WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.540 - Good morning and welcome to the Public Utility Board meeting of October 14th, 2024. 00:00:07.540 --> 00:00:12.000 I'd like to call this meeting to order. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.240 Are there any presentations from members of the public? 00:00:16.240 --> 00:00:17.520 Any no comments online? 00:00:17.520 --> 00:00:18.520 Okay. 00:00:18.520 --> 00:00:20.560 Well, then we'll move on to the consent agenda. 00:00:20.560 --> 00:00:22.400 Mr. Rayner. 00:00:22.400 --> 00:00:28.720 - Mr. Chairman, I ask that we pull item B as in boy. 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:32.240 - Okay. 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:33.240 Any other items? 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:37.800 I know I'm going to pull item F because we'll pull that and go into closed session with 00:00:37.800 --> 00:00:38.800 that item. 00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:43.880 Are there any other items to be pulled? 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.560 - Which items have been? 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:52.440 - B and F as in Frank and Boyd. 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:53.440 - I have a question about item A. 00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:54.440 - Item A? 00:00:54.440 --> 00:00:55.440 Okay. 00:00:55.440 --> 00:01:03.640 If there are no other requests for consideration, I will move. 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.260 We approve C, D, E, and G. 00:01:06.260 --> 00:01:07.260 - Second. 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:10.360 - We have a motion and a second. 00:01:10.360 --> 00:01:11.800 All those in favor, please say aye. 00:01:11.800 --> 00:01:12.800 - Aye. 00:01:12.800 --> 00:01:13.800 - Any opposed? 00:01:13.800 --> 00:01:14.800 Signed the same. 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:15.800 All right. 00:01:15.800 --> 00:01:23.440 Now, I'm going to go ahead and walk out for item B and let Mr. Taylor. 00:01:23.440 --> 00:01:25.920 - Oh, we did A, I'm sorry. 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:26.920 Yes. 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:27.920 Okay. 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:28.920 Hey, item A. 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:34.000 - Good morning, PB, Mark Zimmer, DME Engineering. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.000 - Morning. 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.000 - Morning. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.000 - Good morning. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:45.600 I was wondering if you could just give us a little background about this insulated substation. 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:46.800 - Sure. 00:01:46.800 --> 00:01:49.560 The past history on the project, is that what you're referring to? 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:50.560 - I'm sorry? 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.200 - The past history of the project and why we're doing it? 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.200 - Sure. 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:55.200 Yeah. 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.680 There's an existing Hickory substation around that location now that was built in the '60s. 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:00.640 It's reached its end of life. 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:07.900 And so, we did public open houses for comments from the public on where to put a new substation. 00:02:07.900 --> 00:02:12.320 We brought all that feedback back to city council many years ago and they directed us 00:02:12.320 --> 00:02:15.560 to purchase the site we're on now for the new site. 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:19.000 The site is much smaller than a typical substation site. 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:25.040 And so, council directed us to use gas insulated substation technology so we can fit all the 00:02:25.040 --> 00:02:26.560 equipment on the site. 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:32.000 And so, now we are a couple of months away from energizing that project and it's almost 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.000 done. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.000 - Thank you. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:35.000 - Yes, sir. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.880 - Yeah, this is the one that's got the big faux building, it looks like a building now. 00:02:38.880 --> 00:02:39.880 - Okay. 00:02:39.880 --> 00:02:40.880 - Oh, okay. 00:02:40.880 --> 00:02:43.880 I was gonna ask the address. 00:02:43.880 --> 00:02:51.000 - As you're bumping down Bonnie Bray, you can view it. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.600 - So, this is an additional expense from the original plan for the project? 00:02:55.600 --> 00:02:56.600 - Yes, sir. 00:02:56.600 --> 00:03:01.260 One of the items in there is for security design which was not in the scope of the contract, 00:03:01.260 --> 00:03:03.600 so that's the reason for that part of the change order. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:08.760 Another one is for redesign of some underground utilities due to not having a straight right 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:09.760 away. 00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:10.760 - Thank you. 00:03:10.760 --> 00:03:11.760 - Yes, sir. 00:03:11.760 --> 00:03:13.960 - I move to approve item A. 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.040 - We have a motion to approve. 00:03:16.040 --> 00:03:17.040 - Second. 00:03:17.040 --> 00:03:20.780 - We have a second from Mr. Newquist. 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:22.280 All those in favor, please say aye. 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:23.280 - Aye. 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:24.280 - Any opposed, sign the same. 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:25.280 - Thank you. 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:38.840 - Okay, I'm gonna walk out of the room for item B that has been pulled. 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:39.840 - Good morning. 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:40.840 - Good morning. 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:46.240 - We have an adoption of an ordinance at City of Denton to authorize the city manager to 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.640 execute a contract with Jago Public Company for the Morse Street Reconstruction Improvements 00:03:50.640 --> 00:03:55.280 Project for a total of $2,518,025.48. 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:02.720 - So, I may ask, what is the timeframe? 00:04:02.720 --> 00:04:08.400 Was that put in for as to your perception of how long it's gonna take to do something 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.640 like what you're asking us to have taken care of? 00:04:12.640 --> 00:04:15.880 - Aaron Skinner, Senior Project Manager, Capital Projects. 00:04:15.880 --> 00:04:20.600 I believe it is a 300-day contract, but I would have to go look at the contract itself. 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:21.600 - You said 300 days? 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:22.600 - Yes, sir. 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:23.600 - Great. 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:30.740 And also, is this a, this particular reconstruction improvement, is this a total turnkey or is 00:04:30.740 --> 00:04:33.400 there potential additional requests? 00:04:33.400 --> 00:04:36.920 Is this going in stages or is this just gonna be one item and it'll be finished? 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:41.320 - It should be one item all together with the street, sidewalk, and water utilities. 00:04:41.320 --> 00:04:42.600 - Street, sidewalk, and? 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:43.600 - Water utilities. 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:44.760 - Within the 300 days? 00:04:44.760 --> 00:04:45.760 - Yes, sir. 00:04:45.760 --> 00:04:48.400 - And do you know when that might start? 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:51.520 - It just depends on the contract, when we should notice proceed, when it gets approved 00:04:51.520 --> 00:04:54.160 by council, but I would expect within the next few months. 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:55.160 - Great. 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:56.160 Thank you for your time. 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.440 Thank you, sir. 00:04:58.440 --> 00:05:03.440 I'll make a motion that we approve B as written. 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:05.200 - Thank you. 00:05:05.200 --> 00:05:07.560 - Mr. Ryback seconds. 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:08.560 All in favor? 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.560 - Aye. 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:10.560 - Aye. 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.200 - All right, now we will let our chair return. 00:05:14.200 --> 00:05:19.440 - We'll let you know. 00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:22.640 - We're good? 00:05:22.640 --> 00:05:24.200 - Yep. 00:05:24.200 --> 00:05:25.760 - Okay. 00:05:25.760 --> 00:05:33.200 Move on to, I guess we're going to item F at this point. 00:05:33.200 --> 00:05:38.440 Okay, we're going to, you want to go ahead and call it now, is that right? 00:05:38.440 --> 00:05:39.440 All right. 00:05:39.440 --> 00:05:42.200 We're going to go into closed session. 00:05:42.200 --> 00:05:49.240 Public utility board will now at 9.06 AM convene in closed meeting to deliberate the closed 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:56.400 meeting item set forth on the agenda, which include the following, PUB 24-218, deliberations 00:05:56.400 --> 00:06:00.380 regarding certain public power utilities, competitive matters under Texas government 00:06:00.380 --> 00:06:12.080 code section 551.086, consultation with attorneys under Texas government code section 551.071. 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:15.800 Okay. 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:21.640 The public utility board has now at 9.29 AM reconvened from the closed session and no 00:06:21.640 --> 00:06:24.160 official action was taken. 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:31.760 - Order the court. 00:06:31.760 --> 00:06:35.440 All right. 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:39.160 Yeah, okay. 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:44.240 And now would anybody like to make a motion on item F? 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:48.480 - Move approval of item F from the consent agenda. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.000 - Move a motion, do we have a second? 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.000 - Second. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.760 - We have a second from Mr. Plotk. 00:06:56.760 --> 00:06:57.760 Any further discussion? 00:06:57.760 --> 00:07:02.120 Seeing as there is none, all those in favor, please say aye. 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:03.120 - Aye. 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.560 - Any opposed, sign the same. 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.560 Passes unanimously. 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.640 Okay, now we'll move on to items for individual consideration. 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:20.640 First item is A, consider approval of the September 23rd, 2024 meeting minutes. 00:07:20.640 --> 00:07:25.360 Do we have a motion, do we have a second? 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:26.360 - Second. 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.720 - All right, we have a motion or a second. 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.280 All those in favor, please say aye. 00:07:30.280 --> 00:07:31.280 - Aye. 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:34.440 - All right, we'll move on, that passes unanimously. 00:07:34.440 --> 00:07:39.440 Item B, PUB 24-220. 00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:55.320 We have a little presentation here. 00:07:55.320 --> 00:08:06.840 All right. 00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:08.600 - Good morning, members of PUB. 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:19.220 This is Pepentavon, ADF Finance, and I'm here to present transmission cost of service. 00:08:19.220 --> 00:08:24.600 So these costs represent the cost that the City of Denton pays for using other providers' 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.880 transmission lines or asset or fixed asset of things of that nature. 00:08:28.880 --> 00:08:35.160 So under our current policy, anything that's over 50,000 needs to go to PUB and City Council 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:37.040 for approvals. 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:42.320 And these costs are calculated using the 4CP, which is basically the peak demand times 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.180 that's kind of managed and kind of done through ERCOT and the PUCT. 00:08:47.180 --> 00:08:52.840 So I think it uses June, July, August, and September as the peak demand timeframes. 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:57.980 And these providers here are around the same providers every year that we pay. 00:08:57.980 --> 00:08:59.640 And this is on the net billing. 00:08:59.640 --> 00:09:07.440 So this slide here is just to show and present all the providers that we pay that are under 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.080 50,000. 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.000 Staff has the authority to make those payments under our current policy. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.400 So that's the left section of the PowerPoint. 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:19.240 And the right is the same information on the first slide. 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:25.860 That's just the total of the providers that we pay that's over 50,000. 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:26.860 And that is it. 00:09:26.860 --> 00:09:31.640 Does anybody have any questions? 00:09:31.640 --> 00:09:33.140 Mr. Wrabeck has a question. 00:09:33.140 --> 00:09:34.360 Just quickly. 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:41.720 So these transmission costs that we pay in order to have the availability of power delivery, 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:49.720 what percentage of DME's overall cost structure do they represent annually? 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:51.600 Tony will handle that one. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.600 Okay. 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.120 Yeah, so it's about 15%. 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.640 I mean, you're talking about about $30 million of expenses that we have and roughly $400 00:10:01.640 --> 00:10:04.760 million budget, so operating budget. 00:10:04.760 --> 00:10:05.760 Thank you. 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:06.760 Yes, sir. 00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:07.760 Mr. Taylor. 00:10:07.760 --> 00:10:18.680 And these are netted out against Denton Municipal Electric's own credits for transmission cost 00:10:18.680 --> 00:10:20.680 of service, right? 00:10:20.680 --> 00:10:21.680 Correct. 00:10:21.680 --> 00:10:22.680 Yes. 00:10:22.680 --> 00:10:24.480 And what is the approval for this coming FY? 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.480 Correct. 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:26.480 Yes. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.720 This come, well, FY24-25 budget year is correct. 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:30.720 Right. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:32.520 And there will, does ERCOT do one adjustment in the year? 00:10:32.520 --> 00:10:34.720 Is it going to be one more time where we get an adjustment? 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.280 Is that standard? 00:10:36.280 --> 00:10:41.360 So the 4CP is on those June, July, August, and September. 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.000 And normally those rates and those, or that usage actually won't come out till the end 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:47.000 of this. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.920 Well, it just came out in December-ish. 00:10:49.920 --> 00:10:55.480 So then, or this coming up December, but then we'll need to look at the calculation again 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.480 just to see if there's any variance. 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:02.120 So there's like a timing lag on the calculation itself. 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.400 So there probably is going to be a minor adjustment January, February. 00:11:05.400 --> 00:11:06.400 Yes. 00:11:06.400 --> 00:11:07.400 Potentially, yes. 00:11:07.400 --> 00:11:10.960 I move approval of the transmission cost of service contract. 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.720 Was there any more comments? 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:15.080 No, not anymore. 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:21.960 And we have a motion to approve item B. We have a motion. 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:22.960 We did. 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:24.960 I said we have a motion to approve item B. You waited for a second. 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:25.960 I am. 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:26.960 Well, you didn't say it. 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:27.960 But I'll say it. 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:28.960 Okay. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:29.960 You'd like to second it. 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:30.960 I didn't know I had to ask you, Rob. 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:31.960 Okay. 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:36.280 We have a motion and a second to approve item B. All those in favor, please say aye. 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:37.280 Aye. 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:38.280 Aye. 00:11:38.280 --> 00:11:39.280 Any opposed? 00:11:39.280 --> 00:11:40.280 Sign the same. 00:11:40.280 --> 00:11:41.280 There are none. 00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:42.280 Passes unanimously. 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:43.280 Okay. 00:11:43.280 --> 00:11:45.360 We move to item 24-170. 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:50.080 We have a request to speak on this agenda item. 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:54.680 Would this person like to come forward or would you just like your comments read? 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:55.680 Yes. 00:11:55.680 --> 00:11:56.680 My name is Charles Lee. 00:11:56.680 --> 00:12:02.320 If you'll go to the microphone so we can get you and state your name and your address, 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:03.320 if you will. 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:04.320 Yes. 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:05.320 My name is Charles Lee. 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.360 I live on Elmwood, North Elmwood. 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:10.160 I am a DME customer. 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:15.160 I've been a DME customer for the past three years, and for the past three years, my energy 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:19.680 and water consumption has only -- I've only used less water, but my bill continues to 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:20.680 go up. 00:12:20.680 --> 00:12:26.400 And I'm in opposed to this item because, for one thing, I voted against the bond, first 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:27.400 of all. 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:28.400 I voted against this bond. 00:12:28.400 --> 00:12:33.720 But not only that, but I find it objectionable that you're going to want to spend the bond 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:37.600 money before you even sold the bond and got the money in the first place. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.920 Just like you're getting a credit card and you're trying to max the credit card out and 00:12:40.920 --> 00:12:43.240 you haven't even gotten the place or plastic in the mail yet. 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.960 And I find that absolutely ridiculous. 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.560 And that's all I want to say. 00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:54.320 And I just want to say, just because these bonds pass at election time, that's just one 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:55.320 election. 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.920 One election means nothing to me. 00:12:57.920 --> 00:12:58.920 And I don't understand. 00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:04.120 You guys just keep spending money, and we are in unprecedented times right now. 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:08.720 Just because you've been operating this way for 50 years doesn't mean that these bonds 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:12.600 are going to continue to get the money you think you're going to get when you sell them. 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:16.600 So we could spend this money, and then what happens if they don't sell and get the price 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.240 that we think at auction? 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.840 Are we still going to be stuck with the money? 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:21.840 No. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.520 I think this needs to be voted down until we get the money and then we talk about spending 00:13:25.520 --> 00:13:26.520 the money. 00:13:26.520 --> 00:13:27.520 And that's all I have to say. 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:30.840 >> Thank you, Mr. Lee. 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.880 All right. 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:38.120 We have a presentation. 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.120 Thank you. 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:52.560 >> I'll try to get this where you all can hear me and I can see my presentation at the 00:13:52.560 --> 00:13:53.560 same time. 00:13:53.560 --> 00:13:54.560 Good morning. 00:13:54.560 --> 00:13:55.560 Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager. 00:13:55.560 --> 00:13:56.560 >> Good morning. 00:13:56.560 --> 00:13:59.820 >> I have a brief presentation regarding the reimbursement ordinance. 00:13:59.820 --> 00:14:03.460 It is the first month of the fiscal year, so this is a normal practice, and we do intend 00:14:03.460 --> 00:14:07.200 to sell bonds later on this fiscal year. 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.080 It is required by the federal government that we show our intent to reimburse ourselves 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.820 later with bond proceeds later in the year. 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:23.280 This is an umbrella of all of our debt-funded capital improvement projects for this reimbursement 00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:24.280 ordinance. 00:14:24.280 --> 00:14:28.400 All the projects under that were on the budget that you just approved in September, and those 00:14:28.400 --> 00:14:33.600 were discussed over the summer periods with your budget teams and your other departments 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.480 throughout that process. 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.240 We will sell the bonds within 12 months. 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.320 We'll actually sell them before the fiscal year end, and this reimbursement is allowed 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:42.520 by our debt policy. 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:47.960 An additional note we made this year is that although we do the reimbursement policy, it 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:51.600 does not obligate us to actually sell all the bonds. 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:56.920 As we go through the project list through the bond process, we will usually reduce the 00:14:56.920 --> 00:15:02.160 amount of dollars, depending on projects, when the departments have allotted more time 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:06.480 where they are in their project list and in their projects and construction phases when 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.600 we get to the notice of intent and the actual bond sale. 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:13.720 So the total dollars here you will see today are the budgeted items. 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.240 The detailed project list is the last four or five pages of your actual exhibit. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.840 If I don't have them on the screen today, I just have the summaries per utility fund. 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:33.120 So solid waste is at $11.1 million, water is $58.8, wastewater $71.6, electric $74.9, 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:41.640 with a total of all your utilities at $216,673,313, which is your budgeted amount for this fiscal 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:43.640 year. 00:15:43.640 --> 00:15:47.560 Our next steps will come back in April with a notice of intent for just the Certificates 00:15:47.560 --> 00:15:48.560 of Obligation. 00:15:48.560 --> 00:15:53.780 We'll move forward in May for your bond parameters ordinance, which will be the final number 00:15:53.780 --> 00:15:55.360 that will be sold. 00:15:55.360 --> 00:16:03.040 And then we will sell in June and have proceeds to the City in late July. 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:04.040 Any questions, please? 00:16:04.040 --> 00:16:05.040 Yes, sir. 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:11.760 I have a question, and maybe in regards to Mr. Lee's concern. 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:19.360 So this is an authorization for the departments to move forward with their projects, planning 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:24.440 and preparation, but the bonds themselves will not be sold until later in the year based 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.680 on more final numbers of actual project cost? 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:28.680 Correct. 00:16:28.680 --> 00:16:33.440 This is an umbrella giving us authority to make those actions if we deem them necessary, 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.840 and the project is in a place where we have the cash to do so. 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.240 So if we didn't do this bond ordinance and someone wanted to spend money, we would have 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.600 to come to you with every project and every dollar. 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:48.000 So instead we do the entire budget, and then it's reviewed by the department heads and 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.640 the budget team if they actually have the cash on hand to do that now. 00:16:51.640 --> 00:16:55.800 Okay, so if they don't have the cash on hand to do it now, then they'll have to wait until 00:16:55.800 --> 00:17:00.520 the bonds are sold and executed and the money transferred to that. 00:17:00.520 --> 00:17:04.560 So I hope that assists Mr. Lee's concerns. 00:17:04.560 --> 00:17:09.720 I think I understand the general approach, and thank you for your answers. 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:18.600 It doesn't appear to be any more questions, so we'll entertain a motion for item B. 00:17:18.600 --> 00:17:19.600 So moved. 00:17:19.600 --> 00:17:21.520 We have a motion to approve. 00:17:21.520 --> 00:17:23.560 Would anyone like to second that? 00:17:23.560 --> 00:17:25.560 Yes, I would. 00:17:25.560 --> 00:17:26.900 We have a motion to second. 00:17:26.900 --> 00:17:27.900 Thank you, gentlemen. 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:30.440 All those in favor, please say aye. 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:31.440 Aye. 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.280 Any opposed, sign the same. 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:34.280 Passes unanimously. 00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:52.480 We'll go on to item D. It's PUB 24-193. 00:17:52.480 --> 00:18:04.520 Good morning, PUB members. 00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:05.640 My name is Giovanni Pinheiro. 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.080 I'm project manager, Capital Projects. 00:18:09.080 --> 00:18:16.640 I'm here to present the Dentor Solid Weight Flit Shop for the construction phase. 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.880 Quick project overview. 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:27.320 It would be a single story building, six-vehicle base with part storage. 00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:36.160 The city of Denton basically do maintenance and repairs of these heavy equipment by contractor, 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.640 which require its downtime productivity. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:47.760 So by doing this building, the city of Denton Landfill can do the maintenance and repairs 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:52.440 on site. 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.960 Question on the statement that you just made. 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:00.920 Can you give me an idea of how much money you're wasting, how much time you're wasting 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:02.440 by using outside contractors? 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:09.800 No, I don't have that information, sir, with me. 00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:10.800 Okay. 00:19:10.800 --> 00:19:11.800 Yes. 00:19:11.800 --> 00:19:12.800 Project schedule. 00:19:12.800 --> 00:19:16.280 This month, we want to award the contractor. 00:19:16.280 --> 00:19:21.720 By November, we will have the noted to proceed, the pre-construction meeting. 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.360 By December 2024, we plan to start construction. 00:19:25.360 --> 00:19:29.240 By November 2025, the substantial completion. 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:36.480 By December 2025, would be the final completion. 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:48.880 Our staff recommend that to award this contract for a little more of $9.5 million. 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.760 Any question? 00:19:51.760 --> 00:19:57.680 So do we have any idea how much time we're wasting and how much money we're expending 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.680 on these services as opposed to doing it ourselves? 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:09.740 No, I don't have that information, sir. 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:12.360 Mr. Newquist. 00:20:12.360 --> 00:20:16.680 Or perhaps, what percentage of our fleet are we servicing ourselves now and where might 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:27.520 we go by doing this? 00:20:27.520 --> 00:20:28.520 Good morning, board members. 00:20:28.520 --> 00:20:30.600 Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Project. 00:20:30.600 --> 00:20:35.480 Currently, they are doing things in the field or out there at the solid waste facility. 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.640 And in the rare instance for PM maintenance, they're bringing it to our service center 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:39.640 shop. 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:43.520 Again, these are large vehicles that that service center shop isn't necessarily built 00:20:43.520 --> 00:20:47.240 for these trash trucks, especially with the amount of trucks that we have. 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.360 And so part of the reason for building this was to be able to put it out there on site 00:20:51.360 --> 00:20:54.800 instead of taking it downtown to the Mingo location to be able to do. 00:20:54.800 --> 00:21:00.840 But we can we can work with solid waste to provide a response for exactly what that outside 00:21:00.840 --> 00:21:04.640 contract was that we're utilizing in that projected downtime. 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.360 We just don't have those numbers today. 00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:09.560 Do you have a timeline on construction? 00:21:09.560 --> 00:21:10.820 Yes, sir. 00:21:10.820 --> 00:21:14.060 So let me go back. 00:21:14.060 --> 00:21:19.000 So we are anticipating that notice to proceed in December and then it's roughly a one year 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.000 time frame. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.800 So we're hoping December of 25 have that facility operational. 00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:23.800 Thank you. 00:21:23.800 --> 00:21:24.800 Thank you. 00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:25.800 That went by so quick. 00:21:25.800 --> 00:21:26.800 No, you're good. 00:21:26.800 --> 00:21:27.800 Thank you. 00:21:27.800 --> 00:21:33.440 Any idea of jobs added or employees added by bringing this in? 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.680 I'm not sure from facilities we could get with Tom Grammer. 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:43.860 We can provide that response to if there can be adding more fleet techs. 00:21:43.860 --> 00:21:48.620 Is this a time sensitive? 00:21:48.620 --> 00:21:49.620 Everything is. 00:21:49.620 --> 00:21:52.060 But I'd like to have those numbers. 00:21:52.060 --> 00:21:56.960 And so my question is, if I should ask for those numbers for the next meeting, could 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:57.960 that be done? 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.840 First of all, and second of all, does that jeopardize your timetables of what you're 00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:04.200 wanting to do? 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:05.200 I don't believe so. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.040 I think we could absolutely have those numbers to you by the next meeting. 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:10.440 You know what numbers we're talking about? 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:11.440 Yes, sir. 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.960 The downtime percentage and the amount of the contracts is what I heard that we're using 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.720 for an employee in the employee account. 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.820 Yeah, I think we can absolutely get that information to have. 00:22:21.820 --> 00:22:25.520 Before we go further, but I don't mean to be malicious. 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:31.520 I just, if that doesn't, if that doesn't not, well, I guess I really don't care. 00:22:31.520 --> 00:22:34.320 I want those numbers before we vote anyway. 00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:35.840 Okay. 00:22:35.840 --> 00:22:38.480 And you think we can get it within the next meeting? 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.840 Yes, I absolutely think that we could get it. 00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:45.920 Again, bumping that back is going to hurt our time frame just a little bit. 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.800 Again, we've got long lead materials, especially HVAC parts and things that are, that we want 00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:54.520 to get ordered as soon as possible. 00:22:54.520 --> 00:22:59.600 But again, I think within probably the week we could, we could have information to you. 00:22:59.600 --> 00:23:02.600 Thank you. 00:23:02.600 --> 00:23:08.480 Just as a comment, philosophically, I much prefer the city taking these roles on, you 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:15.800 know, contractors make layers on top of, of the charges and having a facility in which 00:23:15.800 --> 00:23:21.640 to repair our vehicles without having to drive them 20 or 30 minutes each way or potentially 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:22.640 tow them. 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:23.640 They're not drivable. 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.400 You know, this just makes a lot of sense. 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:32.240 Having those details though of, of, you know, the total benefit would, would be helpful. 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.320 But in general, I think this is, this is the kind of stuff I prefer to see when we have 00:23:35.320 --> 00:23:40.520 200 heavy vehicles dedicated for refuse service. 00:23:40.520 --> 00:23:41.520 Let's service them in house. 00:23:41.520 --> 00:23:46.200 Let's not have, you know, I don't know, half a million or a million dollar contract with 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:47.440 the third party. 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:48.840 Let's keep that expertise here. 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:51.280 Let's keep the travel time short. 00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:53.840 Let's know our own equipment and maintain it well. 00:23:53.840 --> 00:23:58.520 So in general, like the philosophy of this, I just, and we can provide, I believe we're 00:23:58.520 --> 00:24:03.720 doing the majority of the maintenance work through some fleet technicians that go out 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.820 and visit solid waste and at our mingo service center. 00:24:07.820 --> 00:24:12.120 But if, if you guys would like additional details for, I know tires and some other things 00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:16.600 that, that we outsource, Mr. Chair, important order. 00:24:16.600 --> 00:24:17.600 Yes. 00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:24.440 Would it be best to, instead of, instead of voting against this, but to table this D until 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:31.360 the next meeting, which would then keep the thread of cooperation and what we want intact 00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:35.080 so we don't have to create any more delay in time? 00:24:35.080 --> 00:24:39.760 I, you had a comment. 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:46.800 I recognize that and I, I think there's probably a consensus out here to do so, I think. 00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:53.480 And additional, additional questions on this may, we need to feed them now so they can 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.840 come back with answers, I believe, too, as well. 00:24:56.840 --> 00:24:57.840 Certainly. 00:24:57.840 --> 00:25:01.320 When the appropriate time, I'd like to make a motion then after we think we've had all 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:03.200 the questions that you believe is necessary. 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:04.200 Okay. 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.200 All right. 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:06.200 Thank you. 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:07.200 You had something else? 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.200 I did. 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:17.000 Just going back to the same question of what's the cost, what are the delay issues in using 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:24.520 outside sources, you've also gone with a commercial, I mean, construction manager at risk proposal. 00:25:24.520 --> 00:25:25.880 This is a CSP. 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:27.080 This was not a C-MAR. 00:25:27.080 --> 00:25:32.120 It's got a C-MAR backup, C-MAR cost proposal. 00:25:32.120 --> 00:25:33.120 Sorry. 00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:35.360 It should have been competitive sealed proposal. 00:25:35.360 --> 00:25:36.360 Okay. 00:25:36.360 --> 00:25:40.960 But you did rate them at the same way you might a C-MAR, correct? 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.960 Correct. 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:42.960 Yes. 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:43.960 It's still a best value selection. 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:54.360 So you're, of the four bidders, you're spending $900,000 and some change more on this bidder 00:25:54.360 --> 00:25:59.680 because of the rating through this system. 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:10.320 And I know that Solid Waste has done some bids out there where they've pre-qualified. 00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:13.320 That way you go with low bidder in that case if you go with pre-qualification. 00:26:13.320 --> 00:26:16.240 But in this case you didn't. 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.800 I'm concerned as to why that is. 00:26:18.800 --> 00:26:20.720 I'm curious as to why that is. 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:21.720 Yeah. 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:29.640 So we, as a capital improvement project department, we had made a decision to get away from just 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.420 strictly the low bid delivery. 00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:37.160 So competitive sealed proposal allows us to evaluate qualifications, project team, experience, 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.720 building similar facilities. 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:44.540 The low bidder, if you look through their application, had built like quick trips and 00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:49.820 retail restaurants and nothing that was similar to any kind of fleet facility. 00:26:49.820 --> 00:26:54.080 So that's why in some of their qualifications and experience they did not receive as high 00:26:54.080 --> 00:27:01.760 of points as compared to Muckaroy and Falls who was selected that has fleet shop experience. 00:27:01.760 --> 00:27:06.280 And so again, looking at if we were just to go to the low bid option, we could potentially 00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:09.840 get a bidder who had no experience building any kind of facility. 00:27:09.840 --> 00:27:12.960 Well, you could solve that problem by pre-qualifying as well. 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:13.960 Correct. 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:19.140 So again, if we do the pre-qualification process, it's simply just the two-part piece of having 00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:23.040 to do a request for qualifications and then go to pricing. 00:27:23.040 --> 00:27:25.040 This allows us to do it in one step. 00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:30.240 So we're essentially doing both pieces in one step through a CSP as opposed to going 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.960 through a qualifications part and then doing a separate solicitation to. 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.360 For $900,000, it might be worth it, you never know. 00:27:37.360 --> 00:27:38.360 It could be. 00:27:38.360 --> 00:27:39.360 Yeah, absolutely. 00:27:39.360 --> 00:27:43.200 But if we went through the pre-qualification process, that first firm wouldn't have been 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:44.440 on the list. 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.760 And so again, we likely would have ended up in the same scenario and this way we saved 00:27:48.760 --> 00:27:49.760 time. 00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:50.760 Yeah. 00:27:50.760 --> 00:27:51.760 You might have got more competition too if you've gone through pre-qualification. 00:27:51.760 --> 00:27:55.200 Yeah, and again, it is open to all bidders. 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.400 We send it out through our NIGP code. 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:03.720 And so the same bidders had the opportunity to bid on this that a pre-qual list would. 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.720 Just a follow-up question with that. 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:11.480 Did you read my opinion for the last meeting, which I was unable to attend? 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:12.480 Your email? 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.480 Yes. 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:14.480 I did get forwarded your email, sir. 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:15.480 Good. 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.480 Okay. 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.480 All right. 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.400 That's it. 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.960 Will there be any cross-departmental synergies? 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.600 Currently we're using the Mingo facility to handle this in-house. 00:28:24.600 --> 00:28:28.000 Will this only be for solid waste or will we get the benefit of other departments being 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.560 able to utilize this facility? 00:28:29.560 --> 00:28:30.560 Yeah. 00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:33.760 I would fully anticipate that it's going to be used for whatever. 00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:35.240 So again, they have six bays. 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:39.040 If not, it's absolutely going to free up space at the Mingo facility. 00:28:39.040 --> 00:28:45.160 But having a fleet shop out there on that side of town with the access to do large equipment, 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.880 so they're going to be able to service their large dozers, excavators, everything out there 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:54.840 on site instead of taking a mobile unit to the landfill to be able to do that. 00:28:54.840 --> 00:28:59.800 So if we're looking at potential benefits to other departments, can we get an estimated 00:28:59.800 --> 00:29:02.400 impact financially of what those benefits could be? 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.560 I know it would be estimated, not exact. 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:05.560 Yeah. 00:29:05.560 --> 00:29:08.480 I can definitely make that ask to Mr. Tom Grammer. 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:10.600 Thank you. 00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:11.960 Okay. 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:16.320 That's probably enough for you. 00:29:16.320 --> 00:29:17.320 Thank you both. 00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:25.580 Mr. Chairman, then if I may, I move that we table D until our next meeting, at which time 00:29:25.580 --> 00:29:31.040 you will provide all of the information that we've discussed and there's a litany of things 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:32.040 as you know. 00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:33.040 Yes, sir. 00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:38.040 Mr. Chairman, your request or concern, do you want that to be included in the information 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:39.040 for the next meeting? 00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:41.640 I'd love to hear response to that. 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.880 So it's going to be a full agenda for you, but that's what we want. 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:45.880 Sounds good. 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:46.880 We will be back. 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:47.880 All right. 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:48.880 Thank you. 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:49.880 We'll need a second, sir. 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:50.880 Yes. 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:51.880 We have a motion. 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:52.880 Do we have a second? 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:53.880 We do for Mr. Ryback. 00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.160 All those in favor to table this item, signify by saying aye. 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:01.160 Aye. 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:02.160 Aye. 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.160 Any opposed? 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:04.400 There appears to be none. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:05.400 Okay. 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:06.400 Thank you, gentlemen. 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.400 Okay. 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:15.360 That was item D. We're moving on to item E, PUB 24-215. 00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:36.480 Good morning, I'm Katherine Koch, I'm a project manager at Water Utilities and I am here to 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:42.000 present to you for your consideration a design services contract for the Ray Roberts Water 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.120 Treatment Plant expansion project. 00:30:44.120 --> 00:30:47.160 It's a mouthful. 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.880 A little history on the plant, the Ray Roberts Water Treatment Plant was placed into service 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:51.880 in 2002. 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.040 It has a treatment capacity of 20 million gallons. 00:30:56.040 --> 00:31:01.520 In the 2021 master plan, they identified the need to expand the facility due to our growing 00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:03.800 water demands in the city. 00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:10.880 In this project, we plan on adding an additional 20 MGD of treatment capacity at the plant. 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:17.000 A couple of our major project components, we have two pilot tests that we will be required 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:23.640 to do, one for the inclined plate settlers for the sedimentation basins and then for 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.240 the low pressure membrane units. 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:31.280 They're both considered innovative technologies through TCEQ, so we will have a pilot study 00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:37.040 for both of them that our design engineer will be assisting us with. 00:31:37.040 --> 00:31:41.280 A special component of this project that has to do with those low pressure membrane units 00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:43.200 is the building that will house them. 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:50.080 We are going to build out to a capacity of 50 MGD, but only constructing the 20 MGD right 00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:51.080 now. 00:31:51.080 --> 00:31:56.240 So we'll be able to plug and play the extra 10 MGD at a time for an additional 30 in the 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.360 future when we expand. 00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:04.160 And then in addition to that, we're just constructing all the ancillary treatment equipment at the 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:12.560 plant to essentially have an entire new 20 MGD plant in addition to the existing 20 MGD. 00:32:12.560 --> 00:32:17.360 Some special project components, we plan to use a collaborative delivery approach, so 00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:19.400 a CMAR on this. 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:24.720 We have a tight schedule for when we need this extra capacity online. 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:33.200 So using a CMAR will help us get a higher quality product and a better timeline by utilizing 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.480 schedule coordination, cost modeling, value engineering. 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.040 We just believe this is the correct approach. 00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:45.360 We are fully funding this project with the Texas Water Development Board SWIFT loan, 00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:49.140 the State Water Implementation Fund of Texas. 00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:54.400 We applied for, were approved, and will soon be closing on our first year of funding for 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.400 that. 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.680 The total is $195 million. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:05.400 We used our pre-qualified engineer list of wastewater facility engineers, and through 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.120 our evaluation process, we chose to use Fries and Nichols. 00:33:10.120 --> 00:33:15.680 Their total project or contract amount is $21 million. 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.680 Any questions? 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:34.720 >> I was curious why the testing has to be done on the membrane system for TCEQ. 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:40.800 It would seem like if it's a proven technology, is testing required because each individual 00:33:40.800 --> 00:33:45.320 installation must be tested or because it's a new technology and they want to know if 00:33:45.320 --> 00:33:46.320 it will work? 00:33:46.320 --> 00:33:48.040 >> It's not a new technology. 00:33:48.040 --> 00:33:49.440 It's considered innovative. 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:50.800 It's about 20 years old. 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:54.240 We are certainly not the first people to be doing this. 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.120 I'm not sure why they consider it innovative, but we will have at least two membrane samples 00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:04.680 on site, and we will actively be testing the water quality for what they're filtering and 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.160 reporting that to TCEQ. 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:13.320 And the inclined plate settlers, they just deviate from the traditional treatment processes. 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:18.300 They have about half the footprint because they're increasing the surface area that the 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:20.840 sedimentation is settling on. 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:26.360 >> So will these membrane systems be fully built or will small demonstration systems 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.160 be built to be tested, or how is that proceeding? 00:34:29.160 --> 00:34:34.200 >> They're small little units that we roll on and hook up and treat the water. 00:34:34.200 --> 00:34:35.200 >> Okay. 00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:36.200 I got you. 00:34:36.200 --> 00:34:37.200 All right. 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:38.200 Thank you. 00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:39.200 >> You're welcome. 00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:47.440 >> So this $21 million is for the full design for the 195-ish million-dollar project? 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.440 >> Yes. 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:49.440 Yes, sir. 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.600 >> And so that includes, I know when this came forward in the summer, discussion on 00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:58.600 upgrading the pumping controls and pumps to be more flexible and energy efficient. 00:34:58.600 --> 00:34:59.600 That's all in this? 00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:00.600 >> Yes. 00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:01.600 Yeah. 00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:04.920 There is also an active project at the plant right now to rehab the existing plant and 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.280 get it up to speed. 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.280 Everything in there is 20 years old. 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:09.760 It's just kind of reached its life. 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.120 So we are currently doing that one, and we'll get an extra six to eight MGD of treatment 00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:19.340 out of that just by better efficient processes. 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.120 But the $21 million is for all of that. 00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:27.020 We're starting at the beginning, we're connecting at raw water and then connecting at high service, 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:30.360 but we're getting an entire new plant in between. 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.960 >> And this is all driven by growth and increase in water demand? 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:33.960 >> Yes. 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:34.960 Yes, sir. 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.720 >> Is this a TCEQ or the state law requirement point of demand where we have to be moving 00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:41.880 forward on construction? 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:42.880 >> We are. 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:43.880 >> 90% or? 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:44.880 >> We are. 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:45.880 Yeah. 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.400 And if we don't get this additional 20 MGD online, we are currently set to exhaust our 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:56.520 current treatment capacity by 2031, and this project is scheduled to wrap up in 2030 if 00:35:56.520 --> 00:36:00.800 we go on our projected timeline, which is a benefit of using a CMOR. 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:01.800 >> Thank you. 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:02.800 >> Mm-hmm. 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.480 >> Any other questions? 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.480 >> Question? 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.480 >> Yes. 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:08.480 >> Just curious. 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:09.480 >> Yes, sir. 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:15.440 >> This -- what is the total square foot -- what is the acreage footprint on all this that 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.440 we've got -- the whole thing? 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.020 If that's -- if you know, I'm just curious. 00:36:18.020 --> 00:36:23.600 >> We have 65 acres at the Ray Roberts plant that is owned by the city. 00:36:23.600 --> 00:36:25.400 Current footprint, I couldn't tell you. 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:26.560 >> But we have -- my point is -- 00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:27.560 >> Yes. 00:36:27.560 --> 00:36:30.040 >> -- we have quite a bit of extra land -- 00:36:30.040 --> 00:36:31.040 >> Yes. 00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:32.040 >> -- because I'm looking at growth. 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:34.120 You were just expanding on, so -- 00:36:34.120 --> 00:36:35.120 >> Yeah. 00:36:35.120 --> 00:36:42.520 >> -- that was my concern for future expansion, what we need to be ready for. 00:36:42.520 --> 00:36:46.040 >> Yeah, it's majority -- I don't know. 00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:52.320 The new plant is going to all be over here -- the majority of the lot is open and available 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.320 to us. 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.800 I would imagine we're probably built on, like, 20 acres of the 65. 00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:03.800 >> So then the -- if I may, so then this plan from Freeze Nichols, that would include a 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.640 square footage footprint of the new addition. 00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:07.640 >> Yes. 00:37:07.640 --> 00:37:14.160 This -- they anticipate that this plant will be a full buildout of 110 MGD in the next 00:37:14.160 --> 00:37:15.880 40 years. 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.080 This is kind of a mock-up of the 110-dimensional plant right here. 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:22.080 >> Okay. 00:37:22.080 --> 00:37:28.080 >> And then this is all the membrane units and the new sedimentation basins and extra 00:37:28.080 --> 00:37:33.600 membrane building, more clear wells, it'll be a lot. 00:37:33.600 --> 00:37:38.080 >> And MDG has no correlation with square feet? 00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:39.080 >> Not that I'm aware of, no. 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:40.080 >> I didn't know. 00:37:40.080 --> 00:37:41.080 It doesn't. 00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:42.080 >> No. 00:37:42.080 --> 00:37:45.080 >> I'm just -- I'm looking at just the physical versus the practical, the use of it. 00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:46.080 >> Yeah. 00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.080 >> Thank you. 00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:48.080 >> You're welcome. 00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:49.080 >> Okay. 00:37:49.080 --> 00:37:52.080 >> Move approval. 00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:53.080 >> Okay. 00:37:53.080 --> 00:37:56.080 We have a motion to approve. 00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:59.080 Do we have a second? 00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:02.080 Do we have a second? 00:38:02.080 --> 00:38:05.080 Mayor and all those in favor please say aye. 00:38:05.080 --> 00:38:06.080 >> Aye. 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:07.080 >> Any opposed? 00:38:07.080 --> 00:38:08.080 Signed the same. 00:38:08.080 --> 00:38:09.080 All right. 00:38:09.080 --> 00:38:10.080 >> Thank you. 00:38:10.080 --> 00:38:12.080 >> We'll deal with the CMAR, that one when it gets here. 00:38:12.080 --> 00:38:15.080 >> It's going to be great. 00:38:15.080 --> 00:38:16.080 >> All right. 00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:17.080 I guess that's it. 00:38:17.080 --> 00:38:23.080 We'll just move on to item F, management reports. 00:38:23.080 --> 00:38:30.080 >> Mr. Chair, members of the PUB, so you have in your packet two items that -- on two contracts, 00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:36.080 one was for coliform test media and the other one was for heavy equipment related items. 00:38:36.080 --> 00:38:40.080 Those two contracts, because of timing, went to the council first before they came to the 00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:44.080 PUB, so our process is to always bring it back to the PUB so that you're aware of that 00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:50.080 and certainly if you have any questions, I'm happy to try to get those answered for you. 00:38:50.080 --> 00:38:58.080 And so I'll see if there's any questions on any of those items. 00:38:58.080 --> 00:38:59.080 Okay. 00:38:59.080 --> 00:39:06.080 Future agenda items, I just want to give you a heads up that obviously you've tabled an 00:39:06.080 --> 00:39:12.080 item that will be coming back to you on the 28th, but the DME is also with -- in conjunction 00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:18.080 with finance plan to bring an update, our next quarterly update to the ECA and the TCRF. 00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:20.080 We are working through those numbers now. 00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:25.080 We plan to have a recommendation for you on the 28th. 00:39:25.080 --> 00:39:31.080 And then new business action items, the one item that we had on here that we had planned 00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:36.080 to bring today that we didn't was related to Mr. Rybak's question on recycling carts. 00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:38.080 I did talk with Mr. Borner. 00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:40.080 They pushed that out to the 28th. 00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:45.080 They are planning to have a work session for you on the 28th on that particular issue. 00:39:45.080 --> 00:39:52.080 And also Fleet will have their memorandum, I believe, regarding the EV questions. 00:39:52.080 --> 00:39:57.080 So with that, the only other quick items that I wanted to just mention, I already mentioned 00:39:57.080 --> 00:40:01.080 to you that Jose Gaitan will be replacing Terry Nolte. 00:40:01.080 --> 00:40:06.080 Ethan Cox has departed from the organization. 00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:09.080 He's an ACM in Burleson now apparently. 00:40:09.080 --> 00:40:14.080 And then Stephen Gay, our previous director of water utilities now, our general manager 00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:16.080 of water utilities and streets as well. 00:40:16.080 --> 00:40:20.080 And so congratulations to these folks on well-deserved promotions. 00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:26.080 So with that, happy to answer any questions you may have. 00:40:26.080 --> 00:40:27.080 Anybody? 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:28.080 Future agenda items? 00:40:28.080 --> 00:40:30.080 Anything? 00:40:30.080 --> 00:40:32.080 Okay. 00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:33.080 I just have a curiosity question. 00:40:33.080 --> 00:40:39.080 So has Terry retired or will be leaving at the end of the year? 00:40:39.080 --> 00:40:41.080 Yeah, the plan is sometime at the end of the year. 00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:44.080 You know, sooner if he can, he told me. 00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:49.080 But certainly we're trying to hang onto him for a little bit so he can do some cross-training 00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:53.080 with Jose and a couple of other folks that are transitioning roles as well. 00:40:53.080 --> 00:40:58.080 So we'll still have him for a little bit to assure a seamless transition. 00:40:58.080 --> 00:40:59.080 Yes, sir. 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:02.080 Thank you. 00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:05.080 Okay. 00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:08.080 Doesn't appear to be anything else. 00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:11.080 We entertain a motion to adjourn. 00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:12.080 So moved. 00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:13.080 So moved. 00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:14.080 Second. 00:41:14.080 --> 00:41:15.080 We're adjourned.