WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.920 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission 00:00:05.920 --> 00:00:09.920 meeting for Wednesday, July 24, 2024. 00:00:09.920 --> 00:00:15.120 This is our work session and with the quorum present, I'll call us to order at 5 p.m. 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:20.140 Let the record show that Commissioner Patrone and Commissioner Cole are absent at this time. 00:00:20.140 --> 00:00:25.080 First item on our work session agenda is the clarification of our agenda for tonight's 00:00:25.080 --> 00:00:26.200 meeting. 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:29.360 The first being our minutes from June 26th. 00:00:29.360 --> 00:00:35.480 Any questions, comments? 00:00:35.480 --> 00:00:37.880 Items for individual consideration. 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:42.960 3A, there's Bryce right there. 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:50.040 >> Good evening, commission, assistant planner. 00:00:50.040 --> 00:00:56.400 This is a final reply for approximately 36.07 acres, it is one-half mile east of South Bonnie 00:00:56.400 --> 00:00:59.240 Bray and on the north side of Roseland Drive. 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:05.160 This final plat will create 125 single family residential lots and seven HOA lots. 00:01:05.160 --> 00:01:08.960 It's the sixth phase of the Eagle Creek subdivision. 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:12.360 At this time, the plat does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff does not have any 00:01:12.360 --> 00:01:17.520 objection to the requested first extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:01:17.520 --> 00:01:20.280 I'll stand for any questions. 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.280 >> Questions for Bryce? 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:22.280 Okay. 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:23.280 Thank you. 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:24.280 >> Thank you. 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:29.720 3BPP240003, you are staying right up there. 00:01:29.720 --> 00:01:32.080 >> Bryce Bedardsdale, assistant planner. 00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:34.400 This is a preliminary plat for Grand Parkside. 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:40.240 It's approximately 19 acres, it's 266 feet east of Country Club Road and on the north 00:01:40.240 --> 00:01:42.340 side of Hodson Lane. 00:01:42.340 --> 00:01:48.960 In April, we brought 1.3 acres to you guys for a rezone and this was approved unanimously 00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:51.280 as well as at council on May 21st. 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:56.880 This is a preliminary plat to work through the organization of approximately 71 lots, 00:01:56.880 --> 00:02:01.200 63 of those being single family residential with eight HOA lots. 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:05.880 Currently, this plat does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to 00:02:05.880 --> 00:02:09.360 the first extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:11.320 I'll stand for any questions. 00:02:11.320 --> 00:02:12.920 >> Thanks, Bryce. 00:02:12.920 --> 00:02:13.920 Questions? 00:02:13.920 --> 00:02:14.920 Okay. 00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:15.920 Thank you. 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:16.920 >> Thank you. 00:02:16.920 --> 00:02:22.760 >> If you all did not see the email, 3C has been withdrawn by the applicant, so we will 00:02:22.760 --> 00:02:26.720 not be taking any kind of action there. 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:31.920 3DFP240024, is anyone playing Sean today? 00:02:31.920 --> 00:02:32.920 No? 00:02:32.920 --> 00:02:33.920 Okay. 00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:34.920 Okay. 00:02:34.920 --> 00:02:48.840 Well, I think we've got a similar situation there where we've got an extension. 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:49.840 Okay. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:03:01.760 Even if we can just pull it up so we can see it. 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:02.760 Yeah. 00:03:02.760 --> 00:03:03.760 Yeah, 24A. 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:04.760 There we go. 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:18.040 >> Yes, this looks -- I don't know about this one, but a final plat, it looks like staff 00:03:18.040 --> 00:03:22.000 recommends now, but has no objection to the requested extension. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.000 >> Okay. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.000 August 14th. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.720 I assume someone's going to present it at the meeting tonight? 00:03:27.720 --> 00:03:28.720 >> Yeah. 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:29.720 >> Right. 00:03:29.720 --> 00:03:30.720 >> Sure, yeah. 00:03:30.720 --> 00:03:31.720 >> Maybe Matt can present it. 00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:32.720 >> Oh. 00:03:32.720 --> 00:03:33.720 Okay. 00:03:33.720 --> 00:03:34.720 Okay. 00:03:34.720 --> 00:03:35.720 Okay. 00:03:35.720 --> 00:03:39.040 Oh, Commissioner Villarreal, I apologize. 00:03:39.040 --> 00:03:40.040 >> No worries. 00:03:40.040 --> 00:03:45.160 If you could find out before the meeting what number of extension requests this is, I'd 00:03:45.160 --> 00:03:46.160 appreciate it. 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:47.160 >> Yeah. 00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:48.160 >> Thank you. 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:49.160 >> That might be on the backup. 00:03:49.160 --> 00:03:50.160 I'll check. 00:03:50.160 --> 00:03:51.160 I'll check. 00:03:51.160 --> 00:04:01.440 Well, it looks like it had an extension approved on June 26th. 00:04:01.440 --> 00:04:02.440 So second. 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:03.440 Yeah. 00:04:03.440 --> 00:04:04.440 Second. 00:04:04.440 --> 00:04:05.440 Okay. 00:04:05.440 --> 00:04:06.440 Thank you. 00:04:06.440 --> 00:04:07.440 Okay. 00:04:07.440 --> 00:04:12.120 You know what, it looks like Sean has 3E2FP240026. 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:13.120 >> All right. 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:14.120 >> There it is. 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:15.120 >> I will stay up here. 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:16.120 Yes, so a final plat. 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:27.920 For a law, what looks like off of Fannin Road, it's not a law, but it is a law. 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:37.400 For a law, what looks like off of Fannin Road, the staff recommends denial, but has no objection 00:04:37.400 --> 00:04:40.000 to the request at extension. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.040 >> All right. 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:43.040 14. 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:44.040 Okay. 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.040 >> Oh. 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:46.040 >> And there's Sean. 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:51.160 >> Maybe he can speak more to this. 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:52.160 >> We're going to do it. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.520 You got questions there, anyone? 00:04:54.520 --> 00:04:55.520 Okay. 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:56.520 Thank you. 00:04:56.520 --> 00:04:57.520 >> You've been replaced. 00:04:57.520 --> 00:04:58.520 >> Yeah. 00:04:58.520 --> 00:04:59.520 3FFP240023. 00:04:59.520 --> 00:05:00.520 Matt, that is yours. 00:05:00.520 --> 00:05:01.520 >> Sean is going to do that one. 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.520 >> Yeah, right. 00:05:02.520 --> 00:05:03.520 >> Yes. 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:04.520 I do know about this one. 00:05:04.520 --> 00:05:05.520 All right. 00:05:05.520 --> 00:05:06.520 Yeah. 00:05:06.520 --> 00:05:25.520 So this is a final plat of a 15-acre lot located on the north side of Fishtrap Road, approximately 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:31.680 260 feet west of Greenleaf Circle. 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:37.360 The staff recommends denial because it does not meet the criteria for approval, however, 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.720 we have no objection to the request at extension. 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.820 This is the second extension request. 00:05:45.820 --> 00:05:52.240 The reason for denial is because the civil engineering plans have not been approved for 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:58.280 the project in question related to this plat, however, the applicant is moving forward with 00:05:58.280 --> 00:06:03.360 this, and so expect no hiccups there. 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.360 >> All right. 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:07.360 Questions? 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:08.360 Okay. 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:09.360 Thank you. 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.360 >> Yep. 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:11.360 >> Going to our public hearings. 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:16.520 You saw 4A and 4B are being postponed to August 14th. 00:06:16.520 --> 00:06:20.360 Here comes Angie to say something. 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:21.360 >> Hello. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.360 >> Hi. 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:31.960 Yes, these are two public hearings, PD230001 and Z220018, both for Denton 195. 00:06:31.960 --> 00:06:37.440 Staff is requesting this item be postponed to a date certain of August 14th, and so the 00:06:37.440 --> 00:06:42.520 request will be to open the public hearing and continue the items to that date. 00:06:42.520 --> 00:06:48.440 Staff will be conducting a neighborhood meeting with area residents on Tuesday, July 30th 00:06:48.440 --> 00:06:50.640 at 630 at the Dean Yarek Center. 00:06:50.640 --> 00:06:53.880 Happy to answer any questions you all may have. 00:06:53.880 --> 00:06:54.880 >> Thank you. 00:06:54.880 --> 00:06:55.880 >> What time is it? 00:06:55.880 --> 00:06:56.880 >> 630 p.m. 00:06:56.880 --> 00:07:00.160 >> Questions at the moment, Angie? 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:01.160 No? 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:02.160 Okay. 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:03.160 Thank you. 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:04.160 >> Okay. 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.360 That would take us to 4C, S230001. 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:14.200 Ashley is making her way up. 00:07:14.200 --> 00:07:15.200 Hello. 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:17.800 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:24.240 Ashley Eckstead, Associate Planner. 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.840 This is S2313301 North Elm Multifamily. 00:07:28.840 --> 00:07:32.960 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow for a multifamily use on approximately 00:07:32.960 --> 00:07:34.720 2.4 acres of land. 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.160 This property is generally located on the south side of North Elm, approximately 560 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:41.000 feet east of Riney Road. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.640 The current zoning is R7, which is shown on the map in brown, and the future land use 00:07:44.640 --> 00:07:48.040 is neighborhood mixed use, which is shown on the map in the pink color. 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:52.200 The recommendation is approval, as it does comply with the criteria for approval, and 00:07:52.200 --> 00:07:54.200 I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:07:54.200 --> 00:07:55.200 >> Okay. 00:07:55.200 --> 00:07:56.200 Thank you. 00:07:56.200 --> 00:07:57.200 Questions? 00:07:57.200 --> 00:07:58.200 Okay. 00:07:58.200 --> 00:08:04.000 Thank you very much. 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:18.520 Next, we have 4D CA240001, which is related to 4E Z240009. 00:08:18.520 --> 00:08:21.940 >> Yes. 00:08:21.940 --> 00:08:22.940 Thank you, Chair. 00:08:22.940 --> 00:08:24.640 Angie Mangleris, Development Review Manager. 00:08:24.640 --> 00:08:29.520 If it's okay, during the meeting, I'd like to present both of these items back to back. 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:35.700 So this is CA240001 and Z240009. 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:40.160 These are both -- these are two items related to the Dentex property. 00:08:40.160 --> 00:08:42.280 Just a little bit of background on this. 00:08:42.280 --> 00:08:50.760 This is a 92-acre tract of land located just south of Allred Road, north of Johnson Lane, 00:08:50.760 --> 00:08:52.920 and east of John Payne Road. 00:08:52.920 --> 00:08:57.760 This is a 92-acre tract of land that was recently annexed into the city limits. 00:08:57.760 --> 00:09:01.320 The annexation was approved on July 16th. 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:06.520 Following the annexation, the applicant is seeking to develop the southern 65 acres of 00:09:06.520 --> 00:09:13.560 the property as single-family residential, while the north 27 acres will remain a wedding 00:09:13.560 --> 00:09:18.520 venue, which is currently in use, but being requested to be rezoned to mixed-use neighborhood 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:20.720 for future development. 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.320 The two requests before you tonight do need to be considered in the order in which they'll 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:25.320 be presented. 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:32.440 That's the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, which designates this area as rural areas. 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:40.120 The request is to amend the Comprehensive Plan to community mixed-use for the northern 27 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:45.120 acres of land and moderate residential for the southern 65 portion. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:50.180 The subsequent case that we will hear is the proposed zoning case, which is recommending 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:55.120 or requesting mixed-use neighborhood for that northern portion of the site and residential 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.660 six for the southern portion of the site. 00:09:58.660 --> 00:10:02.840 Staff is recommending approval of both of these requests, as it is consistent with the 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:07.480 overall goals of the Comprehensive Plan, including growing compactly. 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.720 This area is expected to change over the next five years with Hunter and Cole Ranch master 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:13.860 plan communities coming online. 00:10:13.860 --> 00:10:19.460 The zoning and future land use framework will provide a transition from the higher intensity 00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:24.360 commercial and residential uses, which would be allowed along the 35 corridor as you move 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.280 east towards 377. 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:30.640 We start to see more moderate and low residential single family development. 00:10:30.640 --> 00:10:36.340 In addition, these areas that you see in green are also currently in the ETJ, but subject 00:10:36.340 --> 00:10:37.620 to restrictive covenants. 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:41.880 As we start to see platting in those areas, we would expect them to also annex into the 00:10:41.880 --> 00:10:46.200 city and seek a framework similar to what is being presented tonight. 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.060 Having said that, happy to answer any questions about either of the two. 00:10:50.060 --> 00:10:52.960 There will be a more detailed presentation in open session. 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:54.640 Thanks, Angie. 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:55.640 Questions? 00:10:55.640 --> 00:11:00.600 Angie, I know there's ETJ to the east, right? 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:01.600 Yes, ma'am. 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:07.720 Do you know if they were contacted at all, talked with at all? 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.520 The applicant has been in contact. 00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:14.760 It's a little bit of this particular property, I believe more to the southeast, and I know 00:11:14.760 --> 00:11:16.640 they've done some outreach to this owner as well. 00:11:16.640 --> 00:11:19.440 They can speak more to their specific outreach efforts. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:24.080 I do know some of those southeast to the area are generally in support of the request and 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.440 may be looking to move forward in a similar fashion sometime in the future. 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:29.440 Okay. 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:30.440 Yeah, and I was out there today. 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.200 You can't even get to the site that I saw. 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.200 The road is closed. 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.720 So I assume it's just being repaved? 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:39.720 All red or? 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:40.720 Yeah, all red. 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:46.320 Yeah, all red is, I mean, it serves as access for both Sagebrook and is ultimately designed 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:51.520 as a primary arterial serving as a larger east-west connection throughout the city. 00:11:51.520 --> 00:11:57.440 The entire city would cross over 377 and does connect to Brush Creek Road. 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:00.920 They will be required to make improvements to Johnson Lane. 00:12:00.920 --> 00:12:06.040 It is a residential collector and would dedicate that additional right of way necessary. 00:12:06.040 --> 00:12:11.400 In addition, the future John Payne Road, a secondary arterial, will be running from the 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:15.920 south to the north as Hunter develops, providing additional access in the area. 00:12:15.920 --> 00:12:23.120 So there are some improvements that do need to occur as with any development, but the 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.800 infrastructure is there and the roads are reflected on the mobility plan. 00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:27.800 Okay. 00:12:27.800 --> 00:12:28.800 Thank you. 00:12:28.800 --> 00:12:29.800 Anything else? 00:12:29.800 --> 00:12:30.800 Scott, did you have? 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:31.800 Oh, Commissioner Packard, do you have your hand up? 00:12:31.800 --> 00:12:32.800 I'm sorry. 00:12:32.800 --> 00:12:33.800 I thought you were stretching. 00:12:33.800 --> 00:12:38.800 Where is the wedding venue located? 00:12:38.800 --> 00:12:39.800 Sure. 00:12:39.800 --> 00:12:43.160 It is, let's do this. 00:12:43.160 --> 00:12:50.040 It is in this northwest corner, and they can speak more to that specifically, but that 00:12:50.040 --> 00:12:54.120 is the general area of the wedding venue, and then the residential component is a little 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:55.120 further to the south. 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:56.120 Okay. 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.040 So there would be a nice exit out from there. 00:12:59.040 --> 00:13:00.040 Yes. 00:13:00.040 --> 00:13:04.560 They have access in and out today as it is, and that portion of the site is really not 00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:06.520 being proposed to change at this time. 00:13:06.520 --> 00:13:10.760 The wedding venue and the single-family use are allowed under MN zoning. 00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:15.680 I'll let the applicants speak more to their future plans, but my understanding is that 00:13:15.680 --> 00:13:20.080 will remain in operation until we start to see some of the Hunter development come online, 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.880 and MN development would be more appropriate at that time. 00:13:23.880 --> 00:13:24.880 Okay. 00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:25.880 Fair enough. 00:13:25.880 --> 00:13:26.880 Thank you. 00:13:26.880 --> 00:13:28.560 Scott's going to add a piece. 00:13:28.560 --> 00:13:35.400 Just to answer Margie's question, which I'll just tag into that as well, so the woman that 00:13:35.400 --> 00:13:41.400 lives in the house today on the homestead will continue to live there and operate the 00:13:41.400 --> 00:13:42.640 wedding venue. 00:13:42.640 --> 00:13:47.160 She has friends with the adjacent property to the east, which is the Dominguez. 00:13:47.160 --> 00:13:52.680 If you recall when we were going through Sagebrook, Dominguez, you remember. 00:13:52.680 --> 00:13:55.360 So the Dominguez, they get along very well. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.840 They're going to put a berm and a road, and so they've talked through all of this, and 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:04.360 then that other property that Angie was referring to is also owned by the Dominguez's. 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:10.880 So they own a large swath in there and having similar conversations. 00:14:10.880 --> 00:14:16.600 So to answer that question, yes, and then the wedding venue is existing barn, which 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.360 they may make some improvements to as they go along here. 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:25.880 But she is the owner and occupies the property and will continue the wedding venue. 00:14:25.880 --> 00:14:27.120 That was an important part. 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:31.720 They were looking to do a pre-annexation agreement, and they're just taking their chances with 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.640 annexation and going through the process, and everybody seems to be very supportive 00:14:35.640 --> 00:14:36.640 as far as just the community. 00:14:36.640 --> 00:14:40.760 Yeah, and as I recall, didn't we curb a certain road in there? 00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:44.400 Well, funny you should mention that because as you were talking about traffic, we are 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:50.080 continuing to pursue, that will be the new Allred Brush Creek. 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.280 So what you see happening on Allred is really a temporary solution. 00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:57.320 Bonnie Bray closes, we're closing that rail crossing. 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:02.880 We've had some conversations with John Polster with ITS, as well as the cog. 00:15:02.880 --> 00:15:09.000 There is a desire to have Brush Creek to continue all the way through to 35, so they have that 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.200 east-west connectivity. 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.680 So we're looking to get the rail crossing improved and get that roadway built. 00:15:15.680 --> 00:15:19.560 So they will be, all of this property, which I think is important, is going to be on a 00:15:19.560 --> 00:15:20.560 six-lane arterial. 00:15:20.560 --> 00:15:21.560 Thank you. 00:15:21.560 --> 00:15:22.560 Anything else? 00:15:22.560 --> 00:15:27.560 No? 00:15:27.560 --> 00:15:32.120 Okay, thanks, Angie. 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:36.800 Okay, that is our last public hearing item. 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:44.160 So that will take us to our work session report, which is 2A-PZ24089A, it's a Receiver Report 00:15:44.160 --> 00:15:48.960 Holder Discussion Related to Amending the DDC to Establish Community Engagement Incentive 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:50.680 Participation in its Process. 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:51.680 Hello, Keisha. 00:15:51.680 --> 00:15:57.800 Good evening, Chair and Commissioner, I'm Keisha Siriano, Assistant Planning Director. 00:15:57.800 --> 00:16:04.280 Here to talk to you tonight about community engagement incentives. 00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:10.000 We had our initial conversation back on June 12th, in your backup you'll see some comments 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.360 and responses from that meeting. 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.320 I do have a few comments that I pulled out that will be towards the end of this presentation 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.640 just to review what we discussed previously. 00:16:21.640 --> 00:16:27.040 So as we discussed previously, you know, community engagement from our developer community is 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:32.240 highly important, both from Planning Zoning Commission, City Council, as well as staff. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:37.800 Our development code does recommend to the participation process in regards to submitting 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:45.040 a system participation plan, participation report, specific notifications for residents 00:16:45.040 --> 00:16:48.960 within 200 feet and 500 feet and holding two neighborhood meetings. 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.200 That's all already in our code. 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.560 Staff does attend those meetings when we're notified. 00:16:55.560 --> 00:17:05.240 But unfortunately, over the last five years, we haven't received any system participation 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:08.280 plan or system participation reports. 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:13.040 And we know, again, as I stated, community engagement, hearing from the community, connecting 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:17.360 with the community, that's something that both the Commission and City Council and staff 00:17:17.360 --> 00:17:21.600 want to see more from our developer community. 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:26.240 So this is a staff-initiated amendment. 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:32.240 When we have more community engagement, typically it minimizes some of the delays from project 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.320 lines, from projects coming before you, where you have residents that come to you or City 00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:38.480 Council complaining about something. 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:46.120 So by adding this optional process, it provides an opportunity for the applicant and the residents 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:49.520 to get together on the front side and kind of work out any of the concerns they have 00:17:49.520 --> 00:17:52.880 before being presented to you. 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.160 So question that we're going to answer tonight is, how do we incentivize our applicants to 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:58.720 engage with the community? 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.080 Yes, we have seen more engagement. 00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:06.720 Yes, some of them are having more of those neighborhood meetings, but we would like to 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.520 have even more. 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:13.800 And so we just want to figure out if there's a way we can provide some incentives to encourage 00:18:13.800 --> 00:18:18.200 them to do so. 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:24.160 So we're recommending to do, to offer community engagement incentives for applicants who enter 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.920 into a MOU. 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.440 And when we talked in June, we was looking at an agreement. 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:31.320 We've now switched to an MOU. 00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:39.320 And what this optional process would do is the developer will work with a neighborhood, 00:18:39.320 --> 00:18:41.800 discuss their project as they normally would. 00:18:41.800 --> 00:18:46.480 If there's something in their project that the neighborhood would like to see, they would 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:51.720 work out, have meetings and figure out what needs they can work out and put in the MOU. 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:57.760 So some of those examples could be providing affordable housing within the project or providing 00:18:57.760 --> 00:19:01.960 job training classes, or even employing some of the residents in the neighborhood, or it 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:08.680 could be design characteristics, open space, allowing some open space, public open space 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:14.120 for residents to be able to use increased screening of buffering from the neighborhood. 00:19:14.120 --> 00:19:18.840 Some of the local examples, there was a 380 multifamily project. 00:19:18.840 --> 00:19:20.860 The developer worked with the neighborhood. 00:19:20.860 --> 00:19:25.960 They wanted more of a modern form house look on the project, and they agreed to it and 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:26.960 did it. 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.080 Another project was Woodrow. 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:36.280 They actually offered some scholarships for the neighborhood in exchange for their support 00:19:36.280 --> 00:19:40.260 for the project. 00:19:40.260 --> 00:19:45.120 So here are the two proposed incentives that we're recommending. 00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:52.280 Of course, if this gets approved down the line and there's more incentives that we think 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:57.120 may be needed or may be developed, whoever may ask for them, we can discuss those at 00:19:57.120 --> 00:19:58.120 those times. 00:19:58.120 --> 00:20:02.160 But the first one is the current submittal and review of the zoning compliance plan as 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:04.600 well as the civil engineering plan. 00:20:04.600 --> 00:20:10.880 The other one is the issuance of a clear and gray permit prior to recording of the final 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.720 plaque. 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:19.240 So in order to be eligible to receive these incentives, the project has to be a zoning 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.400 change request or specific use permit. 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:29.760 If they choose to enter into this optional process, they must submit that MOU with their 00:20:29.760 --> 00:20:32.880 application. 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:40.840 The applicant must have those meetings, connect with staff and have those conversations and 00:20:40.840 --> 00:20:46.480 send out notifications with at least 51% of the property owners located within 500 feet. 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:51.080 This doesn't negate anyone else that's not a property owner from participating in the 00:20:51.080 --> 00:20:52.080 process. 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:54.480 It's just the property owners will have the final say. 00:20:54.480 --> 00:21:00.200 And along with the MOU, they would need to supply signatures from 51% of those property 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:04.560 owners located within 500 feet of the project site. 00:21:04.560 --> 00:21:11.140 And the MOU would state that they agree with the project and any other quote unquote needs 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:15.200 the neighborhood has asked for would also be in there that they're agreeing to. 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:19.200 Property owners can choose to have a different entity negotiate on their behalf, whether 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.480 it's an HOA or someone else. 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:27.680 But in the end, like I said previously, the property owners would be the one to have the 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.440 final say. 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.480 There are some limitations on this. 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:40.840 So the MOU, we'd be looking for the terms and conditions of what we mentioned, what 00:21:40.840 --> 00:21:44.760 those needs are, what the neighborhood is looking for, clearly stated as far as the 00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:50.880 timeline as to when the applicant would perform those particular commitments, must not have 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:55.040 any conflict with our regulatory documents for the city. 00:21:55.040 --> 00:22:01.640 And it's noted in the code that the city would not enforce this if an applicant decides to 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:02.640 do this. 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:11.920 However, if we do hear that the applicant failed to perform what the community said 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:18.200 they want them to do, then this may impact their ability to apply for incentives in the 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:19.200 future. 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:27.200 So here's just a few of the comments. 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.640 Most of them are in your backups, just a few that we pulled from our conversation in June. 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.200 So one of the questions, why are we proposing this? 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.960 So as we started earlier on, this is an optional process. 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:43.920 We are wanting to increase the engagement in what we have in right now and hoping this 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:49.000 will entice our development community to engage more with their neighborhoods when they're 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.760 working on projects. 00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:59.240 Process may sound burdensome, but as again, it is optional process, and we know not everybody 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:05.160 will decide to do it, and we also know that not all projects will have an impact to adjacent 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.120 neighborhood as well. 00:23:08.120 --> 00:23:13.440 Why is staff requiring property owners instead of residents and business owners? 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:20.480 Yes, state law, like property owners typically are able, those are the ones most typically 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:21.840 listen to. 00:23:21.840 --> 00:23:27.040 They have the state law backing them as a property owner of that particular neighborhood 00:23:27.040 --> 00:23:28.720 living within that neighborhood. 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:32.560 It doesn't negate, as I said earlier, from renters or anyone within that 500 feet that 00:23:32.560 --> 00:23:34.840 receives a notice for participating. 00:23:34.840 --> 00:23:36.580 They can attend those meetings. 00:23:36.580 --> 00:23:40.320 They can express their concerns and ideas regarding the project. 00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:43.480 They can speak up and say whether they agree or not as well. 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:48.320 It's just the property owners would have the final say as a property owner within that 00:23:48.320 --> 00:23:51.680 500 feet. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.800 Who determines the greatest need? 00:23:53.800 --> 00:24:00.000 Again, that's whoever showed up to the meeting, whoever participates, is signed the agreement, 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.400 although that's who, and it's no different than what we do now. 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:09.440 There's examples here from St. Mark Catholic Church and Walker Giesling where the residents 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:10.440 took some time. 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:16.160 They had different views and opinions, and the applicant did have to wait and figure 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:21.960 out what it is they want to do with those different opinions happening within the neighborhood. 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.520 This could happen here. 00:24:23.520 --> 00:24:24.520 It happens now. 00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:27.600 It wouldn't be any different. 00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:31.160 We did, there's a question about did we reach out to the developers. 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:36.280 We did reach out to a local developer who regularly conducts community engagement with 00:24:36.280 --> 00:24:42.920 Denton projects, and she was the one I mentioned earlier who actually worked out at MOU to 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:51.920 have those increased design characteristics on the project, a 380 multifamily project. 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.760 This process would enhance what we're already doing. 00:24:56.760 --> 00:25:01.320 We would continue to assist in mailing the notifications out to applicants. 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:05.960 Those neighborhood meeting staff will continue to encourage those to happen and continue 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:12.880 to attend as available, continue to share best practices when communicating with our 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:13.880 developers. 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:20.120 There's a flyer when we share this, the last time that was created, just to help our developers 00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:23.460 in better communicating with neighborhood residents. 00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:29.880 So we're working on a website to post this to as well as with other tips for them, working 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.400 on getting a poster front desk and share pre-application meetings. 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:39.240 We did have a developer town hall meeting about a month ago, and this was provided there 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:47.280 and quite a few of the developers did, I did see them pick this up and take that with them. 00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:50.360 This includes my presentation and I stand for questions. 00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:51.360 Thank you. 00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:52.360 Thank you. 00:25:52.360 --> 00:25:53.360 Questions? 00:25:53.360 --> 00:25:56.880 I mean, I guess I'll start. 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:04.680 So we're saying we're having difficulty having neighborhood engagement or getting these, 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:11.640 I don't remember what you called them, these community engagement things submitted now. 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.840 So do we think these incentives are actually going to help with that? 00:26:14.840 --> 00:26:22.240 I mean, the incentives, sorry, they don't seem that strong, so help me understand that. 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:27.000 So the process you're talking about is a system translation report and the plan. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.040 Yeah, you're saying we're not really getting that now. 00:26:30.040 --> 00:26:31.040 Right. 00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:36.040 But we're hoping to do this just to increase the engagement, so it's separate from that, 00:26:36.040 --> 00:26:40.680 but that's still going to be in the code, but we're just going to, we are proposing 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:46.200 to add this to the code as another option, as another way to encourage our applicants 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.480 to engage with the community. 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.780 And if I can add to that, what we've heard is that if they're going to go through this 00:26:53.780 --> 00:26:59.280 additional length of time to engage with the community, then what they really see valuable 00:26:59.280 --> 00:27:03.360 is that early clearing grade permit prior to the final plat being recorded. 00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:09.680 So because that allows them to get a jumpstart, if you will, on construction. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:15.160 We have some other checks and balances in place that we'll still enforce, but nonetheless 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:19.960 they're really looking for that opportunity for that clearing grade permit prior to then. 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.440 Okay, so help me understand that, if you could. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:24.440 How much time are we talking about? 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.740 How difficult is it to record a final plat that's been approved? 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.320 So great question. 00:27:30.320 --> 00:27:35.240 So a variety of things can come into play in terms of getting signatures or what have 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.960 you, but what we've heard in talking with the development community, particularly with 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.640 the representative that we've had on several projects, that is one of the things that she 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:49.040 has indicated that would be a significant benefit to be able to have that accomplished. 00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:53.360 So because we'll still make sure the tree preservation inspection has been done and 00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:57.640 we'll make sure that the watershed inspection has been done, but they feel like if they 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.320 could get that clearing grade permit, it just gains them a little more time. 00:28:01.320 --> 00:28:06.000 So that combined with then also the opportunity to have a zoning compliance plan in the civil 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:11.760 engineering plans reviewed simultaneously, that will actually save them several weeks 00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:16.600 in that process, because typically we recommend they do their zoning compliance plan first, 00:28:16.600 --> 00:28:17.960 get that approved. 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.400 The more savvy developers can probably get that approved within four weeks. 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.680 For some with more complicated sites, it takes a little longer. 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.720 And then with the civil engineering plans, that's an even more in-depth review. 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.440 So by having those happen simultaneously, they can keep the plans updated between the 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.720 two projects or between the two development applications. 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:40.280 So they feel that it will save them several weeks in their overall timeline. 00:28:40.280 --> 00:28:43.680 And for them, you know, time is money. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:54.200 Yeah, I mean, a lot of it seems arduous for staff, like looking at signatures and I'm 00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:55.760 just -- I'm trying to wrap my head around it. 00:28:55.760 --> 00:28:58.520 I was a little skeptical last time. 00:28:58.520 --> 00:29:02.880 So I'm kind of still there because I'm just trying to -- it's just -- I just don't know 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.080 that it will do what it is that we want it to do. 00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:10.600 I like the handout that you said developers took. 00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:12.840 I think that is really good, best practices. 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:15.000 I think that was fantastic. 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.120 But I'm just -- I'm struggling a little bit. 00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:23.840 And then also, you know, on this draft under limitations where it talks about -- I mean, 00:29:23.840 --> 00:29:26.140 we can enforce the MOU. 00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:31.200 So if they don't do it, I mean, there's nothing we can do about it as a city. 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.680 And then we have here that it may impact their ability for future incentives. 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:41.400 So I mean, what's to say somebody does this, gets their head start on a project, doesn't 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:46.440 go through with it, and then come back and, you know, and does that again? 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.440 And I don't know. 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.840 That's obviously worst-case scenario. 00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:53.720 And I don't know if somebody would go through all of this just to get that. 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.720 I don't know. 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.720 But -- 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:03.520 >> So, you know, what we found -- looking at this that we've proposed and thinking about 00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:09.200 past projects where engagement has been done, particularly like on projects that are involving 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:16.320 plan development district requests or specific use permits, you know, much of what the community 00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:21.360 and the developer come into agreement with is in all likelihood reflected in the plans 00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:23.160 and codified as part of the ordinance. 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:30.160 So anything that's design-related on a project, then that's going to be included, whether 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.040 it's in the plans or the written text of the PD and in the SUP ordinance. 00:30:34.040 --> 00:30:36.240 So that we will be able to enforce. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.280 But, you know, on a project like the Woodrow Multifamily where the developer proposed to 00:30:40.280 --> 00:30:43.880 offer scholarships, you know, we're not enforcing that. 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:48.840 If they end up not holding up their end of the bargain and providing those scholarships, 00:30:48.840 --> 00:30:52.800 you know, we're not going to take their CO away and make them tear down their multifamily 00:30:52.800 --> 00:30:53.800 development, right? 00:30:53.800 --> 00:30:54.800 >> Right, sure. 00:30:54.800 --> 00:30:58.280 >> So, you know, there is a component there, good-faith effort, that the developer will 00:30:58.280 --> 00:31:02.360 continue to provide the scholarships as they committed to. 00:31:02.360 --> 00:31:06.720 If they don't, work will get out on the street and the court of public opinion will probably 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.960 make it well-known to us that they did not uphold their end of the bargain and let you 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.720 all know as well. 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.880 And I think if anything, what is going to result is not getting neighborhood support 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.600 on future projects, particularly if the developer is working within that area of the community. 00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:28.960 Did you ever think that it could come back as a negative on the city because, you know, 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:34.400 the everyday citizen doesn't necessarily understand that an MOU is not enforceable by the city. 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:41.400 So, you know, does that inadvertently make the city, you know, look really bad and make 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:47.800 us, you know, less trustworthy because, you know, this was approved or talked about before 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:54.240 the project and it doesn't happen and, you know, there could be some misconception there. 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.240 Hello, Scott. 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.240 >> Hi. 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.400 I guess one more piece I wanted to add or suggest in here that I think staff, what staff 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.640 is attempting to do is provide tools in the toolbox. 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:11.160 So, just as Carrie had pointed out, just where we can provide those opportunities to have 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.880 greater touch points, that's what we wish to do. 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:22.680 So it's not -- it's not that this is the silver bullet that solves everything for everybody. 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.000 It's one more tool in our toolbox to allow people an opportunity or encourage those types 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.280 of things. 00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:32.880 And I don't know what I just said, but I meant Keisha if I said Kira. 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:39.860 They just caught up to me, which is a consultant from Tina, so my apologies. 00:32:39.860 --> 00:32:45.080 So that's all that is and again, we hope that it would provide in a better light that the 00:32:45.080 --> 00:32:49.960 city is attempting to do something rather than not. 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.360 It's just one more piece that we offer. 00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:57.160 And I think we'll have any number of things that we'll be bringing forward to the commission 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:04.780 in hopes of trying to streamline, expedite, maybe tighten our rules and reinforce what 00:33:04.780 --> 00:33:10.120 council and P and Z is asking us to do, but maybe streamline the process of doing that 00:33:10.120 --> 00:33:12.460 as we might make rules more rigid. 00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:14.280 So that's all I wanted to say. 00:33:14.280 --> 00:33:15.280 Thank you. 00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:16.280 >> Okay. 00:33:16.280 --> 00:33:17.280 Thank you, Scott. 00:33:17.280 --> 00:33:18.280 Commissioner Thacker. 00:33:18.280 --> 00:33:19.280 >> Thank you, Chair. 00:33:19.280 --> 00:33:24.880 Do we not think maybe something -- there would be some other route that would be more effective, 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:29.800 so instead of maybe the MOA, any new developer sends some representative from the company 00:33:29.800 --> 00:33:39.840 or HR PR that comes in and sits through like a quarterly, I don't know, presentation about 00:33:39.840 --> 00:33:43.760 the city, about the community that they're in, and that's something we could actually 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:44.760 enforce. 00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:48.080 You know, like you need to send this representative, they need to sit through the training, and 00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:54.840 then they get a sit and get on something that -- where we get to sort of tailor the presentation, 00:33:54.840 --> 00:33:59.560 what they need to know, what we want them to know, and sort of nurture that relationship 00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:08.720 from our side instead of, again, trying to not only create an MOA, but issue the MOA, 00:34:08.720 --> 00:34:11.680 keep track of the MOA, and then, of course, there's always the -- 00:34:11.680 --> 00:34:12.680 >> MOU, correct. 00:34:12.680 --> 00:34:13.680 >> Or the MOU. 00:34:13.680 --> 00:34:14.680 Sorry. 00:34:14.680 --> 00:34:15.680 Sorry. 00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:17.680 We call it memorandum of agreements at IT. 00:34:17.680 --> 00:34:23.680 But it's -- another thing that I think I get concerned with, too, is that what if they 00:34:23.680 --> 00:34:25.760 only have a singular project? 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.120 Like what if they're only coming in to do one project? 00:34:29.120 --> 00:34:33.960 And so they say that they're willing to, you know, provide these scholarships or whatever 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:41.720 else, and the consequence is, you know, maybe that -- I mean, again, I'm really torn here 00:34:41.720 --> 00:34:47.960 because it seems like we get to the point where if we wanted to really stick it to them, 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.960 you know, we have to follow code, we have to follow the law. 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.360 It's not like, again, we can hold our feet to the fire on anything. 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.960 So I go back to what Margie said there. 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.280 I just think it might be more effective to consider something we can enforce, which is 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.720 attending one of these workshops that we do for two or three hours and let the developer 00:35:04.720 --> 00:35:08.240 who may not even live here understand where they're building and who they're building 00:35:08.240 --> 00:35:09.240 around. 00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:15.800 >> And I guess that kind of happens now with, like, a pre -- right, a pre-meeting. 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.800 I know those aren't required. 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:17.800 >> Right. 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.200 >> But it seems to happen more often than not. 00:35:20.200 --> 00:35:24.720 >> Yeah, they happen more often than not because when we do these pre-application conferences, 00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:28.520 the applicants wanting to understand what is the process that they need to follow here 00:35:28.520 --> 00:35:29.520 in Dutton. 00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:32.520 And so that's when staff strongly encourages them. 00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:36.760 Once they file their application, you know, staff is typically asking them, did you do 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.320 any neighborhood engagement, when did you do it, what was the feedback that was received. 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.400 If they let us know when they're planning on doing their neighborhood engagement meeting, 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.440 then we do try to be in attendance so we can at least listen to hear what the neighborhood 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.440 concerns are. 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.880 So we try to do a lot of encouraging on the front end. 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.080 Do take our advice. 00:35:55.080 --> 00:35:59.640 Those that do not seem to find themselves delayed later in the process, despite, you 00:35:59.640 --> 00:36:01.920 know, our efforts to try and educate them better. 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.360 So it's, again, like just, you know, Scott pointed out, was just, you know, another tool 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:13.240 in the toolbox to try and help with incentivizing that neighborhood engagement and being able 00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:16.920 to communicate to the development community of why it's important to engage with our residents 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:17.920 here in our community. 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.360 Anybody else? 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.640 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:27.640 >> Thank you, Chair. 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:32.920 Thank you for the answers to the questions and the follow-up, I appreciate that. 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:41.360 You know, I'm having a hard time seeing how this is going to have the desired effect, 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:46.880 which I believe would be increased engagement in neighborhoods that are active and things 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.720 blow up at the end. 00:36:49.720 --> 00:36:59.120 Because the types of developments that would incur the largest time and monetary cost to 00:36:59.120 --> 00:37:15.120 go through this process to gain a 51% agreement are the types where we're trying to solve 00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:17.020 the problem, I guess. 00:37:17.020 --> 00:37:24.480 It's like we're -- I'm concerned that the policy as written puts the most burden on 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.240 the developers in the areas that we most want them to increase engagement, right? 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:36.560 I mean, just from a planning perspective, do we -- have we had, like in our area plans, 00:37:36.560 --> 00:37:42.560 have we had greater than 51% response and engagement of the community? 00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:52.520 I know we've had a lot, but 51%, that's -- it seems to me -- I'll stop after this -- that 00:37:52.520 --> 00:38:01.560 as written, this would end up not affecting infill type spots at all, because it's too 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:02.560 hard to do it. 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:06.640 So they'll just say, no, I'm not going to -- like, I'm never going to get to 51%, so 00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:16.360 I even try, and it will accelerate things at our rural fringe because, oh, okay, well, 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.360 I only have three neighbors. 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.640 I can go talk to them on a Sunday afternoon, and I get two of them to sign, and I'm good. 00:38:21.640 --> 00:38:25.160 I get my month and a half bonus. 00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:27.920 So that's where I'm coming from. 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:37.140 Now, I have those similar thoughts, it seems like a very burdensome, complicated process 00:38:37.140 --> 00:38:39.360 that -- and we're saying it's a tool. 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.200 I just don't know that it's a tool anyone would use, to be honest with you. 00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:50.680 I mean, I think it's -- it would be difficult, either impossible in some situations, as Vice 00:38:50.680 --> 00:38:58.680 Chair Pruitt pointed out, of getting 51% of that area to agree, but then, again, going 00:38:58.680 --> 00:39:05.080 through all of these steps of filling out the report and then getting the signatures, 00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:11.580 and then what it's going to take on staff's end to, I guess, make sure the signatures 00:39:11.580 --> 00:39:12.580 are real. 00:39:12.580 --> 00:39:19.080 You know, it seems incredibly burdensome, but Commissioner Colt -- oh, sorry. 00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:22.840 No, I was just going to say, the signatures part for us -- I mean, we do that every day 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.640 with every zoning case that we get, right? 00:39:24.640 --> 00:39:28.200 Anytime we get a letter in, we look to see, are they within the notification area so we 00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:29.200 can report that to you. 00:39:29.200 --> 00:39:30.200 So we already do that. 00:39:30.200 --> 00:39:31.200 That's no different. 00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:37.920 And, you know, the concern regarding the 51% -- I would not use an area plan as a comparable 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.600 example, because an area plan -- I mean, our area plans are 400 acres, if not larger, some 00:39:42.600 --> 00:39:44.720 up to 900 acres. 00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:49.640 In the case of a development project, though, that's why we put the limitation on a defined 00:39:49.640 --> 00:39:50.640 area. 00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:54.680 So we set it at 500 feet because of the fact that we sent out the courtesy postcards to 00:39:54.680 --> 00:39:59.220 all residents who have utility accounts with us within 500 feet. 00:39:59.220 --> 00:40:03.840 So that's a much more defined area, whether that's capturing 100 property owners or five 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:04.840 property owners. 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.840 At least it's more of a defined area. 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:07.840 Okay. 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.520 And I know, Commissioner Colt, I'll get to you in just one second, I know one of the 00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:17.400 questions that we had last time, I think was mine, where it talked about did we talk to 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.400 any developers about this? 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:26.440 And I mean, it looks like you talked to a contractor for a developer, someone who helps 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:31.860 a developer, because I know -- I believe I know who the person you have referenced there. 00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:37.400 But did we actually talk out -- talk to any developers themselves to see, like, is this 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.360 something that -- you know, and even I would be curious as to what she said, if she thought 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.040 this was something that people would want to do. 00:40:48.040 --> 00:40:49.040 Did you get any -- 00:40:49.040 --> 00:40:50.040 I had spoken with her. 00:40:50.040 --> 00:40:51.040 Okay. 00:40:51.040 --> 00:40:52.040 Right. 00:40:52.040 --> 00:40:57.040 So I had visited with her, and she actually thought that this was a really good idea and 00:40:57.040 --> 00:40:59.520 that her clients would engage in this. 00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:03.160 Of course, you know, with her business model, she does a lot of engagement. 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:08.000 That would help her business model, because it would take her to do this. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.000 I mean, I'm pretty convinced -- 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:10.000 I don't disagree. 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.000 Yeah. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.000 So I'm -- 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:13.000 I don't disagree whatsoever. 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.000 Smart business owner. 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.000 Yes. 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.000 Yeah. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.000 Okay. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.000 I don't disagree at all. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.120 But, you know, we can also -- we interact with developers on a regular basis, and so 00:41:22.120 --> 00:41:28.520 we can also ask them this as well within our -- you know, when we're working with them 00:41:28.520 --> 00:41:30.840 on other projects, you know, we can always reach out to them and say, hey, what do you 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.800 think of this process, and see what they think, especially those that regularly do business 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:35.800 within Denton. 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.240 I can think of several that we could reach out to instead of just this one particular 00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:44.620 individual that we happen to know, and part of the reason why we reached out to the one 00:41:44.620 --> 00:41:49.160 particular individual is because of the success that they had, particularly with that project 00:41:49.160 --> 00:41:55.600 that Mia had, that multifamily request over there by Old North, so -- and -- so, yeah, 00:41:55.600 --> 00:41:59.520 so -- but we can continue to reach out to others and see how valuable they think it 00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:03.520 would be, and whether or not any other clients would really take advantage of it. 00:42:03.520 --> 00:42:06.440 Commissioner Cole. 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:07.440 Thank you, Chair. 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.800 I concur 100 percent with Commissioner Pruitt's concerns. 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:18.440 I just don't really see much efficacy in this at all. 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:26.000 I just see it as a burdensome process, and I don't -- my attitude hasn't changed towards 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.760 it, so just let that be. 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:29.760 Thank you. 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.760 Anything else? 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:37.920 I don't know exactly what you were looking for, like, from just comment, more comments, 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:38.920 more -- 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:39.920 More comments. 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:40.920 Okay. 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:41.920 We are anticipating to -- 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:42.920 Okay. 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.960 -- bring this back for public hearing on August 14th in the council, September 17th. 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.960 Okay. 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.640 But, yes, just more comments and feedback from you all. 00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:54.560 And I don't know if you all had an opportunity to look at the draft ordinance. 00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:58.440 We did propose the draft ordinance in there, so unlike the last time when we came -- 00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.440 Mm-hmm. 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:00.440 -- before you, we presented a concept. 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:01.440 Mm-hmm. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.000 So, Keisha's worked hard on -- in working with Hillary on getting the ordinance in a 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.520 good possible position for moving forward with, so. 00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:20.040 So, maybe if -- yeah, we have future comment, we can -- if we come up with more, we can 00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:21.040 email you. 00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:22.040 Sure thing. 00:43:22.040 --> 00:43:23.040 Yeah. 00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:24.040 Between now and then. 00:43:24.040 --> 00:43:26.760 I mean, you're obviously, I think, getting a lukewarm response from the commission -- 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:27.760 [laughter] 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:28.760 -- as you have spoken. 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:29.760 So -- 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.120 I feel like we might be going down in flames. 00:43:31.120 --> 00:43:37.760 Well, so, I mean, yeah, and I don't know -- I really don't know, yeah, what -- I don't 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:45.200 know how you could make the process less burdensome, at least, how we're seeing it. 00:43:45.200 --> 00:43:47.840 Maybe if you have a little more outreach and come back with more -- 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:48.840 We can do that. 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.840 -- information from other people. 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.000 I mean, again, I am all for community engagement, 100%. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:59.000 It makes the projects -- we all know that, that better, you know, and I just don't know 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.880 that this is going to do anything to help that. 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:05.240 But thank you -- 00:44:05.240 --> 00:44:06.240 Thank you. 00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:09.440 -- for your work, and we'll see you in a couple of weeks. 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.440 Thank you. 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:11.440 Thank you. 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.440 Thank you. 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:17.520 That concludes our work session, so I will go ahead and adjourn us at 5.44 p.m., and 00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:20.640 we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30. 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:20.840 Thank you. 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:30.600 Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:34.440 Wednesday, July 24th, 2024. 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.320 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.31 p.m. 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.360 Let the record show that Commissioner Padrone is absent tonight. 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:47.240 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 00:44:47.240 --> 00:44:54.240 I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for 00:44:54.240 --> 00:45:03.240 which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:45:03.240 --> 00:45:05.240 Honor the Texas Flag. 00:45:05.240 --> 00:45:15.240 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one State, under God, one and indivisible. 00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:16.240 Thank you. 00:45:16.240 --> 00:45:24.240 The first item of business is item two, consider approval of our minutes for June 26th. 00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:25.240 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:45:25.240 --> 00:45:26.240 Move approval. 00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:27.240 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:28.240 Second. 00:45:28.240 --> 00:45:30.240 We've got a first and a second for approval. 00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:32.240 Any discussion? 00:45:32.240 --> 00:45:39.240 Let's vote, please. 00:45:39.240 --> 00:45:41.240 That passes 5-0. 00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:45.240 Next we'll go to items for individual consideration, the first one being 3A. 00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:48.240 F.R. 240005. 00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:49.240 Bryce is here for presentation. 00:45:49.240 --> 00:45:50.240 Hello. 00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:51.240 Good evening, Chair, Commission. 00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:57.240 Bryce VanArtsdale, Assistant Planner. 00:45:57.240 --> 00:46:00.240 This is final replat 240005. 00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:06.240 It is one-half mile from on the east side of South Bonnie Bray on the north side of Roselon 00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:07.240 Drive. 00:46:07.240 --> 00:46:11.240 So this plat currently does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff has no objections 00:46:11.240 --> 00:46:15.240 to its requested extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.240 I'll stand for any questions. 00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:18.240 Awesome. 00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:20.240 Thank you, Bryce. 00:46:20.240 --> 00:46:21.240 Questions? 00:46:21.240 --> 00:46:23.240 Thank you. 00:46:23.240 --> 00:46:24.240 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:46:24.240 --> 00:46:25.240 Move approval. 00:46:25.240 --> 00:46:29.240 The extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:30.240 Thank you. 00:46:30.240 --> 00:46:31.240 Commissioner Thaggard. 00:46:31.240 --> 00:46:32.240 Second. 00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:35.240 We've got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of 00:46:35.240 --> 00:46:38.240 August 14th, 2024. 00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:39.240 Discussion? 00:46:39.240 --> 00:46:43.240 Okay, let's vote, please. 00:46:43.240 --> 00:46:49.240 That motion carries 5-0. 00:46:49.240 --> 00:46:53.240 That'll take us to 3-B, PP240003. 00:46:53.240 --> 00:46:54.240 Bryce again. 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:55.240 Hello again. 00:46:55.240 --> 00:46:56.240 Bryce VanArtsdale, Assistant Planner. 00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:59.240 This is PP240003. 00:46:59.240 --> 00:47:06.240 It's a preliminary plat that will create 63 residential lots as well as eight HOA lots. 00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:12.240 This preliminary plat was part of a zoning case that was approved by the commission unanimously 00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:15.240 back in April and by the City Council in May. 00:47:15.240 --> 00:47:18.240 While this plat currently does not meet our criteria for approval, staff has no objection 00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:22.240 to the requested extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:24.240 I'll stand for any questions. 00:47:24.240 --> 00:47:26.240 Thank you. 00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:29.240 I do not see any questions. 00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:30.240 Thank you. 00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:31.240 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:36.240 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:38.240 Thank you, Commissioner Cole. 00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:39.240 Second. 00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:43.240 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 00:47:43.240 --> 00:47:46.240 14th, 2024. 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:53.240 Okay, let's vote, please. 00:47:53.240 --> 00:48:00.240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-C, FP240025, which has been withdrawn by the 00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:08.240 applicant, and that will move us to 3-D, FP240024, and Sean is here for presentation. 00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:09.240 Hello. 00:48:09.240 --> 00:48:12.240 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:21.240 So, yes, this is FP24-0024A, which is the Sage Creek Townhomes addition. 00:48:21.240 --> 00:48:26.240 Staff is recommending denial at this time because they have not yet met the criteria for approval, 00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:31.240 but we have no objection to the request at extension, which would be to a date certain 00:48:31.240 --> 00:48:32.240 of August 14th. 00:48:32.240 --> 00:48:34.240 Happy to answer any questions. 00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:35.240 Thank you, Sean. 00:48:35.240 --> 00:48:36.240 Questions? 00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:38.240 I do not see any. 00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:42.240 Thank you very much. 00:48:42.240 --> 00:48:44.240 Commissioner Cole. 00:48:44.240 --> 00:48:50.240 I make a motion to approve the extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:51.240 Great. 00:48:51.240 --> 00:48:52.240 Commissioner Thagard. 00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:53.240 Second. 00:48:53.240 --> 00:48:56.240 I make a motion first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of 00:48:56.240 --> 00:48:59.240 August 14th, 2024. 00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:07.240 Let's vote, please. 00:49:07.240 --> 00:49:14.240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-E, FP240026. 00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:15.240 Hello again, Sean. 00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:16.240 All right. 00:49:16.240 --> 00:49:23.240 Good evening again, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FP240026. 00:49:23.240 --> 00:49:26.240 Again, this is for the Ascentio Ventures addition. 00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:31.240 They have not yet reached a point where we can recommend approval, so we are recommending 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:36.240 denial, but we have no objection to the request at extension, which can be to a date certain 00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:37.240 of August 14th. 00:49:37.240 --> 00:49:40.240 Happy to answer any questions. 00:49:40.240 --> 00:49:41.240 Thank you. 00:49:41.240 --> 00:49:43.240 I do not see any questions. 00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:44.240 Thank you. 00:49:44.240 --> 00:49:45.240 Thank you much. 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:46.240 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:52.240 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:53.240 Commissioner Thagard. 00:49:53.240 --> 00:49:54.240 Second. 00:49:54.240 --> 00:50:00.240 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:01.240 2024. 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:08.240 Let's vote, please. 00:50:08.240 --> 00:50:14.240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-F, FP240023. 00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:16.240 And Matt is here for presentation. 00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:17.240 Hello? 00:50:17.240 --> 00:50:18.240 Hello. 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:19.240 Good evening, Commission. 00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:26.760 Matt Bourdine, Assistant Planner, here to present a final plot to create a lot from 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:31.040 a 15-acre track on Fishtrap Road. 00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:36.240 This plot does not meet our criteria for approval, so the staff recommends denial. 00:50:36.240 --> 00:50:44.240 However, staff has no objection to the requested extension presented. 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:47.800 Thank you very much. 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:48.800 Commissioner Villarreal. 00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:54.000 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.000 Commissioner Thagard. 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.000 Second. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.000 Excuse me. 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:02.320 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:03.600 2024. 00:51:03.600 --> 00:51:11.840 Let's vote, please. 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.280 That motion carries 5-0. 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:20.000 That will take us to our public hearing items for this evening, the first being 4A and B, 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.440 which are related. 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.280 4A is PD230001. 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.760 4B is Z220018. 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:34.760 I will go ahead and open those public hearings for both item 4A and 4B. 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:35.760 Angie is here. 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:36.760 Hello. 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:37.760 Hi. 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:48.560 Yes, these are two zoning cases related to Denton 195, cases PD230001 and Z220018. 00:51:48.560 --> 00:51:52.960 This item was continued at the June 12th meeting. 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:58.880 We are requesting additional continuance of the public hearing for both items to August 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:03.920 14th in order for staff to have an opportunity to conduct a neighborhood meeting with the 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:09.040 residents adjacent to the property in the greater neighborhood. 00:52:09.040 --> 00:52:15.880 That meeting will be held next Tuesday, July 30th at 630 p.m. at the Dean Yarek Center. 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:16.880 Okay. 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:23.960 So staff is requesting this be postponed, both items to August 14th, 2024. 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:29.320 So we'll go ahead and look for a motion individually for 4A. 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.320 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:36.760 Move to continue public hearing 4A to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:37.760 Commissioner Thagard? 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:38.760 A second. 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:44.000 We've got a first and a second to postpone this item to a date certain of August 14th, 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.400 2024, leaving the public hearing open. 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.240 Any discussion? 00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:51.240 Okay. 00:52:51.240 --> 00:53:03.520 Let's vote, please. 00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:05.680 That motion carries 5-0. 00:53:05.680 --> 00:53:24.620 We're going to figure out what is causing all of our lower hearing notifications. 00:53:24.620 --> 00:53:37.760 While they look into that, we'll go ahead and entertain the postponement of 4B, Z220018. 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:38.760 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:46.200 I move to continue public hearing 4B to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 00:53:46.200 --> 00:53:47.200 Great. 00:53:47.200 --> 00:53:48.200 Commissioner Cole? 00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:49.200 Second. 00:53:49.200 --> 00:53:54.880 Okay, we've got a first and a second to postpone this item to a date certain of August 14th, 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.520 2024, leaving that public hearing open. 00:53:57.520 --> 00:53:58.520 Any discussion? 00:53:58.520 --> 00:53:59.520 Okay. 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:09.800 Let's vote, please. 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.640 That motion carries 5-0. 00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:18.440 Our next public hearing item is 4C, S230001. 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.120 Ashley is here for presentation and I will open the public hearing. 00:54:22.120 --> 00:54:27.640 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Ashley Eckstead, Associate Planner. 00:54:27.640 --> 00:54:32.200 This is S2313301 North Elm Multifamily. 00:54:32.200 --> 00:54:36.320 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow multifamily use on approximately 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.800 2.4 acres of land generally located on the south side of North Elm Street east of Riney 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:41.800 Road. 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:47.680 The existing zoning is R7 and the future land use is neighborhood mixed use. 00:54:47.680 --> 00:54:51.800 There are several site constraints that do make this site harder to develop. 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.320 Elm is a text dot roadway which impacts landscaping. 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.600 We're not allowed to have the trees in the right of way and then there's also a utility 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:03.500 easement along the front which is shown here in yellow and we're also not allowed to place 00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:05.360 trees within that easement. 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:09.880 There's also several other existing easements on this site which I've also outlined in yellow. 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:16.280 These are drainage easements, utility easements, and an easement for a sanitary sewer line. 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:20.640 The proposed site plan, they are proposing two multifamily buildings that contain 67 00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:21.640 residences. 00:55:21.640 --> 00:55:24.420 These will be three stories or approximately 40 feet. 00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:28.680 Those buildings are outlined in red on the site plan so you can see how they had to work 00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:31.880 the shape of the buildings around the existing easements. 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:36.540 There'll be 108 parking spaces and they will also be constructing a left turn lane. 00:55:36.540 --> 00:55:41.280 They will have one full access drive which is the southernmost access drive and then 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.840 they'll also have one emergency only access drive. 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:48.560 That subdivision variance was granted by the Planning and Zoning Commission last October 00:55:48.560 --> 00:55:56.080 for one point of full access and then one point of emergency access. 00:55:56.080 --> 00:55:57.880 They are proposing landscaping on the site. 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:03.080 They'll have 28% landscape area and 41% tree canopy cover. 00:56:03.080 --> 00:56:07.200 They still are placing the street trees along North Elm in areas where they're able to be 00:56:07.200 --> 00:56:08.200 along the right of way. 00:56:08.200 --> 00:56:13.000 They have large tree species and they're proposing a smaller tree species next to the buildings 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:17.480 before the easement so they could still have trees along the right of way, outside of the 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.560 tech stop right of way and outside of the existing easement. 00:56:21.560 --> 00:56:27.480 They'll also be providing parking lot landscaping which includes end caps and landscape islands. 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.800 They're proposing an eight foot board on board wood fence along the majority of the southern 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.440 property line where the sanitary sewer easement runs through. 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.640 There is not a fence proposed there and then there's also the drainage easement along the 00:56:39.640 --> 00:56:42.000 western property line. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.840 They do have the required landscape buffer which contains trees and large shrubbery and 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:51.000 then there's also additional screening of large shrubbery located within the drainage 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.840 easement as approved by tech stop. 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.920 It does meet the criteria for approval. 00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.560 It's consistent with the goals and policies of the 2040 Comprehensive Plan and the future 00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:01.800 land use map. 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.720 It's compatible with the surrounding area and approval of this SUP is not expected to 00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:10.640 generate significant adverse environmental infrastructure or fiscal impacts. 00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:11.640 Public outreach was done. 00:57:11.640 --> 00:57:16.080 We posted an ad in the newspaper and on the website, a sign was posted on the property. 00:57:16.080 --> 00:57:19.080 We mailed out notices to everyone within 500 feet. 00:57:19.080 --> 00:57:23.800 Earlier today, you did receive a response in opposition and that is one property owner 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:29.920 with the three parcels outlined in red on this map and that does exceed the 20% so it 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:34.920 will require a super majority at council and the applicant also held a neighborhood meeting 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.800 on December 30th. 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.560 Staff does recommend approval of the SUP with the conditions presented in the backup and 00:57:41.560 --> 00:57:45.240 it is tentatively scheduled for city council on August 20th. 00:57:45.240 --> 00:57:49.080 I'm happy to answer any questions and the applicant is also here for questions. 00:57:49.080 --> 00:57:51.520 Thank you Ashley. 00:57:51.520 --> 00:57:53.640 My screen see if there's any questions. 00:57:53.640 --> 00:57:57.920 Do you know if any neighborhood outreach was done? 00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:58.920 From the applicant? 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:00.980 They had a neighborhood meeting. 00:58:00.980 --> 00:58:03.080 It was on December 30th of last year. 00:58:03.080 --> 00:58:04.080 They had two. 00:58:04.080 --> 00:58:05.200 Was it two that I read? 00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:06.200 Yes. 00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:09.280 Do you know if this person in opposition was one of the attendees? 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:14.500 I do not believe so. 00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:18.840 Any questions for staff at this time? 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:23.400 I don't have any cards in front of me wishing to speak on this item but it is a public hearing. 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:29.240 Is there anyone wishing to speak? 00:58:29.240 --> 00:58:37.240 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or discussion. 00:58:37.240 --> 00:58:47.280 I have some kind of discussion. 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.800 I'll move approval as presented by staff. 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:53.800 Okay. 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:54.800 Thank you. 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.800 Commissioner Cole? 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.800 Second. 00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:58.400 We've got a first and a second for approval. 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.880 Is there any discussion? 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:01.880 Commissioner Villarreal? 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:07.160 Thank you chair and thank you to the applicant for your work on this and thank you to staff. 00:59:07.160 --> 00:59:13.480 I do not believe this fits within the current landscape of the area so I'm going to vote 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:14.480 no. 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:15.480 Thank you. 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:18.880 Commissioner Villarreal, can you give any specifics as to why? 00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.800 I mean there's definitely multifamily in the area. 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.440 Traffic concerns as to additional multifamily being added to the area as well as drainage 00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:27.440 concerns. 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.840 So as of now I'll be voting no. 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:30.840 Okay. 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:31.840 Thank you. 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:32.840 Any other discussion? 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:33.840 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.840 Thank you chair. 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:48.120 I think what we have here is some odd shaped lots that got hemmed in by a triangle of roadways, 00:59:48.120 --> 00:59:57.440 one of them being a textile roadway and because of that, much of it has remained undeveloped 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:04.560 except for a little strip center on the south side of that triangle and so what has happened 01:00:04.560 --> 01:00:08.640 is things have developed around it, right? 01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:19.760 So I'm sensitive to the fact that this application does change that block a decent amount but 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:27.920 when you zoom out it doesn't appear to change the, call it half mile shed area around that 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.840 very much to me. 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:38.560 You know, I think it would be different if all north of here it was still rural and it's 01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:39.560 not. 01:00:39.560 --> 01:00:40.920 So I guess those are my thoughts. 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:41.920 Yeah. 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:42.920 I appreciate that. 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.120 Yeah and I'll echo similar thoughts. 01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:53.500 I think this, for the odd lot that it is, I think it's a very well thought out plan. 01:00:53.500 --> 01:01:00.000 I think the way the buildings are situated on Elm makes sense. 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.600 We've got multifamily across the street. 01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:09.960 We've got larger dense multifamily as we head away from this area. 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.200 It's only 67 units. 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:19.440 It's certainly a small scale multifamily which does, I believe, fit with the surrounding 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.440 area. 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:29.360 I do appreciate the input from the residents who did share their opinion but I do think 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:35.560 the staff did a great job working with the applicant in presenting a well planned development. 01:01:35.560 --> 01:01:37.840 Any other discussion before we take a vote? 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:38.840 Okay. 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:48.000 Let's go ahead and vote please. 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.600 That motion will carry for one. 01:01:50.600 --> 01:01:52.440 It will go to council. 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.480 What was the date on that? 01:01:54.480 --> 01:02:01.240 August 20th is the date for council requiring that super majority, that proper owner remains 01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:02.840 in opposition. 01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:08.240 That will take us to our last two public hearing items for today. 01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:09.780 They are related. 01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:17.840 So that is 4D CA240001 and 4EZ240009. 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.520 I will go ahead and open both public hearings for those items. 01:02:22.520 --> 01:02:23.960 Angie is here for presentation. 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.960 She's going ahead and present both of those items in her presentation. 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.960 Thank you. 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:33.520 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Angie Manglaris, development review manager. 01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:39.820 Here to present CA240001 and Z240009. 01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:45.000 This is a comprehensive plan amendment request and zoning change request for DENTEX. 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.880 Little bit of background on this property. 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.400 This is a 92-acre tract of land. 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:56.480 It was recently annexed into the city limits and annexation was approved on July 16th by 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:57.480 city council. 01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:02.160 Prior to annexation, the property had been subject to restrictive covenants which function 01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:04.320 much like a non-annexation agreement. 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.200 Upon platting, they are required to annex into the city limits. 01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:13.280 Once a property is annexed into the city limits, they are automatically assigned a placeholder 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.920 designation of rural residential, which is the zoning on the property today. 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:21.960 To the north of the subject property is Allred Road, which is designated on the mobility 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:26.960 plan as a primary arterial roadway, and it's intended to serve as a regional east-west 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.720 connection throughout the city. 01:03:28.720 --> 01:03:33.960 It does cross over US377 and would tie into Brush Creek Road. 01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:35.240 To the south is Johnson Lane. 01:03:35.240 --> 01:03:40.700 It is a residential collector, and then running along the western portion of the property 01:03:40.700 --> 01:03:45.040 is John Payne Road, which will be extended through Country Lakes, running to the north 01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:48.880 with the development of the Hunter Coal Master Plan community, which is immediately to the 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:53.800 west of the subject property and would function as a secondary arterial. 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.600 Development in and around the area is varied. 01:03:56.600 --> 01:04:02.480 To the north, northwest, and west, you have the Hunter Coal Master Plan community. 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:10.520 The sub-zonings of the Hunter Master Plan community in this region is MR and MN. 01:04:10.520 --> 01:04:15.520 As you move south of the subject property, you do have the Country Lakes subdivision. 01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:16.520 It is a PD. 01:04:16.520 --> 01:04:18.680 It is residential development. 01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:25.340 Lots in that plan development range from 5,000 square feet to 8,000 square feet. 01:04:25.340 --> 01:04:28.520 Moving east, you do have the Sage Brook Plan development. 01:04:28.520 --> 01:04:32.280 Phase one of that development is starting to see homes being built, and phase two has 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.340 been recently final plotted and is coming online. 01:04:36.340 --> 01:04:39.880 Further to the southeast, you have additional properties that are subject to those restrictive 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:40.880 covenants. 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:42.840 They are currently in the ETJ of the city. 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:46.880 Upon annexation, they would be part of the city limits. 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.360 Then further to the northeast, I do want to point out we do have our regional park that 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.560 would be developing in the future as well. 01:04:54.560 --> 01:04:57.160 The zoning in the area is varied. 01:04:57.160 --> 01:05:01.840 This particular piece of property is situated along major arterials and is approximately 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:07.560 3,500 feet away from both 35 and US 377. 01:05:07.560 --> 01:05:10.840 Going into the request more specifically, first I'm going to go over the Comprehensive 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:12.760 Plan Amendment request. 01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:17.080 These two requests do build upon one another, so the Comprehensive Plan request approval 01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:19.840 of that would be needed to support the zoning request. 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.840 We'll get into that as we move through the presentation. 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.600 As I mentioned, this is a 92-acre tract of land. 01:05:25.600 --> 01:05:30.640 The purpose of the Comprehensive Plan Amendment and the Rezoning Amendment is to facilitate 01:05:30.640 --> 01:05:35.600 the development of a residential subdivision on approximately 65 acres situated on the southern 01:05:35.600 --> 01:05:42.240 portion of the property and designate the northern 27 acres as MN for future either 01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:45.440 higher density residential development or commercial. 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.080 The existing future land use is rural areas. 01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:52.980 The proposed future land use is community mixed use along the northern 27 acres and 01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:56.960 moderate residential along the southern portion of the property. 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.920 Property is currently developed with a single-family residence. 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:05.120 It also in the northwest corner houses a wedding venue that is operating and is intended to 01:06:05.120 --> 01:06:10.040 be, to continue for the foreseeable future. 01:06:10.040 --> 01:06:14.080 There is existing FEMA flood plan and unassessed ESA that runs east to west along the southern 01:06:14.080 --> 01:06:17.000 portion of the site. 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.320 The Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan Amendment, the request is moderate residential and community 01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:22.600 mixed use. 01:06:22.600 --> 01:06:28.080 Moderate residential future land use category is intended to accommodate single-family detached 01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:33.280 neighborhoods, predominantly also contemplates some low-rise multifamily dwellings and town 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:38.260 homes and may also include some neighborhood serving commercial. 01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:42.440 Community mixed use is intended to provide a mix of uses, but predominantly in these 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:47.980 cases commercial uses are predominant with residential being secondary to that. 01:06:47.980 --> 01:06:52.200 These proposed future land use designations do fit into the overall character of the area 01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:56.520 and help establish a transition from higher intensity uses that we would see along the 01:06:56.520 --> 01:07:02.040 35 corridor and the Hunter development to the west as you move to the east closer to 01:07:02.040 --> 01:07:06.200 US 377 where there are more moderate residential developments. 01:07:06.200 --> 01:07:11.000 Then again from the north the property would naturally transition from the Hunter property 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.600 to the north of the subject property and then moving south toward that country like development 01:07:15.600 --> 01:07:20.940 having the community use option in there and then transitioning to the moderate residential 01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:25.560 before going down to where the country likes development is. 01:07:25.560 --> 01:07:30.480 The two land uses are intended to help facilitate that natural transition of intensity moving 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:36.080 from the highway towards where we have more of our residential areas. 01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:39.160 The proposed amendments do meet the goals of the comprehensive plan, there are a few 01:07:39.160 --> 01:07:40.680 that I want to point out. 01:07:40.680 --> 01:07:44.200 This does assist in our goal to grow compactly. 01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:47.960 This is in what we affectionately call one of the donut holes of the city. 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:53.160 We've had an area of the city that has not been annexed in yet and was assigned to the 01:07:53.160 --> 01:07:57.960 designation of rural residential while we worked through the comprehensive plan. 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:02.800 Now that the property has been annexed and the city does have some zoning authority on 01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:07.800 the property, it's appropriate to evaluate the comp plan and how this property develops 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:09.280 in the future. 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:14.200 The community mixed use and moderate residential designations do help provide that transition 01:08:14.200 --> 01:08:18.240 zone as I talked about and also provide a little bit of additional buffering from those 01:08:18.240 --> 01:08:23.120 existing single family uses to the higher intensity uses we expect to see with the Hunter 01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:25.360 development. 01:08:25.360 --> 01:08:30.200 It is also supportive of our housing goals to develop a diverse housing stock as well 01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:31.760 as the land preservation plan. 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:37.880 As I said there is unassessed ESA on the site, however after that field assessment should 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:43.280 the ESA be confirmed, the applicant would be required to protect and mitigate appropriately 01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:47.160 in accordance with the requirements of the DDC. 01:08:47.160 --> 01:08:52.440 This does meet our criteria for approval both generally and specific to comprehensive plan 01:08:52.440 --> 01:08:57.600 amendment requests, there are a few things I wanted to draw your attention to. 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.880 To meet the criteria for comprehensive plan amendment, the application is required to 01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:06.560 meet one of several criteria, the one that this one particularly meets is events and 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:11.480 trends have changed since the adoption of the comprehensive plan. 01:09:11.480 --> 01:09:17.880 As I said this property had been subject to restrictive covenants, was in the ETJ, however 01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:22.760 they have now annexed into the city and have changed the findings of fact on that particular 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.680 piece of property, it is now part of the city limits. 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.480 In addition we've sent infrastructure extended to the area to make it accessible to this 01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:35.320 particular site, more specifically Sagebrook, as I said they are starting to see homes, 01:09:35.320 --> 01:09:40.080 the infrastructure is there for them to be able to connect to Hunter and Cole, both of 01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:44.240 our master plan communities are also beginning to come online, have started to plot the first 01:09:44.240 --> 01:09:51.320 phases of their development and will be developing adjacent to the property in the near future. 01:09:51.320 --> 01:09:55.320 There's no conflict with the goals of the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan, we do find 01:09:55.320 --> 01:09:59.360 that it would further support our housing goals and help create that area of transition 01:09:59.360 --> 01:10:05.360 from 35 moving east, community mixed use and moderate residential typically come with zoning 01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:11.920 districts that further our goals of the comprehensive plan specific to our land use and help add 01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:16.400 to the existing land use pattern and really start to establish that framework as we see 01:10:16.400 --> 01:10:20.320 this area of the city develop. 01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:26.040 That is the comprehensive plan amendment request, going to go right into the zoning change request, 01:10:26.040 --> 01:10:31.280 so building upon what we just talked about, this would be the zoning change request for 01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:34.520 the particular piece of property. 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:39.880 This image here does show the existing zoning in the area, the property is zoned RR, I've 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:44.280 added this map because it helps show that the sub-districts of the Hunter Cole property, 01:10:44.280 --> 01:10:49.280 so you can see to the north there is some MR and MN as well as to the west we do have 01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:54.720 more MR, again to the south and to the east we have some moderate residential in our existing 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.600 PDs and then we do have areas that are not within the city. 01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:04.280 So the specific request here is from rural residential to mixed use neighborhood on approximately 01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:11.240 27 acres and residential 6 on approximately 65 acres, as I've said the property is currently 01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:17.160 developed and there is existing FEMA flood plan which runs along the southern portion. 01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:22.400 So if the comprehensive plan amendment is approved, the zoning request would be in line 01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:27.360 with this comprehensive plan amendment, moderate residential is intended to accommodate our 01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:33.200 single family detached neighborhoods, it does also support some multi-family and town homes 01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:37.540 and neighborhood mixed use is intended to apply to areas where the predominant use is 01:11:37.540 --> 01:11:42.360 commercial but does envision a variety of housing types and is intended to serve as 01:11:42.360 --> 01:11:44.360 a transitional area. 01:11:44.360 --> 01:11:50.080 Both MN and R6 do support the goals of these future land use designations and would help 01:11:50.080 --> 01:11:55.640 to serve as a transition before more intensive commercial uses along the highway as you move 01:11:55.640 --> 01:12:03.240 west towards US 377, further as the hunter development does come online, the MN zoning 01:12:03.240 --> 01:12:07.480 district would be consistent with the MR and MN that is surrounding it and the moderate 01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:14.280 residential is compatible with the country lakes development further to the south. 01:12:14.280 --> 01:12:20.560 This does meet the general criteria of approval for zoning change request as well as our area. 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:24.600 Specifically we do find that the zoning request is consistent with the land use goals, the 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:29.760 housing goals and the land preservation goals of the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan. 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:35.520 Both MN and R6 zoning districts are compatible and support the moderate residential and community 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.640 mixed use future land use designations. 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:43.080 In the next five years this region of the city is expected to continue to see growth 01:12:43.080 --> 01:12:50.880 with I-35 expansion project beginning, the hunter ranch project starting to develop and 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.280 sage brick continuing to develop out along with the regional park in the area expected 01:12:55.280 --> 01:13:00.440 to start construction and would bring additional attraction to the area. 01:13:00.440 --> 01:13:05.280 The zoning is not expected to generate any significant environmental impact nor impact 01:13:05.280 --> 01:13:08.840 to adverse impact to infrastructure or fiscal. 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:15.240 We did conduct notification in accordance with state law and our code of ordinances. 01:13:15.240 --> 01:13:16.240 Mailings were sent out. 01:13:16.240 --> 01:13:19.960 This was posted in the paper as well as signs on the property. 01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:23.280 The applicant did not conduct a neighborhood meeting but did reach out and connect with 01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:25.600 neighboring property owners individually. 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:29.680 The applicant's hearing can speak to that more specifically but at this time we received 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:34.160 no letters in favor or in opposition of the project. 01:13:34.160 --> 01:13:39.240 We are recommending approval of both the comprehensive plan amendment and the zoning change request 01:13:39.240 --> 01:13:44.000 as they both meet the general criteria for approval as well as the specific criteria 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:50.080 for approval for both the comprehensive plan amendment and a zoning change request. 01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:54.560 The next step in this process would be city council which is tentatively slated for August 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.200 20th and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. 01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:01.000 The applicant is also here and can answer any questions you have of them. 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:02.480 Thank you Angie. 01:14:02.480 --> 01:14:04.480 Any questions right now? 01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:05.480 Commissioner Pruitt. 01:14:05.480 --> 01:14:06.480 Thank you Chair. 01:14:06.480 --> 01:14:11.440 Angie, thank you for the great overview on that. 01:14:11.440 --> 01:14:18.200 I heard several things, one the desire in the comprehensive plan to grow compactly as 01:14:18.200 --> 01:14:27.440 well as this concept of transition areas and I'm thinking back to the item that we just 01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:32.160 heard about a smaller multifamily along Elm. 01:14:32.160 --> 01:14:38.100 Help me understand how this is compact when it's very near to the southern border of our 01:14:38.100 --> 01:14:39.100 city. 01:14:39.100 --> 01:14:45.560 Sure and we do recognize that it is near the southern border however it is immediately 01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:51.920 adjacent to some of the higher intensity based districts of the Hunter Cole development. 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:57.700 It is situated along a primary arterial which will eventually be a six lane roadway as well 01:14:57.700 --> 01:15:05.240 as a secondary providing access and connectivity to the area and it is filling in one of those 01:15:05.240 --> 01:15:10.000 what we call donut holes of the city rather than continuing to sprawl out. 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:14.500 So this has been kind of a carve out or a notch that hasn't quite made it into city 01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:20.800 limits yet but is coming online and is providing a bit of that transition from the Hunter zoning 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:25.280 that we will expect to see to the established uses that are in the area and kind of filling 01:15:25.280 --> 01:15:31.080 in that pocket so to speak. 01:15:31.080 --> 01:15:32.080 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:15:32.080 --> 01:15:33.080 Thank you Chair. 01:15:33.080 --> 01:15:36.520 Thank you Angie, I have a quick question for the applicant. 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:40.240 I think the applicant is actually going to come up and have a presentation. 01:15:40.240 --> 01:15:46.600 I've got a card here so we'll pause that question. 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:50.720 Anything else for Angie? 01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:54.440 So I've got actually two applicant cards. 01:15:54.440 --> 01:15:59.380 I've got Alan Hughes and Thomas Fletcher so I don't know how you're sharing that but come 01:15:59.380 --> 01:16:03.200 on down and your time will begin. 01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:05.000 Good evening. 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:06.000 Hello. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.480 How are you doing? 01:16:07.480 --> 01:16:08.480 If you'll state your name. 01:16:08.480 --> 01:16:12.840 My name is Alan Hughes and this is my sister Jan. 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:13.840 Hi. 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:14.840 Hi. 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:20.680 We are the owners along with our parents of Dentex Land, Cattle and Energy LP. 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:24.100 We've owned this track for 30 years. 01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:30.760 She currently operates a farm there, JM Prosperity Farm and Rustic Barn Venue. 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:37.720 It's a wedding venue and we've been lifelong residents of Denton County and have seen the 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:42.000 tremendous growth firsthand of what's going on. 01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:48.860 Over the last 10 years as development has started to move closer and closer to the farm 01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:54.720 and as our parents have aged, we have discussed more about the future of the farm knowing 01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.000 that at some point it would make sense to develop it into something more. 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:05.120 With Country Lakes North, now at our south property line and Sage Brook moving closer 01:17:05.120 --> 01:17:12.620 from the east, we believe now is the right time to position our property to develop in 01:17:12.620 --> 01:17:16.980 a manner that will make our family legacy proud. 01:17:16.980 --> 01:17:22.280 In meeting with the City and discussing the development options and the process, it was 01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:27.800 determined that annexation would be required prior to development. 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:32.580 The thought of annexation brought a lot of questions and concerns. 01:17:32.580 --> 01:17:39.320 We've had several meetings with the City discuss these concerns, which included my sister's 01:17:39.320 --> 01:17:45.520 ability to continue to operate the venue and live on the property and the uncertainty of 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.440 the zoning process. 01:17:48.440 --> 01:17:54.640 In hearing that my sister and her business wouldn't be impacted and staff would be supportive 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:59.120 of zoning that is compatible with Country Lakes, Sage Brook and the adjacent portion 01:17:59.120 --> 01:18:06.960 of Hunter Ranch, it alleviated some of our concerns and so we decided to annex into the 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:10.440 city so we could start this zoning process. 01:18:10.440 --> 01:18:18.460 As mentioned by staff, the annexation was finalized last week on July 16th. 01:18:18.460 --> 01:18:22.960 Our requests before you tonight are compatible with the surrounding zoning districts, therefore 01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.540 we request your support. 01:18:25.540 --> 01:18:31.360 Our consultant, Thomas Fletcher, is here to assist in answering any questions and provide 01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:35.000 additional information regarding the request. 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:37.920 Thank you for your time and consideration. 01:18:37.920 --> 01:19:01.160 Good evening, commissioners, Thomas Fletcher with Killing Horn, 6160 Warren Parkway, Frisco, 01:19:01.160 --> 01:19:02.160 Texas. 01:19:02.160 --> 01:19:04.760 Appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight. 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:10.400 I've been working with the U's for some time and as they mentioned, we've had numerous 01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:13.200 meetings with the city just to kind of get them familiar. 01:19:13.200 --> 01:19:18.360 They're landowners, they're not developers and they wanted to make sure that they were 01:19:18.360 --> 01:19:22.280 understanding of the process and making the decision to move forward with the annexation 01:19:22.280 --> 01:19:25.080 and now the comp plan amendment and the zoning change request. 01:19:25.080 --> 01:19:27.680 So I've got a couple of things I want to go over. 01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:29.600 First of all, I want to thank Angie. 01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:34.320 She's been working with us for some time now and she did a very thorough presentation so 01:19:34.320 --> 01:19:38.640 I'm going to keep my presentation brief and then stand for questions. 01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.360 I did want to share this one slide. 01:19:40.360 --> 01:19:45.360 What we did is we showed the proposed zoning map along with the mobility plan so that it 01:19:45.360 --> 01:19:51.160 gives you, you know, I think it gives you a real picture of what this area is going 01:19:51.160 --> 01:19:58.080 to evolve into with the all red, Brush Creek Road is a future primary arterial, with John 01:19:58.080 --> 01:20:05.120 Payne north of Johnson Road is a secondary arterial and with Interstate 35W, with frontage 01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:08.620 roads, with the overpass, with the off ramp. 01:20:08.620 --> 01:20:15.240 So this will be a full interchange once that tech stop project is completed in the near 01:20:15.240 --> 01:20:16.720 future. 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.160 You can see the proposed portion of the zoning that's MN. 01:20:20.160 --> 01:20:25.120 It's going to be located at the southeast corner of two arterials. 01:20:25.120 --> 01:20:29.760 One will be a future six lane, the other will be a future four lane and then the residential 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:35.520 on the south, which is R6, would be located adjacent to the northern portion of Country 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:42.840 Lakes North and then also as Sagebrook continues to grow to the, you know, back to the west, 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:48.280 to the eastern boundary, you can kind of see how all of this will eventually kind of somewhat 01:20:48.280 --> 01:20:50.040 connect together. 01:20:50.040 --> 01:20:55.160 The Sagebrook development, if you look at their lot sizes, they are R6 in nature. 01:20:55.160 --> 01:21:00.320 They're roughly 6,000 or over square feet in size. 01:21:00.320 --> 01:21:06.520 The Country Lakes North phase 5B, which is the section that is closest to the property, 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:13.400 if you look at the lot sizes in that plat, you have 50 by 110, you have 55 by 110, 60 01:21:13.400 --> 01:21:14.820 by 110. 01:21:14.820 --> 01:21:20.720 Most of the lots in that section are anywhere from 5,500 square feet up to about 6,500 square 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:21.720 feet. 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.000 And there are some corner lots that are larger in size. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:29.920 So when you look at our request for R6, that is a minimum 6,000 square foot lot. 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:34.640 So it is compatible with both Country Lakes and with Sagebrook. 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:40.360 Some of the lots in Country Lakes actually fall into the R7 criteria. 01:21:40.360 --> 01:21:45.200 Actually that's really what I wanted to point out, I think Angie kind of covered all the 01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:48.800 other aspects and I'm happy to answer questions. 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:54.360 I know Commissioner Villareal, you mentioned that you had a question, so I'm happy to take 01:21:54.360 --> 01:21:55.360 questions. 01:21:55.360 --> 01:21:56.360 Thank you. 01:21:56.360 --> 01:21:58.680 I will go ahead and call on Commissioner Villareal. 01:21:58.680 --> 01:21:59.680 Thank you, Chair. 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:00.680 Of course. 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:01.680 Thank you so much for the presentation. 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:02.680 Just a quick question. 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.160 I know during our work session they mentioned that you had conversations with the property 01:22:06.160 --> 01:22:07.160 owner to the east. 01:22:07.160 --> 01:22:11.920 Did y'all have a lot of conversations with the property owners in Country Lakes at all? 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:17.480 So when we first started looking at Country Lakes, as this project has developed, they're 01:22:17.480 --> 01:22:23.720 in the process of building houses, so there's houses in various stages. 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:30.840 So what we did is once the annexation was completed, we had put together a letter that 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:32.760 kind of outlined our request. 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:39.840 So it stated that our request was for a comp plan amendment, a zoning change request. 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:47.160 It would be for R6, which is compatible with both Country Lakes North and with Sagebrook. 01:22:47.160 --> 01:22:48.880 And just kind of went through the process. 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:53.020 We included in the letter that there would be the P&Z hearing tonight. 01:22:53.020 --> 01:22:57.040 We included that the City Council was scheduled for August 20th. 01:22:57.040 --> 01:23:02.840 I provided my email address, my phone number. 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:09.080 We went out, me and one of my assistants went out last Wednesday, the day after the City 01:23:09.080 --> 01:23:12.440 Council meeting where the annexation was completed. 01:23:12.440 --> 01:23:17.920 We took about 60 letters because that's how many lots we counted were within the 500 foot 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:19.840 courtesy notification. 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.840 We ended up passing out 37. 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:29.500 The others were either vacant lots, houses in construction or homes that were available. 01:23:29.500 --> 01:23:36.040 Out of all the letters that we passed out, there was one homeowner that was outside that 01:23:36.040 --> 01:23:39.200 we spoke with and kind of explained to her. 01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:43.000 I think she was trying to, when she saw me walking up, she was trying to get in her garage 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:47.680 and get away from me because I think because the subdivision is so new, she thought, "Well, 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.260 I thought you were here to sell me a security system or shutters or something." 01:23:51.260 --> 01:23:56.880 So she was the only, and she actually backs to Johnson Lane. 01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:00.200 She was the only neighbor that we actually spoke with. 01:24:00.200 --> 01:24:07.920 I've not received any emails or any phone calls from the letter, but that was the notification 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:12.080 we did and we told them that we would be happy within the letter. 01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:18.200 We provided a copy of the letter and then the zoning map, the proposed zoning map, we 01:24:18.200 --> 01:24:23.800 provided a copy of that to city staff, but it did say that we're happy to meet with any 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:29.280 of them up until the city council meeting if they have questions. 01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:35.600 Did that property owner on Johnson, did they have any concerns about the project at all? 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:37.600 How was the conversation? 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:44.200 They told me that they picked the house and they picked the house back into Johnson because 01:24:44.200 --> 01:24:51.840 they enjoyed the ability to sit on the back porch and watch the horses. 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:56.040 So they were somewhat disappointed that development was coming. 01:24:56.040 --> 01:25:01.160 They assumed that at some point development would come, but that was her honest, candid 01:25:01.160 --> 01:25:07.880 reaction is that they had chosen that particular lot because it did back to the property and 01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:11.720 they were able to sit out and watch the horses. 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:18.800 She said she would look at the information, let me know if she had any additional questions 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:22.200 and I haven't heard any follow up. 01:25:22.200 --> 01:25:23.200 Thank you. 01:25:23.200 --> 01:25:24.200 I appreciate that. 01:25:24.200 --> 01:25:25.200 Yeah, absolutely. 01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:26.200 Thank you. 01:25:26.200 --> 01:25:28.960 Any other questions right now for Mr. Pledger? 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:29.960 Thank you very much. 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:30.960 Thank you. 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:31.960 Appreciate it. 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:36.040 I do have another card wishing to speak and that is Angela Dominguez. 01:25:36.040 --> 01:25:37.040 Hello. 01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:42.640 Hello, how are you? 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:43.640 Good. 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:44.640 If you'll state your name, your time will begin. 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:45.640 Good evening. 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:52.040 I'm Angela Dominguez and I reside at 6250 Allred Road. 01:25:52.040 --> 01:25:58.880 My husband and I first met the Hughes in 1998 when we bought 35 acres next to them. 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:04.080 We have known them to be wonderful neighbors and stewards of the land ever since. 01:26:04.080 --> 01:26:08.640 Anne and Alan were kind enough to share their ideas for their properties next chapter with 01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:14.240 us and as a neighbor and civil engineer I found it to be a very thoughtful concept and 01:26:14.240 --> 01:26:20.240 legacy to their family and a proposed addition to the city of Denton. 01:26:20.240 --> 01:26:25.280 I wholeheartedly support their land use and zoning request. 01:26:25.280 --> 01:26:26.280 Thank you. 01:26:26.280 --> 01:26:27.840 Thanks for coming out. 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:31.280 I don't have any other cards in front of me but this is a public hearing. 01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:37.680 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on either of these items? 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:44.040 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing for 4D and 4E and I will open the floor for 01:26:44.040 --> 01:26:46.020 discussion or a motion. 01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:48.280 We would have to take these one at a time. 01:26:48.280 --> 01:26:54.040 The first one being the comprehensive plan amendment, that would be 4D. 01:26:54.040 --> 01:26:58.280 Commissioner Cole? 01:26:58.280 --> 01:26:59.800 I make a motion to approve. 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:04.840 I think we all know what that's going to look like in 10 years and I think it's going to 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:08.360 tie in with everything else that's going to be there. 01:27:08.360 --> 01:27:09.560 Thank you. 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:10.560 Commissioner Thagger? 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:11.560 I second. 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:12.560 Okay. 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.080 We've got a first and a second. 01:27:15.080 --> 01:27:16.080 Item 4D. 01:27:16.080 --> 01:27:17.080 Any discussion? 01:27:17.080 --> 01:27:18.080 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:19.080 Thank you, Chair. 01:27:19.080 --> 01:27:23.100 Yeah, I'll just say I think the applicant and staff have worked really well together 01:27:23.100 --> 01:27:27.680 to try to think about what this will become. 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:33.980 My opposition to this land use amendment or the future land use map here is really just 01:27:33.980 --> 01:27:44.960 an extension of my long-term opposition to the expansion of Hickory Creek Road and the 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:51.560 extension of that through Alred and now South of St. Derek, so thank you. 01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:53.520 Thank you. 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:56.320 We've got a first and a second for approval. 01:27:56.320 --> 01:27:58.200 Any other discussion? 01:27:58.200 --> 01:27:59.560 Okay. 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:09.920 Let's go ahead and vote, please. 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:10.920 Let's see. 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:16.160 That is going to fail 3-2. 01:28:16.160 --> 01:28:21.840 So in taking up 4E then, we actually cannot, correct? 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:26.480 We would need that to have passed. 01:28:26.480 --> 01:28:29.880 Oh, is it? 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.960 I thought we needed 4 as well. 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:40.880 We're going to pause here for a little ... No, that's okay. 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:58.800 I appreciate you looking it up. 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:12.320 Okay. 01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:30.240 Okay. 01:29:30.240 --> 01:29:58.560 We're going to go ahead and take a recess at 716 while we continue for a little bit of 01:29:58.560 --> 01:29:59.560 legal update. 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:08.640 Thank you for your patience. 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:14.040 I will call us back to order at 725 after our recess. 01:30:14.040 --> 01:30:21.240 We did need to take some time to confirm with legal if a simple majority would constitute 01:30:21.240 --> 01:30:22.480 an approval. 01:30:22.480 --> 01:30:26.500 Our vote for item 4D was 3-2. 01:30:26.500 --> 01:30:35.800 So it has been stated that yes, a simple majority would make that an approved item 3-2. 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:42.040 So that will take us then to 4E, Z240009. 01:30:42.040 --> 01:30:47.880 Before I look for a motion, Commissioner Thagard, I see you on the board wishing to speak. 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:50.000 Did you want to do that before this item? 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:51.000 Yeah. 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.880 I just wanted to, and I think you guys have already answered the question, so I'm just 01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:57.440 asking once more, sorry. 01:30:57.440 --> 01:31:01.480 All red is going to be a major artery, is that correct, eventually? 01:31:01.480 --> 01:31:02.480 That's the plan? 01:31:02.480 --> 01:31:03.480 Yep. 01:31:03.480 --> 01:31:04.480 Go ahead, Angie. 01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:05.480 Okay. 01:31:05.480 --> 01:31:14.040 2022 mobility plan designates roadways, both current and future classifications. 01:31:14.040 --> 01:31:19.400 All red brush creek are proposed to align, providing east-west connection as a primary 01:31:19.400 --> 01:31:23.040 arterial, which has ultimately six travel lanes. 01:31:23.040 --> 01:31:24.040 Okay. 01:31:24.040 --> 01:31:25.040 Thank you. 01:31:25.040 --> 01:31:26.040 Okay. 01:31:26.040 --> 01:31:35.240 So we are on item 4E, Z240009, as far as looking for a motion. 01:31:35.240 --> 01:31:36.240 Commissioner Cole? 01:31:36.240 --> 01:31:38.400 I make a motion to approve. 01:31:38.400 --> 01:31:39.400 Okay. 01:31:39.400 --> 01:31:41.200 We've got a motion for approval. 01:31:41.200 --> 01:31:42.200 Commissioner Thagard? 01:31:42.200 --> 01:31:43.200 I second. 01:31:43.200 --> 01:31:44.200 Okay. 01:31:44.200 --> 01:31:47.280 We've got a first and a second for approval. 01:31:47.280 --> 01:31:49.440 I do see Mr. Fletcher in front of me. 01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:52.640 Were you wishing to speak before we take up this vote? 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:56.620 Please come on down. 01:31:56.620 --> 01:31:57.620 Thank you. 01:31:57.620 --> 01:32:00.160 I appreciate the opportunity to speak one more time before y'all vote. 01:32:00.160 --> 01:32:05.040 I did want to say, just providing a little bit more history, the discussions with the 01:32:05.040 --> 01:32:10.960 city have been ongoing for about three years now with regard to development of this property. 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:16.280 These landowners who are Denton County residents, who have been lifelong residents, lived in 01:32:16.280 --> 01:32:22.960 the county, had the advantages of living in the county, went through multiple meetings 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.800 with the city to understand the process. 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.640 Their biggest concerns was wanting to be treated fairly. 01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:34.120 They see developers coming in around them, developers such as Hunter and Cole Ranch and 01:32:34.120 --> 01:32:39.000 those developments, Sagebrook, Country Lakes to the south. 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:44.600 So it took a leap of faith for them to get to the point where they decided that they 01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:46.540 would annex. 01:32:46.540 --> 01:32:48.160 So I do want to share that. 01:32:48.160 --> 01:32:53.640 I understand that you, Commissioner Pruitt, may have feelings about certain things with 01:32:53.640 --> 01:33:01.240 regard to development, but what we are asking is consistent with the developments that are 01:33:01.240 --> 01:33:03.760 coming in around them. 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:10.760 They have annexed, they're in the city now, so there's no turning back from that. 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:15.280 We talked to the city about development agreements and development agreements are something that 01:33:15.280 --> 01:33:17.680 just generally do not occur. 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:20.720 There's concerns about contract zoning and all of that. 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:26.120 So I would, you know, we've met with the neighbors, we passed out flyers to the neighbors to the 01:33:26.120 --> 01:33:28.200 south, we're compatible with them. 01:33:28.200 --> 01:33:34.520 So I do want to point that out again, just because the owners here that are before you, 01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:36.100 they're now within the city. 01:33:36.100 --> 01:33:41.040 They took that leap of faith and they're just asking for a fair treatment to be able to 01:33:41.040 --> 01:33:45.200 develop their land compatible with the surrounding land uses. 01:33:45.200 --> 01:33:46.640 And this is a big vote. 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.440 It impacts their lives. 01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:51.520 So I did want to get up and make that statement. 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:52.520 Thank you. 01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:53.520 Thank you. 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:54.520 Okay. 01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:59.520 We've got a first and a second for approval of item 4E, further discussion. 01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:00.520 Commissioner Pruitt. 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:05.120 Thank you, Chair. 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:11.500 I would like to move to divide the question to separate out the recommendation of the 01:34:11.500 --> 01:34:18.940 rezoning of the proposed MN portion from the rezoning of the proposed R6 portion. 01:34:18.940 --> 01:34:25.000 The reason I'd like to do this is that I recognize the applicant, as the representative just 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.920 stated, has been through this process for several years. 01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:35.100 I don't really want to throw wrenches and things, but I can get behind some of this, 01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:36.100 but not all of it. 01:34:36.100 --> 01:34:41.520 And so maybe this is a path forward where we can move forward. 01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:49.240 Go ahead, Angie, go ahead. 01:34:49.240 --> 01:34:52.920 Understanding that this is a possible motion, I wanted to provide a little bit of context 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:56.460 to why MN was targeted for this property. 01:34:56.460 --> 01:35:04.240 Not only does it match what is to the north and west of the subject property, as mentioned, 01:35:04.240 --> 01:35:08.640 the owner has a single family home as well as the residential ... I'm sorry, single family 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:15.520 home is a residential ... single family home as well as the wedding venue on the property. 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:22.640 While both of those uses are allowed in our additional modifications to them, we'll trigger 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:26.520 platting per just our standards. 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:34.160 And so we sat and kind of did a strategy table and sketched out what the property could look 01:35:34.160 --> 01:35:38.800 like under RR if they wanted to add a structure to the wedding venue, and then they would 01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:43.400 have to plat the wedding venue and the residential home on separate structures and maintain that 01:35:43.400 --> 01:35:45.040 five acres and the access. 01:35:45.040 --> 01:35:50.920 And so I did just want to point out the potential challenge that the existing RR could have 01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:52.920 for the current uses. 01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:57.160 They are legal nonconforming, but as we know, once you start making modifications and expansions, 01:35:57.160 --> 01:35:59.880 you lose that legal nonconforming status. 01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:08.160 The MN zoning district does provide the flexibility to allow them to operate that use and stay 01:36:08.160 --> 01:36:09.900 within the realms of the code. 01:36:09.900 --> 01:36:12.760 I just wanted to provide that little bit of context as to how we got there. 01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:17.120 I know it wasn't in the backup, but it wasn't necessarily germane to the conversation, so 01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:18.120 that's all. 01:36:18.120 --> 01:36:20.920 Appreciate that. 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:25.920 In response to splitting this up, I mean, I can't get on board with that. 01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:30.860 What's presented before us makes sense with what is happening in this area with the future 01:36:30.860 --> 01:36:36.360 of the roadways, with the density that is already there, with Sage Brook that is in 01:36:36.360 --> 01:36:40.600 process of being built, with Country Lakes that's already being built, with the entire 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:49.360 master plan in and all around it with the support of the neighbor next door. 01:36:49.360 --> 01:36:53.040 It makes sense for what this area is going to be. 01:36:53.040 --> 01:36:54.600 It will be compact. 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:58.080 It's not compact right now, but it will be. 01:36:58.080 --> 01:37:01.600 Everything about this, to me, makes sense for the area. 01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:03.640 Go ahead, Commissioner Prout. 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:11.360 Just to be clear, I'm in support of the MN portion and not of the R6 portion. 01:37:11.360 --> 01:37:14.280 I understood that. 01:37:14.280 --> 01:37:16.000 Is there any other discussion? 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.600 We've got a first and a second for approval. 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:19.600 Okay. 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:29.520 Seeing none, let's go ahead and vote, please. 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:39.040 That motion will carry, as we understand, 3-2, going to council on August 20th. 01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:40.040 Okay. 01:37:40.040 --> 01:37:56.520 That will take us to our planning and zoning matrix, and I will turn it over to Tina. 01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:57.520 Thank you, Chair Ellis. 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:02.640 With respect to the matrix, while the commission did not add anything in its prior meeting, 01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:07.640 we did try to update some of the timeframes on the remaining items to be able to deliver 01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:09.480 to you. 01:38:09.480 --> 01:38:15.680 In particularly, a discussion regarding impacts of subdividing commercial lots and the potential 01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:21.200 for tree preservation laws, so we're anticipating bringing that back, hopefully, late August, 01:38:21.200 --> 01:38:25.040 mid-September on that item, and I think we're going to dovetail in there since we've got 01:38:25.040 --> 01:38:28.520 some members that are new to the commission, just a presentation on our tree preservation 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:36.200 ordinance as well, just to consider a boot camp opportunity, and then also the LSR explaining 01:38:36.200 --> 01:38:39.880 the practices and legal limitations related to state law changes and roadways. 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:45.160 I know Hillary is working on that and is looking at delivering that in the fall as well. 01:38:45.160 --> 01:38:51.080 Those are the timeframes we updated, as well as I should make note, the comp plan. 01:38:51.080 --> 01:38:53.000 We are looking to provide an update. 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:56.640 We've got that tentatively scheduled sometime in August or September, so we were hoping 01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:00.480 to get that to you sooner, but with all the area plan work and trying to get projects 01:39:00.480 --> 01:39:03.920 across the finish line for adoption, not to mention all the public hearings that we've 01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:09.440 been working through lately, that one, unfortunately, has gotten a little delayed. 01:39:09.440 --> 01:39:13.600 Also just want to give you a quick update on the design downtown denton plan, so that's 01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:18.080 slated to come before the Planning and Zoning Commission in August at your meeting on August 01:39:18.080 --> 01:39:19.760 14th. 01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:25.160 In terms of City Council actions since your last regular meeting in June, so we've had 01:39:25.160 --> 01:39:26.720 several. 01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:34.720 If you recall, the specific use permit that Ashley worked on with Advanced Microbial Solutions, 01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:39.280 we had two properties out there, those were both approved. 01:39:39.280 --> 01:39:44.840 The Walker Giesling case that Mia had presented to the commission, and I think you all had 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:48.600 continued it for an additional meeting discussion to allow for some additional neighborhood 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:53.200 engagement that was south of 380, east of Giesling Road. 01:39:53.200 --> 01:39:55.200 That was also approved. 01:39:55.200 --> 01:39:59.640 Happy to report the razor ranch ordinance consolidation was also approved, so I know 01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:02.600 the team greatly appreciate that. 01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:07.560 Erin had a DATCU drive-through modification, the specific use permit amendment, I'm thinking 01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:13.160 that one was on Teasley Lane, okay, great, I didn't write location down, so my apologies, 01:40:13.160 --> 01:40:15.840 so that was also approved. 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.000 Very much happy to report that the Southeast Denton Area Plan was approved last night, 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:24.840 so as you're well aware of, that was a huge undertaking, which thank you for all of your 01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:28.320 participation and your support throughout that project, because I know we came to you 01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:34.040 many times to provide project updates and to receive your feedback, so thank you. 01:40:34.040 --> 01:40:39.320 Julie and Mia are super happy, so short-term rentals, that one continues to live on, so 01:40:39.320 --> 01:40:44.840 that went to council last night, it resulted in a 3-3 tie vote, so that will go back to 01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:52.200 council on August 6th, so hopefully we'll get some resolution on that at that time, 01:40:52.200 --> 01:40:56.320 and then lastly, we had the sub-chapter one, the conflicts with the criteria manuals, the 01:40:56.320 --> 01:41:02.760 DDC amendment that Angie's been working on, and so that was also approved, so that concludes 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:03.760 my report. 01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:04.760 Thank you. 01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:06.040 Thank you, Tina. 01:41:06.040 --> 01:41:07.040 Anything else for the matrix? 01:41:07.040 --> 01:41:08.040 Sorry. 01:41:08.040 --> 01:41:09.040 Thank you, Chair. 01:41:09.040 --> 01:41:10.040 Something for the matrix? 01:41:10.040 --> 01:41:11.040 Yes. 01:41:11.040 --> 01:41:12.040 Okay, go ahead, Commissioner Villara. 01:41:12.040 --> 01:41:21.680 I just had a question on when do y'all decide to have, I guess, long-form conversations 01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:27.520 with the community and developers on certain projects, I guess in particular with the short-term 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:31.040 rental conversation, I know we had to push it back to have that additional conversation 01:41:31.040 --> 01:41:38.040 with the real estate community, I guess what leads to that decision prior to it coming 01:41:38.040 --> 01:41:43.520 before council, and why, I guess, wasn't that had prior to the first vote? 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:44.520 So if I'm under... 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.200 I'm gonna paraphrase and see if I got your question correct. 01:41:47.200 --> 01:41:51.960 So are you asking why did we not meet with the Realtors Association before we considered 01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:52.960 SDRs? 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:56.680 I guess, yeah, that's one of my main questions since they are one of the stakeholders in 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:57.680 the conversation. 01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:03.200 You know, honestly, I don't think we really thought of it. 01:42:03.200 --> 01:42:08.240 I mean, we tried to...we did the public engagement per the Development Code Review Committee's 01:42:08.240 --> 01:42:13.160 request and so we did the developer town halls as well as we did the online survey, we did 01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:18.200 press releases, we utilized a variety of tools in order to be able to get the word out. 01:42:18.200 --> 01:42:25.480 So why we did not get traction with them sooner than later, I don't know, I mean, we tried 01:42:25.480 --> 01:42:30.880 to take into consideration all interested participants, but it was just one that did 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:37.560 not come to the forefront, so hopefully somebody would have picked up on it if folks were interested 01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:43.160 in what was happening with short-term rentals, because again, we did...normally on code amendments 01:42:43.160 --> 01:42:47.520 we're not doing press releases and things of that nature, but between all of our efforts 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.920 on the engagement, we were trying to reach out to people as best as we could. 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:52.920 Gotcha. 01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:53.920 Thank you. 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:54.920 You're welcome. 01:42:54.920 --> 01:43:00.400 And I think I can add a little bit more to that. 01:43:00.400 --> 01:43:06.080 That vocal group of realtors was not present in those meetings in general that they had 01:43:06.080 --> 01:43:08.080 in the entire outreach. 01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:13.520 It came up at the council meeting, which is when council then postponed it so that a meeting 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:18.520 could be had, but that's when it kind of came up that, "Oh, I guess we should have this," 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:27.080 but that was the first time that I believe staff and council at that point had heard 01:43:27.080 --> 01:43:35.440 from that group, so that's why it was done in between the two council meetings that they've 01:43:35.440 --> 01:43:40.840 heard it so far, so hopefully that shed a little bit of clarity on it. 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:46.480 Yes, and I guess my question is, is there a list of stakeholders you usually go to when 01:43:46.480 --> 01:43:51.160 projects of that nature would impact that community, or it just depends on who's in 01:43:51.160 --> 01:43:52.960 charge at that point? 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:59.240 Well, or we collectively get together and we try to come up with who all the potential 01:43:59.240 --> 01:44:01.280 stakeholders would be. 01:44:01.280 --> 01:44:05.120 We even followed up with other communities to find out what stakeholders that they were 01:44:05.120 --> 01:44:10.980 experiencing, and typically it was residents within the community and then the operators. 01:44:10.980 --> 01:44:16.440 So in other communities that we were working with, Realtors Association hadn't come up, 01:44:16.440 --> 01:44:22.600 so but it did here in Denton, and so hence why council directed us to continue the public 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:23.600 hearing. 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:27.760 We did have the meeting with them and they did provide written correspondence. 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:34.560 Their concern is regulation of property and any regulation and removal of any property 01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:37.400 owner's potential private property rights. 01:44:37.400 --> 01:44:43.280 They were also not in support of the thousand unit cap and the 100 foot minimum separation, 01:44:43.280 --> 01:44:50.560 and so some of them had also expressed concern related to even the cap that we have, no more 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:54.800 than two units if you have a triplex or a fourplex. 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.600 So I would encourage you to listen and watch the planning or the city council meeting from 01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:02.840 last night, and you know, they expressed their comments at that meeting as well, and you 01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:05.080 could listen to the council discussion on that as well. 01:45:05.080 --> 01:45:06.080 Gotcha. 01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:07.080 Thank you. 01:45:07.080 --> 01:45:08.480 When is council hearing that again? 01:45:08.480 --> 01:45:11.640 So that comes back on August 6th. 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:12.640 Okay. 01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:13.640 Thank you. 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:15.380 Anything else for the matrix? 01:45:15.380 --> 01:45:16.840 Any concluding items? 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:17.840 Okay. 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:21.340 I will go ahead and adjourn us at 7.40 p.m. 01:45:21.340 --> 01:45:22.440 Thank you very much, everyone.