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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, August 14th, 2024.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present, I'll call us to order at 5.03 p.m.

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 Let the record show that commissioners Thaggart and commissioner Pruitt are absent at this

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 time.

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 First item on our work session agenda is citizen comment on the consent agenda.

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 Is there anyone here wishing to speak on consent?

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 That will move us then to our second item on work session.

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 That's clarification for tonight's agenda.

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 That will start with the minutes from the 17th and the 24th.

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 Any discussion upon those questions?

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 Okay.

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 High commissioner Pruitt.

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 Next will be the consent agenda.

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 We've got two items there.

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 Any questions on consent?

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 We'll go to items for individual consideration then 4A is FP240026.

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 Sean did you want to give us a synopsis of that?

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 >> Good evening.

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 Sean Jacobson.

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 Members of the commission.

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 Let me just pull this up here.

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 Okay.

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 All right.

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 So FP2424B, seen this before, this is a plat for the Sage Creek town homes.

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 They have resolved all of the outstanding concerns and they are ready to go and we are

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 recommending approval.

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 All right.

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 Did you send out anyone?

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 Somehow I have a postponement on that.

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 Is that just my bad?

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 >> Nope.

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 >> That's my error.

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 Okay.

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 Sounds good.

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 That's why.

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 Because it's 26.

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 We're on 26A.

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 >> Oh.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> My apologies.

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 >> That's okay.

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 I just want to double check my notes and what I thought.

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 >> I went to the consent agenda once.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> My apologies.

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 >> There we go.

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 That's what I was expecting.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> That's what I thought I read.

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 Okay.

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 >> Sorry about that.

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 Yes.

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 >> Thank you, Sean.

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 This is for the Asintio Ventures Plat and yes, we are recommending denial because they

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 do not yet meet the criteria for approval.

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 However, we have no objection to them going to September 11th with an extension.

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 >> All right.

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 Questions on that?

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 Thank you for clarifying.

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 >> Yeah.

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 My apologies for thinking of you.

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 >> Of course.

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 Next is 4B, FP240023.

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 Looks like Angie is met.

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 Bye.

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 >> Thank you.

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 My name is Angie Manglaris.

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 I am playing the role of Matt this evening here to present FP240023C.

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 This is a final plat for an approximately 15-acre tract of land generally located north of Fish

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 Trap Road into the west of Greenleaf Circle.

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 It is zoned light industrial.

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 At the time, the final plat does not meet our criteria for approval.

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 They are requesting their third extension to a date certain of September 11th, which

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 staff has no objection to.

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 Happy to answer any questions.

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 >> Thank you.

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 Questions?

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 And third extension, I assume we are moving along on things or are we just waiting for

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 some kind of -- >> Yes.

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 There are a couple of minor comments left on their civil engineering plans.

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 It's anticipated this is taken care of in advance of September 11th.

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 >> Got it.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you, Angie.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Next is 4C, FR240005.

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 Hi, Bryce.

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 >> Good evening, Chair.

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 Members of the commission, Bryce VanArtsville, assistant planner.

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 This is a final replat for approximately 36 acres, 0.5 miles south of Bonnie Bray Street

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 on the north side of Rose Lawn Drive.

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 Currently this plat does not meet the criteria for approval as they have some minor comments

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 to work through on their civil engineering plans, but staff has no objections to the

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 requested second extension to a date certain of September 11th this year.

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 Stand for any questions.

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 >> Thank you.

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 Questions?

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 Okay.

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 Thank you much.

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 Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner.

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 Go ahead.

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 >> So this is our second extension, just like the chair asked earlier.

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 Do we believe it's going to be able to solve the problem within the time of 4D11th?

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 >> Absolutely.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 Next we have 4D, FR240008.

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 Julie is here this evening.

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 Good evening.

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 Or I guess afternoon still.

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 >> Good afternoon.

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 >> Good afternoon.

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 >> Julie Wyatt, this is a FR240008, it's a replat of the Country Lakes addition.

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 It is a residential, single-family residential.

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 The original plat had an easement along the north property boundary of those lots.

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 It is not a needed easement.

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 It doesn't have any public infrastructure in it, but so it is something that they want

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 to remove so the residents can fully enjoy those lots.

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 They do have some items they need to work through so staff cannot recommend approval

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 at this time.

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 We're recommending denial.

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 But we have no objection to the extension to September 11th and this is the first extension

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 request.

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 >> Thank you, Julie.

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 Questions?

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Thank you.

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 Next is 4E, ZCP 240015, hi, Mia.

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 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, senior planner.

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 Just a quick summary of this item.

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 It's a zoning compliance plan for Alterra at Razor Ranch, which is a multi-family residential

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 development located at the -- or going to be located at the southeast corner of Crescent

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 Street and East Park Boulevard within the Razor Ranch overlay.

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 Of course, zoning compliance plans don't usually come before this body because this is in Razor

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 Ranch.

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 It does require planning and zoning commission approval.

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 And it does meet all of our criteria for approval, so we are recommending approval this evening

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 at this time.

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 I'll take any questions.

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 >> Okay.

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 Thank you, Mia.

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 Questions?

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay, next is 4F, FR240006, oh, that is yours as well, and I know that one was changed from

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 original backup.

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 We got an e-mail on that.

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 I'll let you fill the rest in.

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 >> Yeah, so this is a replat for Hickory Grove Phase 1A located within the city -- in the

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 AZTJ, north of West University Drive and west of Thomas J. Egan.

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 When this originally went out, the plat was not ready for approval.

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 It did not meet all of our criteria, but we have since worked with the applicant, and

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 so we are recommending approval of this plat, the updated copy that was forwarded to this

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 body.

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 Any questions?

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 >> Questions?

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 Okay.

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 Thank you, Mia.

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 >> Mm-hmm.

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 >> All right.

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 That will take us to our public hearings for tonight of both 5A and 5B.

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 The applicant has requested these be postponed indefinitely.

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 I do have a question for Hillary on this one.

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 We left the public hearing open on the last one.

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 Should I close that?

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 It seems very strange to -- I don't know.

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 I guess what is the procedure there?

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Okay, can you confirm, but I believe we're fixing to go ahead and re-notice everything?

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 >> Yes.

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 I believe at the time when they -- when the applicant indicates that they're ready to

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 come back, we would be re-noticing at that time.

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 >> Perfect.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> So for continuity, go ahead and close the public hearing and --

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 >> Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 >> -- move on.

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 >> And then we'll move on, obviously.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Okay.

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 Very good.

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 >> It's for minute continuity and such.

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 >> I like it.

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 Okay.

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 And then we'll then take us to 4 -- I'm sorry, 5C, CA240003.

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 Hello.

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 >> Good evening, Chair and Commission.

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 Cameron Robertson.

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 Oops.

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 Let me exit out of this.

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 This evening, we do not have a work session presentation for you all, but I'm happy to

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 go over it myself.

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 I'm happy to answer questions.

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 We also have Zach Lockram from Men Collaborative here to answer questions as well.

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 >> Awesome.

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 What kind of questions do we have for Downtown Plan?

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 Commissioner Pruitt?

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 Just a brief question.

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 Specifically on some of the road diet recommendations, has that been embraced by different departments

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 in staff, including traffic engineering and so -- the reason I ask is that I know things

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 can change and the reality is on the ground, but last year, staff recommended against installing

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 or planning for a roundabout down at Eagle and Dallas Drive, because their traffic demand

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 model showed upwards of 60,000 cars per day needing to be conveyed through there.

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 I'm not of the opinion that that's what we should plan for, but I just wanted to make

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 sure that we have alignment as we go forward.

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 >> We do.

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 And we've been in discussion with them.

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 A roundabout warrants and what you would do in terms of a 4-3 conversion are pretty separate

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 issues that turning motions and all of those animals can create --

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 >> Do you mind coming to the mic?

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 >> I'm sorry.

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 I apologize.

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 I'm Zach Lockram.

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 I'm with Men Collaborative.

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 I'm the consultant for the Downtown Plan.

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 And yes, we have been coordinating with traffic engineering with everyone that we would need

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 to regarding that, and just -- I was saying that the warrants for a roundabout are significantly

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 different than how you would evaluate a 4-3 conversion or other types of changes into the

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 --

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 >> Thank you very much.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> Thank you.

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 What other questions?

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 Anything else for him?

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 And I know we're looking forward to the presentation.

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 This is exciting.

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 Commissioner Villareal.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 And yeah, looking forward towards the presentation later today.

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 I know we had three constituents who reached out with questions.

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 I was wondering if we had a chance to answer those questions.

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 None of them were opposed or anything like that.

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 They just had a few questions about the boundaries.

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 One had questions about handicapped ramps, and there was another one who had two questions

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 mostly about bicycle lanes, it looks like.

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 I just want to know if y'all had a chance to look at those questions.

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 >> Yes.

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 Staff did have a chance to look at those questions.

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 And I think some of the questions regarding the bicycle lanes, and I think there were

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 some questions about landscaping.

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 So those correlate to the conceptual plans.

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 And as we're going to kind of cover through tonight's presentation during the public hearing,

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 is that once again, those are conceptual plans.

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 It's kind of showing the landscaping fully grown out and what those chill streets will

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 look like in the future.

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 In regards to the boundary, really, those are not hard edges.

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 When we're looking at the boundary, when we look at area planning, we do have to create

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 boundaries so that we know where our policy and ordinances are going to hit.

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 But in terms of this plan itself, all those policies, all those different recommendations

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 that we're putting forward in the plan are going to have, you know, go past those boundaries.

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 It's going to be a benefit to those neighboring communities.

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 For instance, southeast, you know, the neighborhoods to the south, UNT, TWU, it's not going to

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 just be, you know, solely within those boundaries that you see in the plan.

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 So that's one of the things, and I forget what the other comment was regarding, I apologize.

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 Handicapped ramps and downtown.

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 Those are all things that we're considering and those are included as recommendations

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 within the plan.

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 Walkability is huge.

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 That's something that we heard from members of the community that that was one thing that

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 was a huge focus to us in the plan.

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 So ADA ramps, wider sidewalks, multimodal transportation, those are all things that are being recommended

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 and going forward in the plan.

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 Awesome.

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 Thank you.

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 Of course.

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 I have one quick thing as well just to make sure that this is conveyed as well.

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 When we did, especially our online engagement, we didn't draw a boundary around downtown

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 when we were asking people to do our online mapping tool.

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 We let them self-define what they thought downtown was.

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 And then all of the comments that sort of fell outside of our study area were provided

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 to Southeast Denton plan that were communicated to the planners who work around the university

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 as well.

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 So we were really trying to make sure that we were making sure that we understand that

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 there's an area of influence that goes beyond downtown as well.

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 And making sure that we were doing everything in coordination with the other planning efforts

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 that were going on.

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 Fantastic.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 Cameron, on the note of back to the note of like ADA and special things, did you talk

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 to the committee?

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 Oh, I know you talked to so many people, but did you meet with the committee with persons

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 with disabilities?

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 We had tried to schedule the first time that we had scheduled with the committee.

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 Unfortunately, they didn't have quorum.

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 And then the second time that it was held, unfortunately, staff was very much at our

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 limits in terms of availability at that time.

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 And we're trying to finalize.

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 So we are planning on going in September prior to city council.

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 Oh, that'd be nice.

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 Yeah.

00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.440
 I think that would be great just to see if there's something that they could add to if

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 there's anything that was missed, that would certainly be the group that that would have

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 a better pulse on it.

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 Definitely.

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 Okay, anything else?

00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:01.720
 Thank you very much.

00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:02.720
 Thanks for being here.

00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:03.720
 Okay.

00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.720
 Final public hearing item tonight is 5D ASUP 23000.

00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.060
 And Sean is here for this item.

00:14:11.060 --> 00:14:13.720
 Thank you, Chair, members of the commission, Sean Jacobson.

00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:17.160
 Let me just get this pulled up here.

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 So this is ASUP 230001, which is the landmark at Locust multifamily.

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 So you all may recall this property actually has a fully approved site plan for 660 units

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 of multifamily.

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 It was approved back in 2022.

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 And so this is not regarding a change in use in any way.

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 What they're requesting is some site changes actually to expand the area available for

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 commercial non-residential development adjacent to the property.

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 So following approval, the property owner and the developer came back to us and said,

00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:09.280
 hey, we've looked at it.

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 The area we have left for non-residential development isn't, it's not really deep enough

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 for retail pads there.

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 Could we make some changes and the amount of changes that they were proposing in terms

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 of moving street extensions, turning them into drive aisles.

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 It was enough that we said we can't just administratively approve that.

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 We do need to take that back to PNZ and city council.

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 And so what we're bringing the amendments are changes to the site truly to accomplish

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 that goal of expanding the available non-residential at the corner there.

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 So use is approved, having multifamily there is approved.

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 This is actually a slight reduction in the number of multifamily units and buildings

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 in order to accomplish this goal.

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 And of course, we'll discuss in more detail, but that's essentially the essence of this.

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 It's an amendment to the site plan of an approved development.

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 So happy to answer any questions.

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 >> Thank you.

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 I know I went back and watched that video, that was October of '22, I think, just to

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 make sure that things were still like, those things weren't changing.

00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:15.640
 So I assume like Atlas Drive is still going to be just an emergency access.

00:16:15.640 --> 00:16:16.640
 >> Absolutely.

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 >> We still have that pedestrian access outside of the gate to the apartment complex, right,

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 where they would be able to access from that street to get to the commercial sites.

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 That's still in place.

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 >> All still there.

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 >> Okay.

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 They're still doing a phase development, so that south side is being developed first?

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 >> I believe, yes, yes, that's correct.

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 >> And with that, they're doing all of the key connective infrastructure, including the

00:16:42.760 --> 00:16:45.680
 drive aisle that goes out across from AME as well.

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 So all those kind of those essential things they're doing with phase one.

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 >> Okay, okay.

00:16:49.400 --> 00:16:51.360
 Yeah, I think I read that.

00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.680
 Let me just see.

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 Yeah, so the buffer's staying, right, that tree stand is staying on.

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 >> Not touching.

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 >> Yeah, okay.

00:16:58.680 --> 00:16:59.680
 >> The thing about how that's designed.

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 >> Perfect, perfect.

00:17:00.680 --> 00:17:06.480
 So then I guess the only, the traffic light, so is that different than what we discussed?

00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.480
 >> Nope.

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 It's the same place.

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 >> Yep.

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 >> Which is going to be at?

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 >> At, across from Beale and Locust.

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 >> Beale.

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Right, so AME is right in, right out.

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 >> So the change there, so if you were on the development, you can go right out.

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 It is actually going to, rather than restricted, it is going to a full intersection.

00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:29.840
 So we were able to work through that more with transportation, and the concern was,

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 what had been recommended was something that wouldn't allow folks across the way, across

00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:39.720
 Locust, on the AME side, they would have never been able to go north the way it was proposed.

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 When we looked at it more like, no, they really need the ability to actually take a left turn

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 out of there.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> And so we looked at that and determined that that could be done safely and changed

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 the intersection accordingly.

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 >> So that'll be done, I mean that won't have a light, so you're talking about the people

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 on the north side, no, that's not north, west I guess it would be?

00:17:58.600 --> 00:17:59.600
 >> Yes.

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 >> They'd be able to turn left out of there.

00:18:01.040 --> 00:18:02.040
 >> Yes.

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 >> In this new apartment complex, they can only go right out of there, correct?

00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:13.960
 >> That was originally, but they were proposing a pork chop, which was not something that

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 tech set where we were comfortable with.

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 So they will be able to turn out of AME.

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 >> Turn left or right out of AME, or whatever that's going to be called on that side?

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 >> I believe so, I'm going to confirm that because I want to make sure that I'm stating

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 that correctly.

00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.760
 But I believe we did state that was a full intersection.

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 >> Okay, then there would be no in there?

00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:32.680
 It would just be an exit?

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 >> No, it would be a full left, right.

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 So you could turn in, you could turn out.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> But however, they are putting in a dedicated turn lane doing south.

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 >> Okay.

00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.040
 Okay, I'll look forward to seeing that later.

00:18:47.040 --> 00:18:52.920
 Okay, I think that answers my questions for now, Commissioner Villarreal.

00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:53.920
 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 I know we had quite a few letters of opposition in the packet, and then a few emails that

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 came in.

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 And I know they had a meeting where about, I think it was a dozen folks showed up.

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 Was staff present at that meeting by chance?

00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.600
 >> Staff was not able to make it over there from a prior commitment.

00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:15.640
 So the report we had was that the residents were generally in favor of it when they found

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 out that none of the things that they had been really concerned about had changed.

00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:25.920
 And I will note, none of the letters we have received this time were opposition letters

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 from those who were in support the first time.

00:19:29.040 --> 00:19:30.880
 >> Gotcha.

00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:35.600
 And I guess, did staff reach out to those folks who had written letters in opposition

00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:39.080
 letting them know what the changes were, and was there a positive response after that?

00:19:39.080 --> 00:19:40.960
 Do we know if that occurred?

00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.480
 >> No, we mostly reached out just to let them know that we would pass those concerns on.

00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:49.920
 In some cases, there weren't necessarily clear concerns expressed, and the objections were

00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.960
 often to kind of the concept of multifamily, which this isn't changing.

00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:54.960
 >> Gotcha.

00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.960
 Thank you.

00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:59.480
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.960
 Unfortunately I didn't go back and watch the entire session.

00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:08.920
 So my memory may be a little rusty.

00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:15.540
 But I remember some discussion about the vision for that street that's along the northern

00:20:15.540 --> 00:20:18.960
 border of the multifamily area.

00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:25.880
 Procedurally, once they get to the phase where they do want to start developing the commercial,

00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.040
 is that staff reviewed?

00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:32.120
 Is that because it's an NSUP, does that come back before us?

00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:39.560
 I'm trying to -- I just want to understand what the process is.

00:20:39.560 --> 00:20:44.440
 It would be wonderful if commercial development in the area were something other than blank

00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.500
 loading docks in front of the residents here, in other words.

00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:56.440
 So the area outside of the multifamily area would be a staff approval as long as those

00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.320
 uses that they were pursuing were things that were permitted by right within the suburban

00:21:00.320 --> 00:21:01.320
 corridor.

00:21:01.320 --> 00:21:07.520
 But keep in mind, all of our requirements for adjacency buffering would be in place

00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:13.900
 and actually somewhat stronger because the right-of-way separation is being removed,

00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:19.880
 and so it will actually be adjacent lot to adjacent lot, and therefore all of our buffers

00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.960
 that would not necessarily apply if you have a right-of-way in the middle now would apply.

00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:24.960
 Okay.

00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:25.960
 Thank you.

00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:30.440
 Any other questions at the moment for Sean?

00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:37.840
 Sean, there was one thing I didn't write down that is one of the changes, and I can't remember

00:21:37.840 --> 00:21:38.840
 what it is now.

00:21:38.840 --> 00:21:41.200
 Does it have to do with, like, building style or --

00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.200
 Yes.

00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:43.200
 Talk me through that.

00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.120
 I was a little confused as to why they're asking for that.

00:21:46.120 --> 00:21:47.120
 Yeah.

00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:53.880
 So part of the challenge was when they made this change, it pushed the drive aisles in

00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.720
 the direction of the multifamily, reducing the developable area that they had.

00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:03.800
 That forced them to change the sizes and configurations of the buildings to fit into the remaining

00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:08.800
 space, and therefore they proposed a larger number of designs because they had to fit

00:22:08.800 --> 00:22:11.200
 into more slots.

00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:15.000
 They had less room, and so they had to come up with things that could fit into areas.

00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.860
 They did also propose some just general aesthetic changes.

00:22:18.860 --> 00:22:24.280
 Staff reviewing them determined that they still meet our criteria, still a nice design,

00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:29.960
 but it was mostly that need to fit into a smaller area that caused that.

00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:30.960
 Okay.

00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:31.960
 Understood.

00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:32.960
 Okay.

00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:33.960
 Anything else?

00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:34.960
 Okay.

00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:35.960
 Look forward to the full presentation --

00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:36.960
 Absolutely.

00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:37.960
 -- later on.

00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:38.960
 Thank you.

00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:39.960
 Thank you very much for answering our questions.

00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:44.000
 Okay, that takes us through our agenda for this evening, so now we'll get into our work

00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.000
 session reports.

00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:53.320
 The first one being 3A, PZ24163, Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, Give Staff Direction

00:22:53.320 --> 00:22:58.640
 Regarding an Ordinance to the City of Denton, Mending the DDC to Include Affordable Housing

00:22:58.640 --> 00:22:59.640
 Incentive Procedures.

00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:00.640
 Hello.

00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:01.640
 Hey.

00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:03.800
 I'm much shorter than Shawn is.

00:23:03.800 --> 00:23:04.800
 Good evening, Commission.

00:23:04.800 --> 00:23:05.800
 My name is Leah Atkinson.

00:23:05.800 --> 00:23:07.360
 I'm the Housing Programs Coordinator.

00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:09.160
 It is good to see you again.

00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:16.520
 I am here today to return for your consideration the proposed Affordability Incentives Amendment.

00:23:16.520 --> 00:23:20.700
 So in summary, this is a proposed amendment to update the Denton Development Code to include

00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:24.480
 Section 212, Affordability Incentive Procedures.

00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:28.120
 This amendment would introduce nine different development incentives, each of which offers

00:23:28.120 --> 00:23:31.880
 slight deviation from the standard DDC requirements.

00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:36.680
 Any residential development would have the option to utilize one or more of these incentives

00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:40.480
 in exchange for including affordability within their development.

00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.560
 This was brought to you for consideration in July, and the Commission's direction at

00:23:43.560 --> 00:23:48.360
 that time was to come back for a second work session after conducting more public engagement.

00:23:48.360 --> 00:23:51.080
 Staff has conducted that public engagement and is returning.

00:23:51.080 --> 00:23:56.820
 I will first briefly review the basics of the proposed amendment as originally offered

00:23:56.820 --> 00:24:02.760
 before diving into that public engagement.

00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:06.720
 So just briefly, staff's proposal today is presented in alignment with a few different

00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:08.160
 planning documents.

00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.920
 First and foremost, the Affordable Housing Strategic Toolkit, of which this is an item

00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:12.920
 outlined.

00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:21.160
 Additionally, City Council's priority to prioritize to foster economic opportunity and affordability,

00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:27.920
 as well as the Denton 2040 Plan and the Economic Development Strategic Plan.

00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:31.840
 These are the nine incentives proposed, a 20 percent deviation from the minimum yard

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 and setback requirements, building coverage requirements, minimum building coverage to

00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:42.000
 be specific, minimum lot width, depth and area, maximum building height, and minimum

00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.000
 unit size.

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.480
 Additionally, a 10-point reduction in the landscaping area point system and a parking

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 reduction down to one spot per affordable dwelling unit.

00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:02.860
 And exchange developments would be dedicating some of their homes to low-income residents

00:25:02.860 --> 00:25:11.600
 at rates affordable to those low-income residents, whether that be leases or homes for ownership.

00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:15.720
 The scale of affordability would increase depending on the number of incentives utilized.

00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:20.880
 If just one incentive is utilized, 20 percent of those homes would be dedicated to low-income

00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:26.580
 households, divided into smaller categories of different AMI levels included within low

00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:28.120
 income.

00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:34.480
 And that scales upwards to 65 percent as a maximum for four or more incentives utilized.

00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:39.760
 Additionally, as originally proposed, the duration of affordability also scales up with

00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:44.480
 the number of incentives utilized, starting at 20 years for just one incentive and increasing

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 to a maximum of 45 years if four or more incentives are utilized.

00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:57.480
 This is an example we worked together to create.

00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:00.260
 This is a real example of a real development in Denton.

00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:03.400
 This is Sherman Crossing, multifamily development.

00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:08.880
 This is a vision to meet the landscaping area point system.

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.360
 They chose two elements from section A, B, and C, respectively.

00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:20.320
 This is an illustration of what they might have done were they to utilize the landscaping

00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:23.200
 area point system reduction incentive.

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:27.400
 So in that scenario, they might have removed their obligation to create a parking island

00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:33.600
 every ten spaces, as well as plant trees that exceed four caliper inches.

00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:37.320
 So still planting all those same trees, just slightly smaller at the time of planting,

00:26:37.320 --> 00:26:41.040
 which saves that developer a good bit of upfront cost.

00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:44.360
 So you can see that illustrated there.

00:26:44.360 --> 00:26:47.820
 The development overall had 294 units.

00:26:47.820 --> 00:26:51.640
 So in exchange, if they had utilized this incentive, 59 of their units would need to

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:58.280
 be affordable for that 20 percent.

00:26:58.280 --> 00:27:02.400
 This development can also just as well be used for single-family development.

00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:06.700
 This is a close-up of a subdivision just showing a single block.

00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:11.080
 This is the Stella Hills subdivision just focusing in.

00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:15.020
 We can see here what it might look like if this development were to utilize the lot width

00:27:15.020 --> 00:27:16.400
 incentive.

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:22.360
 So here first I have illustrated the existing block with its 16 lots highlighted in bright

00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:28.360
 yellow that 10-foot reduction in what it might look like on the existing 50-foot wide lots.

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:34.720
 This development is an R6, so 50 feet width is their existing minimum lot width.

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.600
 That could be reduced to 40 feet.

00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:41.960
 And then next I have displayed a reimagined version of that block showing 40-foot wide

00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:48.440
 lots, and in that scenario they could fit 20 lots instead of 16 lots.

00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.600
 That subdivision overall had 316 total homes.

00:27:52.600 --> 00:27:56.760
 If they were to utilize an incentive like this, they would likely be able to create

00:27:56.760 --> 00:28:03.600
 more homes, and 63 of those 316 homes would be dedicated to low-income households and

00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:11.520
 be sold to low-income households.

00:28:11.520 --> 00:28:16.160
 So staff did conduct public engagement as per the direction of this commission.

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:20.820
 Most notably staff hosted a town hall on Monday, August 5th.

00:28:20.820 --> 00:28:25.920
 This was the invitations were sent out to development services developer town hall email

00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.000
 group, which reaches many, many folks.

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.560
 Approximately 30 were in attendance.

00:28:31.560 --> 00:28:36.000
 That was a mix of developers and residents who were interested and invested.

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.400
 To accommodate those who may not be able to attend the town hall, staff also attached

00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:46.960
 to every invitation and to the posting on the website a version of the presentation

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:52.040
 provided to you in July, as well as a form to directly provide feedback, just reviewing

00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:54.680
 the presentation and saying what you think.

00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.720
 And that received 11 responses as well.

00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.040
 Primarily, the feedback from both residents and developers wasn't interested in seeing

00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:05.800
 stronger incentives that would increase developer buy-in.

00:29:05.800 --> 00:29:11.280
 A summary of the feedback that was received during that town hall and an exact copy of

00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:17.160
 everything staff received virtually is included in exhibit 3 for your review.

00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:23.600
 In response to that, staff did hear two suggestions that could be incorporated into the existing

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:25.960
 proposal, which I'll show here.

00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:32.900
 This is the affordability table as previously presented, but with two adjustments.

00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:37.840
 One suggestion that we heard was we could increase the ratio of incentives for the same

00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:41.400
 amount of affordability, so starting that table at three.

00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:46.720
 So in this scenario, a developer could use up to three incentives and provide 20 percent

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.160
 of their homes as affordable and then scale up from there, and only hitting that maximum

00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.720
 65 percent at eight incentives.

00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:58.160
 An additional suggestion that we heard was standardizing the duration of affordability

00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.200
 to 30 years.

00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:05.000
 This could prove to make the program more accessible to a developer just by having it

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.400
 be the same across the table.

00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.820
 If the commission is interested in either of these changes, these are changes we could

00:30:12.820 --> 00:30:18.640
 make, would not have to do both, could take one or the other, could take neither.

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.040
 Moving on from that, there are three options today.

00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:29.620
 First, to proceed to a public hearing August 23rd as originally proposed without any changes.

00:30:29.620 --> 00:30:35.760
 To proceed to a public hearing August 23rd with adjustments either and/or of the two

00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:40.840
 that I just showed you, increasing that ratio of incentives per affordable units, starting

00:30:40.840 --> 00:30:47.480
 that table at three incentives, and/or standardizing that duration of affordability to 30 years,

00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.840
 regardless of the number of incentives utilized.

00:30:50.840 --> 00:30:54.880
 If this commission would like to suggest substantial changes or if additional feedback is going

00:30:54.880 --> 00:31:00.400
 to be required, staff will request to postpone that August 28th public hearing to have sufficient

00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.680
 time to make those changes.

00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.160
 With that, that is all that I have for you today.

00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.560
 I want to appreciate, I want to thank you for your time and your consideration.

00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:11.680
 I appreciate you, and I'm looking forward to the discussion.

00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:13.720
 Thank you.

00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:14.720
 Commission Perot.

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:15.720
 Thank you, Chair.

00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:24.520
 I have a couple of questions on the 30-year versus the increasing years.

00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:28.440
 Can you educate us on why that might be a request?

00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:33.220
 I imagine it might have to do with financing or other terms or management.

00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:35.840
 Just help me understand why that is beneficial.

00:31:35.840 --> 00:31:36.840
 Yeah.

00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:43.880
 To elaborate a little bit more, that suggestion came from a statewide housing advocate who

00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:49.760
 was suggesting that we do that to line up more with other federal affordability programs,

00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:52.400
 such as the housing tax credit program and other such things.

00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:59.120
 Additionally, just protecting residents from a situation where they might not, might need

00:31:59.120 --> 00:32:02.200
 to leave in a quicker way than 30 years.

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.200
 So that was that suggestion.

00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:05.200
 Thank you.

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.840
 And then also, I know a lot of effort has gone into this, specifically in the height

00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:10.840
 incentive.

00:32:10.840 --> 00:32:22.320
 I noticed that that doesn't allow any modification or ... I'm not sure what words to use.

00:32:22.320 --> 00:32:27.440
 The compatibility requirements that we have, which is, I think, 40 feet within 50 feet

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:34.360
 of a property line and then 50 feet after 100 feet, that sort of thing, are not amended

00:32:34.360 --> 00:32:36.440
 or relaxed due to this.

00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:42.600
 Can you explain how staff came to that recommendation, as opposed to trying to amend them a little

00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:44.280
 bit better?

00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:45.480
 I can see Angie coming up.

00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.680
 Do you want me to just pass that one to you?

00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:49.680
 Yeah.

00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:56.640
 Angie Mingler is a development review manager, and I've been working a little bit with Leah

00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.720
 and her team on these incentives.

00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:05.000
 A lot of this comes down to, we're trying to find a bit of a balance and a good place

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.840
 to start with these incentives.

00:33:06.840 --> 00:33:15.160
 We have the height and transition areas built into the DDC to protect residential uses in

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.640
 those zoning districts against incompatible height.

00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:27.040
 Because this is being implemented as a by-write, they're not required to do an SUP, or a zoning,

00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:29.960
 or anything of that nature.

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.600
 These would be things that would be approved at the staff level, and that height transition

00:33:34.600 --> 00:33:41.140
 could be somewhat jarring, a 40-foot residential structure next to what was 65 feet, but now

00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:43.760
 has an additional 20% on top of it.

00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:47.880
 Allowing those as blanket statements didn't feel like the right starting place.

00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:53.560
 We wanted to keep those areas of transitions and those protected areas for our residential

00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:54.560
 uses.

00:33:54.560 --> 00:33:55.560
 Okay.

00:33:55.560 --> 00:33:57.560
 Thank you.

00:33:57.560 --> 00:34:01.680
 Then I guess one more question, and then I'll have some direction.

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.560
 More on the affordability side, sorry.

00:34:05.560 --> 00:34:13.600
 I take it some of this was put together by speaking to other cities in Texas, and that

00:34:13.600 --> 00:34:14.600
 sort of thing.

00:34:14.600 --> 00:34:15.600
 Is that right?

00:34:15.600 --> 00:34:16.600
 Correct.

00:34:16.600 --> 00:34:17.600
 Yes.

00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:18.600
 Okay.

00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:26.240
 I know my question last time about residential in commercial zoning districts, are you aware

00:34:26.240 --> 00:34:32.000
 that Austin in particular has an ordinance, which technically it was passed at a separate

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:40.080
 time from the affordability unlocked program, but it basically works in context or in concert

00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:47.960
 with it to allow by-write multifamily within several commercial districts?

00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:48.960
 Yes.

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:49.960
 Staff is aware of that.

00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.880
 Staff has studied Austin's programs pretty extensively.

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.540
 What I would say is, again, kind of speaking to what Angie just said, this is a starting

00:34:57.540 --> 00:34:59.400
 point for staff.

00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:04.520
 If these go well or if we see an opportunity to expand it, staff will be returning to you

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:06.120
 to suggest that.

00:35:06.120 --> 00:35:10.840
 However, this is a starting point that staff can feel confident about.

00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.840
 As we discussed a little bit, it is a lot easier to scale up than to end up having to

00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:20.360
 scale back if there's something negative that happens in relation to starting a little bit

00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.080
 bigger than this.

00:35:22.080 --> 00:35:25.720
 Similar to how those weren't necessarily passed at the same time, they aren't considered

00:35:25.720 --> 00:35:26.720
 off the table.

00:35:26.720 --> 00:35:27.720
 Okay.

00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:30.000
 I appreciate that.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:35.520
 I understand staff is trying to get something started that hasn't had a lot of discussion

00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:38.440
 in the community and that sort of thing.

00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:47.200
 Ultimately, I feel like often we bring a trowel to something where we need a backhoe four

00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:49.840
 years ago.

00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:54.440
 While I understand that reticence to move too quickly, I think we're in a situation

00:35:54.440 --> 00:36:01.360
 where we haven't been moving quickly enough for a long time.

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:02.360
 Can I give direction?

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:03.360
 Sure.

00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:10.880
 My direction would be to agree with the community's feedback, specifically about the 30-year recommendation.

00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:20.920
 I would also say that I'm in favor of putting in a residential income in the SC Zoning District

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:27.160
 in particular under this program as an additional option.

00:36:27.160 --> 00:36:33.840
 I would also say that I completely understand the desire to make sure the transition areas

00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:41.200
 are not very different, and I would say that most of these things, the Austin ordinance

00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:46.640
 gives a 50% or greater bonus to, and we're only going with a 20%.

00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:55.520
 I would say on the height restriction incentive to include a 20% reduction in the distances

00:36:55.520 --> 00:37:00.960
 for the compatibility areas, but not the heights, so that's a relatively small difference.

00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.960
 It means that if you had a compatibility of 40 feet at 50 feet away from the property

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:12.320
 line, now it's 40 feet away from the property line.

00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:17.280
 Then lastly, I would say that when I look at the list of incentives, to me, I know you

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:24.440
 said the parking was one that was very well received, probably has the most value so far.

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.640
 The height one, I think, has a lot of potential to have a lot of value, and then if it's the

00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:34.560
 commission and our councils wish to allow multi-family within the SC Zoning District,

00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:36.600
 I think that would have a lot of value.

00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:42.440
 My proposal for that chart, instead of starting at three or having more than one incentive

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:51.960
 per column, I would say those three incentives count as one incentive point, if you will,

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:58.920
 and then all of the other incentives count as half a point, such that you could get two

00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:06.680
 of those other incentives for the same number of columns that you move over, by moving over

00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:07.680
 one column.

00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:08.680
 Does that make sense?

00:38:08.680 --> 00:38:09.680
 I am hearing you, yes.

00:38:09.680 --> 00:38:14.300
 There's a lot of stuff in that, so please ask if you need more detail.

00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:15.600
 I'll check with Haley.

00:38:15.600 --> 00:38:17.880
 Haley, do you have all that?

00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:18.880
 Okay.

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.280
 This is a collaborative effort, so okay.

00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.280
 Okay.

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.280
 All right.

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:24.280
 Commissioner Villareal.

00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.280
 Thanks.

00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.960
 I'm not too hung up either way, but I would like to voice my support for proceeding with

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.720
 staff's written plan.

00:38:32.720 --> 00:38:33.720
 Okay.

00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:34.720
 Questions?

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:35.720
 Comments?

00:38:35.720 --> 00:38:43.440
 Yeah, I heard a lot of what you said.

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:53.440
 The problem is I'm not sure that it's been studied and looked at in a way that we would

00:38:53.440 --> 00:39:02.920
 all know exactly what we're giving direction to, so I guess help me there.

00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:11.160
 I'm not sure how we want to proceed with your timeline.

00:39:11.160 --> 00:39:13.680
 The standardization, I actually really like that.

00:39:13.680 --> 00:39:19.120
 I think that's a great thing to change.

00:39:19.120 --> 00:39:25.640
 And then, yeah, I'm probably okay with their feedback of starting the table with three

00:39:25.640 --> 00:39:26.640
 incentives too.

00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:34.920
 I mean, the thing is you need developer buy-in for this, and the more we put out there what

00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.520
 they want, the more buy-in that we're going to get and we're actually going to have this

00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:39.520
 do something.

00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:43.600
 So, yeah, Commissioner Thacker.

00:39:43.600 --> 00:39:44.600
 Thank you, Chair.

00:39:44.600 --> 00:39:50.080
 Yeah, my next question was going to be what did the one developer say?

00:39:50.080 --> 00:39:51.080
 Oh, yeah.

00:39:51.080 --> 00:39:54.800
 So, when I say the one developer, that was the one developer that submitted online feedback.

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.200
 There were, I think, at least four developers who identified themselves as such, and that's

00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:03.440
 not individuals, that's groups who are at the town hall physically, so I don't want you

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:04.880
 to think we just heard from one.

00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:12.320
 But, yeah, from developers, we did hear a mix of that height in parking, landscaping

00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.840
 area and setbacks were all useful.

00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.500
 We especially heard that from multi-family developers.

00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:25.400
 We did hear that what would be more helpful would be things like reimbursements for impact

00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.720
 fees and things of that nature.

00:40:27.720 --> 00:40:34.800
 That's something we're exploring with bonds stuff, and we do have a developer fee grant

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.120
 that is able to be utilized that does a similar function to that, but for this specifically,

00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:45.160
 which is just zoning specific, we heard that some of these would be helpful, would be utilized.

00:40:45.160 --> 00:40:48.920
 We did hear stronger incentives would be utilized more.

00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:49.920
 Can I follow up, Chair?

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:50.920
 Of course.

00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:52.120
 Thank you, Chair.

00:40:52.120 --> 00:40:58.860
 I would like to hear more feedback on what they feel about the resale of the property.

00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:03.160
 I honestly don't think that we got any feedback about that specifically, to be honest with

00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:04.160
 you.

00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:13.000
 I read it, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm a little too dense on this, but 2.125B, 50%

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.240
 of net proceeds from the sale shall be paid to the city?

00:41:17.240 --> 00:41:21.900
 That's specifically in a scenario where they sell it at market rate, so they're essentially

00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:23.640
 breaking their agreement with us.

00:41:23.640 --> 00:41:28.240
 In that scenario, they're not holding true to their commitment to be affordable for 30

00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:29.240
 years, as it may be.

00:41:29.240 --> 00:41:32.640
 That's if they sold it to someone who was not going to maintain that commitment.

00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:33.640
 Okay.

00:41:33.640 --> 00:41:38.040
 In that case, those proceeds would go back into another affordability program, essentially.

00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:39.040
 Okay.

00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:42.920
 Did I summarize that well?

00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:43.920
 Yeah.

00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:44.920
 Danger.

00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.880
 That makes sense, because you don't want someone to get all these incentives and say, "Oh,

00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:54.280
 we're going to do this," and then ... Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.320
 We've got to have something to hold true.

00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.220
 Anybody else want to offer any feedback, comments, direction?

00:42:06.220 --> 00:42:13.960
 I don't know exactly how you should proceed at this juncture.

00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:19.960
 With some of the things Commissioner Pruitt mentioned, I would think we'd need a little

00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:25.840
 bit more hashing out to want to put in here, or how do you ... Yeah.

00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.840
 Sorry.

00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:27.840
 Okay.

00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.000
 As the Director of Community Services, I think typically how we handle this when we're in

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.040
 front of council is if there's a majority of you, then then we would take that information

00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:37.080
 back and make those adjustments.

00:42:37.080 --> 00:42:41.680
 If it is from one, then we hear it, and we'll look at that in the future guidance, but we're

00:42:41.680 --> 00:42:42.680
 just waiting.

00:42:42.680 --> 00:42:45.800
 If we've got majority direction from you that you're good with this, then we'll come back

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.120
 with that, with what we're proposing.

00:42:48.120 --> 00:42:52.920
 Again, if there's more of you that have the recommendations to look at some of those, then

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.920
 that's what we would do.

00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.480
 I definitely like the adjustments that are here.

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:07.280
 I think Commissioner Pruitt said that as well, Commissioner Villarreal did not.

00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.280
 I don't know how others feel with regard to ... Go ahead, Commissioner Thacker.

00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:13.840
 Commissioner Pruitt, can I just ... Thank you, Chair.

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.960
 Can I just get some clarification on how you want it redone, and I may not be hearing it

00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:20.960
 correctly.

00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:27.720
 Do you feel like we're giving more value to certain aspects of the adjustments than others?

00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:29.320
 What do you ... Yeah.

00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:35.480
 I apologize if I mangled the confusing and not as important with the simple and more

00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.640
 important in my mind.

00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:43.400
 The residential multifamily in commercial, I think is important.

00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:49.760
 The allowance of a little bit of that 20% distance in the transition areas, I think

00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.600
 is important.

00:43:51.600 --> 00:43:59.040
 My suggestion for aligning these things with the value of them was more complex, and I

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:01.840
 don't even know if it's right.

00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.280
 I would more say my feedback is really, "Hey, staff, if after all of this feedback you've

00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:15.120
 heard, you think some adjustment to the point system is warranted, then let's give our best

00:44:15.120 --> 00:44:16.120
 stab at it."

00:44:16.120 --> 00:44:22.220
 Ultimately, we're setting up an economy of points and values, and we don't know exactly

00:44:22.220 --> 00:44:26.400
 how much dollar value these things have.

00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.040
 I don't have any particular stake in that.

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:34.800
 I offered a suggestion of saying, "Let's take the three that I thought, maybe my impression

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:40.620
 is not right, of the most valuable, and then basically say those are worth twice as much

00:44:40.620 --> 00:44:48.520
 as all the others, and then all the others you would get two incentives per column of

00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:53.640
 motion, and then those three big ones you would get one per column."

00:44:53.640 --> 00:44:58.000
 Again, that's complex, and I don't want to hang things up because of that, because really

00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.440
 my feedback is, "I understand we're not going to hit it right on the bag.

00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.160
 Let's just make sure that staff, after the feedback, thinks that we're doing the right

00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:11.560
 thing as far as the values of incentives."

00:45:11.560 --> 00:45:18.280
 I think assigning a monetary value to those things, or looking at how it benefits in that

00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.880
 way, I think that's totally appropriate.

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:25.380
 I just don't want us to get into the weeds on coming up with Simone Biles' vault score

00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:28.640
 from trying to figure this out.

00:45:28.640 --> 00:45:31.680
 Make sure that it's easy to read.

00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:37.360
 That explanation makes complete sense to me.

00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:43.320
 I'm still a little confused at what we're trying to help them, give them direction and

00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.720
 this timeline that they want to be on.

00:45:45.720 --> 00:45:47.720
 I think thought has already been given.

00:45:47.720 --> 00:45:48.720
 Go ahead, Haley, then.

00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:52.600
 Just to say, if I could make a suggestion, maybe we just go around the table and everyone

00:45:52.600 --> 00:45:58.280
 say which of those three on the screen they're good with, or if not one of those, then what

00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.240
 alternative they would propose.

00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:03.360
 I did just want to note, there's two different dates on there, but August 28th is the correct

00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.520
 PNC date for the next one.

00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:08.520
 That is a mistake.

00:46:08.520 --> 00:46:09.520
 Thank you.

00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:10.520
 The 28th would?

00:46:10.520 --> 00:46:11.520
 Yes, so all of those would be August 28th in place of 23rd, if you're looking at the

00:46:11.520 --> 00:46:12.520
 screen.

00:46:12.520 --> 00:46:13.520
 Okay.

00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:14.520
 I don't know where 23rd came from.

00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:18.480
 Yeah, we would actually be voting on this item on the 28th, is what you're saying.

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:19.480
 That was the original plan.

00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:20.480
 Yeah.

00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:21.480
 The public hearing date.

00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.480
 Correct.

00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:23.480
 Got it.

00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:24.480
 Got it.

00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:25.480
 Okay.

00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:26.960
 I think that's fine.

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.080
 I think, yeah, I guess let's go ahead.

00:46:30.080 --> 00:46:33.000
 I assume you're going to be with number three.

00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:36.480
 Two B, thumbs up.

00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:43.160
 Two A, whatever staff thinks is the right adjustment, if any, to that, I'm fine with.

00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:52.480
 And then three, I really want to see multifamily in the SC Zoning District, as well as some

00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.760
 reduction in the distance of the compatibility zones.

00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:56.760
 Okay.

00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:57.760
 Commissioner Padron?

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:05.760
 Of the three, I favor proceed to public hearing on August 23rd with adjustments as presented.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.920
 So increase the ratio of incentives.

00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:09.920
 Second there.

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:10.920
 Okay.

00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:11.920
 Commissioner Villarreal, you are?

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:12.920
 Sticking with one.

00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:13.920
 Sticking with one.

00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:14.920
 Okay.

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:15.920
 And Commissioner Thaggard?

00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:16.920
 Okay.

00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:17.920
 And Commissioner Cole?

00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:18.920
 Okay.

00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:28.760
 I would say one, but, I mean, I'm not opposed to two.

00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:33.600
 Well, you got to pick one.

00:47:33.600 --> 00:47:38.840
 I mean, we got to pick one.

00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:39.840
 Two.

00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.840
 Okay.

00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:57.000
 Yeah, and that's where I'm falling as well, which I guess would be four of us.

00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:01.080
 It's not that I don't hear or like what you're saying.

00:48:01.080 --> 00:48:08.400
 My thinking is it's throwing some confusion into this, and we're going to have to rethink

00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.720
 it and discuss it, and then it's going to throw this timeline down, and that's my issue

00:48:13.720 --> 00:48:15.160
 with it.

00:48:15.160 --> 00:48:20.720
 It's not that I am necessarily opposed to it, but staff, nor us, nor anyone out there

00:48:20.720 --> 00:48:26.200
 has had any discussion about just automatically allowing multifamily NSC or some of these

00:48:26.200 --> 00:48:28.200
 other setbacks.

00:48:28.200 --> 00:48:29.200
 You know what I mean?

00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:37.320
 So that's why I'm hesitant to want to do that because I think it delays things, and I think

00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.400
 it would be better to move forward, and as Leah said, then let's hear this and keep discussing

00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:48.080
 this because we can always add that in.

00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:52.240
 That's just kind of where my brain is on that.

00:48:52.240 --> 00:49:04.000
 So I guess with what we discussed, the four are agreeing to both of those adjustments

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.000
 as you have here.

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:06.540
 So does that help?

00:49:06.540 --> 00:49:07.540
 That helps me, yes.

00:49:07.540 --> 00:49:08.540
 Okay.

00:49:08.540 --> 00:49:12.840
 But please do, you know, take everything that Commissioner Pruitt made, some great points

00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:20.440
 that need to be looked at and possibly added to this, you know, sooner than later.

00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:21.440
 Absolutely heard.

00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:22.440
 Okay.

00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.440
 Okay.

00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.040
 Thank you very much.

00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:26.040
 Okay.

00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:31.440
 We've got one more work session item.

00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.480
 That is 3B, PZ24167.

00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.360
 That is Received Report Holder Discussion Regarding North Central Texas Council, the

00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.720
 Government's Demographic Projections Update.

00:49:41.720 --> 00:49:42.720
 Hello.

00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:47.000
 Good evening, Chair and members of the Commission.

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:54.000
 Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:03.480
 I'm here to present regional demographic forecast process that NCDCOG is following to update

00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:11.160
 these demographics that are used as input to the regional travel demand model and for

00:50:11.160 --> 00:50:16.080
 decision-making process when it comes to transportation investments.

00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:25.520
 This presentation would include key items that focus on the whole process that NCDCOG

00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:32.720
 is following, including base data, county-level forecast targets, preliminary demographics,

00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:39.520
 and estimated traffic congestion levels, and, you know, what are the different options when

00:50:39.520 --> 00:50:47.200
 it comes to expansion and the growth process and local review process.

00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:55.360
 These aggregate travel demand forecast models are highly sophisticated tools that rely on

00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:03.080
 a lot of input datasets of different category, including demographic projections, household

00:51:03.080 --> 00:51:09.560
 incomes, and geographical boundaries at different resolutions.

00:51:09.560 --> 00:51:17.120
 And all of this data is fed to these aggregate models, which are mathematical models, essentially,

00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:24.920
 and then through the estimation process, these models forecast the output that would be used

00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.640
 for in the form of different scenarios.

00:51:27.640 --> 00:51:32.560
 This output is typically used for transportation investment decision-making process.

00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:39.360
 And mostly it is since they are aggregate in nature, the output would be used for regional

00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:40.880
 transportation investment decision.

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:48.480
 Some of the input for the base data would include stable data source, including census

00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:56.040
 data tracks and work data, work journey to work data, American Community Survey, and

00:51:56.040 --> 00:52:00.760
 any data set that could reflect on existing conditions.

00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:06.160
 Base data is basically the existing condition level where the model will forecast what the

00:52:06.160 --> 00:52:11.440
 existing conditions look like when it comes to transportation systems and their performance.

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:16.760
 And demographic synthesis is one of the inputs as well, where demographic projections are

00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:24.280
 used at different resolutions, be it traffic analysis zones or census tracks or block groups.

00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.720
 All of those, that information is aggregated typically on TAC level, which is traffic analysis

00:52:28.720 --> 00:52:37.200
 zone level, and then fed to these models to get the output in terms of traffic or transportation

00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:40.060
 level of service on the facilities.

00:52:40.060 --> 00:52:46.740
 And market activities captured as well in terms of what level of residential and commercial

00:52:46.740 --> 00:52:50.880
 activities are there in these geographic boundaries.

00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:57.220
 And then based on all of this data, different scenarios are developed and then modeled to

00:52:57.220 --> 00:53:00.660
 get the estimates.

00:53:00.660 --> 00:53:07.080
 Just to give a brief idea of what this projection resolution look like for the model or modeling

00:53:07.080 --> 00:53:11.580
 tools, which are essentially on aggregate level or simulation levels or micro simulation

00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:12.880
 level as well.

00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:18.200
 This is on aggregate level, this is what it would look like, where we will have city limits,

00:53:18.200 --> 00:53:21.640
 subdivisions, parks, block groups, and roads.

00:53:21.640 --> 00:53:27.320
 And these blue boundaries that we are seeing would be on aggregate TAC level, which will

00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:31.080
 include all this data for the model.

00:53:31.080 --> 00:53:32.420
 So that is one resolution.

00:53:32.420 --> 00:53:38.360
 But when we talk about projection resolutions on where we work, on what kind of resolution

00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:45.160
 we work with to provide, to aggregate these inputs of different demographics, this would

00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:52.900
 be the level where we would go into finer resolution, offer land use, we could use photos,

00:53:52.900 --> 00:54:02.320
 and also features that include different developments, from large to smaller developments as well.

00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:08.200
 The input development process with NCTCOG is based on finer grid level, millions of

00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:09.200
 grids.

00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:15.120
 So we have flexibility to use from TAC level, which is rather aggregate, which is blue colored,

00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:24.960
 these blue colored zones that I am showing, to the finest resolution of grid structure.

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:33.040
 So using all of this data, NCTCOG has already forecasted the data sets for different horizon

00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:34.040
 years.

00:54:34.040 --> 00:54:38.760
 2019 is base year where they are taking as existing conditions.

00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:44.520
 I know we are in 2024, but I think for modeling purposes to get a stable data set, they have

00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:52.600
 to rely on previous years where the data is stable and can be utilized with minimal skewness

00:54:52.600 --> 00:54:53.600
 in data.

00:54:53.600 --> 00:55:00.880
 So 2019 is set for this go round, which is every four years they update the data, this

00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:01.880
 modeling data.

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.920
 2019 is the base year.

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:10.800
 So that means essentially the model is assuming that this is the existing condition.

00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:19.160
 Based on the existing condition, the target population forecast shows that the city of

00:55:19.160 --> 00:55:24.560
 Denton, oh sorry, county of Denton, these are county level forecasts, county of Denton

00:55:24.560 --> 00:55:34.360
 is pretty much over 100%, you would see 100% over 100%, actually 110% increase, percentage

00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.600
 increase, percentage change, by between 2019 and 2050.

00:55:38.600 --> 00:55:44.680
 So that's just, and there's another important element to demographic data set that is fed

00:55:44.680 --> 00:55:52.320
 to the models, which is employment, which shows, and I apologize, this highlighted color

00:55:52.320 --> 00:56:00.600
 should be on Denton, for some reason it displayed maybe due to the different software application.

00:56:00.600 --> 00:56:08.560
 Denton shows again in terms of population over 127% growth when it comes to employment,

00:56:08.560 --> 00:56:15.720
 and that's pretty significant, and when we are talking about between 2019 to 2050.

00:56:15.720 --> 00:56:23.640
 And so we could look into the city level forecast as well, which shows that by 2035, Denton,

00:56:23.640 --> 00:56:30.240
 city of Denton would be in top 10 cities when it comes to population in the region.

00:56:30.240 --> 00:56:34.880
 And by 2050, this goes to seventh, rank seventh.

00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:40.280
 And the population would be literally doubled, more than double actually, when we compare

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.600
 to 2019.

00:56:43.600 --> 00:56:51.040
 And then NCTCOG's forecast shows that when it comes to employment, city of Denton would

00:56:51.040 --> 00:57:01.200
 be around seventh rank by 2035, and then by 2050, this would be sixth, ranking sixth,

00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:06.600
 when it comes to employment, more than double, doubling the employment.

00:57:06.600 --> 00:57:10.240
 So this is just the magnitude, just touching the magnitude of what kind of magnitude we

00:57:10.240 --> 00:57:18.200
 are looking at when it comes to demographic growth in our city, and how this could change

00:57:18.200 --> 00:57:23.200
 the transportation matrix as well.

00:57:23.200 --> 00:57:28.600
 Next three slides will show you the resolution, how the resolution on population density changes

00:57:28.600 --> 00:57:32.880
 when it comes to 2019, 2035, and 2050.

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.160
 These are the three major horizon years.

00:57:35.160 --> 00:57:46.680
 2019 is the base year, 2035, and 2050 are the phases, where NCTCOG believes that they

00:57:46.680 --> 00:57:49.440
 will have phases for future forecasts.

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.880
 So imagine this is 2019, and it's showing population density.

00:57:53.880 --> 00:58:00.640
 And so for reference, we have Denton labels there, and then this whole northern block

00:58:00.640 --> 00:58:06.160
 is Denton County, and the Denton label shows the major Denton city area.

00:58:06.160 --> 00:58:11.760
 And see how population density is changing color, which is going from lighter shades

00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:16.280
 of green to even to blue.

00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:24.440
 And then further, by 2050, it just goes to darker shades of blue, which shows towards

00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:29.920
 maximum density per square mile.

00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:37.520
 We have a similar trend, actually, more drastic increase in terms of employment.

00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:44.840
 So this is 2019 employment density, and see how these shades of blue are increasing when

00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.320
 it comes to Denton.

00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.720
 And of course, it is relative, but the change is there.

00:58:49.720 --> 00:58:56.840
 The significant change of employment, which is over, I think, twice.

00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:05.920
 It goes to twice when it comes to the range between 2019 to 2050.

00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:11.160
 This map shows the traffic congestion level in terms of level of service changes, the

00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:13.680
 red being severe congestion.

00:59:13.680 --> 00:59:18.400
 And so in the lighter shades of red or pink is light congestion.

00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:25.920
 So look how that area in close to Denton city would change when it comes to a range between

00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:34.080
 2023 and 2045 and 2050.

00:59:34.080 --> 00:59:38.840
 And so this essentially shows us that the growth is there, the population growth is

00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.440
 there, the employment growth is there.

00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:50.440
 And in order to tackle these demographic growth challenges, we need to provide appropriate

00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:57.400
 transportation options, including multimodal options, including a diverse set of transportation

00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:58.400
 strategies.

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.360
 And that emphasizes that we need to start looking into that.

01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.620
 And that's what NCTCOG is emphasizing as well.

01:00:05.620 --> 01:00:11.320
 They have written a memo of Transit 2.0, which we are also considering for this process.

01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:19.320
 Again, 2019 demand flow currents, this is basically showing if we remove all the barriers

01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:26.240
 for this growth in demographics where people would travel when it comes to 2019 at this

01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:28.760
 range of 2019 to 2050.

01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:32.800
 And so this is 2019, which is existing conditions for the model.

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:39.800
 And if we remove all the barriers and tell that these growing demographics that there's

01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:47.400
 no latency, no congestion, and we can travel wherever we would like to travel and look

01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.440
 how the model trends.

01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:56.160
 Look, the growth is going towards all different directions and towards Denton as well.

01:00:56.160 --> 01:01:03.600
 And so that's just a small, there are many other slides we could include, but I think

01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:08.440
 these are the main ones where we could show how the demographics over the years, in coming

01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:13.920
 years in the near future, are changing, drastically changing, and we have to act fast to make

01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:18.840
 sure that we address this change.

01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:24.840
 So NCTCOG is now asking local jurisdictions to provide the feedback.

01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.960
 They have prepared these forecasts using the best practice statistical methods and mathematical

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:31.960
 models.

01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:37.280
 They have confidence, but they are saying that, look, we are still giving the local

01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:41.680
 jurisdiction opportunity that if you feel that we have missed something when it comes

01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:48.000
 to population, employment density, population densities, or you have some developments which

01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:54.620
 they missed, we have this opportunity to make sure that we include those in these projections

01:01:54.620 --> 01:02:00.520
 and then so that when the time comes for the transportation investment decisions, our feedback

01:02:00.520 --> 01:02:06.280
 is there and then our developments are there and they can impact these decisions.

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:13.040
 For that, we are, so that's essentially why the local review is required because we have

01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:21.540
 to make sure that these new developments or population changes are reflected as the city

01:02:21.540 --> 01:02:24.840
 sees them or staff sees them.

01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:32.760
 And so here we are using this tool that has been provided by, it is a web-based application.

01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:39.080
 We are, staff is looking at this, using this tool, and then we'll be providing the feedback.

01:02:39.080 --> 01:02:47.320
 In this process, we are going, we will be looking at 2019, 2035, and 2050 projections.

01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:52.400
 We have developed the process where we have a team, interdepartmental team that we are,

01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:57.040
 staff is relying on, and then we are also, as part of this process, reaching out to external

01:02:57.040 --> 01:03:05.520
 stakeholders, including developers, hospitals, school, DISD, many, many stakeholders.

01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:10.280
 We are reaching out and asking them that, you know, how your development will, how your

01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:16.680
 organization is planning to expand and in terms of population and employment, what feedback

01:03:16.680 --> 01:03:17.680
 do you have?

01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:19.640
 All of this will be incorporated.

01:03:19.640 --> 01:03:25.920
 The timeline is August 30 to provide this feedback, but staff is targeting that before

01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:33.360
 August 25, we will have it ready, and it will be reviewed by many departments.

01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:41.400
 And once finalized, we will submit this information to the NCT call.

01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.480
 And this process is then repeated every four years.

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.560
 So next, you know, this will be stable.

01:03:46.560 --> 01:03:53.520
 The model will start using them for the investment process, and then once the process is complete,

01:03:53.520 --> 01:03:57.380
 it will be reiterated, the base year would be changed, and then the projection years

01:03:57.380 --> 01:04:00.800
 would change as well.

01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:06.740
 We are reaching out to different departments, and we hope to, we have frequent meetings

01:04:06.740 --> 01:04:12.400
 set up with this team, internal team, including city staff and some leadership members as

01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.400
 well.

01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.480
 And then we hope to complete this process.

01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.240
 If there are any questions, I'm here to answer.

01:04:19.240 --> 01:04:23.880
 Thank you for your time.

01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:24.880
 Questions?

01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:25.880
 Yeah, Commissioner Pruitt.

01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.120
 Thank you, Chair.

01:04:28.120 --> 01:04:32.720
 I could dig for hours, but I won't do that, I promise you.

01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:38.720
 I mostly found it interesting that you talked about how at several different geographic

01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:46.280
 levels the land uses are considered within creating this model.

01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:57.320
 When we hear land use applications, there's frequently a traffic study, traffic something,

01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.100
 TIS impact.

01:05:00.100 --> 01:05:03.200
 Words are failing me today.

01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:09.100
 And I've always had a hard time reconciling the trip generation manual numbers that get

01:05:09.100 --> 01:05:16.480
 used within the TISs with the, well, but if we are essentially mixing uses more than they

01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:21.000
 were before, trip length should shorten and therefore congestion should go down.

01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.240
 Can you help us understand how we should process those types of things?

01:05:25.240 --> 01:05:30.160
 So essentially the process has to rely on trip generation manual.

01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:35.360
 That's pretty standard when it comes to traffic TIAs or TISs, and then corridor studies as

01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:36.360
 well.

01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:41.800
 The challenge is that, and that's where this demographic projection would come into play,

01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:48.520
 because if, imagine, we are part of the region in that model that NCTCOG is using doesn't

01:05:48.520 --> 01:05:56.560
 reflect those muds or those mixed use developments or any large industrial development and is

01:05:56.560 --> 01:06:02.480
 not reflecting the employment categories, which include industrial or office, then it

01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:08.080
 means that we are missing that opportunity and model will read that, nope, this is still

01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:14.960
 rural, this is not developing, and I'm not going to, the model will not emphasize on

01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.680
 developing any, will not favor that scenario.

01:06:18.680 --> 01:06:23.120
 And the model will favor some other scenario where those developments are coming.

01:06:23.120 --> 01:06:29.440
 So that's why I think in the process we have to ensure that it's not only trip generation

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:35.480
 manual would come at a second stage where we have land use, but to begin with, if we

01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:42.160
 don't have land use correctly incorporated into the model, the TIA would read that land

01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:48.560
 use as rural or not some development, then trip generation manual fails.

01:06:48.560 --> 01:06:56.600
 So that's why it is essential that we incorporate those new land uses, those new developments.

01:06:56.600 --> 01:07:00.920
 It won't be precise, but if we could get 80% curve of diminishing return, I think this

01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:01.920
 will be good.

01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:02.920
 - Thank you.

01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:03.920
 - Anybody else?

01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:04.920
 Absolutely fascinating data.

01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:05.920
 Thank you for sharing that, truly.

01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:06.920
 - Thank you so much.

01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:07.920
 - Wow, yeah.

01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:08.920
 - Thanks.

01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:09.920
 - That was really great.

01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:14.900
 Appreciate you being here to do that and share that with us.

01:07:14.900 --> 01:07:16.320
 Thank you.

01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.360
 Okay, that concludes our work session.

01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:25.680
 So we will adjourn at 610 and reconvene at 630 for our regular meeting in council chambers.

01:07:25.680 --> 01:07:33.680
 Thank you.

01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:36.520
 - Good evening and welcome to the city of Netons planning and zoning commission meeting

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 for Wednesday, August 14th, 2024.

01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.400
 Thank you for your patience with our quorum present.

01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.260
 Call us to order at 635 PM.

01:07:46.260 --> 01:07:51.520
 First item of business on our agenda is the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance and also to the

01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:56.800
 Texas flag.

01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:10.800
 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:11.800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:12.800
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one nation,

01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:13.800
 indivisible.

01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:14.800
 Yeehaw.

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 - Thank you.

01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:27.380
 Our first item of business is to consider the approval of our minutes from July 17th

01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:30.200
 and July 24th.

01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:31.200
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:08:31.200 --> 01:08:32.200
 - Move approval.

01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:33.200
 - Commissioner Cole.

01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:34.200
 - Second.

01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:38.320
 - Commissioner Villarreal, is that the approval of both minutes?

01:08:38.320 --> 01:08:39.320
 - That is correct.

01:08:39.320 --> 01:08:40.320
 - Okay.

01:08:40.320 --> 01:08:41.320
 And Commissioner Cole.

01:08:41.320 --> 01:08:42.320
 All right.

01:08:42.320 --> 01:08:43.320
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

01:08:43.320 --> 01:08:44.320
 Any discussion?

01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:45.320
 Okay.

01:08:45.320 --> 01:08:54.160
 Let's vote, please.

01:08:54.160 --> 01:08:56.160
 That motion carries 6-0.

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 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening.

01:09:01.120 --> 01:09:02.120
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:09:02.120 --> 01:09:03.120
 - Move approval.

01:09:03.120 --> 01:09:04.120
 - Commissioner Cole.

01:09:04.120 --> 01:09:05.120
 - Second.

01:09:05.120 --> 01:09:06.120
 - Okay.

01:09:06.120 --> 01:09:08.360
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the consent agenda.

01:09:08.360 --> 01:09:09.360
 Any discussion?

01:09:09.360 --> 01:09:10.360
 Okay.

01:09:10.360 --> 01:09:19.280
 Let's vote, please.

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 That motion carries 6-0.

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 That will take us to our items for individual consideration.

01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:27.920
 Our first being 4A, FP 240026.

01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:28.920
 Hello, Sean.

01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.320
 - Good evening, Chair and members of the commission.

01:09:31.320 --> 01:09:37.880
 Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FP 2426.

01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.680
 Let's get this pulled up here.

01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:43.800
 All right.

01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.120
 And this is a proposed plat for the Asintio Ventures Addition.

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:49.840
 This would be a two-lot plat.

01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:55.760
 They have not yet met our criteria for approval and therefore staff is recommending denial.

01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:59.820
 But staff has no objection to the requested extension, which would be granted to a date

01:09:59.820 --> 01:10:01.920
 certain of September 11th, 2024.

01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.000
 Happy to answer any questions.

01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:06.000
 - Thank you, Sean.

01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.000
 Questions for Sean?

01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:08.000
 Okay.

01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.720
 I do not see any.

01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.880
 Thank you.

01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:16.880
 Commissioner Cole?

01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:24.160
 - I make a motion to approve extension to September 11th, 2024.

01:10:24.160 --> 01:10:25.160
 - Thank you.

01:10:25.160 --> 01:10:26.160
 Commissioner Thaggard?

01:10:26.160 --> 01:10:27.160
 - Second.

01:10:27.160 --> 01:10:30.160
 - We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of

01:10:30.160 --> 01:10:33.080
 September 11th, 2024.

01:10:33.080 --> 01:10:34.080
 Any discussion?

01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:35.080
 Okay.

01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:42.280
 Let's vote, please.

01:10:42.280 --> 01:10:43.840
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:48.680
 That will take us to 4B, FP 240023.

01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:51.080
 Angie is presenting that item this evening.

01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:52.080
 - Hey.

01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:53.080
 Good evening.

01:10:53.080 --> 01:10:55.860
 Angie Mingleris, Development Review Manager.

01:10:55.860 --> 01:10:59.160
 This is FP 240023.

01:10:59.160 --> 01:11:03.720
 This is a final plot for an approximately 15-acre tract of land generally located to

01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:07.800
 the north of Fish Trap and west of Greenleaf Circle.

01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:11.520
 The intent of this plot is to create a lot of record, and at the time, the plot does

01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.720
 not meet all of our criteria for approval.

01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.280
 Staff is recommending denial, but have no objection to the requested extension, which

01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:19.360
 could be granted to September 11th.

01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:20.520
 Happy to answer any questions.

01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:21.680
 - Thank you very much.

01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:24.880
 Any questions for Angie?

01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:29.640
 Thank you.

01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.480
 Chair can entertain the floor for a motion or discussion.

01:11:33.480 --> 01:11:35.440
 Commissioner Perrett?

01:11:35.440 --> 01:11:40.600
 - Move approval of the applicant requested extension to September 11th, 2024.

01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:41.600
 - Thank you.

01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.600
 Commissioner Thaggard?

01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:43.600
 - Second.

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:44.600
 - Okay.

01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:46.320
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September

01:11:46.320 --> 01:11:48.880
 11th, 2024.

01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:49.880
 Any discussion?

01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:50.880
 Okay.

01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:58.360
 Let's vote, please.

01:11:58.360 --> 01:11:59.960
 That motion will carry 6-0.

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 That'll take us to 4C, FR240005.

01:12:05.280 --> 01:12:06.280
 Bryce is here for presentation.

01:12:06.280 --> 01:12:07.280
 Hello.

01:12:07.280 --> 01:12:08.280
 - Good evening, Commission.

01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:09.280
 Bryce VanArsdale, Assistant Planner.

01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:10.280
 This is FR240005.

01:12:10.280 --> 01:12:20.880
 This is a final replat for approximately 36 acres, one-half mile south of Bonnie Bray Road

01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:23.040
 and on the north side of Roselon Drive.

01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:29.280
 While this plot currently does not meet our criteria for approval, staff has no objection

01:12:29.280 --> 01:12:31.760
 to the requested extension to a date certain of September 11th.

01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:33.740
 I'll stand for any questions.

01:12:33.740 --> 01:12:35.080
 - Thank you, Bryce.

01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:36.360
 Any questions?

01:12:36.360 --> 01:12:37.360
 Okay.

01:12:37.360 --> 01:12:42.760
 I do have one card wishing to speak on this item and that is Jennifer Lane.

01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:47.480
 I'll have you come up and state your name and your time will begin.

01:12:47.480 --> 01:12:48.480
 Hi.

01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:49.480
 - Hi there.

01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:50.480
 Jennifer Lane, Denton, Texas, 76205.

01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:55.720
 I want to speak on this item just because this is an item of interest to me because

01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:58.040
 it's in my area.

01:12:58.040 --> 01:13:02.840
 And the reason I want to speak to it is because I feel no matter how many times I come here

01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.120
 and how much I learn about the city, I always feel naive.

01:13:06.120 --> 01:13:11.420
 And in this case, back when this property was first being discussed and what was going

01:13:11.420 --> 01:13:17.120
 to happen to it and all the destruction of the old growth trees on it, there were community

01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:19.600
 meetings with Kimley Horne.

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:26.260
 And I found later that Kimley Horne appears on almost every other city council and planning

01:13:26.260 --> 01:13:28.220
 and zoning agenda.

01:13:28.220 --> 01:13:34.200
 And I realized that companies, the engineering companies that the city uses are also the

01:13:34.200 --> 01:13:38.820
 same ones that the private investors and developers use.

01:13:38.820 --> 01:13:41.920
 And there's a kind of a have your cake and eat it too quality to this.

01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:51.560
 And I feel that the city could be more demanding when it could use the court of public opinion

01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:58.560
 in terms of getting better, more satisfying results for the community.

01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:02.780
 When the community expresses its desires regarding properties, we're going to see this a lot

01:14:02.780 --> 01:14:08.160
 in the upcoming weeks and months with so many developments coming forward and so many large

01:14:08.160 --> 01:14:15.520
 areas with so much old growth forest on them that whereas there may be hesitation regarding

01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.080
 some of the legal structures that affect the state of Texas and then spill over into the

01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:25.360
 city, what we do have the power to say is, you know, if you guys at such and such a firm

01:14:25.360 --> 01:14:32.620
 does not satisfy our constituents, our citizens, we don't have to hire you for city projects

01:14:32.620 --> 01:14:39.440
 and we don't have to use you when you are not really particularly cooperative when we

01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:40.840
 need you to be.

01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:44.280
 And Kimley Horne is just one example, but they crop up a lot.

01:14:44.280 --> 01:14:48.120
 They're on city council agendas all the time and they're the engineer for this property

01:14:48.120 --> 01:14:55.600
 and it was a struggle to talk with them and way too many trees in that forest were lost

01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:03.160
 and not enough of what the community was asking for was accomplished regarding the Rose Lawn

01:15:03.160 --> 01:15:04.540
 property there.

01:15:04.540 --> 01:15:10.360
 The Eagle Creek, that was a really sad time for Deanie and neighborhood to see what happened

01:15:10.360 --> 01:15:11.360
 there.

01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:12.360
 That's it.

01:15:12.360 --> 01:15:13.360
 Thanks.

01:15:13.360 --> 01:15:15.480
 Keep your eyes on your people that you hire is my point.

01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:16.480
 Thanks.

01:15:16.480 --> 01:15:19.280
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:21.000
 Okay.

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:26.000
 That'll lead us back to the floor for discussion or emotion regarding item four C.

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:31.160
 I'll commissioner approve it.

01:15:31.160 --> 01:15:36.440
 Move approval of the applicant requested extension to a date certain of September 11th, 2024.

01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:37.440
 Thank you.

01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:38.440
 Commissioner Cole.

01:15:38.440 --> 01:15:39.440
 Second.

01:15:39.440 --> 01:15:42.000
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.000
 11th, 2024.

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.080
 Okay.

01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:55.880
 Let's vote please.

01:15:55.880 --> 01:16:02.160
 That motion will carry five one.

01:16:02.160 --> 01:16:06.120
 That will take us to four D, FR240008.

01:16:06.120 --> 01:16:07.120
 Hi Julie.

01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:08.120
 Hi.

01:16:08.120 --> 01:16:09.120
 Good evening.

01:16:09.120 --> 01:16:11.800
 I'm Julie Wyatt and I'm presenting FR24-8.

01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.240
 This is a replat within the country lakes edition.

01:16:15.240 --> 01:16:18.880
 The purpose of it is to remove an easement that is no longer needed nor does it have

01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:22.960
 any public infrastructure in it.

01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:24.240
 Staff recommends denial at this time.

01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:27.640
 They have a few things that they do need to work through in order to meet the criteria

01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:33.240
 for approval, but we have no objection to the requested extension to September 11th.

01:16:33.240 --> 01:16:37.080
 This is the first extension request that has come before you.

01:16:37.080 --> 01:16:38.240
 Thanks, Julie.

01:16:38.240 --> 01:16:39.520
 Appreciate it.

01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:40.520
 Bye.

01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:41.520
 Thanks.

01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:42.520
 Bye.

01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:43.520
 Thank you.

01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:46.680
 Any discussion or motion?

01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:47.680
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:52.440
 I'll move approval of the applicant requested extension to a date certain of September 11th,

01:16:52.440 --> 01:16:53.640
 2024.

01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:54.640
 Thank you.

01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:55.640
 Commissioner Thagard.

01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:56.640
 Second.

01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:01.760
 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September 11th,

01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:02.760
 2024.

01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:03.760
 Any discussion?

01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:04.760
 Okay.

01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:12.320
 Let's vote, please.

01:17:12.320 --> 01:17:14.320
 That motion will carry 6-0.

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:17.920
 That will take us to 4-E, ZCP 240015.

01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:21.320
 Mia is here for presentation.

01:17:21.320 --> 01:17:22.320
 Hi, Mia.

01:17:22.320 --> 01:17:23.320
 Hello.

01:17:23.320 --> 01:17:29.760
 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Senior Planner, and this item is

01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:35.280
 a zoning compliance plan for a multifamily residential development in Razor Ranch.

01:17:35.280 --> 01:17:39.500
 The request, again, is to consider a site plan approval for that multifamily residential

01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:40.500
 development.

01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:48.080
 The site is 6.41 acres located at the southeast corner of Crescent Street and East Park Boulevard.

01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:54.600
 And then surrounding this property and previous ZCP approvals that this body has seen is a

01:17:54.600 --> 01:18:01.960
 multifamily development to the north and south, the Razor Cottages to the east, and then to

01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:08.200
 the west is the, across East Park Boulevard is the park, that central park for Razor Ranch.

01:18:08.200 --> 01:18:13.360
 The zoning for this site or the base zoning for this site under the Razor Ranch overlay

01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:18.480
 is SMUD 2, which stands for South Mixed Use District 2.

01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:26.640
 The uses specified for this area are big homes, multifamily residential, single family residential,

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.640
 and offices.

01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:34.000
 And this particular site is within the multifamily density zone where we are encouraging density

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.800
 within the Razor Ranch overlay development.

01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:41.600
 And so with that, we are looking at their site plans and review, putting them up against

01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:42.600
 the criteria.

01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:48.960
 Specifically, we're looking at the recently adopted in Appendix A, ORDDC, Exhibit C2A

01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:56.240
 and D2 for the architectural and site development standards that are applicable to this site.

01:18:56.240 --> 01:18:59.600
 And the criteria for approval, we're wanting to make sure that they substantially comply

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:07.980
 with the zoning concept and schematic plans for Razor, that they are providing a compatible

01:19:07.980 --> 01:19:12.440
 arrangement of buildings, that the site plans provides for adequate and safe circulation

01:19:12.440 --> 01:19:16.520
 of vehicular traffic, and that the plan fully complies with all other sections of the overlay

01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:17.520
 district.

01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:23.180
 So just to walk you through some of how they are applying or meeting that criteria.

01:19:23.180 --> 01:19:26.480
 Again, this is a multifamily residential building.

01:19:26.480 --> 01:19:32.360
 They are proposing four buildings with 192 units, an amenity building, a pool courtyard,

01:19:32.360 --> 01:19:35.780
 outdoor courtyard area, a small dark park.

01:19:35.780 --> 01:19:41.200
 They have parking in relation to the amount of units and bedrooms that they are proposing.

01:19:41.200 --> 01:19:46.160
 As far as driveway circulations, they have one driveway onto Crescent Street there to

01:19:46.160 --> 01:19:55.280
 the north where all functions, you can turn in and out right and also go straight to the

01:19:55.280 --> 01:20:00.920
 development to the north of that, and then to the south to Linden Drive.

01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:03.560
 Those are right in and right out options.

01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:10.360
 So full mobility options, vehicular, several pedestrian connections, including those directly

01:20:10.360 --> 01:20:16.080
 serving the building for that linear, longer building along East Park Boulevard, and again,

01:20:16.080 --> 01:20:20.760
 some of the site amenities include a pool and courtyard and a dog park, and then that

01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.960
 amenity buildings that they are proposing on the site.

01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:29.700
 As far as landscaping, they are meeting the minimum requirements at 12% of landscape area

01:20:29.700 --> 01:20:32.840
 coverage and 47% tree canopy coverage.

01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:37.640
 They have proposed alternative street tree locations along, not Western University, sorry,

01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:41.120
 Massachusetts Hypo, that's along Crescent Street there because there is an existing

01:20:41.120 --> 01:20:47.320
 easement along that property line, so there are alternative locations for street trees

01:20:47.320 --> 01:20:50.040
 that are supposed to be there placed throughout the site.

01:20:50.040 --> 01:20:54.240
 They are proposing landscape berms to screen parking where it's visible.

01:20:54.240 --> 01:20:58.360
 For the most part, we've activated the street frontage with buildings where we've pushed

01:20:58.360 --> 01:21:02.560
 the buildings right up to the street and the parking is sort of inset, but where there

01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:07.320
 are gaps and parking could potentially be visible, they've included berms to further

01:21:07.320 --> 01:21:09.040
 screen that parking.

01:21:09.040 --> 01:21:13.840
 Additionally, the tree canopy buffer between this multi-family development and the existing

01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:19.720
 or the not developed yet but plotted out and infrastructure is in place for the Razor cottages

01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:20.720
 to the east.

01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.000
 There is a significant buffer area there is also.

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.640
 So here included in your backup are the elevations just to give you an idea of what it looks

01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:28.640
 like.

01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:35.840
 As far as building material goes, it is complementary to the rest of that area in Razor, and again,

01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:37.720
 these are the criteria that we put them up against.

01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:43.720
 So they are complying with the concept plan that was adopted with the Razor Ranch Overlay

01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:44.720
 District.

01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:51.400
 They have provided for compatible arrangements of buildings and do not propose to adversely

01:21:51.400 --> 01:21:54.520
 impact the adjoining neighborhood.

01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:59.480
 As you saw on the site plan, they do provide for adequate and safe circulation of vehicular

01:21:59.480 --> 01:22:06.160
 traffic as well as unique pedestrian connections through the site and to the exterior of the

01:22:06.160 --> 01:22:09.800
 site, and it does comply with those exhibits that I mentioned earlier that are specific

01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.400
 to this sub area of Razor.

01:22:12.400 --> 01:22:16.560
 So with that, staff is recommending approval, and I will gladly take any questions you have

01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:17.560
 at this time.

01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.400
 Thank you very much, Mia.

01:22:19.400 --> 01:22:23.400
 Any questions for Mia?

01:22:23.400 --> 01:22:24.400
 Thank you.

01:22:24.400 --> 01:22:26.400
 Great presentation as always.

01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:38.520
 Okay, we can open the floor for discussion or a motion.

01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:42.200
 I will go ahead and move approval of this item as presented.

01:22:42.200 --> 01:22:43.200
 Commissioner Thaggard?

01:22:43.200 --> 01:22:44.200
 Second.

01:22:44.200 --> 01:22:47.120
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval.

01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:49.120
 Any discussion?

01:22:49.120 --> 01:23:00.160
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please.

01:23:00.160 --> 01:23:01.800
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:07.160
 That will take us to 4-F, FR24-0006.

01:23:07.160 --> 01:23:09.400
 Mia is here for that presentation as well.

01:23:09.400 --> 01:23:14.760
 Evening again, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hunt, senior planner.

01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:20.640
 This item is a final replat for Hickory Grove Phase 1A.

01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:26.320
 This property is located in the city of UTJ, north of West University Drive and west of

01:23:26.320 --> 01:23:27.920
 Thomas J. Egan Road.

01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:32.800
 At the time of the publishing of this agenda and the backup, the plat was not ready for

01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:34.800
 approval, and so staff was recommending denial.

01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:38.960
 However, we have worked with the applicant since then to get it to a state of approval

01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:43.040
 to satisfy all of those comments, and so we are recommending approval of this plat this

01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:47.400
 evening, of the forwarded version, the version that was forwarded to you this afternoon.

01:23:47.400 --> 01:23:48.400
 Yes, thank you.

01:23:48.400 --> 01:23:50.280
 With that, I will take any questions you have.

01:23:50.280 --> 01:23:53.280
 Thank you very much.

01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:54.400
 Questions?

01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:58.760
 Thank you.

01:23:58.760 --> 01:23:59.760
 Commissioner Villarreal?

01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:01.160
 Move approval.

01:24:01.160 --> 01:24:02.160
 Commissioner Cole?

01:24:02.160 --> 01:24:03.160
 Second.

01:24:03.160 --> 01:24:05.560
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:06.560
 Discussion?

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:14.240
 Okay, let's vote, please.

01:24:14.240 --> 01:24:15.240
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:24:15.240 --> 01:24:19.400
 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening.

01:24:19.400 --> 01:24:31.000
 Items 5A, PD23001B and 5B, Z220018B, those are being requested by the applicant to be

01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.600
 postponed indefinitely.

01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:38.960
 So we will not be taking action on those items other than to close the public hearing.

01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:42.000
 The public hearings for both of those items were open at our last meeting and they were

01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.240
 left open thinking we would hear the item today.

01:24:45.240 --> 01:24:46.560
 We will not.

01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:54.000
 If ever those items do come back before us, that will be renoticed as applicable for that

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.880
 public hearing at that time.

01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:01.500
 So with that, I will close both those public hearings for 5A and B, and we will go ahead

01:25:01.500 --> 01:25:05.480
 and move to 5C, CA240003.

01:25:05.480 --> 01:25:09.280
 I will open that public hearing and Cameron is here for presentation.

01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:10.280
 Hi.

01:25:10.280 --> 01:25:11.280
 Hello.

01:25:11.280 --> 01:25:16.640
 Good evening Chair, Commission, Cameron Robertson, Principal Planner.

01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:27.840
 Okay, let me get this full screen on, there we go.

01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.480
 So thank you so much.

01:25:29.480 --> 01:25:35.000
 We are delighted to present to you all this evening the Design Downtown Denton Plan.

01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.600
 We do have some members of the project team here this evening.

01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.640
 First we have Sean Jacobson.

01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:46.200
 He is the Deputy Project Manager for the plan, also my right-hand man throughout all of this

01:25:46.200 --> 01:25:49.200
 when I joined the team in August of 2023.

01:25:49.200 --> 01:25:54.920
 We do have Gary Packen, Director of Parks and Recreation, as well as Kristen Polito,

01:25:54.920 --> 01:26:00.520
 our Main Street Program Manager, and then lastly we have Zach Lockrum, our Project Manager

01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:02.960
 from Men Collaborative.

01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:07.240
 So before I pass the mic on to Zach, I just wanted to say a few words.

01:26:07.240 --> 01:26:14.200
 So this plan for Downtown Denton, it really is a community-driven and formulated plan

01:26:14.200 --> 01:26:18.600
 that truly reflects the love that Dentonites have for their downtown.

01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.160
 Over the course of the last year, through our different forms of engagement, we have

01:26:22.160 --> 01:26:26.160
 received thousands of comments from Dentonites that demonstrate the importance of downtown's

01:26:26.160 --> 01:26:27.920
 future success.

01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:31.920
 The community responses, which include not only their dreams for the area, but also their

01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:36.920
 concerns, are the foundation of the plan before you all tonight, and we look forward to hearing

01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:37.920
 your comments.

01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:45.120
 And with that, I'm going to pass it to Zach.

01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:46.120
 Thank you, Cameron.

01:26:46.120 --> 01:26:47.120
 Thank you all.

01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:48.120
 I'm very excited to be here with you.

01:26:48.120 --> 01:26:49.120
 My name is Zach Lockrum.

01:26:49.120 --> 01:26:53.760
 I'm a partner at Men Collaborative, and we have been working with the City of Denton over

01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.480
 the past year to develop the Design Downtown Denton Plan.

01:26:57.480 --> 01:27:00.320
 I want to also acknowledge the rest of our team.

01:27:00.320 --> 01:27:06.560
 We've been joined by specialists in transportation, historic preservation, and economic development

01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:11.560
 from Nelson-Nygard Post Oak Preservation Solutions, Catalyst Urban Planning, and the William

01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:14.480
 Fulton Group in the development of this plan.

01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:18.440
 Tonight, I'm going to give you a brief project overview, present some of the highlights of

01:27:18.440 --> 01:27:24.240
 the Downtown Denton Plan, receive recommendations and discussion from you, and then your role

01:27:24.240 --> 01:27:29.400
 today is to receive this presentation and take action on the draft plan as endorsed

01:27:29.400 --> 01:27:32.400
 by our advisory group.

01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:34.640
 We've been working on this project for about a year.

01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:37.760
 We started around June of last year.

01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:41.280
 We've moved through four kind of key phases.

01:27:41.280 --> 01:27:46.200
 In the first phase, we were working with the community to understand key issues, challenges,

01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:51.280
 desires, and goals as a part of the planning process.

01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:57.640
 In the second phase, we developed strategies to reflect on the goals that have been set.

01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.460
 In the final phase, the ACT phase, we were working on implementation strategies for how

01:28:01.460 --> 01:28:06.680
 we would actually achieve those as a community, and now we are working with you to adopt the

01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:07.680
 plan.

01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:13.720
 The study area went from University on the North, Carroll on the West, Eagle on the South,

01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:16.740
 and then Bell on the East side.

01:28:16.740 --> 01:28:22.320
 I will mention that, as you all are aware, there has been a parallel process for Southeast

01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:23.320
 Denton.

01:28:23.320 --> 01:28:27.680
 We've been working very closely to ensure that this plan, that plan are compatible and

01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:33.240
 that the edges between these communities, which are of course very, very important,

01:28:33.240 --> 01:28:38.040
 are compatibly planned throughout that process.

01:28:38.040 --> 01:28:44.160
 We've had a great deal of public engagement, both from our team as well as the team here

01:28:44.160 --> 01:28:46.440
 at the City of Denton.

01:28:46.440 --> 01:28:52.380
 We've really engaged in a hybrid process where we were using both online and in-person ways

01:28:52.380 --> 01:28:55.840
 of reaching out to people, so anything that we did in person, you had the opportunity

01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.840
 to do online and vice versa.

01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:05.040
 We've had very literally thousands of Dentonites contribute ideas, thoughts, concerns, and

01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:10.680
 desires to this process throughout the past year.

01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:15.480
 Working with our advisory group, we developed a vision statement that puts forward what

01:29:15.480 --> 01:29:19.800
 it is that we're really trying to achieve with this 10- to 15-year vision, as well as

01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:24.600
 defining specific community priorities in these eight areas, so all of the recommendations

01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:32.200
 that have been developed are set to help achieve one or more of these community priorities.

01:29:32.200 --> 01:29:37.180
 Overall, the plan has 23 recommendations, and I'm not going to go through all of them

01:29:37.180 --> 01:29:41.520
 today, but I'm going to give you a pretty quick overview of some of the highlights,

01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:48.080
 some of the key action items that have been really defined by the community through prioritization

01:29:48.080 --> 01:29:52.760
 exercises that we've done with them, as well as some of the first-step items that need

01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:58.200
 to be done in order to help see the plan be implemented in the long term.

01:29:58.200 --> 01:30:03.620
 The plan is divided into four sections, and in general, these sections move from the areas

01:30:03.620 --> 01:30:09.280
 where we have the most control as a city to the areas where we have more influential control

01:30:09.280 --> 01:30:15.880
 but are really working with our private sector developers and private sector actors.

01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:20.280
 The first section focuses on utilizing downtown Denton's street space.

01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:24.180
 The streets and public realm are actually most of the property that the city owns and

01:30:24.180 --> 01:30:29.240
 has control of within the downtown, and so making sure that we have strategies to utilize

01:30:29.240 --> 01:30:34.720
 them that meet the goals of downtown from the perspective of economic development, from

01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:41.120
 the perspective of community priorities, walkability, and so on are extremely important.

01:30:41.120 --> 01:30:44.760
 Throughout this process, one of the main things that we did hear from the community is that

01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:49.860
 one of the things that makes downtown so special, one of the competitive advantages economically

01:30:49.860 --> 01:30:55.120
 is the walkability, so a lot of these recommendations do focus on the ways that we can continue

01:30:55.120 --> 01:31:01.840
 to make downtown a walkable, safe, enjoyable environment.

01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:07.280
 The first set of recommendations focuses on some of the short-term potential in actually

01:31:07.280 --> 01:31:10.600
 re-utilizing street space in slightly different ways.

01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:15.240
 These are recommendations, in most cases, moving from a four-lane cross-section to action

01:31:15.240 --> 01:31:20.900
 on some of the major streets around downtown that are put forward to improve walkability

01:31:20.900 --> 01:31:22.000
 but also safety.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:27.340
 A lot of traffic incidents, which we mapped, happen when cars are turning.

01:31:27.340 --> 01:31:31.040
 When you have four lanes, oftentimes cars are stopping in the middle of the street to

01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:32.040
 turn.

01:31:32.040 --> 01:31:36.180
 People don't see, run into things, a lot of those things, sorts of challenges happen,

01:31:36.180 --> 01:31:40.860
 so what the plan suggests is actually replacing some of those four-lane cross-sections with

01:31:40.860 --> 01:31:41.860
 three lanes.

01:31:41.860 --> 01:31:45.360
 So it would be one lane that's going through and then turn lanes so that we can actually

01:31:45.360 --> 01:31:46.760
 avoid some of those challenges.

01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:51.360
 This also has the advantage of creating some new opportunities for additional parking space,

01:31:51.360 --> 01:31:56.880
 for additional pedestrian space, or for additional space for planted trees in the long term.

01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:02.040
 The second recommendation that I'll talk briefly about is the idea of pedestrian priority routes

01:32:02.040 --> 01:32:04.960
 and the Denton Chill Streets.

01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:09.100
 When we worked through prioritization with the community, this was the top vote-getting

01:32:09.100 --> 01:32:11.940
 item, which I thought was very exciting.

01:32:11.940 --> 01:32:19.800
 The concept is that there would be a network of prioritized streets connecting the universities,

01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:24.420
 connecting the transit sector, connecting downtown, where we would really be prioritizing

01:32:24.420 --> 01:32:25.920
 pedestrian comfort.

01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:30.080
 And as a big part of that, we can all recognize from a day like today, Denton is extremely

01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:34.880
 hot and we want to make sure that we are creating opportunities for people to walk comfortably

01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:36.140
 downtown.

01:32:36.140 --> 01:32:40.960
 The idea of a chill street is a street where we have really prioritized shade and other

01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:46.000
 cooling technologies as a way of creating microclimates that really encourage people

01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:51.840
 to be able to comfortably move around even in Texas's heat.

01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:57.200
 The second set of recommendations focuses on the network of public spaces in and around

01:32:57.200 --> 01:32:58.200
 downtown.

01:32:58.200 --> 01:33:01.800
 These are recommendations we've worked very closely with the Parks and Recreation Department

01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:04.340
 on as we have moved them forward.

01:33:04.340 --> 01:33:08.680
 One of the biggest pieces of the plan is a focus on a new master plan for Quaker Town

01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:09.840
 Park.

01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:14.020
 This plan was undertaken with a great deal of additional public engagement above and

01:33:14.020 --> 01:33:21.780
 beyond what we did for the plan as a whole, including sessions where we worked with descendants

01:33:21.780 --> 01:33:29.800
 of people who had been displaced from Quaker Town in the early 20th century, really focusing

01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:36.160
 on how people wanted to create monuments and memorialize and talk about that history, while

01:33:36.160 --> 01:33:41.960
 also creating a plan for the current uses in the park, as well as making sure that we

01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:48.520
 are able and capable to continue to expand on all of the incredible historical resources,

01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:52.400
 as well as all of the great festivals that we all love in that space.

01:33:52.400 --> 01:33:56.400
 Sorry, I think I skipped one there.

01:33:56.400 --> 01:34:01.640
 The second recommendation in this section focuses on looking at some of the vacant lots

01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:06.000
 in and around downtown and really looking at which ones of those lots would really make

01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:11.680
 the most sense for expansion of park facilities, as well as opportunities to connect economic

01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:13.080
 development.

01:34:13.080 --> 01:34:16.040
 This is an example of what something like that could look like.

01:34:16.040 --> 01:34:21.320
 This is a vacant lot that is right on the square that is currently for sale.

01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:26.800
 In this rendering, what we show is a way in which public space right on the square could

01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:31.280
 be expanded, where we could add some additional business space.

01:34:31.280 --> 01:34:36.400
 There's a cafe within this design, as well as flexible vendor booths, which is something

01:34:36.400 --> 01:34:40.760
 that we've heard quite a bit, our desire of the community and the community that does

01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:45.520
 a lot of the festivals and things like that within and around downtown.

01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:51.880
 This particular site also creates a wonderful view of the courthouse, as well as giving

01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:59.280
 us a really exciting option to create an accessible ramp that helps with the grade change between

01:34:59.280 --> 01:35:11.160
 Austin Street and the courthouse square itself.

01:35:11.160 --> 01:35:16.160
 In addition to that, we have suggested several different ways in which some of the underutilized

01:35:16.160 --> 01:35:21.600
 streets or what are often called the mews right around the square could be redesigned

01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:26.880
 to allow for partial closures, allow for more festival street type opportunities, allow

01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.620
 for more events as well.

01:35:29.620 --> 01:35:35.720
 The third section of the plan focuses on development and really thinking about how we can continue

01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:40.260
 to build on downtown's character and assets with some of the development opportunities.

01:35:40.260 --> 01:35:44.360
 One of the biggest opportunities of the plan and in fact one of the reasons that this plan

01:35:44.360 --> 01:35:50.400
 is happening right now is that there's a significant portion of downtown south of the square that

01:35:50.400 --> 01:35:54.520
 up until very recently was in the floodplain, which really restricted development opportunity

01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:56.100
 within it.

01:35:56.100 --> 01:36:00.760
 Looking at that as a key example, we've begun to envision what redevelopment and infill

01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:05.720
 development within that area could look like and how we would leverage public investments

01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.160
 in order to get the types of development that we would want to see there.

01:36:09.160 --> 01:36:13.520
 You can see in this particular drawing, which is again, an example of what could happen

01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:14.820
 in the space.

01:36:14.820 --> 01:36:19.600
 In addition to the private sector development that's happened around the southern downtown,

01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:24.760
 there's also a proposal for a new park to help anchor that space as well as a new performing

01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:27.720
 arts center.

01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:34.160
 Another key recommendation that we've made is to really encourage downtown living.

01:36:34.160 --> 01:36:39.320
 As opposed to some cities, downtown is not your densest residential area.

01:36:39.320 --> 01:36:43.600
 Actually the highest density areas in the city are just to the west of downtown mostly

01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.680
 around UNT.

01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:52.040
 There is a significant amount of built up market desire as well as opportunity in actually

01:36:52.040 --> 01:36:54.500
 creating additional residential units.

01:36:54.500 --> 01:36:58.720
 In addition to that, it creates a more active street front, helps support businesses as

01:36:58.720 --> 01:36:59.720
 well.

01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:04.660
 So we're asking to actually set a specific goal for new development over the next 10

01:37:04.660 --> 01:37:07.560
 years that we believe is market supported.

01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:12.800
 That would be a mix of market rate and affordable units.

01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:17.680
 We've of course wanted to make sure that we're strengthening historic preservation opportunities,

01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:22.960
 that we're making sure that we're taking our incentive packages that we have and continuing

01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:28.960
 to promote those, as well as making sure that our historic facilities are taking advantage

01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:32.800
 of federal and state tax credits as well.

01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:37.760
 We've developed public realm design guidelines and zoning recommendations that would help

01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:42.280
 us ensure that the private sector development that happens in and around downtown is meeting

01:37:42.280 --> 01:37:47.500
 our standards, that our developers are putting together a good public realm, that we're making

01:37:47.500 --> 01:37:50.900
 sure that we're connecting sidewalks, we're connecting the chill streets, we're making

01:37:50.900 --> 01:37:52.440
 sure that all of those happen.

01:37:52.440 --> 01:37:59.920
 We've also within that created specific opportunities for ways that places like restaurants or venues

01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:04.960
 would be able to utilize street space for things like queuing, for things like outdoor

01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:07.440
 seating as well.

01:38:07.440 --> 01:38:14.400
 Finally, while we know that much of what happens needs to be done in the private sector, we've

01:38:14.400 --> 01:38:18.160
 created a space in the plan where we've pointed towards certain things that the community

01:38:18.160 --> 01:38:22.860
 has told us that they desire so that developers will know, if I were to come forward with

01:38:22.860 --> 01:38:28.240
 something in this list, it would be something that the community would likely smile upon.

01:38:28.240 --> 01:38:31.480
 Some of those include public and shared parking, that of course is something that the city

01:38:31.480 --> 01:38:33.120
 would actually take a role in.

01:38:33.120 --> 01:38:39.720
 Public market or other types of market spaces, hotels, downtown hotel has been a very, very

01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:45.160
 strong desire, as well as an expansion of music and art venues downtown.

01:38:45.160 --> 01:38:49.720
 Our section of the plan focuses on some of the policy and programmatic elements that

01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:53.660
 we need in order to actually see the plan successfully implemented.

01:38:53.660 --> 01:38:58.600
 As I just mentioned, we've talked about music venues and that's one of the key areas that

01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.840
 has really come up as something both that people love, but also as an opportunity for

01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:07.800
 us to really expand on as an economic strategy within downtown.

01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:12.120
 We have a section that focuses on the ways that we can update our policy and regulation

01:39:12.120 --> 01:39:16.560
 to help support the music and nightlife within Denton.

01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:20.480
 Another recommendation is actually to develop a performing arts center.

01:39:20.480 --> 01:39:25.400
 We've given an example in the plan of the Midtown Arts and Theater Center in Houston.

01:39:25.400 --> 01:39:30.080
 This is a facility that has multiple stages, has multiple performance spaces, but also

01:39:30.080 --> 01:39:34.160
 has offices for local nonprofits that has rehearsal spaces.

01:39:34.160 --> 01:39:37.800
 Something like this is something that could be done really in collaboration with area

01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:40.760
 universities as well.

01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:45.480
 We've created recommendations around how to expand programs that will support small businesses.

01:39:45.480 --> 01:39:50.160
 Again, talking about the things that people love the most about downtown, the small unique

01:39:50.160 --> 01:39:55.840
 Denton-only businesses are one of the most essential assets.

01:39:55.840 --> 01:40:01.320
 I had people tell me flat out, if the result of this plan is that downtown ends up with

01:40:01.320 --> 01:40:04.560
 a Chipotle, we've maybe done something wrong.

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.400
 There's a really strong desire to make sure that we're supporting our small businesses

01:40:07.400 --> 01:40:12.000
 and we've recommended a number of ways that we can incentivize and really help continue

01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:14.680
 to develop that.

01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:19.200
 We talk about really working to create a unified downtown brand, making sure that that's a

01:40:19.200 --> 01:40:25.280
 part of advertising, making sure that businesses together are really advertising that downtown

01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:28.640
 experience, and that's something that can be done collaboratively.

01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:38.640
 Finally, we've also made recommendations around some of the tools where we can receive additional

01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:43.180
 funding and make sure that there's directed funding for downtown that downtown then does

01:40:43.180 --> 01:40:44.800
 not currently have.

01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:49.400
 Specifically, we talk about the expansion of the downtown tours as well as the establishment

01:40:49.400 --> 01:40:52.160
 of a public improvement district.

01:40:52.160 --> 01:40:56.720
 Having a district would allow dedicated staff that would allow the expansion of things like

01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:03.240
 the downtown ambassador programs, other programs for maintenance, for safety, as well as project

01:41:03.240 --> 01:41:05.280
 delivery throughout.

01:41:05.280 --> 01:41:08.480
 So, our next steps.

01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:12.900
 This downtown plan, just to remind you, will amend and update the Denton 2040 Comprehensive

01:41:12.900 --> 01:41:13.900
 Plan.

01:41:13.900 --> 01:41:18.880
 We currently plan to bring this to city council on September 17th, after which we're excited

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:20.440
 to see implementation happen.

01:41:20.440 --> 01:41:24.840
 So, with that, I will close and open to questions.

01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:27.240
 Thank you very much, Zach.

01:41:27.240 --> 01:41:28.240
 Any questions?

01:41:28.240 --> 01:41:31.560
 It's time for Zach.

01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:32.560
 Commissioner Thacker.

01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:33.920
 I don't have any questions.

01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:36.160
 I just wanted to thank you guys for all the hard work.

01:41:36.160 --> 01:41:37.160
 This is beautiful.

01:41:37.160 --> 01:41:38.160
 Thank you.

01:41:38.160 --> 01:41:39.160
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:41:39.160 --> 01:41:40.160
 Thank you, Chair.

01:41:40.160 --> 01:41:41.160
 Great presentation.

01:41:41.160 --> 01:41:42.160
 Thank you.

01:41:42.160 --> 01:41:50.200
 I think for the benefit of the public, because some of these things get difficult to grasp

01:41:50.200 --> 01:41:58.840
 what the process is, can you explain how some of the recommendations would be achieved through

01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:03.600
 private investment, whereas others would be something the city would take a more leading

01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:07.680
 leadership role in so that people can understand how that combination occurs?

01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:08.680
 Absolutely.

01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:09.680
 Yeah.

01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:13.920
 Any planning process is usually a combination of private investment, public investment,

01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:18.320
 and often philanthropic dollars as well.

01:42:18.320 --> 01:42:21.660
 The way that we've set up the plan and really thinking about some of the priorities for

01:42:21.660 --> 01:42:25.760
 implementation are really making sure that the city is kind of in there first establishing

01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:30.360
 the tools that it needs to in order to really see the vision achieved through private sector

01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:31.780
 investment as well.

01:42:31.780 --> 01:42:36.440
 So that includes looking at new funding sources.

01:42:36.440 --> 01:42:42.240
 One example that I'll give the city, the downtown actually already has a Texas designated cultural

01:42:42.240 --> 01:42:46.960
 district, but Denton has never applied for any funding through that program.

01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:51.240
 So making sure that we're bringing in state and federal funding where it makes sense,

01:42:51.240 --> 01:42:56.040
 as well as establishing local funding sources that are going to be able to help with any

01:42:56.040 --> 01:43:00.360
 of the incentives or public types of investments that need to be made.

01:43:00.360 --> 01:43:04.720
 Then the city also has the ability to set regulation, which helps really drive some

01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.220
 of the development.

01:43:06.220 --> 01:43:10.000
 One of the things that I've been really excited about with this team is that we have had an

01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:11.360
 economic development consultant.

01:43:11.360 --> 01:43:14.140
 We actually have two economic development consultants on the team.

01:43:14.140 --> 01:43:17.320
 One of them is specifically focused on the public sector incentives and has spent his

01:43:17.320 --> 01:43:21.840
 whole career really working with cities to make sure that they have everything set up

01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:23.300
 moving towards their goals.

01:43:23.300 --> 01:43:27.840
 The other one is someone who is focused on really understanding how developers work.

01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:32.320
 And so being able to really work with them to say, what do we need to do in order to

01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:38.000
 see the type of market response that we expect and making sure within that, that we're not

01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:41.680
 doing anything as a city that the market would do by itself either.

01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:43.360
 So there's a balance in that.

01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:47.920
 But everything really is intended to really work as a net that each of these different

01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:51.560
 actors are really working together to move towards that common vision.

01:43:51.560 --> 01:43:54.320
 Thank you for that question.

01:43:54.320 --> 01:43:55.320
 Thank you.

01:43:55.320 --> 01:43:56.320
 Thank you.

01:43:56.320 --> 01:43:57.320
 Any other questions?

01:43:57.320 --> 01:44:03.080
 I know you didn't go over it, Zach, but part of this plan does have an implementation part

01:44:03.080 --> 01:44:04.080
 of it as well.

01:44:04.080 --> 01:44:10.320
 It's set up in goals as we have like year one, what goals would be year five.

01:44:10.320 --> 01:44:15.120
 Yeah, and the implementation section, the sort of phasing of the implementation section

01:44:15.120 --> 01:44:17.920
 was based really on three criteria.

01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:21.940
 One of them was whether or not the implementation of that action needed to be done in order

01:44:21.940 --> 01:44:23.240
 for other things to happen.

01:44:23.240 --> 01:44:28.080
 So if there was a path dependency, the second was a community prioritization exercise that

01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:31.880
 we actually did with the community, had several hundred people contribute their thoughts about

01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:35.440
 what they were most excited about, what they wanted to see first.

01:44:35.440 --> 01:44:37.140
 And then the third was just cost.

01:44:37.140 --> 01:44:41.640
 So really looking at what are some of the small things that we can take on earlier,

01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:46.800
 whereas other things might take longer in terms of additional design or grants that need to

01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:51.200
 be acquired, other things like that in order to move them forward.

01:44:51.200 --> 01:44:52.200
 Thank you.

01:44:52.200 --> 01:44:53.200
 Thank you.

01:44:53.200 --> 01:44:55.320
 Any other questions at this time for Zach?

01:44:55.320 --> 01:44:56.320
 Commissioner Perdomo.

01:44:56.320 --> 01:44:57.320
 Hi, yes.

01:44:57.320 --> 01:44:59.440
 Thank you for your presentation as well.

01:44:59.440 --> 01:45:02.280
 My question is regarding public engagement.

01:45:02.280 --> 01:45:08.880
 Was there a demographic analysis done to determine which populations may have been represented

01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:13.560
 in providing information to make sure that there wasn't a particular group or subsect

01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:15.480
 of the population that was missed?

01:45:15.480 --> 01:45:16.480
 Yeah.

01:45:16.480 --> 01:45:20.960
 Because a significant portion of our engagement was online, we weren't able to capture full

01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:24.240
 demographics as a part of it.

01:45:24.240 --> 01:45:29.040
 What we did do is as we were working through the events that we were going through, as

01:45:29.040 --> 01:45:33.760
 we were working through observation from who we saw coming to different events, we did

01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:39.720
 look in targeted ways about going out to specific events that would appeal to specific demographics

01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:45.180
 in order to make sure that we were getting specific feedback in those ways.

01:45:45.180 --> 01:45:51.560
 There were also, as I said, specific engagement that was specifically for descendants of people

01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:55.400
 who had been displaced from Quaker Town as a part of that.

01:45:55.400 --> 01:45:59.680
 So that's sort of the way that we did it, but we did not collect demographic information

01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:00.680
 throughout.

01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:01.680
 Yeah.

01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:08.100
 But I know you do have a copy of the five pages of engagement that has happened over

01:46:08.100 --> 01:46:16.000
 the year and the various places that they have captured comments.

01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:20.640
 Don't think I have any other questions at this time for you, but stand by, we may have

01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:21.640
 some later.

01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:22.640
 Thank you.

01:46:22.640 --> 01:46:25.720
 Okay, I do have some cards wishing to speak on this item.

01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:32.040
 First one I have is Charles Lee.

01:46:32.040 --> 01:46:33.120
 He'll state your name.

01:46:33.120 --> 01:46:34.120
 Your time will begin.

01:46:34.120 --> 01:46:35.120
 Hi.

01:46:35.120 --> 01:46:36.120
 Yeah.

01:46:36.120 --> 01:46:37.120
 My name is Charles Lee.

01:46:37.120 --> 01:46:38.120
 Good evening, everybody.

01:46:38.120 --> 01:46:45.320
 I just want to say that I'm in objection to this because I'm sorry, I'm just not really

01:46:45.320 --> 01:46:50.680
 feeling this because the whole color scheme, I really just don't like the color scheme

01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:51.680
 at all.

01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:52.680
 It's just not me.

01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:58.000
 I don't know what you're trying to do there, but I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm like a very patriotic

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:01.440
 person and the dent in colors are red, white, and blue.

01:47:01.440 --> 01:47:04.880
 I don't know what you're trying to do here or what you're trying to represent.

01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:07.000
 It's not representing my culture at all.

01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:09.320
 I just don't like the color scheme at all.

01:47:09.320 --> 01:47:14.920
 And then you want to talk about you're going to do a lot of lanes and bike lanes and things

01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:17.160
 like that for walking and all that type of stuff.

01:47:17.160 --> 01:47:18.160
 I'm sorry.

01:47:18.160 --> 01:47:20.040
 Nobody's going to walk in Texas heat.

01:47:20.040 --> 01:47:23.600
 Nobody's going to just jump in their car, they're going to drive down there, they're

01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:26.080
 going to park, they're going to get out, and they're going to go back in their car and

01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:27.680
 they're going to drive away.

01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:28.680
 Nobody is walking.

01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:29.680
 I'm sorry.

01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:30.680
 They're just not going to do that.

01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:34.640
 And if you're going to start putting bike lanes down there, those roads are too tight

01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:36.720
 and then it's going to be real dangerous.

01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:40.880
 And I don't know how you're going to make that because on Windsor Road you put bike lanes

01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:42.880
 over on Windsor Road where I live at.

01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:43.880
 Nobody uses them.

01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:47.760
 You're just cutting down on road space for nothing at all.

01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:51.240
 And this is going to, I don't know, you didn't say anything about money.

01:47:51.240 --> 01:47:53.440
 This is going to cost a fortune.

01:47:53.440 --> 01:47:57.360
 And everybody's complaining about property taxes and how the property taxes keep coming

01:47:57.360 --> 01:47:58.360
 up.

01:47:58.360 --> 01:48:01.880
 But you guys keep spending all this money on all these things, but then people complain

01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:03.240
 they have property taxes.

01:48:03.240 --> 01:48:04.240
 You can't have both, man.

01:48:04.240 --> 01:48:08.640
 If you're going to keep spending money like drunken sailors, property taxes are going

01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:10.820
 to have to go up to fund this stuff.

01:48:10.820 --> 01:48:14.200
 And it's just total ridiculous because everybody's complaining about property taxes, but then

01:48:14.200 --> 01:48:15.940
 they don't want to cut spending.

01:48:15.940 --> 01:48:18.940
 It's the whole thing just because you can't have both, man, because what you're going

01:48:18.940 --> 01:48:22.240
 to do, if you keep spending money like this, you're going to bankrupt the city.

01:48:22.240 --> 01:48:25.240
 Have a nice night.

01:48:25.240 --> 01:48:26.720
 Thank you.

01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:29.840
 Commissioner Pradron, you're still on the board, but are you, did you have anything?

01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:30.840
 Okay.

01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:31.840
 Thank you.

01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:32.840
 Okay.

01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:37.400
 The next card I have to speak is Gabriel Kirkpatrick.

01:48:37.400 --> 01:48:46.800
 Hi, if you'll give us your name, your time will begin.

01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:48.800
 Hi, my name is Gabriel Kirkpatrick.

01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.520
 Just want to say that I'm in support of this for a number of reasons.

01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:53.960
 I think it's long overdue.

01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:55.600
 Denton is growing rapidly.

01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:59.360
 One thing that I don't think we've done a good enough job of is how we're doing with

01:48:59.360 --> 01:49:00.360
 our downtown area.

01:49:00.360 --> 01:49:05.840
 I love the idea of having green spaces, of having parks, of connecting and having walkable

01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:09.320
 areas between the universities and the downtown sectors.

01:49:09.320 --> 01:49:10.320
 Long overdue.

01:49:10.320 --> 01:49:14.680
 One thing I didn't hear, and forgive me, I may have, when I read through is the water

01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:15.680
 reuse.

01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:16.680
 That's one concern I have.

01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:20.440
 When, you know, as we're building these things out in green spaces and things of that nature,

01:49:20.440 --> 01:49:24.420
 obviously we're in a very hot and dry climate, you know, just kind of what are the plans

01:49:24.420 --> 01:49:28.080
 for water reuse with a lot of this going on?

01:49:28.080 --> 01:49:31.840
 But in short, these plans are long overdue for this city, I think.

01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:36.640
 They may not be perfect, but it's something that we need to engage into and especially

01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:38.520
 that we're going to be supporting music and arts.

01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:41.840
 Some of the amphitheater ideas I think are long overdue as well.

01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:43.760
 I've used that term quite a bit.

01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:47.280
 I just think that we are finally focusing on something here that is the heart of the

01:49:47.280 --> 01:49:53.000
 city that everybody wants to come to Denton for and we need to be focusing on those things.

01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:56.360
 So I'm heavily supportive of, but I do have that question about water reuse and we'll

01:49:56.360 --> 01:50:00.600
 follow up with the city or however that works properly, just trying to get a feel of how

01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:06.240
 are we reclaiming water when we're building new structures and when we're retrofitting

01:50:06.240 --> 01:50:07.240
 areas.

01:50:07.240 --> 01:50:08.240
 So that's about my only question on it.

01:50:08.240 --> 01:50:12.320
 But I think it's great and I applaud the city for the work they did.

01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:16.520
 To Desiree's point too though, the demographic on who was reached out to is always interesting

01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:17.520
 to me too.

01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:18.760
 How you did that, who you got in touch with.

01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:22.320
 I know that's a very difficult thing, getting people to step up and actually fill out a

01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:26.000
 survey or to give their voice.

01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:27.760
 But yeah, I'm very much supportive.

01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:29.360
 So thank you and thank you for your time.

01:50:29.360 --> 01:50:31.800
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:39.080
 Cameron or Zach, can I ask a question with regard to what Mr. Kirkpatrick brought up?

01:50:39.080 --> 01:50:42.640
 Did we talk about water reclamation at all?

01:50:42.640 --> 01:50:43.640
 Not specifically.

01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:48.960
 We did talk about sort of building sustainability and thinking about the ways that we can make

01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:55.520
 sure that the plan is meeting and exceeding building codes in all of the areas from the

01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:57.980
 public realm improvements and so on.

01:50:57.980 --> 01:50:59.320
 That is a very interesting idea.

01:50:59.320 --> 01:51:02.920
 I think it's something that could be examined probably further.

01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:07.820
 It would probably be something that would be incorporated into design guidelines, which

01:51:07.820 --> 01:51:12.360
 would be one of the first implementation steps of the plan.

01:51:12.360 --> 01:51:17.880
 So just to make sure that that's clear, the adoption of this plan does not set any of

01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:21.360
 those zoning regulations or design guidelines in place.

01:51:21.360 --> 01:51:25.880
 That would be a further process that would actually have to continue from this in order

01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:30.720
 to actually create the actual regulation around those elements.

01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:31.720
 Okay.

01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:32.720
 Thank you.

01:51:32.720 --> 01:51:33.720
 Appreciate your thoughts on that.

01:51:33.720 --> 01:51:34.720
 Oh, sorry, Gary.

01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:35.720
 I didn't see you.

01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:36.720
 Good evening.

01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:41.900
 Gary Pack and Parks and Recreation.

01:51:41.900 --> 01:51:46.760
 One thing, and I don't have the specifics yet, but water utilities is working on a reclaimed

01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:52.440
 water process in a master plan so we can identify where we can put that reclaimed water and

01:51:52.440 --> 01:51:58.200
 use it for irrigation, not necessarily capturing water off of roofs of buildings, but reusing

01:51:58.200 --> 01:52:02.120
 water in a reclaimed fashion, which is not using potable water.

01:52:02.120 --> 01:52:03.120
 Okay.

01:52:03.120 --> 01:52:04.120
 Awesome.

01:52:04.120 --> 01:52:05.120
 That's good to know.

01:52:05.120 --> 01:52:06.120
 Thank you for sharing with us.

01:52:06.120 --> 01:52:07.120
 Okay.

01:52:07.120 --> 01:52:21.320
 Our next card I have to speak is Neil Durantz.

01:52:21.320 --> 01:52:22.320
 Hello there.

01:52:22.320 --> 01:52:23.320
 Nice to meet you.

01:52:23.320 --> 01:52:24.320
 Thank you.

01:52:24.320 --> 01:52:25.320
 Good evening, Neil Durantz.

01:52:25.320 --> 01:52:26.320
 Thank you.

01:52:26.320 --> 01:52:30.480
 My office is at 1108 North Locust, just right up the way inside the plan.

01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:36.980
 I hadn't heard a lot about this or any of the events, but I got a letter last week that

01:52:36.980 --> 01:52:38.760
 this was coming up.

01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:44.040
 And since I only have four minutes and don't see a timer, I assume I get about 45 minutes.

01:52:44.040 --> 01:52:45.040
 Okay.

01:52:45.040 --> 01:52:46.040
 Maybe not.

01:52:46.040 --> 01:52:52.080
 But I can't go over in four minutes 70 pages worth of document.

01:52:52.080 --> 01:52:55.800
 Let me start out by saying this has got to be the most colorful report I've ever seen.

01:52:55.800 --> 01:52:56.800
 It's very pretty.

01:52:56.800 --> 01:53:00.000
 There's lots of really pretty pictures in this at all.

01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:03.520
 This is also the third, fifth, or eighth, I can't remember, downtown plan that I've

01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.280
 seen this kind of this city go through.

01:53:06.280 --> 01:53:10.920
 The last one I think cost us about $250,000 or something like that.

01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.640
 And we got flower pots around the square.

01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:16.680
 I'm not sure how that works out.

01:53:16.680 --> 01:53:24.660
 The problem that we have in these types of plans is that we haven't learned about city

01:53:24.660 --> 01:53:25.660
 planning.

01:53:25.660 --> 01:53:28.160
 And when we go out to the people, that's a great thing to do.

01:53:28.160 --> 01:53:32.720
 We do want to be responsive to the public, but the fundamental city planning has not

01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:35.040
 been completed.

01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:39.680
 This report is stocked full of generalities about promotion and how things need to look

01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:44.460
 good and people need to enjoy themselves more.

01:53:44.460 --> 01:53:50.960
 They talked about walkability, they talk about efficiency of space, they talk about entertainment

01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:56.880
 venues, all of which we've covered about four or five times in the last 30 years.

01:53:56.880 --> 01:54:00.600
 They also talk about a vision statement.

01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:03.720
 We're not talking reality here folks, we're talking dreams.

01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:09.560
 We need to be addressing the real problems of this town and the pleasant plan does not

01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:11.040
 do that.

01:54:11.040 --> 01:54:16.680
 Now, I can't review all 70 pages, but let me take one example.

01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:24.360
 We've been talking about walkability around here ever since I got here in 1964, okay?

01:54:24.360 --> 01:54:28.440
 Because in '64 the problem was people bringing horses to the square.

01:54:28.440 --> 01:54:33.280
 That makes walkability a problem if you've ever been buying a horse for very long.

01:54:33.280 --> 01:54:35.160
 And so there was lots of things.

01:54:35.160 --> 01:54:36.760
 We've been talking about that for 30 years.

01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:41.280
 Nobody's looked at it, does anybody remember the German models?

01:54:41.280 --> 01:54:44.580
 The German models talk about efficiency of space and walkability and they've been the

01:54:44.580 --> 01:54:49.480
 best ones followed practically around the world by now for those people who really want

01:54:49.480 --> 01:54:50.480
 to plan.

01:54:50.480 --> 01:54:53.280
 That's just one area it's not addressed.

01:54:53.280 --> 01:54:55.000
 There's nothing about parking.

01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:57.800
 Parking has been the perennial problem about the square.

01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:01.380
 We would like to bring people down to it, but where are they going to park?

01:55:01.380 --> 01:55:06.280
 And as the other speaker just mentioned, you know it gets hot, you know how we are in Texas.

01:55:06.280 --> 01:55:10.600
 You know we get in the car and drive 40 feet to go see our neighbors, you know.

01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:15.240
 So I think that doesn't really face the real idea of that.

01:55:15.240 --> 01:55:21.120
 The fundamental problem has been that there is no determination of economic models that

01:55:21.120 --> 01:55:27.840
 will support or link with the results of city planning, okay?

01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:29.260
 You following me?

01:55:29.260 --> 01:55:32.240
 Because that means that we have to side the model.

01:55:32.240 --> 01:55:38.360
 The speaker himself said, and very nice guy, I like him a lot, he said that we have to

01:55:38.360 --> 01:55:41.080
 get private sector involvement.

01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:45.860
 I don't know about y'all, but have you ever gone into a businessman and said, by the way,

01:55:45.860 --> 01:55:49.840
 we were going to pass a zoning requirement that said you're going to have to invest another

01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:57.640
 $40,000 in your business or in your building or wherever to get past our planning and zoning

01:55:57.640 --> 01:55:59.040
 committee.

01:55:59.040 --> 01:56:04.480
 That doesn't go over real well and then you're talked about being anti-business.

01:56:04.480 --> 01:56:06.840
 Of course I have 28 seconds.

01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:09.040
 Enfield south of the square has been a perennial problem.

01:56:09.040 --> 01:56:13.120
 The same collides are down there that have always been down there and we don't hear how

01:56:13.120 --> 01:56:16.720
 that's going to be addressed on Enfield problem.

01:56:16.720 --> 01:56:22.160
 And we've got a hole in the square that I think, y'all know these things, I'm not telling

01:56:22.160 --> 01:56:23.680
 you anything you don't know.

01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:28.640
 We need to address those particular problems, but again it is not done with an economic

01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:31.800
 model that addresses the city planning issues.

01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:38.440
 And until that happens, I know my time has expired, I'll conclude, until we do that in

01:56:38.440 --> 01:56:44.560
 a realistic ways, then we've just made another pretty report and it will go back on the shelf

01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:49.840
 with the last one in the last three or four or five that we've seen about our downtown

01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:50.840
 area.

01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:57.360
 Oh, by the way, entertainment venue for what they were talking about with theaters and

01:56:57.360 --> 01:57:00.400
 everything, I think we got one, it's called Campus Theater.

01:57:00.400 --> 01:57:06.600
 And oh, by the way, if you look in the little pictures, if you put a beer garden in over

01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:13.120
 there on the Civic Center Park or the Quaker Town Park without talking to the arts and

01:57:13.120 --> 01:57:18.560
 jazz and it's where the one o'clock lab band's going to be performing the next year, I think

01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:20.440
 you've got a problem on your hands.

01:57:20.440 --> 01:57:26.120
 So we need to think of these things in realistic terms and address problems.

01:57:26.120 --> 01:57:31.040
 The first one starts with the economics of this city and that's a tough one.

01:57:31.040 --> 01:57:36.240
 Now, I've always offered my help, they don't ask me anymore, that's fine.

01:57:36.240 --> 01:57:38.280
 But that's your job.

01:57:38.280 --> 01:57:43.440
 So thank you all, I look for your time and like I said, I look forward to hearing from

01:57:43.440 --> 01:57:44.440
 all of you.

01:57:44.440 --> 01:57:45.440
 Thank you.

01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:49.120
 Thank you, Mr. Dernitz.

01:57:49.120 --> 01:57:53.000
 I think I will just say, if you do have time to read the rest of that report, that was

01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:58.200
 a very high level that we got there from Zach, but there are things in the plan, I know with

01:57:58.200 --> 01:58:03.240
 regard to parking, there are things in the plan with regard to economically how we achieve

01:58:03.240 --> 01:58:04.320
 some of these goals.

01:58:04.320 --> 01:58:10.120
 So there's a lot more than the high level that we saw in that few minutes of that presentation.

01:58:10.120 --> 01:58:16.240
 So if you do have the time, I would encourage you to read all of it.

01:58:16.240 --> 01:58:20.880
 I do have a card here from Elizabeth Spoonce, I don't know if it's this item that you want

01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:28.560
 to speak on, okay, very good.

01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:31.800
 Hello.

01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:38.280
 Hi, how are you?

01:58:38.280 --> 01:58:49.320
 My husband and I were looking over the plan and noticed that they have decided to reallocate

01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:57.880
 the land that the pool is taking, the community pool, and the senior center.

01:58:57.880 --> 01:58:59.960
 Am I correct on that?

01:58:59.960 --> 01:59:00.960
 Yes.

01:59:00.960 --> 01:59:09.680
 And so those are resources for the community that are widely used.

01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:20.080
 And as a senior citizen here in Denton, been in Denton most of my life, I think that's

01:59:20.080 --> 01:59:28.320
 one of the things that when you start reallocating things, reallocating land and resources, you

01:59:28.320 --> 01:59:33.680
 need to have a backup plan for where is the new senior center going to be?

01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:36.080
 And where is the new community pool going to be?

01:59:36.080 --> 01:59:43.120
 Because you just can't wipe out these resources for the community that are widely used.

01:59:43.120 --> 01:59:52.080
 And for every senior citizen sitting in this room, if you have not been to the senior center,

01:59:52.080 --> 01:59:58.280
 you're missing something really absolutely wonderful that this city offers senior citizens.

01:59:58.280 --> 02:00:05.920
 And I just think that, you know, this is great to want to do improvements.

02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:09.800
 I do think financially this is going to be huge.

02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:19.120
 I would love to see this, you all, take a look at some of the things that you could

02:00:19.120 --> 02:00:21.240
 do in steps.

02:00:21.240 --> 02:00:27.800
 And I know there's phases, but, like, why can downtown, just the square that you've

02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:33.480
 already invested a lot in with the walkways and the planters and all that, why can you

02:00:33.480 --> 02:00:41.280
 not just go ahead and create some great signage for all the businesses that are there that

02:00:41.280 --> 02:00:50.160
 give some uniformity to the downtown square and not have it look so hodgepodge and get

02:00:50.160 --> 02:01:00.560
 some things going that would make Denton way more attractive without having to spend millions

02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:07.160
 of dollars and with reducing resources that already exist.

02:01:07.160 --> 02:01:14.560
 In terms of the Quaker Town Park, I think that the gentleman spoke about Jazz Fest,

02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:19.580
 that's a huge draw to our city, huge, huge draw.

02:01:19.580 --> 02:01:27.280
 I live way up by T.W.U. and I'm telling you, people park and walk for miles to get to Jazz

02:01:27.280 --> 02:01:34.160
 Fest, and so, you know, reallocating land and taking things away and not looking at

02:01:34.160 --> 02:01:41.680
 how we're utilizing that, that needs to be looked at really strongly because it's already

02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:44.400
 a strong asset for this city.

02:01:44.400 --> 02:01:49.760
 And I am just about out of time and out of topics.

02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:52.820
 So thank you very much for your time, I appreciate it.

02:01:52.820 --> 02:01:53.820
 >> Thank you.

02:01:53.820 --> 02:01:58.280
 >> And I guess just, yeah, come on down, Gary.

02:01:58.280 --> 02:02:03.280
 >> Gary back and Director of Parks and Recreation.

02:02:03.280 --> 02:02:09.800
 November 2023, residents voted and approved a 40 plus million dollar rebuilding of a senior

02:02:09.800 --> 02:02:10.960
 center.

02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:13.600
 So that will not be removed until that is done.

02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:16.040
 That is scoped to be done in the next couple of years.

02:02:16.040 --> 02:02:18.000
 So that is moving forward.

02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:22.280
 Our aquatics master plan was approved and adopted by council earlier this year to outline

02:02:22.280 --> 02:02:25.120
 future improvements of aquatics.

02:02:25.120 --> 02:02:30.680
 If this plan would move forward and that facility would remove from the park, there would be

02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:34.520
 other pool facilities in the city to accommodate that.

02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:40.800
 In regards to arts and jazz, we did meet with all, most if not all of the event planners

02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:44.520
 that take place in Quaker Town to make sure they were involved and provided feedback,

02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:47.800
 especially arts and jazz, and we met with them twice.

02:02:47.800 --> 02:02:48.800
 >> Great.

02:02:48.800 --> 02:02:49.800
 Yeah.

02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:50.800
 Thank you for sharing that.

02:02:50.800 --> 02:02:51.800
 Yeah, and I'll just add to that.

02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:56.920
 We have to look at it like this plan that we're discussing tonight is a vision.

02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:01.240
 It's a vision for this downtown area to make it better.

02:03:01.240 --> 02:03:05.180
 Not to take away, not to do without the things that we're enjoying.

02:03:05.180 --> 02:03:09.760
 It's to make it better and improve upon what we already have.

02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:12.480
 That's what this is, is a vision.

02:03:12.480 --> 02:03:13.480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:03:13.480 --> 02:03:14.520
 >> Thank you, Chair.

02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:17.640
 Question for Zach, I believe.

02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:23.080
 There have been a few comments on sort of the sticker shock of some of the things in

02:03:23.080 --> 02:03:26.800
 this plan and what that means to the city.

02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:36.080
 I wonder if you could just give us a general feeling on what types of development typically

02:03:36.080 --> 02:03:42.040
 receive more tax dollars from property tax than it costs to support them and the infrastructure

02:03:42.040 --> 02:03:49.040
 in front of that property versus what types of development the city spends more to maintain

02:03:49.040 --> 02:03:51.840
 than it receives in property tax from that property.

02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:57.760
 >> Now, I want to say that this is definitely something that can change a little bit from

02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:05.320
 city to city, but typically commercial and mixed use development is a sort of net positive

02:04:05.320 --> 02:04:09.800
 that actually pays in more taxes than it receives in services.

02:04:09.800 --> 02:04:16.560
 Typically it can vary quite a bit depending on the age of buildings and different things

02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:17.560
 like that, of course.

02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:21.680
 We want to make sure that you caveat that, but typically those larger scale developments

02:04:21.680 --> 02:04:26.680
 do have a higher tax rate because there's no homesteading in some of those things when

02:04:26.680 --> 02:04:30.360
 you look at a per square foot development ratio.

02:04:30.360 --> 02:04:32.360
 >> Thank you.

02:04:32.360 --> 02:04:33.360
 >> Yep.

02:04:33.360 --> 02:04:34.360
 >> Thank you.

02:04:34.360 --> 02:04:35.360
 Thanks again, Zach.

02:04:35.360 --> 02:04:40.040
 The next card I have is Jody Ismert.

02:04:40.040 --> 02:04:51.160
 >> Jody Ismert, 819 Anna Street, and I just want to, I'm speaking out in support of the

02:04:51.160 --> 02:04:52.160
 downtown plan.

02:04:52.160 --> 02:04:53.480
 I think it's a good plan.

02:04:53.480 --> 02:04:55.960
 I like the vision.

02:04:55.960 --> 02:05:04.200
 I mostly wanted to also mention, I haven't looked at all the details yet, but walkability

02:05:04.200 --> 02:05:12.240
 also, I notice that there is an emphasis on the east side going through the neighborhoods

02:05:12.240 --> 02:05:18.240
 there, but nothing on the west side, like near Bolivar, where there's a lot of walkers

02:05:18.240 --> 02:05:25.880
 and cyclists, so I kind of wanted to emphasize perhaps to also include that section as well

02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:30.800
 for walkability and cycling as well.

02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:40.280
 I also, as far as the civic center park, I have to say, and I realize it's a vision,

02:05:40.280 --> 02:05:44.560
 but I also want to say I want to make sure that I really like the pool there.

02:05:44.560 --> 02:05:50.200
 I think it's nice to have a neighborhood pool in the center of the city for people to use,

02:05:50.200 --> 02:05:54.520
 especially with such density, and so I'm sad to see that that might actually be going away

02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:58.520
 perhaps.

02:05:58.520 --> 02:06:07.000
 And I'd also like to say that I didn't quite see information on what's happening with the

02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:08.000
 neighborhoods.

02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:13.880
 I live north of the square, and I'm actually looking into historic status, because my house

02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:16.880
 was built in 1940.

02:06:16.880 --> 02:06:21.840
 One of the things I've always wanted downtown to do was to incorporate us as far as make

02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:27.320
 the roads nicer, make the sidewalks nice, have the cute little acorn lights going through

02:06:27.320 --> 02:06:38.000
 the neighborhoods, maybe without maybe dark sky friendly, but instead we kind of got the

02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:44.080
 same lights that are on Carol and things of that nature, so it doesn't really incorporate

02:06:44.080 --> 02:06:48.560
 us into the downtown, but I would like us to be incorporated into the downtown, but

02:06:48.560 --> 02:06:55.340
 not necessarily as part of development, but as part of, as a neighborhood, as R2 as we

02:06:55.340 --> 02:07:05.680
 exist, but understood that we are, we should benefit in ways that enhance our neighborhood,

02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:10.960
 like with walkability and with lights at night, because it's very dark.

02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:16.400
 We still, you know, we still receive a lot of downtown traffic with people walking, but

02:07:16.400 --> 02:07:21.240
 it's very, very dark on our roads at night and things of that nature, so that's kind

02:07:21.240 --> 02:07:28.600
 of what I wanted to add, just for the cyclists and the walkers that live on that side, perhaps

02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:34.360
 you all could consider incorporating some more walkability there, some crosswalks and

02:07:34.360 --> 02:07:36.840
 things of that nature, and that's really it.

02:07:36.840 --> 02:07:37.840
 I like the plan though.

02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:38.840
 I mean, it's interesting.

02:07:38.840 --> 02:07:39.840
 It's good vision.

02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:40.840
 So thank you.

02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:41.840
 Thanks, Jody.

02:07:41.840 --> 02:07:44.520
 Yeah, and I think Zach's going to add something, because I do believe that the street you're

02:07:44.520 --> 02:07:47.480
 talking about is incorporated in the footprint of this plan.

02:07:47.480 --> 02:07:50.160
 Yeah, you've actually got a kid on something I think that's really key.

02:07:50.160 --> 02:07:54.680
 I think what we heard in terms of the neighborhoods to the north is that we really want to not

02:07:54.680 --> 02:08:00.360
 disturb them with an extreme amount of development, but that the public realm improvements, the

02:08:00.360 --> 02:08:03.120
 sidewalks, et cetera, are something that's really, really important.

02:08:03.120 --> 02:08:09.620
 So the chill streets that are laid out are priorities in terms of areas where we want

02:08:09.620 --> 02:08:12.880
 to make sure that we're seeing investment early on in order to create those networks

02:08:12.880 --> 02:08:18.400
 of paths between the universities and the square and so on, but the design guidelines

02:08:18.400 --> 02:08:24.320
 and the sort of elements in terms of the width of the sidewalks, the plantings, those sorts

02:08:24.320 --> 02:08:27.840
 of things would actually be accommodated throughout downtown.

02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:32.680
 There are slight changes in them within the historic sort of square component versus the

02:08:32.680 --> 02:08:38.760
 outside of the neighborhoods, but it is absolutely definitely foreseen that those types of improvements

02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:44.040
 while again, hopefully not disturbing the development character of those areas would

02:08:44.040 --> 02:08:47.240
 be something that would happen.

02:08:47.240 --> 02:08:49.120
 Thank you very much.

02:08:49.120 --> 02:08:52.240
 Next card I have is Christine Bray.

02:08:52.240 --> 02:08:54.200
 Hi.

02:08:54.200 --> 02:09:03.360
 All right, hello, everyone.

02:09:03.360 --> 02:09:06.040
 I see a lot to love about this plan.

02:09:06.040 --> 02:09:07.880
 I really like so many elements of it.

02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:10.800
 The walkability, as other speakers mentioned.

02:09:10.800 --> 02:09:15.460
 If folks think people don't walk, I would encourage you to sit over by Midway Mart and

02:09:15.460 --> 02:09:22.120
 just see how many people cross back and forth on Oak crossing Carroll, which is a dangerous

02:09:22.120 --> 02:09:23.120
 intersection.

02:09:23.120 --> 02:09:28.080
 There's been quite a few collisions there, injuries, but a lot of people walk that and

02:09:28.080 --> 02:09:33.560
 crossing back and forth between that more UNT area, the historic Oak Hickory area and

02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:38.080
 downtown I think that's an area that needs a lot of attention because people are crossing

02:09:38.080 --> 02:09:41.720
 there constantly, but it is risky.

02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:47.440
 I also like that it continues the kind of historic downtown development trajectory of

02:09:47.440 --> 02:09:52.440
 mixed use of providing things for the public, right?

02:09:52.440 --> 02:09:56.960
 That's what downtown Denton was built as and I appreciate that this acknowledges that,

02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:02.200
 preserves the historic character of downtown and is talking about maintaining ownership

02:10:02.200 --> 02:10:04.440
 opportunities and adding affordable housing.

02:10:04.440 --> 02:10:07.320
 I also like the transit emphasis, huge bus person.

02:10:07.320 --> 02:10:12.120
 I think that there is so much better that we could be doing to serve our downtown area

02:10:12.120 --> 02:10:13.120
 with public transit.

02:10:13.120 --> 02:10:15.400
 Mitigating the urban heat island effect, great.

02:10:15.400 --> 02:10:17.720
 We need more trees.

02:10:17.720 --> 02:10:20.960
 It should be more comfortable to walk around downtown.

02:10:20.960 --> 02:10:24.000
 Raised artistic crosswalks, I had pitched that years ago on traffic safety.

02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:25.760
 I'm glad to see it come back.

02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:30.280
 Turning the former mini mall into something, I'm excited about that idea.

02:10:30.280 --> 02:10:31.280
 Increasing public art.

02:10:31.280 --> 02:10:36.440
 I do share the concerns about moving the senior center and the pool kind of out of our downtown

02:10:36.440 --> 02:10:38.160
 walkable amenity rich area.

02:10:38.160 --> 02:10:42.200
 I think that we should be keeping things where they are accessible to folks.

02:10:42.200 --> 02:10:45.960
 I also have concerns about the new city hall plan being included in that.

02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:47.160
 I was on bond committee.

02:10:47.160 --> 02:10:49.280
 We had rejected that.

02:10:49.280 --> 02:10:54.240
 I wish that maybe there had been some reconsideration of that, but overall, I love this plan.

02:10:54.240 --> 02:10:57.660
 It's got so many exciting ideas in it and I really hope to see it move forward.

02:10:57.660 --> 02:10:58.660
 Thank you.

02:10:58.660 --> 02:10:59.660
 Thank you.

02:10:59.660 --> 02:11:07.480
 Our next card I have is Jennifer Lane.

02:11:07.480 --> 02:11:11.640
 I agree with pretty much said I just wanted to underscore that the Civic Center Pool is

02:11:11.640 --> 02:11:16.280
 designed by O'Neill Ford, so it should be kept because of its historic significance.

02:11:16.280 --> 02:11:21.400
 It's interesting, you know, just as you see parks that are designed by famous architects,

02:11:21.400 --> 02:11:26.520
 this swimming pool as part of Quaker Town Park was designed by O'Neill Ford.

02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:32.880
 And so it's an important item for the local people to use, but also because of its incredibly

02:11:32.880 --> 02:11:35.120
 beautiful design.

02:11:35.120 --> 02:11:37.200
 So I would recommend that that be kept in there.

02:11:37.200 --> 02:11:40.960
 And then I'm just curious about one of the designs.

02:11:40.960 --> 02:11:42.880
 Maybe someone can speak to it.

02:11:42.880 --> 02:11:46.000
 The legend here, I'm trying to understand the gray areas that are on either side of

02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:47.000
 downtown.

02:11:47.000 --> 02:11:50.720
 I don't think they're equivalent because the south side isn't residential, but the north

02:11:50.720 --> 02:11:51.720
 side is.

02:11:51.720 --> 02:11:54.440
 So I was just sort of wondering what that was about.

02:11:54.440 --> 02:11:57.680
 I don't know if anybody can address it.

02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:02.520
 I understand the legend pretty well, except the gray areas, I'm not sure what those mean.

02:12:02.520 --> 02:12:04.640
 Just the areas outside of downtown.

02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:07.360
 So they're just kind of whatever isn't being discussed as opposed to...

02:12:07.360 --> 02:12:08.360
 Yeah, exactly.

02:12:08.360 --> 02:12:09.360
 That's exactly right.

02:12:09.360 --> 02:12:10.360
 Awesome.

02:12:10.360 --> 02:12:11.360
 Thanks.

02:12:11.360 --> 02:12:13.880
 Thank you.

02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:17.080
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but this is a public hearing.

02:12:17.080 --> 02:12:20.600
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:23.600
 Okay.

02:12:23.600 --> 02:12:27.840
 Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion

02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:32.160
 or a motion.

02:12:32.160 --> 02:12:33.160
 Commissioner Villareal.

02:12:33.160 --> 02:12:34.160
 Thank you, Chair.

02:12:34.160 --> 02:12:36.760
 I have a couple of questions for staff.

02:12:36.760 --> 02:12:39.720
 I know a lot's been made about the pole removal.

02:12:39.720 --> 02:12:46.320
 How key to the plan's vision is the removal of the pole, would you say?

02:12:46.320 --> 02:12:53.360
 I'll probably let Gary come speak to this as well, but as Gary was saying, there has

02:12:53.360 --> 02:12:57.920
 already been direction from council about that issue.

02:12:57.920 --> 02:13:03.200
 And so our plan built on that direction, and the same is true for the senior center.

02:13:03.200 --> 02:13:08.520
 So I would assume that those are issues that could be reopened potentially, however they

02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:11.960
 are indeed things that the council has already given direction on.

02:13:11.960 --> 02:13:12.960
 Gotcha.

02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:14.560
 So kind of outside of our scope here.

02:13:14.560 --> 02:13:15.560
 That's exactly right.

02:13:15.560 --> 02:13:21.720
 So second question, I know we spoke about the inclusion of the Southeast Denton neighborhood

02:13:21.720 --> 02:13:24.520
 plan and how there were conversations with the team there.

02:13:24.520 --> 02:13:28.240
 And I have also heard that the lines aren't set in stone.

02:13:28.240 --> 02:13:32.360
 I just want to make sure that there's no, that perhaps we could set some of the lines

02:13:32.360 --> 02:13:38.920
 in stone in terms of the boundary between downtown Denton and the Southeast neighborhood,

02:13:38.920 --> 02:13:41.760
 Southeast Denton neighborhood, since that is a major point of concern.

02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:42.760
 Right.

02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:47.080
 So the way that we actually approached that in the process, in our early steps, we did

02:13:47.080 --> 02:13:49.480
 not show a boundary at all when we were talking about downtown.

02:13:49.480 --> 02:13:52.920
 We let people self-define where they were.

02:13:52.920 --> 02:13:58.640
 Similarly with the Southeast Denton group, they actually did a public engagement activity

02:13:58.640 --> 02:14:02.600
 where they asked people to draw a line around what they thought of as Southeast Denton.

02:14:02.600 --> 02:14:06.600
 So the ultimate boundaries that we decided on for the two studies were based on the input

02:14:06.600 --> 02:14:08.520
 from the Southeast community.

02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:13.960
 However, we of course know that there are influences and we wanted to also make sure

02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:17.740
 that the Southeast community was being really represented in the economic opportunities

02:14:17.740 --> 02:14:20.960
 and other opportunities that come from downtown as well.

02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:24.480
 So we really tried to make sure that we were working closely together in order to really

02:14:24.480 --> 02:14:28.600
 think about the ways that the plans are complimentary to each other.

02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:29.600
 Thank you.

02:14:29.600 --> 02:14:30.600
 Yeah.

02:14:30.600 --> 02:14:31.600
 Thank you.

02:14:31.600 --> 02:14:40.560
 Gary, did you have anything to add while commissioner Villarreal still has the floor here?

02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:45.240
 Gary Pack and director of Parks and Recreation, could you repeat your question, please?

02:14:45.240 --> 02:14:48.200
 Sure, the first question was about the removal of the pool.

02:14:48.200 --> 02:14:50.960
 I know it sounds like city council already voted to do that.

02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:54.120
 Yeah, no, that hasn't specifically happened.

02:14:54.120 --> 02:14:59.800
 So we're at a point where we either have to make infrastructure improvements to that facility

02:14:59.800 --> 02:15:04.800
 long-term or come up with another plan.

02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:11.360
 We have, we're trying to move our infrastructure from aquatics to regional-based concept.

02:15:11.360 --> 02:15:17.320
 As the city continues to grow, we have really two facilities in a spray ground.

02:15:17.320 --> 02:15:18.320
 Aquatics is very costly.

02:15:18.320 --> 02:15:23.560
 We're trying to balance operational expenses while we grow and improve as a parks recreation

02:15:23.560 --> 02:15:24.720
 department.

02:15:24.720 --> 02:15:29.560
 So we're trying to figure out the best process moving forward in regards to regional facilities

02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:31.080
 as best we can.

02:15:31.080 --> 02:15:34.000
 As we are a smaller community, we're more community-based.

02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:38.840
 If you look at where our rec centers are located, they're really tight within the city's kind

02:15:38.840 --> 02:15:42.840
 of the loop, but the city's growing outside of the loop.

02:15:42.840 --> 02:15:48.040
 So we're trying to look and try to move towards that direction of regional-based.

02:15:48.040 --> 02:15:52.280
 At some point in time, we're going to have to make a decision whether to reinvest in

02:15:52.280 --> 02:15:58.920
 the pool in Quaker Town, which we could do, or the plan as it's proposed right now turns

02:15:58.920 --> 02:16:00.360
 it into a spray ground.

02:16:00.360 --> 02:16:04.760
 So there's still an aquatic component there, which is less from an operational standpoint.

02:16:04.760 --> 02:16:08.000
 We don't have to have staff there, just regular maintenance.

02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:11.800
 We don't have to have lifeguards as a typical pool would have.

02:16:11.800 --> 02:16:17.160
 So there would be another facility that would be built within the city if that ever came

02:16:17.160 --> 02:16:18.160
 offline.

02:16:18.160 --> 02:16:19.160
 Gotcha.

02:16:19.160 --> 02:16:24.840
 And has there been any consideration given to perhaps the historical nature of the pool?

02:16:24.840 --> 02:16:26.640
 That's the one thing that we need to look at.

02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:31.520
 No, I think the original structure was an O'Neill Ford one, and this was replaced at

02:16:31.520 --> 02:16:33.880
 some point in time.

02:16:33.880 --> 02:16:35.480
 I'll let the historical ...

02:16:35.480 --> 02:16:41.800
 Hi, Karen Robertson, also Historic Preservation Officer.

02:16:41.800 --> 02:16:46.600
 So the pool was designed as part of the original O'Neill Ford complex.

02:16:46.600 --> 02:16:52.600
 A large overhaul and maintenance was done to it in 1993, and within the last two years,

02:16:52.600 --> 02:16:57.680
 there has been maintenance of new concrete, a new pergola being put up.

02:16:57.680 --> 02:17:01.960
 So there is been that in-kind replacement, but it has seen maintenance over the years.

02:17:01.960 --> 02:17:02.960
 Thank you.

02:17:02.960 --> 02:17:07.720
 So do we have a percentage of how much is the original pool or ...?

02:17:07.720 --> 02:17:11.800
 I can give you approximate based off the plans that I've seen.

02:17:11.800 --> 02:17:16.800
 I would say less than 40% of it is the original pool.

02:17:16.800 --> 02:17:17.800
 Gotcha.

02:17:17.800 --> 02:17:24.360
 But just ... She's a lot taller than me.

02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:26.400
 Just a reminder, again, this is a visionary plan.

02:17:26.400 --> 02:17:31.440
 We still have a lot of steps to go through in regards to adoption for city council consideration

02:17:31.440 --> 02:17:32.440
 and moving forward.

02:17:32.440 --> 02:17:33.440
 Gotcha.

02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:38.720
 And just so it's asked on the senior center, I know we voted for that last year.

02:17:38.720 --> 02:17:42.680
 Was the move included in the bond vote or is that just consideration that y'all are

02:17:42.680 --> 02:17:43.680
 giving?

02:17:43.680 --> 02:17:44.680
 Yeah.

02:17:44.680 --> 02:17:50.600
 So the feedback that we've been getting as the senior center continues to grow and expand,

02:17:50.600 --> 02:17:51.680
 we have two senior centers.

02:17:51.680 --> 02:17:56.440
 We have one in Quaker Town and one at Fredmore Park.

02:17:56.440 --> 02:17:59.120
 We've identified two locations that they could possibly go to.

02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:04.020
 We have not started the process to get community feedback in regards to the location, but early

02:18:04.020 --> 02:18:08.440
 on the discussion was that it's probably not going to happen where it's at right now.

02:18:08.440 --> 02:18:14.800
 Based on the size of the park, the needs of the facility, the parking is an issue for

02:18:14.800 --> 02:18:18.900
 our seniors at our facility, and that was during our parks master plan process.

02:18:18.900 --> 02:18:25.720
 That was the number one feedback component that was received from the users of that facility

02:18:25.720 --> 02:18:30.320
 was parking is an issue, especially in the summertime when there's a lot going on.

02:18:30.320 --> 02:18:33.960
 And just approximately, do you know if there's a lot of folks who walk from their home to

02:18:33.960 --> 02:18:34.960
 the senior center?

02:18:34.960 --> 02:18:37.560
 I don't have that number.

02:18:37.560 --> 02:18:42.760
 We did get feedback about public transportation, so that is definitely something that we'd

02:18:42.760 --> 02:18:45.400
 consider to make sure that we have that component.

02:18:45.400 --> 02:18:46.400
 Awesome.

02:18:46.400 --> 02:18:47.400
 Thank you.

02:18:47.400 --> 02:18:48.400
 You bet.

02:18:48.400 --> 02:18:49.400
 Thanks, Gary.

02:18:49.400 --> 02:18:50.400
 Come on up.

02:18:50.400 --> 02:18:51.400
 Sure.

02:18:51.400 --> 02:18:52.400
 Of course.

02:18:52.400 --> 02:18:53.400
 Thank you so much.

02:18:53.400 --> 02:18:57.920
 One thing I did want to add in addition to the pool is that the design does remain the

02:18:57.920 --> 02:19:03.520
 same though, so that placement of the pool, that sunbathing embankment that kind of faces

02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:05.840
 the pool, that all still remains intact.

02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:08.880
 So I did just want to clarify that.

02:19:08.880 --> 02:19:09.880
 Thank you very much.

02:19:09.880 --> 02:19:10.880
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:19:10.880 --> 02:19:14.440
 Thank you, Chair.

02:19:14.440 --> 02:19:17.960
 Thank you everyone who's come out to speak and share your thoughts.

02:19:17.960 --> 02:19:27.840
 It really helps us, I think this gives us a good platform from which to go forth.

02:19:27.840 --> 02:19:33.640
 I will say personally, I tend to not be excited about losing the pool either.

02:19:33.640 --> 02:19:36.120
 They are really expensive, however.

02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:42.840
 What I see is that there's some new opportunities in front of us, and there's some old infrastructure

02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:52.760
 that would need serious rehabilitation to keep, and it's sort of a race between how

02:19:52.760 --> 02:20:03.080
 soon can we make it desirable and financially feasible to build more housing in our downtown

02:20:03.080 --> 02:20:09.680
 area in order to get more usage out of these facilities versus when that stuff starts to

02:20:09.680 --> 02:20:12.400
 age out, what's the desire?

02:20:12.400 --> 02:20:16.880
 Just to give you an impression, the entire downtown study area, and I'm sure Zach will

02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:22.280
 correct me if I'm wrong, but when I did this calculation several months ago, it had an

02:20:22.280 --> 02:20:30.520
 average residential density in the entire 700-something acres of 2.78 homes per acre.

02:20:30.520 --> 02:20:36.200
 So that's significantly even less than the density of a typical single-family subdivision.

02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:38.560
 We've got a lot of room to grow.

02:20:38.560 --> 02:20:40.480
 So I'm excited to see the future.

02:20:40.480 --> 02:20:47.020
 I think the 1,500 homes is a thing that I hope we can surpass much earlier than Zach's

02:20:47.020 --> 02:20:54.840
 team projects, and I hope that it gives us the tax revenue and the activity down there

02:20:54.840 --> 02:20:59.800
 to be able to grow more small businesses, to be able to see more usage out of our loved

02:20:59.800 --> 02:21:03.120
 facilities, and to be able to see some new ones come as well.

02:21:03.120 --> 02:21:04.120
 Thank you.

02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:05.120
 Thank you.

02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:06.120
 Commissioner Thacker.

02:21:06.120 --> 02:21:07.120
 Thank you, Chair.

02:21:07.120 --> 02:21:12.560
 I have two questions, the first one is for Parks and the other ones I can direct towards

02:21:12.560 --> 02:21:14.400
 Cameron or Sean.

02:21:14.400 --> 02:21:16.520
 I was also on the Bond Committee.

02:21:16.520 --> 02:21:22.120
 I'm trying to recall, I thought that this senior center that we had inevitably decided

02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:26.000
 on or that we had considered had an aquatic element to it.

02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:28.320
 Am I wrong on that?

02:21:28.320 --> 02:21:33.280
 I know the one that you guys initially proposed was way, way out of budget, but I think when

02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:36.600
 we reconsidered that there was an aquatic element to that one.

02:21:36.600 --> 02:21:42.600
 There was some discussions, until we get through the design process, we're not sure if that

02:21:42.600 --> 02:21:47.340
 would be feasible from a financial standpoint.

02:21:47.340 --> 02:21:54.040
 That is a desire, but wants desires and trying to balance all that's the challenge with

02:21:54.040 --> 02:21:55.040
 the finances.

02:21:55.040 --> 02:21:56.040
 Okay.

02:21:56.040 --> 02:21:57.040
 Thank you.

02:21:57.040 --> 02:21:58.040
 I just couldn't recall.

02:21:58.040 --> 02:21:59.040
 Yes, ma'am.

02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:00.520
 And then, Cameron or Sean, maybe you guys can speak to this.

02:22:00.520 --> 02:22:04.360
 I know that you guys said you were working with a couple of economic developers in terms

02:22:04.360 --> 02:22:09.440
 of, you know, with the whole plan kind of for consult.

02:22:09.440 --> 02:22:14.400
 Is there any been, has there been any consideration of possibly developing, I know we're really

02:22:14.400 --> 02:22:21.040
 big on our art and really big on our murals, but the potential of some type of corporate

02:22:21.040 --> 02:22:24.920
 sponsor via, you know, our style.

02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:31.560
 So I'm thinking the likes of like downtown Shreveport where Tabasco sponsored a giant

02:22:31.560 --> 02:22:37.680
 wall in which they painted this beautiful mural that, you know, gave an homage to downtown

02:22:37.680 --> 02:22:42.480
 Shreveport, but it was, it was still Tabasco and something that kind of incorporates who

02:22:42.480 --> 02:22:46.880
 we are as a city, but also allows for us to offset some of these costs.

02:22:46.880 --> 02:22:52.080
 I'm, you know, that poor subway up there didn't have a chance, man, but you know, in terms

02:22:52.080 --> 02:22:56.280
 of making it something that's our own, but something that incorporates Coca-Cola or something

02:22:56.280 --> 02:23:00.000
 that incorporates in our own light, has any of that been considered?

02:23:00.000 --> 02:23:07.480
 Yeah, so the plan does recommend working through a public art plan and really expanding on

02:23:07.480 --> 02:23:08.480
 the use of public art.

02:23:08.480 --> 02:23:11.720
 The murals that are already downtown have really been something again that people love

02:23:11.720 --> 02:23:17.360
 and are well received thinking about the ways that can move that forward within both the

02:23:17.360 --> 02:23:25.480
 strategies around park improvements, as well as thinking in a broader way about longer

02:23:25.480 --> 02:23:31.200
 term funding sources, it is more and more common that there is a philanthropic element

02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:36.600
 to that, whether that is naming rights in some cases with parks or other things like

02:23:36.600 --> 02:23:39.720
 that, that would go into that.

02:23:39.720 --> 02:23:46.360
 And we do, I think, mention as a next step to look into, you know, the feasibility of

02:23:46.360 --> 02:23:50.760
 something like a park conservancy or something like that, that would be able to be a kind

02:23:50.760 --> 02:23:55.640
 of fiscal sponsor for those sorts of elements to be able to move forward now.

02:23:55.640 --> 02:23:58.400
 Thank you.

02:23:58.400 --> 02:23:59.400
 Commissioner Cole.

02:23:59.400 --> 02:24:00.400
 Thank you, Chair.

02:24:00.400 --> 02:24:08.800
 You guys have done such a great job, y'all work so hard, and this is another one you

02:24:08.800 --> 02:24:17.720
 guys just knocked out of the park, and I mean, y'all are amazing, your outreach is incredible,

02:24:17.720 --> 02:24:23.320
 and I just want to thank you for all your hard work.

02:24:23.320 --> 02:24:24.320
 Thank you.

02:24:24.320 --> 02:24:28.160
 Okay, we've got the floor open for discussion or a motion.

02:24:28.160 --> 02:24:29.160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

02:24:29.160 --> 02:24:34.680
 Move approval with the full understanding that this is a vision, not a set plan, and

02:24:34.680 --> 02:24:38.840
 I'm hopeful that the city will take a lot of the consideration from the constituents

02:24:38.840 --> 02:24:41.800
 today into mind.

02:24:41.800 --> 02:24:42.800
 Commissioner Cole.

02:24:42.800 --> 02:24:43.800
 Second.

02:24:43.800 --> 02:24:50.040
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval, any other discussion?

02:24:50.040 --> 02:24:57.360
 Okay, I'll just thank everyone for coming out to speak today and share your thoughts.

02:24:57.360 --> 02:25:05.920
 Thanks to the Zach, your team, Cameron, Sean, I mean, you were everywhere all the time it

02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:09.640
 seemed this past year, really, really great work on this.

02:25:09.640 --> 02:25:18.040
 The advisory committee that you had, I know, worked hard, the citizen involvement was fantastic,

02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:25.520
 so super, super fun to read through and see this coming to this day, it's really great,

02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:31.960
 I think it's a great vision to make our downtown even better, yes, please, go ahead, Zach.

02:25:31.960 --> 02:25:35.820
 We realized late that this was not in our acknowledgement, so it will be in the final

02:25:35.820 --> 02:25:40.880
 version, but I did also want to mention the logo and the look of the plan was actually

02:25:40.880 --> 02:25:45.360
 designed by a Denton artist, Jude Landry, so I wanted to make sure his name got mentioned

02:25:45.360 --> 02:25:46.360
 today as well.

02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:47.360
 That's awesome.

02:25:47.360 --> 02:25:48.360
 Thank you for doing that.

02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:52.160
 I had forgotten about that, yes.

02:25:52.160 --> 02:25:55.760
 So with that, we'll go ahead, if there's no other discussion, go ahead and vote on the

02:25:55.760 --> 02:26:16.760
 board, please.

02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:19.480
 That motion will carry 6-0.

02:26:19.480 --> 02:26:30.960
 That will move us to our next public hearing item for tonight, that's 5D ASUP 23000.

02:26:30.960 --> 02:26:36.560
 I'll go ahead and open the public hearing, and while Sean's getting ready for presentation,

02:26:36.560 --> 02:26:40.360
 we'll just pause slightly because I think we're going to have some people heading out

02:26:40.360 --> 02:26:53.560
 the door.

02:26:53.560 --> 02:27:01.080
 All right.

02:27:01.080 --> 02:27:05.400
 Thank you, Chair and members of the commission, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, I'm here

02:27:05.400 --> 02:27:13.280
 to present ASUP 230001, the landmark at Locust project.

02:27:13.280 --> 02:27:18.320
 This is a request for an amendment to a specific use permit to allow for plan changes to an

02:27:18.320 --> 02:27:21.500
 already approved multifamily development project.

02:27:21.500 --> 02:27:28.080
 So just to clarify, we do, as many of you all know, have an approved specific use permit

02:27:28.080 --> 02:27:39.080
 for a 660-unit multifamily project on this site, and this amendment is not related to

02:27:39.080 --> 02:27:43.040
 the use which is already approved, but simply to the design of the project.

02:27:43.040 --> 02:27:48.160
 It's some changes that went a little bit beyond what could be administratively approved.

02:27:48.160 --> 02:27:54.960
 The purpose here is to expand the remaining developable area adjacent to the proposed

02:27:54.960 --> 02:28:01.240
 multifamily, so to leave a larger remaining area for development next to the multifamily,

02:28:01.240 --> 02:28:04.920
 and that's proposed to be done by converting some of the street extensions into narrower

02:28:04.920 --> 02:28:09.080
 drive aisles and shifting that drive aisle to the east.

02:28:09.080 --> 02:28:13.200
 So this is located at the corner of Loop 288 and North Locust Street.

02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:17.000
 It's currently zoned, so we're in corridor which permits the use, and as stated, the

02:28:17.000 --> 02:28:20.040
 use has been approved already.

02:28:20.040 --> 02:28:25.180
 The future land use lines up with what's requested.

02:28:25.180 --> 02:28:30.800
 This request would make it easier, help facilitate the development of mixed use at this intersection,

02:28:30.800 --> 02:28:32.800
 which is what the future land use anticipates.

02:28:32.800 --> 02:28:39.120
 So staff is recommending approval of this amendment.

02:28:39.120 --> 02:28:44.760
 As I said, the background here, this was approved, 660 units, 24 buildings.

02:28:44.760 --> 02:28:50.080
 The owner and the developer, after the approval, realized, came to us and said, we don't believe

02:28:50.080 --> 02:28:56.200
 we have enough space in the remainder area in order to put in retail site pads, and the

02:28:56.200 --> 02:29:00.280
 changes that would be needed to widen that area went beyond what staff could administratively

02:29:00.280 --> 02:29:05.960
 approve and therefore required, coming back to the process to amend the SUP, and so therefore

02:29:05.960 --> 02:29:12.120
 we are before you to talk to those changes which primarily relate to expanding that area.

02:29:12.120 --> 02:29:19.720
 So the key change requested is, initially, we had extensions of streets, AIM and Beale,

02:29:19.720 --> 02:29:22.960
 into the site at a neighborhood street width.

02:29:22.960 --> 02:29:29.240
 Those would be converted over into private streets, which would, of course, be the maintenance

02:29:29.240 --> 02:29:34.000
 responsibility would then go to the private owner, but they would be within public access

02:29:34.000 --> 02:29:35.000
 easement.

02:29:35.000 --> 02:29:39.360
 So the ability to access the site for the public would remain exactly the same, however,

02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:46.480
 the narrowing by about six feet there creates some expanded space for those adjacent non,

02:29:46.480 --> 02:29:52.240
 that remaining area, to develop in a non-residential way under the SC Zoning District.

02:29:52.240 --> 02:29:57.120
 In addition, that north-south drive aisle would be shifted about 50 feet to the east,

02:29:57.120 --> 02:30:00.920
 again, in order to expand that remaining area.

02:30:00.920 --> 02:30:06.240
 Along with that, then, because of the reduction in the developable area for the multifamily

02:30:06.240 --> 02:30:11.040
 project, then we had internal site and landscape adjustments.

02:30:11.040 --> 02:30:15.320
 Too many to note, many primarily small ones, just moving things around in order to fit

02:30:15.320 --> 02:30:17.560
 into the smaller space.

02:30:17.560 --> 02:30:20.240
 We also did have some entry and access design changes.

02:30:20.240 --> 02:30:24.000
 So in working through this a second time with our transportation folks, there were some

02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:27.680
 changes they recommended to the entry and exit drives.

02:30:27.680 --> 02:30:28.680
 Those were carried out.

02:30:28.680 --> 02:30:33.360
 You also see there's not that long extension, the north end, knowing, well, actually not

02:30:33.360 --> 02:30:38.320
 knowing exactly how TxDOT's expansion will go there, it made sense to provide some greater

02:30:38.320 --> 02:30:42.620
 flexibility about where that future potential connection would be, rather than having them

02:30:42.620 --> 02:30:45.240
 stick a long section of pavement up there.

02:30:45.240 --> 02:30:51.440
 Overall, you can see the result was about a 3.28 acre increase in the remainder area,

02:30:51.440 --> 02:30:54.040
 which was the goal.

02:30:54.040 --> 02:30:57.960
 Additional site impacts, so as I said, the right-of-way area is reduced, so we're not

02:30:57.960 --> 02:31:00.520
 dedicating those extensions as right-of-way.

02:31:00.520 --> 02:31:06.640
 A number of units and buildings on the site was reduced, so it's about 36 less multi-family

02:31:06.640 --> 02:31:09.000
 units, one less building.

02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:13.880
 Landscape area decreased somewhat, but the percentage actually increased overall.

02:31:13.880 --> 02:31:18.920
 Tree canopy increased in both Praia, usable open space was also able to be increased.

02:31:18.920 --> 02:31:22.120
 We did have an increase in number of building design styles, just because they needed more

02:31:22.120 --> 02:31:26.380
 options in order to fit the buildings into the space they had.

02:31:26.380 --> 02:31:33.820
 The buffers adjacent to the single-family residential area to the west were left unchanged.

02:31:33.820 --> 02:31:40.160
 So overall, this is consistent with the development code and our approval criteria for the specific

02:31:40.160 --> 02:31:41.160
 use permit.

02:31:41.160 --> 02:31:44.920
 It aligns with our 2040 comprehensive plan goals, which encourage development of mixed

02:31:44.920 --> 02:31:52.220
 use at key intersections, so providing a larger area for those potential commercial properties

02:31:52.220 --> 02:31:57.520
 to develop next to the multi-family, seeing that multi-family has the opportunity to support

02:31:57.520 --> 02:32:01.720
 that future commercial, which is in line with the goals of our comprehensive plan.

02:32:01.720 --> 02:32:06.320
 It's also consistent with the suburban corridor zoning district, which is designed to allow

02:32:06.320 --> 02:32:10.040
 both commercial and multi-family together.

02:32:10.040 --> 02:32:16.400
 The amended specific use permit continues to include measures to mitigate any substantial

02:32:16.400 --> 02:32:18.280
 negative impacts on surrounding property.

02:32:18.280 --> 02:32:23.440
 We're still recommending the traffic signal constructed by the developer at Beale and

02:32:23.440 --> 02:32:24.440
 Locust.

02:32:24.440 --> 02:32:29.600
 We'll still have buffer areas between the neighboring residential and the proposed multi-family

02:32:29.600 --> 02:32:32.120
 and potential future commercial area.

02:32:32.120 --> 02:32:39.320
 Still providing a trail and the other, essentially all of the mitigating elements in the original

02:32:39.320 --> 02:32:41.520
 plan are left unchanged.

02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:46.840
 Utilities and infrastructure would be extended and/or upgraded to serve the subject property.

02:32:46.840 --> 02:32:51.440
 We did do the standard public outreach.

02:32:51.440 --> 02:32:54.700
 We did receive seven responses in opposition.

02:32:54.700 --> 02:32:58.560
 The applicant also held a neighborhood meeting and the applicant is here and will be able

02:32:58.560 --> 02:33:04.080
 to speak more to what they heard from the neighbors at that time.

02:33:04.080 --> 02:33:08.920
 So what that staff is recommending approval of the SEP amendment with the following conditions,

02:33:08.920 --> 02:33:16.280
 which would repeal and replace the conditions from the original SEP and essentially apply

02:33:16.280 --> 02:33:21.040
 the, what you see in the site landscape and building plans that would be attached to the

02:33:21.040 --> 02:33:22.040
 ordinance.

02:33:22.040 --> 02:33:24.040
 So with that, that is my presentation.

02:33:24.040 --> 02:33:27.160
 Happy to answer any questions you all may have.

02:33:27.160 --> 02:33:29.720
 Thank you very much, Sean.

02:33:29.720 --> 02:33:31.800
 Commissioner Thacker.

02:33:31.800 --> 02:33:32.800
 Thank you, Chair.

02:33:32.800 --> 02:33:37.440
 I noted that most of the addresses of the opposition were kind of concentrated in one

02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:38.440
 area.

02:33:38.440 --> 02:33:41.880
 Is there like one particular, is there something particular about the development that would

02:33:41.880 --> 02:33:48.480
 suggest why that particular cluster more than any kind of has the opposition?

02:33:48.480 --> 02:33:54.640
 I'm not sure that I could say that there is, because I would have said the one point where

02:33:54.640 --> 02:33:59.500
 there's kind of a connection to the existing neighborhood, and it's actually very specifically

02:33:59.500 --> 02:34:07.320
 this plan was designed to not allow vehicles to travel from this development into the neighboring

02:34:07.320 --> 02:34:12.960
 area, and I really don't see a cluster around that one point where it connects.

02:34:12.960 --> 02:34:19.760
 So it's hard for me to say what that reasoning might be.

02:34:19.760 --> 02:34:22.200
 Okay.

02:34:22.200 --> 02:34:23.880
 Any other questions for Sean?

02:34:23.880 --> 02:34:24.880
 Okay.

02:34:24.880 --> 02:34:25.880
 Thank you.

02:34:25.880 --> 02:34:26.880
 Thank you very much.

02:34:26.880 --> 02:34:27.880
 We may have more later.

02:34:27.880 --> 02:34:28.880
 Absolutely.

02:34:28.880 --> 02:34:29.880
 And as I said, the applicant is here.

02:34:29.880 --> 02:34:30.880
 Yeah.

02:34:30.880 --> 02:34:31.880
 I do have a card here from Brian Bridgewater.

02:34:31.880 --> 02:34:35.720
 I don't know if you have a presentation or if you just want to answer some questions.

02:34:35.720 --> 02:34:38.600
 So I'll let you come up here and tell us.

02:34:38.600 --> 02:34:39.600
 Hi.

02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:40.600
 Hi, Ellen.

02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:44.240
 I'm the civil engineer, represent the multi-family developer, so I've been working on this for

02:34:44.240 --> 02:34:46.880
 as long as Sean has.

02:34:46.880 --> 02:34:48.440
 Really Sean did a fantastic job.

02:34:48.440 --> 02:34:51.920
 We've been working with him diligently, dotting all of our I's, crossing all of our T's.

02:34:51.920 --> 02:35:00.720
 It sounds like there was one little item with the pork chop at the AIM locus, so we just,

02:35:00.720 --> 02:35:04.800
 that layer got turned on, so we'll delete that, but we've been working heavily with

02:35:04.800 --> 02:35:10.440
 planning and engineering, so we've submitted our engineering plans, but in short, you know,

02:35:10.440 --> 02:35:13.640
 we figured since we're reducing units, you know, we didn't do a neighborhood outreach

02:35:13.640 --> 02:35:19.720
 because we're providing more amenities, but the fundamental SUP, what got approved before,

02:35:19.720 --> 02:35:24.600
 it's fundamentally the same, but just some reductions in units, so we didn't expect too

02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:26.760
 much pushback on that, so.

02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:27.760
 Yeah.

02:35:27.760 --> 02:35:29.880
 Your public outreach was for the original SUP, right?

02:35:29.880 --> 02:35:31.240
 You didn't do it for these changes.

02:35:31.240 --> 02:35:35.640
 Yes, ma'am, on the original, we had, I believe, two neighborhood meetings, we really helped

02:35:35.640 --> 02:35:40.120
 them understand what the development was about, so we spent a lot of time and effort in that.

02:35:40.120 --> 02:35:41.120
 Okay.

02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:42.840
 Sean, did you have something to add or?

02:35:42.840 --> 02:35:47.760
 No, actually, you guys did hold a follow-up meeting.

02:35:47.760 --> 02:35:48.760
 Oh, we did?

02:35:48.760 --> 02:35:49.760
 Okay.

02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:52.480
 A lot of time has passed on this project.

02:35:52.480 --> 02:35:55.920
 Okay, my apologies.

02:35:55.920 --> 02:35:57.920
 You apparently were not at that meeting.

02:35:57.920 --> 02:36:01.560
 You know what, I don't remember what I did last night, so.

02:36:01.560 --> 02:36:02.560
 Very good.

02:36:02.560 --> 02:36:03.560
 Okay.

02:36:03.560 --> 02:36:07.520
 Other than that, I'm here, also a representative from Landmark is here.

02:36:07.520 --> 02:36:12.720
 He's their local construction manager, so he's been with Landmark for a few years, so

02:36:12.720 --> 02:36:15.840
 the developer's here as well if you have any questions for either of us.

02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:24.240
 I know I had a question with regard to that AEM intersection, so it's working now to where

02:36:24.240 --> 02:36:30.440
 we just, it's all directions, in and out, I mean, yes.

02:36:30.440 --> 02:36:34.240
 So on the west side of Locust, you're correct.

02:36:34.240 --> 02:36:38.400
 It's a full access drive there.

02:36:38.400 --> 02:36:43.240
 We have gone back and forth with the city and TextDOT, I know the city has transitioned

02:36:43.240 --> 02:36:47.880
 staff a couple of times on us through this, TextDOT's been looking at the loop improvement,

02:36:47.880 --> 02:36:53.880
 so we've tried to put everything there, we've done all sorts of analysis, but I think the

02:36:53.880 --> 02:37:01.180
 consensus, so the consensus from city staff and TextDOT was just to remove the pork chop,

02:37:01.180 --> 02:37:05.120
 you know, that would restrict access and make it a full access, but, you know, we are still

02:37:05.120 --> 02:37:09.960
 proposing the signalized intersection down at Locust and Beale.

02:37:09.960 --> 02:37:15.840
 Okay, so you talk about the AEM drive on the west side, which is not your development,

02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:18.520
 so on your development side.

02:37:18.520 --> 02:37:19.520
 Correct.

02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:24.440
 So that traffic is always on that, correct?

02:37:24.440 --> 02:37:30.020
 Yeah, that'll be a full access point, so we'll match up across Locust with AEM and we'll

02:37:30.020 --> 02:37:35.800
 have full access and there's been discussions about the city taking over that TextDOT, I'm

02:37:35.800 --> 02:37:41.240
 not privy to all that, but I think there's so many moving parts there, you know, we're

02:37:41.240 --> 02:37:45.840
 here to accommodate, but it sounded like the safest route was just to make it a full access

02:37:45.840 --> 02:37:50.120
 and eventually as the city and/or TextDOT figures out what they want to do there, they'll

02:37:50.120 --> 02:37:52.760
 make modifications accordingly, but that's...

02:37:52.760 --> 02:37:55.400
 Yeah, traffic would go at Beale.

02:37:55.400 --> 02:37:56.400
 Yes, ma'am.

02:37:56.400 --> 02:37:59.600
 Would that be prior to, or at the same time of development?

02:37:59.600 --> 02:38:00.600
 Do you know?

02:38:00.600 --> 02:38:04.560
 Yes, that would be with phase one of the development, so right now we are working on construction

02:38:04.560 --> 02:38:09.280
 drawings for the southern portion of the development, so this is actually a two-phase development,

02:38:09.280 --> 02:38:15.520
 so the signal as well as the majority of the, what I'll call the spline road that's along

02:38:15.520 --> 02:38:20.440
 the west side, the multifamily and surrounds the commercial tracks, that's gonna go in

02:38:20.440 --> 02:38:21.440
 as well.

02:38:21.440 --> 02:38:25.280
 So we're putting the bulk of the infrastructure in with phase one.

02:38:25.280 --> 02:38:31.920
 And then that, you're not anticipating an issue with AEM Drive being so close to that

02:38:31.920 --> 02:38:36.360
 traffic light and how that's gonna work at times?

02:38:36.360 --> 02:38:40.000
 It's, I mean, it's not ideal.

02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:44.480
 It's one of those circumstances when the development went in on the west side, that's really what

02:38:44.480 --> 02:38:46.640
 constrained us.

02:38:46.640 --> 02:38:50.960
 We looked at different options since there's no frontage road along the loop that we're

02:38:50.960 --> 02:38:57.000
 allowed to connect to and we can't get down to Hercules, and the residents, they were

02:38:57.000 --> 02:38:59.120
 real vocal about not having access.

02:38:59.120 --> 02:39:00.120
 Absolutely, yeah.

02:39:00.120 --> 02:39:03.120
 It was really the only solution that was left.

02:39:03.120 --> 02:39:04.160
 Okay, yeah.

02:39:04.160 --> 02:39:06.760
 Not ideal, I guess, but yeah.

02:39:06.760 --> 02:39:07.760
 Okay.

02:39:07.760 --> 02:39:09.880
 Commissioner Villarreal, thank you for answering my question.

02:39:09.880 --> 02:39:12.160
 Thank you, Chair, and thank you for that answer.

02:39:12.160 --> 02:39:14.520
 This may be a question for the developer.

02:39:14.520 --> 02:39:18.280
 Were you at that meeting with the dozen community members attended?

02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:19.280
 I wasn't.

02:39:19.280 --> 02:39:20.280
 We had a consultant there.

02:39:20.280 --> 02:39:21.280
 I'm vice president of construction.

02:39:21.280 --> 02:39:26.280
 I'm usually here for more nuts and bolts.

02:39:26.280 --> 02:39:27.280
 Okay.

02:39:27.280 --> 02:39:32.920
 And I was there for, I know at least one of them, sounds like I missed one, but we had

02:39:32.920 --> 02:39:36.960
 a consultant, Trey Jacobson, did a fantastic job, did a presentation.

02:39:36.960 --> 02:39:43.720
 He also presented to PNZ and council the same presentation, but we talked with the residents,

02:39:43.720 --> 02:39:45.200
 helped them really understand.

02:39:45.200 --> 02:39:50.140
 We helped them understand what the previous zoning was and helped, and it was basically

02:39:50.140 --> 02:39:56.480
 almost 36 acres of full commercial, so we tried to help them understand what that impact

02:39:56.480 --> 02:39:59.920
 would be versus doing kind of a mixed use development and how that would actually benefit

02:39:59.920 --> 02:40:00.920
 traffic.

02:40:00.920 --> 02:40:06.600
 So multifamily is controversial always, but we tried to help them understand what could

02:40:06.600 --> 02:40:10.360
 be done and how this was arguably a better product.

02:40:10.360 --> 02:40:11.360
 Sure.

02:40:11.360 --> 02:40:14.840
 And do we have, do y'all have anyone you can reach out to to get some insight about the

02:40:14.840 --> 02:40:15.840
 most recent?

02:40:15.840 --> 02:40:18.960
 I'm actually going to help you with that right now.

02:40:18.960 --> 02:40:24.040
 There was an email that was shared with us that came from Trey Jacobson's, who they're

02:40:24.040 --> 02:40:29.960
 talking about, who was at the meeting, and he had sent it to Sean when Sean asked how

02:40:29.960 --> 02:40:36.040
 that meeting went, and Mr. Trey Jacobson said, "Everybody understands the need to move the

02:40:36.040 --> 02:40:41.560
 boundaries and is happy the project is essentially staying the same, everyone happy."

02:40:41.560 --> 02:40:47.920
 So that was his feedback from that latest meeting with regard to these changes.

02:40:47.920 --> 02:40:48.920
 Gotcha.

02:40:48.920 --> 02:40:53.440
 And do you know if they had a chance to reach out to the folks who sent letters of opposition

02:40:53.440 --> 02:40:54.440
 in?

02:40:54.440 --> 02:40:55.680
 We have not done that.

02:40:55.680 --> 02:40:56.680
 Okay.

02:40:56.680 --> 02:40:57.680
 Thank you.

02:40:57.680 --> 02:40:58.680
 Thank you.

02:40:58.680 --> 02:41:00.080
 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

02:41:00.080 --> 02:41:01.080
 Thank you, Chair.

02:41:01.080 --> 02:41:05.160
 I'm not sure who is the better answerer of this, but you made the mistake of bringing

02:41:05.160 --> 02:41:08.040
 a wide team.

02:41:08.040 --> 02:41:12.280
 I never turn down the opportunity to ask someone who understands construction math and how

02:41:12.280 --> 02:41:17.280
 these sites are laid out.

02:41:17.280 --> 02:41:22.480
 Understand the current application, that's great, and this is not directed toward exactly

02:41:22.480 --> 02:41:26.240
 what you're going to build in the remainder of the site at all.

02:41:26.240 --> 02:41:33.680
 But if it was the desire of the city to see these types of multifamily adjacent commercial

02:41:33.680 --> 02:41:39.600
 projects to be built in a way where they would create the building such that they could be

02:41:39.600 --> 02:41:44.080
 economically successful with frontage to this freeway and that sort of thing, but also have

02:41:44.080 --> 02:41:51.720
 an inviting entrance from the adjacent multifamily so that it doesn't look like a blank wall,

02:41:51.720 --> 02:41:56.280
 what have you seen create a situation where that's desirable?

02:41:56.280 --> 02:41:58.520
 Is there anything we do that makes that hard, in other words?

02:41:58.520 --> 02:42:02.280
 No, I don't think so, and I think a lot of that comes from our architecture.

02:42:02.280 --> 02:42:04.160
 Sir, can you come to the mic?

02:42:04.160 --> 02:42:05.160
 Yeah, I'm sorry.

02:42:05.160 --> 02:42:06.160
 Thank you.

02:42:06.160 --> 02:42:07.160
 Thank you.

02:42:07.160 --> 02:42:08.160
 It's a good question.

02:42:08.160 --> 02:42:11.280
 I think our architect comes in and understands the environment that we're in, and we try

02:42:11.280 --> 02:42:13.640
 to blend into that environment the best we can.

02:42:13.640 --> 02:42:17.400
 We've got several different architects, we're using Eichmeyer on this one.

02:42:17.400 --> 02:42:22.400
 He's a very solid architect, and I'm sure he's very familiar with the area, but the

02:42:22.400 --> 02:42:26.040
 projects we've got around the Metro projects right now, I don't think we have any of those

02:42:26.040 --> 02:42:27.040
 problems.

02:42:27.040 --> 02:42:28.040
 Okay.

02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:29.040
 Thank you.

02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:30.040
 Thank you.

02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:35.680
 Any other questions for the developer at this time, or the applicant at this time?

02:42:35.680 --> 02:42:36.680
 Okay.

02:42:36.680 --> 02:42:37.680
 Thank you very much.

02:42:37.680 --> 02:42:38.680
 Thank you.

02:42:38.680 --> 02:42:39.680
 Appreciate that.

02:42:39.680 --> 02:42:40.680
 This is a public hearing.

02:42:40.680 --> 02:42:43.480
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but is there anyone wishing to speak?

02:42:43.480 --> 02:42:48.200
 Yep, come on down.

02:42:48.200 --> 02:42:52.800
 Hi there.

02:42:52.800 --> 02:42:56.600
 Yes, you can bring that down.

02:42:56.600 --> 02:42:57.600
 I'm going to have to move this away.

02:42:57.600 --> 02:42:58.600
 If you'll state your name, your time.

02:42:58.600 --> 02:42:59.600
 Hi.

02:42:59.600 --> 02:43:00.600
 Yes.

02:43:00.600 --> 02:43:03.600
 Gail Sulek, North Lakes Neighborhood in Denton.

02:43:03.600 --> 02:43:09.840
 My only comment, I don't know the details of this particular project, but I do have

02:43:09.840 --> 02:43:15.760
 major concerns about not reaching back to the neighborhood and the people who opposed,

02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:21.080
 knowing why they opposed, and now to have an addendum to this project when the original

02:43:21.080 --> 02:43:26.360
 people who were reviewing it now have no idea that this addendum is going on.

02:43:26.360 --> 02:43:28.960
 So that's my concern.

02:43:28.960 --> 02:43:35.680
 I think that you need to go back to the people and find out why they opposed and how this

02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:40.040
 potentially could or could not impact their original comments.

02:43:40.040 --> 02:43:41.040
 That's all.

02:43:41.040 --> 02:43:42.040
 Thank you.

02:43:42.040 --> 02:43:44.280
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

02:43:44.280 --> 02:43:45.360
 This is a public hearing.

02:43:45.360 --> 02:43:47.840
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

02:43:47.840 --> 02:43:53.760
 Okay, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor

02:43:53.760 --> 02:43:57.040
 for a motion or discussion.

02:43:57.040 --> 02:44:08.800
 I think what I'll just add to what this is confusing, and I know what it is to the public,

02:44:08.800 --> 02:44:17.360
 being that this is an already approved SUP that we had a public hearing for before, and

02:44:17.360 --> 02:44:21.940
 when you go back and watch it, there was significant public engagement then.

02:44:21.940 --> 02:44:25.920
 There were quite a few people who came out to speak then.

02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:29.160
 I re-watched the video.

02:44:29.160 --> 02:44:35.120
 Most were in support, even one saying, "This is the highest and best use of this land that

02:44:35.120 --> 02:44:41.680
 is right behind the neighborhood," and it is a very nice transition, honestly, for this

02:44:41.680 --> 02:44:47.920
 big piece of property to go from the subdivision to the multifamily to the commercial that

02:44:47.920 --> 02:44:50.700
 is eventually going to be on the corner.

02:44:50.700 --> 02:44:56.480
 I think this, unfortunately, just offers some confusion out there as to what this really

02:44:56.480 --> 02:44:57.980
 is.

02:44:57.980 --> 02:45:06.120
 For me, personally, what I see is pretty minor things to the original plan.

02:45:06.120 --> 02:45:10.480
 In work session, I asked Sean what were those key elements that were discussed the first

02:45:10.480 --> 02:45:14.500
 time around, and all of those key elements are intact.

02:45:14.500 --> 02:45:18.080
 Those are not being touched at all.

02:45:18.080 --> 02:45:25.480
 What I see here is changes being made so that that commercial property can get deeper, and

02:45:25.480 --> 02:45:31.560
 the reconfiguration of the original SUP, which is why it's before us today.

02:45:31.560 --> 02:45:32.960
 It's not a brand new request.

02:45:32.960 --> 02:45:36.380
 It's not new things that weren't discussed previously.

02:45:36.380 --> 02:45:42.000
 All of those key elements, again, that were for neighborhood protections are still there.

02:45:42.000 --> 02:45:47.060
 I'll offer those as my two cents, in my opinion.

02:45:47.060 --> 02:45:54.700
 Is there any other discussion that anyone wanted to offer or a motion?

02:45:54.700 --> 02:45:55.700
 Commissioner Cole?

02:45:55.700 --> 02:45:58.360
 I make a motion to approve.

02:45:58.360 --> 02:45:59.360
 Okay.

02:45:59.360 --> 02:46:00.360
 Commissioner Pruitt?

02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:01.360
 Second.

02:46:01.360 --> 02:46:02.360
 Okay.

02:46:02.360 --> 02:46:03.840
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

02:46:03.840 --> 02:46:05.520
 Is there any further discussion?

02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:06.520
 Commissioner Villarreal?

02:46:06.520 --> 02:46:10.840
 Thank you, Chair, and thank you all for coming here today and for the presentation.

02:46:10.840 --> 02:46:15.840
 I'm expecting this to pass, but I do have some concerns with the lack of insight to

02:46:15.840 --> 02:46:20.240
 that community meeting and with the lack of outreach to the folks who reached out for

02:46:20.240 --> 02:46:21.240
 the ASUP.

02:46:21.240 --> 02:46:25.120
 I know there was a lot of outreach during the SUP process in November.

02:46:25.120 --> 02:46:26.720
 I went back and watched the meeting, too.

02:46:26.720 --> 02:46:33.560
 I voted for the original SUP, but the lack of public engagement this time around trying

02:46:33.560 --> 02:46:37.600
 to figure out what those issues were, that's a concern to me.

02:46:37.600 --> 02:46:38.600
 Thank you.

02:46:38.600 --> 02:46:39.600
 Thank you.

02:46:39.600 --> 02:46:40.600
 Any other discussion?

02:46:40.600 --> 02:46:41.600
 Okay.

02:46:41.600 --> 02:46:51.320
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

02:46:51.320 --> 02:46:53.640
 That motion will carry 5-1.

02:46:53.640 --> 02:47:00.520
 That will take us to our planning and zoning matrix, and I will turn it over to Haley.

02:47:00.520 --> 02:47:01.520
 Good evening.

02:47:01.520 --> 02:47:04.700
 I don't believe we had any changes on the matrix.

02:47:04.700 --> 02:47:11.040
 Just to report on recent council actions that relate to P&Z items, as you all have probably

02:47:11.040 --> 02:47:14.240
 seen, short-term rentals has been postponed to September 24th.

02:47:14.240 --> 02:47:19.080
 We are doing additional outreach regarding that since there was a tie vote at council

02:47:19.080 --> 02:47:23.160
 to ensure that we meet all notice requirements, so that will be back as a public hearing on

02:47:23.160 --> 02:47:25.640
 September 24th.

02:47:25.640 --> 02:47:30.160
 The P&Z reconsideration process, that code amendment, did pass 4-3 at the last council

02:47:30.160 --> 02:47:35.640
 meeting, so that will be in the books for you all to utilize moving forward.

02:47:35.640 --> 02:47:37.560
 And then we did have one zoning change.

02:47:37.560 --> 02:47:42.640
 If you recall, the change from rural residential to light industrial on the south side of university

02:47:42.640 --> 02:47:47.800
 that was adjacent to the newly approved SUP for an equipment rental facility, that was

02:47:47.800 --> 02:47:52.240
 approved by council as well at their previous meeting, and those are the only updates I

02:47:52.240 --> 02:47:53.240
 have for you all.

02:47:53.240 --> 02:47:54.240
 Okay.

02:47:54.240 --> 02:47:58.120
 Haley, with regard to short-term rentals, I mean, that presentation is remaining the

02:47:58.120 --> 02:47:59.120
 same, correct?

02:47:59.120 --> 02:48:00.120
 Correct.

02:48:00.120 --> 02:48:01.120
 Okay.

02:48:01.120 --> 02:48:02.640
 No changes have been made since it was a tie vote.

02:48:02.640 --> 02:48:07.320
 Council procedures call for it to return on each subsequent agenda, but since the public

02:48:07.320 --> 02:48:11.920
 hearing has had such a long process, we did determine the safest course of action was

02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:15.720
 to re-notice for a public hearing and make sure everyone that could be affected by the

02:48:15.720 --> 02:48:20.720
 zoning change and the use changes in our residential districts would receive additional opportunity

02:48:20.720 --> 02:48:21.720
 to come out.

02:48:21.720 --> 02:48:22.720
 Which is why it was pushed out.

02:48:22.720 --> 02:48:23.720
 Okay.

02:48:23.720 --> 02:48:24.720
 Commissioner Thacker.

02:48:24.720 --> 02:48:25.720
 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:48:25.720 --> 02:48:26.720
 Thank you, Chair.

02:48:26.720 --> 02:48:27.720
 I'm sorry.

02:48:27.720 --> 02:48:29.680
 I just didn't hear you completely what you just said in regards to the owners.

02:48:29.680 --> 02:48:30.680
 Sure.

02:48:30.680 --> 02:48:35.100
 So we are in an effort to make sure everyone is noticed properly, re-noticing citywide

02:48:35.100 --> 02:48:41.200
 to all zoning districts that would have a short-term rental use allowed in that zoning

02:48:41.200 --> 02:48:42.200
 district.

02:48:42.200 --> 02:48:46.560
 So those notices will be going out for a new public hearing on the 24th, at which time hopefully

02:48:46.560 --> 02:48:50.840
 we have a full council to reach a non-tie vote on the item.

02:48:50.840 --> 02:48:51.840
 Right.

02:48:51.840 --> 02:48:55.880
 And what has been the outreach from some of those owners?

02:48:55.880 --> 02:49:02.840
 I know that I personally get airfuls and questions from owners asking, I mean, these are really

02:49:02.840 --> 02:49:06.240
 bright people, some of them who've served on council and served on P&Z before that are

02:49:06.240 --> 02:49:10.880
 trying to make sure that they understand if they are grandfathered, if they're not, if

02:49:10.880 --> 02:49:14.440
 it's based off of purchase, if it's based off of when they registered it.

02:49:14.440 --> 02:49:15.440
 Yes.

02:49:15.440 --> 02:49:20.640
 So Angie is the case manager on that, has spoken to countless people, anyone that reaches

02:49:20.640 --> 02:49:23.600
 out to her, she's happy to sit down and talk to them about it.

02:49:23.600 --> 02:49:29.000
 We did have a, following the first council meeting regarding this, we had a meeting with

02:49:29.000 --> 02:49:33.480
 the real estate community and any citizens, we opened it up to anyone that wanted to attend

02:49:33.480 --> 02:49:35.600
 and had several residents there as well.

02:49:35.600 --> 02:49:39.760
 So we've had multiple town hall events trying to get the word out.

02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:43.360
 So if anyone that you know of does have questions, feel free to send them our way and we're happy

02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:44.920
 to sit down and talk with them.

02:49:44.920 --> 02:49:48.560
 Yeah, that would be ideal.

02:49:48.560 --> 02:49:51.160
 Anything for the matrix?

02:49:51.160 --> 02:49:54.320
 I've got a couple of things.

02:49:54.320 --> 02:50:00.220
 This is probably not for the matrix, but maybe for as a staff item.

02:50:00.220 --> 02:50:08.480
 When we have things, things like we had tonight in this previously approved SUP and we have

02:50:08.480 --> 02:50:16.040
 a meeting, could we maybe link the video in the backup or if not that, at least mention

02:50:16.040 --> 02:50:17.040
 it?

02:50:17.040 --> 02:50:22.880
 It's super helpful, especially to be able to go back and rewatch that and that date sometimes

02:50:22.880 --> 02:50:26.920
 might get lost in the backup of when one can go access that.

02:50:26.920 --> 02:50:31.560
 So I don't know if that's something that can be done or how easily it could be done, but

02:50:31.560 --> 02:50:35.280
 I think it's super important on issues like this.

02:50:35.280 --> 02:50:43.360
 So anything I think that we've had a past public meeting that we're rehashing, if that

02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:47.200
 is not too much trouble for that video of that meeting to be linked in there, I think

02:50:47.200 --> 02:50:51.560
 that would be very helpful to any PNZs going forward.

02:50:51.560 --> 02:50:52.960
 We should easily be able to do that.

02:50:52.960 --> 02:50:57.000
 And then the other thing I had, and I'm not sure exactly date-wise when this would make

02:50:57.000 --> 02:51:05.120
 sense, but we had an awful lot of discussion with Gary tonight or he offered a lot of insight.

02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:11.760
 Could we maybe get an update to that aquatics plan and that senior center and whenever it's

02:51:11.760 --> 02:51:12.760
 appropriate?

02:51:12.760 --> 02:51:17.440
 Obviously they're in the throes of it is what it seems like, so down the road.

02:51:17.440 --> 02:51:25.920
 But I know it's been a bit, I think, since Gary has talked to us and given us an update.

02:51:25.920 --> 02:51:29.160
 Maybe the Parks Master Plan or Trails Master Plan was the last time we had Gary on PNZ.

02:51:29.160 --> 02:51:30.160
 I think that is right.

02:51:30.160 --> 02:51:31.720
 We can reach out and try to coordinate that with that.

02:51:31.720 --> 02:51:32.720
 That'd be great.

02:51:32.720 --> 02:51:33.720
 Thank you.

02:51:33.720 --> 02:51:34.720
 Commissioner Improved.

02:51:34.720 --> 02:51:35.720
 Thank you, Chair.

02:51:35.720 --> 02:51:39.880
 Yeah, I just, especially since you asked about links to previous things, I really appreciate

02:51:39.880 --> 02:51:45.000
 the tabular list of the history that has helped me.

02:51:45.000 --> 02:51:49.040
 I also, I don't know if this was staffs doing or just Granicus had an upgrade, but I've

02:51:49.040 --> 02:51:54.200
 noticed recently that there's some sort of an automated transcript that is searchable

02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:55.520
 within the Granicus system.

02:51:55.520 --> 02:52:00.340
 So if you search for certain text, it will actually give you a portion of a video where

02:52:00.340 --> 02:52:01.340
 people said that.

02:52:01.340 --> 02:52:03.720
 So it's, I found that helpful recently.

02:52:03.720 --> 02:52:05.640
 So thank you if there's thanks due.

02:52:05.640 --> 02:52:06.640
 That is.

02:52:06.640 --> 02:52:07.640
 Thank you.

02:52:07.640 --> 02:52:10.040
 Okay, nothing else for the matrix?

02:52:10.040 --> 02:52:11.520
 Concluding items?

02:52:11.520 --> 02:52:13.600
 Okay.

02:52:13.600 --> 02:52:16.680
 With that, I'll go ahead and adjourn us at 8, 19 PM.

02:52:16.680 --> 02:52:17.560
 Thank you very much, everyone.