1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,920 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,920 meeting for Wednesday, July 24, 2024. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,120 This is our work session and with the quorum present, I'll call us to order at 5 p.m. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,140 Let the record show that Commissioner Patrone and Commissioner Cole are absent at this time. 5 00:00:20,140 --> 00:00:25,080 First item on our work session agenda is the clarification of our agenda for tonight's 6 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:26,200 meeting. 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,360 The first being our minutes from June 26th. 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,480 Any questions, comments? 9 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,880 Items for individual consideration. 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,960 3A, there's Bryce right there. 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:50,040 >> Good evening, commission, assistant planner. 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:56,400 This is a final reply for approximately 36.07 acres, it is one-half mile east of South Bonnie 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Bray and on the north side of Roseland Drive. 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,160 This final plat will create 125 single family residential lots and seven HOA lots. 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,960 It's the sixth phase of the Eagle Creek subdivision. 16 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,360 At this time, the plat does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff does not have any 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,520 objection to the requested first extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,280 I'll stand for any questions. 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,280 >> Questions for Bryce? 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,280 Okay. 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Thank you. 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,280 >> Thank you. 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,720 3BPP240003, you are staying right up there. 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,080 >> Bryce Bedardsdale, assistant planner. 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,400 This is a preliminary plat for Grand Parkside. 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:40,240 It's approximately 19 acres, it's 266 feet east of Country Club Road and on the north 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,340 side of Hodson Lane. 28 00:01:42,340 --> 00:01:48,960 In April, we brought 1.3 acres to you guys for a rezone and this was approved unanimously 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,280 as well as at council on May 21st. 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:56,880 This is a preliminary plat to work through the organization of approximately 71 lots, 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,200 63 of those being single family residential with eight HOA lots. 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Currently, this plat does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to 33 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,360 the first extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 34 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,320 I'll stand for any questions. 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,920 >> Thanks, Bryce. 36 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:13,920 Questions? 37 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:14,920 Okay. 38 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:15,920 Thank you. 39 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:16,920 >> Thank you. 40 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:22,760 >> If you all did not see the email, 3C has been withdrawn by the applicant, so we will 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,720 not be taking any kind of action there. 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,920 3DFP240024, is anyone playing Sean today? 43 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:32,920 No? 44 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:33,920 Okay. 45 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:34,920 Okay. 46 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:48,840 Well, I think we've got a similar situation there where we've got an extension. 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Okay. 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Even if we can just pull it up so we can see it. 49 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,760 Yeah. 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Yeah, 24A. 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,760 There we go. 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:18,040 >> Yes, this looks -- I don't know about this one, but a final plat, it looks like staff 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,000 recommends now, but has no objection to the requested extension. 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 >> Okay. 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 August 14th. 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,720 I assume someone's going to present it at the meeting tonight? 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,720 >> Yeah. 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,720 >> Right. 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,720 >> Sure, yeah. 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,720 >> Maybe Matt can present it. 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,720 >> Oh. 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,720 Okay. 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,720 Okay. 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Okay. 65 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Oh, Commissioner Villarreal, I apologize. 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,040 >> No worries. 67 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,160 If you could find out before the meeting what number of extension requests this is, I'd 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,160 appreciate it. 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,160 >> Yeah. 70 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,160 >> Thank you. 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,160 >> That might be on the backup. 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,160 I'll check. 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,160 I'll check. 74 00:03:51,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Well, it looks like it had an extension approved on June 26th. 75 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,440 So second. 76 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Yeah. 77 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,440 Second. 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,440 Okay. 79 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Thank you. 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Okay. 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,120 You know what, it looks like Sean has 3E2FP240026. 82 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,120 >> All right. 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,120 >> There it is. 84 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,120 >> I will stay up here. 85 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,120 Yes, so a final plat. 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:27,920 For a law, what looks like off of Fannin Road, it's not a law, but it is a law. 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:37,400 For a law, what looks like off of Fannin Road, the staff recommends denial, but has no objection 88 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,000 to the request at extension. 89 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,040 >> All right. 90 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,040 14. 91 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Okay. 92 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,040 >> Oh. 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,040 >> And there's Sean. 94 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,160 >> Maybe he can speak more to this. 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,160 >> We're going to do it. 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,520 You got questions there, anyone? 97 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Okay. 98 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Thank you. 99 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,520 >> You've been replaced. 100 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,520 >> Yeah. 101 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,520 3FFP240023. 102 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Matt, that is yours. 103 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,520 >> Sean is going to do that one. 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,520 >> Yeah, right. 105 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,520 >> Yes. 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,520 I do know about this one. 107 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,520 All right. 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,520 Yeah. 109 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:25,520 So this is a final plat of a 15-acre lot located on the north side of Fishtrap Road, approximately 110 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,680 260 feet west of Greenleaf Circle. 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,360 The staff recommends denial because it does not meet the criteria for approval, however, 112 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,720 we have no objection to the request at extension. 113 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,820 This is the second extension request. 114 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:52,240 The reason for denial is because the civil engineering plans have not been approved for 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:58,280 the project in question related to this plat, however, the applicant is moving forward with 116 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:03,360 this, and so expect no hiccups there. 117 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,360 >> All right. 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,360 Questions? 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,360 Okay. 120 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,360 Thank you. 121 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,360 >> Yep. 122 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,360 >> Going to our public hearings. 123 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,520 You saw 4A and 4B are being postponed to August 14th. 124 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Here comes Angie to say something. 125 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,360 >> Hello. 126 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,360 >> Hi. 127 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Yes, these are two public hearings, PD230001 and Z220018, both for Denton 195. 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:37,440 Staff is requesting this item be postponed to a date certain of August 14th, and so the 129 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,520 request will be to open the public hearing and continue the items to that date. 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Staff will be conducting a neighborhood meeting with area residents on Tuesday, July 30th 131 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 at 630 at the Dean Yarek Center. 132 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Happy to answer any questions you all may have. 133 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,880 >> Thank you. 134 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:55,880 >> What time is it? 135 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:56,880 >> 630 p.m. 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,160 >> Questions at the moment, Angie? 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,160 No? 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Okay. 139 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,160 Thank you. 140 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,160 >> Okay. 141 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,360 That would take us to 4C, S230001. 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:14,200 Ashley is making her way up. 143 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,200 Hello. 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,800 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 145 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Ashley Eckstead, Associate Planner. 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,840 This is S2313301 North Elm Multifamily. 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,960 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow for a multifamily use on approximately 148 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,720 2.4 acres of land. 149 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,160 This property is generally located on the south side of North Elm, approximately 560 150 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,000 feet east of Riney Road. 151 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,640 The current zoning is R7, which is shown on the map in brown, and the future land use 152 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,040 is neighborhood mixed use, which is shown on the map in the pink color. 153 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,200 The recommendation is approval, as it does comply with the criteria for approval, and 154 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,200 I'm happy to answer any questions. 155 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,200 >> Okay. 156 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Thank you. 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Questions? 158 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Okay. 159 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Thank you very much. 160 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:18,520 Next, we have 4D CA240001, which is related to 4E Z240009. 161 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,940 >> Yes. 162 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:22,940 Thank you, Chair. 163 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:24,640 Angie Mangleris, Development Review Manager. 164 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,520 If it's okay, during the meeting, I'd like to present both of these items back to back. 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:35,700 So this is CA240001 and Z240009. 166 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:40,160 These are both -- these are two items related to the Dentex property. 167 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Just a little bit of background on this. 168 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:50,760 This is a 92-acre tract of land located just south of Allred Road, north of Johnson Lane, 169 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,920 and east of John Payne Road. 170 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,760 This is a 92-acre tract of land that was recently annexed into the city limits. 171 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,320 The annexation was approved on July 16th. 172 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Following the annexation, the applicant is seeking to develop the southern 65 acres of 173 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:13,560 the property as single-family residential, while the north 27 acres will remain a wedding 174 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:18,520 venue, which is currently in use, but being requested to be rezoned to mixed-use neighborhood 175 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,720 for future development. 176 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,320 The two requests before you tonight do need to be considered in the order in which they'll 177 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,320 be presented. 178 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:32,440 That's the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, which designates this area as rural areas. 179 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:40,120 The request is to amend the Comprehensive Plan to community mixed-use for the northern 27 180 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,120 acres of land and moderate residential for the southern 65 portion. 181 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,180 The subsequent case that we will hear is the proposed zoning case, which is recommending 182 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:55,120 or requesting mixed-use neighborhood for that northern portion of the site and residential 183 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,660 six for the southern portion of the site. 184 00:09:58,660 --> 00:10:02,840 Staff is recommending approval of both of these requests, as it is consistent with the 185 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,480 overall goals of the Comprehensive Plan, including growing compactly. 186 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,720 This area is expected to change over the next five years with Hunter and Cole Ranch master 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,860 plan communities coming online. 188 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:19,460 The zoning and future land use framework will provide a transition from the higher intensity 189 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:24,360 commercial and residential uses, which would be allowed along the 35 corridor as you move 190 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,280 east towards 377. 191 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,640 We start to see more moderate and low residential single family development. 192 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,340 In addition, these areas that you see in green are also currently in the ETJ, but subject 193 00:10:36,340 --> 00:10:37,620 to restrictive covenants. 194 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:41,880 As we start to see platting in those areas, we would expect them to also annex into the 195 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,200 city and seek a framework similar to what is being presented tonight. 196 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,060 Having said that, happy to answer any questions about either of the two. 197 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:52,960 There will be a more detailed presentation in open session. 198 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Thanks, Angie. 199 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Questions? 200 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Angie, I know there's ETJ to the east, right? 201 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,600 Yes, ma'am. 202 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,720 Do you know if they were contacted at all, talked with at all? 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,520 The applicant has been in contact. 204 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,760 It's a little bit of this particular property, I believe more to the southeast, and I know 205 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,640 they've done some outreach to this owner as well. 206 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,440 They can speak more to their specific outreach efforts. 207 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,080 I do know some of those southeast to the area are generally in support of the request and 208 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,440 may be looking to move forward in a similar fashion sometime in the future. 209 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Okay. 210 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,440 Yeah, and I was out there today. 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,200 You can't even get to the site that I saw. 212 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,200 The road is closed. 213 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,720 So I assume it's just being repaved? 214 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,720 All red or? 215 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Yeah, all red. 216 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,320 Yeah, all red is, I mean, it serves as access for both Sagebrook and is ultimately designed 217 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,520 as a primary arterial serving as a larger east-west connection throughout the city. 218 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:57,440 The entire city would cross over 377 and does connect to Brush Creek Road. 219 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,920 They will be required to make improvements to Johnson Lane. 220 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,040 It is a residential collector and would dedicate that additional right of way necessary. 221 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,400 In addition, the future John Payne Road, a secondary arterial, will be running from the 222 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,920 south to the north as Hunter develops, providing additional access in the area. 223 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:23,120 So there are some improvements that do need to occur as with any development, but the 224 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,800 infrastructure is there and the roads are reflected on the mobility plan. 225 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,800 Okay. 226 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:28,800 Thank you. 227 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,800 Anything else? 228 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Scott, did you have? 229 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Oh, Commissioner Packard, do you have your hand up? 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:32,800 I'm sorry. 231 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,800 I thought you were stretching. 232 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,800 Where is the wedding venue located? 233 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Sure. 234 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,160 It is, let's do this. 235 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:50,040 It is in this northwest corner, and they can speak more to that specifically, but that 236 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,120 is the general area of the wedding venue, and then the residential component is a little 237 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,120 further to the south. 238 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Okay. 239 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,040 So there would be a nice exit out from there. 240 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,040 Yes. 241 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,560 They have access in and out today as it is, and that portion of the site is really not 242 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,520 being proposed to change at this time. 243 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,760 The wedding venue and the single-family use are allowed under MN zoning. 244 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,680 I'll let the applicants speak more to their future plans, but my understanding is that 245 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,080 will remain in operation until we start to see some of the Hunter development come online, 246 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,880 and MN development would be more appropriate at that time. 247 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Okay. 248 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,880 Fair enough. 249 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:26,880 Thank you. 250 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,560 Scott's going to add a piece. 251 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:35,400 Just to answer Margie's question, which I'll just tag into that as well, so the woman that 252 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:41,400 lives in the house today on the homestead will continue to live there and operate the 253 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,640 wedding venue. 254 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,160 She has friends with the adjacent property to the east, which is the Dominguez. 255 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,680 If you recall when we were going through Sagebrook, Dominguez, you remember. 256 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,360 So the Dominguez, they get along very well. 257 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,840 They're going to put a berm and a road, and so they've talked through all of this, and 258 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,360 then that other property that Angie was referring to is also owned by the Dominguez's. 259 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:10,880 So they own a large swath in there and having similar conversations. 260 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:16,600 So to answer that question, yes, and then the wedding venue is existing barn, which 261 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,360 they may make some improvements to as they go along here. 262 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,880 But she is the owner and occupies the property and will continue the wedding venue. 263 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,120 That was an important part. 264 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,720 They were looking to do a pre-annexation agreement, and they're just taking their chances with 265 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,640 annexation and going through the process, and everybody seems to be very supportive 266 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,640 as far as just the community. 267 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,760 Yeah, and as I recall, didn't we curb a certain road in there? 268 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,400 Well, funny you should mention that because as you were talking about traffic, we are 269 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:50,080 continuing to pursue, that will be the new Allred Brush Creek. 270 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,280 So what you see happening on Allred is really a temporary solution. 271 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,320 Bonnie Bray closes, we're closing that rail crossing. 272 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,880 We've had some conversations with John Polster with ITS, as well as the cog. 273 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:09,000 There is a desire to have Brush Creek to continue all the way through to 35, so they have that 274 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,200 east-west connectivity. 275 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,680 So we're looking to get the rail crossing improved and get that roadway built. 276 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,560 So they will be, all of this property, which I think is important, is going to be on a 277 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,560 six-lane arterial. 278 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Thank you. 279 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Anything else? 280 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,560 No? 281 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,120 Okay, thanks, Angie. 282 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,800 Okay, that is our last public hearing item. 283 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:44,160 So that will take us to our work session report, which is 2A-PZ24089A, it's a Receiver Report 284 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,960 Holder Discussion Related to Amending the DDC to Establish Community Engagement Incentive 285 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,680 Participation in its Process. 286 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Hello, Keisha. 287 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:57,800 Good evening, Chair and Commissioner, I'm Keisha Siriano, Assistant Planning Director. 288 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:04,280 Here to talk to you tonight about community engagement incentives. 289 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:10,000 We had our initial conversation back on June 12th, in your backup you'll see some comments 290 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,360 and responses from that meeting. 291 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,320 I do have a few comments that I pulled out that will be towards the end of this presentation 292 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,640 just to review what we discussed previously. 293 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,040 So as we discussed previously, you know, community engagement from our developer community is 294 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,240 highly important, both from Planning Zoning Commission, City Council, as well as staff. 295 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,800 Our development code does recommend to the participation process in regards to submitting 296 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:45,040 a system participation plan, participation report, specific notifications for residents 297 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,960 within 200 feet and 500 feet and holding two neighborhood meetings. 298 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,200 That's all already in our code. 299 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Staff does attend those meetings when we're notified. 300 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:05,240 But unfortunately, over the last five years, we haven't received any system participation 301 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,280 plan or system participation reports. 302 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,040 And we know, again, as I stated, community engagement, hearing from the community, connecting 303 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,360 with the community, that's something that both the Commission and City Council and staff 304 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:21,600 want to see more from our developer community. 305 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,240 So this is a staff-initiated amendment. 306 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:32,240 When we have more community engagement, typically it minimizes some of the delays from project 307 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,320 lines, from projects coming before you, where you have residents that come to you or City 308 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Council complaining about something. 309 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:46,120 So by adding this optional process, it provides an opportunity for the applicant and the residents 310 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:49,520 to get together on the front side and kind of work out any of the concerns they have 311 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,880 before being presented to you. 312 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,160 So question that we're going to answer tonight is, how do we incentivize our applicants to 313 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,720 engage with the community? 314 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,080 Yes, we have seen more engagement. 315 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:06,720 Yes, some of them are having more of those neighborhood meetings, but we would like to 316 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,520 have even more. 317 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,800 And so we just want to figure out if there's a way we can provide some incentives to encourage 318 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,200 them to do so. 319 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:24,160 So we're recommending to do, to offer community engagement incentives for applicants who enter 320 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,920 into a MOU. 321 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,440 And when we talked in June, we was looking at an agreement. 322 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 We've now switched to an MOU. 323 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:39,320 And what this optional process would do is the developer will work with a neighborhood, 324 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,800 discuss their project as they normally would. 325 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,480 If there's something in their project that the neighborhood would like to see, they would 326 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,720 work out, have meetings and figure out what needs they can work out and put in the MOU. 327 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,760 So some of those examples could be providing affordable housing within the project or providing 328 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,960 job training classes, or even employing some of the residents in the neighborhood, or it 329 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:08,680 could be design characteristics, open space, allowing some open space, public open space 330 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:14,120 for residents to be able to use increased screening of buffering from the neighborhood. 331 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:18,840 Some of the local examples, there was a 380 multifamily project. 332 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,860 The developer worked with the neighborhood. 333 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:25,960 They wanted more of a modern form house look on the project, and they agreed to it and 334 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,960 did it. 335 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,080 Another project was Woodrow. 336 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:36,280 They actually offered some scholarships for the neighborhood in exchange for their support 337 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,260 for the project. 338 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:45,120 So here are the two proposed incentives that we're recommending. 339 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:52,280 Of course, if this gets approved down the line and there's more incentives that we think 340 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,120 may be needed or may be developed, whoever may ask for them, we can discuss those at 341 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,120 those times. 342 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:02,160 But the first one is the current submittal and review of the zoning compliance plan as 343 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,600 well as the civil engineering plan. 344 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:10,880 The other one is the issuance of a clear and gray permit prior to recording of the final 345 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,720 plaque. 346 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:19,240 So in order to be eligible to receive these incentives, the project has to be a zoning 347 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,400 change request or specific use permit. 348 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,760 If they choose to enter into this optional process, they must submit that MOU with their 349 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,880 application. 350 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:40,840 The applicant must have those meetings, connect with staff and have those conversations and 351 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,480 send out notifications with at least 51% of the property owners located within 500 feet. 352 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,080 This doesn't negate anyone else that's not a property owner from participating in the 353 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,080 process. 354 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,480 It's just the property owners will have the final say. 355 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,200 And along with the MOU, they would need to supply signatures from 51% of those property 356 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,560 owners located within 500 feet of the project site. 357 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:11,140 And the MOU would state that they agree with the project and any other quote unquote needs 358 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:15,200 the neighborhood has asked for would also be in there that they're agreeing to. 359 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Property owners can choose to have a different entity negotiate on their behalf, whether 360 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,480 it's an HOA or someone else. 361 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,680 But in the end, like I said previously, the property owners would be the one to have the 362 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,440 final say. 363 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,480 There are some limitations on this. 364 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,840 So the MOU, we'd be looking for the terms and conditions of what we mentioned, what 365 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,760 those needs are, what the neighborhood is looking for, clearly stated as far as the 366 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,880 timeline as to when the applicant would perform those particular commitments, must not have 367 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,040 any conflict with our regulatory documents for the city. 368 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:01,640 And it's noted in the code that the city would not enforce this if an applicant decides to 369 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,640 do this. 370 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:11,920 However, if we do hear that the applicant failed to perform what the community said 371 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:18,200 they want them to do, then this may impact their ability to apply for incentives in the 372 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,200 future. 373 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:27,200 So here's just a few of the comments. 374 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,640 Most of them are in your backups, just a few that we pulled from our conversation in June. 375 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,200 So one of the questions, why are we proposing this? 376 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,960 So as we started earlier on, this is an optional process. 377 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,920 We are wanting to increase the engagement in what we have in right now and hoping this 378 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,000 will entice our development community to engage more with their neighborhoods when they're 379 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,760 working on projects. 380 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:59,240 Process may sound burdensome, but as again, it is optional process, and we know not everybody 381 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,160 will decide to do it, and we also know that not all projects will have an impact to adjacent 382 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,120 neighborhood as well. 383 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:13,440 Why is staff requiring property owners instead of residents and business owners? 384 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:20,480 Yes, state law, like property owners typically are able, those are the ones most typically 385 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,840 listen to. 386 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,040 They have the state law backing them as a property owner of that particular neighborhood 387 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,720 living within that neighborhood. 388 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,560 It doesn't negate, as I said earlier, from renters or anyone within that 500 feet that 389 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,840 receives a notice for participating. 390 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,580 They can attend those meetings. 391 00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:40,320 They can express their concerns and ideas regarding the project. 392 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,480 They can speak up and say whether they agree or not as well. 393 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,320 It's just the property owners would have the final say as a property owner within that 394 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,680 500 feet. 395 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800 Who determines the greatest need? 396 00:23:53,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Again, that's whoever showed up to the meeting, whoever participates, is signed the agreement, 397 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,400 although that's who, and it's no different than what we do now. 398 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,440 There's examples here from St. Mark Catholic Church and Walker Giesling where the residents 399 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,440 took some time. 400 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,160 They had different views and opinions, and the applicant did have to wait and figure 401 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,960 out what it is they want to do with those different opinions happening within the neighborhood. 402 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,520 This could happen here. 403 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,520 It happens now. 404 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,600 It wouldn't be any different. 405 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,160 We did, there's a question about did we reach out to the developers. 406 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,280 We did reach out to a local developer who regularly conducts community engagement with 407 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:42,920 Denton projects, and she was the one I mentioned earlier who actually worked out at MOU to 408 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:51,920 have those increased design characteristics on the project, a 380 multifamily project. 409 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,760 This process would enhance what we're already doing. 410 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,320 We would continue to assist in mailing the notifications out to applicants. 411 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Those neighborhood meeting staff will continue to encourage those to happen and continue 412 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:12,880 to attend as available, continue to share best practices when communicating with our 413 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,880 developers. 414 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:20,120 There's a flyer when we share this, the last time that was created, just to help our developers 415 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,460 in better communicating with neighborhood residents. 416 00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:29,880 So we're working on a website to post this to as well as with other tips for them, working 417 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,400 on getting a poster front desk and share pre-application meetings. 418 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,240 We did have a developer town hall meeting about a month ago, and this was provided there 419 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:47,280 and quite a few of the developers did, I did see them pick this up and take that with them. 420 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,360 This includes my presentation and I stand for questions. 421 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,360 Thank you. 422 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,360 Thank you. 423 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,360 Questions? 424 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,880 I mean, I guess I'll start. 425 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:04,680 So we're saying we're having difficulty having neighborhood engagement or getting these, 426 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:11,640 I don't remember what you called them, these community engagement things submitted now. 427 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840 So do we think these incentives are actually going to help with that? 428 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:22,240 I mean, the incentives, sorry, they don't seem that strong, so help me understand that. 429 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,000 So the process you're talking about is a system translation report and the plan. 430 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,040 Yeah, you're saying we're not really getting that now. 431 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Right. 432 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,040 But we're hoping to do this just to increase the engagement, so it's separate from that, 433 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,680 but that's still going to be in the code, but we're just going to, we are proposing 434 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,200 to add this to the code as another option, as another way to encourage our applicants 435 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,480 to engage with the community. 436 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,780 And if I can add to that, what we've heard is that if they're going to go through this 437 00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:59,280 additional length of time to engage with the community, then what they really see valuable 438 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,360 is that early clearing grade permit prior to the final plat being recorded. 439 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,680 So because that allows them to get a jumpstart, if you will, on construction. 440 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,160 We have some other checks and balances in place that we'll still enforce, but nonetheless 441 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,960 they're really looking for that opportunity for that clearing grade permit prior to then. 442 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,440 Okay, so help me understand that, if you could. 443 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,440 How much time are we talking about? 444 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,740 How difficult is it to record a final plat that's been approved? 445 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:30,320 So great question. 446 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,240 So a variety of things can come into play in terms of getting signatures or what have 447 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,960 you, but what we've heard in talking with the development community, particularly with 448 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,640 the representative that we've had on several projects, that is one of the things that she 449 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,040 has indicated that would be a significant benefit to be able to have that accomplished. 450 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,360 So because we'll still make sure the tree preservation inspection has been done and 451 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:57,640 we'll make sure that the watershed inspection has been done, but they feel like if they 452 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,320 could get that clearing grade permit, it just gains them a little more time. 453 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,000 So that combined with then also the opportunity to have a zoning compliance plan in the civil 454 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,760 engineering plans reviewed simultaneously, that will actually save them several weeks 455 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,600 in that process, because typically we recommend they do their zoning compliance plan first, 456 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,960 get that approved. 457 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,400 The more savvy developers can probably get that approved within four weeks. 458 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,680 For some with more complicated sites, it takes a little longer. 459 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,720 And then with the civil engineering plans, that's an even more in-depth review. 460 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440 So by having those happen simultaneously, they can keep the plans updated between the 461 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,720 two projects or between the two development applications. 462 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,280 So they feel that it will save them several weeks in their overall timeline. 463 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,680 And for them, you know, time is money. 464 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:54,200 Yeah, I mean, a lot of it seems arduous for staff, like looking at signatures and I'm 465 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,760 just -- I'm trying to wrap my head around it. 466 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,520 I was a little skeptical last time. 467 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,880 So I'm kind of still there because I'm just trying to -- it's just -- I just don't know 468 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,080 that it will do what it is that we want it to do. 469 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600 I like the handout that you said developers took. 470 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840 I think that is really good, best practices. 471 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,000 I think that was fantastic. 472 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,120 But I'm just -- I'm struggling a little bit. 473 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,840 And then also, you know, on this draft under limitations where it talks about -- I mean, 474 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,140 we can enforce the MOU. 475 00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:31,200 So if they don't do it, I mean, there's nothing we can do about it as a city. 476 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,680 And then we have here that it may impact their ability for future incentives. 477 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,400 So I mean, what's to say somebody does this, gets their head start on a project, doesn't 478 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,440 go through with it, and then come back and, you know, and does that again? 479 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,440 And I don't know. 480 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,840 That's obviously worst-case scenario. 481 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,720 And I don't know if somebody would go through all of this just to get that. 482 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720 I don't know. 483 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,720 But -- 484 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:03,520 >> So, you know, what we found -- looking at this that we've proposed and thinking about 485 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,200 past projects where engagement has been done, particularly like on projects that are involving 486 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:16,320 plan development district requests or specific use permits, you know, much of what the community 487 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,360 and the developer come into agreement with is in all likelihood reflected in the plans 488 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,160 and codified as part of the ordinance. 489 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:30,160 So anything that's design-related on a project, then that's going to be included, whether 490 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,040 it's in the plans or the written text of the PD and in the SUP ordinance. 491 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240 So that we will be able to enforce. 492 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,280 But, you know, on a project like the Woodrow Multifamily where the developer proposed to 493 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,880 offer scholarships, you know, we're not enforcing that. 494 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,840 If they end up not holding up their end of the bargain and providing those scholarships, 495 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,800 you know, we're not going to take their CO away and make them tear down their multifamily 496 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,800 development, right? 497 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,800 >> Right, sure. 498 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,280 >> So, you know, there is a component there, good-faith effort, that the developer will 499 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,360 continue to provide the scholarships as they committed to. 500 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,720 If they don't, work will get out on the street and the court of public opinion will probably 501 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,960 make it well-known to us that they did not uphold their end of the bargain and let you 502 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,720 all know as well. 503 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,880 And I think if anything, what is going to result is not getting neighborhood support 504 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,600 on future projects, particularly if the developer is working within that area of the community. 505 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,960 Did you ever think that it could come back as a negative on the city because, you know, 506 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,400 the everyday citizen doesn't necessarily understand that an MOU is not enforceable by the city. 507 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:41,400 So, you know, does that inadvertently make the city, you know, look really bad and make 508 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,800 us, you know, less trustworthy because, you know, this was approved or talked about before 509 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,240 the project and it doesn't happen and, you know, there could be some misconception there. 510 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,240 Hello, Scott. 511 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,240 >> Hi. 512 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,400 I guess one more piece I wanted to add or suggest in here that I think staff, what staff 513 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,640 is attempting to do is provide tools in the toolbox. 514 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:11,160 So, just as Carrie had pointed out, just where we can provide those opportunities to have 515 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880 greater touch points, that's what we wish to do. 516 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:22,680 So it's not -- it's not that this is the silver bullet that solves everything for everybody. 517 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,000 It's one more tool in our toolbox to allow people an opportunity or encourage those types 518 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,280 of things. 519 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,880 And I don't know what I just said, but I meant Keisha if I said Kira. 520 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,860 They just caught up to me, which is a consultant from Tina, so my apologies. 521 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:45,080 So that's all that is and again, we hope that it would provide in a better light that the 522 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,960 city is attempting to do something rather than not. 523 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,360 It's just one more piece that we offer. 524 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,160 And I think we'll have any number of things that we'll be bringing forward to the commission 525 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:04,780 in hopes of trying to streamline, expedite, maybe tighten our rules and reinforce what 526 00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:10,120 council and P and Z is asking us to do, but maybe streamline the process of doing that 527 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,460 as we might make rules more rigid. 528 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:14,280 So that's all I wanted to say. 529 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Thank you. 530 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,280 >> Okay. 531 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,280 Thank you, Scott. 532 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,280 Commissioner Thacker. 533 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,280 >> Thank you, Chair. 534 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,880 Do we not think maybe something -- there would be some other route that would be more effective, 535 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,800 so instead of maybe the MOA, any new developer sends some representative from the company 536 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:39,840 or HR PR that comes in and sits through like a quarterly, I don't know, presentation about 537 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,760 the city, about the community that they're in, and that's something we could actually 538 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,760 enforce. 539 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,080 You know, like you need to send this representative, they need to sit through the training, and 540 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,840 then they get a sit and get on something that -- where we get to sort of tailor the presentation, 541 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,560 what they need to know, what we want them to know, and sort of nurture that relationship 542 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:08,720 from our side instead of, again, trying to not only create an MOA, but issue the MOA, 543 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,680 keep track of the MOA, and then, of course, there's always the -- 544 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,680 >> MOU, correct. 545 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,680 >> Or the MOU. 546 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Sorry. 547 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Sorry. 548 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,680 We call it memorandum of agreements at IT. 549 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,680 But it's -- another thing that I think I get concerned with, too, is that what if they 550 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,760 only have a singular project? 551 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,120 Like what if they're only coming in to do one project? 552 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,960 And so they say that they're willing to, you know, provide these scholarships or whatever 553 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:41,720 else, and the consequence is, you know, maybe that -- I mean, again, I'm really torn here 554 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:47,960 because it seems like we get to the point where if we wanted to really stick it to them, 555 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,960 you know, we have to follow code, we have to follow the law. 556 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,360 It's not like, again, we can hold our feet to the fire on anything. 557 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,960 So I go back to what Margie said there. 558 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,280 I just think it might be more effective to consider something we can enforce, which is 559 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,720 attending one of these workshops that we do for two or three hours and let the developer 560 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,240 who may not even live here understand where they're building and who they're building 561 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,240 around. 562 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:15,800 >> And I guess that kind of happens now with, like, a pre -- right, a pre-meeting. 563 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,800 I know those aren't required. 564 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,800 >> Right. 565 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200 >> But it seems to happen more often than not. 566 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,720 >> Yeah, they happen more often than not because when we do these pre-application conferences, 567 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,520 the applicants wanting to understand what is the process that they need to follow here 568 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,520 in Dutton. 569 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,520 And so that's when staff strongly encourages them. 570 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,760 Once they file their application, you know, staff is typically asking them, did you do 571 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,320 any neighborhood engagement, when did you do it, what was the feedback that was received. 572 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400 If they let us know when they're planning on doing their neighborhood engagement meeting, 573 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,440 then we do try to be in attendance so we can at least listen to hear what the neighborhood 574 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,440 concerns are. 575 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,880 So we try to do a lot of encouraging on the front end. 576 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,080 Do take our advice. 577 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,640 Those that do not seem to find themselves delayed later in the process, despite, you 578 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,920 know, our efforts to try and educate them better. 579 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,360 So it's, again, like just, you know, Scott pointed out, was just, you know, another tool 580 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,240 in the toolbox to try and help with incentivizing that neighborhood engagement and being able 581 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,920 to communicate to the development community of why it's important to engage with our residents 582 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,920 here in our community. 583 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,360 Anybody else? 584 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,640 Commissioner Pruitt. 585 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,640 >> Thank you, Chair. 586 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,920 Thank you for the answers to the questions and the follow-up, I appreciate that. 587 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:41,360 You know, I'm having a hard time seeing how this is going to have the desired effect, 588 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,880 which I believe would be increased engagement in neighborhoods that are active and things 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,720 blow up at the end. 590 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:59,120 Because the types of developments that would incur the largest time and monetary cost to 591 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:15,120 go through this process to gain a 51% agreement are the types where we're trying to solve 592 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,020 the problem, I guess. 593 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:24,480 It's like we're -- I'm concerned that the policy as written puts the most burden on 594 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,240 the developers in the areas that we most want them to increase engagement, right? 595 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,560 I mean, just from a planning perspective, do we -- have we had, like in our area plans, 596 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,560 have we had greater than 51% response and engagement of the community? 597 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:52,520 I know we've had a lot, but 51%, that's -- it seems to me -- I'll stop after this -- that 598 00:37:52,520 --> 00:38:01,560 as written, this would end up not affecting infill type spots at all, because it's too 599 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,560 hard to do it. 600 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,640 So they'll just say, no, I'm not going to -- like, I'm never going to get to 51%, so 601 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:16,360 I even try, and it will accelerate things at our rural fringe because, oh, okay, well, 602 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,360 I only have three neighbors. 603 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,640 I can go talk to them on a Sunday afternoon, and I get two of them to sign, and I'm good. 604 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,160 I get my month and a half bonus. 605 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,920 So that's where I'm coming from. 606 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:37,140 Now, I have those similar thoughts, it seems like a very burdensome, complicated process 607 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:39,360 that -- and we're saying it's a tool. 608 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,200 I just don't know that it's a tool anyone would use, to be honest with you. 609 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:50,680 I mean, I think it's -- it would be difficult, either impossible in some situations, as Vice 610 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:58,680 Chair Pruitt pointed out, of getting 51% of that area to agree, but then, again, going 611 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:05,080 through all of these steps of filling out the report and then getting the signatures, 612 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:11,580 and then what it's going to take on staff's end to, I guess, make sure the signatures 613 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:12,580 are real. 614 00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:19,080 You know, it seems incredibly burdensome, but Commissioner Colt -- oh, sorry. 615 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,840 No, I was just going to say, the signatures part for us -- I mean, we do that every day 616 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,640 with every zoning case that we get, right? 617 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,200 Anytime we get a letter in, we look to see, are they within the notification area so we 618 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,200 can report that to you. 619 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,200 So we already do that. 620 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,200 That's no different. 621 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:37,920 And, you know, the concern regarding the 51% -- I would not use an area plan as a comparable 622 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,600 example, because an area plan -- I mean, our area plans are 400 acres, if not larger, some 623 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,720 up to 900 acres. 624 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,640 In the case of a development project, though, that's why we put the limitation on a defined 625 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,640 area. 626 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,680 So we set it at 500 feet because of the fact that we sent out the courtesy postcards to 627 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,220 all residents who have utility accounts with us within 500 feet. 628 00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:03,840 So that's a much more defined area, whether that's capturing 100 property owners or five 629 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,840 property owners. 630 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,840 At least it's more of a defined area. 631 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,840 Okay. 632 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,520 And I know, Commissioner Colt, I'll get to you in just one second, I know one of the 633 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:17,400 questions that we had last time, I think was mine, where it talked about did we talk to 634 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,400 any developers about this? 635 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:26,440 And I mean, it looks like you talked to a contractor for a developer, someone who helps 636 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,860 a developer, because I know -- I believe I know who the person you have referenced there. 637 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:37,400 But did we actually talk out -- talk to any developers themselves to see, like, is this 638 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,360 something that -- you know, and even I would be curious as to what she said, if she thought 639 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,040 this was something that people would want to do. 640 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,040 Did you get any -- 641 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,040 I had spoken with her. 642 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,040 Okay. 643 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,040 Right. 644 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,040 So I had visited with her, and she actually thought that this was a really good idea and 645 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,520 that her clients would engage in this. 646 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,160 Of course, you know, with her business model, she does a lot of engagement. 647 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,000 That would help her business model, because it would take her to do this. 648 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000 I mean, I'm pretty convinced -- 649 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,000 I don't disagree. 650 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Yeah. 651 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000 So I'm -- 652 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 I don't disagree whatsoever. 653 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000 Smart business owner. 654 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000 Yes. 655 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Yeah. 656 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000 Okay. 657 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000 I don't disagree at all. 658 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,120 But, you know, we can also -- we interact with developers on a regular basis, and so 659 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:28,520 we can also ask them this as well within our -- you know, when we're working with them 660 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,840 on other projects, you know, we can always reach out to them and say, hey, what do you 661 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,800 think of this process, and see what they think, especially those that regularly do business 662 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,800 within Denton. 663 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,240 I can think of several that we could reach out to instead of just this one particular 664 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,620 individual that we happen to know, and part of the reason why we reached out to the one 665 00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:49,160 particular individual is because of the success that they had, particularly with that project 666 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:55,600 that Mia had, that multifamily request over there by Old North, so -- and -- so, yeah, 667 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,520 so -- but we can continue to reach out to others and see how valuable they think it 668 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,520 would be, and whether or not any other clients would really take advantage of it. 669 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440 Commissioner Cole. 670 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,440 Thank you, Chair. 671 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,800 I concur 100 percent with Commissioner Pruitt's concerns. 672 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,440 I just don't really see much efficacy in this at all. 673 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:26,000 I just see it as a burdensome process, and I don't -- my attitude hasn't changed towards 674 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,760 it, so just let that be. 675 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,760 Thank you. 676 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,760 Anything else? 677 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,920 I don't know exactly what you were looking for, like, from just comment, more comments, 678 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,920 more -- 679 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,920 More comments. 680 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,920 Okay. 681 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,920 We are anticipating to -- 682 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,920 Okay. 683 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,960 -- bring this back for public hearing on August 14th in the council, September 17th. 684 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Okay. 685 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,640 But, yes, just more comments and feedback from you all. 686 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560 And I don't know if you all had an opportunity to look at the draft ordinance. 687 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,440 We did propose the draft ordinance in there, so unlike the last time when we came -- 688 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,440 Mm-hmm. 689 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,440 -- before you, we presented a concept. 690 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,440 Mm-hmm. 691 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,000 So, Keisha's worked hard on -- in working with Hillary on getting the ordinance in a 692 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,520 good possible position for moving forward with, so. 693 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:20,040 So, maybe if -- yeah, we have future comment, we can -- if we come up with more, we can 694 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,040 email you. 695 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,040 Sure thing. 696 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,040 Yeah. 697 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,040 Between now and then. 698 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,760 I mean, you're obviously, I think, getting a lukewarm response from the commission -- 699 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,760 [laughter] 700 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,760 -- as you have spoken. 701 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,760 So -- 702 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,120 I feel like we might be going down in flames. 703 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:37,760 Well, so, I mean, yeah, and I don't know -- I really don't know, yeah, what -- I don't 704 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:45,200 know how you could make the process less burdensome, at least, how we're seeing it. 705 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,840 Maybe if you have a little more outreach and come back with more -- 706 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840 We can do that. 707 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,840 -- information from other people. 708 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,000 I mean, again, I am all for community engagement, 100%. 709 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,000 It makes the projects -- we all know that, that better, you know, and I just don't know 710 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,880 that this is going to do anything to help that. 711 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,240 But thank you -- 712 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:06,240 Thank you. 713 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,440 -- for your work, and we'll see you in a couple of weeks. 714 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,440 Thank you. 715 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,440 Thank you. 716 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,440 Thank you. 717 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,520 That concludes our work session, so I will go ahead and adjourn us at 5.44 p.m., and 718 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,640 we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30. 719 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:20,840 Thank you. 720 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:30,600 Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 721 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,440 Wednesday, July 24th, 2024. 722 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,320 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.31 p.m. 723 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,360 Let the record show that Commissioner Padrone is absent tonight. 724 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,240 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 725 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:54,240 I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for 726 00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:03,240 which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 727 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,240 Honor the Texas Flag. 728 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:15,240 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one State, under God, one and indivisible. 729 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,240 Thank you. 730 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:24,240 The first item of business is item two, consider approval of our minutes for June 26th. 731 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,240 Commissioner Villarreal. 732 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,240 Move approval. 733 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,240 Commissioner Pruitt. 734 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:28,240 Second. 735 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,240 We've got a first and a second for approval. 736 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,240 Any discussion? 737 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:39,240 Let's vote, please. 738 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,240 That passes 5-0. 739 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:45,240 Next we'll go to items for individual consideration, the first one being 3A. 740 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,240 F.R. 240005. 741 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:49,240 Bryce is here for presentation. 742 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:50,240 Hello. 743 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,240 Good evening, Chair, Commission. 744 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:57,240 Bryce VanArtsdale, Assistant Planner. 745 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:00,240 This is final replat 240005. 746 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:06,240 It is one-half mile from on the east side of South Bonnie Bray on the north side of Roselon 747 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,240 Drive. 748 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:11,240 So this plat currently does not meet our criteria for approval, but staff has no objections 749 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:15,240 to its requested extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 750 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,240 I'll stand for any questions. 751 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,240 Awesome. 752 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,240 Thank you, Bryce. 753 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,240 Questions? 754 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,240 Thank you. 755 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:24,240 Commissioner Villarreal. 756 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,240 Move approval. 757 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:29,240 The extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 758 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240 Thank you. 759 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,240 Commissioner Thaggard. 760 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,240 Second. 761 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,240 We've got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of 762 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,240 August 14th, 2024. 763 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,240 Discussion? 764 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:43,240 Okay, let's vote, please. 765 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:49,240 That motion carries 5-0. 766 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:53,240 That'll take us to 3-B, PP240003. 767 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,240 Bryce again. 768 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,240 Hello again. 769 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:56,240 Bryce VanArtsdale, Assistant Planner. 770 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,240 This is PP240003. 771 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:06,240 It's a preliminary plat that will create 63 residential lots as well as eight HOA lots. 772 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,240 This preliminary plat was part of a zoning case that was approved by the commission unanimously 773 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,240 back in April and by the City Council in May. 774 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,240 While this plat currently does not meet our criteria for approval, staff has no objection 775 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,240 to the requested extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 776 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,240 I'll stand for any questions. 777 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,240 Thank you. 778 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,240 I do not see any questions. 779 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:30,240 Thank you. 780 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,240 Commissioner Villarreal. 781 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:36,240 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 782 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,240 Thank you, Commissioner Cole. 783 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,240 Second. 784 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,240 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 785 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,240 14th, 2024. 786 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:53,240 Okay, let's vote, please. 787 00:47:53,240 --> 00:48:00,240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-C, FP240025, which has been withdrawn by the 788 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:08,240 applicant, and that will move us to 3-D, FP240024, and Sean is here for presentation. 789 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:09,240 Hello. 790 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,240 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 791 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:21,240 So, yes, this is FP24-0024A, which is the Sage Creek Townhomes addition. 792 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:26,240 Staff is recommending denial at this time because they have not yet met the criteria for approval, 793 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,240 but we have no objection to the request at extension, which would be to a date certain 794 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,240 of August 14th. 795 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,240 Happy to answer any questions. 796 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,240 Thank you, Sean. 797 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,240 Questions? 798 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,240 I do not see any. 799 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,240 Thank you very much. 800 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,240 Commissioner Cole. 801 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:50,240 I make a motion to approve the extension to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 802 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,240 Great. 803 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,240 Commissioner Thagard. 804 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,240 Second. 805 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,240 I make a motion first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of 806 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,240 August 14th, 2024. 807 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:07,240 Let's vote, please. 808 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:14,240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-E, FP240026. 809 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:15,240 Hello again, Sean. 810 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,240 All right. 811 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:23,240 Good evening again, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FP240026. 812 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,240 Again, this is for the Ascentio Ventures addition. 813 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:31,240 They have not yet reached a point where we can recommend approval, so we are recommending 814 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:36,240 denial, but we have no objection to the request at extension, which can be to a date certain 815 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,240 of August 14th. 816 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,240 Happy to answer any questions. 817 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,240 Thank you. 818 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,240 I do not see any questions. 819 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,240 Thank you. 820 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,240 Thank you much. 821 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,240 Commissioner Villarreal. 822 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:52,240 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 823 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,240 Commissioner Thagard. 824 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,240 Second. 825 00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:00,240 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 826 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,240 2024. 827 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:08,240 Let's vote, please. 828 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:14,240 That motion carries 5-0, taking us to 3-F, FP240023. 829 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,240 And Matt is here for presentation. 830 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:17,240 Hello? 831 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:18,240 Hello. 832 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:19,240 Good evening, Commission. 833 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:26,760 Matt Bourdine, Assistant Planner, here to present a final plot to create a lot from 834 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,040 a 15-acre track on Fishtrap Road. 835 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,240 This plot does not meet our criteria for approval, so the staff recommends denial. 836 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:44,240 However, staff has no objection to the requested extension presented. 837 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,800 Thank you very much. 838 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,800 Commissioner Villarreal. 839 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:54,000 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 840 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000 Commissioner Thagard. 841 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000 Second. 842 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000 Excuse me. 843 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,320 Got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of August 14th, 844 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,600 2024. 845 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:11,840 Let's vote, please. 846 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,280 That motion carries 5-0. 847 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:20,000 That will take us to our public hearing items for this evening, the first being 4A and B, 848 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,440 which are related. 849 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,280 4A is PD230001. 850 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,760 4B is Z220018. 851 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,760 I will go ahead and open those public hearings for both item 4A and 4B. 852 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,760 Angie is here. 853 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,760 Hello. 854 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,760 Hi. 855 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:48,560 Yes, these are two zoning cases related to Denton 195, cases PD230001 and Z220018. 856 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,960 This item was continued at the June 12th meeting. 857 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,880 We are requesting additional continuance of the public hearing for both items to August 858 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,920 14th in order for staff to have an opportunity to conduct a neighborhood meeting with the 859 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,040 residents adjacent to the property in the greater neighborhood. 860 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:15,880 That meeting will be held next Tuesday, July 30th at 630 p.m. at the Dean Yarek Center. 861 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,880 Okay. 862 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:23,960 So staff is requesting this be postponed, both items to August 14th, 2024. 863 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,320 So we'll go ahead and look for a motion individually for 4A. 864 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,320 Commissioner Pruitt? 865 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,760 Move to continue public hearing 4A to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 866 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,760 Commissioner Thagard? 867 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,760 A second. 868 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,000 We've got a first and a second to postpone this item to a date certain of August 14th, 869 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,400 2024, leaving the public hearing open. 870 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,240 Any discussion? 871 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,240 Okay. 872 00:52:51,240 --> 00:53:03,520 Let's vote, please. 873 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,680 That motion carries 5-0. 874 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:24,620 We're going to figure out what is causing all of our lower hearing notifications. 875 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:37,760 While they look into that, we'll go ahead and entertain the postponement of 4B, Z220018. 876 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,760 Commissioner Pruitt? 877 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:46,200 I move to continue public hearing 4B to a date certain of August 14th, 2024. 878 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,200 Great. 879 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,200 Commissioner Cole? 880 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,200 Second. 881 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,880 Okay, we've got a first and a second to postpone this item to a date certain of August 14th, 882 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,520 2024, leaving that public hearing open. 883 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,520 Any discussion? 884 00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,520 Okay. 885 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:09,800 Let's vote, please. 886 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,640 That motion carries 5-0. 887 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,440 Our next public hearing item is 4C, S230001. 888 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,120 Ashley is here for presentation and I will open the public hearing. 889 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,640 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Ashley Eckstead, Associate Planner. 890 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,200 This is S2313301 North Elm Multifamily. 891 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,320 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow multifamily use on approximately 892 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,800 2.4 acres of land generally located on the south side of North Elm Street east of Riney 893 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,800 Road. 894 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,680 The existing zoning is R7 and the future land use is neighborhood mixed use. 895 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,800 There are several site constraints that do make this site harder to develop. 896 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,320 Elm is a text dot roadway which impacts landscaping. 897 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,600 We're not allowed to have the trees in the right of way and then there's also a utility 898 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,500 easement along the front which is shown here in yellow and we're also not allowed to place 899 00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,360 trees within that easement. 900 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,880 There's also several other existing easements on this site which I've also outlined in yellow. 901 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:16,280 These are drainage easements, utility easements, and an easement for a sanitary sewer line. 902 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,640 The proposed site plan, they are proposing two multifamily buildings that contain 67 903 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,640 residences. 904 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,420 These will be three stories or approximately 40 feet. 905 00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:28,680 Those buildings are outlined in red on the site plan so you can see how they had to work 906 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,880 the shape of the buildings around the existing easements. 907 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,540 There'll be 108 parking spaces and they will also be constructing a left turn lane. 908 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:41,280 They will have one full access drive which is the southernmost access drive and then 909 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,840 they'll also have one emergency only access drive. 910 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,560 That subdivision variance was granted by the Planning and Zoning Commission last October 911 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:56,080 for one point of full access and then one point of emergency access. 912 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,880 They are proposing landscaping on the site. 913 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:03,080 They'll have 28% landscape area and 41% tree canopy cover. 914 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,200 They still are placing the street trees along North Elm in areas where they're able to be 915 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,200 along the right of way. 916 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:13,000 They have large tree species and they're proposing a smaller tree species next to the buildings 917 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,480 before the easement so they could still have trees along the right of way, outside of the 918 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,560 tech stop right of way and outside of the existing easement. 919 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:27,480 They'll also be providing parking lot landscaping which includes end caps and landscape islands. 920 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,800 They're proposing an eight foot board on board wood fence along the majority of the southern 921 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440 property line where the sanitary sewer easement runs through. 922 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,640 There is not a fence proposed there and then there's also the drainage easement along the 923 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,000 western property line. 924 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,840 They do have the required landscape buffer which contains trees and large shrubbery and 925 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,000 then there's also additional screening of large shrubbery located within the drainage 926 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,840 easement as approved by tech stop. 927 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,920 It does meet the criteria for approval. 928 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,560 It's consistent with the goals and policies of the 2040 Comprehensive Plan and the future 929 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,800 land use map. 930 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,720 It's compatible with the surrounding area and approval of this SUP is not expected to 931 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:10,640 generate significant adverse environmental infrastructure or fiscal impacts. 932 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640 Public outreach was done. 933 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,080 We posted an ad in the newspaper and on the website, a sign was posted on the property. 934 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,080 We mailed out notices to everyone within 500 feet. 935 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,800 Earlier today, you did receive a response in opposition and that is one property owner 936 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,920 with the three parcels outlined in red on this map and that does exceed the 20% so it 937 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,920 will require a super majority at council and the applicant also held a neighborhood meeting 938 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,800 on December 30th. 939 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,560 Staff does recommend approval of the SUP with the conditions presented in the backup and 940 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,240 it is tentatively scheduled for city council on August 20th. 941 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,080 I'm happy to answer any questions and the applicant is also here for questions. 942 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520 Thank you Ashley. 943 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,640 My screen see if there's any questions. 944 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,920 Do you know if any neighborhood outreach was done? 945 00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,920 From the applicant? 946 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,980 They had a neighborhood meeting. 947 00:58:00,980 --> 00:58:03,080 It was on December 30th of last year. 948 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,080 They had two. 949 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,200 Was it two that I read? 950 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,200 Yes. 951 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,280 Do you know if this person in opposition was one of the attendees? 952 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,500 I do not believe so. 953 00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:18,840 Any questions for staff at this time? 954 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:23,400 I don't have any cards in front of me wishing to speak on this item but it is a public hearing. 955 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:29,240 Is there anyone wishing to speak? 956 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:37,240 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or discussion. 957 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:47,280 I have some kind of discussion. 958 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,800 I'll move approval as presented by staff. 959 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,800 Okay. 960 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,800 Thank you. 961 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,800 Commissioner Cole? 962 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,800 Second. 963 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,400 We've got a first and a second for approval. 964 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,880 Is there any discussion? 965 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,880 Commissioner Villarreal? 966 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:07,160 Thank you chair and thank you to the applicant for your work on this and thank you to staff. 967 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:13,480 I do not believe this fits within the current landscape of the area so I'm going to vote 968 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,480 no. 969 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,480 Thank you. 970 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,880 Commissioner Villarreal, can you give any specifics as to why? 971 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,800 I mean there's definitely multifamily in the area. 972 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,440 Traffic concerns as to additional multifamily being added to the area as well as drainage 973 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,440 concerns. 974 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,840 So as of now I'll be voting no. 975 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,840 Okay. 976 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,840 Thank you. 977 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:32,840 Any other discussion? 978 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:33,840 Commissioner Pruitt? 979 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,840 Thank you chair. 980 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:48,120 I think what we have here is some odd shaped lots that got hemmed in by a triangle of roadways, 981 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:57,440 one of them being a textile roadway and because of that, much of it has remained undeveloped 982 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:04,560 except for a little strip center on the south side of that triangle and so what has happened 983 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,640 is things have developed around it, right? 984 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:19,760 So I'm sensitive to the fact that this application does change that block a decent amount but 985 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:27,920 when you zoom out it doesn't appear to change the, call it half mile shed area around that 986 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,840 very much to me. 987 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:38,560 You know, I think it would be different if all north of here it was still rural and it's 988 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,560 not. 989 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,920 So I guess those are my thoughts. 990 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,920 Yeah. 991 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,920 I appreciate that. 992 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,120 Yeah and I'll echo similar thoughts. 993 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:53,500 I think this, for the odd lot that it is, I think it's a very well thought out plan. 994 01:00:53,500 --> 01:01:00,000 I think the way the buildings are situated on Elm makes sense. 995 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,600 We've got multifamily across the street. 996 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:09,960 We've got larger dense multifamily as we head away from this area. 997 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,200 It's only 67 units. 998 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:19,440 It's certainly a small scale multifamily which does, I believe, fit with the surrounding 999 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,440 area. 1000 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:29,360 I do appreciate the input from the residents who did share their opinion but I do think 1001 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:35,560 the staff did a great job working with the applicant in presenting a well planned development. 1002 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,840 Any other discussion before we take a vote? 1003 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:38,840 Okay. 1004 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:48,000 Let's go ahead and vote please. 1005 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,600 That motion will carry for one. 1006 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,440 It will go to council. 1007 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,480 What was the date on that? 1008 01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:01,240 August 20th is the date for council requiring that super majority, that proper owner remains 1009 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,840 in opposition. 1010 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:08,240 That will take us to our last two public hearing items for today. 1011 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,780 They are related. 1012 01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:17,840 So that is 4D CA240001 and 4EZ240009. 1013 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,520 I will go ahead and open both public hearings for those items. 1014 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,960 Angie is here for presentation. 1015 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,960 She's going ahead and present both of those items in her presentation. 1016 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:28,960 Thank you. 1017 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,520 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Angie Manglaris, development review manager. 1018 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:39,820 Here to present CA240001 and Z240009. 1019 01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:45,000 This is a comprehensive plan amendment request and zoning change request for DENTEX. 1020 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,880 Little bit of background on this property. 1021 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,400 This is a 92-acre tract of land. 1022 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:56,480 It was recently annexed into the city limits and annexation was approved on July 16th by 1023 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,480 city council. 1024 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,160 Prior to annexation, the property had been subject to restrictive covenants which function 1025 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,320 much like a non-annexation agreement. 1026 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,200 Upon platting, they are required to annex into the city limits. 1027 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:13,280 Once a property is annexed into the city limits, they are automatically assigned a placeholder 1028 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,920 designation of rural residential, which is the zoning on the property today. 1029 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,960 To the north of the subject property is Allred Road, which is designated on the mobility 1030 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,960 plan as a primary arterial roadway, and it's intended to serve as a regional east-west 1031 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,720 connection throughout the city. 1032 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,960 It does cross over US377 and would tie into Brush Creek Road. 1033 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,240 To the south is Johnson Lane. 1034 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,700 It is a residential collector, and then running along the western portion of the property 1035 01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:45,040 is John Payne Road, which will be extended through Country Lakes, running to the north 1036 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,880 with the development of the Hunter Coal Master Plan community, which is immediately to the 1037 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,800 west of the subject property and would function as a secondary arterial. 1038 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,600 Development in and around the area is varied. 1039 01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:02,480 To the north, northwest, and west, you have the Hunter Coal Master Plan community. 1040 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:10,520 The sub-zonings of the Hunter Master Plan community in this region is MR and MN. 1041 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:15,520 As you move south of the subject property, you do have the Country Lakes subdivision. 1042 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,520 It is a PD. 1043 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,680 It is residential development. 1044 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:25,340 Lots in that plan development range from 5,000 square feet to 8,000 square feet. 1045 01:04:25,340 --> 01:04:28,520 Moving east, you do have the Sage Brook Plan development. 1046 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,280 Phase one of that development is starting to see homes being built, and phase two has 1047 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,340 been recently final plotted and is coming online. 1048 01:04:36,340 --> 01:04:39,880 Further to the southeast, you have additional properties that are subject to those restrictive 1049 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,880 covenants. 1050 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,840 They are currently in the ETJ of the city. 1051 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,880 Upon annexation, they would be part of the city limits. 1052 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,360 Then further to the northeast, I do want to point out we do have our regional park that 1053 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,560 would be developing in the future as well. 1054 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,160 The zoning in the area is varied. 1055 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,840 This particular piece of property is situated along major arterials and is approximately 1056 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:07,560 3,500 feet away from both 35 and US 377. 1057 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,840 Going into the request more specifically, first I'm going to go over the Comprehensive 1058 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,760 Plan Amendment request. 1059 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,080 These two requests do build upon one another, so the Comprehensive Plan request approval 1060 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,840 of that would be needed to support the zoning request. 1061 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,840 We'll get into that as we move through the presentation. 1062 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,600 As I mentioned, this is a 92-acre tract of land. 1063 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,640 The purpose of the Comprehensive Plan Amendment and the Rezoning Amendment is to facilitate 1064 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,600 the development of a residential subdivision on approximately 65 acres situated on the southern 1065 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:42,240 portion of the property and designate the northern 27 acres as MN for future either 1066 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,440 higher density residential development or commercial. 1067 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,080 The existing future land use is rural areas. 1068 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,980 The proposed future land use is community mixed use along the northern 27 acres and 1069 01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:56,960 moderate residential along the southern portion of the property. 1070 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,920 Property is currently developed with a single-family residence. 1071 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:05,120 It also in the northwest corner houses a wedding venue that is operating and is intended to 1072 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,040 be, to continue for the foreseeable future. 1073 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,080 There is existing FEMA flood plan and unassessed ESA that runs east to west along the southern 1074 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,000 portion of the site. 1075 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,320 The Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan Amendment, the request is moderate residential and community 1076 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,600 mixed use. 1077 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:28,080 Moderate residential future land use category is intended to accommodate single-family detached 1078 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,280 neighborhoods, predominantly also contemplates some low-rise multifamily dwellings and town 1079 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,260 homes and may also include some neighborhood serving commercial. 1080 01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:42,440 Community mixed use is intended to provide a mix of uses, but predominantly in these 1081 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,980 cases commercial uses are predominant with residential being secondary to that. 1082 01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:52,200 These proposed future land use designations do fit into the overall character of the area 1083 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,520 and help establish a transition from higher intensity uses that we would see along the 1084 01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:02,040 35 corridor and the Hunter development to the west as you move to the east closer to 1085 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,200 US 377 where there are more moderate residential developments. 1086 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:11,000 Then again from the north the property would naturally transition from the Hunter property 1087 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,600 to the north of the subject property and then moving south toward that country like development 1088 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,940 having the community use option in there and then transitioning to the moderate residential 1089 01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:25,560 before going down to where the country likes development is. 1090 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,480 The two land uses are intended to help facilitate that natural transition of intensity moving 1091 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:36,080 from the highway towards where we have more of our residential areas. 1092 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,160 The proposed amendments do meet the goals of the comprehensive plan, there are a few 1093 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,680 that I want to point out. 1094 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,200 This does assist in our goal to grow compactly. 1095 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,960 This is in what we affectionately call one of the donut holes of the city. 1096 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,160 We've had an area of the city that has not been annexed in yet and was assigned to the 1097 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:57,960 designation of rural residential while we worked through the comprehensive plan. 1098 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,800 Now that the property has been annexed and the city does have some zoning authority on 1099 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,800 the property, it's appropriate to evaluate the comp plan and how this property develops 1100 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,280 in the future. 1101 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,200 The community mixed use and moderate residential designations do help provide that transition 1102 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,240 zone as I talked about and also provide a little bit of additional buffering from those 1103 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:23,120 existing single family uses to the higher intensity uses we expect to see with the Hunter 1104 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,360 development. 1105 01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:30,200 It is also supportive of our housing goals to develop a diverse housing stock as well 1106 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,760 as the land preservation plan. 1107 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:37,880 As I said there is unassessed ESA on the site, however after that field assessment should 1108 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:43,280 the ESA be confirmed, the applicant would be required to protect and mitigate appropriately 1109 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,160 in accordance with the requirements of the DDC. 1110 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,440 This does meet our criteria for approval both generally and specific to comprehensive plan 1111 01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:57,600 amendment requests, there are a few things I wanted to draw your attention to. 1112 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,880 To meet the criteria for comprehensive plan amendment, the application is required to 1113 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,560 meet one of several criteria, the one that this one particularly meets is events and 1114 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,480 trends have changed since the adoption of the comprehensive plan. 1115 01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:17,880 As I said this property had been subject to restrictive covenants, was in the ETJ, however 1116 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,760 they have now annexed into the city and have changed the findings of fact on that particular 1117 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,680 piece of property, it is now part of the city limits. 1118 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,480 In addition we've sent infrastructure extended to the area to make it accessible to this 1119 01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:35,320 particular site, more specifically Sagebrook, as I said they are starting to see homes, 1120 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:40,080 the infrastructure is there for them to be able to connect to Hunter and Cole, both of 1121 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,240 our master plan communities are also beginning to come online, have started to plot the first 1122 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:51,320 phases of their development and will be developing adjacent to the property in the near future. 1123 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,320 There's no conflict with the goals of the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan, we do find 1124 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,360 that it would further support our housing goals and help create that area of transition 1125 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:05,360 from 35 moving east, community mixed use and moderate residential typically come with zoning 1126 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:11,920 districts that further our goals of the comprehensive plan specific to our land use and help add 1127 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,400 to the existing land use pattern and really start to establish that framework as we see 1128 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:20,320 this area of the city develop. 1129 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:26,040 That is the comprehensive plan amendment request, going to go right into the zoning change request, 1130 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:31,280 so building upon what we just talked about, this would be the zoning change request for 1131 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,520 the particular piece of property. 1132 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,880 This image here does show the existing zoning in the area, the property is zoned RR, I've 1133 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,280 added this map because it helps show that the sub-districts of the Hunter Cole property, 1134 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:49,280 so you can see to the north there is some MR and MN as well as to the west we do have 1135 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,720 more MR, again to the south and to the east we have some moderate residential in our existing 1136 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,600 PDs and then we do have areas that are not within the city. 1137 01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:04,280 So the specific request here is from rural residential to mixed use neighborhood on approximately 1138 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:11,240 27 acres and residential 6 on approximately 65 acres, as I've said the property is currently 1139 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:17,160 developed and there is existing FEMA flood plan which runs along the southern portion. 1140 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:22,400 So if the comprehensive plan amendment is approved, the zoning request would be in line 1141 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,360 with this comprehensive plan amendment, moderate residential is intended to accommodate our 1142 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:33,200 single family detached neighborhoods, it does also support some multi-family and town homes 1143 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,540 and neighborhood mixed use is intended to apply to areas where the predominant use is 1144 01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:42,360 commercial but does envision a variety of housing types and is intended to serve as 1145 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,360 a transitional area. 1146 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:50,080 Both MN and R6 do support the goals of these future land use designations and would help 1147 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:55,640 to serve as a transition before more intensive commercial uses along the highway as you move 1148 01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:03,240 west towards US 377, further as the hunter development does come online, the MN zoning 1149 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,480 district would be consistent with the MR and MN that is surrounding it and the moderate 1150 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:14,280 residential is compatible with the country lakes development further to the south. 1151 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:20,560 This does meet the general criteria of approval for zoning change request as well as our area. 1152 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,600 Specifically we do find that the zoning request is consistent with the land use goals, the 1153 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:29,760 housing goals and the land preservation goals of the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan. 1154 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:35,520 Both MN and R6 zoning districts are compatible and support the moderate residential and community 1155 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,640 mixed use future land use designations. 1156 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,080 In the next five years this region of the city is expected to continue to see growth 1157 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:50,880 with I-35 expansion project beginning, the hunter ranch project starting to develop and 1158 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,280 sage brick continuing to develop out along with the regional park in the area expected 1159 01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:00,440 to start construction and would bring additional attraction to the area. 1160 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:05,280 The zoning is not expected to generate any significant environmental impact nor impact 1161 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,840 to adverse impact to infrastructure or fiscal. 1162 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:15,240 We did conduct notification in accordance with state law and our code of ordinances. 1163 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,240 Mailings were sent out. 1164 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,960 This was posted in the paper as well as signs on the property. 1165 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,280 The applicant did not conduct a neighborhood meeting but did reach out and connect with 1166 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,600 neighboring property owners individually. 1167 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,680 The applicant's hearing can speak to that more specifically but at this time we received 1168 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:34,160 no letters in favor or in opposition of the project. 1169 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:39,240 We are recommending approval of both the comprehensive plan amendment and the zoning change request 1170 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:44,000 as they both meet the general criteria for approval as well as the specific criteria 1171 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,080 for approval for both the comprehensive plan amendment and a zoning change request. 1172 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,560 The next step in this process would be city council which is tentatively slated for August 1173 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,200 20th and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. 1174 01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,000 The applicant is also here and can answer any questions you have of them. 1175 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,480 Thank you Angie. 1176 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,480 Any questions right now? 1177 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:05,480 Commissioner Pruitt. 1178 01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:06,480 Thank you Chair. 1179 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:11,440 Angie, thank you for the great overview on that. 1180 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:18,200 I heard several things, one the desire in the comprehensive plan to grow compactly as 1181 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:27,440 well as this concept of transition areas and I'm thinking back to the item that we just 1182 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:32,160 heard about a smaller multifamily along Elm. 1183 01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:38,100 Help me understand how this is compact when it's very near to the southern border of our 1184 01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:39,100 city. 1185 01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:45,560 Sure and we do recognize that it is near the southern border however it is immediately 1186 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:51,920 adjacent to some of the higher intensity based districts of the Hunter Cole development. 1187 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:57,700 It is situated along a primary arterial which will eventually be a six lane roadway as well 1188 01:14:57,700 --> 01:15:05,240 as a secondary providing access and connectivity to the area and it is filling in one of those 1189 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:10,000 what we call donut holes of the city rather than continuing to sprawl out. 1190 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,500 So this has been kind of a carve out or a notch that hasn't quite made it into city 1191 01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:20,800 limits yet but is coming online and is providing a bit of that transition from the Hunter zoning 1192 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,280 that we will expect to see to the established uses that are in the area and kind of filling 1193 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:31,080 in that pocket so to speak. 1194 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,080 Commissioner Villarreal. 1195 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,080 Thank you Chair. 1196 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,520 Thank you Angie, I have a quick question for the applicant. 1197 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,240 I think the applicant is actually going to come up and have a presentation. 1198 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:46,600 I've got a card here so we'll pause that question. 1199 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,720 Anything else for Angie? 1200 01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,440 So I've got actually two applicant cards. 1201 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:59,380 I've got Alan Hughes and Thomas Fletcher so I don't know how you're sharing that but come 1202 01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:03,200 on down and your time will begin. 1203 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,000 Good evening. 1204 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,000 Hello. 1205 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,480 How are you doing? 1206 01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:08,480 If you'll state your name. 1207 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,840 My name is Alan Hughes and this is my sister Jan. 1208 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,840 Hi. 1209 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:14,840 Hi. 1210 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:20,680 We are the owners along with our parents of Dentex Land, Cattle and Energy LP. 1211 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,100 We've owned this track for 30 years. 1212 01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:30,760 She currently operates a farm there, JM Prosperity Farm and Rustic Barn Venue. 1213 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:37,720 It's a wedding venue and we've been lifelong residents of Denton County and have seen the 1214 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:42,000 tremendous growth firsthand of what's going on. 1215 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:48,860 Over the last 10 years as development has started to move closer and closer to the farm 1216 01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:54,720 and as our parents have aged, we have discussed more about the future of the farm knowing 1217 01:16:54,720 --> 01:17:00,000 that at some point it would make sense to develop it into something more. 1218 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,120 With Country Lakes North, now at our south property line and Sage Brook moving closer 1219 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:12,620 from the east, we believe now is the right time to position our property to develop in 1220 01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:16,980 a manner that will make our family legacy proud. 1221 01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:22,280 In meeting with the City and discussing the development options and the process, it was 1222 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,800 determined that annexation would be required prior to development. 1223 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,580 The thought of annexation brought a lot of questions and concerns. 1224 01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:39,320 We've had several meetings with the City discuss these concerns, which included my sister's 1225 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:45,520 ability to continue to operate the venue and live on the property and the uncertainty of 1226 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,440 the zoning process. 1227 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:54,640 In hearing that my sister and her business wouldn't be impacted and staff would be supportive 1228 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,120 of zoning that is compatible with Country Lakes, Sage Brook and the adjacent portion 1229 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:06,960 of Hunter Ranch, it alleviated some of our concerns and so we decided to annex into the 1230 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,440 city so we could start this zoning process. 1231 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:18,460 As mentioned by staff, the annexation was finalized last week on July 16th. 1232 01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:22,960 Our requests before you tonight are compatible with the surrounding zoning districts, therefore 1233 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,540 we request your support. 1234 01:18:25,540 --> 01:18:31,360 Our consultant, Thomas Fletcher, is here to assist in answering any questions and provide 1235 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,000 additional information regarding the request. 1236 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,920 Thank you for your time and consideration. 1237 01:18:37,920 --> 01:19:01,160 Good evening, commissioners, Thomas Fletcher with Killing Horn, 6160 Warren Parkway, Frisco, 1238 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,160 Texas. 1239 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,760 Appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight. 1240 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:10,400 I've been working with the U's for some time and as they mentioned, we've had numerous 1241 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,200 meetings with the city just to kind of get them familiar. 1242 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,360 They're landowners, they're not developers and they wanted to make sure that they were 1243 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,280 understanding of the process and making the decision to move forward with the annexation 1244 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,080 and now the comp plan amendment and the zoning change request. 1245 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,680 So I've got a couple of things I want to go over. 1246 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,600 First of all, I want to thank Angie. 1247 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,320 She's been working with us for some time now and she did a very thorough presentation so 1248 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,640 I'm going to keep my presentation brief and then stand for questions. 1249 01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,360 I did want to share this one slide. 1250 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:45,360 What we did is we showed the proposed zoning map along with the mobility plan so that it 1251 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:51,160 gives you, you know, I think it gives you a real picture of what this area is going 1252 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:58,080 to evolve into with the all red, Brush Creek Road is a future primary arterial, with John 1253 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:05,120 Payne north of Johnson Road is a secondary arterial and with Interstate 35W, with frontage 1254 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,620 roads, with the overpass, with the off ramp. 1255 01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:15,240 So this will be a full interchange once that tech stop project is completed in the near 1256 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:16,720 future. 1257 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,160 You can see the proposed portion of the zoning that's MN. 1258 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:25,120 It's going to be located at the southeast corner of two arterials. 1259 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,760 One will be a future six lane, the other will be a future four lane and then the residential 1260 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:35,520 on the south, which is R6, would be located adjacent to the northern portion of Country 1261 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:42,840 Lakes North and then also as Sagebrook continues to grow to the, you know, back to the west, 1262 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:48,280 to the eastern boundary, you can kind of see how all of this will eventually kind of somewhat 1263 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,040 connect together. 1264 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:55,160 The Sagebrook development, if you look at their lot sizes, they are R6 in nature. 1265 01:20:55,160 --> 01:21:00,320 They're roughly 6,000 or over square feet in size. 1266 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:06,520 The Country Lakes North phase 5B, which is the section that is closest to the property, 1267 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:13,400 if you look at the lot sizes in that plat, you have 50 by 110, you have 55 by 110, 60 1268 01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:14,820 by 110. 1269 01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:20,720 Most of the lots in that section are anywhere from 5,500 square feet up to about 6,500 square 1270 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:21,720 feet. 1271 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,000 And there are some corner lots that are larger in size. 1272 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,920 So when you look at our request for R6, that is a minimum 6,000 square foot lot. 1273 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,640 So it is compatible with both Country Lakes and with Sagebrook. 1274 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:40,360 Some of the lots in Country Lakes actually fall into the R7 criteria. 1275 01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:45,200 Actually that's really what I wanted to point out, I think Angie kind of covered all the 1276 01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,800 other aspects and I'm happy to answer questions. 1277 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:54,360 I know Commissioner Villareal, you mentioned that you had a question, so I'm happy to take 1278 01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:55,360 questions. 1279 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,360 Thank you. 1280 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,680 I will go ahead and call on Commissioner Villareal. 1281 01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:59,680 Thank you, Chair. 1282 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:00,680 Of course. 1283 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:01,680 Thank you so much for the presentation. 1284 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,680 Just a quick question. 1285 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,160 I know during our work session they mentioned that you had conversations with the property 1286 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,160 owner to the east. 1287 01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,920 Did y'all have a lot of conversations with the property owners in Country Lakes at all? 1288 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:17,480 So when we first started looking at Country Lakes, as this project has developed, they're 1289 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:23,720 in the process of building houses, so there's houses in various stages. 1290 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:30,840 So what we did is once the annexation was completed, we had put together a letter that 1291 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,760 kind of outlined our request. 1292 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:39,840 So it stated that our request was for a comp plan amendment, a zoning change request. 1293 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:47,160 It would be for R6, which is compatible with both Country Lakes North and with Sagebrook. 1294 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,880 And just kind of went through the process. 1295 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,020 We included in the letter that there would be the P&Z hearing tonight. 1296 01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:57,040 We included that the City Council was scheduled for August 20th. 1297 01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:02,840 I provided my email address, my phone number. 1298 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:09,080 We went out, me and one of my assistants went out last Wednesday, the day after the City 1299 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,440 Council meeting where the annexation was completed. 1300 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:17,920 We took about 60 letters because that's how many lots we counted were within the 500 foot 1301 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,840 courtesy notification. 1302 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,840 We ended up passing out 37. 1303 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:29,500 The others were either vacant lots, houses in construction or homes that were available. 1304 01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:36,040 Out of all the letters that we passed out, there was one homeowner that was outside that 1305 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,200 we spoke with and kind of explained to her. 1306 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,000 I think she was trying to, when she saw me walking up, she was trying to get in her garage 1307 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,680 and get away from me because I think because the subdivision is so new, she thought, "Well, 1308 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,260 I thought you were here to sell me a security system or shutters or something." 1309 01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:56,880 So she was the only, and she actually backs to Johnson Lane. 1310 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,200 She was the only neighbor that we actually spoke with. 1311 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:07,920 I've not received any emails or any phone calls from the letter, but that was the notification 1312 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,080 we did and we told them that we would be happy within the letter. 1313 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:18,200 We provided a copy of the letter and then the zoning map, the proposed zoning map, we 1314 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:23,800 provided a copy of that to city staff, but it did say that we're happy to meet with any 1315 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:29,280 of them up until the city council meeting if they have questions. 1316 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:35,600 Did that property owner on Johnson, did they have any concerns about the project at all? 1317 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,600 How was the conversation? 1318 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:44,200 They told me that they picked the house and they picked the house back into Johnson because 1319 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:51,840 they enjoyed the ability to sit on the back porch and watch the horses. 1320 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,040 So they were somewhat disappointed that development was coming. 1321 01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:01,160 They assumed that at some point development would come, but that was her honest, candid 1322 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:07,880 reaction is that they had chosen that particular lot because it did back to the property and 1323 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,720 they were able to sit out and watch the horses. 1324 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:18,800 She said she would look at the information, let me know if she had any additional questions 1325 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,200 and I haven't heard any follow up. 1326 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,200 Thank you. 1327 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,200 I appreciate that. 1328 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,200 Yeah, absolutely. 1329 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,200 Thank you. 1330 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,960 Any other questions right now for Mr. Pledger? 1331 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:29,960 Thank you very much. 1332 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:30,960 Thank you. 1333 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:31,960 Appreciate it. 1334 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:36,040 I do have another card wishing to speak and that is Angela Dominguez. 1335 01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,040 Hello. 1336 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:42,640 Hello, how are you? 1337 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:43,640 Good. 1338 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:44,640 If you'll state your name, your time will begin. 1339 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,640 Good evening. 1340 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:52,040 I'm Angela Dominguez and I reside at 6250 Allred Road. 1341 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:58,880 My husband and I first met the Hughes in 1998 when we bought 35 acres next to them. 1342 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:04,080 We have known them to be wonderful neighbors and stewards of the land ever since. 1343 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,640 Anne and Alan were kind enough to share their ideas for their properties next chapter with 1344 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,240 us and as a neighbor and civil engineer I found it to be a very thoughtful concept and 1345 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:20,240 legacy to their family and a proposed addition to the city of Denton. 1346 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,280 I wholeheartedly support their land use and zoning request. 1347 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,280 Thank you. 1348 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,840 Thanks for coming out. 1349 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,280 I don't have any other cards in front of me but this is a public hearing. 1350 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:37,680 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on either of these items? 1351 01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:44,040 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing for 4D and 4E and I will open the floor for 1352 01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,020 discussion or a motion. 1353 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:48,280 We would have to take these one at a time. 1354 01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:54,040 The first one being the comprehensive plan amendment, that would be 4D. 1355 01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:58,280 Commissioner Cole? 1356 01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:59,800 I make a motion to approve. 1357 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,840 I think we all know what that's going to look like in 10 years and I think it's going to 1358 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,360 tie in with everything else that's going to be there. 1359 01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:09,560 Thank you. 1360 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:10,560 Commissioner Thagger? 1361 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,560 I second. 1362 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,560 Okay. 1363 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,080 We've got a first and a second. 1364 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,080 Item 4D. 1365 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,080 Any discussion? 1366 01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,080 Commissioner Pruitt? 1367 01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,080 Thank you, Chair. 1368 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,100 Yeah, I'll just say I think the applicant and staff have worked really well together 1369 01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:27,680 to try to think about what this will become. 1370 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:33,980 My opposition to this land use amendment or the future land use map here is really just 1371 01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:44,960 an extension of my long-term opposition to the expansion of Hickory Creek Road and the 1372 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:51,560 extension of that through Alred and now South of St. Derek, so thank you. 1373 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,520 Thank you. 1374 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,320 We've got a first and a second for approval. 1375 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,200 Any other discussion? 1376 01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,560 Okay. 1377 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:09,920 Let's go ahead and vote, please. 1378 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:10,920 Let's see. 1379 01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:16,160 That is going to fail 3-2. 1380 01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:21,840 So in taking up 4E then, we actually cannot, correct? 1381 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,480 We would need that to have passed. 1382 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,880 Oh, is it? 1383 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,960 I thought we needed 4 as well. 1384 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:40,880 We're going to pause here for a little ... No, that's okay. 1385 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:58,800 I appreciate you looking it up. 1386 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:12,320 Okay. 1387 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:30,240 Okay. 1388 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:58,560 We're going to go ahead and take a recess at 716 while we continue for a little bit of 1389 01:29:58,560 --> 01:29:59,560 legal update. 1390 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:08,640 Thank you for your patience. 1391 01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:14,040 I will call us back to order at 725 after our recess. 1392 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:21,240 We did need to take some time to confirm with legal if a simple majority would constitute 1393 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:22,480 an approval. 1394 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:26,500 Our vote for item 4D was 3-2. 1395 01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:35,800 So it has been stated that yes, a simple majority would make that an approved item 3-2. 1396 01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:42,040 So that will take us then to 4E, Z240009. 1397 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:47,880 Before I look for a motion, Commissioner Thagard, I see you on the board wishing to speak. 1398 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,000 Did you want to do that before this item? 1399 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,000 Yeah. 1400 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,880 I just wanted to, and I think you guys have already answered the question, so I'm just 1401 01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:57,440 asking once more, sorry. 1402 01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:01,480 All red is going to be a major artery, is that correct, eventually? 1403 01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:02,480 That's the plan? 1404 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:03,480 Yep. 1405 01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:04,480 Go ahead, Angie. 1406 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:05,480 Okay. 1407 01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:14,040 2022 mobility plan designates roadways, both current and future classifications. 1408 01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:19,400 All red brush creek are proposed to align, providing east-west connection as a primary 1409 01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,040 arterial, which has ultimately six travel lanes. 1410 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,040 Okay. 1411 01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:25,040 Thank you. 1412 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,040 Okay. 1413 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:35,240 So we are on item 4E, Z240009, as far as looking for a motion. 1414 01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:36,240 Commissioner Cole? 1415 01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,400 I make a motion to approve. 1416 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,400 Okay. 1417 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,200 We've got a motion for approval. 1418 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:42,200 Commissioner Thagard? 1419 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,200 I second. 1420 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,200 Okay. 1421 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,280 We've got a first and a second for approval. 1422 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,440 I do see Mr. Fletcher in front of me. 1423 01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,640 Were you wishing to speak before we take up this vote? 1424 01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,620 Please come on down. 1425 01:31:56,620 --> 01:31:57,620 Thank you. 1426 01:31:57,620 --> 01:32:00,160 I appreciate the opportunity to speak one more time before y'all vote. 1427 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,040 I did want to say, just providing a little bit more history, the discussions with the 1428 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:10,960 city have been ongoing for about three years now with regard to development of this property. 1429 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:16,280 These landowners who are Denton County residents, who have been lifelong residents, lived in 1430 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:22,960 the county, had the advantages of living in the county, went through multiple meetings 1431 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,800 with the city to understand the process. 1432 01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,640 Their biggest concerns was wanting to be treated fairly. 1433 01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:34,120 They see developers coming in around them, developers such as Hunter and Cole Ranch and 1434 01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:39,000 those developments, Sagebrook, Country Lakes to the south. 1435 01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:44,600 So it took a leap of faith for them to get to the point where they decided that they 1436 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,540 would annex. 1437 01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:48,160 So I do want to share that. 1438 01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:53,640 I understand that you, Commissioner Pruitt, may have feelings about certain things with 1439 01:32:53,640 --> 01:33:01,240 regard to development, but what we are asking is consistent with the developments that are 1440 01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,760 coming in around them. 1441 01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,760 They have annexed, they're in the city now, so there's no turning back from that. 1442 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:15,280 We talked to the city about development agreements and development agreements are something that 1443 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,680 just generally do not occur. 1444 01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,720 There's concerns about contract zoning and all of that. 1445 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:26,120 So I would, you know, we've met with the neighbors, we passed out flyers to the neighbors to the 1446 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,200 south, we're compatible with them. 1447 01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:34,520 So I do want to point that out again, just because the owners here that are before you, 1448 01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,100 they're now within the city. 1449 01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:41,040 They took that leap of faith and they're just asking for a fair treatment to be able to 1450 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:45,200 develop their land compatible with the surrounding land uses. 1451 01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,640 And this is a big vote. 1452 01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,440 It impacts their lives. 1453 01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:51,520 So I did want to get up and make that statement. 1454 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:52,520 Thank you. 1455 01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:53,520 Thank you. 1456 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:54,520 Okay. 1457 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:59,520 We've got a first and a second for approval of item 4E, further discussion. 1458 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,520 Commissioner Pruitt. 1459 01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:05,120 Thank you, Chair. 1460 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,500 I would like to move to divide the question to separate out the recommendation of the 1461 01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:18,940 rezoning of the proposed MN portion from the rezoning of the proposed R6 portion. 1462 01:34:18,940 --> 01:34:25,000 The reason I'd like to do this is that I recognize the applicant, as the representative just 1463 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,920 stated, has been through this process for several years. 1464 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:35,100 I don't really want to throw wrenches and things, but I can get behind some of this, 1465 01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:36,100 but not all of it. 1466 01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:41,520 And so maybe this is a path forward where we can move forward. 1467 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:49,240 Go ahead, Angie, go ahead. 1468 01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,920 Understanding that this is a possible motion, I wanted to provide a little bit of context 1469 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,460 to why MN was targeted for this property. 1470 01:34:56,460 --> 01:35:04,240 Not only does it match what is to the north and west of the subject property, as mentioned, 1471 01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,640 the owner has a single family home as well as the residential ... I'm sorry, single family 1472 01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:15,520 home is a residential ... single family home as well as the wedding venue on the property. 1473 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:22,640 While both of those uses are allowed in our additional modifications to them, we'll trigger 1474 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:26,520 platting per just our standards. 1475 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:34,160 And so we sat and kind of did a strategy table and sketched out what the property could look 1476 01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,800 like under RR if they wanted to add a structure to the wedding venue, and then they would 1477 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:43,400 have to plat the wedding venue and the residential home on separate structures and maintain that 1478 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,040 five acres and the access. 1479 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:50,920 And so I did just want to point out the potential challenge that the existing RR could have 1480 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,920 for the current uses. 1481 01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:57,160 They are legal nonconforming, but as we know, once you start making modifications and expansions, 1482 01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,880 you lose that legal nonconforming status. 1483 01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:08,160 The MN zoning district does provide the flexibility to allow them to operate that use and stay 1484 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:09,900 within the realms of the code. 1485 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:12,760 I just wanted to provide that little bit of context as to how we got there. 1486 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:17,120 I know it wasn't in the backup, but it wasn't necessarily germane to the conversation, so 1487 01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,120 that's all. 1488 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,920 Appreciate that. 1489 01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:25,920 In response to splitting this up, I mean, I can't get on board with that. 1490 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,860 What's presented before us makes sense with what is happening in this area with the future 1491 01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:36,360 of the roadways, with the density that is already there, with Sage Brook that is in 1492 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,600 process of being built, with Country Lakes that's already being built, with the entire 1493 01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:49,360 master plan in and all around it with the support of the neighbor next door. 1494 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,040 It makes sense for what this area is going to be. 1495 01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,600 It will be compact. 1496 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:58,080 It's not compact right now, but it will be. 1497 01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,600 Everything about this, to me, makes sense for the area. 1498 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,640 Go ahead, Commissioner Prout. 1499 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:11,360 Just to be clear, I'm in support of the MN portion and not of the R6 portion. 1500 01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,280 I understood that. 1501 01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,000 Is there any other discussion? 1502 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,600 We've got a first and a second for approval. 1503 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:19,600 Okay. 1504 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:29,520 Seeing none, let's go ahead and vote, please. 1505 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:39,040 That motion will carry, as we understand, 3-2, going to council on August 20th. 1506 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,040 Okay. 1507 01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:56,520 That will take us to our planning and zoning matrix, and I will turn it over to Tina. 1508 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,520 Thank you, Chair Ellis. 1509 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:02,640 With respect to the matrix, while the commission did not add anything in its prior meeting, 1510 01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:07,640 we did try to update some of the timeframes on the remaining items to be able to deliver 1511 01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,480 to you. 1512 01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:15,680 In particularly, a discussion regarding impacts of subdividing commercial lots and the potential 1513 01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:21,200 for tree preservation laws, so we're anticipating bringing that back, hopefully, late August, 1514 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,040 mid-September on that item, and I think we're going to dovetail in there since we've got 1515 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,520 some members that are new to the commission, just a presentation on our tree preservation 1516 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:36,200 ordinance as well, just to consider a boot camp opportunity, and then also the LSR explaining 1517 01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,880 the practices and legal limitations related to state law changes and roadways. 1518 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:45,160 I know Hillary is working on that and is looking at delivering that in the fall as well. 1519 01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:51,080 Those are the timeframes we updated, as well as I should make note, the comp plan. 1520 01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,000 We are looking to provide an update. 1521 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,640 We've got that tentatively scheduled sometime in August or September, so we were hoping 1522 01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:00,480 to get that to you sooner, but with all the area plan work and trying to get projects 1523 01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,920 across the finish line for adoption, not to mention all the public hearings that we've 1524 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:09,440 been working through lately, that one, unfortunately, has gotten a little delayed. 1525 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:13,600 Also just want to give you a quick update on the design downtown denton plan, so that's 1526 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:18,080 slated to come before the Planning and Zoning Commission in August at your meeting on August 1527 01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,760 14th. 1528 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:25,160 In terms of City Council actions since your last regular meeting in June, so we've had 1529 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:26,720 several. 1530 01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:34,720 If you recall, the specific use permit that Ashley worked on with Advanced Microbial Solutions, 1531 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:39,280 we had two properties out there, those were both approved. 1532 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:44,840 The Walker Giesling case that Mia had presented to the commission, and I think you all had 1533 01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,600 continued it for an additional meeting discussion to allow for some additional neighborhood 1534 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:53,200 engagement that was south of 380, east of Giesling Road. 1535 01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,200 That was also approved. 1536 01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:59,640 Happy to report the razor ranch ordinance consolidation was also approved, so I know 1537 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,600 the team greatly appreciate that. 1538 01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:07,560 Erin had a DATCU drive-through modification, the specific use permit amendment, I'm thinking 1539 01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:13,160 that one was on Teasley Lane, okay, great, I didn't write location down, so my apologies, 1540 01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,840 so that was also approved. 1541 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:20,000 Very much happy to report that the Southeast Denton Area Plan was approved last night, 1542 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,840 so as you're well aware of, that was a huge undertaking, which thank you for all of your 1543 01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:28,320 participation and your support throughout that project, because I know we came to you 1544 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:34,040 many times to provide project updates and to receive your feedback, so thank you. 1545 01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:39,320 Julie and Mia are super happy, so short-term rentals, that one continues to live on, so 1546 01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:44,840 that went to council last night, it resulted in a 3-3 tie vote, so that will go back to 1547 01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:52,200 council on August 6th, so hopefully we'll get some resolution on that at that time, 1548 01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:56,320 and then lastly, we had the sub-chapter one, the conflicts with the criteria manuals, the 1549 01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:02,760 DDC amendment that Angie's been working on, and so that was also approved, so that concludes 1550 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:03,760 my report. 1551 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:04,760 Thank you. 1552 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:06,040 Thank you, Tina. 1553 01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:07,040 Anything else for the matrix? 1554 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:08,040 Sorry. 1555 01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,040 Thank you, Chair. 1556 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,040 Something for the matrix? 1557 01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,040 Yes. 1558 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,040 Okay, go ahead, Commissioner Villara. 1559 01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:21,680 I just had a question on when do y'all decide to have, I guess, long-form conversations 1560 01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:27,520 with the community and developers on certain projects, I guess in particular with the short-term 1561 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,040 rental conversation, I know we had to push it back to have that additional conversation 1562 01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:38,040 with the real estate community, I guess what leads to that decision prior to it coming 1563 01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:43,520 before council, and why, I guess, wasn't that had prior to the first vote? 1564 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:44,520 So if I'm under... 1565 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,200 I'm gonna paraphrase and see if I got your question correct. 1566 01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,960 So are you asking why did we not meet with the Realtors Association before we considered 1567 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:52,960 SDRs? 1568 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,680 I guess, yeah, that's one of my main questions since they are one of the stakeholders in 1569 01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:57,680 the conversation. 1570 01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:03,200 You know, honestly, I don't think we really thought of it. 1571 01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:08,240 I mean, we tried to...we did the public engagement per the Development Code Review Committee's 1572 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:13,160 request and so we did the developer town halls as well as we did the online survey, we did 1573 01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:18,200 press releases, we utilized a variety of tools in order to be able to get the word out. 1574 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:25,480 So why we did not get traction with them sooner than later, I don't know, I mean, we tried 1575 01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:30,880 to take into consideration all interested participants, but it was just one that did 1576 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:37,560 not come to the forefront, so hopefully somebody would have picked up on it if folks were interested 1577 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:43,160 in what was happening with short-term rentals, because again, we did...normally on code amendments 1578 01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:47,520 we're not doing press releases and things of that nature, but between all of our efforts 1579 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:51,920 on the engagement, we were trying to reach out to people as best as we could. 1580 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:52,920 Gotcha. 1581 01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:53,920 Thank you. 1582 01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:54,920 You're welcome. 1583 01:42:54,920 --> 01:43:00,400 And I think I can add a little bit more to that. 1584 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:06,080 That vocal group of realtors was not present in those meetings in general that they had 1585 01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,080 in the entire outreach. 1586 01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:13,520 It came up at the council meeting, which is when council then postponed it so that a meeting 1587 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:18,520 could be had, but that's when it kind of came up that, "Oh, I guess we should have this," 1588 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:27,080 but that was the first time that I believe staff and council at that point had heard 1589 01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:35,440 from that group, so that's why it was done in between the two council meetings that they've 1590 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:40,840 heard it so far, so hopefully that shed a little bit of clarity on it. 1591 01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:46,480 Yes, and I guess my question is, is there a list of stakeholders you usually go to when 1592 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:51,160 projects of that nature would impact that community, or it just depends on who's in 1593 01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:52,960 charge at that point? 1594 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:59,240 Well, or we collectively get together and we try to come up with who all the potential 1595 01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,280 stakeholders would be. 1596 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,120 We even followed up with other communities to find out what stakeholders that they were 1597 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:10,980 experiencing, and typically it was residents within the community and then the operators. 1598 01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:16,440 So in other communities that we were working with, Realtors Association hadn't come up, 1599 01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:22,600 so but it did here in Denton, and so hence why council directed us to continue the public 1600 01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:23,600 hearing. 1601 01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,760 We did have the meeting with them and they did provide written correspondence. 1602 01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:34,560 Their concern is regulation of property and any regulation and removal of any property 1603 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,400 owner's potential private property rights. 1604 01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:43,280 They were also not in support of the thousand unit cap and the 100 foot minimum separation, 1605 01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:50,560 and so some of them had also expressed concern related to even the cap that we have, no more 1606 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,800 than two units if you have a triplex or a fourplex. 1607 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,600 So I would encourage you to listen and watch the planning or the city council meeting from 1608 01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:02,840 last night, and you know, they expressed their comments at that meeting as well, and you 1609 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,080 could listen to the council discussion on that as well. 1610 01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:06,080 Gotcha. 1611 01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,080 Thank you. 1612 01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:08,480 When is council hearing that again? 1613 01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:11,640 So that comes back on August 6th. 1614 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:12,640 Okay. 1615 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:13,640 Thank you. 1616 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,380 Anything else for the matrix? 1617 01:45:15,380 --> 01:45:16,840 Any concluding items? 1618 01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:17,840 Okay. 1619 01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,340 I will go ahead and adjourn us at 7.40 p.m. 1620 01:45:21,340 --> 01:45:22,440 Thank you very much, everyone.