Aug 08, 2024 Charter Review Committee on 2024-08-08 5:30 PM

[ Inaudible Remarks ] >> All right, everybody. We've seen that we have a quorum. I will now call the regular meeting of the Charter Review Committee to order at 530-222-PM. And first, we will receive comments from the public. If there's anybody present, I don't see anyone present. Is there anyone -- anybody know anybody? So there's being none. We're going to move on to the next item number. Chrissy, do you want me to call out the item numbers? >> Yes, please. >> All right. So the first item of consideration was CRC24-010, which is receiving comments from members of the public. And if there's not anybody here, any public people present, we're going to move on to the next agenda item. And that is item B, number CRC24-005. And this is considering approval of the minutes of the July 25th Charter Review Committee. Has everybody had the opportunity to review the minutes from that meeting? Okay. Do I have a motion to approve those minutes? >> I move. >> Do we have a -- okay. So Jesse Davis has made a motion. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Leslie Molina-Porter. Okay. Leslie -- sorry. Leslie Molina-Porter. He makes the second. I think she beat you up. And so those are some moved. Do we have any discussion on those minutes? I think we will take a vote. All those in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Any opposed? The motion passes. The ayes have it. We'll move on to item C, number CRC24-007. And this is -- we are going to receive nominations and hold another election for chair. And I think this time we'll take nominations -- all the nominations first. And then we'll take the seconds. And then we'll have individual votes if I understand the process. All right. Mr. Davis. >> I'm going to nominate Michelle Jones for chair. >> Mr. -- >> Sorry. >> I'm going to start with James. >> Yes. I'd like to nominate Christine Bray. >> Okay. Any other -- okay. Mr. Weaver. Okay. Are there any other nominations? So we have three nominations. Mr. Davis nominated Michelle Jones. Mr. Mungicuera. >> Mungicuera. Either one is fine. >> Mungicuera has nominated Christine Bray. And Mr. Weaver has nominated Jesse Davis. All right. So now we'll take a second on Mr. Davis' nomination of me. Any second? >> I'll second it. >> All right. >> Mr. Davis. >> Brian Danholt. >> Has made a second. >> Okay. I need a second for Mr. Mungicuera. >> I second Christine Bray's nomination. >> Angela Brewer. >> Angela Brewer. >> Isma. >> Isma has seconded Christine Bray's nomination. And I need a -- there's a second for Mr. Weaver's nomination and Mr. Davis. >> I would like to remove my name from consideration. >> Okay. So -- >> I'll second. >> Okay. All right. So I guess we'll take -- so we'll take a vote. I guess the first vote will be for the nomination for Michelle Jones per chair. All those in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> All right. So that motion fails. So now we're going to have the motion for chair for Christine Bray. And all those in favor, raise your hand. So we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So that motion carries. So do you want the rest of the script? >> I suppose so. >> We are on item. We just finished item C. >> All right. >> Can we get back to the question? >> The ayes for Christine Bray Abbott. Motion passes. Initially motioned by Mr. Montevideo and seconded by Leslie Williams-Ford. We will move on to item D. >> Item D, number CRC24-006. Consider adoption of public e-comments on agenda items. Staff, were there any e-comments? >> There were not. So we haven't adopted them just yet. But you can see as an example on your agenda, there's this section called e-comment that just instructs members of the public who wish to say something regarding one of the agenda items that they can leave an e-comment as opposed to the first 10 minutes of our meeting. We will leave open for any public comment in person that comes. But this is just another tool for virtual comment to be raised to the committee. And any comments that we get will go directly to your city email addresses. And then they'll also be reflected in the minutes of every meeting. So that will only be adopted if the committee so moves. >> All right. Is there any discussion or questions on e-comments? Ms. Remski? >> I think it would be a very good idea. We want citizen input. The city council always comments about wanting a citizen's input. Part of the issue, though, is getting the information out to the people so that they know that they can. In an attempt to -- you know, there are certain people who on a regular basis do go to the city of Denton site to see what upcoming agendas are, what past videos are for reviews that they have missed. And when in order to get a broader background in that, I think it would be beneficial to somewhere in staff would probably have to be the one that can guide us on that. You know, let's have a megaphone work. Hey, citizens, this committee is going on. We need your input. Because it is directing the city's progress going forward and the like. But as I say, I think you have a great idea. >> Mr. Davis? >> Totally agree with Julie's comments about public input. The only thing I'd add just kind of for the commission's benefit is have to be careful in an echo chamber with e-comments. And you have to remember that just because 30 people send you an e-mail doesn't mean that those are the 30 people who care the most about the issue or the best informed and all those kind of things. Those are the 30 people who got an e-mail forwarded to them or happened to look at the website that day or whatever. So you have to really look out for the form responses and all that kind of stuff and just the echo chamber and make sure we're talking to people beyond the power of money submitted. The e-comment is just a very easy, easy thing to do. There's no barrier to entry there. So you just have to kind of keep it in the proper perspective. >> Mr. Munger-Dryer, do you have a comment? >> I guess this would be a question to city staff. Is there a way to, when we're receiving comments from people, like know like maybe what district they're from or like neighborhood or is it all kind of anonymous at their discretion? It would just be helpful to know so we can, for our single member district, we can understand like what people in our area are wanting to see, what they're supporting and what ideas that we have. Just so we can kind of get out of that echo chamber that way we're not just seeing 30 comments coming from one neighborhood in town. We can at least understand like, okay, that's not my district or not my area. >> I do know that they identify themselves with their name. I can check with our city secretary's office to see if they also identify their home address. But typically for public comment in person at council, they're not required to share their address with us. So that might not be something that we have. >> Okay. Sorry, just to follow up on that too, because I've been to school board meetings where that's troubling to me. And in this instance where you have to all the things that have just been said, sometimes the vocal minority who may not even be a resident of this town, and that's problematic. And I'm not asking saying that we should have somebody get up at a spouse, well, this is where I live and my address, but that we are taking that information to make sure that they are a member. And I'm not sure at city council meetings, but for sure at school board meetings, we've had some play on that, which I don't appreciate. So getting up there and quite often has been even a bad actor and then you realize you don't even live in this city. But I see you speaking at each one of these meetings. So I think we should stress that they are documenting and that we are checking we do live in this town. It's highly important. Sorry, I probably should have looked at you to be recognized. I think I just jumped in last time. I apologize. >> Okay. >> Any further? >> Yes. In that same vein, if they -- and I totally agree, I want only citizens to be recognized and heard. Do you keep their addresses confidential so that they're not blasted? We want to make sure that no one can see that if they make a raster. >> Absolutely. >> Actually, if they provide us the address, the address is public. >> So if you request it, then they would provide it and then it would be public. Is there a way to potentially address that? >> The law says that addresses of members of the public are public. Email addresses are not. But if they provide us their actual address, that's public. The law was written during the time of the thumb book. It used to be able to look up people's name and address in the thumb book. That used to be very public. The law never changes. >> Commissioner McClure? >> Can you put a warning on it so that if, you know, they don't want to put that address, they could just put a box or something? Because that way they know what they're actually doing. >> Right. She's going to have to check to see if there's going to be maybe NNAs that say what district are you in or what is your zip code. >> Do you want your address published or want to make comments? >> Commissioner McClure? >> I guess, and I don't want to make cities work any more difficult or ask y'all to make any additional public records. A lot of this, I'm guessing, would populate in like some kind of Excel spreadsheet. Would there be a way to just not, like when you're creating the report for us to review and for the public to review as well, could we just have one that's like stripped that address information away? Understanding that y'all, someone could ultimately request that. But as far as like making it easy, like here's something that if you do want the names and such, like those are there, like someone was really infectious and they wanted to ask for it, they always could. Sometimes people don't want that. They just want the comments. They're not looking for the entire data sheet. >> Absolutely. So this is already a mechanism in place for council meetings and for other committee meetings where they can go click, you know, where the little portal says agenda minutes e-comment. And then those, as far as a spreadsheet, I assume that the city secretary's office gets those comments. But they really are just, they go straight to your inbox, which would be open to public information requests if that happened. So that would be public information. But I can say in reporting those e-comments in our minutes, I can ensure that no identifying information address is included in that. And I can take that on. >> Commissioner Jones? >> I just want to make sure, what does the law say has to be public or how is it made public upon a public information request or that's where it's public, not public? >> We don't just have it out there, but if someone was making public information, then we have the information we have to provide. But it wouldn't just be readily available to someone on the website or to all of us. >> Right. We may not have a screen on the website, but if they request it, it's going to be public. We're going to be able to get that information if they make a public information request. >> Commissioner McClure? >> We had a box that says, are you registered holder or not for city of Denton? >> By the way, you know, there's a citizen of Denton and they're registered for both. >> That could be there, but previously the council removed that requirement to the board of commission members because they wanted anyone who was a resident of the city to be able to participate. So adding that box would probably be not what the council has requested at this point. So I think we can say whatever we want to say to give to the council. You know, they're asking when you get on board, you're asking if it goes to city council and they put down for both, you're asking people to vote. So they've got to be registered to vote. So that's just my point. >> Any further discussion or does somebody want to put forth a motion? >> I'd like to put forth a motion that we do use e-commons following the same guidelines that are used for other meetings and that's the city council and boards and other commissions. I also would like to suggest that as a means for doing that, to get greater participation, that a mechanism be devised so that more people know that such a process is doable. >> Second. >> Yeah, I'll second that. 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>> You can see that I can find on that. >> It's going to have 3,000 homes, but it doesn't happen overnight, so. >> Commissioner Dahan? >> When we get data, we've all kind of been skirting around, I guess, about the demographics of every district and all those kind of things, just so it's out on the table. >> Yes. >> I know everyone's got their opinions. I'd like to see the numbers. >> It might help to see some of that at the precinct level, like if there's a way we can see, like, just based off of voting precincts, just because of some of the neatest, I guess, tiniest geographic locations that are supposed to be sort of communities of interest. Maybe we could just see, like, if they're able to do that, like, GIS, I don't know, from like 2010 to 2020 or 2020 to now, like, at the precinct level, that we can just see kind of on a huge map where a lot of the growth is happening, I think that would kind of illuminate a lot of what we're talking about, see whether the growth is more uniform or if it's more localized. >> Okay. >> Thank you, sir. >> Commissioner Jones? >> I'd like to see the zoning projections, or what is zoned for our ranch, what their PV allows, what sort of multifamilies in there, what their current mixture is. >> Can we also get, I don't know if you have to consult legal or outside counsel on this, but could we get an idea of whether or not increasing the number of single member seats to six or eight, respectively, whether or not those create opportunities to create new voting rights act opportunity districts? >> I think that would be something that our outside counsel would weigh in on. >> Okay. >> I'll see what I can find. >> Okay. >> I believe that economic development has more detailed population growth statistics, the ones you presented at 2023, they have ones that run out until 2030 or 2040, we see those presented at the next meeting. >> Yeah, I'll see if I can get those. >> Following along with that huge question a moment ago, if it's helpful, I know this is a cost item for the city, but if it's helpful for outside counsel to report on some of this, so opportunity districts, other people might look at that as a packed district, you really have to look at both sides of how those districts are growing. So if we start pulling that thread, I'd really rather have outside counsel here to answer those questions than just us speculating on what that answer might be later after we've made a decision. >> Any other questions? All right. Oh, Christina, I'm sorry. >> Sorry. >> I don't know if this would be, this is really like a staff question per se, but I was interested to know if it would be possible to get a Zoom option for the next meeting. I'm going to be out of town, but I can be available to Zoom in if that's a possibility. I know there might be some other people out of town, too, since we're still in the summer months before we're having our vacations. >> Yeah, that is a question that's come up with our other commission member who wasn't able to attend tonight. So the city currently uses, utilizes an outside resource to livestream all of our committee meetings, and unfortunately the product that they've provided us does not include virtual attendance through the livestream system. I will say to hopefully assuage anyone's anxieties or guilt in not being here for a meeting or two, that everything will have to be approved by a full majority of the committee, which is eight people, whether the full committee is here or not. And then I also have excused absence forms that you can fill out if you're not able to be here, but at this time we are, unfortunately all of our committees have to run in person. I didn't know, or maybe I just had forgotten about the majority of the total appointed members, not just the people. >> Yeah, yeah, so I'm hoping that I wanted to, yeah, thank you for bringing those. >> I just didn't want to deprive my voice, should it have been something that had I been there, perhaps I would have moved along. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> All right, I'm going to move on to concluding items. Does the committee have any other business to discuss? I'm just messing with you. I knew you'd love to see that. >> Can I just say one thing? Julie, I loved you going off earlier. You weren't raising your voice. I love to hear your perspective. I just wanted to say that earlier, but I love that. So I just wanted to say that. That's all. >> If there's no other business, I will now adjourn the meeting at 708 PM. at 7.08 p.m.