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 We are here for our City of Denton Mobility Committee, Wednesday, September 25th, 10 a.m.

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 Council Work Session Room.

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 We do have a quorum here this morning.

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 Citizen comments on agenda items.

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 Do we have any citizen's comments on the agenda items?

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 No comments on the agenda item.

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 We're going to move on to number two.

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 Items for individual consideration.

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 Consider approval of the minutes.

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 Has everyone gone through the minutes?

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 Can we get a motion for approval for the minutes?

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 I so move.

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 Of August 28th.

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 Second.

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 I'll approve.

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 Say aye.

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 Aye.

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 All right.

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 Unanimous consent on that.

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 Thank you.

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 I move on to BMC 24-030, receive a report and all the discussion regarding the downtown

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 parking study summary findings.

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 May I please remind us that this is contained to a 25 minute conversation.

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 Thank you.

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 We all know why.

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 I was looking at the cheese.

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 Good morning.

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 Can y'all hear me?

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 I think I have to talk into this thing.

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 So if you'll recall while we're getting it pulled up, it's been a minute since we talked

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 about parking.

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 We were here last month.

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 My colleague Natalie had talked about the scope of the project.

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 Some of our study methodology and some findings.

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 She was otherwise committed today so you get me, sorry.

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 So what I want to do is not rehash what she talked about.

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 At the last committee meeting, there was some talk of if there were questions to send them

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 to the chair.

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 I didn't get any myself, but if you have any on what was presented last time, I will do

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 my best.

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 What I thought we would do then is continue where we left off.

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 I've got one slide that kind of rehashes what we talked about and then we'll talk about

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 some strategies which we didn't really have time to talk about last time.

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 We'll discuss those.

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 I'm Josh.

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 Nice to meet you.

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 So the study area that we looked at, we drew a line around downtown is about 2762 public

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 available city controlled spaces.

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 So we did a utilization and turnover study in October of last year and found that Denton,

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 if you look, downtown Denton, if you look at it on the whole, has enough supply to meet

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 the demand.

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 Now, of course, there are parts of downtown that are more in demand than others.

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 So the peak parking utilization occurred on the weekend, which probably doesn't come as

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 a surprise to a lot of folks.

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 The other thing that's probably not surprising is the street parking and parking lots closest

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 to the square had the highest parking utilization.

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 It was highest on street compared to off street and we showed you all those numbers last time.

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 I think those slides are probably in your packet.

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 If you want to go back and look at them, we also have the slides, I think, available electronically.

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 And then the last thing we looked at, the existing, not only can it accommodate current

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 demand, but the existing study area could accommodate, I think there were four developments

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 that were definitely in the hopper that we looked at and made sure we could accommodate

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 those.

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 So that was a quick rehash of what we talked about last time.

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 So what we also did in the study is lay out some near term, long, near term, mid term

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 and long term strategies.

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 I'm just going to, I think, focus on near term today.

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 That was, that was my charge.

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 If we want to take extra time, we can talk about some of the mid term and long term as

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 But I, this group was talkative last time, so maybe we'll just talk about the near term

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 strategies.

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 So yeah.

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 There are some, and I'll talk about why we call them near term, but increasing and enhancing

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 static signage.

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 And I, and I realize, I think about this every time I come into Denton, cause I'm coming

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 in from Plano and coming off Dallas and Bell.

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 And the first sign I see, I think is at Hickory and it says parking left, right or straight.

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 And so that, that's just one example and the, and the sign is relatively small.

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 So it's, I don't want to pick on that one sign, but in a sort of sign rehab program,

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 you would look at the size of the signs, the color of the signs.

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 There are standard METCD signs for this.

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 And then also strategizing where you want to direct people.

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 The general, it's kind of like a parking garage, you want to try to, or a Ikea, you want to

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 direct people to where you, where the underutilized parts of the, of Denton, because they obviously

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 know where parking is at the square.

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 So show them where parking isn't first, that kind of strategy.

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 And then just more of that signage and enhanced.

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 If you go to other cities that have very formalized parking programs, you know, the signs might,

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 you might have parking programs that signs that show fluorescent yellow signs.

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 So wherever you are in Denton, just kind of look around and it won't be hard to identify

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 where the parking supply is.

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 Implement time limits and restrictions.

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 There is some of that already, but obviously the general idea is that you want parking

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 to turn over most often in the places where all of your businesses are and where the highest

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 parking demand is.

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 So on the square, for example, you allow that parking to turn over every, you decide, it

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 could be every 15 minutes, every hour.

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 But generally what that allows is parking supply for other people to use it.

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 And it will also increase the business receipts of the people there, because you're just allowing

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 more people access to those businesses.

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 What we've found, what many people have found, historically across the country is you increase

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 parking turnover, it helps businesses out.

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 Now one thing, one side effect that that can have is the businesses have employees, those

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 employees need to park somewhere.

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 And sometimes if you implement these parking restrictions, parking time restrictions and

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 have pretty strict enforcement, it's a hardship for them.

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 So what we can also consider is assigning parking locations.

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 The same goes for residents, if you have residents downtown, but for the employees.

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 Assign a place for them to park regardless of where they are downtown.

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 You could even have them park in time-limited lots, for example, and give them placards.

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 So maybe it's a 30-minute lot, but they have a mirror hanger that says they can park all

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 The time limits are not as, I'll talk about this in a second, but the time limits have

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 minimal effectiveness.

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 If you don't have enforcement, that goes without saying, so you can put up all kinds of signage,

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 but unless you have people actually enforcing that, they'll be of limited use.

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 For the parking locations, we have some examples of it.

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 City of Plano has sort of an informal employee parking program.

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 They have some lots identified around downtown where employees are supposed to park.

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 So enforcing parking is an obvious near-term strategy.

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 Whether to enforce is one decision, and then how you enforce is another, and by how I mean

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 whether you do it yourselves or with a third-party parking enforcement company.

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 But they are there to try to enforce the time limits that you have.

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 If you wanted to consider paid parking, they would also enforce that.

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 Got one more slide, I think, on the near-term strategies.

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 Maybe moving the needle less, but accommodating TNCs, and I realized when I went through the

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 dry run that I need to define what TNCs are.

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 It's a transportation network company.

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 It's a silly term that traffic engineers use for Uber and Lyft, so it's ride-hailing.

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 But essentially what you're trying to do is reduce demand.

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 If you make it very visible to everybody that there's a nice, safe, curbside place where

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 Ubers and Lyfts can drop off their passengers, maybe they'll take it rather than take in

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 Adopting a regular schedule for data collection and performance tracking, I forget exactly

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 what the saying is, but if you don't track it, you won't know what your performance is.

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 Somebody help me with that saying.

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 If you don't define it, you can't track it.

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 Anyway, the point is, you invested in the study that the city and us did.

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 It helps if you do that regularly, so you can track travel behavior, how people are

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 traveling in Denton, how you can react, but most importantly, you can measure the effectiveness

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 of the strategies that you do implement.

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 And then finally, updating parking standards, and I think this is going to be more of a

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 focus of the city-wide study, that's a separate effort going on right now, but that goes back

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 to the reduction of demand.

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 If you can change the amount of parking that you require developments to provide, and couple

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 that with improving mobility through other modes, just like the TNCs, you're getting

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 people to arrive downtown without having a car with them, so reduces your need for parking.

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 The reason we picked all of these as near-term strategies is, generally, they don't cost

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 a heck of a lot, and they can be implemented relatively quickly.

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 Those are sort of relative terms.

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 The exceptions to that, of course, are parking enforcement.

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 If you don't have a program already, that can be an investment, whether you're investing

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 in your own staff and vehicles, or you're investing in a company to do it.

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 And then doing that regular performance tracking.

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 You have to hire a company, we had to hire a company to go collect that data, unless

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 you want to invest a lot of money, and there are cities that do have systems where you're

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 actually 24/7 sort of tracking the occupancy of a parking space.

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 That's a huge investment, that's more of a mid-long-term strategy, but in the near-term,

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 you can do these studies regularly.

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 And generally, none of them take a lot of time to implement, you just have to decide

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 to do it and how you're going to do it.

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 The enforcement is probably a longer conversation, the standards are a longer conversation, because

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 you have to decide which standards you're going to change, meet with the development

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 community and planning, and then there, of course, is a formal city process, you have

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 So we put three clocks on that one, because that could take a while.

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 So I'm going to pause there.

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 That was, I don't know, eight minutes or something like that.

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 I do have other strategies that we can talk about, but I wanted to pause and see if there

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 are any questions.

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 Well, thank you very much for pausing there, I was going to ask you to pause there.

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 And I think what I want us to do is just to step, step, step, step, step with our questions

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 and try to get them all in, get them answered here as quickly as possible way, and Susie.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 So thank you for the presentation, thanks for coming back again, I'm glad that you got

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 to see that lovely courtyard out there with all the decorations that match with your purple

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 Take one of them.

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 So I mean, what I'm definitely hearing about the near term strategies is they do cost some

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 They cost staff resources, which I know can be really expensive, do we have, you know,

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 I don't know who currently enforces our parking downtown, is it police, somebody else.

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 And that costs money.

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 And tracking data, that's time, that's money as well.

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 I have heard of other cities, and maybe you've heard of this too, that do charge a certain

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 amount for parking such that there's always one or two spots available per block, and

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 then that revenue gets reinvested in the area where it came from.

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 So in theory, that could fund this enforcement, it could fund possibly beautification of the

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 streets in the area, but also it makes it easier to find the parking, right?

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 And you said that parking turnover is what helps the businesses, right, more customers

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 flowing through.

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 And so I've heard of cities that have implemented paid parking, you know, that's not too high

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 or too low, what we want is one to two spaces per block so that somebody can always find

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 a space if they want to, could be a way that we could pay for that.

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 And I know I saw that that's one of the longer term strategies, but that could be a really

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 exciting opportunity that we could look into to fund some of this to make sure we're getting

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 that turnover for businesses, to make sure that, you know, that people can find spaces

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 when they're looking for it.

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 Paid parking, it's a very common thing, there's a lot of common in a lot of spaces, thank you.

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 I just made some random notes here as you were speaking, I was surprised that weekend

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 parking was at a greater premium than weekday parking, and I guess my rationale was that

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 more businesses are open on the weekdays, but maybe that's not so around the square.

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 My recollection is that it's Saturday evening, so you're getting a lot of people there, and

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 I haven't memorized the businesses on the square, but there's a lot of restaurants,

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 bars, so people are there, I don't know, watching football games or something, but that's when

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 we saw the highest, I think was in the 70%, there's a slide in here somewhere that shows

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 you the actual numbers, but.

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 70% of the, what, was it 2,300, 2,700 parking spaces, that surprises me, I didn't know that.

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 I personally have been frustrated with the back end parking that we have done on East

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 I have called it a failure, but we've got a lot invested in it, so I guess we're going

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 to continue it.

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 One of the things that frustrates me about that is if it's back end parking, I can deal

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 Just tell me the rules, and I'll try to play within the rules, but people that either don't

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 care or don't know will drive across the centerline and park front facing in a rear facing, if

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 Back end.

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 Yes, now, when we started this, there was enforcement, and there are signs that indicate

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 that there is a, maybe a $50 fine for maybe $25 fine for parking the wrong direction that

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 way, but that is absolutely, positively not enforced at this time.

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 In fact, there's no enforcement whatsoever, at least in the downtown area.

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 As far as paid parking, I've been here all my life, and I've seen lots of changes on

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 We have gone from paid parking to free parking, back to paid parking, and back to free parking.

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 It's always the trade off of we're going to try to get control of our parking by making

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 it paid parking, and then we're going to try to encourage mercantile by removing the parking

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 meters and have free parking.

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 We have done everything on the square in my lifetime, and I've been in a long, long time.

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 I like your idea about having an employee parking area.

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 I don't know what number that would be, but it seems to me that the greatest number of

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 parking spaces are taken up by employees in that 2,700.

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 I would think the greatest number is taken up by employees who come and stay.

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 They don't come shop and leave.

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 They come for their shift or today's business day and stay as long as it takes.

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 Anyway, I appreciate that.

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 I'd like to see improved signage.

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 I don't know if my other council members got the note that I got from the guy from

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 Prunary Houston scalding letter in the paid parking in Jack Bell's parking area that

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 got his car towed.

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 The first thing everybody always thinks about that is the instant that they see their car

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 is gone, the first thing they think is, "My car has been stolen."

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 They go from, "Whoopee, this was great fun.

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 We had a great time."

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 "Oh, my car has been stolen."

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 They're in panic and they could go from panic to anger because now they realize that their

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 car has been towed and we have to deal with that.

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 Where in the world is the tow facility and stuff like this?

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 A big challenge.

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 Thank you for being here.

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 Sure.

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 Yeah, we did one public ... I think we attended the farmer's market and got a lot of public

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 feedback and we got plenty of feedback about that specific issue.

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 Thanks.

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 Thank you.

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 For me, I put down here ... You said something about us having to make a decision how often

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 we want that turnover to be, to look forward to the turnover and you had mentioned something

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 about maybe every 30 minutes or so and now just hearing that a number of the spaces are

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 taken up by employees which defeats the purpose of welcoming people into downtown to enjoy

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 downtown as close as possible.

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 We'll have to certainly need some additional guidance as to just even talking about the

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 turnover because I also want to recognize that I think our square is designed more for

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 entertainment purposes.

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 I know that we're supposed to have a fine arts movie theater coming through.

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 We have these restaurants where people go in and sit down for an hour or so if there's

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 not a quick turnover for restaurants.

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 We have coffee bars in there that we're encouraging people to sit around and do their homework

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 and lounge around in there.

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 It's a relaxed, stay-around place so I'm not real sure of ... I could say I'm not real

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 sure because that's true about how our turnover is going to look like.

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 Should we be expecting cars to just be around because of what we have down there?

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 That is what I am highly interested in and of course the signage, the continuity of the

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 types of signage.

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 We're going to have to be looking at the color of what we want our bike lanes to be.

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 We certainly want to look for color in lit up stuff for our downtown area for it to be

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 its own color to let people know that now you're in downtown.

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 Is that going to be purple, yellow, green, whatever?

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 I want to have a concise knowledge that I'm in downtown and with me the transportation

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 part too, those away lots and also us having some type of on-demand type transportation.

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 Maybe we can do DCTA because they do the GoZone cars to become part of a downtown structure,

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 tooling people around downtown from those extended lots.

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 What do you call those lots that are ...

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 Park and ride.

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 Remote.

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 Remote lots.

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 Those remote type lots.

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 That's what I have.

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 Thank you.

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 What I want to start with, I really love having the base data.

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 That's really good.

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 We had a lot of that last time and I really appreciate that.

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 I think just from a 100,000 foot view, one of the things that maybe Susie and Christine

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 have a lot of mobility experience, but the rest of us, it's not our area of expertise.

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 I would appreciate whether it's from our own internal staff or from consults, more dense

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 specific recommendations and it goes to I think a lot of the questions that you've heard.

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 We've heard a lot of questions about turnover frequency, so I'd be interested in recommendations

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 for what those rates are, yeah, we can have them 15, 30, an hour, two hours, but what

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 those recommendations should be and more specifically where they should be.

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 For example, we want one hour on the square and three hours off the square and no time

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 limit at remote.

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 That kind of thing and I'd be really interested in that because then maybe we can start to

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 strategize about where employees go.

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 Maybe that's a self-enforcing thing.

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 If employees want to park in the two hour or 15 minute spot, they can.

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 They're going to eat up their paycheck real quick.

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 Then you can turn into maybe there's a TERS incentive or something that says, "Okay, I'm

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 going to give employees a hang tag for free, but only a hang tag for the secondary and

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 tertiary lots."

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 If you want to park out front and take up a customer spot, you can.

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 I'd love some guidance on best practices there because we can't do that modeling and numbering

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 that the transportation can and y'all can, but we can't do that modeling.

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 That gets us to my second question, which is enforcement.

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 I'd love to see some information on best practices of enforcement.

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 It seems like the old standard is to get meter staff or law enforcement to do it, but I'm

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 not sure that's the best use of law enforcement's time on that particular issue.

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 I would love knowledge about whether it is or not.

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 Maybe Chief Robledo really thinks that is good use of her officer's time.

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 I'm really interested in these automatic methods because nothing guides behavior.

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 Signs don't guide behavior, but something that forces you to do a thing, whether we're

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 talking about road construction tip-outs to slow you down, because you slow yourself down.

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 In the case of parking, everyone complains about it, but ParkMobile and similar digital

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 strategies automatically charge you.

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 I don't have to put a quarter in, it's just boom.

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 If you don't want to keep getting billed, you will move your car.

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 Our friend, some of our frequent flyers on the square, I'll pull back and not name names,

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 but we know who they are that park the whole weekend.

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 We know this person that park the whole weekend very visibly.

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 I guess that person can park the whole weekend very visibly, and ParkMobile will happily

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 eat hundreds of dollars into that person's credit cards.

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 I would love a specific recommendation.

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 If we're going to have, if the highest parking is evenings and weekend, if this burst parking

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 from our sort of basal levels up to our burst demand only ever peaks at 68% to 70%, but

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 the perception is when I go to use that burst demand that I'm bursting out to 90 something

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 percent, I can't remember what the data table said, 96, I think it was?

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 On the square.

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 On the square, and that's on the square or just off where the eateries and bars are.

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 Right.

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 If you have that burst parking, you want to have TNCs, then where do you place them?

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 Because now we're competing stakeholders between the two hour or 15 minute parking, whichever

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 we decide, and how do we enforce not the TNCs, but that parking?

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 And so then I think, you know, I would love to see some recommendations based on the distribution

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 of our downtown businesses, what the recommendation is for, like we have our Austin street eating

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 section, you know, East side and that area, but where should we put the TNC drop off?

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 You know, is it on the secondary streets?

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 Is it on the square?

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 Where do we put it?

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 Is there something that they're going to give us some guidance on?

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 And so that's the end of my questions anyway.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you so much.

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 I'm glad you allowed me to interject.

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 So we are managing and monitoring our time.

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 We want to be good stewards of our time, so you just take your time.

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 I'm just going to give a couple of comments from my experience working on the square,

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 just for getting, I guess, my thoughts out there.

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 So I think Vicki, you made an excellent point about there are like different types of reasons

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 that people come to the square.

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 And I think that we should be conscious of the ways that our parking strategies may prevent

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 some of those usages, right?

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 So if you're somebody who might want to make like a quick trip to a downtown business,

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 but we're using a parking strategy where all of the parking spots like immediately in front

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 of that business are going to be filled because we just let anybody park there for however

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 long they want, you're probably not going to make that quick trip to a downtown business

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 because you can't make a quick trip to a downtown business.

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 And so I think that when we think about parking, you know, if I'm coming to the square and

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 I know that I'm going to get lunch and then I'm going to go out shopping and then I'm

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 going to maybe go out for a coffee with a friend, I might be willing to walk significantly

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 more blocks than if I want to do a quick in and out trip to pick up my weekly comics for

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 more fun and games.

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 I want that to be like a five, 10 minute trip.

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 Whereas if I'm going to be there for a few hours, I might walk longer anyways.

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 With regard to transportation network companies, one thing I would also add in there is drop

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 off and pick up.

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 So things like Uber Eats, sometimes our roads will get blocked by Uber Eats or DoorDash

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 or what have you pick up because they're like, well, there's no parking here and I have to

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 pick up this order and I'm just going to make my own spot.

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 Or again, when I worked at a business on the downtown square, it would be fairly regular

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 that the way that we received product drop off on, if we had something that we like needed

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 more of immediately, an employee of the business, I'm not going to name names, an employee of

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 the business would just park a van in front of the shop on the square, on the street,

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 not in a parking spot, on the roadway.

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 And then open up the back door of the van, rush us in the product as fast as we could

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 take it in, blocking traffic and people would have to swerve around or pedestrians might

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 be in a little bit more danger than they usually would because they'd be walking out in front

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 of that blind spot where drivers might be flying by.

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 And so I think I would want to see more loading and unloading space if possible.

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 Thank you.

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 All right.

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00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480
 Well, thank you all for your input.

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 I believe that we'll just end this segment here.

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 I think that we've given you quite a bit of information to kind of go back and work on

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 for us and we'll just continue on with the conversation.

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 Okay.

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 Anything else you need for us?

401
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 Are you going to be around after the meeting?

402
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 I have a -- yes, I have a phone call at noon.

403
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000
 I don't believe you.

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 I have a call at noon, but I'm here until then.

405
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,720
 Okay.

406
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 Thank you.

407
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,720
 Okay.

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 Well, then we are going to move on to CMC 24-031, Receiver Report and Holder Discussion

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 Regarding Five-Year Capital Improvement Program, Budgets and Fiscal Year 2024, Year-to-Date

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 Projects.

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 Thank you.

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 Good morning, Chair and committee members.

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 Farhan Butt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services Division.

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 This presentation will give a brief overview of transportation services-related projects

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 out to CIP or in one way, you know, implementation, design, and planning stages.

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 To begin with, we have traffic signal -- traffic operational improvements.

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 First item in there is traffic signal cabinet improvements where we replace aging and outdated

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 cabinets and electronics.

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 We just -- starting with fiscal year 2022-23, the allocation was $208,000, and this stays

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 steady all the way from 2023-24 as well as in 2024-25.

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 And these columns list the items that we implemented in previous years and ongoing as well in 2024-25.

422
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 I have a question.

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 What do these cabinets look like?

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 Are they just kind of blended into the forestry of it all?

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 Are they green, yellow?

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 They are being painted now in some cases, and then these are on the side of the streets

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 on the corner that you would see in sometimes typically in silver-colored cabinet or colored

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 cabinet in some cases, but some of them are being painted.

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 And these are the ones that are wrapped?

430
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 Is that the ones?

431
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,080
 Okay.

432
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,080
 That was the question.

433
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 Okay.

434
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 Thank you.

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 And then we have signal for traffic improvements.

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 Next item is signal designs and rebuilds and replacements.

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 This is where we replace the aging and traffic infrastructure.

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 This includes in many cases signal improvements or installation of new signals at the intersections.

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 Fiscal year, '22, '23, we had $1.6 million.

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 And then in '23, '24, we had $3.9 million.

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 And then for '24, '25, this for $2.84 million.

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 And these columns again list the projects that are implemented.

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 And if you have any questions, I can...

444
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 I just have a question in regards to 288 in Dutchess.

445
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 You're speaking, but I don't see anything there.

446
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,560
 Yeah.

447
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,560
 So it is being...

448
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 It's being designed right now?

449
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,320
 Yes.

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 Because of the new apartment complexes?

451
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 It is being implemented soon.

452
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 I think it's in the program and traffic operations staff, he has already...

453
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 I mean, they're already working on it.

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 So it will be soon.

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 Soon you will start seeing this.

456
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,240
 Okay.

457
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240
 And then I also just want to recognize that I'm kind of veering off from what we did the

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 last time, and I'm gonna hold my questions to the end.

459
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,840
 Okay.

460
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,840
 Okay.

461
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,840
 I'm sorry.

462
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,800
 So maybe the question's in the end, right?

463
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 Yeah, we'll do the question.

464
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 Okay.

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 And then we have emergency disaster and traffic improvements, and that's where for '22, '23,

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 we had $720,000.

467
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:31,240
 And then for '23, '24, and '25, DFT is funding their portion of the remaining project.

468
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:38,160
 Some other improvements include updates, end-of-life vehicle, bicycle detection equipment, and that's

469
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:47,160
 for fiscal year '22, '23, we had $240,000, and '23, '24, we had allocation of $240,000.

470
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:57,000
 And then for '24 and '25, it was removed from CIP program and, you know, operations and

471
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
 maintenance.

472
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,120
 It looks like, you know, that will go through there.

473
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,120
 This is...

474
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:11,600
 HSIP is another major initiative that Transportation Services is looking at, and we are proactively

475
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,640
 applying for HSIP projects.

476
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,080
 These are basically Highway Safety Improvement Program-based funding where Federal Highway

477
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,480
 Program is funneled through state to local jurisdictions and any other safety improvements

478
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,560
 related needs.

479
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:38,600
 For 2022, funds awarded by Tech Start were $2.4 or roughly $2.5 million, and then the

480
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:46,000
 other two columns show the design cost and percent of total award that we had to use

481
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,480
 for the design cost.

482
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:56,080
 So for instance, $2.4 million, we had a design cost that the city paid in amount of $298,000,

483
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,960
 and this equates to 12% of the total funding that we got.

484
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:11,000
 In 2023, we received $2.85 million, and again, roughly 14%, which is $400,000, was paid by

485
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,800
 city for that towards the design cost.

486
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:24,240
 And in 2024, again, we got $3.5 million, and for design costs, we paid $271,000.

487
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:29,960
 Sometimes off-system, even off-system projects, if the project is really good and Tech Start

488
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,280
 identifies it as a real good safety need, they would pay for the full, fully funded,

489
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,440
 they will just award it fully.

490
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,980
 And that's happened in 2024, some of the projects got fully awarded when they were off-system.

491
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:51,680
 And for that, we are applying for, so this is total of $8.8 million in three years that

492
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,480
 we got awarded by Tech Start for safety-related improvements at intersections, and this year

493
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,440
 Transportation Services is preparing for at least $10 million worth of awards for safety

494
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
 projects in various parts of the city.

495
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:14,080
 So we have already identified and we are working towards applying for those.

496
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:21,720
 And this list, by year, these projects and their details that we got for HSIP.

497
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:31,880
 There's a trip initiative where DCTA provides or awards funding from the revenue source

498
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:40,880
 to city, you know, 15% of budget is typically there, and 95% of the budget allocated to

499
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:47,640
 the member cities is proportional to the sales and used tax receipts that is received by

500
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,640
 DCTA.

501
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:58,400
 Well, in this case, we applied for about five projects that are listed here, and the total

502
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:07,320
 amount we requested was $4.96 million, and these projects were very carefully selected

503
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:17,840
 after doing a lot of analysis by staff, and all of these five projects are directly linked

504
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:24,000
 to certain projects in the city, and then fifth one is going to look at sidewalk and

505
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,440
 other connectivity improvements for multimodal context.

506
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,800
 All of these five projects have been approved by DCTA board recently, and so we have already

507
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,680
 started looking into these projects and started working on the analysis.

508
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:49,560
 When it comes to ADA transition plan, we are working on strategizing the entire framework

509
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,760
 for the ADA.

510
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,000
 A major effort has been put into this process.

511
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,840
 We have established, we have recently completed sub-recipients compliance surveys, compliance

512
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:08,480
 surveys that were provided by USDOT through TxDOT to the local jurisdictions, and we provided

513
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,120
 the feedback and current status of the city's ADA process.

514
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,720
 There were a lot of questions asked by USDOT and TxDOT.

515
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:25,960
 We provided those answers, and the first survey, we got compliance, full compliance for 18

516
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,760
 months, compliance status on ADA, the city got that, and then second survey responses,

517
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,420
 for second survey responses, we recently got another 18 months grace period where we have

518
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:46,400
 green status, so total of 36 months of green compliance status from TxDOT based on the

519
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:54,920
 responses provided by transportation services staff and other departments.

520
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:04,440
 TxDOT has identified a few issues where they want us to address those, and city has established,

521
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:11,160
 transportation services has established a committee where we are working with that group

522
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:18,600
 representing each department, and we are closely working with these members to address those

523
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,280
 issues.

524
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,640
 We are also working on bike lanes.

525
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:30,520
 Right now we have fully drafted the criteria, and we are testing it offline right now.

526
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:36,640
 That criteria has been updated for fatal crashes and serious incapacitating injuries.

527
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:42,200
 It has been calibrated for urban core and speed relationships and many other elements,

528
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
 many other factors.

529
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:50,480
 We are testing the criteria offline right now, and once it is stable, then we are planning

530
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,720
 to prioritize the projects into tiers, tier one, tier two, tier three, tier one projects

531
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,680
 will be provided to CIP for implementation, and this criteria once stable, we will share

532
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:09,000
 with all the stakeholders, including the mobility committee as well.

533
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,200
 That's all, and if any questions I can.

534
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,240
 Okay, all right, let's start with Ms. Suzie.

535
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,680
 Thanks Farhan.

536
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,280
 I think slide three was where I had my first question, actually it's not even a question.

537
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,000
 So I think I see in the third column, Hickory at Welch.

538
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
 So that is a replacement of the current lights, right?

539
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,520
 Yes, that's what my understanding is, yes.

540
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
 I just wanted to say I'm very excited about that, because right now there's no ped button,

541
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,240
 so people, including myself, just go whenever, because you have no way to trigger green.

542
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,960
 So I'm very excited about that.

543
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:55,800
 And then slide four, I think, I just wanted to say kudos on that bottom row of moving

544
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:01,720
 things from CIP to operations and maintenance, so I'm excited about that.

545
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,360
 And then I don't know what slide this was, but you said something about, wait, no, that's

546
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,360
 just my notes, sorry.

547
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,440
 Okay, slide six maybe, some of my notes are based on old, oh yes.

548
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:21,680
 So the left top table, bottom row, it says canceled by Bonnie Bray, do we know what that

549
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,520
 means or what that's referencing?

550
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:32,040
 I think that was some implementation that was going on by TextDOT where they thought

551
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,240
 that this will be, probably it will be put on hold or canceled, so that's why this project

552
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,240
 got canceled.

553
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,120
 Okay, thank you.

554
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,160
 And then for TRIP funds, so that was slide eight, do we have some sort of target timeline

555
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,800
 when we hope to implement our TRIP projects, because I know each year we apply for some

556
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,800
 amount of funding.

557
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,200
 Do we have like a target date we hope to complete these types of projects by in general?

558
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,240
 Like I know it varies, but.

559
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,520
 There are three stages for these projects, planning, design, and implementation.

560
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,800
 Transportation services will be coordinating all these three stages, including with DCTA

561
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,800
 coordination as well.

562
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,880
 And then, of course, for the implementation, we'll be relying on CIP.

563
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:21,360
 So I'm assuming that once the project scope is done, we'll have a clearer picture on each

564
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,720
 of these projects, for instance, how long the planning stage will take, which will be

565
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,720
 fairly quick.

566
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,160
 Relatively, I think the quickest part would be planning stage, some time on designing,

567
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,960
 and then implementation, I would let Trevor speak to that.

568
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,440
 I'm assuming that it will take, I mean they'll have to schedule it in and all that process

569
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,440
 would go into that.

570
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,080
 And I know right-of-way acquisition is a pretty big factor in how long that takes.

571
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,000
 And it all depends if we need right-of-way acquisition or not, you know, we will consider

572
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,000
 that as well.

573
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000
 And that's why CIP would be playing key role in defining the scope.

574
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,440
 We've already set up a meeting, and we'll be meeting with CIP as well, and making sure

575
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,360
 that we deliver these projects, and if there's a right-of-way acquisition issue, then we

576
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:10,240
 fairly look at that and say, is it constructible, is it working?

577
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,120
 Right, does it fit?

578
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:18,320
 And then slide nine, I saw 1.5 million ADA funding each year, where is that coming from?

579
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,480
 Is that from the city, some external funding?

580
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,480
 This is from city.

581
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,840
 City, okay, like from our general fund?

582
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:31,360
 I have to talk to finance on that, I'll circle back on that, but I know that it is allocated

583
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,360
 by finance.

584
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,240
 I don't know which one.

585
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,980
 But we will also be applying for, once we have a clear picture, we'll be applying for

586
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:39,480
 a lot of grants as well.

587
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,480
 We are planning on that.

588
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,480
 All right.

589
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,480
 I think that's all I had.

590
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,480
 Thank you.

591
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:54,040
 Very quickly, tell me about the bicycle detection equipment at intersections.

592
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,120
 So the equipment that was installed, maybe James can address to that.

593
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,660
 I know that there are counters, but I would let James.

594
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:07,920
 So this is the equipment that is at the location.

595
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,820
 It is combination vehicle detection and we can add bicycle detection.

596
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:18,560
 So where we have a bicycle lane at an intersection, we have detection for bicycles.

597
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080
 So it's all together.

598
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:27,480
 I'm reminded of that joke about a thermos bottle, how do it know?

599
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:34,000
 It is a zone that we set up and we tell it that this is a bicycle zone that has a classification.

600
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,560
 So it's got a length of zero to 11 feet.

601
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,880
 So whenever it detects an object from zero to 11 feet, it knows that it's a bicycle.

602
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,000
 A ferris object?

603
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000
 Okay.

604
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
 Interesting.

605
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
 Interesting.

606
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,040
 I've waited at a lot of cycles.

607
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,040
 Cycles of lights, that is.

608
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,040
 Sure.

609
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,040
 Yeah.

610
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
 Thank you.

611
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,040
 Thank you.

612
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,400
 Oh, I'm James Andrews, Traffic Operations.

613
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,800
 Oh, thank you.

614
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:12,920
 And I really, really like the wrap around the equipment boxes, but I've noticed that

615
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,640
 those are almost exclusive in the downtown area.

616
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,560
 Are those available for other locations?

617
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,920
 I am, well, I'll have to circle back on that.

618
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,760
 I think for now, I understand it is for downtown, but I'm not sure.

619
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,280
 I'll have to check if this has been expanded to city at large.

620
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,280
 Thank you.

621
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280
 I will circle back on that.

622
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,280
 Thank you.

623
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:42,920
 Well, I want to initially say that a lot of the things that I've been seeing is representative

624
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:49,960
 of the area that I am here to represent, District 1.

625
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:57,680
 And I am just proud that the City of Denton is taking seriously our opportunities to make

626
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:03,200
 sure our core of our city is strengthened as much as possible because it's easy to kind

627
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,640
 of overlook the center.

628
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,440
 So I'm glad that we have made that considerable, you know, part of who we are is making sure

629
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,080
 our center services are ready for us to use.

630
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,120
 So thank you, City of Denton, for doing that for us.

631
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:28,600
 Also the other thing is, you said, oh, and the other thing I'm so excited for is Moore

632
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
 Street and Woodrow.

633
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,080
 I did tell my Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association people that they're in the pipeline

634
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,720
 and they did ask about it this past Monday, so it's weighing very heavily on those folks

635
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,080
 over in that area.

636
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:49,640
 Thank you very much for me being able to, you know, see what I said, and I believe.

637
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,120
 The other thing is Tripp's Project, can you go back to that?

638
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,120
 Yes.

639
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
 That one right there.

640
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,240
 Yeah, that that Riney Road side path and safety improvements, I see that the city funding

641
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,760
 is going to be pretty heavy on that, working with Denton ISD.

642
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,800
 Is there some kind of funding coming from Denton ISD?

643
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,720
 I know they have a little elementary school coming up over there.

644
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,920
 I think CIP is coordinating on that, but I'll let Trevor adjust this.

645
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:19,920
 Sure.

646
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,800
 So Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects.

647
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:29,040
 So we do have a couple of projects over there, Bonnie Bray Phase 6, which the ISD did provide

648
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,580
 some funding for that.

649
00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:34,880
 That will help pay for the side path that goes in front of the school.

650
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,460
 The Riney Road section that we're talking about here, Riney Road East, is going to continue

651
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:44,680
 that side path that's in front of the school and then connect it all the way over to 77.

652
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,680
 Sure.

653
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,040
 So it's a couple of different projects and that part that Riney Road East was also included

654
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,160
 in our CIP as well.

655
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,160
 Okay.

656
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,960
 So that for layman's terms, what you're talking about with the ISD is that that's in that

657
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,960
 number there, that 5.75?

658
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,960
 No, that's not separate.

659
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,960
 No, it's separate.

660
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:01,960
 Yes, ma'am.

661
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,960
 That's what I wanted to know.

662
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,960
 Thank you very much.

663
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,960
 I appreciate that.

664
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:11,720
 Yeah, the TRIPS project, Moore Street, Woodrow Lane, signal transit improvements.

665
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,560
 Thank you so much for that.

666
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,240
 And my last thing that I'm going to have to confess, and I really, really hate to say

667
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:26,480
 this, but is being weighing heavily on my mind as a district one representative, and

668
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,720
 I truly mean this, I do not like bollards.

669
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,660
 I just don't appreciate the bollards.

670
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:38,600
 I've been trying to get used to them.

671
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,520
 I do drive by them because they're where I am, but I'm not appreciating them.

672
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,840
 So I don't know where that conversation is going to go and how it's going to turn out

673
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:55,240
 in the end, but I'm sure that there's some other people out there that feel the same

674
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:56,660
 way that I do.

675
00:48:56,660 --> 00:49:00,940
 So I'm going to end it there and I'm going to pass it on.

676
00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:01,940
 Thank you.

677
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:02,940
 Thank you.

678
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:03,940
 I'll pick up...

679
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:04,940
 Yeah, no, there's...

680
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:09,880
 Susie and I were at a bike conference recently and we saw some options on alternatives to

681
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:17,120
 bollards that I encourage transportation staff to look at.

682
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,560
 So that's all I'll say on that.

683
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,820
 I always rank public safety over aesthetics, but we get a million calls on aesthetics.

684
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:30,120
 So that said.

685
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:40,280
 I had a similar question to Councilor Holland on the bicycle detection, the magnetometers.

686
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:46,920
 I guess they're embedded wires in the asphalt or whatever or cameras.

687
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,920
 I'm not sure exactly.

688
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,320
 It implied those magnetometers.

689
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,440
 Like Councilor Holland, I get a lot of complaints when I personally bike.

690
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:01,500
 It doesn't seem terribly sensitive to bikes, especially on lanes that are denoted to be

691
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:05,360
 shared and there's only limited crossings at some places.

692
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:15,160
 So I would love to know what our regimen is for sensitivity tuning.

693
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,000
 So it doesn't have to be today, but if you want to comment today, but I would love to

694
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,480
 learn more about how we're sensitivity tuning that because I myself have sat through several

695
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,760
 cycles and just prayed for a car to come up behind me to hit the magnetometer and then

696
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:29,760
 I could go.

697
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,680
 I think we can circle back on that and we can in the interest of time, we'll just provide

698
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,000
 a blurb on that in the next meeting.

699
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,480
 Yeah, no, that's perfect.

700
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,080
 And then that allows me to segue.

701
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:47,360
 I really want to praise you all for taking the funding off of bonds and other one-off

702
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,600
 funding mechanisms, internal funding mechanisms and putting them onto external funding mechanisms

703
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,540
 or if it's going to be internal M&O.

704
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:57,840
 So that's a much more sustainable approach.

705
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,760
 I really appreciate that.

706
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,780
 And it takes me to the idea of the trip funds, which is my other point, which is at some

707
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:14,600
 point I don't have any problems with these projects, but at some point for the same reason

708
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:22,960
 that you moved some of your funding and projects onto M&O and rather than put it on intermittent

709
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,440
 bond programs, I think we need to have a conversation.

710
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,920
 I don't know if it starts in mobility or it starts in council about how do we use trip

711
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,840
 funds, especially because you seem to be very successful since you came on board getting

712
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,840
 external grants.

713
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,720
 I notice in the next section, we're going to talk about CPRG funding.

714
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,160
 So way to go on that one.

715
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:51,920
 But if we're being more successful under your directorship on getting alternative kinds

716
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,880
 of funding, I do think we need to have a conversation about should trip funding be used for transit

717
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,360
 or should it be used for street engineering.

718
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,160
 And we're kind of piggy banking it as street engineering.

719
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,320
 And I think that's just a conversation that we need a policy conversation we need to have.

720
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,400
 And I think that's all my comments on this one.

721
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,400
 I'll link to Trevor.

722
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,840
 I think I have one for Trevor.

723
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,840
 Okay.

724
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,840
 All right.

725
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,440
 Real quick, can you give an example of like what an HISP project would be?

726
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,480
 I noticed that it had kind of an intersection listed.

727
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:31,280
 So would that be like sidewalks or crosswalks or is that like intersection specific improvements?

728
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:40,200
 So it could be segment as well, but typically all the action is happening on intersections

729
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:47,360
 and so what we do when we look at the selection process, we look at pedestrian fatalities,

730
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,440
 bike, bed related fatalities and crashes, serious incapacitating injuries.

731
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:59,120
 That is a major significant factor in selection process of the projects.

732
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:08,760
 Then we also look at the improvements, possibilities if the existing infrastructure there is outdated.

733
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,040
 So if you want to improve that with pedestrian buttons or other technology there.

734
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,640
 So all of those factors go in there and then of course the area type, if it is close to

735
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,040
 school or college, that plays a major role.

736
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:31,560
 So all of those factors and a lot more going to play and then before we finalize a selected

737
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,040
 project.

738
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,240
 And then of course it is vetted by text art as well.

739
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,600
 I mean if they are not satisfied, they will not accept it.

740
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,440
 So we have to do a lot of work to ensure that this becomes selected.

741
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,920
 Gotcha.

742
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:54,760
 I want to echo Brian on the public transportation versus roadway infrastructure question for

743
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,760
 TRIP.

744
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,760
 I would like to see that discussed.

745
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,360
 I have previously pitched that we should spend it on purchasing bus routes.

746
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,720
 I would love to see that come up in a later conversation and then finally I saw 1.5 million

747
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,400
 annual dollars in ADA funding.

748
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:15,400
 Is that spent entirely on roadway infrastructure or does that cover those trainings?

749
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,720
 Does it cover other things like accessibility around public buildings?

750
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:21,720
 What is that ADA?

751
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,640
 Advertising is included in there.

752
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,320
 Thank you.

753
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:37,080
 Thank you very much.

754
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,080
 It's the same.

755
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,720
 Is it still on 03?

756
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,120
 Yes, ma'am.

757
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,200
 So Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects, I'm going to walk you through our Capital

758
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,480
 Improvement Projects update.

759
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,360
 So these are just project financials on projects that have been included in our CIP plan.

760
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,800
 So Bonnebrae Phase 4B, the project estimate of completion right now is about $12.5 million.

761
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,900
 We have current funding at $8.5 and then we are receiving another $4 million in the approved

762
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:12,480
 budget for 2024-25, which should fully fund that project.

763
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,040
 Bonnebrae Phase 5, project estimate of completion is at $12 million.

764
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,320
 Currently have $2 million and as you can see there, we have a plan in this budget as well

765
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,800
 as next year's budget to add funding that will bring us to a point where we can complete

766
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,800
 that project.

767
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,840
 Ronnie Road East, that's the one we just talked about a little bit.

768
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,720
 We currently estimate that project to be $6 million and we have the $6 million that we

769
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:43,920
 need to build that so as soon as we get the design done, it will move into construction.

770
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:50,800
 McKinney Sidewalks, same deal as Ronnie Road East, $5.5 and that current funding was included

771
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,880
 as in last year's CIP, so it's currently in design.

772
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,240
 Hickory Creek 3, we estimate that project to be about $63 million once we're complete.

773
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:06,120
 We currently have all the funding we need and we did approve another $8 million in this

774
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:12,520
 year's budget and that is an estimate that we believe is going to, that we will need

775
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,840
 to get our contractor back to work to accommodate for that delay that we've had almost a year

776
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,720
 now waiting on the railroad.

777
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:26,840
 And then 2019 Street Reconstruction Bond Completion, we estimate that to be about $130 million

778
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,440
 to complete the entire project.

779
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,520
 Currently we're at $106 million.

780
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:37,680
 We did have $10 million approved in this year's budget and we will be including another $10

781
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,520
 million in our fiscal year 25-26 that will get us to where we need to be.

782
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:49,000
 That $130 million, we're actually starting to see prices come down in our estimates and

783
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,520
 so we believe that the funding that we currently have as well as what we've included in this

784
00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:01,440
 slide will get us to where we need to be to completely finish that 2019.

785
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,560
 So this is going to kind of dig into the sidewalk portions of these projects.

786
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,440
 So Bonnebrae Phase 4B, currently at 90%, so this is one of the projects that we're going

787
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,320
 to bring up to 100% and then we're going to hold and wait until we finish Bonnebrae Phase

788
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,680
 3 and 6 before we put it on the construction.

789
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,640
 This does include roadway, utilities, street lighting, and a 10-foot shared use path on

790
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,160
 one side with a 5-foot sidewalk on the other.

791
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:35,280
 Bonnebrae Phase 5, currently at 30%, again this is a project we'll bring up to 100% design

792
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,720
 and then we'll hold waiting on Bonnebrae 3 and 6 to complete so I don't have the whole

793
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,240
 corridor on the construction at one time.

794
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,360
 This does include roadway, utilities, street lighting, that 10-foot shared use path, as

795
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,160
 well as 5-foot sidewalks on the other side.

796
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:59,840
 So Hickory Creek Phase 3, this includes a bridge structure, drainers, and sidewalks.

797
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,220
 It's currently on hold pending the railroad agreement.

798
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:05,000
 We're anticipating that to happen any day now.

799
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,200
 We actually have a meeting with the railroad this afternoon to walk through where they're

800
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,280
 at with that.

801
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,240
 We've also started conversations with our contractor about getting them back to work

802
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,840
 and what that change order is going to look like so we're anticipating them ready to rock

803
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,440
 and roll as soon as we get that railroad agreement.

804
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,560
 And then we actually have an update on this from the slide, the estimate to complete,

805
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,200
 the contractor's estimating 16 months, not a year, so once we get them back to work,

806
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:41,720
 we're estimating about 16 months to complete.

807
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,880
 This is the Rounding Road East project that we spoke about a little bit earlier.

808
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:53,720
 So roadway widening as well as sidewalks, it does also include a path, a park path.

809
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,120
 We are working through right-of-way acquisition.

810
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,900
 I actually spoke with the PM about this yesterday.

811
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:02,520
 Those are going great so we don't anticipate any issues with acquiring the right-of-way

812
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,880
 we need.

813
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:10,680
 We get 90% design and I estimate this going to construction in Q1 and then the goal would

814
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:20,800
 be to have that roadway widened prior to the new school opening next August.

815
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,140
 All right, moving on to the McKinney sidewalks.

816
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:29,000
 So this is, the scope of this is a 10-foot shared use path along with illumination along

817
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,480
 that path.

818
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,440
 We anticipate the design being completed in Q2 of 2025, working through the right-of-way

819
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,760
 acquisition right now and then moving to construction in quarter four of 2025.

820
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,280
 So that one's moving along as well.

821
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,880
 So this is a lot of information on this slide.

822
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,680
 I think you all have seen it before, but this is our 2019 Street Rehab Program.

823
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,640
 I'm not going to walk through everything, but as you can see there, got a lot of projects

824
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,960
 closed out already.

825
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,600
 Another large amount of construction that's happening currently and then we do have a

826
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,640
 couple of projects there at the bottom that are in design or already designed and once

827
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:14,400
 we receive that funding in the bond, once October rolls around and we're able to access

828
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:20,660
 that funding, we'll start rolling those projects out as well.

829
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:23,780
 So I'm going to walk through this street maintenance slide and then if we have any

830
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:28,960
 questions on this one, I'll lean on my partners in streets.

831
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,200
 But as you can see in this slide, we've got a couple of performance measures that they

832
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,080
 measure on a yearly basis.

833
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,320
 So reconstruction, their annual goal is two lane miles.

834
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:48,960
 In fiscal year 22-23, they did 2.7 lane miles and then their goal for 23-24, or what they

835
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,560
 accomplished in 23-24 was 4.5.

836
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,040
 Land overlay, annual goal, 5 miles.

837
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:02,320
 They did 2.2 in 22-23 and then 5.7 in 23-24.

838
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,640
 Crack seal, annual goal is 45 lane miles.

839
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:14,040
 They did 37.6 in FY 22-23 and then 111 in 23-24.

840
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,600
 Surface treatments, 31.5 lane miles is the annual goal.

841
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:29,680
 In FY 22-23, we did 51.5 and then another 51.5 and then another 55.5 in FY 23-24.

842
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:35,320
 Panel repairs, so for the next four, the panel repairs, sidewalk repair, pothole repair and

843
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
 base failure repair, not really an annual goal.

844
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:44,120
 These are maintenance and rehabilitation activities.

845
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:53,760
 So for concrete panel repair, they did 1.6 lane miles in 22-23, another 1.4 in 23-24.

846
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:01,420
 Sidewalk repair, almost 5,000 square feet in 22-23 and then 38,000 square feet in fiscal

847
01:02:01,420 --> 01:02:03,800
 year 23-24.

848
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:13,680
 Pothole repairs, they did almost 3,500 in fiscal year 22-23 and then almost 623-24 and

849
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:21,120
 then base failure repairs, almost 3,000 tons the first 22-23 year and then a little over

850
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,960
 6,000 tons in fiscal year 23-24.

851
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,200
 And with that, I'll stand for any questions.

852
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,200
 Okay.

853
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,200
 Suzie?

854
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,200
 Oh, you want to start on that?

855
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,800
 Okay, we'll start on this then.

856
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,160
 Are you ready?

857
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,920
 So with regards to the 2019 bond funding, the bond amount passed was 150 more, 154 million.

858
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,200
 The number up there was 130,000.

859
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,040
 How do those two numbers intersect?

860
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:58,420
 Is that we actually over budgeted and we think we're only going to need $130 million to fulfill

861
01:02:58,420 --> 01:03:04,720
 the bond projects or is that now we're looking for 130 million after we've already spent

862
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,840
 other funds on the projects we've already completed?

863
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,840
 Sure.

864
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,360
 That's not, the 130 is not an additional funding that we're looking for.

865
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,920
 I'll need to go back and look at those numbers just to make sure that I answer your question

866
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,320
 correctly and not say it off the fly.

867
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,520
 I will say the bond funding was only used for the street rehabilitation portion of that.

868
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:32,280
 So we did add a lot of funding from wastewater utilities to be able to build those projects

869
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,280
 holistically.

870
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,600
 So let me check those numbers and I'll get them back to you.

871
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,440
 That's twice in one week I've used it.

872
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:47,680
 Is the reconstruction of 2.7 miles, for example, 2.7 lane miles.

873
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,720
 That's exclusive of bond projects, right?

874
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,960
 So bond projects are not included in that 2.7.

875
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:52,960
 Correct.

876
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,560
 These numbers are strictly operations and maintenance.

877
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,720
 So that's separate.

878
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,340
 This is just what the streets department is doing on a maintenance schedule or with their

879
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:02,200
 own construction projects.

880
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,120
 That's separate from anything that the capital projects department is doing.

881
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:13,760
 And then finally, when the community had brought forward the idea of the McKinney sidewalks

882
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,760
 being necessary, it had originally got pitched as temporary improvements such as cones or

883
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:26,720
 barrels to segment off the side of the road where folks walk on from the drive lanes that

884
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,420
 folks drive on because those often get used as drive lanes.

885
01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:34,840
 People will go around traffic and whatnot on the basis that it was necessary to do it

886
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,320
 quickly and then we could find the funding for sidewalks later because that's very dangerous

887
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,040
 and that should be addressed as soon as possible.

888
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:48,120
 Within the last few weeks, a man was hit and killed in that portion of roadway.

889
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,640
 Mr. Santiago, he was a wheelchair user.

890
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:57,840
 I would just ask for the city again, consider something temporary and quick as we move towards

891
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,320
 that more final sidewalk product.

892
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,320
 Sounds good.

893
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,320
 Thank you.

894
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:08,720
 I'll pick up from McKinney real quick.

895
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,600
 Is the concept plan north side of the street or south side of the street or both?

896
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,800
 I'm not sure on that.

897
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,800
 Sure.

898
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,360
 So I think it's just going to be on one side.

899
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,720
 I think we were originally looking at the south side to do that.

900
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,020
 I believe we may be pivoting to the north side just because it may be less right of

901
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:29,640
 way but it's still kind of in flux right now.

902
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,520
 It's probably less right of way that we have to acquire.

903
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:38,480
 So we haven't 100% determined what that looks like but we're in the design phase

904
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,480
 right now.

905
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,480
 Okay.

906
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:41,480
 I appreciate that.

907
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,480
 Yes, sir.

908
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:51,680
 And then on slide 18 where we talked about the different street things, I sort of have

909
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,200
 two related.

910
01:05:54,200 --> 01:06:02,160
 On the first 454, we have goals.

911
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,600
 Are those goals under the need or they match the need?

912
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:15,680
 And then the surface treatments we're doing, you know, most things under, surface treatments

913
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,960
 is one of the ones that's over.

914
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,120
 What is contributing to, you know?

915
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:29,560
 Is there something that this committee or council can do to help you better achieve

916
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,560
 the goals?

917
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,600
 And so those are the two questions there.

918
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,000
 Are they based on real-world condition?

919
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,680
 Are they less than real-world conditions in terms of the goals?

920
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,960
 And then what do you need to better match the goals?

921
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,960
 Okay.

922
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,660
 Dana Kramer, Deputy Director of Operations.

923
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:50,760
 So our annual goals are based off the roadway funding strategy that came through council,

924
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,680
 I think, either this past year or the year before, prior.

925
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:02,040
 So on our maintenance goals, we'll take the surface treatment, as you're saying.

926
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:07,080
 You know, they average out 31 and a half years, 31 and a half lane miles per year.

927
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:12,120
 If you look at the roadway funding, some years there was 50, some years there was 10, it

928
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,560
 would go, it would fluctuate.

929
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,120
 You can't build a budget very well on that as you do that.

930
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:23,100
 So we took an average across the board of what it would be over the lifespan of the

931
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:27,280
 study of all of our roadways so that we could make sure that we could plan for it best we

932
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,480
 could budgetary and go forward.

933
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:38,040
 Mike, surface treatments are a, I wouldn't say cheap, but an efficient way to spend the

934
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,740
 funds and to be able to extend the life of the roadway.

935
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:49,600
 So when we find roadways that we can, that are in the right bandwidth on the OCI so that

936
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,440
 we can put it on, if we have the funding, we try to go that way.

937
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,480
 So we usually, for the surface treatments for micro seal, it's usually about 600,000

938
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,180
 a year we budget for that.

939
01:08:00,180 --> 01:08:05,600
 So we usually base off our budget number as much as we can, some of the longer roadways,

940
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:13,000
 the rider roadways, you won't get as much mileage because of the complexity of the traffic

941
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,700
 control and everything that has to come out when they run that.

942
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,840
 So we look mostly on the budget number and base those as we go forward to try to get

943
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,000
 as much as we can in each year.

944
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,560
 Based on some of the recent issues that we've had, we kind of do as much as we can on the

945
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,800
 residential and the thoroughfares and the collectors and everything, we try to stay

946
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,860
 out of the smaller ones that don't get as much traffic because we end up getting, we're

947
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:43,320
 looking at different options because we get a lot of complaints on the surface, the treatment

948
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:51,000
 after how it looks, bicycles on the roads, roller skates and everything else after that.

949
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:57,000
 It's not a cosmetic thing, but it's for longevity of the roadway, so we work on that.

950
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,880
 Crack seal also is probably our cheapest and our best tool in our toolbox, anything over

951
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:09,200
 a quarter of an inch we try to hit those up because as we get our freezes, our heat, our

952
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,400
 summer, it contracts and expands, so we want to make sure that we seal the road so we don't

953
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,880
 get the water in there, that's how we work on that.

954
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,920
 As we're setting right now for our budget, we are set pretty well for our maintenance

955
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:22,920
 side.

956
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:29,280
 The roadway funding strategy did go forward with an additional five million a year and

957
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,680
 we are still working with finance to make sure we, I think it was earlier this year

958
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,720
 the, I can't remember the name of the group, but with the cryptocurrency, that was where

959
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,160
 part of the funding was coming from.

960
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:47,520
 That's not a standard revenue fund, so it was supposed to be a little over two million

961
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,880
 this year, we just got a little over one million this year that came in for that, so consistency

962
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,120
 would help on that so that we can go forward with that on the reconstructs.

963
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:06,080
 And a real brief follow-up, how, I noticed in some of the 2019 bond program, I forget

964
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:12,480
 the neighborhood for the Northeast in the Idiots Hill area, but I've noticed some of

965
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,960
 the construction there that is newly finished, already has crack seals and already has paint

966
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,400
 down, or already has cracks, already has paint down, how much of that QAQC do we come in

967
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:28,320
 after the, after the vendor lays down what is supposedly a finished road, or maybe you

968
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,160
 could correct me, maybe that neighborhood isn't finished and y'all are going to still

969
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,640
 do some finishing, but those brand new roads are already cracked and I wonder what it does

970
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,640
 to these roads.

971
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:42,640
 Sure, so that's something we try to check, we try to catch on the front end, so some

972
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,840
 of those roads are not completed, we've caught some issues with our contractors and some

973
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,400
 of the quality of the product they put down, and so some of those roads are not finished,

974
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,240
 they're going to have to come back in and either do repairs or tear it out and do it

975
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,400
 all again, so there are a couple of streets that are like that, and then also we have

976
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:06,400
 a warranty period that we will monitor, so there are, there is some cracking, some types

977
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,820
 of things that are within tolerance, and so typically what we'll do is we'll mark those

978
01:11:10,820 --> 01:11:16,000
 during our walk-throughs, and then when we come back to do our warranty walk at usually

979
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,520
 about a year and a half, so we try to give ourselves a little time before the two year,

980
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,600
 we'll revisit those areas and make sure that they're still within tolerance.

981
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,920
 If they're not, then the contractor's on the hook to come back in and do repairs.

982
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:34,680
 No, I appreciate that, that I'm going to encourage us in the engineering to get that answer to

983
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:40,040
 my question out into the public, because the public sees it as you fixed it, you fixed

984
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,080
 it, you fixed it, you fixed it, you fixed it, it's never-ending fixing.

985
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,080
 Correct.

986
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,800
 And your answer to that question is half of their questions, like why are you constantly

987
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,880
 fixing it, we're making them fix it.

988
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:58,160
 So that's, it's annoying, but it's responsible, so thank you for that.

989
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,160
 Thank you.

990
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,160
 Yes, sir.

991
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,800
 I would also add on the walk-throughs, capital projects works really well with our team,

992
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,320
 and we do have people from each division.

993
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,720
 When we walk the streets, I have street staff that's out there walking with them, showing

994
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,040
 issues that we see in everything else, same thing with utilities, they walk it when they

995
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:15,520
 do those sections too.

996
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,520
 I appreciate that, thank you gentlemen.

997
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,640
 I have a generalized question.

998
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,760
 Oh, what are you doing?

999
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,040
 I just have a generalized question.

1000
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:31,920
 When people see those little flags out there, those little pink flags, yellow flags, that

1001
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:37,640
 kind of thing, I think I know the answer already, but the sake of education.

1002
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:38,640
 What does that mean?

1003
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:44,080
 Does that mean something's getting ready to happen, or is that the design phase?

1004
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,240
 What does that mean to us?

1005
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,040
 Sure, so you'll see a couple of different things.

1006
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,680
 Some people use flags, some people use paint, so you may see blue paint, you may see yellow

1007
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,560
 paint, you may see all different kinds of paint, so each different color typically means

1008
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:02,000
 something else, but any time that anyone wants to do any kind of digging, so whether it's

1009
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,200
 an outside utility, whether it's us, whether it's one of our contractors, they're required

1010
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:11,200
 to call in a utility locate, and so that's what those markings are.

1011
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,120
 It's a company that comes out and marks all those undergrounded utilities, and so what

1012
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:20,040
 they're doing is marking everything so that when somebody comes in and digs, the hope

1013
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,040
 is that they don't dig one of those things up.

1014
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:30,320
 So during a construction project, you may see multiple times where a flag comes and

1015
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:35,720
 puts out, it could be Atmos is going to come in before us and they're going to relocate

1016
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,720
 their lines, and so they have to call in a locate, and so you'll see flags come out or

1017
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,300
 paint go down, then they'll come out and do their work, and then whenever our contractor

1018
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:48,220
 comes on, they have to call in the same locate, so you might see those people come out again

1019
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:52,160
 and mark everything again, so you may see them come out every, it doesn't necessarily

1020
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,920
 mean that they're going to be digging in your yard, they have to mark within a certain radius

1021
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:01,360
 of where the work is supposed to happen, and so, but it's a good indicator that if you

1022
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,560
 see some markings fly, or some paint or some flags get put in your yard, that something's

1023
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,560
 about to happen.

1024
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,560
 Okay.

1025
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,560
 Thank you.

1026
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:16,880
 The other thing that I have is how do you all work with the universities, not talking

1027
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,400
 about Oakland Street, I already got it, Oakland Street, but I was over by University of North

1028
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:28,480
 Texas today, and I rode on Welch, which of course there's significant work being done

1029
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:36,600
 on Welch, but then I turned into where the university student life building, student

1030
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,320
 center, and it's just tragic.

1031
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:47,320
 So it came to mind, knowing that I would be coming to the mobility committee to ask, how

1032
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:52,280
 do you all get in there and work that, or is that the university's responsibility, or

1033
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:53,280
 what?

1034
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:59,000
 No ma'am, so the answer is extensively, and so the major project we have going on, we'll

1035
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,760
 take UNT for example, is the neighborhood two and six project.

1036
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:08,120
 So during design, we had multiple meetings with UNT, we communicated with them who was

1037
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:13,880
 the best person to work with, lots of communication with them, we moved construction around to

1038
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,360
 try to coordinate construction during the summer months where there's less people on

1039
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,480
 campus.

1040
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:25,080
 So you'll see some roads out there, I think maybe, I don't remember the name, maybe Chestnut

1041
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,540
 right now, we had the utilities come through during the summer when there wasn't a lot

1042
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:32,820
 of people out there, and then now it's just patched temporarily, and then next summer

1043
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:34,640
 when we come back, we'll do the roadway.

1044
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,200
 So we work with them on a daily basis, my project managers are in constant contact with

1045
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:44,320
 their field guys, and typically on a day-to-day basis, they're calling each other saying,

1046
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,440
 hey, this is an issue, or this is an issue, can we change this, can we move this, and

1047
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:51,840
 so constant communication with our partners.

1048
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:52,840
 Thank you.

1049
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:53,840
 Yes ma'am.

1050
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:04,360
 Ryany Road, slide 15, tell me specifically what that's gonna look like, and are we talking

1051
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,920
 between Bonnie Bray and Elm Street?

1052
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:07,920
 Yes.

1053
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,040
 So it's two separate projects, this specific one, Ryany Road East, is going to be from

1054
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:19,980
 Elm all the way to just to the east of where the school is going to be.

1055
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:26,920
 So if you've driven Ryany Road, at one point, once you get over towards Elm, it widens out

1056
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,940
 considerably right in front of the park.

1057
01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:33,560
 So we're going to extend that, and it's going to be a uniform cross section all the way

1058
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,240
 from 77 to Bonnie Bray.

1059
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,840
 So Bonnie Bray Phase 6 is going to do a portion of Ryany Road, and then Ryany Road East is

1060
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,040
 going to continue that all the way to 77.

1061
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,160
 And is that four lanes, or is it two lanes in a turn lane?

1062
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,160
 Don't make me lie to you.

1063
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,720
 I'm not going to go look at it, but yeah.

1064
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,520
 Will it match what's already there on the Elm Street side?

1065
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,720
 Yes, you're talking about the Elm Street side, yes, correct, yes, sir.

1066
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:09,840
 And are we being penalized one way or another on the delay on Hickory Creek?

1067
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:15,040
 We had guys out there working, now they're not, because of the railroad.

1068
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,640
 Are we being penalized on that?

1069
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:23,200
 Sure, so there will be a cost that we will have to pay the contractor.

1070
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,560
 They've been delayed.

1071
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,680
 So we hold the contract with the contractor.

1072
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,880
 So as far as they're concerned, we're the ones who are delaying them.

1073
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:36,640
 So there's going to be price escalations from when they bid it originally, I guess three

1074
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,480
 years ago, two, three years ago, to now, everything has gone up.

1075
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:45,320
 So those are those conversations that I have with the contractor to try to mitigate those

1076
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:46,320
 costs.

1077
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,280
 But of course, you know, we want to be good partners with our contractors.

1078
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,680
 We understand that there is a higher cost of doing business now than it was two years

1079
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,920
 ago.

1080
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,520
 And so those are conversations I'm working through with them to see what that cost looks

1081
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,120
 like and how much more it's going to cost us.

1082
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,180
 I'm thinking there's no relief available from the railroad.

1083
01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:08,180
 Not likely.

1084
01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:09,180
 Okay.

1085
01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:10,180
 Okay.

1086
01:18:10,180 --> 01:18:11,180
 Thank you.

1087
01:18:11,180 --> 01:18:13,560
 Yes, sir.

1088
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,560
 Thanks first of all for answering.

1089
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,120
 I don't know if anyone else helped answer my million questions I sent in.

1090
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,240
 Y'all can all read it in the back up if you didn't see it.

1091
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,200
 But thank you for answering all of my questions in writing.

1092
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,600
 I have a question.

1093
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,000
 Hopefully this one doesn't put you on the spot.

1094
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:31,840
 What is the average cost to reconstruct one lane mile of asphalt roadway fish?

1095
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:39,200
 I'll take a ballpark, a range, one lane mile of asphalt roadway reconstruction.

1096
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:40,200
 It's about one million dollars.

1097
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,200
 Okay.

1098
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,200
 That's normally what I budget.

1099
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,680
 What was the answer?

1100
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:45,680
 One million.

1101
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,680
 Per lane mile.

1102
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,680
 Asphalt.

1103
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,240
 So I'm not going to ask about concrete.

1104
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:56,640
 So our back up said that roads last anywhere from 28 to 59 years before we need to replace

1105
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:57,640
 them.

1106
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:02,240
 And that depends on whether we maintain them, traffic, weather, that kind of thing.

1107
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:08,520
 So we have 1,530 lane miles of roads according to the written answer.

1108
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:14,000
 So I know things become due at different times based on high growth times.

1109
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
 We built a whole bunch of roads at the same time, things like that.

1110
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:24,560
 But if we averaged it out, so those 1,530 lane miles of roads, we should be reconstructing

1111
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:30,600
 an average of 25 to 55 lane miles per year-ish if we average it out.

1112
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,840
 And I know that's not how the real world works.

1113
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:39,800
 Do you know how many lane miles of roadway we're reconstructing each year-ish ballpark?

1114
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,200
 No.

1115
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,200
 We can look at that.

1116
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,520
 I mean, the majority of them that we send over to capital projects and they run the larger

1117
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,680
 scale projects, we have the ability in-house as a maintenance crew to be able to do that.

1118
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,520
 We are probably one of the few, if one of the only, in most of the U.S. or Texas that

1119
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,640
 actually has the ability to do reconstructions in-house.

1120
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,520
 Most people don't do that.

1121
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,740
 We use that ability on our metrics.

1122
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:09,720
 We just try to set it up to one lane mile a year is kind of where we set that with the

1123
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:15,880
 ability of something turned south to be able to do more.

1124
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:20,520
 For instance, a mill and overlay, we've had many instances, we go through our clearing

1125
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,040
 process as we normally do.

1126
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,680
 We'll run it through utilities and franchise utilities and internal to make sure there's

1127
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:31,240
 no other issues that need to be replaced or that they need to get in there first before

1128
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,600
 we reconstruct the road so we don't tear it up again.

1129
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,840
 We do that whether we do a mill and overlay or a reconstruct.

1130
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:44,360
 If it's in the proper OCI range for a mill and overlay, we still clear it for a reconstruct

1131
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:49,840
 because we have a lot of roads in the city that aren't up to the same standards when

1132
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,840
 they were built.

1133
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,280
 They have very thin asphalt and it's really amazing that they're still holding together.

1134
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,360
 The moment you take the top off, the road turns into a waterbed and you drive trucks

1135
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,920
 over and it does this.

1136
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:04,660
 We are stuck at that point to have to go into a reconstruct to stabilize the subgrade.

1137
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:08,600
 We ran into that in the Oaks and Montecito that we're currently working in right now.

1138
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:14,080
 We were supposed to do probably 90% of those roads in there were supposed to be mill and

1139
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,040
 overlays.

1140
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:21,260
 It's pretty much flipped the whole other direction and most of them have been reconstructs.

1141
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:26,360
 When it gets to that point, we'll do soil samples and figure out what we need to mix

1142
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,160
 and how we need to go the next steps forward.

1143
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,620
 The roadway funding strategy as it went through, and I think the slides were included also,

1144
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:39,280
 it was an extra $5 million a year that they talked about just for street reconstructs

1145
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:46,060
 with bond programs coming up consistently to be able to get our backlog down.

1146
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:49,900
 That is the plan that we're going with and trying to make sure that because the issue

1147
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:56,720
 that we have as Trevor knows, we're going to influx all this funding right now.

1148
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:02,360
 We're going to bring all the failing, the bad streets all the way up to good and then

1149
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:07,480
 you do your maintenance so that as they slowly slide in, you hit them towards the very end

1150
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:11,600
 and bring them up to the next level so that we don't ... Your best bet is to have a bell

1151
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,360
 curve so you have most of your streets in the middle on the maintenance side and as

1152
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,600
 two or three fall off, you rebuild them and they move back up to good.

1153
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:28,040
 History-wise here, in the city that was decades ago, way before probably anybody was here,

1154
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:36,360
 we didn't focus a lot on maintenance so we're sitting at almost an inverse bell so we got

1155
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,320
 a lot that are very good, that are coming up with new development and that Capital Projects

1156
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,000
 is running and we also got a lot better on the other end.

1157
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,600
 We're trying to build up that maintenance program, make sure we stay on top of it so

1158
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:51,360
 we don't have to keep doing this big influx of all these streets all the time when we

1159
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,080
 come in so we can keep them going.

1160
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,000
 I think I just have one more.

1161
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,600
 I appreciate that we are now looking at maintenance.

1162
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,880
 We're trying to keep that funded, try to keep that ahead of ... Stay ahead of the game on

1163
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,280
 that because I know that it's more expensive to not maintain it and have to replace it

1164
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,000
 every 28 years or whatever so I know it's cheaper to make sure that we're staying on

1165
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,280
 top of the maintenance.

1166
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,160
 We fund that, we know that we're going to have to maintain the roads.

1167
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:21,880
 We are funding that through our general fund, through revenue.

1168
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:26,000
 That's not really debt like crack seal, mill and overlay.

1169
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,000
 The street budget is mainly franchise fees.

1170
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,160
 Not debt is really where I'm going there but then we know we're going to eventually have

1171
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,920
 to replace all the streets at some point but we're paying for that with debt which is much

1172
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,920
 more expensive and I don't know who I'm asking the question to but what's kind of preventing

1173
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:55,000
 us from planning or maybe shifting our funding strategy to the less expensive option of revenue

1174
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,800
 instead of debt?

1175
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,840
 I know we're shifting there a little with the five million that council passed which

1176
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,800
 thank you by the way.

1177
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,320
 We've been looking at it a lot of different ways.

1178
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,280
 We're working with finance, CMO's office.

1179
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,000
 There's a lot of different funding mechanisms out there in different ways to go.

1180
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,120
 The roadway funding strategy put a few up there.

1181
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,560
 Some of them were, some cities have done, I forget what it's called, a roadway user

1182
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,960
 fee that they put in to the businesses and everybody lives here.

1183
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,480
 There's different options and we're looking through those and looking at different options

1184
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:30,400
 that we can bring forward.

1185
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,040
 It'll be to this committee and probably to council too before anything can move forward.

1186
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,400
 Okay, well I'll be really curious to see where that goes.

1187
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,040
 If we assumed that things were built evenly over the years and not in big bulk, you know,

1188
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,640
 high growth times, it looks like we should be spending or budgeting for roughly 25 to

1189
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:52,440
 55 million dollars per year for reconstruction of roads and I don't think we're that close

1190
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:54,560
 to that at this time.

1191
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,400
 Which I know we're trying to like influx it with a bunch of bond funding but in terms

1192
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:02,960
 of like long term, we should be spending like 25 to 55 million per year and today's dollars

1193
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:09,040
 reconstructing streets or at least budgeting for that and I think our, the 2019 bond was

1194
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:15,000
 like 70 million I think and that's like 12, 15 million dollars a year to reconstruct roads

1195
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,080
 so we're, yeah, we're working on it.

1196
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,080
 So thank you for the progress you're making, I know it's not an easy thing to do.

1197
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:24,080
 Well and the one thing I do want to throw in on that is, you know, the 70 million of

1198
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,960
 that was focusing on roadways.

1199
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:31,940
 So then we also look at water, wastewater, franchise fees, so everybody else underneath

1200
01:25:31,940 --> 01:25:33,280
 the road drainage.

1201
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:39,940
 So that's where we get running into, you know, the road costs just go up exponentially when

1202
01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:45,800
 you have to replace all the utilities under and so that's where the budgetary constraints

1203
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,200
 come in a lot of times when we start having to do everything.

1204
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,680
 And also thank you for whoever's idea it was to combine those two things together, I've

1205
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,640
 been explaining it to people and they're like why did they rip it up and then yeah, fix

1206
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,160
 it and then rip it up, yeah.

1207
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,040
 So thanks for saving us money on that.

1208
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:04,360
 You had anything else, Mr. King?

1209
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:05,360
 All right.

1210
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:06,360
 Thank you.

1211
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,160
 Thank you so much for that presentation.

1212
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:14,880
 And I just want to make sure that we've clarified that Susie Roomer has directed us to spend

1213
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:19,720
 25 million per year on roads.

1214
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:20,720
 Thank you.

1215
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:21,720
 That's what the people want.

1216
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:22,720
 Okay.

1217
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,120
 Give the people what they want.

1218
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:25,120
 Okay.

1219
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,840
 So our next amount of time that we have left.

1220
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:36,320
 I know that we are doing an excellent job in, you know, finishing up time management.

1221
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,040
 We have other meetings to attend.

1222
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:42,400
 So we're going to go on to MC 24-032.

1223
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:49,760
 I can see right here of this road crossing light on Moore Street in Woodrow.

1224
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:57,520
 Yeah, yeah, oh, come on Joe.

1225
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,000
 Road crossing for light on Moore Street in Woodrow for safety.

1226
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,640
 I'm excited about that.

1227
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,160
 So we'll start up here with bicycle friendly community designation.

1228
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:15,520
 Does anyone have any questions, comments or concerns beyond what we've received?

1229
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:20,640
 Bike path and pedestrian coordination for new razor bike bus.

1230
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:21,640
 Yes.

1231
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,640
 Yes, sir.

1232
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:31,520
 Yeah, no, I just I wonder how I haven't been able to get over with Stephanie and see how

1233
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,520
 that's going.

1234
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:38,120
 And we're quite a ways into the school year now where we've probably kind of worked out

1235
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:42,200
 any kinks for her and I wonder if we could just do a one or two sentence on how it's

1236
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:51,480
 going with her and the bike bus and what we were able to accomplish for her on that.

1237
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:57,240
 And as that's fine as a pilot and, you know, with an eye towards piloting other schools

1238
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,240
 by right.

1239
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:59,240
 Exactly.

1240
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,560
 And we're going the same direction.

1241
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:09,280
 So we we took the bike ride with them and it was it was great enlightening.

1242
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:19,120
 She has given us some requests for things that we can do to improve the safety and comfort

1243
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,160
 of those routes.

1244
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:27,920
 And when Jandra comes back, we will be looking at those.

1245
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:38,200
 I just got them yesterday and we have talked to the principal of Alexander Elementary

1246
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,240
 School about doing something similar.

1247
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,160
 She's very interested.

1248
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:55,240
 We're connecting her up with Stephanie and we'll see if we can spread the good news.

1249
01:28:55,240 --> 01:29:05,240
 I know Mr. Preston, the principal at Nettie Schultz is very interested in he and his staff

1250
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:10,320
 can't do it, obviously, but, you know, coordinating with the office to get it going.

1251
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:11,320
 Yeah.

1252
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,320
 So thank you for that.

1253
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,320
 I appreciate it.

1254
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:23,040
 You know, I just want to add that Greg Scott, Greg Scott, Greg, but you've been in front

1255
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,040
 of us before, though.

1256
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,120
 Yes, I have spoken with us before.

1257
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,120
 Maybe for people.

1258
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,120
 Yeah.

1259
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,120
 For the people.

1260
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,120
 Yeah.

1261
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,120
 Yeah.

1262
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:44,920
 I'm trying to say that Alex Alexander, as well as Tomas Rivera is sitting in that very,

1263
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:50,300
 you know, busy spot on that McKinney and that Woodrow Road.

1264
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:55,200
 So thank you all for being cognizant of that and, you know, helping us to work through

1265
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,200
 that.

1266
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,200
 Yeah.

1267
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,320
 There's a lot of kids live on those on those roadways and those apartment complexes.

1268
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:00,320
 Right.

1269
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:01,320
 All right.

1270
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,320
 Anyone else?

1271
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,720
 What about the already talked about more street and Woodrow for safety.

1272
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:12,560
 I'm so excited to let them know that as a matter of fact, the superintendent of schools

1273
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:17,120
 saw her the other evening, I was trying to feel her in a little bit on that Woodrow situation

1274
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:18,120
 we got there.

1275
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,040
 Tomas Rivera and those new apartments over there on Woodrow.

1276
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,320
 So she's going to be I'm going to let her know.

1277
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:31,480
 Anybody construction report anybody have any questions, comments, concerns regarding the

1278
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:33,360
 quarterly construction report?

1279
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:34,360
 Yes, sir.

1280
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:43,360
 I want to say that the hundred and forty five pages, I appreciate the master's dissertation

1281
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:50,840
 that we had to read and I will be honest that I'm I'm only probably a hundred pages in through

1282
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:56,200
 in terms of a skimming through it, but and that all sounds like snark and it's not meant

1283
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:57,200
 to be.

1284
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,240
 I want to praise all the staff that contributed to all those.

1285
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:07,720
 It's an amazingly complete set of reports for all these this and the and the other items

1286
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:15,360
 that are in this section with it is just chock-a-block full of data and I really want to praise you

1287
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,360
 all.

1288
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:20,300
 It is really demonstrative of the amount of work that engineering transportation streets

1289
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:23,600
 everybody capital projects is all doing.

1290
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,600
 It's an amazing amount of work and you know, I'm really glad to see that.

1291
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:32,460
 I hope you all get a chance to talk about it at the October 1st State of the State at

1292
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:38,920
 your booths, but I just want to praise you all for for that that one piece.

1293
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,160
 I do have one comment.

1294
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:50,080
 I think you mixed up East Windsor and Old North when you went in in the description the data

1295
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:57,560
 don't match the title or I mean they just got they just got mixed.

1296
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:03,320
 So you might just check that for a final report to put put the right elements with the right

1297
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:04,320
 elements.

1298
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,240
 It looked like all the data and everything was correct, but just for whatever final version

1299
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,160
 is available to the public.

1300
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:17,560
 You might just swap that and maybe it was just this for us that got jumbled.

1301
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:23,560
 But yeah, no, I appreciate everybody's efforts on all these things, you know, both you and

1302
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,560
 Dr. Butts.

1303
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:26,560
 Thank you.

1304
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:27,560
 We appreciate that.

1305
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,560
 Oh, I did have one question.

1306
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:33,520
 I'm not sure if it's the for this quarterly report.

1307
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:34,520
 Well, you know what?

1308
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:35,880
 I'll just save it for the matrix at the end.

1309
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,560
 All right, a quarterly transportation report.

1310
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,440
 Anybody have any transportation questions?

1311
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:47,160
 Okay, we're good with that.

1312
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:55,040
 And then the last is a five year CIP presentation email questions and answers that we move through

1313
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:56,040
 that.

1314
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,160
 Anybody have any additional questions, comments or concerns about that?

1315
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:04,440
 Whether there's no any any additional comments, questions or concerns about anything, we will

1316
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,040
 declare this meeting.

1317
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,040
 Oh, oh, I'm sorry.

1318
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:13,520
 Oh, I forgot to turn over the page over.

1319
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,080
 We're not in see concluding items.

1320
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:21,240
 Are there any concluding items?

1321
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,360
 We'll start here.

1322
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,640
 The DCTA board meeting is tomorrow for the month, if anyone is interested in watching

1323
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,640
 that.

1324
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,520
 And what time would that be?

1325
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,680
 So it's a 10 10 10 a.m. tomorrow, the CTA board meeting.

1326
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:37,680
 Yes, sir.

1327
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:46,280
 Yeah, I did have one after the after the downtown master plan came out at council, I had a couple

1328
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,560
 of questions I thought I would to the consultant, I thought I'd bring it up here to sort of

1329
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,840
 prime the pump, not really expecting any answers, but I know some of the elements of the downtown

1330
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:55,840
 master plan.

1331
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,200
 There were they were talking about, you know, certain new types of crosswalks, certain race

1332
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:05,580
 crosswalks, certain lighting and signalization.

1333
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:07,320
 We don't have it in the DDC right now.

1334
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,360
 We're in the transportation criteria and manual.

1335
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:16,480
 So I know that's a multi year plan as we go through that.

1336
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:21,200
 But those sorts of preamble code amendments are going to have to be in place before we

1337
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:25,160
 do any projects or we won't be able to do the projects because we don't have the matching

1338
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:26,160
 elements.

1339
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,720
 So I'm just going to encourage the team here to get that early and often so that there's

1340
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:37,200
 no roadblocks when we get to the policy parts and the funding parts and whatnot that we

1341
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:42,560
 already have those code elements ready to go so that we don't have to have a hurry up

1342
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:49,920
 and wait meeting for either PNC or DCRC to like fix it all of a sudden.

1343
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,920
 So I'm just going to encourage and for this group, the mobility, but I'll be bringing

1344
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,100
 it up with all the different part.

1345
01:34:56,100 --> 01:35:01,560
 So thank you.

1346
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,320
 Council member Holly.

1347
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:08,160
 I am anxious to experiment with a speed table.

1348
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,000
 Is that one of the items that you're speaking of?

1349
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:15,080
 There were speed tables and they talked about speed cushions.

1350
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:26,720
 It may be the same thing.

1351
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:33,160
 Greg Scott, city of Denton, bike pad ADA coordinator.

1352
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,000
 So they're not exactly the same thing.

1353
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,920
 We had a presentation before I think you came on the mobility.

1354
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:51,800
 The basic difference is that a speed cushion has channels for emergency vehicle tires to

1355
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:59,120
 go through without going up and over the raised portion.

1356
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,600
 That is the difference.

1357
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:09,160
 And a speed table is a raised area that takes up the entire intersection?

1358
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,080
 Well, there's raised intersections.

1359
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:24,520
 I think the speed table is more how I know of it as similar that extends just across

1360
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:25,520
 the street.

1361
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,520
 Okay.

1362
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:27,520
 Thank you.

1363
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:28,520
 Thank you.

1364
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:29,520
 You okay?

1365
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,520
 Okay.

1366
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:31,520
 Yes.

1367
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:32,520
 Thank you.

1368
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:38,320
 I'm going to have a shout out and then a request.

1369
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,360
 So shout out to Catherine Barnett from sustainability and Brian Beck.

1370
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:48,400
 We were at the Texas trails and transportation conference earlier this month and Brian moderated

1371
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,240
 a panel about Denton's e-bike rebate and how successful that's been.

1372
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,200
 And we compared it with Austin energy's 10 year old e-bike rebate program.

1373
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:59,000
 And it was really fun to see the comparison between our, our like baby little program

1374
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:04,520
 versus a 10 year old and council member Beck did a great job moderating as well.

1375
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,760
 Also shout out to Gary Pack and at that same conference was on a panel about local bonds

1376
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,180
 for active transportation.

1377
01:37:12,180 --> 01:37:16,920
 And so he was up there with somebody from Austin, Houston, and like a national guy and

1378
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,340
 Gary did a really great job too.

1379
01:37:18,340 --> 01:37:21,740
 So that was really exciting to have Denton representatives there.

1380
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:26,360
 And then my request is I think it was two meetings ago and it was Scott McDonald was

1381
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:34,320
 in the hot seat that month, but I tried to, I tried to request that we as a committee

1382
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:40,200
 discuss sort of the structure of the committee and what we're focusing on to make sure we're

1383
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:45,920
 looking at high level policy type of stuff and try to not get too distracted by a lower

1384
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,480
 level one-off stuff.

1385
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:52,500
 And maybe the way I could rephrase this is, so we have a mobility plan, we have a written

1386
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:58,080
 mobility plan that has goals and it has strategies in it, but I don't really hear those mentioned

1387
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,080
 in presentation.

1388
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:04,760
 So it's hard to tell if we're implementing the plan or you know, which items attached

1389
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,280
 to which strategies or which goals in our mobility plan.

1390
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:12,040
 So I don't know if that needs to be a future discussion to talk about how we want to do

1391
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:17,200
 that or if I should just request when we have a topic come up, how does it tie into a goal

1392
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,720
 or strategy from the mobility plan?

1393
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:24,560
 I think you just made the request and we are listening and we'll make sure staff includes

1394
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:25,560
 that.

1395
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:26,560
 Okay.

1396
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:27,560
 Thank you.

1397
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:32,160
 And would that be something that we would discuss monthly or is this going to be a quarterly

1398
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,160
 request or?

1399
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:39,960
 So we're getting, I mean, sufficient information, just a better idea of when we get a presentation,

1400
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,960
 how does that tie into the stated goals or strategies within our 2022 mobility plan,

1401
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:45,960
 the written portion.

1402
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,720
 Similar to when we present the council as a body, we'll make sure that we include which

1403
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,120
 one is tied to which strategic priority and how that links.

1404
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,120
 Yeah.

1405
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:56,120
 Thank you.

1406
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,120
 Thank you for that.

1407
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:02,240
 No, no, I was, Frank said what I was going to say, so I'm going to shut up.

1408
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,240
 The experts speak.

1409
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:04,240
 No, I'm just kidding.

1410
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,240
 When is our next meeting?

1411
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:08,240
 When is our next meeting?

1412
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:12,320
 It's usually the last Wednesday of the month, October the 30th.

1413
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:13,320
 Thank you.

1414
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,320
 Oh, that's the great Halloween day.

1415
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,640
 One thing, sort of.

1416
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:18,640
 Halloweeny.

1417
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:19,640
 Halloweeny.

1418
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:29,680
 So, I guess we'll thank you all for your input, concluding items, all right, no concluding

1419
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:37,880
 items and I guess we can, or we will conclude this meeting at 1139 a.m.

1420
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,320
 Thank you all very much.