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 >> Thank you and welcome to the mobility committee meeting. It is August 28, 2024. I will note

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 present. So I will commence with the rest of the meeting. We'll start off with citizen

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 up to the podium and you can state your comment. And give me one second and we'll start your

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 And let's go ahead. >> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Charles Lee. I just

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 have one quick comment. I'm not going to take the whole three minutes. I just want to speak

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 about the bike lanes and the bike lanes going up in the city. I'm saying I believe it's

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 just a waste of time and money because nobody uses the bike lanes. They're just taking up

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 road space. On Windsor Road, you have bike lanes. And I've lived there for about three

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 going on four years now. And I've only maybe seen one bicyclist on those bike lanes the

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 whole time. And it just cuts down the road traffic. And I think it's a waste of time

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 and money. And that's pretty much all I have to say. You, ladies and gentlemen, have a

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 nice day. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Lee. Any questions

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 for Mr. Lee? >> I have a question, please. Do you want

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 to use the microphone? >> Wow. It came on. Mr. Lee, good morning.

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 Nice to see you again. Where do you live? >> I live on the second district. I live on

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 Elm Street. But I live on -- there's a road over there I believe it's called Windsor.

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 It goes by the -- it goes between North Elm Street and University. And there's bike lanes.

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 If I -- I'm almost positive that's the name of the road. It's called Windsor. By where

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 the movie theater is. >> How long have you been there?

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 >> Like I stated previously, about three years. >> Three to four years?

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 >> Yes. >> Okay. So you live near Windsor Street on

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 >> Okay. I just want to -- >> I travel around there all the time. That's

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 the part of the city that I live in. And that is a large city. And that's -- I really don't

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 go to all the places in the city. That's where I live. I live on University over there. And

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 that's my personal opinion. And I believe bike lanes are a waste of time because nobody

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 rides a bike. Everybody drives a car. And you're cutting down road space for very minimal

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 use because nobody really uses it. >> Okay. Okay. I just wanted -- thanks a lot.

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 >> Any other comments or questions? All right. Noting none, we'll move on to the next item,

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 which is Section 2, Item A, MC24022, consider approval of the minutes from June 22nd, 2024.

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 The chair will entertain a motion. >> Motion to approve the minutes.

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 >> Is there a second? >> Second.

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 >> All right. We have a motion to approve the minutes from Commissioner Roomer and a

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 second from Commissioner Bray. All in favor, say aye.

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 >> Aye. >> The chair is also an aye. So the minutes

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 pass. All right. We will move on to Item B, MC24023. We will -- considering the item of

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 to draw lots for the mobility committee resident members' term lengths. Is there a staff presentation

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 for this? All right. So if -- can staff briefly summarize for the public what the purpose

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 of this item is and what we're doing here? >> Good morning. So this item is just to identify

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 which term each resident member will have. One will be ending August 31st, 2025, and

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 the other one August 31st, 2026. >> Thank you. Appreciate that.

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 I'll let Commissioner Bray go first. >> I received the term January 9th, 2024 to August

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 2024 to August 31st, 2026. >> So we have Commissioner Roomer is going

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 to go to 2026, and Commissioner Bray's term will end in 2025. All right. Any questions

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 or comments on this item? No? All right. Then we will move forward to Item C, MC24024, receive

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 report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation and mobility

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 project status report. >> Good morning. I'm Barry Heard. I'm here

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 for John Poster giving the report for ITS for the mobility report. Go through to the

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 first project, I-35 North. This project consists of the four projects that we have shown. The

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 work on the 074 project has just been submitted for the 100% plans. It's being updated to

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 text.specs and the same thing with CSJ081. And those projects are north of Sanger, north

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 of 455 to north of 3002. Right now, utilities are underway from the U.S. 77 portion here

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 in Denton to north of 455, the 074 project. There's quite a bit of utilities moving if

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 y'all have been up in that area. They've been working for approximately a year.

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 >> There was a question on this item from Commissioner Bray.

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 >> With that 074 segment, do you know -- are you aware if there are accommodations for

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 pedestrians and cyclists at that segment? Because there is a tiny home village that's

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 in the design for formerly homeless folks that's planning to exit on the Barthold Road.

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 >> Yes, there is accommodations for pedestrians through a shared use path, but I can provide

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 more detail on those. >> Appreciate that. Thank you.

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 right. Going on the next item. Thanks, Barry. >> Okay. On the 35E, 35W merge, this project

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 is lit, and it's only waiting authorization for the pre-construction and to begin work.

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 So that project is anticipated to begin very soon.

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 You can see on the utility report, everyone that's remaining, AT&T, Charter, DME, Frontier,

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 Level 3, everybody that is scheduled to be done towards the end of this month, which

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 for the work authorization from the district to get going. So the money is -- the project

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 is funded. No issues there. Contractor is hired. So as soon as that authorization is

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 All right. Let's go to the next one. >> It's a very big project. Almost $600 million,

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 as you all know. 35E at Mayhill. We're updating the plans again on this section to the 2024

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 26, which should be done by the end of the month. This is another project that the utilities

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 should be complete within the next 30 to 45 days. And then this project is currently scheduled

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 for the ready-to-let of November 24, currently scheduled for letting in June 25, which everything

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 35W frontage roads from roughly just north of 407 to 2449. This project $213 million project.

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 of the final plan set. As far as the right-of-way, there's 47 parcels acquired and 11 that are

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 still to be required in condemnation. Loop 288 West. This project, as you know, has been

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 around for a number of years, but it is scheduled with an RTL of April 2026. There are five

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 project, 20 parcels in total. There are five parcels in negotiation and 15 parcels in possession.

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 the right-of-way hold and FM 1171 West, the new location. Both of these are new locations.

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 - Before we get going, I love how y'all always highlight the changes. That's great. I really

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 all the environmental clearance done. So this is clearly an issue where I didn't understand

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 the order of events in the process. Can you update us a little bit about when we go get

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 core approval and when that is in the process? Because I thought we'd cleared all the environmental

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 there was further coordination that had to be done with the core that's ongoing as far

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 as the application for construction. So it is environmentally clear. TXDOT would not

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 have been able to begin the right-of-way acquisition project. There's an ongoing process with the

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 core, which is typical on these type of projects. - So, okay. So I guess I understand that in

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 the end. Let me summarize a little bit to make sure that, you know, there's been some

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 preliminary clearance. It's allowed us to move forward, but there's just sort of ongoing

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 comments and as well as what was generated from the value engineering study, revising

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 the roadway alignment to add an additional lane in each direction for a total of four

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 ensure there's room for four lanes across the entire project. And there were a couple

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 more questions that I remember. That was one. - Commissioner, did you have a question?

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 - Sure. TxDOT has been meeting with Southwire and the city, you know, to get any concerns

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 they have worked out for the connector right there at 380, and we're right now responding

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 studies that y'all are gonna, I guess, talk about later, and the mobility 2050, cogs mobility

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 lanes from and to US 380 into downtown Denton. It sounds like widening 380, but I don't think

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 that's what that means. Can you clarify what that means?

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 to make sure there's not a giant detour? - Yes, the continuation of the shared use

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 and portions where it's a sidewalk on one side and shared use on the other, but it's

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 continuation from 35 over to 380. - Are we able to get, I mean, that's the only

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 to be a lot of curiosity and questions and concerns that we'll bring forward to you and

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 to staff. Like some of the other commissioners, I'm very much interested in actually if we

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 it, on the new flow and transportation metrics that led to the expansion desire. What metrics

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 are we seeing that are saying that we want to expand from six to eight lanes? What's

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 the pressure from the newest engineering results? If we do change from six to eight lanes, there's

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 a number of impacts that I thought we sort of had nailed down. Some of them were mentioned

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 lanes and how that's going to cross. I think it would be really good for the committee

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 if staff could get us the alignments that are coming out of this.

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 very tight space to go around that curve in the open field of their property and still

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 One thing we're looking at now is for them to still have availability of parking underneath

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 potential adjustments to. However, the current alignment works around that. It's just their

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 parking was affected. We're trying to work and figure out what is needed for them to

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 answer here, and if you could tell me that's cool, but otherwise, I'd love to get some

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 roads for the future freeway further to the east, so we're looking at exactly how far

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 to build the frontage roads to maintain access to all those properties on the south side

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 and the north side, too. It's still in the works, I guess. It's still in design, but

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 that's the point we're at with it right now.

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 of the alignments, and so these will be the same pressure points as we go forward now

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 that the alignment is a little different.

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 I think, and maybe a little bit farther forward is exactly we want to maintain access for

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 all the properties, and how to get that done the best way is kind of where we're at right

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 on the other hand, I'm going to put them on the staff. No, I'm kidding. Okay, so any other

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 Okay, moving on to the next section, Bonnie Bray. We keep this in here. We're working

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 to lead in June 2025. It's currently unfunded. As soon as the funding is available, this

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 Go ahead. Forgive my ignorance. Is this a new road?

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 No, that is Airport Road. Airport Road. I got it.

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 Holland is newish to the Mobility Committee, and he has come up to speed very quickly.

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 to design what are the interim flow patterns that we're going to use when we're closing

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 up segments? Is that still on target so far? There's not really a concern. There's a lot

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 going on here, and that's going to cause you all to do a lot of work. My question is more,

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 there's so much going on, are we still on target kind of thing?

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 them to be late for work or getting home and the whole thing. That's one thing. The goal

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 I know it's not yet, but could we have a future item where, and it may just be part of the

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 normal standard, so I may be asking for something you're going to do anyway, but could the committee

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 get an overview of what the temporary traffic flow patterns are expected to be while we

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 do these upgrades? I feel bad for all these industries. There's just the one road, or

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 I guess there's a, what's the north-south segment there? Thank you, western. So there

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 is some pressure release there, but there's just so much going on that it gets real tight.

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 It's better than it was, but this still, the east-west part needs to be, has needed to

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 be upgraded for several years. This project has been around quite a while itself. So when

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 that becomes available, I'd love for the committee to be able to see some sort of summary of

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 what is coming for them. Okay, understood. All right, 1173. The 95% plan set was submitted

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 for review to the district about a month ago, and it's still under review. Once those comments

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 A with BNSF. And this project is currently moving utilities. There's a number of, let's

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 see what the right-of-way is here. I know there's a few parts of the right-of-way still

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 left. I'll get those also. And the utilities are currently moving. Is there any questions

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 track with BNSF on the realignment from 1173 up for the crossing? Yes. Because they often

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 can be a barrier to progress. And no offense to them. There's the section through the,

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 right there. Are you talking about just east of downtown? Moving the crossing? Yes. Yeah.

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 to Bartold. And that's going to be dead-ended at that curve, as I understand? That's actually

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 an easier, that's actually moved faster than the crossing to the east of downtown. We're

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 working with the BNSF on the width of the crossing, and the crossing gates are existing

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 and proposed through there. So really, the crossing at the, in the downtown area is a

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 little bit farther behind, but everything is still scheduled to be done by ready to

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 let of August 2025. Well, you know, fortunately or unfortunately, as the case may be, we don't

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 have any controllers to say over Chrome. So we'll leave that one where it is. Okay. The

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 for December 2025 and environmental clearance of the summer of '26. We're coordinating with

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 other agencies. There's a scoping meeting planned for, it says August 24th, August,

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 but I think it's actually scheduled for September 4th, that the city will be, will be at City

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 Staff. The, the, the community has seen the preliminary layout on alignment maps, but

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 I'm not sure, Councilor Holland, have you seen those maps? So if staff, could you get,

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 I mean, so we don't have Councilor Holland having to force to go back to the records.

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 fully completely made public, but the community has seen them. So. And one thing to, to, on

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 all the outer loops that we have, Rockwall, Kauffman, Denton, even Brazos, if you go to

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 through the background really fast to learn how we got here, it is really, we put everything

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 on there. I've been to a couple of meetings. But we have that, that high school meeting

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 had 12 alignments. I think we're down to two or three as I recall. Well, essentially two,

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 but there's three or four that have had, it depends on how the, how it's set up. So we're,

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 I would say roughly four, four alignments at this point still. Yeah. And that, that

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 way we bring Councilor Holland up to speed in case he has any, any questions and concerns.

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 I just want him on the same page as the rest of us who've had the opportunity to see that

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 map. The, now I know that, and I brought this up with John in the past. I know that Texas

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 Parks and Wildlife has been reviewing the Greenbelt area for, for potential, I forget

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 the name of the fund, Millennial Fund or something, expansion of the Greenbelt areas. There's,

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 there's nothing written in stone, but that is, that is in play right now. Is that having

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 any interaction with the planning? Yes. I mean, we're coordinating with all governmental

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 of different agencies that, that we're coordinating with on the, on the project. So as far as

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 there's every thing is, is being evaluated as far as the different alignments or what

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 we can do within that core area through the Greenbelt. Through the Greenbelt. The last

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 time we touched base, we were talking about potential to save the bridge because it's

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 is the option that gets through with no additional right away needed. However, to make a safer

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 facility they, there is a desire to, to get the expansion at some point, expand the right

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 away where the stacked option is not, is not the best option. However, that option will,

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 can be constructed without any additional right away from tech stock. It's basically,

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 we've got all the lanes over the other lanes as far as the actual freeway. So it comes

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 together. They go here and then really. Okay. It's, that's approximately about a mile and

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 a half across there currently. So that would be, that's right now that a constricted section

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 based on the current, I think it's like 150 something feet of right away that tech stock

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 currently owns at 428. There's a lot of moving parts there. So, and, and, and, but we're

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 working through different options and it just is going to take a lot more coordination,

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 which that's the route that we're going. And I'm presuming, go ahead. I'm presuming the

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 trade-off is, is a higher construction cost versus condon, condonation of, of property.

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 than anything else is, is, is a driving force of that. Wanting to get away from the stacked

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 Barry, can you update Councilor Holland on, on how the state interacts with the, with

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 federal departments in situations like this?

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 in the County. And so that's one, that's the, the first piece is just having a, a strong

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 working background. And then, as far as on the design side, it's just working through

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 all these different options and, and getting everything done at the lowest level possible

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 before pushing it up the, up the chain. So,

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 they, they set the rules.

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 Moving on to Elm and Locust, as I'm sure y'all are aware, the contractor south of downtown

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 has everything pretty much done except for striping, pavement markings and, and different

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 that's got a timeline at the end of the month, I believe, the end of September, I think.

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 Questions on this? I know this had a lot of a, a public heartburn. Go ahead.

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 This is likely more for, for our staff. But I've noticed that the detour route, we've

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 almost didn't notice the stop sign. But I was like, am I supposed to stop here? So yeah,

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 so some kind of clarification. Like I saw the stop sign, but I was like, maybe it's

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 in the wrong spot. So yeah, something to clarify that I did stop, but I was confused.

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 LED outline stop signs that, you know, really make it clear to the public, some other mechanism

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 to really make it clear to the public that there is a, there is a change happening. And

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 now, and this, my comment is I'm, I'm concerned about, you know, two elements of this. It's

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 a temporary thing. I know, you know, it's just a highly congested area in a, in a well

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 trafficked area. And so there's just going to be growing pains. But, so this is, these

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 questions are that, that sort of eat a north south segment along. What is it? Austin? No,

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 what is, what is just the East road from the square? Is it Austin? Yes. So that one, that's

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 going to have a lot of new traffic and it's, it's, it's heavily pedestrian, heavily cycled,

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 heavily food trucked. And, and because of the proximity of some of our entertainment

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 events, there's going to be a lot of bike ped people that are probably not fully mentally

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 competent. I'm trying to talk about drunk people walking around there from the bars.

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 I'm just going to lay the cards out there. And so that, that concerns me greatly that

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 we have appropriate traffic measures. Even, I understand they're temporary, but there,

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 there's no such thing as a temporary accident with a pedestrian. Understood. Yeah. That's

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 one thing, especially when you're doing a project and accelerated as what the work on

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 could be, you know, getting information out on your website or different things to, to

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 notify the public of, not just the, not just the construction ongoing, but the timelines

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 just like the outer loop does, but there's also a page that addresses everything. And

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 meeting. I don't think you were at this one, but I asked if we were going to have the opportunity

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 to do the striping ourselves or somehow change the design of the striping. And the answer

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 was yes, we would be able to. However, I haven't heard any of those discussions. So I'm assuming

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 it might be too late. Yeah. So I'm going to assume it's probably too late to come up with

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 a new plan or something like that. And if it is too late, I'm curious if TechStat has

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 a striping plan that we can see. I have seen when they restriped the Elm and Locust north

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 of McKinney between McKinney and University, for example, they super narrowed the shoulder.

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 And so a lot of people were biking on that. And now if you bike in that, because it's

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 so narrow, cars are a lot closer to you. Somebody almost got hit in the head with a rearview

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 mirror one time. So, so I'm just curious if they're, if they're going to change anything,

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 if we don't, if we're not changing anything, I guess. Sure. So Trevor Crane, director of

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 Capital Projects. So TechStat is going to put it back just like it was for now. So where

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 district now. Once this construction is complete, that turn back will come back to council for

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 final approval. And then the city of Denton will take over the ownership of those roads.

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 The plan is once we finish our Elm and Locust phase two, which is the project that goes

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 from McKinney north to 380, then we'll work with our transportation planning team to evaluate

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 that entire corridor. And we will have the opportunity to change kind of configurations,

403
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,360
 striping, those types of things. The only stipulation is that we, we cannot do a road

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 diet. So we have to keep the same amount of traffic on there, but it doesn't necessarily

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 mean we can't, you know, limit lanes or narrow those or anything like that. So that will,

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 that will be something that we come back and look at as a part with our transportation

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 planning team to determine what that looks like moving forward. So we will have that

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00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,840
 opportunity. All right. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Trevor. I'm going to follow up

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00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,360
 from there. I mean, to the extent that we can, I understand that bureaucratically we

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 have to have the ownership of the road to control it, but to the extent that we can

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 interoperate and, and, and reduce the number of construction events and striping events

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00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,520
 because it would be better to do, I mean, if you're finalizing the, the physical concrete

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00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:50,440
 and asphalt and then it would be lovely to strike what we can in advance rather than

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 to have a second event interfere with our fall entertainment cycle, which brings in

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00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:01,640
 all our value added tax and sales tax to the community and allows us to pay for the striping

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00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:08,200
 in the first place. It would be lovely if we could integrate that as much as possible.

417
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:15,040
 As far as the tech stock side, I'll relay that information. And I know the city will

418
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 also, once the strippers are mobilized, they'll, they'll get it done within, you know, three,

419
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,600
 three days is what I'm asking, estimating. So the main thing is, is to, to get them out

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 there as soon as it's done and I'll relay that concern. And I think tech stock's already

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00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:38,160
 aware of it for sure, but I'll, I'll just say that you mentioned it. I appreciate that.

422
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,960
 My, any other questions? I do have one more. Okay. So, um, this is not a Barry question.

423
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,520
 This is a staff question and it is on the edge of mobility as, as we drift into economic

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00:47:50,520 --> 00:48:02,040
 development. And, um, for these kinds of mobility projects that have an economic impact on businesses,

425
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:08,440
 I would love it if staff could bring to this committee or council, whichever is appropriate,

426
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:15,560
 um, some sort of, uh, plan for mitigating the pain, uh, for economic development and

427
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:22,400
 whether that's a sort of a construction insurance kind of approach or, or something like that,

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00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,440
 because it is painful during our high use months for these businesses. And it, it, it's

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00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:36,480
 potentially, uh, you know, door shutting for some of them. I've already got an item scheduled

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00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:43,000
 for September 10th to talk about that council. Excellent. You're, you're telepathic. I appreciate

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00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,760
 that. Any other questions on this item? All right. Thanks for that concludes our report

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 for the mobility portion. Thank you. All right. So moving on we'll go to, uh, item D, MC24025

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00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:14,000
 receiver porthole discussion regarding the NCTC, uh, demographic projection updates for

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00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:25,800
 regional travel demand forecast models. Good morning chair, um, and, uh, committee members,

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00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:33,400
 uh, Farhan Bhatt, deputy director of transportation services division. I'm here to present a 2050

436
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,680
 demographic forecast process that, uh, uh, North central Texas council of government

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00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,440
 is following and, uh, in that process, they are also seeking feedback from, uh, local

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00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,700
 jurisdictions and, uh, and other, uh, key players in the region. Uh, this is an extremely

439
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:58,040
 important process for, for, uh, for, uh, for jurisdictions as well as for NCTCOG, because,

440
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:05,600
 uh, this process relies on a lot of data sets that, uh, go into, uh, uh, predicting

441
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:11,720
 what the future would look like for the region. And then the, these data sets then inform

442
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:16,520
 their, uh, a modeling tool and forecasting tool that they use, which I'll talk about

443
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,560
 in later slides and, and, uh, present some scenarios, but the future would look like.

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00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,880
 So it is, uh, important for cities and counties and, and other key stakeholders to provide

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00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,480
 updated feedback for these demographic data sets, uh, so that the developments that are

446
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:43,560
 taking place now or in future, they are well represented. Uh, this, uh, presentation will

447
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:49,800
 include some information on base data. Uh, that is the data where, uh, this demographic

448
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,480
 data sets are, uh, are rooting from, and then it will also talk about county level, uh,

449
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,600
 data targets or, or targets or forecasts that are set in stone. That will not, that are,

450
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,520
 that we cannot change because they are county level targets and they are set by, uh, and

451
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:13,520
 NCTCOG's forecasting process. And then we'll talk about preliminary demographics that they

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00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,840
 have presented in the form of their preferred scenario, uh, through their modeling process

453
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,320
 and through which they are saying that, okay, this is, these are the demographics for certain

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00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,280
 years and please review these. And if you disagree or agree, just provide, uh, we could

455
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,820
 provide our feedback to NCTCOG and we have an opportunity to make those changes so that

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00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:41,880
 our transportation investments are reflected in their, in their model, uh, forecast model.

457
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:49,520
 Um, I'll also briefly discuss or present estimated traffic congestion levels in now and in future

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00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,480
 and how it is predicted or forecasted to be changed and, and how it may impact our region.

459
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 And then demand flow paths of least resistance where they have a modeling approach where

460
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:07,960
 they are seeing and they're trying to capture how, if we don't have any, uh, latency or

461
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,080
 any condition, then where people would go. And it kind of reflects how the demographics

462
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:19,600
 will change in our region. And then, uh, I'm gonna, in the end, I'll, uh, provide information

463
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,400
 on local review process that the city staff is following and how we are making sure that

464
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,000
 all our developments are updated and updated in this demographic data, uh, forecasting

465
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:36,160
 process. So we begin with base data where, which is, which is essentially the current

466
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:44,800
 data set that, uh, uh, that, uh, NCTCOG is following this data set includes, uh, demographic

467
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:52,480
 essentials like, uh, population, employment, average household size, average income, and

468
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,520
 lots of other information. In fact, employment is classified, re-classified into different

469
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:05,640
 groups based on how different land uses are changing. And then, uh, this data is extracted

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00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,880
 from many stable data sources, including census data sets, journey to work data, American

471
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:19,440
 community survey, uh, and, and, and, and other parcel level data sets. Going to the demographic

472
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:26,200
 synthesis side, there is a very well-defined process that NCTCOG follows where, uh, they

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00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,880
 take this all, uh, data from data sources, stable data sources, and then they develop

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 a how synthesis for different categories. For example, households, as I said, average

475
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:43,860
 income, they would just specify that by different, uh, geography levels. Auto ownership is one

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00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:50,440
 of the, uh, key variable that helps assess, helps us assess how the equity side of the

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00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,240
 story is when it comes to our region, and then population and employment, of course.

478
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 And this also include markets and activity capture, where once this, these data sets

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 are available, then NCTCOG goes further, uh, in, in, uh, deep dive these data sets and

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00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,960
 try to figure out where these activities are and how, uh, the transportation investments,

481
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:20,000
 uh, could weigh what, what potential scenarios are. This, this, uh, market capture basically

482
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,880
 helps the stakeholders in, including NCTCOG and cities to develop scenarios to test on

483
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,720
 the models. And then finally, scenario analysis is conducted using forecast, travel demand

484
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:37,320
 forecast models. These models are regional in nature. They are aggregated in nature,

485
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:44,800
 and, uh, the purpose is to, uh, see, uh, return on investment, uh, when it comes to transportation

486
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,880
 decision, informed decision making process, and see on aggregate level on regional scale

487
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,920
 what projects should, how the project should prioritize and which project should be prioritized,

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00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:05,040
 should be prioritized, and then also where, which jurisdiction would get these fundings.

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,820
 Talking about this, uh, uh, base data set, so this is the resolution that model sees.

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 This shows, uh, different land uses, city limits, subdivisions, parks, block groups,

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00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,240
 and these, these are just selected, uh, uh, data information that I'm showing here. But

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 this could go a little bit, uh, more in depth, and I could show you in the next slide. But,

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00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,880
 uh, just to give us an idea that these blue lines, um, that we are seeing, they are traffic

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00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:41,600
 analysis zones or traffic service zones. These zones are the resolution that are, the data

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 resolution that is fed to, uh, the model. Uh, to understand it better, we, we could

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 go, when it comes to data, we could go to the block group level and define where, what

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00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:59,720
 land uses look like. But for the model, we use traffic analysis zones, zones, and that

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00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:05,080
 is where the information is aggregated for the models and fed to the model. So what it

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00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,640
 essentially means is that all those variables that I was talking about, uh, average income

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 and population and employment, they are aggregated to traffic analysis zones. This is another

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:23,240
 example where this is the working, um, file where we could, uh, when the local jurisdictions

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00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:28,400
 are reviewing the data sets, they could review in a finer resolution at a grid level or block

503
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:39,200
 group level or census tract level. This, uh, slide shows, um, the county forecast

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00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,560
 targets for population, which means that these targets are set in stone for these years.

505
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:52,480
 2019 is the base year, and then we have 2035, 2050 horizons for, uh, for the projected

506
00:56:52,480 --> 00:57:01,880
 years. What's important is that we could see for Denton, uh, between 2019 and 2050, um,

507
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:08,480
 we have significant, uh, population increase. And, uh, so that shows that how the population

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,160
 numbers will change with the compound and will growth rate of 2.5%. And the population

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00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:21,920
 is increasing to, uh, more than 112%, uh, the percentage between 2019 and 2050. With

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00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,040
 the same, we have county forecast targets employment. Uh, we have, this is also set

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:35,040
 in stone and we have, uh, we can see that for Denton County, we have around 127% increase

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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:41,320
 with 2.7% growth rate. So that means we are more than doubling in, when it comes to employment

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00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:49,760
 numbers for our county, for Denton County. This slide presents the largest cities ranking

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:57,800
 for 2019, uh, it reflects that Denton was not in top 10 cities when it comes to population,

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:05,120
 but then by 2035 Denton appears to be coming around, uh, eighth or ninth in ranking. And

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:13,140
 then in 2050, uh, it goes to seventh, uh, most populated city in the county. The same

517
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:20,880
 goes for the employment. Employment actually goes faster. By 2035, uh, we will be, uh,

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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:30,320
 seventh. And then by 2050, we will be, uh, sixth, uh, largest city by, in terms of employment.

519
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,880
 The growth in employment between 2019 and 50 is, uh, uh, more than doubled. It's, it's,

520
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:43,080
 uh, it's growing fast. And this is not county level. This is city level, by the way. So

521
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:54,880
 when it comes to city of Denton, these slides show, um, uh, the, the change in, um, in demographics,

522
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,680
 how they are changing in terms of population density. Uh, I could just quickly move to

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:07,120
 the next slide so that I could show you how it changes. So this is 2019 and see how the,

524
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:14,320
 I wish if you could load the PowerPoint. Do we have a PowerPoint access here? No. Okay.

525
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,280
 We could just live with that. No problem. So I think this is, uh, uh, this, this reflects

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00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:24,980
 the change and, um, I could point out some areas. So for instance, if you go between

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00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:32,200
 on the west side, um, uh, where it says Denton, if you see south of that in the next slide,

528
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:39,480
 you could see how the growth is changing. Yeah, we could do that. So, yeah, so this

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:47,040
 area is, uh, chaining fast and then let's, let's see, uh, look at the growth now again

530
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,360
 in Denton. So I think when it comes to population density, uh, it shows that significant growth

531
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:58,520
 is coming. Um, it's, it's given and, and, uh, it's, even though it's a forecasting process,

532
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,320
 but I know that the forecasting process has 10, 10, 10 to 15% variability. Uh, we won't,

533
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:10,160
 uh, have much variation in that. So it's coming when it comes to employment, uh, it's again

534
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:18,520
 the same as the tables reflected. Um, I presented earlier, um, we have Denton County here and

535
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:27,160
 then look how the colors are changing again. And this is 2019 to 2035 and then, and then

536
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:32,840
 again 2050. So significant changes coming when it comes to employment and population

537
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,440
 demographics and then average household size may stay stable, but then, uh, these numbers

538
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:44,800
 are changing fast, which is, um, from transportation planning perspective, it is a concern because

539
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,600
 I'll show you in next slides how the traffic condition levels are changing here. Uh, so

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:56,160
 in terms of traffic condition, this map is showing you 2019. This is Denton area at,

541
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:04,680
 uh, 20, 20, 23 levels of congestion. Uh, and then look how traffic condition changes in

542
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:12,400
 2045 and look how it changes in 2050. So, so that is a measure of, uh, some measure

543
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:18,600
 of when, when we say that it's, uh, around $30 billion, it includes a lot of variables,

544
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:25,560
 time loss, productivity, economic benefits, environmental pollution, where the VHD increases

545
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,680
 if the cars are idle in traffic condition and a lot more. There are many variables that

546
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,480
 are captured in there, but I could, maybe we could talk about it offline. But before

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:41,880
 you continue to these models include the updates, like we talked about this morning with ITS

548
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,920
 or are they with the old configuration? Uh, no. So I'm coming to those slides, uh, in,

549
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,040
 in, uh, maybe a minute or two, it will be there and you will have, um, uh, full understanding

550
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:58,720
 of how the process would work on that. Uh, so, uh, and this, uh, these slides show paths

551
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:04,960
 of least resistance, which means that they remove all the latency or any delays in the

552
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,800
 model and every state is treated equally. And then they said, okay, where people would

553
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:15,840
 go. So when that opportunity was given, how, look how, uh, Denton's, uh, this is Denton

554
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:24,000
 County again and how it changes in the, uh, the, the, the, the access point for desired

555
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,600
 lines are showing that there is, there are, uh, uh, there is more and more desire to travel

556
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:36,900
 to, um, Denton and, and northern areas in, in comparison to Dallas, just Dallas. So to,

557
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:42,160
 to address your question on local review process or we will, do we provide update to the NCT

558
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:48,320
 COG? Yes, that is the whole, uh, purpose of this exercise is where NCT COG is reaching

559
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,840
 out to local jurisdiction and asking that, look, this is our forecast. We followed a

560
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:59,240
 certain process based on, um, a statistical synthesis and then modeling approaches, which

561
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,400
 are stable, which are calibrated, validated, and, and, but they are regional in nature.

562
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:10,640
 So they are saying, uh, this is your opportunity, cities and counties look at these numbers.

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,000
 If you disagree, if you have more developments, please improve that, update that, give us

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:21,720
 the justification for that and we will update our forecast, our, our numbers. And so, um,

565
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:27,280
 so at, at city of Denton, there's an application tool that they have provided us access to

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01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:33,240
 and we are using that tool to update these numbers. City, at city of Denton, uh, several

567
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:39,080
 departments, uh, we have formed a team, transportation services has formed a team where we have several

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01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,400
 departments working staff from several departments working together, looking at forecast. And,

569
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,000
 um, as a matter of fact, we had a couple of meetings before we have another meeting coming

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01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:55,960
 tomorrow. We will be finalizing these forecasts and we'll be updating, uh, NCT COG with these

571
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,040
 forecasts by the timeline set, which is I think August, uh, end of August. And we are

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:06,760
 on time. We are, we are just collaborating with, uh, many staff from, uh, from different

573
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:13,080
 departments on this. This in, so this process, local review process includes review of households,

574
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:19,400
 population and employment, uh, projects in terms of projects, projects, developments,

575
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,360
 uh, any environmental concerns that we have, we will get feedback from environmental services

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:30,520
 department on that. Uh, we have 2019 data. We are reviewing those datasets. We are looking

577
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:36,480
 at projections as well. And in terms of what developments we have, we will make those changes

578
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,160
 when it comes to population and employment. And, and, uh, if there are other categories

579
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:46,400
 as well, we are not in the beginning, we are not working on the TAZ level, but we are working

580
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:51,800
 on the, um, uh, finer resolution level as the data comes. As a matter of fact, we have

581
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,760
 also contacted many developers to get feedback on their developments. We have contacted medical

582
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:06,960
 facilities, uh, UNT, TW, we reached out to TW, uh, you and, and, and many other regional

583
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:14,440
 stakeholders for their feedback on how their developments will be changing. Uh, our contact

584
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,760
 points, uh, for, for the update process for departments, uh, team, departmental team that

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,580
 we have formed is, uh, Charlie Rosendahl and, uh, Greg Scott. Greg Scott in transportation

586
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:31,100
 services is leading this effort, uh, to updating the demographics and to, to steering the,

587
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:36,120
 the direction that we want to choose. Um, I'm available, also available to address any

588
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:47,560
 questions on, um, interaction with NCTCOG or, or overall process. Um, that's all.

589
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:54,240
 Questions for Dr. Budd. Hey, Farhan, thank you so much for your presentation. Um, I,

590
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,720
 I think in the news recently, I think it was somebody from NCTCOG was saying, um, that

591
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:04,240
 in the long term, they're not gonna have the funding to keep expanding highways to kind

592
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,240
 of keep up with, um, growth of automobile traffic. I'm curious if, um, the congestion

593
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,640
 maps we saw, if those traffic models assume that we stick to what we're doing now, where

594
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,640
 we prioritize, I mean, the reality is most people are driving alone in a car. There's,

595
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,540
 sometimes there's a passenger, sometimes there's not. Um, is the traffic model sort of assuming

596
01:06:22,540 --> 01:06:27,940
 that that's kind of what we continue to do is prioritize, um, single occupancy vehicle

597
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:32,680
 trips or, and we're not really investing in the more efficient people movers like transit

598
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:38,120
 biking, walking, that kind of thing. Uh, NCTCOG is highlighting this fact as well and they're

599
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:44,840
 just, um, proposing that the region as a whole start thinking about multimodal, um, uh, use

600
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:51,120
 and they're, uh, they are working with a process that is called Transit 2.0. Uh, that's, uh,

601
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,800
 been developed and where, uh, NCTCOG has highlighted their, uh, suggestions for cities and local

602
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:03,120
 jurisdictions and they are willing to work with each, uh, city, uh, to, to address any

603
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,320
 issues to prioritize those projects. If the cities bring them forward, we are a part of

604
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:15,880
 that process. I am, um, uh, representing city in, in, in that effort, but then of course

605
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,220
 we will get feedback from city leadership as well as, uh, based on our, uh, our own

606
01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:26,160
 analysis as well and then we'll make sure that we provide, uh, multimodal solutions.

607
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:34,960
 Other, other questions? Go ahead. Um, I've got a few here. Um, so I know from kind of

608
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,800
 reading around that there are, there are at least quite a few studies that suggest that

609
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:46,320
 historically traffic projection studies have been quite wrong and have a tendency to overestimate,

610
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:52,240
 uh, traffic, especially like a decade or two out into the future. Uh, do we know anything

611
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:58,480
 about like, have adjustments been made to the model on account of those studies or,

612
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,520
 um, like, do we know how accurate the model that we're working with tends to be? So what

613
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:08,960
 happens is that these aggregate models, they are calibrated and validated and then there's

614
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:15,960
 a Delphi, uh, review panels, uh, which, uh, assess the models, be it FT, uh, FDA for multimodal

615
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:25,100
 use and FHWA for auto use. And, uh, so on, on arterial level, these models are well calibrated.

616
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,960
 And when I say well calibrated, that means that there are standards specified by FHWA

617
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,920
 where they have, for freeways, for example, the criteria is much stricter where they say

618
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:42,000
 5%. Not, uh, the volumes, uh, differences should not be more than 5%. For arterials,

619
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:47,640
 it ranges between 5 to 10%. So they are well calibrated and, and, uh, validated. Now, since

620
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,800
 the models are regional in nature, they are aggregated in nature. So it often, uh, it

621
01:08:53,800 --> 01:09:00,360
 is misinterpreted because if we try to get local decisions from those models, that is

622
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:05,160
 a flawed approach because we need to have, use micro simulations for that. These models

623
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:10,120
 are geared for regional decisions, for regional investments. So I think that's how they should

624
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:19,720
 be used. Um, so how would, how would, for example, uh, DCTA is planning to invest into

625
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:25,200
 the A train, make it faster, make it 15 minute frequency. How would, for example, that factor

626
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:32,000
 in to the model? And then if DCTA committed to kind of toss out a ridiculous number here,

627
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,640
 like quintuple bus service in the city of Denton, so that it was also much easier to

628
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,960
 get to the train, would that factor into the model? Yes. So that's where the local process

629
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:46,480
 is where NCTCOG is doing a really good job of reaching out to cities and acknowledging

630
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:53,200
 the fact that we are, this is a regional, uh, in a regional analytical tool, the model,

631
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,920
 the aggregate model. So they are reaching out at, look, we have done our, our job of

632
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:03,760
 estimating these forecasts, but it's now it's your opportunity to make those updates for

633
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,040
 DCTA would be part of that process as well. And I know they are because they'd be looking

634
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:13,680
 at these forecasts. So, um, there will be an opportunity for DCTA to look at their plans,

635
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:19,440
 future plans and see if their markets are captured. And if they are not, uh, this will

636
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:25,680
 be a good opportunity for DCTA, uh, to capture those markets in the data sets. The same goal

637
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:31,280
 for us, we are looking at our developments where the numbers are changing in terms of

638
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:38,520
 population and employment, and we are making sure that we get as close as possible. Um,

639
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:44,960
 and then finally, uh, there's projections on the costs of congestion. Um, but I remember

640
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:51,280
 uh, watching last meeting of this body, uh, Commissioner Rumore, uh, pointed out that

641
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:58,360
 health and safety, uh, and like property damage impacts of vehicle travel are higher for the

642
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:05,240
 city of Denton than congestion related impacts are, I believe. Um, is there similar, uh,

643
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:10,640
 projections for like, if we were to fix congestion via, you know, adding more lanes, what would

644
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:17,520
 that do to property damage and to like human life costs? I think adding more lanes is one

645
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:22,160
 solution, but we have to go multimodal. I think that's the direction, but it doesn't

646
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,920
 have to be overnight, but it is the direction that as a city we have to follow. We have

647
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:34,200
 to look at multimodal options and really expand on, on this, uh, aspect of planning side and

648
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:40,640
 other, uh, approaches that look, these condition levels again are aggregate, regional, and

649
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:46,280
 for any, uh, city specific analysis, we'll have to use micro simulation and then get

650
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:53,440
 those, uh, for, for city facilities. These, uh, reflect the, they don't be this red color

651
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:58,640
 that we are seeing here is not reflecting somebody traveling from Argyle to Denton,

652
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:04,160
 which is sort of local trip. Um, but it is reflecting what's going on between Dallas

653
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:12,160
 and Denton, uh, or, or, or of that nature. So for any local analysis, we need a separate

654
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:17,720
 set of models and they are called micro simulation models or in some cases mesoscopic models

655
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,640
 as well. We could, we could, we could develop those, but I think there are many other ways

656
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:30,400
 we could look into those through our many studies that are coming. Thank you. Councilor

657
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:38,040
 Holney, any questions? Um, I, I have a ton and this is, um, but I'll, I'll try to keep

658
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:45,480
 myself under control. Um, partly because Farhan, you and I, we've talked many times, modeling

659
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:53,320
 is what I did for a living. Um, so, um, and I will try to not be too academic about it,

660
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,160
 but I think this is the problem we're dealing with, with a wonk, a wonk and a wonk on the,

661
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:03,760
 on the mobility committee. Um, so, uh, forgive me if I do drift into the weeds a little bit.

662
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,520
 Uh, I'll try to rein myself in. Um, a lot of the questions that I think you heard so

663
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:20,880
 far were scenario modeling. Um, and so I guess the question I have is how, how fast

664
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,400
 are these models calculated once they have, they start from the, from the base data or

665
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,640
 even the modified base data with the local interactions. How, how quickly does it take

666
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,720
 to calculate a model? Is it a day, a week, two months? You know, how, how, how, how fast

667
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:42,480
 can we get new, new projections? So there are different levels. Four step models usually

668
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:47,760
 are faster, but these models are activity based to a gear towards activity based, the

669
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:53,720
 one NCT gov is using, uh, or, or semi activity based, I would say not fully. So six days

670
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:59,080
 for one, uh, I think five to six days. Uh, that's what my understanding is. And then,

671
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:05,160
 uh, but there are versions of models which are more direct, uh, very quick ones. I have

672
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:10,200
 uh, run models that would take only six to eight hours. And then I've dealt with models

673
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:15,440
 that would take 20 days as well. Of course, processing technology also goes with that.

674
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:20,160
 Right. No, no, I understand. And you know, um, there, there's opportunities to work with

675
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:27,640
 our, our, uh, university partners to, to speed that up. Um, the reason I asked those questions

676
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:32,080
 is, and you alluded to yourself when you start talking about multiscale and measles scale,

677
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:42,400
 um, modeling is the scenario modeling is less, less like for instance, on the DCTA question,

678
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:50,440
 it goes to us designing policy. If we do X, then the effect on the model is Y and that's

679
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:56,160
 going to help us predict, you know, make a recommendation to council that then councilor

680
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:01,160
 Holland and I vote on at that level, uh, in terms of recommendations and, you know, in,

681
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:09,720
 in terms of your future projections. So it, it's helpful if we can say, um, I, on these

682
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:17,740
 coarse grained models, um, as we drill down, it's, it's, it's helpful if we can do some

683
01:15:17,740 --> 01:15:21,280
 of these scenario modeling. So I guess one of my question in order to rein myself in

684
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:31,560
 is, um, would it be helpful if we could package some of our scenario questions to you in advance?

685
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:37,720
 Would that be helpful to get those to you so we could get them in, in, or, I mean, it's

686
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:42,440
 sometimes difficult for us to guess what our questions will be, but is, is that going to

687
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:47,440
 be something effective or we could get questions to you that would help you incorporate the,

688
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:52,360
 the, the microscale and the mesoscale level into a composite model so we can do that sort

689
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,480
 of scenario modeling? If you're specifically talking about a train, then it, it will be

690
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:03,160
 an aggregate model because it's, it's, uh, uh, it's a stretch of train that goes multi-city

691
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:11,520
 and, uh, so we could, uh, request NCT Cog to, to run some of those scenarios. We don't

692
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:17,920
 have to go microscopic or mesoscopic unless we want to identify corridors. We want to

693
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:23,720
 identify some parallel routes or feeder buses, all those, uh, but if we are just looking

694
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:29,680
 at what would be the outcome if we had a station here or a removal station there, then we could

695
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:34,960
 use NCT Cog's model and benefit from, uh, what's existing there. We don't have to reinvent

696
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,720
 the wheel. Okay. And part of the reason I ask is even on the large scale, as we do these

697
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:45,980
 regional approaches, there are some, this is essentially a, a graph theory analysis

698
01:16:45,980 --> 01:16:51,080
 with nodes and edges. And so we, if we're putting barriers on the edges, I'm getting

699
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,800
 real wonky, I'm sorry, but if we're getting, if we're putting barriers on the edges, like

700
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:00,800
 if, go, to go back to this, this morning, if we put, if we expand the green belt into

701
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,880
 a large national park, that puts a, that, that changes the edge weights. So now the nodes

702
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,880
 don't connect anymore and you will route a path around it. All right. So, um, the same

703
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:18,480
 as I'm watching the projection curves on this particular map, as you change from 2019, it's,

704
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:23,320
 it's clear that they're just projecting, you go, you know, nothing's in the way of you

705
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:30,200
 going and you're going to go at highway speeds, 60 to 80 miles an hour. And that doesn't help

706
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:36,120
 us do destination planning or scenario planning or, or decide where we put a thing or how

707
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:43,720
 we interact. And, and it doesn't help us do a large scale development modeling. We're

708
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:49,440
 like, okay, if we approve an MPC in this area, how's that going? None of that is available

709
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:54,640
 at, at this level. So I guess my question to you is, without spending the next 30 minutes

710
01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:01,080
 discussing this, um, cause we have two more items. Um, how, what kind of questions and

711
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:07,920
 inputs do you need from this committee and from council to help you potentially address

712
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:13,080
 those kinds of questions? On the development level, they are addressed by TIAs. Typically

713
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,320
 in the development review process, there is a TIA that the developers have to follow.

714
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,060
 And if there are small multi-use development or any other development, they would be covered

715
01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:26,880
 in that. So we don't need to run these aggregate model for those. They are, um, this micro

716
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:31,300
 level models or, or assimilation that they run and they provide us some projections or

717
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:36,360
 numbers that how the level of service will on the facility will change. And then, uh,

718
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,640
 the whole process goes with that. So there is a process in place that city follows for

719
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:46,560
 these developments. So that on the feedback, uh, what we are planning to do is we'll just

720
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:55,600
 have this ready, these, this forecast, um, updated. And, uh, if, um, uh, if necessary,

721
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:03,000
 we can, um, present the final update in the next, uh, if, if it is necessary, I believe

722
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:08,560
 that it's the simplest process because we are incorporating the feedback. Um, uh, we

723
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:16,680
 will be provided to, um, entity called, but, uh, we are open to any other ways, um, Cassie

724
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:22,240
 or you, uh, this committee decides staff is here to assist. Okay. Well, I will rein myself

725
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:28,520
 in. Do we have any other questions on this item? Cassie, I was just going to say, um,

726
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:33,200
 I think Farhan already presented that we have very limited time to provide this information

727
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,800
 back, but if you have feedback that you'd like us to incorporate, I think we could get

728
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:43,280
 with him offline. Um, so we can, uh, incorporate that. All right. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll

729
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:48,120
 leave that one there and we'll, and I encourage any of you, if you have questions, please

730
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:54,520
 get those to staff so that they can incorporate those as rapidly as possible. Uh, all right.

731
01:19:54,520 --> 01:20:02,120
 Uh, with that, we will move on to, we finished IMD. We're going to move on to item E MC two

732
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:07,280
 four zero two six, receive report and hold discussion regarding the downtown parking

733
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:22,960
 study summary findings. Hi, thank you for having me. I'm Natalie Doherty with Farron

734
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,120
 peers and then I'm joined by my colleague, Josh Peterman, um, who will be able to also

735
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,960
 answer questions at the end of the presentation. So I'll be speaking to a study we conducted

736
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:38,960
 to evaluate parking demand and recommend parking management strategies in the downtown area.

737
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:45,200
 So to begin with, we completed a review of, um, big data in order to determine a subset

738
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:51,320
 of public parking facilities in the downtown area to complete a detailed parking survey.

739
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:57,080
 This data revealed important parking demand characteristics such as the time of day, um,

740
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:02,560
 the day of the week that parking demand is busiest. Um, and we also got to identify some

741
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:08,300
 of the demographic information of visitors. So this data showed us that most trip making

742
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:13,360
 downtown occurs in the central and southern portion of the downtown area around the square.

743
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:18,240
 We also found that most trips downtown are for leisure, so they're not tied to a trip

744
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:24,220
 to or from home or from work. Um, a good portion of visitors downtown are high school and university

745
01:21:24,220 --> 01:21:38,280
 age groups. What is a good portion? Um, I think roughly 30 to 40% of visitors. Um, we

746
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:43,560
 also found that Fridays and Saturdays have the highest demand for parking downtown. And

747
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:48,240
 so this big data also helped us to inform some of the parking recommendations that I'll

748
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:54,400
 share towards the end of the presentation. So we mapped an inventory to public parking

749
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:59,000
 facilities, uh, in the downtown study area, which was defined as a couple block radius

750
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,960
 of the Denton square and included the downtown transit center and Quaker town park. Most

751
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:11,440
 public parking, um, downtown is free. So you have, um, on street parking closest to the

752
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:17,840
 Denton square that is time restricted to two hours during weekdays, during business hours.

753
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,720
 That's shown in the dark blue area on street. Uh, and then you have other on street parking

754
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,840
 that is free and unrestricted, um, as you get further south and east, and then the north

755
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,640
 side of Quaker town park. Uh, we also have, uh, free public parking in lots in orange

756
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:38,100
 that are no time restrictions, no payment available. Uh, and then you also have some

757
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:44,460
 smaller lots closer to the square, um, shown in that dark green color that are paid lots.

758
01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:47,920
 And then that light green area represents government lots that are available to the

759
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:56,360
 public outside of typical business hours. So we found that there were approximately

760
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:02,320
 2700 public parking spaces in the downtown study area. Um, that's composed of roughly

761
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:08,800
 1200 on street spaces and 1500 off street spaces. In our study, we were able to connect

762
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:13,680
 a detailed survey of roughly 40% of that total public parking. Uh, that is a pretty good

763
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:20,280
 represent representative sample of all of the parking that is downtown. Um, again, no

764
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:29,960
 on street parking is paid in the downtown area. Uh, so what we're looking at is the

765
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,800
 weekday parking demand or parking utilization. Um, this was conducted in October of 2023

766
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,680
 on a Thursday. So what parking demand or parking utilization is, is just the share of parking

767
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:46,280
 spaces that has a vehicle parked in it during that time period. Um, so we have a pretty

768
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:51,720
 standard distribution of parking demand across a typical day. So we have a peak that is between

769
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:59,080
 seven and eight PM. Um, and the second peak that is around 12 to one PM, which is typical

770
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:06,120
 dining hours. Um, we have sufficient public parking available downtown for the demand.

771
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:14,320
 Typically public parking, uh, is, is too much. Sorry, let me restate that. Typically when

772
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,120
 we see parking utilization between 85 and 90%, that's when we think that there is not

773
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,820
 enough supply available for the demand because it makes it difficult for people to be able

774
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:28,760
 to find a space and they need to kind of circulate around. So we're seeing on a weekday, um,

775
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:35,400
 a peak at 65%. Um, interestingly, we also see that at nine PM, the parking demand is

776
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:39,960
 higher than we see at 11 AM. Um, so that's a pretty good indicator that you have a lot

777
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:46,280
 of entertainment downtown. Um, it's a little bit more lively on a weekday. Uh, we also

778
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:51,520
 collected weekend parking demand. Um, so this was for a Saturday in October and we collected

779
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:57,440
 that from 8 AM to 12 AM. So we have a similar distribution of parking demand as we saw on

780
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:02,520
 a weekday. Um, but you can see that, uh, the parking demand begins a little bit later in

781
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,320
 the day, starting at 10 AM. Uh, and we have a higher peak from eight to nine PM, close

782
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:13,560
 to 80% utilization, uh, still sufficient parking supply for the demand on what we expect to

783
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:23,400
 be the busiest day of the week. So what both of these charts don't show you is the actual

784
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,760
 distribution of parking demand across the public parking facilities. So I'll go ahead

785
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:33,400
 and share that next with you. So we'll be looking at, um, kind of the peak time of the

786
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:39,320
 week, which is what we found to be 8 PM on a Saturday. So here you can see for the on

787
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:44,040
 street spaces that we have a detailed survey available that closest to the square, you

788
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,840
 have a really high rates of parking utilization and further away you go from the square, you

789
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:55,800
 see that demand go down a little bit. Um, did you have a question for that slide?

790
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,960
 Go ahead. Sorry. Would you like us to, um, wait until the end and then come back to the

791
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:05,080
 slides or sort of ask throughout? You're welcome to ask. Okay. Um, on this one, I noticed only

792
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:11,440
 some streets were counted. Why is that? Yeah. So we accounted on street parking and off

793
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:17,840
 street parking for 40% of the total parking available. So we were able to collect on 12

794
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,360
 street segments. Uh, so we wanted to really take a look at what the highest parking demand,

795
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,240
 the highest activity areas are, which were closest to the square and, and see how that

796
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:32,880
 changes as you go further out. Um, so yes, we are missing some of the parking that's

797
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:42,920
 available, uh, further south and east. Thank you. Back a couple of slides. Um, number,

798
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:51,800
 number four, I think the, the two hour restriction says who. Yeah. So, uh, we've heard that there's

799
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:57,840
 not a lot of enforcement happening in the downtown area. Yeah. There is signage out

800
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:05,320
 there that does specify the time restrictions. Okay. Okay. But I mean, if I know that everybody

801
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:11,560
 knows that you park your car at eight 39 o'clock when you get to work and you crank it up again

802
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:18,480
 at five o'clock when you get off, um, and it's especially annoying. I find it particularly

803
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:26,480
 annoying. The, the backend parking on, uh, East Hickory street. Um, I don't see that

804
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:32,360
 there's any, that there's any enforcement. Yeah. Do you know, do you know of any enforcement?

805
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,880
 Uh, no, I'm not aware of enforcement happening too regularly. Um, we're also helping on the

806
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:43,200
 citywide parking, uh, project as well. Um, so that's one of the kind of key pieces that

807
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,640
 we're going to be looking into for recommendations on how to do enforcement without needing,

808
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:52,160
 um, you know, staff to be able to be doing that, um, and a way to actually track the

809
01:27:52,160 --> 01:28:00,520
 citations and follow up with parking fees. Um, returning to the current slide, I noticed

810
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:06,520
 that there seems to be a segment or perhaps an intersection there at Cedar and McKinney

811
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:13,360
 that indicates 140% utilization. I'm curious how, what that number means. Yeah. So there's

812
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,800
 not too many spaces on streets. So that number does sound a little bit higher as a percentage,

813
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,800
 but, um, the way that the parking is striped on those streets is there are spaces that

814
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,800
 a vehicle can park, but they're not a designated or striped parking space. So there is over

815
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,440
 parking that's occurring downtown. Um, but from what it looks like when we were out there

816
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:39,720
 and from photos, um, people aren't blocking the actual through way on the streets. They

817
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,900
 are able to kind of tuck themselves over on the side. So that would be like a loading

818
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:52,720
 area or parking closer to an intersection than is allowed. Yeah. So near an intersection,

819
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,440
 usually parking is not allowed within, you know, 40 or 50 feet. And so that's where a

820
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:06,920
 parking space isn't striped, but a car can still fit. I think we're going to go ahead.

821
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,880
 Um, so this is showing the, um, set of off street parking lots that we also collected

822
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:18,360
 detailed survey data. Uh, and so we have a mix of paid parking lots and, um, no restrictions

823
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:23,320
 on parking. And then we also have a government lot or number seven is, uh, so you can see

824
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:28,520
 that the highest, uh, parking utilization is on the free lots that are closest to the

825
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:34,320
 Denton square followed by the smaller, uh, paid parking lots near the square. And then

826
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:40,040
 as you go further out, the parking utilization is, is much lower. Um, this is what we can

827
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,120
 expect, right? So people want to be able to park closer to where their destination is

828
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:50,920
 located. Um, and what we also found from speaking with the public and, and from stakeholder conversations

829
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:56,560
 is that, uh, some of the parking is not well signed. Uh, so it can be a little bit difficult

830
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:02,120
 for visitors to identify what is a private lot versus a public versus a paid. So, uh,

831
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,040
 if you know, there are certain lots near the square that you've always parked at, you're

832
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:10,080
 likely to want to stay there rather than tracking out a little bit further. Um, and then also

833
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:14,760
 considering the pedestrian environment, uh, if you're parked at lot seven, you're going

834
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:19,280
 to have to walk across McKinney street, likely to get to your destination. So, uh, that might

835
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,800
 be a barrier for some people when they're, they're choosing their parking location.

836
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:29,400
 Before we continue, uh, I'm glad count, uh, first your break, uh, had her question. Um,

837
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:39,480
 it was, it was my exact same question for the gravel lot there at 174%. Um, it's unstriped,

838
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:50,960
 it's barely, uh, curbed. So how many official spots are, are, do we know? I mean, I, this,

839
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,880
 this, you know, this is, this is probably too detailed a question for the, the, the

840
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:04,920
 level of, of this report, but, uh, it's, it's a general through line of, it's often unclear

841
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:10,400
 actually how many spots are in a given location. We saw it on the previous slide was street.

842
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:15,480
 We see it here with the, with the gravel lot. Uh, and, and so in order to us have a better

843
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:21,840
 understanding it, it's probably relevant how many spots we think we should be in a given

844
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:28,680
 location. And, and that helps us understand this need for over parking that we see. And

845
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:33,400
 so, I mean, we, I understand the general concept that all the cars around the trees and they're

846
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:39,320
 everywhere in this lot. And, and so it's just sort of a, you know, a winner take all kind

847
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:47,800
 of free for all in that lot. Um, uh, but it would be useful, I think, to understand what

848
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:54,320
 the city thinks that lot should be. I think we had that information in the actual report

849
01:31:54,320 --> 01:32:01,320
 that we can provide. Okay. So we had a count firm that, uh, had a flyover to collect data

850
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:06,960
 through aerial imagery of the number of spaces in the various lots and on street. Um, so

851
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:13,280
 for that lot, they estimated about 130 spaces available. Um, I would say that there is some

852
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:18,920
 room for error within their, you know, count. Um, and it would be probably feasible to actually

853
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:23,640
 do a parking lot layout to see how many more spaces that you could fit. Uh, but yeah, this

854
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,520
 percentage is a little bit skewed thinking about how many parking spaces we think that

855
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:34,480
 it can accommodate. And then, um, also just what you've noted that there is a lot of chaos,

856
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:42,840
 I guess, in that parking lot. Okay. So I noted that, you know, we have detailed parking survey

857
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:48,920
 data for about 40% of, um, the parking facilities downtown, but because we were able to collect

858
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:55,040
 those videos and images, um, from an aerial view, we were also able to kind of assess,

859
01:32:55,040 --> 01:33:03,680
 um, at a broad level in kind of quarter increments, 25%, 50%, 75% full, um, of all of the public

860
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:09,360
 parking or most of it in the downtown area. Um, so those photos were available for, um,

861
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:15,620
 the Saturday evening from roughly 6 to 8 PM. And looking at that in total, it does, uh,

862
01:33:15,620 --> 01:33:20,040
 kind of mimic what we saw with the detailed parking survey. So spaces that are closer

863
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:25,880
 to the square are more heavily parked than, um, areas further out. Uh, but when we looked

864
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:32,560
 at this kind of qualitatively, we do see overall parking demand of roughly 60% across all of

865
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:37,540
 the facilities. And so that number is lower than what we saw when we, um, had that subset

866
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:42,600
 of parking that we calculated. So the peak on Saturday with, with those facilities was

867
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,660
 about 80%. Uh, so our estimates are a little bit on the conservative side.

868
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:56,000
 Go ahead. Well, and, and, and before, before you do, um, we have about 20 minutes left

869
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,720
 in the meeting. Um, we, we're going to have a lot of questions. So a question I have for

870
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:09,400
 Cassie is, um, is it better to take lots of questions now on this item and maybe table

871
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:14,980
 the next capital projects item or some of the memorandum items, or, um, is it better

872
01:34:14,980 --> 01:34:20,680
 to continue on in our schedule and, and streamline our questions knowing that you're going to

873
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:27,080
 get the questions somehow eventually anyway. So the capital improvement program is on a

874
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:33,040
 deadline so we have, you know, coming up council approval scheduled for September 17th. So

875
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:38,240
 my hope was to get your feedback on the capital projects that we've proposed for 25 today

876
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:44,080
 to be able to incorporate any, any feedback for council approval. But if you're, if you

877
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:49,400
 feel it's more important to talk through the downtown parking study now we can table it,

878
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:57,400
 but we'll, we'll have to bring it back after council adoption. Okay. Um, then I'm, I'm

879
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,200
 gonna normally I wouldn't ask this, but I'm going to ask in the interest of time that

880
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:05,320
 we let her finish her presentation, write it, write down your questions and then that'll

881
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:11,960
 give us an opportunity if we can't get to them, um, to just send those emails, uh, those

882
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,800
 around and staff can send them to all of us and, and we can do the feedback that way.

883
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:25,360
 So just in order to save some time to please continue, maybe go a little bit faster through

884
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:30,180
 some of these slides. So I was just going to kind of show you how parking demand varies

885
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:34,920
 across that Saturday evening between six to eight PM. So the, this is the, the government

886
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:39,680
 lot that's on the north side of town, um, north of McKinney street. So you can see that

887
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,880
 in the evening, although it's available to the public and it's free, there's not a lot

888
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:47,520
 of people that are parking there. Um, the lot just south of McKinney street is much

889
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,840
 more heavily utilized. So maybe that's, you know, distance, but also thinking about the

890
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:57,160
 walking environment and need to cross. Um, so here you can see around the square, a lot

891
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:03,480
 of the parking is, um, is full. Um, here's where we have to paid parking lots and a free

892
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:10,400
 parking lot that shares a driveway and access with one of the paid lots. So, um, what maybe

893
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,400
 isn't great for the visitor experience is that if you get there a little bit later,

894
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,680
 when the public parking side of the lot is full, you're going to end up in this paid

895
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:24,160
 section of the lot. And so one of our recommendations is to think about, um, you know, separate

896
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:28,840
 driveway access and good signage to make it clear that if you're on the paid side, you

897
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,600
 know, you should be paying, but also we should be thinking about incentives for people to

898
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:37,940
 want to pay for parking. Um, so one way to kind of help with redistributing parking is

899
01:36:37,940 --> 01:36:43,300
 to have more restrictions and payment options closer to the high activity area and the free

900
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:49,000
 parking further out so that you do see, um, you know, the parking lots that are further

901
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:53,240
 out more full and people aren't trying to circulate quite heavily within this area to

902
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:59,080
 find a space. Um, so here's an example, one of the smaller lots that's paid, um, much

903
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:05,400
 lower utilization than what we saw on the other side around this time. And then here's

904
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,700
 on that west side. So, um, the county historical park, you know, people might be parking there

905
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:13,560
 for the park itself, but people know this is available to the public. The community

906
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:18,280
 market happens there. Um, the lot just across the street is, is not well signed to be public

907
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:24,360
 and you can see that no one is really parking in that space. So quickly, we also looked

908
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:29,320
 at, um, parking turnover. So that's how long vehicles are saying parked in a space before

909
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:34,080
 they are switching out and other vehicles are turning into that space. Uh, so we found

910
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:41,520
 that most, um, most people are staying, uh, in downtown for roughly two hours or under,

911
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,560
 uh, which is a really good sign of an active downtown. So you're getting pretty good turnover

912
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:51,100
 in that area. Um, we also saw that people were saying, uh, longer on the weekend than

913
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:56,200
 they are on the weekday. Um, and also that, um, people are staying longer in parking lots

914
01:37:56,200 --> 01:38:01,560
 than they are on street, which we can expect you're more willing to, uh, park in a parking

915
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:08,400
 lot if you're going to be walking to more spaces. We also looked at future parking demand.

916
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:13,320
 So we were aware of four different developments that were approved in the study area. So there

917
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:19,040
 are three multifamily housing developments and one restaurant or brewery. So we estimated

918
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,440
 parking demand for those developments and, and, um, added that onto what the existing

919
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:29,160
 parking demand is. And we still found that there is a sufficient supply of parking in

920
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,880
 this area. Um, but we would recommend though, in the future, as there's more development

921
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:38,920
 occurring downtown is to think about some transportation demand management strategies.

922
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:44,000
 Um, so thinking about shared parking, so parking facilities that are available to multiple different

923
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:48,960
 uses, um, thinking about supporting other transportation modes, things like bicycle

924
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:54,680
 parking or providing transit passes to help reduce that demand, um, or some other strategies

925
01:38:54,680 --> 01:39:00,000
 like that. Um, maybe you can have a parking mitigation fee that developers, um, pay the

926
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:08,960
 city so that the city can help with different improvements. Um, sorry, I might have skipped

927
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,960
 a side. So we conducted public engagement last fall. So we had a public, uh, pop-up

928
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:19,320
 event at a community market and we also had, um, an online survey. And so this feedback

929
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:24,560
 was folded into some of the recommended, um, strategies that we have in our toolbox. We

930
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:29,680
 also conducted, um, through a survey we found, uh, visitor travel behavior and preferences.

931
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:35,560
 So one of the, um, interesting findings from that survey is that most people over 80% are

932
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,580
 willing to walk more than three minutes to their destination. Um, and over half are willing

933
01:39:39,580 --> 01:39:44,000
 to walk more than five minutes to their destination. So that's a good indicator that, you know,

934
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:48,560
 people are willing to, uh, be a little bit further from their, um, their destination

935
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:53,080
 if we're able to kind of support that with, uh, nice walking facilities and things like

936
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:59,400
 that. So we also conducted a stakeholder workshop where we, uh, presented our findings and gathered

937
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:04,160
 feedback on the draft recommendations and that occurred over the spring. Um, participants

938
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:10,320
 identified, um, a need for signage, downtown for parking, but also a consolidation of parking

939
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:15,160
 facilities to make it easier for visitors, especially new time visitors to find a parking

940
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,360
 space, uh, because as you saw, there were quite a few different lots around the downtown

941
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:24,720
 area. Um, so if you don't find a space in one, you're gonna have to be looking at different

942
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:32,000
 ones to find a space. So other recommendations that came from the stakeholder workshop, um,

943
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,600
 were to help encourage higher turnover in the, uh, kind of central core around the Denton

944
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:41,920
 Square. So thinking about, um, spaces like 15-minute parking, um, or shorter time periods

945
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:48,320
 like that. So just to recap, we have about 2,700 public parking spaces and there is a

946
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:55,560
 sufficient, uh, parking supply for the existing demand and with the approved developments.

947
01:40:55,560 --> 01:41:01,240
 So next I'm going to be sharing about our, uh, parking management toolbox. So, um, this

948
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:08,000
 toolbox is intended to be used whether in isolation for specific, uh, tools or, uh,

949
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,880
 using a couple different ones to target specific parking concerns that happen today or to,

950
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:17,320
 um, start thinking about how to improve the, the visitor parking experience downtown in

951
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:22,320
 the future as you see more growth. So we've organized this toolbox into near-term, midterm

952
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:28,440
 and long-term strategies. Um, so the near-term is looking at a one to three-year time horizon.

953
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:35,240
 Midterm is three to five-year and then long-term is five-year plus. And so, um, the first strategy

954
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:39,920
 here is increase and enhance static signage, which I've talked briefly about. Um, another

955
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:45,480
 is to implement time limits and restrictions. Um, so that's to help with distributing parking

956
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:50,520
 demand across facilities. The next one is assigning parking locations. So thinking about

957
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:56,480
 specific spaces that are designated for employees or for other uses of the curb, like commercial

958
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:02,720
 loading or food trucks. Um, some of the other ones include, um, enforcing parking, accommodating

959
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:08,420
 pickup and drop-off from TNCs, uh, developing a schedule to actually track and monitor the

960
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:13,400
 effectiveness of the different parking strategies that are being implemented. Um, and then also

961
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:19,800
 updating parking standards. Um, so specifically with parking standards, we're thinking about,

962
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:25,560
 um, wanting to kind of revisit the parking minimums that developers have when building

963
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:29,800
 in the downtown area. Um, and specifically residential uses is a good one to kind of

964
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:35,200
 target for those changes. So thinking about transportation demand management and reducing

965
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:43,680
 that parking demand. So looking at the midterm strategies. So the first one is coordinating

966
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:50,200
 valet options. Um, the next two are related to providing, uh, non-vehicle parking spaces

967
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:55,200
 and incentivizing, you know, bicycle transit, walking modes through urban design and traffic

968
01:42:55,200 --> 01:43:01,480
 calming. Um, another is to think about restriping, um, spaces to kind of maximize the number

969
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:07,080
 of spaces that you have on street. Uh, another is to increase the use of shared parking. Uh,

970
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,240
 so when you have complimentary uses, thinking about, um, the banks and the churches that

971
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:16,680
 are downtown, they have specific windows where there is, um, a lot of parking demand and

972
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:21,760
 off, out, off hours, you could probably fill that parking with other, other spaces. So

973
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:26,000
 there's a lot of private parking downtown for specific businesses and that's kind of

974
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:32,040
 one, um, way to, to improve the efficiency of the space that you're using for parking.

975
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:36,280
 And then the last is to think about charging for parking. So these are in the midterm area

976
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:40,920
 just because they, like you required more coordination, they require some technology

977
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:46,960
 or actually designing and constructing, uh, new facilities. And then finally for the long

978
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:52,680
 term strategies, um, so these ones also require more time because there's agency coordination

979
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:58,720
 involved. Um, there's certain strategies that, uh, you know, creating a uniform parking experience

980
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:03,760
 across facilities requires a lot of effort to think about applying technology and materials

981
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:10,640
 at a city wide scale. So the first is adding off street parking. Um, so this one can be

982
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:15,720
 valuable, um, when thinking about wanting to repurpose space on the street for different

983
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:23,040
 curb uses. So thinking about commercial loading, um, parklets, uh, bike parking or other active

984
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:27,400
 uses on the street, um, it can be helpful to move some of that street parking, um, off

985
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:33,000
 street. And then, um, it's not necessarily needed right now to have an off more off street

986
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:39,520
 parking, um, but thinking about, about the future, then that could be a good, uh, strategy.

987
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:44,320
 Also providing intelligence signage. So that will help visitors be able to navigate to

988
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,280
 where within the parking facilities are there actually available spots for me. So that helps

989
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:53,160
 with efficiency and the visitor experience. Um, and then the third one, creating a uniform

990
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:58,200
 parking experience for all publicly available parking, um, that could be a lot of different

991
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:02,680
 strategies. So one is thinking about one app that can be used to identify all of the parking.

992
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:08,360
 Um, that same app can be used for all of the payments. You could have a similar, you know,

993
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:13,600
 signage and standard, uh, information materials to help with that. I mean, you would also

994
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:19,680
 think about, um, pulling in some of that private parking into the, the public parking space.

995
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,700
 And so that could be beneficial for, for private developments as well, if they're getting kind

996
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:31,360
 of the funding and support for parking from, from the city. So, um, I wanted to speak a

997
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:35,960
 little bit more about off street parking. So this was something that the public raised

998
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,200
 in the public workshop and online that they would like to have additional parking when

999
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:44,120
 there's specific events that are happening downtown specifically because a lot of that

1000
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:48,640
 parking that's available on the square usually gets closed for those events. Um, and then

1001
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:55,840
 talking with the stakeholders and the workshop, um, thinking about how there are so many different

1002
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:01,880
 public parking lots around town, um, having one central location for parking will help

1003
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:08,600
 with, with managing it, but also helping visitors identify those spaces. So I just have a couple

1004
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:16,840
 more slides to talk about some considerations for off street parking. So, um, a little bit

1005
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:20,800
 I've mentioned earlier, but if you're wanting to kind of repurpose that public space on

1006
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:28,000
 street for active travel modes, shifting, um, parking off street is one good consideration.

1007
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,560
 Another is when you're having limited ways to actually manage the demand or manage the

1008
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:37,160
 various parking facilities you have. Um, another is when you want to have a concentrated supply

1009
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:41,720
 of vehicle parking. Um, and the final one is if the opportunity cost is there. So if

1010
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:46,440
 you're thinking about the construction cost for a parking structure, um, and what it would

1011
01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:53,800
 take to maintain it is that, you know, outweighed by the opportunity. Other considerations are

1012
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,480
 wanting that parking structure to not kind of be an eyesore in the downtown. So trying

1013
01:46:57,480 --> 01:47:01,840
 to make it, uh, look and feel like other different businesses and buildings in that downtown

1014
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:06,720
 area. You can consider active ground floor spaces with the parking structure above that,

1015
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:12,080
 um, to help, you know, with, with that look and feel. You could also provide, um, you

1016
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:17,480
 know, bike parking or, or other uses within that parking structure. And then again, ways

1017
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:24,220
 to kind of enhance that is through signage or real time signage for, for parking spaces.

1018
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:28,760
 So here's two examples of where you have active ground floor, uh, retail, where you have a

1019
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:32,800
 parking structure and you can see that it looks a little bit nicer and is a place that

1020
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:38,240
 people want to be. Um, you could also have these different retail uses, uh, pay a fee

1021
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:44,400
 to the city so that they can help to maintain that parking structure. Um, and then lastly,

1022
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:50,160
 just thinking about locations. So you want to have a, a pretty large piece of land within

1023
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:55,160
 a three to five minute walk of the core kind of downtown area, uh, to locate that parking

1024
01:47:55,160 --> 01:48:00,440
 structure. So here are two that are larger ones already available in the downtown area.

1025
01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:05,000
 Um, and it's helpful to have kind of access from two different streets for traffic flow

1026
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:10,000
 within that building and consider, you know, enhancing the pedestrian facilities around

1027
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,400
 it because you will have a high number of visitors that are going to and from that lot.

1028
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:19,760
 So this concludes the presentation. Um, happy to answer questions, but also understand if

1029
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:25,080
 we need to kind of move on to the next piece, that's okay too.

1030
01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:34,060
 So we have seven minutes and another project. So my question to you, Cassie is, my guess

1031
01:48:34,060 --> 01:48:40,360
 is based on the slides, we have, we're going to have a lot of questions knowing this audience.

1032
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:47,680
 Um, so I don't know how much time we can go over. I, I, I don't know how important it

1033
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:52,920
 is to get the capital projects in, in seven minutes. You, you tell me, because my guess

1034
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:57,640
 is that there's, there's way more questions for this and way more attention for this than

1035
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:02,420
 we can possibly accommodate in like a minute. Yeah. So my suggestion is we can bring this

1036
01:49:02,420 --> 01:49:07,000
 item back for additional discussion because I really like to focus, be able to focus on

1037
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:12,080
 the short term wins here and the short term implementation. So, um, we can bring it back

1038
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:16,860
 at the next meeting and have additional discussion specifically about the parking study. Um,

1039
01:49:16,860 --> 01:49:21,760
 and then the capital projects, if you have feedback, I suggest we were not going to get

1040
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:26,560
 to it today, but if you have feedback for that before we get to the budget discussions,

1041
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:30,560
 I'd like to have that, you know, so you can always email that. I think we have some questions

1042
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:36,000
 from Susie that we're happy to provide responses to in writing. Um, and then we can table the

1043
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:43,560
 rest of the items for the next meeting. So you, you want to do the budget part? No, I'm

1044
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:49,560
 saying, I'm saying we, this room is booked only until 12, so we don't have time today,

1045
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:55,400
 but if you have any questions or feedback about the particular, um, projects that we've

1046
01:49:55,400 --> 01:50:01,960
 included in the backup, I'm happy to take those in writing via email. Okay. Uh, then

1047
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:10,680
 staff will coordinate responses. So is it possible for y'all to send out what questions

1048
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:15,080
 we asked and what the responses were to the whole? Yes, I will make sure the whole committee

1049
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:21,840
 gets all of the responses. And before we're, we're, we're good for that. Cause that, that

1050
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:27,600
 feels like it's sort of almost extra meeting and I don't know whether I want to stay with

1051
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:36,280
 inside the rules. Yes. I think that would be a public facing document. It wouldn't be

1052
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:42,120
 we can attach it to the next meeting. Okay. Or and the agenda backup, we would have to

1053
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:48,920
 discuss this. It's not, the meeting is not happening outside of the meeting construct.

1054
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:54,480
 That's the important part. And I'll get with Cassie to discuss. Okay. So that, that all

1055
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:01,640
 sounds good. So I'm going to ask the counselors and commissioners, um, uh, review these materials

1056
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:06,200
 for these final items, get your questions into staff. Staff will coordinate and send

1057
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:12,440
 out a shared document that we can all see. And similar, I guess to the way we do council,

1058
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:18,220
 um, uh, let's do that sooner rather than later, because some of these are time sensitive items.

1059
01:51:18,220 --> 01:51:26,480
 So in the next day or two, please. Uh, and then, um, is there, I would like to request

1060
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:33,280
 that we bring these items back for discussion at the next meeting. Um, we were just really

1061
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:39,000
 dense today for two hours. Yeah. We didn't have the July meeting. So we had a, a pretty

1062
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:44,960
 heavy agenda today, but yes, we can bring those items back in September. Uh, September,

1063
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:53,320
 let me look, Jasmine, do you have the date? September 25th. So I have a question for staff

1064
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:58,920
 and my, my fellow board members. And that is, is there a desire for, or an opportunity

1065
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:04,240
 for an additional special called meeting to relieve some of the pressure so that we don't

1066
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:08,880
 have to cram everything into the September meeting so that we can have a more casual

1067
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:17,920
 dialogue. Would that be beneficial or not beneficial for this meeting? Is that, is that

1068
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:24,720
 right? This is, this is about twice to two and a half times more than we normally do.

1069
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:29,740
 I'd, I'd prefer if, if it's, if it's possible, I'd prefer just to keep it on the regular

1070
01:52:29,740 --> 01:52:37,640
 schedule and, and work, work a little bit more in the, on the 25th than, than we normally

1071
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:41,720
 would, than this committee normally would. And I don't know what the density of the September

1072
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:47,000
 meeting was going to be, so I can't address that. I'll make sure we, we plan accordingly.

1073
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:56,560
 Okay. Also 10 o'clock. Yes. Okay. So is the appropriate action to table these or just

1074
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:07,800
 have new additional items on the future agenda? Do we, we continue these items or we just

1075
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:13,520
 have new overlapping items on the future? They would, they would just be posted as items.

1076
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:19,000
 We're just, you're navigating the meeting. We stopped two items short. Didn't pick them

1077
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:24,480
 up. No action was taken. You could say that, but it'll be posted and you can take it up

1078
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:31,240
 at the next agenda. We'll repost the items for the next agenda. Okay. That sounds good.

1079
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:34,780
 Everybody comfortable with everything we just sort of worked out right now? I clearly see

1080
01:53:34,780 --> 01:53:44,360
 a question over there. Okay. All right. So in, in hearing is we're going to bring items

1081
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:52,720
 E and F and G elements of those items any way back as future items on the September

1082
01:53:52,720 --> 01:54:00,280
 meeting. Um, and I have requested that we all get our questions in on these time sensitive

1083
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:06,720
 E and F items. Um, and anything in G that might be time sensitive as soon as possible

1084
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:12,960
 this week to staff and staff will coordinate a shared response to any questions that we

1085
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:21,040
 might have. All right. So I'm, I, I'm going to move ahead to concluding items in the last

1086
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:30,080
 minute because we are out of time. Any concluding items real quick. Okay. So with that, then

1087
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:35,200
 I will, uh, uh, uh, end the meeting at 11 59.