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 >> I do not have any blue cards in my possession, ma'am.

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 >> All right, we are going to call the meeting

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 to order of insert point commission.

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 It is a regular session meeting.

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 It is Monday, August the 12th, 2024.

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 I have the time at 5.31 p.m. If you will please join me

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 in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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 Honor of the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee,

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 Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.

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 >> All right, we do have a quorum present,

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 and so at this point we have a presentation

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 So no? Okay, no one to speak.

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 I'm moving on one.

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 All right, item three for consideration.

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 We have item 3A, number HLC 24-0035 on our agenda is

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 to consider approval of the July 8, 2024 minutes.

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 I hope you all had an opportunity to read those minutes.

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 Are there any corrections that you know of?

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 please raise your hand and say aye.

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 >> Any opposed, same song?

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 All right, moving on, item 3B, number HL 2-Core-0002

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 on our agenda is to hold a public meeting

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 and consider making a recommendation to the Planning

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 and Zoning Commission and the City Council regarding an

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 application for a historic landmark designation in

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 accordance with section 2.9.4 of the DIT and Development Code

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 for the property located at 1526 Willowwood Street.

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 The property is located on the north side of Willowwood Street

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 between Kendall Drive and McCormick Street.

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 So we will hear from Cameron.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 So as stated, this is HL 2-Core-0002.

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 The property is 1526 Willowwood Street.

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 It is located on the north side of Willowwood Street

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 between Kendall Drive and McCormick Street.

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 The owners are Jennifer Lane and James Carr.

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 The construction date is circa 1978.

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 So before I move on, just wanted to share with you all.

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 the property does not have to be 50 years old.

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 So the property can be less than 50 years old

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 if it is worthy of designation.

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 So I just want to preface that before I move on.

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 So the building's history.

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 It was originally constructed for Mr. James J.

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 and Judith H. Bellman.

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 It is that contemporary style.

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 The architects were based out of Houston, Texas.

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 They are Anderson and Wilson architects.

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 The contractor was Neil J. Adams.

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 He was based in Denton, and there has been five owners

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 since 1978.

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 So today's request is for a historic landmark designation.

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 It is located in the Denia neighborhood.

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 It is zoned currently R3 zoning and has

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 And it is located on approximately 1.7 acres.

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 So these are just some current photos of the property today.

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 which does have that garage, and then the west facade.

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 and it's highlighted here and outlined in red.

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 So approval criteria 1.

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 really liked the style, and asked

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 by 60-foot wide enclosed front courtyard that we saw here.

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 Nicole Ami, which is now based in Flower Mound.

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 which looks at prioritizing and designating eligible buildings

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 as well as the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan,

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 specifically goal CC2, which is preserve and maintain

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 the unique character of Denton for long-term sustainment.

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 So staff is recommending approval

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 of the request for the historic landmark

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 designation of the property located at 1526 Willowwood

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 Street.

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 As it does, it is consistent with our goals and objectives

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 of the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan

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 and that 2019 Historic Preservation Plan,

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 as well as the sections outlined in 2.9.4B of the Denton

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 Development Code.

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 Thank you so much for any questions.

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 Can you come up here?

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 Their purpose has been changed a little bit

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 but it's still completely intact exactly as it was.

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 My husband would be in love with those studios.

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 Those are his master's degrees in pottery and photography,

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 so he'd be in love there.

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 Funky, artsy, definitely love it.

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 I can think of love it.

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 The exterior is stucco.

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 It's almost two inches thick, actually.

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 repairing a couple of the areas that need repair.

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 they've always just been dumbfounded by it,

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 by the quality of the work, and praised it.

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 trying to find somebody who can measure up

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 to what was done by the Adams Company.

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 for a motion.

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 a motion for a denial, or a motion for a combination.

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 I'll make a motion for approval based

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 on the staff recommendations, and it being fresh.

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 Funky.

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 And I want to thank her for the history that she got.

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 Because even though I lived over there all this time,

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 there were a lot of things that I didn't know.

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 Oh, it was so, so fun to reconnect with the Feldmans,

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 who now live in New Mexico, and to share information back

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 and forth, and to work with UNT Library

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 to find those old articles that are not digitized yet.

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 They had to be found in the magazines themselves.

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 that was just it.

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 And just for your knowledge, the blueprints

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 We took them there last year.

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 I just want to say, I'm glad that they had to be 50 years old.

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 Because when you said 1978, it started to hurt my heart.

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 This is not what I pictured when you said '78, though.

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 You know what I mean.

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 [INTERPOSING VOICES]

265
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 All right.

266
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 We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Treat,

267
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 and a second by Commissioner Adams.

268
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 All in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

269
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 Aye.

270
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 All in favor, OK.

271
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 Unanimous approved.

272
00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:09,220
 Thank you guys very much.

273
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 Thank you very much.

274
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 Thanks, everybody.

275
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 Thank you.

276
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 Yeah, OK.

277
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 We are moving on to the next one.

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 Item 3C, number HL24-00003 on our agenda

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 is to hold a public meeting and consider

280
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 making a recommendation to the Planning and Zoning Commission

281
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 and the City Council regarding an application

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 for a historic land commission designation

283
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 in accordance with Section 2.9.4 of the DIT and Development

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 Code for the property located at 1900 Westridge Street.

285
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 The property is located on the north side of Westridge Street,

286
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 just east of Highland Park Road.

287
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 This is HL24-003.

288
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 Cameron, you have another one for us?

289
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 Yes, I do.

290
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 Exciting times, right?

291
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 [LAUGHTER]

292
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 So thank you, Chair.

293
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 As you stated, the property is at 1900 Westridge Street.

294
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 The owner is Mary Seetmore.

295
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 And the construction date is circa 1970.

296
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 So don't worry.

297
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 [LAUGHTER]

298
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 It was originally constructed for Horace R. and Yulene W.

299
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 Brock.

300
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 The architectural style is contemporary style.

301
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 Yes, it's a little bit different.

302
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 It's just a different kind of take on contemporary style.

303
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 The architects are Mount Miller architects.

304
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 The contractor was Burton Moore.

305
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 And there has been three owners since 1970.

306
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 So today's request, similar to our last request,

307
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 is for a historic landmark designation.

308
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 The property is located in the Demian neighborhood.

309
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 It is zoned R3.

310
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 It has been used for single family residents.

311
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 And it's located on approximately 0.68 acres.

312
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 So these are current photos of the property.

313
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 That front south-facing facade here,

314
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 facing Westridge, that east facade.

315
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 And then the rear, which shows the north and the west facades.

316
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 This is a survey of the property as it is currently.

317
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 So staff's analysis is based off section 2.9.4(b).

318
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 This property meets criteria 4 and 11,

319
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 which I'm going to dive a little bit more into.

320
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 Any questions as of right now?

321
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 So approval criteria 4.

322
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 As I previously stated, it was designed

323
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 by Mount Miller architects, also known as Tom P. Miller

324
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 and Isabelle Mount.

325
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 They had a lot of influence here in Denton.

326
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 They served on lots of boards and civic organizations,

327
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 as well as helped essentially build

328
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 some of that fabric of Denton during the second half

329
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 of the 20th century.

330
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 So over 45 years, when they moved here in 1953,

331
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 so starting in 1954 until 2000, they

332
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 are responsible for designing and remodeling

333
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 close to 300 residents.

334
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 Not only in Denton, but nearby towns as well.

335
00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:12,220
 Some Mount Miller examples that are still standing today

336
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 is the former Denton Fire Station number 4,

337
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 as well as that 531 North Elm Street.

338
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 That is just our neighbor, just right up the street here.

339
00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:23,420
 In addition to the Mount Miller architects,

340
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 it was constructed by Burt Moore.

341
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:28,860
 He's also known as the Den Creek guy.

342
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 You'll see some of his houses throughout.

343
00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:34,340
 Yeah, made out of cement blocks.

344
00:17:34,340 --> 00:17:37,260
 That is most likely built by Burt Moore

345
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 with his Den Creek blocks.

346
00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:44,700
 Moving on to approval criteria 11.

347
00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,340
 Horace and Eileen Brock, they are the original owners,

348
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 as well as helped and worked with Mount Miller architects

349
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 to help design the property.

350
00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:55,700
 So obviously, they had a huge important role

351
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 in the social, economic, ethnic, and historical heritage

352
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 in the city of Denton and Texas.

353
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 They did serve on many boards and commissions,

354
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 including nonprofit organizations.

355
00:18:07,940 --> 00:18:12,740
 Eileen, as we know, served tenure as a city of Denton mayor.

356
00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:14,820
 She also helped found the Denton Christian Women's

357
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 Interracial Fellowship.

358
00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:19,700
 And then Horace, he had a long career

359
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 at University of North Texas.

360
00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:23,940
 He served as the department chair

361
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 within the business school, and then director

362
00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:28,300
 and chief executive roundtable.

363
00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:35,460
 So in addition to the approval criteria,

364
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 staff looked at the 2019 Historic Preservation Plan,

365
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 goal number one, policy 1.3, and then the Denton 2040

366
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 Comprehensive Plan, goal CC-2.

367
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 So staff is recommending approval of the request

368
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 for a historic landmark designation

369
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 of the property located at 1900 Westridge Street,

370
00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,220
 as it is consistent with our Denton 2040,

371
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 as well as our 2019 Historic Preservation Plan goals,

372
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 and does meet section 2.9.4B of the Denton development.

373
00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:05,540
 I stand for any questions.

374
00:19:05,540 --> 00:19:06,940
 Mr., do you have any questions?

375
00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:11,100
 Total nerd question.

376
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,940
 So how do you-- what kind of things

377
00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:15,660
 help Din Creek stand out?

378
00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:18,580
 What kind of things do you like to spot it, or--

379
00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:23,500
 Oh, for instance, there's one on Houston Place.

380
00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,100
 Or there's two on Houston Place.

381
00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:27,900
 They're perfect, just cinder block squares.

382
00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:29,980
 And you can-- they're not covered at all.

383
00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:30,980
 They were exposed.

384
00:19:30,980 --> 00:19:33,860
 So it looks like a house just constructed of cinder block.

385
00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:34,500
 Right, right.

386
00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,020
 Yeah.

387
00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:39,820
 I believe that they look like normal cinder blocks you use,

388
00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:41,180
 but they were lighter weight.

389
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:45,980
 So he developed his special formula to make them high

390
00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:48,860
 higher resistance, which I think is a natural property in CMUs,

391
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 but then lighter weight.

392
00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:52,580
 So that's what I know.

393
00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:55,740
 But, Visibly, I don't know that you can tell the difference.

394
00:19:55,740 --> 00:19:57,820
 But, you know--

395
00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:00,220
 And Isabelle especially liked working with him,

396
00:20:00,220 --> 00:20:01,820
 because she had trouble with--

397
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:04,740
 or they, the Millers, had problems

398
00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:08,100
 with some of the actual builders in Denton,

399
00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,980
 because they would see something that they had designed

400
00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:15,060
 and think, I'll do it this way.

401
00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:17,580
 And Isabelle was the one who would go in and say,

402
00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:20,980
 tear it out, do it the way I drew it.

403
00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:21,460
 OK.

404
00:20:21,460 --> 00:20:22,180
 I love it.

405
00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:24,580
 [INTERPOSING VOICES]

406
00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:25,180
 OK.

407
00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:29,340
 We have the RFPs that the Mount Millers developed

408
00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:33,220
 when they sent it out to contractors for award,

409
00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:35,380
 and lots of type controls.

410
00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:38,380
 I mean, it was just fascinating to read through.

411
00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:41,100
 Not just typed up on the typewriter, you know.

412
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,220
 No auto pad, nothing else.

413
00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:45,900
 So it was fascinating to do all the research.

414
00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:49,220
 I think people just assumed that builders

415
00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:53,860
 do what's on the paper, but they didn't always.

416
00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:56,380
 If they saw a simpler way to do what they thought

417
00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:59,540
 was just as good, they would tell me to do it again.

418
00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:03,300
 Isabelle wrote her on them very well.

419
00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:06,580
 She was in there, got on her hands and knees,

420
00:21:06,580 --> 00:21:08,340
 and looked at things and--

421
00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:10,260
 Suffered no fools, as they say.

422
00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:12,740
 Yes.

423
00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:16,700
 So with that said, I'll move approval of this application.

424
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,380
 And I will second.

425
00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:21,580
 Thank you very much.

426
00:21:21,580 --> 00:21:24,420
 Commissioner Adams and Commissioner Treat.

427
00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:25,620
 All right.

428
00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:27,260
 Any other discussion?

429
00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:27,740
 All right.

430
00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:28,660
 We're ready for a vote.

431
00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:32,500
 All in favor of approving the historic designation

432
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:35,260
 for 1900 Westridge Street, please raise your hand

433
00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:35,940
 and say aye.

434
00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:36,460
 Aye.

435
00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:37,100
 Anyone opposed?

436
00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:38,220
 Unanimous again.

437
00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:38,900
 Thank you, guys.

438
00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:43,660
 Thank you for helping preserve some of the history.

439
00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:44,140
 Yes.

440
00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:46,060
 A round of applause for the vote on this.

441
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:48,020
 [APPLAUSE]

442
00:21:48,020 --> 00:21:49,100
 Appreciate that.

443
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:51,700
 It always tickles me when somebody starts digging in,

444
00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:56,500
 and they're like, oh my god, this place has stories.

445
00:21:56,500 --> 00:21:59,620
 I've walked by that house for 20 plus years

446
00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:00,940
 and wanted to buy it.

447
00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:03,820
 [LAUGHTER]

448
00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:06,260
 With the help of a lot of people.

449
00:22:06,260 --> 00:22:08,500
 Well, thank you both for your due diligence

450
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:14,580
 in coming on board of the historic designations.

451
00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:16,220
 All right, we have a work session now.

452
00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:20,500
 Item 4A, number HLC 24-034.

453
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:22,580
 Our agenda is to receive a report

454
00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:26,700
 and hold a discussion regarding the conceptual plan shown

455
00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:30,700
 in the design downtown didn't plan for Quaker Town Park

456
00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:35,420
 and implications for the O'Neill Ford Civic Complex History

457
00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:36,700
 Landmark designation.

458
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:46,780
 Which I will say, I had no idea that the Civic Center did not

459
00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:50,500
 already have that designation.

460
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:51,020
 Wait, what?

461
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:51,500
 What?

462
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:52,660
 Is that what this is?

463
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:53,780
 That it didn't?

464
00:22:53,780 --> 00:22:55,340
 It's the property, right?

465
00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:56,300
 It's designated?

466
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:57,180
 Is that it?

467
00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:58,380
 Yeah.

468
00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:01,340
 Maybe I should wait for the presentation.

469
00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:02,620
 I'm like, wait, hold on.

470
00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:05,020
 [LAUGHTER]

471
00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:06,220
 OK, sorry.

472
00:23:06,220 --> 00:23:08,260
 I just had a full panic moment and got it.

473
00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:11,260
 [LAUGHTER]

474
00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:12,260
 Hold on, wait.

475
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:13,940
 OK, it's not going to--

476
00:23:13,940 --> 00:23:15,420
 OK, perfect.

477
00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:18,100
 OK, hi, everyone.

478
00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:23,500
 OK, so I'm just going to give just a quick background

479
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:28,620
 overview of the design downtown didn't plan.

480
00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:31,220
 And then we're going to jump in and focus primarily

481
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:36,420
 on that Quaker Town discussion and that O'Neill Ford designation.

482
00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:39,220
 So just to provide you all a background,

483
00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:43,060
 this started in June 2023.

484
00:23:43,060 --> 00:23:45,580
 It didn't really launch until July 2023,

485
00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:49,620
 but it's been made up of four different phases.

486
00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:52,380
 The first phase was that Understand phase,

487
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:56,300
 the next phase being Envision, phase three being Act,

488
00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,780
 and then the current phase, which we're in right now,

489
00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:00,380
 is Adopt.

490
00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:07,180
 So this is the general outline boundary of the area plan.

491
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:08,980
 These are not hard boundaries, but when

492
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,780
 it comes to a planning document, you

493
00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:17,820
 do need to have those boundaries just so that we kind of know

494
00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:19,540
 what area we're working at with.

495
00:24:19,540 --> 00:24:22,580
 But just want to preface before we move forward

496
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:25,140
 that these are things that are being proposed

497
00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:28,580
 as part of this plan are going to be beneficial to all

498
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:33,780
 surrounding neighborhoods in the larger Dunn community.

499
00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:36,300
 So public engagement review.

500
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,020
 We have lots of public engagement.

501
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:42,380
 Most of it launched in September of 2023.

502
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,620
 Lots of pop-ups, workshops.

503
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:47,820
 I'm sure-- I feel like I saw a good majority of y'all

504
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,660
 at those workshops.

505
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:52,060
 So the Downtown Visioning Workshop, Quaker Town sessions,

506
00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:53,940
 Feedback Finale.

507
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:57,260
 But you can see from those overall online engagements,

508
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:58,780
 plus the ones that are in person,

509
00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:02,540
 we've had a lot of engagement for this plan.

510
00:25:02,540 --> 00:25:07,300
 Just wanted to show you all the vision statement.

511
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:09,900
 This was approved by the advisory group

512
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,140
 that is working on the Design Downtown Denton plan,

513
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:17,300
 as well as Council Planning and Zoning and Parks Board.

514
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:19,220
 So it is-- Design Downtown Denton

515
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:23,060
 is to be a more walkable, beautiful, and fun destination.

516
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:25,340
 And one of the things that y'all can focus on

517
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:29,180
 is preserve and expand the distinctive local businesses,

518
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:30,980
 foster that strong sense of community,

519
00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:33,620
 and safeguard the historic and artistic character

520
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:37,860
 while promoting growth and development.

521
00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:41,780
 So as part of that public engagement,

522
00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:46,100
 we came-- our staff and working with Mend Collaborative, who

523
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,580
 is the consultant, and getting feedback

524
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:51,300
 from the community and the different boards

525
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:52,580
 and commissions.

526
00:25:52,580 --> 00:25:55,620
 We came up with five, eight community priorities,

527
00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:57,220
 which are focused here.

528
00:25:57,220 --> 00:26:00,260
 And as we kind of go towards Quaker Town Park,

529
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:02,140
 and I just highlight briefly some

530
00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,500
 of the historic preservation strategies

531
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:08,420
 that you all will be integral to,

532
00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:10,980
 these community priorities are being

533
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:13,860
 highlighted as part of those different actions

534
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:15,140
 and recommendation steps.

535
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:20,380
 So these are the overall recommendations.

536
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:24,660
 I've highlighted-- or I've outlined in white the ones

537
00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:26,700
 where you all, as a commission, will

538
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,060
 be very integral, which is 3C, which

539
00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:33,100
 is Strengthen Historic Preservation Opportunities.

540
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,660
 And that is to target development

541
00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:36,700
 to build on downtown's character and assets.

542
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,540
 So that's kind of looking at promotion of tax credits,

543
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:43,140
 creation of conservation districts,

544
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:46,340
 youth shed protection studies for the courthouse

545
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:47,740
 or Morson's Milling.

546
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:52,420
 So those different types of different action steps.

547
00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:55,100
 But also, it would be looking at recommendation

548
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,220
 for F, which is Established Downtown Brand.

549
00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:01,300
 That sounds kind of like, whew, what does that mean?

550
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:03,740
 But that's really looking at wayfinding.

551
00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:07,220
 So one of the things that's being proposed

552
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:11,140
 is historic signage and historic pathways.

553
00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:12,340
 And what do those look like?

554
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:15,860
 So that's where you all will be very needed

555
00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:20,260
 and be an integral part of that.

556
00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:25,300
 So jumping in to build a network and improve public spaces

557
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:30,260
 and jumping into the Quaker Town Park master plan.

558
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:34,140
 That's kind of what I wanted you all to focus and have

559
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:37,020
 this discussion with you all this evening,

560
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:39,540
 is the Quaker Town Park.

561
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:43,580
 And right now, the property is a Disney landmark.

562
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:47,300
 So the property as a whole, is the O'Neill Ford City Complex.

563
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,460
 It was designated in 2017.

564
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:53,820
 And as part of that designation, it includes the structures,

565
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:58,420
 it includes the waterways, it includes the landscaping,

566
00:27:58,420 --> 00:28:01,180
 it includes all those different key pieces

567
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:03,460
 to O'Neill Ford's design.

568
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:06,340
 But as we have heard from the public,

569
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:07,620
 through the public engagement,

570
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:10,340
 and as we're trying to bring this park up

571
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:13,780
 to the 21st century, essentially.

572
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:21,500
 You know, we have tried to see how we can preserve the past,

573
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:25,380
 or how best to preserve and to acknowledge the past,

574
00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:31,060
 especially the story of Quaker Town and that displacement.

575
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:35,540
 But also still recognize the past of O'Neill Ford

576
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:39,060
 and his importance also in Texas and his architectural

577
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:42,460
 movements, but also how does this park move into the future.

578
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:45,700
 So it's really a balancing act between three different things.

579
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,340
 Quaker Town and telling that story for the first,

580
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:51,220
 truly for the first time in the park, O'Neill Ford,

581
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:54,740
 and then what does it look like in the future.

582
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:58,580
 But as stated, the park itself is designated.

583
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:00,580
 So what does that mean?

584
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,340
 You all as a body, any time there's

585
00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:06,420
 something that's coming in for the park,

586
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:10,300
 you all have jurisdiction over what happens.

587
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,780
 As part of the plan, one of the things

588
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:18,140
 that is being proposed as a potential action step

589
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:22,540
 is to amend that designation.

590
00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:26,980
 And what I mean by that is to essentially--

591
00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:29,620
 I'm going to read it out of my AIS

592
00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:31,860
 to make sure I do it clearly, because it

593
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:33,780
 is a little complicated.

594
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:36,100
 But the plan is proposing to revise and clarify

595
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,980
 the local landmark designation of Quaker Town Park

596
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:43,660
 to limit it to the O'Neill Ford design structures and landscape

597
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:45,860
 features that remain intact.

598
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:47,980
 So a lot has changed in the park.

599
00:29:47,980 --> 00:29:50,020
 The pool has had a lot of maintenance updates

600
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:51,820
 over the years.

601
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:56,620
 The senior center is not an original O'Neill Ford design.

602
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:59,860
 It was not part of the original O'Neill Ford complex.

603
00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:02,460
 So part of the features that would

604
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:05,700
 remain intact as part of this new conceptual plan

605
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:10,100
 for the park will be city hall and the courtyard.

606
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:14,980
 So city hall right here in that courtyard.

607
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:18,220
 The civic center right here.

608
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:22,500
 The sunbathing hillside right here

609
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,220
 next to the civic center pool.

610
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:28,660
 Emily Feiler Library, and then the general shape

611
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,340
 of the creek beds themselves.

612
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:34,420
 So I would like for us to have a discussion

613
00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:40,620
 kind of how to see, you know, answer any questions

614
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:43,660
 or concerns that you all may have.

615
00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:48,140
 And then with this recommendation taking place.

616
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:53,380
 So, can I start you?

617
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:53,980
 Questions.

618
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:56,620
 So what's the context of this change?

619
00:30:56,620 --> 00:31:00,260
 What were some of the reasons given for making this change?

620
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:02,180
 Because if I'm understanding it, what this is

621
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:06,700
 is drawing back our kind of input into this

622
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,860
 to only be O'Neill Ford structures.

623
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:10,100
 Am I hearing that correctly?

624
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:10,580
 Yes.

625
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:13,460
 So O'Neill, those landscaping pieces that remain.

626
00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:16,420
 So it would be the creek beds and the hillside

627
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:19,700
 that come in Big Bend hillside that's currently there today.

628
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,020
 And then, yes, those O'Neill Ford structures

629
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:25,580
 that are in place.

630
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:30,500
 Does that exclude then the sculpture that's down there?

631
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,260
 It was also done by Tom and Isabel.

632
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:38,460
 So are you asking, would it preserve that?

633
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:39,540
 Yes.

634
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:41,660
 It would not preserve that, no.

635
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:44,220
 So it would be up to parks decision

636
00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:45,820
 if they wanted to preserve that.

637
00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:49,220
 So because it's the O'Neill Ford civic complex,

638
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:51,140
 it's specifically looking at preserving

639
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:55,660
 what O'Neill Ford had his, I guess, hands in,

640
00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:58,620
 would be a way to say it, or designed.

641
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:00,420
 You did mention the women's club.

642
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,660
 Is that not going to be part of that, or is that--

643
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:05,940
 Den Women's Club is designated as its own landmark,

644
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:07,340
 separate from Quaker Town Park.

645
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:10,020
 So it does have, technically, two layers of protection

646
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:10,980
 right now.

647
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:13,380
 It's within the designation itself.

648
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:17,220
 But it also has its own individual destination.

649
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,100
 So currently, we provided a copy of the ordinance to you all.

650
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:22,300
 It is very broad.

651
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:24,620
 It doesn't provide much specifics.

652
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:28,620
 It just states that the park as a whole is designated.

653
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:32,380
 But it doesn't call out the specifics of what

654
00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:36,620
 needs to be the jurisdiction of HLC or staff.

655
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:40,060
 It's just preserving the property as a whole.

656
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:44,500
 But right now, and currently as a Quaker Town Park

657
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,060
 in remembrance, we just have a sign

658
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:50,980
 that remembers Quaker Town, the community, and then

659
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:52,820
 the signs that were implemented last year

660
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:54,780
 as part of this attorney.

661
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:58,140
 Mr. Tree, did you get your question answered?

662
00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:01,860
 Yes, you did have a separate part of your question, sorry.

663
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:04,220
 The context-- what's the impetus here?

664
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:07,220
 Is this going to input control within the hands of parks

665
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:12,460
 in solely of making decisions about the grounds, the trees,

666
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:16,460
 the other property in the park and around the park?

667
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:18,460
 Yes.

668
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:22,300
 So to preface, once again, this is the Quaker Town

669
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:24,580
 Park master plan.

670
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:28,220
 So this is a conceptual design that

671
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:31,860
 got thousands of people's input, essentially.

672
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:33,740
 It got parks department's input of what

673
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:36,340
 they felt that they were capable of handling.

674
00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:38,420
 It got online input.

675
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:45,340
 It got input from the parks board at different meetings.

676
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:53,980
 So yes, it would give that control to the parks department

677
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:57,700
 with amending the designation.

678
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,300
 Go ahead.

679
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:01,340
 Commissioner Scherfling, if I could add something.

680
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,460
 So Tina Fargan, Deputy Director of Development Services

681
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:04,580
 and Planning Director.

682
00:34:04,580 --> 00:34:06,900
 So right now, as Kim pointed out,

683
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:08,620
 this is the conceptual master plan

684
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:13,180
 that's being proposed as part of the downtown plan update.

685
00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:16,020
 One of the things that we know that we will need to do

686
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:17,740
 in the future is to come back and work

687
00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:20,660
 with the Historic Landmark Commission regarding

688
00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:23,660
 any amendments that may need to be made to the designation

689
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:24,460
 ordinance.

690
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:25,940
 Because of the designation ordinance

691
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:29,020
 being as broad as it was at that time,

692
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:31,660
 that we see value in working with the Historic Landmark

693
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:34,060
 Commission in how we might go about in amending

694
00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:35,940
 that designation in the future and being

695
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:40,300
 able to address some of the finer details of the questions

696
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,980
 that you may have right now.

697
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:44,380
 We wanted to be able to share this plan with you

698
00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:46,900
 so that you can see what's being recommended as part

699
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,660
 of the designed downtown debt and plan.

700
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:51,740
 But knowing that there are subsequent steps

701
00:34:51,740 --> 00:34:54,180
 that we have to take with the Historic Landmark Commission

702
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:56,140
 because of the designation that exists today.

703
00:34:56,140 --> 00:34:59,060
 So I think the whole purpose of the conversation today

704
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:02,020
 was just to introduce this plan to you all so you can see.

705
00:35:02,020 --> 00:35:04,380
 So that if anyone asks you, hey, did you

706
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:07,420
 realize there's a plan in there for Quaker Town Park

707
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:09,620
 that you're familiar with what's being recommended

708
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:10,700
 for improvements with that.

709
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:14,220
 But know that we will need to come back at a later date

710
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:17,060
 as a separate action item to be able to address

711
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:19,060
 the designation.

712
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:21,860
 At that time, I would anticipate that we

713
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:24,500
 would have a much finer conversation

714
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:29,260
 as to what aspects the Historic Landmark Commission would

715
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:33,020
 be reviewing as it relates to any modifications to the park.

716
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:36,540
 Obviously, the structures that exist on the property today,

717
00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:38,940
 I would anticipate that you'll have a role in that,

718
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:40,260
 just like you do today.

719
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:44,060
 But better defining as to where your actions are

720
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:45,620
 going to be, items that would need

721
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:47,980
 to come to the Historic Landmark Commission versus maybe

722
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:50,300
 items that are delegated to the Historic Preservation

723
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,180
 Officer for approval.

724
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:54,060
 The Parks Department still has the ability

725
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:57,300
 to be able to need to utilize that open space.

726
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,940
 So it's how do we utilize that open space?

727
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:02,580
 And then to Cameron's point, still preserving

728
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:05,340
 the events of 100 years ago and acknowledging that aspect,

729
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:08,420
 but then also the O'Neill Ford buildings.

730
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:10,620
 So hopefully that offers a little bit of additional

731
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:14,180
 explanation to possibly address some of your concerns.

732
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:17,020
 We're not looking at peeling back the commission's role

733
00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:19,460
 at this time as it relates to the park.

734
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:21,100
 It would be very much an integral part

735
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,900
 of that conversation at such point in time

736
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:24,700
 when we need to address the designation that

737
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:26,420
 exists on the property.

738
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:28,380
 Thank you for that clarification.

739
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:30,580
 I don't know whether that makes you feel better.

740
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:33,980
 No, I'm thinking probably like you are.

741
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:36,020
 I don't understand, honestly.

742
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:41,020
 My question is, why would we want to basically give that up

743
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:47,460
 when they could still can have a development plan.

744
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:52,220
 It still can proceed with things they want to bring it up

745
00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:55,020
 to 21st century, those types of things.

746
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:58,500
 I just really, we just said on another slide,

747
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,300
 it's about to preserve the downtown plan.

748
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:05,140
 And to me, if we give that up, we're kind of pushed back

749
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,540
 saying we're not preserving anymore.

750
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:12,540
 So I, just off the bat, and I think I'd have to know more,

751
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:16,660
 I wouldn't be forgiving enough, but that's just my thought.

752
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:20,460
 - And we anticipated that.

753
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:24,660
 So that's why one of the things that Cameron

754
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,220
 and I were talking about is that we will definitely

755
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:28,860
 need to come and have that conversation

756
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:31,260
 with the Historic Landmark Commission to understand

757
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:33,980
 what are those items where we feel like the commission

758
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:37,940
 does need to have an essential role in on what improvements

759
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:39,620
 exist on the park site today.

760
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:41,380
 Like I said, I would anticipate that you all

761
00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:43,660
 would still be heavily involved with respect

762
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:46,060
 to the existing structures that are out there

763
00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:49,020
 with some of the key aspects of the past

764
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:53,620
 with that we noted in the, like the waterways,

765
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:56,540
 the sunbathing hillside, those aspects,

766
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:59,500
 because there are gonna be certain items associated

767
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,420
 with the park that have significant linkages to the past

768
00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:04,860
 that the commission may feel much more strongly about

769
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:08,820
 of having involvement and what happens to those items

770
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:12,780
 versus maybe some items where there may be some flexibility

771
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:14,940
 that's granted to the Historic Preservation Officer

772
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:17,540
 for approval of a COA, or there may be some items

773
00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:20,260
 that you define that maybe do not have

774
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:23,500
 a historic significance where there's no review needed.

775
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,620
 But we don't have those answers today yet.

776
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:28,740
 We would need to come back and have a much more thorough,

777
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:31,900
 detailed conversation with the commission based upon,

778
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,180
 in working with Parks Department.

779
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,500
 These are the items that we feel still need to remain

780
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,780
 in your purview.

781
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:38,900
 These are items that we should consider delegating

782
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,180
 to the Historic Preservation Officer.

783
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:43,580
 Here's some items that we feel like may not need

784
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:46,100
 to have a COA addressed within at all,

785
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,020
 but being able to have that conversation

786
00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:51,580
 with the commission where you are providing that direction

787
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:54,340
 to us as we work on that designation amendment.

788
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:57,820
 - I just don't see that different

789
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:59,460
 as what's already in the ordinance

790
00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:02,980
 and why we would need to amend it for those reasons.

791
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:06,540
 That's, I just feel like Quaker Town history,

792
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,940
 that whole area, the history behind it is huge.

793
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:13,620
 - So I need to ask a further clarified question

794
00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:14,740
 if you don't mind, follow up.

795
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:19,740
 So by taking the initiative to directly declare

796
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:25,220
 these buildings as under our purview,

797
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:27,060
 is that somehow strengthening any protections

798
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:29,220
 on those particular buildings?

799
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:31,300
 - Well, I think that's already been done, has it not?

800
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,180
 - Yes, that's already been done.

801
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:34,940
 - Yeah, that's already been done.

802
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:38,500
 - But that strengthens protections for those structures.

803
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,700
 - Correct. - Correct, okay.

804
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,620
 However, the park grounds themselves,

805
00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:46,540
 those would then fall outside of our purview

806
00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:49,620
 and therefore they could be subject

807
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:52,740
 to whatever type of modification might be deemed okay

808
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,020
 by the city or by the parks.

809
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,420
 - By Parks Department, but that would also,

810
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:59,900
 as Tina was stating, that would have to be a larger

811
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,340
 discussion that we have that you all have

812
00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:05,140
 as a commission stating, hey, we are willing,

813
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:06,700
 you know, I'm just gonna give an example.

814
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,740
 Where we need to, we wanna protect all the O'Neill

815
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:12,900
 forward structures, the creek, the embankment,

816
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,060
 but we also feel like this has a really integral history

817
00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:18,580
 so we actually wanna preserve everything south of that.

818
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:21,180
 But then parks can have the park land north.

819
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:24,340
 So it's, the designation currently as is,

820
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:28,860
 is just very broad, it encompasses the entire park.

821
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,420
 So as part of that planning process,

822
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:36,420
 with the amount of different structures or event spaces

823
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:39,420
 that people are looking for as part of the public,

824
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:45,740
 there is so much, it would have to go through the historic,

825
00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:49,140
 even if it has nothing, even if it's putting a stage up,

826
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:49,980
 it would have to go through

827
00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:51,740
 the Historic Landmark Commission.

828
00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:56,140
 And so, but how does that tie to history if it's temporary?

829
00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,100
 - What happens if they fuck up the roots to our trees?

830
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,860
 So here's where I'm going.

831
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,020
 Okay, so since it's open for discussion,

832
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:04,860
 I'll just discuss. - Right, yeah, yeah.

833
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:07,740
 - I mean, let me do a little Jasper thing here.

834
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:11,140
 There's some very good historic reasons

835
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:15,260
 that there should be skepticism of this falling entirely

836
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:18,460
 under the city's purview and their discretion.

837
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:20,140
 Because as far as I'm concerned,

838
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:23,740
 this property is sacred land,

839
00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:28,740
 and we got it by not so great means, okay?

840
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:31,900
 And the reason was the people that were there

841
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,380
 didn't have a say, they couldn't vote.

842
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:37,420
 And it was happening with or without it

843
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:39,180
 in every way, shape, or form.

844
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:43,400
 So what I'm pointing out is that I feel like,

845
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,580
 rather, I'm feeling like these restrictions to pull back

846
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:52,780
 are a relinquishment of our possibility

847
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:55,460
 of also being a check and a balance

848
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:59,780
 against possibly some decisions that might be motivated by,

849
00:41:59,780 --> 00:42:02,700
 oh, I don't know, let's say commercial appeal,

850
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,500
 or what happens if someone comes into this park,

851
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:06,700
 and I'm not even kidding.

852
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:09,420
 They set up a stage where they use equipment,

853
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:12,160
 and what it does is it causes damage to root systems

854
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,440
 of old trees in the park.

855
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:19,780
 No one may not be thinking about that ahead of time.

856
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:21,540
 I feel like the Historic Landmark Commission,

857
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:24,180
 yes, we don't wanna get drowned down in minutiae.

858
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:26,380
 Like every time they wanna put up a bandstand,

859
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:30,180
 we're getting, you know, I can understand the logic there.

860
00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:33,540
 But the historic significance here is something

861
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:37,080
 that I feel needs to be aggressively protected.

862
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,500
 And I feel like that's one of the reasons

863
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:45,120
 that whenever it was placed in this purview

864
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,120
 under this commission was with that as designed.

865
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:59,260
 So my concern would be that these are great discussions

866
00:42:59,260 --> 00:43:06,740
 to have on the front end because the potential for misuse

867
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:13,180
 or potential abuse without that extra set of eyes

868
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:16,900
 or extra set of concerns, that would be something

869
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,740
 that I would find highly problematic.

870
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:22,180
 - Does this not include the senior center?

871
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:24,260
 - Correct.

872
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:29,620
 - So that would not be part of the purview

873
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:31,300
 that you're saying you would want us

874
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:33,340
 to give that back to the city?

875
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:37,820
 - So this is just, once again, this is conceptual design.

876
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:40,380
 Senior center was never designed by O'Neill Ford.

877
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:42,540
 It was designed to look like O'Neill Ford.

878
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:43,700
 It's not 50 years old.

879
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:45,980
 And from what we've been informed,

880
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:48,740
 it has a lot of maintenance.

881
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:53,140
 The pool itself has been redone about four different times.

882
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:55,860
 None of it's really original at this point.

883
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:58,140
 And it does not get enough use.

884
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:00,820
 So those are why you don't see those two conceptual

885
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:04,740
 or two things as part of the conceptual plan.

886
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:06,460
 I do wanna preface in your backup.

887
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:09,220
 It does, I provided the entire chapter

888
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:11,520
 regarding the Quaker Town Park Master Plan.

889
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,180
 Before any work can happen,

890
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:15,840
 an archeological survey does have to take place.

891
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,700
 Just wanted to let you all know.

892
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:19,880
 So for this entire park,

893
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,840
 an archeological survey would take place.

894
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,540
 Any artifacts that were found would be preserved.

895
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:29,820
 And so there would have to be steps taken

896
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:32,540
 before anything could even happen.

897
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:37,540
 But as Tina has stated, before even that portion,

898
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:40,820
 we'd have to have, as a commission,

899
00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:43,540
 a staff is talking and have a work session

900
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:45,740
 as well as hearing regarding that ordinance

901
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:48,460
 and what that looks like if it were to be amended at all,

902
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:50,740
 if it weren't to be amended at all.

903
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:55,740
 But at least if we would not be to work through that,

904
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:59,700
 just as staff, definitely at least providing some clarity

905
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,540
 in the designation of what is included,

906
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:06,180
 even if it's stated landscaping, buildings, all of the above.

907
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:08,180
 - Mr. McAllen, do you have a question?

908
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:12,100
 - Well, I'm gonna go back to the sculpture that's down there

909
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,220
 because I think it's obvious,

910
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:18,780
 if that came before the park board,

911
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:22,660
 nobody on there has the history to know what that is,

912
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,780
 that they could just immediately say,

913
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:28,820
 gosh, move this out, clear this piece of junk.

914
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:33,820
 But because Mount Miller has such a history in Denton,

915
00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:36,260
 there are so many of those structures.

916
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:41,260
 And that's the only piece of park structure

917
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:46,380
 that I'm aware of that they developed.

918
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:51,380
 And it's odd looking, but kids absolutely love it.

919
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:55,020
 And I think it deserves to be protected.

920
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:58,500
 So I don't want the parks board to have the authority

921
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,100
 to move that out of there without it.

922
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,460
 - Speaking of the concrete things there,

923
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:04,700
 the senior center, yeah.

924
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:08,900
 - So I have just half of that hole here.

925
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:11,300
 So if that was something that we did say,

926
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:13,300
 okay, we're gonna do that, oh, no side.

927
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,820
 Now, it is possible parks could come in

928
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:20,600
 and say, we're gonna tear down the civic center,

929
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,340
 we're gonna tear out the pool,

930
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:24,340
 and we're gonna do something different.

931
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:26,780
 - They would have to come to you all.

932
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:29,500
 The buildings would still be protected.

933
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,820
 - But they do not include the senior center there.

934
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:33,900
 - Because it is not O'Neill Ford.

935
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:34,740
 - That's right.

936
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:35,560
 - Right, right.

937
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,400
 - So this doesn't mean.

938
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,700
 - I just wanna say hypothetical here.

939
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:45,020
 I don't know, I just think the whole property there

940
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:46,980
 is historic, every bit of it.

941
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:50,940
 I think it was made that way for a reason.

942
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:54,300
 And I would, I'm not saying that,

943
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,620
 I would like to see you come to us and say,

944
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:57,940
 hey, here's kind of what we're thinking,

945
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:59,220
 we'd like to do this and this.

946
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:02,260
 We haven't come in and said, no, you can't do that.

947
00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:04,820
 So I just kind of, I don't know,

948
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:08,640
 it would be hard for me to be in favor to give it up.

949
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,020
 - And that's what I'm anticipating,

950
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:12,160
 is that we would come and have that conversation

951
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,500
 with the Historic Landmark Commission and say,

952
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,380
 hey, everything that we've evaluated on this site,

953
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:19,220
 we think either A, it all needs to be included,

954
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:22,660
 or B, we think that all of the property,

955
00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:25,580
 except for this piece over here, should be included.

956
00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:26,900
 Do you agree, disagree?

957
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:28,140
 But having that conversation

958
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:29,340
 with the Historic Landmark Commission,

959
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:32,780
 so you all would be an active part of that conversation.

960
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:34,820
 So, because, to Kevin's point,

961
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:36,540
 I know we need to do the archeological survey,

962
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:39,300
 but the other aspect also comes into play,

963
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,540
 is funding has to be set aside for this plan

964
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:44,480
 to be implemented to also understand

965
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,580
 what the next steps are that we want to take.

966
00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:48,460
 But again, the Historic Landmark Commission

967
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:50,820
 would be an integral part of that conversation

968
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:54,940
 to be able to see, okay, is there anything

969
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:57,340
 that would be re-linguished?

970
00:47:57,340 --> 00:48:00,980
 If not, then no, we're keeping all of the property,

971
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:03,580
 and especially if there's any modifications

972
00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:04,860
 that are being made to these areas,

973
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:06,940
 definitely having a COA that comes before

974
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:08,780
 the Historic Landmark Commission.

975
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:10,540
 It could be the items that are already delegated

976
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:13,780
 to the Historic Preservation Officer continue to remain.

977
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:15,660
 It could be that there are some responsibilities

978
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:17,380
 that are allocated to the HBO

979
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:20,380
 that we feel still need to be better assigned

980
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:23,060
 to the Historic Landmark Commission to be able to address.

981
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:26,420
 So again, it's having that conversation with all of you

982
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:27,260
 when that time comes.

983
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:29,860
 We just wanted to put this plan before you

984
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:31,500
 so that you are not surprised by it

985
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:35,260
 and so that you're informed, but also know that later on,

986
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:37,540
 if we come to you and are having that conversation,

987
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:39,260
 because we've identified certain things

988
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:42,380
 that we want your feedback on, so that you're aware of that.

989
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:45,260
 - Commissioner Timberman, do you have any insight,

990
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:46,100
 any thoughts?

991
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:50,820
 - I mean, I'm looking at, I don't know if it's,

992
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:53,220
 I think it's the same thing, but it's got the,

993
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:54,580
 I mean, I have some thoughts.

994
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:57,620
 I don't know if it really falls under our,

995
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:59,260
 just seeing some of the things that are proposed

996
00:48:59,260 --> 00:49:02,180
 put in there, but I mean, I'm in agreement with everybody.

997
00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:04,140
 I mean, this is a huge change to,

998
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:09,540
 this is like, I'm pretty much in agreement with everybody,

999
00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:12,340
 but there's some, like I'm looking at cafes and things.

1000
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:13,420
 I don't know if talking about that

1001
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:15,820
 is something that falls under our,

1002
00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:18,540
 but I thought it's just as a citizen of Denver

1003
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:19,700
 about those things, but.

1004
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:26,260
 - Commissioner McDonough, anything else from you?

1005
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:29,660
 - I don't know if they're gonna take, if there's any possibility

1006
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:31,940
 they're gonna take that away, but I might say so.

1007
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:32,780
 (laughing)

1008
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:34,620
 - I'm against it.

1009
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:35,940
 - Thank you, Commissioner Gregory.

1010
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:39,700
 - Yeah, I'm, you know, just a question about essentially

1011
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:42,780
 the implications of what this change would be,

1012
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:45,820
 so if it were to happen, so, right,

1013
00:49:45,820 --> 00:49:48,500
 we talked about sort of like the important buildings,

1014
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:50,660
 but also like the view to them,

1015
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:51,860
 and when I look at this, right,

1016
00:49:51,860 --> 00:49:54,540
 I'm seeing literally like from McKinney,

1017
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:57,900
 all view of those two O'Neill Ford buildings

1018
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,580
 probably aren't, isn't visible anymore,

1019
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:04,380
 and so I'm just thinking about maybe just saying out loud

1020
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:09,380
 that that would be an implication of this commission not,

1021
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:12,500
 right, if the whole property isn't protected,

1022
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:17,300
 then there's not, if I'm understanding correctly, right,

1023
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,100
 then we can't have a say so if those buildings

1024
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,820
 get visually covered by new structures that I'm thinking

1025
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:25,660
 would not.

1026
00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:32,220
 - Okay, Commissioner Tree, anything else to add?

1027
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:33,220
 - I reckon.

1028
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:37,180
 Once you seal the pay, you can't name it, though.

1029
00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:38,020
 - Well.

1030
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:40,780
 (laughing)

1031
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:44,420
 - That is, we give it, we, in principle,

1032
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:47,460
 relinquish a modicum of control,

1033
00:50:47,460 --> 00:50:51,860
 then we're basically depending upon the accounts

1034
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:54,140
 of strangers in conversations,

1035
00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:56,220
 rather than being involved at the gate,

1036
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:59,260
 so that's a long struggle to make.

1037
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:00,860
 - I agree with the commission here,

1038
00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:05,620
 and I think relinquishing that is big.

1039
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:09,380
 I think our, the whole reason we are on this commission

1040
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:11,420
 is to preserve and protect,

1041
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:14,620
 and I think to relinquish it is giving that up,

1042
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:17,300
 but I don't think we're hard to get along with.

1043
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:19,140
 I feel like if they, if there was something

1044
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:22,380
 they wanted to do and they brought it to us,

1045
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:25,060
 I think we're open to a lot of proposals,

1046
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:26,980
 so I don't think by saying, hey,

1047
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:30,820
 we don't wanna relinquish, we're not in for, you know,

1048
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:33,460
 bringing things up to 21st century, those types of things.

1049
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:36,820
 I don't think that's out of the purview,

1050
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:39,300
 but I just feel like relinquishing

1051
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:41,940
 is just totally opposite of what this court is for.

1052
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,300
 - Okay, are we ready to move on, do we have anything else?

1053
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,740
 All right, you guys ready to move on?

1054
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:53,660
 - Not until I'm all over KQ.

1055
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:56,540
 (all laughing)

1056
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:57,900
 - I'm right there with you.

1057
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:00,420
 (all laughing)

1058
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:05,420
 - Okay, item 4B, number 8L C24-032

1059
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,940
 on our agendas to receive a report,

1060
00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:10,540
 hold a discussion, and give staff direction

1061
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:12,860
 on the Historic Landmark Commission's request

1062
00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:14,940
 for local and historic designation

1063
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:17,020
 and eligible historic properties.

1064
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:22,220
 Does anyone have one that I need to bring?

1065
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:24,260
 - Any word from Prosthes people yet, Matt?

1066
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:27,300
 - No, nothing from Prosthes, nothing from Prosthes.

1067
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:32,300
 - Okay, can I just ask, if anybody knows,

1068
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:37,500
 I've been told that south of the New Eagle,

1069
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:46,300
 whatever, development, it's south of, in the Denia neighborhood,

1070
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:49,860
 far south, and kind of southwest,

1071
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:52,780
 that there is a large acreage

1072
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:57,540
 with an almost falling down huge house

1073
00:52:57,540 --> 00:53:03,740
 that was apparently an architecturally

1074
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:06,220
 specially designed house that somebody owned

1075
00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:07,860
 and it's still there.

1076
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:10,980
 I was told that it was falling down

1077
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:14,300
 and that a couple of cows had, at some point,

1078
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:15,980
 walked in it and died.

1079
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:22,060
 - Do you know a chance for a street?

1080
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:26,460
 'Cause I'm not sure, sorry.

1081
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:27,300
 - Can you pull up a map?

1082
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:28,740
 - Can I say the cow part?

1083
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:30,420
 Sorry, I sort by cows.

1084
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:31,260
 - Maybe pull up a--

1085
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:32,580
 - Yeah, I'll turn it up a little bit.

1086
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:34,780
 - We'll see if we can approximate it then.

1087
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:38,940
 - Are you concerned about designation of the structure

1088
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:39,780
 or the cows?

1089
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:41,660
 (laughing)

1090
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:44,740
 - We can do an archeological survey of the cows.

1091
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:45,580
 - Preservation of the cows?

1092
00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:48,300
 - Yeah, let's do a preservation of the cows.

1093
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,420
 - I wonder if, I've never seen it.

1094
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:55,420
 It's apparently not available to the public to go in.

1095
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:58,420
 Somebody, I guess out of town or somewhere,

1096
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:59,660
 owns the property.

1097
00:53:59,660 --> 00:54:02,780
 - And it's south of Rosalong?

1098
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:05,180
 Do you know?

1099
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:08,820
 'Cause there's this property.

1100
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:11,620
 - I don't know that it's that far.

1101
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:14,740
 There's a big house on it.

1102
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:19,740
 I was told it must be at least 6,000 square feet.

1103
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:24,500
 And it looked like, from the pictures that I was shown,

1104
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:29,500
 it looked like it might be, oh yeah, okay.

1105
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,500
 - I'm just, I'm just, I'm sorry.

1106
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:33,900
 - I don't really know where to go.

1107
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,180
 (laughing)

1108
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:39,860
 - I can zoom in and just go like, slow.

1109
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:42,420
 - It's south of Little Wood, I know.

1110
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:43,260
 - Okay.

1111
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:47,020
 Well this is, I think this is the development

1112
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:48,500
 you're speaking of, correct?

1113
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,100
 Okay.

1114
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:54,700
 So, there's Little Wood.

1115
00:54:54,700 --> 00:55:00,700
 Oh, but it's south of this development, sorry, right?

1116
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:01,540
 - Yeah.

1117
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:07,980
 - Me.

1118
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:08,820
 - I think it's me.

1119
00:55:08,820 --> 00:55:10,900
 - I was gonna say, I know Leanne's property's very old.

1120
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:14,860
 - It's, it's, it's, oh it's not hers.

1121
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:15,700
 - Okay.

1122
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:18,980
 - It's, it's on the, it's west of 35.

1123
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:19,820
 - Okay.

1124
00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:24,020
 - 35 west or 35 east?

1125
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:25,340
 - West of 30.

1126
00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:26,180
 - Five east.

1127
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:28,140
 - No, no, east of 35 W.

1128
00:55:28,140 --> 00:55:31,580
 And west of 35 E.

1129
00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:33,820
 (laughing)

1130
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:37,180
 (overlapping chatter)

1131
00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:38,460
 - So we're in between.

1132
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:39,300
 - Mm-hmm.

1133
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:40,140
 - The in-between.

1134
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:40,980
 - Okay.

1135
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:47,820
 - There's a small lake on it, I think.

1136
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:48,820
 - A small lake?

1137
00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:49,660
 - That helps.

1138
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:51,820
 - That's the only one I know with a small lake.

1139
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:54,540
 - Pond.

1140
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:55,380
 - Lake.

1141
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,200
 - Pond.

1142
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,040
 - Pond.

1143
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,880
 - It's pretty large.

1144
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,700
 - Pond.

1145
00:55:58,700 --> 00:55:59,540
 - Yeah, it's a very large pond.

1146
00:55:59,540 --> 00:56:00,380
 - Yes.

1147
00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:02,500
 - These?

1148
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:03,340
 - These are--

1149
00:56:03,340 --> 00:56:06,500
 (overlapping chatter)

1150
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:11,860
 - These look very new.

1151
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:16,260
 That's a pond.

1152
00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:19,700
 - Wait, if you went back to where that tank was,

1153
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:20,540
 the lake--

1154
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:23,500
 - Oh, oh, sorry, sorry, this way.

1155
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:24,820
 - That structure right there beside it.

1156
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:26,180
 - That's one.

1157
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:27,020
 - I can't--

1158
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:30,340
 (overlapping chatter)

1159
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:34,300
 - What is that?

1160
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:37,940
 - It's a structure that I can't see.

1161
00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:39,740
 It looks like it has a flat roof there,

1162
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:41,780
 so it looks probably mid-century model.

1163
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:45,980
 - It's skylighting.

1164
00:56:45,980 --> 00:56:48,340
 - Can you see out through it, and you look closer?

1165
00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:50,580
 (laughing)

1166
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:53,140
 - Maybe, lady, if you want to do some more

1167
00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:55,740
 of our work and research, maybe you can go down for us

1168
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:57,620
 and send Cameron an email.

1169
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:58,460
 - Yeah.

1170
00:56:58,460 --> 00:56:59,280
 - We can do some further.

1171
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,460
 - I'd say I'm happy to look.

1172
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:02,020
 If you can give me a general--

1173
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:03,140
 - Where is that?

1174
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:06,980
 - This is West, or yeah, West of Bonnie Brea--

1175
00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:08,220
 - Brown Brothers Trail.

1176
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:11,780
 - Brown Brothers Trail, other than Bonnie Brea.

1177
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:14,580
 West of Bonnie Brea.

1178
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:16,820
 It's close to 35 West.

1179
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:18,540
 - You can't tell if it's a two-story or not,

1180
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:19,740
 so it could be.

1181
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:20,580
 - Maybe.

1182
00:57:20,580 --> 00:57:21,700
 - Yeah, it might be.

1183
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:23,820
 There's something here.

1184
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:26,580
 - No, that doesn't look like it.

1185
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:31,340
 - Okay, well, it is east of 35 West.

1186
00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:36,340
 - That looks more like it, 'cause I've been told it

1187
00:57:36,340 --> 00:57:38,260
 in that direction.

1188
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:39,100
 Okay.

1189
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,380
 (gasping)

1190
00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:41,820
 - Sorry, I've been over here.

1191
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:43,620
 I've got my mic over here, 'cause that's the bin

1192
00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:45,100
 that goes around Bonnie Brea.

1193
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:50,300
 - But it's not something that you can just see.

1194
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:51,740
 You have to get past a--

1195
00:57:51,740 --> 00:57:53,100
 - Right, it's fenced off here.

1196
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:57,100
 - You have to get past a fence to get in and see it.

1197
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,620
 - It's got a big, it's not even a fence,

1198
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:59,820
 it's a big metal gate.

1199
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:01,160
 - Okay, well.

1200
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,620
 - I can do more research.

1201
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:04,140
 If we think this is the property,

1202
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:05,760
 I'm happy to look into it.

1203
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,600
 - Okay.

1204
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,040
 4101, Brown Brothers Trout.

1205
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,880
 - Okay.

1206
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:17,560
 - I hope that's not the bloody Brown Brothers.

1207
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,340
 - Okay, I'm happy to look that up.

1208
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:23,300
 - I didn't know it had, the picture that I showed,

1209
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:27,500
 it had a great big room and a huge free-standing

1210
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:29,380
 front place in the middle.

1211
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,060
 What's that property?

1212
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,420
 - I think we're thinking of the same one,

1213
00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:36,460
 but I didn't, I was thinking like some haunted mansion,

1214
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:38,300
 because you said cows died in it, so.

1215
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:41,540
 I think that's the property.

1216
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:44,620
 I think we're thinking it has like an inset living room,

1217
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:46,260
 like you step down into the living room,

1218
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:47,820
 and then there's a fire pit in the middle.

1219
00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:48,660
 - Yes.

1220
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:50,540
 - I think that's that property.

1221
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:52,420
 It's like a mid-century modern home.

1222
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:55,460
 - Well, is there any possibility

1223
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:57,460
 that we might find out who owns it?

1224
00:58:57,460 --> 00:59:00,180
 - I would say I'll look into it.

1225
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:01,020
 - Oh, look into it.

1226
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:01,860
 - Bye.

1227
00:59:01,860 --> 00:59:02,700
 - Bye.

1228
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:03,900
 - Bye.

1229
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,280
 - Thanks for coming in.

1230
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,120
 - Thank you.

1231
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,420
 - All right, anything else on eligible historic properties?

1232
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:16,140
 All right, we're gonna move on to item four C,

1233
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:19,980
 number HSC 24-033.

1234
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:21,100
 We're gonna hold the discussion

1235
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,220
 regarding the Historic Landmark Commission's

1236
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:25,060
 project matrix.

1237
00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:25,900
 - Yes.

1238
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:27,980
 - Yes.

1239
00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:29,060
 - Matrix.

1240
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:34,060
 - Okay, so the template and agenda,

1241
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:35,980
 still working on that.

1242
00:59:35,980 --> 00:59:38,460
 So that's gonna be presented in the early fall.

1243
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:40,740
 As you probably all realize,

1244
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:43,440
 the historic tax exemption discussion did not,

1245
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,300
 continuation did not happen today,

1246
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:50,540
 but we are gonna continue that on September 9th.

1247
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:53,540
 Staff is currently speaking, thanks to Lacey.

1248
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:56,780
 She set up a bunch of different meetings with cities,

1249
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:59,140
 HPOs, so I've been having meetings

1250
00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:01,780
 with different city representatives

1251
01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:06,100
 to talk through their different tax exemptions,

1252
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,800
 some of the challenges, some of the successes,

1253
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,300
 what they're looking to do, if anything, in the future.

1254
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:13,960
 So I have had those meetings,

1255
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,000
 and I believe we have two more of those coming up.

1256
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:23,500
 And then focus group regarding historic property owners,

1257
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,660
 shock about historic preservation procedure incentives,

1258
01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:28,900
 still scheduled for early fall.

1259
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:31,940
 And then presentation preliminary guidelines,

1260
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:33,460
 that's on hold.

1261
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:36,780
 And then general topic training relevant,

1262
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:38,980
 the duties and interests, that's a monthly occurrence,

1263
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:40,260
 but it's been kind of on hold

1264
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:43,460
 with the tax exemptions as of right now.

1265
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:46,180
 But that's it, is there anything

1266
01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:48,580
 that you all would like to add?

1267
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:49,420
 Or?

1268
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:55,540
 - No.

1269
01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:56,380
 - Okay.

1270
01:00:56,380 --> 01:01:02,660
 - All right, does anyone have any other business to discuss?

1271
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:03,540
 Yes?

1272
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:04,380
 Cameron.

1273
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:06,120
 (laughing)

1274
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:06,960
 - I'm the last.

1275
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,780
 - I'm the last.

1276
01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:11,900
 So I did want to make an announcement

1277
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:15,900
 that our sweet Lacey is leaving us.

1278
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,380
 So this is her last meeting

1279
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:22,060
 with the Historic Landmark Commission.

1280
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,140
 (indistinct chatter)

1281
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:25,980
 - I'm not going to be a dispatcher,

1282
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:26,820
 I'm not going to be.

1283
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:29,820
 (indistinct chatter)

1284
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:32,340
 Tina's looking at me like she did not know this information.

1285
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,380
 Sorry, I thought you knew, I'm so sorry.

1286
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:36,900
 This is my last meeting.

1287
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,700
 I'm leaving at the end of the month

1288
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:42,140
 to go be a dispatcher for the city of Edmonds.

1289
01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:43,500
 - Oh, you don't want to do that.

1290
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:45,760
 (laughing)

1291
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,460
 - You always do that, Lacey, it's okay.

1292
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:48,820
 - Y'all are blessed.

1293
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:51,900
 I have loved, I've been here almost two years with y'all.

1294
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:52,860
 I love it.

1295
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:54,580
 I've loved every minute of it,

1296
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,100
 but this is a career I've really been looking forward to

1297
01:01:57,100 --> 01:01:58,540
 for a long time.

1298
01:01:58,540 --> 01:01:59,420
 I'm very excited.

1299
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:01,960
 It's been a long application process,

1300
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,700
 but I heard on Wednesday that I passed everything

1301
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:09,460
 and I am moving forward, so.

1302
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:11,460
 - That's okay, so I'm going to take my calls first,

1303
01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:12,300
 when I call you.

1304
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:13,540
 (laughing)

1305
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:14,720
 - Congratulations.

1306
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,560
 - Thank you.

1307
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,820
 (indistinct chatter)

1308
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:18,740
 - Thank you.

1309
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:21,820
 - Ms. Kathy is going to be taking over my spot,

1310
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:24,820
 so you will get the quorum emails,

1311
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:26,340
 the background materials, stuff like that.

1312
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:27,940
 It'll all go through Kathy.

1313
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:29,700
 If you ever got an email from me,

1314
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:30,660
 it will not be her.

1315
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:32,940
 - But Kathy, you've been with the city for a long time.

1316
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:33,780
 - Yes.

1317
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:37,380
 I worked at CSOP and I do planning and zoning commission.

1318
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:39,180
 Did have a HLC for a while.

1319
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:40,580
 - That's what I was thinking, yeah.

1320
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:41,420
 - Yes.

1321
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:44,220
 - Oh, welcome.

1322
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:45,060
 You get to be our new favorite now.

1323
01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:46,100
 - Oh, thank you.

1324
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,060
 (laughing)

1325
01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:50,180
 - I'm not even gone.

1326
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:52,060
 (laughing)

1327
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:53,340
 - I'm still here.

1328
01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:54,340
 - Okay.

1329
01:02:54,340 --> 01:02:56,020
 And then one more announcement.

1330
01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:56,860
 Sorry.

1331
01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:57,700
 (laughing)

1332
01:02:57,700 --> 01:03:02,180
 No, and then in regards to the design downtown dent and plan,

1333
01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:05,820
 the public hearing for that is this Wednesday

1334
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:07,580
 for planning and zoning commission.

1335
01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:11,020
 That starts at 6.30 p.m. at the city council chambers,

1336
01:03:11,020 --> 01:03:15,880
 and then September 17th for city council public hearing.

1337
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,300
 And that is at city council chambers starting at 6.30 as well.

1338
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,780
 - Where can we find the full plan?

1339
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:25,140
 - Discussdenton.com or the engagement website

1340
01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:25,980
 if you're familiar with it.

1341
01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:27,940
 But if you're going to Discuss Denton,

1342
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:31,260
 go to the design downtown dent and plan.

1343
01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:34,940
 It's the first post and I put a smiley face next to it.

1344
01:03:34,940 --> 01:03:38,340
 I believe we're at, wow, like a explosion.

1345
01:03:38,340 --> 01:03:39,980
 - I can't remember which one I picked.

1346
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:41,740
 - Okay, you said this Thursday at what time?

1347
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:42,660
 - Oh, this Wednesday.

1348
01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:43,620
 - Wednesday.

1349
01:03:43,620 --> 01:03:46,340
 - At 6.30 at council chambers.

1350
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:50,020
 For planning and zoning.

1351
01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:50,860
 - Plan C.

1352
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:51,700
 - Yes.

1353
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:52,520
 - Public hearing.

1354
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,360
 - Yes.

1355
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,240
 And then city council's at September 17th.

1356
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,580
 We did a smiley face and then it's okay.

1357
01:04:01,580 --> 01:04:02,500
 - Oh, I did both?

1358
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:03,340
 Okay.

1359
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:05,860
 - This is my little face and explosion on Discussdenton.

1360
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:08,440
 - There we go, there we go.

1361
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,280
 Okay.

1362
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,740
 There we go.

1363
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:17,840
 All right, any other business to discuss?

1364
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:23,060
 All right, then I will be thus adjourned at 6.35 p.m.

1365
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:26,100
 - I command that.

1366
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,100
 - Can you share some stuff?

1367
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:28,300
 Please go eat food.

1368
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:31,300
 (people chattering)