1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,540 - Good morning and welcome to the Public Utility Board meeting of October 14th, 2024. 2 00:00:07,540 --> 00:00:12,000 I'd like to call this meeting to order. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,240 Are there any presentations from members of the public? 4 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Any no comments online? 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Okay. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Well, then we'll move on to the consent agenda. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Mr. Rayner. 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:28,720 - Mr. Chairman, I ask that we pull item B as in boy. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,240 - Okay. 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,240 Any other items? 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,800 I know I'm going to pull item F because we'll pull that and go into closed session with 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,800 that item. 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Are there any other items to be pulled? 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,560 - Which items have been? 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:52,440 - B and F as in Frank and Boyd. 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,440 - I have a question about item A. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,440 - Item A? 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Okay. 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:03,640 If there are no other requests for consideration, I will move. 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,260 We approve C, D, E, and G. 21 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:07,260 - Second. 22 00:01:07,260 --> 00:01:10,360 - We have a motion and a second. 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,800 All those in favor, please say aye. 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,800 - Aye. 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,800 - Any opposed? 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Signed the same. 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,800 All right. 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Now, I'm going to go ahead and walk out for item B and let Mr. Taylor. 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,920 - Oh, we did A, I'm sorry. 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Yes. 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,920 Okay. 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Hey, item A. 33 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,000 - Good morning, PB, Mark Zimmer, DME Engineering. 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 - Morning. 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 - Morning. 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 - Good morning. 37 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:45,600 I was wondering if you could just give us a little background about this insulated substation. 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,800 - Sure. 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,560 The past history on the project, is that what you're referring to? 40 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,560 - I'm sorry? 41 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,200 - The past history of the project and why we're doing it? 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,200 - Sure. 43 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,200 Yeah. 44 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,680 There's an existing Hickory substation around that location now that was built in the '60s. 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,640 It's reached its end of life. 46 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:07,900 And so, we did public open houses for comments from the public on where to put a new substation. 47 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:12,320 We brought all that feedback back to city council many years ago and they directed us 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,560 to purchase the site we're on now for the new site. 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,000 The site is much smaller than a typical substation site. 50 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,040 And so, council directed us to use gas insulated substation technology so we can fit all the 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,560 equipment on the site. 52 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,000 And so, now we are a couple of months away from energizing that project and it's almost 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 done. 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 - Thank you. 55 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 - Yes, sir. 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,880 - Yeah, this is the one that's got the big faux building, it looks like a building now. 57 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,880 - Okay. 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:40,880 - Oh, okay. 59 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,880 I was gonna ask the address. 60 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:51,000 - As you're bumping down Bonnie Bray, you can view it. 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,600 - So, this is an additional expense from the original plan for the project? 62 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,600 - Yes, sir. 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,260 One of the items in there is for security design which was not in the scope of the contract, 64 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:03,600 so that's the reason for that part of the change order. 65 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,760 Another one is for redesign of some underground utilities due to not having a straight right 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:09,760 away. 67 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,760 - Thank you. 68 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,760 - Yes, sir. 69 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,960 - I move to approve item A. 70 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,040 - We have a motion to approve. 71 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,040 - Second. 72 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,780 - We have a second from Mr. Newquist. 73 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:22,280 All those in favor, please say aye. 74 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,280 - Aye. 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,280 - Any opposed, sign the same. 76 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,280 - Thank you. 77 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:38,840 - Okay, I'm gonna walk out of the room for item B that has been pulled. 78 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,840 - Good morning. 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,840 - Good morning. 80 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,240 - We have an adoption of an ordinance at City of Denton to authorize the city manager to 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,640 execute a contract with Jago Public Company for the Morse Street Reconstruction Improvements 82 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Project for a total of $2,518,025.48. 83 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:02,720 - So, I may ask, what is the timeframe? 84 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,400 Was that put in for as to your perception of how long it's gonna take to do something 85 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,640 like what you're asking us to have taken care of? 86 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,880 - Aaron Skinner, Senior Project Manager, Capital Projects. 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,600 I believe it is a 300-day contract, but I would have to go look at the contract itself. 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,600 - You said 300 days? 89 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,600 - Yes, sir. 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,600 - Great. 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:30,740 And also, is this a, this particular reconstruction improvement, is this a total turnkey or is 92 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:33,400 there potential additional requests? 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,920 Is this going in stages or is this just gonna be one item and it'll be finished? 94 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,320 - It should be one item all together with the street, sidewalk, and water utilities. 95 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,600 - Street, sidewalk, and? 96 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,600 - Water utilities. 97 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,760 - Within the 300 days? 98 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,760 - Yes, sir. 99 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,400 - And do you know when that might start? 100 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,520 - It just depends on the contract, when we should notice proceed, when it gets approved 101 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,160 by council, but I would expect within the next few months. 102 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,160 - Great. 103 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,160 Thank you for your time. 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,440 Thank you, sir. 105 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,440 I'll make a motion that we approve B as written. 106 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,200 - Thank you. 107 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,560 - Mr. Ryback seconds. 108 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,560 All in favor? 109 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,560 - Aye. 110 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,560 - Aye. 111 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,200 - All right, now we will let our chair return. 112 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,440 - We'll let you know. 113 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,640 - We're good? 114 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,200 - Yep. 115 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,760 - Okay. 116 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Move on to, I guess we're going to item F at this point. 117 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Okay, we're going to, you want to go ahead and call it now, is that right? 118 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,440 All right. 119 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,200 We're going to go into closed session. 120 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:49,240 Public utility board will now at 9.06 AM convene in closed meeting to deliberate the closed 121 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:56,400 meeting item set forth on the agenda, which include the following, PUB 24-218, deliberations 122 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,380 regarding certain public power utilities, competitive matters under Texas government 123 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:12,080 code section 551.086, consultation with attorneys under Texas government code section 551.071. 124 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,800 Okay. 125 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:21,640 The public utility board has now at 9.29 AM reconvened from the closed session and no 126 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,160 official action was taken. 127 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:31,760 - Order the court. 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,440 All right. 129 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,160 Yeah, okay. 130 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,240 And now would anybody like to make a motion on item F? 131 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,480 - Move approval of item F from the consent agenda. 132 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,000 - Move a motion, do we have a second? 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 - Second. 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,760 - We have a second from Mr. Plotk. 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Any further discussion? 136 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,120 Seeing as there is none, all those in favor, please say aye. 137 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,120 - Aye. 138 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,560 - Any opposed, sign the same. 139 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Passes unanimously. 140 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Okay, now we'll move on to items for individual consideration. 141 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:20,640 First item is A, consider approval of the September 23rd, 2024 meeting minutes. 142 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Do we have a motion, do we have a second? 143 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,360 - Second. 144 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 - All right, we have a motion or a second. 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,280 All those in favor, please say aye. 146 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,280 - Aye. 147 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,440 - All right, we'll move on, that passes unanimously. 148 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Item B, PUB 24-220. 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:55,320 We have a little presentation here. 150 00:07:55,320 --> 00:08:06,840 All right. 151 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,600 - Good morning, members of PUB. 152 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:19,220 This is Pepentavon, ADF Finance, and I'm here to present transmission cost of service. 153 00:08:19,220 --> 00:08:24,600 So these costs represent the cost that the City of Denton pays for using other providers' 154 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,880 transmission lines or asset or fixed asset of things of that nature. 155 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:35,160 So under our current policy, anything that's over 50,000 needs to go to PUB and City Council 156 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,040 for approvals. 157 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,320 And these costs are calculated using the 4CP, which is basically the peak demand times 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,180 that's kind of managed and kind of done through ERCOT and the PUCT. 159 00:08:47,180 --> 00:08:52,840 So I think it uses June, July, August, and September as the peak demand timeframes. 160 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,980 And these providers here are around the same providers every year that we pay. 161 00:08:57,980 --> 00:08:59,640 And this is on the net billing. 162 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:07,440 So this slide here is just to show and present all the providers that we pay that are under 163 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,080 50,000. 164 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Staff has the authority to make those payments under our current policy. 165 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,400 So that's the left section of the PowerPoint. 166 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,240 And the right is the same information on the first slide. 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,860 That's just the total of the providers that we pay that's over 50,000. 168 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:26,860 And that is it. 169 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:31,640 Does anybody have any questions? 170 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,140 Mr. Wrabeck has a question. 171 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:34,360 Just quickly. 172 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:41,720 So these transmission costs that we pay in order to have the availability of power delivery, 173 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:49,720 what percentage of DME's overall cost structure do they represent annually? 174 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Tony will handle that one. 175 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Okay. 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,120 Yeah, so it's about 15%. 177 00:09:54,120 --> 00:10:01,640 I mean, you're talking about about $30 million of expenses that we have and roughly $400 178 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,760 million budget, so operating budget. 179 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Thank you. 180 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,760 Yes, sir. 181 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Mr. Taylor. 182 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:18,680 And these are netted out against Denton Municipal Electric's own credits for transmission cost 183 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,680 of service, right? 184 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:21,680 Correct. 185 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:22,680 Yes. 186 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:24,480 And what is the approval for this coming FY? 187 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,480 Correct. 188 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Yes. 189 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,720 This come, well, FY24-25 budget year is correct. 190 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,720 Right. 191 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,520 And there will, does ERCOT do one adjustment in the year? 192 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,720 Is it going to be one more time where we get an adjustment? 193 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Is that standard? 194 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,360 So the 4CP is on those June, July, August, and September. 195 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,000 And normally those rates and those, or that usage actually won't come out till the end 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 of this. 197 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Well, it just came out in December-ish. 198 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,480 So then, or this coming up December, but then we'll need to look at the calculation again 199 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,480 just to see if there's any variance. 200 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,120 So there's like a timing lag on the calculation itself. 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,400 So there probably is going to be a minor adjustment January, February. 202 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Yes. 203 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,400 Potentially, yes. 204 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,960 I move approval of the transmission cost of service contract. 205 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Was there any more comments? 206 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,080 No, not anymore. 207 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:21,960 And we have a motion to approve item B. We have a motion. 208 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:22,960 We did. 209 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,960 I said we have a motion to approve item B. You waited for a second. 210 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,960 I am. 211 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Well, you didn't say it. 212 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,960 But I'll say it. 213 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,960 Okay. 214 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:29,960 You'd like to second it. 215 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:30,960 I didn't know I had to ask you, Rob. 216 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Okay. 217 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,280 We have a motion and a second to approve item B. All those in favor, please say aye. 218 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Aye. 219 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Aye. 220 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Any opposed? 221 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Sign the same. 222 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,280 There are none. 223 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,280 Passes unanimously. 224 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Okay. 225 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,360 We move to item 24-170. 226 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,080 We have a request to speak on this agenda item. 227 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,680 Would this person like to come forward or would you just like your comments read? 228 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:55,680 Yes. 229 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:56,680 My name is Charles Lee. 230 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:02,320 If you'll go to the microphone so we can get you and state your name and your address, 231 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,320 if you will. 232 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,320 Yes. 233 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,320 My name is Charles Lee. 234 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,360 I live on Elmwood, North Elmwood. 235 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,160 I am a DME customer. 236 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,160 I've been a DME customer for the past three years, and for the past three years, my energy 237 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,680 and water consumption has only -- I've only used less water, but my bill continues to 238 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:20,680 go up. 239 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:26,400 And I'm in opposed to this item because, for one thing, I voted against the bond, first 240 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,400 of all. 241 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,400 I voted against this bond. 242 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,720 But not only that, but I find it objectionable that you're going to want to spend the bond 243 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,600 money before you even sold the bond and got the money in the first place. 244 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,920 Just like you're getting a credit card and you're trying to max the credit card out and 245 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,240 you haven't even gotten the place or plastic in the mail yet. 246 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,960 And I find that absolutely ridiculous. 247 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,560 And that's all I want to say. 248 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,320 And I just want to say, just because these bonds pass at election time, that's just one 249 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,320 election. 250 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,920 One election means nothing to me. 251 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,920 And I don't understand. 252 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:04,120 You guys just keep spending money, and we are in unprecedented times right now. 253 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Just because you've been operating this way for 50 years doesn't mean that these bonds 254 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,600 are going to continue to get the money you think you're going to get when you sell them. 255 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,600 So we could spend this money, and then what happens if they don't sell and get the price 256 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,240 that we think at auction? 257 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,840 Are we still going to be stuck with the money? 258 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:21,840 No. 259 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,520 I think this needs to be voted down until we get the money and then we talk about spending 260 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,520 the money. 261 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,520 And that's all I have to say. 262 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,840 >> Thank you, Mr. Lee. 263 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,880 All right. 264 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,120 We have a presentation. 265 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Thank you. 266 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:52,560 >> I'll try to get this where you all can hear me and I can see my presentation at the 267 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:53,560 same time. 268 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,560 Good morning. 269 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:55,560 Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager. 270 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:56,560 >> Good morning. 271 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,820 >> I have a brief presentation regarding the reimbursement ordinance. 272 00:13:59,820 --> 00:14:03,460 It is the first month of the fiscal year, so this is a normal practice, and we do intend 273 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:07,200 to sell bonds later on this fiscal year. 274 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,080 It is required by the federal government that we show our intent to reimburse ourselves 275 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,820 later with bond proceeds later in the year. 276 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:23,280 This is an umbrella of all of our debt-funded capital improvement projects for this reimbursement 277 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,280 ordinance. 278 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,400 All the projects under that were on the budget that you just approved in September, and those 279 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,600 were discussed over the summer periods with your budget teams and your other departments 280 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,480 throughout that process. 281 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,240 We will sell the bonds within 12 months. 282 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,320 We'll actually sell them before the fiscal year end, and this reimbursement is allowed 283 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,520 by our debt policy. 284 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,960 An additional note we made this year is that although we do the reimbursement policy, it 285 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,600 does not obligate us to actually sell all the bonds. 286 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,920 As we go through the project list through the bond process, we will usually reduce the 287 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,160 amount of dollars, depending on projects, when the departments have allotted more time 288 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,480 where they are in their project list and in their projects and construction phases when 289 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,600 we get to the notice of intent and the actual bond sale. 290 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,720 So the total dollars here you will see today are the budgeted items. 291 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,240 The detailed project list is the last four or five pages of your actual exhibit. 292 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,840 If I don't have them on the screen today, I just have the summaries per utility fund. 293 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:33,120 So solid waste is at $11.1 million, water is $58.8, wastewater $71.6, electric $74.9, 294 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:41,640 with a total of all your utilities at $216,673,313, which is your budgeted amount for this fiscal 295 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,640 year. 296 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Our next steps will come back in April with a notice of intent for just the Certificates 297 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:48,560 of Obligation. 298 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,780 We'll move forward in May for your bond parameters ordinance, which will be the final number 299 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:55,360 that will be sold. 300 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:03,040 And then we will sell in June and have proceeds to the City in late July. 301 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Any questions, please? 302 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,040 Yes, sir. 303 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,760 I have a question, and maybe in regards to Mr. Lee's concern. 304 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:19,360 So this is an authorization for the departments to move forward with their projects, planning 305 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,440 and preparation, but the bonds themselves will not be sold until later in the year based 306 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,680 on more final numbers of actual project cost? 307 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Correct. 308 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,440 This is an umbrella giving us authority to make those actions if we deem them necessary, 309 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,840 and the project is in a place where we have the cash to do so. 310 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,240 So if we didn't do this bond ordinance and someone wanted to spend money, we would have 311 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,600 to come to you with every project and every dollar. 312 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,000 So instead we do the entire budget, and then it's reviewed by the department heads and 313 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,640 the budget team if they actually have the cash on hand to do that now. 314 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,800 Okay, so if they don't have the cash on hand to do it now, then they'll have to wait until 315 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,520 the bonds are sold and executed and the money transferred to that. 316 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,560 So I hope that assists Mr. Lee's concerns. 317 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,720 I think I understand the general approach, and thank you for your answers. 318 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:18,600 It doesn't appear to be any more questions, so we'll entertain a motion for item B. 319 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,600 So moved. 320 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,520 We have a motion to approve. 321 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Would anyone like to second that? 322 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,560 Yes, I would. 323 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,900 We have a motion to second. 324 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:27,900 Thank you, gentlemen. 325 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:30,440 All those in favor, please say aye. 326 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,440 Aye. 327 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,280 Any opposed, sign the same. 328 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,280 Passes unanimously. 329 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:52,480 We'll go on to item D. It's PUB 24-193. 330 00:17:52,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Good morning, PUB members. 331 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,640 My name is Giovanni Pinheiro. 332 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,080 I'm project manager, Capital Projects. 333 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:16,640 I'm here to present the Dentor Solid Weight Flit Shop for the construction phase. 334 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,880 Quick project overview. 335 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:27,320 It would be a single story building, six-vehicle base with part storage. 336 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:36,160 The city of Denton basically do maintenance and repairs of these heavy equipment by contractor, 337 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,640 which require its downtime productivity. 338 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:47,760 So by doing this building, the city of Denton Landfill can do the maintenance and repairs 339 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,440 on site. 340 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Question on the statement that you just made. 341 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,920 Can you give me an idea of how much money you're wasting, how much time you're wasting 342 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,440 by using outside contractors? 343 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:09,800 No, I don't have that information, sir, with me. 344 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Okay. 345 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Yes. 346 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Project schedule. 347 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 This month, we want to award the contractor. 348 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,720 By November, we will have the noted to proceed, the pre-construction meeting. 349 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,360 By December 2024, we plan to start construction. 350 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,240 By November 2025, the substantial completion. 351 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:36,480 By December 2025, would be the final completion. 352 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:48,880 Our staff recommend that to award this contract for a little more of $9.5 million. 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,760 Any question? 354 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:57,680 So do we have any idea how much time we're wasting and how much money we're expending 355 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,680 on these services as opposed to doing it ourselves? 356 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:09,740 No, I don't have that information, sir. 357 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:12,360 Mr. Newquist. 358 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:16,680 Or perhaps, what percentage of our fleet are we servicing ourselves now and where might 359 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:27,520 we go by doing this? 360 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,520 Good morning, board members. 361 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,600 Seth Garcia, Deputy Director of Capital Project. 362 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Currently, they are doing things in the field or out there at the solid waste facility. 363 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,640 And in the rare instance for PM maintenance, they're bringing it to our service center 364 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,640 shop. 365 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,520 Again, these are large vehicles that that service center shop isn't necessarily built 366 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,240 for these trash trucks, especially with the amount of trucks that we have. 367 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,360 And so part of the reason for building this was to be able to put it out there on site 368 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,800 instead of taking it downtown to the Mingo location to be able to do. 369 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:00,840 But we can we can work with solid waste to provide a response for exactly what that outside 370 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,640 contract was that we're utilizing in that projected downtime. 371 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,360 We just don't have those numbers today. 372 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,560 Do you have a timeline on construction? 373 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,820 Yes, sir. 374 00:21:10,820 --> 00:21:14,060 So let me go back. 375 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:19,000 So we are anticipating that notice to proceed in December and then it's roughly a one year 376 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 time frame. 377 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 So we're hoping December of 25 have that facility operational. 378 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Thank you. 379 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Thank you. 380 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,800 That went by so quick. 381 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,800 No, you're good. 382 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,800 Thank you. 383 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,440 Any idea of jobs added or employees added by bringing this in? 384 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,680 I'm not sure from facilities we could get with Tom Grammer. 385 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:43,860 We can provide that response to if there can be adding more fleet techs. 386 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:48,620 Is this a time sensitive? 387 00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:49,620 Everything is. 388 00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:52,060 But I'd like to have those numbers. 389 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:56,960 And so my question is, if I should ask for those numbers for the next meeting, could 390 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,960 that be done? 391 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,840 First of all, and second of all, does that jeopardize your timetables of what you're 392 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,200 wanting to do? 393 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,200 I don't believe so. 394 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,040 I think we could absolutely have those numbers to you by the next meeting. 395 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,440 You know what numbers we're talking about? 396 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,440 Yes, sir. 397 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,960 The downtime percentage and the amount of the contracts is what I heard that we're using 398 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,720 for an employee in the employee account. 399 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,820 Yeah, I think we can absolutely get that information to have. 400 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:25,520 Before we go further, but I don't mean to be malicious. 401 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:31,520 I just, if that doesn't, if that doesn't not, well, I guess I really don't care. 402 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,320 I want those numbers before we vote anyway. 403 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Okay. 404 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,480 And you think we can get it within the next meeting? 405 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,840 Yes, I absolutely think that we could get it. 406 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,920 Again, bumping that back is going to hurt our time frame just a little bit. 407 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Again, we've got long lead materials, especially HVAC parts and things that are, that we want 408 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520 to get ordered as soon as possible. 409 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,600 But again, I think within probably the week we could, we could have information to you. 410 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Thank you. 411 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Just as a comment, philosophically, I much prefer the city taking these roles on, you 412 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:15,800 know, contractors make layers on top of, of the charges and having a facility in which 413 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,640 to repair our vehicles without having to drive them 20 or 30 minutes each way or potentially 414 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,640 tow them. 415 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,640 They're not drivable. 416 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,400 You know, this just makes a lot of sense. 417 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Having those details though of, of, you know, the total benefit would, would be helpful. 418 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 But in general, I think this is, this is the kind of stuff I prefer to see when we have 419 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,520 200 heavy vehicles dedicated for refuse service. 420 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Let's service them in house. 421 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,200 Let's not have, you know, I don't know, half a million or a million dollar contract with 422 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,440 the third party. 423 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,840 Let's keep that expertise here. 424 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,280 Let's keep the travel time short. 425 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,840 Let's know our own equipment and maintain it well. 426 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,520 So in general, like the philosophy of this, I just, and we can provide, I believe we're 427 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,720 doing the majority of the maintenance work through some fleet technicians that go out 428 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,820 and visit solid waste and at our mingo service center. 429 00:24:07,820 --> 00:24:12,120 But if, if you guys would like additional details for, I know tires and some other things 430 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,600 that, that we outsource, Mr. Chair, important order. 431 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Yes. 432 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:24,440 Would it be best to, instead of, instead of voting against this, but to table this D until 433 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:31,360 the next meeting, which would then keep the thread of cooperation and what we want intact 434 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,080 so we don't have to create any more delay in time? 435 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,760 I, you had a comment. 436 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:46,800 I recognize that and I, I think there's probably a consensus out here to do so, I think. 437 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:53,480 And additional, additional questions on this may, we need to feed them now so they can 438 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,840 come back with answers, I believe, too, as well. 439 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,840 Certainly. 440 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,320 When the appropriate time, I'd like to make a motion then after we think we've had all 441 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,200 the questions that you believe is necessary. 442 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,200 Okay. 443 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,200 All right. 444 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,200 Thank you. 445 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,200 You had something else? 446 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,200 I did. 447 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:17,000 Just going back to the same question of what's the cost, what are the delay issues in using 448 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:24,520 outside sources, you've also gone with a commercial, I mean, construction manager at risk proposal. 449 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,880 This is a CSP. 450 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,080 This was not a C-MAR. 451 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,120 It's got a C-MAR backup, C-MAR cost proposal. 452 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,120 Sorry. 453 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,360 It should have been competitive sealed proposal. 454 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,360 Okay. 455 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:40,960 But you did rate them at the same way you might a C-MAR, correct? 456 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,960 Correct. 457 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,960 Yes. 458 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,960 It's still a best value selection. 459 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:54,360 So you're, of the four bidders, you're spending $900,000 and some change more on this bidder 460 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:59,680 because of the rating through this system. 461 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:10,320 And I know that Solid Waste has done some bids out there where they've pre-qualified. 462 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,320 That way you go with low bidder in that case if you go with pre-qualification. 463 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,240 But in this case you didn't. 464 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,800 I'm concerned as to why that is. 465 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,720 I'm curious as to why that is. 466 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,720 Yeah. 467 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:29,640 So we, as a capital improvement project department, we had made a decision to get away from just 468 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,420 strictly the low bid delivery. 469 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:37,160 So competitive sealed proposal allows us to evaluate qualifications, project team, experience, 470 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,720 building similar facilities. 471 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,540 The low bidder, if you look through their application, had built like quick trips and 472 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:49,820 retail restaurants and nothing that was similar to any kind of fleet facility. 473 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:54,080 So that's why in some of their qualifications and experience they did not receive as high 474 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:01,760 of points as compared to Muckaroy and Falls who was selected that has fleet shop experience. 475 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,280 And so again, looking at if we were just to go to the low bid option, we could potentially 476 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,840 get a bidder who had no experience building any kind of facility. 477 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,960 Well, you could solve that problem by pre-qualifying as well. 478 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Correct. 479 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,140 So again, if we do the pre-qualification process, it's simply just the two-part piece of having 480 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:23,040 to do a request for qualifications and then go to pricing. 481 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 This allows us to do it in one step. 482 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,240 So we're essentially doing both pieces in one step through a CSP as opposed to going 483 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,960 through a qualifications part and then doing a separate solicitation to. 484 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,360 For $900,000, it might be worth it, you never know. 485 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,360 It could be. 486 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,360 Yeah, absolutely. 487 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,200 But if we went through the pre-qualification process, that first firm wouldn't have been 488 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,440 on the list. 489 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,760 And so again, we likely would have ended up in the same scenario and this way we saved 490 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,760 time. 491 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Yeah. 492 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,760 You might have got more competition too if you've gone through pre-qualification. 493 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,200 Yeah, and again, it is open to all bidders. 494 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,400 We send it out through our NIGP code. 495 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,720 And so the same bidders had the opportunity to bid on this that a pre-qual list would. 496 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720 Just a follow-up question with that. 497 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:11,480 Did you read my opinion for the last meeting, which I was unable to attend? 498 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Your email? 499 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,480 Yes. 500 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480 I did get forwarded your email, sir. 501 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,480 Good. 502 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,480 Okay. 503 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,480 All right. 504 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,400 That's it. 505 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960 Will there be any cross-departmental synergies? 506 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,600 Currently we're using the Mingo facility to handle this in-house. 507 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Will this only be for solid waste or will we get the benefit of other departments being 508 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,560 able to utilize this facility? 509 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,560 Yeah. 510 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,760 I would fully anticipate that it's going to be used for whatever. 511 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,240 So again, they have six bays. 512 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,040 If not, it's absolutely going to free up space at the Mingo facility. 513 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:45,160 But having a fleet shop out there on that side of town with the access to do large equipment, 514 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880 so they're going to be able to service their large dozers, excavators, everything out there 515 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,840 on site instead of taking a mobile unit to the landfill to be able to do that. 516 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,800 So if we're looking at potential benefits to other departments, can we get an estimated 517 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400 impact financially of what those benefits could be? 518 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,560 I know it would be estimated, not exact. 519 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Yeah. 520 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,480 I can definitely make that ask to Mr. Tom Grammer. 521 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Thank you. 522 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,960 Okay. 523 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,320 That's probably enough for you. 524 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Thank you both. 525 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:25,580 Mr. Chairman, then if I may, I move that we table D until our next meeting, at which time 526 00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:31,040 you will provide all of the information that we've discussed and there's a litany of things 527 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,040 as you know. 528 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,040 Yes, sir. 529 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Mr. Chairman, your request or concern, do you want that to be included in the information 530 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,040 for the next meeting? 531 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,640 I'd love to hear response to that. 532 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,880 So it's going to be a full agenda for you, but that's what we want. 533 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Sounds good. 534 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880 We will be back. 535 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,880 All right. 536 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Thank you. 537 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,880 We'll need a second, sir. 538 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Yes. 539 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,880 We have a motion. 540 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Do we have a second? 541 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,880 We do for Mr. Ryback. 542 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,160 All those in favor to table this item, signify by saying aye. 543 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Aye. 544 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Aye. 545 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160 Any opposed? 546 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,400 There appears to be none. 547 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,400 Okay. 548 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,400 Thank you, gentlemen. 549 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,400 Okay. 550 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:15,360 That was item D. We're moving on to item E, PUB 24-215. 551 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:36,480 Good morning, I'm Katherine Koch, I'm a project manager at Water Utilities and I am here to 552 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,000 present to you for your consideration a design services contract for the Ray Roberts Water 553 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Treatment Plant expansion project. 554 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160 It's a mouthful. 555 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,880 A little history on the plant, the Ray Roberts Water Treatment Plant was placed into service 556 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,880 in 2002. 557 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,040 It has a treatment capacity of 20 million gallons. 558 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,520 In the 2021 master plan, they identified the need to expand the facility due to our growing 559 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800 water demands in the city. 560 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:10,880 In this project, we plan on adding an additional 20 MGD of treatment capacity at the plant. 561 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,000 A couple of our major project components, we have two pilot tests that we will be required 562 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:23,640 to do, one for the inclined plate settlers for the sedimentation basins and then for 563 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240 the low pressure membrane units. 564 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,280 They're both considered innovative technologies through TCEQ, so we will have a pilot study 565 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,040 for both of them that our design engineer will be assisting us with. 566 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,280 A special component of this project that has to do with those low pressure membrane units 567 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,200 is the building that will house them. 568 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:50,080 We are going to build out to a capacity of 50 MGD, but only constructing the 20 MGD right 569 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,080 now. 570 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,240 So we'll be able to plug and play the extra 10 MGD at a time for an additional 30 in the 571 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,360 future when we expand. 572 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,160 And then in addition to that, we're just constructing all the ancillary treatment equipment at the 573 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:12,560 plant to essentially have an entire new 20 MGD plant in addition to the existing 20 MGD. 574 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,360 Some special project components, we plan to use a collaborative delivery approach, so 575 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400 a CMAR on this. 576 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,720 We have a tight schedule for when we need this extra capacity online. 577 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:33,200 So using a CMAR will help us get a higher quality product and a better timeline by utilizing 578 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,480 schedule coordination, cost modeling, value engineering. 579 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,040 We just believe this is the correct approach. 580 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:45,360 We are fully funding this project with the Texas Water Development Board SWIFT loan, 581 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,140 the State Water Implementation Fund of Texas. 582 00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:54,400 We applied for, were approved, and will soon be closing on our first year of funding for 583 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,400 that. 584 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,680 The total is $195 million. 585 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,400 We used our pre-qualified engineer list of wastewater facility engineers, and through 586 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,120 our evaluation process, we chose to use Fries and Nichols. 587 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Their total project or contract amount is $21 million. 588 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680 Any questions? 589 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:34,720 >> I was curious why the testing has to be done on the membrane system for TCEQ. 590 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,800 It would seem like if it's a proven technology, is testing required because each individual 591 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,320 installation must be tested or because it's a new technology and they want to know if 592 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,320 it will work? 593 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,040 >> It's not a new technology. 594 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,440 It's considered innovative. 595 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,800 It's about 20 years old. 596 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240 We are certainly not the first people to be doing this. 597 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,120 I'm not sure why they consider it innovative, but we will have at least two membrane samples 598 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,680 on site, and we will actively be testing the water quality for what they're filtering and 599 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,160 reporting that to TCEQ. 600 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,320 And the inclined plate settlers, they just deviate from the traditional treatment processes. 601 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,300 They have about half the footprint because they're increasing the surface area that the 602 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,840 sedimentation is settling on. 603 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,360 >> So will these membrane systems be fully built or will small demonstration systems 604 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,160 be built to be tested, or how is that proceeding? 605 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,200 >> They're small little units that we roll on and hook up and treat the water. 606 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,200 >> Okay. 607 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,200 I got you. 608 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,200 All right. 609 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,200 Thank you. 610 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,200 >> You're welcome. 611 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:47,440 >> So this $21 million is for the full design for the 195-ish million-dollar project? 612 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440 >> Yes. 613 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,440 Yes, sir. 614 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,600 >> And so that includes, I know when this came forward in the summer, discussion on 615 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,600 upgrading the pumping controls and pumps to be more flexible and energy efficient. 616 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,600 That's all in this? 617 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,600 >> Yes. 618 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,600 Yeah. 619 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,920 There is also an active project at the plant right now to rehab the existing plant and 620 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,280 get it up to speed. 621 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,280 Everything in there is 20 years old. 622 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,760 It's just kind of reached its life. 623 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,120 So we are currently doing that one, and we'll get an extra six to eight MGD of treatment 624 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,340 out of that just by better efficient processes. 625 00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:23,120 But the $21 million is for all of that. 626 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,020 We're starting at the beginning, we're connecting at raw water and then connecting at high service, 627 00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:30,360 but we're getting an entire new plant in between. 628 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960 >> And this is all driven by growth and increase in water demand? 629 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,960 >> Yes. 630 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,960 Yes, sir. 631 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,720 >> Is this a TCEQ or the state law requirement point of demand where we have to be moving 632 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:41,880 forward on construction? 633 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,880 >> We are. 634 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,880 >> 90% or? 635 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,880 >> We are. 636 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Yeah. 637 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,400 And if we don't get this additional 20 MGD online, we are currently set to exhaust our 638 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,520 current treatment capacity by 2031, and this project is scheduled to wrap up in 2030 if 639 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,800 we go on our projected timeline, which is a benefit of using a CMOR. 640 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,800 >> Thank you. 641 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,800 >> Mm-hmm. 642 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,480 >> Any other questions? 643 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,480 >> Question? 644 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,480 >> Yes. 645 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,480 >> Just curious. 646 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,480 >> Yes, sir. 647 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,440 >> This -- what is the total square foot -- what is the acreage footprint on all this that 648 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,440 we've got -- the whole thing? 649 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,020 If that's -- if you know, I'm just curious. 650 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:23,600 >> We have 65 acres at the Ray Roberts plant that is owned by the city. 651 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,400 Current footprint, I couldn't tell you. 652 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,560 >> But we have -- my point is -- 653 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,560 >> Yes. 654 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,040 >> -- we have quite a bit of extra land -- 655 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,040 >> Yes. 656 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,040 >> -- because I'm looking at growth. 657 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,120 You were just expanding on, so -- 658 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,120 >> Yeah. 659 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:42,520 >> -- that was my concern for future expansion, what we need to be ready for. 660 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,040 >> Yeah, it's majority -- I don't know. 661 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,320 The new plant is going to all be over here -- the majority of the lot is open and available 662 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,320 to us. 663 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,800 I would imagine we're probably built on, like, 20 acres of the 65. 664 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:03,800 >> So then the -- if I may, so then this plan from Freeze Nichols, that would include a 665 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,640 square footage footprint of the new addition. 666 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,640 >> Yes. 667 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:14,160 This -- they anticipate that this plant will be a full buildout of 110 MGD in the next 668 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,880 40 years. 669 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,080 This is kind of a mock-up of the 110-dimensional plant right here. 670 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080 >> Okay. 671 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:28,080 >> And then this is all the membrane units and the new sedimentation basins and extra 672 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,600 membrane building, more clear wells, it'll be a lot. 673 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,080 >> And MDG has no correlation with square feet? 674 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,080 >> Not that I'm aware of, no. 675 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,080 >> I didn't know. 676 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,080 It doesn't. 677 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,080 >> No. 678 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,080 >> I'm just -- I'm looking at just the physical versus the practical, the use of it. 679 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,080 >> Yeah. 680 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,080 >> Thank you. 681 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,080 >> You're welcome. 682 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,080 >> Okay. 683 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080 >> Move approval. 684 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,080 >> Okay. 685 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,080 We have a motion to approve. 686 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,080 Do we have a second? 687 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,080 Do we have a second? 688 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Mayor and all those in favor please say aye. 689 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,080 >> Aye. 690 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,080 >> Any opposed? 691 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,080 Signed the same. 692 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,080 All right. 693 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080 >> Thank you. 694 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,080 >> We'll deal with the CMAR, that one when it gets here. 695 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080 >> It's going to be great. 696 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,080 >> All right. 697 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080 I guess that's it. 698 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:23,080 We'll just move on to item F, management reports. 699 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:30,080 >> Mr. Chair, members of the PUB, so you have in your packet two items that -- on two contracts, 700 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:36,080 one was for coliform test media and the other one was for heavy equipment related items. 701 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,080 Those two contracts, because of timing, went to the council first before they came to the 702 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,080 PUB, so our process is to always bring it back to the PUB so that you're aware of that 703 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,080 and certainly if you have any questions, I'm happy to try to get those answered for you. 704 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:58,080 And so I'll see if there's any questions on any of those items. 705 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,080 Okay. 706 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:06,080 Future agenda items, I just want to give you a heads up that obviously you've tabled an 707 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:12,080 item that will be coming back to you on the 28th, but the DME is also with -- in conjunction 708 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:18,080 with finance plan to bring an update, our next quarterly update to the ECA and the TCRF. 709 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,080 We are working through those numbers now. 710 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:25,080 We plan to have a recommendation for you on the 28th. 711 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:31,080 And then new business action items, the one item that we had on here that we had planned 712 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,080 to bring today that we didn't was related to Mr. Rybak's question on recycling carts. 713 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080 I did talk with Mr. Borner. 714 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,080 They pushed that out to the 28th. 715 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,080 They are planning to have a work session for you on the 28th on that particular issue. 716 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:52,080 And also Fleet will have their memorandum, I believe, regarding the EV questions. 717 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,080 So with that, the only other quick items that I wanted to just mention, I already mentioned 718 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,080 to you that Jose Gaitan will be replacing Terry Nolte. 719 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,080 Ethan Cox has departed from the organization. 720 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080 He's an ACM in Burleson now apparently. 721 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,080 And then Stephen Gay, our previous director of water utilities now, our general manager 722 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,080 of water utilities and streets as well. 723 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,080 And so congratulations to these folks on well-deserved promotions. 724 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:26,080 So with that, happy to answer any questions you may have. 725 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,080 Anybody? 726 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,080 Future agenda items? 727 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080 Anything? 728 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,080 Okay. 729 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080 I just have a curiosity question. 730 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:39,080 So has Terry retired or will be leaving at the end of the year? 731 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,080 Yeah, the plan is sometime at the end of the year. 732 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,080 You know, sooner if he can, he told me. 733 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,080 But certainly we're trying to hang onto him for a little bit so he can do some cross-training 734 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,080 with Jose and a couple of other folks that are transitioning roles as well. 735 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,080 So we'll still have him for a little bit to assure a seamless transition. 736 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,080 Yes, sir. 737 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,080 Thank you. 738 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,080 Okay. 739 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,080 Doesn't appear to be anything else. 740 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,080 We entertain a motion to adjourn. 741 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,080 So moved. 742 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,080 So moved. 743 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,080 Second. 744 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,080 We're adjourned.