1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,220 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission 2 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:07,860 meeting for Wednesday, September 25th. 3 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:15,000 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.31 p.m. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:22,020 First item on our work session agenda is citizen comment on consent agenda. 5 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:24,520 Is there anyone wishing to speak on consent? 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Okay. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,080 All right, that will take us then to the clarification on tonight's agenda. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,280 That's our minutes for September 11th. 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Any questions, issues there? 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Okay. 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,720 And then our consent agenda has two items. 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,720 Questions on those? 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,960 Make sure I don't have any notes. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Okay. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,960 Okay. 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Items for individual consideration. 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Our first being FP240016. 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Erin, hi. 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,520 >> Hello. 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,320 >> Give us the summary on that one, please. 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,480 >> Good evening, Erin Stanley, assistant planner. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:15,320 This is Redbird Ridge edition and this is a final plat for -- this one's not it. 23 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:16,320 >> Nope. 24 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:17,320 >> No. 25 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:19,080 There we go. 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,640 FP240016. 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,040 This is a final plat on approximately 38.4 acres. 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,200 This is generally south of Country Club Road. 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,760 It's kind of hard to see, but it's right here, it's Country Club. 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:40,480 And then east of -- east of Oak Ridge Lane and north of Fincher, it's kind of turned 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,480 around here. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,320 But this is out in the ETJ division one and this is -- they still have a few more comments 33 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:47,320 to work through. 34 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:55,080 FP240016, they've requested a first extension and staff has no problem with that extension, 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,800 which could be granted to October 23rd, 2024. 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,800 >> Great. 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Questions for Erin? 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Yep. 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Commissioner? 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 >> Sorry if I missed it. 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,920 What number extension is this? 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,920 >> First. 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,920 >> First. 44 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Thank you. 45 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:10,920 >> Anything else? 46 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:11,920 Okay. 47 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,920 Thank you. 48 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:17,880 First is -- actually, 4B has been withdrawn. 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,680 We did get an email on that. 50 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,560 So we will not be taking any action there. 51 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Then it's 4C, FP240010. 52 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Julie is here to give a summary of that. 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,480 >> Good evening, Julie Wyatt. 54 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,160 This is the final plat for a multifamily development. 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:43,160 It actually is a combination of horizontal multifamily and then typical more garden style 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,440 apartment multifamily. 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Some of you might remember this from a couple of years ago. 58 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,560 We had a comprehensive plan amendment, zoning case, and SUP for it. 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,320 It is located on May Hill, just north of Russell Newman. 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,040 They have a couple things they still need to work out on the civil plans. 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,820 So they are requesting an extension. 62 00:03:03,820 --> 00:03:05,360 This is their second extension. 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,480 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 64 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,480 >> Thanks, Julie. 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,480 Questions? 66 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Okay. 67 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,480 >> Thank you. 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,160 We've got a couple -- well, actually, we are going to hear one of the public hearings tonight. 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:25,920 The 5A is being requested to be postponed until October 9th. 70 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:31,320 They would like us to open the public hearing and leave it open and then take a vote on 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,000 a postponement to October 9th. 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Questions there? 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Okay. 74 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:44,280 Then our public hearing that we will hear tonight, hello, Bryce, is 5B DCA 240011. 75 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,280 >> Good evening, commission. 76 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Bryce VanArsdale, assistant planner. 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:53,280 This is DCA 240011 related to the addition of commercial animal services to the land 78 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,080 use definitions in the DIN development code. 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:03,320 On August 28th, we did conduct a work session item over this and went over the proposed 80 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,080 definition updates as well as the removal of kennel from the DIN development code. 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,400 With that, we did receive three comments from you all. 82 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,080 One, we did redo the language -- or reword the language so it was more clear about what 83 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,360 was primarily indoor and primarily outdoor. 84 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,680 Secondly, we did add to the use specific standards the -- some standards that are from the Texas 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,760 health and safety code that relate to the climate control, the health, and the cleanliness 86 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,920 of those quarantine and impoundment areas. 87 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,680 Additionally, we did add a provision to the use specific standards that allows for the 88 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,560 use of outdoor areas for pet relief and specified that no portion of this use specific standard 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,200 will -- is intended to prevent that from occurring. 90 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,040 I do have a longer presentation that I'm happy to go through, but I will do that during the 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,120 regular session, and I'll stand for any questions. 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,120 >> Thank you, Bryce. 93 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Questions? 94 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Commissioner Pritz? 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:03,560 >> I think we got a few public comments on this concerning one particular existing business. 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,440 Has staff heard anything about other businesses that would be concerned about this change, 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,400 or is that the only feedback that we've gotten from residents and businesses concerning an 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 existing use that would be affected by this? 99 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:16,960 >> Yeah, absolutely. 100 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 So I do have -- I have this slide towards the end. 101 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,320 We did mail 12 929 notices out, which go out to the affected property owners as well as 102 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,320 the affected businesses. 103 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,320 We did receive three in opposition. 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,360 Two of those were related to the -- Club K9 is the one that we received the most feedback 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,360 about. 106 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,720 Just to specify, these businesses are, per the ordinance, going to be deemed conforming 107 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,840 uses and allowed to continue as they are. 108 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,800 We're not going to go in and change any of their business activity, anything like that. 109 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,080 Again, I think we received one phone call regarding a different business, but Club K9 110 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,560 was the majority of the feedback that we received. 111 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,560 >> Okay. 112 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,560 Yeah. 113 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Thank you. 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,560 >> Yeah. 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:04,840 >> And you've talked with those businesses, like saying those words that you just said 116 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:05,840 to us? 117 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:06,840 >> Yes. 118 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:07,840 >> Okay. 119 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,040 >> There was, I believe, two letters I received that they didn't request feedback, so I didn't 120 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,200 reach back out to them, but there were two that I did receive feedback from, a request 121 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,040 for clarification on, and I reached out to those owners and we had that conversation 122 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,040 as well. 123 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,540 >> But they still are in opposition? 124 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:24,840 >> They didn't revise the letter they sent. 125 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:25,840 >> Okay. 126 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:26,840 >> They sounded like it was fine. 127 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,940 I do believe they'll be here to speak tonight. 128 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:34,400 I interpreted it and explained it as best as I could, under the impression that they're 129 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,120 all good, but knowing they'll be here tonight, I'm sure they'll speak on it. 130 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,120 >> Okay. 131 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Yeah. 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:47,360 >> Just to add to Bryce's comments, so one of the challenges that we have with what we 133 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,800 refer to as the 929 notice is state law requires us to put language on the notice. 134 00:06:53,800 --> 00:07:00,720 It's in 14 or 16-point bold that says basically your business may become nonconforming, and 135 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,600 so we try to provide some contextual information within the letter as well, so to Bryce's point, 136 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,960 having those conversations with those property owners or those businesses is really good, 137 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,400 so hopefully we can allay any concerns or fears. 138 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,700 Our intent is not to make them nonconforming, and we've been very cognizant as we've worked 139 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:21,400 on this proposed ordinance amendment taken into consideration where we currently allow 140 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,960 the businesses, because keep in mind, under our current definition, we classify them as 141 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,960 personal service. 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,240 It's kind of the stretch we've made, especially like the groomers, it's pretty obvious. 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,400 The folks that do the boarding, it's a little more challenging for us to -- and so we haven't 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,840 been able to really fully apply that, so we're just trying to do some cleanup also from that 145 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:46,160 perspective, but that notice that goes out, it can be very intimidating, even despite 146 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,080 us providing some additional contextual information for their benefit. 147 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,160 >> I believe the exact wording is you may lose the right to continue operating your 148 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,160 business. 149 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,200 It's a little bit miscommunicating. 150 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:02,360 >> Right, yeah, because I mean, the way that they word this, please do not close this business, 151 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,360 you know. 152 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,720 >> We have no intent, no plans to do that. 153 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:11,000 They're allowed to continue operating as they are, and that's -- that'll be that with the 154 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 proposal. 155 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 >> Thank you, Chair. 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Yeah, I think -- thank you for that additional background and reminding us of those notices. 157 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:27,440 I'm not heartbroken about this, but I did notice that at least in the case of Club Canine, 158 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,000 they are -- you know, the majority of their property is in our zone, but it's a split-zoned 159 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,800 property with some strip zoning that's R4. 160 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,440 Technically that means they're taking access through an R4 lot that doesn't allow this 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:46,700 even with an SUP, so my head starts spinning in the case where any modifications or anything 162 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:51,240 else would be desired by that business, and then thinking, does this apply to others? 163 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:58,800 So if there's something I'm missing of why that access through doesn't apply here, please 164 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 let me know. 165 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,520 If so, maybe there's something we can look at going forward after this to bring that 166 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,520 into conformance. 167 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,520 I don't know. 168 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,520 That's my thought. 169 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,340 >> So presumably they have a valid certificate of occupancy that allows them to operate today, 170 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:15,720 and so they are able to continue operating. 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,920 So even given the change we made to the DEC -- gosh, when was that, last year, maybe two 172 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,640 years ago, when we clarified the requirement of when you take access it has to be through 173 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,840 a zoning district that allows your property or that allows your use, they are still able 174 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,760 to continue operating as a nonconforming use. 175 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:38,120 If they ever decide to expand later on, make modifications, then we'll look to see what 176 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,640 is it at that time that they're doing to their property, but we will continue to respect 177 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,000 the fact that they are able to function as a nonconforming business. 178 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,620 Our intention is not to close anyone down. 179 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:53,320 To Bryce's point, nonconforming uses in our community, they're allowed to continue operating 180 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:59,800 in perpetuity unless the business closes their doors or the property owner ceases the use 181 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,160 for more than a year, then they lose that one particular use that's allowed under the 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,680 code, but they still benefit from all the other uses that are allowed in the zoning 183 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,680 district. 184 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:12,080 >> And with this specific ordinance, we do ensure they're considered conforming rather 185 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,160 than nonconforming, which basically, as my conversation with Hillary, is that if the 186 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,680 business were, God forbid, to burn down more than 50%, they would still be able to rebuild 187 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,560 that business as it exists today. 188 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,520 If they do any additions or any modifications in that sense, then they would have to bring 189 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,720 it up to standards with our 5.35 that would be proposed, but as it is, it would still 190 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,160 be a conforming business, per that definition. 191 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,160 >> Okay. 192 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,160 Great. 193 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Anything else? 194 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Okay. 195 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,160 Thank you very much. 196 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 >> Thank you. 197 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,400 >> I think that was our last item on the agenda. 198 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Before I close work session, you can see that Commissioner Cole is not here. 199 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,640 There was a new appointment for him. 200 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,480 He did term out and he was a holdover. 201 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,400 That new appointment, we will meet at our next meeting, but certainly, we thank Commissioner 202 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:10,720 Cole for his six-plus years of service with us and all he brought to the room. 203 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,160 So we appreciate that very much, and I'll mention that again in the public meeting. 204 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,720 I'll go ahead and close our work session at 5.42 p.m. and we will reconvene at 6.30 in 205 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:26,520 council chambers. 206 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,920 >> Good evening and welcome to the city planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, 207 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,500 September 25th, 2024. 208 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:37,960 With the quorum present, I'll call us to order at 6.30 p.m. 209 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,080 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags. 210 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:49,600 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic 211 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:57,240 for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for 212 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,240 all. 213 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:10,320 >> Honor the Texas flag, which is to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible. 214 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:17,720 >> First item on our agenda for consideration is the approval of our minutes for September 215 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,040 11th. 216 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,040 Commissioner Villarreal. 217 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,040 >> Move approval. 218 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,040 >> Thank you. 219 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,040 Commissioner Padron. 220 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,040 >> Second. 221 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,040 >> Okay. 222 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,040 We've got a first and a second. 223 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,040 Any discussion? 224 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Okay. 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Let's vote, please. 226 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,000 That motion carries 4-0. 227 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,040 That will take us to our items for individual consideration, the first one being 4A, FP2-40016. 228 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Aaron is second. 229 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,040 >> Second. 230 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,040 >> We have a second. 231 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,040 >> Okay. 232 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,040 We have a second. 233 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,040 >> Second. 234 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,040 >> We have a second. 235 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,040 >> Okay. 236 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,040 We have a second. 237 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,040 >> Second. 238 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,040 >> Okay. 239 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Let's vote, please. 240 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,720 That motion carries 4-0. 241 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:09,640 That will take us to our items for individual consideration, the first one being 4A, FP2-40016. 242 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Aaron is here for presentation. 243 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,040 Hi. 244 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,040 >> Hello. 245 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Aaron Stanley, assistant planner. 246 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:23,600 This is a final plat for Redbird Ridge addition, a 38.4-acre site generally south of Country 247 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Club Road, and this is for 17 residential lots and for HOA lots. 248 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,600 At this time, they've not met our criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to 249 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,560 the requested extension, which could be granted to October 23rd. 250 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:39,560 >> Thank you. 251 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:40,560 Any questions for Aaron? 252 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:41,560 Thank you. 253 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:42,560 Commissioner Villarreal. 254 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:49,440 >> We have approval of the requested extension to a date certain of October 23rd, 2024. 255 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,440 >> Thank you. 256 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Commissioner Pruitt. 257 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,440 >> Second. 258 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,960 >> Got a first and a second to grant their extension request to a date certain of October 259 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,600 23rd, 2024. 260 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,080 Any discussion? 261 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Okay. 262 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:07,360 Let's vote, please. 263 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,040 That motion carries for zero. 264 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,940 Our item that was listed on the agenda, item 4B, that item has been withdrawn by the applicant, 265 00:14:14,940 --> 00:14:17,520 so we will not be taking action there. 266 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,760 So that will take us to 4C, FP2-40010. 267 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Julie is here for presentation. 268 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:24,920 Hi, Julie. 269 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:25,920 >> Good evening. 270 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,920 Julie Wyatt. 271 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:34,600 And I am presenting a final plat for a multifamily development located just west of Mayhill Road, 272 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,800 north of Russell Newman. 273 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,840 This multifamily use was approved by a specific use permit. 274 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,760 They do have a couple of items they still need to work through in order to meet the 275 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,600 minimum technical requirements of the plat. 276 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,080 So staff is recommending denial. 277 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,280 However, we have no objection to the second extension request from the applicant. 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,360 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 279 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,360 >> Thank you, Julie. 280 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Any questions for Julie? 281 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Okay. 282 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,360 >> Thank you. 283 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:06,760 >> Thank you very much. 284 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:13,920 I'll go ahead and motion to grant the extension request to a date certain of October 23, 2024. 285 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,920 Commissioner Pedron? 286 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,920 >> Second. 287 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,920 >> Okay. 288 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,240 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension to a date certain of October 23, 289 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,240 2024. 290 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Discussion? 291 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,240 Okay. 292 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Please. 293 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,220 The motion carries 4-0. 294 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:36,280 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening. 295 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Item 5A, PD240004, staff is requesting this item be postponed until a date certain of 296 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,080 October the 9th. 297 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:51,120 So I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing and leave that public hearing open 298 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:59,000 and then look for a motion to postpone. 299 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Commissioner Villareal? 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,120 >> I move postponement to a date certain of October 9th, 2024. 301 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,120 >> Thank you. 302 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Commissioner Pruitt? 303 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,120 >> Second. 304 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,120 >> Okay. 305 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,960 We've got a first and a second to postpone this item to October 9th, 2024, leaving the 306 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,520 public hearing open. 307 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,520 Discussion? 308 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,520 Okay. 309 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Let's go ahead and vote, please. 310 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,760 The motion carries 4-0. 311 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,680 That will take us to item 5B, DCA240011. 312 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Bryce is here for presentation. 313 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,720 I will go ahead and open the public hearing. 314 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,720 >> Good evening, Commissioner. 315 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Bryce Van Arsdale, Assistant Planner. 316 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:47,160 This is DCA240011, related to the addition of commercial animal services. 317 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Currently, the DDC uses kennel and personal service grooming to capture most domestic 318 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,000 animal-related businesses. 319 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,080 However, as the market has developed, we often see businesses which include multiple uses 320 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,080 under one roof. 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,080 For instance, we'll see a doggie daycare, which in addition to the daycare use, will 322 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,960 also provide training, grooming or overnight boarding. 323 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,800 As we consider those sorts of businesses, I'll call your attention to the existing definitions 324 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:17,000 where we see in kennel, we have both overnight boarding as well as training, and then in 325 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,880 the personal service, general, we also include the pet grooming shops. 326 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,280 So, you can see that when we have multiple of these uses under one roof, it can be a 327 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,640 little bit murky for staff to interpret which regulations to apply. 328 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,720 Staff's proposing two additions to the development code. 329 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 There's commercial animal service indoor and commercial service outdoor. 330 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,560 The differentiation is going to be made within the use-specific standards. 331 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,120 Both of these definitions will apply to the grooming, training, boarding, adoption and 332 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,360 daycare of domestic animals. 333 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:51,360 I'm looking at the table of allowed uses. 334 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:56,000 You'll notice that kennel is removed as most of these businesses, of the proposed businesses, 335 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,760 will now fall under one of the commercial animal services. 336 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,920 Additionally, you'll note that the both commercial animal service indoor and outdoor follow a 337 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,200 very similar pattern to the veterinary clinic-allowed zoning districts. 338 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,560 The major difference being that the commercial animal service outdoor is not allowed in the 339 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,680 MN or MD zoning districts. 340 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,920 With these specific standards, they are rather wordy, but there are some key takeaways that 341 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,040 I'd like for you to get from this slide. 342 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,160 First, with residential adjacency, we do establish distance minimums as well as time requirements 343 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,800 on the outdoor elements that are allowed and adjacent to a residential zoning district. 344 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Additionally, you'll note under the commercial animal service indoor definition is where 345 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,200 we make the differentiation between the indoor and outdoor definitions. 346 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,040 More than 50% of a proposed business may be outdoor if the business will be proposed as 347 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,920 an indoor land use. 348 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,960 Additionally, no provision is intended to prevent the use of an outdoor area for animal 349 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,640 relief or the provision of that area. 350 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,480 With the definitions to commercial stable as well as personal service general, you'll 351 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,240 note that both of these are fairly minor in nature, just some clarifying language. 352 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,000 As previously discussed, we do remove the kennel definition. 353 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,880 With these specific standards, we do make two minor additions to the veterinary clinic. 354 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,580 These are both related to livestock veterinary care on site, which we do know is rare and 355 00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:25,720 typically these animals are treated on their home property. 356 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,880 However, we do feel that these are important for the businesses to be protected in those 357 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,880 areas. 358 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,140 With the minimum required off-street parking, you'll note that the commercial animal services 359 00:19:38,140 --> 00:19:42,640 are both lumped into one category and these are consistent with the veterinary clinic, 360 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,680 one space per 500 square feet of gross floor area. 361 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,960 We did send out 12 929 notices per state requirements. 362 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,880 We received three in opposition and one in favor. 363 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,820 On the right side, you'll see the businesses that received this notice. 364 00:19:58,820 --> 00:20:03,000 These businesses are, per the ordinance, going to be considered as conforming businesses 365 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,760 and will be allowed to continue their use as they are today and there will be no effect 366 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,140 from this proposal to their operation of their business as they stand today. 367 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:19,120 This update does meet the criteria for approval set out in section 2.7d and staff does recommend 368 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,480 approval of this proposal as it does meet those criteria for approval. 369 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,480 I'll stand for any questions. 370 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,240 Thank you, Bryce. 371 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Questions? 372 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,840 Bryce, I guess I've got a quick question as you called out these businesses that would 373 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,400 be allowed to continue running as they are today. 374 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,560 That's not actually in this ordinance, though, correct? 375 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,800 It's not written in the ordinance. 376 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Is that? 377 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,800 The specific businesses? 378 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,800 Yes, ma'am. 379 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,000 It's going to be in the actual legal numbers. 380 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Yes, ma'am. 381 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Excellent. 382 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 That's what I wanted to know. 383 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Thank you. 384 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,560 Other questions for Bryce? 385 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,560 Okay. 386 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,560 Thank you. 387 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,560 This is a public hearing. 388 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,560 I do have a few cards in front of me. 389 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:06,120 First one being Charles Lee. 390 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:07,120 Good evening. 391 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,680 If you'll state your name, your time will begin. 392 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,680 Good evening. 393 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,040 My name is Charles Lee. 394 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:18,280 I just want to say that I'm against this proposal because as far as I know, there has been no 395 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,120 complaints against these businesses at all, zero complaints. 396 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:26,800 I don't understand why we're trying to create a whole new regulatory system on businesses 397 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,080 that the community is not complaining there's any problem or issues that's going on. 398 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,920 This is just look like you're just trying to do a sledgehammer to the regulatory system 399 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,760 on the people for no good reason at all. 400 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,440 If there was complaints and things of that nature, then I would see, I understand there 401 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,800 might be need for regulations. 402 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:52,000 It just completely flies in the face of self-governance because this country is based on the principle 403 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 of self-governance. 404 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:00,000 It wasn't just like self-government away from Britain, but it was also individual self-government 405 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,640 that everybody governs themselves and as long as I'm not causing any problems with my neighbor, 406 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,240 the government should just stay out of my business. 407 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,600 I don't understand why you're just creating a whole system for no good reason at all. 408 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,880 I just find it personally objectable and that's pretty much all I have to say. 409 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:25,040 I move for this not to be approved at all, thank you. 410 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,940 Thank you Mr. Lee for sharing your thoughts. 411 00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:34,200 Next card I have is Bobby Self. 412 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,200 Hello there. 413 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,720 If you'll give us your name, your time will begin, you'll have four minutes. 414 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:45,320 Okay, my name is Bobby Self, 7800 East McKinney, Club K9. 415 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Now I'm trying to find it because I didn't find it over there, but I got it right here. 416 00:22:48,960 --> 00:23:02,880 If you'd like to put the eye on the sky on it, there it is right there. 417 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,880 Thank you. 418 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,880 I'm going to ask Cathy to check. 419 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Oh, okay. 420 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,880 That's okay. 421 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,880 I can just read it. 422 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,880 I can just read it. 423 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,880 It's cool. 424 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,880 But it's from y'all's paper. 425 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,880 They just did it. 426 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:18,480 Okay, yes, I agree with others as well. 427 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:25,060 But the verbiage, let's try to reduce the verbiage or get with whomever in the state 428 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:33,820 level through our mayor, city manager, whomever and push up because when we receive information 429 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:37,800 such as this, the City of Denton Planning Zoning Commission is holding a hearing that 430 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:44,640 will determine whether you may lose the right to continue using your property for its current 431 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,480 use. 432 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,360 Now this is, I'm told it's from the state level. 433 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,760 It's nothing that you could have done or nothing that possibly come from our departments 434 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:03,200 here in the city, but that really put a burden on us mentally. 435 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,880 Okay, well anyway, yeah, I like the comment. 436 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,760 I really did. 437 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,440 We do need a little bit of self-governing and if it's just a title change, that's great. 438 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:21,240 But if it jumps into where you have to be licensed and such as that, that might get 439 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 a little bit crazy down the road. 440 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,640 But overall, I can deal with it because it's just like the hot dog guy. 441 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,320 You don't sell a good hot dog, you're not going to get a repeat customer. 442 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:39,040 So I think if we're in business this long, a little verbiage change here and there, that 443 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,760 would be all right for me. 444 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,640 But if it gets into licensing and such as that, I don't know about all that. 445 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,560 But anyway, thank you. 446 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,960 Thank you very much. 447 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,360 Tina, I'm going to call on you because this did come up in work session and we're going 448 00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:01,340 to go ahead and yeah, just clarify here at this meeting if you could about the notices 449 00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:04,560 that we do have to give out. 450 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Yes. 451 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:12,160 So the letter that we had to send you with the language and the bold font is actually 452 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,340 a requirement of state law. 453 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:20,040 We try to add additional information in the letter to hopefully address resident concerns 454 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,200 or property owner concerns, but I don't disagree with you that that language is pretty tough 455 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,560 when it says that you may lose the right to your business or the ability to utilize your 456 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,560 property with the ordinance amendment that we're doing this evening. 457 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:41,720 As Bryce mentioned at the beginning in his presentation, we realized that there are businesses 458 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:48,560 that provide boarding services as well as many other services for domestic animals that 459 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:55,520 we're having difficulty making a determination in our current zoning regulations about where 460 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:02,000 to allow those businesses to occur because our zoning ordinance references if you're 461 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,680 providing grooming services, so that's pretty clear, but being that the services that are 462 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:15,220 available for animals today have expanded, I myself am a user of similar type services, 463 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:18,920 we needed to clean up our ordinance to be able to help better address that. 464 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,440 So we've also included language in our proposed ordinance where our existing businesses would 465 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:31,120 be determined to be conforming so you would not fall into a non-conforming situation, 466 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:38,140 and Bryce, keep me honest on this, but so we've tried to recognize that with our existing 467 00:26:38,140 --> 00:26:42,120 businesses that we've put some additional protections in place to allow you to continue 468 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,800 operating and be conforming in accordance with the zoning. 469 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:54,080 But that letter, my apologies, we're required to send that out and it is not friendly wording 470 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,520 unfortunately, so like I said, my apologies, but we have to follow state law and hence 471 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120 why that letter has to be sent that way. 472 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,600 Thank you, Tina, I did an explanation. 473 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680 Commissioner Prude, I did see your name, did you need to speak? 474 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,080 I think I'll hold it until we've heard the rest of the public hearing. 475 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Okay, very good. 476 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720 So this is a public hearing, I don't have any other cards in front of me, but is there 477 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,120 anyone else wishing to speak? 478 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:21,880 Sure, come on forward. 479 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,160 You can fill out a card afterward and if you'll give us your name, your time will begin. 480 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,160 Hi. 481 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,520 Hi, my name is Bruce Brown and I have a commercial property on Market Street property for one 482 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,720 of my tenants, Collar Clubs Academy has been there three and a half years and trains dogs 483 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,960 at that area and I've read the rules and regulations that you've come up with and it is air conditioned. 484 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,960 One rule that they have is you cannot expand the property even though you have an existing 485 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,600 business, if you grow, unless you own all the buildings next to you, you own it personally, 486 00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:02,360 you can't expand and I'm trying to accommodate my tenant as she has more growth coming along. 487 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,280 Where can I put her, expand her business? 488 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:11,360 You now have a rule in the stipulation where the training area, it has to be 150 feet away 489 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,760 from any commercial property. 490 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,320 Now, I have nine acres in that location, so I have an area where they do train and it's 491 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:25,360 150 feet away from any commercial property, but if you add up the size of that building, 492 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:31,680 which is a 40 by, excuse me, it's a 60 by 75 and you add a 150 foot requirement on each 493 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,640 side that would require over three acres of land. 494 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,240 If I didn't have a facility where she could train, I'd have to have over three acres of 495 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,920 land on that size building with that requirement, so I don't know how anybody else is going 496 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040 to get in the kennel business in the city limits if they're going to have to have three 497 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:54,840 acres of land for that, but my request is with my tenant, can I expand the property 498 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,240 because whether she has 4,000 square feet or 8,000 square feet would make no difference 499 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:07,600 since she's got the training area with 150 foot away from any commercial property. 500 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,000 Am I making sense? 501 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:18,080 Possibly, and I'll get staff in on this to see if they can add for us and if they understand 502 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,280 what you're asking and what you're asking for clarification on. 503 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,960 Yeah, Bryce, that'd be great. 504 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,960 Thank you. 505 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,960 Thank you. 506 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Absolutely. 507 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,520 So, I believe the 150 foot requirement, which is being mentioned, is in the use of specific 508 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,520 standards. 509 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,800 It is when it's adjacent to or within 1,000 feet of a residential zoning district. 510 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,640 I'm not familiar with the exact parcel that we're talking about in this instance. 511 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,680 It's something that we put in that is common for other municipalities and things of that 512 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:51,960 sort to regulate both sound, stench, noise, and just general clean air, as well as the 513 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,440 litter that can come with some of these areas. 514 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Right. 515 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,640 This is adjacent to residential zoning district. 516 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,640 It's adjacent to a residential zoning district. 517 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Right. 518 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,640 Okay. 519 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,920 And your question had to do with other commercial properties? 520 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:13,680 If you could come up to the microphone, yeah, we're recording, so we need. 521 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,440 The requirement, and correct me if I'm wrong, you have to have a training area or a exercise 522 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,080 area that has to be 150 feet away from any commercial property. 523 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080 No, sir. 524 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,080 So, if you're within, if you're adjacent to- 525 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,080 Bryce, I need you at the mic. 526 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,080 Thanks. 527 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,080 If you're adjacent to a residential zoning district, that's when that requirement would 528 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,080 kick in. 529 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,800 It does not relate to commercial areas or commercial properties. 530 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,560 It's only when adjacent to a residential zoning district. 531 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,880 There's no 150-foot minimum? 532 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,280 Not if we're referring to a commercial zoning district, no, sir. 533 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Okay. 534 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,280 All right. 535 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,280 Now, it does state- Oh, I need the microphone. 536 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200 It does state they cannot expand their business? 537 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,240 No, sir. 538 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,400 I'm not sure which portion you're referring to, but as it exists today, assuming that it 539 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,560 exists, well, first of all, the business will be a conforming use, so the business is allowed 540 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,560 to operate as it is. 541 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:13,280 When it comes to expansion, they will be required to meet these additional use-specific standards 542 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,520 that we're setting forth, but if you're adjacent, there's only, again, one adjacent to a residential 543 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,520 zoning district. 544 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,600 It doesn't have to do, you can see on the screen here, this is when located inside over 545 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,800 within 1,000 feet of a residential zoning district. 546 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,880 There's no specific standard for one adjacent to a commercial zoning district. 547 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Okay, thank you. 548 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,600 I guess with one thing he mentioned, I'm not sure if the business that we're discussing 549 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,520 is on the list. 550 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,840 It is on the list? 551 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,840 Yes. 552 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Okay. 553 00:31:50,840 --> 00:32:00,600 In regard to expansion, it is a conforming use, so would the business be allowed to expand? 554 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880 It would need to adhere to the new use-specific standards that are being set forth. 555 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,240 The difference in non-conforming and conforming in this situation are that if a business were 556 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:16,520 in our non-conforming use standards, I believe it's chapter 1.6, we do require that if a 557 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,440 business that's non-conforming burns down or is destroyed more than 50%, they're not 558 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,840 able to rebuild that without being brought up to current standards. 559 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,320 However, these being deemed conforming uses, if that building, or God forbid something 560 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,600 were to happen in that instance, the business would be able to reconstruct as it was originally 561 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,600 constructed. 562 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Or in this situation, just want to expand because business is booming and they want 563 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,240 to expand. 564 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,520 They would be allowed to expand, but would have to then adhere to whatever, yeah, those 565 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,240 use-specific standards that are in this ordinance. 566 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,240 Yes, ma'am. 567 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,240 Okay. 568 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,520 Thank you for the explanation. 569 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,000 This is a public hearing. 570 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,680 I don't have any more cards, but if there's anyone wishing to speak, yes, please come 571 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,400 down and if you will state your name, your four minutes will begin. 572 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,400 Hello. 573 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,400 Hi. 574 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Yes, ma'am. 575 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,400 My name's Kendra Angel. 576 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,160 I own Shed Pet Salon at the corner of Elm, and we've been in business for three years. 577 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,720 Everything's been going real well. 578 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:21,120 I do have dogs that are older, and I worry about them when they stay other places like 579 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,960 in a typical kennel situation, so I've talked to zoning and everything. 580 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:34,280 We're moving to 820 this week, and then I got this notice, so it scared me, but I talked 581 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:41,480 to them about doing boarding, in-home boarding to expand to maybe 10 dogs max, but we're 582 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680 still continuing the grooming downstairs. 583 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,480 Is this going to affect my business? 584 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,480 Okay. 585 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,680 I'm going to bring Bryce up, our expert here, to answer that question hopefully. 586 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,680 Yes, ma'am. 587 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,760 Since the new definitions will refer to grooming, you will fall under either commercial animal 588 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880 services indoor, it sounds like that's what you'll be, or potentially commercial animal 589 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,880 services outdoor. 590 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600 So you'll fall under one of those two definition categories. 591 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Yes, ma'am. 592 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Okay. 593 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,600 Thank you. 594 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,600 Thank you. 595 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Thank you, Bryce. 596 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,600 Yeah. 597 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,600 Okay. 598 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:27,920 Before we hear any more speakers, Tina did a little research on our speaker before this, 599 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,040 so we'll just shed a little bit more light there. 600 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:37,240 So the property that is at, I think I caught the address, 3822 Market Street, is that correct? 601 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:41,360 So in looking at that, you're surrounded by commercial zoning. 602 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,360 So you do not have any residential adjacent zoned properties. 603 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,140 So again, as Bryce explained earlier, that minimum 150 foot separation requirement comes 604 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:57,320 into play when your property is adjacent to or within 150 feet of a residential zone property. 605 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,540 So in your case, you're surrounded by commercial zoning. 606 00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:03,640 Thank you very much, Tina. 607 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,140 This is a public hearing. 608 00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:09,520 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item who has not already? 609 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,520 Okay. 610 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,880 I was having another question, but we don't really know how to answer that. 611 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,880 You know what? 612 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,440 I'm going to let you, you come up and ask the question. 613 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,440 How's that? 614 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,480 And then we'll see if we can get you an answer. 615 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,480 Right. 616 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,720 Or within the newest residential areas going into, they have disturbed the ground. 617 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:36,440 They are going to build half a million dollar homes and by the 500s of them. 618 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Do we meet that thousand foot? 619 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,960 150 or a thousand? 620 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,920 So it's a thousand feet to win, is when that requirement does kick in. 621 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,600 As you exist today, we are not going to ask that you change anything. 622 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,800 Whether you're within that or not, you are, as you exist today, deemed a conforming use. 623 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,800 We're all good. 624 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200 We're going to come in and make you change anything. 625 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,200 All good. 626 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,200 Thank you. 627 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,200 Thank you very much. 628 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,200 Thank you. 629 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,200 Okay. 630 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,560 Anyone else wishing to speak on this public hearing? 631 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,600 Okay. 632 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Seeing none. 633 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,680 I will go ahead and close the public hearing. 634 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:17,800 I will go ahead and open the dais for a motion or discussion. 635 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,800 Commissioner Perrett. 636 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,680 Thank you, chair. 637 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,880 Brief question for staff, just to make sure everybody leaves today with a good understanding 638 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,260 so that when we show up at council, there's no confusion. 639 00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:35,280 The example that we had one commenter talk about, I think it was more toward the center 640 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,360 of town, might have some boarding. 641 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,720 The answer you gave was assuming that that boarding would be inside boarding, that there 642 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,440 wouldn't be an outdoor play area for the pets. 643 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,840 Is that your understanding as well? 644 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,880 Am I correct in interpreting that? 645 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,320 Sure, just based on the very brief conversation we just had, I would assume that would hit 646 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,680 the indoor definition. 647 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:07,640 Again, we do have some zoning districts that allow the outdoor primary use if that is what 648 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,640 is proposed. 649 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,640 Okay. 650 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Thank you. 651 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Yeah. 652 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:20,680 I'm thankful for staff bringing this and I'm happy to keep going on it. 653 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:31,440 I will say that my guess is less than the majority of these types of businesses right 654 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:39,080 now are actually conforming, and so we have a lot of reasons why expansion would be made 655 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:46,480 more complicated, whether it be parking minimums or setbacks or et cetera. 656 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:58,400 I think these are reasonable restrictions though, and so let's see how it goes. 657 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:08,040 It makes me a little scared that there's SUPs required in seemingly a lot of cases for situations 658 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:19,120 where we want our pets and our animals, especially in light of recent situations, to be able 659 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,440 to have access to exercise and that sort of thing. 660 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:31,280 We'll see where this goes, but I don't see this as a large departure from how the old 661 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,920 regulations would have been attempted to been applied. 662 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,120 I see it more as a clarification. 663 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:46,080 With that said, I continue to see with our code that people are generally restricted 664 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:52,760 from expansion by nature of the last time they did construction was 20 years ago and 665 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,680 we had a different zoning code then with different requirements. 666 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400 So that, yeah, thank you. 667 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,400 Sure. 668 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:07,560 Anything else, discussion or a motion? 669 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,320 I'll go ahead and move approval on this item. 670 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,320 Commission approve it? 671 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,320 Okay. 672 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160 Got a first and a second for approval discussion. 673 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,080 I'll go ahead and take a moment. 674 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,440 First of all, thanks staff. 675 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:28,840 Bryce, I think your information was extremely thorough, your attention to detail, the knowledge 676 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:35,280 that you have gained in putting this together has been tremendous and certainly helps us 677 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,160 understand exactly what's going on here. 678 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,640 Thank you for sharing your thoughts, everyone. 679 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,720 I wish that, and it's not just me, I'm sure staff wishes that those scary notices that 680 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,820 we are required to go out, it didn't have to go out, truly staff has no, there's no 681 00:39:54,820 --> 00:40:01,900 option to do that, we'd be sued by the state if it was found out that we were not adhering 682 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:07,000 to that, nobody wants that, we've got to do it. 683 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:14,000 So unfortunately, yes, that mental anguish that unfortunately that you had to endure 684 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,880 and sorry about that, we hope that with the communication that you were able to have with 685 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:29,640 staff who's always available, always, to talk to the public, anybody on staff in this department, 686 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,960 probably throughout our city, but this is the department that I'm most familiar with, 687 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:41,160 will be willing to talk you through any questions that you have when things like this come up. 688 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:47,520 Secondly, I understand the confusion, I understand the thoughts of yes, we should govern ourselves 689 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,440 in a world that we could do that. 690 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,920 The other thing that this does, it's not really just governance, it's what our vice chair 691 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:02,220 already mentioned with clarifying things, you know, the world of animals has done nothing 692 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:03,800 but grown. 693 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,760 How people take care of their animals and what they want for their animals with dog, 694 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:17,160 with daycare and grooming and everything and you know, it's just done nothing but grow, 695 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,000 which is wonderful, but that means there's more businesses that want to do this and we 696 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,160 have things in our code that doesn't allow staff to right now know how to guide these 697 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,160 people. 698 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,720 We don't have it defined, we've got it in descriptions where it doesn't belong like 699 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:38,160 personal grooming services, you know, it's something that does need to be clarified so 700 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,140 that not only our existing businesses, which staff has done an exceptional job calling 701 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:51,240 out and making conforming, but it does allow these new businesses to come in and know exactly, 702 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:57,300 you know, what they need to be doing for the animal business that they're in. 703 00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:00,320 So thank you again for coming out. 704 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,800 Commissioner Pruitt, I saw you, yep, go ahead. 705 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:10,200 Yeah, just wanted to point out and staff has more accurate dates, feel free to correct 706 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,580 me, but I don't think we have city manager's representation. 707 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:21,480 I know council in general gives direction for the state legislative priorities at some 708 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:27,160 time before the state legislative session starts. 709 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:34,960 My advice would be to look on the council agendas for that happening at work session 710 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,440 times, sometime at the end of the year or the beginning of next year. 711 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,440 Thank you for that. 712 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaking of, I understand, but thank you for coming tonight. 713 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:54,520 And also, can we get the date that this is going to council? 714 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,000 We have not scheduled this yet for city council's consideration. 715 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Okay. 716 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000 All right. 717 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,400 So it will be on their agenda, should, depending on what happens here, I suppose. 718 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,600 And I was going to add, if any of the business representations or representatives that are 719 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,840 here this evening want to give your email address or phone number, your contact information 720 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,320 to Bryce, we can follow up with you and let you know when once that is scheduled. 721 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,040 Yes, that's a great idea. 722 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,040 Thank you very much. 723 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,040 Do you know? 724 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,040 Okay. 725 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,120 We've got a first and a second for approval. 726 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,480 Any other discussion? 727 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,480 Okay. 728 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:33,560 Let's go ahead and vote, please. 729 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,740 That motion carries for zero moving that on to council. 730 00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:41,200 Thank you, Bryce, for being available here. 731 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,400 Appreciate that. 732 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,840 Next on our agenda is the planning and zoning matrix. 733 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,560 I'll go ahead and turn that over to Tina. 734 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,040 Thank you, Chair Ellis. 735 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,320 So regarding the matrix itself, I just wanted to let the commission know one of the things 736 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,360 that we are actually going to add to the matrix and it's sort of a follow up from a request 737 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,140 that Chair Ellis had made regarding some data related to multifamily. 738 00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:07,760 So we're going to add a discussion item for work session consideration to the matrix. 739 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,760 We are looking at having that at your second meeting in October and being able to present 740 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,760 that data. 741 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:20,480 So you'll see that being added in terms of city council's actions on cases that you've 742 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,520 seen from since your last meeting back on September 17th. 743 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,280 We had a very generous agenda with items on there. 744 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,440 So happy to report the adoption of the downtown, or the design downtown Denton plan. 745 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,320 Make sure I call it by the correct name. 746 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,160 Council unanimously approved the plan. 747 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,320 I know the planning and zoning commission spent a lot of time and effort with that. 748 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,960 And Zoe, thank you for all of your involvement as well as the community's involvement in 749 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,120 the preparation of that plan because we did some extensive public engagement on that. 750 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,120 But that was approved. 751 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,800 So now we look forward to working on implementing the recommendations from the plan. 752 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,060 Other items that we had that evening. 753 00:45:01,060 --> 00:45:07,280 If you recall, there were two historic or excuse me, a historic landmark designation 754 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,800 items that one was at 1526 Willowwood. 755 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,740 The other one was at 1900 Westridge Street. 756 00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:17,920 Those were both approved also unanimously by city council. 757 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,480 Then we also had a specific use permit for multifamily use on 2.4 acres of land that 758 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,960 was on the south side of North Elm, approximately 560 feet east of Riney Road. 759 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,920 If you recall, this track was kind of triangular shape backs up to a city regional detention 760 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,460 pond. 761 00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:42,140 So that was also approved by city council. 762 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:47,480 And then also we had the amending specific use permit for the multifamily project that 763 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,700 was at the southeast corner of Locust and loop 288. 764 00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:56,080 And if I'm not mistaken correctly, north of Hercules drive. 765 00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,000 That was also approved by city council. 766 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:07,960 And then short term rentals that continues to live on but a couple of updates as it relates 767 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,960 to that. 768 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,320 So last night, we were hoping to have council's consideration of that. 769 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,400 There's a public notice requirement that we did not satisfy that we're required to do 770 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,400 per state law. 771 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,020 So we wanted to get that corrected. 772 00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:26,240 So we asked council to go ahead and continue the short term rentals discussion to the October 773 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,480 22nd meeting. 774 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,840 So we will have our formal public hearing of that proposed ordinance at that time. 775 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,400 Before then, though, on October 15th, we will have a work session discussion with city council 776 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,520 soon it's been quite some time since the ordinance was originally acted on on July 23rd that 777 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,080 resulted in the tie vote. 778 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,480 So for those of you that are interested in short term rentals, whether you're here in 779 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,640 the audience or maybe watching at home, I would encourage you to listen to the council 780 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,600 meeting on October 15th again during their work session. 781 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,520 And then anybody that wants to provide comments related to the ordinance may do so on October 782 00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,520 22nd. 783 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:06,160 So and then lastly, I would also like to thank former Commissioner Jason Cole, who's usually 784 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,440 sitting at the very end of our dais here. 785 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,160 So want to thank him for all of his years of service. 786 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,400 I know he spent six years on the Planning and Zoning Commission and always provided very 787 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,800 thoughtful consideration of requests being brought before him and was a wonderful person 788 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,320 to be able to work with and get to know. 789 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,400 So we thank you for your service if you're watching at home. 790 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,720 And that concludes my report. 791 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,640 Thank you so much. 792 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,400 Commissioner really real. 793 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,400 Thank you, Chair. 794 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,400 Thank you, Tina. 795 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,960 Just a quick question on the downtown area plan. 796 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,800 I was only able to catch a brief segment of the city council meeting on it. 797 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,760 I know there was discussion at the meeting about the pool and the auditorium was that 798 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600 changed at all in the final plan or the plan passed? 799 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,600 We had passed it. 800 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,720 The plan passed as the Planning and Zoning Commission had recommended. 801 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,800 So there was no changes made to the plan document itself. 802 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,040 There's always interest in the continued interest in the community with respect to the swimming 803 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,040 pool. 804 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:07,120 And so this plan included a couple of alternatives as the commission had seen, but as Parks Department 805 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:12,360 continues working on refining the plan for Quaker Town Park, they will have an extensive 806 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,400 public engagement process that they undertake at that time. 807 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,360 So persons are able to work with the Parks Department, provide comments and feedback 808 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,200 related to the pool, because I know many people within the community are emotionally attached 809 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:31,360 to that pool facility, but all of the elements that are actually in that park plan, there 810 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,900 will be another phase of the park planning for the Quaker Town Park property. 811 00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:43,760 And so all of those items will be re-discussed, not just the swimming pool itself, but the 812 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,120 entire park plan layout at such point in time when the city is ready to do those improvements. 813 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,120 Thank you. 814 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,120 Absolutely. 815 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,120 Thank you. 816 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,180 Is there anything to add to the matrix? 817 00:48:56,180 --> 00:49:06,600 Concluding items, I'll go ahead and state what Tina has already, and that is to thank 818 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,400 Commissioner Cole for his time with us. 819 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,760 He did serve his three terms and a little bit over that as a holdover, and we very much 820 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,960 appreciate the time and dedication that he gave to the role. 821 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,640 It was certainly a pleasure to serve with him. 822 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,440 So thank you, Commissioner Cole. 823 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,200 Very much appreciate you. 824 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,200 Commissioner Villarreal. 825 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,880 Just wanted to say ditto. 826 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,920 We didn't always agree, but Commissioner Cole was always a positive presence on the board, 827 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,800 and I know he'll be missed by everyone on the commission. 828 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,800 Great energy. 829 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,800 Yeah. 830 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,800 Thank you very much. 831 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,800 Anything else? 832 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,800 Concluding items? 833 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,800 Okay. 834 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,680 With that, go ahead and adjourn our meeting at 7.08 p.m. 835 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,280 Thank you very much.