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 Good morning, everyone.

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 We are here for the Mobility Committee.

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 After determining that a quorum is present, the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton,

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 Texas, is convening in a regular meeting on Wednesday, June 26th, 10 a.m., in our council

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 work session room.

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 First thing on the agenda is the citizens' comments on agenda items.

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 Have we had any citizens' comments?

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 No.

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 So we're going to move on to item two, items for individual consideration, AMC 24-016,

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 consider approval of the minutes of May 29th, 2024.

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 Is there any -- we need a motion for approval.

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 Anybody want a motion for approval?

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 Okay.

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 I move approval.

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 I'll second.

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 Okay.

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 I move and second.

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 Can we get approval, yes or no?

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 Aye.

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 Aye.

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 Can we get an aye?

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 Sorry, had a little brain situation there.

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 So it's been moved and approved for the minutes of May 29th, 2024.

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 BEMC 24-017, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation

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 mobility project status report.

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 Good morning, everybody.

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 John Poster, Innovative Transportation Solutions.

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 Start right in with I-35 North.

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 The 076 project is a project closest to us, I mean, 074.

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 And it's got a ready-to-let date of May 25th, but our dollar amount for that section, which

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 is half a billion dollars, is in the following fiscal year.

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 So currently, it's got a let date of July 2026.

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 We're working on the unified transportation plan.

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 If they happen to be able to move up half a billion dollars, we will, but probably not.

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 So that's the main part of the project, it's fully funded.

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 We're still at the budget that we anticipate, and this will allow us to get the next section

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 totally torn up before we start the next one.

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 And this is just showing you the utilities that we're working on for each section, and

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 the yellow highlights different from what you saw last month.

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 The merged job let in April 4th, I think we went over this last time, Seaman was a low

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 bidder.

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 All the firms had a maximum amount of 56 months they could bid, and all the firms bid 56 months.

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 So Seaman was the low bid at $100 million over what we had.

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 The district came up with $50 million, and the commission came up with $50 million, and

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 they awarded the contract.

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 And we'll start to see, probably next month, one of these types of reports that show you

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 what they're doing, and what they're doing right now, they're basically just mobilizing

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 and waiting for some of these utilities to clear by the end of June.

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 I have a question on that one.

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 Yes ma'am.

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 Did I hear you say that it's $100 million over what was...

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 Right, it was $450 something million estimated, and it came in at $555 or something like that.

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 Okay, and so you say that's over what was initially...

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 What I'm doing is trying to prove a point.

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 It was 18% over what the estimate was.

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 Okay, and so the estimate took place how many years ago?

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 They did it about four months before they led the project.

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 So what's happening in North Texas is, North Texas, the state in general is trying to spend

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 $200 billion every two years on an infrastructure.

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 And in North Texas, we're the only ones that are able to get our projects ready to let.

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 Houston is $2 billion behind their letting schedule, Austin's a billion and a half, San

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 Antonio's about a billion.

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 So the place to be if you want to work is North Texas.

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 But what happens is we've got all these projects that are going to let, so we are competing

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 against ourselves in projects, and material costs are going up.

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 Thank you, sir.

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 So how does the various firms, and your firm, and the engineers involved, you know that

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 because you just described it to us, how do we get where that 18% is zero, where the estimates

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 are better?

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 All engineering firms know they don't want to be the low bidder, right?

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 They want to be the high bidder.

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 And in the last two years, what I'll do is I'll give you on our next report, I'll show

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 you what the TechStats construction cost index has gone, happened over the last four years

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 in general.

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 But in particular, the last two years, construction costs have gone up close to 70%.

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 And the reason that is is that there's a lot of batch plants that are having trouble producing,

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 there's a lot of whenever you have a hurricane somewhere and a lot of signals get torn down,

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 the lead time for signal material is long.

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 We only had two bidders on this project, because they were -- they have to be large firms to

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 be able to do these size projects.

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 And so they're working everywhere.

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 So we try, but the construction inflation is outpacing what we're anticipating.

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 And we do a look back, which that's all I know that the state does, is they do a 12-month

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 rolling estimate for unit prices.

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 It's just a rolling estimate, and that's what they use.

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 Sometimes we hit them, sometimes we don't.

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 The question was more geared at how do we -- let me get closer to the bullseye so that

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 our estimates are a little tighter.

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 This is not me throwing blame.

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 This is me, like, how do we be better?

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 If I figure it out, I'm going to make a lot of money.

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 Y'all won't see me tomorrow if I figure it out.

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 All right, thank you.

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 So your Mayhill job, this is the big grade separation at 35 and Mayhill.

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 Just to put this in perspective, when we first started doing this project, we thought it

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 would be about 74 million bucks three years ago, four years ago, and now it's 125.

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 Now we did add some scope, but there has been some construction increases in this one as

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 And this is the improvements.

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 If you remember, all we're going to do is go to about to where the quick trip gas station

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 driveway is for that intersection.

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 It'll be 12 lanes wide, as opposed to the 10 lanes you have at loop 288 underneath the

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 And I just met with the county judge yesterday, and he's very interested in making sure that

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 that segment from 35 to Colorado functions properly.

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 So I'm going to need to work with your staff to figure out what it is that McCarthy's going

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 And McCarthy's doing it at that intersection, because is there something we can do to make

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 it bigger now?

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 I think it's better to do it now than later.

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 And we are going to use RTR funds for that middle piece.

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 And I'm working with Trevor on that.

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 He calls me twice a week.

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 So we're ready to let June 25, so the merge will be torn up.

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 We're about to tear this one up in June, and in September we'll tear the further one up.

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 So I'm going to go south.

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 That's my favorite project right now.

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 Remember, this adds those flyovers, bypasses, so you don't have to stop a brinker to go

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 from 288 to Mayhill or Mayhill to 288.

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 So the middle section, we did meet with TechStat.

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 They have 288 million of the 423.

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 I need to make sure Ms. Trill puts that in there for the asterisk next time.

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 We just got it.

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 It was in the southern section, and this changed UTP that the RTC is going to -- we're going

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 to approve the STAC, I think this week or next week, whenever they meet, flips the -- this

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 week flips money from the south to the north, and then we met with TechStat, and they found

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 a project they can do for about 300 million, and basically it just means eliminating frontage

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 roads where there's no development, and there's just floodplains.

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 But all the majors will be done, 407, 2449, and all those other ones in the middle, I

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 can't remember.

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 All those interchanges will be built.

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 We'll just leave out some of the frontage roads where there's no development.

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 So we'll update that with our next report once the UTP is approved.

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 Allergies.

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 So this is the project across the lake.

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 It's essentially done, and when I say those TechStat reports, do you see this report we

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 do here to tell you what's going on with the project?

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 You'll start to see that on the merge.

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 You'll see that on the A-Hill breakout, and you'll see that on the 074 project.

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 But right now you see punch list, punch list, it's just various things to make sure that

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 the contract is closed out, but the road's essentially open to traffic.

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 So are we expecting not to have any kind of lighting or anything?

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 I know we can't do it over the bridge, but before you get to the bridge, I mean, I'm

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 The lake, after the lake, not any kind of lighting or anything.

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 So you're talking about continuous illumination?

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 Yes, thank you.

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 I don't know when lights are interchangeable and something people get confused, but the

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 Corps won't allow continuous illumination over their property.

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 TechStat doesn't do continuous illumination.

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 If you see a road that's got continuous illumination, somebody other than the state paid for it.

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 Because, and don't shoot the messenger, the state says they build the road, so the reflective

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 materials on the road and the signs and markings are all you need to be able to see where you're

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 going is your headlights.

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 That's the way they build their roads, so you don't need continuous illumination.

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 So there can be, but it would have to be a deal where the entity that interacts, it has

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 to enter into agreement with TechStat.

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 Sometimes TechStat will help pay for the installation, but the maintenance and cost of electricity

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 is on the third party.

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 Okay, so that probably sounds like that might be the county.

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 I'm just saying what people are thinking.

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 I will tell you right now that in the 30 years I worked for Denton County, we have never

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 put one stick of continuous illumination on any road, because if we did, that's all we'd

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 spend our money on.

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 We wouldn't be able to build any roads.

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 I was going to say, I don't know that we want to say everyone wants continuous illumination,

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 especially over core property and wetlands.

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 Well, you can't do it on the core, that's a dead end.

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 Even if they would let it happen, I'm not sure I would, that would be a thing I would

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 Just saying.

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 Well, the county won't help you on that.

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 Okay, thank you.

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 All right, Yalook 28 West Frontage Roads, we continue to move forward on this project.

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 Chain Patel is in the design phase and we're still moving utilities and we anticipate being

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 done with all of the right of way at the end of this year.

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 We made changes for the city and the developments on the southern end at 288 or 2449 right now,

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 but 288 in the future in Underwood, I think we got all that worked out.

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 Had to do a mini reeval for that and the dollar amount for frontage roads for the segments

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 combined is 227 million and the intent is to do, we were going to do from 288 down to

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 380 so that the city could then restrict trucks through town and make them go all the way

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 But then Hunter Cole popped up and we're hard charging so we decided instead of doing two

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 frontage roads from 288 down to 380 plus the grade separations over the railroad and the

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 380, we'll just do one frontage road northbound, make it one way in each direction, grade separate

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 288, I mean 380 in the railroad.

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 So you can go the whole loop, it'll be a two lane road, one in northbound, one in southbound

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 and then as the development and the city picked the northbound because what that allows is

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 everything to develop inside the loop to the exact corner edge of the frontage road where

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 it'll be in the future and then as the developments warrant we'll build the other frontage road

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 and so you'll have two lanes going north, two lanes going south, kind of like what we're

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 doing on the toll road and then ultimately there will be a main lane freeway through

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 Any questions?

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 I told you a joke on this, when I started on this project I was single and skinny and

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 handsome and I've got three kids out of college that have been married for 31 years and I'm

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 still not done with it.

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 I'm going to be buried out here somewhere I think.

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 We'll pick you a little spot over there on the corner for 35W and 288, we'll put you

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 There you go.

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 Down that floodplain.

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 There you go.

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 No because that would be THC and we couldn't build the road there because you'd be buried

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 See?

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 No you can move dead people because they don't complain, you can't move a park.

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 That's what I heard just yesterday on the project.

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 I don't want to hear that now.

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 Federally speaking.

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 Okay so we're working on the 288, I call it the 288 north section and the connector

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 I think we've got most of the kinks worked out on this.

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 We are looking at having a, we had our second public meeting in June, 52 attendance so what

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 happens is, remember how we had a lot of people torqued because we were showing multiple alignments

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 further out, as soon as we pull into a more unified area that we're working in, the number

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 of people involved drop.

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 Councilman Mc?

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 There were some questions brought up at that meeting, there was access for a business on

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 the south side near Giesling and it wasn't clear how they were going to have access because

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 that's where the bypass cuts off.

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 Do you know the name of the business?

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 East of the flea market, relatively new business, kind of where we're making the transition

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 If they made that comment in the public meeting, it has to be addressed and we'll get it addressed

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 and then come back and bring it to the mobility.

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 I mean I don't know there will be a problem, it's just people were commenting that, I think

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 Scott was there.

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 So the point I'm making is, during the public meeting process, if anybody brings up anything,

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 we have to go study it and tell them why we can or can't do it, right?

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 So that's how you go from 17 alignments down to four, down to two, because you take everything

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 anybody says and you study and go well the Corps won't let you go there or too many displacements

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 or you've got a cemetery, stuff like that.

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 So whatever they ask about, it will be addressed and we'll get that information back to you

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 when we know.

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 And the other one I want to check on, it's the same, not necessarily been long enough

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 to answer this question, but the Texas U-turn there at potentially at Deerwood, did we go

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 forward on anything there in terms, and the only reason I ask is because it seems like

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 this is a combination of text out in the city and that is shown as proposed and is going

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 to continue to be there.

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 So no change.

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 Those are easy to do.

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 All right.

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 I have a question.

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 She has a question.

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 So me and somebody else met with Farhan and a former staff member several months ago and

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 you may not be able to answer this question, but looking at the initial designs, it looked

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 like the side path they just built on 380 might get interrupted and create like a two

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 mile detour.

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 Do we know if that sort of direct access along 380 is being maintained for a bike path on

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 the north side?

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 Well, if you're walking, don't you want to walk farther?

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 We can look at that.

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 The intent is to keep the out-grade traffic to go continue on 380 to the 288 intersection

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 and the only part that goes to 288 through that cut bypass are the main lanes, so they'll

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 be elevated areas.

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 So it shouldn't have to be that much of a detour just to get under and around the bridge.

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 It's going to be elevated.

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 But I will tell you that trails and shared use paths, if they're there, the state has

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 to accommodate them.

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 And if they're not, and you'll ask for them, we have to accommodate them.

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 The FHWA has a multimodal view of all roads.

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 So however you want to walk, drive, pedal, or whatever, rickshaw, the roads got to allow

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 it.

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 And then segment seven, I just do this separately.

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 It's part of the 288 job, but I leave this on here because you all are committed to Bonnie

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 Bray section six and south with various partners.

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 Cognitex decided they'd pick this up in its entirety.

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 So whatever it ends up costing, it won't cost us anything.

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 It just has to be consistent with what you all want and tie it into Bonnie Bray segment

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 six.

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 Airport Road, we are ready to let about this time next year.

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 And I just got to come up with $34 million right now and then, could happen, it'll happen.

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 In 1173, we are in the process of again, doing the utility relocations, right aways acquired.

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 We got to go meet with Crum on Hopkins.

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 They've got some drainage issues related to Hopkins as it ties into 1173.

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 But generally speaking, we're moving forward with the railroad agreements, and we seem

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 to be on track to be ready sometime next year.

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 And this is a project that Tech Stop Dallas District asked the county to initiate, because

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 the volume on 1173 is significantly higher than that road can handle.

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 So we're fairly confident that even though, because there's a lot of drainage issues

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 out there, we're fairly confident once we get it ready to let that, you know, it's a

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 big number, but we'll find it.

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 I believe we have a question.

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 So remind me the configuration of Bartol, the new 1173 Bartol on the east coast of the

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 freeway.

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 It goes up.

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 Yeah.

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 What's that profile going to be like?

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 It'll be the six lanes ultimate that we're proposing, and it'll go down Bartol because

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 it matches y'all's thoroughfare plan.

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 And then we're building that interchange with the 35 job already.

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 And so that when 1173 comes in, it'll be able to go right across the 77 and move down.

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 And if you look, we're talking about coming down right here to 288.

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 So you'll be able to come 1173, go up, hit 35 where 77 hits, and then come straight down

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 into town without having to do that janky move that we're having to do now.

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 Okay, I appreciate that.

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 And all of this part right here, all that improvement for the project will be built

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 with the 35 job.

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 Okay, the outer loop, it mostly impacts the city of Denton.

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 So I mean, it goes through the area, but Mylam and 35 is generally speaking where we still

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 have to carry two alternatives because it's in EIS, EIS requires you to carry two.

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 The red alignment is Rector.

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 Blue alignment is Mylam.

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 Blue comports with your thoroughfare plan, and it comports with Aubrey's thoroughfare

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 plan.

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 So we cut it into three segments, east, green belt, west.

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 And there's a red and blue in the east.

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 There's only one place across at the green belt, and there's a red and blue in the west.

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 And the main part of the outer loop that we're working on in this Denton area is Mylam has

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 a Mylam Road north that ties in and then Mylam Road south goes west.

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 156 is out here, you can't see it here, but it's right here, 156.

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 And so COG has told us in 2050, 156 is going to be a super arterial, which means six lanes

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 at minimum.

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 And so there's a desire on the part of the COG to see some connection between 35 and

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 156 on one of those Mylams.

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 Mylam is the county that just bought all that land for an expo.

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 And Andy being a long-term planner, he's not planning for 2050, he's planning for when

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 somebody comes along and says, "Why don't we just punch the freeway through the expo?"

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 So we're trying to figure out the best way through that.

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 Techstop's given us a 1,200-foot hole, you call it a bridge, a great separation so we

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 can hit anywhere in that Mylam North, Mylam South, to whatever makes the best use of funding

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 from 35 over to 156.

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 And once we get the geometry fit, because what happens is there's direct connects and

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 wherever we decide to hit, that direct connect slides up and down to wherever those main

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 lanes are, and then that has a ripple effect on your interstate access justification report,

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 so you got to move all these ramps, and so it's a moving target, but we got to know what

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 the expo's doing.

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 And so we met with the county yesterday, and they've got to get us some information.

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 That's the only big deal.

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 Everything else is pretty much settled.

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 But you're going to have to go across the green belt, 500 foot, it's probably a no-go

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 for them, 350 foot still gives us future expandability and redundancy.

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 They want us to stay in 150 feet, and 150 feet would be frontage road main lanes.

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 No redundancy, no future capacity, and if it's a mile-long bridge and if anything happens

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 under the frontage roads, fire or whatever, the main lanes would have to be shut down.

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 So we're going to win the argument, but we got to have to have the argument with the

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 Corps on why we can't stay inside there easement.

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 But we'll do what we always do with the Corps.

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 We'll surrender early and pay what they ask, and we'll get through it.

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 So the people that are coming to the meetings to discuss this particular thing, is there

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 any comment from the community?

353
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 Absolutely.

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 Do they want to do 500 feet or 100, you know, what do they want?

355
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 Okay, so that's a perfect, what I think we ought to do is have LJA scheduled to come

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 over here and just make a presentation for you all at the Mobility Committee, because

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 they've got the comments granulated for all the meetings they've had by east and west

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 region by mood, intent, concerns, environment, location, type.

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 They got all these questions they ask, and it's very granular.

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 So we know exactly what they feel, but the reality is, is that we meet Denton County,

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 Collin County, Rockwell County, and Kauffman County, meet with COG and TXDOT every month

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 on the outer loop.

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 The outer loop will be a freeway, the Mobility 2045 calls it as a freeway, and the feds require

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 you to match whatever the Mobility Plan calls for.

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 2050, we're going to exceed, Denton County is going to exceed in the 2050 plan population

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 in Collin County for the first time.

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 And the reason is, is we've built all of our roads from county line to county line, county

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 line to north of Denton, Collin County has only got a third of their county developed.

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 So we're going to bypass them, and the freeway for the outer loop is already in the plan

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 as a freeway.

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 So we're talking about where the freeway goes, not whether it's a freeway, and that's what

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 the EIS is going to do.

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 Did I answer your question?

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 Is it hot in here?

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 I mean, you did, you answered the question, but I guess I'm just a little bit more simpler

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 than that.

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 You mentioned something about 500 feet, and then 300 feet, and then 150 feet.

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 So only at the, only at the green belt, so the green belt has not only flow adhesements,

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 but the whole green belt corridor has got what's called conservation.

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 Yeah, the conservation part.

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 And they literally require an act of Congress to do anything inside those conservation areas.

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 So we're, the feds are telling us, the Federal Highway Administration is telling us, plan

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 for the future, redundancy and expandability, the Corps of Engineers is saying, don't touch

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 my property.

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 Okay.

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 So the two feds have got to work it out.

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 And typically what happens is the Corps can't say no, they could just make it hurt real

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 bad.

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 And we're used to that.

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 So just before we get too far down the road on this.

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 Five years ago, 2016, whatever that is, that's a whole lot longer than five years ago, shoot.

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 The county knew the green belt was going to be the linchpin for this project.

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 So we've done two things, one is cockpit $50 million in the 10 year plan, just for the green

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 belt crossing.

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 So that's to make it as environmentally sensitive and is compatible.

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 And what we're going to do is whatever the court tells us for, we're going to go beyond

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 the norms.

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 So everywhere the 23 mile outer loop crosses any kind of a flow adhesement of any type,

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 we are going to just accommodate the freeway crossing.

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 We are also working on this thing called TSI transportation stormwater initiative, where

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 we're going to go vertical up and down those floodplains, widen out the ability to detain

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 or retain.

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 It'll look, it'll be a detention pond, but it'll look like a retention pond because we're

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 going to be using those flowage areas to capture that water and then to use natural means to

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 not send it down the river to Dallas, but to recharge the aquifers.

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 So the road's going to act as a filter.

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 So that 500 foot is needed for things that you would not necessarily do on a freeway.

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 Aesthetically, so in other words, another thing we're doing is all the other corridors

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 have about 24 feet back a curve for parkway.

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 We know we got to be aesthetically pleasing going through here.

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 So we're close to 50 feet back a curve for parkway for aesthetically pleasing for the

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 environment.

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 There's a lot going on on this.

414
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 Oh, okay.

415
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000
 Okay.

416
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
 Thank you.

417
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000
 Yes, sir.

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 If it's possible, and not to take John off the hot seat because I like putting him there,

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 but maybe if John could coordinate with LJA, we could have them come present, I think it'd

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 be useful for the group.

421
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,200
 Absolutely.

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 That'll be nice and that'll be helpful to the people that are not making it to the meetings.

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 Yes, and it is very, the information that I'll bring to you is mind-boggling.

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 Okay.

425
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,600
 Yes, I understand.

426
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,600
 Thank you very much.

427
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,600
 If you can get them on upcoming agendas, let them know the date, that'd be great.

428
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,600
 Yes, sir.

429
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,600
 Let them know that we'd like to meet with them.

430
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,600
 Yes, sir.

431
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,440
 I was just going to say, if there's a possibility to not have it in July or to have some sort

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 of static report that couples with it, that would be helpful.

433
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280
 Yeah, I don't think I'm here in July.

434
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 I'm going to be in Wisconsin.

435
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,960
 We'll get out of vacation season.

436
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,960
 Thank you.

437
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,960
 Appreciate that input.

438
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,960
 Susie, do you have anything?

439
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,960
 Okay.

440
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:37,800
 Okay, y'all see what's going on with Alma Locus, raise the roof.

441
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 Raise it up.

442
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 This is where somebody else besides me talks, so I'm just going to pass it off unless somebody

443
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 else talks.

444
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,400
 Oh, okay.

445
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,400
 You can finally pass it off.

446
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,600
 November of this year, we're supposed to be done.

447
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 It'll be beautiful.

448
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,360
 And then glossaries.

449
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,360
 There it is.

450
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,360
 I'll go back to the top.

451
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,360
 Oops.

452
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,360
 Sorry, y'all.

453
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,360
 Do y'all have any other questions for me or anything?

454
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,360
 I don't have any other questions.

455
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,360
 Does anybody else have any other questions?

456
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,360
 No.

457
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,360
 All right, it sounds like you are good to go.

458
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,360
 I don't know how to undo that.

459
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:15,300
 We'll turn it off.

460
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,080
 Appreciate that.

461
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:26,400
 Thank you very much, Mr. Polster.

462
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:39,200
 Okay, we're going to move on to CMC 24-018, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

463
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 accommodating bike racks with a focus on land, landfills, why would I say landfill?

464
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 In-field locations.

465
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,920
 Landfills locations.

466
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,920
 Well, maybe.

467
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,160
 There may be bike racks at the landfill.

468
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,280
 So I'm going to introduce myself a little bit.

469
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:06,360
 So I'm Greg Scott, and I was told that I could choose my own title for today, and I choose

470
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:14,800
 as my title for today the guy that has lived in many places, some of which have tried to

471
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:22,840
 chase the car, tried to build their way out of congestion, and other places that have

472
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:39,400
 not, that have succeeded in resolving congestion or living with congestion and kept their character,

473
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:50,000
 kept their quality of life, and I hope that I can help you all do exactly that.

474
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,300
 I don't know if that'll fit on a business card, but we are going to try to fit that

475
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:57,600
 on a business card.

476
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,600
 Okay.

477
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:06,360
 And today, I'm going to talk about bike racks, okay, a piece of the puzzle, and also about

478
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,180
 speed cushions, okay?

479
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:13,080
 So first, bike racks.

480
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,080
 Based on your questions.

481
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,640
 These are based on your questions, right?

482
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640
 Hold on just a moment.

483
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:28,240
 I'm going to fix the screen, but are we, oh, there you go, okay, beautiful, okay.

484
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:36,760
 So the agenda for that is to first start with the big picture, talk about the key characteristics

485
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:45,680
 of successful bike rack program, emphasizing infill locations, meaning places where the

486
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:57,680
 city wasn't able to ask a developer to put bike racks in, okay, simple samples of innovation

487
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,340
 and a recommendation, then we'll open it for questions and answers, okay.

488
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:15,200
 So big picture is bikes have a surprising ability to improve the situation.

489
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,920
 They, we all know that they help our health.

490
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,600
 I didn't know about immune system, but they can help our health.

491
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,760
 They can help our community, quality of life.

492
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:37,720
 Maybe we don't understand that businesses, when they look to locate anymore, they are

493
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:42,640
 out there trying to attract employees, and that quality of life is very important to

494
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,080
 them to getting their employees.

495
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:54,680
 And when they consider relocating, they're looking at that, okay.

496
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:06,440
 Bikes generally are attractive to maybe a three-mile distance for most people.

497
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:17,840
 Most of Denton is within three miles of the A train station, 52% of the nationwide of

498
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:26,600
 all trips, all trips are within that three miles.

499
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,760
 This is something not well known, and that is when you start up your car, before you're

500
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:43,000
 a catalytic converter warms up, you're spewing out a lot more pollution than after the three

501
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,140
 miles.

502
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:51,280
 So it's disproportionate what a bike can do for air quality.

503
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,320
 So those are some of the advantages of bikes.

504
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:03,960
 However, the challenge is uncertainty for a new rider, they go, well, how do I do this?

505
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,440
 I've always been driving.

506
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,520
 How do I do this?

507
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
 So what's a safe route?

508
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,280
 What's a direct route?

509
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,360
 What if it rains?

510
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,760
 And what do I do with my bike so it can be safe?

511
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,440
 So that's where bike racks come in.

512
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,600
 Our job is to simplify the decision.

513
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:32,720
 Key characteristics are that there's ample bike racks, they are visible and identifiable

514
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,940
 as bike racks.

515
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:42,640
 These are the areas that we can put bike racks.

516
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,680
 These are examples of ample bike racks and visible bike racks.

517
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,760
 You have the little sign up there, parking.

518
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,720
 You have a lot of bike racks there.

519
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,960
 This is in one block of Portland.

520
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,960
 All these pictures.

521
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,960
 Well, not the last one.

522
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,720
 The last one isn't.

523
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:05,720
 Ample and visible.

524
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:06,720
 Okay.

525
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:13,800
 Here's a grocery store and that and over on the left side.

526
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,240
 Is there ample and visible bike racks?

527
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:22,520
 No, I notice those are ample and visible bike racks, but it doesn't say anything.

528
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,520
 You're right.

529
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,880
 It just looks like something.

530
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,880
 Right.

531
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:35,080
 And to improve that, we should put a sign there if we do that, yeah.

532
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,960
 All these examples are not going to be perfect.

533
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,720
 And there's trade-offs, but we should strive for perfection.

534
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,720
 Okay.

535
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,880
 The other characteristic is context sensitive.

536
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,200
 Think about where the bike racks are going to go.

537
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,640
 What are the needs?

538
00:37:51,640 --> 00:38:00,640
 So I'm asking, how might bike racks be different at a commuter rail station versus a grocery

539
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,600
 store versus an employer?

540
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,600
 Any thoughts on that?

541
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,960
 Oh, you're asking that right now?

542
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,960
 Yeah.

543
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,960
 Oh, okay.

544
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,280
 Yeah, I have thoughts on that.

545
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:22,880
 But I'd like to see bike racks at the commuter rail station because the commuter rail station

546
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,480
 is next to a lot of resources.

547
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,000
 So it'd be nice to be able to have bike racks there, walkable.

548
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,040
 These places are walkable and then, so that'd be good.

549
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040
 Grocery stores?

550
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,040
 What do y'all think?

551
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,400
 Yeah, how might they be different than a grocery store?

552
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,760
 I mean, commuter train, if you're leaving your bike at the station, let me make sure

553
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,800
 I'm on, you're probably leaving it there for longer.

554
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,680
 I would be looking for something more secure that's even harder to steal.

555
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,440
 So I know Dart has the little covers, for example.

556
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,480
 Something like a grocery store, you're not there as long.

557
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,840
 So you don't need like special stuff like a cover or anything.

558
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960
 And then for an employer, I would hope I had indoor bike parking because that's like the

559
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,760
 ultimate security so that my bike doesn't get stolen while I'm at work.

560
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,800
 So that's kind of what I'd be looking for for those.

561
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,800
 Yeah.

562
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,520
 What about the idea of stealing bikes?

563
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,920
 Is there just like a big massive stealing bikes, like stealing cars?

564
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
 Especially at UNT, it's really bad.

565
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560
 Downtown to some degree, so where there's a bunch of bikes, there's going to be more

566
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,560
 bike theft.

567
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,560
 That's where the bike thieves go.

568
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,160
 And it's really easy to steal most bikes with those really, those coily locks.

569
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,160
 Super easy.

570
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,760
 Big, big, big, big.

571
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,920
 So the demand is going to be greater at the A train, right?

572
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,920
 How long?

573
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,920
 How long you're there?

574
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
 You want some kind of protection?

575
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:52,680
 And I add a destination, meaning not everybody just goes to the A train and that walks off,

576
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,120
 you know, in Louisville or whatever and their office is right there or wherever they're

577
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,120
 going.

578
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:04,160
 You got to have some on the train, okay?

579
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:12,280
 So we can ask those same questions about, you know, shopping trips, right?

580
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,800
 This is geared towards shopping trips, right?

581
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:23,680
 Go to Home Depot, get your big load of cement and we'll let Susie do that.

582
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,680
 Okay.

583
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,680
 And daycare, right?

584
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,240
 Quick in and out, but you still want your bike safe, right?

585
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,000
 And you've got to have your kids with you, I suppose, if you're going to daycare.

586
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,440
 Okay, so identifiable.

587
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,920
 Now we're going to buzz through the rest of these slides and if I go too fast just let

588
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,920
 me know.

589
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,260
 Okay, so innovation.

590
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:44,040
 They're very identical.

591
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,440
 These are bike racks.

592
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,360
 These are called secret cycle loops and you can hook them to a bunch of things, right?

593
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,360
 So it's right there.

594
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640
 You don't have to put anything new in the ground.

595
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,440
 Hey, how about this?

596
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,320
 You've got benches with bike racks hooked to them.

597
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,400
 If you have limited space, put it up on the end.

598
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:17,480
 But actually there's a lot of secret space here that virtually every intersection, every

599
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:23,800
 driveway has what's called visibility triangle, okay?

600
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,740
 So but the secret is, is cars can't park there, but bikes can park there.

601
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:32,520
 So those are great places to put bikes.

602
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:40,480
 So in this case, this is another Foreman picture from that same block that I walked around,

603
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,480
 okay?

604
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480
 They put it in the visibility triangle.

605
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,660
 They put it in the middle of the visibility triangle.

606
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:53,360
 They put it on the driveway visibility triangle, okay?

607
00:41:53,360 --> 00:42:01,680
 Then there's innovation, like if you don't, if you don't quite have enough bike racks,

608
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,040
 why don't you just show where, you know, in one spot, right?

609
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,400
 Show how to get to the next one.

610
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,880
 And if you want to test out a location, you put them on little rails or whatever.

611
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,280
 It doesn't work one place.

612
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,240
 It's more desirable in another place.

613
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,240
 Pick it up.

614
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:22,240
 Move it.

615
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,400
 Hey, and then there's innovations for comfort, right?

616
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,420
 Keep it out of the rain.

617
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:37,600
 Have a small group of folks that have a spot for secure parking and out of the rain.

618
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:43,080
 Or your individual locker.

619
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:51,960
 So the recommendation is that we, as a city, have standards that show that bikes can go

620
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,000
 in the sight triangle, that we pilot as pilots, right?

621
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,040
 And test out the cycle loops.

622
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:12,960
 See if those are hoops that we work with DCTA to make sure we have plenty of bike parking

623
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:19,960
 at the station, on the trains as best as we can, on the buses.

624
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:27,160
 And we really capitalize on the wayfinding so that people can know where to go, get rid

625
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,280
 of that certainty.

626
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,240
 So with that, I can take questions.

627
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,920
 Yes, ma'am.

628
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,920
 Oh.

629
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,920
 Sorry.

630
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,040
 I followed the rules.

631
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,640
 So I really like the -- actually, can you go back one slide?

632
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640
 Do you have recommendations?

633
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,440
 I really like the sight triangle use idea because it's otherwise basically dead space.

634
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,040
 And I believe the reason you can put a bike there and not a car is just the car is taller

635
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,240
 and the bikes are shorter so you can still see.

636
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,880
 I know there's at least one spot at Hickory and Fry Street just north of UNT, sort of

637
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,360
 a commercial area.

638
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,440
 And there is a space that is no parking, but people frequently park there.

639
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,040
 That could be a good location where there's consistent infractions at that location.

640
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:20,280
 And I know at -- in front of Harvest House on Hickory Street, we do have a bike corral,

641
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,720
 so the racks on railing basically.

642
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:29,340
 And I think they requested it a long time ago, like they volunteered to have it there.

643
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:36,420
 And then we do have some cycle hoops if anybody wants to go look at them along Hickory Street

644
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:40,320
 in the Fry Street area north of UNT, they used to be parking meters and they put those

645
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,480
 little circles on the old parking meters.

646
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,080
 So I did have a question.

647
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,600
 Do you think it would be possible to start some sort of small program where maybe a small

648
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,320
 business could request a rack?

649
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,020
 So for example, I think I have the most trouble with bike parking at older strip malls, places

650
00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:04,800
 like that where there's not really a street nearby, so there's not really that many poles

651
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,600
 to walk to.

652
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,680
 So that's kind of where I've had probably the most trouble.

653
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,520
 I think I've seen grant funding for that, but, you know, I know the reality of our staffing

654
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,520
 and that kind of thing.

655
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,560
 So what's kind of your feel on like a small program where we had a small number of racks

656
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,280
 where maybe a business requests one or applies for one?

657
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:32,240
 Off the cuff, I would say it really is staff time, but I mean, they're relatively cheap.

658
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:39,640
 And if it's a program and they're subsidizing and working together, it seems like a reasonable

659
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,120
 approach.

660
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,320
 This is more of a comment I'm going to say than a question, but in 2018 Denton applied

661
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,040
 to be a bicycle-friendly community through the League of American Bicyclists.

662
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,560
 So in DFW, some bicycle-friendly communities that have the designation are Frisco, Richardson,

663
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,180
 Plano, and Fort Worth.

664
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:03,840
 So whenever we applied, we got honorable mention.

665
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,580
 We haven't applied since then, but, you know, sort of in between applications, we should

666
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:10,480
 be trying to make improvements.

667
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,720
 The things you have to do to get a designation are actually a really good blueprint for encouraging

668
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,600
 and enabling more people to get around by bicycle.

669
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,940
 And one of the things is bike parking and what it looks like.

670
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:27,000
 And I know our development code already has standards that meet the requirements, things

671
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,880
 like supporting the bike in two locations, allowing people to use a U-lock.

672
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,440
 So they need to be able to lock the frame of the bike to the rack, otherwise people

673
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,980
 just pop the wheel off and take off with the rest of the bicycle.

674
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:45,000
 So definitely, you know, whatever we do, I would want that to match those requirements.

675
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,340
 So I know the wave racks are not, they don't meet the requirements.

676
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:51,320
 It only supports the bike in one location.

677
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,560
 School yard racks that I've seen Denton ISD putting in, those don't meet the qualifications.

678
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,040
 Like I tried locking my bike to it with a U-lock, and that didn't really work because

679
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,960
 you can't get your bike up to the rack the right way.

680
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,640
 But definitely like staple racks, inverted U-racks, and I believe also the cycle hoops

681
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,000
 also hold it in two places and allow you to use a U-lock, so those match as well.

682
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,980
 So just encourage us to make sure that we're following those standards.

683
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:18,940
 And then one final question.

684
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:24,360
 So there's so many things that we can do to encourage and prioritize or enable people

685
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,460
 to get around by bicycle.

686
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:31,160
 But we have to sort of prioritize our time and efforts based on funding, based on staffing.

687
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:37,800
 So in your opinion, kind of where would bike parking fall in the priorities in terms of

688
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,600
 impact of getting more people to bike, enabling more people to bike?

689
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,080
 If you can sort of rank that, Ian?

690
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,800
 Yeah, that's a challenging question, right?

691
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,120
 It's going to depend on the bike, or right, on the cyclist, sorry.

692
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:58,720
 Because each has their own priorities, but certainly bang for the buck, this is a pretty

693
00:47:58,720 --> 00:47:59,720
 good one.

694
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:00,720
 Yeah.

695
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:05,120
 Just wanted to quickly add to our answer.

696
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,320
 Farhan Bhatt, Deputy Director of Transportation Services.

697
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:19,000
 So both your questions, the last one about getting recognized as a biking community,

698
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,800
 as well as this one where the strategic locations could be, we are conducting the shared mobility

699
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:26,800
 study.

700
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:33,200
 Greg's staff is developing scope for the study, and many of these guidelines would be part

701
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,160
 of the study and recommendations.

702
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:40,560
 When I said in past meetings that there are voids that we are identifying when it comes

703
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:46,800
 to bike or active transportation, this is exactly what I meant, that there are things

704
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,840
 that we are identifying which are there, and we would try to address through the study.

705
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,840
 Okay?

706
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,840
 Thanks.

707
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,840
 Yes.

708
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,000
 So I had a couple of similar questions, I'm going to leap off of Susie's.

709
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,360
 I mean, the hoops look really attractive because of the flexibility and installation.

710
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:13,020
 My question is, generally it looks like those are one, and maybe if you pushed it two bikes

711
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:20,920
 on either side of the loop with one connection like Susie was referencing.

712
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:28,440
 So I guess what's the pro, I'd be interested in the pro-con of that flexibility angle and

713
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:35,400
 cheapness of installation versus racks that are higher density, and what's in the sort

714
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:43,280
 of cost per bike spot kind of argument, what's the best bank for the buck on cost effectiveness

715
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:52,120
 and efficiency for the planning and transportation divisions to kind of look at, your department

716
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,120
 to look at?

717
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,120
 Yeah.

718
00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:02,720
 I mean, the most expensive bike rack is the one that's not used, or that doesn't encourage

719
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:03,720
 use.

720
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:14,720
 So you put them, they need to be ample, meaning many of them, okay, and they need to be visible.

721
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,880
 So I think the answer is really all of the above.

722
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,880
 Yeah.

723
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,120
 I mean, and you're going to hear this from me, well, hopefully I'll be employed with

724
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:33,360
 you guys for a long time, but you know, for many years is flexibility is important, okay?

725
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:39,400
 We don't sacrifice the good for the perfect, okay, we don't.

726
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,960
 We need to be flexible.

727
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:49,520
 If I could paraphrase, then what I'm hearing your suggestion being, and correct me if I'm

728
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,080
 wrong, is on sort of recommendation number two, that is sort of those in many locations

729
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,800
 and then larger density racks in specific locations, is that kind of what I'm hearing?

730
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,800
 Sure.

731
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,080
 I think that would be a pretty fair assessment.

732
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,080
 Okay.

733
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:12,080
 Then my second question related to this is, again, related to something that Commissioner

734
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:21,080
 Rumer said, and that was in some of these places where, you know, city parking is city

735
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,280
 parking on city streets, but we already do have, we have sort of already tried to pilot

736
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,280
 the parklets in parking spots and there's been other opportunities to put, you know,

737
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,880
 rack stations in parking spots.

738
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,120
 I think you had a demonstration of two racks in the parking spot on the square, if I'm

739
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,960
 remembering correctly, and 20 bikes or something in there.

740
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:51,960
 I don't remember the exact number, but for, she was talking about businesses requesting

741
00:51:51,960 --> 00:52:01,280
 facilities, do we have opportunities where that partnership can be, we provide or subsidize

742
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,640
 or fully subsidize a rack if we could get people to request one?

743
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:14,040
 So A, that's one question, and then B, if those kinds of opportunities are available,

744
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:20,560
 is that then more, is the barrier to adoption more the business or the city coming up with

745
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,680
 bike racks?

746
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,920
 So that's a two-part there.

747
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,760
 I'm going to jump in just to say, from a budgetary standpoint, we can evaluate.

748
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:34,520
 I know that Farhan's working on, you know, and with Greg, you know, somewhat of a strategy

749
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,360
 of what we're going to do and where we can go.

750
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:43,560
 Ultimately we'll present whatever those concepts are for incentives or that partnership, and

751
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,400
 we can come back to you with that information.

752
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,680
 I'd be really interested in, you know, figuring out whatever the, what's the best way to lower

753
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:57,640
 the barriers to adoption, how much business, how much city, what's the ratio, because if

754
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:03,360
 we had a warehouse with 10 racks just waiting around, then it is community leaders convincing

755
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,600
 businesses to adopt if that's the barrier.

756
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,920
 Otherwise, if it's the cost of the bike, then that's a different barrier kind of thing.

757
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,800
 Yeah, and I think transportation services has a great deal of passion in this area,

758
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,640
 and they absolutely want to do, and then there's budget constraints, and then ultimately what

759
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,920
 it is that we go through the budget process this year and what it is that we're going

760
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,000
 to be asking for and where that's going to fall our rank.

761
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,480
 I appreciate that, Scott.

762
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,480
 Thank you.

763
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,400
 And my last question on this was sort of back to the number four, the wayfinding.

764
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:41,320
 And I take it from the presentation that this was mostly informing people where other parking

765
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,320
 opportunities are.

766
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,320
 Yes.

767
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,160
 So, but do we, we have a little bit of a cart before the horse.

768
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:57,680
 We have to identify where we want them in the first place and find high occupancy, our

769
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,840
 high desire spot so that they are well and truly used, so then we have the problem of

770
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:11,920
 needing secondary parking so that we can apply signage to, but if we don't have primary parking

771
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,180
 bike racks, then we don't know what our high use society, so it's a little, there's a little

772
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:22,240
 bit of an order issue in there, is they, it is a little bit of, if you build it, they

773
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:28,880
 will come, but they won't know to come until you build it, so, you know, there's an order

774
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,440
 dependency that's happening there.

775
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,440
 Yeah.

776
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,680
 I'm going to step out on the ice here with Scott and say, look, let's put this in perspective,

777
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,680
 okay?

778
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:44,720
 We've heard TechStat and how they're going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on

779
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,960
 the latest road.

780
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:54,240
 These bike racks are pittance relative.

781
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,880
 Let's put it in perspective, right?

782
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:05,760
 We have the principles, the principles that they're ample, that they're visible, they're

783
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,200
 readily identifiable.

784
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,860
 Stay with the principles.

785
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,860
 Stay with the principles.

786
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:16,360
 They're not that much money, okay?

787
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:22,080
 But you have to, having said that, there are silos, okay?

788
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,800
 TechStat money is TechStat money, okay?

789
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:32,440
 But there are ways to, you know, work across silos, and I hope we can find that.

790
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,440
 Excellent.

791
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,440
 Thank you.

792
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:46,720
 Well, I have a question, particularly, so I understand that we can, as a community, you

793
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:52,680
 know, kind of help decide where they're going to be and how they're going to be.

794
00:55:52,680 --> 00:56:03,500
 So we are looking at a variety of types of bike racks in particular places.

795
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:11,400
 Are we going to be able to decide, like, the color of the bike racks?

796
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,000
 I'm just looking for consistency, and we have new people coming in.

797
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,320
 Can they see something pink over there and know that's our color?

798
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:28,640
 And it takes me back to just the bike paths, in my experience with bike paths in other

799
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,640
 cities.

800
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,640
 I'll use Denver as an example.

801
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,400
 I said something about going there last month and noticed that all their bike paths are

802
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,160
 kind of like a lime green.

803
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,920
 Everything that's green, I recognize as a path for biking.

804
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:48,920
 Are we going to, are we looking forward to that conversation, Susie, anybody, on what

805
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:56,800
 we want, you know, the consistency of color means a lot to people.

806
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,720
 We have bike racks downtown right now, and they're red.

807
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,700
 I can't really see them.

808
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:04,520
 I just know they're there.

809
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,080
 I'm not, you know, color blind, but it doesn't grab my attention.

810
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:14,000
 Like, oh, if I had a bike, there's a bike rack, you know, without having to just look

811
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,080
 for it or know it's there.

812
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:21,200
 Are we going to, are we going to do that as a community?

813
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,560
 Are you all going to decide for us, or is there a decision to be made in that regard?

814
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:33,780
 Some colors are national standards, like the green, okay, and we will need to follow those.

815
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:35,720
 Street markings, that's very important.

816
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,280
 There are standard colors, but there are certainly opportunities that when we get down the road,

817
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,280
 we can cover that.

818
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,720
 So let us know what we'll have, be able to do.

819
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,840
 You can be the chairman of the bike color committee.

820
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,840
 Okay.

821
00:57:52,840 --> 00:58:05,000
 Very quickly, yes, when we kick off this study, shared mobility study, standardizing bike

822
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,720
 facilities within the city of Denton would be one of the priorities as well.

823
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,280
 So standards, not only the standard, what kind of bike lanes and where the colored markings

824
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,840
 would be and what type, all of those would be addressed through that study as well.

825
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,840
 Okay.

826
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,840
 Thank you, sir.

827
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:21,840
 I appreciate it.

828
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:28,840
 I mean, some things, business owner, if they're a sponsor, may not want, but we need to balance

829
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,840
 this.

830
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,840
 Okay.

831
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:31,840
 Okay.

832
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,840
 All right.

833
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,840
 Thank you.

834
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,840
 I think that's it.

835
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:35,840
 Okay.

836
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,840
 Thank you, sir.

837
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:37,840
 Yeah.

838
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,520
 You haven't got rid of me yet.

839
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,520
 Okay.

840
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,520
 Let's see.

841
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:43,520
 I'm sorry.

842
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,520
 At the top.

843
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,520
 To the left.

844
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,520
 To the left.

845
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,520
 There's a shortcut.

846
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,520
 From the beginning.

847
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,520
 There it is.

848
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,520
 There you go.

849
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,520
 Okay.

850
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,520
 This is a...

851
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,520
 Yeah.

852
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,520
 She has to call the next time.

853
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,520
 Oh, I have to call the next time.

854
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:56,520
 Sorry.

855
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,520
 Just going to go along with the flow.

856
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:07,240
 DMC 24-09-019, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding speed cushions.

857
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,640
 The basics.

858
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,120
 Okay.

859
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,080
 Okay.

860
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,080
 So we're going to start with the basics on this too.

861
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,200
 Well, I got ahead of myself.

862
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,680
 So the agenda is big picture.

863
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:23,880
 Okay.

864
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,320
 What are they?

865
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:35,920
 What they are not, give you a sample that I'm personally familiar with, emphasize that

866
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:44,920
 speed cushions are not the solve all by themselves, okay, and give you a recommendation, similar

867
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,160
 to the last presentation.

868
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:59,000
 So we have and are developing our cars to be little cocoons that we can drive around

869
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000
 in.

870
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000
 Okay.

871
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:07,800
 We're going to have all these great things, right, to divorce ourselves from our environment

872
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,280
 when we're driving, okay.

873
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:21,200
 Historically, we've also done that with roads, okay, big wide roads, big wide corners, all

874
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,240
 this good stuff to divorce ourselves, to make it mindless.

875
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,240
 And guess what?

876
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:34,280
 Me, you may have driven someplace you didn't intend to drive to because you just got in

877
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,400
 the car and you drove to work when you meant to go someplace else.

878
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,320
 Oh, thank God every time.

879
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:48,440
 Well, there's unintended consequences for that, okay.

880
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:58,720
 When driving is mindless, we end up with an epidemic of fatalities and severe crashes,

881
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,820
 okay.

882
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:09,040
 And in the last five years, within the city of Denton, we've had 83 fatalities.

883
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,640
 That's on all roads, okay.

884
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,080
 That's TxDOT and our roads, okay.

885
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:33,200
 22 of those have been pedestrians or cyclists, 67 incapacitating injuries, 262 minor injuries.

886
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:39,760
 We have other unintended consequences that we can't measure, is a whole lot of folks

887
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,360
 that are afraid to bike, afraid to walk, feel like it's dangerous.

888
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,840
 Sometimes it is, but they feel it.

889
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:56,380
 They get big, they have heart attacks, yeah.

890
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:58,060
 We have a quality of life.

891
01:01:58,060 --> 01:02:06,640
 People pull into their car, houses, into their garages, don't say hi to their neighbors.

892
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:14,380
 We have higher transportation costs because people don't feel comfortable being out there.

893
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:23,460
 And so when they have to have a car and they will drive because they feel like they have

894
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:30,320
 to because we haven't made it easier.

895
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:36,920
 Now we're changing this, okay, slowly but surely we're changing this, we're recognizing

896
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:45,880
 the unintended consequences, but we still have a situation where like this place where

897
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:52,400
 I actually lived, fun fact, my house is on the right side of that, you know.

898
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:58,280
 We lived in, I lived in a neighborhood with a narrow street.

899
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,000
 You couldn't pass two cars by each other.

900
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:06,400
 There was kind of wavy roads a little bit.

901
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,280
 So we could have, you know, our little safe little cocoon in our house, but then when

902
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:17,560
 you want to go out on your major road through other people's neighborhoods, guess what,

903
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,920
 you want to go fast, okay.

904
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,080
 That's expected, speed is expected, okay.

905
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:33,440
 But some of the, some of the other friction with these changes, one in particular that

906
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:42,240
 you asked about that the city's trying to come to terms with is emergency vehicles,

907
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,240
 okay.

908
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:49,280
 The fire department is saying that they don't want to be slowed down, right.

909
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,960
 And they, there's risk to their vehicles, right.

910
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:00,000
 And so, you know, how do we, how do we resolve that, right.

911
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,640
 Well one resolution, one resolution is speed cushions, okay.

912
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,000
 So what are they?

913
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:16,040
 This is the side view, one to 25 to one to 10 slope, three to four inches tall.

914
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:23,940
 This is the standards, these are the NACTO standards, okay.

915
01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:33,200
 And you have up to five feet of flat spot on the top, okay.

916
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:43,520
 And if that's not enough compromise on this, you have channels, two channels for fire engines

917
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:51,160
 and emergency vehicles, so they can, they can go through those channels, so if that's

918
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,780
 an issue, okay.

919
01:04:53,780 --> 01:05:01,920
 And so these, this is from DMERS, they make ambulances, right.

920
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,160
 And these are the wheelbase from the center of each wheel.

921
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:19,320
 This is, they make three basic types of ambulance and so, and there's a speed cushion on there.

922
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:25,840
 So that gives you some sense of what a speed cushion is relative to that wheelbase.

923
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,960
 So it's pretty smooth.

924
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:36,840
 But what they are not, they're not a speed bump, they're not even a speed hump.

925
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,320
 And I will tell you also that what you have on, I think it's Greenwood, that's not speed

926
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,360
 hump.

927
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:49,960
 It does not, it does not look like that.

928
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:59,020
 It's closer to a speed bump than a speed hump, okay.

929
01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:05,480
 And now I'll give you the sample of what I'm familiar with, as I told you, I came from

930
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,320
 Portland, Oregon.

931
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,600
 And what you have here, and I told I wasn't supposed to bring this with me, is you have

932
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:25,460
 downtown up here, a freeway here, freeway there, freeway here, and when people are coming

933
01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:34,440
 out of the downtown, they come on these arterials, they hit Mount Tabor Park, and they go one

934
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,440
 way or the other.

935
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:45,160
 Well, many of them chose to go this way, and here's our project right here, okay.

936
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:51,520
 And this is what it looked like before, pretty fun, I bet, when they went through that.

937
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,640
 And this is what it looks like afterwards, and you can see the channels on there, I'm

938
01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:00,600
 afraid to walk away from the microphone.

939
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:01,600
 Okay.

940
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:06,280
 So you see the channels there, and you see how long that is?

941
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,280
 Describe that bottom picture.

942
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,880
 Are we looking at speed bumps?

943
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,920
 You are looking at a speed cushion.

944
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,920
 Oh, a cushion.

945
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,920
 Yes.

946
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,960
 Which is smaller than a hump.

947
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:18,960
 Longer.

948
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:27,720
 Longer, so from here to here, you know, it's a good distance, okay.

949
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:35,720
 So you're going over a rise, but you're doing so pretty gradually.

950
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:36,720
 Okay.

951
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,720
 Okay.

952
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,600
 So that space at the, like, I'm looking at two triangles.

953
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:42,600
 Yeah.

954
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,600
 And both of those triangles.

955
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,920
 That's a notice for the driver, that's coming up.

956
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:56,600
 Okay, but the cushion is the width between, you know, from one side, one back side of

957
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,480
 one triangle to the back side of the other triangle, all of that whole space is one big

958
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:02,480
 cushion.

959
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:03,480
 Yeah.

960
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:09,240
 I think they call it a cushion, not because it's all that soft, but because it kind of

961
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:16,160
 looks like a cushion, you know, between the channel and the beginning, and kind of looks

962
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:21,300
 like a seat cushion, I guess you could say, maybe a couch cushion.

963
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:28,600
 It just appears to me as though the cushion is in the middle of the road, and then there's

964
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,240
 some, the regular road is on the outside.

965
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,240
 Oh, no, no, no.

966
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,240
 That's what I'm looking at.

967
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,240
 No, there is cushion here.

968
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,240
 Oh, okay.

969
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,240
 Cushion here.

970
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,240
 Yeah.

971
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,240
 Cushion here.

972
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,240
 Cushion here.

973
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,240
 Oh, okay.

974
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,240
 It just depends.

975
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,240
 So there's four cushions, I guess you could call it.

976
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,240
 Okay.

977
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,240
 Yeah.

978
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,240
 Okay.

979
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:50,900
 So, but let's look at what the results were.

980
01:08:50,900 --> 01:09:03,240
 So what it did is instead of having some fast people at the very fastest, it scooched that

981
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:10,600
 down, right, so that everybody was going about the same, much closer to the same speed.

982
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,600
 That's what they did.

983
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,520
 Okay.

984
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,920
 So why say this is part of a package?

985
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:30,440
 It's like the old commercials, you know, the cereal is part of a balanced breakfast, right?

986
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:31,560
 It's not just the cereal.

987
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,800
 You got to have the orange juice, whatever, okay, to really make it balanced.

988
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:41,600
 So a speed cushion by itself is not the end all, okay?

989
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,240
 You got to have some enforcement.

990
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,500
 You got to have some education.

991
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:49,920
 You got to look at other parts of the road and what's going on with that.

992
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:57,720
 I mean, just down the road from this, they took this, and I'll speak really loudly, this

993
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:10,200
 really big turn, which people could go very fast, and now you have to go like that, okay?

994
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:15,520
 So it's part of balanced speed calming.

995
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,000
 Okay.

996
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:23,440
 So here's the recommendations, that we do more research, I know everybody hates that,

997
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,680
 but with other departments, with the fire department, that we're all on the same page,

998
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:32,240
 we all see the same things at the same time, okay?

999
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:38,640
 Visits to comparable communities, we're not the only ones that's run into this, okay?

1000
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:49,480
 Evaluate, replace problematic bumps, okay, replace them with speed cushions, and clarify

1001
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:51,640
 city guidance, okay?

1002
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,320
 So at that, that's the end of my show.

1003
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,400
 Two questions come to mind.

1004
01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,400
 HOAs.

1005
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,400
 Yes.

1006
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:09,660
 And they're independent, whatever it is that they can do, because they will do it, and

1007
01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:15,640
 I'm particularly thinking about the Villages of Carmel, is that the name of it?

1008
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,840
 It's my neighborhood.

1009
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,960
 And then, you mentioned Greenwood, which is, I don't believe that's a HOA community.

1010
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:33,680
 The conversation around, you know, the authority that HOAs have, you know, in this regard,

1011
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:44,880
 speed bumps, cushions, does the city have the authority, what's the level of authority

1012
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,600
 in regards to HOAs deciding that they want to put their own speed cushions, bumps, or

1013
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,600
 whatever you want to call it.

1014
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:57,040
 I might likely need to get back to you on that, but I would say that if it is in the

1015
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:02,880
 international fire code, I think they probably don't make houses of matches anymore due to

1016
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,480
 the fire code, and so I suppose we have some authority there.

1017
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:12,680
 We'll just have to have some conversation around HOAs and speed.

1018
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,200
 I think those are bumps.

1019
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:23,840
 But I know that there's some narrowing of the roads on a particular road that I'm thinking

1020
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:31,800
 about in a particular community, so that'll have to be, you know, part of the question,

1021
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:32,800
 HOAs.

1022
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:37,480
 Indeed, in the other communities, other parts of the communities don't have HOAs, I can

1023
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:44,200
 just assume that, you know, we're going to, you know, work with those communities to either

1024
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:49,560
 get something different or not have anything at all.

1025
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:56,440
 Obviously we have a problem in neighborhoods, many problems in neighborhoods with speeding,

1026
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,440
 what appears to be speeding.

1027
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:04,600
 I know cars, when you're seated on your porch, the cars look like they're going 100 miles

1028
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:09,400
 an hour, but I do understand that, you know, that's all relative, you know, depending on

1029
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:14,360
 whether or not you are in the car, behind the car, or in the car, or you're sitting

1030
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,320
 on the porch watching the cars, there's different speeds for that.

1031
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:24,120
 At the risk of sounding like Ferhan, I'll say we should put that in the mobility plan.

1032
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,200
 Put that in the mobility plan.

1033
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:32,600
 But you know, it makes sense that streets that are straight and for a long distance

1034
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:38,800
 and wide are more likely to have speeders than those that aren't, because the streets

1035
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,400
 tell us how fast we should go.

1036
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,400
 Yes.

1037
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,880
 Oh, yes, sir.

1038
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:51,480
 I'm just going to say our streets that are public streets, we control and we'll deploy

1039
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:56,320
 whatever traffic calming devices are necessary and not necessarily, not that we're looking

1040
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:01,480
 to do speed cushions, this was just kind of one of those presentations related to speed

1041
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:07,600
 bumps versus speed cushions, not necessarily encouraging the use of, and then HOAs aren't

1042
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:13,640
 necessarily allowed to do things, when we talk about private streets versus public streets,

1043
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,560
 and if there are streets, then we ultimately control what goes in and doesn't go in.

1044
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,080
 Thank you very much for that clarification.

1045
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,080
 Thank you.

1046
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,080
 Yes, sir.

1047
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:27,080
 I had a couple of follow-ups, so it kind of relates to both the comments.

1048
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:40,200
 Do we have a feel for what are the kinds of speed characteristics that lend themselves

1049
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:46,600
 to different control devices, so like what lends itself to speed cushions?

1050
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,400
 Is it long straightaways?

1051
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:55,480
 Is it this use next to that use?

1052
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,040
 This is more of an educate me kind of question.

1053
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:03,120
 The answer doesn't have to be now if we don't know it, but I would be interested in knowing

1054
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:10,800
 what the, Google for me if you will, Greg, what's the good characteristics for speed

1055
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:11,800
 cushions?

1056
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:17,280
 This is my first question, and it goes to my second question, which I'll ask in a second,

1057
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,920
 which is effectiveness.

1058
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:26,880
 Yeah, I spoke to the effectiveness in the one case, right, but we would look at other

1059
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,480
 cases too, right?

1060
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:36,520
 The suggestion is more research, so look at other cases, but in the one case I presented,

1061
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,520
 it did have a discernible and-

1062
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,400
 It's about a minus six, as I recall.

1063
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,400
 What?

1064
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,440
 It was about a minus six miles per hour.

1065
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:53,120
 Right, but that by itself may not seem significant, but when you think about everybody going together,

1066
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,920
 this is not in peak.

1067
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:05,280
 85th percentile is, that's 85th, well, I'm going too technical.

1068
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:11,800
 Okay, basically it's not during congestion periods.

1069
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,480
 This is in the middle of the day, okay?

1070
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:23,080
 The point is it is having a real effect on keeping everybody at about the same pace,

1071
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:31,600
 and that's actually more important than it is the actual six.

1072
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,680
 The compression you mean, yeah, no, I got you.

1073
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,320
 Yeah, I'd be interested in both those.

1074
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:47,200
 Just the general description of the characteristics and then general effectiveness of these, because

1075
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:56,120
 there has, the community has been communicating with us and council in general about, we want

1076
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:05,560
 speed control devices, and I've passed that along to your colleagues over the years, but

1077
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,760
 lots of road diets, lots of striping, lots of everything to get to the speed studies

1078
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:16,280
 that we just finished and make them effective instead of dangerous.

1079
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:24,040
 I would probably advocate for, I mean, to really again include that in the mobility

1080
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:35,060
 study because so they can be done on a more uniform method, right, is there are characteristics

1081
01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:38,560
 of streets that lend themselves to speeding.

1082
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:46,840
 Well, and speaking of that, then my last question is there's been some interest, and I don't

1083
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:55,480
 know again the validity of this, but about raised crosswalks, and so the previous talk

1084
01:17:55,480 --> 01:18:04,200
 and this talk, what is the potential interaction with raised crosswalks versus speed cushions

1085
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,320
 and the interoperability of those, and can they be the same thing, or they really can't

1086
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,800
 because there's a channel in there, so you can't really do that.

1087
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:20,160
 So I'd be interested in that interplay, because there's some advantages to raised crosswalks,

1088
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:27,280
 but then how does that play in this whole public safety, EMS argument at those kinds

1089
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,280
 of intersections?

1090
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:35,280
 Exactly, yes.

1091
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:42,640
 Do you think that in terms of a broader strategy for traffic calming, does it make more sense

1092
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:47,160
 to sort of put that within this mobility study we're talking about, or does it make more

1093
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,480
 sense to kind of lump that into Vision Zero or maybe some sort of freestanding thing,

1094
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:57,400
 because definitely I support us having it like a broader criteria strategy application

1095
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:02,000
 so that we're doing traffic calming in a way that's effective, so where are people

1096
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:07,600
 getting injured especially, but also that's equitable, so it's not just whoever yells

1097
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,840
 aloud us gets traffic calming.

1098
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:20,320
 I'm, just because some of these studies predate, so I wanted to make sure that, basically yes,

1099
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:26,320
 Vision Zero would be addressing a lot of things related to speeds and traffic calming, in

1100
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:32,000
 a way complete speed as well, and then we are, I mean for that matter we'll have to

1101
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,560
 coordinate with a lot of stakeholders, but by functional classification we'll have to

1102
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:42,920
 look into how, what measures we will take to look at speeds as part of Vision Zero,

1103
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,960
 and maybe mobility, shared mobility study as well.

1104
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:53,680
 Yeah, Vision Zero is going to, as I understand it, cover, and this is nationally, okay, covers

1105
01:19:53,680 --> 01:20:04,960
 the high injury network, okay so there's specific places, and also systemic fixes, okay, so that

1106
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:11,720
 could fall into the systemic, and I'm using a big word, so, okay.

1107
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:18,760
 Okay, any other questions on that, oh yes, we have one question.

1108
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:23,600
 Yeah, I just, just to kind of put in for a little more emphasis for all the staff, is

1109
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:29,820
 I, I think that you're hearing from many folks, and I, and I don't think there's any resistance

1110
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:37,200
 to this, but the, the, the status quo of sort of being in a, in a standoff of, of, of safety

1111
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:43,480
 versus EMS safety, and those are valid safety concerns, but we, we, we can't sit in that

1112
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:49,960
 Mexican standoff, we've got to find an alternative that, that allows both sets of criteria to

1113
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:55,240
 go forward, and, and no, nobody wants somebody, some patient in an ambulance hurt, but at

1114
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,800
 the same token, we've, we've got to find some, some ways to kind of find a middle ground,

1115
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,800
 or not even a middle ground, an alternative.

1116
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,760
 That's why I'm proposing or recommending this, that we find out together, make sure that

1117
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,000
 we're talking about the same thing.

1118
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:16,280
 I don't think we're talking, when we say speed cushion, we're talking about speed cushions

1119
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,100
 by the definition, by the actual definition.

1120
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:21,100
 Okay.

1121
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:22,100
 Nope.

1122
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:23,100
 Okay.

1123
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:24,100
 I cost it.

1124
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:25,100
 No, no, I just remembered.

1125
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:26,100
 I'm sorry.

1126
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:27,100
 That's okay, go ahead.

1127
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:28,100
 Okay.

1128
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:31,800
 I just remembered, I recently was biking through somewhere that's not Denton.

1129
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,760
 I think it was Highland Village, and there was a connection, an on-street connection

1130
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,160
 between a trail and maybe another trail, and I saw all sorts of traffic calming, so I took

1131
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,160
 photos.

1132
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:42,840
 I'm going to go find the photos, figure out where that was.

1133
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,200
 If it was Highland Village, it might be useful to go look at, because they're real close

1134
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,200
 to here.

1135
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:48,200
 Excellent.

1136
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,200
 Excellent.

1137
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,200
 And you'll send those directly to...

1138
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,200
 Yes.

1139
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:56,800
 By the way, speed cushions aren't just for emergency vehicles, bikes.

1140
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,180
 I have a question.

1141
01:21:59,180 --> 01:22:06,760
 A speed cushion, when we decide to use a speed cushion, will that speed cushion extend over

1142
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:07,960
 to the bike lane?

1143
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:12,520
 I mean, does it go through the entirety of the street?

1144
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,520
 Right.

1145
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,480
 And we have a channel for bikes as well.

1146
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:17,480
 Okay.

1147
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:18,480
 Yeah.

1148
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,880
 And then the other thing before you leave, I'm thinking about bike racks.

1149
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,960
 I did write a question here.

1150
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:31,060
 You had mentioned something about the possibility of bike racks being at the end of a street,

1151
01:22:31,060 --> 01:22:32,060
 you know, at the corners.

1152
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:33,060
 Oh, yeah.

1153
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:35,760
 Corners, driveways, too.

1154
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:43,080
 And so connecting that with large vehicles like a fire truck that need to wheel and turn

1155
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,700
 into a corner.

1156
01:22:45,700 --> 01:22:52,280
 Something like that, is that a trauma piece for that emergency vehicle that got a lot

1157
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,960
 of bikes over there on the corner and the truck is trying to wheel in?

1158
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:56,960
 Right.

1159
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,480
 That's a really good point, and it is something that you need to address on a case-by-case

1160
01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:02,480
 basis.

1161
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:03,480
 Okay.

1162
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:05,640
 Depending on the width and the size of your lens.

1163
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:06,640
 Yeah.

1164
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,640
 Yeah.

1165
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:08,640
 All right.

1166
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:09,640
 Well, thank you very much.

1167
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:10,640
 We appreciate it.

1168
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,640
 If you don't have anything else, we'll move on.

1169
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:12,640
 Appreciate it.

1170
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:13,640
 We're good?

1171
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,640
 Okay.

1172
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,640
 I'm not going away.

1173
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,640
 Okay.

1174
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,640
 Thank you.

1175
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:18,640
 Thank you for being here.

1176
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,640
 I'm looking forward to going to Portland.

1177
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:26,400
 I think that's going to be my next travel agenda to see what's going on there.

1178
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:34,240
 We're going to move on to EMC 24-020, staff memorandum.

1179
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:41,880
 Oh, I think we were waiting for a staff.

1180
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:47,160
 Who's going to ... Are we going to go ... Eagle Drive update?

1181
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,720
 We got updates on Eagle Drive.

1182
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,640
 What's happening on Eagle Drive?

1183
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:52,640
 We've seen the construction.

1184
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:53,640
 It was smooth.

1185
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:54,640
 Last time I went on it.

1186
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:55,640
 Well, just for the confusion.

1187
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:56,640
 I was waiting for an introduction.

1188
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,640
 Ethan Cox, Director of Streets.

1189
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,320
 We have been coordinating with TxDOT.

1190
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:06,280
 What we found as a result of the road buckling out there was it was drainage infrastructure

1191
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,840
 that had a fair amount of debris.

1192
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:16,120
 We have concerns that maybe folks were living in the culvert, mattresses, bicycles, ladders,

1193
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,680
 a lawnmower, so TxDOT coordinated with a contractor to winch out all of the debris.

1194
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,380
 There's about 20 feet of debris wedged underneath there.

1195
01:24:25,380 --> 01:24:30,120
 That was cleared earlier this week, and so the intersection should be open to traffic

1196
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:31,120
 from here on out.

1197
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,920
 I believe the question last time was, "Does the city bear any financial responsibility?"

1198
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,280
 The answer to that's no.

1199
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,960
 Both the drainage infrastructure as well as the roadway, right-of-way, all of that is

1200
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:41,960
 TxDOT facilities.

1201
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,640
 They handled it from beginning to end.

1202
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:45,640
 Okay.

1203
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,640
 Questions?

1204
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,920
 Well, we're all so happy.

1205
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:49,920
 Absolutely.

1206
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:50,920
 Thank you.

1207
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,800
 Just beyond what you can imagine.

1208
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:54,800
 Thank you.

1209
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,080
 Traffic calming measures on Greenwood Street.

1210
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,760
 What's happening over there?

1211
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:07,440
 Good morning, Chandra with Transportation Services.

1212
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:14,160
 So we did have a question in the last meeting to find out about the speed cushions or speed

1213
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,760
 humps that's on Greenwood.

1214
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,920
 Our current policy as per the transportation criteria manual, it will be removed when the

1215
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:26,360
 street is overlaid or micro sealed or reconstructed.

1216
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,920
 And unless if it's on a primary route, we have to consult with fire to remove or put

1217
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:37,160
 it back if the citizen issues of speeding or anything that comes back to us.

1218
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:38,160
 So...

1219
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,040
 Do you have a time frame on that?

1220
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,840
 It depends on when the streets department goes for or if it's under their plan to do

1221
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:51,000
 over seal or overlay or micro seal or reconstruct, then it will be removed.

1222
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000
 Okay.

1223
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
 Yeah.

1224
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000
 All right.

1225
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,000
 You have a question?

1226
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,000
 Yeah.

1227
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,000
 Okay.

1228
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:05,760
 So because we're micro sealing it, it becomes an opportunity to remove it and staff are

1229
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,040
 likely to remove it?

1230
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,040
 Is that what I'm hearing?

1231
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,040
 Yes.

1232
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,040
 Okay.

1233
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,040
 Okay.

1234
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,520
 I just want to make sure I understood the order of events.

1235
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:14,520
 Thank you.

1236
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,520
 Okay.

1237
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,040
 And so does something like this go to the community?

1238
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:23,000
 Do you all connect with the community and say, "Community, we're going to be removing

1239
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,940
 your speed humps."

1240
01:26:24,940 --> 01:26:28,560
 If you want, we could update you back in those...

1241
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:34,240
 We don't have several of these devices only on select streets over the time that was put

1242
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,240
 in.

1243
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,240
 Okay.

1244
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,400
 But if you want, we could provide you an update for you or...

1245
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:39,400
 That would be great.

1246
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:40,400
 Okay.

1247
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,400
 I appreciate that.

1248
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:46,740
 Background information on stakeholders for safety and mobility.

1249
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:47,920
 I know we have all of that.

1250
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,000
 We have speed humps.

1251
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,400
 We have the fire department, all of that, all that goes together.

1252
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,040
 This is just for the folks that are out there.

1253
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,040
 Okay.

1254
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,040
 Anything else we need to know in this regard?

1255
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:03,040
 Stands on fire, marshal, transportation, design.

1256
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,040
 Okay.

1257
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,040
 Well, it sounds like we're doing good.

1258
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,240
 We've got a chance to take a look at that just for the community.

1259
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,160
 We've received this information ahead of time, got a chance to take a look at that.

1260
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,980
 Just wanted to give you an opportunity to speak on that.

1261
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:20,680
 So we have some attachments.

1262
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:21,680
 Here is the...

1263
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,680
 Back.

1264
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,680
 That's the way we need to look at it.

1265
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:24,680
 Can we...

1266
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:25,680
 Who's going through that?

1267
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,680
 There was one more thing.

1268
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,680
 Oh, you have one more thing.

1269
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:28,680
 Oh, there's one more thing on that document.

1270
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,680
 What?

1271
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:30,680
 Right down here?

1272
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:31,680
 Yeah, that...

1273
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:32,680
 That's right.

1274
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:33,680
 The numbers there.

1275
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:44,280
 Oh, we can have someone come and talk to us about the index of cost of crash fatalities

1276
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,680
 and serious injuries.

1277
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:55,800
 This cost index is provided by...

1278
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:02,440
 Is developed by TextDOT and is a typical...

1279
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:07,520
 It's not rooting from a federal document or federal standard because they have not updated

1280
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:08,520
 that yet.

1281
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,280
 They still have in 2019.

1282
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,120
 So this is the latest that we have from TextDOT.

1283
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:21,200
 And apparently, the cost of fatality, crash fatalities and severe incapacitating injuries,

1284
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,360
 they are pretty much same.

1285
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,120
 And then it boils down to a large number.

1286
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:35,680
 If we go into the aggregate level estimates, it reaches beyond, I would say, the cost could

1287
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:44,000
 go in more than close to a billion dollar if we aggregate total costs.

1288
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,000
 If you have any questions, I can address.

1289
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000
 Yes, ma'am?

1290
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,640
 I have a comment.

1291
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:49,640
 When I saw these numbers...

1292
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,400
 So I've seen the 2019 federal numbers and every year I go look up on the TextDOT crash

1293
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:59,280
 database, I'll go pull all of our crashes, fatalities, all that and add those up.

1294
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,360
 So I like to add things up when I see these.

1295
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,720
 So when I saw this this morning, I went to the TextDOT crash database and I pulled the

1296
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:14,080
 number of fatal crashes, incapacitating injuries and not incapacitating for Denton in 2023.

1297
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,920
 And I added it all up.

1298
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,400
 And this doesn't include just crashes, which cost people money, too, even if they're not

1299
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,400
 injured.

1300
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:28,160
 So just including injuries, it was in 2023 in the city of Denton was 518 million.

1301
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:33,760
 So almost a half billion dollars, or actually more than a half billion dollars in injuries

1302
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,180
 every year that we're having in Denton.

1303
01:29:35,180 --> 01:29:37,160
 So that does not include fatalities.

1304
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,240
 Oh, I included fatalities in that.

1305
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:40,240
 You did include fatalities.

1306
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,240
 Yeah.

1307
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:42,240
 So that's just these three.

1308
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,600
 That does not include just crashes or maybe nobody was injured.

1309
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,040
 So half a billion every single year.

1310
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:57,160
 So in this minor differentiating factor is welfare costs later on, the community costs.

1311
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:02,320
 So that's why I said a billion dollars, roughly, because when I look into aggregate cost levels,

1312
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,720
 this is what it entails.

1313
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:05,720
 Right.

1314
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,540
 But I mean, just that basically I'm low balling it there.

1315
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:13,440
 So if you take that number and you assume we're a population of one hundred and fifty

1316
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,360
 thousand, I don't know what our estimates are at this point.

1317
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:20,760
 So I did one hundred and fifty because I wasn't sure.

1318
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:25,840
 So that's about three thousand five hundred dollars per Denton resident annually.

1319
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,520
 So then I said, OK, so we often look at the cost of congestion.

1320
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:36,120
 And I found in twenty twenty three a study from INRIX looked at DFW drivers.

1321
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:41,760
 And so they're being through congestion or paying about nine hundred fifty three or nine

1322
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:46,920
 hundred fifty three dollars annually versus injuries just in city of Denton.

1323
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:51,640
 We're looking at thirty five hundred dollars per person annually.

1324
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:56,920
 And so we're putting a lot of money towards fixing congestion when really we're losing

1325
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:02,080
 more costs to injuries and traffic crashes than we are to lost time and congestion.

1326
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,000
 We're losing a lot more money to injuries than lost time and congestion, but more of

1327
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,080
 our money is going towards fixing congestion, not reducing injuries.

1328
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,240
 I just kind of wanted to make that point.

1329
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,200
 It seems like they're all wanting the same, though.

1330
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:25,120
 I mean, the congestion seems like it contributes to the injury in the simplest term.

1331
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:32,320
 So we've got to relieve ourselves of the type of congestion that leads to these injuries

1332
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:40,620
 or are these injuries just across the board on a variety of type of of roads and typically

1333
01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:49,360
 typically, you know, traffic condition would drive to get into fender benders because of

1334
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,680
 the condition, because of slower speed, relatively slow speeds.

1335
01:31:52,680 --> 01:32:00,600
 And these fatalities and serious incapacitating injuries are high impact, high velocity locations

1336
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,640
 and usually off peak hours.

1337
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:10,840
 You know, within our city, we don't have many spaces that we can do.

1338
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,800
 I mean, I don't know what the speed rate is that's considered high speed.

1339
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,960
 I don't know if it's 40 miles per hour is considered the high speed where you get the

1340
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,600
 numbers wrong.

1341
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:28,520
 But most of our high speed areas are not even city roads.

1342
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:35,320
 They're county, oh, they're county and state roads, are we are we at those numbers are

1343
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,320
 adding up?

1344
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:37,320
 Please.

1345
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:43,600
 Well, I think I think to Susie's point, and again, so we don't get too far off track here.

1346
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,760
 When we're going through the Vision Zero piece, that's exactly why we're doing that.

1347
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:53,320
 So we're going to look at how it is that we reduce injuries, fatalities, accidents.

1348
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,540
 And so this will all be part of that.

1349
01:32:56,540 --> 01:33:01,360
 So appreciate the information know that we are working to really to focus our efforts

1350
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,760
 on how we reduce all of those types of things.

1351
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:09,240
 Again, transportation services will be highly focused on all of the things we've talked

1352
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,640
 about here today and to continue to make those improvements.

1353
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,640
 Okay.

1354
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:14,640
 Okay.

1355
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,760
 Thank you, sir.

1356
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,680
 And then we'll go to future items for mobility committee meeting.

1357
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:30,920
 We have any, any cleanups anything you want to take off the list, but on the list.

1358
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,760
 Talk about bike racks, bollards.

1359
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:43,000
 I'm particularly concerned about bollards, but you know, it's not a it's not an emergency

1360
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,000
 concern.

1361
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,000
 Yes, sir.

1362
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,440
 No, I was fine with that.

1363
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:51,720
 But I was going to ask, you know, we had the bike rack, sort of basics.

1364
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:57,280
 So I'm okay with removing that, but I would like, you know, and I don't think there's

1365
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:05,440
 generally any barriers for something coming back, but as we get more, I don't want there

1366
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:10,400
 to be any barriers to having that reporting coming back as you know, as these initiatives

1367
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,920
 move forward, I don't expect there would be any barriers.

1368
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,800
 So I feel like, you know, yeah, we probably can't take that one off.

1369
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:24,600
 But I just want to make sure that for for that one in particular, just because there's

1370
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:30,360
 more information expected that, you know, we encourage that information in the future.

1371
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,600
 And again, the same with speed cushions.

1372
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,560
 I think the other one is, is pretty much done.

1373
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,600
 Speed cushions and bike racks.

1374
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,240
 Anything else for you?

1375
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,800
 In terms of just taking stuff off in terms of taking things off there, we can look at

1376
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,300
 their recommendations.

1377
01:34:47,300 --> 01:34:53,440
 So we're talking about number six, taking off number four, taking off, we've heard from

1378
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:59,040
 all of that in the number one, that's going to leave our bollards are cross concerns between

1379
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:05,040
 Ryan high and dollar general traffic calming measures on green with that one might be able

1380
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,520
 to be taken off as well, right?

1381
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,840
 Talked about that a little bit, are you all okay with removing that?

1382
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:19,720
 Greenwood Greenwood number four, I mean, number five, they've given us, they've updated us

1383
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:25,720
 this take off number five, and then we'll go to citywide downtown parking study that's

1384
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:35,280
 gonna stay quarterly construction report that's gonna stay DCT a presentation we looking looking

1385
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:41,960
 forward to the DCT a presentation, is that going to be presented to us at the city council

1386
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,840
 meeting or is it, are they coming here to the mobility committee.

1387
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:51,440
 How are you all scheduling us, oh, they're gonna come here.

1388
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:58,520
 And then we have the quarterly transportation services division report from a CMO office

1389
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,520
 that's just kind of stays on.

1390
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:08,200
 So what do you all think about the removal of their recommendation to remove the good

1391
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:09,200
 question.

1392
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:10,200
 We got a question.

1393
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,640
 Did we need to act on so we received recommendations on two presentations today did we need to

1394
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,480
 act on those like a motion or.

1395
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:18,480
 No.

1396
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:23,240
 Okay, this information, just information should separate information only.

1397
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:29,040
 Yes, can this committee provide, I'm like, this is a legitimate question counsel is direction

1398
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,040
 versus votes.

1399
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:38,120
 I don't know about the role of this committee, directions versus actual action items can

1400
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:46,000
 can someone speak to that whether we should provide direction, because there wasn't really

1401
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,240
 a vote asked for.

1402
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:56,960
 I'm not trying to get us bound up I'm just trying to make sure we do it properly.

1403
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:04,160
 I guess, to that question, the posting would govern an action item if, if it was posted

1404
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:10,200
 as such to take an action if you wanted to maybe propose an action.

1405
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:16,760
 I think you can not on this I'm not I'm not saying the posting would govern that that's

1406
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:17,760
 my answer.

1407
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,160
 Okay, that's what I'm not saying this post.

1408
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:24,640
 I'm saying the posting would govern any action that you would take.

1409
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:31,240
 So in this case, if I could restate a little bit, because that those prior items were not

1410
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:36,760
 posted for action if we wanted to take action and provide some sort of direction now in

1411
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:43,080
 the matrix or in the next section, concluding items either one of those locations would

1412
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,760
 be the time to do that.

1413
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:54,720
 Depending on the topic I think the topic which is state what you want to happen, and then

1414
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,800
 the board would take it up and up or down voted up or down.

1415
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,760
 If I'm actually, did you I'm sorry I'm taking the chair's role I was just saying that her,

1416
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,040
 I was following up from Susie and that was a, if you if you have particular actions you

1417
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:12,120
 want to take them, let's, let's do a recommendation.

1418
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:16,040
 Did y'all did y'all want to take action on any of them.

1419
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:21,080
 I don't know if they were necessarily actionable items in terms of the recommendations, but

1420
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:25,020
 I guess, let me just, I guess, clean it up.

1421
01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:29,000
 It would be a future in this, in this, in this instance, you would be adding something

1422
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:37,480
 to the agenda item, or you're asking staff to add it for a future agenda to do something.

1423
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:38,480
 And do we want to do that.

1424
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:46,680
 But, and I guess, in this instance, like, the way that we run it from here is, you say

1425
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,280
 what you want to do and take it.

1426
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,920
 So that's how it runs.

1427
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:57,760
 And just to throw another piece in this and I think what Susie was asking and I'm not

1428
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:02,260
 speaking on your behalf I just think I understood it this way.

1429
01:39:02,260 --> 01:39:06,780
 This was not crafted for any action to be taken by this body.

1430
01:39:06,780 --> 01:39:14,000
 So we were providing the information did hear at least a recommendation for the four items

1431
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:20,720
 to be removed from the matrix, with the exception on item number one to continue to report back

1432
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,380
 was the ask, which again would be appropriate in concluding items that we continue to report

1433
01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:28,440
 back on the bike rack initiative.

1434
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:33,240
 Staffs going to continue to work through that as part of this report will be coming back

1435
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:38,600
 with other thoughts ideas recommendations through some of the strategies that that transportation

1436
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,240
 services working for.

1437
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:44,640
 So because they're removed from the matrix doesn't mean that we're done doing any work

1438
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,120
 there we're going to continue to work and report back.

1439
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:51,560
 So non action items on the agenda.

1440
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:57,840
 The motion or what I heard was, you know, the recommendation to follow staffs request

1441
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:02,520
 to remove these items from the matrix, and then the one added which was number five of

1442
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,120
 use of tracking copying measures to be removed.

1443
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,600
 So did that help, Susie?

1444
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,040
 Is that accurate?

1445
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:13,600
 So the recommendations we received into presentations today will just sort of happen.

1446
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,640
 Is that kind of we're going to continue we're going to continue to work through that.

1447
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:17,640
 Absolutely.

1448
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:18,640
 So no action needed.

1449
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:19,640
 No action.

1450
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:20,640
 Okay.

1451
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:21,640
 Good.

1452
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:22,640
 Thank you.

1453
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,600
 They're going to come back to us when it's time for us to be incorporated like the color

1454
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,080
 of the bike rack.

1455
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:30,080
 Correct.

1456
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:31,080
 Correct.

1457
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,960
 We're going to we're going to be making recommendations.

1458
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:38,840
 So today was not the thing to say for us to determine a color, but it may be contact sensitive.

1459
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,120
 So you heard the term contact sensitive, right.

1460
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,720
 And then you also heard that a business owner may want to have something different.

1461
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:49,200
 So we'll come back with whatever our recommendations would be just to kind of edit through here

1462
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:54,380
 and some of this may have to go up through into council, whatever it is that we may create.

1463
01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:55,820
 So don't know what that is.

1464
01:40:55,820 --> 01:40:58,680
 As of now, we'll continue report back.

1465
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:06,160
 And you know, with that being said, the quality DCTA presentation to the committee, you know,

1466
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,360
 at some point, they were coming to us routinely.

1467
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:14,960
 And then it was moved that they would go to directly to the council.

1468
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:19,320
 And now I'm noticed recognizing that it's back here.

1469
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:25,720
 So for them to come back and address us, that is where the this is where this question comes

1470
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:34,800
 in as to if we would like the city to work with DCTA on a particular thing or item or

1471
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:41,520
 an action item that will come here and then it has to go back to the to the council for

1472
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:51,040
 approval or do they work directly from here with us and then report back to us rather

1473
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,040
 than council.

1474
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:58,480
 So how are you all doing, how are you all working with DCTA for months because it was

1475
01:41:58,480 --> 01:41:59,480
 here.

1476
01:41:59,480 --> 01:42:00,480
 Then it wasn't here.

1477
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:01,480
 Oh, sorry.

1478
01:42:01,480 --> 01:42:02,480
 And now it's back.

1479
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:03,480
 We're not.

1480
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:04,480
 We're not for that.

1481
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:05,480
 Okay.

1482
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:06,480
 We're not posted for that.

1483
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:08,680
 So that is what is in the atmosphere right now.

1484
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:09,680
 It's in the universe.

1485
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:17,720
 I put it out there, but it says quarterly DCTA presentation to the committee.

1486
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:22,880
 Well, that we have so we have we have what it is that these are items of interest for

1487
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:27,160
 future staff report updates, agenda item presentation.

1488
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:33,720
 So this is going to occur and it's coming to you on July 31st.

1489
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:34,720
 Right.

1490
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,200
 And so that's what's going to happen.

1491
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:41,160
 If there's interest to add something, then that's this is the time to if you're going

1492
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,440
 to add something or ask staff to do something.

1493
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:50,880
 But otherwise we're not we're not changing or creating what hierarchy DCTA reports to

1494
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,480
 the city.

1495
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:57,080
 So is that is that where we come down here to concluding items and that's something that

1496
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:02,480
 I can put in there as if there is an ask of this committee of staff, then staff can come

1497
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,400
 back to you and present.

1498
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:09,400
 What do you all think about that DCTA presenting?

1499
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:14,960
 I know it's not am I missing up when I ask these what do we want to do in that regard?

1500
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:22,160
 I think or I just think you need to just ask staff to present what the process is.

1501
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,160
 Is that the question?

1502
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,160
 Yeah, we is.

1503
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:25,160
 That's the question.

1504
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:26,160
 I think what is the process?

1505
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:33,320
 That's what we want to ask or discussion on that discussion on DCTA reporting to Mobility

1506
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:41,680
 Committee and Council or Mobility Committee or Council.

1507
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:45,680
 That's that's the clarification I need.

1508
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,560
 Yes, I would like to go first on this one.

1509
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,560
 Thank you.

1510
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:56,400
 As as a non council member on this committee, I am okay with it just being City Council.

1511
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,120
 Otherwise it's kind of redundant for both of I'm sorry.

1512
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:02,120
 So the discussion on this is there's not okay.

1513
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:07,360
 There's no discussion on the contents of what's happening.

1514
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:12,400
 What you're asking for is information to come back the next time so it can be posted and

1515
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:13,400
 then be discussed.

1516
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,720
 Okay, that's what we need.

1517
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:21,480
 And let me add one piece in Cassie has asked that this come before this body.

1518
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:22,800
 That's why they're presenting here.

1519
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:29,800
 So I don't know and probably at that meeting after it's presented, you can have that conversation

1520
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:34,320
 if need be so and certainly you can visit with Cassie offline.

1521
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,480
 So, so I think I can solve this.

1522
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:38,480
 Okay.

1523
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:41,880
 You know, I'm channeling my inner Paul Meltzer on that one.

1524
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:47,560
 So how about an action item that can be incorporated with the current one or a separate one.

1525
01:44:47,560 --> 01:45:01,000
 I'm requesting that the process by which the CTA information is presented to the city oversight

1526
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:06,800
 boards is addressed in some future meeting and it can be this one.

1527
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,760
 I will say as part as part of this staff will make sure that we're incorporating we don't

1528
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,080
 need to add an item.

1529
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:19,320
 So that duly duly noted not go back to that I think we have the four items that the four

1530
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:21,640
 items that were requested to be removed.

1531
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,280
 I don't know that we finalized whether that was going to occur.

1532
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:28,720
 So just to take us back to center of where we started this yet for items that you were

1533
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:30,040
 looking to be removed.

1534
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:36,640
 I know that that you know Brian Beck had provided the indication that he was supportive.

1535
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,760
 I just don't know that you concluded that we're supportive.

1536
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:40,760
 Okay.

1537
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:41,760
 Thank you.

1538
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:42,760
 Okay.

1539
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:43,760
 Any other.

1540
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:44,760
 Is there any other new items?

1541
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:45,760
 Is there any other new items?

1542
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:46,760
 Yeah.

1543
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:47,760
 This one we add stuff.

1544
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:48,760
 Yeah.

1545
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:49,760
 This one we add.

1546
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,760
 I think we add stuff right here.

1547
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:52,760
 Okay.

1548
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:53,760
 Yes.

1549
01:45:53,760 --> 01:46:02,640
 I'd like us to have a future discussion over how we can be more strategic as a committee

1550
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,160
 in the discussions we have in this committee.

1551
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:11,040
 So right now you know having been on this for a few months it kind of feels like it's

1552
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:15,320
 just based on we see a problem, we ask about it, we see a problem, we ask about it.

1553
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:20,040
 We have this mobility plan out there and I haven't really seen that brought up that often

1554
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:21,520
 like how are we doing on that?

1555
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,000
 How does this problem fit into that?

1556
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:28,140
 So it feels kind of like we're more in the weeds when I'd like us to have a discussion

1557
01:46:28,140 --> 01:46:30,480
 about do we want to kind of stay in the weeds?

1558
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:37,040
 Do we want to be a little more strategic, talk a little more broadly like what values

1559
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:42,440
 are we looking at like quality of life, safety, efficient use of city resources, things like

1560
01:46:42,440 --> 01:46:43,440
 that.

1561
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:47,840
 Just kind of talking about on this committee how do we want to be tackling things?

1562
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,080
 Kind of big picture or do we want to be down in the weeds?

1563
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,800
 Do we want to be tying into big ideas or kind of doing what we're doing?

1564
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,480
 So just kind of having a discussion about what that looks like.

1565
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:57,480
 Okay.

1566
01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:58,480
 Yes sir.

1567
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:01,160
 Ironically just I think it's a fabulous idea.

1568
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:05,880
 Staff has been working through that so if staff can present kind of what a strategic

1569
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:11,920
 plan might look like sometime maybe August, September.

1570
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,560
 And we do that annually anyway we go back and take a look.

1571
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:21,080
 I just happen to be on this committee for you know my time.

1572
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:27,000
 And so I know that that is something that does occur but then we still have to you know

1573
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,040
 we still have gone back to tackle some of those.

1574
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:32,960
 Some of these things are like engaged in types.

1575
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,000
 Oh yeah for sure.

1576
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:42,080
 And so and I recognize that but that's just the makeup right now of the committee's responsibilities.

1577
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:49,480
 So if you want to work with if we want to work with our staff to elevate that in some

1578
01:47:49,480 --> 01:47:53,280
 kind of way to meet her questions.

1579
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,040
 You know how often do we do that?

1580
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,480
 Is that every meeting?

1581
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:03,520
 You know we'll have to look at restructuring again if that's what you're looking for.

1582
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:04,520
 Thank you.

1583
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:05,520
 Yes sir.

1584
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:13,280
 Yeah no I was going to say I would support I hear a slight distinction from what was

1585
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:22,360
 requested as a future item and item for discussion on the sort of large policy role of the committee

1586
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:28,560
 versus what I heard the response was and everybody correct me if I'm paraphrasing wrong and that

1587
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:34,480
 was this is staff's vision for mobility planning.

1588
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:43,160
 I see daylight between those two and so I would support even just a brief discussion

1589
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:50,760
 about how this committee envisions its role and staff can do with that as it would but

1590
01:48:50,760 --> 01:49:00,840
 I would support a future action item to discuss the role in the larger picture of this committee.

1591
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:06,200
 If I think that's a good paraphrase of Susie's request I would support that as a future action

1592
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:07,200
 item.

1593
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:13,880
 I don't know the particular time but not forever because you'll get out past the mobility planning

1594
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:15,760
 if you're not careful.

1595
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,800
 So that would be something I would support.

1596
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:24,400
 But I think if I'm correct Ben don't we have to have unanimous agreement because there's

1597
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,400
 only three of us here.

1598
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:34,720
 If you're talking about policy is that what you're.

1599
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:39,120
 This is a request for an item on the matrix.

1600
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:43,480
 I think you can have a majority here.

1601
01:49:43,480 --> 01:49:48,760
 Staff is supportive and would already be bringing that forward and you paraphrased sort of close

1602
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:54,800
 so I'm closer to Susie than I am to you so we're good we're good.

1603
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:55,800
 We'll bring that forward.

1604
01:49:55,800 --> 01:50:00,520
 Okay thank you very much we certainly appreciate you all's hard work.

1605
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:04,560
 Please don't think that we're not appreciative of anything that you all do.

1606
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,320
 We're very supportive of you all in your work your hard work.

1607
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:11,840
 Everybody sitting over there thank you very much for the from the community.

1608
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,160
 Do we have any concluding items.

1609
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:20,520
 Well if you don't have any concluding items then we are going to close out the meeting

1610
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:22,680
 at eleven fifty one.

1611
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,760
 Thank you all very much for being here.

1612
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:26,080
 Thank you all.