WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:14.600 We're gonna call the meeting to order at 5 31 p.m. on Monday October 14th 2024 and 00:00:14.600 --> 00:00:21.700 if you will stand with me for the pledge of allegiance. We don't have a flag on the screen but we're 00:00:21.700 --> 00:00:27.000 gonna act like there is okay. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:35.500 and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:42.000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag. Honor the Texas flag. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:50.000 I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag. One state under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:01:05.000 Thank you guys. All right we will have Mr. Lee you signed up to speak would you like to come and to the podium? 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:29.000 Hey Mr. Lee go ahead. Well I just want to say that I'm not very happy. I'm not very happy about the decisions this board is making. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:41.000 As far as like the one house in 1900, I'm sorry that house has no historical value. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:47.000 I don't know why you're passing me making this a historical house when it's not but at the same time 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:52.000 you have a ranch with a house that's over 100 years old that's over on a local street 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.000 and then you're gonna say oh that's not historical and it's not worth saving and tearing it down 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:08.000 and giving some rich developers to put up I don't know like a 600 apartment house that's going to destroy the aesthetics of the neighborhood. 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:13.000 I find it really disgusting and I'm sorry I believe every single one of you should be impeached. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:18.000 I really do because you're not really good for many of the historians of the nature of the community. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.000 It is very disturbing. I think this is a big racket. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:29.000 What you're doing is shifting burdens from people that really are well to do and don't want to pay their taxes 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:35.000 and you're shifting it over to people of middle class and lower class communities and homeowners 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:41.000 that can barely afford to pay their taxes and rent and I think this thing just needs to be a moratorium 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:48.000 on all the anything that you're doing on this board historical because it doesn't need to be passed on to the taxpayer 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:58.000 and I really do believe we need to amend the charter that any decision on any historical value needs to be put for the voters of this city 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.000 because I think the voters will be the best people to decide what's historical value in their community 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.000 not just a small people group of people that are going to decide what's best for the community 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:13.000 because I can see nobody around here marching around saying this house should be historical and this house should not be historical. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.000 This is you guys making these decisions and you guys shouldn't be making these decisions. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:23.000 This should be the people of this community and that's really all I have to say because I really do think you guys need to be impeached 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.000 and that's all I have to say. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.000 Thank you. 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:37.000 Alright, the next item on our agenda is item HLC 24043. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.000 We're going to consider the approval of the September 9, 2024 minutes. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:47.000 Hopefully you've all had a chance to read those minutes. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 Thank you. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.000 Do we have a motion to approve? 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.000 I'm moving too. 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.000 Thank you. 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.000 Alright, all in favor raise your hands say aye. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.000 Aye. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:00.000 Any opposed? 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.000 Any opposed? 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:06.000 Alright, item HLC 24-045. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:13.000 We're going to hold a discussion, consider approval of the 2025 Historic Landmark Commission meeting calendar. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.000 Hopefully you all had an opportunity to look at that. 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:23.000 It looked like we were good for the second Monday of every month on it. 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:29.000 I think the only one that might have been different was spring break. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:34.000 And I think everything else is the second Monday of every month. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:42.000 So, that's okay, no worries. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:50.000 Anyone have any issues with it, any dates we might need to look at to change? 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.000 No. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.000 Lenny might have another trip. 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.000 I know Lenny's going to have another trip. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:07.000 I think it was, it's the March spring break. 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:15.000 So, it's the first Monday, so it's the second Monday. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.000 I'm good with it, everyone. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:23.000 There's our discussion, we're all good with it. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:41.000 Alright, the next one HLC 24-0005 is we're holding a public meeting and determine whether the presented expenses resulted in a permanent improvement or restoration of a local historic landmark property located at 1900 Westridge Street. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:49.000 This site is located on the north side of Westridge Street just east of Highland Park Road. 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:55.000 Good evening Chair and Commission. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:01.000 As stated, this is for historic tax exemption at 1900 Westridge Street. 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:06.000 It is just on the north side of Westridge Street just east of Highland Park Road. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:13.000 It was recently designated in September of this year. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:20.000 The request is looking at section 10-128, which is that partial tax exemption of designated historic sites. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:30.000 In your backup packet, there was a list of repairs and updates provided, which amounted to $19,969.24. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:43.000 Looking at the request, permits and inspection fees and the engineering compaction layer do not meet that qualifying improvements and/or restoration projects because it does not pertain to that general maintenance of the property. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:52.000 So, removing those costs to the applicant, it comes out to be $19,256.24 that were spent. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:07:06.000 Looking at staff's analysis, so this is different this time around. Usually, we're looking at section 10/128D because people are usually looking to get a new round of tax exemption. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:15.000 But because this property was just designated, we're looking at qualifying expenses two years prior to that destination of the historic site. 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:33.000 So, this is looking at section C. So, staff is recommending a favorable determination that the expense is presented, with the exception of that permit and inspection fee in the engineering compaction layer, resulting in permanent improvement and/or restoration of the landmark property at my standard Westridge Street. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:38.000 I can stay for any questions. We do have the applicants here as well. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Any questions? The only thing, not a question for me, but what I thought interesting that for us to really pay attention to, should we pass this and it go to city council, is that the applicant put in to bring it up to code. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:20.000 And bringing a historic structure up to code is expensive. And so, if there's a question around that, I'm just making that on record for council to know that, yes, it's about repairs and stuff, but anytime you're having to do that, it entails, it does. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:39.000 And that was on the application. So, I think that that's key to point out to. All right, no questions. Do we have a motion to, we can accept, deny, or, what's the third one? I believe it's to continue. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:59.000 Yes. Okay. So, floor is open for. I'll make a motion to accept recommendation. Okay. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, raise your hand, say aye. Aye. Any opposition? No opposition. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:22.000 Nice. Thank you, guys. All right, on to section four, HLC 24-3041, receive a report and hold the discussion and give staff direction on the Historic Landmark Commission request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties. 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:33.000 Do we have any properties? Any additional properties? 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:54.000 Next question, historic property. I did run into, so regarding the Women's Club building, it was on Quaker Town Park property. It was there at the Warts and Jazz Fest, and they had a tenant, and they were selling cookies and baked cookies and things like that. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:06.000 I said, "Hi." I said, "Hey." I'm from the Historic Landmark Committee, and I'm just curious if you guys have responded to our invitation to come talk to us, because we'd love to talk a little bit about your house. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:16.000 And at first, they were, they kind of looked at each other and they called somebody over, and the current president happened to be close by, and she came over, and so she should be reaching out to you shortly. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:30.000 Their request was that they don't check their mail really regularly, so perhaps contacting them via their webpage was something that they were super interested in. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:44.000 I noted that, you know, because the plan's coming up with Quaker Town Park, et cetera, et cetera, and I said, "We're just interested in being good partners and getting your input and talk about, you know, what the future's going to look like, 00:10:44.000 --> 00:11:00.000 and we'd love to hear you and your members do with it." So just as an FYI, make available. If they have a reply back, perhaps maybe another reach out would be warranted, because they certainly are on their radar. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:19.000 I do have a question. On the property of Sherman that sold, and they're talking about donating the house, and it was possibly a great church. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:31.000 Not the church, no. Oh gosh, I particularly remember the name, what they're calling it. Right there off, not Sherman, Locust and— 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.000 It's close to the library, isn't it? 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:38.000 Yes, the old farm there. So I read, and that's why I'm asking if this is true. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.000 Oh, you're talking about Evers Farm. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:54.000 Yes. So I read, because I'm checking, because I want to know if it's true. They were talking about donating the structure and a portion of the land to the parks and rec. 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.000 So that's being proposed as part of the plan development, which is going to council next week. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:08.000 Okay. My question is this. If that happened, would that structure eventually fall under HLC? 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:12.000 If the parks department decided to designate it. If they did. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:18.000 If the plan development passed and then the parks department decided to designate the property. Sorry. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:26.000 Then we can invite them to. Since we're on this topic, that's what I'm saying. Do we need to— 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.000 Invite them for a discussion about it? 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:38.000 Yes. Yes, I would recommend to, we could invite them if it were to, if it does pass, if it passes next week on the 15th. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:43.000 Okay. I like that. Is there a motion before you? 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:50.000 I don't think we can wait for it to, we have to wait to see if it passes, right? 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.000 If it passes, we can extend an invitation. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:57.000 Right, yeah, if it passes, then we can, yeah, so you can get three, if you get three votes, then we can add that. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.000 Would you guys, anyone else be in favor? 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:03.000 It's fine with me. 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.000 Okay. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.000 Yeah. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.000 That works. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:17.000 All right. Any other business to discuss tonight? 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:27.000 So I did see that the matrix was not on there, but, yeah, Commissioner Tree's discussion of the Denton Women's Club. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:34.000 So that is, I was going to state that that is actually on hold because of the Quaker Town Park Master Plan. 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:45.000 And we want to make sure that the history and conversation, everything, the storyline and the narrative are all cohesive with one another. 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:57.000 Obviously, with the Quaker Town Park Plan, if that does come to fruition, there also has to be multiple engagement opportunities, but then also will have to be part of a bond election. 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:02.000 So it's many years down the road. So I'm glad you made that introduction. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:10.000 I had not reached out because that was something I was going to make. So that's probably why they were a little shocked. No, it's okay. No worries. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:15.000 So I wanted to let you all know that that was on hold. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:24.000 And then we, I know it's been a few, it's been about two or three months since we talked about the historic tax exemption. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.000 That's something that I am working on currently. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Unfortunately, just kind of got pushed down my to do list, but that is something that we're going to be bringing back out back next month for certain to have more discussion regarding that. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:49.000 And then those are the only updates for me. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:15:10.000 I did find out more, but because I couldn't really figure out who the property owner was, the property owner would have to sign off on it being designated is the problem. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:14.000 And I don't know who the property owners because I've heard it's in flux. 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:28.000 So, like, Zillow has the property owner, but that's also out of date and that supposedly it's under a corporation. 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:43.000 So I can, I can keep doing digging. I can continue to start to dig on that and see if I can get like an actual address that it's not going to just sit in the mailbox and hopefully someone will respond. 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.000 I was wandering around over there. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.000 You're wondering. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.000 So I wonder around sometimes Cameron. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:55.000 Don't tell me or legal that. 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:59.000 No, we were out at the Enterprise Airport. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.000 Trick or wing. 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.000 Right. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.000 A lot of fun. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:14.000 And I had a long time didn't tonight with me and so we went looking for pig man's bridge. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.000 And Hong Valley. 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.000 You know what I'm talking about. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:28.000 I think we found it. But yeah, that road that passes over that's shut down that goes on the back of that ranch. 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:39.000 We wanted to come from the other side. And we just played eyes on it. I didn't. There was no trespassing involved no fence jumping this time. 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:43.000 Oh, well, sometimes fences need to be jumped, Scott. 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:53.000 But no, I didn't even see any signs of anything that would indicate that like ownership, much less like a mailbox is just blank. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.000 So, yeah. 00:16:55.000 --> 00:17:00.000 So we're so if anyone finds anything. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:05.000 The big cow, please let me know. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:11.000 She wants to know that I don't want to do that, but I'm going to call it dead cow ranch right now. 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:16.000 And I'm going to see what I can find out more about it. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:22.000 Yeah, if you come across that, if you come across a reliable address, Sean, let me know. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:28.000 Okay. Well, there's got to be some improper. Yeah, there's there. Yeah. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.000 All right. Anyone else? Anything? 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.000 I don't have anything. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.000 All right. We're adjourned. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.000 And then I did bring.