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 We are here for our City of Denton Mobility Committee, Wednesday, September 25th, 10 a.m.

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 Council Work Session Room.

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 We do have a quorum here this morning.

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 Citizen comments on agenda items.

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 Do we have any citizen's comments on the agenda items?

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 No comments on the agenda item.

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 We're going to move on to number two.

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 Items for individual consideration.

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 Consider approval of the minutes.

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 Has everyone gone through the minutes?

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 Can we get a motion for approval for the minutes?

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 I so move.

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 Of August 28th.

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 Second.

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 Second.

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 I'll approve.

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 Say aye.

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 Aye.

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 All right.

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 Unanimous consent on that.

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 Thank you.

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 I move on to BMC 24-030, receive a report and all the discussion regarding the downtown

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 parking study summary findings.

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 May I please remind us that this is contained to a 25 minute conversation.

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 Thank you.

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 We all know why.

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 I was looking at the cheese.

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 Good morning.

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 Can y'all hear me?

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 I think I have to talk into this thing.

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 So if you'll recall while we're getting it pulled up, it's been a minute since we talked

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 about parking.

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 We were here last month.

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 My colleague Natalie had talked about the scope of the project.

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 Some of our study methodology and some findings.

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 She was otherwise committed today so you get me, sorry.

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 So what I want to do is not rehash what she talked about.

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 At the last committee meeting, there was some talk of if there were questions to send them

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 to the chair.

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 I didn't get any myself, but if you have any on what was presented last time, I will do

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 my best.

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 What I thought we would do then is continue where we left off.

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 I've got one slide that kind of rehashes what we talked about and then we'll talk about

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 some strategies which we didn't really have time to talk about last time.

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 We'll discuss those.

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 I'm Josh.

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 Nice to meet you.

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 So the study area that we looked at, we drew a line around downtown is about 2762 public

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 available city controlled spaces.

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 So we did a utilization and turnover study in October of last year and found that Denton,

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 if you look, downtown Denton, if you look at it on the whole, has enough supply to meet

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 the demand.

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 Now, of course, there are parts of downtown that are more in demand than others.

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 So the peak parking utilization occurred on the weekend, which probably doesn't come as

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 a surprise to a lot of folks.

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 The other thing that's probably not surprising is the street parking and parking lots closest

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 to the square had the highest parking utilization.

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 It was highest on street compared to off street and we showed you all those numbers last time.

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 I think those slides are probably in your packet.

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 If you want to go back and look at them, we also have the slides, I think, available electronically.

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 And then the last thing we looked at, the existing, not only can it accommodate current

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 demand, but the existing study area could accommodate, I think there were four developments

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 that were definitely in the hopper that we looked at and made sure we could accommodate

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 those.

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 So that was a quick rehash of what we talked about last time.

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 So what we also did in the study is lay out some near term, long, near term, mid term

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 and long term strategies.

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 I'm just going to, I think, focus on near term today.

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 That was, that was my charge.

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 If we want to take extra time, we can talk about some of the mid term and long term as

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 well.

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 But I, this group was talkative last time, so maybe we'll just talk about the near term

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 strategies.

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 So yeah.

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 There are some, and I'll talk about why we call them near term, but increasing and enhancing

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 static signage.

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 And I, and I realize, I think about this every time I come into Denton, cause I'm coming

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 in from Plano and coming off Dallas and Bell.

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 And the first sign I see, I think is at Hickory and it says parking left, right or straight.

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 And so that, that's just one example and the, and the sign is relatively small.

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 So it's, I don't want to pick on that one sign, but in a sort of sign rehab program,

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 you would look at the size of the signs, the color of the signs.

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 There are standard METCD signs for this.

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 And then also strategizing where you want to direct people.

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 The general, it's kind of like a parking garage, you want to try to, or a Ikea, you want to

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 direct people to where you, where the underutilized parts of the, of Denton, because they obviously

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 know where parking is at the square.

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 So show them where parking isn't first, that kind of strategy.

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 And then just more of that signage and enhanced.

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 If you go to other cities that have very formalized parking programs, you know, the signs might,

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 you might have parking programs that signs that show fluorescent yellow signs.

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 So wherever you are in Denton, just kind of look around and it won't be hard to identify

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 where the parking supply is.

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 Implement time limits and restrictions.

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 There is some of that already, but obviously the general idea is that you want parking

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 to turn over most often in the places where all of your businesses are and where the highest

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 parking demand is.

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 So on the square, for example, you allow that parking to turn over every, you decide, it

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 could be every 15 minutes, every hour.

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 But generally what that allows is parking supply for other people to use it.

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 And it will also increase the business receipts of the people there, because you're just allowing

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 more people access to those businesses.

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 What we've found, what many people have found, historically across the country is you increase

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 parking turnover, it helps businesses out.

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 Now one thing, one side effect that that can have is the businesses have employees, those

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 employees need to park somewhere.

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 And sometimes if you implement these parking restrictions, parking time restrictions and

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 have pretty strict enforcement, it's a hardship for them.

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 So what we can also consider is assigning parking locations.

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 The same goes for residents, if you have residents downtown, but for the employees.

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 Assign a place for them to park regardless of where they are downtown.

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 You could even have them park in time-limited lots, for example, and give them placards.

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 So maybe it's a 30-minute lot, but they have a mirror hanger that says they can park all

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 day.

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 The time limits are not as, I'll talk about this in a second, but the time limits have

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 minimal effectiveness.

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 If you don't have enforcement, that goes without saying, so you can put up all kinds of signage,

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 but unless you have people actually enforcing that, they'll be of limited use.

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 For the parking locations, we have some examples of it.

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 City of Plano has sort of an informal employee parking program.

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 They have some lots identified around downtown where employees are supposed to park.

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 So enforcing parking is an obvious near-term strategy.

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 Whether to enforce is one decision, and then how you enforce is another, and by how I mean

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 whether you do it yourselves or with a third-party parking enforcement company.

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 But they are there to try to enforce the time limits that you have.

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 If you wanted to consider paid parking, they would also enforce that.

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 Got one more slide, I think, on the near-term strategies.

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 Maybe moving the needle less, but accommodating TNCs, and I realized when I went through the

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 dry run that I need to define what TNCs are.

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 It's a transportation network company.

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 It's a silly term that traffic engineers use for Uber and Lyft, so it's ride-hailing.

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 But essentially what you're trying to do is reduce demand.

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 If you make it very visible to everybody that there's a nice, safe, curbside place where

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 Ubers and Lyfts can drop off their passengers, maybe they'll take it rather than take in

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 their own car.

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 Adopting a regular schedule for data collection and performance tracking, I forget exactly

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 what the saying is, but if you don't track it, you won't know what your performance is.

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 Somebody help me with that saying.

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 If you don't define it, you can't track it.

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 Anyway, the point is, you invested in the study that the city and us did.

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 It helps if you do that regularly, so you can track travel behavior, how people are

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 traveling in Denton, how you can react, but most importantly, you can measure the effectiveness

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 of the strategies that you do implement.

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 And then finally, updating parking standards, and I think this is going to be more of a

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 focus of the city-wide study, that's a separate effort going on right now, but that goes back

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 to the reduction of demand.

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 If you can change the amount of parking that you require developments to provide, and couple

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 that with improving mobility through other modes, just like the TNCs, you're getting

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 people to arrive downtown without having a car with them, so reduces your need for parking.

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 The reason we picked all of these as near-term strategies is, generally, they don't cost

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 a heck of a lot, and they can be implemented relatively quickly.

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 Those are sort of relative terms.

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 The exceptions to that, of course, are parking enforcement.

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 If you don't have a program already, that can be an investment, whether you're investing

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 in your own staff and vehicles, or you're investing in a company to do it.

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 And then doing that regular performance tracking.

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 You have to hire a company, we had to hire a company to go collect that data, unless

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 you want to invest a lot of money, and there are cities that do have systems where you're

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 actually 24/7 sort of tracking the occupancy of a parking space.

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 That's a huge investment, that's more of a mid-long-term strategy, but in the near-term,

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 you can do these studies regularly.

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 And generally, none of them take a lot of time to implement, you just have to decide

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 to do it and how you're going to do it.

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 The enforcement is probably a longer conversation, the standards are a longer conversation, because

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 you have to decide which standards you're going to change, meet with the development

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 community and planning, and then there, of course, is a formal city process, you have

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 to adopt those things.

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 So we put three clocks on that one, because that could take a while.

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 So I'm going to pause there.

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 That was, I don't know, eight minutes or something like that.

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 I do have other strategies that we can talk about, but I wanted to pause and see if there

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 are any questions.

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 Well, thank you very much for pausing there, I was going to ask you to pause there.

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 And I think what I want us to do is just to step, step, step, step, step with our questions

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 and try to get them all in, get them answered here as quickly as possible way, and Susie.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 So thank you for the presentation, thanks for coming back again, I'm glad that you got

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 to see that lovely courtyard out there with all the decorations that match with your purple

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 tie.

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 Take one of them.

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 So I mean, what I'm definitely hearing about the near term strategies is they do cost some

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 money, right?

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 They cost staff resources, which I know can be really expensive, do we have, you know,

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 I don't know who currently enforces our parking downtown, is it police, somebody else.

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 And that costs money.

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 And tracking data, that's time, that's money as well.

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 I have heard of other cities, and maybe you've heard of this too, that do charge a certain

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 amount for parking such that there's always one or two spots available per block, and

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 then that revenue gets reinvested in the area where it came from.

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 So in theory, that could fund this enforcement, it could fund possibly beautification of the

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 streets in the area, but also it makes it easier to find the parking, right?

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 And you said that parking turnover is what helps the businesses, right, more customers

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 flowing through.

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 And so I've heard of cities that have implemented paid parking, you know, that's not too high

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 or too low, what we want is one to two spaces per block so that somebody can always find

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 a space if they want to, could be a way that we could pay for that.

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 And I know I saw that that's one of the longer term strategies, but that could be a really

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 exciting opportunity that we could look into to fund some of this to make sure we're getting

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 that turnover for businesses, to make sure that, you know, that people can find spaces

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 when they're looking for it.

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 Paid parking, it's a very common thing, there's a lot of common in a lot of spaces, thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 I just made some random notes here as you were speaking, I was surprised that weekend

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 parking was at a greater premium than weekday parking, and I guess my rationale was that

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 more businesses are open on the weekdays, but maybe that's not so around the square.

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 My recollection is that it's Saturday evening, so you're getting a lot of people there, and

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 I haven't memorized the businesses on the square, but there's a lot of restaurants,

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 bars, so people are there, I don't know, watching football games or something, but that's when

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 we saw the highest, I think was in the 70%, there's a slide in here somewhere that shows

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 you the actual numbers, but.

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 70% of the, what, was it 2,300, 2,700 parking spaces, that surprises me, I didn't know that.

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 I personally have been frustrated with the back end parking that we have done on East

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 Hickory Street.

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 I have called it a failure, but we've got a lot invested in it, so I guess we're going

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 to continue it.

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 One of the things that frustrates me about that is if it's back end parking, I can deal

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 with that.

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 Just tell me the rules, and I'll try to play within the rules, but people that either don't

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 care or don't know will drive across the centerline and park front facing in a rear facing, if

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 that's right.

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 Yep.

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 Back end.

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 Yes, now, when we started this, there was enforcement, and there are signs that indicate

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 that there is a, maybe a $50 fine for maybe $25 fine for parking the wrong direction that

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 way, but that is absolutely, positively not enforced at this time.

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 In fact, there's no enforcement whatsoever, at least in the downtown area.

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 As far as paid parking, I've been here all my life, and I've seen lots of changes on

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 this.

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 We have gone from paid parking to free parking, back to paid parking, and back to free parking.

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 It's always the trade off of we're going to try to get control of our parking by making

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 it paid parking, and then we're going to try to encourage mercantile by removing the parking

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 meters and have free parking.

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 We have done everything on the square in my lifetime, and I've been in a long, long time.

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 I like your idea about having an employee parking area.

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 I don't know what number that would be, but it seems to me that the greatest number of

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 parking spaces are taken up by employees in that 2,700.

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 I would think the greatest number is taken up by employees who come and stay.

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 They don't come shop and leave.

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 They come for their shift or today's business day and stay as long as it takes.

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 Anyway, I appreciate that.

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 I'd like to see improved signage.

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 I don't know if my other council members got the note that I got from the guy from

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 Prunary Houston scalding letter in the paid parking in Jack Bell's parking area that

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 got his car towed.

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 The first thing everybody always thinks about that is the instant that they see their car

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 is gone, the first thing they think is, "My car has been stolen."

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 They go from, "Whoopee, this was great fun.

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 We had a great time."

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 "Oh, my car has been stolen."

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 They're in panic and they could go from panic to anger because now they realize that their

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 car has been towed and we have to deal with that.

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 Where in the world is the tow facility and stuff like this?

00:17:41.040 --> 00:17:42.040
 A big challenge.

00:17:42.040 --> 00:17:43.040
 Thank you for being here.

00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:44.040
 Sure.

00:17:44.040 --> 00:17:49.580
 Yeah, we did one public ... I think we attended the farmer's market and got a lot of public

00:17:49.580 --> 00:17:53.320
 feedback and we got plenty of feedback about that specific issue.

00:17:53.320 --> 00:17:54.320
 Thanks.

00:17:54.320 --> 00:17:56.960
 Thank you.

00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:04.920
 For me, I put down here ... You said something about us having to make a decision how often

00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:10.760
 we want that turnover to be, to look forward to the turnover and you had mentioned something

00:18:10.760 --> 00:18:17.240
 about maybe every 30 minutes or so and now just hearing that a number of the spaces are

00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:24.160
 taken up by employees which defeats the purpose of welcoming people into downtown to enjoy

00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.800
 downtown as close as possible.

00:18:27.800 --> 00:18:33.560
 We'll have to certainly need some additional guidance as to just even talking about the

00:18:33.560 --> 00:18:41.080
 turnover because I also want to recognize that I think our square is designed more for

00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:42.760
 entertainment purposes.

00:18:42.760 --> 00:18:48.920
 I know that we're supposed to have a fine arts movie theater coming through.

00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.680
 We have these restaurants where people go in and sit down for an hour or so if there's

00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:58.320
 not a quick turnover for restaurants.

00:18:58.320 --> 00:19:04.280
 We have coffee bars in there that we're encouraging people to sit around and do their homework

00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:07.200
 and lounge around in there.

00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:16.960
 It's a relaxed, stay-around place so I'm not real sure of ... I could say I'm not real

00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:22.760
 sure because that's true about how our turnover is going to look like.

00:19:22.760 --> 00:19:29.440
 Should we be expecting cars to just be around because of what we have down there?

00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:38.440
 That is what I am highly interested in and of course the signage, the continuity of the

00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:40.760
 types of signage.

00:19:40.760 --> 00:19:46.440
 We're going to have to be looking at the color of what we want our bike lanes to be.

00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:55.640
 We certainly want to look for color in lit up stuff for our downtown area for it to be

00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:00.160
 its own color to let people know that now you're in downtown.

00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.880
 Is that going to be purple, yellow, green, whatever?

00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:12.240
 I want to have a concise knowledge that I'm in downtown and with me the transportation

00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:24.640
 part too, those away lots and also us having some type of on-demand type transportation.

00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:35.120
 Maybe we can do DCTA because they do the GoZone cars to become part of a downtown structure,

00:20:35.120 --> 00:20:39.040
 tooling people around downtown from those extended lots.

00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:40.360
 What do you call those lots that are ...

00:20:40.360 --> 00:20:42.360
 Park and ride.

00:20:42.360 --> 00:20:43.360
 Remote.

00:20:43.360 --> 00:20:44.360
 Remote lots.

00:20:44.360 --> 00:20:46.160
 Those remote type lots.

00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:47.600
 That's what I have.

00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:50.600
 Thank you.

00:20:50.600 --> 00:20:53.960
 What I want to start with, I really love having the base data.

00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:54.960
 That's really good.

00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.440
 We had a lot of that last time and I really appreciate that.

00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:07.480
 I think just from a 100,000 foot view, one of the things that maybe Susie and Christine

00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:13.960
 have a lot of mobility experience, but the rest of us, it's not our area of expertise.

00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:22.080
 I would appreciate whether it's from our own internal staff or from consults, more dense

00:21:22.080 --> 00:21:27.680
 specific recommendations and it goes to I think a lot of the questions that you've heard.

00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:34.000
 We've heard a lot of questions about turnover frequency, so I'd be interested in recommendations

00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:41.600
 for what those rates are, yeah, we can have them 15, 30, an hour, two hours, but what

00:21:41.600 --> 00:21:48.080
 those recommendations should be and more specifically where they should be.

00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:55.240
 For example, we want one hour on the square and three hours off the square and no time

00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.700
 limit at remote.

00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:05.440
 That kind of thing and I'd be really interested in that because then maybe we can start to

00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.720
 strategize about where employees go.

00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.120
 Maybe that's a self-enforcing thing.

00:22:10.120 --> 00:22:15.320
 If employees want to park in the two hour or 15 minute spot, they can.

00:22:15.320 --> 00:22:21.480
 They're going to eat up their paycheck real quick.

00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:27.920
 Then you can turn into maybe there's a TERS incentive or something that says, "Okay, I'm

00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:33.680
 going to give employees a hang tag for free, but only a hang tag for the secondary and

00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:34.680
 tertiary lots."

00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:40.560
 If you want to park out front and take up a customer spot, you can.

00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:46.800
 I'd love some guidance on best practices there because we can't do that modeling and numbering

00:22:46.800 --> 00:22:54.040
 that the transportation can and y'all can, but we can't do that modeling.

00:22:54.040 --> 00:22:58.440
 That gets us to my second question, which is enforcement.

00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:04.600
 I'd love to see some information on best practices of enforcement.

00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:15.400
 It seems like the old standard is to get meter staff or law enforcement to do it, but I'm

00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:21.200
 not sure that's the best use of law enforcement's time on that particular issue.

00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:26.000
 I would love knowledge about whether it is or not.

00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:31.280
 Maybe Chief Robledo really thinks that is good use of her officer's time.

00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:36.480
 I'm really interested in these automatic methods because nothing guides behavior.

00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:40.320
 Signs don't guide behavior, but something that forces you to do a thing, whether we're

00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:47.720
 talking about road construction tip-outs to slow you down, because you slow yourself down.

00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:54.360
 In the case of parking, everyone complains about it, but ParkMobile and similar digital

00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:56.920
 strategies automatically charge you.

00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:01.320
 I don't have to put a quarter in, it's just boom.

00:24:01.320 --> 00:24:05.320
 If you don't want to keep getting billed, you will move your car.

00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:12.160
 Our friend, some of our frequent flyers on the square, I'll pull back and not name names,

00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:20.640
 but we know who they are that park the whole weekend.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:26.680
 We know this person that park the whole weekend very visibly.

00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:32.040
 I guess that person can park the whole weekend very visibly, and ParkMobile will happily

00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:38.820
 eat hundreds of dollars into that person's credit cards.

00:24:38.820 --> 00:24:41.080
 I would love a specific recommendation.

00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:47.600
 If we're going to have, if the highest parking is evenings and weekend, if this burst parking

00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:56.080
 from our sort of basal levels up to our burst demand only ever peaks at 68% to 70%, but

00:24:56.080 --> 00:25:01.560
 the perception is when I go to use that burst demand that I'm bursting out to 90 something

00:25:01.560 --> 00:25:05.960
 percent, I can't remember what the data table said, 96, I think it was?

00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:06.960
 On the square.

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.280
 On the square, and that's on the square or just off where the eateries and bars are.

00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:12.280
 Right.

00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:19.440
 If you have that burst parking, you want to have TNCs, then where do you place them?

00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.240
 Because now we're competing stakeholders between the two hour or 15 minute parking, whichever

00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.600
 we decide, and how do we enforce not the TNCs, but that parking?

00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:34.720
 And so then I think, you know, I would love to see some recommendations based on the distribution

00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:44.240
 of our downtown businesses, what the recommendation is for, like we have our Austin street eating

00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:51.360
 section, you know, East side and that area, but where should we put the TNC drop off?

00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:53.960
 You know, is it on the secondary streets?

00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.600
 Is it on the square?

00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:56.600
 Where do we put it?

00:25:56.600 --> 00:25:59.640
 Is there something that they're going to give us some guidance on?

00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.840
 And so that's the end of my questions anyway.

00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:02.840
 Thank you.

00:26:02.840 --> 00:26:03.840
 Thank you so much.

00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:06.480
 I'm glad you allowed me to interject.

00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.960
 So we are managing and monitoring our time.

00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:13.240
 We want to be good stewards of our time, so you just take your time.

00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:14.240
 Okay.

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.240
 All right.

00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:21.840
 I'm just going to give a couple of comments from my experience working on the square,

00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:25.380
 just for getting, I guess, my thoughts out there.

00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:30.160
 So I think Vicki, you made an excellent point about there are like different types of reasons

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.160
 that people come to the square.

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:38.440
 And I think that we should be conscious of the ways that our parking strategies may prevent

00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.180
 some of those usages, right?

00:26:40.180 --> 00:26:45.520
 So if you're somebody who might want to make like a quick trip to a downtown business,

00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:49.400
 but we're using a parking strategy where all of the parking spots like immediately in front

00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:53.480
 of that business are going to be filled because we just let anybody park there for however

00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.680
 long they want, you're probably not going to make that quick trip to a downtown business

00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.240
 because you can't make a quick trip to a downtown business.

00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:07.040
 And so I think that when we think about parking, you know, if I'm coming to the square and

00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:10.220
 I know that I'm going to get lunch and then I'm going to go out shopping and then I'm

00:27:10.220 --> 00:27:15.720
 going to maybe go out for a coffee with a friend, I might be willing to walk significantly

00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.360
 more blocks than if I want to do a quick in and out trip to pick up my weekly comics for

00:27:20.360 --> 00:27:21.600
 more fun and games.

00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:23.560
 I want that to be like a five, 10 minute trip.

00:27:23.560 --> 00:27:28.880
 Whereas if I'm going to be there for a few hours, I might walk longer anyways.

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:33.660
 With regard to transportation network companies, one thing I would also add in there is drop

00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:34.960
 off and pick up.

00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:40.640
 So things like Uber Eats, sometimes our roads will get blocked by Uber Eats or DoorDash

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:47.280
 or what have you pick up because they're like, well, there's no parking here and I have to

00:27:47.280 --> 00:27:51.200
 pick up this order and I'm just going to make my own spot.

00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:59.040
 Or again, when I worked at a business on the downtown square, it would be fairly regular

00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:05.680
 that the way that we received product drop off on, if we had something that we like needed

00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:11.760
 more of immediately, an employee of the business, I'm not going to name names, an employee of

00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:19.080
 the business would just park a van in front of the shop on the square, on the street,

00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:21.800
 not in a parking spot, on the roadway.

00:28:21.800 --> 00:28:25.600
 And then open up the back door of the van, rush us in the product as fast as we could

00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:31.080
 take it in, blocking traffic and people would have to swerve around or pedestrians might

00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:35.300
 be in a little bit more danger than they usually would because they'd be walking out in front

00:28:35.300 --> 00:28:39.400
 of that blind spot where drivers might be flying by.

00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:46.720
 And so I think I would want to see more loading and unloading space if possible.

00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.000
 Thank you.

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000
 All right.

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.480
 Well, thank you all for your input.

00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.280
 I believe that we'll just end this segment here.

00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:01.200
 I think that we've given you quite a bit of information to kind of go back and work on

00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.920
 for us and we'll just continue on with the conversation.

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:04.920
 Okay.

00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:05.920
 Anything else you need for us?

00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.160
 Are you going to be around after the meeting?

00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:13.680
 I have a -- yes, I have a phone call at noon.

00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.000
 I don't believe you.

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.720
 I have a call at noon, but I'm here until then.

00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:20.720
 Okay.

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:21.720
 Thank you.

00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:22.720
 Okay.

00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:37.720
 Well, then we are going to move on to CMC 24-031, Receiver Report and Holder Discussion

00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:44.920
 Regarding Five-Year Capital Improvement Program, Budgets and Fiscal Year 2024, Year-to-Date

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:45.920
 Projects.

00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:50.760
 Thank you.

00:29:50.760 --> 00:29:53.760
 Good morning, Chair and committee members.

00:29:53.760 --> 00:29:58.600
 Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services Division.

00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:06.600
 This presentation will give a brief overview of transportation services-related projects

00:30:06.600 --> 00:30:19.040
 out to CIP or in one way, you know, implementation, design, and planning stages.

00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:25.080
 To begin with, we have traffic signal -- traffic operational improvements.

00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:31.440
 First item in there is traffic signal cabinet improvements where we replace aging and outdated

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:35.280
 cabinets and electronics.

00:30:35.280 --> 00:30:45.120
 We just -- starting with fiscal year 2022-23, the allocation was $208,000, and this stays

00:30:45.120 --> 00:30:51.320
 steady all the way from 2023-24 as well as in 2024-25.

00:30:51.320 --> 00:31:01.080
 And these columns list the items that we implemented in previous years and ongoing as well in 2024-25.

00:31:01.080 --> 00:31:05.000
 I have a question.

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.200
 What do these cabinets look like?

00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:12.440
 Are they just kind of blended into the forestry of it all?

00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:13.800
 Are they green, yellow?

00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:21.280
 They are being painted now in some cases, and then these are on the side of the streets

00:31:21.280 --> 00:31:28.600
 on the corner that you would see in sometimes typically in silver-colored cabinet or colored

00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:31.440
 cabinet in some cases, but some of them are being painted.

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.080
 And these are the ones that are wrapped?

00:31:34.080 --> 00:31:35.080
 Is that the ones?

00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.080
 Okay.

00:31:36.080 --> 00:31:37.080
 That was the question.

00:31:37.080 --> 00:31:38.080
 Okay.

00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:40.640
 Thank you.

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:45.160
 And then we have signal for traffic improvements.

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:51.180
 Next item is signal designs and rebuilds and replacements.

00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:56.580
 This is where we replace the aging and traffic infrastructure.

00:31:56.580 --> 00:32:03.280
 This includes in many cases signal improvements or installation of new signals at the intersections.

00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:10.960
 Fiscal year, '22, '23, we had $1.6 million.

00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:16.480
 And then in '23, '24, we had $3.9 million.

00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.840
 And then for '24, '25, this for $2.84 million.

00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:25.600
 And these columns again list the projects that are implemented.

00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:29.440
 And if you have any questions, I can...

00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.900
 I just have a question in regards to 288 in Dutchess.

00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:36.560
 You're speaking, but I don't see anything there.

00:32:36.560 --> 00:32:37.560
 Yeah.

00:32:37.560 --> 00:32:38.560
 So it is being...

00:32:38.560 --> 00:32:40.320
 It's being designed right now?

00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:41.320
 Yes.

00:32:41.320 --> 00:32:42.800
 Because of the new apartment complexes?

00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:44.940
 It is being implemented soon.

00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:49.440
 I think it's in the program and traffic operations staff, he has already...

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.120
 I mean, they're already working on it.

00:32:52.120 --> 00:32:53.120
 So it will be soon.

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:54.240
 Soon you will start seeing this.

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.240
 Okay.

00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.240
 And then I also just want to recognize that I'm kind of veering off from what we did the

00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.840
 last time, and I'm gonna hold my questions to the end.

00:33:01.840 --> 00:33:02.840
 Okay.

00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:03.840
 Okay.

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:04.840
 I'm sorry.

00:33:04.840 --> 00:33:06.800
 So maybe the question's in the end, right?

00:33:06.800 --> 00:33:07.800
 Yeah, we'll do the question.

00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:08.800
 Okay.

00:33:08.800 --> 00:33:16.440
 And then we have emergency disaster and traffic improvements, and that's where for '22, '23,

00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.400
 we had $720,000.

00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:31.240
 And then for '23, '24, and '25, DFT is funding their portion of the remaining project.

00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:38.160
 Some other improvements include updates, end-of-life vehicle, bicycle detection equipment, and that's

00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:47.160
 for fiscal year '22, '23, we had $240,000, and '23, '24, we had allocation of $240,000.

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:57.000
 And then for '24 and '25, it was removed from CIP program and, you know, operations and

00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.000
 maintenance.

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:03.120
 It looks like, you know, that will go through there.

00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.120
 This is...

00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:11.600
 HSIP is another major initiative that Transportation Services is looking at, and we are proactively

00:34:11.600 --> 00:34:13.640
 applying for HSIP projects.

00:34:13.640 --> 00:34:19.080
 These are basically Highway Safety Improvement Program-based funding where Federal Highway

00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:25.480
 Program is funneled through state to local jurisdictions and any other safety improvements

00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:27.560
 related needs.

00:34:27.560 --> 00:34:38.600
 For 2022, funds awarded by Tech Start were $2.4 or roughly $2.5 million, and then the

00:34:38.600 --> 00:34:46.000
 other two columns show the design cost and percent of total award that we had to use

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.480
 for the design cost.

00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:56.080
 So for instance, $2.4 million, we had a design cost that the city paid in amount of $298,000,

00:34:56.080 --> 00:35:01.960
 and this equates to 12% of the total funding that we got.

00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:11.000
 In 2023, we received $2.85 million, and again, roughly 14%, which is $400,000, was paid by

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:15.800
 city for that towards the design cost.

00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:24.240
 And in 2024, again, we got $3.5 million, and for design costs, we paid $271,000.

00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:29.960
 Sometimes off-system, even off-system projects, if the project is really good and Tech Start

00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.280
 identifies it as a real good safety need, they would pay for the full, fully funded,

00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.440
 they will just award it fully.

00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.980
 And that's happened in 2024, some of the projects got fully awarded when they were off-system.

00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:51.680
 And for that, we are applying for, so this is total of $8.8 million in three years that

00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:57.480
 we got awarded by Tech Start for safety-related improvements at intersections, and this year

00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:04.440
 Transportation Services is preparing for at least $10 million worth of awards for safety

00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.120
 projects in various parts of the city.

00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:14.080
 So we have already identified and we are working towards applying for those.

00:36:14.080 --> 00:36:21.720
 And this list, by year, these projects and their details that we got for HSIP.

00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:31.880
 There's a trip initiative where DCTA provides or awards funding from the revenue source

00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:40.880
 to city, you know, 15% of budget is typically there, and 95% of the budget allocated to

00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:47.640
 the member cities is proportional to the sales and used tax receipts that is received by

00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:48.640
 DCTA.

00:36:48.640 --> 00:36:58.400
 Well, in this case, we applied for about five projects that are listed here, and the total

00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:07.320
 amount we requested was $4.96 million, and these projects were very carefully selected

00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:17.840
 after doing a lot of analysis by staff, and all of these five projects are directly linked

00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:24.000
 to certain projects in the city, and then fifth one is going to look at sidewalk and

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.440
 other connectivity improvements for multimodal context.

00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:35.800
 All of these five projects have been approved by DCTA board recently, and so we have already

00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:41.680
 started looking into these projects and started working on the analysis.

00:37:41.680 --> 00:37:49.560
 When it comes to ADA transition plan, we are working on strategizing the entire framework

00:37:49.560 --> 00:37:50.760
 for the ADA.

00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.000
 A major effort has been put into this process.

00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:00.840
 We have established, we have recently completed sub-recipients compliance surveys, compliance

00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:08.480
 surveys that were provided by USDOT through TxDOT to the local jurisdictions, and we provided

00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.120
 the feedback and current status of the city's ADA process.

00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:16.720
 There were a lot of questions asked by USDOT and TxDOT.

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:25.960
 We provided those answers, and the first survey, we got compliance, full compliance for 18

00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:31.760
 months, compliance status on ADA, the city got that, and then second survey responses,

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:39.420
 for second survey responses, we recently got another 18 months grace period where we have

00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:46.400
 green status, so total of 36 months of green compliance status from TxDOT based on the

00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:54.920
 responses provided by transportation services staff and other departments.

00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:04.440
 TxDOT has identified a few issues where they want us to address those, and city has established,

00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:11.160
 transportation services has established a committee where we are working with that group

00:39:11.160 --> 00:39:18.600
 representing each department, and we are closely working with these members to address those

00:39:18.600 --> 00:39:21.280
 issues.

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.640
 We are also working on bike lanes.

00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:30.520
 Right now we have fully drafted the criteria, and we are testing it offline right now.

00:39:30.520 --> 00:39:36.640
 That criteria has been updated for fatal crashes and serious incapacitating injuries.

00:39:36.640 --> 00:39:42.200
 It has been calibrated for urban core and speed relationships and many other elements,

00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:44.040
 many other factors.

00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:50.480
 We are testing the criteria offline right now, and once it is stable, then we are planning

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:56.720
 to prioritize the projects into tiers, tier one, tier two, tier three, tier one projects

00:39:56.720 --> 00:40:02.680
 will be provided to CIP for implementation, and this criteria once stable, we will share

00:40:02.680 --> 00:40:09.000
 with all the stakeholders, including the mobility committee as well.

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.200
 That's all, and if any questions I can.

00:40:12.200 --> 00:40:16.240
 Okay, all right, let's start with Ms. Suzie.

00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:17.680
 Thanks Farhan.

00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:25.280
 I think slide three was where I had my first question, actually it's not even a question.

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:32.000
 So I think I see in the third column, Hickory at Welch.

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.400
 So that is a replacement of the current lights, right?

00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.520
 Yes, that's what my understanding is, yes.

00:40:38.520 --> 00:40:41.520
 I just wanted to say I'm very excited about that, because right now there's no ped button,

00:40:41.520 --> 00:40:45.240
 so people, including myself, just go whenever, because you have no way to trigger green.

00:40:45.240 --> 00:40:47.960
 So I'm very excited about that.

00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:55.800
 And then slide four, I think, I just wanted to say kudos on that bottom row of moving

00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:01.720
 things from CIP to operations and maintenance, so I'm excited about that.

00:41:01.720 --> 00:41:05.360
 And then I don't know what slide this was, but you said something about, wait, no, that's

00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:06.360
 just my notes, sorry.

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:12.440
 Okay, slide six maybe, some of my notes are based on old, oh yes.

00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:21.680
 So the left top table, bottom row, it says canceled by Bonnie Bray, do we know what that

00:41:21.680 --> 00:41:23.520
 means or what that's referencing?

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:32.040
 I think that was some implementation that was going on by TextDOT where they thought

00:41:32.040 --> 00:41:37.240
 that this will be, probably it will be put on hold or canceled, so that's why this project

00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:38.240
 got canceled.

00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:40.120
 Okay, thank you.

00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:46.160
 And then for TRIP funds, so that was slide eight, do we have some sort of target timeline

00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:50.800
 when we hope to implement our TRIP projects, because I know each year we apply for some

00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:51.800
 amount of funding.

00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:56.200
 Do we have like a target date we hope to complete these types of projects by in general?

00:41:56.200 --> 00:41:59.240
 Like I know it varies, but.

00:41:59.240 --> 00:42:04.520
 There are three stages for these projects, planning, design, and implementation.

00:42:04.520 --> 00:42:08.800
 Transportation services will be coordinating all these three stages, including with DCTA

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:09.800
 coordination as well.

00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.880
 And then, of course, for the implementation, we'll be relying on CIP.

00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:21.360
 So I'm assuming that once the project scope is done, we'll have a clearer picture on each

00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.720
 of these projects, for instance, how long the planning stage will take, which will be

00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:26.720
 fairly quick.

00:42:26.720 --> 00:42:31.160
 Relatively, I think the quickest part would be planning stage, some time on designing,

00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:34.960
 and then implementation, I would let Trevor speak to that.

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.440
 I'm assuming that it will take, I mean they'll have to schedule it in and all that process

00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:40.440
 would go into that.

00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.080
 And I know right-of-way acquisition is a pretty big factor in how long that takes.

00:42:45.080 --> 00:42:49.000
 And it all depends if we need right-of-way acquisition or not, you know, we will consider

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.000
 that as well.

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.000
 And that's why CIP would be playing key role in defining the scope.

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.440
 We've already set up a meeting, and we'll be meeting with CIP as well, and making sure

00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:03.360
 that we deliver these projects, and if there's a right-of-way acquisition issue, then we

00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:10.240
 fairly look at that and say, is it constructible, is it working?

00:43:10.240 --> 00:43:12.120
 Right, does it fit?

00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:18.320
 And then slide nine, I saw 1.5 million ADA funding each year, where is that coming from?

00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.480
 Is that from the city, some external funding?

00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.480
 This is from city.

00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.840
 City, okay, like from our general fund?

00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:31.360
 I have to talk to finance on that, I'll circle back on that, but I know that it is allocated

00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:32.360
 by finance.

00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.240
 I don't know which one.

00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:37.980
 But we will also be applying for, once we have a clear picture, we'll be applying for

00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:39.480
 a lot of grants as well.

00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.480
 We are planning on that.

00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:41.480
 All right.

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:42.480
 I think that's all I had.

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.480
 Thank you.

00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:54.040
 Very quickly, tell me about the bicycle detection equipment at intersections.

00:43:54.040 --> 00:43:59.120
 So the equipment that was installed, maybe James can address to that.

00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:04.660
 I know that there are counters, but I would let James.

00:44:04.660 --> 00:44:07.920
 So this is the equipment that is at the location.

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.820
 It is combination vehicle detection and we can add bicycle detection.

00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:18.560
 So where we have a bicycle lane at an intersection, we have detection for bicycles.

00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:21.080
 So it's all together.

00:44:21.080 --> 00:44:27.480
 I'm reminded of that joke about a thermos bottle, how do it know?

00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:34.000
 It is a zone that we set up and we tell it that this is a bicycle zone that has a classification.

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.560
 So it's got a length of zero to 11 feet.

00:44:37.560 --> 00:44:43.880
 So whenever it detects an object from zero to 11 feet, it knows that it's a bicycle.

00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.000
 A ferris object?

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.000
 Okay.

00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.000
 Interesting.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:49.000
 Interesting.

00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:54.040
 I've waited at a lot of cycles.

00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:55.040
 Cycles of lights, that is.

00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:56.040
 Sure.

00:44:56.040 --> 00:44:57.040
 Yeah.

00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:58.040
 Thank you.

00:44:58.040 --> 00:44:59.040
 Thank you.

00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:01.400
 Oh, I'm James Andrews, Traffic Operations.

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.800
 Oh, thank you.

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:12.920
 And I really, really like the wrap around the equipment boxes, but I've noticed that

00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.640
 those are almost exclusive in the downtown area.

00:45:16.640 --> 00:45:19.560
 Are those available for other locations?

00:45:19.560 --> 00:45:23.920
 I am, well, I'll have to circle back on that.

00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.760
 I think for now, I understand it is for downtown, but I'm not sure.

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.280
 I'll have to check if this has been expanded to city at large.

00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:32.280
 Thank you.

00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:33.280
 I will circle back on that.

00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:34.280
 Thank you.

00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:42.920
 Well, I want to initially say that a lot of the things that I've been seeing is representative

00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:49.960
 of the area that I am here to represent, District 1.

00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:57.680
 And I am just proud that the City of Denton is taking seriously our opportunities to make

00:45:57.680 --> 00:46:03.200
 sure our core of our city is strengthened as much as possible because it's easy to kind

00:46:03.200 --> 00:46:05.640
 of overlook the center.

00:46:05.640 --> 00:46:11.440
 So I'm glad that we have made that considerable, you know, part of who we are is making sure

00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:15.080
 our center services are ready for us to use.

00:46:15.080 --> 00:46:20.120
 So thank you, City of Denton, for doing that for us.

00:46:20.120 --> 00:46:28.600
 Also the other thing is, you said, oh, and the other thing I'm so excited for is Moore

00:46:28.600 --> 00:46:31.200
 Street and Woodrow.

00:46:31.200 --> 00:46:36.080
 I did tell my Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association people that they're in the pipeline

00:46:36.080 --> 00:46:40.720
 and they did ask about it this past Monday, so it's weighing very heavily on those folks

00:46:40.720 --> 00:46:42.080
 over in that area.

00:46:42.080 --> 00:46:49.640
 Thank you very much for me being able to, you know, see what I said, and I believe.

00:46:49.640 --> 00:46:53.120
 The other thing is Tripp's Project, can you go back to that?

00:46:53.120 --> 00:46:54.120
 Yes.

00:46:54.120 --> 00:46:56.080
 That one right there.

00:46:56.080 --> 00:47:02.240
 Yeah, that that Riney Road side path and safety improvements, I see that the city funding

00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:07.760
 is going to be pretty heavy on that, working with Denton ISD.

00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.800
 Is there some kind of funding coming from Denton ISD?

00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.720
 I know they have a little elementary school coming up over there.

00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:18.920
 I think CIP is coordinating on that, but I'll let Trevor adjust this.

00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:19.920
 Sure.

00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:21.800
 So Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects.

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:29.040
 So we do have a couple of projects over there, Bonnie Bray Phase 6, which the ISD did provide

00:47:29.040 --> 00:47:30.580
 some funding for that.

00:47:30.580 --> 00:47:34.880
 That will help pay for the side path that goes in front of the school.

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.460
 The Riney Road section that we're talking about here, Riney Road East, is going to continue

00:47:39.460 --> 00:47:44.680
 that side path that's in front of the school and then connect it all the way over to 77.

00:47:44.680 --> 00:47:45.680
 Sure.

00:47:45.680 --> 00:47:50.040
 So it's a couple of different projects and that part that Riney Road East was also included

00:47:50.040 --> 00:47:52.160
 in our CIP as well.

00:47:52.160 --> 00:47:53.160
 Okay.

00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:57.960
 So that for layman's terms, what you're talking about with the ISD is that that's in that

00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:58.960
 number there, that 5.75?

00:47:58.960 --> 00:47:59.960
 No, that's not separate.

00:47:59.960 --> 00:48:00.960
 No, it's separate.

00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:01.960
 Yes, ma'am.

00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:02.960
 That's what I wanted to know.

00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:03.960
 Thank you very much.

00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.960
 I appreciate that.

00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:11.720
 Yeah, the TRIPS project, Moore Street, Woodrow Lane, signal transit improvements.

00:48:11.720 --> 00:48:14.560
 Thank you so much for that.

00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:19.240
 And my last thing that I'm going to have to confess, and I really, really hate to say

00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:26.480
 this, but is being weighing heavily on my mind as a district one representative, and

00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:31.720
 I truly mean this, I do not like bollards.

00:48:31.720 --> 00:48:35.660
 I just don't appreciate the bollards.

00:48:35.660 --> 00:48:38.600
 I've been trying to get used to them.

00:48:38.600 --> 00:48:44.520
 I do drive by them because they're where I am, but I'm not appreciating them.

00:48:44.520 --> 00:48:49.840
 So I don't know where that conversation is going to go and how it's going to turn out

00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.240
 in the end, but I'm sure that there's some other people out there that feel the same

00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:56.660
 way that I do.

00:48:56.660 --> 00:49:00.940
 So I'm going to end it there and I'm going to pass it on.

00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:01.940
 Thank you.

00:49:01.940 --> 00:49:02.940
 Thank you.

00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:03.940
 I'll pick up...

00:49:03.940 --> 00:49:04.940
 Yeah, no, there's...

00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:09.880
 Susie and I were at a bike conference recently and we saw some options on alternatives to

00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:17.120
 bollards that I encourage transportation staff to look at.

00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:20.560
 So that's all I'll say on that.

00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:26.820
 I always rank public safety over aesthetics, but we get a million calls on aesthetics.

00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:30.120
 So that said.

00:49:30.120 --> 00:49:40.280
 I had a similar question to Councilor Holland on the bicycle detection, the magnetometers.

00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:46.920
 I guess they're embedded wires in the asphalt or whatever or cameras.

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:47.920
 I'm not sure exactly.

00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.320
 It implied those magnetometers.

00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.440
 Like Councilor Holland, I get a lot of complaints when I personally bike.

00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:01.500
 It doesn't seem terribly sensitive to bikes, especially on lanes that are denoted to be

00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:05.360
 shared and there's only limited crossings at some places.

00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:15.160
 So I would love to know what our regimen is for sensitivity tuning.

00:50:15.160 --> 00:50:19.000
 So it doesn't have to be today, but if you want to comment today, but I would love to

00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:23.480
 learn more about how we're sensitivity tuning that because I myself have sat through several

00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.760
 cycles and just prayed for a car to come up behind me to hit the magnetometer and then

00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:29.760
 I could go.

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:35.680
 I think we can circle back on that and we can in the interest of time, we'll just provide

00:50:35.680 --> 00:50:38.000
 a blurb on that in the next meeting.

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.480
 Yeah, no, that's perfect.

00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.080
 And then that allows me to segue.

00:50:41.080 --> 00:50:47.360
 I really want to praise you all for taking the funding off of bonds and other one-off

00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.600
 funding mechanisms, internal funding mechanisms and putting them onto external funding mechanisms

00:50:52.600 --> 00:50:54.540
 or if it's going to be internal M&O.

00:50:54.540 --> 00:50:57.840
 So that's a much more sustainable approach.

00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.760
 I really appreciate that.

00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:06.780
 And it takes me to the idea of the trip funds, which is my other point, which is at some

00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:14.600
 point I don't have any problems with these projects, but at some point for the same reason

00:51:14.600 --> 00:51:22.960
 that you moved some of your funding and projects onto M&O and rather than put it on intermittent

00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.440
 bond programs, I think we need to have a conversation.

00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:33.920
 I don't know if it starts in mobility or it starts in council about how do we use trip

00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:38.840
 funds, especially because you seem to be very successful since you came on board getting

00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:39.840
 external grants.

00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.720
 I notice in the next section, we're going to talk about CPRG funding.

00:51:42.720 --> 00:51:45.160
 So way to go on that one.

00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:51.920
 But if we're being more successful under your directorship on getting alternative kinds

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:57.880
 of funding, I do think we need to have a conversation about should trip funding be used for transit

00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.360
 or should it be used for street engineering.

00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.160
 And we're kind of piggy banking it as street engineering.

00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:10.320
 And I think that's just a conversation that we need a policy conversation we need to have.

00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.400
 And I think that's all my comments on this one.

00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:14.400
 I'll link to Trevor.

00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.840
 I think I have one for Trevor.

00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:17.840
 Okay.

00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:18.840
 All right.

00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:23.440
 Real quick, can you give an example of like what an HISP project would be?

00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.480
 I noticed that it had kind of an intersection listed.

00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:31.280
 So would that be like sidewalks or crosswalks or is that like intersection specific improvements?

00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:40.200
 So it could be segment as well, but typically all the action is happening on intersections

00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:47.360
 and so what we do when we look at the selection process, we look at pedestrian fatalities,

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.440
 bike, bed related fatalities and crashes, serious incapacitating injuries.

00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:59.120
 That is a major significant factor in selection process of the projects.

00:52:59.120 --> 00:53:08.760
 Then we also look at the improvements, possibilities if the existing infrastructure there is outdated.

00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:14.040
 So if you want to improve that with pedestrian buttons or other technology there.

00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:19.640
 So all of those factors go in there and then of course the area type, if it is close to

00:53:19.640 --> 00:53:23.040
 school or college, that plays a major role.

00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:31.560
 So all of those factors and a lot more going to play and then before we finalize a selected

00:53:31.560 --> 00:53:33.040
 project.

00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:37.240
 And then of course it is vetted by text art as well.

00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:39.600
 I mean if they are not satisfied, they will not accept it.

00:53:39.600 --> 00:53:44.440
 So we have to do a lot of work to ensure that this becomes selected.

00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:45.920
 Gotcha.

00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:54.760
 I want to echo Brian on the public transportation versus roadway infrastructure question for

00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:55.760
 TRIP.

00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:56.760
 I would like to see that discussed.

00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:00.360
 I have previously pitched that we should spend it on purchasing bus routes.

00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.720
 I would love to see that come up in a later conversation and then finally I saw 1.5 million

00:54:05.720 --> 00:54:08.400
 annual dollars in ADA funding.

00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:15.400
 Is that spent entirely on roadway infrastructure or does that cover those trainings?

00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.720
 Does it cover other things like accessibility around public buildings?

00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:21.720
 What is that ADA?

00:54:21.720 --> 00:54:24.640
 Advertising is included in there.

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:26.320
 Thank you.

00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:37.080
 Thank you very much.

00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:38.080
 It's the same.

00:54:38.080 --> 00:54:39.720
 Is it still on 03?

00:54:39.720 --> 00:54:41.120
 Yes, ma'am.

00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:45.200
 So Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects, I'm going to walk you through our Capital

00:54:45.200 --> 00:54:48.480
 Improvement Projects update.

00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:54.360
 So these are just project financials on projects that have been included in our CIP plan.

00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:00.800
 So Bonnebrae Phase 4B, the project estimate of completion right now is about $12.5 million.

00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:07.900
 We have current funding at $8.5 and then we are receiving another $4 million in the approved

00:55:07.900 --> 00:55:12.480
 budget for 2024-25, which should fully fund that project.

00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:17.040
 Bonnebrae Phase 5, project estimate of completion is at $12 million.

00:55:17.040 --> 00:55:22.320
 Currently have $2 million and as you can see there, we have a plan in this budget as well

00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.800
 as next year's budget to add funding that will bring us to a point where we can complete

00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:28.800
 that project.

00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.840
 Ronnie Road East, that's the one we just talked about a little bit.

00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:38.720
 We currently estimate that project to be $6 million and we have the $6 million that we

00:55:38.720 --> 00:55:43.920
 need to build that so as soon as we get the design done, it will move into construction.

00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:50.800
 McKinney Sidewalks, same deal as Ronnie Road East, $5.5 and that current funding was included

00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.880
 as in last year's CIP, so it's currently in design.

00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.240
 Hickory Creek 3, we estimate that project to be about $63 million once we're complete.

00:56:00.240 --> 00:56:06.120
 We currently have all the funding we need and we did approve another $8 million in this

00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:12.520
 year's budget and that is an estimate that we believe is going to, that we will need

00:56:12.520 --> 00:56:17.840
 to get our contractor back to work to accommodate for that delay that we've had almost a year

00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.720
 now waiting on the railroad.

00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:26.840
 And then 2019 Street Reconstruction Bond Completion, we estimate that to be about $130 million

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.440
 to complete the entire project.

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.520
 Currently we're at $106 million.

00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:37.680
 We did have $10 million approved in this year's budget and we will be including another $10

00:56:37.680 --> 00:56:43.520
 million in our fiscal year 25-26 that will get us to where we need to be.

00:56:43.520 --> 00:56:49.000
 That $130 million, we're actually starting to see prices come down in our estimates and

00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:53.520
 so we believe that the funding that we currently have as well as what we've included in this

00:56:53.520 --> 00:57:01.440
 slide will get us to where we need to be to completely finish that 2019.

00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.560
 So this is going to kind of dig into the sidewalk portions of these projects.

00:57:07.560 --> 00:57:12.440
 So Bonnebrae Phase 4B, currently at 90%, so this is one of the projects that we're going

00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:17.320
 to bring up to 100% and then we're going to hold and wait until we finish Bonnebrae Phase

00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.680
 3 and 6 before we put it on the construction.

00:57:20.680 --> 00:57:25.640
 This does include roadway, utilities, street lighting, and a 10-foot shared use path on

00:57:25.640 --> 00:57:29.160
 one side with a 5-foot sidewalk on the other.

00:57:29.160 --> 00:57:35.280
 Bonnebrae Phase 5, currently at 30%, again this is a project we'll bring up to 100% design

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.720
 and then we'll hold waiting on Bonnebrae 3 and 6 to complete so I don't have the whole

00:57:40.720 --> 00:57:43.240
 corridor on the construction at one time.

00:57:43.240 --> 00:57:48.360
 This does include roadway, utilities, street lighting, that 10-foot shared use path, as

00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:54.160
 well as 5-foot sidewalks on the other side.

00:57:54.160 --> 00:57:59.840
 So Hickory Creek Phase 3, this includes a bridge structure, drainers, and sidewalks.

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.220
 It's currently on hold pending the railroad agreement.

00:58:02.220 --> 00:58:05.000
 We're anticipating that to happen any day now.

00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:09.200
 We actually have a meeting with the railroad this afternoon to walk through where they're

00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:10.280
 at with that.

00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:15.240
 We've also started conversations with our contractor about getting them back to work

00:58:15.240 --> 00:58:18.840
 and what that change order is going to look like so we're anticipating them ready to rock

00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:24.440
 and roll as soon as we get that railroad agreement.

00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.560
 And then we actually have an update on this from the slide, the estimate to complete,

00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:34.200
 the contractor's estimating 16 months, not a year, so once we get them back to work,

00:58:34.200 --> 00:58:41.720
 we're estimating about 16 months to complete.

00:58:41.720 --> 00:58:44.880
 This is the Rounding Road East project that we spoke about a little bit earlier.

00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:53.720
 So roadway widening as well as sidewalks, it does also include a path, a park path.

00:58:53.720 --> 00:58:56.120
 We are working through right-of-way acquisition.

00:58:56.120 --> 00:58:58.900
 I actually spoke with the PM about this yesterday.

00:58:58.900 --> 00:59:02.520
 Those are going great so we don't anticipate any issues with acquiring the right-of-way

00:59:02.520 --> 00:59:03.880
 we need.

00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:10.680
 We get 90% design and I estimate this going to construction in Q1 and then the goal would

00:59:10.680 --> 00:59:20.800
 be to have that roadway widened prior to the new school opening next August.

00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.140
 All right, moving on to the McKinney sidewalks.

00:59:23.140 --> 00:59:29.000
 So this is, the scope of this is a 10-foot shared use path along with illumination along

00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.480
 that path.

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:35.440
 We anticipate the design being completed in Q2 of 2025, working through the right-of-way

00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:40.760
 acquisition right now and then moving to construction in quarter four of 2025.

00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:46.280
 So that one's moving along as well.

00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:47.880
 So this is a lot of information on this slide.

00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.680
 I think you all have seen it before, but this is our 2019 Street Rehab Program.

00:59:51.680 --> 00:59:55.640
 I'm not going to walk through everything, but as you can see there, got a lot of projects

00:59:55.640 --> 00:59:57.960
 closed out already.

00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:02.600
 Another large amount of construction that's happening currently and then we do have a

01:00:02.600 --> 01:00:07.640
 couple of projects there at the bottom that are in design or already designed and once

01:00:07.640 --> 01:00:14.400
 we receive that funding in the bond, once October rolls around and we're able to access

01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:20.660
 that funding, we'll start rolling those projects out as well.

01:00:20.660 --> 01:00:23.780
 So I'm going to walk through this street maintenance slide and then if we have any

01:00:23.780 --> 01:00:28.960
 questions on this one, I'll lean on my partners in streets.

01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.200
 But as you can see in this slide, we've got a couple of performance measures that they

01:00:34.200 --> 01:00:36.080
 measure on a yearly basis.

01:00:36.080 --> 01:00:40.320
 So reconstruction, their annual goal is two lane miles.

01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:48.960
 In fiscal year 22-23, they did 2.7 lane miles and then their goal for 23-24, or what they

01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.560
 accomplished in 23-24 was 4.5.

01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:55.040
 Land overlay, annual goal, 5 miles.

01:00:55.040 --> 01:01:02.320
 They did 2.2 in 22-23 and then 5.7 in 23-24.

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.640
 Crack seal, annual goal is 45 lane miles.

01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:14.040
 They did 37.6 in FY 22-23 and then 111 in 23-24.

01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:18.600
 Surface treatments, 31.5 lane miles is the annual goal.

01:01:18.600 --> 01:01:29.680
 In FY 22-23, we did 51.5 and then another 51.5 and then another 55.5 in FY 23-24.

01:01:29.680 --> 01:01:35.320
 Panel repairs, so for the next four, the panel repairs, sidewalk repair, pothole repair and

01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:38.080
 base failure repair, not really an annual goal.

01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:44.120
 These are maintenance and rehabilitation activities.

01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:53.760
 So for concrete panel repair, they did 1.6 lane miles in 22-23, another 1.4 in 23-24.

01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:01.420
 Sidewalk repair, almost 5,000 square feet in 22-23 and then 38,000 square feet in fiscal

01:02:01.420 --> 01:02:03.800
 year 23-24.

01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:13.680
 Pothole repairs, they did almost 3,500 in fiscal year 22-23 and then almost 623-24 and

01:02:13.680 --> 01:02:21.120
 then base failure repairs, almost 3,000 tons the first 22-23 year and then a little over

01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:26.960
 6,000 tons in fiscal year 23-24.

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.200
 And with that, I'll stand for any questions.

01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:30.200
 Okay.

01:02:30.200 --> 01:02:31.200
 Suzie?

01:02:31.200 --> 01:02:34.200
 Oh, you want to start on that?

01:02:34.200 --> 01:02:37.800
 Okay, we'll start on this then.

01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:39.160
 Are you ready?

01:02:39.160 --> 01:02:45.920
 So with regards to the 2019 bond funding, the bond amount passed was 150 more, 154 million.

01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.200
 The number up there was 130,000.

01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:52.040
 How do those two numbers intersect?

01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:58.420
 Is that we actually over budgeted and we think we're only going to need $130 million to fulfill

01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:04.720
 the bond projects or is that now we're looking for 130 million after we've already spent

01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:06.840
 other funds on the projects we've already completed?

01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.840
 Sure.

01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:11.360
 That's not, the 130 is not an additional funding that we're looking for.

01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.920
 I'll need to go back and look at those numbers just to make sure that I answer your question

01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.320
 correctly and not say it off the fly.

01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.520
 I will say the bond funding was only used for the street rehabilitation portion of that.

01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:32.280
 So we did add a lot of funding from wastewater utilities to be able to build those projects

01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:33.280
 holistically.

01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.600
 So let me check those numbers and I'll get them back to you.

01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:42.440
 That's twice in one week I've used it.

01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:47.680
 Is the reconstruction of 2.7 miles, for example, 2.7 lane miles.

01:03:47.680 --> 01:03:49.720
 That's exclusive of bond projects, right?

01:03:49.720 --> 01:03:51.960
 So bond projects are not included in that 2.7.

01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:52.960
 Correct.

01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:54.560
 These numbers are strictly operations and maintenance.

01:03:54.560 --> 01:03:55.720
 So that's separate.

01:03:55.720 --> 01:04:00.340
 This is just what the streets department is doing on a maintenance schedule or with their

01:04:00.340 --> 01:04:02.200
 own construction projects.

01:04:02.200 --> 01:04:06.120
 That's separate from anything that the capital projects department is doing.

01:04:06.120 --> 01:04:13.760
 And then finally, when the community had brought forward the idea of the McKinney sidewalks

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:19.760
 being necessary, it had originally got pitched as temporary improvements such as cones or

01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:26.720
 barrels to segment off the side of the road where folks walk on from the drive lanes that

01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:30.420
 folks drive on because those often get used as drive lanes.

01:04:30.420 --> 01:04:34.840
 People will go around traffic and whatnot on the basis that it was necessary to do it

01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:39.320
 quickly and then we could find the funding for sidewalks later because that's very dangerous

01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.040
 and that should be addressed as soon as possible.

01:04:42.040 --> 01:04:48.120
 Within the last few weeks, a man was hit and killed in that portion of roadway.

01:04:48.120 --> 01:04:50.640
 Mr. Santiago, he was a wheelchair user.

01:04:50.640 --> 01:04:57.840
 I would just ask for the city again, consider something temporary and quick as we move towards

01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:59.320
 that more final sidewalk product.

01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:00.320
 Sounds good.

01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:01.320
 Thank you.

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:08.720
 I'll pick up from McKinney real quick.

01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:14.600
 Is the concept plan north side of the street or south side of the street or both?

01:05:14.600 --> 01:05:15.800
 I'm not sure on that.

01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:16.800
 Sure.

01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:18.360
 So I think it's just going to be on one side.

01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.720
 I think we were originally looking at the south side to do that.

01:05:22.720 --> 01:05:27.020
 I believe we may be pivoting to the north side just because it may be less right of

01:05:27.020 --> 01:05:29.640
 way but it's still kind of in flux right now.

01:05:29.640 --> 01:05:32.520
 It's probably less right of way that we have to acquire.

01:05:32.520 --> 01:05:38.480
 So we haven't 100% determined what that looks like but we're in the design phase

01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:39.480
 right now.

01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:40.480
 Okay.

01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:41.480
 I appreciate that.

01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:42.480
 Yes, sir.

01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:51.680
 And then on slide 18 where we talked about the different street things, I sort of have

01:05:51.680 --> 01:05:54.200
 two related.

01:05:54.200 --> 01:06:02.160
 On the first 454, we have goals.

01:06:02.160 --> 01:06:06.600
 Are those goals under the need or they match the need?

01:06:06.600 --> 01:06:15.680
 And then the surface treatments we're doing, you know, most things under, surface treatments

01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:19.960
 is one of the ones that's over.

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.120
 What is contributing to, you know?

01:06:23.120 --> 01:06:29.560
 Is there something that this committee or council can do to help you better achieve

01:06:29.560 --> 01:06:30.560
 the goals?

01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:32.600
 And so those are the two questions there.

01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:34.000
 Are they based on real-world condition?

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.680
 Are they less than real-world conditions in terms of the goals?

01:06:36.680 --> 01:06:40.960
 And then what do you need to better match the goals?

01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:41.960
 Okay.

01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.660
 Dana Kramer, Deputy Director of Operations.

01:06:44.660 --> 01:06:50.760
 So our annual goals are based off the roadway funding strategy that came through council,

01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:55.680
 I think, either this past year or the year before, prior.

01:06:55.680 --> 01:07:02.040
 So on our maintenance goals, we'll take the surface treatment, as you're saying.

01:07:02.040 --> 01:07:07.080
 You know, they average out 31 and a half years, 31 and a half lane miles per year.

01:07:07.080 --> 01:07:12.120
 If you look at the roadway funding, some years there was 50, some years there was 10, it

01:07:12.120 --> 01:07:14.560
 would go, it would fluctuate.

01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:17.120
 You can't build a budget very well on that as you do that.

01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:23.100
 So we took an average across the board of what it would be over the lifespan of the

01:07:23.100 --> 01:07:27.280
 study of all of our roadways so that we could make sure that we could plan for it best we

01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.480
 could budgetary and go forward.

01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:38.040
 Mike, surface treatments are a, I wouldn't say cheap, but an efficient way to spend the

01:07:38.040 --> 01:07:42.740
 funds and to be able to extend the life of the roadway.

01:07:42.740 --> 01:07:49.600
 So when we find roadways that we can, that are in the right bandwidth on the OCI so that

01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:53.440
 we can put it on, if we have the funding, we try to go that way.

01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:58.480
 So we usually, for the surface treatments for micro seal, it's usually about 600,000

01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.180
 a year we budget for that.

01:08:00.180 --> 01:08:05.600
 So we usually base off our budget number as much as we can, some of the longer roadways,

01:08:05.600 --> 01:08:13.000
 the rider roadways, you won't get as much mileage because of the complexity of the traffic

01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.700
 control and everything that has to come out when they run that.

01:08:15.700 --> 01:08:19.840
 So we look mostly on the budget number and base those as we go forward to try to get

01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.000
 as much as we can in each year.

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:29.560
 Based on some of the recent issues that we've had, we kind of do as much as we can on the

01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.800
 residential and the thoroughfares and the collectors and everything, we try to stay

01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:37.860
 out of the smaller ones that don't get as much traffic because we end up getting, we're

01:08:37.860 --> 01:08:43.320
 looking at different options because we get a lot of complaints on the surface, the treatment

01:08:43.320 --> 01:08:51.000
 after how it looks, bicycles on the roads, roller skates and everything else after that.

01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:57.000
 It's not a cosmetic thing, but it's for longevity of the roadway, so we work on that.

01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.880
 Crack seal also is probably our cheapest and our best tool in our toolbox, anything over

01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:09.200
 a quarter of an inch we try to hit those up because as we get our freezes, our heat, our

01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:13.400
 summer, it contracts and expands, so we want to make sure that we seal the road so we don't

01:09:13.400 --> 01:09:17.880
 get the water in there, that's how we work on that.

01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.920
 As we're setting right now for our budget, we are set pretty well for our maintenance

01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:22.920
 side.

01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:29.280
 The roadway funding strategy did go forward with an additional five million a year and

01:09:29.280 --> 01:09:33.680
 we are still working with finance to make sure we, I think it was earlier this year

01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.720
 the, I can't remember the name of the group, but with the cryptocurrency, that was where

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.160
 part of the funding was coming from.

01:09:41.160 --> 01:09:47.520
 That's not a standard revenue fund, so it was supposed to be a little over two million

01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:53.880
 this year, we just got a little over one million this year that came in for that, so consistency

01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:58.120
 would help on that so that we can go forward with that on the reconstructs.

01:09:58.120 --> 01:10:06.080
 And a real brief follow-up, how, I noticed in some of the 2019 bond program, I forget

01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:12.480
 the neighborhood for the Northeast in the Idiots Hill area, but I've noticed some of

01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:17.960
 the construction there that is newly finished, already has crack seals and already has paint

01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:23.400
 down, or already has cracks, already has paint down, how much of that QAQC do we come in

01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:28.320
 after the, after the vendor lays down what is supposedly a finished road, or maybe you

01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:32.160
 could correct me, maybe that neighborhood isn't finished and y'all are going to still

01:10:32.160 --> 01:10:36.640
 do some finishing, but those brand new roads are already cracked and I wonder what it does

01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:37.640
 to these roads.

01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:42.640
 Sure, so that's something we try to check, we try to catch on the front end, so some

01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.840
 of those roads are not completed, we've caught some issues with our contractors and some

01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:51.400
 of the quality of the product they put down, and so some of those roads are not finished,

01:10:51.400 --> 01:10:55.240
 they're going to have to come back in and either do repairs or tear it out and do it

01:10:55.240 --> 01:11:00.400
 all again, so there are a couple of streets that are like that, and then also we have

01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:06.400
 a warranty period that we will monitor, so there are, there is some cracking, some types

01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:10.820
 of things that are within tolerance, and so typically what we'll do is we'll mark those

01:11:10.820 --> 01:11:16.000
 during our walk-throughs, and then when we come back to do our warranty walk at usually

01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.520
 about a year and a half, so we try to give ourselves a little time before the two year,

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:23.600
 we'll revisit those areas and make sure that they're still within tolerance.

01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.920
 If they're not, then the contractor's on the hook to come back in and do repairs.

01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:34.680
 No, I appreciate that, that I'm going to encourage us in the engineering to get that answer to

01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:40.040
 my question out into the public, because the public sees it as you fixed it, you fixed

01:11:40.040 --> 01:11:43.080
 it, you fixed it, you fixed it, you fixed it, it's never-ending fixing.

01:11:43.080 --> 01:11:44.080
 Correct.

01:11:44.080 --> 01:11:48.800
 And your answer to that question is half of their questions, like why are you constantly

01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.880
 fixing it, we're making them fix it.

01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:58.160
 So that's, it's annoying, but it's responsible, so thank you for that.

01:11:58.160 --> 01:11:59.160
 Thank you.

01:11:59.160 --> 01:12:00.160
 Yes, sir.

01:12:00.160 --> 01:12:04.800
 I would also add on the walk-throughs, capital projects works really well with our team,

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.320
 and we do have people from each division.

01:12:07.320 --> 01:12:10.720
 When we walk the streets, I have street staff that's out there walking with them, showing

01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.040
 issues that we see in everything else, same thing with utilities, they walk it when they

01:12:14.040 --> 01:12:15.520
 do those sections too.

01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.520
 I appreciate that, thank you gentlemen.

01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:19.640
 I have a generalized question.

01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.760
 Oh, what are you doing?

01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.040
 I just have a generalized question.

01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:31.920
 When people see those little flags out there, those little pink flags, yellow flags, that

01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:37.640
 kind of thing, I think I know the answer already, but the sake of education.

01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:38.640
 What does that mean?

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:44.080
 Does that mean something's getting ready to happen, or is that the design phase?

01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:45.240
 What does that mean to us?

01:12:45.240 --> 01:12:48.040
 Sure, so you'll see a couple of different things.

01:12:48.040 --> 01:12:51.680
 Some people use flags, some people use paint, so you may see blue paint, you may see yellow

01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:56.560
 paint, you may see all different kinds of paint, so each different color typically means

01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:02.000
 something else, but any time that anyone wants to do any kind of digging, so whether it's

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:06.200
 an outside utility, whether it's us, whether it's one of our contractors, they're required

01:13:06.200 --> 01:13:11.200
 to call in a utility locate, and so that's what those markings are.

01:13:11.200 --> 01:13:16.120
 It's a company that comes out and marks all those undergrounded utilities, and so what

01:13:16.120 --> 01:13:20.040
 they're doing is marking everything so that when somebody comes in and digs, the hope

01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:23.040
 is that they don't dig one of those things up.

01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:30.320
 So during a construction project, you may see multiple times where a flag comes and

01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:35.720
 puts out, it could be Atmos is going to come in before us and they're going to relocate

01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.720
 their lines, and so they have to call in a locate, and so you'll see flags come out or

01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:43.300
 paint go down, then they'll come out and do their work, and then whenever our contractor

01:13:43.300 --> 01:13:48.220
 comes on, they have to call in the same locate, so you might see those people come out again

01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:52.160
 and mark everything again, so you may see them come out every, it doesn't necessarily

01:13:52.160 --> 01:13:56.920
 mean that they're going to be digging in your yard, they have to mark within a certain radius

01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:01.360
 of where the work is supposed to happen, and so, but it's a good indicator that if you

01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:06.560
 see some markings fly, or some paint or some flags get put in your yard, that something's

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:07.560
 about to happen.

01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:08.560
 Okay.

01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:09.560
 Thank you.

01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:16.880
 The other thing that I have is how do you all work with the universities, not talking

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:21.400
 about Oakland Street, I already got it, Oakland Street, but I was over by University of North

01:14:21.400 --> 01:14:28.480
 Texas today, and I rode on Welch, which of course there's significant work being done

01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:36.600
 on Welch, but then I turned into where the university student life building, student

01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:40.320
 center, and it's just tragic.

01:14:40.320 --> 01:14:47.320
 So it came to mind, knowing that I would be coming to the mobility committee to ask, how

01:14:47.320 --> 01:14:52.280
 do you all get in there and work that, or is that the university's responsibility, or

01:14:52.280 --> 01:14:53.280
 what?

01:14:53.280 --> 01:14:59.000
 No ma'am, so the answer is extensively, and so the major project we have going on, we'll

01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.760
 take UNT for example, is the neighborhood two and six project.

01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:08.120
 So during design, we had multiple meetings with UNT, we communicated with them who was

01:15:08.120 --> 01:15:13.880
 the best person to work with, lots of communication with them, we moved construction around to

01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:18.360
 try to coordinate construction during the summer months where there's less people on

01:15:18.360 --> 01:15:20.480
 campus.

01:15:20.480 --> 01:15:25.080
 So you'll see some roads out there, I think maybe, I don't remember the name, maybe Chestnut

01:15:25.080 --> 01:15:28.540
 right now, we had the utilities come through during the summer when there wasn't a lot

01:15:28.540 --> 01:15:32.820
 of people out there, and then now it's just patched temporarily, and then next summer

01:15:32.820 --> 01:15:34.640
 when we come back, we'll do the roadway.

01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:39.200
 So we work with them on a daily basis, my project managers are in constant contact with

01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:44.320
 their field guys, and typically on a day-to-day basis, they're calling each other saying,

01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:48.440
 hey, this is an issue, or this is an issue, can we change this, can we move this, and

01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:51.840
 so constant communication with our partners.

01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:52.840
 Thank you.

01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:53.840
 Yes ma'am.

01:15:53.840 --> 01:16:04.360
 Ryany Road, slide 15, tell me specifically what that's gonna look like, and are we talking

01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:06.920
 between Bonnie Bray and Elm Street?

01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:07.920
 Yes.

01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:13.040
 So it's two separate projects, this specific one, Ryany Road East, is going to be from

01:16:13.040 --> 01:16:19.980
 Elm all the way to just to the east of where the school is going to be.

01:16:19.980 --> 01:16:26.920
 So if you've driven Ryany Road, at one point, once you get over towards Elm, it widens out

01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:28.940
 considerably right in front of the park.

01:16:28.940 --> 01:16:33.560
 So we're going to extend that, and it's going to be a uniform cross section all the way

01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.240
 from 77 to Bonnie Bray.

01:16:36.240 --> 01:16:40.840
 So Bonnie Bray Phase 6 is going to do a portion of Ryany Road, and then Ryany Road East is

01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.040
 going to continue that all the way to 77.

01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:48.160
 And is that four lanes, or is it two lanes in a turn lane?

01:16:48.160 --> 01:16:49.160
 Don't make me lie to you.

01:16:49.160 --> 01:16:51.720
 I'm not going to go look at it, but yeah.

01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:56.520
 Will it match what's already there on the Elm Street side?

01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:01.720
 Yes, you're talking about the Elm Street side, yes, correct, yes, sir.

01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:09.840
 And are we being penalized one way or another on the delay on Hickory Creek?

01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:15.040
 We had guys out there working, now they're not, because of the railroad.

01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:16.640
 Are we being penalized on that?

01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:23.200
 Sure, so there will be a cost that we will have to pay the contractor.

01:17:23.200 --> 01:17:24.560
 They've been delayed.

01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.680
 So we hold the contract with the contractor.

01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:29.880
 So as far as they're concerned, we're the ones who are delaying them.

01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:36.640
 So there's going to be price escalations from when they bid it originally, I guess three

01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:41.480
 years ago, two, three years ago, to now, everything has gone up.

01:17:41.480 --> 01:17:45.320
 So those are those conversations that I have with the contractor to try to mitigate those

01:17:45.320 --> 01:17:46.320
 costs.

01:17:46.320 --> 01:17:49.280
 But of course, you know, we want to be good partners with our contractors.

01:17:49.280 --> 01:17:54.680
 We understand that there is a higher cost of doing business now than it was two years

01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:55.920
 ago.

01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:00.520
 And so those are conversations I'm working through with them to see what that cost looks

01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:03.120
 like and how much more it's going to cost us.

01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:07.180
 I'm thinking there's no relief available from the railroad.

01:18:07.180 --> 01:18:08.180
 Not likely.

01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:09.180
 Okay.

01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:10.180
 Okay.

01:18:10.180 --> 01:18:11.180
 Thank you.

01:18:11.180 --> 01:18:13.560
 Yes, sir.

01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:14.560
 Thanks first of all for answering.

01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.120
 I don't know if anyone else helped answer my million questions I sent in.

01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:19.240
 Y'all can all read it in the back up if you didn't see it.

01:18:19.240 --> 01:18:23.200
 But thank you for answering all of my questions in writing.

01:18:23.200 --> 01:18:24.600
 I have a question.

01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.000
 Hopefully this one doesn't put you on the spot.

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:31.840
 What is the average cost to reconstruct one lane mile of asphalt roadway fish?

01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:39.200
 I'll take a ballpark, a range, one lane mile of asphalt roadway reconstruction.

01:18:39.200 --> 01:18:40.200
 It's about one million dollars.

01:18:40.200 --> 01:18:41.200
 Okay.

01:18:41.200 --> 01:18:42.200
 That's normally what I budget.

01:18:42.200 --> 01:18:44.680
 What was the answer?

01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:45.680
 One million.

01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:46.680
 Per lane mile.

01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:47.680
 Asphalt.

01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.240
 So I'm not going to ask about concrete.

01:18:50.240 --> 01:18:56.640
 So our back up said that roads last anywhere from 28 to 59 years before we need to replace

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:57.640
 them.

01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:02.240
 And that depends on whether we maintain them, traffic, weather, that kind of thing.

01:19:02.240 --> 01:19:08.520
 So we have 1,530 lane miles of roads according to the written answer.

01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:14.000
 So I know things become due at different times based on high growth times.

01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.000
 We built a whole bunch of roads at the same time, things like that.

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:24.560
 But if we averaged it out, so those 1,530 lane miles of roads, we should be reconstructing

01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:30.600
 an average of 25 to 55 lane miles per year-ish if we average it out.

01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.840
 And I know that's not how the real world works.

01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:39.800
 Do you know how many lane miles of roadway we're reconstructing each year-ish ballpark?

01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:42.200
 No.

01:19:42.200 --> 01:19:43.200
 We can look at that.

01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:47.520
 I mean, the majority of them that we send over to capital projects and they run the larger

01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.680
 scale projects, we have the ability in-house as a maintenance crew to be able to do that.

01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:56.520
 We are probably one of the few, if one of the only, in most of the U.S. or Texas that

01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.640
 actually has the ability to do reconstructions in-house.

01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:01.520
 Most people don't do that.

01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.740
 We use that ability on our metrics.

01:20:04.740 --> 01:20:09.720
 We just try to set it up to one lane mile a year is kind of where we set that with the

01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:15.880
 ability of something turned south to be able to do more.

01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:20.520
 For instance, a mill and overlay, we've had many instances, we go through our clearing

01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:23.040
 process as we normally do.

01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:27.680
 We'll run it through utilities and franchise utilities and internal to make sure there's

01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:31.240
 no other issues that need to be replaced or that they need to get in there first before

01:20:31.240 --> 01:20:34.600
 we reconstruct the road so we don't tear it up again.

01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.840
 We do that whether we do a mill and overlay or a reconstruct.

01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:44.360
 If it's in the proper OCI range for a mill and overlay, we still clear it for a reconstruct

01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:49.840
 because we have a lot of roads in the city that aren't up to the same standards when

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:50.840
 they were built.

01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.280
 They have very thin asphalt and it's really amazing that they're still holding together.

01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:58.360
 The moment you take the top off, the road turns into a waterbed and you drive trucks

01:20:58.360 --> 01:20:59.920
 over and it does this.

01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:04.660
 We are stuck at that point to have to go into a reconstruct to stabilize the subgrade.

01:21:04.660 --> 01:21:08.600
 We ran into that in the Oaks and Montecito that we're currently working in right now.

01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:14.080
 We were supposed to do probably 90% of those roads in there were supposed to be mill and

01:21:14.080 --> 01:21:16.040
 overlays.

01:21:16.040 --> 01:21:21.260
 It's pretty much flipped the whole other direction and most of them have been reconstructs.

01:21:21.260 --> 01:21:26.360
 When it gets to that point, we'll do soil samples and figure out what we need to mix

01:21:26.360 --> 01:21:30.160
 and how we need to go the next steps forward.

01:21:30.160 --> 01:21:34.620
 The roadway funding strategy as it went through, and I think the slides were included also,

01:21:34.620 --> 01:21:39.280
 it was an extra $5 million a year that they talked about just for street reconstructs

01:21:39.280 --> 01:21:46.060
 with bond programs coming up consistently to be able to get our backlog down.

01:21:46.060 --> 01:21:49.900
 That is the plan that we're going with and trying to make sure that because the issue

01:21:49.900 --> 01:21:56.720
 that we have as Trevor knows, we're going to influx all this funding right now.

01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:02.360
 We're going to bring all the failing, the bad streets all the way up to good and then

01:22:02.360 --> 01:22:07.480
 you do your maintenance so that as they slowly slide in, you hit them towards the very end

01:22:07.480 --> 01:22:11.600
 and bring them up to the next level so that we don't ... Your best bet is to have a bell

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.360
 curve so you have most of your streets in the middle on the maintenance side and as

01:22:15.360 --> 01:22:19.600
 two or three fall off, you rebuild them and they move back up to good.

01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:28.040
 History-wise here, in the city that was decades ago, way before probably anybody was here,

01:22:28.040 --> 01:22:36.360
 we didn't focus a lot on maintenance so we're sitting at almost an inverse bell so we got

01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:40.320
 a lot that are very good, that are coming up with new development and that Capital Projects

01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:44.000
 is running and we also got a lot better on the other end.

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.600
 We're trying to build up that maintenance program, make sure we stay on top of it so

01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.360
 we don't have to keep doing this big influx of all these streets all the time when we

01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.080
 come in so we can keep them going.

01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:57.000
 I think I just have one more.

01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.600
 I appreciate that we are now looking at maintenance.

01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:04.880
 We're trying to keep that funded, try to keep that ahead of ... Stay ahead of the game on

01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:09.280
 that because I know that it's more expensive to not maintain it and have to replace it

01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:12.000
 every 28 years or whatever so I know it's cheaper to make sure that we're staying on

01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:14.280
 top of the maintenance.

01:23:14.280 --> 01:23:17.160
 We fund that, we know that we're going to have to maintain the roads.

01:23:17.160 --> 01:23:21.880
 We are funding that through our general fund, through revenue.

01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.000
 That's not really debt like crack seal, mill and overlay.

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:30.000
 The street budget is mainly franchise fees.

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:34.160
 Not debt is really where I'm going there but then we know we're going to eventually have

01:23:34.160 --> 01:23:39.920
 to replace all the streets at some point but we're paying for that with debt which is much

01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:44.920
 more expensive and I don't know who I'm asking the question to but what's kind of preventing

01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:55.000
 us from planning or maybe shifting our funding strategy to the less expensive option of revenue

01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:56.800
 instead of debt?

01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.840
 I know we're shifting there a little with the five million that council passed which

01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.800
 thank you by the way.

01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:04.320
 We've been looking at it a lot of different ways.

01:24:04.320 --> 01:24:07.280
 We're working with finance, CMO's office.

01:24:07.280 --> 01:24:11.000
 There's a lot of different funding mechanisms out there in different ways to go.

01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.120
 The roadway funding strategy put a few up there.

01:24:14.120 --> 01:24:18.560
 Some of them were, some cities have done, I forget what it's called, a roadway user

01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:24.960
 fee that they put in to the businesses and everybody lives here.

01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.480
 There's different options and we're looking through those and looking at different options

01:24:28.480 --> 01:24:30.400
 that we can bring forward.

01:24:30.400 --> 01:24:34.040
 It'll be to this committee and probably to council too before anything can move forward.

01:24:34.040 --> 01:24:38.400
 Okay, well I'll be really curious to see where that goes.

01:24:38.400 --> 01:24:43.040
 If we assumed that things were built evenly over the years and not in big bulk, you know,

01:24:43.040 --> 01:24:47.640
 high growth times, it looks like we should be spending or budgeting for roughly 25 to

01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:52.440
 55 million dollars per year for reconstruction of roads and I don't think we're that close

01:24:52.440 --> 01:24:54.560
 to that at this time.

01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:57.400
 Which I know we're trying to like influx it with a bunch of bond funding but in terms

01:24:57.400 --> 01:25:02.960
 of like long term, we should be spending like 25 to 55 million per year and today's dollars

01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:09.040
 reconstructing streets or at least budgeting for that and I think our, the 2019 bond was

01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:15.000
 like 70 million I think and that's like 12, 15 million dollars a year to reconstruct roads

01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.080
 so we're, yeah, we're working on it.

01:25:17.080 --> 01:25:20.080
 So thank you for the progress you're making, I know it's not an easy thing to do.

01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:24.080
 Well and the one thing I do want to throw in on that is, you know, the 70 million of

01:25:24.080 --> 01:25:25.960
 that was focusing on roadways.

01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:31.940
 So then we also look at water, wastewater, franchise fees, so everybody else underneath

01:25:31.940 --> 01:25:33.280
 the road drainage.

01:25:33.280 --> 01:25:39.940
 So that's where we get running into, you know, the road costs just go up exponentially when

01:25:39.940 --> 01:25:45.800
 you have to replace all the utilities under and so that's where the budgetary constraints

01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:48.200
 come in a lot of times when we start having to do everything.

01:25:48.200 --> 01:25:52.680
 And also thank you for whoever's idea it was to combine those two things together, I've

01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:55.640
 been explaining it to people and they're like why did they rip it up and then yeah, fix

01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:57.160
 it and then rip it up, yeah.

01:25:57.160 --> 01:26:00.040
 So thanks for saving us money on that.

01:26:00.040 --> 01:26:04.360
 You had anything else, Mr. King?

01:26:04.360 --> 01:26:05.360
 All right.

01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:06.360
 Thank you.

01:26:06.360 --> 01:26:08.160
 Thank you so much for that presentation.

01:26:08.160 --> 01:26:14.880
 And I just want to make sure that we've clarified that Susie Roomer has directed us to spend

01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:19.720
 25 million per year on roads.

01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:20.720
 Thank you.

01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:21.720
 That's what the people want.

01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:22.720
 Okay.

01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:24.120
 Give the people what they want.

01:26:24.120 --> 01:26:25.120
 Okay.

01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:27.840
 So our next amount of time that we have left.

01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:36.320
 I know that we are doing an excellent job in, you know, finishing up time management.

01:26:36.320 --> 01:26:38.040
 We have other meetings to attend.

01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:42.400
 So we're going to go on to MC 24-032.

01:26:42.400 --> 01:26:49.760
 I can see right here of this road crossing light on Moore Street in Woodrow.

01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:57.520
 Yeah, yeah, oh, come on Joe.

01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.000
 Road crossing for light on Moore Street in Woodrow for safety.

01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:01.640
 I'm excited about that.

01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:06.160
 So we'll start up here with bicycle friendly community designation.

01:27:06.160 --> 01:27:15.520
 Does anyone have any questions, comments or concerns beyond what we've received?

01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:20.640
 Bike path and pedestrian coordination for new razor bike bus.

01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:21.640
 Yes.

01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:22.640
 Yes, sir.

01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:31.520
 Yeah, no, I just I wonder how I haven't been able to get over with Stephanie and see how

01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:32.520
 that's going.

01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:38.120
 And we're quite a ways into the school year now where we've probably kind of worked out

01:27:38.120 --> 01:27:42.200
 any kinks for her and I wonder if we could just do a one or two sentence on how it's

01:27:42.200 --> 01:27:51.480
 going with her and the bike bus and what we were able to accomplish for her on that.

01:27:51.480 --> 01:27:57.240
 And as that's fine as a pilot and, you know, with an eye towards piloting other schools

01:27:57.240 --> 01:27:58.240
 by right.

01:27:58.240 --> 01:27:59.240
 Exactly.

01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:00.560
 And we're going the same direction.

01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:09.280
 So we we took the bike ride with them and it was it was great enlightening.

01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:19.120
 She has given us some requests for things that we can do to improve the safety and comfort

01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:22.160
 of those routes.

01:28:22.160 --> 01:28:27.920
 And when Jandra comes back, we will be looking at those.

01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:38.200
 I just got them yesterday and we have talked to the principal of Alexander Elementary

01:28:38.200 --> 01:28:42.240
 School about doing something similar.

01:28:42.240 --> 01:28:44.160
 She's very interested.

01:28:44.160 --> 01:28:55.240
 We're connecting her up with Stephanie and we'll see if we can spread the good news.

01:28:55.240 --> 01:29:05.240
 I know Mr. Preston, the principal at Nettie Schultz is very interested in he and his staff

01:29:05.240 --> 01:29:10.320
 can't do it, obviously, but, you know, coordinating with the office to get it going.

01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:11.320
 Yeah.

01:29:11.320 --> 01:29:12.320
 So thank you for that.

01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:13.320
 I appreciate it.

01:29:13.320 --> 01:29:23.040
 You know, I just want to add that Greg Scott, Greg Scott, Greg, but you've been in front

01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:24.040
 of us before, though.

01:29:24.040 --> 01:29:27.120
 Yes, I have spoken with us before.

01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:28.120
 Maybe for people.

01:29:28.120 --> 01:29:29.120
 Yeah.

01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:30.120
 For the people.

01:29:30.120 --> 01:29:31.120
 Yeah.

01:29:31.120 --> 01:29:32.120
 Yeah.

01:29:32.120 --> 01:29:44.920
 I'm trying to say that Alex Alexander, as well as Tomas Rivera is sitting in that very,

01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:50.300
 you know, busy spot on that McKinney and that Woodrow Road.

01:29:50.300 --> 01:29:55.200
 So thank you all for being cognizant of that and, you know, helping us to work through

01:29:55.200 --> 01:29:56.200
 that.

01:29:56.200 --> 01:29:57.200
 Yeah.

01:29:57.200 --> 01:29:59.320
 There's a lot of kids live on those on those roadways and those apartment complexes.

01:29:59.320 --> 01:30:00.320
 Right.

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:01.320
 All right.

01:30:01.320 --> 01:30:02.320
 Anyone else?

01:30:02.320 --> 01:30:07.720
 What about the already talked about more street and Woodrow for safety.

01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:12.560
 I'm so excited to let them know that as a matter of fact, the superintendent of schools

01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:17.120
 saw her the other evening, I was trying to feel her in a little bit on that Woodrow situation

01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:18.120
 we got there.

01:30:18.120 --> 01:30:21.040
 Tomas Rivera and those new apartments over there on Woodrow.

01:30:21.040 --> 01:30:25.320
 So she's going to be I'm going to let her know.

01:30:25.320 --> 01:30:31.480
 Anybody construction report anybody have any questions, comments, concerns regarding the

01:30:31.480 --> 01:30:33.360
 quarterly construction report?

01:30:33.360 --> 01:30:34.360
 Yes, sir.

01:30:34.360 --> 01:30:43.360
 I want to say that the hundred and forty five pages, I appreciate the master's dissertation

01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:50.840
 that we had to read and I will be honest that I'm I'm only probably a hundred pages in through

01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:56.200
 in terms of a skimming through it, but and that all sounds like snark and it's not meant

01:30:56.200 --> 01:30:57.200
 to be.

01:30:57.200 --> 01:31:01.240
 I want to praise all the staff that contributed to all those.

01:31:01.240 --> 01:31:07.720
 It's an amazingly complete set of reports for all these this and the and the other items

01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:15.360
 that are in this section with it is just chock-a-block full of data and I really want to praise you

01:31:15.360 --> 01:31:16.360
 all.

01:31:16.360 --> 01:31:20.300
 It is really demonstrative of the amount of work that engineering transportation streets

01:31:20.300 --> 01:31:23.600
 everybody capital projects is all doing.

01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:27.600
 It's an amazing amount of work and you know, I'm really glad to see that.

01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:32.460
 I hope you all get a chance to talk about it at the October 1st State of the State at

01:31:32.460 --> 01:31:38.920
 your booths, but I just want to praise you all for for that that one piece.

01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:41.160
 I do have one comment.

01:31:41.160 --> 01:31:50.080
 I think you mixed up East Windsor and Old North when you went in in the description the data

01:31:50.080 --> 01:31:57.560
 don't match the title or I mean they just got they just got mixed.

01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:03.320
 So you might just check that for a final report to put put the right elements with the right

01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:04.320
 elements.

01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:09.240
 It looked like all the data and everything was correct, but just for whatever final version

01:32:09.240 --> 01:32:11.160
 is available to the public.

01:32:11.160 --> 01:32:17.560
 You might just swap that and maybe it was just this for us that got jumbled.

01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:23.560
 But yeah, no, I appreciate everybody's efforts on all these things, you know, both you and

01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:25.560
 Dr. Butts.

01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:26.560
 Thank you.

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:27.560
 We appreciate that.

01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:28.560
 Oh, I did have one question.

01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:33.520
 I'm not sure if it's the for this quarterly report.

01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:34.520
 Well, you know what?

01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:35.880
 I'll just save it for the matrix at the end.

01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:39.560
 All right, a quarterly transportation report.

01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:43.440
 Anybody have any transportation questions?

01:32:43.440 --> 01:32:47.160
 Okay, we're good with that.

01:32:47.160 --> 01:32:55.040
 And then the last is a five year CIP presentation email questions and answers that we move through

01:32:55.040 --> 01:32:56.040
 that.

01:32:56.040 --> 01:32:59.160
 Anybody have any additional questions, comments or concerns about that?

01:32:59.160 --> 01:33:04.440
 Whether there's no any any additional comments, questions or concerns about anything, we will

01:33:04.440 --> 01:33:06.040
 declare this meeting.

01:33:06.040 --> 01:33:09.040
 Oh, oh, I'm sorry.

01:33:09.040 --> 01:33:13.520
 Oh, I forgot to turn over the page over.

01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:17.080
 We're not in see concluding items.

01:33:17.080 --> 01:33:21.240
 Are there any concluding items?

01:33:21.240 --> 01:33:23.360
 We'll start here.

01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:27.640
 The DCTA board meeting is tomorrow for the month, if anyone is interested in watching

01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:28.640
 that.

01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:31.520
 And what time would that be?

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:36.680
 So it's a 10 10 10 a.m. tomorrow, the CTA board meeting.

01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:37.680
 Yes, sir.

01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:46.280
 Yeah, I did have one after the after the downtown master plan came out at council, I had a couple

01:33:46.280 --> 01:33:50.560
 of questions I thought I would to the consultant, I thought I'd bring it up here to sort of

01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.840
 prime the pump, not really expecting any answers, but I know some of the elements of the downtown

01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:55.840
 master plan.

01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:00.200
 There were they were talking about, you know, certain new types of crosswalks, certain race

01:34:00.200 --> 01:34:05.580
 crosswalks, certain lighting and signalization.

01:34:05.580 --> 01:34:07.320
 We don't have it in the DDC right now.

01:34:07.320 --> 01:34:10.360
 We're in the transportation criteria and manual.

01:34:10.360 --> 01:34:16.480
 So I know that's a multi year plan as we go through that.

01:34:16.480 --> 01:34:21.200
 But those sorts of preamble code amendments are going to have to be in place before we

01:34:21.200 --> 01:34:25.160
 do any projects or we won't be able to do the projects because we don't have the matching

01:34:25.160 --> 01:34:26.160
 elements.

01:34:26.160 --> 01:34:30.720
 So I'm just going to encourage the team here to get that early and often so that there's

01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:37.200
 no roadblocks when we get to the policy parts and the funding parts and whatnot that we

01:34:37.200 --> 01:34:42.560
 already have those code elements ready to go so that we don't have to have a hurry up

01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:49.920
 and wait meeting for either PNC or DCRC to like fix it all of a sudden.

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.920
 So I'm just going to encourage and for this group, the mobility, but I'll be bringing

01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.100
 it up with all the different part.

01:34:56.100 --> 01:35:01.560
 So thank you.

01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.320
 Council member Holly.

01:35:04.320 --> 01:35:08.160
 I am anxious to experiment with a speed table.

01:35:08.160 --> 01:35:10.000
 Is that one of the items that you're speaking of?

01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:15.080
 There were speed tables and they talked about speed cushions.

01:35:15.080 --> 01:35:26.720
 It may be the same thing.

01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:33.160
 Greg Scott, city of Denton, bike pad ADA coordinator.

01:35:33.160 --> 01:35:36.000
 So they're not exactly the same thing.

01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:40.920
 We had a presentation before I think you came on the mobility.

01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:51.800
 The basic difference is that a speed cushion has channels for emergency vehicle tires to

01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:59.120
 go through without going up and over the raised portion.

01:35:59.120 --> 01:36:02.600
 That is the difference.

01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:09.160
 And a speed table is a raised area that takes up the entire intersection?

01:36:09.160 --> 01:36:11.080
 Well, there's raised intersections.

01:36:11.080 --> 01:36:24.520
 I think the speed table is more how I know of it as similar that extends just across

01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:25.520
 the street.

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.520
 Okay.

01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:27.520
 Thank you.

01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:28.520
 Thank you.

01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:29.520
 You okay?

01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:30.520
 Okay.

01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:31.520
 Yes.

01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:32.520
 Thank you.

01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:38.320
 I'm going to have a shout out and then a request.

01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:42.360
 So shout out to Catherine Barnett from sustainability and Brian Beck.

01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:48.400
 We were at the Texas trails and transportation conference earlier this month and Brian moderated

01:36:48.400 --> 01:36:51.240
 a panel about Denton's e-bike rebate and how successful that's been.

01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:54.200
 And we compared it with Austin energy's 10 year old e-bike rebate program.

01:36:54.200 --> 01:36:59.000
 And it was really fun to see the comparison between our, our like baby little program

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:04.520
 versus a 10 year old and council member Beck did a great job moderating as well.

01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:09.760
 Also shout out to Gary Pack and at that same conference was on a panel about local bonds

01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:12.180
 for active transportation.

01:37:12.180 --> 01:37:16.920
 And so he was up there with somebody from Austin, Houston, and like a national guy and

01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:18.340
 Gary did a really great job too.

01:37:18.340 --> 01:37:21.740
 So that was really exciting to have Denton representatives there.

01:37:21.740 --> 01:37:26.360
 And then my request is I think it was two meetings ago and it was Scott McDonald was

01:37:26.360 --> 01:37:34.320
 in the hot seat that month, but I tried to, I tried to request that we as a committee

01:37:34.320 --> 01:37:40.200
 discuss sort of the structure of the committee and what we're focusing on to make sure we're

01:37:40.200 --> 01:37:45.920
 looking at high level policy type of stuff and try to not get too distracted by a lower

01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:48.480
 level one-off stuff.

01:37:48.480 --> 01:37:52.500
 And maybe the way I could rephrase this is, so we have a mobility plan, we have a written

01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:58.080
 mobility plan that has goals and it has strategies in it, but I don't really hear those mentioned

01:37:58.080 --> 01:37:59.080
 in presentation.

01:37:59.080 --> 01:38:04.760
 So it's hard to tell if we're implementing the plan or you know, which items attached

01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:08.280
 to which strategies or which goals in our mobility plan.

01:38:08.280 --> 01:38:12.040
 So I don't know if that needs to be a future discussion to talk about how we want to do

01:38:12.040 --> 01:38:17.200
 that or if I should just request when we have a topic come up, how does it tie into a goal

01:38:17.200 --> 01:38:19.720
 or strategy from the mobility plan?

01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:24.560
 I think you just made the request and we are listening and we'll make sure staff includes

01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:25.560
 that.

01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:26.560
 Okay.

01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:27.560
 Thank you.

01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:32.160
 And would that be something that we would discuss monthly or is this going to be a quarterly

01:38:32.160 --> 01:38:33.160
 request or?

01:38:33.160 --> 01:38:39.960
 So we're getting, I mean, sufficient information, just a better idea of when we get a presentation,

01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:44.960
 how does that tie into the stated goals or strategies within our 2022 mobility plan,

01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:45.960
 the written portion.

01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:49.720
 Similar to when we present the council as a body, we'll make sure that we include which

01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:54.120
 one is tied to which strategic priority and how that links.

01:38:54.120 --> 01:38:55.120
 Yeah.

01:38:55.120 --> 01:38:56.120
 Thank you.

01:38:56.120 --> 01:38:57.120
 Thank you for that.

01:38:57.120 --> 01:39:02.240
 No, no, I was, Frank said what I was going to say, so I'm going to shut up.

01:39:02.240 --> 01:39:03.240
 The experts speak.

01:39:03.240 --> 01:39:04.240
 No, I'm just kidding.

01:39:04.240 --> 01:39:07.240
 When is our next meeting?

01:39:07.240 --> 01:39:08.240
 When is our next meeting?

01:39:08.240 --> 01:39:12.320
 It's usually the last Wednesday of the month, October the 30th.

01:39:12.320 --> 01:39:13.320
 Thank you.

01:39:13.320 --> 01:39:15.320
 Oh, that's the great Halloween day.

01:39:15.320 --> 01:39:17.640
 One thing, sort of.

01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:18.640
 Halloweeny.

01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:19.640
 Halloweeny.

01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:29.680
 So, I guess we'll thank you all for your input, concluding items, all right, no concluding

01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:37.880
 items and I guess we can, or we will conclude this meeting at 1139 a.m.

01:39:37.880 --> 01:39:40.320
 Thank you all very much.