1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 We have quorum. Yay! 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Alright, I am going to call the meeting to order. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:15,000 We have a quorum present. It is Monday, September 9th, and I'm calling the meeting at 5.36 p.m. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,000 If you would all please rise with me and let's see the pledge of allegiance. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, 6 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,000 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one indivisible. 8 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Thank you all. 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Alright. 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Okay, we have one individual from the community that would like to speak. Jennifer Blaine. 11 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Will you come up to the podium please? 12 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Sure. 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:22,000 You'll have three minutes. 14 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Okay, great. Thank you. 15 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I wanted to just apprise the committee that Cameron graciously took a group of us 16 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 in the Deenia Neighborhood Association who are a subcommittee at a forum for the landmark, 17 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,000 a subcommittee landmark committee within Deenia, and we did a neighborhood walk, 18 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,000 and this is one of the maps that she created for us, 19 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 and I have a version of it with it marked up with contemporary homes and ranch homes, split metal homes, 20 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 almost all of Kendall Street, and off of Woodwardville, 21 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 we recently approved a home down to Willowwood here, 22 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,000 are homes that are prior to 1970 or are of historic value in one form or another, 23 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:11,000 mostly being mid-century modern ranch style, contemporary split level kinds of homes, 24 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,000 and so there is a group that we're starting to do the work that's necessary, 25 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 and will be probably coming from time to time for your advice. 26 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 There may be individual homes that are landmarked first, 27 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 and then at a certain point the whole neighborhood might end up landmarked 28 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 before some people have finished the process for the homes. 29 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,000 So that's basically what I wanted to do, is just give you that heads up. 30 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And then one other topic is just that I went to the PNC, I remember being here when it was much discussed, 31 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:46,000 the senior center and the O'Neill Ford aspect and the swimming pool and all that sort of thing, 32 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 and that too came up pretty heavily at PNC, 33 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:55,000 and so I wanted to kind of underscore that you guys are on the right track to keep your eye on that. 34 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 I know you were really not letting go of that. 35 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 We want to make sure that this is not somehow something we have to come back to 36 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 and isn't protected from the outset. 37 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Myself and others who very much agree with you, 38 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,000 particularly surrounding that swimming pool area, which once gone would be impossible to replace. 39 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And so this neighborhood here, if you have any questions, 40 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 I'm sure Cameron is far better suited to be able to answer them, 41 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:28,000 but it's preserved in a way that a similar neighborhood in Dallas is not. 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 It has already been hit by McMansions and all sorts of things like that, 43 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 and it's always a fear when those homes go up for sale. 44 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 So we want to get the designation going, and we've been working on it. 45 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 That's really all I have to say. 46 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 - Thank you. - Thank you so much. 47 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 - We appreciate it. - You're welcome. 48 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 - We appreciate it. - Did you want to speak? 49 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Come on up. 50 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,000 I'll take your card now. 51 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Okay, then Charles Lee, you'll have three minutes as well, Ms. Hurley. 52 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 - It's up here with you. 53 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,000 - No, you keep that up there. 54 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Now, I say this is very like... 55 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 because there's a property tax exemption that comes along 56 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 every time you place a historical value on something. 57 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 And people don't understand what an exemption is. 58 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 An exemption is not a tax cut. 59 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,000 What you're doing, you're exempting certain people at the expense of others, 60 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,000 and you're going to be shifting the tax burden from one people's set of houses to another. 61 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000 And you're going to exempt the whole neighborhood? 62 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 That's going to be kind of a problem, 63 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 especially because certain people are going to have... 64 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,000 that means this property right here is going to be more valuable, 65 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 because these houses right here are going to have a tax exemption. 66 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 The other houses aren't going to have. 67 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 And that's going to increase the value of this property right here. 68 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 And this is going to be prime real estate, 69 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 and you're going to close a division in the society, 70 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 and I don't think it's a good idea. 71 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 This historical placement needs to be very limited, 72 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,000 and it needs to be very... 73 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 make sure these things are not right for abuse, 74 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 because I can see this is something that's very dangerous. 75 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,000 And it should be very limited in its scope. 76 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 You just go on and just say you're going to do whole neighborhoods. 77 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 I look on the map, that's like half a dent. 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Half a dent is going to be placed as a historical? 79 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 This needs to be very thought about, 80 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 about what you're going to place as a historical. 81 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 It needs to be very limited, 82 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 and really it should be something that should be placed to the voters, 83 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 to the voters to decide what buildings are going to be hit, 84 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 and which buildings are not. 85 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 And that's all I have to say. 86 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Thank you. 87 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Ms. Julie, can I ask you a question? 88 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Yes. 89 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 We can't. 90 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 We can't ask questions? 91 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 No. 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 It's not an agenda item. 93 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Okay. 94 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Sorry. 95 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Don't worry. 96 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Okay. 97 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 All right. 98 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Thank you guys for your input. 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 All right. 100 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Moving along. 101 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 We are going to move to item 3A, 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:21,000 number HLC 24-36 is to approve the minutes of the August 12th, 103 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 approve the minutes for the August 12th meeting. 104 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 I just need a motion in a second. 105 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 So moved. 106 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Thank you. 107 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 All in favor raise your hands. 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Aye. 109 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Okay. 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Great. 111 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Thank you so much. 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 And now we have a work session. 113 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 We're going to hear item 4A, 114 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,000 number HLC 24-039 to receive a report 115 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 and hold discussion regarding the Southeast Indian Area Plan. 116 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Who do we have with us today? 117 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Good evening. 118 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 I am Julie Wyatt. 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Okay, Julie. 120 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Here we go. 121 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Can we pass these out now? 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Okay. 123 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Let me just give a quick -- let you know what those are. 124 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 So at your desk you have a copy of the plan, 125 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 a hard copy of the plan. 126 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 It's also available online. 127 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 If you do -- if some of the maps are hard to read 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 because they can get kind of small, 129 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,000 feel free to let us know and I'll be happy to email those to you. 130 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Those books, you are free to look at them. 131 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 We had quite a bit of public engagement 132 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 I'm going to talk about in a minute. 133 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 And these books were part of it. 134 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,000 And we'll talk about that in just a minute. 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,000 So feel free to take a look at those. 136 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 So this is the Southeast Indian Area Plan. 137 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,000 And this was adopted by council on July 23rd of this year. 138 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 So it is freshly adopted. 139 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,000 But we wanted to talk to you about the role that HLC has in the plan 140 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,000 where historic preservation comes into -- is going to come into focus in the plan 141 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 and where it is -- it's really one of those driving strategies within the plan. 142 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:06,000 So the study area -- the study began -- it kicked off in 2022, in March of 2022. 143 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,000 And our original core boundary was McKinney to the north, 144 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Woods Road, Shady Oaks, Teasley Lane, Dallas Drive, and then Bell Avenue to the west. 145 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 That was the core area we looked at. 146 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:26,000 We talked to the community a lot about the boundary of the Southeast Indian Area Plan 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,000 because we wanted to make sure that the community defined what that boundary was. 148 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And so it was an iterative process where first we had the community members drive 149 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 and then we had maps that they could choose from and we had a survey. 150 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Ultimately, we kept that core, but we added a transitional area. 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 So north of McKinney and then east of Woodrow and south of Shady Oaks, 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,000 we've got that transition area because we know what happens on one side of the street. 153 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 That's what happens on the other side of the street. 154 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,000 So we wanted to make sure that we were sensitive in that transition area 155 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:06,000 to the Shady Oaks -- or to the Southeast Indian Area. 156 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,000 This was a council-directed plan and there were quite a few purposes for it. 157 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,000 But first, it was to acknowledge that generational trauma 158 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 that resulted from the displacement of Quaker Town residents. 159 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 That was really first and foremost. 160 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Also, to address those subsequent city actions. 161 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 It was to address residents' concerns about future displacement. 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 There are some development projects that are going along the edge and within Southeast Indy. 163 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 And so the community members were concerned about that. 164 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 So we wanted to address those concerns. 165 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:44,000 We want to identify those areas that are important to residents to preserve and protect. 166 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,000 But also identify those areas that they were open to change. 167 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Suggest ideas for future improvement, and that is all the public infrastructure part -- 168 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,000 the parks, the streets, the sidewalks. 169 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 And then make recommendations for those capital improvements. 170 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 As I said, we had quite a bit of community engagement. 171 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,000 I think all total we had about 40 times where we were in the community 172 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,000 talking to residents and stakeholders about their vision of the area, 173 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,000 their concerns, what their goals were for Southeast Indy. 174 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Early in the plan, we realized that just a one-size-fits-all approach was not going to work. 175 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 We couldn't just have a community meeting and the whole neighborhood would show up. 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,000 We had to get out in the community in a variety of ways. 177 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,000 So we did have those traditional community meetings, envisioning workshops. 178 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:46,000 But we also had listening sessions where the city wasn't even invited to come. 179 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:53,000 They met with our project team, our consultant group, the community members did. 180 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,000 And really just to listen, listen to the community about their concerns and their frustrations 181 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 to figure out how we go from there. 182 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 We did intercept surveys. 183 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,000 The books you have are a part of that intercept survey. 184 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:16,000 So we found that going to community events where a lot of community members were going to be present 185 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:23,000 or also just kind of show up at the corner store and talk to residents who were just passing by 186 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:30,000 were really effective ways to talk to a broad demographic of Southeast Indian residents and stakeholders. 187 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 So we started out with just a survey, so asking questions. 188 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 And then we drilled that down, ultimately had a visual preference survey, 189 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:45,000 which is what I see a lot of y'all are looking at, kind of having people vote on what do you want to see. 190 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 So the blue was, hey, we want to see it, the yellow, we don't like that. 191 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,000 And then also we asked them about the strategies. 192 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Once we got to that part of the planning effort, we asked like, 193 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:05,000 do you agree with these strategies that the project team has come up with to address your concerns? 194 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 So those were those intercept surveys. 195 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 And then we did a staff implementation workshop. 196 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,000 So our consultant on the project was Mitchell Silver. 197 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 He was once the parks commissioner in New York City. 198 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:26,000 He's quite a big guy in the planning profession. 199 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:35,000 And he works a lot with communities of color and also on projects where equity is really an important factor. 200 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:44,000 And he started talking to the staff very early, like whatever we put in the plan, we need to make sure that we can do. 201 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:51,000 And so we had staff implementation workshops both at the beginning and the end of the plan to say, OK, here's what we heard from the community. 202 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Here's what we'd like to put in the plan. 203 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Can we get this done? 204 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 And we wanted to make sure that that was an important part. 205 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 So staff implementation was also really necessary. 206 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:10,000 So what we heard from the community, they wanted to improve communication between the community and the city. 207 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:19,000 They wanted to maintain those cherished assets within Southeast Denton to preserve Denton's history and remember the lessons of Quaker Town. 208 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 That was a really important factor to the community. 209 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Wanted to create standards for housing to ensure long term affordability and also address concerns about displacement to improve infrastructure and end a pattern and neglect and begin to heal the area. 210 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,000 So from that, we created community goals today. 211 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 We're really only going to be talking about goal number two. 212 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 That really is most relevant to the Historic Brand Bar Commission. 213 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 So, of course, you can read all of the plan. 214 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,000 If you have if you want to talk about it, feel free to call me. 215 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 We can talk about all the other elements. 216 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,000 I'll be happy to or Mia Hines, who also worked on the project with me. 217 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,000 We love talking about the Southeast Denton area plan. 218 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000 And so we'll be happy to chat with you if you'd like to. 219 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,000 We also through the public engagement, a vision was established. 220 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,000 And this was vetted by not only the steering committee, but also the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council. 221 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:26,000 The vision is for a harmonious future that ensures a diverse, resilient and inclusive community for generations to come. 222 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:35,000 We will be a vibrant community that the city cultivates trust with, cherishes and preserves our rich black history and culture, 223 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:42,000 discourages gentrification, ensure shared prosperity and elevates the overall quality of life through strategic investments. 224 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 I think it's a pretty good vision. 225 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,000 So we're excited about that. 226 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:52,000 So I want to talk about plan highlights in particular with HLC. 227 00:14:52,000 --> 00:15:03,000 So one of our strategies, strategy 2.1 is use historic preservation tools and incentives to recognize the goals we created. 228 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Oh, you're fine. 229 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:16,000 So really how the plan is organized is we took all of the public engagement and what we heard from the community and the existing conditions analysis. 230 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 And those goals were devised in the vision statement. 231 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,000 From that, the project team created strategies. 232 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Those got a little more specific to those goals and and that vision from those strategies were action items. 233 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:38,000 So with every with each layer, you get a little more detail, a little more specific about what you're going to do. 234 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:45,000 This is a strategy and that is to use the historic preservation tools and incentives to recognize that built environment. 235 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:53,000 And that was to address that goal to to honor the culture and heritage of Southeast. 236 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:01,000 So through that, we we have actions within the plan that will that will address this strategy. 237 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,000 One is is a historic resource survey through our analysis. 238 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:15,000 We realize in our research that the last time Southeast Denton was survey was in '96. That was a long time ago. 239 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:21,000 And we and there's there are a lot of historic structures within Southeast Denton that need to be preserved. 240 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:29,000 It not only, you know, preserves that record within Denton, but it also can help preserve the culture of Southeast Denton. 241 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 It can assist homeowners. 242 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 And so it is and it's something that we've heard the community they want to preserve. 243 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:42,000 So so that is is strategy two point one. 244 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:49,000 The next strategy is to develop and implement a Southeast Denton history and cultural roots preservation program. 245 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Mitchell Silver was really excited about this. 246 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,000 He did a similar plan in Harlem in New York. 247 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,000 And because they saw a lot of demographic changes that we are seeing in Southeast Denton. 248 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,000 Southeast Denton was historically mainly African-American, 249 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:16,000 but it has changed over the last three decades in that it's now a third African-American, 250 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 a third Hispanic or Latino, and then a third white. 251 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 So it is changing demographically. 252 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:31,000 But we want to make sure that we honor the history of Southeast Denton because that is really important on the history and the culture. 253 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:38,000 So not only are that that the black culture, but also the emerging Hispanic culture. 254 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,000 So it's interesting. We heard from the steering committee about Prairie Street 255 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,000 and that Prairie Street used to be kind of a main street within Southeast Denton. 256 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:54,000 There were a lot of businesses there, so you can't see it very well, but I pulled up historic aerial from the 1950s. 257 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,000 And you can see there were a lot of structures there on Prairie Street. 258 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:07,000 And a lot of community members have stories about visiting Prairie Street and being able to go shopping there. 259 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000 I think movies, I think there was a movie theater there. 260 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Well, that Prairie Street looks a lot different now. 261 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:21,000 But what we want to do is make sure that we understand the past of Prairie Street so that within a cultural district, 262 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:30,000 we can we can provide reminders of what Prairie Street used to be, maybe through historical markers or public art, 263 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:35,000 or if there is something within the right of way that can be done, maybe tours. 264 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 So there are a lot of things that we could do with with a cultural district. 265 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 So that was something that we were really excited about. 266 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,000 We also heard from community members. 267 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,000 I talked with one community member whose father built that house. 268 00:18:50,000 --> 00:19:00,000 And she told me about when they built it and that he had a shrub in the front that was trimmed to look like a sofa or a couch. 269 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 And and like that. And she told me all about it. 270 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,000 And I was like, do you have pictures of it? She didn't have pictures. She might have a picture of it. 271 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:15,000 So if we if we get a picture, we would I would love to have that because that, you know, those those kinds of stories about the community, 272 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,000 we want to make sure that we keep them and we keep them alive. 273 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 So through those strategies, we get to implementation. 274 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,000 So and with the implementation are action steps. 275 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,000 And this is where it gets down to more fine grain and what we're what we're actually going to be doing. 276 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Area plan includes 53 action steps. 277 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:43,000 And those are organized as short, medium and long term short term is in the next one to two years. 278 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Medium, I believe, is in three to five. 279 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,000 And then long term is up to 10 years. 280 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,000 We have, I think, 27, 27 items that are short term. 281 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 So we have a lot to do in the next couple of years. 282 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:04,000 In fact, one of the planning and zoning commission members said you better be back next year having done 15 of them. 283 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:14,000 So we have been working to to prioritize those implementation steps because we want to make sure that we can we can hit all of those milestones 284 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,000 and that we can really get get going on this on on the area plan. 285 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:32,000 When it comes to historic preservation, staff just submitted a grant to the National Park Service and it is for underrepresented communities. 286 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000 And we're really excited and we hope we get it. 287 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000 They are going to award it, I believe, January 30th of next year. 288 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,000 So that would be money to start a survey on the southeast end. 289 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:53,000 If we are awarded it next year, we will procure a consultant and get started on that on that survey 290 00:20:53,000 --> 00:21:00,000 so we can figure out what the boundaries would be for potentially a historic district or a conservation district. 291 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 And then what individual properties could be landmarked. 292 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000 And we're looking not only at the residential, but also the churches. 293 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,000 We think those are really, really important that we need to preserve and say as part of that. 294 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:23,000 And kind of running parallel, we also want to make sure that we are engaged with the community to educate our residents and property owners, 295 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:33,000 stakeholders and homeowners about the benefits of historic preservation and how it can assist them in not only financially, 296 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:43,000 but also just in maintaining the community and those historical touchstones. So we'll be beginning that soon as well. 297 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Also, I don't know if you're aware of it, but the city has a performance management software called Invisio. 298 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:03,000 And the city puts all of our strategic initiatives on Invisio. And so it's not only the strategic plan, but the comprehensive plan and the parks plan. 299 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:15,000 And we are going to be working with our team here to put the Southeast Denton area plan, those action steps within Invisio. 300 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:23,000 So we can make sure that we can track that. We can look at all of the different metrics that it would measure. 301 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:30,000 So with that, that concludes my presentation. I'll be happy to answer any questions about the plan, about the public engagement, anything related. 302 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:39,000 If there's super in-depth and historic preservation, I'll probably have Cameron come up and tell you about it, but happy to answer any questions. 303 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:49,000 When I looked at this thing with the dots, I was confused. 304 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Are these dots supposed to represent what people did? Are they just what they would? Yes. So that was visual preference. 305 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:05,000 So we heard from the community that they really wanted to maintain the single family nature of Southeast Denton. 306 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:14,000 There was a concern about large multifamily developments on coming into the neighborhood, particularly in the core of the neighborhood. 307 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:29,000 So we wanted to get from the resident. But we did hear that the community was open to some missing metal, maybe some duplexes or some triplexes, something that integrated well within that existing urban fabric. 308 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:45,000 So taking armed with that information, we went out with the community with some different typologies of buildings to say, hey, would you like to see this in your community or would you hate it and you don't want to see it? 309 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:55,000 So with a blue dot, they said, yes, I like it. With the yellow dot, they said, no, I hate this. Don't bring it in. 310 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:10,000 So so that's how we and we use that with we took those on intercept surveys. We went to American Legion with it. We also went to Sedna. 311 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:27,000 So and we even went to Denton High School because a lot of students at Denton High School come from Southeast Denton. So that is their that's their school. And so we wanted to hear from kids because so often you just hear from older folks in plans. 312 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:40,000 But really, when you're talking about area plan, you're talking about planning for your kids because they are kind of 20 years in the future. So we wanted to hear from from kids as well. 313 00:24:40,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Okay. And so what did they tell you with regard to the streets? So, yes. And, you know, we heard from the community that they wanted some multimodal elements. So they wanted more pipelines, more sidewalks, things like street trees. 314 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:12,000 So we did hear from the community that they did want that in. 315 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Well, and we had five books, so it's spread out over lots of different books. All of these have dots. So they gave them. They kind of spread out here. 316 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Yeah, so we had lots. We had five different books that we took out to the community. So we had to tally up all the dots from all the books. 317 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:53,000 This is what you showed the citizens, and then they get the dots. And this is kind of the results. No, no, no, those were. Yes. Yes. So that was those were the strategies that was the result from that. 318 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,000 And then we asked the community members, do you agree with this strategy or not? Yeah. 319 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Okay, so over here where we show these bicycle cans and all this, and I see all these yellow dots. Well, that's one book. We had five books, just like that. 320 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Where we had different. We also have different streets, different streets and different. 321 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:29,000 We also have visioning. Okay, okay. Sorry. 322 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Just trying to get the Woody Woodpecker decoder. No, I understand. 323 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:44,000 This is a very negative one that I have here. 324 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:59,000 We also, we also had a visioning workshop that also had the street section. So it was, there were several times where we touched the community about that those different ideas to see if that was something that they were in favor of. 325 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:15,000 And so, you know, I mean, we heard we heard some that didn't want those things, but we've also heard from others. So one of the action steps in terms of the streets is we, we, we understand that the kind of the street right away in Southeast 326 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:30,000 set right those street sections are set they were established 100 years ago when those, when those neighborhoods were platted. And we also understand that that the travel patterns have been established in Southeast. 327 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:41,000 You know, community members want to park on street on this street they you know they want to drive so we want to make sure that we are sensitive to the community. 328 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:55,000 So the area plan ended up that we do have multimodal elements within it where where there are some streets where bicycle and pedestrian do make sense. 329 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:11,000 We've also heard that maybe there's not enough space on other streets so we've tried to be really sensitive try to stay within the existing confines of those rights of way. 330 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Another thing that we, as part of the plan is to be more engaged with the community before we design the street, because I think that is where we've made missteps in the past, and that we've designed streets and thought well this, this makes sense here from an engineering 331 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:48,000 standpoint, but we haven't maybe understood how those residents have maybe felt about it because of those travel patterns and the way they were. So, so one of the action steps is to create a communication strategy and outreach strategy before any streets are ever 332 00:28:48,000 --> 00:29:09,000 designed in Southeast and, and another is to use something called tactical urbanism, I've lost that word twice today and tactical urbanism is a really good good solution it's a low cost solution to try out different strategies on streets, 333 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:21,000 using things like paint, or removable bollards to see because we hear, we hear concerns about speeding on mores, or part of the reason why people speed on mores is because it's so wide. 334 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Are there ways to narrow mores to provide sidewalks and maybe bicycles, but not interrupt people's lives. So to use some tactical urbanism before we start digging up streets, or putting in new curves to see if it's going to work. 335 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:54,000 If it doesn't work you just take it out and you try a new idea so that's that's what the plan calls for is to, to work more with the community before we start making huge changes. 336 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Okay, at least I understand what I'm looking at. 337 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Okay, good. I'm sorry. 338 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:13,000 You're saying one thing I'm looking at this. 339 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Yeah, I've gone through that and I've gone I went to several of the meetings to. But, you know, I didn't know what the compilation was. I went to the one where you all broke the glass to 340 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:38,000 drop it in. 341 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 But yes, sorry I was unclear. 342 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000 So that yes. 343 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:56,000 I don't know exactly how you get you have all these separate books. Is there one that's supposed to represent the total. 344 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Yes, so what, what that was, is the project team took those books took all of that information we actually had them online to compiled all that data. 345 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:24,000 And that drove some of the recommendations in the plan. So, they counted all that information up and did the analysis and then created the plan from it so the plans actually the culmination of all of that. 346 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:32,000 You're just, I just thought y'all might think it was interesting to see how the sausage was made. Yes, I always like to see how the sausage. 347 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:44,000 So you can't take those with you but I if you want, you can always come visit them. 348 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Since we're not doing the work. 349 00:31:46,000 --> 00:32:09,000 You know, and where those came about was because sorry I could talk a lot about you can play me off stage but um, so often when you go to a community meeting you have the big poster boards, and everybody puts their dots on the poster boards. 350 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Well, that really wasn't possible with intercept surveys. So those are the poster boards. Yeah, and those were shrunk down and the purpose of that was so that they could be more, you know, easily handout at an event. 351 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:42,000 Yeah, I got those in my life. 352 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:59,000 And I appreciate the staffs, determinedly doing it, and especially when you have meetings and you didn't have very many people turn up and then you'd have another one and another one and I think staff had more meetings dealing with this than any other one issue. 353 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Ever since my time in debt. 354 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:13,000 And then I just felt like oh god, when we were at council meeting, and somebody says delay. 355 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:26,000 And to echo Councilwoman Adam, I want to thank the staff because this has been very thoughtful, but very deliberate. Yes. And it's showing a lot of care in this community that deserves a lot of care. 356 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:35,000 So, I know from a historic vantage point I very much appreciate that, and I know that those steps are super necessary. 357 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:41,000 And there's so much invisible labor, because of this too, right, like you say all the constant meetings and things. 358 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:53,000 But I'm super pleased that we have something that's also giving us direct feedback that we can use to inform our decisions, because that, at the end of the day, that's what we need. 359 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Well, and it really is just the beginning so we've been Keisha is going to keep us on track to make sure that we, it, it gets done. 360 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:21,000 And one last question. And it has to do with the Pecan Creek leeway that's going through there so one of the things that kind of interests me about, as we're thinking about our kind of interior design here. 361 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:32,000 And things that's within the city's domain, especially with the new textile interventions that make us super sensitive to what we don't know. 362 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 So along the concrete, there's a flood obviously. 363 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Have there been any discussions about developing that some of that as possible pathways. 364 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:57,000 There is a, there is a trail plan through the concrete connection. 365 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:14,000 And I do believe in color on your computer. I won't guarantee this but I am 95% sure that parks has a grant, and it is it. Yes, and yes. 366 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:32,000 It is, it is moving for concrete trail so it's really important I mean, yeah, look, look how. Yeah, but directly to the center and then you have the rail trail. Yeah, so huge connectivity, right, absolutely, absolutely. 367 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000 Fantastic. I wanted to highlight that because I'm excited. 368 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000 I am too. 369 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:58,000 All right, I appreciate staff's diligence and the two it's been been a while. Yeah, it's been a long project and it's a lot longer to go. But you know what I was really excited about is staff to see what we had an interest in with those churches. 370 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,000 And we were thinking what can we do. 371 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,000 And so I'm glad to see that that's kind of a. 372 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:28,000 It was such a big help on the crafting especially of that section of, of the area plan for the survey the education and then that the future step of the trying to find grant money and other things to to continue to work with the churches and make sure that 373 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,000 those that they stay, stay active members of our community. 374 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate it. 375 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Thank you. 376 00:36:43,000 --> 00:37:00,000 All right, our next item is item for be HLC two four dash zero three seven. We're going to receive a report and hold the discussion and give staff direction on the historic landmark Commission's request for local historic designation of eligible historic properties. 377 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Did anybody have one they wanted to bring 378 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000 anything new. Yes. 379 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Did you want to talk about them. 380 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 We're going to bring that up. 381 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Is this the place to bring up. No, I'm a matrix matrix. That's matrix. 382 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Next. 383 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000 So that's enough. 384 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000 As usual, so no one has. 385 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 That would be enough. 386 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:39,000 All right, we're moving on to item for see HLC two four dash zero three eight to hold a discussion regarding the historic landmark Commission project matrix. 387 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Yeah, all right. So there's been some discussion about there's a renewal that's going to happen in terms of a city lease I believe what it is with the women's club usage. 388 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:13,000 And so there's been some interest expressed from community members, and I read about some more interpretive work that maybe could happen with the women's club, so the library. 389 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:26,000 Correct. Yeah, women's club it's on the edge of the library. Right. So, the women's club building that was built there, actually the city owns it at least to the women's club. 390 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:34,000 We have some interested in maybe doing some survey work in terms of 391 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:40,000 trying to look at the contributions and we're fairly interpreting that area. 392 00:38:40,000 --> 00:39:00,000 So, I'm interested in opening up a discussion on us to add that to the matrix to be able to look at that historic interpretation, and maybe even invite members and leadership from the women's club to come talk to us a little bit about the building 393 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:12,000 the future of the building the past of the building for us to then look at ways to further our kind of historic interpretation. 394 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:29,000 So, I do want to clarify just real quick. So, are you are putting forward in front of the commission that you would like the commission to invite the members of the women's club here to have a discussion in hopes of creating a historic 395 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:43,000 narrative signage, in terms of, I guess, you know, around to flush it out. So, a little fuller interpretation, I mean the, the one that is there is, in my opinion, really outdated. 396 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,000 I mean, last time I was in the park and walk through and I read that that doesn't really tell the story that connection to Quaker. 397 00:39:50,000 --> 00:40:00,000 And it is there on the Quaker town. So, I'm, I'm interested in flushing that out a little more full and revisiting that connection. 398 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:10,000 And as a way to then provide a fuller account related to the other historic work that's going on. 399 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Thank you. I didn't understand at first, too, but that explains it. Okay, so for that we need a second to be able to add it to the matrix. 400 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,000 So we don't have to vote. We need three votes. 401 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Well, it was unanimous. 402 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Everyone in favor. Thank you. Okay. Anything else. 403 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Let's see how we're doing. 404 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:59,000 Okay, so I know there was supposed to be a continuation the historic tax exemption discussion. We're running lots and lots of numbers, so we're trying to pare down those numbers that you all are overwhelmed with. 405 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Because even I'm over staff is a little overwhelmed by the numbers that we're getting. So we're going to have that continuation of that discussion in October, 14, just a little bit more time to kind of fix, or I guess iron out all the options that we are wanting to present. 406 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Obviously, general topic training. This is, you know, Julie's discussion. That's one of those trainings in terms of kind of what is coming forward in terms of your duties and interests that you all have. 407 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:47,000 We do have the on hold still for that presentation preliminary guidelines that focus group for historic property owners. That's going to be something after we kind of work through this historic tax exemption discussions a little bit more. 408 00:41:47,000 --> 00:42:08,000 And then the template agenda to be utilized by you all that's still in the works. So we have lots of different moving pieces right now, but I'm glad we're having positive progression forward in terms of the goals and the requests that we have going forward. 409 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,000 And then we have another item for next time. 410 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:22,000 I think city of McKinney is one that you're looking up to. I was there last week and man. 411 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Oh, look at that. Oh, look at that. 412 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:39,000 All right. Any other further business that we need to discuss. 413 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:54,000 I have some items. Oh, you did. But you, I would say us first. Yes, you all go first. No, no, no, I was just gonna say I'm gonna take Cameron in the bathroom. We don't have something else. 414 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:14,000 I'll turn the cameras off. Okay. So just wanted to provide you all a reminder that the Design Downtown Denton plan is going forward for public hearing next Tuesday at City Council. So September 17th, and that will start at 630 in the City Council chambers. 415 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:29,000 In terms of another survey underway, I was gonna say Lenny and Angie, y'all are probably the only ones that are familiar with this. The Southridge Historic Resource Survey is finally going through the procurement process. 416 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:43,000 We've received three proposals. We're reviewing those right now as staff getting some good things coming up in those proposals. So we're moving forward and hopefully going to enter a contract by the end of 2024. 417 00:43:43,000 --> 00:44:01,000 Southridge neighborhood has never been surveyed. It was not surveyed prior to 1996. So it is some new area that will be surveying. So we're really excited. So we might have two surveys underway. Who knows, in 2025, which would be really exciting. 418 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:16,000 There's a public hearing that's going on next week. Yes. That's on the clock plan. The Design Downtown Denton plan. So that included Quaker Town Park. Yes, the Quaker Town Park Master Plan is going to be part of that. 419 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:35,000 And they can do that without the approval of the historic commission on the plans. So that as kind of Tina had talked about last meeting, that's something that it's a proposed action step, but there's going to be a lot more conversation. 420 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:53,000 It's not just a done deal that, oh, this is happening. It is a much larger discussion. So nothing happens with that plan passing if it does pass. So we're still in the mix. Yes, but it's similar where with Julie's with the Southeast Denton area plan. 421 00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:10,000 Nothing happens until there's further discussion. Until then, it's just a plan. There's nothing. So just a public hearing. Are they voting on it? The planning on the plan, but the specific action items that will deal with Quaker Town that some of them will probably need. 422 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Yes, as we work through the plan, both implementations, specific action steps and tasks to actually implement the plan. But that was in the details when we get the dance. Well, that's why I'm just wondering if it's the right term that they're going to approve the plan or propose. 423 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:52,000 Adopted plan, but there's so many action steps. I think there's for the downtown plan. There's 23 recommendations of which there's multiple action steps for each recommendation. So similar to what Julie did this evening, I'll be coming back specifically showing you all those action steps or recommendations for of which HLC will be involved. 424 00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Okay, that's what I want to make sure. You've heard a lot in the community about closing the pool and opposition to that. I just want to make sure that we're in the mix with that or anything like that. Yes, you all are a key stakeholder. 425 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:24,000 I know it's going to be replaced by it. It's conceptual winning. That did not. I was told it was going to be a, what are those things, little water shoes. Flash pad. That's what's in the plan, but they haven't come to us yet for that. I know. 426 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:38,000 I think that's a rendering is a conceptual plan. I guess I understand. I guess HLC will be a key stakeholder in many different recommendations that are being implemented or being brought forward as part of the plan. 427 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:56,000 And then in addition, okay, so September 17, Southridge survey, and then Lenny's request of getting more information regarding 4101 Brown Brothers Trail. I do have some information regarding that. 428 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:17,000 It's obviously a mid-century modern home. It's on 195 acre tract. Just going to, I'm not sure Lenny exactly what you wanted information about, but this is all on Zillow. But it is not currently for sale, but it is approximately $5.4 million. 429 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:33,000 I believe in 1960. Yep. I was going to say 1962, but it's 1960. The home. So these are just some photos of the house on the property. 430 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:47,000 Obviously lots of nice natural light. There's that fire pit place in the middle of the living room with the open kitchen concept. Yes, exactly. 431 00:47:47,000 --> 00:48:06,000 They don't tell you how much of the price is the dry aged beef. Oh gosh. Honestly, Scott. So this is all I've been able to find, unfortunately Lenny, about it so far, but are we interested in, do we do field trips Lenny? Yeah. 432 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,000 Can we get a golf cart from the city? 433 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:21,000 Lenny, this was yours. You want to pursue? Well, I was just, I was thinking that it was a mid-century modern house. 434 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:34,000 And that it needed to be saved. Yeah. And it's, it's, it looks abandoned. Okay. So these pictures don't obviously, but they don't. So question, do we know who owns it? Who shows up in the property records? 435 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:48,000 And is there a possibility we could reach out and invite them here for, can we do that? So there's no guarantee that they will come. Sure, of course not. 436 00:48:48,000 --> 00:49:02,000 Item 4B, there is the opportunity for staff to send a letter, but we, we will have to bring that back next agenda. So Lenny, if you want to bring that back next agenda, 4B, to pursue this, I'm more than happy to do that. 437 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:15,000 Well, I don't want us to get off agenda, separate clothes, including items. But do we want to continue, this is, I guess, the number to, the words to say for next, do you want to, yes. 438 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:25,000 I don't want to chase it by myself. No, no, no, no, not by yourself, not by yourself. Anybody else is interested in this property because it could be a bonus to us. 439 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:33,000 We have to bring that up during the potential discussion, if there's a motion passed, 4B later. 440 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Am I right, counselor? Okay. 441 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:48,000 Yeah, it's either 4A or 4B next time, but during that specific topic regarding local historic destinations, just make sure you bring that back up. We can open this floor for discussion and then you all can decide at that time. 442 00:49:48,000 --> 00:50:00,000 Okay, perfect. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm, I still want to, I'll do a little bit more research, but I'll send it to you in the meantime, Lenny, but I think you should bring it up. 443 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,000 Figure out who's paying the bills. So we're going to be talking to you. And, yeah, I'm interested. To be continued. 444 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:19,000 To be done. We have a cliffhanger. Great. I have no more announcements. Do you have any other staff have anything? 445 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:25,000 Okay. Now, commissioners, anything now? No, I think we're good. 446 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:33,000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to make a motion to pursue it? Well, we can't. We can't do that. We can't do that. We've already passed 4B. We have to make that. 447 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:40,000 All right. Yeah. All right. We're adjourned at 627. Thank you. Thank you.