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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, August 14th, 2024.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present, I'll call us to order at 5.03 p.m.

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 Let the record show that commissioners Thaggart and commissioner Pruitt are absent at this

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 First item on our work session agenda is citizen comment on the consent agenda.

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 Is there anyone here wishing to speak on consent?

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 That will move us then to our second item on work session.

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 That's clarification for tonight's agenda.

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 That will start with the minutes from the 17th and the 24th.

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 Any discussion upon those questions?

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 High commissioner Pruitt.

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 Next will be the consent agenda.

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 We've got two items there.

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 We'll go to items for individual consideration then 4A is FP240026.

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 Sean did you want to give us a synopsis of that?

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 >> Good evening.

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 Sean Jacobson.

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 Members of the commission.

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 Let me just pull this up here.

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 So FP2424B, seen this before, this is a plat for the Sage Creek town homes.

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 They have resolved all of the outstanding concerns and they are ready to go and we are

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 >> Thank you, Sean.

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 This is for the Asintio Ventures Plat and yes, we are recommending denial because they

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 do not yet meet the criteria for approval.

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 My name is Angie Manglaris.

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 I am playing the role of Matt this evening here to present FP240023C.

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 This is a final plat for an approximately 15-acre tract of land generally located north of Fish

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 It is zoned light industrial.

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 At the time, the final plat does not meet our criteria for approval.

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 They are requesting their third extension to a date certain of September 11th, which

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 Members of the commission, Bryce VanArtsville, assistant planner.

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 This is a final replat for approximately 36 acres, 0.5 miles south of Bonnie Bray Street

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 >> Julie Wyatt, this is a FR240008, it's a replat of the Country Lakes addition.

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 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, senior planner.

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 It's a zoning compliance plan for Alterra at Razor Ranch, which is a multi-family residential

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 Handicapped ramps and downtown.

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 Those are all things that we're considering and those are included as recommendations

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 within the plan.

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 Walkability is huge.

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 That's something that we heard from members of the community that that was one thing that

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 was a huge focus to us in the plan.

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 So ADA ramps, wider sidewalks, multimodal transportation, those are all things that are being recommended

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 and going forward in the plan.

271
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 Awesome.

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 Thank you.

273
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 Of course.

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 I have one quick thing as well just to make sure that this is conveyed as well.

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 When we did, especially our online engagement, we didn't draw a boundary around downtown

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 when we were asking people to do our online mapping tool.

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 We let them self-define what they thought downtown was.

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 And then all of the comments that sort of fell outside of our study area were provided

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 to Southeast Denton plan that were communicated to the planners who work around the university

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 as well.

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 So we were really trying to make sure that we were making sure that we understand that

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 there's an area of influence that goes beyond downtown as well.

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 And making sure that we were doing everything in coordination with the other planning efforts

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 that were going on.

285
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 Fantastic.

286
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 Thank you.

287
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 Thank you.

288
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 Cameron, on the note of back to the note of like ADA and special things, did you talk

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 to the committee?

290
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 Oh, I know you talked to so many people, but did you meet with the committee with persons

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 with disabilities?

292
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 We had tried to schedule the first time that we had scheduled with the committee.

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 Unfortunately, they didn't have quorum.

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 And then the second time that it was held, unfortunately, staff was very much at our

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 limits in terms of availability at that time.

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 And we're trying to finalize.

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 So we are planning on going in September prior to city council.

298
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 Oh, that'd be nice.

299
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 Yeah.

300
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 I think that would be great just to see if there's something that they could add to if

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 there's anything that was missed, that would certainly be the group that that would have

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 a better pulse on it.

303
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 Definitely.

304
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 Okay, anything else?

305
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 Thank you very much.

306
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 Thanks for being here.

307
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 Okay.

308
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 Final public hearing item tonight is 5D ASUP 23000.

309
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 And Sean is here for this item.

310
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 Thank you, Chair, members of the commission, Sean Jacobson.

311
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 Let me just get this pulled up here.

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 So this is ASUP 230001, which is the landmark at Locust multifamily.

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 So you all may recall this property actually has a fully approved site plan for 660 units

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 of multifamily.

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 It was approved back in 2022.

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 And so this is not regarding a change in use in any way.

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 What they're requesting is some site changes actually to expand the area available for

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 commercial non-residential development adjacent to the property.

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 So following approval, the property owner and the developer came back to us and said,

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 hey, we've looked at it.

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 The area we have left for non-residential development isn't, it's not really deep enough

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 for retail pads there.

323
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 Could we make some changes and the amount of changes that they were proposing in terms

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 of moving street extensions, turning them into drive aisles.

325
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 It was enough that we said we can't just administratively approve that.

326
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 We do need to take that back to PNZ and city council.

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 And so what we're bringing the amendments are changes to the site truly to accomplish

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 that goal of expanding the available non-residential at the corner there.

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 So use is approved, having multifamily there is approved.

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 This is actually a slight reduction in the number of multifamily units and buildings

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 in order to accomplish this goal.

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 And of course, we'll discuss in more detail, but that's essentially the essence of this.

333
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 It's an amendment to the site plan of an approved development.

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 So happy to answer any questions.

335
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 >> Thank you.

336
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 I know I went back and watched that video, that was October of '22, I think, just to

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 make sure that things were still like, those things weren't changing.

338
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 So I assume like Atlas Drive is still going to be just an emergency access.

339
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 >> Absolutely.

340
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 >> We still have that pedestrian access outside of the gate to the apartment complex, right,

341
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 where they would be able to access from that street to get to the commercial sites.

342
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 That's still in place.

343
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 >> All still there.

344
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 >> Okay.

345
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 They're still doing a phase development, so that south side is being developed first?

346
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 >> I believe, yes, yes, that's correct.

347
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 >> And with that, they're doing all of the key connective infrastructure, including the

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 drive aisle that goes out across from AME as well.

349
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 So all those kind of those essential things they're doing with phase one.

350
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 >> Okay, okay.

351
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 Yeah, I think I read that.

352
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 Let me just see.

353
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 Yeah, so the buffer's staying, right, that tree stand is staying on.

354
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 >> Not touching.

355
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 >> Yeah, okay.

356
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 >> The thing about how that's designed.

357
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 >> Perfect, perfect.

358
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 So then I guess the only, the traffic light, so is that different than what we discussed?

359
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 >> Nope.

360
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 It's the same place.

361
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 >> Yep.

362
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 >> Which is going to be at?

363
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 >> At, across from Beale and Locust.

364
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 >> Beale.

365
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 >> Yes.

366
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 >> Right, so AME is right in, right out.

367
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 >> So the change there, so if you were on the development, you can go right out.

368
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 It is actually going to, rather than restricted, it is going to a full intersection.

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 So we were able to work through that more with transportation, and the concern was,

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 what had been recommended was something that wouldn't allow folks across the way, across

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 Locust, on the AME side, they would have never been able to go north the way it was proposed.

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 When we looked at it more like, no, they really need the ability to actually take a left turn

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 out of there.

374
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 >> Okay.

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 >> And so we looked at that and determined that that could be done safely and changed

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 the intersection accordingly.

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 >> So that'll be done, I mean that won't have a light, so you're talking about the people

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 on the north side, no, that's not north, west I guess it would be?

379
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 >> Yes.

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 >> They'd be able to turn left out of there.

381
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 >> Yes.

382
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 >> In this new apartment complex, they can only go right out of there, correct?

383
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 >> That was originally, but they were proposing a pork chop, which was not something that

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 tech set where we were comfortable with.

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 So they will be able to turn out of AME.

386
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 >> Turn left or right out of AME, or whatever that's going to be called on that side?

387
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 >> I believe so, I'm going to confirm that because I want to make sure that I'm stating

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 that correctly.

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 But I believe we did state that was a full intersection.

390
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 >> Okay, then there would be no in there?

391
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 It would just be an exit?

392
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 >> No, it would be a full left, right.

393
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 So you could turn in, you could turn out.

394
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 >> Okay.

395
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 >> But however, they are putting in a dedicated turn lane doing south.

396
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 >> Okay.

397
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 Okay, I'll look forward to seeing that later.

398
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 Okay, I think that answers my questions for now, Commissioner Villarreal.

399
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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 I know we had quite a few letters of opposition in the packet, and then a few emails that

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 came in.

402
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 And I know they had a meeting where about, I think it was a dozen folks showed up.

403
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 Was staff present at that meeting by chance?

404
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 >> Staff was not able to make it over there from a prior commitment.

405
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 So the report we had was that the residents were generally in favor of it when they found

406
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 out that none of the things that they had been really concerned about had changed.

407
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 And I will note, none of the letters we have received this time were opposition letters

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 from those who were in support the first time.

409
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 >> Gotcha.

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 And I guess, did staff reach out to those folks who had written letters in opposition

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 letting them know what the changes were, and was there a positive response after that?

412
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 Do we know if that occurred?

413
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 >> No, we mostly reached out just to let them know that we would pass those concerns on.

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 In some cases, there weren't necessarily clear concerns expressed, and the objections were

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 often to kind of the concept of multifamily, which this isn't changing.

416
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 >> Gotcha.

417
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 Thank you.

418
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 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

419
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 >> Thank you, Chair.

420
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 Unfortunately I didn't go back and watch the entire session.

421
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 So my memory may be a little rusty.

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 But I remember some discussion about the vision for that street that's along the northern

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 border of the multifamily area.

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 Procedurally, once they get to the phase where they do want to start developing the commercial,

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 is that staff reviewed?

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 Is that because it's an NSUP, does that come back before us?

427
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 I'm trying to -- I just want to understand what the process is.

428
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 It would be wonderful if commercial development in the area were something other than blank

429
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 loading docks in front of the residents here, in other words.

430
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 So the area outside of the multifamily area would be a staff approval as long as those

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 uses that they were pursuing were things that were permitted by right within the suburban

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 corridor.

433
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 But keep in mind, all of our requirements for adjacency buffering would be in place

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 and actually somewhat stronger because the right-of-way separation is being removed,

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 and so it will actually be adjacent lot to adjacent lot, and therefore all of our buffers

436
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 that would not necessarily apply if you have a right-of-way in the middle now would apply.

437
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 Okay.

438
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 Thank you.

439
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 Any other questions at the moment for Sean?

440
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 Sean, there was one thing I didn't write down that is one of the changes, and I can't remember

441
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 what it is now.

442
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 Does it have to do with, like, building style or --

443
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 Yes.

444
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 Talk me through that.

445
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 I was a little confused as to why they're asking for that.

446
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 Yeah.

447
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 So part of the challenge was when they made this change, it pushed the drive aisles in

448
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 the direction of the multifamily, reducing the developable area that they had.

449
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 That forced them to change the sizes and configurations of the buildings to fit into the remaining

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 space, and therefore they proposed a larger number of designs because they had to fit

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 into more slots.

452
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 They had less room, and so they had to come up with things that could fit into areas.

453
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 They did also propose some just general aesthetic changes.

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 Staff reviewing them determined that they still meet our criteria, still a nice design,

455
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 but it was mostly that need to fit into a smaller area that caused that.

456
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 Okay.

457
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 Understood.

458
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 Okay.

459
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 Anything else?

460
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 Okay.

461
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 Look forward to the full presentation --

462
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,960
 Absolutely.

463
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 -- later on.

464
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 Thank you.

465
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 Thank you very much for answering our questions.

466
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 Okay, that takes us through our agenda for this evening, so now we'll get into our work

467
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 session reports.

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 The first one being 3A, PZ24163, Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, Give Staff Direction

469
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 Regarding an Ordinance to the City of Denton, Mending the DDC to Include Affordable Housing

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 Incentive Procedures.

471
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 Hello.

472
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 Hey.

473
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 I'm much shorter than Shawn is.

474
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,800
 Good evening, Commission.

475
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 My name is Leah Atkinson.

476
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 I'm the Housing Programs Coordinator.

477
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 It is good to see you again.

478
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 I am here today to return for your consideration the proposed Affordability Incentives Amendment.

479
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 So in summary, this is a proposed amendment to update the Denton Development Code to include

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 Section 212, Affordability Incentive Procedures.

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 This amendment would introduce nine different development incentives, each of which offers

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 slight deviation from the standard DDC requirements.

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 Any residential development would have the option to utilize one or more of these incentives

484
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 in exchange for including affordability within their development.

485
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 This was brought to you for consideration in July, and the Commission's direction at

486
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 that time was to come back for a second work session after conducting more public engagement.

487
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 Staff has conducted that public engagement and is returning.

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 I will first briefly review the basics of the proposed amendment as originally offered

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 before diving into that public engagement.

490
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 So just briefly, staff's proposal today is presented in alignment with a few different

491
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 planning documents.

492
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 First and foremost, the Affordable Housing Strategic Toolkit, of which this is an item

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 outlined.

494
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 Additionally, City Council's priority to prioritize to foster economic opportunity and affordability,

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 as well as the Denton 2040 Plan and the Economic Development Strategic Plan.

496
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 These are the nine incentives proposed, a 20 percent deviation from the minimum yard

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 and setback requirements, building coverage requirements, minimum building coverage to

498
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 be specific, minimum lot width, depth and area, maximum building height, and minimum

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 unit size.

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 Additionally, a 10-point reduction in the landscaping area point system and a parking

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 reduction down to one spot per affordable dwelling unit.

502
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 And exchange developments would be dedicating some of their homes to low-income residents

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 at rates affordable to those low-income residents, whether that be leases or homes for ownership.

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 The scale of affordability would increase depending on the number of incentives utilized.

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 If just one incentive is utilized, 20 percent of those homes would be dedicated to low-income

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 households, divided into smaller categories of different AMI levels included within low

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 income.

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 And that scales upwards to 65 percent as a maximum for four or more incentives utilized.

509
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,760
 Additionally, as originally proposed, the duration of affordability also scales up with

510
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,480
 the number of incentives utilized, starting at 20 years for just one incentive and increasing

511
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:55,040
 to a maximum of 45 years if four or more incentives are utilized.

512
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,480
 This is an example we worked together to create.

513
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,260
 This is a real example of a real development in Denton.

514
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:03,400
 This is Sherman Crossing, multifamily development.

515
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,880
 This is a vision to meet the landscaping area point system.

516
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,360
 They chose two elements from section A, B, and C, respectively.

517
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:20,320
 This is an illustration of what they might have done were they to utilize the landscaping

518
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,200
 area point system reduction incentive.

519
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,400
 So in that scenario, they might have removed their obligation to create a parking island

520
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:33,600
 every ten spaces, as well as plant trees that exceed four caliper inches.

521
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,320
 So still planting all those same trees, just slightly smaller at the time of planting,

522
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,040
 which saves that developer a good bit of upfront cost.

523
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,360
 So you can see that illustrated there.

524
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,820
 The development overall had 294 units.

525
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:51,640
 So in exchange, if they had utilized this incentive, 59 of their units would need to

526
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:58,280
 be affordable for that 20 percent.

527
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,400
 This development can also just as well be used for single-family development.

528
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,700
 This is a close-up of a subdivision just showing a single block.

529
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:11,080
 This is the Stella Hills subdivision just focusing in.

530
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,020
 We can see here what it might look like if this development were to utilize the lot width

531
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:16,400
 incentive.

532
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,360
 So here first I have illustrated the existing block with its 16 lots highlighted in bright

533
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:28,360
 yellow that 10-foot reduction in what it might look like on the existing 50-foot wide lots.

534
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:34,720
 This development is an R6, so 50 feet width is their existing minimum lot width.

535
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
 That could be reduced to 40 feet.

536
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,960
 And then next I have displayed a reimagined version of that block showing 40-foot wide

537
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:48,440
 lots, and in that scenario they could fit 20 lots instead of 16 lots.

538
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,600
 That subdivision overall had 316 total homes.

539
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,760
 If they were to utilize an incentive like this, they would likely be able to create

540
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:03,600
 more homes, and 63 of those 316 homes would be dedicated to low-income households and

541
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:11,520
 be sold to low-income households.

542
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,160
 So staff did conduct public engagement as per the direction of this commission.

543
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,820
 Most notably staff hosted a town hall on Monday, August 5th.

544
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:25,920
 This was the invitations were sent out to development services developer town hall email

545
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,000
 group, which reaches many, many folks.

546
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,560
 Approximately 30 were in attendance.

547
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,000
 That was a mix of developers and residents who were interested and invested.

548
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,400
 To accommodate those who may not be able to attend the town hall, staff also attached

549
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,960
 to every invitation and to the posting on the website a version of the presentation

550
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,040
 provided to you in July, as well as a form to directly provide feedback, just reviewing

551
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,680
 the presentation and saying what you think.

552
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,720
 And that received 11 responses as well.

553
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,040
 Primarily, the feedback from both residents and developers wasn't interested in seeing

554
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800
 stronger incentives that would increase developer buy-in.

555
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,280
 A summary of the feedback that was received during that town hall and an exact copy of

556
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:17,160
 everything staff received virtually is included in exhibit 3 for your review.

557
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:23,600
 In response to that, staff did hear two suggestions that could be incorporated into the existing

558
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960
 proposal, which I'll show here.

559
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:32,900
 This is the affordability table as previously presented, but with two adjustments.

560
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:37,840
 One suggestion that we heard was we could increase the ratio of incentives for the same

561
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,400
 amount of affordability, so starting that table at three.

562
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,720
 So in this scenario, a developer could use up to three incentives and provide 20 percent

563
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,160
 of their homes as affordable and then scale up from there, and only hitting that maximum

564
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,720
 65 percent at eight incentives.

565
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,160
 An additional suggestion that we heard was standardizing the duration of affordability

566
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,200
 to 30 years.

567
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,000
 This could prove to make the program more accessible to a developer just by having it

568
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,400
 be the same across the table.

569
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,820
 If the commission is interested in either of these changes, these are changes we could

570
00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:18,640
 make, would not have to do both, could take one or the other, could take neither.

571
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,040
 Moving on from that, there are three options today.

572
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:29,620
 First, to proceed to a public hearing August 23rd as originally proposed without any changes.

573
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:35,760
 To proceed to a public hearing August 23rd with adjustments either and/or of the two

574
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,840
 that I just showed you, increasing that ratio of incentives per affordable units, starting

575
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:47,480
 that table at three incentives, and/or standardizing that duration of affordability to 30 years,

576
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,840
 regardless of the number of incentives utilized.

577
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,880
 If this commission would like to suggest substantial changes or if additional feedback is going

578
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,400
 to be required, staff will request to postpone that August 28th public hearing to have sufficient

579
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680
 time to make those changes.

580
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,160
 With that, that is all that I have for you today.

581
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560
 I want to appreciate, I want to thank you for your time and your consideration.

582
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,680
 I appreciate you, and I'm looking forward to the discussion.

583
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,720
 Thank you.

584
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,720
 Commission Perot.

585
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,720
 Thank you, Chair.

586
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:24,520
 I have a couple of questions on the 30-year versus the increasing years.

587
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,440
 Can you educate us on why that might be a request?

588
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,220
 I imagine it might have to do with financing or other terms or management.

589
00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:35,840
 Just help me understand why that is beneficial.

590
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,840
 Yeah.

591
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:43,880
 To elaborate a little bit more, that suggestion came from a statewide housing advocate who

592
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,760
 was suggesting that we do that to line up more with other federal affordability programs,

593
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400
 such as the housing tax credit program and other such things.

594
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,120
 Additionally, just protecting residents from a situation where they might not, might need

595
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200
 to leave in a quicker way than 30 years.

596
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
 So that was that suggestion.

597
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,200
 Thank you.

598
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,840
 And then also, I know a lot of effort has gone into this, specifically in the height

599
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,840
 incentive.

600
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:22,320
 I noticed that that doesn't allow any modification or ... I'm not sure what words to use.

601
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,440
 The compatibility requirements that we have, which is, I think, 40 feet within 50 feet

602
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:34,360
 of a property line and then 50 feet after 100 feet, that sort of thing, are not amended

603
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,440
 or relaxed due to this.

604
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,600
 Can you explain how staff came to that recommendation, as opposed to trying to amend them a little

605
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,280
 bit better?

606
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,480
 I can see Angie coming up.

607
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680
 Do you want me to just pass that one to you?

608
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,680
 Yeah.

609
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:56,640
 Angie Mingler is a development review manager, and I've been working a little bit with Leah

610
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,720
 and her team on these incentives.

611
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,000
 A lot of this comes down to, we're trying to find a bit of a balance and a good place

612
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,840
 to start with these incentives.

613
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:15,160
 We have the height and transition areas built into the DDC to protect residential uses in

614
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,640
 those zoning districts against incompatible height.

615
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:27,040
 Because this is being implemented as a by-write, they're not required to do an SUP, or a zoning,

616
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960
 or anything of that nature.

617
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,600
 These would be things that would be approved at the staff level, and that height transition

618
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:41,140
 could be somewhat jarring, a 40-foot residential structure next to what was 65 feet, but now

619
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:43,760
 has an additional 20% on top of it.

620
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880
 Allowing those as blanket statements didn't feel like the right starting place.

621
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,560
 We wanted to keep those areas of transitions and those protected areas for our residential

622
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,560
 uses.

623
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,560
 Okay.

624
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560
 Thank you.

625
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,680
 Then I guess one more question, and then I'll have some direction.

626
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560
 More on the affordability side, sorry.

627
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:13,600
 I take it some of this was put together by speaking to other cities in Texas, and that

628
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,600
 sort of thing.

629
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,600
 Is that right?

630
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,600
 Correct.

631
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,600
 Yes.

632
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,600
 Okay.

633
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:26,240
 I know my question last time about residential in commercial zoning districts, are you aware

634
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:32,000
 that Austin in particular has an ordinance, which technically it was passed at a separate

635
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:40,080
 time from the affordability unlocked program, but it basically works in context or in concert

636
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:47,960
 with it to allow by-write multifamily within several commercial districts?

637
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,960
 Yes.

638
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,960
 Staff is aware of that.

639
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,880
 Staff has studied Austin's programs pretty extensively.

640
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,540
 What I would say is, again, kind of speaking to what Angie just said, this is a starting

641
00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:59,400
 point for staff.

642
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,520
 If these go well or if we see an opportunity to expand it, staff will be returning to you

643
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,120
 to suggest that.

644
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,840
 However, this is a starting point that staff can feel confident about.

645
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,840
 As we discussed a little bit, it is a lot easier to scale up than to end up having to

646
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,360
 scale back if there's something negative that happens in relation to starting a little bit

647
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,080
 bigger than this.

648
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,720
 Similar to how those weren't necessarily passed at the same time, they aren't considered

649
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,720
 off the table.

650
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,720
 Okay.

651
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,000
 I appreciate that.

652
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,520
 I understand staff is trying to get something started that hasn't had a lot of discussion

653
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,440
 in the community and that sort of thing.

654
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:47,200
 Ultimately, I feel like often we bring a trowel to something where we need a backhoe four

655
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,840
 years ago.

656
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,440
 While I understand that reticence to move too quickly, I think we're in a situation

657
00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:01,360
 where we haven't been moving quickly enough for a long time.

658
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,360
 Can I give direction?

659
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,360
 Sure.

660
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:10,880
 My direction would be to agree with the community's feedback, specifically about the 30-year recommendation.

661
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:20,920
 I would also say that I'm in favor of putting in a residential income in the SC Zoning District

662
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:27,160
 in particular under this program as an additional option.

663
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:33,840
 I would also say that I completely understand the desire to make sure the transition areas

664
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:41,200
 are not very different, and I would say that most of these things, the Austin ordinance

665
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,640
 gives a 50% or greater bonus to, and we're only going with a 20%.

666
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:55,520
 I would say on the height restriction incentive to include a 20% reduction in the distances

667
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,960
 for the compatibility areas, but not the heights, so that's a relatively small difference.

668
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,960
 It means that if you had a compatibility of 40 feet at 50 feet away from the property

669
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,320
 line, now it's 40 feet away from the property line.

670
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,280
 Then lastly, I would say that when I look at the list of incentives, to me, I know you

671
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:24,440
 said the parking was one that was very well received, probably has the most value so far.

672
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,640
 The height one, I think, has a lot of potential to have a lot of value, and then if it's the

673
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,560
 commission and our councils wish to allow multi-family within the SC Zoning District,

674
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600
 I think that would have a lot of value.

675
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,440
 My proposal for that chart, instead of starting at three or having more than one incentive

676
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:51,960
 per column, I would say those three incentives count as one incentive point, if you will,

677
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:58,920
 and then all of the other incentives count as half a point, such that you could get two

678
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:06,680
 of those other incentives for the same number of columns that you move over, by moving over

679
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,680
 one column.

680
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,680
 Does that make sense?

681
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:09,680
 I am hearing you, yes.

682
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,300
 There's a lot of stuff in that, so please ask if you need more detail.

683
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:15,600
 I'll check with Haley.

684
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,880
 Haley, do you have all that?

685
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,880
 Okay.

686
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,280
 This is a collaborative effort, so okay.

687
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,280
 Okay.

688
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,280
 All right.

689
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,280
 Commissioner Villareal.

690
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,280
 Thanks.

691
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,960
 I'm not too hung up either way, but I would like to voice my support for proceeding with

692
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,720
 staff's written plan.

693
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:33,720
 Okay.

694
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,720
 Questions?

695
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,720
 Comments?

696
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:43,440
 Yeah, I heard a lot of what you said.

697
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:53,440
 The problem is I'm not sure that it's been studied and looked at in a way that we would

698
00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:02,920
 all know exactly what we're giving direction to, so I guess help me there.

699
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:11,160
 I'm not sure how we want to proceed with your timeline.

700
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
 The standardization, I actually really like that.

701
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,120
 I think that's a great thing to change.

702
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,640
 And then, yeah, I'm probably okay with their feedback of starting the table with three

703
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,640
 incentives too.

704
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:34,920
 I mean, the thing is you need developer buy-in for this, and the more we put out there what

705
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,520
 they want, the more buy-in that we're going to get and we're actually going to have this

706
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,520
 do something.

707
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,600
 So, yeah, Commissioner Thacker.

708
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,600
 Thank you, Chair.

709
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,080
 Yeah, my next question was going to be what did the one developer say?

710
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,080
 Oh, yeah.

711
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,800
 So, when I say the one developer, that was the one developer that submitted online feedback.

712
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,200
 There were, I think, at least four developers who identified themselves as such, and that's

713
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,440
 not individuals, that's groups who are at the town hall physically, so I don't want you

714
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,880
 to think we just heard from one.

715
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:12,320
 But, yeah, from developers, we did hear a mix of that height in parking, landscaping

716
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,840
 area and setbacks were all useful.

717
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,500
 We especially heard that from multi-family developers.

718
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:25,400
 We did hear that what would be more helpful would be things like reimbursements for impact

719
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,720
 fees and things of that nature.

720
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:34,800
 That's something we're exploring with bonds stuff, and we do have a developer fee grant

721
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,120
 that is able to be utilized that does a similar function to that, but for this specifically,

722
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:45,160
 which is just zoning specific, we heard that some of these would be helpful, would be utilized.

723
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,920
 We did hear stronger incentives would be utilized more.

724
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,920
 Can I follow up, Chair?

725
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,920
 Of course.

726
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,120
 Thank you, Chair.

727
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:58,860
 I would like to hear more feedback on what they feel about the resale of the property.

728
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,160
 I honestly don't think that we got any feedback about that specifically, to be honest with

729
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,160
 you.

730
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:13,000
 I read it, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm a little too dense on this, but 2.125B, 50%

731
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,240
 of net proceeds from the sale shall be paid to the city?

732
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,900
 That's specifically in a scenario where they sell it at market rate, so they're essentially

733
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,640
 breaking their agreement with us.

734
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,240
 In that scenario, they're not holding true to their commitment to be affordable for 30

735
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,240
 years, as it may be.

736
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,640
 That's if they sold it to someone who was not going to maintain that commitment.

737
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,640
 Okay.

738
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,040
 In that case, those proceeds would go back into another affordability program, essentially.

739
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,040
 Okay.

740
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,920
 Did I summarize that well?

741
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,920
 Yeah.

742
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,920
 Danger.

743
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,880
 That makes sense, because you don't want someone to get all these incentives and say, "Oh,

744
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,280
 we're going to do this," and then ... Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

745
00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:00,320
 We've got to have something to hold true.

746
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,220
 Anybody else want to offer any feedback, comments, direction?

747
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:13,960
 I don't know exactly how you should proceed at this juncture.

748
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,960
 With some of the things Commissioner Pruitt mentioned, I would think we'd need a little

749
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,840
 bit more hashing out to want to put in here, or how do you ... Yeah.

750
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,840
 Sorry.

751
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,840
 Okay.

752
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,000
 As the Director of Community Services, I think typically how we handle this when we're in

753
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,040
 front of council is if there's a majority of you, then then we would take that information

754
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080
 back and make those adjustments.

755
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,680
 If it is from one, then we hear it, and we'll look at that in the future guidance, but we're

756
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,680
 just waiting.

757
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,800
 If we've got majority direction from you that you're good with this, then we'll come back

758
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,120
 with that, with what we're proposing.

759
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,920
 Again, if there's more of you that have the recommendations to look at some of those, then

760
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,920
 that's what we would do.

761
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,480
 I definitely like the adjustments that are here.

762
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,280
 I think Commissioner Pruitt said that as well, Commissioner Villarreal did not.

763
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,280
 I don't know how others feel with regard to ... Go ahead, Commissioner Thacker.

764
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,840
 Commissioner Pruitt, can I just ... Thank you, Chair.

765
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,960
 Can I just get some clarification on how you want it redone, and I may not be hearing it

766
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,960
 correctly.

767
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:27,720
 Do you feel like we're giving more value to certain aspects of the adjustments than others?

768
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,320
 What do you ... Yeah.

769
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:35,480
 I apologize if I mangled the confusing and not as important with the simple and more

770
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640
 important in my mind.

771
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,400
 The residential multifamily in commercial, I think is important.

772
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:49,760
 The allowance of a little bit of that 20% distance in the transition areas, I think

773
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,600
 is important.

774
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:59,040
 My suggestion for aligning these things with the value of them was more complex, and I

775
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840
 don't even know if it's right.

776
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,280
 I would more say my feedback is really, "Hey, staff, if after all of this feedback you've

777
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:15,120
 heard, you think some adjustment to the point system is warranted, then let's give our best

778
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,120
 stab at it."

779
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:22,220
 Ultimately, we're setting up an economy of points and values, and we don't know exactly

780
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:26,400
 how much dollar value these things have.

781
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
 I don't have any particular stake in that.

782
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,800
 I offered a suggestion of saying, "Let's take the three that I thought, maybe my impression

783
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,620
 is not right, of the most valuable, and then basically say those are worth twice as much

784
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:48,520
 as all the others, and then all the others you would get two incentives per column of

785
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,640
 motion, and then those three big ones you would get one per column."

786
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,000
 Again, that's complex, and I don't want to hang things up because of that, because really

787
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,440
 my feedback is, "I understand we're not going to hit it right on the bag.

788
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,160
 Let's just make sure that staff, after the feedback, thinks that we're doing the right

789
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560
 thing as far as the values of incentives."

790
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:18,280
 I think assigning a monetary value to those things, or looking at how it benefits in that

791
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,880
 way, I think that's totally appropriate.

792
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,380
 I just don't want us to get into the weeds on coming up with Simone Biles' vault score

793
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:28,640
 from trying to figure this out.

794
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,680
 Make sure that it's easy to read.

795
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:37,360
 That explanation makes complete sense to me.

796
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:43,320
 I'm still a little confused at what we're trying to help them, give them direction and

797
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,720
 this timeline that they want to be on.

798
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,720
 I think thought has already been given.

799
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:48,720
 Go ahead, Haley, then.

800
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,600
 Just to say, if I could make a suggestion, maybe we just go around the table and everyone

801
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,280
 say which of those three on the screen they're good with, or if not one of those, then what

802
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,240
 alternative they would propose.

803
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,360
 I did just want to note, there's two different dates on there, but August 28th is the correct

804
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,520
 PNC date for the next one.

805
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,520
 That is a mistake.

806
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,520
 Thank you.

807
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,520
 The 28th would?

808
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,520
 Yes, so all of those would be August 28th in place of 23rd, if you're looking at the

809
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,520
 screen.

810
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,520
 Okay.

811
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,520
 I don't know where 23rd came from.

812
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,480
 Yeah, we would actually be voting on this item on the 28th, is what you're saying.

813
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,480
 That was the original plan.

814
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,480
 Yeah.

815
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,480
 The public hearing date.

816
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,480
 Correct.

817
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,480
 Got it.

818
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,480
 Got it.

819
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,480
 Okay.

820
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,960
 I think that's fine.

821
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
 I think, yeah, I guess let's go ahead.

822
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,000
 I assume you're going to be with number three.

823
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,480
 Two B, thumbs up.

824
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:43,160
 Two A, whatever staff thinks is the right adjustment, if any, to that, I'm fine with.

825
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:52,480
 And then three, I really want to see multifamily in the SC Zoning District, as well as some

826
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,760
 reduction in the distance of the compatibility zones.

827
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,760
 Okay.

828
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,760
 Commissioner Padron?

829
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:05,760
 Of the three, I favor proceed to public hearing on August 23rd with adjustments as presented.

830
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,920
 So increase the ratio of incentives.

831
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,920
 Second there.

832
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,920
 Okay.

833
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,920
 Commissioner Villarreal, you are?

834
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,920
 Sticking with one.

835
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,920
 Sticking with one.

836
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,920
 Okay.

837
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,920
 And Commissioner Thaggard?

838
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,920
 Okay.

839
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,920
 And Commissioner Cole?

840
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,920
 Okay.

841
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:28,760
 I would say one, but, I mean, I'm not opposed to two.

842
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,600
 Well, you got to pick one.

843
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,840
 I mean, we got to pick one.

844
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,840
 Two.

845
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,840
 Okay.

846
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:57,000
 Yeah, and that's where I'm falling as well, which I guess would be four of us.

847
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,080
 It's not that I don't hear or like what you're saying.

848
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:08,400
 My thinking is it's throwing some confusion into this, and we're going to have to rethink

849
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,720
 it and discuss it, and then it's going to throw this timeline down, and that's my issue

850
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,160
 with it.

851
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,720
 It's not that I am necessarily opposed to it, but staff, nor us, nor anyone out there

852
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:26,200
 has had any discussion about just automatically allowing multifamily NSC or some of these

853
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,200
 other setbacks.

854
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,200
 You know what I mean?

855
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:37,320
 So that's why I'm hesitant to want to do that because I think it delays things, and I think

856
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:44,400
 it would be better to move forward, and as Leah said, then let's hear this and keep discussing

857
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,080
 this because we can always add that in.

858
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,240
 That's just kind of where my brain is on that.

859
00:48:52,240 --> 00:49:04,000
 So I guess with what we discussed, the four are agreeing to both of those adjustments

860
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000
 as you have here.

861
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,540
 So does that help?

862
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:07,540
 That helps me, yes.

863
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:08,540
 Okay.

864
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:12,840
 But please do, you know, take everything that Commissioner Pruitt made, some great points

865
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:20,440
 that need to be looked at and possibly added to this, you know, sooner than later.

866
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,440
 Absolutely heard.

867
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,440
 Okay.

868
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,440
 Okay.

869
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,040
 Thank you very much.

870
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,040
 Okay.

871
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:31,440
 We've got one more work session item.

872
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,480
 That is 3B, PZ24167.

873
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,360
 That is Received Report Holder Discussion Regarding North Central Texas Council, the

874
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,720
 Government's Demographic Projections Update.

875
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:42,720
 Hello.

876
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,000
 Good evening, Chair and members of the Commission.

877
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:54,000
 Farhan Butt, Deputy Director, Transportation Services Division.

878
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:03,480
 I'm here to present regional demographic forecast process that NCDCOG is following to update

879
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:11,160
 these demographics that are used as input to the regional travel demand model and for

880
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,080
 decision-making process when it comes to transportation investments.

881
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:25,520
 This presentation would include key items that focus on the whole process that NCDCOG

882
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,720
 is following, including base data, county-level forecast targets, preliminary demographics,

883
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:39,520
 and estimated traffic congestion levels, and, you know, what are the different options when

884
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:47,200
 it comes to expansion and the growth process and local review process.

885
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:55,360
 These aggregate travel demand forecast models are highly sophisticated tools that rely on

886
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:03,080
 a lot of input datasets of different category, including demographic projections, household

887
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,560
 incomes, and geographical boundaries at different resolutions.

888
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:17,120
 And all of this data is fed to these aggregate models, which are mathematical models, essentially,

889
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:24,920
 and then through the estimation process, these models forecast the output that would be used

890
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,640
 for in the form of different scenarios.

891
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,560
 This output is typically used for transportation investment decision-making process.

892
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:39,360
 And mostly it is since they are aggregate in nature, the output would be used for regional

893
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,880
 transportation investment decision.

894
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:48,480
 Some of the input for the base data would include stable data source, including census

895
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:56,040
 data tracks and work data, work journey to work data, American Community Survey, and

896
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,760
 any data set that could reflect on existing conditions.

897
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,160
 Base data is basically the existing condition level where the model will forecast what the

898
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,440
 existing conditions look like when it comes to transportation systems and their performance.

899
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,760
 And demographic synthesis is one of the inputs as well, where demographic projections are

900
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:24,280
 used at different resolutions, be it traffic analysis zones or census tracks or block groups.

901
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,720
 All of those, that information is aggregated typically on TAC level, which is traffic analysis

902
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:37,200
 zone level, and then fed to these models to get the output in terms of traffic or transportation

903
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,060
 level of service on the facilities.

904
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:46,740
 And market activities captured as well in terms of what level of residential and commercial

905
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:50,880
 activities are there in these geographic boundaries.

906
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:57,220
 And then based on all of this data, different scenarios are developed and then modeled to

907
00:52:57,220 --> 00:53:00,660
 get the estimates.

908
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:07,080
 Just to give a brief idea of what this projection resolution look like for the model or modeling

909
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,580
 tools, which are essentially on aggregate level or simulation levels or micro simulation

910
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:12,880
 level as well.

911
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,200
 This is on aggregate level, this is what it would look like, where we will have city limits,

912
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,640
 subdivisions, parks, block groups, and roads.

913
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,320
 And these blue boundaries that we are seeing would be on aggregate TAC level, which will

914
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,080
 include all this data for the model.

915
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,420
 So that is one resolution.

916
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:38,360
 But when we talk about projection resolutions on where we work, on what kind of resolution

917
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:45,160
 we work with to provide, to aggregate these inputs of different demographics, this would

918
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:52,900
 be the level where we would go into finer resolution, offer land use, we could use photos,

919
00:53:52,900 --> 00:54:02,320
 and also features that include different developments, from large to smaller developments as well.

920
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:08,200
 The input development process with NCTCOG is based on finer grid level, millions of

921
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,200
 grids.

922
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:15,120
 So we have flexibility to use from TAC level, which is rather aggregate, which is blue colored,

923
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:24,960
 these blue colored zones that I am showing, to the finest resolution of grid structure.

924
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:33,040
 So using all of this data, NCTCOG has already forecasted the data sets for different horizon

925
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,040
 years.

926
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,760
 2019 is base year where they are taking as existing conditions.

927
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,520
 I know we are in 2024, but I think for modeling purposes to get a stable data set, they have

928
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:52,600
 to rely on previous years where the data is stable and can be utilized with minimal skewness

929
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,600
 in data.

930
00:54:53,600 --> 00:55:00,880
 So 2019 is set for this go round, which is every four years they update the data, this

931
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,880
 modeling data.

932
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,920
 2019 is the base year.

933
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,800
 So that means essentially the model is assuming that this is the existing condition.

934
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:19,160
 Based on the existing condition, the target population forecast shows that the city of

935
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,560
 Denton, oh sorry, county of Denton, these are county level forecasts, county of Denton

936
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:34,360
 is pretty much over 100%, you would see 100% over 100%, actually 110% increase, percentage

937
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,600
 increase, percentage change, by between 2019 and 2050.

938
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:44,680
 So that's just, and there's another important element to demographic data set that is fed

939
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:52,320
 to the models, which is employment, which shows, and I apologize, this highlighted color

940
00:55:52,320 --> 00:56:00,600
 should be on Denton, for some reason it displayed maybe due to the different software application.

941
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:08,560
 Denton shows again in terms of population over 127% growth when it comes to employment,

942
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:15,720
 and that's pretty significant, and when we are talking about between 2019 to 2050.

943
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:23,640
 And so we could look into the city level forecast as well, which shows that by 2035, Denton,

944
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:30,240
 city of Denton would be in top 10 cities when it comes to population in the region.

945
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,880
 And by 2050, this goes to seventh, rank seventh.

946
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:40,280
 And the population would be literally doubled, more than double actually, when we compare

947
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,600
 to 2019.

948
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:51,040
 And then NCTCOG's forecast shows that when it comes to employment, city of Denton would

949
00:56:51,040 --> 00:57:01,200
 be around seventh rank by 2035, and then by 2050, this would be sixth, ranking sixth,

950
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,600
 when it comes to employment, more than double, doubling the employment.

951
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,240
 So this is just the magnitude, just touching the magnitude of what kind of magnitude we

952
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:18,200
 are looking at when it comes to demographic growth in our city, and how this could change

953
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,200
 the transportation matrix as well.

954
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,600
 Next three slides will show you the resolution, how the resolution on population density changes

955
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,880
 when it comes to 2019, 2035, and 2050.

956
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,160
 These are the three major horizon years.

957
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:46,680
 2019 is the base year, 2035, and 2050 are the phases, where NCTCOG believes that they

958
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,440
 will have phases for future forecasts.

959
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,880
 So imagine this is 2019, and it's showing population density.

960
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:00,640
 And so for reference, we have Denton labels there, and then this whole northern block

961
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,160
 is Denton County, and the Denton label shows the major Denton city area.

962
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:11,760
 And see how population density is changing color, which is going from lighter shades

963
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,280
 of green to even to blue.

964
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:24,440
 And then further, by 2050, it just goes to darker shades of blue, which shows towards

965
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,920
 maximum density per square mile.

966
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:37,520
 We have a similar trend, actually, more drastic increase in terms of employment.

967
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:44,840
 So this is 2019 employment density, and see how these shades of blue are increasing when

968
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,320
 it comes to Denton.

969
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,720
 And of course, it is relative, but the change is there.

970
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:56,840
 The significant change of employment, which is over, I think, twice.

971
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:05,920
 It goes to twice when it comes to the range between 2019 to 2050.

972
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,160
 This map shows the traffic congestion level in terms of level of service changes, the

973
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680
 red being severe congestion.

974
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,400
 And so in the lighter shades of red or pink is light congestion.

975
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:25,920
 So look how that area in close to Denton city would change when it comes to a range between

976
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:34,080
 2023 and 2045 and 2050.

977
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,840
 And so this essentially shows us that the growth is there, the population growth is

978
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,440
 there, the employment growth is there.

979
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:50,440
 And in order to tackle these demographic growth challenges, we need to provide appropriate

980
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:57,400
 transportation options, including multimodal options, including a diverse set of transportation

981
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,400
 strategies.

982
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,360
 And that emphasizes that we need to start looking into that.

983
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,620
 And that's what NCTCOG is emphasizing as well.

984
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:11,320
 They have written a memo of Transit 2.0, which we are also considering for this process.

985
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:19,320
 Again, 2019 demand flow currents, this is basically showing if we remove all the barriers

986
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:26,240
 for this growth in demographics where people would travel when it comes to 2019 at this

987
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,760
 range of 2019 to 2050.

988
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,800
 And so this is 2019, which is existing conditions for the model.

989
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:39,800
 And if we remove all the barriers and tell that these growing demographics that there's

990
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:47,400
 no latency, no congestion, and we can travel wherever we would like to travel and look

991
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,440
 how the model trends.

992
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,160
 Look, the growth is going towards all different directions and towards Denton as well.

993
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:03,600
 And so that's just a small, there are many other slides we could include, but I think

994
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,440
 these are the main ones where we could show how the demographics over the years, in coming

995
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,920
 years in the near future, are changing, drastically changing, and we have to act fast to make

996
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,840
 sure that we address this change.

997
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,840
 So NCTCOG is now asking local jurisdictions to provide the feedback.

998
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,960
 They have prepared these forecasts using the best practice statistical methods and mathematical

999
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,960
 models.

1000
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,280
 They have confidence, but they are saying that, look, we are still giving the local

1001
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,680
 jurisdiction opportunity that if you feel that we have missed something when it comes

1002
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,000
 to population, employment density, population densities, or you have some developments which

1003
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:54,620
 they missed, we have this opportunity to make sure that we include those in these projections

1004
01:01:54,620 --> 01:02:00,520
 and then so that when the time comes for the transportation investment decisions, our feedback

1005
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:06,280
 is there and then our developments are there and they can impact these decisions.

1006
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:13,040
 For that, we are, so that's essentially why the local review is required because we have

1007
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:21,540
 to make sure that these new developments or population changes are reflected as the city

1008
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:24,840
 sees them or staff sees them.

1009
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:32,760
 And so here we are using this tool that has been provided by, it is a web-based application.

1010
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:39,080
 We are, staff is looking at this, using this tool, and then we'll be providing the feedback.

1011
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:47,320
 In this process, we are going, we will be looking at 2019, 2035, and 2050 projections.

1012
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,400
 We have developed the process where we have a team, interdepartmental team that we are,

1013
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,040
 staff is relying on, and then we are also, as part of this process, reaching out to external

1014
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:05,520
 stakeholders, including developers, hospitals, school, DISD, many, many stakeholders.

1015
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,280
 We are reaching out and asking them that, you know, how your development will, how your

1016
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:16,680
 organization is planning to expand and in terms of population and employment, what feedback

1017
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,680
 do you have?

1018
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,640
 All of this will be incorporated.

1019
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:25,920
 The timeline is August 30 to provide this feedback, but staff is targeting that before

1020
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,360
 August 25, we will have it ready, and it will be reviewed by many departments.

1021
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:41,400
 And once finalized, we will submit this information to the NCT call.

1022
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,480
 And this process is then repeated every four years.

1023
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,560
 So next, you know, this will be stable.

1024
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:53,520
 The model will start using them for the investment process, and then once the process is complete,

1025
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,380
 it will be reiterated, the base year would be changed, and then the projection years

1026
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:00,800
 would change as well.

1027
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:06,740
 We are reaching out to different departments, and we hope to, we have frequent meetings

1028
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:12,400
 set up with this team, internal team, including city staff and some leadership members as

1029
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,400
 well.

1030
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,480
 And then we hope to complete this process.

1031
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,240
 If there are any questions, I'm here to answer.

1032
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,880
 Thank you for your time.

1033
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,880
 Questions?

1034
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,880
 Yeah, Commissioner Pruitt.

1035
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,120
 Thank you, Chair.

1036
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,720
 I could dig for hours, but I won't do that, I promise you.

1037
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:38,720
 I mostly found it interesting that you talked about how at several different geographic

1038
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:46,280
 levels the land uses are considered within creating this model.

1039
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:57,320
 When we hear land use applications, there's frequently a traffic study, traffic something,

1040
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,100
 TIS impact.

1041
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:03,200
 Words are failing me today.

1042
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:09,100
 And I've always had a hard time reconciling the trip generation manual numbers that get

1043
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:16,480
 used within the TISs with the, well, but if we are essentially mixing uses more than they

1044
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,000
 were before, trip length should shorten and therefore congestion should go down.

1045
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,240
 Can you help us understand how we should process those types of things?

1046
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:30,160
 So essentially the process has to rely on trip generation manual.

1047
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:35,360
 That's pretty standard when it comes to traffic TIAs or TISs, and then corridor studies as

1048
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,360
 well.

1049
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,800
 The challenge is that, and that's where this demographic projection would come into play,

1050
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:48,520
 because if, imagine, we are part of the region in that model that NCTCOG is using doesn't

1051
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:56,560
 reflect those muds or those mixed use developments or any large industrial development and is

1052
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:02,480
 not reflecting the employment categories, which include industrial or office, then it

1053
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,080
 means that we are missing that opportunity and model will read that, nope, this is still

1054
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:14,960
 rural, this is not developing, and I'm not going to, the model will not emphasize on

1055
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,680
 developing any, will not favor that scenario.

1056
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:23,120
 And the model will favor some other scenario where those developments are coming.

1057
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:29,440
 So that's why I think in the process we have to ensure that it's not only trip generation

1058
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:35,480
 manual would come at a second stage where we have land use, but to begin with, if we

1059
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:42,160
 don't have land use correctly incorporated into the model, the TIA would read that land

1060
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:48,560
 use as rural or not some development, then trip generation manual fails.

1061
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:56,600
 So that's why it is essential that we incorporate those new land uses, those new developments.

1062
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,920
 It won't be precise, but if we could get 80% curve of diminishing return, I think this

1063
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,920
 will be good.

1064
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:02,920
 - Thank you.

1065
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,920
 - Anybody else?

1066
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:04,920
 Absolutely fascinating data.

1067
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,920
 Thank you for sharing that, truly.

1068
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:06,920
 - Thank you so much.

1069
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,920
 - Wow, yeah.

1070
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:08,920
 - Thanks.

1071
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:09,920
 - That was really great.

1072
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,900
 Appreciate you being here to do that and share that with us.

1073
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:16,320
 Thank you.

1074
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,360
 Okay, that concludes our work session.

1075
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:25,680
 So we will adjourn at 610 and reconvene at 630 for our regular meeting in council chambers.

1076
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:33,680
 Thank you.

1077
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,520
 - Good evening and welcome to the city of Netons planning and zoning commission meeting

1078
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,440
 for Wednesday, August 14th, 2024.

1079
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,400
 Thank you for your patience with our quorum present.

1080
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,260
 Call us to order at 635 PM.

1081
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:51,520
 First item of business on our agenda is the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance and also to the

1082
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,800
 Texas flag.

1083
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:10,800
 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

1084
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,800
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

1085
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,800
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one nation,

1086
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,800
 indivisible.

1087
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:14,800
 Yeehaw.

1088
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:15,800
 - Thank you.

1089
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:27,380
 Our first item of business is to consider the approval of our minutes from July 17th

1090
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:30,200
 and July 24th.

1091
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,200
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1092
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,200
 - Move approval.

1093
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,200
 - Commissioner Cole.

1094
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,200
 - Second.

1095
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,320
 - Commissioner Villarreal, is that the approval of both minutes?

1096
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:39,320
 - That is correct.

1097
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,320
 - Okay.

1098
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,320
 And Commissioner Cole.

1099
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,320
 All right.

1100
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:43,320
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

1101
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,320
 Any discussion?

1102
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,320
 Okay.

1103
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:54,160
 Let's vote, please.

1104
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,160
 That motion carries 6-0.

1105
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:01,120
 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening.

1106
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,120
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1107
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,120
 - Move approval.

1108
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,120
 - Commissioner Cole.

1109
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,120
 - Second.

1110
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,120
 - Okay.

1111
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,360
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the consent agenda.

1112
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,360
 Any discussion?

1113
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,360
 Okay.

1114
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:19,280
 Let's vote, please.

1115
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,820
 That motion carries 6-0.

1116
01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:23,720
 That will take us to our items for individual consideration.

1117
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,920
 Our first being 4A, FP 240026.

1118
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,920
 Hello, Sean.

1119
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,320
 - Good evening, Chair and members of the commission.

1120
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:37,880
 Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FP 2426.

1121
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,680
 Let's get this pulled up here.

1122
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,800
 All right.

1123
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,120
 And this is a proposed plat for the Asintio Ventures Addition.

1124
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,840
 This would be a two-lot plat.

1125
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:55,760
 They have not yet met our criteria for approval and therefore staff is recommending denial.

1126
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,820
 But staff has no objection to the requested extension, which would be granted to a date

1127
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:01,920
 certain of September 11th, 2024.

1128
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,000
 Happy to answer any questions.

1129
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000
 - Thank you, Sean.

1130
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
 Questions for Sean?

1131
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,000
 Okay.

1132
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,720
 I do not see any.

1133
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,880
 Thank you.

1134
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,880
 Commissioner Cole?

1135
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:24,160
 - I make a motion to approve extension to September 11th, 2024.

1136
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,160
 - Thank you.

1137
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,160
 Commissioner Thaggard?

1138
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,160
 - Second.

1139
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,160
 - We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of

1140
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,080
 September 11th, 2024.

1141
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,080
 Any discussion?

1142
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,080
 Okay.

1143
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:42,280
 Let's vote, please.

1144
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,840
 That motion carries 6-0.

1145
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,680
 That will take us to 4B, FP 240023.

1146
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,080
 Angie is presenting that item this evening.

1147
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,080
 - Hey.

1148
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,080
 Good evening.

1149
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,860
 Angie Mingleris, Development Review Manager.

1150
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:59,160
 This is FP 240023.

1151
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,720
 This is a final plot for an approximately 15-acre tract of land generally located to

1152
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,800
 the north of Fish Trap and west of Greenleaf Circle.

1153
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,520
 The intent of this plot is to create a lot of record, and at the time, the plot does

1154
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,720
 not meet all of our criteria for approval.

1155
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,280
 Staff is recommending denial, but have no objection to the requested extension, which

1156
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,360
 could be granted to September 11th.

1157
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:20,520
 Happy to answer any questions.

1158
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:21,680
 - Thank you very much.

1159
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,880
 Any questions for Angie?

1160
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,640
 Thank you.

1161
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,480
 Chair can entertain the floor for a motion or discussion.

1162
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:35,440
 Commissioner Perrett?

1163
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:40,600
 - Move approval of the applicant requested extension to September 11th, 2024.

1164
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:41,600
 - Thank you.

1165
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,600
 Commissioner Thaggard?

1166
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,600
 - Second.

1167
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,600
 - Okay.

1168
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,320
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September

1169
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,880
 11th, 2024.

1170
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:49,880
 Any discussion?

1171
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,880
 Okay.

1172
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:58,360
 Let's vote, please.

1173
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,960
 That motion will carry 6-0.

1174
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:05,280
 That'll take us to 4C, FR240005.

1175
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,280
 Bryce is here for presentation.

1176
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,280
 Hello.

1177
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,280
 - Good evening, Commission.

1178
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,280
 Bryce VanArsdale, Assistant Planner.

1179
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,280
 This is FR240005.

1180
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:20,880
 This is a final replat for approximately 36 acres, one-half mile south of Bonnie Bray Road

1181
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,040
 and on the north side of Roselon Drive.

1182
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,280
 While this plot currently does not meet our criteria for approval, staff has no objection

1183
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,760
 to the requested extension to a date certain of September 11th.

1184
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,740
 I'll stand for any questions.

1185
01:12:33,740 --> 01:12:35,080
 - Thank you, Bryce.

1186
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,360
 Any questions?

1187
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:37,360
 Okay.

1188
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,760
 I do have one card wishing to speak on this item and that is Jennifer Lane.

1189
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:47,480
 I'll have you come up and state your name and your time will begin.

1190
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:48,480
 Hi.

1191
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:49,480
 - Hi there.

1192
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:50,480
 Jennifer Lane, Denton, Texas, 76205.

1193
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,720
 I want to speak on this item just because this is an item of interest to me because

1194
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,040
 it's in my area.

1195
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,840
 And the reason I want to speak to it is because I feel no matter how many times I come here

1196
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,120
 and how much I learn about the city, I always feel naive.

1197
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:11,420
 And in this case, back when this property was first being discussed and what was going

1198
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:17,120
 to happen to it and all the destruction of the old growth trees on it, there were community

1199
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,600
 meetings with Kimley Horne.

1200
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:26,260
 And I found later that Kimley Horne appears on almost every other city council and planning

1201
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:28,220
 and zoning agenda.

1202
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:34,200
 And I realized that companies, the engineering companies that the city uses are also the

1203
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,820
 same ones that the private investors and developers use.

1204
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:41,920
 And there's a kind of a have your cake and eat it too quality to this.

1205
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:51,560
 And I feel that the city could be more demanding when it could use the court of public opinion

1206
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:58,560
 in terms of getting better, more satisfying results for the community.

1207
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,780
 When the community expresses its desires regarding properties, we're going to see this a lot

1208
01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:08,160
 in the upcoming weeks and months with so many developments coming forward and so many large

1209
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:15,520
 areas with so much old growth forest on them that whereas there may be hesitation regarding

1210
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,080
 some of the legal structures that affect the state of Texas and then spill over into the

1211
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:25,360
 city, what we do have the power to say is, you know, if you guys at such and such a firm

1212
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:32,620
 does not satisfy our constituents, our citizens, we don't have to hire you for city projects

1213
01:14:32,620 --> 01:14:39,440
 and we don't have to use you when you are not really particularly cooperative when we

1214
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:40,840
 need you to be.

1215
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,280
 And Kimley Horne is just one example, but they crop up a lot.

1216
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,120
 They're on city council agendas all the time and they're the engineer for this property

1217
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:55,600
 and it was a struggle to talk with them and way too many trees in that forest were lost

1218
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:03,160
 and not enough of what the community was asking for was accomplished regarding the Rose Lawn

1219
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,540
 property there.

1220
01:15:04,540 --> 01:15:10,360
 The Eagle Creek, that was a really sad time for Deanie and neighborhood to see what happened

1221
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,360
 there.

1222
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,360
 That's it.

1223
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,360
 Thanks.

1224
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,480
 Keep your eyes on your people that you hire is my point.

1225
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:16,480
 Thanks.

1226
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,280
 Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

1227
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,000
 Okay.

1228
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,000
 That'll lead us back to the floor for discussion or emotion regarding item four C.

1229
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,160
 I'll commissioner approve it.

1230
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:36,440
 Move approval of the applicant requested extension to a date certain of September 11th, 2024.

1231
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:37,440
 Thank you.

1232
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:38,440
 Commissioner Cole.

1233
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:39,440
 Second.

1234
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,000
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September

1235
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000
 11th, 2024.

1236
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,080
 Okay.

1237
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:55,880
 Let's vote please.

1238
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:02,160
 That motion will carry five one.

1239
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,120
 That will take us to four D, FR240008.

1240
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,120
 Hi Julie.

1241
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,120
 Hi.

1242
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,120
 Good evening.

1243
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,800
 I'm Julie Wyatt and I'm presenting FR24-8.

1244
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,240
 This is a replat within the country lakes edition.

1245
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,880
 The purpose of it is to remove an easement that is no longer needed nor does it have

1246
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,960
 any public infrastructure in it.

1247
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,240
 Staff recommends denial at this time.

1248
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,640
 They have a few things that they do need to work through in order to meet the criteria

1249
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:33,240
 for approval, but we have no objection to the requested extension to September 11th.

1250
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,080
 This is the first extension request that has come before you.

1251
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,240
 Thanks, Julie.

1252
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,520
 Appreciate it.

1253
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:40,520
 Bye.

1254
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,520
 Thanks.

1255
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,520
 Bye.

1256
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:43,520
 Thank you.

1257
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,680
 Any discussion or motion?

1258
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:47,680
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1259
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,440
 I'll move approval of the applicant requested extension to a date certain of September 11th,

1260
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:53,640
 2024.

1261
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,640
 Thank you.

1262
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,640
 Commissioner Thagard.

1263
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,640
 Second.

1264
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,760
 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of September 11th,

1265
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,760
 2024.

1266
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:03,760
 Any discussion?

1267
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:04,760
 Okay.

1268
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:12,320
 Let's vote, please.

1269
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,320
 That motion will carry 6-0.

1270
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,920
 That will take us to 4-E, ZCP 240015.

1271
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,320
 Mia is here for presentation.

1272
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,320
 Hi, Mia.

1273
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,320
 Hello.

1274
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:29,760
 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Senior Planner, and this item is

1275
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,280
 a zoning compliance plan for a multifamily residential development in Razor Ranch.

1276
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,500
 The request, again, is to consider a site plan approval for that multifamily residential

1277
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:40,500
 development.

1278
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:48,080
 The site is 6.41 acres located at the southeast corner of Crescent Street and East Park Boulevard.

1279
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:54,600
 And then surrounding this property and previous ZCP approvals that this body has seen is a

1280
01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:01,960
 multifamily development to the north and south, the Razor Cottages to the east, and then to

1281
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:08,200
 the west is the, across East Park Boulevard is the park, that central park for Razor Ranch.

1282
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:13,360
 The zoning for this site or the base zoning for this site under the Razor Ranch overlay

1283
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:18,480
 is SMUD 2, which stands for South Mixed Use District 2.

1284
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:26,640
 The uses specified for this area are big homes, multifamily residential, single family residential,

1285
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:27,640
 and offices.

1286
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:34,000
 And this particular site is within the multifamily density zone where we are encouraging density

1287
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,800
 within the Razor Ranch overlay development.

1288
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,600
 And so with that, we are looking at their site plans and review, putting them up against

1289
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,600
 the criteria.

1290
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:48,960
 Specifically, we're looking at the recently adopted in Appendix A, ORDDC, Exhibit C2A

1291
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:56,240
 and D2 for the architectural and site development standards that are applicable to this site.

1292
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,600
 And the criteria for approval, we're wanting to make sure that they substantially comply

1293
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:07,980
 with the zoning concept and schematic plans for Razor, that they are providing a compatible

1294
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:12,440
 arrangement of buildings, that the site plans provides for adequate and safe circulation

1295
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:16,520
 of vehicular traffic, and that the plan fully complies with all other sections of the overlay

1296
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:17,520
 district.

1297
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:23,180
 So just to walk you through some of how they are applying or meeting that criteria.

1298
01:19:23,180 --> 01:19:26,480
 Again, this is a multifamily residential building.

1299
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:32,360
 They are proposing four buildings with 192 units, an amenity building, a pool courtyard,

1300
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,780
 outdoor courtyard area, a small dark park.

1301
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:41,200
 They have parking in relation to the amount of units and bedrooms that they are proposing.

1302
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:46,160
 As far as driveway circulations, they have one driveway onto Crescent Street there to

1303
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:55,280
 the north where all functions, you can turn in and out right and also go straight to the

1304
01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:00,920
 development to the north of that, and then to the south to Linden Drive.

1305
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,560
 Those are right in and right out options.

1306
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:10,360
 So full mobility options, vehicular, several pedestrian connections, including those directly

1307
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:16,080
 serving the building for that linear, longer building along East Park Boulevard, and again,

1308
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:20,760
 some of the site amenities include a pool and courtyard and a dog park, and then that

1309
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,960
 amenity buildings that they are proposing on the site.

1310
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,700
 As far as landscaping, they are meeting the minimum requirements at 12% of landscape area

1311
01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:32,840
 coverage and 47% tree canopy coverage.

1312
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,640
 They have proposed alternative street tree locations along, not Western University, sorry,

1313
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,120
 Massachusetts Hypo, that's along Crescent Street there because there is an existing

1314
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:47,320
 easement along that property line, so there are alternative locations for street trees

1315
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,040
 that are supposed to be there placed throughout the site.

1316
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,240
 They are proposing landscape berms to screen parking where it's visible.

1317
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,360
 For the most part, we've activated the street frontage with buildings where we've pushed

1318
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,560
 the buildings right up to the street and the parking is sort of inset, but where there

1319
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:07,320
 are gaps and parking could potentially be visible, they've included berms to further

1320
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,040
 screen that parking.

1321
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,840
 Additionally, the tree canopy buffer between this multi-family development and the existing

1322
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:19,720
 or the not developed yet but plotted out and infrastructure is in place for the Razor cottages

1323
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,720
 to the east.

1324
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,000
 There is a significant buffer area there is also.

1325
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,640
 So here included in your backup are the elevations just to give you an idea of what it looks

1326
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:28,640
 like.

1327
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:35,840
 As far as building material goes, it is complementary to the rest of that area in Razor, and again,

1328
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,720
 these are the criteria that we put them up against.

1329
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:43,720
 So they are complying with the concept plan that was adopted with the Razor Ranch Overlay

1330
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,720
 District.

1331
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:51,400
 They have provided for compatible arrangements of buildings and do not propose to adversely

1332
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,520
 impact the adjoining neighborhood.

1333
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:59,480
 As you saw on the site plan, they do provide for adequate and safe circulation of vehicular

1334
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:06,160
 traffic as well as unique pedestrian connections through the site and to the exterior of the

1335
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,800
 site, and it does comply with those exhibits that I mentioned earlier that are specific

1336
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,400
 to this sub area of Razor.

1337
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,560
 So with that, staff is recommending approval, and I will gladly take any questions you have

1338
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,560
 at this time.

1339
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,400
 Thank you very much, Mia.

1340
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,400
 Any questions for Mia?

1341
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:24,400
 Thank you.

1342
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,400
 Great presentation as always.

1343
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:38,520
 Okay, we can open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1344
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,200
 I will go ahead and move approval of this item as presented.

1345
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,200
 Commissioner Thaggard?

1346
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,200
 Second.

1347
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,120
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval.

1348
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,120
 Any discussion?

1349
01:22:49,120 --> 01:23:00,160
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote, please.

1350
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,800
 That motion carries 6-0.

1351
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:07,160
 That will take us to 4-F, FR24-0006.

1352
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,400
 Mia is here for that presentation as well.

1353
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,760
 Evening again, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hunt, senior planner.

1354
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:20,640
 This item is a final replat for Hickory Grove Phase 1A.

1355
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:26,320
 This property is located in the city of UTJ, north of West University Drive and west of

1356
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,920
 Thomas J. Egan Road.

1357
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,800
 At the time of the publishing of this agenda and the backup, the plat was not ready for

1358
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,800
 approval, and so staff was recommending denial.

1359
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,960
 However, we have worked with the applicant since then to get it to a state of approval

1360
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,040
 to satisfy all of those comments, and so we are recommending approval of this plat this

1361
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,400
 evening, of the forwarded version, the version that was forwarded to you this afternoon.

1362
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:48,400
 Yes, thank you.

1363
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,280
 With that, I will take any questions you have.

1364
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,280
 Thank you very much.

1365
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:54,400
 Questions?

1366
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,760
 Thank you.

1367
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,760
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1368
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,160
 Move approval.

1369
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:02,160
 Commissioner Cole?

1370
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,160
 Second.

1371
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,560
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

1372
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:06,560
 Discussion?

1373
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:14,240
 Okay, let's vote, please.

1374
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,240
 That motion carries 6-0.

1375
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,400
 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening.

1376
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:31,000
 Items 5A, PD23001B and 5B, Z220018B, those are being requested by the applicant to be

1377
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,600
 postponed indefinitely.

1378
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,960
 So we will not be taking action on those items other than to close the public hearing.

1379
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,000
 The public hearings for both of those items were open at our last meeting and they were

1380
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,240
 left open thinking we would hear the item today.

1381
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,560
 We will not.

1382
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:54,000
 If ever those items do come back before us, that will be renoticed as applicable for that

1383
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,880
 public hearing at that time.

1384
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,500
 So with that, I will close both those public hearings for 5A and B, and we will go ahead

1385
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,480
 and move to 5C, CA240003.

1386
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:09,280
 I will open that public hearing and Cameron is here for presentation.

1387
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,280
 Hi.

1388
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:11,280
 Hello.

1389
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,640
 Good evening Chair, Commission, Cameron Robertson, Principal Planner.

1390
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:27,840
 Okay, let me get this full screen on, there we go.

1391
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,480
 So thank you so much.

1392
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:35,000
 We are delighted to present to you all this evening the Design Downtown Denton Plan.

1393
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,600
 We do have some members of the project team here this evening.

1394
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,640
 First we have Sean Jacobson.

1395
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:46,200
 He is the Deputy Project Manager for the plan, also my right-hand man throughout all of this

1396
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,200
 when I joined the team in August of 2023.

1397
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:54,920
 We do have Gary Packen, Director of Parks and Recreation, as well as Kristen Polito,

1398
01:25:54,920 --> 01:26:00,520
 our Main Street Program Manager, and then lastly we have Zach Lockrum, our Project Manager

1399
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,960
 from Men Collaborative.

1400
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:07,240
 So before I pass the mic on to Zach, I just wanted to say a few words.

1401
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:14,200
 So this plan for Downtown Denton, it really is a community-driven and formulated plan

1402
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,600
 that truly reflects the love that Dentonites have for their downtown.

1403
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,160
 Over the course of the last year, through our different forms of engagement, we have

1404
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,160
 received thousands of comments from Dentonites that demonstrate the importance of downtown's

1405
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:27,920
 future success.

1406
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,920
 The community responses, which include not only their dreams for the area, but also their

1407
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,920
 concerns, are the foundation of the plan before you all tonight, and we look forward to hearing

1408
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,920
 your comments.

1409
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:45,120
 And with that, I'm going to pass it to Zach.

1410
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,120
 Thank you, Cameron.

1411
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:47,120
 Thank you all.

1412
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,120
 I'm very excited to be here with you.

1413
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,120
 My name is Zach Lockrum.

1414
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,760
 I'm a partner at Men Collaborative, and we have been working with the City of Denton over

1415
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,480
 the past year to develop the Design Downtown Denton Plan.

1416
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:00,320
 I want to also acknowledge the rest of our team.

1417
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:06,560
 We've been joined by specialists in transportation, historic preservation, and economic development

1418
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,560
 from Nelson-Nygard Post Oak Preservation Solutions, Catalyst Urban Planning, and the William

1419
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,480
 Fulton Group in the development of this plan.

1420
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:18,440
 Tonight, I'm going to give you a brief project overview, present some of the highlights of

1421
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:24,240
 the Downtown Denton Plan, receive recommendations and discussion from you, and then your role

1422
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:29,400
 today is to receive this presentation and take action on the draft plan as endorsed

1423
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,400
 by our advisory group.

1424
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,640
 We've been working on this project for about a year.

1425
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,760
 We started around June of last year.

1426
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,280
 We've moved through four kind of key phases.

1427
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,200
 In the first phase, we were working with the community to understand key issues, challenges,

1428
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:51,280
 desires, and goals as a part of the planning process.

1429
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:57,640
 In the second phase, we developed strategies to reflect on the goals that have been set.

1430
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,460
 In the final phase, the ACT phase, we were working on implementation strategies for how

1431
01:28:01,460 --> 01:28:06,680
 we would actually achieve those as a community, and now we are working with you to adopt the

1432
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:07,680
 plan.

1433
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:13,720
 The study area went from University on the North, Carroll on the West, Eagle on the South,

1434
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,740
 and then Bell on the East side.

1435
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:22,320
 I will mention that, as you all are aware, there has been a parallel process for Southeast

1436
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,320
 Denton.

1437
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:27,680
 We've been working very closely to ensure that this plan, that plan are compatible and

1438
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:33,240
 that the edges between these communities, which are of course very, very important,

1439
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:38,040
 are compatibly planned throughout that process.

1440
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:44,160
 We've had a great deal of public engagement, both from our team as well as the team here

1441
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,440
 at the City of Denton.

1442
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:52,380
 We've really engaged in a hybrid process where we were using both online and in-person ways

1443
01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:55,840
 of reaching out to people, so anything that we did in person, you had the opportunity

1444
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,840
 to do online and vice versa.

1445
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:05,040
 We've had very literally thousands of Dentonites contribute ideas, thoughts, concerns, and

1446
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:10,680
 desires to this process throughout the past year.

1447
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,480
 Working with our advisory group, we developed a vision statement that puts forward what

1448
01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,800
 it is that we're really trying to achieve with this 10- to 15-year vision, as well as

1449
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:24,600
 defining specific community priorities in these eight areas, so all of the recommendations

1450
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:32,200
 that have been developed are set to help achieve one or more of these community priorities.

1451
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,180
 Overall, the plan has 23 recommendations, and I'm not going to go through all of them

1452
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:41,520
 today, but I'm going to give you a pretty quick overview of some of the highlights,

1453
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:48,080
 some of the key action items that have been really defined by the community through prioritization

1454
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:52,760
 exercises that we've done with them, as well as some of the first-step items that need

1455
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:58,200
 to be done in order to help see the plan be implemented in the long term.

1456
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:03,620
 The plan is divided into four sections, and in general, these sections move from the areas

1457
01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:09,280
 where we have the most control as a city to the areas where we have more influential control

1458
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:15,880
 but are really working with our private sector developers and private sector actors.

1459
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:20,280
 The first section focuses on utilizing downtown Denton's street space.

1460
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,180
 The streets and public realm are actually most of the property that the city owns and

1461
01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:29,240
 has control of within the downtown, and so making sure that we have strategies to utilize

1462
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:34,720
 them that meet the goals of downtown from the perspective of economic development, from

1463
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:41,120
 the perspective of community priorities, walkability, and so on are extremely important.

1464
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,760
 Throughout this process, one of the main things that we did hear from the community is that

1465
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,860
 one of the things that makes downtown so special, one of the competitive advantages economically

1466
01:30:49,860 --> 01:30:55,120
 is the walkability, so a lot of these recommendations do focus on the ways that we can continue

1467
01:30:55,120 --> 01:31:01,840
 to make downtown a walkable, safe, enjoyable environment.

1468
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:07,280
 The first set of recommendations focuses on some of the short-term potential in actually

1469
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,600
 re-utilizing street space in slightly different ways.

1470
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:15,240
 These are recommendations, in most cases, moving from a four-lane cross-section to action

1471
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:20,900
 on some of the major streets around downtown that are put forward to improve walkability

1472
01:31:20,900 --> 01:31:22,000
 but also safety.

1473
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,340
 A lot of traffic incidents, which we mapped, happen when cars are turning.

1474
01:31:27,340 --> 01:31:31,040
 When you have four lanes, oftentimes cars are stopping in the middle of the street to

1475
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:32,040
 turn.

1476
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:36,180
 People don't see, run into things, a lot of those things, sorts of challenges happen,

1477
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:40,860
 so what the plan suggests is actually replacing some of those four-lane cross-sections with

1478
01:31:40,860 --> 01:31:41,860
 three lanes.

1479
01:31:41,860 --> 01:31:45,360
 So it would be one lane that's going through and then turn lanes so that we can actually

1480
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:46,760
 avoid some of those challenges.

1481
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:51,360
 This also has the advantage of creating some new opportunities for additional parking space,

1482
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,880
 for additional pedestrian space, or for additional space for planted trees in the long term.

1483
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:02,040
 The second recommendation that I'll talk briefly about is the idea of pedestrian priority routes

1484
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,960
 and the Denton Chill Streets.

1485
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,100
 When we worked through prioritization with the community, this was the top vote-getting

1486
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:11,940
 item, which I thought was very exciting.

1487
01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:19,800
 The concept is that there would be a network of prioritized streets connecting the universities,

1488
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,420
 connecting the transit sector, connecting downtown, where we would really be prioritizing

1489
01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:25,920
 pedestrian comfort.

1490
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:30,080
 And as a big part of that, we can all recognize from a day like today, Denton is extremely

1491
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:34,880
 hot and we want to make sure that we are creating opportunities for people to walk comfortably

1492
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:36,140
 downtown.

1493
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:40,960
 The idea of a chill street is a street where we have really prioritized shade and other

1494
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,000
 cooling technologies as a way of creating microclimates that really encourage people

1495
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:51,840
 to be able to comfortably move around even in Texas's heat.

1496
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:57,200
 The second set of recommendations focuses on the network of public spaces in and around

1497
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,200
 downtown.

1498
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,800
 These are recommendations we've worked very closely with the Parks and Recreation Department

1499
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,340
 on as we have moved them forward.

1500
01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:08,680
 One of the biggest pieces of the plan is a focus on a new master plan for Quaker Town

1501
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:09,840
 Park.

1502
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,020
 This plan was undertaken with a great deal of additional public engagement above and

1503
01:33:14,020 --> 01:33:21,780
 beyond what we did for the plan as a whole, including sessions where we worked with descendants

1504
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:29,800
 of people who had been displaced from Quaker Town in the early 20th century, really focusing

1505
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:36,160
 on how people wanted to create monuments and memorialize and talk about that history, while

1506
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:41,960
 also creating a plan for the current uses in the park, as well as making sure that we

1507
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:48,520
 are able and capable to continue to expand on all of the incredible historical resources,

1508
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,400
 as well as all of the great festivals that we all love in that space.

1509
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,400
 Sorry, I think I skipped one there.

1510
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:01,640
 The second recommendation in this section focuses on looking at some of the vacant lots

1511
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:06,000
 in and around downtown and really looking at which ones of those lots would really make

1512
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:11,680
 the most sense for expansion of park facilities, as well as opportunities to connect economic

1513
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,080
 development.

1514
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,040
 This is an example of what something like that could look like.

1515
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:21,320
 This is a vacant lot that is right on the square that is currently for sale.

1516
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:26,800
 In this rendering, what we show is a way in which public space right on the square could

1517
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:31,280
 be expanded, where we could add some additional business space.

1518
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:36,400
 There's a cafe within this design, as well as flexible vendor booths, which is something

1519
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,760
 that we've heard quite a bit, our desire of the community and the community that does

1520
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,520
 a lot of the festivals and things like that within and around downtown.

1521
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:51,880
 This particular site also creates a wonderful view of the courthouse, as well as giving

1522
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:59,280
 us a really exciting option to create an accessible ramp that helps with the grade change between

1523
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:11,160
 Austin Street and the courthouse square itself.

1524
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:16,160
 In addition to that, we have suggested several different ways in which some of the underutilized

1525
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:21,600
 streets or what are often called the mews right around the square could be redesigned

1526
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,880
 to allow for partial closures, allow for more festival street type opportunities, allow

1527
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,620
 for more events as well.

1528
01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:35,720
 The third section of the plan focuses on development and really thinking about how we can continue

1529
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,260
 to build on downtown's character and assets with some of the development opportunities.

1530
01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:44,360
 One of the biggest opportunities of the plan and in fact one of the reasons that this plan

1531
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:50,400
 is happening right now is that there's a significant portion of downtown south of the square that

1532
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,520
 up until very recently was in the floodplain, which really restricted development opportunity

1533
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,100
 within it.

1534
01:35:56,100 --> 01:36:00,760
 Looking at that as a key example, we've begun to envision what redevelopment and infill

1535
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:05,720
 development within that area could look like and how we would leverage public investments

1536
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,160
 in order to get the types of development that we would want to see there.

1537
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,520
 You can see in this particular drawing, which is again, an example of what could happen

1538
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:14,820
 in the space.

1539
01:36:14,820 --> 01:36:19,600
 In addition to the private sector development that's happened around the southern downtown,

1540
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:24,760
 there's also a proposal for a new park to help anchor that space as well as a new performing

1541
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,720
 arts center.

1542
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:34,160
 Another key recommendation that we've made is to really encourage downtown living.

1543
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:39,320
 As opposed to some cities, downtown is not your densest residential area.

1544
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,600
 Actually the highest density areas in the city are just to the west of downtown mostly

1545
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,680
 around UNT.

1546
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:52,040
 There is a significant amount of built up market desire as well as opportunity in actually

1547
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,500
 creating additional residential units.

1548
01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:58,720
 In addition to that, it creates a more active street front, helps support businesses as

1549
01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:59,720
 well.

1550
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:04,660
 So we're asking to actually set a specific goal for new development over the next 10

1551
01:37:04,660 --> 01:37:07,560
 years that we believe is market supported.

1552
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,800
 That would be a mix of market rate and affordable units.

1553
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,680
 We've of course wanted to make sure that we're strengthening historic preservation opportunities,

1554
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:22,960
 that we're making sure that we're taking our incentive packages that we have and continuing

1555
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:28,960
 to promote those, as well as making sure that our historic facilities are taking advantage

1556
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,800
 of federal and state tax credits as well.

1557
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:37,760
 We've developed public realm design guidelines and zoning recommendations that would help

1558
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:42,280
 us ensure that the private sector development that happens in and around downtown is meeting

1559
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,500
 our standards, that our developers are putting together a good public realm, that we're making

1560
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:50,900
 sure that we're connecting sidewalks, we're connecting the chill streets, we're making

1561
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:52,440
 sure that all of those happen.

1562
01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:59,920
 We've also within that created specific opportunities for ways that places like restaurants or venues

1563
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:04,960
 would be able to utilize street space for things like queuing, for things like outdoor

1564
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,440
 seating as well.

1565
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:14,400
 Finally, while we know that much of what happens needs to be done in the private sector, we've

1566
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,160
 created a space in the plan where we've pointed towards certain things that the community

1567
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:22,860
 has told us that they desire so that developers will know, if I were to come forward with

1568
01:38:22,860 --> 01:38:28,240
 something in this list, it would be something that the community would likely smile upon.

1569
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,480
 Some of those include public and shared parking, that of course is something that the city

1570
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:33,120
 would actually take a role in.

1571
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:39,720
 Public market or other types of market spaces, hotels, downtown hotel has been a very, very

1572
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:45,160
 strong desire, as well as an expansion of music and art venues downtown.

1573
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:49,720
 Our section of the plan focuses on some of the policy and programmatic elements that

1574
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,660
 we need in order to actually see the plan successfully implemented.

1575
01:38:53,660 --> 01:38:58,600
 As I just mentioned, we've talked about music venues and that's one of the key areas that

1576
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,840
 has really come up as something both that people love, but also as an opportunity for

1577
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:07,800
 us to really expand on as an economic strategy within downtown.

1578
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,120
 We have a section that focuses on the ways that we can update our policy and regulation

1579
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:16,560
 to help support the music and nightlife within Denton.

1580
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,480
 Another recommendation is actually to develop a performing arts center.

1581
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:25,400
 We've given an example in the plan of the Midtown Arts and Theater Center in Houston.

1582
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:30,080
 This is a facility that has multiple stages, has multiple performance spaces, but also

1583
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:34,160
 has offices for local nonprofits that has rehearsal spaces.

1584
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,800
 Something like this is something that could be done really in collaboration with area

1585
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,760
 universities as well.

1586
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:45,480
 We've created recommendations around how to expand programs that will support small businesses.

1587
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:50,160
 Again, talking about the things that people love the most about downtown, the small unique

1588
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:55,840
 Denton-only businesses are one of the most essential assets.

1589
01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:01,320
 I had people tell me flat out, if the result of this plan is that downtown ends up with

1590
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,560
 a Chipotle, we've maybe done something wrong.

1591
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,400
 There's a really strong desire to make sure that we're supporting our small businesses

1592
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:12,000
 and we've recommended a number of ways that we can incentivize and really help continue

1593
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,680
 to develop that.

1594
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:19,200
 We talk about really working to create a unified downtown brand, making sure that that's a

1595
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:25,280
 part of advertising, making sure that businesses together are really advertising that downtown

1596
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,640
 experience, and that's something that can be done collaboratively.

1597
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:38,640
 Finally, we've also made recommendations around some of the tools where we can receive additional

1598
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:43,180
 funding and make sure that there's directed funding for downtown that downtown then does

1599
01:40:43,180 --> 01:40:44,800
 not currently have.

1600
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:49,400
 Specifically, we talk about the expansion of the downtown tours as well as the establishment

1601
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,160
 of a public improvement district.

1602
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:56,720
 Having a district would allow dedicated staff that would allow the expansion of things like

1603
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:03,240
 the downtown ambassador programs, other programs for maintenance, for safety, as well as project

1604
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,280
 delivery throughout.

1605
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,480
 So, our next steps.

1606
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:12,900
 This downtown plan, just to remind you, will amend and update the Denton 2040 Comprehensive

1607
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:13,900
 Plan.

1608
01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:18,880
 We currently plan to bring this to city council on September 17th, after which we're excited

1609
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,440
 to see implementation happen.

1610
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:24,840
 So, with that, I will close and open to questions.

1611
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,240
 Thank you very much, Zach.

1612
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:28,240
 Any questions?

1613
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,560
 It's time for Zach.

1614
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:32,560
 Commissioner Thacker.

1615
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:33,920
 I don't have any questions.

1616
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,160
 I just wanted to thank you guys for all the hard work.

1617
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:37,160
 This is beautiful.

1618
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,160
 Thank you.

1619
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,160
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1620
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,160
 Thank you, Chair.

1621
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,160
 Great presentation.

1622
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,160
 Thank you.

1623
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:50,200
 I think for the benefit of the public, because some of these things get difficult to grasp

1624
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:58,840
 what the process is, can you explain how some of the recommendations would be achieved through

1625
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:03,600
 private investment, whereas others would be something the city would take a more leading

1626
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,680
 leadership role in so that people can understand how that combination occurs?

1627
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:08,680
 Absolutely.

1628
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:09,680
 Yeah.

1629
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:13,920
 Any planning process is usually a combination of private investment, public investment,

1630
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,320
 and often philanthropic dollars as well.

1631
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,660
 The way that we've set up the plan and really thinking about some of the priorities for

1632
01:42:21,660 --> 01:42:25,760
 implementation are really making sure that the city is kind of in there first establishing

1633
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:30,360
 the tools that it needs to in order to really see the vision achieved through private sector

1634
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:31,780
 investment as well.

1635
01:42:31,780 --> 01:42:36,440
 So that includes looking at new funding sources.

1636
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:42,240
 One example that I'll give the city, the downtown actually already has a Texas designated cultural

1637
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,960
 district, but Denton has never applied for any funding through that program.

1638
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,240
 So making sure that we're bringing in state and federal funding where it makes sense,

1639
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:56,040
 as well as establishing local funding sources that are going to be able to help with any

1640
01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:00,360
 of the incentives or public types of investments that need to be made.

1641
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:04,720
 Then the city also has the ability to set regulation, which helps really drive some

1642
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:06,220
 of the development.

1643
01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:10,000
 One of the things that I've been really excited about with this team is that we have had an

1644
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,360
 economic development consultant.

1645
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,140
 We actually have two economic development consultants on the team.

1646
01:43:14,140 --> 01:43:17,320
 One of them is specifically focused on the public sector incentives and has spent his

1647
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:21,840
 whole career really working with cities to make sure that they have everything set up

1648
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,300
 moving towards their goals.

1649
01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:27,840
 The other one is someone who is focused on really understanding how developers work.

1650
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:32,320
 And so being able to really work with them to say, what do we need to do in order to

1651
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:38,000
 see the type of market response that we expect and making sure within that, that we're not

1652
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,680
 doing anything as a city that the market would do by itself either.

1653
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,360
 So there's a balance in that.

1654
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:47,920
 But everything really is intended to really work as a net that each of these different

1655
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:51,560
 actors are really working together to move towards that common vision.

1656
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,320
 Thank you for that question.

1657
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,320
 Thank you.

1658
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:56,320
 Thank you.

1659
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:57,320
 Any other questions?

1660
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:03,080
 I know you didn't go over it, Zach, but part of this plan does have an implementation part

1661
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,080
 of it as well.

1662
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:10,320
 It's set up in goals as we have like year one, what goals would be year five.

1663
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:15,120
 Yeah, and the implementation section, the sort of phasing of the implementation section

1664
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:17,920
 was based really on three criteria.

1665
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,940
 One of them was whether or not the implementation of that action needed to be done in order

1666
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:23,240
 for other things to happen.

1667
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:28,080
 So if there was a path dependency, the second was a community prioritization exercise that

1668
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,880
 we actually did with the community, had several hundred people contribute their thoughts about

1669
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,440
 what they were most excited about, what they wanted to see first.

1670
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:37,140
 And then the third was just cost.

1671
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:41,640
 So really looking at what are some of the small things that we can take on earlier,

1672
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,800
 whereas other things might take longer in terms of additional design or grants that need to

1673
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:51,200
 be acquired, other things like that in order to move them forward.

1674
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:52,200
 Thank you.

1675
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:53,200
 Thank you.

1676
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,320
 Any other questions at this time for Zach?

1677
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:56,320
 Commissioner Perdomo.

1678
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,320
 Hi, yes.

1679
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,440
 Thank you for your presentation as well.

1680
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:02,280
 My question is regarding public engagement.

1681
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:08,880
 Was there a demographic analysis done to determine which populations may have been represented

1682
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:13,560
 in providing information to make sure that there wasn't a particular group or subsect

1683
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,480
 of the population that was missed?

1684
01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:16,480
 Yeah.

1685
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:20,960
 Because a significant portion of our engagement was online, we weren't able to capture full

1686
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,240
 demographics as a part of it.

1687
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:29,040
 What we did do is as we were working through the events that we were going through, as

1688
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:33,760
 we were working through observation from who we saw coming to different events, we did

1689
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:39,720
 look in targeted ways about going out to specific events that would appeal to specific demographics

1690
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:45,180
 in order to make sure that we were getting specific feedback in those ways.

1691
01:45:45,180 --> 01:45:51,560
 There were also, as I said, specific engagement that was specifically for descendants of people

1692
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:55,400
 who had been displaced from Quaker Town as a part of that.

1693
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,680
 So that's sort of the way that we did it, but we did not collect demographic information

1694
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:00,680
 throughout.

1695
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:01,680
 Yeah.

1696
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:08,100
 But I know you do have a copy of the five pages of engagement that has happened over

1697
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:16,000
 the year and the various places that they have captured comments.

1698
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,640
 Don't think I have any other questions at this time for you, but stand by, we may have

1699
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:21,640
 some later.

1700
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:22,640
 Thank you.

1701
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,720
 Okay, I do have some cards wishing to speak on this item.

1702
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:32,040
 First one I have is Charles Lee.

1703
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,120
 He'll state your name.

1704
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:34,120
 Your time will begin.

1705
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:35,120
 Hi.

1706
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,120
 Yeah.

1707
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:37,120
 My name is Charles Lee.

1708
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:38,120
 Good evening, everybody.

1709
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:45,320
 I just want to say that I'm in objection to this because I'm sorry, I'm just not really

1710
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:50,680
 feeling this because the whole color scheme, I really just don't like the color scheme

1711
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:51,680
 at all.

1712
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:52,680
 It's just not me.

1713
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:58,000
 I don't know what you're trying to do there, but I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm like a very patriotic

1714
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,440
 person and the dent in colors are red, white, and blue.

1715
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:04,880
 I don't know what you're trying to do here or what you're trying to represent.

1716
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,000
 It's not representing my culture at all.

1717
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,320
 I just don't like the color scheme at all.

1718
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:14,920
 And then you want to talk about you're going to do a lot of lanes and bike lanes and things

1719
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,160
 like that for walking and all that type of stuff.

1720
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:18,160
 I'm sorry.

1721
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:20,040
 Nobody's going to walk in Texas heat.

1722
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,600
 Nobody's going to just jump in their car, they're going to drive down there, they're

1723
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,080
 going to park, they're going to get out, and they're going to go back in their car and

1724
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:27,680
 they're going to drive away.

1725
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:28,680
 Nobody is walking.

1726
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:29,680
 I'm sorry.

1727
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:30,680
 They're just not going to do that.

1728
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,640
 And if you're going to start putting bike lanes down there, those roads are too tight

1729
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,720
 and then it's going to be real dangerous.

1730
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:40,880
 And I don't know how you're going to make that because on Windsor Road you put bike lanes

1731
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,880
 over on Windsor Road where I live at.

1732
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:43,880
 Nobody uses them.

1733
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,760
 You're just cutting down on road space for nothing at all.

1734
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,240
 And this is going to, I don't know, you didn't say anything about money.

1735
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,440
 This is going to cost a fortune.

1736
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:57,360
 And everybody's complaining about property taxes and how the property taxes keep coming

1737
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:58,360
 up.

1738
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,880
 But you guys keep spending all this money on all these things, but then people complain

1739
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:03,240
 they have property taxes.

1740
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:04,240
 You can't have both, man.

1741
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:08,640
 If you're going to keep spending money like drunken sailors, property taxes are going

1742
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,820
 to have to go up to fund this stuff.

1743
01:48:10,820 --> 01:48:14,200
 And it's just total ridiculous because everybody's complaining about property taxes, but then

1744
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:15,940
 they don't want to cut spending.

1745
01:48:15,940 --> 01:48:18,940
 It's the whole thing just because you can't have both, man, because what you're going

1746
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:22,240
 to do, if you keep spending money like this, you're going to bankrupt the city.

1747
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,240
 Have a nice night.

1748
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:26,720
 Thank you.

1749
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,840
 Commissioner Pradron, you're still on the board, but are you, did you have anything?

1750
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:30,840
 Okay.

1751
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:31,840
 Thank you.

1752
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:32,840
 Okay.

1753
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:37,400
 The next card I have to speak is Gabriel Kirkpatrick.

1754
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:46,800
 Hi, if you'll give us your name, your time will begin.

1755
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:48,800
 Hi, my name is Gabriel Kirkpatrick.

1756
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,520
 Just want to say that I'm in support of this for a number of reasons.

1757
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,960
 I think it's long overdue.

1758
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,600
 Denton is growing rapidly.

1759
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,360
 One thing that I don't think we've done a good enough job of is how we're doing with

1760
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,360
 our downtown area.

1761
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:05,840
 I love the idea of having green spaces, of having parks, of connecting and having walkable

1762
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:09,320
 areas between the universities and the downtown sectors.

1763
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:10,320
 Long overdue.

1764
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:14,680
 One thing I didn't hear, and forgive me, I may have, when I read through is the water

1765
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:15,680
 reuse.

1766
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:16,680
 That's one concern I have.

1767
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:20,440
 When, you know, as we're building these things out in green spaces and things of that nature,

1768
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:24,420
 obviously we're in a very hot and dry climate, you know, just kind of what are the plans

1769
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:28,080
 for water reuse with a lot of this going on?

1770
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,840
 But in short, these plans are long overdue for this city, I think.

1771
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:36,640
 They may not be perfect, but it's something that we need to engage into and especially

1772
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,520
 that we're going to be supporting music and arts.

1773
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,840
 Some of the amphitheater ideas I think are long overdue as well.

1774
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,760
 I've used that term quite a bit.

1775
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:47,280
 I just think that we are finally focusing on something here that is the heart of the

1776
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:53,000
 city that everybody wants to come to Denton for and we need to be focusing on those things.

1777
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,360
 So I'm heavily supportive of, but I do have that question about water reuse and we'll

1778
01:49:56,360 --> 01:50:00,600
 follow up with the city or however that works properly, just trying to get a feel of how

1779
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:06,240
 are we reclaiming water when we're building new structures and when we're retrofitting

1780
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:07,240
 areas.

1781
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:08,240
 So that's about my only question on it.

1782
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:12,320
 But I think it's great and I applaud the city for the work they did.

1783
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,520
 To Desiree's point too though, the demographic on who was reached out to is always interesting

1784
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,520
 to me too.

1785
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:18,760
 How you did that, who you got in touch with.

1786
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,320
 I know that's a very difficult thing, getting people to step up and actually fill out a

1787
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:26,000
 survey or to give their voice.

1788
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,760
 But yeah, I'm very much supportive.

1789
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:29,360
 So thank you and thank you for your time.

1790
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,800
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1791
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:39,080
 Cameron or Zach, can I ask a question with regard to what Mr. Kirkpatrick brought up?

1792
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:42,640
 Did we talk about water reclamation at all?

1793
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:43,640
 Not specifically.

1794
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:48,960
 We did talk about sort of building sustainability and thinking about the ways that we can make

1795
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:55,520
 sure that the plan is meeting and exceeding building codes in all of the areas from the

1796
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,980
 public realm improvements and so on.

1797
01:50:57,980 --> 01:50:59,320
 That is a very interesting idea.

1798
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,920
 I think it's something that could be examined probably further.

1799
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:07,820
 It would probably be something that would be incorporated into design guidelines, which

1800
01:51:07,820 --> 01:51:12,360
 would be one of the first implementation steps of the plan.

1801
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:17,880
 So just to make sure that that's clear, the adoption of this plan does not set any of

1802
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:21,360
 those zoning regulations or design guidelines in place.

1803
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:25,880
 That would be a further process that would actually have to continue from this in order

1804
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:30,720
 to actually create the actual regulation around those elements.

1805
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:31,720
 Okay.

1806
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:32,720
 Thank you.

1807
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:33,720
 Appreciate your thoughts on that.

1808
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:34,720
 Oh, sorry, Gary.

1809
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:35,720
 I didn't see you.

1810
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:36,720
 Good evening.

1811
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:41,900
 Gary Pack and Parks and Recreation.

1812
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:46,760
 One thing, and I don't have the specifics yet, but water utilities is working on a reclaimed

1813
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:52,440
 water process in a master plan so we can identify where we can put that reclaimed water and

1814
01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:58,200
 use it for irrigation, not necessarily capturing water off of roofs of buildings, but reusing

1815
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:02,120
 water in a reclaimed fashion, which is not using potable water.

1816
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:03,120
 Okay.

1817
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:04,120
 Awesome.

1818
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:05,120
 That's good to know.

1819
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:06,120
 Thank you for sharing with us.

1820
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:07,120
 Okay.

1821
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:21,320
 Our next card I have to speak is Neil Durantz.

1822
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:22,320
 Hello there.

1823
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:23,320
 Nice to meet you.

1824
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:24,320
 Thank you.

1825
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:25,320
 Good evening, Neil Durantz.

1826
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:26,320
 Thank you.

1827
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,480
 My office is at 1108 North Locust, just right up the way inside the plan.

1828
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:36,980
 I hadn't heard a lot about this or any of the events, but I got a letter last week that

1829
01:52:36,980 --> 01:52:38,760
 this was coming up.

1830
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:44,040
 And since I only have four minutes and don't see a timer, I assume I get about 45 minutes.

1831
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:45,040
 Okay.

1832
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,040
 Maybe not.

1833
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:52,080
 But I can't go over in four minutes 70 pages worth of document.

1834
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,800
 Let me start out by saying this has got to be the most colorful report I've ever seen.

1835
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:56,800
 It's very pretty.

1836
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,000
 There's lots of really pretty pictures in this at all.

1837
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,520
 This is also the third, fifth, or eighth, I can't remember, downtown plan that I've

1838
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,280
 seen this kind of this city go through.

1839
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:10,920
 The last one I think cost us about $250,000 or something like that.

1840
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:13,640
 And we got flower pots around the square.

1841
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:16,680
 I'm not sure how that works out.

1842
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:24,660
 The problem that we have in these types of plans is that we haven't learned about city

1843
01:53:24,660 --> 01:53:25,660
 planning.

1844
01:53:25,660 --> 01:53:28,160
 And when we go out to the people, that's a great thing to do.

1845
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:32,720
 We do want to be responsive to the public, but the fundamental city planning has not

1846
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:35,040
 been completed.

1847
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:39,680
 This report is stocked full of generalities about promotion and how things need to look

1848
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:44,460
 good and people need to enjoy themselves more.

1849
01:53:44,460 --> 01:53:50,960
 They talked about walkability, they talk about efficiency of space, they talk about entertainment

1850
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:56,880
 venues, all of which we've covered about four or five times in the last 30 years.

1851
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:00,600
 They also talk about a vision statement.

1852
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,720
 We're not talking reality here folks, we're talking dreams.

1853
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:09,560
 We need to be addressing the real problems of this town and the pleasant plan does not

1854
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:11,040
 do that.

1855
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:16,680
 Now, I can't review all 70 pages, but let me take one example.

1856
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:24,360
 We've been talking about walkability around here ever since I got here in 1964, okay?

1857
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:28,440
 Because in '64 the problem was people bringing horses to the square.

1858
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:33,280
 That makes walkability a problem if you've ever been buying a horse for very long.

1859
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,160
 And so there was lots of things.

1860
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:36,760
 We've been talking about that for 30 years.

1861
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:41,280
 Nobody's looked at it, does anybody remember the German models?

1862
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,580
 The German models talk about efficiency of space and walkability and they've been the

1863
01:54:44,580 --> 01:54:49,480
 best ones followed practically around the world by now for those people who really want

1864
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:50,480
 to plan.

1865
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:53,280
 That's just one area it's not addressed.

1866
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,000
 There's nothing about parking.

1867
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,800
 Parking has been the perennial problem about the square.

1868
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:01,380
 We would like to bring people down to it, but where are they going to park?

1869
01:55:01,380 --> 01:55:06,280
 And as the other speaker just mentioned, you know it gets hot, you know how we are in Texas.

1870
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:10,600
 You know we get in the car and drive 40 feet to go see our neighbors, you know.

1871
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:15,240
 So I think that doesn't really face the real idea of that.

1872
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:21,120
 The fundamental problem has been that there is no determination of economic models that

1873
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:27,840
 will support or link with the results of city planning, okay?

1874
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:29,260
 You following me?

1875
01:55:29,260 --> 01:55:32,240
 Because that means that we have to side the model.

1876
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:38,360
 The speaker himself said, and very nice guy, I like him a lot, he said that we have to

1877
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,080
 get private sector involvement.

1878
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:45,860
 I don't know about y'all, but have you ever gone into a businessman and said, by the way,

1879
01:55:45,860 --> 01:55:49,840
 we were going to pass a zoning requirement that said you're going to have to invest another

1880
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:57,640
 $40,000 in your business or in your building or wherever to get past our planning and zoning

1881
01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,040
 committee.

1882
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:04,480
 That doesn't go over real well and then you're talked about being anti-business.

1883
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,840
 Of course I have 28 seconds.

1884
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,040
 Enfield south of the square has been a perennial problem.

1885
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:13,120
 The same collides are down there that have always been down there and we don't hear how

1886
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:16,720
 that's going to be addressed on Enfield problem.

1887
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:22,160
 And we've got a hole in the square that I think, y'all know these things, I'm not telling

1888
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:23,680
 you anything you don't know.

1889
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:28,640
 We need to address those particular problems, but again it is not done with an economic

1890
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:31,800
 model that addresses the city planning issues.

1891
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:38,440
 And until that happens, I know my time has expired, I'll conclude, until we do that in

1892
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:44,560
 a realistic ways, then we've just made another pretty report and it will go back on the shelf

1893
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:49,840
 with the last one in the last three or four or five that we've seen about our downtown

1894
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:50,840
 area.

1895
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:57,360
 Oh, by the way, entertainment venue for what they were talking about with theaters and

1896
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,400
 everything, I think we got one, it's called Campus Theater.

1897
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:06,600
 And oh, by the way, if you look in the little pictures, if you put a beer garden in over

1898
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:13,120
 there on the Civic Center Park or the Quaker Town Park without talking to the arts and

1899
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:18,560
 jazz and it's where the one o'clock lab band's going to be performing the next year, I think

1900
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,440
 you've got a problem on your hands.

1901
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:26,120
 So we need to think of these things in realistic terms and address problems.

1902
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:31,040
 The first one starts with the economics of this city and that's a tough one.

1903
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:36,240
 Now, I've always offered my help, they don't ask me anymore, that's fine.

1904
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:38,280
 But that's your job.

1905
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:43,440
 So thank you all, I look for your time and like I said, I look forward to hearing from

1906
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:44,440
 all of you.

1907
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:45,440
 Thank you.

1908
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:49,120
 Thank you, Mr. Dernitz.

1909
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:53,000
 I think I will just say, if you do have time to read the rest of that report, that was

1910
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:58,200
 a very high level that we got there from Zach, but there are things in the plan, I know with

1911
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:03,240
 regard to parking, there are things in the plan with regard to economically how we achieve

1912
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:04,320
 some of these goals.

1913
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:10,120
 So there's a lot more than the high level that we saw in that few minutes of that presentation.

1914
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:16,240
 So if you do have the time, I would encourage you to read all of it.

1915
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:20,880
 I do have a card here from Elizabeth Spoonce, I don't know if it's this item that you want

1916
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:28,560
 to speak on, okay, very good.

1917
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:31,800
 Hello.

1918
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:38,280
 Hi, how are you?

1919
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:49,320
 My husband and I were looking over the plan and noticed that they have decided to reallocate

1920
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:57,880
 the land that the pool is taking, the community pool, and the senior center.

1921
01:58:57,880 --> 01:58:59,960
 Am I correct on that?

1922
01:58:59,960 --> 01:59:00,960
 Yes.

1923
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:09,680
 And so those are resources for the community that are widely used.

1924
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:20,080
 And as a senior citizen here in Denton, been in Denton most of my life, I think that's

1925
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:28,320
 one of the things that when you start reallocating things, reallocating land and resources, you

1926
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:33,680
 need to have a backup plan for where is the new senior center going to be?

1927
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:36,080
 And where is the new community pool going to be?

1928
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:43,120
 Because you just can't wipe out these resources for the community that are widely used.

1929
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:52,080
 And for every senior citizen sitting in this room, if you have not been to the senior center,

1930
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:58,280
 you're missing something really absolutely wonderful that this city offers senior citizens.

1931
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:05,920
 And I just think that, you know, this is great to want to do improvements.

1932
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,800
 I do think financially this is going to be huge.

1933
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:19,120
 I would love to see this, you all, take a look at some of the things that you could

1934
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:21,240
 do in steps.

1935
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:27,800
 And I know there's phases, but, like, why can downtown, just the square that you've

1936
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:33,480
 already invested a lot in with the walkways and the planters and all that, why can you

1937
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:41,280
 not just go ahead and create some great signage for all the businesses that are there that

1938
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:50,160
 give some uniformity to the downtown square and not have it look so hodgepodge and get

1939
02:00:50,160 --> 02:01:00,560
 some things going that would make Denton way more attractive without having to spend millions

1940
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:07,160
 of dollars and with reducing resources that already exist.

1941
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:14,560
 In terms of the Quaker Town Park, I think that the gentleman spoke about Jazz Fest,

1942
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:19,580
 that's a huge draw to our city, huge, huge draw.

1943
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:27,280
 I live way up by T.W.U. and I'm telling you, people park and walk for miles to get to Jazz

1944
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:34,160
 Fest, and so, you know, reallocating land and taking things away and not looking at

1945
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:41,680
 how we're utilizing that, that needs to be looked at really strongly because it's already

1946
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,400
 a strong asset for this city.

1947
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:49,760
 And I am just about out of time and out of topics.

1948
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:52,820
 So thank you very much for your time, I appreciate it.

1949
02:01:52,820 --> 02:01:53,820
 >> Thank you.

1950
02:01:53,820 --> 02:01:58,280
 >> And I guess just, yeah, come on down, Gary.

1951
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:03,280
 >> Gary back and Director of Parks and Recreation.

1952
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:09,800
 November 2023, residents voted and approved a 40 plus million dollar rebuilding of a senior

1953
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:10,960
 center.

1954
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:13,600
 So that will not be removed until that is done.

1955
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:16,040
 That is scoped to be done in the next couple of years.

1956
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:18,000
 So that is moving forward.

1957
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:22,280
 Our aquatics master plan was approved and adopted by council earlier this year to outline

1958
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:25,120
 future improvements of aquatics.

1959
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:30,680
 If this plan would move forward and that facility would remove from the park, there would be

1960
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,520
 other pool facilities in the city to accommodate that.

1961
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:40,800
 In regards to arts and jazz, we did meet with all, most if not all of the event planners

1962
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,520
 that take place in Quaker Town to make sure they were involved and provided feedback,

1963
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:47,800
 especially arts and jazz, and we met with them twice.

1964
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:48,800
 >> Great.

1965
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:49,800
 Yeah.

1966
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:50,800
 Thank you for sharing that.

1967
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:51,800
 Yeah, and I'll just add to that.

1968
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:56,920
 We have to look at it like this plan that we're discussing tonight is a vision.

1969
02:02:56,920 --> 02:03:01,240
 It's a vision for this downtown area to make it better.

1970
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:05,180
 Not to take away, not to do without the things that we're enjoying.

1971
02:03:05,180 --> 02:03:09,760
 It's to make it better and improve upon what we already have.

1972
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:12,480
 That's what this is, is a vision.

1973
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:13,480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1974
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:14,520
 >> Thank you, Chair.

1975
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,640
 Question for Zach, I believe.

1976
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:23,080
 There have been a few comments on sort of the sticker shock of some of the things in

1977
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:26,800
 this plan and what that means to the city.

1978
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:36,080
 I wonder if you could just give us a general feeling on what types of development typically

1979
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:42,040
 receive more tax dollars from property tax than it costs to support them and the infrastructure

1980
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:49,040
 in front of that property versus what types of development the city spends more to maintain

1981
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,840
 than it receives in property tax from that property.

1982
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:57,760
 >> Now, I want to say that this is definitely something that can change a little bit from

1983
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:05,320
 city to city, but typically commercial and mixed use development is a sort of net positive

1984
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:09,800
 that actually pays in more taxes than it receives in services.

1985
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:16,560
 Typically it can vary quite a bit depending on the age of buildings and different things

1986
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:17,560
 like that, of course.

1987
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:21,680
 We want to make sure that you caveat that, but typically those larger scale developments

1988
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:26,680
 do have a higher tax rate because there's no homesteading in some of those things when

1989
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:30,360
 you look at a per square foot development ratio.

1990
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,360
 >> Thank you.

1991
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:33,360
 >> Yep.

1992
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:34,360
 >> Thank you.

1993
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:35,360
 Thanks again, Zach.

1994
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:40,040
 The next card I have is Jody Ismert.

1995
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:51,160
 >> Jody Ismert, 819 Anna Street, and I just want to, I'm speaking out in support of the

1996
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:52,160
 downtown plan.

1997
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:53,480
 I think it's a good plan.

1998
02:04:53,480 --> 02:04:55,960
 I like the vision.

1999
02:04:55,960 --> 02:05:04,200
 I mostly wanted to also mention, I haven't looked at all the details yet, but walkability

2000
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:12,240
 also, I notice that there is an emphasis on the east side going through the neighborhoods

2001
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:18,240
 there, but nothing on the west side, like near Bolivar, where there's a lot of walkers

2002
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:25,880
 and cyclists, so I kind of wanted to emphasize perhaps to also include that section as well

2003
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:30,800
 for walkability and cycling as well.

2004
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:40,280
 I also, as far as the civic center park, I have to say, and I realize it's a vision,

2005
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:44,560
 but I also want to say I want to make sure that I really like the pool there.

2006
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:50,200
 I think it's nice to have a neighborhood pool in the center of the city for people to use,

2007
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:54,520
 especially with such density, and so I'm sad to see that that might actually be going away

2008
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:58,520
 perhaps.

2009
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:07,000
 And I'd also like to say that I didn't quite see information on what's happening with the

2010
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:08,000
 neighborhoods.

2011
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:13,880
 I live north of the square, and I'm actually looking into historic status, because my house

2012
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,880
 was built in 1940.

2013
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:21,840
 One of the things I've always wanted downtown to do was to incorporate us as far as make

2014
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:27,320
 the roads nicer, make the sidewalks nice, have the cute little acorn lights going through

2015
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:38,000
 the neighborhoods, maybe without maybe dark sky friendly, but instead we kind of got the

2016
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:44,080
 same lights that are on Carol and things of that nature, so it doesn't really incorporate

2017
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:48,560
 us into the downtown, but I would like us to be incorporated into the downtown, but

2018
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:55,340
 not necessarily as part of development, but as part of, as a neighborhood, as R2 as we

2019
02:06:55,340 --> 02:07:05,680
 exist, but understood that we are, we should benefit in ways that enhance our neighborhood,

2020
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:10,960
 like with walkability and with lights at night, because it's very dark.

2021
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:16,400
 We still, you know, we still receive a lot of downtown traffic with people walking, but

2022
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:21,240
 it's very, very dark on our roads at night and things of that nature, so that's kind

2023
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:28,600
 of what I wanted to add, just for the cyclists and the walkers that live on that side, perhaps

2024
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:34,360
 you all could consider incorporating some more walkability there, some crosswalks and

2025
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:36,840
 things of that nature, and that's really it.

2026
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:37,840
 I like the plan though.

2027
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:38,840
 I mean, it's interesting.

2028
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:39,840
 It's good vision.

2029
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:40,840
 So thank you.

2030
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:41,840
 Thanks, Jody.

2031
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:44,520
 Yeah, and I think Zach's going to add something, because I do believe that the street you're

2032
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:47,480
 talking about is incorporated in the footprint of this plan.

2033
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:50,160
 Yeah, you've actually got a kid on something I think that's really key.

2034
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:54,680
 I think what we heard in terms of the neighborhoods to the north is that we really want to not

2035
02:07:54,680 --> 02:08:00,360
 disturb them with an extreme amount of development, but that the public realm improvements, the

2036
02:08:00,360 --> 02:08:03,120
 sidewalks, et cetera, are something that's really, really important.

2037
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:09,620
 So the chill streets that are laid out are priorities in terms of areas where we want

2038
02:08:09,620 --> 02:08:12,880
 to make sure that we're seeing investment early on in order to create those networks

2039
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:18,400
 of paths between the universities and the square and so on, but the design guidelines

2040
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:24,320
 and the sort of elements in terms of the width of the sidewalks, the plantings, those sorts

2041
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:27,840
 of things would actually be accommodated throughout downtown.

2042
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:32,680
 There are slight changes in them within the historic sort of square component versus the

2043
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:38,760
 outside of the neighborhoods, but it is absolutely definitely foreseen that those types of improvements

2044
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:44,040
 while again, hopefully not disturbing the development character of those areas would

2045
02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:47,240
 be something that would happen.

2046
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,120
 Thank you very much.

2047
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:52,240
 Next card I have is Christine Bray.

2048
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:54,200
 Hi.

2049
02:08:54,200 --> 02:09:03,360
 All right, hello, everyone.

2050
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:06,040
 I see a lot to love about this plan.

2051
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:07,880
 I really like so many elements of it.

2052
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:10,800
 The walkability, as other speakers mentioned.

2053
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:15,460
 If folks think people don't walk, I would encourage you to sit over by Midway Mart and

2054
02:09:15,460 --> 02:09:22,120
 just see how many people cross back and forth on Oak crossing Carroll, which is a dangerous

2055
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:23,120
 intersection.

2056
02:09:23,120 --> 02:09:28,080
 There's been quite a few collisions there, injuries, but a lot of people walk that and

2057
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:33,560
 crossing back and forth between that more UNT area, the historic Oak Hickory area and

2058
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:38,080
 downtown I think that's an area that needs a lot of attention because people are crossing

2059
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:41,720
 there constantly, but it is risky.

2060
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:47,440
 I also like that it continues the kind of historic downtown development trajectory of

2061
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:52,440
 mixed use of providing things for the public, right?

2062
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:56,960
 That's what downtown Denton was built as and I appreciate that this acknowledges that,

2063
02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:02,200
 preserves the historic character of downtown and is talking about maintaining ownership

2064
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,440
 opportunities and adding affordable housing.

2065
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:07,320
 I also like the transit emphasis, huge bus person.

2066
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:12,120
 I think that there is so much better that we could be doing to serve our downtown area

2067
02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:13,120
 with public transit.

2068
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:15,400
 Mitigating the urban heat island effect, great.

2069
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:17,720
 We need more trees.

2070
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,960
 It should be more comfortable to walk around downtown.

2071
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:24,000
 Raised artistic crosswalks, I had pitched that years ago on traffic safety.

2072
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,760
 I'm glad to see it come back.

2073
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:30,280
 Turning the former mini mall into something, I'm excited about that idea.

2074
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:31,280
 Increasing public art.

2075
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:36,440
 I do share the concerns about moving the senior center and the pool kind of out of our downtown

2076
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:38,160
 walkable amenity rich area.

2077
02:10:38,160 --> 02:10:42,200
 I think that we should be keeping things where they are accessible to folks.

2078
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:45,960
 I also have concerns about the new city hall plan being included in that.

2079
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:47,160
 I was on bond committee.

2080
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:49,280
 We had rejected that.

2081
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:54,240
 I wish that maybe there had been some reconsideration of that, but overall, I love this plan.

2082
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:57,660
 It's got so many exciting ideas in it and I really hope to see it move forward.

2083
02:10:57,660 --> 02:10:58,660
 Thank you.

2084
02:10:58,660 --> 02:10:59,660
 Thank you.

2085
02:10:59,660 --> 02:11:07,480
 Our next card I have is Jennifer Lane.

2086
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:11,640
 I agree with pretty much said I just wanted to underscore that the Civic Center Pool is

2087
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:16,280
 designed by O'Neill Ford, so it should be kept because of its historic significance.

2088
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:21,400
 It's interesting, you know, just as you see parks that are designed by famous architects,

2089
02:11:21,400 --> 02:11:26,520
 this swimming pool as part of Quaker Town Park was designed by O'Neill Ford.

2090
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:32,880
 And so it's an important item for the local people to use, but also because of its incredibly

2091
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:35,120
 beautiful design.

2092
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:37,200
 So I would recommend that that be kept in there.

2093
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:40,960
 And then I'm just curious about one of the designs.

2094
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:42,880
 Maybe someone can speak to it.

2095
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:46,000
 The legend here, I'm trying to understand the gray areas that are on either side of

2096
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:47,000
 downtown.

2097
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:50,720
 I don't think they're equivalent because the south side isn't residential, but the north

2098
02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:51,720
 side is.

2099
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:54,440
 So I was just sort of wondering what that was about.

2100
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:57,680
 I don't know if anybody can address it.

2101
02:11:57,680 --> 02:12:02,520
 I understand the legend pretty well, except the gray areas, I'm not sure what those mean.

2102
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:04,640
 Just the areas outside of downtown.

2103
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:07,360
 So they're just kind of whatever isn't being discussed as opposed to...

2104
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:08,360
 Yeah, exactly.

2105
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:09,360
 That's exactly right.

2106
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:10,360
 Awesome.

2107
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:11,360
 Thanks.

2108
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:13,880
 Thank you.

2109
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:17,080
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but this is a public hearing.

2110
02:12:17,080 --> 02:12:20,600
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

2111
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:23,600
 Okay.

2112
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:27,840
 Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion

2113
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:32,160
 or a motion.

2114
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:33,160
 Commissioner Villareal.

2115
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:34,160
 Thank you, Chair.

2116
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:36,760
 I have a couple of questions for staff.

2117
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,720
 I know a lot's been made about the pole removal.

2118
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:46,320
 How key to the plan's vision is the removal of the pole, would you say?

2119
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:53,360
 I'll probably let Gary come speak to this as well, but as Gary was saying, there has

2120
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:57,920
 already been direction from council about that issue.

2121
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:03,200
 And so our plan built on that direction, and the same is true for the senior center.

2122
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:08,520
 So I would assume that those are issues that could be reopened potentially, however they

2123
02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:11,960
 are indeed things that the council has already given direction on.

2124
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:12,960
 Gotcha.

2125
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:14,560
 So kind of outside of our scope here.

2126
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:15,560
 That's exactly right.

2127
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:21,720
 So second question, I know we spoke about the inclusion of the Southeast Denton neighborhood

2128
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:24,520
 plan and how there were conversations with the team there.

2129
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:28,240
 And I have also heard that the lines aren't set in stone.

2130
02:13:28,240 --> 02:13:32,360
 I just want to make sure that there's no, that perhaps we could set some of the lines

2131
02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:38,920
 in stone in terms of the boundary between downtown Denton and the Southeast neighborhood,

2132
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:41,760
 Southeast Denton neighborhood, since that is a major point of concern.

2133
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:42,760
 Right.

2134
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:47,080
 So the way that we actually approached that in the process, in our early steps, we did

2135
02:13:47,080 --> 02:13:49,480
 not show a boundary at all when we were talking about downtown.

2136
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:52,920
 We let people self-define where they were.

2137
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:58,640
 Similarly with the Southeast Denton group, they actually did a public engagement activity

2138
02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:02,600
 where they asked people to draw a line around what they thought of as Southeast Denton.

2139
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:06,600
 So the ultimate boundaries that we decided on for the two studies were based on the input

2140
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:08,520
 from the Southeast community.

2141
02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:13,960
 However, we of course know that there are influences and we wanted to also make sure

2142
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:17,740
 that the Southeast community was being really represented in the economic opportunities

2143
02:14:17,740 --> 02:14:20,960
 and other opportunities that come from downtown as well.

2144
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:24,480
 So we really tried to make sure that we were working closely together in order to really

2145
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:28,600
 think about the ways that the plans are complimentary to each other.

2146
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:29,600
 Thank you.

2147
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:30,600
 Yeah.

2148
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:31,600
 Thank you.

2149
02:14:31,600 --> 02:14:40,560
 Gary, did you have anything to add while commissioner Villarreal still has the floor here?

2150
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:45,240
 Gary Pack and director of Parks and Recreation, could you repeat your question, please?

2151
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:48,200
 Sure, the first question was about the removal of the pool.

2152
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:50,960
 I know it sounds like city council already voted to do that.

2153
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:54,120
 Yeah, no, that hasn't specifically happened.

2154
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:59,800
 So we're at a point where we either have to make infrastructure improvements to that facility

2155
02:14:59,800 --> 02:15:04,800
 long-term or come up with another plan.

2156
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:11,360
 We have, we're trying to move our infrastructure from aquatics to regional-based concept.

2157
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:17,320
 As the city continues to grow, we have really two facilities in a spray ground.

2158
02:15:17,320 --> 02:15:18,320
 Aquatics is very costly.

2159
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:23,560
 We're trying to balance operational expenses while we grow and improve as a parks recreation

2160
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:24,720
 department.

2161
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:29,560
 So we're trying to figure out the best process moving forward in regards to regional facilities

2162
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:31,080
 as best we can.

2163
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:34,000
 As we are a smaller community, we're more community-based.

2164
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:38,840
 If you look at where our rec centers are located, they're really tight within the city's kind

2165
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:42,840
 of the loop, but the city's growing outside of the loop.

2166
02:15:42,840 --> 02:15:48,040
 So we're trying to look and try to move towards that direction of regional-based.

2167
02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:52,280
 At some point in time, we're going to have to make a decision whether to reinvest in

2168
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:58,920
 the pool in Quaker Town, which we could do, or the plan as it's proposed right now turns

2169
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:00,360
 it into a spray ground.

2170
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:04,760
 So there's still an aquatic component there, which is less from an operational standpoint.

2171
02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:08,000
 We don't have to have staff there, just regular maintenance.

2172
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:11,800
 We don't have to have lifeguards as a typical pool would have.

2173
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:17,160
 So there would be another facility that would be built within the city if that ever came

2174
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:18,160
 offline.

2175
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:19,160
 Gotcha.

2176
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:24,840
 And has there been any consideration given to perhaps the historical nature of the pool?

2177
02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:26,640
 That's the one thing that we need to look at.

2178
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:31,520
 No, I think the original structure was an O'Neill Ford one, and this was replaced at

2179
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,880
 some point in time.

2180
02:16:33,880 --> 02:16:35,480
 I'll let the historical ...

2181
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:41,800
 Hi, Karen Robertson, also Historic Preservation Officer.

2182
02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:46,600
 So the pool was designed as part of the original O'Neill Ford complex.

2183
02:16:46,600 --> 02:16:52,600
 A large overhaul and maintenance was done to it in 1993, and within the last two years,

2184
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:57,680
 there has been maintenance of new concrete, a new pergola being put up.

2185
02:16:57,680 --> 02:17:01,960
 So there is been that in-kind replacement, but it has seen maintenance over the years.

2186
02:17:01,960 --> 02:17:02,960
 Thank you.

2187
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:07,720
 So do we have a percentage of how much is the original pool or ...?

2188
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:11,800
 I can give you approximate based off the plans that I've seen.

2189
02:17:11,800 --> 02:17:16,800
 I would say less than 40% of it is the original pool.

2190
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:17,800
 Gotcha.

2191
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:24,360
 But just ... She's a lot taller than me.

2192
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:26,400
 Just a reminder, again, this is a visionary plan.

2193
02:17:26,400 --> 02:17:31,440
 We still have a lot of steps to go through in regards to adoption for city council consideration

2194
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:32,440
 and moving forward.

2195
02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:33,440
 Gotcha.

2196
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:38,720
 And just so it's asked on the senior center, I know we voted for that last year.

2197
02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:42,680
 Was the move included in the bond vote or is that just consideration that y'all are

2198
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:43,680
 giving?

2199
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:44,680
 Yeah.

2200
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:50,600
 So the feedback that we've been getting as the senior center continues to grow and expand,

2201
02:17:50,600 --> 02:17:51,680
 we have two senior centers.

2202
02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:56,440
 We have one in Quaker Town and one at Fredmore Park.

2203
02:17:56,440 --> 02:17:59,120
 We've identified two locations that they could possibly go to.

2204
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:04,020
 We have not started the process to get community feedback in regards to the location, but early

2205
02:18:04,020 --> 02:18:08,440
 on the discussion was that it's probably not going to happen where it's at right now.

2206
02:18:08,440 --> 02:18:14,800
 Based on the size of the park, the needs of the facility, the parking is an issue for

2207
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:18,900
 our seniors at our facility, and that was during our parks master plan process.

2208
02:18:18,900 --> 02:18:25,720
 That was the number one feedback component that was received from the users of that facility

2209
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:30,320
 was parking is an issue, especially in the summertime when there's a lot going on.

2210
02:18:30,320 --> 02:18:33,960
 And just approximately, do you know if there's a lot of folks who walk from their home to

2211
02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:34,960
 the senior center?

2212
02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:37,560
 I don't have that number.

2213
02:18:37,560 --> 02:18:42,760
 We did get feedback about public transportation, so that is definitely something that we'd

2214
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:45,400
 consider to make sure that we have that component.

2215
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:46,400
 Awesome.

2216
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:47,400
 Thank you.

2217
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:48,400
 You bet.

2218
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:49,400
 Thanks, Gary.

2219
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:50,400
 Come on up.

2220
02:18:50,400 --> 02:18:51,400
 Sure.

2221
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:52,400
 Of course.

2222
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:53,400
 Thank you so much.

2223
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:57,920
 One thing I did want to add in addition to the pool is that the design does remain the

2224
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:03,520
 same though, so that placement of the pool, that sunbathing embankment that kind of faces

2225
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:05,840
 the pool, that all still remains intact.

2226
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:08,880
 So I did just want to clarify that.

2227
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:09,880
 Thank you very much.

2228
02:19:09,880 --> 02:19:10,880
 Commissioner Pruitt.

2229
02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:14,440
 Thank you, Chair.

2230
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:17,960
 Thank you everyone who's come out to speak and share your thoughts.

2231
02:19:17,960 --> 02:19:27,840
 It really helps us, I think this gives us a good platform from which to go forth.

2232
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:33,640
 I will say personally, I tend to not be excited about losing the pool either.

2233
02:19:33,640 --> 02:19:36,120
 They are really expensive, however.

2234
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:42,840
 What I see is that there's some new opportunities in front of us, and there's some old infrastructure

2235
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:52,760
 that would need serious rehabilitation to keep, and it's sort of a race between how

2236
02:19:52,760 --> 02:20:03,080
 soon can we make it desirable and financially feasible to build more housing in our downtown

2237
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:09,680
 area in order to get more usage out of these facilities versus when that stuff starts to

2238
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:12,400
 age out, what's the desire?

2239
02:20:12,400 --> 02:20:16,880
 Just to give you an impression, the entire downtown study area, and I'm sure Zach will

2240
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:22,280
 correct me if I'm wrong, but when I did this calculation several months ago, it had an

2241
02:20:22,280 --> 02:20:30,520
 average residential density in the entire 700-something acres of 2.78 homes per acre.

2242
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:36,200
 So that's significantly even less than the density of a typical single-family subdivision.

2243
02:20:36,200 --> 02:20:38,560
 We've got a lot of room to grow.

2244
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:40,480
 So I'm excited to see the future.

2245
02:20:40,480 --> 02:20:47,020
 I think the 1,500 homes is a thing that I hope we can surpass much earlier than Zach's

2246
02:20:47,020 --> 02:20:54,840
 team projects, and I hope that it gives us the tax revenue and the activity down there

2247
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:59,800
 to be able to grow more small businesses, to be able to see more usage out of our loved

2248
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:03,120
 facilities, and to be able to see some new ones come as well.

2249
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:04,120
 Thank you.

2250
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:05,120
 Thank you.

2251
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:06,120
 Commissioner Thacker.

2252
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:07,120
 Thank you, Chair.

2253
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:12,560
 I have two questions, the first one is for Parks and the other ones I can direct towards

2254
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:14,400
 Cameron or Sean.

2255
02:21:14,400 --> 02:21:16,520
 I was also on the Bond Committee.

2256
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:22,120
 I'm trying to recall, I thought that this senior center that we had inevitably decided

2257
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:26,000
 on or that we had considered had an aquatic element to it.

2258
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,320
 Am I wrong on that?

2259
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:33,280
 I know the one that you guys initially proposed was way, way out of budget, but I think when

2260
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:36,600
 we reconsidered that there was an aquatic element to that one.

2261
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:42,600
 There was some discussions, until we get through the design process, we're not sure if that

2262
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:47,340
 would be feasible from a financial standpoint.

2263
02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:54,040
 That is a desire, but wants desires and trying to balance all that's the challenge with

2264
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:55,040
 the finances.

2265
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:56,040
 Okay.

2266
02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:57,040
 Thank you.

2267
02:21:57,040 --> 02:21:58,040
 I just couldn't recall.

2268
02:21:58,040 --> 02:21:59,040
 Yes, ma'am.

2269
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:00,520
 And then, Cameron or Sean, maybe you guys can speak to this.

2270
02:22:00,520 --> 02:22:04,360
 I know that you guys said you were working with a couple of economic developers in terms

2271
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:09,440
 of, you know, with the whole plan kind of for consult.

2272
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:14,400
 Is there any been, has there been any consideration of possibly developing, I know we're really

2273
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:21,040
 big on our art and really big on our murals, but the potential of some type of corporate

2274
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,920
 sponsor via, you know, our style.

2275
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:31,560
 So I'm thinking the likes of like downtown Shreveport where Tabasco sponsored a giant

2276
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:37,680
 wall in which they painted this beautiful mural that, you know, gave an homage to downtown

2277
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:42,480
 Shreveport, but it was, it was still Tabasco and something that kind of incorporates who

2278
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:46,880
 we are as a city, but also allows for us to offset some of these costs.

2279
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:52,080
 I'm, you know, that poor subway up there didn't have a chance, man, but you know, in terms

2280
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:56,280
 of making it something that's our own, but something that incorporates Coca-Cola or something

2281
02:22:56,280 --> 02:23:00,000
 that incorporates in our own light, has any of that been considered?

2282
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:07,480
 Yeah, so the plan does recommend working through a public art plan and really expanding on

2283
02:23:07,480 --> 02:23:08,480
 the use of public art.

2284
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:11,720
 The murals that are already downtown have really been something again that people love

2285
02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:17,360
 and are well received thinking about the ways that can move that forward within both the

2286
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:25,480
 strategies around park improvements, as well as thinking in a broader way about longer

2287
02:23:25,480 --> 02:23:31,200
 term funding sources, it is more and more common that there is a philanthropic element

2288
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:36,600
 to that, whether that is naming rights in some cases with parks or other things like

2289
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:39,720
 that, that would go into that.

2290
02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:46,360
 And we do, I think, mention as a next step to look into, you know, the feasibility of

2291
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:50,760
 something like a park conservancy or something like that, that would be able to be a kind

2292
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:55,640
 of fiscal sponsor for those sorts of elements to be able to move forward now.

2293
02:23:55,640 --> 02:23:58,400
 Thank you.

2294
02:23:58,400 --> 02:23:59,400
 Commissioner Cole.

2295
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:00,400
 Thank you, Chair.

2296
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:08,800
 You guys have done such a great job, y'all work so hard, and this is another one you

2297
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:17,720
 guys just knocked out of the park, and I mean, y'all are amazing, your outreach is incredible,

2298
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:23,320
 and I just want to thank you for all your hard work.

2299
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:24,320
 Thank you.

2300
02:24:24,320 --> 02:24:28,160
 Okay, we've got the floor open for discussion or a motion.

2301
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:29,160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

2302
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:34,680
 Move approval with the full understanding that this is a vision, not a set plan, and

2303
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:38,840
 I'm hopeful that the city will take a lot of the consideration from the constituents

2304
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:41,800
 today into mind.

2305
02:24:41,800 --> 02:24:42,800
 Commissioner Cole.

2306
02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:43,800
 Second.

2307
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:50,040
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval, any other discussion?

2308
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:57,360
 Okay, I'll just thank everyone for coming out to speak today and share your thoughts.

2309
02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:05,920
 Thanks to the Zach, your team, Cameron, Sean, I mean, you were everywhere all the time it

2310
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:09,640
 seemed this past year, really, really great work on this.

2311
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:18,040
 The advisory committee that you had, I know, worked hard, the citizen involvement was fantastic,

2312
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:25,520
 so super, super fun to read through and see this coming to this day, it's really great,

2313
02:25:25,520 --> 02:25:31,960
 I think it's a great vision to make our downtown even better, yes, please, go ahead, Zach.

2314
02:25:31,960 --> 02:25:35,820
 We realized late that this was not in our acknowledgement, so it will be in the final

2315
02:25:35,820 --> 02:25:40,880
 version, but I did also want to mention the logo and the look of the plan was actually

2316
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:45,360
 designed by a Denton artist, Jude Landry, so I wanted to make sure his name got mentioned

2317
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:46,360
 today as well.

2318
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:47,360
 That's awesome.

2319
02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:48,360
 Thank you for doing that.

2320
02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:52,160
 I had forgotten about that, yes.

2321
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:55,760
 So with that, we'll go ahead, if there's no other discussion, go ahead and vote on the

2322
02:25:55,760 --> 02:26:16,760
 board, please.

2323
02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:19,480
 That motion will carry 6-0.

2324
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:30,960
 That will move us to our next public hearing item for tonight, that's 5D ASUP 23000.

2325
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:36,560
 I'll go ahead and open the public hearing, and while Sean's getting ready for presentation,

2326
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:40,360
 we'll just pause slightly because I think we're going to have some people heading out

2327
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:53,560
 the door.

2328
02:26:53,560 --> 02:27:01,080
 All right.

2329
02:27:01,080 --> 02:27:05,400
 Thank you, Chair and members of the commission, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, I'm here

2330
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:13,280
 to present ASUP 230001, the landmark at Locust project.

2331
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:18,320
 This is a request for an amendment to a specific use permit to allow for plan changes to an

2332
02:27:18,320 --> 02:27:21,500
 already approved multifamily development project.

2333
02:27:21,500 --> 02:27:28,080
 So just to clarify, we do, as many of you all know, have an approved specific use permit

2334
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:39,080
 for a 660-unit multifamily project on this site, and this amendment is not related to

2335
02:27:39,080 --> 02:27:43,040
 the use which is already approved, but simply to the design of the project.

2336
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:48,160
 It's some changes that went a little bit beyond what could be administratively approved.

2337
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:54,960
 The purpose here is to expand the remaining developable area adjacent to the proposed

2338
02:27:54,960 --> 02:28:01,240
 multifamily, so to leave a larger remaining area for development next to the multifamily,

2339
02:28:01,240 --> 02:28:04,920
 and that's proposed to be done by converting some of the street extensions into narrower

2340
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:09,080
 drive aisles and shifting that drive aisle to the east.

2341
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:13,200
 So this is located at the corner of Loop 288 and North Locust Street.

2342
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:17,000
 It's currently zoned, so we're in corridor which permits the use, and as stated, the

2343
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:20,040
 use has been approved already.

2344
02:28:20,040 --> 02:28:25,180
 The future land use lines up with what's requested.

2345
02:28:25,180 --> 02:28:30,800
 This request would make it easier, help facilitate the development of mixed use at this intersection,

2346
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:32,800
 which is what the future land use anticipates.

2347
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:39,120
 So staff is recommending approval of this amendment.

2348
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:44,760
 As I said, the background here, this was approved, 660 units, 24 buildings.

2349
02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:50,080
 The owner and the developer, after the approval, realized, came to us and said, we don't believe

2350
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:56,200
 we have enough space in the remainder area in order to put in retail site pads, and the

2351
02:28:56,200 --> 02:29:00,280
 changes that would be needed to widen that area went beyond what staff could administratively

2352
02:29:00,280 --> 02:29:05,960
 approve and therefore required, coming back to the process to amend the SUP, and so therefore

2353
02:29:05,960 --> 02:29:12,120
 we are before you to talk to those changes which primarily relate to expanding that area.

2354
02:29:12,120 --> 02:29:19,720
 So the key change requested is, initially, we had extensions of streets, AIM and Beale,

2355
02:29:19,720 --> 02:29:22,960
 into the site at a neighborhood street width.

2356
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:29,240
 Those would be converted over into private streets, which would, of course, be the maintenance

2357
02:29:29,240 --> 02:29:34,000
 responsibility would then go to the private owner, but they would be within public access

2358
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:35,000
 easement.

2359
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:39,360
 So the ability to access the site for the public would remain exactly the same, however,

2360
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:46,480
 the narrowing by about six feet there creates some expanded space for those adjacent non,

2361
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:52,240
 that remaining area, to develop in a non-residential way under the SC Zoning District.

2362
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:57,120
 In addition, that north-south drive aisle would be shifted about 50 feet to the east,

2363
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:00,920
 again, in order to expand that remaining area.

2364
02:30:00,920 --> 02:30:06,240
 Along with that, then, because of the reduction in the developable area for the multifamily

2365
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:11,040
 project, then we had internal site and landscape adjustments.

2366
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:15,320
 Too many to note, many primarily small ones, just moving things around in order to fit

2367
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:17,560
 into the smaller space.

2368
02:30:17,560 --> 02:30:20,240
 We also did have some entry and access design changes.

2369
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:24,000
 So in working through this a second time with our transportation folks, there were some

2370
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:27,680
 changes they recommended to the entry and exit drives.

2371
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:28,680
 Those were carried out.

2372
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:33,360
 You also see there's not that long extension, the north end, knowing, well, actually not

2373
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:38,320
 knowing exactly how TxDOT's expansion will go there, it made sense to provide some greater

2374
02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:42,620
 flexibility about where that future potential connection would be, rather than having them

2375
02:30:42,620 --> 02:30:45,240
 stick a long section of pavement up there.

2376
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:51,440
 Overall, you can see the result was about a 3.28 acre increase in the remainder area,

2377
02:30:51,440 --> 02:30:54,040
 which was the goal.

2378
02:30:54,040 --> 02:30:57,960
 Additional site impacts, so as I said, the right-of-way area is reduced, so we're not

2379
02:30:57,960 --> 02:31:00,520
 dedicating those extensions as right-of-way.

2380
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:06,640
 A number of units and buildings on the site was reduced, so it's about 36 less multi-family

2381
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:09,000
 units, one less building.

2382
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:13,880
 Landscape area decreased somewhat, but the percentage actually increased overall.

2383
02:31:13,880 --> 02:31:18,920
 Tree canopy increased in both Praia, usable open space was also able to be increased.

2384
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:22,120
 We did have an increase in number of building design styles, just because they needed more

2385
02:31:22,120 --> 02:31:26,380
 options in order to fit the buildings into the space they had.

2386
02:31:26,380 --> 02:31:33,820
 The buffers adjacent to the single-family residential area to the west were left unchanged.

2387
02:31:33,820 --> 02:31:40,160
 So overall, this is consistent with the development code and our approval criteria for the specific

2388
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:41,160
 use permit.

2389
02:31:41,160 --> 02:31:44,920
 It aligns with our 2040 comprehensive plan goals, which encourage development of mixed

2390
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:52,220
 use at key intersections, so providing a larger area for those potential commercial properties

2391
02:31:52,220 --> 02:31:57,520
 to develop next to the multi-family, seeing that multi-family has the opportunity to support

2392
02:31:57,520 --> 02:32:01,720
 that future commercial, which is in line with the goals of our comprehensive plan.

2393
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:06,320
 It's also consistent with the suburban corridor zoning district, which is designed to allow

2394
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:10,040
 both commercial and multi-family together.

2395
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:16,400
 The amended specific use permit continues to include measures to mitigate any substantial

2396
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:18,280
 negative impacts on surrounding property.

2397
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:23,440
 We're still recommending the traffic signal constructed by the developer at Beale and

2398
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:24,440
 Locust.

2399
02:32:24,440 --> 02:32:29,600
 We'll still have buffer areas between the neighboring residential and the proposed multi-family

2400
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:32,120
 and potential future commercial area.

2401
02:32:32,120 --> 02:32:39,320
 Still providing a trail and the other, essentially all of the mitigating elements in the original

2402
02:32:39,320 --> 02:32:41,520
 plan are left unchanged.

2403
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:46,840
 Utilities and infrastructure would be extended and/or upgraded to serve the subject property.

2404
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:51,440
 We did do the standard public outreach.

2405
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:54,700
 We did receive seven responses in opposition.

2406
02:32:54,700 --> 02:32:58,560
 The applicant also held a neighborhood meeting and the applicant is here and will be able

2407
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:04,080
 to speak more to what they heard from the neighbors at that time.

2408
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:08,920
 So what that staff is recommending approval of the SEP amendment with the following conditions,

2409
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:16,280
 which would repeal and replace the conditions from the original SEP and essentially apply

2410
02:33:16,280 --> 02:33:21,040
 the, what you see in the site landscape and building plans that would be attached to the

2411
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:22,040
 ordinance.

2412
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:24,040
 So with that, that is my presentation.

2413
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:27,160
 Happy to answer any questions you all may have.

2414
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:29,720
 Thank you very much, Sean.

2415
02:33:29,720 --> 02:33:31,800
 Commissioner Thacker.

2416
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:32,800
 Thank you, Chair.

2417
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:37,440
 I noted that most of the addresses of the opposition were kind of concentrated in one

2418
02:33:37,440 --> 02:33:38,440
 area.

2419
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:41,880
 Is there like one particular, is there something particular about the development that would

2420
02:33:41,880 --> 02:33:48,480
 suggest why that particular cluster more than any kind of has the opposition?

2421
02:33:48,480 --> 02:33:54,640
 I'm not sure that I could say that there is, because I would have said the one point where

2422
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:59,500
 there's kind of a connection to the existing neighborhood, and it's actually very specifically

2423
02:33:59,500 --> 02:34:07,320
 this plan was designed to not allow vehicles to travel from this development into the neighboring

2424
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:12,960
 area, and I really don't see a cluster around that one point where it connects.

2425
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:19,760
 So it's hard for me to say what that reasoning might be.

2426
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:22,200
 Okay.

2427
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:23,880
 Any other questions for Sean?

2428
02:34:23,880 --> 02:34:24,880
 Okay.

2429
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:25,880
 Thank you.

2430
02:34:25,880 --> 02:34:26,880
 Thank you very much.

2431
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:27,880
 We may have more later.

2432
02:34:27,880 --> 02:34:28,880
 Absolutely.

2433
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:29,880
 And as I said, the applicant is here.

2434
02:34:29,880 --> 02:34:30,880
 Yeah.

2435
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:31,880
 I do have a card here from Brian Bridgewater.

2436
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:35,720
 I don't know if you have a presentation or if you just want to answer some questions.

2437
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:38,600
 So I'll let you come up here and tell us.

2438
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:39,600
 Hi.

2439
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:40,600
 Hi, Ellen.

2440
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:44,240
 I'm the civil engineer, represent the multi-family developer, so I've been working on this for

2441
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:46,880
 as long as Sean has.

2442
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,440
 Really Sean did a fantastic job.

2443
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:51,920
 We've been working with him diligently, dotting all of our I's, crossing all of our T's.

2444
02:34:51,920 --> 02:35:00,720
 It sounds like there was one little item with the pork chop at the AIM locus, so we just,

2445
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:04,800
 that layer got turned on, so we'll delete that, but we've been working heavily with

2446
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:10,440
 planning and engineering, so we've submitted our engineering plans, but in short, you know,

2447
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:13,640
 we figured since we're reducing units, you know, we didn't do a neighborhood outreach

2448
02:35:13,640 --> 02:35:19,720
 because we're providing more amenities, but the fundamental SUP, what got approved before,

2449
02:35:19,720 --> 02:35:24,600
 it's fundamentally the same, but just some reductions in units, so we didn't expect too

2450
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:26,760
 much pushback on that, so.

2451
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:27,760
 Yeah.

2452
02:35:27,760 --> 02:35:29,880
 Your public outreach was for the original SUP, right?

2453
02:35:29,880 --> 02:35:31,240
 You didn't do it for these changes.

2454
02:35:31,240 --> 02:35:35,640
 Yes, ma'am, on the original, we had, I believe, two neighborhood meetings, we really helped

2455
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:40,120
 them understand what the development was about, so we spent a lot of time and effort in that.

2456
02:35:40,120 --> 02:35:41,120
 Okay.

2457
02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:42,840
 Sean, did you have something to add or?

2458
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:47,760
 No, actually, you guys did hold a follow-up meeting.

2459
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:48,760
 Oh, we did?

2460
02:35:48,760 --> 02:35:49,760
 Okay.

2461
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:52,480
 A lot of time has passed on this project.

2462
02:35:52,480 --> 02:35:55,920
 Okay, my apologies.

2463
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:57,920
 You apparently were not at that meeting.

2464
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,560
 You know what, I don't remember what I did last night, so.

2465
02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:02,560
 Very good.

2466
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:03,560
 Okay.

2467
02:36:03,560 --> 02:36:07,520
 Other than that, I'm here, also a representative from Landmark is here.

2468
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:12,720
 He's their local construction manager, so he's been with Landmark for a few years, so

2469
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:15,840
 the developer's here as well if you have any questions for either of us.

2470
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:24,240
 I know I had a question with regard to that AEM intersection, so it's working now to where

2471
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:30,440
 we just, it's all directions, in and out, I mean, yes.

2472
02:36:30,440 --> 02:36:34,240
 So on the west side of Locust, you're correct.

2473
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:38,400
 It's a full access drive there.

2474
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:43,240
 We have gone back and forth with the city and TextDOT, I know the city has transitioned

2475
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:47,880
 staff a couple of times on us through this, TextDOT's been looking at the loop improvement,

2476
02:36:47,880 --> 02:36:53,880
 so we've tried to put everything there, we've done all sorts of analysis, but I think the

2477
02:36:53,880 --> 02:37:01,180
 consensus, so the consensus from city staff and TextDOT was just to remove the pork chop,

2478
02:37:01,180 --> 02:37:05,120
 you know, that would restrict access and make it a full access, but, you know, we are still

2479
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:09,960
 proposing the signalized intersection down at Locust and Beale.

2480
02:37:09,960 --> 02:37:15,840
 Okay, so you talk about the AEM drive on the west side, which is not your development,

2481
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:18,520
 so on your development side.

2482
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:19,520
 Correct.

2483
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:24,440
 So that traffic is always on that, correct?

2484
02:37:24,440 --> 02:37:30,020
 Yeah, that'll be a full access point, so we'll match up across Locust with AEM and we'll

2485
02:37:30,020 --> 02:37:35,800
 have full access and there's been discussions about the city taking over that TextDOT, I'm

2486
02:37:35,800 --> 02:37:41,240
 not privy to all that, but I think there's so many moving parts there, you know, we're

2487
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:45,840
 here to accommodate, but it sounded like the safest route was just to make it a full access

2488
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:50,120
 and eventually as the city and/or TextDOT figures out what they want to do there, they'll

2489
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:52,760
 make modifications accordingly, but that's...

2490
02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:55,400
 Yeah, traffic would go at Beale.

2491
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:56,400
 Yes, ma'am.

2492
02:37:56,400 --> 02:37:59,600
 Would that be prior to, or at the same time of development?

2493
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:00,600
 Do you know?

2494
02:38:00,600 --> 02:38:04,560
 Yes, that would be with phase one of the development, so right now we are working on construction

2495
02:38:04,560 --> 02:38:09,280
 drawings for the southern portion of the development, so this is actually a two-phase development,

2496
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:15,520
 so the signal as well as the majority of the, what I'll call the spline road that's along

2497
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:20,440
 the west side, the multifamily and surrounds the commercial tracks, that's gonna go in

2498
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:21,440
 as well.

2499
02:38:21,440 --> 02:38:25,280
 So we're putting the bulk of the infrastructure in with phase one.

2500
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:31,920
 And then that, you're not anticipating an issue with AEM Drive being so close to that

2501
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:36,360
 traffic light and how that's gonna work at times?

2502
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:40,000
 It's, I mean, it's not ideal.

2503
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:44,480
 It's one of those circumstances when the development went in on the west side, that's really what

2504
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:46,640
 constrained us.

2505
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:50,960
 We looked at different options since there's no frontage road along the loop that we're

2506
02:38:50,960 --> 02:38:57,000
 allowed to connect to and we can't get down to Hercules, and the residents, they were

2507
02:38:57,000 --> 02:38:59,120
 real vocal about not having access.

2508
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:00,120
 Absolutely, yeah.

2509
02:39:00,120 --> 02:39:03,120
 It was really the only solution that was left.

2510
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:04,160
 Okay, yeah.

2511
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:06,760
 Not ideal, I guess, but yeah.

2512
02:39:06,760 --> 02:39:07,760
 Okay.

2513
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:09,880
 Commissioner Villarreal, thank you for answering my question.

2514
02:39:09,880 --> 02:39:12,160
 Thank you, Chair, and thank you for that answer.

2515
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,520
 This may be a question for the developer.

2516
02:39:14,520 --> 02:39:18,280
 Were you at that meeting with the dozen community members attended?

2517
02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:19,280
 I wasn't.

2518
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:20,280
 We had a consultant there.

2519
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:21,280
 I'm vice president of construction.

2520
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:26,280
 I'm usually here for more nuts and bolts.

2521
02:39:26,280 --> 02:39:27,280
 Okay.

2522
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:32,920
 And I was there for, I know at least one of them, sounds like I missed one, but we had

2523
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:36,960
 a consultant, Trey Jacobson, did a fantastic job, did a presentation.

2524
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:43,720
 He also presented to PNZ and council the same presentation, but we talked with the residents,

2525
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:45,200
 helped them really understand.

2526
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:50,140
 We helped them understand what the previous zoning was and helped, and it was basically

2527
02:39:50,140 --> 02:39:56,480
 almost 36 acres of full commercial, so we tried to help them understand what that impact

2528
02:39:56,480 --> 02:39:59,920
 would be versus doing kind of a mixed use development and how that would actually benefit

2529
02:39:59,920 --> 02:40:00,920
 traffic.

2530
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:06,600
 So multifamily is controversial always, but we tried to help them understand what could

2531
02:40:06,600 --> 02:40:10,360
 be done and how this was arguably a better product.

2532
02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:11,360
 Sure.

2533
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:14,840
 And do we have, do y'all have anyone you can reach out to to get some insight about the

2534
02:40:14,840 --> 02:40:15,840
 most recent?

2535
02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:18,960
 I'm actually going to help you with that right now.

2536
02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:24,040
 There was an email that was shared with us that came from Trey Jacobson's, who they're

2537
02:40:24,040 --> 02:40:29,960
 talking about, who was at the meeting, and he had sent it to Sean when Sean asked how

2538
02:40:29,960 --> 02:40:36,040
 that meeting went, and Mr. Trey Jacobson said, "Everybody understands the need to move the

2539
02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:41,560
 boundaries and is happy the project is essentially staying the same, everyone happy."

2540
02:40:41,560 --> 02:40:47,920
 So that was his feedback from that latest meeting with regard to these changes.

2541
02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:48,920
 Gotcha.

2542
02:40:48,920 --> 02:40:53,440
 And do you know if they had a chance to reach out to the folks who sent letters of opposition

2543
02:40:53,440 --> 02:40:54,440
 in?

2544
02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:55,680
 We have not done that.

2545
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:56,680
 Okay.

2546
02:40:56,680 --> 02:40:57,680
 Thank you.

2547
02:40:57,680 --> 02:40:58,680
 Thank you.

2548
02:40:58,680 --> 02:41:00,080
 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

2549
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:01,080
 Thank you, Chair.

2550
02:41:01,080 --> 02:41:05,160
 I'm not sure who is the better answerer of this, but you made the mistake of bringing

2551
02:41:05,160 --> 02:41:08,040
 a wide team.

2552
02:41:08,040 --> 02:41:12,280
 I never turn down the opportunity to ask someone who understands construction math and how

2553
02:41:12,280 --> 02:41:17,280
 these sites are laid out.

2554
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:22,480
 Understand the current application, that's great, and this is not directed toward exactly

2555
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:26,240
 what you're going to build in the remainder of the site at all.

2556
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:33,680
 But if it was the desire of the city to see these types of multifamily adjacent commercial

2557
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:39,600
 projects to be built in a way where they would create the building such that they could be

2558
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:44,080
 economically successful with frontage to this freeway and that sort of thing, but also have

2559
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:51,720
 an inviting entrance from the adjacent multifamily so that it doesn't look like a blank wall,

2560
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:56,280
 what have you seen create a situation where that's desirable?

2561
02:41:56,280 --> 02:41:58,520
 Is there anything we do that makes that hard, in other words?

2562
02:41:58,520 --> 02:42:02,280
 No, I don't think so, and I think a lot of that comes from our architecture.

2563
02:42:02,280 --> 02:42:04,160
 Sir, can you come to the mic?

2564
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:05,160
 Yeah, I'm sorry.

2565
02:42:05,160 --> 02:42:06,160
 Thank you.

2566
02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:07,160
 Thank you.

2567
02:42:07,160 --> 02:42:08,160
 It's a good question.

2568
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:11,280
 I think our architect comes in and understands the environment that we're in, and we try

2569
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:13,640
 to blend into that environment the best we can.

2570
02:42:13,640 --> 02:42:17,400
 We've got several different architects, we're using Eichmeyer on this one.

2571
02:42:17,400 --> 02:42:22,400
 He's a very solid architect, and I'm sure he's very familiar with the area, but the

2572
02:42:22,400 --> 02:42:26,040
 projects we've got around the Metro projects right now, I don't think we have any of those

2573
02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:27,040
 problems.

2574
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:28,040
 Okay.

2575
02:42:28,040 --> 02:42:29,040
 Thank you.

2576
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:30,040
 Thank you.

2577
02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:35,680
 Any other questions for the developer at this time, or the applicant at this time?

2578
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:36,680
 Okay.

2579
02:42:36,680 --> 02:42:37,680
 Thank you very much.

2580
02:42:37,680 --> 02:42:38,680
 Thank you.

2581
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:39,680
 Appreciate that.

2582
02:42:39,680 --> 02:42:40,680
 This is a public hearing.

2583
02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:43,480
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but is there anyone wishing to speak?

2584
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:48,200
 Yep, come on down.

2585
02:42:48,200 --> 02:42:52,800
 Hi there.

2586
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:56,600
 Yes, you can bring that down.

2587
02:42:56,600 --> 02:42:57,600
 I'm going to have to move this away.

2588
02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:58,600
 If you'll state your name, your time.

2589
02:42:58,600 --> 02:42:59,600
 Hi.

2590
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:00,600
 Yes.

2591
02:43:00,600 --> 02:43:03,600
 Gail Sulek, North Lakes Neighborhood in Denton.

2592
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:09,840
 My only comment, I don't know the details of this particular project, but I do have

2593
02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:15,760
 major concerns about not reaching back to the neighborhood and the people who opposed,

2594
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:21,080
 knowing why they opposed, and now to have an addendum to this project when the original

2595
02:43:21,080 --> 02:43:26,360
 people who were reviewing it now have no idea that this addendum is going on.

2596
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:28,960
 So that's my concern.

2597
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:35,680
 I think that you need to go back to the people and find out why they opposed and how this

2598
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:40,040
 potentially could or could not impact their original comments.

2599
02:43:40,040 --> 02:43:41,040
 That's all.

2600
02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:42,040
 Thank you.

2601
02:43:42,040 --> 02:43:44,280
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

2602
02:43:44,280 --> 02:43:45,360
 This is a public hearing.

2603
02:43:45,360 --> 02:43:47,840
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

2604
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:53,760
 Okay, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor

2605
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:57,040
 for a motion or discussion.

2606
02:43:57,040 --> 02:44:08,800
 I think what I'll just add to what this is confusing, and I know what it is to the public,

2607
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:17,360
 being that this is an already approved SUP that we had a public hearing for before, and

2608
02:44:17,360 --> 02:44:21,940
 when you go back and watch it, there was significant public engagement then.

2609
02:44:21,940 --> 02:44:25,920
 There were quite a few people who came out to speak then.

2610
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:29,160
 I re-watched the video.

2611
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:35,120
 Most were in support, even one saying, "This is the highest and best use of this land that

2612
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:41,680
 is right behind the neighborhood," and it is a very nice transition, honestly, for this

2613
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:47,920
 big piece of property to go from the subdivision to the multifamily to the commercial that

2614
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:50,700
 is eventually going to be on the corner.

2615
02:44:50,700 --> 02:44:56,480
 I think this, unfortunately, just offers some confusion out there as to what this really

2616
02:44:56,480 --> 02:44:57,980
 is.

2617
02:44:57,980 --> 02:45:06,120
 For me, personally, what I see is pretty minor things to the original plan.

2618
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:10,480
 In work session, I asked Sean what were those key elements that were discussed the first

2619
02:45:10,480 --> 02:45:14,500
 time around, and all of those key elements are intact.

2620
02:45:14,500 --> 02:45:18,080
 Those are not being touched at all.

2621
02:45:18,080 --> 02:45:25,480
 What I see here is changes being made so that that commercial property can get deeper, and

2622
02:45:25,480 --> 02:45:31,560
 the reconfiguration of the original SUP, which is why it's before us today.

2623
02:45:31,560 --> 02:45:32,960
 It's not a brand new request.

2624
02:45:32,960 --> 02:45:36,380
 It's not new things that weren't discussed previously.

2625
02:45:36,380 --> 02:45:42,000
 All of those key elements, again, that were for neighborhood protections are still there.

2626
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:47,060
 I'll offer those as my two cents, in my opinion.

2627
02:45:47,060 --> 02:45:54,700
 Is there any other discussion that anyone wanted to offer or a motion?

2628
02:45:54,700 --> 02:45:55,700
 Commissioner Cole?

2629
02:45:55,700 --> 02:45:58,360
 I make a motion to approve.

2630
02:45:58,360 --> 02:45:59,360
 Okay.

2631
02:45:59,360 --> 02:46:00,360
 Commissioner Pruitt?

2632
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:01,360
 Second.

2633
02:46:01,360 --> 02:46:02,360
 Okay.

2634
02:46:02,360 --> 02:46:03,840
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

2635
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:05,520
 Is there any further discussion?

2636
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:06,520
 Commissioner Villarreal?

2637
02:46:06,520 --> 02:46:10,840
 Thank you, Chair, and thank you all for coming here today and for the presentation.

2638
02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:15,840
 I'm expecting this to pass, but I do have some concerns with the lack of insight to

2639
02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:20,240
 that community meeting and with the lack of outreach to the folks who reached out for

2640
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:21,240
 the ASUP.

2641
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:25,120
 I know there was a lot of outreach during the SUP process in November.

2642
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:26,720
 I went back and watched the meeting, too.

2643
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:33,560
 I voted for the original SUP, but the lack of public engagement this time around trying

2644
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:37,600
 to figure out what those issues were, that's a concern to me.

2645
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:38,600
 Thank you.

2646
02:46:38,600 --> 02:46:39,600
 Thank you.

2647
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:40,600
 Any other discussion?

2648
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:41,600
 Okay.

2649
02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:51,320
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

2650
02:46:51,320 --> 02:46:53,640
 That motion will carry 5-1.

2651
02:46:53,640 --> 02:47:00,520
 That will take us to our planning and zoning matrix, and I will turn it over to Haley.

2652
02:47:00,520 --> 02:47:01,520
 Good evening.

2653
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:04,700
 I don't believe we had any changes on the matrix.

2654
02:47:04,700 --> 02:47:11,040
 Just to report on recent council actions that relate to P&Z items, as you all have probably

2655
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:14,240
 seen, short-term rentals has been postponed to September 24th.

2656
02:47:14,240 --> 02:47:19,080
 We are doing additional outreach regarding that since there was a tie vote at council

2657
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:23,160
 to ensure that we meet all notice requirements, so that will be back as a public hearing on

2658
02:47:23,160 --> 02:47:25,640
 September 24th.

2659
02:47:25,640 --> 02:47:30,160
 The P&Z reconsideration process, that code amendment, did pass 4-3 at the last council

2660
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:35,640
 meeting, so that will be in the books for you all to utilize moving forward.

2661
02:47:35,640 --> 02:47:37,560
 And then we did have one zoning change.

2662
02:47:37,560 --> 02:47:42,640
 If you recall, the change from rural residential to light industrial on the south side of university

2663
02:47:42,640 --> 02:47:47,800
 that was adjacent to the newly approved SUP for an equipment rental facility, that was

2664
02:47:47,800 --> 02:47:52,240
 approved by council as well at their previous meeting, and those are the only updates I

2665
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:53,240
 have for you all.

2666
02:47:53,240 --> 02:47:54,240
 Okay.

2667
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:58,120
 Haley, with regard to short-term rentals, I mean, that presentation is remaining the

2668
02:47:58,120 --> 02:47:59,120
 same, correct?

2669
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:00,120
 Correct.

2670
02:48:00,120 --> 02:48:01,120
 Okay.

2671
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:02,640
 No changes have been made since it was a tie vote.

2672
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:07,320
 Council procedures call for it to return on each subsequent agenda, but since the public

2673
02:48:07,320 --> 02:48:11,920
 hearing has had such a long process, we did determine the safest course of action was

2674
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:15,720
 to re-notice for a public hearing and make sure everyone that could be affected by the

2675
02:48:15,720 --> 02:48:20,720
 zoning change and the use changes in our residential districts would receive additional opportunity

2676
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:21,720
 to come out.

2677
02:48:21,720 --> 02:48:22,720
 Which is why it was pushed out.

2678
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:23,720
 Okay.

2679
02:48:23,720 --> 02:48:24,720
 Commissioner Thacker.

2680
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:25,720
 Oh, I'm sorry.

2681
02:48:25,720 --> 02:48:26,720
 Thank you, Chair.

2682
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:27,720
 I'm sorry.

2683
02:48:27,720 --> 02:48:29,680
 I just didn't hear you completely what you just said in regards to the owners.

2684
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:30,680
 Sure.

2685
02:48:30,680 --> 02:48:35,100
 So we are in an effort to make sure everyone is noticed properly, re-noticing citywide

2686
02:48:35,100 --> 02:48:41,200
 to all zoning districts that would have a short-term rental use allowed in that zoning

2687
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:42,200
 district.

2688
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:46,560
 So those notices will be going out for a new public hearing on the 24th, at which time hopefully

2689
02:48:46,560 --> 02:48:50,840
 we have a full council to reach a non-tie vote on the item.

2690
02:48:50,840 --> 02:48:51,840
 Right.

2691
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:55,880
 And what has been the outreach from some of those owners?

2692
02:48:55,880 --> 02:49:02,840
 I know that I personally get airfuls and questions from owners asking, I mean, these are really

2693
02:49:02,840 --> 02:49:06,240
 bright people, some of them who've served on council and served on P&Z before that are

2694
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:10,880
 trying to make sure that they understand if they are grandfathered, if they're not, if

2695
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:14,440
 it's based off of purchase, if it's based off of when they registered it.

2696
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:15,440
 Yes.

2697
02:49:15,440 --> 02:49:20,640
 So Angie is the case manager on that, has spoken to countless people, anyone that reaches

2698
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:23,600
 out to her, she's happy to sit down and talk to them about it.

2699
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:29,000
 We did have a, following the first council meeting regarding this, we had a meeting with

2700
02:49:29,000 --> 02:49:33,480
 the real estate community and any citizens, we opened it up to anyone that wanted to attend

2701
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:35,600
 and had several residents there as well.

2702
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:39,760
 So we've had multiple town hall events trying to get the word out.

2703
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:43,360
 So if anyone that you know of does have questions, feel free to send them our way and we're happy

2704
02:49:43,360 --> 02:49:44,920
 to sit down and talk with them.

2705
02:49:44,920 --> 02:49:48,560
 Yeah, that would be ideal.

2706
02:49:48,560 --> 02:49:51,160
 Anything for the matrix?

2707
02:49:51,160 --> 02:49:54,320
 I've got a couple of things.

2708
02:49:54,320 --> 02:50:00,220
 This is probably not for the matrix, but maybe for as a staff item.

2709
02:50:00,220 --> 02:50:08,480
 When we have things, things like we had tonight in this previously approved SUP and we have

2710
02:50:08,480 --> 02:50:16,040
 a meeting, could we maybe link the video in the backup or if not that, at least mention

2711
02:50:16,040 --> 02:50:17,040
 it?

2712
02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:22,880
 It's super helpful, especially to be able to go back and rewatch that and that date sometimes

2713
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:26,920
 might get lost in the backup of when one can go access that.

2714
02:50:26,920 --> 02:50:31,560
 So I don't know if that's something that can be done or how easily it could be done, but

2715
02:50:31,560 --> 02:50:35,280
 I think it's super important on issues like this.

2716
02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:43,360
 So anything I think that we've had a past public meeting that we're rehashing, if that

2717
02:50:43,360 --> 02:50:47,200
 is not too much trouble for that video of that meeting to be linked in there, I think

2718
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:51,560
 that would be very helpful to any PNZs going forward.

2719
02:50:51,560 --> 02:50:52,960
 We should easily be able to do that.

2720
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:57,000
 And then the other thing I had, and I'm not sure exactly date-wise when this would make

2721
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:05,120
 sense, but we had an awful lot of discussion with Gary tonight or he offered a lot of insight.

2722
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:11,760
 Could we maybe get an update to that aquatics plan and that senior center and whenever it's

2723
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:12,760
 appropriate?

2724
02:51:12,760 --> 02:51:17,440
 Obviously they're in the throes of it is what it seems like, so down the road.

2725
02:51:17,440 --> 02:51:25,920
 But I know it's been a bit, I think, since Gary has talked to us and given us an update.

2726
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:29,160
 Maybe the Parks Master Plan or Trails Master Plan was the last time we had Gary on PNZ.

2727
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:30,160
 I think that is right.

2728
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:31,720
 We can reach out and try to coordinate that with that.

2729
02:51:31,720 --> 02:51:32,720
 That'd be great.

2730
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:33,720
 Thank you.

2731
02:51:33,720 --> 02:51:34,720
 Commissioner Improved.

2732
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:35,720
 Thank you, Chair.

2733
02:51:35,720 --> 02:51:39,880
 Yeah, I just, especially since you asked about links to previous things, I really appreciate

2734
02:51:39,880 --> 02:51:45,000
 the tabular list of the history that has helped me.

2735
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:49,040
 I also, I don't know if this was staffs doing or just Granicus had an upgrade, but I've

2736
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:54,200
 noticed recently that there's some sort of an automated transcript that is searchable

2737
02:51:54,200 --> 02:51:55,520
 within the Granicus system.

2738
02:51:55,520 --> 02:52:00,340
 So if you search for certain text, it will actually give you a portion of a video where

2739
02:52:00,340 --> 02:52:01,340
 people said that.

2740
02:52:01,340 --> 02:52:03,720
 So it's, I found that helpful recently.

2741
02:52:03,720 --> 02:52:05,640
 So thank you if there's thanks due.

2742
02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:06,640
 That is.

2743
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:07,640
 Thank you.

2744
02:52:07,640 --> 02:52:10,040
 Okay, nothing else for the matrix?

2745
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:11,520
 Concluding items?

2746
02:52:11,520 --> 02:52:13,600
 Okay.

2747
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,680
 With that, I'll go ahead and adjourn us at 8, 19 PM.

2748
02:52:16,680 --> 02:52:17,560
 Thank you very much, everyone.