1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,020 Alright well go ahead and get started, Lauren is still going to be running around and grabbing 2 00:00:08,020 --> 00:00:14,740 any final paperwork from you all but just want to make you aware that starting at 5 3 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:21,180 30 every evening that we're in here the mics will be hot so we're not utilizing any hand 4 00:00:21,180 --> 00:00:27,700 held mics, the room is mic'd and the meeting is live streamed so they'll pick up on you 5 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:31,080 you know even the littlest things so just be mindful of that whenever you come in every 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:37,280 evening and then whenever you are intending to speak speak you know with some projection 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,360 and loud enough so that the whole room can hear you so we'll go ahead and get started 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,280 and seeing that we have a quorum present I'll call the regular meeting of the charter review 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:59,640 committee to order at 5 37 p.m. the first item on our agenda is CRC 24001 welcome remarks 10 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,960 and introductions of the committee members and staff good evening everyone and welcome 11 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:09,440 to the first meeting of the charter review committee I'm Christy Fogel I'm the chief 12 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,560 of staff at the city of Denton and I'll be the staff liaison for the committee throughout 13 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,440 its work I want to start out by thanking you all for agreeing to serve the city in this 14 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,360 capacity the charter is the foundational and guiding document of the city and the opportunity 15 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:31,640 for us to review it is and revise it is should not be taken lightly whether it's immediate 16 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,600 or obvious or not the decisions the committee will make over the next couple of months will 17 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:43,000 have a lasting effect on the city and its people and we rely heavily on engaged residents 18 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,880 like you all to weigh in and lead the city in the right direction so before we jump into 19 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,040 our agenda I'd like us to go around the room and introduce ourselves so we can get acquainted 20 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,440 if you can please share your name and then something that you love about Denton we're 21 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:04,280 all here to serve the city and I think we can all agree it's a great place to be and 22 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,200 we're working towards a great future so I'll start Christy Fogel I just moved back to Denton 23 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:16,040 from Austin born and raised here but moved back in January for this job so really excited 24 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,960 to be here and one of my favorite things about Denton is the food specifically Fuzzy's tacos 25 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:29,040 which cater tonight so shameless plug just my favorite I get I'm not sponsored by them 26 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,800 so yeah if we want to go around the room starting over here and just introduce yourself and 27 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,120 anything that you love about Denton and activity you like doing here or you know favorite restaurants 28 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,120 etc. 29 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,800 My name is Margarita Banegas and I work for UNT I went to school here left for several 30 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,880 years and then came back and one of my favorite things about Denton is the public parks and 31 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,600 recreation options available I love Clear Creek when it's not completely flooded is my favorite 32 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,600 place to be. 33 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:06,440 My name is Waver McClure I'm on education and pharmacy I've been here since 1989 and 34 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:13,840 it's always been pretty much about the people how nice they are how to get along with them 35 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:20,600 working with the city at times with some things or projects I've had. 36 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:27,000 I'm Jane Siegel and I'm originally from Delaware most people don't even know where that is 37 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:36,680 I came to Denton in 1978 and went to then it was North Texas State now it's UNT I got 38 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:43,040 my master's degree there I lived and worked in Denton since that time and I'm now retired 39 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:50,600 and what I love about Denton is Denton Boys baseball because my parents have played. 40 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:57,280 I'm Brian VanBalk from Peterbilt and others I've been with Peterbilt for 19 years that's 41 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,400 what brought me to Denton basically grew up in West Texas but relocated here after being 42 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,200 in the Marine Corps so I got a job at Peterbilt so I've been here for been living in Denton 43 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,040 for 15 years so the thing a little about Denton is just the community and just the mix of 44 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,440 big and small businesses as well as the square and the hearts it's everything it's just a 45 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:25,400 very unique community that I think is very close for the size that it's right so it's 46 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:37,240 even bigger but you still have a very family atmosphere my name is Nathan Johnson I was 47 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,520 born and raised here in Denton and what I love about Denton is home no matter where 48 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:54,640 I go in the country visit always come home so that's my name is Gabriel Kirkpatrick 49 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,840 or Gabe as the sign either is fine I was born in Texas moved around a little bit growing 50 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:05,560 up in fact when I went off to college at Florida State I thought my Texas days may be over 51 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,120 but then my niece was born and took a job at UNT I've been back ever since one of the 52 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,600 things that I love about Denton is just that even though we do have that small townfield 53 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,360 there's so many people here and I'm meeting new people every day and it's just I've always 54 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,000 liked the vibe here this is home it's been home since 2003 and this is I see this is 55 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,380 a great opportunity to give service back to the community that I love I'm Michelle Jones 56 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:42,920 and I started practicing law here in 1993 and moved here in 2004 and I've always loved 57 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:48,880 it and I love the food I love the community I love music I love that it's a college town 58 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:55,920 it's been a great great place my name is Jesse Davis I'm also a hometown person I see so 59 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,720 many of us in the room it's really cool and I'll start off but that's kind of my favorite 60 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,200 thing about Denton is like you said you go away and you come back you travel and you 61 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,640 run into people who know where your hometown's from and not everybody gets to be you know 62 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,240 to grow up in a place that is as special and as unique as Denton is not that all y'all's 63 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:20,320 other hometowns aren't great but Denton is a very special mix of people it's a really 64 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,160 different mix of people than you run into in other places even other places in Texas 65 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:31,440 so I grew up here went to Denton high school I went to UNT got a poli sci degree there 66 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,520 worked in DC for a couple years my wife and I got married and we went to Waco where I 67 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,640 went to law school and then I got my dream job right out of school here at the DA's office 68 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:48,240 in County County so I've been doing the public service thing ever since. 69 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:58,080 I'm Julie Romsky we relocated here from Dayton Ohio in 2010 no excuse me 2014 we started 70 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,000 looking in 2010 okay. 71 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Needles to say Denton won out as to where to relocate because we are retired it's very 72 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:20,400 interesting meet location what with having two major universities learning that UNT has 73 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:28,800 a world-renowned music center which we partake in when they have things and just all in all 74 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:36,040 like it's been said it was very unique interesting wonderful people that we've met and we were 75 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:42,880 rather active in civic affairs and that back in Dayton and we appreciate the opportunity 76 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:50,400 to continue this by say being on this committee and hopefully something else in the future. 77 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:57,840 My name is Angela Brewer Isma I am also a hometown girl I grew up in Denton two-time 78 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:04,620 graduate of the University of North Texas and I currently teach at UNT and there are so 79 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:08,640 many things that I love about Denton like some of you I was here and I went away and 80 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,240 I came back and I went away and I came back and I came back because this is where I wanted 81 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,320 to raise my son and so once we had a kiddo this is where we decided we wanted to settle 82 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,360 down there's so many things I love about this town and the mean green part of my heart wants 83 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,880 to say UNT is one of my favorite parts of Denton Texas but this afternoon I was at a 84 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Harry Potter library program over at South Bridge library so I'm gonna go with library 85 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,480 parks and rec as my favorite Denton stuff. 86 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,000 My name is Peter Mungiguera I'm originally from Flyermount Texas which is where I met 87 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,080 my wife Bailey we went to high school we both went off to Baylor University together where 88 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,920 I studied polysci in undergrad and then also went on to law school Baylor University came 89 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,520 back to Denton to raise or Denton County to raise our family you know when it came time 90 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,040 to buy our first home we knew the city of Denton was going to be the best place to raise 91 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,200 our young son who's 11 months old and what we really like about Denton is that similar 92 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,240 to Waco it's got a good small town feel but it's got big city amenities so we love that 93 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,920 it's still small town like everybody knows everybody but there's plenty of stuff to do 94 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,920 so happy to be here. 95 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Hi my name's Leslie I moved to Denton in 2016 after college met my husband and now are raising 96 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,520 two kids here Denton is the first place I lived as an adult and sort of come home really 97 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,720 quickly I just love the vibe getting to experiences like a young person and now is more I'm an 98 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,760 adult I love just like the spectrum of events or something for everyone here and my favorite 99 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,680 thing about Denton is the tree lighting I love getting to live through the replacement 100 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,720 of the tree and the drama that that was and now getting to watch the new tree grow up 101 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,880 with my kids like the tree gets bigger my kids get bigger and that's just something 102 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,840 that's like a really awesome core memory for me. 103 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,680 My name is Christine Frey I moved to Denton a couple of years back I've since been on 104 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:06,680 the zoning board of justice mobility committee, bond committee last year I enjoy a lot of 105 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:13,320 so much of what you guys have said about Denton but one thing that I really deeply appreciate 106 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:19,320 is as a transgender person there's a lot of places that just are not safe for me I recently 107 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:26,040 did a trip where I stopped in a town and waited in line at a Popeyes and the man behind me 108 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,240 stared at me stared me down for the entire time I was lying and figured it was gone. 109 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,240 I can say that's never happened to me in Denton so that's something that's very important 110 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,880 to me about Denton and that I very much appreciate. 111 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:47,320 My name is Jeremy Fikes I moved to Denton in 1992 both my parents worked at Peterbilt 112 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,800 they've since retired but went to North Texas went to Denton High went to Calhoun in reverse 113 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,800 order. 114 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:05,080 I got my undergrad and masters at North Texas went into banking while I was in college still 115 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:11,160 in banking to this day I'm the market president for parent banking trust here in Denton I've 116 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:19,800 grown to enjoy you know the college sports in Denton the business community just working 117 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,800 in the fellowship and all the people that we see out you know restaurants at night and 118 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,960 also you know it you get work with them during the day so I just enjoy the people of Denton. 119 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:37,560 Thank you thank you all for sharing a little bit of your you know personal likes with us 120 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:41,360 and we'll be getting to know each other more and more as we spend more time together. 121 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,420 I do want to give our other staff a chance to enter introduce themselves so Amanda. 122 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:52,440 Hi I'm Amanda Brown I'm the deputy dean here for the city of Denton I think my favorite 123 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,800 thing about Denton is the people that I work with here and the amount of community engagement 124 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:03,640 that the residents here provide I mean there's a lot of that so it's been very interesting 125 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:09,520 it's very fun so I'd be really happy to be here. 126 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:18,120 Lawrence Modell, the city secretary recently moved to Texas from New York so it's a bit 127 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,320 of a big move but happy to be here excited to be raising my family here I absolutely 128 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:32,660 love the people I work with I love the citizens here the involvement is incredible and it's 129 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:41,560 very welcoming and I do appreciate the transparency that the city of Denton has and the engagement 130 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:46,920 that they have with the citizenry that's actually what in part drew me even to apply for the 131 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:53,960 position at the outset so I'm not licensed yet here in Texas I am also an attorney in 132 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,960 New York. 133 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:04,800 It's fun to learn different law I'm Jesse Kent I'm an assistant to the city manager 134 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:11,600 like many of you I've also lived in Denton and moved away went to UNT my wife and I had 135 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,920 our first date at Jupiter House back when it used to say be nice to the hipsters they're 136 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:29,320 doing the best I can so excited to get to meet you all and learn more about what you 137 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,320 all do for the city. 138 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,320 Thanks. 139 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,320 All right here's just a quick recap of our meeting agenda we'll review the purpose of 140 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,960 the charter committee as well as the charges set forth by council and the Denton City Charter 141 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,880 Committee and then we'll hold an election for a chair and a chair pro temp of the committee 142 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,800 and then lastly we'll review just some housekeeping committee procedures so we're all on the same 143 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,960 page moving forward and while we operate momentarily without a chair I'd like to ask that you just 144 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,040 write down any questions you have as I go through this first part of the presentation 145 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,560 and I'll open it up for questions at the end and we can have a discussion about that. 146 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:12,760 So next on our agenda is item CRC 24002 receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the 147 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,520 creation and purpose of the charter review committee and review Denton City Charter and 148 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,520 committee charges. 149 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:24,200 A little bit of background here the proposal to conduct a charter review started as a two 150 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:30,080 minute pitch back in August of 2023 and from there council directed two work sessions on 151 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,600 the topic and in January 2024 council provided direction on the process and timeline that 152 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:42,560 we're working off of now in February council identified several priority provisions to 153 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,800 receive a work session presentation on and those items shaped what eventually became 154 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:54,080 the committee charges from March to May council received those presentations on various sections 155 00:14:54,080 --> 00:15:00,320 of the charter and directed provided direction during those work sessions and that's what 156 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,320 became the final charges. 157 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,600 In your plethora of spare time I encourage you to go back and watch each of these work 158 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,960 sessions so you can review the discussions and kind of the precipice of where some of 159 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:15,640 these charges came from and where what the intentions of council were and those actions. 160 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,760 And then finally council approved the creation of the committee and issuance of charges in 161 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:27,300 June and began the appointment process which brings us up to speed to today. 162 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:33,040 Some additional background just for reference Denton's last charter election took place 163 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,360 in 2017 with a committee process similar to this one. 164 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,920 These are the amendments that were submitted to the voters of note modifying the recall 165 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:50,080 petitioner threshold from 25 to 35 is the only proposition that did not pass and Prop 166 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:55,880 D required the adoption of the city's very first ethics movements and Prop E established 167 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:01,320 a council stipend for the first time both of those items are on the charges for review 168 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,560 by this committee today. 169 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:11,260 So moving into the creation and makeup of the committee council passed resolution 24 170 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:17,560 1158 on June 4th which created the charter review committee to consider and advise the 171 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,100 council on whether and in what manner to revise the charter based on the charges set forth. 172 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:28,840 The resolution stipulates that the committee consists of 14 members nominated by respective 173 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,560 council members that a quorum of the committee shall be eight members and that all committee 174 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,200 recommendations be made with a majority vote of the whole committee. 175 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,000 The committee will elect a chair and a chair pro tem upon convening and the chair will 176 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,160 have the authority to appoint subcommittees as needed. 177 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,680 Digging a little deeper into the committee charges the first three charges are charter 178 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:57,260 perfecting items they include resolving any conflicts with state law resolving vague or 179 00:16:57,260 --> 00:17:03,120 unclear language and replacing all instances of gendered language with non gendered language 180 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,600 legal will be working on these charges throughout the committee process and then will present 181 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:14,680 all applicable changes to the committee at the October 17th meeting. 182 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,100 The book of the committee's work will center around these seven charges which are to consider 183 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:24,600 and advise the council whether and in what manner to revise current charter provisions 184 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:31,840 to as to modify the mix of single member and at large districts increase the two year term 185 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,560 for council members to either three or four year terms the addition of new council seats 186 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:45,880 based on population size and projected growth modifying the mayor and council stipend requiring 187 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,840 a statement less than 200 words on the grounds of removal for recall petitions increasing 188 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,960 the two year term of the municipal judge to a four year term and modifying the ethics 189 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,960 ordinance requirements. 190 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:04,600 I mentioned earlier each of these items is discussed in a council work session meeting 191 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:11,000 so feel free to go back and look at those to get more context as to why they were brought 192 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 forward. 193 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,640 And then the final charge of the committee is that the committee has the discretion to 194 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,640 review additional sections of the charter not listed in these charges and consider and 195 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:26,440 advise council and whether and what manner to revise them individual committee members 196 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:32,060 can submit additional sections they'd like to propose the committee review to staff before 197 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:37,240 the August 22nd meeting all of these submissions will be shared with the full committee and 198 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,360 then items will require a majority consensus from the full committee to move forward with 199 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:48,800 consideration of those items any sections that receive majority consensus will be considered 200 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:55,600 by the committee at the September 19th and October 3rd committee meetings. 201 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Here's just an overall timeline for the charter election from now until November the committee 202 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:07,100 will meet review the charges create recommendations based on the committee's work those recommendations 203 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:11,720 will be presented to council in the form of charter amendments in November and December 204 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,360 and then council will consider the recommendations and approve the final amendments to the to 205 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:22,520 be submitted to the voters in January 2025 council will call the election and initiate 206 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,540 an informational campaign the campaign will be coordinated by city staff but will rely 207 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:32,940 on committee members to during this time to help us share information with the public 208 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:40,680 and then the election will take place on May 3rd 2025 following the election the committee 209 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,900 will be dissolved. 210 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:48,600 This is just a high level review of the articles of the charter the articles highlighted in 211 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,680 yellow are the ones that committee charges that we have committee charges coming from 212 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,980 as you can see the charges only cover a fraction of the charter so I encourage you to review 213 00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:07,200 each section of the charter as you're able to and with that I will take any questions 214 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,920 that you guys have on that and then we'll open it up to for a nominations and chair 215 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,480 and chair pro tem elections. 216 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:26,640 Yes Mr. just out of curiosity with 14 members how would a tie be resolved because generally 217 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:42,280 I would have thought that there would be a lot of members yeah I think I think ultimately 218 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,400 I'll defer to legal on that if there's any precedent there but I think ultimately a tie 219 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:56,520 would be a failure great question now can you send out links to the I know you get the 220 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,960 dates of those council meetings but can you send out links to those absolutely meetings 221 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,880 and then I think you can link even to the timestamp yes so you don't have to watch the 222 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,320 whole meeting not that you shouldn't watch the whole meeting but but I think it is really 223 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:17,400 informative that would be really helpful yeah that's a great idea we'll do a summary email 224 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:26,200 after each meeting so I'll include that in tomorrow's email any other questions so looking 225 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:34,560 at the 2017 election charter elections this do formulates from our recommendations like 226 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,280 how those turn into propositions is it similar to the bond or the kind of people by light 227 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:45,360 yeah well we'll be working with legal on kind of creating the language for the propositions 228 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:50,240 so and Amanda will be at all of our meetings so she'll be working through that with us 229 00:21:50,240 --> 00:22:14,200 yeah so will the committee will present to council and three work sessions in November 230 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,000 and December what the committee's recommendations are all of those recommendations will be things 231 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,680 that the committee has received consensus on and then council will have the opportunity 232 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:31,680 to review and potentially send something back to the committee and you know that sort of 233 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:44,720 thing so council does ultimately improve what makes it to the voters okay great so with 234 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:54,760 that we'll move into electing a chair and chair pro tem that is item CRC two four zero 235 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,640 zero three the chair will preside over the meetings and we'll have the ability to appoint 236 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,360 subcommittees as needed and the chair pro tem will reside in the absence of the chair 237 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:11,480 and then provide additional leadership support as needed so with that I'll open it up for 238 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:18,620 any motions and discussions the process you can nominate yourself or someone else then 239 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:23,880 you'll need a motion and a second we'll open it up for any discussion and then we'll hold 240 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:30,840 a voice vote Peter's hands hands up first I'd like to nominate Christine Bray for the 241 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:43,720 chair position we have a second is that how that forgive me what's the procedure on that 242 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:51,120 yes yeah we have to vote that and then if there's another nomination wait or correct 243 00:23:51,120 --> 00:24:04,280 yes so we can't make another nomination discussion yeah but we will we will open it up so nomination 244 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:22,080 motion second discussion so we have a nomination in the future whenever there's a you need 245 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:30,920 to have your hand up before you finish talking I mean I'm just curious it is a race to get 246 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:57,120 your hand up yes whoever made the first nomination was obviously whoever she picked on first whoever 247 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,600 she saw hand go up first and I'm not complaining about who that it or you know I don't have 248 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:09,080 any idea I don't know very many I'm just saying that's a little bit and the lawyer in these 249 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:25,420 screaming so first we'll just take nominations and then we'll move from there so we have 250 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:30,120 a nomination for Christine Bray okay I have a nomination that I don't know these people 251 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:37,920 at all but I know Jesse Davis you've been on the City Council before so you know how 252 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,360 to present stuff and Michelle Jones is an attorney so you know I look like a proteome 253 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:52,280 above all the guidelines so that's my recommendation give me are we just doing the chair right 254 00:25:52,280 --> 00:26:02,240 now or are we doing both we can do both we can go ahead and do more initially he's doing 255 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:09,160 the chair so I would also nominate Jesse Davis as chair I think with his experience in I 256 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,560 mean on City Council number one obviously his educational background in political science 257 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:21,000 as I mentioned earlier and he's the attorney or a attorney for you know with all the legal 258 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:37,240 aspects of the charter I would think he would be a good candidate for that and his experience 259 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:46,720 on council yeah I guess the second if that's where we're at I thought they were just asking 260 00:26:46,720 --> 00:27:01,160 as chair as chair or chair protect so we're doing chair and pro chair yes yes any and 261 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:10,960 all nominations speak now and then we'll move on to seconds and pro 10 make chance second 262 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:20,480 that I appreciate the nomination but even that this is my first time here and on board 263 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,720 this magnitude I'm just here really to learn process see how it goes how everybody directs 264 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:49,000 it and really appreciate any other nominations for chair same reason I think you keep us 265 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:58,960 on track I know personally I struggle with Robert's rules of order and all the different 266 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:08,800 things so that could be probably have something with that background make us more efficient 267 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:16,080 does that nomination need a second now for Robert's rules yeah we'll just take nominations 268 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:22,960 and then we'll go down the list and and ask for a second do that momentarily yes you have 269 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,640 any nominations for vice chair vice chair we just have Michelle as mayor protect our pro 270 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:49,720 them currently okay I'd like to nominate myself as vice chair okay so our first nomination 271 00:28:49,720 --> 00:29:00,320 for chair was Christine Bray is there a second second and then we just vote I showed hands 272 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:19,400 Christine Bray for chair that's six so that fails to requirement next we had a nomination 273 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:46,060 for Jesse Davis for chair you have a second and show of hands is that seven okay so also 274 00:29:46,060 --> 00:30:15,960 that's a 15 people that's a good question earlier yeah so yeah we had Michelle as a 275 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:30,100 chair drive a second second okay and show of hands this is chair this is chair yeah 276 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:59,760 this is why I don't let's let's go we drop one and then and then see if the vote changes 277 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,940 if there's only two options because there was there were some people that voted for 278 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:10,980 the third candidate that was least high number that might vote for one of the other candidates 279 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:16,020 if they didn't have that option yeah absolutely I think we should go forward with the chair 280 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,560 pro tem and then see if that gets us somewhere so there was a nomination for Michelle for 281 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:35,000 chair pro tem is there a second okay show of hands all right that's eight so we have 282 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:42,060 Michelle solidified as our chair pro tem so we'll do another vote for chair the first 283 00:31:42,060 --> 00:32:08,980 nomination was Christine there was a second show of hands okay seven and chair for Jesse 284 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:35,460 Davis show of hands seven yeah sorry the last vote was seven for Jesse Davis and seven for 285 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:40,760 Christine right I agree we didn't make it to discussion so let's open it up and maybe 286 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:52,000 Jesse and Christine if you each want to say a couple of words I would like to do this 287 00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:01,060 because well I have immense respect for Jesse we've talked many times I I do find it perhaps 288 00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:06,200 imbalancing that Jesse has been on council I don't have any disagreement with his ability 289 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:14,160 to run meetings but given that this board relates to the functions the duties of council 290 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:21,400 I think that having a former council member be in that role is perhaps unbalancing and 291 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,500 while I'm certainly glad to have your insights on this board at large just it's that that 292 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:32,080 leadership role I've done committees like this before I've done bond committee last 293 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:41,140 year I'm on the Board of Adjustments where I've led several votes in there so I believe 294 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:46,340 that I'm capable of executing this role thank you likewise want to reciprocate your respect 295 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:52,860 I'm glad we're serving another committee together the I think the I take the opposite view but 296 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:57,840 the council experience because what we're talking about is something that we will be 297 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:04,660 recommending perhaps contrary to the wishes of some of the council members there was none 298 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:07,940 there were very few of these items that are coming to us that were unanimous that also 299 00:34:07,940 --> 00:34:12,420 all seven council members wanted to see on this chart so whatever did the recommendation 300 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:18,140 this committee is it will be part of the role of this committee to go and put that in front 301 00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:23,620 of the city council it's for clear to your point you said well how's the how's the wording 302 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:28,020 work you know what's it going to be city council will set the wording they will not take our 303 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:33,220 wording directly they'll take what the attorney's advice is and our recommendations and they 304 00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:37,940 will craft the wording just like what happened with the bond committee the bond wasn't presented 305 00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:42,700 exactly like the committee really put forward the council kind of crafted a little bit one 306 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:47,620 of those things didn't pass so I think that's an important aspect that I bring is how to 307 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:53,300 liaise with the council council members that are there my former colleagues and then I 308 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:58,020 I'm in the uncomfortable position of having to kind of give you my resume a little bit 309 00:34:58,020 --> 00:35:05,740 but I do have degrees in government in law I have a lot of experience long state experience 310 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:11,540 chairing bodies like this where you have frank tough conversations and you have to do so 311 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:17,580 in a way that is respectful of everybody's time and expertise and that whether you have 312 00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:22,100 a law degree or whether you don't your voice is just as important on this committee and 313 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:26,820 the community that you represent is just as important on this committee and I think that's 314 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:33,660 a really maybe a different or a unique aspect of a committee like this is that you have 315 00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:39,380 to in a city like Denton at a time like today pull all of those perspectives together and 316 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:43,220 make sure everybody's well represented and that's a particular experience that I have 317 00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:51,020 here. Thank you. Is there any other discussion on that? Yes. Having also been on the most 318 00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:59,260 recent body committee and knowing how that process during committee presenting it to 319 00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:11,940 council and finally got on the ballot etc. As Jessie relates you have to I'm not going 320 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:20,000 to say coach words but I may say a word that says upstart and someone else may totally 321 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:30,500 take it different on council. So his past expertise with knowing those initial nuances 322 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:39,820 which is so that things can progress and we can meet the needs of the directive I think 323 00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:47,500 would be beneficial. I just want to say for Christine when you talk about being prepared 324 00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:51,940 and doing homework I don't know anybody and I'm not saying that this is from my experience 325 00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:57,260 in this community who does more homework who is more out there in their community doing 326 00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:03,560 the work to have those conversations to a lot of experience on boards I just know that 327 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,380 if we slip Christine will bring us back up to the table so that's why I support Christine 328 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:15,580 first of all. I'd like to also say as far as the expertise goes I personally trust city 329 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:19,820 staff and our city attorneys to do the work make sure that we're prepared and to properly 330 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:24,180 prepare all of us and fill the gaps of information so I'm not so concerned of that I think it's 331 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:27,940 wonderful that we have an attorney as our vice chair I think it'd be great if our chair 332 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:33,300 could not be an attorney since we have a disproportionate amount of attorneys on this committee someone 333 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:39,020 who understands the average experience of somebody in debt because at the end of the 334 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:43,020 day this has to be a cross-section of the community and we've got two attorneys sitting 335 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:48,100 as our chair and vice chair that doesn't necessarily look like our community. I say that as an 336 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:57,220 attorney. Well you know my opinion is that there's going to be a lot of legal stuff that 337 00:37:57,220 --> 00:38:03,580 happens and we have to come up with all the wording and all that stuff so I'm not afraid 338 00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:08,260 of having another attorney to run it because they're used to looking at all this stuff 339 00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:20,100 all the time so that's my opinion. Given that we do have all these attorneys on this committee 340 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:25,260 wouldn't the chair have to run that information about the committee as a whole and be able 341 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:34,060 to overlook whatever the verbiage is that needs to be said to the city council and I 342 00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:44,220 think that giving somebody without the attorney's perspective to lay it out on what they think 343 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:52,780 and what they feel and then give it to the attorneys to look over to make sure that it's 344 00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:59,300 what needs to go in front of the council with them to work together. Two people with the 345 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:09,700 same goal or two different perspectives making them one. I think that would be good. Just 346 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:15,220 another quick thought too we have legal here so I mean I you know and I'm not whatever 347 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:19,700 profession or whatever you're in but that's going to be my when I'm looking for the legal 348 00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:24,740 I'm looking there. That's the way I look at this so I I like a little bit of diversity 349 00:39:24,740 --> 00:39:35,060 too. So if I can speak I would when Jesse talks he spoke more about what his qualifications 350 00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:41,140 were forget the legal piece of it I think his experience with municipalities government 351 00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:48,660 agencies working in them not alongside the fact that he's been on council and understands 352 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:52,380 things that there's probably a lot of people in this room are not aware of or have not 353 00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:58,460 experienced I think that gives you know him a little bit of a leg up to to try to help 354 00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:02,420 us navigate through that process and just for that reason I think he would probably 355 00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:14,700 be the best. Not to mention I didn't really hear a lot of reason why you know I'm pursuing 356 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:24,220 what the qualifications were for for the chair position necessarily I mean more heard of 357 00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:30,260 the of an issue of why someone else should not be in it as opposed to why they shouldn't 358 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:37,220 be in it. Christine could you repeat your qualifications for the committee all the different 359 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:43,140 boards you served on. Sure I've been on traffic safety which no longer exists anymore it's 360 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:48,480 now mobility at Koch committee with city council that I serve on. I've served on zoning board 361 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:55,140 of adjustments the bond 2023 program I've done Denton 360 academy Denton citizens police 362 00:40:55,140 --> 00:41:01,660 academy and I've written many many pages of policy briefs for city council to consider 363 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:11,100 as well on various issues. Thank you. And I you know obviously appreciate the public 364 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:16,940 service but that's a big aspect of it that you and Jesse both have. I guess I have to 365 00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:27,780 you know the attorney hate oh my gosh and I do hope I concur with Gabe or Gabriel that 366 00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:35,340 I don't anticipate drafting or being involved in the details I do hope that staff I don't 367 00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:41,020 think anybody's looking to to me and I'm not here really in a role as an attorney I'm here 368 00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:46,380 as a citizen and that's what I hope to offer as a perspective of having lived here for 369 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:54,740 you know 17 20 years 21 years so that's my role and I think you know Jesse was bringing 370 00:41:54,740 --> 00:42:00,100 that perspective also as a citizen somebody born and raised here and so I think it's that 371 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:05,660 qualification and I do think the being a part of council when we're talking about what is 372 00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:11,740 attractive to people that want to run as a council member you know we're going to be 373 00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:16,700 talking about stipends the term of service what kind of burden that puts on you and I 374 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:23,260 think he does really offer a unique position perspective having served in that role and 375 00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:35,140 gone through that so I think that makes him uniquely qualified to serve as to. May I offer 376 00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:43,060 this really is a Robert's Rules of Order and now but doing this is electing both a chair 377 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:51,060 and a pro tem within the same in the nominees to me is a little bit different than anything 378 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:59,980 else I have partaken in it's usually you elect one and then you go to the other since the 379 00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:08,100 first vote so I will put this out as a since the first vote had Christine having six and 380 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:31,060 Jesse having seven could we then take it that Jesse would be this is what I'm putting forth 381 00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:39,980 if we can't come to an impasse let's nominate Michelle is I think that's exactly what happens 382 00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:47,140 if there's not a chair elected correct yeah and I wanted to make sure everybody the discussion 383 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:54,340 everybody had an opportunity to say whatever they wanted to say but moving forward if we 384 00:43:54,340 --> 00:44:00,820 can do it one more vote for Jesse and Christine if we'd like if we're all set with our votes 385 00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:06,900 as are as they are then we'll move forward with Michelle as chair and come back at our 386 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:12,000 next meeting and we can hold another election if we if we need to or we can just move forward 387 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,580 with Michelle as our chair yes sorry just Christine got a chance to kind of go back 388 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:21,780 over the resume points a little bit and I don't know who I'm speaking to or persuading 389 00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:27,780 at this point for seven to seven but just just everybody knows the the experience that 390 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:32,140 I'm trying to put forward here isn't just as a council member as a lawyer but as someone 391 00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:40,540 who has chaired meetings and drafted governing documents as a side hustle unpaid side hustle 392 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:46,980 for 20 plus years I mean since high school and college student body president North Texas 393 00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:52,700 chair just about every kind of meeting you can think of since then and that's the particular 394 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:56,260 qualification we're looking for now is not someone who's going to rewrite the chart not 395 00:44:56,260 --> 00:45:00,100 something who's going to pass legal muster on the chart but someone who's going to preside 396 00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:04,980 over the meetings and make sure everybody gets their voice heard and the person who's 397 00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:11,060 going to go in front of council with staff and help present this and when council says 398 00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:15,340 you know gosh I don't know stand up for this committee whether it's the chairs preferred 399 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:19,980 position or not to go in front of council and tell them this is what the body you put 400 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:25,780 together had to say and those are the particular qualifications I think we're looking for each 401 00:45:25,780 --> 00:45:37,060 other any other discussion and will hold another vote for chair and if we're at the same impasse 402 00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:41,620 we'll move forward with Michelle as our chair for now as our chair pro tem because that's 403 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:47,140 the role of the chair pro tem to in the absence of a chair preside over the meetings so that's 404 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:52,740 how we'll move forward and we can come back at our next meeting and go from there how 405 00:45:52,740 --> 00:46:08,340 does that sound okay so for jesse davis's chair show of hands okay seven and Christine 406 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:24,900 just for process okay congratulations michelle i appreciate everybody sharing all of their 407 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:30,660 all of their thoughts and opinions and you know i think even with this you know kind 408 00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:35,380 of pick up we're going to move forward and be thoughtful and kind and respectful and 409 00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:42,660 appreciate that everybody so uh with that we will move forward to housekeeping items 410 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:54,100 item crc 24 004 attendance and quorum eight committee members will constitute a quorum 411 00:46:54,100 --> 00:47:01,140 per section 2.83 of the debt and city code members who cannot attend a meeting must make 412 00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:06,740 contact must contact the chairperson or staff liaison to inform them of their absence to 413 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:12,340 make this easy for committee members i'm going to have copies of a notification of absence form 414 00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:17,380 at every meeting and there's a meeting that you're planning on missing if you know ahead of time 415 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:24,020 ask me for the form fill it out the requirement is for an excused absence you just have to 416 00:47:24,020 --> 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meeting you'll receive an email with a summary of the meeting and a link to a brief 440 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:56,740 survey that's just intended to gauge the temperature of the committee on the topics discussed in each 441 00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:02,500 meeting staff will use this information to capture the committee's perspectives and address any gaps 442 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:09,220 or concerns with the topics discussed this is also where committee members can submit additional 443 00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:15,460 sections of the charter that what they would like to submit for review it is important to note that 444 00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:20,980 these surveys are not an official vote or position of the committee or a committee member and will be 445 00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:26,900 kept confidential by staff all official business of the committee including votes will take place 446 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:34,660 in person in these meetings public comment and participation all committee meetings are open to 447 00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:39,940 the public and will be live streamed and available for public viewing on the city of debt and website 448 00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:46,180 additionally each meeting following this one we will reserve the first five to ten minutes of the 449 00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:51,940 meeting for public comment up to five members of the public will be allowed to speak for up to two 450 00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:58,100 minutes members of the public wishing to speak should arrive early and complete a speaker form 451 00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:03,940 and turn it into staff before the meeting is called to order additionally there is an option 452 00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:10,580 for e-comments to be made available to the public should the committee provide direction to do so 453 00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:18,180 e-comment will be made available once an agenda is posted and then all comments would go directly to 454 00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:24,740 committee members city email addresses and then lastly on committee procedures and decorum 455 00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:30,180 we'll be spending a lot of time together over the next several months and I know that none of us 456 00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:37,860 exist in a vacuum external events and influences will inevitably impact us but it's a it's important 457 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:43,460 that we don't let that undermine mutual respect and the working relationships we have in this room 458 00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:48,420 I ask that as a group we remain thoughtful respectful and kind in our interactions with 459 00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:54,020 each other even as difficult and contentious topics are discussed we're all here because we 460 00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:59,780 care about didn't and our community and I'd like for us to let that be our grounding and guiding 461 00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:06,740 principle as we move forward and then the meeting schedule there's a copy of the meeting schedule 462 00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:11,620 in the front tab of your binder all of our meetings will be held here at the development 463 00:52:11,620 --> 00:52:17,700 services building from 5 30 to 7 in order to respect everyone's time we'll be sticking to the 464 00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:23,940 meeting times and not going over just so you'll have an idea of what our content schedule is 465 00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:30,660 this is the schedule of what charges we'll be covering and when I'd like to note that first 466 00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:36,820 on the list are modifying the mix of single member and at-large districts and the need for 467 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:42,820 new council seats based on population because both of these items are heavily impacted by state and 468 00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:48,900 federal laws if the committee decides to move forward with modifications to these items the 469 00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:54,820 city will need to consult outside legal counsel to ensure that all election laws are complied with 470 00:52:54,820 --> 00:53:00,340 so we're tackling those big issues first so to allot for time if we need to employ outside council 471 00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:07,540 and you'll also notice that there are three placeholder slots for any additional sections 472 00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:12,260 with committee consensus to review this is where those items that you submit 473 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:18,260 through the surveys by august 22nd will be placed should they received committee consensus 474 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:27,220 and then lastly any questions received during the meeting that cannot be answered during the meeting 475 00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:32,340 will be answered within 24 hours following the meeting and will be shared with the entire 476 00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:39,220 committee by email so I know that is a lot of information I appreciate all of your time and 477 00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:45,860 attention and you guys taking the time out of your lives to do this with us if you have questions 478 00:53:45,860 --> 00:53:52,820 um I'll stick around for as long as you need otherwise I will turn it back over to the chair 479 00:53:52,820 --> 00:54:04,180 pro tem to adjourn that's all you have to do today absolutely um my last thing is just a reminder 480 00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:10,740 that our next meeting is thursday august 8th here and those are the topics so questions 481 00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:24,820 I go first okay um so next week we have the section two review right so not knowing exactly 482 00:54:24,820 --> 00:54:31,300 what the schedule was for this kind of looking through stuff ahead of time can we ask can we 483 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:37,940 get questions down maybe in the in the meeting prior about that topic does that make sense or 484 00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:42,580 we need to keep that in because one of the questions that kind of came to my mind was you know we have 485 00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:49,700 the population I'm sure we have similar cities that have a similar population similar mix like 486 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:54,580 what's their mix like what's their charter what's that because I think you kind of need to know that 487 00:54:54,580 --> 00:55:00,340 to make a informed decision almost like you know in business we would say well what's the best 488 00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:07,140 practice on that right like what do we think or at least have some reference yeah yeah absolutely so 489 00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:14,020 every meeting when we go over a new topic I'll do a presentation with kind of the basics of what 490 00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:20,020 and for example you know what other cities what comparable cities are doing what recommendations 491 00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:24,420 there are from the national league of cities that sort of stuff so staff will bring that 492 00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:31,620 to you all before we ever ask you to make a decision um and then I think to answer your 493 00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:38,580 question we can have an um an option in the survey that we send out after each meeting that says do 494 00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:44,100 you have any questions on the topic for the next meeting so that staff can be sure to address those 495 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:49,940 in the meeting would then that be sent to all of us yes 496 00:55:57,140 --> 00:56:02,820 so to that end we have staff available for research may I provide a question now 497 00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:09,460 because it has to do with the population size of objective growth for the next meeting 498 00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:21,540 can we find out what is the population for umt and twu in regard to student populations 499 00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:23,700 absolutely 500 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:33,460 out of respect for y'all's time um what would be ideally the best like the last day to send in 501 00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:39,700 a query before we're set to meet in order for you to have and I know you said 24 hours but I want 502 00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:43,940 to make sure you'll have more how to go about your presentations 503 00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:50,180 yeah I'd say 24 to 48 hours before the meeting 504 00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:56,740 when was the deadline to submit new things August 22nd 505 00:56:56,740 --> 00:57:09,060 yes um two two quick things Peter actually that's a I love the way you phrased that you know out of 506 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:14,260 respect for staff's time one thing I will point out and I don't want to raise too many eyebrows 507 00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:19,780 by saying this but this committee belongs to us and to the citizens so if there's a burning question 508 00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:24,100 that pops up don't expect that you're going to have your answer at the very next meeting 509 00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:31,060 but that 24 hours it is a is a courtesy we don't have to vote on anything we don't have to move 510 00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:37,540 forward to the next agenda item we don't have to this is a template of what we should do but if we 511 00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:42,340 need more time on something if we need to go back to our folks and talk to more people this is this 512 00:57:42,340 --> 00:57:49,460 is a suggested guideline so we shouldn't feel again I'm not freaking staff out we shouldn't feel 513 00:57:49,460 --> 00:57:53,860 dead stuck on this if we don't feel comfortable revising the charter in a certain way we're not 514 00:57:53,860 --> 00:57:59,060 there as a group and we can't expect that the council of citizens to be there other kind of 515 00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:05,540 cautionary thing I would remind people about is we talked about the open meetings act um when you 516 00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:08,100 have to take the training but what they're going to tell you in the training some of you all have 517 00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:14,260 been on boards and stuff a lot and some haven't um that means that you cannot speak with a quorum 518 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:20,180 of people outside the meeting if you're going to talk with that many people it has to be in the 519 00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:25,860 meeting if seven people meet for coffee great they can't talk about these topics that also 520 00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:30,500 means there's something called a walking quorum that I can't talk to my council member about 521 00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:35,700 something and then have seven six other people seven other people to make a quorum go and talk 522 00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:40,580 to that same council member about the same thing that creates a walking quorum I can't go to staff 523 00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:45,700 I even think it's a passing along I agree like you can't talk to me and then I talk to 524 00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:50,740 Gabe and then he talks to Nate I don't I think that's even a walking one you get that I think 525 00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:54,580 you're right if you get that eight together however they're put together even if you don't 526 00:58:54,580 --> 00:59:02,980 know that you're part of that eight so to that end no reply alls to the email switch that um 527 00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:08,820 no Facebook groups no um conversations with your with your people and your communities vital 528 00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:14,500 but be very very careful that walking quorum because if we do that if we have a lot of table 529 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:20,100 talk and side talk that really undermines what the people but the citizens think about this community 530 00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:24,420 and the trust that they have in our work that we do and then eventually this is what they're 531 00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:29,300 going to have to vote on so I know that sounds like a lawyer thing to say follow the law but I'm 532 00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:34,420 telling you it's important those laws exist for transparency and people don't have trust in things 533 00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:41,060 you do off to the side I understand that and I heard that but how am I going to know when 534 00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:44,740 I talk to my city council that some other people want to talk to him about the same thing 535 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:51,540 my advice me personally trust your city council member to make their decision based on their 536 00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:56,740 constituents and the report back from the committee so like they they put us on here and I will tell 537 00:59:56,740 --> 01:00:03,380 my city councilman the city council member this right to her face I'm on I got pointed here to 538 01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:09,860 beat for my folks and represent my community and to work with y'all to come up with a recommendation 539 01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:16,340 not to be my city council member's little robot so I'll report back and all that kind of stuff but 540 01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:21,220 we take our direction from the citizens and then the city council will get their chance to vote on 541 01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:28,340 it and then the citizens will get their chance to move on it I promise you'll learn more talking 542 01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:35,940 your neighbors and I was just wondering how it would work I have a more practical question back 543 01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:44,820 to Ryan's comment earlier so next the next meeting we would anticipate having a presentation 544 01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:53,860 on what say McKinney, Lewisville, other other similar sized cities do as far as the mix of 545 01:00:53,860 --> 01:00:59,540 single members and at large and we would have a presentation maybe on the demographics of 546 01:00:59,540 --> 01:01:04,980 and I would definitely think we want to include our colleges but also if the city and growth 547 01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:12,740 projections would that be also part of that presentation so we're going to receive a lot 548 01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:18,340 of information from staff yeah yeah we're going to give you as much information as you can 549 01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:25,620 specifically on these as we can um specifically on these items there may be stuff that we need to 550 01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:31,700 employ outside council for but um Amanda and I will be giving you everything that we have 551 01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:37,540 and similarly you mentioned the national association of cities maybe or something 552 01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:44,980 I think tml do they also put forward best practices and considerations yes we get all 553 01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:50,580 yes okay that sounds great I just recommend reading they're available freely online so 554 01:01:50,580 --> 01:01:55,700 I'm reading through them um they do address several topics that we have planned for discussion 555 01:01:55,700 --> 01:02:04,820 so sounds good thank you okay what other questions do you guys have 556 01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:13,540 okay if you are going to miss me is available by zoom or 557 01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:19,060 we we will be live streamed I don't know that we have the capability to 558 01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:27,620 have members zoom in so you could watch it on the live stream but it would still be considered an 559 01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:33,780 absence I can check with our team on that and if we know in advance like I know one day just 560 01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:39,140 let you know yep I have the forms so if you if you have a vacation plan holidays whatever 561 01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:45,060 um I have those forms so just ask any time and I'll send it I'll send it to you electronically or 562 01:02:45,060 --> 01:02:56,180 have a personally here okay so I move to adjourn yes yeah I have uh I have a one sheet one major 563 01:02:56,180 --> 01:03:08,820 for you for you to say right here at the bottom if there is no other business I will now adjourn the 564 01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:17,780 meeting at 6 39 p.m sorry I do not need emotion I think