WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.020 Alright well go ahead and get started, Lauren is still going to be running around and grabbing 00:00:08.020 --> 00:00:14.740 any final paperwork from you all but just want to make you aware that starting at 5 00:00:14.740 --> 00:00:21.180 30 every evening that we're in here the mics will be hot so we're not utilizing any hand 00:00:21.180 --> 00:00:27.700 held mics, the room is mic'd and the meeting is live streamed so they'll pick up on you 00:00:27.700 --> 00:00:31.080 you know even the littlest things so just be mindful of that whenever you come in every 00:00:31.080 --> 00:00:37.280 evening and then whenever you are intending to speak speak you know with some projection 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:42.360 and loud enough so that the whole room can hear you so we'll go ahead and get started 00:00:42.360 --> 00:00:46.280 and seeing that we have a quorum present I'll call the regular meeting of the charter review 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:59.640 committee to order at 5 37 p.m. the first item on our agenda is CRC 24001 welcome remarks 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:04.960 and introductions of the committee members and staff good evening everyone and welcome 00:01:04.960 --> 00:01:09.440 to the first meeting of the charter review committee I'm Christy Fogel I'm the chief 00:01:09.440 --> 00:01:14.560 of staff at the city of Denton and I'll be the staff liaison for the committee throughout 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:20.440 its work I want to start out by thanking you all for agreeing to serve the city in this 00:01:20.440 --> 00:01:25.360 capacity the charter is the foundational and guiding document of the city and the opportunity 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:31.640 for us to review it is and revise it is should not be taken lightly whether it's immediate 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:37.600 or obvious or not the decisions the committee will make over the next couple of months will 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:43.000 have a lasting effect on the city and its people and we rely heavily on engaged residents 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:48.880 like you all to weigh in and lead the city in the right direction so before we jump into 00:01:48.880 --> 00:01:54.040 our agenda I'd like us to go around the room and introduce ourselves so we can get acquainted 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:58.440 if you can please share your name and then something that you love about Denton we're 00:01:58.440 --> 00:02:04.280 all here to serve the city and I think we can all agree it's a great place to be and 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:10.200 we're working towards a great future so I'll start Christy Fogel I just moved back to Denton 00:02:10.200 --> 00:02:16.040 from Austin born and raised here but moved back in January for this job so really excited 00:02:16.040 --> 00:02:20.960 to be here and one of my favorite things about Denton is the food specifically Fuzzy's tacos 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:29.040 which cater tonight so shameless plug just my favorite I get I'm not sponsored by them 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:34.800 so yeah if we want to go around the room starting over here and just introduce yourself and 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:40.120 anything that you love about Denton and activity you like doing here or you know favorite restaurants 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:41.120 etc. 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:46.800 My name is Margarita Banegas and I work for UNT I went to school here left for several 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:52.880 years and then came back and one of my favorite things about Denton is the public parks and 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:58.600 recreation options available I love Clear Creek when it's not completely flooded is my favorite 00:02:58.600 --> 00:02:59.600 place to be. 00:02:59.600 --> 00:03:06.440 My name is Waver McClure I'm on education and pharmacy I've been here since 1989 and 00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:13.840 it's always been pretty much about the people how nice they are how to get along with them 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:20.600 working with the city at times with some things or projects I've had. 00:03:20.600 --> 00:03:27.000 I'm Jane Siegel and I'm originally from Delaware most people don't even know where that is 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:36.680 I came to Denton in 1978 and went to then it was North Texas State now it's UNT I got 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:43.040 my master's degree there I lived and worked in Denton since that time and I'm now retired 00:03:43.040 --> 00:03:50.600 and what I love about Denton is Denton Boys baseball because my parents have played. 00:03:50.600 --> 00:03:57.280 I'm Brian VanBalk from Peterbilt and others I've been with Peterbilt for 19 years that's 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:02.400 what brought me to Denton basically grew up in West Texas but relocated here after being 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:08.200 in the Marine Corps so I got a job at Peterbilt so I've been here for been living in Denton 00:04:08.200 --> 00:04:14.040 for 15 years so the thing a little about Denton is just the community and just the mix of 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:19.440 big and small businesses as well as the square and the hearts it's everything it's just a 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:25.400 very unique community that I think is very close for the size that it's right so it's 00:04:25.400 --> 00:04:37.240 even bigger but you still have a very family atmosphere my name is Nathan Johnson I was 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:42.520 born and raised here in Denton and what I love about Denton is home no matter where 00:04:42.520 --> 00:04:54.640 I go in the country visit always come home so that's my name is Gabriel Kirkpatrick 00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:59.840 or Gabe as the sign either is fine I was born in Texas moved around a little bit growing 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:05.560 up in fact when I went off to college at Florida State I thought my Texas days may be over 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:11.120 but then my niece was born and took a job at UNT I've been back ever since one of the 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:15.600 things that I love about Denton is just that even though we do have that small townfield 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:20.360 there's so many people here and I'm meeting new people every day and it's just I've always 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:26.000 liked the vibe here this is home it's been home since 2003 and this is I see this is 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:32.380 a great opportunity to give service back to the community that I love I'm Michelle Jones 00:05:32.380 --> 00:05:42.920 and I started practicing law here in 1993 and moved here in 2004 and I've always loved 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:48.880 it and I love the food I love the community I love music I love that it's a college town 00:05:48.880 --> 00:05:55.920 it's been a great great place my name is Jesse Davis I'm also a hometown person I see so 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.720 many of us in the room it's really cool and I'll start off but that's kind of my favorite 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:04.200 thing about Denton is like you said you go away and you come back you travel and you 00:06:04.200 --> 00:06:09.640 run into people who know where your hometown's from and not everybody gets to be you know 00:06:09.640 --> 00:06:14.240 to grow up in a place that is as special and as unique as Denton is not that all y'all's 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:20.320 other hometowns aren't great but Denton is a very special mix of people it's a really 00:06:20.320 --> 00:06:25.160 different mix of people than you run into in other places even other places in Texas 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:31.440 so I grew up here went to Denton high school I went to UNT got a poli sci degree there 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:36.520 worked in DC for a couple years my wife and I got married and we went to Waco where I 00:06:36.520 --> 00:06:41.640 went to law school and then I got my dream job right out of school here at the DA's office 00:06:41.640 --> 00:06:48.240 in County County so I've been doing the public service thing ever since. 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:58.080 I'm Julie Romsky we relocated here from Dayton Ohio in 2010 no excuse me 2014 we started 00:06:58.080 --> 00:07:02.000 looking in 2010 okay. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:12.360 Needles to say Denton won out as to where to relocate because we are retired it's very 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:20.400 interesting meet location what with having two major universities learning that UNT has 00:07:20.400 --> 00:07:28.800 a world-renowned music center which we partake in when they have things and just all in all 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:36.040 like it's been said it was very unique interesting wonderful people that we've met and we were 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:42.880 rather active in civic affairs and that back in Dayton and we appreciate the opportunity 00:07:42.880 --> 00:07:50.400 to continue this by say being on this committee and hopefully something else in the future. 00:07:50.400 --> 00:07:57.840 My name is Angela Brewer Isma I am also a hometown girl I grew up in Denton two-time 00:07:57.840 --> 00:08:04.620 graduate of the University of North Texas and I currently teach at UNT and there are so 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:08.640 many things that I love about Denton like some of you I was here and I went away and 00:08:08.640 --> 00:08:12.240 I came back and I went away and I came back and I came back because this is where I wanted 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:17.320 to raise my son and so once we had a kiddo this is where we decided we wanted to settle 00:08:17.320 --> 00:08:22.360 down there's so many things I love about this town and the mean green part of my heart wants 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:27.880 to say UNT is one of my favorite parts of Denton Texas but this afternoon I was at a 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:31.960 Harry Potter library program over at South Bridge library so I'm gonna go with library 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:36.480 parks and rec as my favorite Denton stuff. 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:41.000 My name is Peter Mungiguera I'm originally from Flyermount Texas which is where I met 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:47.080 my wife Bailey we went to high school we both went off to Baylor University together where 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:52.920 I studied polysci in undergrad and then also went on to law school Baylor University came 00:08:52.920 --> 00:08:58.520 back to Denton to raise or Denton County to raise our family you know when it came time 00:08:58.520 --> 00:09:02.040 to buy our first home we knew the city of Denton was going to be the best place to raise 00:09:02.040 --> 00:09:07.200 our young son who's 11 months old and what we really like about Denton is that similar 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:13.240 to Waco it's got a good small town feel but it's got big city amenities so we love that 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.920 it's still small town like everybody knows everybody but there's plenty of stuff to do 00:09:17.920 --> 00:09:19.920 so happy to be here. 00:09:19.920 --> 00:09:24.800 Hi my name's Leslie I moved to Denton in 2016 after college met my husband and now are raising 00:09:24.800 --> 00:09:30.520 two kids here Denton is the first place I lived as an adult and sort of come home really 00:09:30.520 --> 00:09:35.720 quickly I just love the vibe getting to experiences like a young person and now is more I'm an 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:40.760 adult I love just like the spectrum of events or something for everyone here and my favorite 00:09:40.760 --> 00:09:44.680 thing about Denton is the tree lighting I love getting to live through the replacement 00:09:44.680 --> 00:09:48.720 of the tree and the drama that that was and now getting to watch the new tree grow up 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.880 with my kids like the tree gets bigger my kids get bigger and that's just something 00:09:51.880 --> 00:09:56.840 that's like a really awesome core memory for me. 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.680 My name is Christine Frey I moved to Denton a couple of years back I've since been on 00:10:00.680 --> 00:10:06.680 the zoning board of justice mobility committee, bond committee last year I enjoy a lot of 00:10:06.680 --> 00:10:13.320 so much of what you guys have said about Denton but one thing that I really deeply appreciate 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:19.320 is as a transgender person there's a lot of places that just are not safe for me I recently 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:26.040 did a trip where I stopped in a town and waited in line at a Popeyes and the man behind me 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:31.240 stared at me stared me down for the entire time I was lying and figured it was gone. 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.240 I can say that's never happened to me in Denton so that's something that's very important 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.880 to me about Denton and that I very much appreciate. 00:10:39.880 --> 00:10:47.320 My name is Jeremy Fikes I moved to Denton in 1992 both my parents worked at Peterbilt 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:53.800 they've since retired but went to North Texas went to Denton High went to Calhoun in reverse 00:10:53.800 --> 00:10:54.800 order. 00:10:54.800 --> 00:11:05.080 I got my undergrad and masters at North Texas went into banking while I was in college still 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.160 in banking to this day I'm the market president for parent banking trust here in Denton I've 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:19.800 grown to enjoy you know the college sports in Denton the business community just working 00:11:19.800 --> 00:11:24.800 in the fellowship and all the people that we see out you know restaurants at night and 00:11:24.800 --> 00:11:30.960 also you know it you get work with them during the day so I just enjoy the people of Denton. 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:37.560 Thank you thank you all for sharing a little bit of your you know personal likes with us 00:11:37.560 --> 00:11:41.360 and we'll be getting to know each other more and more as we spend more time together. 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.420 I do want to give our other staff a chance to enter introduce themselves so Amanda. 00:11:46.420 --> 00:11:52.440 Hi I'm Amanda Brown I'm the deputy dean here for the city of Denton I think my favorite 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:57.800 thing about Denton is the people that I work with here and the amount of community engagement 00:11:57.800 --> 00:12:03.640 that the residents here provide I mean there's a lot of that so it's been very interesting 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:09.520 it's very fun so I'd be really happy to be here. 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:18.120 Lawrence Modell, the city secretary recently moved to Texas from New York so it's a bit 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:24.320 of a big move but happy to be here excited to be raising my family here I absolutely 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:32.660 love the people I work with I love the citizens here the involvement is incredible and it's 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:41.560 very welcoming and I do appreciate the transparency that the city of Denton has and the engagement 00:12:41.560 --> 00:12:46.920 that they have with the citizenry that's actually what in part drew me even to apply for the 00:12:46.920 --> 00:12:53.960 position at the outset so I'm not licensed yet here in Texas I am also an attorney in 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.960 New York. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:04.800 It's fun to learn different law I'm Jesse Kent I'm an assistant to the city manager 00:13:04.800 --> 00:13:11.600 like many of you I've also lived in Denton and moved away went to UNT my wife and I had 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.920 our first date at Jupiter House back when it used to say be nice to the hipsters they're 00:13:14.920 --> 00:13:29.320 doing the best I can so excited to get to meet you all and learn more about what you 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.320 all do for the city. 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:31.320 Thanks. 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.320 All right here's just a quick recap of our meeting agenda we'll review the purpose of 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:39.960 the charter committee as well as the charges set forth by council and the Denton City Charter 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:44.880 Committee and then we'll hold an election for a chair and a chair pro temp of the committee 00:13:44.880 --> 00:13:50.800 and then lastly we'll review just some housekeeping committee procedures so we're all on the same 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:55.960 page moving forward and while we operate momentarily without a chair I'd like to ask that you just 00:13:55.960 --> 00:14:00.040 write down any questions you have as I go through this first part of the presentation 00:14:00.040 --> 00:14:05.560 and I'll open it up for questions at the end and we can have a discussion about that. 00:14:05.560 --> 00:14:12.760 So next on our agenda is item CRC 24002 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the 00:14:12.760 --> 00:14:17.520 creation and purpose of the charter review committee and review Denton City Charter and 00:14:17.520 --> 00:14:18.520 committee charges. 00:14:18.520 --> 00:14:24.200 A little bit of background here the proposal to conduct a charter review started as a two 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:30.080 minute pitch back in August of 2023 and from there council directed two work sessions on 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:36.600 the topic and in January 2024 council provided direction on the process and timeline that 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:42.560 we're working off of now in February council identified several priority provisions to 00:14:42.560 --> 00:14:47.800 receive a work session presentation on and those items shaped what eventually became 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:54.080 the committee charges from March to May council received those presentations on various sections 00:14:54.080 --> 00:15:00.320 of the charter and directed provided direction during those work sessions and that's what 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:01.320 became the final charges. 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:05.600 In your plethora of spare time I encourage you to go back and watch each of these work 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.960 sessions so you can review the discussions and kind of the precipice of where some of 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:15.640 these charges came from and where what the intentions of council were and those actions. 00:15:15.640 --> 00:15:20.760 And then finally council approved the creation of the committee and issuance of charges in 00:15:20.760 --> 00:15:27.300 June and began the appointment process which brings us up to speed to today. 00:15:27.300 --> 00:15:33.040 Some additional background just for reference Denton's last charter election took place 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:37.360 in 2017 with a committee process similar to this one. 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:42.920 These are the amendments that were submitted to the voters of note modifying the recall 00:15:42.920 --> 00:15:50.080 petitioner threshold from 25 to 35 is the only proposition that did not pass and Prop 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:55.880 D required the adoption of the city's very first ethics movements and Prop E established 00:15:55.880 --> 00:16:01.320 a council stipend for the first time both of those items are on the charges for review 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.560 by this committee today. 00:16:03.560 --> 00:16:11.260 So moving into the creation and makeup of the committee council passed resolution 24 00:16:11.260 --> 00:16:17.560 1158 on June 4th which created the charter review committee to consider and advise the 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:23.100 council on whether and in what manner to revise the charter based on the charges set forth. 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:28.840 The resolution stipulates that the committee consists of 14 members nominated by respective 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:33.560 council members that a quorum of the committee shall be eight members and that all committee 00:16:33.560 --> 00:16:38.200 recommendations be made with a majority vote of the whole committee. 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.000 The committee will elect a chair and a chair pro tem upon convening and the chair will 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.160 have the authority to appoint subcommittees as needed. 00:16:47.160 --> 00:16:51.680 Digging a little deeper into the committee charges the first three charges are charter 00:16:51.680 --> 00:16:57.260 perfecting items they include resolving any conflicts with state law resolving vague or 00:16:57.260 --> 00:17:03.120 unclear language and replacing all instances of gendered language with non gendered language 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:08.600 legal will be working on these charges throughout the committee process and then will present 00:17:08.600 --> 00:17:14.680 all applicable changes to the committee at the October 17th meeting. 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:20.100 The book of the committee's work will center around these seven charges which are to consider 00:17:20.100 --> 00:17:24.600 and advise the council whether and in what manner to revise current charter provisions 00:17:24.600 --> 00:17:31.840 to as to modify the mix of single member and at large districts increase the two year term 00:17:31.840 --> 00:17:37.560 for council members to either three or four year terms the addition of new council seats 00:17:37.560 --> 00:17:45.880 based on population size and projected growth modifying the mayor and council stipend requiring 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.840 a statement less than 200 words on the grounds of removal for recall petitions increasing 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:56.960 the two year term of the municipal judge to a four year term and modifying the ethics 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:57.960 ordinance requirements. 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:04.600 I mentioned earlier each of these items is discussed in a council work session meeting 00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:11.000 so feel free to go back and look at those to get more context as to why they were brought 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.000 forward. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.640 And then the final charge of the committee is that the committee has the discretion to 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:20.640 review additional sections of the charter not listed in these charges and consider and 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:26.440 advise council and whether and what manner to revise them individual committee members 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:32.060 can submit additional sections they'd like to propose the committee review to staff before 00:18:32.060 --> 00:18:37.240 the August 22nd meeting all of these submissions will be shared with the full committee and 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:42.360 then items will require a majority consensus from the full committee to move forward with 00:18:42.360 --> 00:18:48.800 consideration of those items any sections that receive majority consensus will be considered 00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:55.600 by the committee at the September 19th and October 3rd committee meetings. 00:18:55.600 --> 00:19:00.600 Here's just an overall timeline for the charter election from now until November the committee 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:07.100 will meet review the charges create recommendations based on the committee's work those recommendations 00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:11.720 will be presented to council in the form of charter amendments in November and December 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:16.360 and then council will consider the recommendations and approve the final amendments to the to 00:19:16.360 --> 00:19:22.520 be submitted to the voters in January 2025 council will call the election and initiate 00:19:22.520 --> 00:19:27.540 an informational campaign the campaign will be coordinated by city staff but will rely 00:19:27.540 --> 00:19:32.940 on committee members to during this time to help us share information with the public 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:40.680 and then the election will take place on May 3rd 2025 following the election the committee 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.900 will be dissolved. 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:48.600 This is just a high level review of the articles of the charter the articles highlighted in 00:19:48.600 --> 00:19:54.680 yellow are the ones that committee charges that we have committee charges coming from 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:59.980 as you can see the charges only cover a fraction of the charter so I encourage you to review 00:19:59.980 --> 00:20:07.200 each section of the charter as you're able to and with that I will take any questions 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.920 that you guys have on that and then we'll open it up to for a nominations and chair 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.480 and chair pro tem elections. 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:26.640 Yes Mr. just out of curiosity with 14 members how would a tie be resolved because generally 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:42.280 I would have thought that there would be a lot of members yeah I think I think ultimately 00:20:42.280 --> 00:20:47.400 I'll defer to legal on that if there's any precedent there but I think ultimately a tie 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:56.520 would be a failure great question now can you send out links to the I know you get the 00:20:56.520 --> 00:21:00.960 dates of those council meetings but can you send out links to those absolutely meetings 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:06.880 and then I think you can link even to the timestamp yes so you don't have to watch the 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:11.320 whole meeting not that you shouldn't watch the whole meeting but but I think it is really 00:21:11.320 --> 00:21:17.400 informative that would be really helpful yeah that's a great idea we'll do a summary email 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:26.200 after each meeting so I'll include that in tomorrow's email any other questions so looking 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:34.560 at the 2017 election charter elections this do formulates from our recommendations like 00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:40.280 how those turn into propositions is it similar to the bond or the kind of people by light 00:21:40.280 --> 00:21:45.360 yeah well we'll be working with legal on kind of creating the language for the propositions 00:21:45.360 --> 00:21:50.240 so and Amanda will be at all of our meetings so she'll be working through that with us 00:21:50.240 --> 00:22:14.200 yeah so will the committee will present to council and three work sessions in November 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:19.000 and December what the committee's recommendations are all of those recommendations will be things 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:24.680 that the committee has received consensus on and then council will have the opportunity 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:31.680 to review and potentially send something back to the committee and you know that sort of 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:44.720 thing so council does ultimately improve what makes it to the voters okay great so with 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:54.760 that we'll move into electing a chair and chair pro tem that is item CRC two four zero 00:22:54.760 --> 00:23:00.640 zero three the chair will preside over the meetings and we'll have the ability to appoint 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:05.360 subcommittees as needed and the chair pro tem will reside in the absence of the chair 00:23:05.360 --> 00:23:11.480 and then provide additional leadership support as needed so with that I'll open it up for 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:18.620 any motions and discussions the process you can nominate yourself or someone else then 00:23:18.620 --> 00:23:23.880 you'll need a motion and a second we'll open it up for any discussion and then we'll hold 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:30.840 a voice vote Peter's hands hands up first I'd like to nominate Christine Bray for the 00:23:30.840 --> 00:23:43.720 chair position we have a second is that how that forgive me what's the procedure on that 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:51.120 yes yeah we have to vote that and then if there's another nomination wait or correct 00:23:51.120 --> 00:24:04.280 yes so we can't make another nomination discussion yeah but we will we will open it up so nomination 00:24:04.280 --> 00:24:22.080 motion second discussion so we have a nomination in the future whenever there's a you need 00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:30.920 to have your hand up before you finish talking I mean I'm just curious it is a race to get 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:57.120 your hand up yes whoever made the first nomination was obviously whoever she picked on first whoever 00:24:57.120 --> 00:25:01.600 she saw hand go up first and I'm not complaining about who that it or you know I don't have 00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:09.080 any idea I don't know very many I'm just saying that's a little bit and the lawyer in these 00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:25.420 screaming so first we'll just take nominations and then we'll move from there so we have 00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:30.120 a nomination for Christine Bray okay I have a nomination that I don't know these people 00:25:30.120 --> 00:25:37.920 at all but I know Jesse Davis you've been on the City Council before so you know how 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:44.360 to present stuff and Michelle Jones is an attorney so you know I look like a proteome 00:25:44.360 --> 00:25:52.280 above all the guidelines so that's my recommendation give me are we just doing the chair right 00:25:52.280 --> 00:26:02.240 now or are we doing both we can do both we can go ahead and do more initially he's doing 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:09.160 the chair so I would also nominate Jesse Davis as chair I think with his experience in I 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.560 mean on City Council number one obviously his educational background in political science 00:26:13.560 --> 00:26:21.000 as I mentioned earlier and he's the attorney or a attorney for you know with all the legal 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:37.240 aspects of the charter I would think he would be a good candidate for that and his experience 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:46.720 on council yeah I guess the second if that's where we're at I thought they were just asking 00:26:46.720 --> 00:27:01.160 as chair as chair or chair protect so we're doing chair and pro chair yes yes any and 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:10.960 all nominations speak now and then we'll move on to seconds and pro 10 make chance second 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:20.480 that I appreciate the nomination but even that this is my first time here and on board 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:27.720 this magnitude I'm just here really to learn process see how it goes how everybody directs 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:49.000 it and really appreciate any other nominations for chair same reason I think you keep us 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:58.960 on track I know personally I struggle with Robert's rules of order and all the different 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:08.800 things so that could be probably have something with that background make us more efficient 00:28:08.800 --> 00:28:16.080 does that nomination need a second now for Robert's rules yeah we'll just take nominations 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:22.960 and then we'll go down the list and and ask for a second do that momentarily yes you have 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:29.640 any nominations for vice chair vice chair we just have Michelle as mayor protect our pro 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:49.720 them currently okay I'd like to nominate myself as vice chair okay so our first nomination 00:28:49.720 --> 00:29:00.320 for chair was Christine Bray is there a second second and then we just vote I showed hands 00:29:00.320 --> 00:29:19.400 Christine Bray for chair that's six so that fails to requirement next we had a nomination 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:46.060 for Jesse Davis for chair you have a second and show of hands is that seven okay so also 00:29:46.060 --> 00:30:15.960 that's a 15 people that's a good question earlier yeah so yeah we had Michelle as a 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:30.100 chair drive a second second okay and show of hands this is chair this is chair yeah 00:30:30.100 --> 00:30:59.760 this is why I don't let's let's go we drop one and then and then see if the vote changes 00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:04.940 if there's only two options because there was there were some people that voted for 00:31:04.940 --> 00:31:10.980 the third candidate that was least high number that might vote for one of the other candidates 00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:16.020 if they didn't have that option yeah absolutely I think we should go forward with the chair 00:31:16.020 --> 00:31:22.560 pro tem and then see if that gets us somewhere so there was a nomination for Michelle for 00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:35.000 chair pro tem is there a second okay show of hands all right that's eight so we have 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:42.060 Michelle solidified as our chair pro tem so we'll do another vote for chair the first 00:31:42.060 --> 00:32:08.980 nomination was Christine there was a second show of hands okay seven and chair for Jesse 00:32:08.980 --> 00:32:35.460 Davis show of hands seven yeah sorry the last vote was seven for Jesse Davis and seven for 00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:40.760 Christine right I agree we didn't make it to discussion so let's open it up and maybe 00:32:40.760 --> 00:32:52.000 Jesse and Christine if you each want to say a couple of words I would like to do this 00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:01.060 because well I have immense respect for Jesse we've talked many times I I do find it perhaps 00:33:01.060 --> 00:33:06.200 imbalancing that Jesse has been on council I don't have any disagreement with his ability 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:14.160 to run meetings but given that this board relates to the functions the duties of council 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:21.400 I think that having a former council member be in that role is perhaps unbalancing and 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.500 while I'm certainly glad to have your insights on this board at large just it's that that 00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:32.080 leadership role I've done committees like this before I've done bond committee last 00:33:32.080 --> 00:33:41.140 year I'm on the Board of Adjustments where I've led several votes in there so I believe 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:46.340 that I'm capable of executing this role thank you likewise want to reciprocate your respect 00:33:46.340 --> 00:33:52.860 I'm glad we're serving another committee together the I think the I take the opposite view but 00:33:52.860 --> 00:33:57.840 the council experience because what we're talking about is something that we will be 00:33:57.840 --> 00:34:04.660 recommending perhaps contrary to the wishes of some of the council members there was none 00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:07.940 there were very few of these items that are coming to us that were unanimous that also 00:34:07.940 --> 00:34:12.420 all seven council members wanted to see on this chart so whatever did the recommendation 00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:18.140 this committee is it will be part of the role of this committee to go and put that in front 00:34:18.140 --> 00:34:23.620 of the city council it's for clear to your point you said well how's the how's the wording 00:34:23.620 --> 00:34:28.020 work you know what's it going to be city council will set the wording they will not take our 00:34:28.020 --> 00:34:33.220 wording directly they'll take what the attorney's advice is and our recommendations and they 00:34:33.220 --> 00:34:37.940 will craft the wording just like what happened with the bond committee the bond wasn't presented 00:34:37.940 --> 00:34:42.700 exactly like the committee really put forward the council kind of crafted a little bit one 00:34:42.700 --> 00:34:47.620 of those things didn't pass so I think that's an important aspect that I bring is how to 00:34:47.620 --> 00:34:53.300 liaise with the council council members that are there my former colleagues and then I 00:34:53.300 --> 00:34:58.020 I'm in the uncomfortable position of having to kind of give you my resume a little bit 00:34:58.020 --> 00:35:05.740 but I do have degrees in government in law I have a lot of experience long state experience 00:35:05.740 --> 00:35:11.540 chairing bodies like this where you have frank tough conversations and you have to do so 00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:17.580 in a way that is respectful of everybody's time and expertise and that whether you have 00:35:17.580 --> 00:35:22.100 a law degree or whether you don't your voice is just as important on this committee and 00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:26.820 the community that you represent is just as important on this committee and I think that's 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:33.660 a really maybe a different or a unique aspect of a committee like this is that you have 00:35:33.660 --> 00:35:39.380 to in a city like Denton at a time like today pull all of those perspectives together and 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:43.220 make sure everybody's well represented and that's a particular experience that I have 00:35:43.220 --> 00:35:51.020 here. Thank you. Is there any other discussion on that? Yes. Having also been on the most 00:35:51.020 --> 00:35:59.260 recent body committee and knowing how that process during committee presenting it to 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:11.940 council and finally got on the ballot etc. As Jessie relates you have to I'm not going 00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:20.000 to say coach words but I may say a word that says upstart and someone else may totally 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:30.500 take it different on council. So his past expertise with knowing those initial nuances 00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:39.820 which is so that things can progress and we can meet the needs of the directive I think 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:47.500 would be beneficial. I just want to say for Christine when you talk about being prepared 00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:51.940 and doing homework I don't know anybody and I'm not saying that this is from my experience 00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:57.260 in this community who does more homework who is more out there in their community doing 00:36:57.260 --> 00:37:03.560 the work to have those conversations to a lot of experience on boards I just know that 00:37:03.560 --> 00:37:08.380 if we slip Christine will bring us back up to the table so that's why I support Christine 00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:15.580 first of all. I'd like to also say as far as the expertise goes I personally trust city 00:37:15.580 --> 00:37:19.820 staff and our city attorneys to do the work make sure that we're prepared and to properly 00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:24.180 prepare all of us and fill the gaps of information so I'm not so concerned of that I think it's 00:37:24.180 --> 00:37:27.940 wonderful that we have an attorney as our vice chair I think it'd be great if our chair 00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:33.300 could not be an attorney since we have a disproportionate amount of attorneys on this committee someone 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:39.020 who understands the average experience of somebody in debt because at the end of the 00:37:39.020 --> 00:37:43.020 day this has to be a cross-section of the community and we've got two attorneys sitting 00:37:43.020 --> 00:37:48.100 as our chair and vice chair that doesn't necessarily look like our community. I say that as an 00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:57.220 attorney. Well you know my opinion is that there's going to be a lot of legal stuff that 00:37:57.220 --> 00:38:03.580 happens and we have to come up with all the wording and all that stuff so I'm not afraid 00:38:03.580 --> 00:38:08.260 of having another attorney to run it because they're used to looking at all this stuff 00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:20.100 all the time so that's my opinion. Given that we do have all these attorneys on this committee 00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:25.260 wouldn't the chair have to run that information about the committee as a whole and be able 00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:34.060 to overlook whatever the verbiage is that needs to be said to the city council and I 00:38:34.060 --> 00:38:44.220 think that giving somebody without the attorney's perspective to lay it out on what they think 00:38:44.220 --> 00:38:52.780 and what they feel and then give it to the attorneys to look over to make sure that it's 00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:59.300 what needs to go in front of the council with them to work together. Two people with the 00:38:59.300 --> 00:39:09.700 same goal or two different perspectives making them one. I think that would be good. Just 00:39:09.700 --> 00:39:15.220 another quick thought too we have legal here so I mean I you know and I'm not whatever 00:39:15.220 --> 00:39:19.700 profession or whatever you're in but that's going to be my when I'm looking for the legal 00:39:19.700 --> 00:39:24.740 I'm looking there. That's the way I look at this so I I like a little bit of diversity 00:39:24.740 --> 00:39:35.060 too. So if I can speak I would when Jesse talks he spoke more about what his qualifications 00:39:35.060 --> 00:39:41.140 were forget the legal piece of it I think his experience with municipalities government 00:39:41.140 --> 00:39:48.660 agencies working in them not alongside the fact that he's been on council and understands 00:39:48.660 --> 00:39:52.380 things that there's probably a lot of people in this room are not aware of or have not 00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:58.460 experienced I think that gives you know him a little bit of a leg up to to try to help 00:39:58.460 --> 00:40:02.420 us navigate through that process and just for that reason I think he would probably 00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:14.700 be the best. Not to mention I didn't really hear a lot of reason why you know I'm pursuing 00:40:14.700 --> 00:40:24.220 what the qualifications were for for the chair position necessarily I mean more heard of 00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:30.260 the of an issue of why someone else should not be in it as opposed to why they shouldn't 00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:37.220 be in it. Christine could you repeat your qualifications for the committee all the different 00:40:37.220 --> 00:40:43.140 boards you served on. Sure I've been on traffic safety which no longer exists anymore it's 00:40:43.140 --> 00:40:48.480 now mobility at Koch committee with city council that I serve on. I've served on zoning board 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:55.140 of adjustments the bond 2023 program I've done Denton 360 academy Denton citizens police 00:40:55.140 --> 00:41:01.660 academy and I've written many many pages of policy briefs for city council to consider 00:41:01.660 --> 00:41:11.100 as well on various issues. Thank you. And I you know obviously appreciate the public 00:41:11.100 --> 00:41:16.940 service but that's a big aspect of it that you and Jesse both have. I guess I have to 00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:27.780 you know the attorney hate oh my gosh and I do hope I concur with Gabe or Gabriel that 00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:35.340 I don't anticipate drafting or being involved in the details I do hope that staff I don't 00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:41.020 think anybody's looking to to me and I'm not here really in a role as an attorney I'm here 00:41:41.020 --> 00:41:46.380 as a citizen and that's what I hope to offer as a perspective of having lived here for 00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:54.740 you know 17 20 years 21 years so that's my role and I think you know Jesse was bringing 00:41:54.740 --> 00:42:00.100 that perspective also as a citizen somebody born and raised here and so I think it's that 00:42:00.100 --> 00:42:05.660 qualification and I do think the being a part of council when we're talking about what is 00:42:05.660 --> 00:42:11.740 attractive to people that want to run as a council member you know we're going to be 00:42:11.740 --> 00:42:16.700 talking about stipends the term of service what kind of burden that puts on you and I 00:42:16.700 --> 00:42:23.260 think he does really offer a unique position perspective having served in that role and 00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:35.140 gone through that so I think that makes him uniquely qualified to serve as to. May I offer 00:42:35.140 --> 00:42:43.060 this really is a Robert's Rules of Order and now but doing this is electing both a chair 00:42:43.060 --> 00:42:51.060 and a pro tem within the same in the nominees to me is a little bit different than anything 00:42:51.060 --> 00:42:59.980 else I have partaken in it's usually you elect one and then you go to the other since the 00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:08.100 first vote so I will put this out as a since the first vote had Christine having six and 00:43:08.100 --> 00:43:31.060 Jesse having seven could we then take it that Jesse would be this is what I'm putting forth 00:43:31.060 --> 00:43:39.980 if we can't come to an impasse let's nominate Michelle is I think that's exactly what happens 00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:47.140 if there's not a chair elected correct yeah and I wanted to make sure everybody the discussion 00:43:47.140 --> 00:43:54.340 everybody had an opportunity to say whatever they wanted to say but moving forward if we 00:43:54.340 --> 00:44:00.820 can do it one more vote for Jesse and Christine if we'd like if we're all set with our votes 00:44:00.820 --> 00:44:06.900 as are as they are then we'll move forward with Michelle as chair and come back at our 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:12.000 next meeting and we can hold another election if we if we need to or we can just move forward 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:17.580 with Michelle as our chair yes sorry just Christine got a chance to kind of go back 00:44:17.580 --> 00:44:21.780 over the resume points a little bit and I don't know who I'm speaking to or persuading 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:27.780 at this point for seven to seven but just just everybody knows the the experience that 00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:32.140 I'm trying to put forward here isn't just as a council member as a lawyer but as someone 00:44:32.140 --> 00:44:40.540 who has chaired meetings and drafted governing documents as a side hustle unpaid side hustle 00:44:40.540 --> 00:44:46.980 for 20 plus years I mean since high school and college student body president North Texas 00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:52.700 chair just about every kind of meeting you can think of since then and that's the particular 00:44:52.700 --> 00:44:56.260 qualification we're looking for now is not someone who's going to rewrite the chart not 00:44:56.260 --> 00:45:00.100 something who's going to pass legal muster on the chart but someone who's going to preside 00:45:00.100 --> 00:45:04.980 over the meetings and make sure everybody gets their voice heard and the person who's 00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:11.060 going to go in front of council with staff and help present this and when council says 00:45:11.060 --> 00:45:15.340 you know gosh I don't know stand up for this committee whether it's the chairs preferred 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:19.980 position or not to go in front of council and tell them this is what the body you put 00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:25.780 together had to say and those are the particular qualifications I think we're looking for each 00:45:25.780 --> 00:45:37.060 other any other discussion and will hold another vote for chair and if we're at the same impasse 00:45:37.060 --> 00:45:41.620 we'll move forward with Michelle as our chair for now as our chair pro tem because that's 00:45:41.620 --> 00:45:47.140 the role of the chair pro tem to in the absence of a chair preside over the meetings so that's 00:45:47.140 --> 00:45:52.740 how we'll move forward and we can come back at our next meeting and go from there how 00:45:52.740 --> 00:46:08.340 does that sound okay so for jesse davis's chair show of hands okay seven and Christine 00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:24.900 just for process okay congratulations michelle i appreciate everybody sharing all of their 00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:30.660 all of their thoughts and opinions and you know i think even with this you know kind 00:46:30.660 --> 00:46:35.380 of pick up we're going to move forward and be thoughtful and kind and respectful and 00:46:35.380 --> 00:46:42.660 appreciate that everybody so uh with that we will move forward to housekeeping items 00:46:42.660 --> 00:46:54.100 item crc 24 004 attendance and quorum eight committee members will constitute a quorum 00:46:54.100 --> 00:47:01.140 per section 2.83 of the debt and city code members who cannot attend a meeting must make 00:47:01.140 --> 00:47:06.740 contact must contact the chairperson or staff liaison to inform them of their absence to 00:47:06.740 --> 00:47:12.340 make this easy for committee members i'm going to have copies of a notification of absence form 00:47:12.340 --> 00:47:17.380 at every meeting and there's a meeting that you're planning on missing if you know ahead of time 00:47:17.380 --> 00:47:24.020 ask me for the form fill it out the requirement is for an excused absence you just have to 00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:31.300 turn it in within 10 before 10 days before the next meeting notification of absence are subject 00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:38.340 for review by council and members that have too many unexcused absences may be subject to removal 00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:45.060 by council the texas open meetings act committee members should complete the texas open meetings 00:47:45.060 --> 00:47:50.900 act training within 90 days of taking the oath of office please make sure you email your certificate 00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:58.500 to the city secretary upon completion and committee procedures now that we've elected a 00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:04.500 chair pro tem they will preside over the meeting in the absence of a chair committee meetings will 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:10.420 begin promptly at 5 30 and dinner will be available outside of the room each meeting 00:48:10.420 --> 00:48:15.460 and will always be available starting at five so feel free to get here early grab dinner 00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:21.700 hang out during the meeting please feel free to step out for a break if you need to we've only 00:48:21.700 --> 00:48:26.820 allotted an hour and a 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00:50:46.180 --> 00:50:51.940 meeting for public comment up to five members of the public will be allowed to speak for up to two 00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:58.100 minutes members of the public wishing to speak should arrive early and complete a speaker form 00:50:58.100 --> 00:51:03.940 and turn it into staff before the meeting is called to order additionally there is an option 00:51:03.940 --> 00:51:10.580 for e-comments to be made available to the public should the committee provide direction to do so 00:51:10.580 --> 00:51:18.180 e-comment will be made available once an agenda is posted and then all comments would go directly to 00:51:18.180 --> 00:51:24.740 committee members city email addresses and then lastly on committee procedures and decorum 00:51:24.740 --> 00:51:30.180 we'll be spending a lot of time together over the next several months and I know that none of us 00:51:30.180 --> 00:51:37.860 exist in a vacuum external events and influences will inevitably impact us but it's a it's important 00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:43.460 that we don't let that undermine mutual respect and the working relationships we have in this room 00:51:43.460 --> 00:51:48.420 I ask that as a group we remain thoughtful respectful and kind in our interactions with 00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:54.020 each other even as difficult and contentious topics are discussed we're all here because we 00:51:54.020 --> 00:51:59.780 care about didn't and our community and I'd like for us to let that be our grounding and guiding 00:51:59.780 --> 00:52:06.740 principle as we move forward and then the meeting schedule there's a copy of the meeting schedule 00:52:06.740 --> 00:52:11.620 in the front tab of your binder all of our meetings will be held here at the development 00:52:11.620 --> 00:52:17.700 services building from 5 30 to 7 in order to respect everyone's time we'll be sticking to the 00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:23.940 meeting times and not going over just so you'll have an idea of what our content schedule is 00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:30.660 this is the schedule of what charges we'll be covering and when I'd like to note that first 00:52:30.660 --> 00:52:36.820 on the list are modifying the mix of single member and at-large districts and the need for 00:52:36.820 --> 00:52:42.820 new council seats based on population because both of these items are heavily impacted by state and 00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:48.900 federal laws if the committee decides to move forward with modifications to these items the 00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:54.820 city will need to consult outside legal counsel to ensure that all election laws are complied with 00:52:54.820 --> 00:53:00.340 so we're tackling those big issues first so to allot for time if we need to employ outside council 00:53:02.420 --> 00:53:07.540 and you'll also notice that there are three placeholder slots for any additional sections 00:53:07.540 --> 00:53:12.260 with committee consensus to review this is where those items that you submit 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:18.260 through the surveys by august 22nd will be placed should they received committee consensus 00:53:18.260 --> 00:53:27.220 and then lastly any questions received during the meeting that cannot be answered during the meeting 00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:32.340 will be answered within 24 hours following the meeting and will be shared with the entire 00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:39.220 committee by email so I know that is a lot of information I appreciate all of your time and 00:53:39.220 --> 00:53:45.860 attention and you guys taking the time out of your lives to do this with us if you have questions 00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:52.820 um I'll stick around for as long as you need otherwise I will turn it back over to the chair 00:53:52.820 --> 00:54:04.180 pro tem to adjourn that's all you have to do today absolutely um my last thing is just a reminder 00:54:04.180 --> 00:54:10.740 that our next meeting is thursday august 8th here and those are the topics so questions 00:54:12.340 --> 00:54:24.820 I go first okay um so next week we have the section two review right so not knowing exactly 00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:31.300 what the schedule was for this kind of looking through stuff ahead of time can we ask can we 00:54:31.300 --> 00:54:37.940 get questions down maybe in the in the meeting prior about that topic does that make sense or 00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:42.580 we need to keep that in because one of the questions that kind of came to my mind was you know we have 00:54:42.580 --> 00:54:49.700 the population I'm sure we have similar cities that have a similar population similar mix like 00:54:49.700 --> 00:54:54.580 what's their mix like what's their charter what's that because I think you kind of need to know that 00:54:54.580 --> 00:55:00.340 to make a informed decision almost like you know in business we would say well what's the best 00:55:00.340 --> 00:55:07.140 practice on that right like what do we think or at least have some reference yeah yeah absolutely so 00:55:07.140 --> 00:55:14.020 every meeting when we go over a new topic I'll do a presentation with kind of the basics of what 00:55:14.020 --> 00:55:20.020 and for example you know what other cities what comparable cities are doing what recommendations 00:55:20.020 --> 00:55:24.420 there are from the national league of cities that sort of stuff so staff will bring that 00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:31.620 to you all before we ever ask you to make a decision um and then I think to answer your 00:55:31.620 --> 00:55:38.580 question we can have an um an option in the survey that we send out after each meeting that says do 00:55:38.580 --> 00:55:44.100 you have any questions on the topic for the next meeting so that staff can be sure to address those 00:55:44.100 --> 00:55:49.940 in the meeting would then that be sent to all of us yes 00:55:57.140 --> 00:56:02.820 so to that end we have staff available for research may I provide a question now 00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:09.460 because it has to do with the population size of objective growth for the next meeting 00:56:09.460 --> 00:56:21.540 can we find out what is the population for umt and twu in regard to student populations 00:56:21.540 --> 00:56:23.700 absolutely 00:56:26.260 --> 00:56:33.460 out of respect for y'all's time um what would be ideally the best like the last day to send in 00:56:33.460 --> 00:56:39.700 a query before we're set to meet in order for you to have and I know you said 24 hours but I want 00:56:39.700 --> 00:56:43.940 to make sure you'll have more how to go about your presentations 00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:50.180 yeah I'd say 24 to 48 hours before the meeting 00:56:52.420 --> 00:56:56.740 when was the deadline to submit new things August 22nd 00:56:56.740 --> 00:57:09.060 yes um two two quick things Peter actually that's a I love the way you phrased that you know out of 00:57:09.060 --> 00:57:14.260 respect for staff's time one thing I will point out and I don't want to raise too many eyebrows 00:57:14.260 --> 00:57:19.780 by saying this but this committee belongs to us and to the citizens so if there's a burning question 00:57:19.780 --> 00:57:24.100 that pops up don't expect that you're going to have your answer at the very next meeting 00:57:24.100 --> 00:57:31.060 but that 24 hours it is a is a courtesy we don't have to vote on anything we don't have to move 00:57:31.060 --> 00:57:37.540 forward to the next agenda item we don't have to this is a template of what we should do but if we 00:57:37.540 --> 00:57:42.340 need more time on something if we need to go back to our folks and talk to more people this is this 00:57:42.340 --> 00:57:49.460 is a suggested guideline so we shouldn't feel again I'm not freaking staff out we shouldn't feel 00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:53.860 dead stuck on this if we don't feel comfortable revising the charter in a certain way we're not 00:57:53.860 --> 00:57:59.060 there as a group and we can't expect that the council of citizens to be there other kind of 00:57:59.060 --> 00:58:05.540 cautionary thing I would remind people about is we talked about the open meetings act um when you 00:58:05.540 --> 00:58:08.100 have to take the training but what they're going to tell you in the training some of you all have 00:58:08.100 --> 00:58:14.260 been on boards and stuff a lot and some haven't um that means that you cannot speak with a quorum 00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:20.180 of people outside the meeting if you're going to talk with that many people it has to be in the 00:58:20.180 --> 00:58:25.860 meeting if seven people meet for coffee great they can't talk about these topics that also 00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:30.500 means there's something called a walking quorum that I can't talk to my council member about 00:58:30.500 --> 00:58:35.700 something and then have seven six other people seven other people to make a quorum go and talk 00:58:35.700 --> 00:58:40.580 to that same council member about the same thing that creates a walking quorum I can't go to staff 00:58:40.580 --> 00:58:45.700 I even think it's a passing along I agree like you can't talk to me and then I talk to 00:58:45.700 --> 00:58:50.740 Gabe and then he talks to Nate I don't I think that's even a walking one you get that I think 00:58:50.740 --> 00:58:54.580 you're right if you get that eight together however they're put together even if you don't 00:58:54.580 --> 00:59:02.980 know that you're part of that eight so to that end no reply alls to the email switch that um 00:59:02.980 --> 00:59:08.820 no Facebook groups no um conversations with your with your people and your communities vital 00:59:09.540 --> 00:59:14.500 but be very very careful that walking quorum because if we do that if we have a lot of table 00:59:14.500 --> 00:59:20.100 talk and side talk that really undermines what the people but the citizens think about this community 00:59:20.100 --> 00:59:24.420 and the trust that they have in our work that we do and then eventually this is what they're 00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:29.300 going to have to vote on so I know that sounds like a lawyer thing to say follow the law but I'm 00:59:29.300 --> 00:59:34.420 telling you it's important those laws exist for transparency and people don't have trust in things 00:59:34.420 --> 00:59:41.060 you do off to the side I understand that and I heard that but how am I going to know when 00:59:41.060 --> 00:59:44.740 I talk to my city council that some other people want to talk to him about the same thing 00:59:44.740 --> 00:59:51.540 my advice me personally trust your city council member to make their decision based on their 00:59:51.540 --> 00:59:56.740 constituents and the report back from the committee so like they they put us on here and I will tell 00:59:56.740 --> 01:00:03.380 my city councilman the city council member this right to her face I'm on I got pointed here to 01:00:03.940 --> 01:00:09.860 beat for my folks and represent my community and to work with y'all to come up with a recommendation 01:00:09.860 --> 01:00:16.340 not to be my city council member's little robot so I'll report back and all that kind of stuff but 01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:21.220 we take our direction from the citizens and then the city council will get their chance to vote on 01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:28.340 it and then the citizens will get their chance to move on it I promise you'll learn more talking 01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:35.940 your neighbors and I was just wondering how it would work I have a more practical question back 01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:44.820 to Ryan's comment earlier so next the next meeting we would anticipate having a presentation 01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:53.860 on what say McKinney, Lewisville, other other similar sized cities do as far as the mix of 01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:59.540 single members and at large and we would have a presentation maybe on the demographics of 01:00:59.540 --> 01:01:04.980 and I would definitely think we want to include our colleges but also if the city and growth 01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:12.740 projections would that be also part of that presentation so we're going to receive a lot 01:01:12.740 --> 01:01:18.340 of information from staff yeah yeah we're going to give you as much information as you can 01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:25.620 specifically on these as we can um specifically on these items there may be stuff that we need to 01:01:25.620 --> 01:01:31.700 employ outside council for but um Amanda and I will be giving you everything that we have 01:01:31.700 --> 01:01:37.540 and similarly you mentioned the national association of cities maybe or something 01:01:37.540 --> 01:01:44.980 I think tml do they also put forward best practices and considerations yes we get all 01:01:45.860 --> 01:01:50.580 yes okay that sounds great I just recommend reading they're available freely online so 01:01:50.580 --> 01:01:55.700 I'm reading through them um they do address several topics that we have planned for discussion 01:01:55.700 --> 01:02:04.820 so sounds good thank you okay what other questions do you guys have 01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:13.540 okay if you are going to miss me is available by zoom or 01:02:14.980 --> 01:02:19.060 we we will be live streamed I don't know that we have the capability to 01:02:19.060 --> 01:02:27.620 have members zoom in so you could watch it on the live stream but it would still be considered an 01:02:27.620 --> 01:02:33.780 absence I can check with our team on that and if we know in advance like I know one day just 01:02:33.780 --> 01:02:39.140 let you know yep I have the forms so if you if you have a vacation plan holidays whatever 01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:45.060 um I have those forms so just ask any time and I'll send it I'll send it to you electronically or 01:02:45.060 --> 01:02:56.180 have a personally here okay so I move to adjourn yes yeah I have uh I have a one sheet one major 01:02:56.180 --> 01:03:08.820 for you for you to say right here at the bottom if there is no other business I will now adjourn the 01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:17.780 meeting at 6 39 p.m sorry I do not need emotion I think