WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.120 Everybody speak up because we will be going back to work at the table for interesting. 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:11.840 All right everyone welcome to the sustainability framework advisory committee. We do have a quorum. 00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:19.520 It is Friday August 23rd 2024 at 1 30 and we are in the city council work session room. 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:29.840 We will go ahead and begin our item for individual consideration. A consider approval of June 7 2024 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:37.920 minutes. Anybody have any clarification or questions about those? No I approve. Okay so we have 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:46.480 a motion to approve from Ed. I'll second. Item second. All in favor? Aye. Okay so we will move on to 00:00:46.480 --> 00:00:53.280 B receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Greensense incentive program expenditures 00:00:53.280 --> 00:01:00.320 updates and next steps. 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:20.880 So just wanted to give you an update on Greensense. It's been going very quickly. Very well received. 00:01:22.160 --> 00:01:25.840 So we have some of the just a reminder about what revisions we made for 24. 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:30.080 Where the expenditures are falling out this year and then what our next steps are. 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:39.280 Just the background began in 2009. We haven't done a good update on it since fiscal year 18. 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:44.320 That was less than every day about some change so we were due for some updates. It's funded through 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:51.040 DME and only DME customers are eligible but we do manage that funding. Still comes out of the DME 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:59.360 budget but sustainability is responsible for management. We have energy efficiency focused 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:04.480 building envelope and building systems. This is kind of where the two categories for how the 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:09.520 revakes fall out most in line with what we've been talking about with the climate plan and 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:16.000 sustainability framework. And just a reminder we had one million approved for fiscal year 2024. 00:02:19.440 --> 00:02:23.600 So this is just a reminder of how we increase the rebates to make them 00:02:23.600 --> 00:02:29.680 more substantial. With the rising cost of everything it makes sense to go ahead and 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.760 increase those rebates make it a little bit more meaningful. 00:02:31.760 --> 00:02:37.920 So as of 8/16 00:02:37.920 --> 00:02:48.160 we have about 10 percent a little bit less than 10 percent of the funding remaining and it was 00:02:48.160 --> 00:02:53.840 broken up about 57 percent went to HVAC and smart thermostat. The building envelope the 00:02:53.840 --> 00:03:00.080 insulation weatherization type projects had about 19 percent of the funding. Transportation 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:07.040 the e-bike and the EV which we did halt those in the spring because we already exceeded what 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:12.480 we were planning to spend for those. That took about 13 percent of the funding and then the 00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:18.640 annual fan giveaway we did the thousand fans again and that's about 3.5 percent of the budget. 00:03:18.640 --> 00:03:27.760 So just some adjustments from running the program and running about 900 applications through 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:34.800 the program this year. We have some lessons learned. We want to change that 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:42.400 time frame after installation or purchase from 180 days to 90 days. So just within 90 days you need 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:47.440 to submit all your information if you're going to apply for a rebate. A little bit more outreach 00:03:47.440 --> 00:03:52.480 to installers. We're having quite a few new installers and just need to have a better 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:57.600 communication with them about invoicing and documentation. It requires multiple phone calls 00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:04.320 between the homeowner, the installer, building inspection sometimes to get all of the information 00:04:04.320 --> 00:04:09.280 that we need to process the rebate so if they could include everything on the invoice it makes 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:16.240 it easier for the homeowner, makes it easier for them. With us going to the more substantial rebates 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:23.920 we moved from all of them being a bring sense credit on the bill to issuing checks. If we have 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:29.920 customers who say landlords who may get more than one rebate in a year we want an option to have 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:36.880 the electronic funds transfer so that we don't have to kind of check every time and then we want 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:43.840 to talk about shifting the e-bike and the ev off of the bring sense fund maybe to the sustainability 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:57.120 framework fund. So this was the amount remaining on this was on 86. I think this was 16 actually. 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:05.840 So you can see we have about 101,000 remaining. I think we've processed about 48,000 last week 00:05:05.840 --> 00:05:10.720 and another 40,000 this week so we are right at the edge of that. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:22.640 So on the electric vehicle and the electric bike we adjusted those from 45,000 for ev. We planned on 00:05:22.640 --> 00:05:28.960 45 we adjusted it up with the things that trickled through how the payments come through. We ended up 00:05:28.960 --> 00:05:35.040 spending 87,000 out of the bring sense fund for those and just under 50,000 for the e-bike. 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:42.080 We took that kind of out of the multifamily. We were rolling it forward quarter by quarter 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:46.080 to see if anybody had taken advantage of the multifamily and knew that there was a cushion we 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:54.800 could use for it. So that's how that worked out and we also didn't want it to 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:01.440 start biting away at our energy efficiency. So it was time to, they're well received. 00:06:01.440 --> 00:06:07.040 Makes sense to try to continue them but not at the expense of energy efficiency. 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:19.600 So yes. So Katherine, can you go back to the, so you want to in this discussion now discuss 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:25.920 the shift or would that be, do you want to talk about that in our next discussion? 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:31.200 I think we could talk about it a little bit now and then, yeah. 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:40.160 So I do, I'm curious, so if we, if the multifamily is not being used and it was okay to take out and 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:48.400 adjust, fund the electric bike and vehicles, but we're going to move the propositions to move the 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:55.840 EV and e-bike out of this fund to the other fund, does that keep multifamily in there not being used 00:06:55.840 --> 00:07:05.440 or, no, we would keep multifamily in there, but we need to do a better job of speaking to our 00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:09.680 landlords and management companies about upgrading their property and just making them aware of the 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:18.320 program. This was such a big shift that it kind of overwhelmed our office of processing them. 00:07:18.320 --> 00:07:24.560 Yeah, so it's something that we know we need to do. We're starting to make those inroads with 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:29.440 landlords right now, but we need to do it on a larger scale. Anybody have a question? 00:07:29.440 --> 00:07:37.680 Just some questions. Do we know who buys e-bikes? Is there a, has there been a study done on 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:47.680 who buys income? We haven't done a study, we haven't done a study on that. I do, 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:52.560 been working on a bike survey to go out to everybody who received a rebate just to try 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:56.800 to get a little bit of that demographic information. I can tell you that the 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:06.720 total amount paid for e-bikes swings by very widely. It could be a $700, a $400 e-bike, 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:14.240 up to a $9,000 e-bike. So we do, this is just for me looking at the rebates as they come in. 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:19.840 Some of the addresses that are around campus, I think that's probably more students that are 00:08:19.840 --> 00:08:26.400 using the bike as opposed to somebody who's using it maybe for recreation or replace trips. We had 00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:30.400 somebody come out to pick up a fan in our office on Bay Hill on his e-bike that he'd gotten the 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:39.040 rebate for. And he came from north of, got the program at University. So they're getting used. 00:08:39.040 --> 00:08:49.520 So is this a situation where if I were to apply for an incentive to get an e-bike, I would receive 00:08:49.520 --> 00:08:54.880 them as incentive money after I purchased it. Is that correct? Okay, well here's where I have a 00:08:54.880 --> 00:09:03.920 problem. What about lower income households who can't afford to put that money out or down 00:09:03.920 --> 00:09:11.440 out front? Is there any way that, well I think there should be a policy based upon, you know, 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:19.120 you set the level. But for people who can't afford to put out whatever they need to put out to get 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:25.680 the incentive, I think there should be some sort of procedure where they can get what they want 00:09:25.680 --> 00:09:37.280 and pay for it upon completion of the project. Or even in some cases a payment program if we're 00:09:37.280 --> 00:09:43.200 really serious about energy equity in the community. I think we have to look at some aspect of that. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:52.960 And I understand. I think discussing it further than that is getting us outside of what it's 00:09:52.960 --> 00:10:01.040 posted for. It doesn't change how much is in the program on the health program. It's about how it's 00:10:01.040 --> 00:10:13.200 used though, right? So, well, expenditures, updates, and next steps. So I just think discussing on 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:21.520 changing a program is not what it's posted for. Fair enough. Still got my message, right? 00:10:21.520 --> 00:10:28.960 I guess in the end we can ask for a discussion on equality. 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:40.240 Any other questions? I have a short question on more of a clarification. You mentioned that 00:10:40.800 --> 00:10:47.040 you reduced the deadline from 180 days to 90. What's the story there? Why did you do that? 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:59.120 It's a very long look back for people to turn things in and it's harder to get the information 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:04.320 the further away you get. We've had some that we're kind of struggling with and they're going 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.920 back and forth with installers and they can't get the information and we don't want to reject them 00:11:07.920 --> 00:11:13.200 because it should qualify that they don't have the documentation to support it. We're hoping that the 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:19.760 90 days helps people focus on getting that in and getting it complete. Okay, so you're just 00:11:19.760 --> 00:11:23.840 starting the 90 days deadline. You don't have experience with that yet? Don't have experience 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:32.320 with that yet. That's what we're proposing. Adam, do you have any questions? I do have a question 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:39.040 pertaining to the Green Sense program and the use of the money. It might not because there's not a 00:11:39.040 --> 00:11:46.720 bullet point in it, but as far as how you use it in availability for multi-family and landlords, 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.800 do we have a how-to video posted on like D&E website or our sustainability site where 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:59.920 somebody like you walk them through the process because it could be kind of complicated for just 00:11:59.920 --> 00:12:05.600 anyone to try to figure out? We could definitely look at that as part of our education about the 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:14.800 program. We're moving towards trying to do more videos. I mean, very fortunate, Marcom is very 00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:19.680 supportive of the educational pieces. I think we could probably come up with something like that 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:25.280 and then our social media folks are great with fun little videos. Okay, all right, thank you. 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:34.800 So I guess is that it for this? Do y'all have any ideas? Are you happy with the rebates that we have 00:12:34.800 --> 00:12:42.320 in here? Anything else you'd like to add? I hope at some point that something can be worked out 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:51.040 again for residential rooftop solar and battery storage especially. And as the summers get hotter, 00:12:52.720 --> 00:13:00.160 I mean it's, we've got to act. It's not going to get better. We need to get ahead of things. 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:07.040 So I hope there will be a discussion regarding that coming up when the physical year starts in 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:12.000 October. Adam, I think you had a comment or question? I was just going to say I was kind 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:18.160 of waiting because I'm looking at our next item coming up and one of the proposals was shifting 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:24.480 one of these items to there. So I thought I would hold that conversation to that because then we'll 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:30.240 have a more comprehensive sense. But in general, if you're just asking for feedback, I think these 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:37.120 categories are great. It's my understanding, but correct me if I'm wrong, that the especially like 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:43.520 the HVAC and the building envelope things have some empirical studies behind it in terms of bang 00:13:43.520 --> 00:13:50.080 for the buck, energy savings and CO2 reduction. That's a smart way to invest our money, right? 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:55.600 And that hasn't changed. We don't have the data or anything about that. No, we actually need to 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.080 get some updated estimates and then we'll do it after the end of this fiscal year when we have 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:06.800 the whole program we ever would have. Okay. Thank you, Catherine. 00:14:09.680 --> 00:14:14.000 So we will move on to IMC, receive a report and hold the discussion 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.560 regarding the sustainability framework fund. 00:14:16.560 --> 00:14:33.120 So sustainability framework fund. So just a little bit of background, the funding, the estimates and 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:38.880 the actual, the projects that we have undertaken and then we want to talk about the prioritization 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:41.760 and adjustments that we might make to the framework fund work plan. 00:14:41.760 --> 00:14:51.120 The next steps. Before I move off this one, sorry, just a reminder, we have the four million 00:14:51.120 --> 00:15:01.760 projection for '22, '23 and so we program for up to four million. Whenever that wasn't realized, we 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:07.920 took that same work plan and carried it forward through '23, '24 while we saw what the revenue 00:15:07.920 --> 00:15:15.360 was actually going to come in and saw what we would actually have available. So we had the 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.000 five hundred thousand dollars with the seed money whenever the sustainability framework fund was 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:25.840 launched and then we got the four million that came in at five hundred thousand. 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:33.520 The budget for '24 was adopted for seven hundred and fifty thousand. We don't have the actual 00:15:33.520 --> 00:15:38.480 budget but the projected revenue is eight hundred and ten thousand for the fund and then they're 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:49.360 planning eight hundred thousand for 2025. So any planning that we do and anything that we want to 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.240 add to the work plan, those are just the numbers we're reporting right now. 00:15:52.240 --> 00:16:02.240 Just some of the projects that we have underway are completed and the costs for those 00:16:03.920 --> 00:16:08.960 we just got our second round of air quality monitors and we'll be installing those and 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:13.600 hope to launch something soon on the dashboard so we can start sharing that data. 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:20.880 We have been working with the departments to try to support electric vehicle adoption. That was 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:26.640 one of the things that we were really interested in trying to get that adoption level up and let 00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:33.200 folks maybe some early adopters see how they work and you know if they have an EP and if they don't 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:38.320 have a bad experience with it you know them they can they can show it to others in the in the city 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:47.120 that it can't work. We're supporting an electric fire engine that will be at station one and then 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:55.280 we're working with PD for therapy bikes this year. They purchased some last year PD parts and fire 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:04.560 have them and the bike officers love them. They're much more in the mix. They're not in the 00:17:04.560 --> 00:17:09.600 car. If they're on the bike it's a lot easier for folks to talk to them and have better interactions 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:15.040 with the public. They use them around the square a lot during events. They're great. We don't have 00:17:15.040 --> 00:17:26.960 another vehicle going through the item. So just a reminder we did just move forward with that work plan. 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.880 These are the budget members that we're working with. 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:40.080 And then we want to work on the prioritization. So just some ideas. Transportation shift EV and 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:45.760 EV right to the framework plan. Consider that and then energy conservation efficiency, water 00:17:45.760 --> 00:17:52.080 conservation strategies, and then the privet restoration projects that we're working on with 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:57.360 parks where we're going to go back and replant. We'll continue that so that we see that through 00:17:57.360 --> 00:18:02.400 in the end. And this is what we talked about about a year ago. 00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:10.480 So what we're trying to do now is start to develop our 2025 work plan. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:17.440 We'd like the committee to identify the priorities and then we will work with the team to 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.000 develop the scope and cost and see what that might look like when we build it into the plan. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:29.920 And then we'll bring that back to the committee for review and then consideration for presentation 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:38.160 council action. Does anybody have any questions or comments? Adam would you like to 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:45.920 share your comments with this item? First of all just a question. Can you tell us what is the 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:58.000 source of the revenue for this fund? It is earmarked. The city council earmarked funds for the 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:05.920 sustainability framework fund and a couple of other funds whenever it was created in 2021. 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:16.560 So I think our plan is to have a discussion where we're going to talk about priorities. 00:19:17.600 --> 00:19:28.240 I'll just kick the ball off, use that metaphor. Do we have criteria in mind for how we would 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:34.240 prioritize things? For example a couple things that come to my mind is we just have the climate 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:41.360 action plan which meshes with other plans so we can look to those plans to identify what are our 00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:48.800 priority areas right. Built into those plans I also would imagine is some data some empirical 00:19:48.800 --> 00:19:54.160 studies about where we would get the most benefit different kinds of benefits from spending money in 00:19:54.160 --> 00:20:00.480 different markets so that that may be how we want to frame the discussion I don't know generally. 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:05.840 And then specifically I kind of liked your idea but I guess I want to hear more about it 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:14.720 of moving the EV and e-bike funding over here. It seems like it's kind of swapping some other 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:22.640 priorities in the other fund and we already are doing some electric vehicle work here so consolidating 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:29.600 that just as a first blush makes some sense to me so those are just my kind of initial thoughts 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:36.880 about how to go about doing this. If we did though would the process change because this sustainability 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:47.440 the framework fund isn't necessarily a rebate fund. It's not a rebate fund but we would only 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:54.640 be changing the funding source for the program. I mean we would have to work through that with 00:20:54.640 --> 00:21:02.160 financing and just make sure that that all works. My concern would just be that it would just stick 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.520 out like it would be different and then okay so you have one that you're taking money you're 00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:16.000 rebating from this bulk of money. Does it switch back and forth or are we pulling other things out 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:23.520 of green sense because you know what I'm saying like I don't know I mean it's a topic for discussion 00:21:23.520 --> 00:21:30.800 but that's just one of my would be one of my concerns because of that. Well and it was a 00:21:30.800 --> 00:21:38.480 great way to pilot the e-bike and the e-B but it's not necessarily an energy efficiency 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:47.600 program so it does make sense to move it off of DME and onto another sustainable source of funding 00:21:48.320 --> 00:21:54.880 but we could we could air market of course we have to adopt a work plan and discuss that first 00:21:54.880 --> 00:22:04.400 but we can figure out how to put something else on that. So we're saying because it's clean air 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:14.880 it it more satisfies I mean it's over here in this fund. It doesn't reduce energy pollution 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.640 it can reduce pollution absolutely. Right yeah yeah reduce vehicle almost travel and reduce 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:29.840 trips so. Adam I saw your hand up. Yeah I mean I don't know how we're approaching it maybe we're 00:22:29.840 --> 00:22:35.040 just throwing stuff out there and we'll see. Another question I had was the air quality monitors 00:22:35.040 --> 00:22:40.320 you had mentioned something I didn't quite catch it we had that down for two hundred thousand 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:45.840 dollars is that a program where we it was kind of a one-time thing where we're getting some 00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:50.960 infrastructure in place and then that money could be available the next year to do something else 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:59.120 or is that going to be an ongoing expense? There is an ongoing expense for the data but the initial 00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:04.400 cost the initial outlay for the monitors was one time and then there's recurring cost and 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:12.720 I think it's $28,000 I don't know don't quote me on that one but I'll look that out the money now. 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:16.000 Okay so because that's the follow-up then if there's some things we do with this fund 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:22.000 that are initial costs but then there's a follow-up cost we need to be sure to budget that in right 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.840 maybe this was 200,000 last year but this year it only needs to be 20 right but it does need 00:23:27.840 --> 00:23:33.920 to be something. It does need to be something. Okay and we're trying to look over one-time purchases 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:41.360 so that we don't have that right. Right okay tell me if I get out of balance yeah 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:50.800 I'd just like to throw out an idea for a priority is that acceptable now? Absolutely. Yeah I would 00:23:50.800 --> 00:23:59.920 like it if we looked into community solar as a project which has obvious benefits in reducing 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:07.600 pollution also feeds into the equity issue feeds into people who have trees and can't have solar 00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:16.960 panels feeds into economic issues keeping keeping the prices down. There's really no downside 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:23.600 to community solar so I would definitely like to see that included as a priority. 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:32.000 And can you tell me a little bit more about I mean I have to do some research on that to put us 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:37.600 together so are you thinking what pieces of community solar are you thinking that this fund should go to 00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:46.800 to purchase of land to installation to? Yes I mean there are models already Austin has a community 00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:58.720 solar program so does San Antonio and run by the utilities so it would be a matter of I guess DME 00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:06.640 stepping up to the plate and working on this it's to their advantage as well because it reduces 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:15.680 transmission costs infrastructure costs but there are models available both in Austin and San Antonio 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:21.920 and I'm sure other places too but those are the two that I found and as I say it's something that 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:28.400 is set up by by the utility because as you know Austin San Antonio both have their own utilities 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:37.520 just like we do so there's there's a model for it. I believe Austin San Antonio has a third party 00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:42.640 that they work with on that yeah they do and it's pretty far outside of San Antonio 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:50.240 at least the most recent one was yeah well there was there was just another aspect of this when 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:57.520 when the DEC was being discussed and approved eventually their DME spoke about having 00:25:58.800 --> 00:26:05.760 the possibility of putting in community solar or a solar field out by the DEC on the land there so 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:14.080 there is land available evidently for for this sort of thing so I'd like it to be looked into 00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:22.720 as a priority. Thank you. Any questions or comments? Yeah I have a question about the 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:31.520 pre-beat removal and restoration so is this one time how many times a year you do that 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:40.160 and what do you mean by restoration? So we did one larger project over all the building green 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:50.480 and we have to go through a two year growing cycle approximately what best practices is two to three 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:59.200 years of remove mechanical removal and some treatment and then after we get past that 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.200 growing cycle where we don't see a lot of it coming back then we go in and do the restoration 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:12.160 with the native plants, pollinated plants. So how do you remove it chemically or goats? They've tried 00:27:13.280 --> 00:27:20.320 parses use goats on that site we they did the mechanical removal with the forestry mulcher. Yeah so if 00:27:20.320 --> 00:27:27.200 you remove the roots then we use less chemicals to kill and they were doing this but we we worked 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:33.520 with parks to develop SOP for the removal to make sure that it was the most effective means possible 00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:40.800 so that we could get them. So you plan to do it every two years? The first pass is the hardest 00:27:40.800 --> 00:27:47.040 and the most labor intensive so there's been a little bit of maintenance but not as much as we 00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:51.920 thought we would. We've done a couple of different sites and used different methods to see what works 00:27:51.920 --> 00:28:00.800 best. So it grows fast. It grows fast. Yes. It does grow fast. There's one on Spencer poster breaker where 00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:07.520 they cleared between Spencer and DCTA. That one they treated a little bit differently and it came 00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:14.240 back a lot shorter so trial and error but we're working on the parks properties. If we have an 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:19.200 opportunity to remove it before it gets out of control then they're going to take that 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:24.000 but we're working with them to help get that taken care of and then actually do the restoration 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.480 afterwards. So $48,000 do you think is enough? 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.360 I can talk to parks so if we think maybe more on that we can talk to parks and see what they have 00:28:37.360 --> 00:28:42.640 coming up this year where we may need to do some of that and we can build that in. I can go do that. 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:54.960 Adam go ahead. So a couple of like process questions. One is in the process of setting this fund 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:03.280 I think I saw a flow chart you're talking to us and to council. Is there a public input or 00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:10.480 I don't know how far this goes in terms of. No we have worked with the committee to develop a 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:16.640 recommendation for council and that's how we did the first two rounds so this would be the third 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:23.600 week. We don't have a community input per se on the prioritization. That's okay I just kind of 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:28.880 want to know because then a little more responsibility for us to try to think about all the interests and 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:35.040 things we can represent here on this committee. Which brings me to my next question was 00:29:35.040 --> 00:29:39.040 this is a fund we've got eight hundred something ten thousand dollars I would say 00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:47.440 which probably in the city's scheme of things not very much money and there's other funds out there 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:53.840 that do some things so for example I would love to spend eight hundred thousand dollars planting 00:29:53.840 --> 00:29:59.840 trees okay but I don't know if that like isn't there there's other programs like KDB has its 00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:04.960 tree giveaway and there's other things and parks has their tree planting parks has things so I'd 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.440 love to spend eight hundred thousand dollars buying up green space to preserve land but 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:15.040 that gets rolled there's other mechanisms that that gets funded through so when I look at this 00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:20.160 list it seems like part of what's going on here is these are worthy things that doesn't have another 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:27.440 home to get funded through is that fair to say like nobody else was going to electrify a fire engine 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:36.960 that's a cool thing to do I think that's probably very accurate statement okay and then we've got 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:42.800 this other fund which is doing a lot of the energy efficiency stuff but it seems like there's such a 00:30:42.800 --> 00:30:50.560 demand for that that you could look at this fund in that like too and there'd be a demand for more 00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:55.920 of that would you say like if we added we're not going to do another climate action plan right so 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:07.120 let's say there's 140,000 we could add more building envelope help or not we could good so if we're 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:18.240 looking at the so if we look at the 750 or the 810 from this year 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:25.360 you think about planning for that and maybe 25 percent more 00:31:25.360 --> 00:31:33.760 programs I think that that's a good number so so we can just kind of take a fresh start going 00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:41.360 forward looking at the 810 and with everything being one times for the most part we can build 00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:46.880 in that continuing cost for the monitors but everything else is kind of a one-time or is a 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:55.280 one-time so well I guess what I'm asking is we could add different kinds of things yes because 00:31:55.280 --> 00:32:00.960 interview efficiency not necessarily reflected here okay right right this could be something that 00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:07.440 we haven't identified another source exactly for funding for that and we have a crosswalk 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.880 that would probably help kind of see where the other departments are doing things 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:20.960 we it was presented with the climate action plan but we could do a little bit deeper 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:26.320 data on that and how they're funding and what they're working on okay all of that is a setup 00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:35.120 thank you my own sense of what I would prioritize would be things in the transportation sector so 00:32:35.120 --> 00:32:41.200 these vehicles the bikes and the reason for that is because I think one of our big problems that 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:47.360 we've discussed through the climate action plan on other discussions is a local air quality 00:32:47.360 --> 00:32:55.040 and I feel like here's a place where we could make headway on that so that would be a priority 00:32:55.040 --> 00:33:03.360 for me I also second ed's idea that sounds pretty cool too yeah sorry okay oh yeah I was just going 00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:08.320 to say that anytime say we discussed this here anytime an item gets to council there will be 00:33:08.320 --> 00:33:14.240 public input for people to speak on it before they vote on something right so that's there's always 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:29.440 that just answer the question thank you well I feel like we've got a pretty good start here 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:38.320 and some places to go for priorities I think that if whenever it comes back maybe have a better idea 00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:45.520 of what was one time what's reoccurring what will fall off you know like you know maybe if there's 00:33:45.520 --> 00:33:50.880 maybe if parks can pick up the restoration or the privet or whatever out of some of their fund 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:58.400 I don't know necessarily how why that would keep ending up in ours I think maybe if they 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:10.080 have the word for it that would just be my my suggestion there on that reducing reducing the 00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:18.080 pollution and making our air quality better is a goal here so whatever priorities we can move 00:34:18.080 --> 00:34:23.040 over to this fund to do those things for the health of our residents the better 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:29.840 that that would just be my idea 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.280 I think I think we're good you have another comment 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:48.000 I have only one concern about I agree with the transportation completely but I my wildest dreams 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:58.240 I can't see people riding e-bikes when it's 105 106 107 degrees out so I think there's we we have 00:34:58.240 --> 00:35:04.080 to look at not only clearing the air but we also have to look at initiatives 00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:08.720 that fight climate change in other ways too 00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:16.480 and that's why I'm quite adamant about things like renewable energy 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:25.840 that's a given I don't see EVs or electric bikes as being practical in some ways but in others 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:31.840 you know what's amazing I don't know if you saw the saw the article in the newspaper but 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:40.000 last week at Nettie Schultz elementary school is this on topic yes it's on topic it's about the heat 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:46.880 the the kids came out to get on their bikes after school and all their tires were flat 00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:54.880 because the heat had melted the inner tubes I know I'm pushing it here but I mean that's what 00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.320 that's what the earth it's it's urgent it is really urgent and the more we can do to get ahead 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:06.160 of the eight ball on this the better so risk my risk my case thank you and then on the priorities 00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:12.720 for us too since we're in a drought too for our water conservation because of certain issues 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:19.760 I would say maybe move that up because that's going to be more likely every summer a thing that 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:26.640 we're you know experiencing and I know that we have the warnings and the requests for people but 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:33.760 I see water going off every day all times a day no matter what we say with our you know 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:40.640 only water once if you're odd or even nobody's paying attention so you know if we're going to 00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:46.640 run out of water there should be some other kind of notification system for the threat for the 00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:53.840 people and along adam's comment we're working closely with water and they just brought someone 00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:01.600 in to work on the enforcement so education first a lot of folks just don't understand what it means 00:37:01.600 --> 00:37:08.080 or didn't get the message so I feel I didn't know that so we do have tools to use there and water's 00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:12.240 proposing some other things in the next budget year that I think will complement what we do 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:18.720 and I also don't think they know the seriousness of it you know I mean because we've always had 00:37:18.720 --> 00:37:25.680 well it's it's you know well they see the legs full yeah um yeah just to follow up because on 00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:30.080 both of these comments I'm glad you said something about water because I had been wondering but I 00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:34.480 just didn't know what we could do in the budget so it's glad that I'm glad to hear there's some 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:40.240 ideas coming out there so maybe in addition to enforcement and notification if there are some 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:45.440 technologies or something for increased efficiency and we can identify big users where we could put 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.480 something in place that really gives a lot of reduced use without hurting whatever they're 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:55.680 doing in their operations that would be really cool I just don't know enough and then on ed's 00:37:55.680 --> 00:38:01.600 point that's interesting about the bikes I think the bikes still should be in there but I also when 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:06.960 I said electrification and transportation I am talking about vehicles as well I mean I know 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:11.600 plenty of folks who want to get an electric vehicle but they're just worried about the 00:38:11.600 --> 00:38:16.560 infrastructure to charge it and I know with our little bucket of money we can't maybe do much but 00:38:16.560 --> 00:38:22.240 maybe we could strike a blow in that direction to build some more infrastructure to help this 00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:27.040 nation technology get off the ground so that's kind of what I meant that in addition 00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:36.160 just some things about water water efficiency I think the the way we do irrigation now is 00:38:36.160 --> 00:38:44.880 not sustainable first of all and then second let's give up on this green lawn that we have a passion 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:53.920 for let's go native let's go plant native plants which do not require fertilizers and lots of water 00:38:53.920 --> 00:39:00.800 that's my day and we need to rethink the irrigation I mean people need to rethink the irrigation not 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:11.040 spraying in the air just dripping those native plants that then use mulch around them on our 00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:21.200 on this fund underwater I don't did we talk about rebates for smart watering systems in this fund 00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:25.360 under that conservation I mean if we're talking about having money left over 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:34.400 so maybe maybe just add that to some priorities I mean if we're going to start rebating people 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:40.640 maybe adding water conservation under some of those rebates we did call out irrigation incentives 00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:45.840 I wanted to double check so we got irrigation incentives smart controllers trip and then the 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:53.520 workshops that we put on so okay okay so adding that maybe even the irrigation tune-up 00:39:53.520 --> 00:40:02.800 incentive like we do for the HVAC tune-ups we have the infrastructure here to process it so 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:09.040 okay well I think that's all for this item if you have enough to kind of go on 00:40:11.120 --> 00:40:17.760 we will move on to our next item staff reports we have the green sense business program 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:23.200 and the matrix does anybody have comments about either one of those 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:31.200 I have some stuff for the matrix okay I want to go Catherine get situated thank you 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:43.120 you have some questions about it you want to add to it I'd like to add to it okay yeah all right 00:40:43.120 --> 00:40:47.440 so we're not going to have the other presentation what's the other presentation 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:55.840 that you did both oh you did the green business oh well that's under staff reports do you have 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.560 questions about the green business that's not a presentation it's not a presentation okay if 00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:05.520 you have a question about it at this point you can ask oh yeah I have a question about it 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.440 is the chamber of commerce involved in it too we presented to the economic development partnership 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:19.920 born last week and we got feedback from businesses and requested feedback from businesses in the 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:25.200 chamber and our economic development folks are they positive yes it was good thank you 00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:35.520 okay let's move down to the matrix okay thank you since we've adopted a climate action plan 00:41:37.680 --> 00:41:47.360 I'd appreciate a presentation on the priorities and timelines for adopting 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:55.920 those priority policies in other words I'd like to see whatever blueprint is being put together 00:41:57.040 --> 00:42:07.920 to enact ordinances supporting what is presented in the climate action plan 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:14.240 then I'd like to go have a discussion of equity issues 00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:20.560 and solutions for low-income homeowners who cannot afford to pay out front for incentivized 00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:30.240 improvements I'd like a discussion about the benefits of community solar especially for 00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:51.200 lower-income households have there been any links to the inflation reduction reduction act website 00:42:51.200 --> 00:42:58.800 regarding the the sustainability initiatives that are listed there not yet okay but will that 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:14.800 happen do you think okay thank you and I think one last thing oh if could we get a report on 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:22.080 if or what the city if if the city has applied for and received any IRA grants 00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:34.560 and finally I'd like a progress report on the status of the dent and renewable resource plan 00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:44.320 the revision of that see how that's coming along thank you and I think that one's on our matrix 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.560 to be scheduled 00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:57.680 it is on the matrix but I've been received information that 00:43:57.680 --> 00:44:02.800 well I'd like to find out if it's on track 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:13.360 I mean I just second Ed's first proposal because that's what I was going to suggest is now that 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:19.600 we have this climate action plan has been approved I'd love to have a discussion about how we can 00:44:19.600 --> 00:44:30.320 start implementing it and we will move to number two concluding items 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:40.240 I would I do have something this is my very last meeting today and so I would like to thank 00:44:40.240 --> 00:44:46.000 the members board members and staff for all your work this last few years 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:53.120 I had the time of my life serving on this board so thank you all thank you thank you thank you very 00:44:53.120 --> 00:45:04.160 much all right and with that we will close the meeting at 2 14 thank you