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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, July 17, 2024.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5.02 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioner Thaggard is absent at this time.

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 First item on our work session agenda is the clarification on tonight's agenda.

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 We have just public hearings today, so I'll go ahead and call up to ACA240002.

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 That is Julie's and we'll see if anyone has questions.

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 Hi, Julie.

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 >> Hi.

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 I don't have a work session presentation unless you'd like to go over it, but I'm happy to

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 answer any questions that you may have regarding the plan.

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 We also have Chai Roos here to answer any questions as well.

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 >> What was your favorite part about the process?

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 >> You know, we learned a lot with the public engagement and I'll say that we've -- especially

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 public engagement is less about holding a meeting at a community center and expecting

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 the public to come to you.

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 And I think that was one of the biggest lessons learned with this plan is that we've got to

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 have boots on the ground in the community, getting in front of the community.

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 And I think that has been the most fun thing and just like we've made a lot of friends.

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 And so it's just been delightful getting to know the members of the community and being

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 I'm a fan of popsicle engagement.

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 >> We are too.

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 >> That was a great question.

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 I think we're just all so thrilled that we're at this stage of this plan.

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 Next one would be 2B, DCA240008.

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 Keisha's here for -- just a quick little brief and we'll see if anybody's got questions

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 since our last time we visited with us.

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 >> Did we -- I think we hammered things out last time.

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 >> Good evening.

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 Keisha Siriano, assistant planning director.

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 So tonight we'll be putting together the proposal to you all for the planning and zoning commission

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 adding the operational procedure for you to be able to reconsider agenda items.

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 This does still include the processes we discussed at the last work session where you would have

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 the option to have a -- whether the -- excuse me.

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 Whether the item is already publicly noticed to council, the timeframe for that versus if

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 it has not been a second timeframe for that, we are recommending approval of this item.

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 Good evening, chair, members of the commission, Erin Stanley, assistant planner.

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 This is DCA-0009 proposed charter school amendments to the DDC.

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 So in the most recent legislative session, some changes were made to state statute regarding

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 charter schools.

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 House Bill 1707 requires that cities treat charter schools the same as they do public

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 schools if they meet certain criteria, and that is listed in the second sub bullet point

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 here being that if the charter school does not have any administrator, officer, employee,

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 or governing body member that benefits financially in any way, the city is required to treat

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 the school the same as they would a public school in terms of development regulations.

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 Currently, we would more so review charter schools as private schools.

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 So with this House Bill change, we wanted to propose some updates to the DDC to come

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 So the -- so staff is proposing the updates you see in the proposal section here.

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 Mainly we're creating a charter school use to our definitions and updating the table

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 of allowed uses, creating a use specific standard just to refer back to that second bullet here

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 about no financial gain, and then updating the parking requirements as well.

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 And staff is recommending approval as it complies with all of the criteria for code amendments,

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 and then I'll have a more detailed presentation for the main session.

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 Now that charter schools must be treated like public schools, why -- and obviously tonight

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 Amending the Development Code to Include Section 212, Affordable Housing Incentive Procedures.

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 My name is Leah Atkinson.

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 I'm the Housing Programs Coordinator on the Community Services Department.

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 It's happy -- I'm happy to see you again.

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 And today, we're here to talk about affordability incentives.

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 In summary, our staff's proposal is to update the Dutton Development Code to include Section

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 This proposal is presented in alignment with a few different planning documents.

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 So what is housing affordability?

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 I know I've discussed this with some of the commission in the past before, but just as

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 a refresher, housing is considered affordable if a household is spending 30 percent of their

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 Sixteen percent of Denton households are extremely low-income.

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 way of saying that nearly half of Denton households could qualify for affordable housing.

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 So what can we leverage to include more housing affordability in our city?

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 These are the incentives that staff are proposing, a 20 percent deviation from minimum yard and

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 setback requirements, building coverage requirements, minimum lot width, depth and area, those three

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 separate incentives, maximum building height.

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 In exchange, the city would require this table of affordability for just one incentive.

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 That's broken down further by those subcategories.

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 For just one incentive, the city would require a commitment of 20 years of that affordability.

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 In order to access these incentives, a developer would submit a request for affordability incentives.

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 the city and the developer will sign an affordability incentive program agreement.

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 It would also include deed restrictions to ensure terms are upheld, as well as outline

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 This is something we're very good at.

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 Some will say that Very Good Apartments Incorporated bought some land in Denton and they want to

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 Their cost per unit is about $172,000.

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 If we follow the traditional 1% rule, that puts their rents at $1720, which is not particularly

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 The cost per unit would come down to around $160,000 and set that rent closer to $1,600,

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 They would be required to hold units affordable.

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 This development makes more financial sense for the developer and provides a greater benefit

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 hearing August 14th.

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 And pending a recommendation at that time and your direction then, we may proceed to

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 a public hearing with city council on September 17th.

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 I want to thank you all very much for your time and your consideration.

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 What questions can I answer?

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 Questions?

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 I guess the first thing that comes to mind, so these incentives, they're just going to

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 be approved at the staff level, right?

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 Correct.

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 So there's going to be no hearing process of that.

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 I'll go ahead and put those incentives up for easy reference.

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 Thank you.

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 Yes.

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 This would be approved at the staff level.

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 Oh, please, go ahead, Tina.

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 Tina, want to add something to that?

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 Yes.

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 So keep in mind, the public hearing process is available with the incentives being proposed

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 as part of a zoning ordinance amendment.

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 So we believe that one of the benefits that if the commission and ultimately council are

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 agreeable to allowing for this flexibility in the code for those projects that meet the

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 affordability requirement, then we've established that through a public hearing process to formally

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 amend the debt and development code.

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 And then with the approval ultimately by council, then we've acknowledged that these are acceptable

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 for the community.

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 By taking care of it this way and building it into the debt and development code, it

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 also helps with the development community saving time and money, particularly for affordability

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 projects because anytime a developer has to go through a zoning change process, that adds

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 time and money associated with the project.

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 So if we're trying to encourage more affordable housing occurring within our community, then

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 we're trying to look at ways that we can build some of that flexibility within the debt and

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 development code instead of them consistently having to go through some sort of zoning change

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 to a planned development district to get relief or potentially having to go thinking that

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 they might be able to go through the Zoning Board of Adjustment, which they would not

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 be able to meet the criteria that are associated with variances through the Zoning Board of

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 Adjustment.

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 So we feel like this is a good option to go ahead and address formally amending the code

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 doing the public hearing process at this time so that the code then already has the flexibility

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 built into it for affordability projects.

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 - Okay, and affordability projects now we just don't have a process for?

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 They're mainly through state things?

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 - So they just comply with our current zoning regulations.

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 So one of the things that we are trying to work on is we know, if you recall from some

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 of Leia's prior presentations, that we have an affordability housing issue that we're

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 trying to help address and we, the city, cannot address the affordability issue alone.

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 We need the private development community to be able to assist with providing those

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 housing options.

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 So one of the things that we've looked at is how can we offer some incentives to encourage

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 affordable units being provided within those developments.

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 So we looked at these options here that are being proposed forth and we felt like these

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 were some items that would be reasonable that could be accommodated within projects and

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 allow a developer to take advantage of it.

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 In exchange for this incentive being offered, they obviously have some performance obligations

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 that they have to meet as Leia outlined.

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 - Thanks, that was perfect, yeah.

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 - Thank you.

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 - I've learned from y'all.

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 - Okay, Commissioner Pradhan.

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 - Can you explain how y'all determine the percentage for each low-income category?

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 - Sure.

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 - On the number developed?

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 - Specifically on this table?

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 - Mm-hmm, yes.

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 - So this was generally set by the needs in our community.

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 We have a pretty large need for units at the very low-income level.

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 It's also a level at which rent is still competitive and attainable for a lot of our

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 households but does not entirely make a project's budget blow up and so we wanted to focus a

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 little bit on that but also make sure that we spread across the whole board.

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 If this is something that the commission has direction on, that's something staff can certainly

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 take back.

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 - Thank you.

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 - Mm-hmm.

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 Commissioner Prud?

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 - Thank you, Chair.

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 Thanks for all the great work.

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 I know we have a housing needs assessment that dictates how many affordable units we need

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 over the next five years or something like that.

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 Are we building to linearity on that or are we behind?

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 - Hi, Danny Shaw, Director of Community Services.

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 We are not technically behind because we've been having some success in the low-income

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 housing tax credit program which is really just funding from HUD that allows for affordable

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 development through the state.

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 So we're keeping up with the market rate and the affordable rental units in multifamily

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 but that's the only tool that we have and that was sort of why I came up to answer your

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 question earlier too is that's the only tool we have and that's not our tool.

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 It's the federal government's tool.

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 They have to go through a competitive process through the state.

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 So we are technically keeping up but we will be behind if we don't have these other tools

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 because out of last year's applications, only one got selected.

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 So it depends on how competitive they are in the state program to whether or not we're

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 even gonna get housing here and we had housing that was already in the queue to be built

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 up from 2016 on that are just now coming online.

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 So that's kept us up with our numbers so far.

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 - Okay, thank you.

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 And the proposed incentives, do we believe these are large enough to make developments

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 which are not LIHTC funded, pencil?

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 - That's the hope, yes.

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 I've run a few different kind of mock-up developments like the one that I showed you today and we

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 do find that these can be the difference between making a project work and not work but of

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 course we'll have to see what the development community says as well and that's part of

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 that public engagement we're currently conducting.

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 - Sure.

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 Is there a proposal on how to handle rounding of the percentages of units?

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 - So in our example I rounded up, that can be a detail that we work out throughout this

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 process, yeah.

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 - Okay, I'm not speaking for anybody else but my preference is to round down but requiring

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 a single number just so that we don't make it, we don't end up requiring a large project

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 size 'cause we know that has an impact, larger impact on neighborhoods and that sort of thing.

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 - Of course.

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 With this tool, would we have the ability to require accepting housing choice vouchers

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 within the market rate units?

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 - Within the market rate units, I don't believe that we have that written but we do have it

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 currently written in that in the affordable units we are requiring housing choice vouchers

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 to be accepted.

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 Did I misremember that?

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 - Yeah, well, yeah, excuse me, it'll end up applying across the board to the development

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 so we will, we'll make that, that's our goal to provide a couple and the same with a couple

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 of other tools that we're implementing where housing choice vouchers would have to be accepted

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 since the state restricts us from doing that in policy generally.

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 - Okay, yeah, I just, I don't know what our limitations are but I've read some research

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 that suggests that when acceptance of HCVs is limited, it can essentially fill people

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 in income restricted units which already had an approved HCV that they could have gotten

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 the funding from somewhere else and so I just want to make sure we're maximizing our opportunity

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 to use that HCV funding which is coming from a different bucket essentially.

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 Does that make sense?

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 - Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense in exactly where we're headed so with every tool where

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 we have the ability to negotiate and it's not set policy, so again, state law prohibits

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 us from source of income protection except for veterans so we have that currently in

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 our NDO ordinance that they have to accept it for veterans but this will allow us through

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 agreement process to require that in all development that accepts incentives from the city so that's

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 the plus of doing an incentive based program and we've already done that with our PFC,

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 our public facility corporation organization so we'll extend that to everywhere where we're

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 using any tool within our system.

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 - Okay, thank you and just a couple of comments, great job.

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 I would hope that we would revisit these percentages, maybe I don't know what the right frequency

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 is just to make sure that it's getting us where we need to and bump them up if necessary.

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 I would also say that it seems like a fairly tiptoeing in as far as the types of things

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 we're offering, I would be prepared to say look, we are five, 10 years behind, let's

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 do something big, let's say if you're gonna build in whatever the number is, 35% affordability,

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 you no longer need an SUP to do multifamily NSC zoning so thank you.

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 - Commissioner Villarreal.

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 - Thank you Chair and thank you for the presentation, just a quick question, I know in the presentation

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 you discussed monitoring them over the course of the period of affordability, could you

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 describe, I don't know if y'all have decided this yet, what the potential penalties would

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 be if they violated that during that 20, 30, 40 year period?

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 - That hasn't been decided on firmly yet but we can speak a little bit to other things,

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 I know TDHCA has a penalty that's 25 dollars per unit of the entire development as a fee,

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 we might try experimenting with that and see do we think that has enough teeth for us,

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 do we think it has too many teeth for us, we'd probably start looking at other examples

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 and go from there, yeah.

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 - Have you had any discussion yet prior to this with the development community?

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 - Yes, yeah we have of course, we've certainly had these discussions with affordable developers

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 that we do have relationships with already but we also presented this at the developer

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 town hall a couple weeks ago, appreciate the invitation to that, so yes and we expect those

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 conversations to continue.

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 - What has feedback been?

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 - Parking incentive is incredibly desired, do you have anything to add to that?

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 - That's fair, that's the one they feel like makes the most bang.

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 - Yes but we do hear that these others could work in specific development situations as

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 well.

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 - And Leah, you're also making this information available during the pre-application conferences

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 on residential developments also to let folks know that we were gonna be proposing this,

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 correct?

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 - We are doing that on residential pre-application since it's got scheduled, yes.

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 - And then what is the plan for July and August public engagement, what are you doing?

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 - We'll be continuing to get out in the community, we'll go to the different nonprofits and things

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 like that, we'll schedule out meetings with further developers which you've already had

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 a few of and then we'll probably take some guidance from planning as well and we know

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 that they have a lot of success with public engagement so we'll take a few notes from

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 their book as well.

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 - And then we're seeing this again?

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 - Yes, so should you give us the direction we will bring this back for public hearing

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 and I believe the date that we said, I'll scroll back to the end so I don't get the

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 wrong one, it was August 14th, I remember that now.

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 So yeah, the earliest date that we could come back for a public hearing would be August

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 14th.

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 - It'd be August 14th for our recommendation.

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 - Correct.

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 - Given that this is a new topic, we wanted to be able to do a work session discussion

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 first to be able to introduce it to you to see if you had any questions, concerns, comments,

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 and especially if there were any comments that we needed to incorporate in the proposed

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 draft ordinance before we brought it back in a formal public hearing.

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 - Okay.

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 I mean, I'd almost like to see it again before that, after the public engagement 'cause I

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 feel like seeing it just now for the first time where we're all kind of like, okay, we

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 think it looks good but maybe we need to tweak these numbers and then you're gonna have some

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 public engagement and then we're gonna see it again August 14th and you're gonna want

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 a recommendation and we're gonna say, well, you know, I mean, is there a way to sneak

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 in another one of these?

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 I don't know if that would work with the timeline but I feel like we'd be better prepared to

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 know what we're actually recommending on the 14th than going from today to whatever your

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 public engagement is gonna be and then we're gonna see it on the 14th and I don't know

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 where we're gonna be then, I guess is what I'm saying.

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 - Yeah.

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 Yeah, you got it.

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 - We're open to that feedback.

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 We've been a bit on a delay so the conversation about being behind in units, we're behind

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 in getting this in front of you and so we really do have the goal to get this moving

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 as quickly as possible now because we've been waiting a long time to get in front of you

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 to talk about this so we'd hope to do it as fast as possible but we'll take your feedback

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 and I hear that you wanna hear what the development community is saying as well for that consideration

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 so if that's your direction, we will certainly push for that.

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 - Yeah, I'm just thinking maybe our meeting before that, I don't know exactly what our

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 calendar looks like, I don't have it in front of me.

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 - We do not have another planning with the exception of next week and our agenda's pretty

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 full on that.

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 Our next meeting would be August 14th for the Planning and Zoning Commission so if the

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 commission was wanting to see this again.

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 - Hello, Angie.

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 - I think Angie's got something to add so I'll defer to her, I think she's looked at

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 the calendar.

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 - I think Angie has something to say, I'm sorry.

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 - Sometimes when Tina ignores me, I act like a cat.

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 Angie Manglis, Development Review Manager, just in looking with the calendar briefly

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 with Haley and hearing some of the discussion and kind of ran it by Leah briefly, I think

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 one option could be to look to hold a town hall similar to what we did with short-term

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 rentals hopefully between now and maybe the 14th so that item could be discussed again

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 and workshopped again and then we could possibly look at moving that public hearing back to

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 the 28th.

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 It does look like there could be some flexibility in the schedule to work with some of the dates

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 in August but to possibly allow for something similar to, and we obviously just talked about

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 it right now so I would work out with them what that would look like but that could be

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 an option that we look at doing.

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 - I don't know how the rest of the commission feels but I think it would be nice to see

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 again and it looks like we've got a month in between when we would hear it August 14th

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 and when it would go to City Council on the 17th of September that maybe we could play

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 with those dates even.

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 Hello Scott.

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 - Hi, Scott McDonald, Director of Development Services.

471
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,240
 I might offer off a suggestion from Haley whether we can get in front of the Dallas

472
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,800
 Builders Association which we likely could do so I'll make that contact then additionally

473
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,160
 we're going to put together another group similar to one that was formed a while back

474
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,080
 so we're going to have several developers, several local engineers, several local or

475
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,360
 a couple architects, couple of home builders, couple commercial builders and we're going

476
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,320
 to have a group that we're just going to kind of work through all of our issues with so

477
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,480
 we get more feedback.

478
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,520
 We have town halls, we don't get the feedback that really we want so in light of really

479
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,680
 some of this conversation, what we're doing in conjunction with that and you know that

480
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,240
 potential for a town hall we can probably solicit some good feedback through that group

481
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,240
 that is forthcoming.

482
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,240
 - Yeah, that's great.

483
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,240
 Okay.

484
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,240
 Commissioner Crick.

485
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,360
 - Yeah, I mean if there's an opportunity to share it again and get some feedback I think

486
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,360
 that's fine.

487
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:20,040
 I know you have to take the temperature of council and see what their desire is but I'd

488
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:26,560
 be interested to know how much of a benefit they would see being able to build multifamily

489
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,520
 in SC would be in the SC zoning district.

490
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:38,240
 Just because I'm not a real estate lawyer put me at ease that we're going to be able

491
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,640
 to make sure there's something in the closing packet for buyers of properties that says

492
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040
 this has this restriction and you know this.

493
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,080
 - Yes, our team is already working with Hillary and Scott and our awesome legal team on that,

494
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,080
 yes.

495
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,600
 - Thank you.

496
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640
 - Anything else?

497
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,640
 Thank you.

498
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,640
 - Thank you.

499
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,640
 - Thank you.

500
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,680
 - Okay, that will conclude our work session so I'll go ahead and adjourn us at 5.35 p.m.

501
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,320
 and we will reconvene for our regular meeting at 6.30 in council chambers.

502
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:13,520
 Thank you.

503
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,600
 - Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting

504
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,280
 for Wednesday, July 17th, 2024.

505
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,520
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.30 p.m.

506
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,320
 I'll let the record show that Commissioner Thaggart is absent from today's meeting.

507
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:40,000
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags.

508
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,120
 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

509
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:54,160
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

510
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000
 - Honor the Texas flag.

511
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:06,320
 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one, and indivisible.

512
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,880
 - Thank you.

513
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,160
 We've just got a few public hearings on our agenda tonight.

514
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,240
 The first one is 2A CA240002.

515
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:21,120
 I will invite Julie up for presentation and open the public hearing.

516
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,120
 Hello, Julie.

517
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,120
 - Hello.

518
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,120
 Good evening.

519
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,120
 All right.

520
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520
 We are, I'm Julie Wyatt.

521
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:39,200
 I am principal planner with the City of Denton and we are delighted to present the Southeast

522
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,520
 Denton area plan to you this evening.

523
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:49,320
 I have the project team with us so, well, one is virtual.

524
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,480
 So Mitchell Silver, he worked on the plan with us.

525
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
 He's done a lot of our public engagement.

526
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,320
 He unfortunately couldn't be here tonight, so he is zooming in.

527
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,440
 So I'm hoping I do this correctly and I don't hang up on him, but he'll be speaking with

528
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,960
 you in just a few minutes.

529
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:11,680
 I also have Shy Ruse here who also worked on the plan with us, Mia Hines who worked

530
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:21,080
 on the plan and she's been my fearless, she's keeping me in line.

531
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:28,160
 So this has, the Southeast Denton area plan is a consolidation of what we have heard from

532
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,720
 the community over the last year.

533
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:37,240
 We've been in the community since March of 2023 and so, and so this really is a culmination

534
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,280
 of that effort.

535
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,800
 Tonight we're going to give a brief project overview and present some highlights of the

536
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,800
 plan.

537
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,560
 I know we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but we did go over all the implementation

538
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,660
 steps with the steering committee and that was a three and a half hour meeting.

539
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:56,640
 We're not going to do that to you tonight, but we do want to make sure that we hit the

540
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,840
 highlights of the plan and answer any questions that you and the community may have regarding

541
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,840
 it.

542
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:10,680
 Your role tonight is to receive the presentation and take action with hopefully a recommendation

543
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,560
 of approval to go on to city council next Tuesday.

544
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,280
 The plan was endorsed by the steering committee and it really shouldn't be a lot of new information

545
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,280
 for you tonight.

546
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:30,180
 It really is just the plan in total is what we're looking at tonight.

547
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:34,360
 Before I turn it over to Mitchell, I have a couple of things I just want to talk about.

548
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:40,760
 In April of 2022, council directed staff to begin an area plan for Southeast Denton.

549
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,640
 There were several reasons for that.

550
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,040
 First, to acknowledge that generational trauma that resulted from the forced displacement

551
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,640
 of Quaker Town, as well as subsequent city actions.

552
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:59,320
 Residents concerns about displacement due to development within Southeast Denton.

553
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:06,320
 We wanted to identify areas that the community cherishes and wants to preserve, but also

554
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,680
 identify areas that they may be open to change or want to see change.

555
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:19,600
 Then finally, areas or places for public investment and improvements, things like parks, transportation.

556
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,180
 That's really what the purpose of the plan was.

557
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:32,240
 It began with a conceptual study area of 600 acres with McKinney to the north, Woodrow

558
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:39,160
 to the east, Shady Oaks, Teasley and Dallas Drive to the south, and then Bell Avenue to

559
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,600
 the west.

560
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,440
 We talked with the community, found out what they thought about that boundary and how they

561
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,960
 felt about it, and added a little more area.

562
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,720
 We expanded that boundary a little bit to include a transition.

563
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:58,040
 An additional 375 acres to that 600 acres.

564
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:04,480
 That's because we want to make sure any development near Southeast Denton, that it's addressed

565
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,320
 sensitively both in use and scale.

566
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,320
 We know that what happens on one side of the street can affect the other side of the street,

567
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,200
 and we want to make sure we take that in consideration.

568
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,240
 With that, if all goes well with technology, I'm going to turn it over to Mitchell Silver,

569
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,720
 if he can hear me.

570
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,720
 I can hear you.

571
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:24,720
 All right.

572
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,000
 I'm going to forward the slides for you.

573
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
 Hi, Mitchell.

574
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
 All right.

575
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,000
 Thank you, Julie.

576
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,520
 Well, first, thank you for setting up the purpose of this planning effort.

577
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,440
 I just want to say what a privilege it's been to work with both the planning staff and the

578
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,600
 residents and stakeholders in the Southeast Denton area, but want to share with you the

579
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,600
 community engagement.

580
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:49,640
 Here are just some images, but it's so critical that we actually reach as many people as possible.

581
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,680
 This was a very, very thorough engagement process, and some of those conversations were

582
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,680
 uncomfortable if you read into the purpose of the plan.

583
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,840
 We held stakeholder meetings and steering committee meetings.

584
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,200
 We held very specific listening sessions to unpack some of the past harm that occurred

585
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,640
 in Denton.

586
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,160
 Because we felt we needed to hear more voices, we did intercept surveys, which is basically

587
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,080
 going out to the community to capture some of those comments.

588
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:22,040
 We had a visioning workshop and preference surveys and an implementation workshop to

589
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,480
 make sure all departments are on board with the action items.

590
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,840
 Next slide, please.

591
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,720
 We just wanted to share with you what we've heard.

592
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,480
 We did share this information before.

593
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,600
 Julie captured it quite well, but the residents really want to improve communication between

594
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,680
 the city and the community.

595
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,240
 They really wanted to maintain some of these cherished assets as they see Southeast Denton

596
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,240
 changing.

597
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:50,600
 The history was so important, and also want to remember the lessons of Quaker Town, concerned

598
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:57,340
 about long-term affordability, about infrastructure, but really, really start this process of beginning

599
00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:00,280
 the healing process for this community.

600
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,000
 What we heard really drove into the community goals, and as you can see, we came up with

601
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,760
 six goals that really guided the strategies and actions going forward.

602
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,340
 Next slide, please.

603
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:15,760
 What we really enjoyed, and this was really put together by the steering committee, is

604
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,200
 a vision for Southeast Denton.

605
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,640
 And I have to say it's quite moving that our vision really is for Southeast Denton to be

606
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,840
 a harmonious future that ensures diverse, resilient, and inclusive community for generations

607
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,840
 to come.

608
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,680
 And they really wanted to cultivate trust with the city, to cherish and preserve the

609
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:39,000
 rich black history and culture, discourages gentrification, ensures shared prosperity,

610
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,400
 and elevates the overall quality of life through strategic investments.

611
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,400
 Next slide.

612
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,040
 So, I'll share some of the plan highlights of some of those both goals and recommendations.

613
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,640
 Next slide.

614
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:57,240
 In terms of the goal of building trust within the community and with the city as a whole,

615
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:03,080
 strategy really 1.1 is to develop and implement an anti-displacement action plan specific

616
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,520
 to Southeast Denton.

617
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,960
 And there's a series of action items and recommendations, but really to fund and support eviction prevention

618
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:16,640
 program, pre-approved ADA designs, and ensure equitable appraisals, and actually help people

619
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,040
 appeal some of those appraisals that those that live there won't be forced out.

620
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,040
 1.2 is to develop a communication strategy specific to Southeast Denton.

621
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,040
 People want to stay in the know, and so there are action items about how we can develop

622
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,040
 that communication strategy.

623
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,920
 And then recruit more participants in the Denton 360 program for Southeast Denton.

624
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,520
 We want to make sure people are engaged, educated, and knowledgeable about all the resources

625
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,240
 and programs in the city.

626
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,600
 Next slide.

627
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,120
 In terms of goal number two of honoring the culture and heritage of Southeast Denton,

628
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:57,440
 we all recognize it's changing, but it's important that we both use historic preservation

629
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,760
 tools and incentives to recognize the built environment and the families who created it.

630
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,160
 Those sacred places and spaces and stories need to be acknowledged and recognized, so

631
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,760
 there are strategies to do just that.

632
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,200
 And then strategy 2.2 to develop and implement a Southeast Denton history and cultural rules

633
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:22,360
 program by creating this cultural district to acknowledge Southeast Denton's places and

634
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,320
 families who created it and used that cultural district to honor past residents and all cultures

635
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,080
 who call Southeast Denton home.

636
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,000
 So that includes both Black and Hispanic residents.

637
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,860
 So those are the two slides I'm going to share, and now I'll turn it over to Shai to talk

638
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:45,500
 about the other highlights and strategies.

639
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:47,720
 Thank you, Mitchell.

640
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:53,360
 So I'm going to go ahead and talk about strategy 4.2.

641
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,980
 So this goal 4 is strengthen neighborhoods and housing affordability.

642
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:08,640
 I'm trying to see, yes, you all can see this map is the existing land use map, future land

643
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,880
 use map in your Denton 2040 plan.

644
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:17,740
 And then on the other side is the proposed Southeast Denton land use map.

645
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:23,320
 So the main reason for creating this is to address some of the community concerns about

646
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:30,160
 the downtown style development coming into the community.

647
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:39,400
 And you can see that bright and the existing bright reddish color is the downtown land use.

648
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:47,120
 What we've done on this side is where it joins the community, we're asking it to be changed

649
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,680
 to neighborhood mixed use.

650
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:57,000
 That's a little closer and a good transition into the residential area, which was also

651
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:03,760
 something the community told us was which areas they wanted to be stable and preserve,

652
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,680
 which could do with some change.

653
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:15,480
 So inside the community wanted to keep their residential, it's single family, they've got

654
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,420
 duplexes, they've even got fourplexes, but it's literally, it looks like a nice single

655
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:24,020
 family neighborhood, so they wanted to keep that.

656
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:31,080
 So that's a transition between, and you'll notice on, we've marked the main changes in

657
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,920
 dotted blue line.

658
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:39,980
 So the institutional change today, we're putting community mixed use on there.

659
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:46,840
 And one of the reasons is the county, in case in the future, when they look at their facilities

660
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,900
 plan, if they feel like they might want to redevelop, then this will give them the chance

661
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:56,160
 to look at, oh, okay, how can we redevelop?

662
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,960
 But only if they want to, of course, it's their property.

663
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:05,400
 But we wanted to give them some direction if they changed their mind.

664
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:12,960
 And then in the south, it always was community mixed use, and we just, on the other side

665
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,520
 of the road, as you can see here, it is community mixed use.

666
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:22,380
 So we just talked about how a roadway has its own character.

667
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:27,440
 And so both sides would probably benefit from having similar uses.

668
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,400
 So that's why this happened.

669
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,360
 So that's the land use.

670
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:40,680
 And then the next strategy is to establish overlay districts to protect the existing

671
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,040
 neighborhood scale and character.

672
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:51,200
 Again, there's four overlay districts that we're recommending in this plan, and the main

673
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:58,440
 reason, again, is the community's desire to keep the community affordable, to not have

674
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,520
 displacement.

675
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:09,040
 And so as you can see, the first is in that yellow area is the residential overlay.

676
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:15,720
 And the main purpose of that residential overlay is to ensure the scale.

677
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:22,540
 So right now, it's two stories, kind of keep that scale of two stories, keep that scale

678
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:31,380
 of residential, small residential footprints, so that even when developers come, they would

679
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:35,720
 have to build to that if there was an overlay on there.

680
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,480
 And then there's the height overlay, where we talked about next to the downtown land

681
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:48,400
 use, we recommended a height overlay that's in blue, and that's a transition.

682
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,140
 Currently, the downtown area allows maybe six stories.

683
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:58,040
 This residential may allow two or three stories.

684
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,360
 So how do you connect that?

685
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:07,720
 So that's a height overlay in that neighborhood mixed use area that can help transition.

686
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:14,040
 The third's an interesting, that pink area we see around Y, Robertson and Prairie.

687
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,760
 That's a live work overlay, and that comes out of the community's desire.

688
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:26,240
 So a lot of people very fondly remember the days when they had barbershops and neighborhood

689
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:34,040
 type small businesses that people could hang out in that area.

690
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,060
 But now that area is also, so this was the challenge, right?

691
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:42,440
 The area has a very well established single family neighborhood right there.

692
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:51,280
 So one of the ways we can do this is through the live work overlay, where people can have,

693
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:58,440
 the structures would have to resemble, be compatible with the residential overlay structures,

694
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,640
 but they could have a business in one part of the house while they live in the other.

695
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,680
 So that's a requirement.

696
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,680
 Hopefully, if you're living in that same house, you're not putting businesses that are disruptive

697
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,880
 to living in the area.

698
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:24,440
 So that was the idea of the live work, is people could get their neighborhood type uses,

699
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,500
 get that street environment, but at the same time not disrupt residential.

700
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:36,680
 And then the fourth is the commercial overlay, you can see in the south where we have community

701
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,640
 mix use as the future land use, but there's a lot of industrial right now there.

702
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:51,120
 So if that starts changing, the commercial overlay will help emphasize that compatibility

703
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,760
 with the neighborhood and the uses around it to kind of bring it down in intensity a

704
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,360
 little, but keep an eye on how it is doing it.

705
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,840
 So those are the four main overlays.

706
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,440
 So between the future land use recommendation and the overlays, the whole purpose is to

707
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,160
 make sure the area develops the way the community wants to see it.

708
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:23,200
 And then there's the goal six was about creating safe and connected multimodal travel system.

709
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:31,200
 6.1 is improve street network to prioritize connectivity and multimodal connections.

710
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:38,760
 So the main purpose of this strategy is enhance street connections.

711
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,920
 Under this goal, we have many strategies and this is one, which is enhance the street connections.

712
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:52,440
 Currently, as you can see, there aren't many connections to Woodrow or south to Shady Oaks

713
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,240
 from this neighborhood.

714
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,480
 So that's one of the recommendations.

715
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,880
 The other is to make these orange dots that you all see are intersections.

716
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:09,000
 And these were literally marked out by the people in the visioning workshop, people who

717
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:16,320
 have had issues biking or walking in this area.

718
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:23,120
 That was the main thing that came out is the roadways were intimidating for bikers and

719
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:31,840
 for pedestrians and they wanted safe intersections and safe streets for biking and pedestrians.

720
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:40,400
 So you can see some of the drawings here, we can create these kind of intersection designs

721
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,080
 that slow down, have protected bike lanes.

722
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:52,000
 Those are some of the recommendations, but one interesting is if you look at this where

723
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,200
 my browser is in the south, there is homes right now, so we didn't show any connection

724
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,160
 streets there, but there is a recommendation that if there is over five acre development

725
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:12,280
 coming in, then they have to look at creating public street connections in that area.

726
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,320
 So hopefully that will take care of it.

727
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,920
 If that area were to get redeveloped, it would get redeveloped the way people want it, but

728
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:29,600
 also with this added recommendation, we would get new connections through the new development.

729
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:36,200
 So with that, I will pass on to Julie.

730
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:43,680
 Okay, so just to wrap this up, the next steps.

731
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,240
 So we have a public hearing tonight.

732
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:53,480
 Of course, we're looking for a favorable recommendation to go to city council next week.

733
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,140
 If that's the case, it would go to city council next week for adoption.

734
00:51:58,140 --> 00:52:04,320
 If approved, this would amend our comprehensive plan, especially those future land use elements

735
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:11,000
 and those goals and strategies associated with it, and that concludes the presentation.

736
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,600
 I will be happy to answer any questions, and Shai and Mitchell will be happy to answer

737
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,280
 any questions as well.

738
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,280
 Thank you.

739
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,280
 Thank you all.

740
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,000
 At the moment, I don't see any questions for you all, but stand by.

741
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
 All right, thank you.

742
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
 This is a public hearing.

743
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,880
 I do have a couple of cards in front of me at the moment.

744
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:37,080
 The first one I have is Donald McDade, are you wishing to speak?

745
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,920
 You'll state your name.

746
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:40,920
 Your time will begin.

747
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:41,920
 Hi.

748
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,920
 Good afternoon, Commission.

749
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:43,920
 My name is Donald McDade.

750
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,680
 I live at 926 East Prairie, and I wasn't really watching the screen, but I'm curious if you

751
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,620
 actually showed the type of homes that the committee had approved for that area.

752
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:59,680
 Did y'all actually show that?

753
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,240
 So the neighborhood can see?

754
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,240
 It's in the plan.

755
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:08,080
 Is that a plan that they can see, or what plan?

756
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,640
 I'll find out if there is a slide that we can pull up for that.

757
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,640
 Okay.

758
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,480
 But I'm actually here in support of the plan, but with a caveat.

759
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:28,440
 The caveat is I'm here to support the plan as it's presented July 17th, 2024.

760
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,660
 I know we're looking at the 2040 plan that's 16 years away.

761
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:39,120
 A lot of the neighborhood is skeptical because of homeowners like myself who are 60 and 70

762
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,120
 and 80 plus.

763
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,440
 You're looking at 16 years, and that's one thing that the city has that we don't, and

764
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,440
 that's all the time in the world.

765
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:57,000
 Our biggest concern is, and I'll use me as an example, they talk about not forcing people

766
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,720
 out, that there's a lot of ways to force people out.

767
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,000
 I built my home in 2008.

768
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,300
 It only cost me $108,000.

769
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:13,400
 Here it is, 2024, my home is worth over $300,000.

770
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,400
 That's a lot.

771
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:20,640
 My taxes have pretty much tripled, and I think that's what everybody's issue is, and I haven't

772
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,760
 added one new brick to my home, but yet my value has tripled.

773
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,680
 So God forbid, I'm no longer here in the next few years.

774
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,360
 My children are going to have to suffer that burden because they're not old enough to get

775
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,360
 a home exemption.

776
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,880
 They're not going to be able to pay all those taxes, and what's the next best thing?

777
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,640
 Just go ahead and sell it and get out from under.

778
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,320
 That's my biggest concern.

779
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:58,360
 I was also skeptical about this plan, I don't see this plan going through in the next 16

780
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,360
 years.

781
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:05,880
 I mean, I hate to say it, but as I sat on the board and I heard other communities come

782
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,320
 and say what they presented to us, it's not what we got.

783
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:20,160
 I can actually see that happening here because for years, we wanted a lot of changes in Southeast

784
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,560
 Denton, and we never got it.

785
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,880
 But when they came to do the beautification and all the road, we were the first one that

786
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,760
 they came to, and I've already told them, when you want to sell something, you don't

787
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,640
 leave it as is, you beautify it so when they come, they have something to look at.

788
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,640
 So this is going to be the new downtown, they came, they beautified the area, now they can

789
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,220
 go back and they can sell it.

790
00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:55,800
 That was my biggest concern, and I'm pretty sure that's a concern of everybody here because

791
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:02,040
 the last 50 years, I remember when the roads weren't even paved, and I'm only 60 years

792
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,040
 old.

793
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,040
 That's 1964.

794
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:11,080
 Now, they're coming in and they're putting in new drainage, new streets.

795
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,080
 That's not for us.

796
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,080
 That's what's coming down the road.

797
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,100
 I wish it was for us, but we all know it's not.

798
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:27,160
 So they're trying to sell it, it may already be sold, we just don't know.

799
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:40,560
 As I say, my biggest concern is, and I've said it all along, is I've always wanted to

800
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:47,000
 just say, hey, come in, say what you mean, mean what you say, the last 100 years, you

801
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,980
 talk about distrust, I don't really see that changing, I tell people all the time, I do

802
00:56:53,980 --> 00:57:03,880
 believe that the contracts here are written in pencil and in visible ink.

803
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:10,040
 Because I hear so many people say, that is not what we ask for, but we were presented

804
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,540
 something different, and I just don't see that changing.

805
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:19,720
 The first few years, 100 years, nobody lives in the southeast, and I really don't see that

806
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,720
 changing.

807
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,720
 Thank you.

808
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:28,480
 Yeah, Julie, I don't know if you had that slide in there or not.

809
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:56,840
 I'm going to pull up a copy of the plan, if that...

810
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:12,120
 It's thinking.

811
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:28,960
 Oh, great.

812
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:58,720
 I'm going to pull up a copy of the plan, if that's what you're saying.

813
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:26,200
 I'm going to pull up a copy of the plan, if that's what you're saying.

814
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:41,400
 I'm sorry, my computer is a little slow, it's bringing it up, but I had a suggestion in

815
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:55,800
 your recommendation, you can ask us to add a page of those pictures right after the overlay.

816
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,200
 It's a good strategy where we recommend the overlay or the action step that talks about

817
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:11,320
 the overlay, we can add a full page of pictures that the community chose.

818
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:24,980
 I have no idea how to connect it to this, because my computer won't allow it.

819
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:30,800
 If we can make it work, there we go, there you go, perfect.

820
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,800
 Perfect.

821
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:40,600
 These are the type of housing that the community had chosen.

822
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:46,640
 As you can see, these are the pictures the community was shown and they chose.

823
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:56,860
 We have the books that have the blue and the yellow dots, and so we can add the photos

824
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:02,040
 in this report that the blue dot is the one the community likes.

825
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:08,600
 So each of the house that they like, we can put it in here with the action step does say

826
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:16,040
 that they would write the overlay regulations to make those kind of houses happen.

827
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,720
 Thank you for answering that question, appreciate it.

828
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,320
 Should I remove this?

829
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,080
 You can leave it there for now while we're talking about it, if you'd like.

830
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,640
 That will remind us to add that little amendment.

831
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,520
 Okay, I do have another card here.

832
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:37,440
 It's Willie Sellers.

833
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:48,440
 Hi, if you'll give us your name, your time will begin.

834
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,440
 Hello.

835
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,440
 Hello.

836
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,440
 Yeah, Willie Sellers, 930 Sky Drive, Denton.

837
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:01,640
 Hey, I share some of the same concerns that Mr. McDay has, talking about the steering

838
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:07,160
 committee that you set up, or Ms. Julie set up.

839
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,720
 Who was on the steering committee?

840
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,360
 Was it just nothing but city employees and those type of people?

841
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:21,460
 Because I look up, I pull this up, and it says the agencies, it has acronyms.

842
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:28,720
 And then all of the acronyms within this brochure right here are people that work for the city.

843
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:36,520
 And there are no people on those steering committees or, and it says external partners,

844
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,440
 appraisal district, one of the same things he was talking about.

845
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,760
 The appraisal district can appraise you out of your home, you know, because they continue

846
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,640
 to raise the value.

847
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,960
 I noticed some of these bullets on here, and I noticed that you had NRSA, and I said that's

848
01:02:53,960 --> 01:03:01,740
 the neighborhood revising strategies, strategy area.

849
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:13,920
 On this, I looked in here, and on action 4.2, it says coordinated with the facility, facility

850
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:22,560
 planning efforts to ensure land use is designed to use county property and compatible with

851
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,780
 surrounding neighborhood.

852
01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:27,120
 So does the county own property within southeast Denton?

853
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,120
 I know it's 972 acres.

854
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,040
 That's a question that I have for you also, so you can answer that.

855
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:45,880
 And it was also in action 6.2, it says improve safety and install ADA compliance, pedestrian,

856
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,400
 I guess crosswalk, et cetera, for bail and bikini and stuff like that.

857
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:59,700
 So when I look at the structure that you had there for bike trails, et cetera, et cetera,

858
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:06,360
 and he mentioned that the people are going to be 80, 60, 70 years old.

859
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:12,360
 Those people are not going to be able to use those type of investments that you want to

860
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,240
 implement in southeast Denton.

861
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:20,160
 But the only thing that I can see southeast Denton is it's probably a microcosm of what

862
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,000
 happened in Quaker Town.

863
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,160
 And don't get me wrong, I'm not in opposition of improvement.

864
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,280
 But the improvements have to have a value added for the remaining people that are going

865
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,200
 to be there that can't go anywhere else.

866
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:39,880
 Because as he stated, the property is going up, up, and up.

867
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:46,320
 And say if you sell your house for whatever his value was, and that value, you go try

868
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:51,760
 to purchase that same home somewhere else, that home is going to cost more.

869
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,400
 You're not going to be able to purchase a home of the same square footage, et cetera.

870
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,720
 And these models up here, they're okay.

871
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,960
 They're tiny homes.

872
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:10,960
 Another thing about southeast Denton, I see southeast Denton being targeted as a habitat

873
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,720
 humanity area, and I talked to Ms. Hines about that.

874
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:22,080
 And I shared with her the only thing that I think that southeast Denton is, is that

875
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,280
 it's the cheapest land in Denton currently.

876
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:32,640
 So therefore, you can target at that for southeast Denton for habitat humanity homes.

877
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,800
 I don't know why you wouldn't take it out by 288, out there by Collins Stadium, nice

878
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,000
 area, plenty of land, but you targeted southeast Denton.

879
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:50,440
 Another thing that I noticed, the downtown area is going to be the Mecca for Denton.

880
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:51,440
 It's moving this way.

881
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,780
 You can't go north, T.W. owns all that.

882
01:05:54,780 --> 01:06:00,160
 You can't go west because you got the historical district and you have UNT that owns everything

883
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,160
 behind.

884
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,560
 So you got to come get us.

885
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,960
 You got to come.

886
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:04,960
 No problem.

887
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:05,960
 No problem.

888
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,000
 So what I'm saying is that you're going to create an additional problem because whenever

889
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:21,600
 you put concrete down, water would take the path of least resistance, which is going to

890
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,320
 be, it's going to run real fast.

891
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,440
 So until you do all the drainage, and I noticed you got the drainage in here.

892
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:34,480
 You got drainage installed in here, but you're going to have to take some things from people

893
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:43,280
 to make drainage, Mr. Matalock's house, the corridor behind, Clara's Kitchen, Mount Pilgrim.

894
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,520
 Those things are going to have to go away.

895
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,840
 I know you are, I see you already identified some areas that are, that are sacred, Carl

896
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,960
 Jean Park, the cemetery, Martin Luther King Center, et cetera.

897
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:06,000
 But what are the targeted areas, what are the targeted areas that you are going to assume

898
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,280
 or consume for your project with this?

899
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,880
 Because you know, everybody knows where they are, but you're not sharing it with us.

900
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,760
 So we can start making plans to do what we have to do.

901
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,000
 Okay, Mr. Matalock, your time is up, so I'll let you just wrap up here and we'll get some

902
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
 of your questions answered.

903
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
 Oh, I didn't hear, I didn't hear.

904
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,720
 Yeah, the bell didn't go off.

905
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,080
 The timer went off a couple of times, but I'm not sure what happened to the bell.

906
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,560
 So that's why, if you wanted to wrap up real quick.

907
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,560
 Okay, yeah.

908
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,720
 Well, the thing that, you know, you said the steering committees and you know, this, the

909
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:44,240
 only way that I heard about this meeting and heard about any meetings going forward was

910
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:51,160
 I passed by the bridge down here on Robertson Street where you got Ms. Minners and Ms. Carl

911
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:59,000
 Pitcher hung up, it was a little teeny-wee side there, and I QR-coded, my son, he QR-coded

912
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,000
 too.

913
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,000
 He and I started hashing.

914
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
 What is this?

915
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,000
 First I heard of it.

916
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:10,720
 So would you give us some insights, I mean, bring the people up to date, because you talked

917
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:16,680
 to a few people and those people are not a representation of the entire Southeast Indian

918
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:17,680
 area.

919
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:18,680
 I'm done.

920
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,680
 Thank you, Mr. Sellers.

921
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:25,840
 Julie, I'll have you come up here for just a minute, because I want to get a couple of

922
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,200
 things kind of straightened out.

923
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,480
 First of all, there's a steering committee.

924
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:39,720
 It is in the plan under acknowledgments of who all of those people were.

925
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,360
 There was tremendous community engagement for a very long time, and I think you said

926
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:52,800
 at the beginning of your presentation, so yeah, if you want to maybe, what page is that?

927
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,720
 Yeah, page three.

928
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:55,720
 Page three.

929
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,720
 Yeah.

930
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:57,720
 Yeah.

931
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,480
 If we could have the screen back on the...

932
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:07,840
 Oh yeah, we can get the eye in the sky gone and do the other.

933
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,840
 Thank you, Julie.

934
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:09,840
 There we go.

935
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,840
 It's a little small.

936
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,840
 Yeah, there it is.

937
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,040
 So it's a little hard to read, but yeah.

938
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:23,120
 So the steering committee is listed, and certainly there have been much engagement there.

939
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:30,040
 So I think I want to back and just try to clarify what it is that we're discussing.

940
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,600
 So we're discussing a small area plan for Southeast Indian.

941
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:45,360
 So it's not anything that is planned out with specifics of certain development that is happening

942
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,480
 right now, but what this is is a guiding document.

943
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:55,520
 That's what this is, and it's really very well done, very thought out, and it is there

944
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:02,560
 to protect, to preserve, and to grow the area the right way through the engagement that

945
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,800
 has been done.

946
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:12,320
 That's what this is, is a guiding document for development and preservation as we go

947
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,320
 forward.

948
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,400
 So to answer the other questions, is there county property?

949
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,400
 And the answer is yes.

950
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:20,400
 Yes.

951
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:39,600
 Let me get back to the presentation that might get to the future land use map.

952
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:45,220
 This property here, there at the intersection of Woodrow and McKinney, there's a large county

953
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:51,960
 facility there with courts and the Juvenile Justice Center and the Adult Justice Center,

954
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,960
 I believe.

955
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,840
 So they have a lot of facilities there.

956
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,280
 They have a lot of open land too.

957
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,600
 Right now, we're not aware of the county moving facilities.

958
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:09,760
 The intent of the future land use map was to imagine, this is probably better.

959
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,700
 Right now, our current future land use map shows that just as a county facility.

960
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:21,040
 We wanted to imagine if in 30 years the county decided to move their operations off to the

961
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,000
 loop or somewhere else, what kind of uses would go there?

962
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:35,480
 And so that really was the intent of that new symbology on this proposed Southeast Denton

963
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:39,880
 future land use map and to show that right now it's a government facility, but in the

964
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,360
 future it could be a shopping district or additional housing.

965
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,800
 So a lot of opportunities there potentially in the future.

966
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,520
 So it's this large area right here.

967
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,000
 That's what Shy had pointed out when she was presenting.

968
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:02,200
 And so again, like in the guiding document that we're talking about here, so it's county

969
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:09,740
 owned now, it's theirs, but if for some reason it's not, it's in the guiding document now

970
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:12,760
 what does the neighborhood want it to be?

971
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,040
 What should it be if it gets developed down the road, if the county decides that they

972
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,040
 don't want it?

973
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,600
 We've got something here in place that can guide the future development.

974
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,960
 Should that be something that comes back to the city that can be developed?

975
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,760
 Did I explain that properly?

976
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:29,760
 Yeah.

977
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:30,760
 Okay.

978
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:39,040
 I do have, I'm sorry Tina, did you have something to add to that?

979
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,200
 If you would like to, yeah, go right ahead.

980
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,000
 So in order to address some of the other comments were made, I want to offer some clarification.

981
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:54,720
 So as Julie pointed out, one of the reasons why city council directed us to do this project

982
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:01,840
 is that we realize that the city as an organization's relationship with the residents of Southeast

983
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,860
 Denton in the past has been very challenged, right?

984
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:10,520
 When you think about the events of 100 years ago when the city itself as an organization

985
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:16,640
 forced the relocation of the prominent African-American community in Quaker town to Southeast Denton,

986
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,640
 we know that those stories have been passed down generation upon generation as if those

987
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,300
 events just happened here recently.

988
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:28,560
 So the city made the commitment that yes, we need to do this community plan and hear

989
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:33,360
 from the community as to what people who live within the community today, what they want

990
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,320
 for themselves as they continue to reside in the community, as well as persons who may

991
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,080
 want to move into Southeast Denton.

992
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,600
 The comments with respect to regarding the infrastructure being made, that the infrastructure

993
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,680
 is being made for future residents, we the city have a responsibility to maintain our

994
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,040
 infrastructure for all residents within the community, regardless of where you reside

995
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,620
 within the community.

996
01:13:54,620 --> 01:13:58,360
 We have been behind on delivering on our infrastructure projects.

997
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,860
 Our capital projects team has been working very diligently to get all of our projects

998
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:07,340
 from our past bond programs that residents like yourself have supported so that we can

999
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:09,640
 get those improvements done.

1000
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,740
 One of the things you'll find in the document and we learned this about the community is

1001
01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:18,120
 many times people think of Southeast Denton as being an area of our community where we

1002
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:23,920
 have many elderly people that are living and that we're not doing things for them.

1003
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,520
 When we look at the demographics of the Southeast Denton community, what we learned is 64% of

1004
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,080
 the residents who live in the Southeast Denton area are under the age of 40.

1005
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,580
 The Southeast Denton community is also a very young community.

1006
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:41,000
 So when we're making infrastructure improvements and we're talking about what the community

1007
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:47,180
 wants for itself longer term, we're also hearing from people that are in the younger age categories

1008
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:51,120
 that are wanting to continue to live in Southeast Denton and wanting to have nice things being

1009
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,720
 built for them within their community.

1010
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,520
 So that's another reason why we do the infrastructure improvements.

1011
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:02,000
 That's another reason why we talk to the community and find out, you know, where -- what kind

1012
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,000
 of improvements do you want to be made that we, the city, have the ability to influence

1013
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,760
 and be able to deliver.

1014
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,960
 Julie shared the slide that showed, you know, intersections where people need to have the

1015
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,680
 opportunity to have safer connections there.

1016
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,960
 You know, we tried to make sure that we put infrastructure in place that is safe for all

1017
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,560
 users regardless of what your age is.

1018
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,380
 Whether you're 8 years old or 80 years old, we want to ensure that we deliver safe infrastructure

1019
01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:32,460
 and we do those infrastructure -- or that we do those intersection improvements.

1020
01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:36,440
 We know that we have missing sidewalks within the Southeast Denton community.

1021
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:41,200
 We heard from the community a need to complete the sidewalks and provide those safer connections

1022
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,880
 for people who reside within the community.

1023
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,280
 That's why we have recommendations related to that and with the infrastructure.

1024
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:53,960
 The -- you know, so I know, you know, the comment was made that there's concerns regarding

1025
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,000
 this plan as invisible ink.

1026
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,840
 And so to help educate you all, you know, one of the reasons why we do these plans is

1027
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:07,120
 so that these plans get adopted and they provide the action items for us to begin working on.

1028
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,800
 We have to work with the community first to understand what the community wants in terms

1029
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:16,360
 of their vision for their community, their descendants, for their friends who may want

1030
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,280
 to move within to the neighborhood and be part of the community.

1031
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,120
 But we have to figure out what that community's vision is for the next 15 to 20 years.

1032
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,200
 And then we figure out what are the goals that we're trying to aspire to achieve.

1033
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,400
 And then we put action items in place.

1034
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,000
 So that's why this plan document, if you've had an opportunity to look at the hard copies

1035
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,520
 that are being passed around, have a series of action items that are within it.

1036
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,460
 The acronyms that are included within there that was spoken to.

1037
01:16:42,460 --> 01:16:47,320
 So one of the things that this plan does, it focuses on what actions that we as a public

1038
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:52,560
 agency can take and to be able to help influence the delivering on those action items.

1039
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,960
 We've also identified partners because we realize there are some other agencies out

1040
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:02,180
 there that maybe can achieve the action item much better than what we, the city, can.

1041
01:17:02,180 --> 01:17:05,820
 So how can we leverage those partnerships to be able to have the successful entities

1042
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:08,180
 being able to deliver what they do best?

1043
01:17:08,180 --> 01:17:13,720
 So that's why when you see those acronyms in there, it's to be able to help identify

1044
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:17,760
 where those partners are because we know we, the city, cannot do it all.

1045
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,960
 The concern regarding property values.

1046
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,600
 We know that that's a concern of the residents.

1047
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:28,880
 One of the action items, and I think Mitchell had spoken to it, was with respect to working

1048
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,440
 with the central appraisal district to ensure that equitable property assessments are being

1049
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:34,440
 done.

1050
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:38,240
 Because we've heard from the community that my property values continue to increase, but

1051
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,840
 yet I've done nothing to my home.

1052
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,480
 I haven't moved one brick on my home.

1053
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:47,160
 I haven't made one improvement on the interior, but my property values continue to increase.

1054
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,440
 That's the situation all throughout Denton.

1055
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:53,560
 People are not able to make improvements to their home, yet their property values still

1056
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:54,680
 increase.

1057
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,960
 So one of the things that we want to work with the central appraisal district is that

1058
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,600
 when they are assessing properties, that they are actually putting eyes on the property,

1059
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,920
 but also being able to help educate the residents in getting you connected with programs to

1060
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:14,600
 be able to address and learn how you can appeal that appraisal of your property.

1061
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:19,520
 And so we looked at this from a holistic approach on what strategies that we can put in place

1062
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,560
 to be able to help the community.

1063
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,200
 I know comments were made regarding future development happening within southeast Denton.

1064
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:31,280
 One of the challenges, an opportunity and a threat within southeast Denton is the vacant

1065
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,000
 land that is there.

1066
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,520
 We know that property owners today may choose to sell their property and that is their decision.

1067
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:43,840
 Texas is a very property right state, so as residents within our community, you have the

1068
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,160
 ultimate say as to what you choose to do with your property, whether you choose to keep

1069
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,280
 it or you choose to sell it.

1070
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,840
 But one of the things we've heard from residents through all of the engagement that we've done

1071
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,840
 and all of the comments that we have received from residents within the southeast Denton

1072
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:02,760
 is people are very interested in staying in their homes and protecting the character of

1073
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,040
 their single family residential neighborhoods.

1074
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:10,640
 So the actions that we've put forth in this plan are designed towards what can we do in

1075
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,680
 actions that we can take to preserve the existing character of the neighborhood.

1076
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,720
 If the neighborhood is desiring all two story homes that are built of a certain architectural

1077
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:23,400
 style that's comparable to the architectural styles that exist within their neighborhoods,

1078
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,860
 then us, the city, being able to work with the neighborhood to put design requirements

1079
01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:32,400
 in place so that whether you tear down your home and build a new home or you sell your

1080
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,720
 property to somebody else who decides to build a new home or you own a vacant lot and you

1081
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,400
 sell it to somebody who decides to build a new home, that that new home is built where

1082
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,320
 it fits in with the existing neighborhood fabric that's there and the existing neighborhood

1083
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,620
 character that's there today.

1084
01:19:47,620 --> 01:19:53,000
 So when we talk about this plan is based upon what we've heard from the community and all

1085
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,680
 of our engagement efforts, it truly is and we're happy to visit with anybody and entertain

1086
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:04,160
 any more questions about it, but I know tonight's presentation is a high level summary of all

1087
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,760
 of the work that's been done.

1088
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,440
 I can assure you, Mitchell addressed all the public engagement events that we've done.

1089
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:15,080
 Our team has gone to Martin Luther King Center.

1090
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,560
 We've been to the American Legion.

1091
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:21,160
 We've done listening surveys where we've invited people within the community to come

1092
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,320
 and listen so that we can come and hear what you have to say.

1093
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,860
 We've utilized the steering committee who are representatives within Southeast Denton

1094
01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:31,200
 to be able to help get the word out.

1095
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,920
 We've done traditional workshops.

1096
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:40,680
 We've also gone to restaurants and I told Julie and Mia and Shai, they've gone to restaurants

1097
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:45,920
 where people frequent in the Southeast Denton community and asking them in the 100 degree

1098
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,120
 heat, can we ask you a few questions?

1099
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,080
 We'd like to share some information with you to be able to get that feedback.

1100
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,280
 We've truly tried to go to the community, but also building relationships with the community.

1101
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,840
 We've provided updates with the Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association.

1102
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,620
 If you're involved with that, I know Ms. Collette leads those meetings monthly and has been

1103
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:10,760
 gracious with the Neighborhood Association's time in allowing us to be able to have the

1104
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:16,040
 opportunity to present to the neighborhood and update them on where we are on the project.

1105
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:20,300
 For those of you that are hearing about this for the first time, my apologies.

1106
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:24,080
 Would love to educate you more on what we've done and what we would like to do moving forward

1107
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,600
 with the community, but know that we've done an extensive amount of public engagement in

1108
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,360
 order to be able to ask the community what is it that you want for your neighborhood

1109
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:37,440
 for the next 15 to 20 years so that we can put a plan in place and have that ink in the

1110
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:42,600
 adopted plan so that it's not invisible, but to provide us that path for moving forward

1111
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:47,480
 as we implement the action items that we've heard from the community that they want.

1112
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:50,880
 Thank you, Tina.

1113
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,000
 I've got another card here to speak.

1114
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,680
 Charles Lee.

1115
01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:00,200
 Good evening, if you'll give us your name and your time will begin.

1116
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:05,680
 Yes, my name is Charles Patrick Lee, and I just want to say this is really not going

1117
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:12,280
 to address the issue at all because the problem here, this is happening all over the country.

1118
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,480
 The problem is that's one of the reasons I'm not from here.

1119
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:21,440
 I'm from New Jersey, but it's happening all over the country because what it is, it's

1120
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:26,360
 really the federal government's problem because they're not balancing a budget and they keep

1121
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:31,400
 printing endless money, and that's why you have this gentleman over here is talking about

1122
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:36,580
 he bought a house for $100,000 and now it costs $300,000 because that's how much the

1123
01:22:36,580 --> 01:22:42,260
 dollar has fallen in value, and it's going to keep falling in value until somebody in

1124
01:22:42,260 --> 01:22:45,140
 Washington starts balancing a budget.

1125
01:22:45,140 --> 01:22:49,620
 You guys stop spending all this money because all you're doing is spending more money and

1126
01:22:49,620 --> 01:22:54,500
 people have to get more and more taxed, and it's just going to drive down property values.

1127
01:22:54,500 --> 01:23:00,400
 I mean, it's just going to keep property values going up until nobody can pay it, and that's

1128
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,720
 what's going down because that's why I moved to Texas because I couldn't afford New Jersey

1129
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:05,720
 anymore.

1130
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:13,240
 The house my father brought maybe back in 1977 for maybe $85,000, it's going up over

1131
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,520
 a million dollars now in New Jersey.

1132
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,840
 So I got displaced, that's why I came to Texas because everything's more affordable.

1133
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,360
 And he's talking about a $300,000 house, I could barely afford that, and it's just going

1134
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:30,120
 to keep going, and you talk about this plan, this plan's not going to do anything.

1135
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,160
 The price is just going to keep going, going on up because the country's bankrupt because

1136
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,520
 nobody in Washington or anybody wants to live between their means and everybody's just spending

1137
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,480
 money recklessly and nobody wants to balance the budget, the budget hasn't been balanced

1138
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:50,440
 in Washington, I don't know since what, decades.

1139
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:56,360
 It's just more inflation on top of inflation, on top of inflation that's going to raise

1140
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:03,880
 the prices of everything up until everybody's bankrupt, and that's all I got to say.

1141
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,080
 I don't have any more cards in front of me, but this is a public hearing.

1142
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:11,240
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

1143
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,240
 This is Mitchell.

1144
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,240
 I'm sorry.

1145
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,080
 Hi Mitchell.

1146
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,000
 I first want to just thank Tina for her remarks.

1147
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,080
 Just want to add that I do this work all over the country, and I want to thank personally

1148
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,040
 the City of Denton for having the courage to do this work.

1149
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:32,480
 There's no question that as we listen to the community for over a year, and as I stated

1150
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:37,440
 these were some very uncomfortable conversations, those in the hearing room should know that

1151
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,920
 we listened and we listened carefully.

1152
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,320
 It wasn't just about addressing past harm, it was also about preventing future harm,

1153
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,480
 and so this plan does that.

1154
01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:53,860
 It gives the policies and the actions to acknowledge what happened in the past, but also have policies

1155
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:57,040
 that really give protection and a path forward.

1156
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:02,000
 So again, just to put things in context, most cities around the country don't do this, and

1157
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,600
 so I just want to commend the City of Denton.

1158
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:10,040
 And the residents should understand that this is really important work being done, and very

1159
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,880
 proud that the stakeholders committee and the steering committee involved also endorsed

1160
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:19,280
 this plan because they were very intimate, very engaged with every aspect of this planning

1161
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:25,240
 process and ensured that we listened to the voices who came to meetings, but also all

1162
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,620
 the various intercepts to make sure as many voices were heard to help shape the future

1163
01:25:29,620 --> 01:25:32,040
 of Southeast Denton.

1164
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,040
 Thank you, Mitchell.

1165
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,040
 Appreciate that.

1166
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,040
 Madam, did you want to come up and speak?

1167
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,040
 I'll just ask you a question.

1168
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,040
 Oh, come on up.

1169
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,040
 I'll call you up next.

1170
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:43,040
 Yeah, come on up.

1171
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,040
 My name is Karen Thomas.

1172
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,040
 Can you speak in microphone?

1173
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,040
 My name is Karen Thomas, 1212 McDonnell Drive.

1174
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,040
 I have a question about how much land Southeast Denton is losing in all of this?

1175
01:25:47,040 --> 01:26:08,080
 There are some hash dotted lines going around and some, I would assume those are proposed

1176
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:17,720
 changes to draw the solid black line in.

1177
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:23,960
 I want to know when the city stopped working on all of these sidewalks that haven't been

1178
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:29,740
 completed, and where do all the Southeast Denton residents eat?

1179
01:26:29,740 --> 01:26:39,040
 I'm also wondering about this new complex that seems to be going up when you're driving

1180
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:46,280
 down Duncan and you're going on to Lakey all the way down the street.

1181
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:47,920
 It used to be a church.

1182
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:54,000
 Now it's going to be some complex.

1183
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,040
 Then how much is the rent on those apartments going to be?

1184
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,040
 I don't know.

1185
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,040
 That's it.

1186
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,040
 That's it.

1187
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,040
 Thank you.

1188
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,040
 Julie, I'll bring you up.

1189
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:11,520
 Just the first question, Thomas had, land we're losing, so there's no land being lost.

1190
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:17,800
 This is, again, a plan where an area has been drawn to consider it Southeast Denton, so

1191
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,080
 I'll have you elaborate on that if you could, please.

1192
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,080
 Correct.

1193
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,720
 We started out this planning process with a conceptual boundary, and that's that McKinney

1194
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:31,560
 to Woodrow, Shady Oaks, Dallas Drive, and then Bell.

1195
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:36,520
 We talked to the community about what the community thinks of when they think of Southeast

1196
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,360
 Denton and where is that?

1197
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:44,520
 It was an iterative process that we started with the visioning, so we actually had community

1198
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:52,040
 members just really draw, and then we took those maps and we amalgamated them to create

1199
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:57,960
 some conceptual maps about what the other community members would think is Southeast

1200
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:03,760
 Denton, and then we went back to the community with those maps and had the community vote.

1201
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:13,560
 Really that's how we ended at this core boundary of that 600 acres within the transition area,

1202
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:20,640
 which is the Hatchmark, and really that transition area is intended to ensure that any development

1203
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,640
 would be sensitive to the needs and the goals and the vision of Southeast Denton, so it

1204
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:30,600
 doesn't pull anything out of Southeast Denton, it really is expanding that area kind of influence

1205
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,120
 of Southeast Denton.

1206
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,480
 Thank you.

1207
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:39,000
 I don't know anything about the Duncan and Lakey thing, and if you don't, maybe you can

1208
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,720
 just get with her off.

1209
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:47,880
 I believe that is that rail yard multifamily project that's being constructed along Sycamore.

1210
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:53,480
 Okay, and maybe if she wants specifics, you all can exchange information that way.

1211
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:54,480
 Thank you, Julie.

1212
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,160
 Ma'am, you wanted to come down and speak?

1213
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:02,600
 Hi, if you'll give us your name, your time will begin.

1214
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:03,600
 Elle Autry.

1215
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:09,440
 I pay rent at 1008 Scott in Southeast Denton.

1216
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:16,740
 So in the mail out that I got, it says Southeast Denton area plan, I have a question.

1217
01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:25,560
 Can future city councils then opt to have then make their own plan or disregard that

1218
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:30,900
 which y'all have worked on in so much as time and effort has went into?

1219
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:35,120
 So that's my forward thinking, and could anyone speak to that?

1220
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,520
 Possibly the ladies who were on earlier.

1221
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:38,520
 Thank you.

1222
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:39,520
 Thank you.

1223
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:44,300
 Yeah, I'll have Julie or Tina speak on that, but basically if this plan gets adopted by

1224
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:51,560
 city council, I mean it will become part of our development code.

1225
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,440
 This will be part of that document.

1226
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,980
 So no, it cannot be changed, but I'll let you elaborate.

1227
01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:02,480
 So and maybe a little bit of planning education here also.

1228
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:06,320
 So I know some had spoken to the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan.

1229
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:13,840
 So that's the city's plan that we've adopted that helps guide the city with future decisions

1230
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,160
 related to how land is used within the community, infrastructure investments, and also where

1231
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:25,520
 we invest in our public facilities, where we lay out the type of housing that's desired

1232
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,600
 within the community, address transportation issues, things of greater needs.

1233
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,600
 But think of it as a 30,000 level plan.

1234
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,280
 When we do this area plan like the Southeast Denton plan, that allows us to be more boots

1235
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:41,440
 on the ground, study the area in much greater detail to put that plan in place, to have

1236
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:45,480
 refined recommendations based upon the community's feedback that we've heard.

1237
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:50,440
 Because again, this plan reflects all of the feedback that we've received from the community.

1238
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:52,480
 Can this plan be amended in the future?

1239
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,880
 Yes, technically it can be.

1240
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,960
 If we are to amend this plan, we would go through a similar public engagement process

1241
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,400
 so that we could engage the community and hear from the community what's working well,

1242
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:09,080
 what needs to be changed, and be able to communicate that to council.

1243
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:15,680
 If we were to receive a request from a property owner or developer to rezone property within

1244
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:20,320
 the boundaries of the Southeast Denton plan, we would look to the plan and see what does

1245
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,280
 the plan recommend for the property.

1246
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,800
 Is what's being requested and proposed by the property owner, the developer, consistent

1247
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,080
 with that plan?

1248
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,800
 If it is, then we're going to tell the Planning and Zoning Commission and subsequent city

1249
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:36,240
 council that this request to develop this property is consistent with the plan.

1250
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,000
 Or if it's not, we tell them it's not consistent with the plan.

1251
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,760
 Staff's recommendations for future development activities that may occur in Southeast Denton

1252
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:48,320
 are going to be based on the Southeast Denton area plan.

1253
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,880
 Because again, we've done this finer review and engagement with the community to understand

1254
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,960
 what the community wants, where it is truly a community-based plan.

1255
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,680
 But it's, you know, technically can that plan be changed?

1256
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,260
 Yes, but it has to go through a similar process of like what we're doing tonight where we're

1257
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:08,740
 engaging the community, we're doing public notification, and then we are explaining why

1258
01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:11,400
 it's appropriate to make these changes or not.

1259
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,680
 Thank you, Tina.

1260
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,700
 Commissioner Pridger, I know you've been in the queue for a minute.

1261
01:32:15,700 --> 01:32:18,160
 Did you want to talk before the public hearing?

1262
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,160
 Yes.

1263
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,400
 So hearing from the members of the public about the steering committee in particular,

1264
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,120
 could staff give just a little insight on how the committee was developed?

1265
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:29,680
 Sure.

1266
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,440
 Absolutely.

1267
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:36,880
 So we asked the Planning and Zoning Commission members, we asked City Council, we talked

1268
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:41,200
 to community members, and those names were nominated.

1269
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:46,280
 And then we talked to those, looked for those community leaders as well as getting those

1270
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:52,480
 recommendations from P&Z and City Council for those positions in the steering committee.

1271
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:57,480
 And I guess if we could add to that, maybe Julie, if you could put up that list of members

1272
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:03,600
 and then be able to help people within the audience understand the categories that they're

1273
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,000
 represented, why we worked with selecting those individuals and ultimately that they

1274
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,320
 were appointed by City Council.

1275
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:10,320
 Sure.

1276
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,320
 Yes.

1277
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:17,920
 So at the outset, we looked at different categories that we wanted, that we felt were appropriate

1278
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,120
 for the steering committee, that we are looking for people to fill.

1279
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:27,640
 Things like resident under 40 years of age, to get that younger feedback, faith leader,

1280
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,720
 property owner, business owner, housing advocate.

1281
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,920
 Housing was something that was important, so we wanted somebody who was involved in

1282
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,320
 housing, LULAC member.

1283
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:44,620
 We had, because of the well-loved parks within Southeast Denton, we wanted to have a parks

1284
01:33:44,620 --> 01:33:47,820
 board member, and that was Francis.

1285
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:49,760
 And then we just looked at some residents.

1286
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,020
 So we had also just a couple of residents.

1287
01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:58,920
 So tried to have a broad slate of categories to really represent different stakeholder

1288
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:08,380
 groups within Southeast Denton and to provide that validation to make sure, give us feedback

1289
01:34:08,380 --> 01:34:10,360
 on any parts of the plan.

1290
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:15,760
 So the steering committee met four times during the year.

1291
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:22,520
 That first time, they heard what we heard or what the project team heard at those listening

1292
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,520
 sessions.

1293
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,800
 And those were those really hard conversations that Mitchell was talking about.

1294
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:31,960
 And in fact, the city wasn't even in the first set of listening sessions because we wanted

1295
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:39,880
 the community members to be as frank and open and honest with the project team as possible.

1296
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:44,820
 So the steering committee validated what we heard.

1297
01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:47,440
 They said, "This is what we've heard from the community."

1298
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:51,280
 They said, "Yes, that's right," or "No, that's not right."

1299
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:55,160
 And then we went back to them after the visioning and said, "Okay, this is what we've heard

1300
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,200
 in terms of the vision statement and the goals.

1301
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,200
 Is that accurate?

1302
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:00,800
 Is that what you're hearing?"

1303
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:05,400
 We talked to the steering committee about the existing conditions, made sure that we

1304
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:09,080
 were on the right track and that we were capturing the right data.

1305
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:14,900
 And then ultimately we talked to them about the strategies and those implementation tasks.

1306
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:23,040
 So throughout it, we really touched them several times during the year to make sure that we

1307
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:29,440
 were approaching it in a way that they thought was appropriate and was consistent with the

1308
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:36,200
 goals of the residents of Southeastern.

1309
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,560
 So just for clarity, when it says resident under the age of 40 or property owner, it's

1310
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,280
 specific to a resident or property owner within Southeast Denton?

1311
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:44,280
 Yes.

1312
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:45,280
 Yes.

1313
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,280
 Okay.

1314
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:47,280
 That's what that person is.

1315
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,280
 Yes.

1316
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,280
 Yeah.

1317
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:50,280
 Okay.

1318
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,280
 Thank you.

1319
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,280
 Thank you.

1320
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:53,280
 Thanks, Julie.

1321
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,280
 This is a public hearing.

1322
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,280
 I don't have any other cards.

1323
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:56,280
 Is there anyone else here wishing to speak who has not already?

1324
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,280
 Yeah.

1325
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,280
 Come on down.

1326
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:09,880
 Hi, if you'll give us your name, your time will begin.

1327
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:10,880
 Hello.

1328
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:11,880
 How y'all doing?

1329
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,360
 My name is Steven Richard, resident 1106 Moore Street.

1330
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,920
 I guess my biggest question is just the communications and the transparency about this, because I'm

1331
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:23,120
 one of those individuals who just recently found out about this as well, been a member

1332
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:28,840
 of Southeast Denton, a resident of Southeast Denton for 20 something years now, right?

1333
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,120
 And no, I'm not always the most engaged in what's going on with my community, but still

1334
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:38,000
 feel like I have a pretty decent finger on the pulse to kind of get what's going on.

1335
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,960
 I guess the concern with me is that it was stated that there were restaurants, we were

1336
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,160
 at restaurants, we really don't have any restaurants in Southeast Denton.

1337
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:47,360
 I mean, so I don't know what restaurants we were at or when these meetings were taking

1338
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,360
 place.

1339
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:49,360
 I'm sorry?

1340
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,360
 Clarice.

1341
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,840
 Clarice, okay.

1342
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,040
 And then I guess, and from that right there, I guess the communication that went out, that

1343
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:01,800
 was cascaded to everybody in the community to let them know, "Hey, we're having a meeting

1344
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,640
 at Clarice about engaged in or discussed in regarding your neighborhood, regarding what's

1345
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:11,120
 going to happen or the future developments of our neighborhood."

1346
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,560
 Communications like that, I mean, I'm pretty avid, stick to my mail, you know, bills come

1347
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:15,560
 in.

1348
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,920
 Really didn't see anything like that in the mail, like I said, like my father said.

1349
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:22,760
 We saw that sign right there on Robertson Street in Bell and it was like, "Wow, what's

1350
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:23,760
 going on?

1351
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:24,760
 This is a small little sign."

1352
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:29,120
 I feel like if you want to have a really good communication and get a full scope of everybody

1353
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,440
 in the community, go to the churches.

1354
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:36,480
 Nobody went to the churches, nobody was at a barber shop, nobody went to a beauty shop,

1355
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:41,840
 nobody went to any of those places that really have a solid finger and a solid pulse of our

1356
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,160
 neighborhood where we go and talk.

1357
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:45,160
 Anybody knows that.

1358
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,900
 You want to go, you want to get some information out, go to the church.

1359
01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:49,900
 It didn't happen.

1360
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:53,800
 I mean, I wasn't really, I wasn't in town for the Juneteenth celebrations, but I don't

1361
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:57,440
 know if anybody was down at Juneteenth celebrations.

1362
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:02,280
 Those are the things that I'm saying, like I don't, yeah, I know a few of those individuals

1363
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:07,500
 up there, but all those individuals don't represent the greater, the greater Southeast

1364
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:08,500
 end.

1365
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:11,000
 There's still a lot of people that aren't represented or there's still a lot of demographics

1366
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,360
 that aren't represented on that from those group of people.

1367
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:18,880
 And if those meetings were occurring, it would just be nice to know when those are occurring.

1368
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,360
 So then we can all participate because this is important.

1369
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,960
 Like some of these individuals, like Mr. Magda, like he said, he's, he's in his sixties and

1370
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,840
 this plan is going to go over for the next, you know, 10, 15 years.

1371
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,840
 He might, he might not, he might not be able to be here for that, for those things, or

1372
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,800
 he might not be able to be vocal for that, but somebody like myself or the younger generations,

1373
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:41,400
 we can, but it's hard to be a participant of those things if we're not aware of them.

1374
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:42,400
 And that's just my thing.

1375
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,920
 If we can just get transparency and get a little bit better communication, open communication

1376
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:51,640
 with this, I think that would be fantastic.

1377
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:52,640
 Thank you.

1378
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:57,800
 And I will let staff speak to that because I believe they were much more engaged than

1379
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:02,680
 you have any idea and I'm going to let them tell them so you can understand it.

1380
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,280
 And I'm sorry that I'm thrilled you're here.

1381
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:09,120
 I'm sorry that it is just today that you've heard about this, but I'm going to let them

1382
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:14,300
 speak to all the places that they've been and, and, and this is not something that, that,

1383
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:15,960
 that was just this steering committee.

1384
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:21,520
 It's the steering committee that had to be formed so that this plan could be done.

1385
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:25,040
 But prior to that, there was tremendous amount of community engagement.

1386
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:30,720
 And I will let Tina and, and, and Julie let you know what that was.

1387
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:31,720
 Thank you.

1388
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:32,720
 Thank you.

1389
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:33,720
 Yes.

1390
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:41,840
 I'm so glad that we've got community members here tonight and I'm hoping as we're continuing

1391
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:47,360
 on this planning journey together that they'll come out and see us more.

1392
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:52,480
 We, we did send out postcards for our community meetings.

1393
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:59,040
 We put flyers in our, in our rec centers and in businesses, beauty shops and, and, and

1394
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:06,720
 barber shops within, within Southeast Denton in locations, restaurants.

1395
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:14,400
 So we, what, daycare center, we, we tried to get as, as much information out.

1396
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,600
 Of course, we, we could always do better.

1397
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:22,320
 One of our strategies in the plan is to develop a communication strategy for Southeast Denton.

1398
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,320
 So it's great information.

1399
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:31,040
 We can continue to improve as we're, as we continue to work with the Southeast Denton

1400
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:32,040
 community.

1401
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:37,760
 We, we have tried to be at every event that has been held in Southeast Denton in the last

1402
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:44,720
 year and that is includes both the 2023 and 2024 Juneteenth national night out last fall.

1403
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:52,280
 We, we set up, we do tabling at MLK when parents are coming to pick up kids and in the evenings

1404
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:59,040
 when people are coming out, we've done tabling at the American Legion hall.

1405
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:04,800
 So we've tried to, we, LULAC meetings, SEDNA meetings, tried to, tried to reach as many

1406
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,680
 people as possible, put out signs.

1407
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:12,040
 And so, you know, of course we'll, we'll continue to work with the community to make sure that

1408
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,000
 we, we reach all residents, of course.

1409
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,000
 Yeah.

1410
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,720
 Well, and I was going to say, and I would add to that, there's been articles that have

1411
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,840
 been published in the Denton Record Chronicle.

1412
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,360
 We've maintained a website with Discuss Denton because we realize a lot of people within the

1413
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,140
 community follow Discuss Denton.

1414
01:41:26,140 --> 01:41:30,340
 So anything of, just, you know, FII, anything of significance that the city is working on

1415
01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:34,740
 is, is typically posted on Discuss Denton, if you follow that.

1416
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:38,120
 One of the things that was interesting that we heard from the community is less of the

1417
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:39,800
 electronic communication, right?

1418
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:43,980
 They preferred more the old school methods of, of all the activities that Julie just

1419
01:41:43,980 --> 01:41:46,880
 described where we were physically hosting events.

1420
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:52,040
 We were being out in the community and being part of, you know, Parks and Recreation was

1421
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,280
 hosting the Juneteenth Festival, then we were out there.

1422
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:58,560
 So because we knew that was an opportunity for us to be able to interact with the community.

1423
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:03,920
 But so it was, you know, as we worked through this project and we heard and received feedback

1424
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,880
 throughout, we tried to adapt accordingly.

1425
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:11,760
 And again, I'll make note, Julie and Mia were at Sedna meetings on a regular basis.

1426
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,980
 Ms. Collette was very polite to allow for my team to be able to make presentations and

1427
01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:17,760
 provide updates.

1428
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,240
 I think the running joke became, "Julie, Mia, go home," right, because just because

1429
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,080
 they were, they were in the community so much.

1430
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:28,960
 So, you know, my apologies if some of you did not learn of this project as we've been

1431
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:30,560
 working on this.

1432
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,880
 We also, we did go to the churches.

1433
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,840
 One of the members that is on this steering committee, Reverend Logan, I know is very involved

1434
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:42,180
 within the black churches within Southeast Denton and trying to be able to get the word

1435
01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:43,280
 out with the community.

1436
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:47,840
 So we tried to leverage all those relationships that we had in the community, even when former

1437
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,280
 Commissioner McDade was on the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1438
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:55,360
 And I know once he was no longer on the commission, he continued to stay involved, you know, being

1439
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,640
 able to rely upon persons like himself in order to be able to help get the word out

1440
01:42:58,640 --> 01:42:59,640
 amongst the community.

1441
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:03,520
 So we tried to leverage all aspects that we could.

1442
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,880
 As Julie pointed out, you know, are there additional things we could have done?

1443
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:07,880
 Probably so.

1444
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:12,060
 But we tried to be able to get as much information out to the community in a variety of different

1445
01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:15,680
 ways for people to learn that this project was going on.

1446
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,280
 Thank you.

1447
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,600
 I do have another card to speak.

1448
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,800
 It is Collette Johnson.

1449
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:30,360
 Hello, Collette Johnson, 327 Roost Street.

1450
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:37,880
 I am president of the Senate group and I'm just here to back Julie because they did put

1451
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,960
 the information out every single month.

1452
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:48,840
 They were at the meetings for a whole year and so those that attended the meetings knew

1453
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,480
 what was going on.

1454
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:55,600
 You guys have, y'all were at the National Night Out, like you said.

1455
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:59,040
 You've been to the American Legion Hall.

1456
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:06,240
 You were at Juneteenth and some people just don't get involved in stuff like that to know

1457
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,840
 about what's going on until it's too late.

1458
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:16,080
 But I'm just here to say that Julie has been at the meeting every month.

1459
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:17,920
 This information was out.

1460
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,640
 They did go to the churches.

1461
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:26,000
 Now, they may have not gone to every church, but they did come out to the churches and

1462
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:30,900
 they've been at the American Legion Hall and a lot of people say that Clara's is not

1463
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:33,640
 a restaurant, but they were at Clara's.

1464
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,200
 So the information was brought out.

1465
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:42,720
 I'm sorry if everybody didn't know about it, but we have those meetings every month and

1466
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,000
 I have invited people to those meetings every month.

1467
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:52,360
 So those that have been at the meetings knew about it and I just want to apologize for

1468
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:54,400
 those that didn't know about it.

1469
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,560
 I'm sorry, but we tried everything to get people involved.

1470
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:59,560
 So.

1471
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:00,560
 Thank you.

1472
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:01,560
 The neighborhood meetings.

1473
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:02,560
 Every month.

1474
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:03,560
 What do you have?

1475
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:04,560
 Four meetings.

1476
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:05,560
 Six o'clock in the okay.

1477
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:06,560
 Anybody's invited?

1478
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:07,560
 Anybody's invited?

1479
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:08,560
 Ms. Collette.

1480
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:21,440
 Could you restate when you do your Sedna meetings in the microphone?

1481
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:27,320
 Every fourth Monday we meet every fourth Monday at six o'clock at the MLK Center.

1482
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:34,740
 We do not meet in November, December because of the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays.

1483
01:45:34,740 --> 01:45:38,760
 So we meet every fourth Monday, six o'clock.

1484
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:39,760
 Thank you, Ms. Collette.

1485
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:40,760
 Okay.

1486
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,720
 We can't have a dialogue this way, but you can talk to Ms. Collette after.

1487
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:44,720
 Yeah.

1488
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:45,720
 Thank you.

1489
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:46,720
 I just wanted to in support of Julie.

1490
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:47,720
 Yeah.

1491
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:48,720
 I appreciate that.

1492
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:49,720
 Thank you so much.

1493
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,540
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but if you would like to speak, if you have

1494
01:45:53,540 --> 01:45:56,440
 not already, please come on down.

1495
01:45:56,440 --> 01:45:58,960
 Okay.

1496
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,400
 Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the public hearing.

1497
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:06,280
 I'm going to go ahead and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1498
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:08,280
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1499
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:09,280
 Thank you, Chair.

1500
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:14,240
 I very much understand why there's apprehension regarding this.

1501
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,920
 Commissioner McDade, you know, I've, you know, voted against the Woodrow apartment complex

1502
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:22,240
 not once, not twice, but three times with you, and I was one of the only people to vote

1503
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,480
 with you against the rail yard complex.

1504
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:30,840
 But this plan is going to hopefully prevent developments that are going against the wishes

1505
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,400
 of the neighborhood.

1506
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,800
 This is a plan that will benefit the community greatly.

1507
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:36,800
 And I very much apologize.

1508
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,760
 We weren't able to get to everyone.

1509
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:45,000
 I do think this was, we were able to get a large swath, the community's viewpoints answered

1510
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,820
 and heard.

1511
01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:48,760
 And with that in mind, I'm going to move approval.

1512
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:49,760
 Thank you.

1513
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,120
 Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal.

1514
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,880
 May I add just a little friendly amendment to that?

1515
01:46:54,880 --> 01:47:00,240
 Would you consider adding what we talked about earlier with shy and adding the housing type

1516
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,000
 pictures into the plan?

1517
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,000
 Absolutely.

1518
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,000
 Apologies for forgetting that.

1519
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,000
 Yeah.

1520
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,000
 Thank you.

1521
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,000
 Commissioner Cole.

1522
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,000
 I second.

1523
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,000
 Okay.

1524
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,000
 We've got a first and a second discussion.

1525
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:11,000
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1526
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,000
 Thank you, Chair.

1527
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,260
 Question for staff, I guess.

1528
01:47:18,260 --> 01:47:26,640
 I'm looking at the, all of the action items and the near term says one to two years.

1529
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:32,440
 I'm really excited about this, but there are 27 items there to be done in the next two

1530
01:47:32,440 --> 01:47:33,440
 years.

1531
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:40,600
 Do we realistically have the capacity with the current staff to go execute on that?

1532
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,160
 Because what I'm hearing from the community is we've poured our hearts into this plan

1533
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:53,080
 for the last year and we are nervous because in the past we have seen things get forgotten.

1534
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,600
 I've been here on this commission for three years, as long as council doesn't kick me

1535
01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,080
 off, I'll be here probably for three more.

1536
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:04,840
 If we really want to get those 27 actions done in the next two years, I'm going to hold

1537
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:06,520
 to it.

1538
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:12,160
 If we don't have the capacity, I want our recommendation to be clear to council that

1539
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:17,480
 this is what this is going to take to get it through that process in a timely manner.

1540
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:18,480
 Does that make sense?

1541
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:21,680
 I don't know, Tina, if anybody else can speak to that.

1542
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:27,240
 Sure thing, so you're right, the plan is aggressive with 27 action items identified within the

1543
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,540
 next one to two years.

1544
01:48:29,540 --> 01:48:31,120
 We will do our best.

1545
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:35,360
 I would love to say that, yes, we will get them all done within the one to two year time

1546
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:40,820
 frame, but I realize that that may not also be realistic.

1547
01:48:40,820 --> 01:48:43,240
 Some of them may require funding.

1548
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:48,120
 We tried to identify action items, especially those in the near term, that would be items

1549
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,480
 that we could hit the ground running.

1550
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:54,900
 Our focus following adoption of this plan is to work on the implementation because we

1551
01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:59,120
 realize this plan is only as good as the implementation efforts.

1552
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:05,600
 We've been fortunate that the city has allowed us to add some staff to our team over the

1553
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:13,200
 years in order to be able to better prepare us for being able to move forward with implementation.

1554
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:18,680
 I can't 100% commit that we will get everything accomplished within the next two years, but

1555
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:23,360
 we will do our very best to make sure that we get the action items underway so that we

1556
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,880
 can show that we are implementing the plan because, again, this plan is only as good

1557
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:31,760
 as us being able to implement it, also being able to work with our partner agencies in

1558
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,560
 convincing them to be able to work with us.

1559
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:38,880
 We actually reached out to all of the partner agencies that we've identified in the plan,

1560
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:43,640
 met with them, shared with them the action items to see, okay, are these doable?

1561
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:45,280
 Can you provide us the support?

1562
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,580
 And we had favorable responses from those agencies.

1563
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:49,580
 Thank you.

1564
01:49:49,580 --> 01:49:50,580
 That helps.

1565
01:49:50,580 --> 01:49:57,140
 I'll just say that when we roll back around to next summer's yearly update, I'll be looking

1566
01:49:57,140 --> 01:50:01,080
 to see how many of those 27 actions has been completed so far.

1567
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:07,320
 And if it's much less than, say, 15, then we're going to need to let council know that

1568
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:12,040
 something has to change in order to get through them in a timely manner.

1569
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:13,040
 Thank you.

1570
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,040
 Okay.

1571
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,760
 We've got a motion on the floor, first and a second, any other discussion?

1572
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:19,760
 Okay.

1573
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,600
 I'll just say thank you all for coming out.

1574
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,400
 Thank you for speaking.

1575
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,160
 Commissioner McDade, it is great to see you.

1576
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:34,920
 And I just want to commend staff, the steering committee, the consultants who worked so hard

1577
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:35,920
 in this.

1578
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:42,160
 It was fantastic public engagement throughout this process, truly.

1579
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:45,320
 It's wonderful, honestly, to see this moving forward.

1580
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:52,040
 So hopefully with council's approval, we'll have this guiding document in place for the

1581
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:57,920
 future growth in the preservation of this really special area in our city.

1582
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:58,920
 So well done.

1583
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:02,760
 I'll go ahead and call for a vote on the board, please.

1584
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,480
 Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner Prodrone.

1585
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:06,600
 I did not see you until just right now.

1586
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:07,600
 Let's hold off.

1587
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:08,600
 Yeah, I apologize.

1588
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:09,600
 Go ahead.

1589
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:10,600
 No worries.

1590
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:15,760
 Again, I just want to thank staff for your diligence in trying to execute this project.

1591
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:21,160
 And I also want to thank Commissioner Pruitt for your recent comments, because I do think

1592
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:27,640
 that is important that if this plan is moving forward, that we do keep to what we're setting

1593
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,720
 out to change and to develop.

1594
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:35,240
 And I think that there should always be that special consideration given the history of

1595
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:40,880
 this community and protecting this particular space.

1596
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,560
 Just wanted to put that out there.

1597
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:43,560
 Thank you.

1598
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:56,280
 Okay, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

1599
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,440
 That motion will carry 5-0.

1600
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,180
 That will take us to our next public hearing item tonight.

1601
01:52:02,180 --> 01:52:07,440
 That is 2B, DCA 24-0008.

1602
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,720
 I will go ahead and open the public hearing.

1603
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:15,000
 And Keisha is here for presentation.

1604
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,520
 Hi.

1605
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:27,320
 Good evening, Chair and Commissioners.

1606
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:29,480
 Keisha Suriano, Assistant Plan Director.

1607
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:37,320
 I'm here for item DCA 24-0008, planning and zoning reconsideration item.

1608
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:42,360
 So as we've discussed previously, this is a staff-initiated request based on a prior

1609
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,640
 reconsideration request that was made August last year.

1610
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,920
 Currently, you all follow the process for city council for reconsideration.

1611
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,000
 You don't have your own.

1612
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:56,560
 So we're bringing forward this item to create a process and update the DDC procedures so

1613
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:02,240
 that the planning and zoning commission has their own set of procedures to follow for

1614
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,400
 reconsidering an agenda item.

1615
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:12,460
 So again, the proposal is to amend the care and goal to establish a comprehensive reconsideration

1616
01:53:12,460 --> 01:53:15,400
 process for the planning and zoning commission.

1617
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,040
 We discussed having the two processes.

1618
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:23,760
 So if there is an item that has been publicly noticed for city council the following week,

1619
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:30,920
 then if any member of commission on the prevailing side would like to reconsider the item that

1620
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:36,880
 will need to be into our office by the fall on Friday, if the item has not yet been publicly

1621
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:41,560
 noticed for the meeting, the following week for city council, then you will have until

1622
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,240
 Thursday before your next meeting.

1623
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:54,000
 Just to continue the proposal, if the motion to reconsider prevails, the item would come

1624
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:59,240
 back as an item for consideration first, and if it prevails, then we'll go through the

1625
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:03,240
 notification process to bring it back on for you all to be able to vote on it.

1626
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:08,160
 If it fails, then we'll go back through our public notice process in order for it to move

1627
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:12,120
 on to city council.

1628
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:16,320
 Commissioner does recommend approval of this item, and I'm here for any questions.

1629
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,600
 Thank you very much.

1630
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:20,600
 Any questions?

1631
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:21,600
 I do not see any.

1632
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:22,600
 Thank you.

1633
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,160
 This is a public hearing.

1634
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:27,120
 I don't have any cards in front of me on this item.

1635
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,440
 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this item?

1636
01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:30,440
 Okay.

1637
01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:35,680
 Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or discussion.

1638
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:36,800
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1639
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:40,360
 Since it was my reconsideration vote that led us down this rabbit hole, I guess I should

1640
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,080
 get a motion approval on this change.

1641
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:46,640
 Thank you, Commissioner Brewer.

1642
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:50,400
 And since I made a point of saying this should be a rare thing, but it's important when we

1643
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:54,640
 need it, I'll say that I happily second it.

1644
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,360
 We've got a first and a second for approval of this item.

1645
01:54:58,360 --> 01:54:59,360
 Any discussion?

1646
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,360
 Okay.

1647
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:11,720
 Let's go ahead and vote, please.

1648
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:31,640
 Is it not working?

1649
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:45,640
 There we go.

1650
01:55:45,640 --> 01:56:06,720
 Okay.

1651
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,280
 That motion carries 5-0.

1652
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:14,680
 That will bring us to item 2C, DCA240009.

1653
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,560
 I will open the public hearing.

1654
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,080
 And Erin is here for presentation.

1655
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,080
 Hi.

1656
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,080
 Good evening.

1657
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:25,400
 Okay.

1658
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:32,320
 This is a proposed charter school amendment to the DDC, Erin Stanley, Assistant Planner.

1659
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:39,080
 So in the most recent legislative session, a few changes were made to state legislature

1660
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:41,080
 about charter schools.

1661
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:49,760
 So in House Bill 1707, it required in the state education code as well as the local

1662
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,960
 government code that cities treat charter schools the same way they do public schools

1663
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:59,760
 when it meets certain considerations, being that the charter school, no administrator,

1664
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:06,120
 officer, employee, governing body member of the school benefits financially from any real

1665
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,160
 estate transaction with the school.

1666
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:13,840
 So if this is met, then they must be treated as a public school.

1667
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,440
 So because of that, staff is proposing changes to the DDC.

1668
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:23,280
 Mainly, we are creating a charter school definition, which we do not have now, and updating the

1669
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:28,760
 table of allowed uses, creating a use-specific standard for charter schools, and updating

1670
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:32,160
 the required minimum parking.

1671
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:37,320
 So currently, charter schools are viewed as private schools in our current development

1672
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:38,320
 review.

1673
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,320
 And we have three open enrollment charter schools in the city of Denton today, North

1674
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:49,480
 Texas Collegiate Academy, KI Charter, and Founders or Denton Classical Academy.

1675
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:55,660
 And the proposed amendments would create a charter school definition just to really identify

1676
01:57:55,660 --> 01:58:01,160
 it separately from the public schools and eliminate any future confusion that staff

1677
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:07,320
 may have in reviewing charter schools, if they should be under private or public schools.

1678
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:13,200
 And then we would also update the table of allowed uses to add in charter schools there.

1679
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:17,440
 And you'll see that we're allowing it by right in every district that would allow a private

1680
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,680
 school.

1681
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:24,320
 And then as long as they meet the use-specific standard that ties back to the Texas Education

1682
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:28,800
 Code about no financial benefit, then they would be allowed by right in all of the districts

1683
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:33,920
 that would allow public schools as well.

1684
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:38,800
 And then we are also updating the table of required minimum parking.

1685
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,240
 So there's no change being proposed to public and private school parking.

1686
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:46,860
 We're simply consolidating those and adding them with the charter school parking just

1687
01:58:46,860 --> 01:58:52,520
 to clean up the table as we needed to add charter schools in there already.

1688
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:57,080
 And with that, staff is recommending approval as the proposed amendments meet all established

1689
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,240
 criteria in the DDC for amendments.

1690
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:01,520
 And I'll stand for any questions.

1691
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,560
 Next up would be Council on August 20th.

1692
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:04,560
 Great.

1693
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,060
 Thank you, Erin.

1694
01:59:06,060 --> 01:59:07,520
 Any questions for Erin?

1695
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,080
 I do not see any.

1696
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:11,080
 Thank you.

1697
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:12,080
 This is a public hearing.

1698
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:13,780
 I do not have any cards in front of me.

1699
01:59:13,780 --> 01:59:16,440
 Is there anyone wishing to speak on this?

1700
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:18,280
 Okay.

1701
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:25,640
 I will go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or discussion.

1702
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:27,560
 Commissioner Cole?

1703
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:28,720
 I move for approval.

1704
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:29,720
 Okay.

1705
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:30,720
 Commissioner Pedrone?

1706
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:31,720
 I second.

1707
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:32,720
 Okay.

1708
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:33,720
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

1709
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:37,320
 Any discussion?

1710
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:49,520
 Let's go ahead and vote, please.

1711
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:56,200
 That motion carries 4-1.

1712
01:59:56,200 --> 02:00:00,280
 That will move us to concluding items for this evening.

1713
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:03,280
 Is there any concluding items?

1714
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,840
 Okay.

1715
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,320
 Well with that, I will thank you all for being here on this special called meeting.

1716
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:11,000
 We do have a meeting next week.

1717
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:12,000
 So we'll see you then.

1718
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,200
 And I'll adjourn our meeting here at 7:57 p.m.

1719
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:15,440
 Thank you.