WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.480 Good morning. 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:10.960 We have a quorum and so I'm going to call this early morning edition of the mobility 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:14.280 committee to order. 00:00:14.280 --> 00:00:18.920 Our first item, item A, is consider the approval of the minutes for the meeting held July 9, 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:19.920 2019. 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:20.920 I'll entertain a motion. 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:25.240 I have no choice but to second. 00:00:25.240 --> 00:00:26.240 All in favor? 00:00:26.240 --> 00:00:27.240 Aye. 00:00:27.240 --> 00:00:31.180 Let's move on to item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Texas Department 00:00:31.180 --> 00:01:01.140 transportation on system projects in the Denton area. 00:01:01.140 --> 00:01:02.140 Thank you. 00:01:02.140 --> 00:01:07.780 My name is John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions, Incorporated and we'll get started 00:01:07.780 --> 00:01:11.260 on the project list of on-system projects. 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:15.980 We have some very good news towards the end or the middle, I guess, we can share with 00:01:15.980 --> 00:01:17.740 you today. 00:01:17.740 --> 00:01:21.340 The total cost of the projects that we're looking at has been updated. 00:01:21.340 --> 00:01:27.380 We're now at just under two and a half billion dollars worth of projects that are on our 00:01:27.380 --> 00:01:31.420 action item list. 00:01:31.420 --> 00:01:37.020 So that's up about 300 million from the last time you saw this project. 00:01:37.020 --> 00:01:45.620 2181, while there is no official information on the start date, we do have additional information 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:54.540 related to some conversations that Assurity is having with Zachary and so we're looking 00:01:54.540 --> 00:02:01.500 at maybe knowing something about a start date sometime in the late September, early October 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:03.700 time frame. 00:02:03.700 --> 00:02:10.180 And unfortunately, probably what that means is that TechStat will give back to the Assurity 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:15.100 all of the days in the contract, which will extend the time it takes to get the project 00:02:15.100 --> 00:02:21.820 completed but it will get the project started. 00:02:21.820 --> 00:02:26.420 So good news, bad news, your Fort Worth drive continues to be under construction. 00:02:26.420 --> 00:02:33.020 We have the report from TechStat, SEMA has addressed some of the utility issues and they're 00:02:33.020 --> 00:02:42.180 now doing the pavement for the concrete pavement and they're starting from the frontage roads 00:02:42.180 --> 00:02:43.180 working south. 00:02:43.180 --> 00:02:48.940 So it will probably be another month or so before we have that intersection with the 00:02:48.940 --> 00:02:54.220 turn lane so the traffic can get out onto the frontage road a little quicker but that 00:02:54.220 --> 00:03:00.860 project is moving well and we had a fairly spirited mobility meeting the other day on 00:03:00.860 --> 00:03:03.660 System Task Force. 00:03:03.660 --> 00:03:07.180 Councilman Ryan, for whatever reason, started showing up so I've been getting a lot more 00:03:07.180 --> 00:03:09.260 better response out of your staff. 00:03:09.260 --> 00:03:12.500 I've been waiting all week to do that. 00:03:12.500 --> 00:03:16.100 Well, nice you showed up at least at that. 00:03:16.100 --> 00:03:23.620 Alright, your 35E Mayhill project, we had a good meeting with your development crew. 00:03:23.620 --> 00:03:31.620 There is a question about the James Wood right away impacts associated with the remainder 00:03:31.620 --> 00:03:40.540 and your development department met with us last week and was very helpful in giving us 00:03:40.540 --> 00:03:45.060 an opportunity to at least try to get out of about a million and a half dollar impact 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:50.940 that we'll have to pay on the James Wood site and it's pretty much consistent with your 00:03:50.940 --> 00:03:55.540 development review policies anyway so it looks like it's a win-win for everybody. 00:03:55.540 --> 00:03:59.100 So we continue to move forward on the right away acquisition on this project and it has 00:03:59.100 --> 00:04:09.540 a November 2020 let date and we are still on track to meet that date. 00:04:09.540 --> 00:04:13.500 Your Luke 28 Brinker project, I don't know if you've driven by there, they are now currently 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:23.980 putting the asphalt down for the southbound main lanes at the 288 section, it's still 00:04:23.980 --> 00:04:31.060 shooting for a September time frame for the southbound Luke 288 exit to be permanent exit 00:04:31.060 --> 00:04:39.020 to be in place and then the Brinker underpass being open to traffic. 00:04:39.020 --> 00:04:41.900 It really depends on right now OHL. 00:04:41.900 --> 00:04:49.140 You may have already been in the process of answering but you said OHL and so for me I 00:04:49.140 --> 00:04:57.700 know that Brinker, Loop and Teasley and then the on ramp on Dallas Drive, those are all 00:04:57.700 --> 00:05:05.100 connected correct and so I as well as a lot of other council members and then things we've 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:10.780 passing off the staff have been getting several several comments and complaints and requests 00:05:10.780 --> 00:05:17.300 for Teasley and 288 and so why this slide is up here if you could talk about how these 00:05:17.300 --> 00:05:20.980 are all connected and at which point are they all going to open at the same time or will 00:05:20.980 --> 00:05:25.300 one open and then in a month later another will open because I know that they all depend 00:05:25.300 --> 00:05:27.860 upon each other some form or fashion. 00:05:27.860 --> 00:05:32.540 So the answer on Dallas Drive is Dallas Drive is one of the last things that opens because 00:05:32.540 --> 00:05:39.860 it opens when the 288 interchange is completed which is the last thing to be done but in 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:47.020 the next 45 days you're going to have the on ramp back in place for the mall so as you're 00:05:47.020 --> 00:05:52.620 going north you can get on without having to go up to Teasley. 00:05:52.620 --> 00:05:57.940 That will also fix the exit for the Dallas Drive from one two lanes to one. 00:05:57.940 --> 00:06:05.620 That same 45 day period the week we could open Brinker today from a geometric standpoint 00:06:05.620 --> 00:06:10.460 except there would have to be a stock condition on the frontage roads and the temporary off 00:06:10.460 --> 00:06:15.900 ramp comes and exits right at that location so it's a dangerous situation. 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:25.300 So once we get the same 45 day period the new southbound exit for loop 288 or just past 00:06:25.300 --> 00:06:31.500 loop 288 for Brinker and Mayhill let's exit the Mayhill exit move back north and so the 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:36.580 temporary goes away then the only thing left is the signal which is where I was fixing 00:06:36.580 --> 00:06:38.620 to go. 00:06:38.620 --> 00:06:43.220 We're ready to go on that the City of Dent's done everything they're supposed to do but 00:06:43.220 --> 00:06:51.300 OHL isn't shockingly isn't playing ball with us on it so they're the variable on that signal 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:57.980 so I think your staff is thinking that if it gets to push to shove don't let me misquote 00:06:57.980 --> 00:07:03.020 you all that there may be a way for you all to come in and help with the signal installation 00:07:03.020 --> 00:07:07.420 and I'll let somebody else amplify that. 00:07:07.420 --> 00:07:12.500 So obviously that's part of the contract for the OHL contractor but in interest to expedite 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:17.380 the intersection if we needed to that we have thrown the position out that we might be willing 00:07:17.380 --> 00:07:22.620 in to go in and install these signals if need be we're still working through that issue 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:26.540 that's absolutely something we're exploring and the impact of that from an in-house standpoint 00:07:26.540 --> 00:07:31.180 what would that mean in a way materials methods and getting the crews out there to actually 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:32.180 do that work. 00:07:32.180 --> 00:07:38.180 So in that same 45-day period what you'd also have is while they're still working underneath 00:07:38.180 --> 00:07:45.140 loop 288 for the main lanes you'd have both of your u-turns functional so a lot of traffic 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:50.780 that's trying to get to say Brinker and the Bucky side they can't cross here they go up 00:07:50.780 --> 00:07:57.660 sets through the light and turn and come through once we get those in the next 45 days to u-turns 00:07:57.660 --> 00:08:01.660 they'll be able to come up make the u-turn and come back south and not actually set through 00:08:01.660 --> 00:08:11.300 the light so you should start to see slight improvements over the horrible condition that's 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:16.300 out there in the next 45 days but the opening of Dallas Drive is probably the very last 00:08:16.300 --> 00:08:19.940 thing southbound that you'll see on this project. 00:08:19.940 --> 00:08:26.460 So just a recap and for clarification and you step in so within 45 days we will see 00:08:26.460 --> 00:08:34.860 at least one of these intersections improve or open and then possibly both of them. 00:08:34.860 --> 00:08:42.500 The asterisk is we're dealing with OHL but that's their schedule and they appear to be 00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:45.860 doing the things that they said they were going to do in order to make those things 00:08:45.860 --> 00:08:52.860 happen but I never want to be in the position to defend an OHL for anything but yes that's 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:57.260 what and Councilman Ryan was at the meeting we had a fairly spirited conversation about 00:08:57.260 --> 00:09:02.140 this whole issue. 00:09:02.140 --> 00:09:07.420 Your staff is very proactive trying to get things done in this area. 00:09:07.420 --> 00:09:11.180 I appreciate that they're very responsive when we get complaints and there's just a 00:09:11.180 --> 00:09:15.980 lot of frustration built up from the community right now from this area. 00:09:15.980 --> 00:09:21.300 Well that's the good news is right as we get this done we'll start doing the same thing 00:09:21.300 --> 00:09:22.300 to mail. 00:09:22.300 --> 00:09:28.740 I've got some more news for you too that's going to be same as the one. 00:09:28.740 --> 00:09:32.740 Yeah I was just going to say just another thing that came out of the meeting is the 00:09:32.740 --> 00:09:39.260 exit for Brinker that temporary exit will be down for about a week at least that a week 00:09:39.260 --> 00:09:45.260 is there what they're saying so again OHL works on football time so one week probably 00:09:45.260 --> 00:09:53.500 means three weeks but we're in order to get to Mayhill exit you will have to actually 00:09:53.500 --> 00:09:56.420 exit on 288 for that time period. 00:09:56.420 --> 00:10:08.020 Yes so what happens is thanks about that so you've got your temporary offer up here and 00:10:08.020 --> 00:10:13.460 your permanent is going to be here and so what they have to do in order to once they 00:10:13.460 --> 00:10:18.580 build the permanent they got to have that closed in time for them to remove the temporary 00:10:18.580 --> 00:10:24.060 so there will be a one week gap where if you want to get to Brinker or Mayhill coming from 00:10:24.060 --> 00:10:30.660 the south from the north you'll have to exit and come through the loop but at that point 00:10:30.660 --> 00:10:35.260 we should have two lanes of traffic on the frontage road to turn and two lanes to go 00:10:35.260 --> 00:10:41.700 through and the U-turns in place so we're hoping that we offset the pain with a little 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:49.600 bit of capacity but yes there will be a one week period where you won't be able to get 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:53.860 to Brinker or Mayhill from the north. 00:10:53.860 --> 00:10:57.700 To add to that staff will definitely look at the signal timings and add more green for 00:10:57.700 --> 00:11:04.780 that particular approach so that people are not stuck and back up all the way to the freeway. 00:11:04.780 --> 00:11:16.660 This is traffic engineering involved theory just like the curbs alright so that's pretty 00:11:16.660 --> 00:11:28.380 much what I just told you there 35E here's the news so the I-35E 3535W merge in next 00:11:28.380 --> 00:11:33.580 Thursday or whatever the fourth Thursday of the month is the draft unified transportation 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:39.140 plan shows this project being fully funded at three hundred and twenty million dollars 00:11:39.140 --> 00:11:44.540 so it was a little over what we thought and less than what I thought so this project is 00:11:44.540 --> 00:11:53.140 fully funded and it's looking for a hit date let date of January 2023 AECOM is doing the 00:11:53.140 --> 00:11:58.180 design even as we speak they were working on an interim and an ultimate and now they're 00:11:58.180 --> 00:12:05.900 just going straight for the ultimate so fully funded we got our money so that's additional 00:12:05.900 --> 00:12:15.020 lanes on 35W going north the weave merge issues with 35E resolved the frontage roads in place 00:12:15.020 --> 00:12:20.580 all the way to 77 your braided ramps in this area your improvements to the interchange 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:25.700 of 380 we're going to work with tech stack because the next project I got good news on 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:33.620 as well 1173 tie-in so we can fix this issue up here just north of look 288 which also 00:12:33.620 --> 00:12:45.780 includes half of the direct connect for loop 288 so 320 million it's draft right now but 00:12:45.780 --> 00:12:51.060 they've already published it to the public and they'll vote on it this coming next two 00:12:51.060 --> 00:12:56.580 weeks or Thursday whatever the fourth Thursday of the month is that's bumper bricks so when 00:12:56.580 --> 00:13:01.580 you say it's fully funded that's good news but is there is there a time limit to use 00:13:01.580 --> 00:13:09.380 those funds once a project is fully funded yes so these are these are not just text dollars 00:13:09.380 --> 00:13:14.620 they're clear lane funds and the clear lane funds the reason we were able to get the clear 00:13:14.620 --> 00:13:19.100 lanes funds is this project's already environmentally clear we're already doing the design and we're 00:13:19.100 --> 00:13:24.020 already acquiring the right-of-way so there's we that's what Todd and I were talking about 00:13:24.020 --> 00:13:29.540 the good news is this project is now fully funded the bad news is they're gonna want 00:13:29.540 --> 00:13:35.300 to hit that date as much as possible which means your Bonnie Bray improvements are now 00:13:35.300 --> 00:13:39.180 under the bubble just about to ask you when is that supposed to be done improvements are 00:13:39.180 --> 00:13:44.460 under the bubble and oh by the way if you've got any utilities in that corridor those are 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:51.120 under the bubble but I think Todd's been working with that preemptively so I might defer to 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.980 his wisdom if he wants to expect any of that yeah can you remind us when Bonnie Bray's 00:13:55.980 --> 00:14:02.900 gonna be all in place so the target for Bonnie Bray is to be complete by the end of 2022 00:14:02.900 --> 00:14:09.580 so we should be ahead there the challenge now is that Western has a very limited distance 00:14:09.580 --> 00:14:14.900 that it covers four lanes it goes from Jim Crystal down to FM 1515 which will also be 00:14:14.900 --> 00:14:19.620 under construction and not too distant future so what we've really got to find is a route 00:14:19.620 --> 00:14:27.740 that allows Western to operate under this scenario from 380 all the way down to 2449 00:14:27.740 --> 00:14:34.020 to be that relief route from north to south so as people enter into that merged construction 00:14:34.020 --> 00:14:39.460 zone they're going to be looking for alternative routes with all of this I-35 construction 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:44.740 going on all at the same time our concern is that Bonnie Bray will get overloaded so 00:14:44.740 --> 00:14:50.740 you really need that auxiliary bypass over off to the west which has not been our rate 00:14:50.740 --> 00:14:57.540 on our radar until now it was something you know this project had been 2026 in the time 00:14:57.540 --> 00:15:02.020 frame to start construction and it put us in a time frame bill allows more development 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:07.260 to come in potentially impact fees to build and West Park turds to help offset some of 00:15:07.260 --> 00:15:13.780 the costs in that area along with some other development going on south of FM 1515 help 00:15:13.780 --> 00:15:19.380 really push that arterial expansion but we may not have that luxury if we want to stay 00:15:19.380 --> 00:15:26.020 ahead of construction woes may necessitate that we start looking at some other alternatives 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:29.980 or as John and I were talking about potentially asking the state could you push that date 00:15:29.980 --> 00:15:35.260 back a year or two just so that we can figure out how we're going to handle this so we're 00:15:35.260 --> 00:15:41.700 exploring those alternatives John really wasn't aware that this came down quickly over the 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:47.300 last two weeks so we're all still adjusting to what are the impacts from a mobility standpoint 00:15:47.300 --> 00:15:51.940 and what are our options we're working on that but we don't we don't have all the answers 00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:59.820 just yet just to follow up on that and for a reminder that this section is the project 00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:06.860 that's going to help that 380 interchange right that backs up and it's so crazy so if we don't 00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:13.180 have to postpone it a year or two I would prefer not to do that I would so post not 00:16:13.180 --> 00:16:20.300 the right word typically okay you let the project on attrition drive it schedule a little 00:16:20.300 --> 00:16:26.380 further out so these dates are going to be target dates the tech stops gonna really really 00:16:26.380 --> 00:16:32.180 really try to hit but that typically means that they will slide some from what they think 00:16:32.180 --> 00:16:40.260 is this is a guess what these steps are going to take so we'll continue like I say I'm I've 00:16:40.260 --> 00:16:44.700 been around to that long time you got some pretty good horsepower in this room to get 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:50.420 this stuff done and I feel confident that we're up to the challenge is there a way to 00:16:50.420 --> 00:16:59.180 phase it so that the parts we want most happen sooner just like we did on the OHL job absolutely 00:16:59.180 --> 00:17:07.420 that wasn't what I meant once it's let the contractor has we could put stuff up front 00:17:07.420 --> 00:17:13.020 which what that's what we need to do we'll meet with the task force and as they're putting 00:17:13.020 --> 00:17:19.420 together the package we'll put in special provisions that you know like on 35 they couldn't 00:17:19.420 --> 00:17:23.820 when they were doing the AGL they couldn't do two consecutive interchanges at a time 00:17:23.820 --> 00:17:30.100 I mean there's things like that that we can do to try to to maximize the potential for 00:17:30.100 --> 00:17:36.420 getting mobility back in a quarter and minimize the congestion during construction that sounds 00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:42.980 good so 320 million projects fully funded now we're under the bubble for all kinds of 00:17:42.980 --> 00:17:52.500 stuff to get done now your 35 north project this one also has been funded at five hundred 00:17:52.500 --> 00:18:00.220 and forty six million dollars so you're talking about just under a billion dollars which to 00:18:00.220 --> 00:18:08.380 put that in perspective text that actual dollars in 35e was about 660 million the rest of it 00:18:08.380 --> 00:18:15.180 was RTR and TIFI alone so they've already got a higher investment in I-35 and the wishbone 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:19.940 and all these improvements here than they did in the section to the south so you're 00:18:19.940 --> 00:18:28.620 talking again this one's a little bit closer because we're we are we've been out there 00:18:28.620 --> 00:18:33.780 longer this project's been on the table forever and this was the one remember I've kept coming 00:18:33.780 --> 00:18:39.100 to you going the region did not fund this project because we're playing chicken with 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:43.980 Austin to who's going to fund it because they can't not fund this project and so this is 00:18:43.980 --> 00:18:51.860 now fully funded through clear lanes and category 12 funding so again this project is fully 00:18:51.860 --> 00:18:58.860 funded and we're on a tighter schedule here there's on the section to the south so that's 00:18:58.860 --> 00:19:08.660 what the bricks so without a manage lane or with this is recorded right without so can 00:19:08.660 --> 00:19:12.540 we just take a moment it's a little hard for me to put this all together like how does 00:19:12.540 --> 00:19:19.180 the timing then work you know and the impacts between this the wishbone and body break right 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:26.700 because this hits first and it's gonna back things up more right and there it is all right 00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:29.660 so the challenge is going to be it's what we've been talking about for a couple years 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:34.340 now the challenge is going to be when the 35 construction goes you're going to have 00:19:34.340 --> 00:19:38.900 a lot of changes in lanes you're going to have some traffic pushed over to frontage 00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:45.660 roads I mean it's going to be a variety of things so as pressure builds on the i-35 quarter 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:51.260 like you're seeing on i-35e right now going south consistently as you come into the brinker 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:58.860 road in the loop 288 area backs up every day all the way up to at least mccormick on sometimes 00:19:58.860 --> 00:20:03.140 other times it gets to fort worth drive it could go even further you're talking about 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:08.340 almost the exact same scenario everybody's trying to get two homes that are off of that 00:20:08.340 --> 00:20:13.580 university drive exit how do you provide provision for them to get around it as they're working 00:20:13.580 --> 00:20:20.140 the 380 interchange and try to make that better you're automatically gonna have folks using 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:24.900 their ways apps or whatever app they're using on their phone and it's going to drop them 00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:29.820 down pathways that provide the least amount of resistance so bonnie bray is going to be 00:20:29.820 --> 00:20:34.820 a key target for that but you know this is an even earlier time frame right we should 00:20:34.820 --> 00:20:41.020 still be the time frames we currently have with bonnie bray we would be complete with 00:20:41.020 --> 00:20:46.500 phase six so that's everything north of university drive that would be complete before summer 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:54.220 of 2022 so that's the date of september 20 let date of september 2022 basically means 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:59.380 that jay wouldn't probably start till the first quarter 2023 right because of the the 00:20:59.380 --> 00:21:04.540 mobilization and the bonding and the contracting it's usually 60 to 90 days before they come 00:21:04.540 --> 00:21:10.060 out and so the other special provisions we're going to try to add because of the dollar 00:21:10.060 --> 00:21:14.100 amount if we can combine these two that's good if not it doesn't matter because they're 00:21:14.100 --> 00:21:20.700 both fairly large is try to include in the special provisions of the same requirements 00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:26.620 on them that we had on agl to have a public relations firm and their whole job is to keep 00:21:26.620 --> 00:21:33.820 the corridor in the public involved in what's going on on a daily basis email alerts daily 00:21:33.820 --> 00:21:38.420 lane closures etc and stuff like that that's that's all good i just want to if i can just 00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:45.300 kind of want to get the big picture of the sequencing so so we get the northern part 00:21:45.300 --> 00:21:49.580 of bonnie bray in place then that hits then we get the southern part of bonnie bray in 00:21:49.580 --> 00:21:56.420 place then the wishbone construction hits that more or less the the big picture that 00:21:56.420 --> 00:22:01.020 was our original timeline for bonnie bray was to come back and do phase four and five 00:22:01.020 --> 00:22:07.620 once six is in place which is that segment between 35e and 380 we're not going to have 00:22:07.620 --> 00:22:14.900 that luxury going forward so where we're potentially going with the 2019 bond schedule would be 00:22:14.900 --> 00:22:20.380 all of bonnie bray under construction over the next two and a half years so that we are 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:25.140 ahead of this schedule and bonnie bray is done before it takes that were to kick off 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:31.760 the 35 construction john you had points just a couple of points one is there's there's 00:22:31.760 --> 00:22:36.220 crossover between this project and the other that you see this one runs from 380 north 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:40.460 and the other one goes all the way up to 77 so you really only have four months difference 00:22:40.460 --> 00:22:45.020 between the start dates one is september of 22 and one is january yeah good point the 00:22:45.020 --> 00:22:48.700 wishbone that we were going after we were going after under the assumption that we wouldn't 00:22:48.700 --> 00:22:54.580 get the funding for this so we do have the funding for both so the limits are actually 00:22:54.580 --> 00:23:04.260 wishbone to 380 380 to the county line from a csj or project standpoint but we're reporting 00:23:04.260 --> 00:23:10.340 it because it's all one giant project so so you're going to do that northern part twice 00:23:10.340 --> 00:23:25.940 well wouldn't be the first time this is recorded right okay all right and so your 35 w main 00:23:25.940 --> 00:23:32.820 lanes again this is hntv text i've picked them up to do the ultimate improvements from 00:23:32.820 --> 00:23:40.300 the wishbone where we leave off all the way down to the kyan with tarrant county and and 00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:51.380 so a little bit more nuance on the managed lanes on the on the section in the 35e project 00:23:51.380 --> 00:23:59.900 in this area there will be the addition of because there are managed lanes proposed so 00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:05.260 city of dentons not really have any managed lanes they in the interim they stopped in 00:24:05.260 --> 00:24:10.620 the lake cities right but in the ultimate project there are managed lanes through the 00:24:10.620 --> 00:24:16.620 city of denton and they narrow down to a single lane in each direction coming north because 00:24:16.620 --> 00:24:21.540 the lane balance and they pick up and have two lanes in this area going north and two 00:24:21.540 --> 00:24:30.380 lanes coming south from 380 so in the ultimate improvements they will build the area for 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:33.760 the managed lanes and so if i don't know if you've even noticed it when you go across 00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:41.380 the bridge over 407 going south that bridge is built for four lanes of managed lanes two 00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:46.020 in each direction they just simply have a barricaded off right now because we're only 00:24:46.020 --> 00:24:53.100 using one lane in each direction i mean two lanes contraflow so we will be building the 00:24:53.100 --> 00:25:01.380 ultimate managed lanes for this section of 35e and 35 as were per the plans that were 00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:08.200 environmentally cleared so when you get to and there will be no managed lanes in this 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:15.740 segment however we're building it as a rural cross section rural cross section has the 00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:25.020 same footprint as an urban plus or minus urban cross section with managed lanes so we're 00:25:25.020 --> 00:25:35.900 leaving that option in the future although the proposal here is for a rural freeway so 00:25:35.900 --> 00:25:43.480 then you get to 35w again it was started out its life as a managed lane project three two 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:50.420 two three three general purpose two managed lanes two managed lanes three general purpose 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:56.860 but in the political environment we found ourselves in we we converted it in the last 00:25:56.860 --> 00:26:03.020 mobility plan to a rural freeway so it's just three three but in a larger footprint from 00:26:03.020 --> 00:26:10.100 a right away standpoint to preserve the corridor so that's what they're doing on this job the 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:18.620 critical path time frame is a schematic approval because that ties into this project where 00:26:18.620 --> 00:26:24.700 we're doing the frontage roads and and what communities along this corridor need right 00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:31.100 now more than main lanes is frontage roads because you can't develop without them and 00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:36.840 so if you see what's going on in this section to the south where we're adding frontage roads 00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:42.580 as development comes in you're already seeing a significant amount of development it's actually 00:26:42.580 --> 00:26:47.460 one under the knife before we even got these projects finished so the intent is to have 00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:53.240 frontage roads continuous frontage roads from tarrant counting all the way to that project 00:26:53.240 --> 00:27:00.980 that we just showed you that's fully funded now and this one is you know 300 million bucks 00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:07.320 and it's got a what they call ready to let of 2023 which means all the right of ways 00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:13.300 acquired and utilities are relocated but that's that's a tall order counselor bricks is this 00:27:13.300 --> 00:27:20.980 the and the area where this committee made the decision regarding vintage and how this 00:27:20.980 --> 00:27:28.220 freeway is going to exit or are not yet so yes ma'am in where 2449 comes in right around 00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:37.740 in here I believe we only have grade separations or direct connects I mean from the west to 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:43.580 the north and the west to the south there's no vintage grade separations that allow you 00:27:43.580 --> 00:27:47.980 to free flow onto the freeway you're gonna have to come to the box stop at a light and 00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:56.140 then go and that was because when we drew out the direct connects to go tie into vintage 00:27:56.140 --> 00:28:02.460 it went significantly into the neighborhoods and it essentially would have turned vintage 00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:10.980 into a a arterial loop and I don't think y'all were interested in that so we just chopped 00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:16.380 off the direct connects and it's a physical stop at a light for vintage but if you're 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:23.860 coming from 2449 it's a free flow north and a free flow south on the 35 w that's your 00:28:23.860 --> 00:28:28.620 question yeah well I just wanted to update I don't know if you were hearing you any of 00:28:28.620 --> 00:28:33.980 that from that conversation yeah so this is y'all do a lot of work on body brave vintage 00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:42.220 and what that will encourage is you know easy flow but if you put a mondo direct connect 00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:46.100 interchange which looks you know pretty much something like that what crosses that it would 00:28:46.100 --> 00:28:51.860 make it easier for people to use that as a cut through as opposed to going home and so 00:28:51.860 --> 00:28:56.900 all we did was cut the eastern half of the direct connect off so that you can only go 00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:05.980 north and south from the west or west from the north and south and again this project 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:11.500 we're looking at 2023 to be ready to let they're put it out at 2025 because it's not funded 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:17.780 right now and that's just right outside the window that they have to play with but we're 00:29:17.780 --> 00:29:23.980 moving and so once this project is environmentally cleared after the march 2020 and we get the 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:29.020 schematic set what we'll do then is we'll come in if there's a development in this area 00:29:29.020 --> 00:29:32.820 that needs frontage then we'll just do like we did in the south we'll just build certain 00:29:32.820 --> 00:29:39.560 sections because once it's clear we can build whatever part we want so it may not be built 00:29:39.560 --> 00:29:47.780 consecutively as a 300 million dollar job it may be three or four you know 75 million 00:29:47.780 --> 00:29:59.420 hundred million dollar jobs 380 east okay so these two we're probably at some point 00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:03.260 in the near future going to break these out into two different projects because text that's 00:30:03.260 --> 00:30:08.620 saying this project is going to be ready to go to construction faster than this section 00:30:08.620 --> 00:30:14.020 is and they have a cash flow issue we have to spend some money but remember what I told 00:30:14.020 --> 00:30:19.660 you there's all this money and all of it's sitting in Dallas County and Collin County 00:30:19.660 --> 00:30:23.660 but if they can't get their act together they still have to spend the money and so this 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:28.900 segment although it's fully funded this segment is going to be ready faster and they have 00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:34.140 to be able to spend some of that money in that let month so they're talking about working 00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:40.580 with us to build the green section sooner than the blue because they need to spend the 00:30:40.580 --> 00:30:49.380 money well that section includes sidewalks sidewalks and Europe and the staff did the 00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:58.300 trail on that absolutely so February 2021 there may be a date that you're going to see 00:30:58.300 --> 00:31:03.580 on next mobilities where this is broken out and you'll have an earlier date for the green 00:31:03.580 --> 00:31:10.220 segment which is literally right around the corner so you won't be able to go south you 00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:16.980 won't be able to go north and you won't be able to go east stay home go yet West young 00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:29.300 man Luke 288 again this is a kind of where we were talking about a moment ago the direct 00:31:29.300 --> 00:31:34.100 connects stop on the western side and they don't tie into vintage there's full interchanges 00:31:34.100 --> 00:31:40.900 and direct connects at the existing loop 288 we are looking at April 2020 environmental 00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:46.940 clients will allow us to move forward on this schedule this is a lot longer schedule what 00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:51.340 they typically put in when they're guessing but because of the gas wells in this area 00:31:51.340 --> 00:31:57.120 and more importantly the transmission lines in this corridor they have experienced difficulty 00:31:57.120 --> 00:32:02.460 in this environment before so they're using those dates schedules for the process of getting 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:08.580 through those two steps the right away in acquisition which pushes your your project 00:32:08.580 --> 00:32:15.780 that now with 35 being focused on now the district is the one that's been pushing the 00:32:15.780 --> 00:32:21.060 loop for a long time so we feel fairly confident that you know as these projects get closer 00:32:21.060 --> 00:32:29.700 to their maturation that we'll find the where's the dollar amount oh there it is we'll we'll 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:42.140 find the 253 million bucks we need to build the project and then FM 1515 we're having 00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:51.900 a public meeting in August 29 on improvements here it will show a traffic circle into the 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:59.140 airport and buzzes back in town from Colorado so he says it's going to show a traffic circle 00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:08.580 or what do you call it at Western and we're moving forward the schedule to you know be 00:33:08.580 --> 00:33:15.260 ready to let in a couple years and it's 32 million bucks which sounds like a lot but 00:33:15.260 --> 00:33:20.460 it's not and I think once we're get the project environmentally cleared we won't be long there 00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:26.220 after to find the funds because again you the city is entering in an MOU with text out 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:31.220 for certain projects where once they're fully constructed to your desires we'll take them 00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:36.500 off system and turn them into a local street and text up once that as much as you all want 00:33:36.500 --> 00:33:44.120 it so we feel fairly confident once we get the project closer to its let date that we'll 00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:53.540 have it funded as well same 1173 once now the 35 is operational for lack of a better 00:33:53.540 --> 00:33:59.980 word 1173 takes on new life because if we don't get something done 1173 is already underwater 00:33:59.980 --> 00:34:06.580 not literally in some places but figuratively from a traffic standpoint so we're probably 00:34:06.580 --> 00:34:12.740 going to be meeting with Garver the contract the engineering firm and text out and finding 00:34:12.740 --> 00:34:19.820 a way to maybe expedite this project because again 1173 is going to be this is tying into 00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:25.420 an area that's not functional for lack of a better word right now and once we come in 00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:33.780 and do the northern segment we'll need FN 1173 operational so we're fairly confident 00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:50.780 on this job too 428 okay so the RTC in order to get the commission to be interested in 00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:56.060 the 35s and some other projects in the other region they had to reshuffle chairs on the 00:34:56.060 --> 00:35:04.700 deck to entice them the dollar amounts that the commission put on 35 and 35e were larger 00:35:04.700 --> 00:35:10.860 than was anticipated so that means that Michael and RTC had what's called category two funds 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:15.820 that were on these projects that if the commission had to pick them up with cat 12 strategic 00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:21.660 priority and cat 12 clear lanes he would have had to use those funds to make these dates 00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:27.020 now that they've rolled in and picked these up those category two dollars are now freed 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:33.940 up for other things well Michael has been pushing the outer loop in the Collin Denton 00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:38.220 County area longer than anybody has and when you have all the trauma that we're having 00:35:38.220 --> 00:35:45.620 on 380 in this area we believe the outer loop because they essentially told us it's now 00:35:45.620 --> 00:35:51.860 going to go back to being a fairly high priority quickly which drives the fact that 428 is 00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:58.620 now a critical path item so we're going to be meeting with text up again we're meeting 00:35:58.620 --> 00:36:05.540 with them in conjunction with your bond program but with the flexibility they now have with 00:36:05.540 --> 00:36:13.140 the release on the 35 corridor we want to reorient them to this eastern quadrant where 00:36:13.140 --> 00:36:20.260 you're already having development issues coming down the pack so we got a blank slate 00:36:20.260 --> 00:36:26.340 right now but I'm thinking that very quickly as things happen in my world this will become 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:31.100 operational and we'll be able to give you better information on it going forward and 00:36:31.100 --> 00:36:48.860 I believe that's it thank you thank you for joining us and thanks for your patience appreciate 00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:57.500 you coming to visit so I'll call a lot item C receive a report and hold a discussion regarding 00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:05.900 updates from the den county transportation authority thank you oh yeah oh receive report 00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:11.500 hold the discussion no decisions well good morning and it's nice to be here Nicole usually 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:18.380 provides the update she's she's been out for a while she's recovering she's been ill for 00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:23.580 a few months but she sends her best to you she says she misses you and can't wait to 00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:27.180 come back so she it's not too often that people are really wanting to come back to work but 00:37:27.180 --> 00:37:31.380 she's actually very very excited to come back soon so here she's not well I wasn't aware 00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:37.340 of that yes thank you appreciate it well I'm here to talk to you about quiet zones so there's 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:43.660 10 quiet zones that recently the FRA came in and conducted a visit let's start with 00:37:43.660 --> 00:37:49.660 kind of what is a quiet zone with regard to the railroad so in order to establish a quiet 00:37:49.660 --> 00:37:57.340 zone the city actually submits a form to the FRA requesting the implementation of a quiet 00:37:57.340 --> 00:38:05.900 zone a quiet zone is basically additional safety precautions that are put around a intersection 00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:13.020 to basically allow the the engineer that's operating the train to not blow the horn as 00:38:13.020 --> 00:38:19.100 they come into the approach of a of an intersection they typically start blowing the horn depending 00:38:19.100 --> 00:38:24.860 on the speed about 15 seconds prior to entering the quiet zone they have to continue to sound 00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:29.940 the horn as you can imagine that creates a lot of noise but it's a safety warning precaution 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:37.460 for pedestrians cyclists and and motorists as they cross requires basically to protect 00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:43.620 the entire zone which is typically a four quadrant zone or four quadrant gate there's 00:38:43.620 --> 00:38:50.780 directional horns that are localized sound that that carries down the corridor to notify 00:38:50.780 --> 00:38:57.820 pedestrians and vehicular traffic warning of approach of a of a train and in addition 00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:04.860 to that there's additional striping that's typically put on to the roadways that indicate 00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:09.780 that you're approaching the railroad they're outside of what's called the right of way 00:39:09.780 --> 00:39:14.780 which is typically 50 to 100 feet from the centerline of the track and that's the zone 00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:21.260 that agency is usually responsible for so the city because the striping and the signage 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:27.580 as you approach a zone is responsible for the signage and striping and of course over 00:39:27.580 --> 00:39:35.660 time these these warning striping and paint tend to wear and the original implementation 00:39:35.660 --> 00:39:44.740 of the quiet zones was done at the implementation of the the a train service it is required 00:39:44.740 --> 00:39:51.460 every five years to reapply for certification of the of the safety zone and here's some 00:39:51.460 --> 00:39:56.540 some some of the safety measures that are typically put in place as you can see in the 00:39:56.540 --> 00:40:04.720 top left that's the four quadrant gates the the railroad crossing pavement paint that 00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:09.440 you see as you approach in the kind of bottom center and then some of the other precautions 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.520 that you can put in is subdividing the roads with medians and then approaching warning 00:40:15.520 --> 00:40:23.380 signs that indicate whether the first one with the railroad crossing is to indicate 00:40:23.380 --> 00:40:28.180 that there's no sounding of the horns as the train comes into the approach and so there's 00:40:28.180 --> 00:40:33.280 different variations of protection that you can put along the street and of course as 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:39.380 you introduce trails it becomes more complicated because then you have not only traffic that's 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:45.820 coming up to the approach of across then you have traffic that's running parallel to the 00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:51.780 to the railroad and so there's different safety precautions that that DCTA has to follow as 00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:57.380 we're crossing intersections but we also work with the city's once a safety zone has been 00:40:57.380 --> 00:41:03.740 put in or quiet zone in this case has been put in to make sure that we're protecting 00:41:03.740 --> 00:41:09.540 pedestrians traffic have a question for you in regards to the paint because you said it's 00:41:09.540 --> 00:41:15.380 the city's responsibility to maintain that paint is it the city's responsibility to notice 00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:20.580 that it needs to be repainted or does DCTA reach out and say it's time we need our you 00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:25.500 know or do we have a process for that to make sure that you know it's getting done that 00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:33.540 is a phenomenal question thank you typically DCTA hires inspectors and they're on the railroad 00:41:33.540 --> 00:41:41.940 almost every day looking for everything from railroad ties bridge the quality of the bridge 00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:48.780 and the health of the ride and all of these things signal systems the crossings. 00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:54.540 Since the inception of the train system we tend to take care of everything that's within 00:41:54.540 --> 00:42:02.320 that 50 feet because it's the paint is on the streets our inspectors have not been asked 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.220 to look at that in the past in a new railroad you typically it's like buying a brand new 00:42:07.220 --> 00:42:11.860 car right you tend to not worry too much about maintenance as it starts getting older you 00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:14.980 have to make sure that you're maintaining it and of course you should be looking at 00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:21.980 it every every few years so it's something that that the city staff and DCTA have discussed 00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:27.220 that we need to make sure that we have a good process in place the inspection every five 00:42:27.220 --> 00:42:33.660 years by the FRA and the the actually they come in more often than that the the recertification 00:42:33.660 --> 00:42:40.820 every five years is to ensure that we are looking at at those types of quality issues 00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:49.820 that may spur a need for a project so in 2017 DCT actually hired a contractor to come in 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:56.020 and recertify the quiet zones we did they inspect them at the time apparently the inspection 00:42:56.020 --> 00:43:01.020 did not indicate that the wear was at the point that they needed to be replaced it wasn't 00:43:01.020 --> 00:43:09.100 until July 30th after the event with the cyclist the bicycle incident that the FRA sent inspectors 00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:14.700 in and that's commonplace that when there's incidents they did it a few years prior and 00:43:14.700 --> 00:43:19.140 it's very commonplace when there's incidents along the railroad that they'll send their 00:43:19.140 --> 00:43:25.860 inspection team to do a review so they met with city staff DCTA staff they went to Brinker 00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:32.220 they looked at a couple of other locations and as part of that process since the recertification 00:43:32.220 --> 00:43:41.700 in 2017 they indicated that the the the pavement paint restriping needed to be redone as you 00:43:41.700 --> 00:43:47.580 can imagine with foliage it tends to grow over signage over time we've had a lot of 00:43:47.580 --> 00:43:54.180 rain over the last few years but the railroad typically focuses on what they call the right 00:43:54.180 --> 00:43:59.380 away of the railroad and then we work with the city hand-in-hand to make sure that all 00:43:59.380 --> 00:44:03.700 the approach and signage and painting and everything needs to be taken care of and so 00:44:03.700 --> 00:44:09.300 this really caught us off guard a little bit with the FRA not that and it's not that they 00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:15.300 caught us off guard it's just that they they will continuously do unscheduled visits and 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:21.260 in this case they notified us that they were coming pre-tem was there were several folks 00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:27.900 from the city from DCTA and they usually do a great job of of adding advice as they look 00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:34.260 at things and suggestions of things that we need to work on so I'd like to add to that 00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:39.100 in the past city has not had a program per se to go and look at all these quiet zones 00:44:39.100 --> 00:44:44.460 as we move forward to implementing more quiet zones with the Union Pacific Railroad line 00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:51.060 as well as DCTA we will have a program in place starting now we will start reviewing 00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:57.940 all these quiet zones markings and signs on a regular basis most likely it might be every 00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:04.700 two years we were not sure at this point what timeline but we will have frequent and periodical 00:45:04.700 --> 00:45:08.500 inspections to make sure that everything is lined similar to what we're doing with the 00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:16.420 crosswalks throughout the city thank you and so I assume that there's not really a budget 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:22.940 for that right now as far as and so we'll need to do look for right away for the areas 00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:29.100 for the signs to trim that back as well and the painting so it will be to it will be covered 00:45:29.100 --> 00:45:34.300 under our operation and maintenance cost o and m costs for the traffic operations group 00:45:34.300 --> 00:45:41.460 they do that all around the city maintain markings and signs clear signs so it's more 00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:47.300 of a proactive approach especially with the quiet zones and we already have one for the 00:45:47.300 --> 00:45:52.500 for the crosswalks okay thank you and we'll be looking at our procedures as well to make 00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:56.260 sure that our inspectors as they're inspecting the rail line are looking for those types 00:45:56.260 --> 00:46:06.500 of issues as they come up I think this is what the mayor calls scar tissue as I mentioned 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:13.100 in 2017 all the quiet zones in Denton were recertified by the FRA so literally two years 00:46:13.100 --> 00:46:17.400 ago there wasn't any indication that there was an issue again this has to do with with 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.140 wear and tear it's not to say that that condition didn't exist it just didn't come up as part 00:46:22.140 --> 00:46:28.860 of the recertification program so I'm gonna move this conversation along so on the on 00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:36.500 the 30th we received the notice if there's more than one or two crossings if it's a crossing 00:46:36.500 --> 00:46:41.540 typically they'll give you notice and they'll give you some time to rectify the situation 00:46:41.540 --> 00:46:45.020 when there are multiple crossings as you can imagine all these areas were painted at the 00:46:45.020 --> 00:46:50.900 same time so you likely all the paint is going to start deteriorating relatively at the same 00:46:50.900 --> 00:46:58.220 time and that was the case so what they did is they decertified all ten crossings but 00:46:58.220 --> 00:47:02.700 some of the crossings didn't have an issue it's just a process that you have to follow 00:47:02.700 --> 00:47:07.700 so the city immediately turned back in a few days and said well there's four crossings 00:47:07.700 --> 00:47:12.740 that don't have an issue we were but we needed to make sure that we had consistency so that 00:47:12.740 --> 00:47:18.180 we we could start not blowing the horn as we went through some of these crossings I 00:47:18.180 --> 00:47:26.740 want to thank city staff the the speed at which they took care of it the cooperation 00:47:26.740 --> 00:47:32.100 that we had between our staff and the city staff was quite impressive I'm glad to say 00:47:32.100 --> 00:47:39.180 that from July 30th as of yesterday we stopped blowing horns at all crossings the staff really 00:47:39.180 --> 00:47:43.460 focused on it did an exceptional job so thank you for that and there's a couple of more 00:47:43.460 --> 00:47:48.300 crossings that we need to address and I'm going to move through some of these unless 00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:52.900 you have questions so here are the list of them all the crossings that they said were 00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:59.340 deficient but as you can see at pockers page there was no deficiency there was a recommendation 00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:05.900 that we turn the trees back some of the others had no deficiencies they did suggest that 00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:15.620 Colorado Boulevard and Brinker that the approach of the trail kind of comes to a tee to sidewalk 00:48:15.620 --> 00:48:22.500 because there's no cut through the median that allows the trail to continue and it's 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:29.580 what it has caused is it creates some innovative approaches from the folks that are on bicycles 00:48:29.580 --> 00:48:35.780 to get around not having to get off of their bike across the street or take a left or right 00:48:35.780 --> 00:48:43.340 go to the controlled intersection and back over and I can tell you that the imagination 00:48:43.340 --> 00:48:48.080 that people use to not get off their bike is pretty impressive we've had we've installed 00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:52.780 we've hired a consulting engineering firm to look at the entire railroad end to end 00:48:52.780 --> 00:48:58.060 or the entire crossing and as it crosses the railroad and make recommendations for safety 00:48:58.060 --> 00:49:03.500 improvements which we have made significant improvements over the last two years and by 00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:10.580 installing Z crossings which requires the cyclist to maneuver through chain link fence 00:49:10.580 --> 00:49:15.660 so that they're actually looking hopefully both ways before they cross the railroad but 00:49:15.660 --> 00:49:22.260 as you can imagine we've installed those we met some opposition from the cycling community 00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:27.220 because it does cause them to and I can understand as a cyclist you don't want to break your 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:33.020 rhythm but it does require you to break your rhythm and pay attention to the rail crossing 00:49:33.020 --> 00:49:38.740 while we're seeing where they're managing to get all the way around the Z crossings 00:49:38.740 --> 00:49:44.460 and so it's a constant challenge to try to help people be safe but it's not always the 00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:51.260 safest thing in this case the FRA did come in and recommend suggests that we make cuts 00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:58.100 through the medium so that the folks that are on bicycles and pushing their kids on 00:49:58.100 --> 00:50:03.340 strollers can make a better transition across those two intersections and we're working 00:50:03.340 --> 00:50:07.620 with the city and believe the engineering is almost complete on those two cut sections 00:50:07.620 --> 00:50:14.140 DCTA is actually going to fund those and hire the contractor so that we can get those done 00:50:14.140 --> 00:50:17.940 as soon as we can. 00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:21.220 The other quiet zones that we're working on is that outside this list? 00:50:21.220 --> 00:50:22.220 Correct. 00:50:22.220 --> 00:50:27.020 Okay so is there a way to pull sort of an extra win out of this little setback by just 00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:32.500 because of the fact that we've got their attention and to maybe use this moment to move forward 00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:35.540 on the other quiet zones we're trying to achieve? 00:50:35.540 --> 00:50:39.420 So the other quiet zones are on Union Pacific Railroad. 00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:45.220 It's a whole different system, different ballgames, different corridor, completely different. 00:50:45.220 --> 00:50:48.660 Okay no competition between the two? 00:50:48.660 --> 00:50:52.340 And by the way the FRA wasn't picking on the city of Denton. 00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:56.060 They've already notified the city of Louisville and like Dallas and everyone along the corridor 00:50:56.060 --> 00:51:01.660 that they're coming through making these these inspections and once they start seeing some 00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:07.340 deterioration and they're focused on a corridor they actually and it's a great partnership 00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:08.340 with the FRA. 00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:12.860 We've always had a really good relationship with them and they come in and they suggest 00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:18.500 and they advise and in this case they said as soon as you've made the repairs you don't 00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:23.460 have to file a report just send us an email so you can stop blowing the horn because they 00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:27.660 do care a lot not only about passenger safety but working in partnership with the cities 00:51:27.660 --> 00:51:32.180 and the railroads and so my thanks actually goes out to the FRA as well for for their 00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:35.220 cooperation and partnership. 00:51:35.220 --> 00:51:43.300 So that concludes the the presentation on the quiet zones unless there's something else 00:51:43.300 --> 00:51:47.060 that you would like to know or have questions about. 00:51:47.060 --> 00:51:56.520 And then I had one other thing I was asked to to quickly respond to a bus stop at West 00:51:56.520 --> 00:52:01.580 Bound University at Bell we had a contractor we'd asked to move it we had some stakeholder 00:52:01.580 --> 00:52:04.140 input about the stop. 00:52:04.140 --> 00:52:08.900 I'm hearing today this morning that it was actually a stop and I'm going to ask Troy 00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:14.700 to come in come up and speak to this particular issue but we moved the stop we started getting 00:52:14.700 --> 00:52:20.860 complaints because crime started going up it caused some additional traffic, congestion 00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:26.740 and so what we decided to do is move the stop back but I'm hearing this morning that maybe 00:52:26.740 --> 00:52:31.100 our contractor moved the wrong stop which happens every once in a while Troy? 00:52:31.100 --> 00:52:42.620 Yeah go ahead and it'll be easier for you at the mic better press first of all I think 00:52:42.620 --> 00:52:45.780 we need to clarify what the problem is. 00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:50.900 I went out and observed the intersection and the problem isn't the westbound traffic in 00:52:50.900 --> 00:52:57.260 the westbound stop it's the one going northbound Bell when they stop to pick someone up the 00:52:57.260 --> 00:53:03.660 people heading north on Bell back up into the intersection of University and that obstructs 00:53:03.660 --> 00:53:08.220 the westbound traffic so it's actually a different stop that's the problem. 00:53:08.220 --> 00:53:12.220 So we're going to move that stop we've got to go through a notification process there 00:53:12.220 --> 00:53:18.540 is quite a bit of ridership at that stop and they'll have to go north 400 feet to the next 00:53:18.540 --> 00:53:23.580 stop and that gives you enough payment for it because it is just one lane there so if 00:53:23.580 --> 00:53:29.580 you've got people behind the bus at the south side of University trying to go north then 00:53:29.580 --> 00:53:35.220 we've got to give them enough room to get up in there in the bus to load if that makes 00:53:35.220 --> 00:53:42.700 sense. So we're working on it and we hope to have it moved in the next 30 days and then 00:53:42.700 --> 00:53:48.300 this problem should relieve itself okay thank you. 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:50.660 No further questions all right thank you very much. 00:53:50.660 --> 00:53:57.140 I do have one because I know you you got a phone call from our city staff this last week 00:53:57.140 --> 00:54:06.020 with I think she might actually be here today but a concern with all the construction going 00:54:06.020 --> 00:54:12.820 on yes and the rerouting of route 7 that no longer goes past Fraser Ranch has that been 00:54:12.820 --> 00:54:17.620 have we worked on those routes? Actually fortuitously Troy has actually been 00:54:17.620 --> 00:54:22.420 reaching out I don't Troy do you want to speak to that real quick sorry to make you talk 00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:33.220 again but as it stands right now we don't have a good path we have to touch Presbyterian 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:39.260 Hospital because we have a lot of clients that go to the various medical establishments 00:54:39.260 --> 00:55:06.180 on that campus. 00:55:06.180 --> 00:55:10.900 As it stands we've got to touch this area out here and currently we've got a lot of ridership 00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:16.460 that goes to medical establishments here on scripture but the 35 foot bus does not make 00:55:16.460 --> 00:55:24.220 it down that street so we're having to drop those people on those passengers on the parking 00:55:24.220 --> 00:55:31.180 lot at Presby and we've got a small vehicle stationed there every day to transport those 00:55:31.180 --> 00:55:36.780 people back down to MHMR because a lot of them can't walk that distance back down the 00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:43.180 street so at this time we can't move and not being able to go up Bonnie Bray we're having 00:55:43.180 --> 00:55:48.580 to go up the service road and it's going to continue that way until Bonnie Bray opens 00:55:48.580 --> 00:55:58.300 up all the way from Oak to University but I think the concern was that you then go back 00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:08.620 up by the old hospital up on the west side of 35 and then turn around and come back well 00:56:08.620 --> 00:56:16.800 anybody that was previously getting off at Razor Ranch at one of those stops now has 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.740 to get off on the other side of 35 and walk back across. 00:56:21.740 --> 00:56:28.420 And to address that problem what we've done is in the August 26 schedule they can catch 00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:35.060 Route 4 and come back there's a transfer point right out there there's a dialysis clinic 00:56:35.060 --> 00:56:39.640 or some other medical establishments out there in that area that's what the ridership that's 00:56:39.640 --> 00:56:46.140 why we touch that area but in August 26 we've changed the schedule so that they have time 00:56:46.140 --> 00:56:51.700 to transfer they can remain on the bus until the other bus arrives and then they can transfer 00:56:51.700 --> 00:56:56.820 to Route 4 and get back down University you know I kind of applause for a little housekeeping 00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:00.940 just because we're closing in on the bottom there do you have any flexibility on the ending 00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:10.420 time for 15 more minutes okay and and we've got a citizen wishing to speak but it this 00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:16.420 notes that you're looking to speak on the on 05 3 which was the decent which is the 00:57:16.420 --> 00:57:25.200 on system that you wanted to speak on this item okay all right so when we complete the 00:57:25.200 --> 00:57:33.500 presentation then I'll have you come up okay sorry might I suggest that we allow her to 00:57:33.500 --> 00:57:40.180 speak so that we can we can understand the issue yes Troy has I had asked Troy personally 00:57:40.180 --> 00:57:45.940 to reach out to you to understand exactly what the issue is so that we can try to address 00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:53.260 it I don't even know who you're addressing yet so you know so okay if you come up to 00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:59.500 the mic thank you state your name and address you know three minutes and what's no right 00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:05.180 up here and yeah yep and after you state your name and address your time will begin thank 00:58:05.180 --> 00:58:15.100 you Eva Greco 802 West Oak Street in Denton I ride that I work on University in the razor 00:58:15.100 --> 00:58:24.260 ranch area I ride the seven bus every day unfortunately it stops running and when I 00:58:24.260 --> 00:58:34.140 get out of work so I have to look for transportation or take an uber home the way the bus is running 00:58:34.140 --> 00:58:41.100 now I have to get off I left work early yesterday and it was just plain heat exhaustion because 00:58:41.100 --> 00:58:50.060 every day I have to get off behind the Waffle House and walk back towards University to 00:58:50.060 --> 00:58:57.140 get to my job it's very very dangerous and it's not just myself it's other passengers 00:58:57.140 --> 00:59:05.740 also with this heat it's really horrible it's just horrible as far as connecting with the 00:59:05.740 --> 00:59:14.540 number four bus before the schedule was changed the number four bus was there waiting okay 00:59:14.540 --> 00:59:21.900 now if I get off behind Waffle House let's say the number four next number four bus is 00:59:21.900 --> 00:59:30.780 not for 40 minutes as it is now because of the new bus schedule change I have to leave 00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:41.960 my house now at least an hour before I have to be at work the buses the schedule keeps 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:52.780 changing which is a big problem for everyday passengers okay there is no communication 00:59:52.780 --> 01:00:05.100 with DCTA at all the communication is horrible traffic is rerouted to come down panhandle 01:00:05.100 --> 01:00:11.340 every time there's construction you know buses are rerouted onto the side streets and I live 01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:16.460 right in the middle of the historic district so it's been rerouted quite a few times comes 01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:25.420 right past my apartment and I don't see why the bus can't take the side streets I know 01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:33.220 there's infrastructure issues but right now you have and I have seen it tractor trailers 01:00:33.220 --> 01:00:39.660 coming through the side streets because of the you know closing off and I'm sorry excuse 01:00:39.660 --> 01:00:47.980 my back everyone um you have heavy vehicles coming through the side streets now because 01:00:47.980 --> 01:00:54.380 of the construction and we just can't see you have minimum seven bus stops that are 01:00:54.380 --> 01:01:02.460 being bypassed passengers are not made aware of this when this first happened you're standing 01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:10.480 at a bus stop and waiting and waiting and a bus is never coming because it's been rerouted 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:17.340 there is no signage there is no notification there is I still have a January schedule there 01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:25.980 is no note schedules are not up on the buses you know okay thank you I really appreciate 01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:31.500 you taking the time to come to two public meetings to make us aware I hope you feel 01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:35.500 that you know you're gonna you're gonna hear response from like the president of DCTA 01:01:35.500 --> 01:01:39.940 somebody was supposed to call me back last week and nobody's called me yeah so so so 01:01:39.940 --> 01:01:50.500 so when so once you go if you'll leave the mic to those folks let's let's get a response 01:01:50.500 --> 01:01:55.900 do you want to give any response now for us um let me see if I can where are you coming 01:01:55.900 --> 01:01:59.860 from ma'am where you where are you coming from what's your origination of your trip 01:01:59.860 --> 01:02:06.300 where are you getting on to the route seven um I get out by uh West Oak and Desing Street 01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:12.180 in front of Dr. Simms office okay we're still going down that corridor right seven still 01:02:12.180 --> 01:02:20.100 goes down that corridor yes it does so your issue is is getting from and we can do this 01:02:20.100 --> 01:02:24.740 offline if y'all want let's do this I mean I'd like you to if you can't address the parts 01:02:24.740 --> 01:02:30.620 that are you know general general you know impact like so notification about route changes 01:02:30.620 --> 01:02:35.460 and yes the general issues yes thank you I'll try to wrap it up quickly but we will if you'll 01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:38.820 stay with us we will meet offline thank you I'm glad you're here today because we have 01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:44.740 been trying to reach you so that we could address the issue there is a an application 01:02:44.740 --> 01:02:48.860 that you can download that will notify you it's not even an application you can just 01:02:48.860 --> 01:02:54.780 subscribe to our rider alerts that anybody that's using our service will get alerted 01:02:54.780 --> 01:03:02.420 as to when we're making service changes not only service changes but if there is a a reroute 01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:09.580 of our buses which can happen without a lot of notice to us university can also put barricades 01:03:09.580 --> 01:03:15.940 in and so we you're correct we are seems like we're always rerouting somewhere our our method 01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:20.860 to reach out to people quickly is through our rider alert service and that'll at least 01:03:20.860 --> 01:03:28.500 inform you when we're having to make changes because we travel through these roads as frequently 01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:35.420 as eight minutes 15 minutes there's a tremendous amount of frequency of these vehicles having 01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:39.740 to get up and down roads and what we need to make sure of is not only that we can get 01:03:39.740 --> 01:03:44.920 down a road but that we can get down and make the appropriate turn so that we have the ability 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:50.100 to continue on our route when we get into neighborhoods it definitely creates a dangerous 01:03:50.100 --> 01:03:56.540 situation and because we have so much frequency and we don't have the luxury much like an 01:03:56.540 --> 01:04:00.180 18-wheeler deciding when they're actually going to go down one of those side streets 01:04:00.180 --> 01:04:06.100 that's a very dangerous practice but safety is at the top of our priority we want to make 01:04:06.100 --> 01:04:10.220 sure that we're not disrupting people that are living in these neighborhoods so to start 01:04:10.220 --> 01:04:14.900 rerouting a lot of buses through the neighborhoods we have to take a lot of concern we also have 01:04:14.900 --> 01:04:19.120 to make sure that if a bus could actually turn down the street depending on whether 01:04:19.120 --> 01:04:23.460 it's turning right or left whether we can actually do that safely because it's not creating 01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:30.860 a blind spot and you do that so often whereas maybe a heavy truck does it once we're doing 01:04:30.860 --> 01:04:37.100 it every day five to six times a week it becomes a concern for us so there's only so many ways 01:04:37.100 --> 01:04:41.940 we can maneuver in a neighborhood to get where we need to go but we'll do a better job and 01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:46.240 I'll make sure that we meet with you offline on those particular issues that you're bringing 01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:47.240 to concern. 01:04:47.240 --> 01:04:49.380 Committee members are getting restless to get a couple questions in. 01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:54.120 Councilmember Ryan. 01:04:54.120 --> 01:04:58.500 Just a suggestion because I didn't I knew that timing on the route is a big thing so 01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:01.740 trying to and trying to make a u-turn is a big thing but now finding out that you all 01:05:01.740 --> 01:05:06.940 have another bus that sets at Presbyterian a small bus that sits there and takes them 01:05:06.940 --> 01:05:13.460 throughout the medical could you. 01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:14.820 Because we can't get our bus down. 01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:21.900 Okay yeah okay but in that area that because of the cycle time of that bus route could 01:05:21.900 --> 01:05:27.980 that bus also pick up people that need to go to razor run through you know run them 01:05:27.980 --> 01:05:32.180 over there again a small bus can turn around easier than a big bus keeps your big bus on 01:05:32.180 --> 01:05:34.620 time that bus driver is already sitting there. 01:05:34.620 --> 01:05:44.780 I don't know what how to take a look at it sure if you could look at the time yeah right 01:05:44.780 --> 01:05:51.700 sorry you began hearing let's move the mic I don't know because at the same time you're 01:05:51.700 --> 01:05:56.300 not dropping off people at razor you're also not picking up people at razor and councilmember 01:05:56.300 --> 01:06:02.020 Briggs did you have something you wanted to okay I'd like to get a staff report as a follow-up 01:06:02.020 --> 01:06:09.460 on just what the procedure is for for informing riders of route changes yeah I think that's 01:06:09.460 --> 01:06:16.740 we go through a very rigorous we're required to by the FTA to go through a very rigorous 01:06:16.740 --> 01:06:23.600 process where we actually hold stakeholder forms we put notifications in the paper we 01:06:23.600 --> 01:06:29.780 have open we try to reach or go to places where we can impact the most people and notify 01:06:29.780 --> 01:06:35.740 them the DTC libraries different places post postings at the bus stop sign post postings 01:06:35.740 --> 01:06:40.500 I don't I don't know that we put a posting on every bus stop sign we have 400 plus bus 01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:47.180 stop signs but nobody but I mean at the at the pardon me understand and I'm not here 01:06:47.180 --> 01:06:54.980 to you know I'm just responding to what I'm hearing you know the sort of clear suggestion 01:06:54.980 --> 01:07:02.100 of the situation if it's as it sounds is that on the bypass stops you'd want to have something 01:07:02.100 --> 01:07:08.300 present to let you know this isn't active now you know right like if that if it's the 01:07:08.300 --> 01:07:12.460 way just the way it sounds to me I'm just hearing what we're hearing if seven seven 01:07:12.460 --> 01:07:15.660 stops are passed you wouldn't want people standing there not knowing that nothing's 01:07:15.660 --> 01:07:25.420 gonna come sure don't walk so far away the only stops that were not active at this point 01:07:25.420 --> 01:07:31.420 are the ones that are on Bonnie Bray we still have service to the other stops on the university 01:07:31.420 --> 01:07:37.140 seven doesn't go through there obviously the four still go through there so you're talking 01:07:37.140 --> 01:07:42.500 just a handful of stops that we are no longer served yeah more to this point maybe we can 01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:47.980 put some kind of bag over that says not signs not active yeah even if it's one right this 01:07:47.980 --> 01:07:52.180 you know don't wait here suggestion because we're breaks did you want to add something 01:07:52.180 --> 01:07:58.020 now all right are we are we good for today and then you'll be following up with the speakers 01:07:58.020 --> 01:08:03.460 thank you thank you very much all right we've got to do a little housekeeping we have six 01:08:03.460 --> 01:08:09.860 more borrowed minutes potentially what our staff priorities are councilman Briggs so 01:08:09.860 --> 01:08:15.820 I requested the vision zero presentation mostly as a step to get it to council so that we 01:08:15.820 --> 01:08:21.980 could pass a resolution so if it's okay with this committee we just can move that presentation 01:08:21.980 --> 01:08:28.260 up to a work session or get it somehow if because I'm completely in favor of it especially 01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:32.820 with all the traffic and everything and the construction we have going on I think it would 01:08:32.820 --> 01:08:43.700 be a good consideration no objection okay so is can can you move forward with that and 01:08:43.700 --> 01:08:52.900 then then we would just move on to E if you do do you want to do item E with us in the 01:08:52.900 --> 01:08:58.940 time we have is that is that adequate can we do e pre temp yes okay so open so we're 01:08:58.940 --> 01:09:03.300 going to move item D up to work session and I'll open item E receive a report and hold 01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:07.520 the discussion regarding the city of Denton mobility plan work completed and plan future 01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:17.340 task items and the market set Pam will she's going to slip skip over a few slides so that 01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:31.420 I will talk quickly I just noticed yours 14 okay so basically the update is we had a technical 01:09:31.420 --> 01:09:36.980 stakeholder committee meeting on July 11th we had our first round of public meetings 01:09:36.980 --> 01:09:44.020 we had two we are scheduling a third one this month on the 22nd we the consultant collected 01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:51.740 a lot of data we're looking at existing conditions I wanted to share some of the boards we had 01:09:51.740 --> 01:09:58.460 set up at the public meetings the timeline basically what is a mobility plan so these 01:09:58.460 --> 01:10:04.820 are the boards we received feedback on bicycle facilities and we will be sharing the results 01:10:04.820 --> 01:10:11.140 next month and this is some of the data the consultants pulled for existing conditions 01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:19.620 roadways bicycle pedestrians this is all saved online so you can look at those numbers later 01:10:19.620 --> 01:10:25.620 this next month the biggest push is we're going to continue collecting citizen feedback 01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:32.240 we're going to be developing the results sharing the next month and then starting some travel 01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:39.420 demand modeling Ryan and Stephanie have done a fabulous job they've created a page online 01:10:39.420 --> 01:10:48.340 there's the link and in there you will find the survey which has 20 very quick 25 questions 01:10:48.340 --> 01:10:54.980 and there's an interactive map people can leave comments on for things to collect and 01:10:54.980 --> 01:11:03.060 will the staff will the team will look into those as we move forward and that's it thank 01:11:03.060 --> 01:11:14.060 you there's a couple of record I pointed out to Sarah and the committee what is it called 01:11:14.060 --> 01:11:18.540 committee on citizen engagement just there are a couple of logic flaws in the mobility 01:11:18.540 --> 01:11:24.300 plan survey where it asks when you bike you know there are a few questions about when 01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:29.300 you bike so there's no opportunity if you don't bike to respond or say NA or something 01:11:29.300 --> 01:11:35.700 and similarly there's a section on how you feel about your children going to school and 01:11:35.700 --> 01:11:42.180 not everyone has children going to school so you need a logic path for that other comments 01:11:42.180 --> 01:11:47.740 or questions just a question so I see that there's the survey and then there's the map 01:11:47.740 --> 01:11:53.420 but is there within the survey a section just to leave another comment yes at the end and 01:11:53.420 --> 01:12:01.300 a lot of those questions were kind of general we definitely put an option to type in additional 01:12:01.300 --> 01:12:05.500 feedback so there's definitely several questions at the end of the survey that provide just 01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:12.340 general questions it's just a comment just the safety and crash data was very informative 01:12:12.340 --> 01:12:21.540 which adds to the reason why vision zero would be a really great thing for us to do so I 01:12:21.540 --> 01:12:28.580 do want to add we are having a meeting next week as part of the mobility plan it's on 01:12:28.580 --> 01:12:36.140 August 22nd 22nd it's at the student ministry center at Argyle United Methodist Church from 01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:41.220 six to seven thirty and that's related to the Hickory Creek alignment where we had a 01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:47.100 lot of citizen feedback and input about the alignment so we're going to meet them out 01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:53.500 there look at different alignments we're going to have almost five or six alternatives receive 01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:57.900 feedback which alignment is better and then we'll bring it as a council work session 01:12:57.900 --> 01:13:02.960 item saying this is what we heard from the citizens this is what the alignments are pros 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:09.260 and cons and then recommendations great John can you send that time and date location out 01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:16.140 to the committee yes we will if we can close that item I have a couple of items that I'd 01:13:16.140 --> 01:13:21.220 like to see if they belong on the matrix or not but I'll take others first if you all 01:13:21.220 --> 01:13:29.340 have matrix items I don't have matrix but I do have the construction report Forest Ridge 01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:33.140 is not showing up on there the signs are out there right now saying that they're going 01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:40.940 to start on the 19th but it's not on the street report on upcoming or existing projects I'll 01:13:40.940 --> 01:13:51.660 check into that but that is definitely on the schedule okay my mind were still the conversation 01:13:51.660 --> 01:13:56.780 on the taking back Elm and Locust and there was another question about why when is text 01:13:56.780 --> 01:14:00.540 on or when the city going to redo them there's I guess some sections that are pretty bad 01:14:00.540 --> 01:14:06.660 the pavement and my response was well I think they have to fix it before we take it back 01:14:06.660 --> 01:14:10.300 and I don't know if that's correct or not and if there's a timeline on that but I did 01:14:10.300 --> 01:14:13.940 notice it's still on the matrix and so I feel like that'll come back to us when we have 01:14:13.940 --> 01:14:20.060 more information and then the crosswalks that the repainting of them when there's some schools 01:14:20.060 --> 01:14:23.980 coming back in session I didn't know I saw that also on the matrix but I didn't know 01:14:23.980 --> 01:14:28.540 another time so I was thinking so I think the first one Todd has an answer but with 01:14:28.540 --> 01:14:35.820 the crosswalks one of the things that happened they were on schedule to be done for UNT campus 01:14:35.820 --> 01:14:40.700 all the crosswalks around the campus as well as TWU and it includes the crosswalks that 01:14:40.700 --> 01:14:46.140 are mentioned on the university at Bell and the other two locations with the DCT Quiet 01:14:46.140 --> 01:14:51.860 Zone coming online and we felt that that was an important issue to address immediately 01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:57.460 so we had to kind of move resources around but the sidewalk the crosswalks are still 01:14:57.460 --> 01:15:02.340 on the plan and I think we've pushed that for a week or a couple weeks but we're getting 01:15:02.340 --> 01:15:11.620 time on that definitely and Todd has a better answer with the turn back so oh sorry go ahead 01:15:11.620 --> 01:15:16.960 we're currently in discussion with text out on the finalization of the MOU that would 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.300 involve all the turn back items and Elvin Locust is one piece of that but it's actually 01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:31.700 all of 77 from I-35E north to 35 then it also includes FM 1515 pieces of 428 all those are 01:15:31.700 --> 01:15:37.180 coming together we're doing the utility relocations right now on south Elmin Locust that has to 01:15:37.180 --> 01:15:42.100 be done before we get any of the roadway work done and then we're finishing up plans for 01:15:42.100 --> 01:15:47.900 all the north pieces of Elmin Locust up to University Drive for the utility relocations 01:15:47.900 --> 01:15:52.540 we'll do the same thing we'll get ahead of text out they're just simply waiting on us 01:15:52.540 --> 01:15:58.340 to get all the utilities moved and there are a lot of them in that right away water wastewater 01:15:58.340 --> 01:16:03.820 storm water as soon as those are shifted and moved which is part of the pack four project 01:16:03.820 --> 01:16:08.860 and then we have a subsequent one coming this coming year that'll go to construction then 01:16:08.860 --> 01:16:13.420 text I can pave and they'll most likely start with Locust and go north all the way up to 01:16:13.420 --> 01:16:19.140 University Drive from Eagle and then turn around and come down Elm and do it at that 01:16:19.140 --> 01:16:25.500 time so we're gonna be tearing up the roadway places where there are bad spots currently 01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:31.680 big potholes and such we'll temporarily patch them cover those until such time that takes 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:38.860 that redo redos the whole road thanks so we're in double overtime I'll just briefly say I'd 01:16:38.860 --> 01:16:48.300 like to have a discussion in a future meeting just about the what happened regarding the 01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:57.540 McKenna Park area with the roundabout with the trees with the house just you know I sit 01:16:57.540 --> 01:17:03.980 on Committee on the Environment with this you know same group and well yeah and you 01:17:03.980 --> 01:17:07.700 know I've seen the reports but I just would like to have a conversation about it and then 01:17:07.700 --> 01:17:15.140 the other one is I don't know where it falls kind of seems to maybe fall between two stools 01:17:15.140 --> 01:17:22.100 but I'd like to know whether there's an opportunity to look at adding to the rail trail signs 01:17:22.100 --> 01:17:26.880 that you know there's a couple of pedestals that don't have signs on them deliberately 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:31.740 so so that we could add and I wonder you know where we might generate ideas for additional 01:17:31.740 --> 01:17:37.140 ones and also there's a correction that needs to be made to one I say that as the person 01:17:37.140 --> 01:17:42.700 who wrote them and I will personally pay for that one one sign that needs to be changed 01:17:42.700 --> 01:17:51.700 where someone was left off of the women's interracial fellowship marker we're like now 01:17:51.700 --> 01:17:57.140 in triple of overtime but go ahead can I just ask for staff's clarification when you're 01:17:57.140 --> 01:18:03.300 wanting a conversation about trees for the location of the body brace scripture intersection 01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:09.480 trees well can I get clarification just so that we know better what it is you're exactly 01:18:09.480 --> 01:18:13.940 asked for what are you wanting there because well what's our procedure right because you 01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:19.580 know I know that okay so forgive me for taking a little time to have a bit of the conversation 01:18:19.580 --> 01:18:29.580 but I you know we made took special pains and committee on the environment to say that 01:18:29.580 --> 01:18:34.900 the tree ordinance would apply to to the city as well but then there you know it doesn't 01:18:34.900 --> 01:18:40.460 seem that there was a procedure that required us to do a tree survey in that area right 01:18:40.460 --> 01:18:44.740 and then you know the outcome is different than I would have expected but also our knowledge 01:18:44.740 --> 01:18:51.940 of you know the pre and of the preconditions in that area we didn't seem to have it so 01:18:51.940 --> 01:18:57.620 so what is our process was it different than what it should be should it be changed also 01:18:57.620 --> 01:19:03.260 what is the actual you know yeah just in kind of what was the sequence of events and so 01:19:03.260 --> 01:19:08.100 to be clear you're wanting to know the sequence of events that led to that intersection and 01:19:08.100 --> 01:19:15.980 then what we do to the removal of the trees and to end and and without plants without 01:19:15.980 --> 01:19:20.580 knowing what trees without a survey the trees that are there or plan to mitigate as far 01:19:20.580 --> 01:19:24.580 as I know maybe there is but you know I don't have visibility into all that so there is 01:19:24.580 --> 01:19:31.140 a landscape plan coming that replaces I'm aware that and and takes care of those issues 01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:36.820 the original alignment of Bonnie Bray I just were like I get that I truly want to have 01:19:36.820 --> 01:19:41.300 this to hear your reply and that's fine we can do that I just need to know exactly what 01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:46.400 it is we're addressing yeah I think you're you know you already have the information 01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:50.580 you know I don't hope I'm not asking for anything you know new to go create but just want to 01:19:50.580 --> 01:19:56.660 have the conversation okay add mobility or an indifferent venue I think I think it belongs 01:19:56.660 --> 01:20:18.660 to me yeah okay okay thanks okay so entertain a motion to adjourn well then I bloody adjourn