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 Good morning.

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 We have a quorum and so I'm going to call this early morning edition of the mobility

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 committee to order.

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 Our first item, item A, is consider the approval of the minutes for the meeting held July 9,

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 2019.

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 I'll entertain a motion.

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 I have no choice but to second.

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 All in favor?

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 Aye.

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 Let's move on to item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Texas Department

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 transportation on system projects in the Denton area.

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 Thank you.

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 My name is John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions, Incorporated and we'll get started

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 on the project list of on-system projects.

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 We have some very good news towards the end or the middle, I guess, we can share with

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 you today.

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 The total cost of the projects that we're looking at has been updated.

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 We're now at just under two and a half billion dollars worth of projects that are on our

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 action item list.

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 So that's up about 300 million from the last time you saw this project.

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 2181, while there is no official information on the start date, we do have additional information

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 related to some conversations that Assurity is having with Zachary and so we're looking

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 at maybe knowing something about a start date sometime in the late September, early October

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 time frame.

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 And unfortunately, probably what that means is that TechStat will give back to the Assurity

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 all of the days in the contract, which will extend the time it takes to get the project

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 completed but it will get the project started.

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 So good news, bad news, your Fort Worth drive continues to be under construction.

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 We have the report from TechStat, SEMA has addressed some of the utility issues and they're

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 now doing the pavement for the concrete pavement and they're starting from the frontage roads

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 working south.

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 So it will probably be another month or so before we have that intersection with the

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 turn lane so the traffic can get out onto the frontage road a little quicker but that

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 project is moving well and we had a fairly spirited mobility meeting the other day on

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 System Task Force.

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 Councilman Ryan, for whatever reason, started showing up so I've been getting a lot more

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 better response out of your staff.

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 I've been waiting all week to do that.

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 Well, nice you showed up at least at that.

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 Alright, your 35E Mayhill project, we had a good meeting with your development crew.

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 There is a question about the James Wood right away impacts associated with the remainder

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 and your development department met with us last week and was very helpful in giving us

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 an opportunity to at least try to get out of about a million and a half dollar impact

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 that we'll have to pay on the James Wood site and it's pretty much consistent with your

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 development review policies anyway so it looks like it's a win-win for everybody.

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 So we continue to move forward on the right away acquisition on this project and it has

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 a November 2020 let date and we are still on track to meet that date.

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 Your Luke 28 Brinker project, I don't know if you've driven by there, they are now currently

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 putting the asphalt down for the southbound main lanes at the 288 section, it's still

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 shooting for a September time frame for the southbound Luke 288 exit to be permanent exit

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 to be in place and then the Brinker underpass being open to traffic.

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 It really depends on right now OHL.

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 You may have already been in the process of answering but you said OHL and so for me I

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 know that Brinker, Loop and Teasley and then the on ramp on Dallas Drive, those are all

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 connected correct and so I as well as a lot of other council members and then things we've

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 passing off the staff have been getting several several comments and complaints and requests

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 for Teasley and 288 and so why this slide is up here if you could talk about how these

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 are all connected and at which point are they all going to open at the same time or will

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 one open and then in a month later another will open because I know that they all depend

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 upon each other some form or fashion.

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 So the answer on Dallas Drive is Dallas Drive is one of the last things that opens because

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 it opens when the 288 interchange is completed which is the last thing to be done but in

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 the next 45 days you're going to have the on ramp back in place for the mall so as you're

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 going north you can get on without having to go up to Teasley.

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 That will also fix the exit for the Dallas Drive from one two lanes to one.

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 That same 45 day period the week we could open Brinker today from a geometric standpoint

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 except there would have to be a stock condition on the frontage roads and the temporary off

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 ramp comes and exits right at that location so it's a dangerous situation.

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 So once we get the same 45 day period the new southbound exit for loop 288 or just past

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 loop 288 for Brinker and Mayhill let's exit the Mayhill exit move back north and so the

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 temporary goes away then the only thing left is the signal which is where I was fixing

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 to go.

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 We're ready to go on that the City of Dent's done everything they're supposed to do but

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 OHL isn't shockingly isn't playing ball with us on it so they're the variable on that signal

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 so I think your staff is thinking that if it gets to push to shove don't let me misquote

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 you all that there may be a way for you all to come in and help with the signal installation

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 and I'll let somebody else amplify that.

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 So obviously that's part of the contract for the OHL contractor but in interest to expedite

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 the intersection if we needed to that we have thrown the position out that we might be willing

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 in to go in and install these signals if need be we're still working through that issue

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 that's absolutely something we're exploring and the impact of that from an in-house standpoint

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 what would that mean in a way materials methods and getting the crews out there to actually

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 So in that same 45-day period what you'd also have is while they're still working underneath

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 loop 288 for the main lanes you'd have both of your u-turns functional so a lot of traffic

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 that's trying to get to say Brinker and the Bucky side they can't cross here they go up

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 sets through the light and turn and come through once we get those in the next 45 days to u-turns

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 they'll be able to come up make the u-turn and come back south and not actually set through

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 the light so you should start to see slight improvements over the horrible condition that's

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 out there in the next 45 days but the opening of Dallas Drive is probably the very last

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 thing southbound that you'll see on this project.

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 So just a recap and for clarification and you step in so within 45 days we will see

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 at least one of these intersections improve or open and then possibly both of them.

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 The asterisk is we're dealing with OHL but that's their schedule and they appear to be

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 doing the things that they said they were going to do in order to make those things

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 happen but I never want to be in the position to defend an OHL for anything but yes that's

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 what and Councilman Ryan was at the meeting we had a fairly spirited conversation about

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 this whole issue.

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 Your staff is very proactive trying to get things done in this area.

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 I appreciate that they're very responsive when we get complaints and there's just a

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 lot of frustration built up from the community right now from this area.

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 Well that's the good news is right as we get this done we'll start doing the same thing

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 to mail.

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 I've got some more news for you too that's going to be same as the one.

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 Yeah I was just going to say just another thing that came out of the meeting is the

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 exit for Brinker that temporary exit will be down for about a week at least that a week

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 is there what they're saying so again OHL works on football time so one week probably

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 means three weeks but we're in order to get to Mayhill exit you will have to actually

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 exit on 288 for that time period.

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 Yes so what happens is thanks about that so you've got your temporary offer up here and

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 your permanent is going to be here and so what they have to do in order to once they

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 build the permanent they got to have that closed in time for them to remove the temporary

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 so there will be a one week gap where if you want to get to Brinker or Mayhill coming from

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 the south from the north you'll have to exit and come through the loop but at that point

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 we should have two lanes of traffic on the frontage road to turn and two lanes to go

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 through and the U-turns in place so we're hoping that we offset the pain with a little

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 bit of capacity but yes there will be a one week period where you won't be able to get

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 to Brinker or Mayhill from the north.

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 To add to that staff will definitely look at the signal timings and add more green for

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 that particular approach so that people are not stuck and back up all the way to the freeway.

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 This is traffic engineering involved theory just like the curbs alright so that's pretty

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 much what I just told you there 35E here's the news so the I-35E 3535W merge in next

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 Thursday or whatever the fourth Thursday of the month is the draft unified transportation

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 plan shows this project being fully funded at three hundred and twenty million dollars

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 so it was a little over what we thought and less than what I thought so this project is

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 fully funded and it's looking for a hit date let date of January 2023 AECOM is doing the

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 design even as we speak they were working on an interim and an ultimate and now they're

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 just going straight for the ultimate so fully funded we got our money so that's additional

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 lanes on 35W going north the weave merge issues with 35E resolved the frontage roads in place

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 all the way to 77 your braided ramps in this area your improvements to the interchange

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 of 380 we're going to work with tech stack because the next project I got good news on

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 as well 1173 tie-in so we can fix this issue up here just north of look 288 which also

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 includes half of the direct connect for loop 288 so 320 million it's draft right now but

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 they've already published it to the public and they'll vote on it this coming next two

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 weeks or Thursday whatever the fourth Thursday of the month is that's bumper bricks so when

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 you say it's fully funded that's good news but is there is there a time limit to use

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 those funds once a project is fully funded yes so these are these are not just text dollars

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 they're clear lane funds and the clear lane funds the reason we were able to get the clear

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 lanes funds is this project's already environmentally clear we're already doing the design and we're

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 already acquiring the right-of-way so there's we that's what Todd and I were talking about

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 the good news is this project is now fully funded the bad news is they're gonna want

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 to hit that date as much as possible which means your Bonnie Bray improvements are now

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 under the bubble just about to ask you when is that supposed to be done improvements are

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 under the bubble and oh by the way if you've got any utilities in that corridor those are

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 under the bubble but I think Todd's been working with that preemptively so I might defer to

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 his wisdom if he wants to expect any of that yeah can you remind us when Bonnie Bray's

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 gonna be all in place so the target for Bonnie Bray is to be complete by the end of 2022

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 so we should be ahead there the challenge now is that Western has a very limited distance

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 that it covers four lanes it goes from Jim Crystal down to FM 1515 which will also be

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 under construction and not too distant future so what we've really got to find is a route

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 that allows Western to operate under this scenario from 380 all the way down to 2449

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 to be that relief route from north to south so as people enter into that merged construction

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 zone they're going to be looking for alternative routes with all of this I-35 construction

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 going on all at the same time our concern is that Bonnie Bray will get overloaded so

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 you really need that auxiliary bypass over off to the west which has not been our rate

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 on our radar until now it was something you know this project had been 2026 in the time

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 frame to start construction and it put us in a time frame bill allows more development

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 to come in potentially impact fees to build and West Park turds to help offset some of

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 the costs in that area along with some other development going on south of FM 1515 help

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 really push that arterial expansion but we may not have that luxury if we want to stay

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 ahead of construction woes may necessitate that we start looking at some other alternatives

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 or as John and I were talking about potentially asking the state could you push that date

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 back a year or two just so that we can figure out how we're going to handle this so we're

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 exploring those alternatives John really wasn't aware that this came down quickly over the

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 last two weeks so we're all still adjusting to what are the impacts from a mobility standpoint

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 and what are our options we're working on that but we don't we don't have all the answers

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 just yet just to follow up on that and for a reminder that this section is the project

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 that's going to help that 380 interchange right that backs up and it's so crazy so if we don't

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 have to postpone it a year or two I would prefer not to do that I would so post not

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 the right word typically okay you let the project on attrition drive it schedule a little

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 further out so these dates are going to be target dates the tech stops gonna really really

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 really try to hit but that typically means that they will slide some from what they think

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 is this is a guess what these steps are going to take so we'll continue like I say I'm I've

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 been around to that long time you got some pretty good horsepower in this room to get

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 this stuff done and I feel confident that we're up to the challenge is there a way to

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 phase it so that the parts we want most happen sooner just like we did on the OHL job absolutely

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 that wasn't what I meant once it's let the contractor has we could put stuff up front

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 which what that's what we need to do we'll meet with the task force and as they're putting

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 together the package we'll put in special provisions that you know like on 35 they couldn't

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 when they were doing the AGL they couldn't do two consecutive interchanges at a time

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 I mean there's things like that that we can do to try to to maximize the potential for

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 getting mobility back in a quarter and minimize the congestion during construction that sounds

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 good so 320 million projects fully funded now we're under the bubble for all kinds of

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 stuff to get done now your 35 north project this one also has been funded at five hundred

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 and forty six million dollars so you're talking about just under a billion dollars which to

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 put that in perspective text that actual dollars in 35e was about 660 million the rest of it

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 was RTR and TIFI alone so they've already got a higher investment in I-35 and the wishbone

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 and all these improvements here than they did in the section to the south so you're

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 talking again this one's a little bit closer because we're we are we've been out there

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 longer this project's been on the table forever and this was the one remember I've kept coming

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 to you going the region did not fund this project because we're playing chicken with

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 Austin to who's going to fund it because they can't not fund this project and so this is

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 now fully funded through clear lanes and category 12 funding so again this project is fully

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 funded and we're on a tighter schedule here there's on the section to the south so that's

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 what the bricks so without a manage lane or with this is recorded right without so can

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 we just take a moment it's a little hard for me to put this all together like how does

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 the timing then work you know and the impacts between this the wishbone and body break right

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 because this hits first and it's gonna back things up more right and there it is all right

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 so the challenge is going to be it's what we've been talking about for a couple years

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 now the challenge is going to be when the 35 construction goes you're going to have

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 a lot of changes in lanes you're going to have some traffic pushed over to frontage

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 roads I mean it's going to be a variety of things so as pressure builds on the i-35 quarter

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 like you're seeing on i-35e right now going south consistently as you come into the brinker

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 road in the loop 288 area backs up every day all the way up to at least mccormick on sometimes

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 other times it gets to fort worth drive it could go even further you're talking about

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 almost the exact same scenario everybody's trying to get two homes that are off of that

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 university drive exit how do you provide provision for them to get around it as they're working

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 the 380 interchange and try to make that better you're automatically gonna have folks using

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 their ways apps or whatever app they're using on their phone and it's going to drop them

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 down pathways that provide the least amount of resistance so bonnie bray is going to be

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 a key target for that but you know this is an even earlier time frame right we should

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 still be the time frames we currently have with bonnie bray we would be complete with

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 phase six so that's everything north of university drive that would be complete before summer

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 of 2022 so that's the date of september 20 let date of september 2022 basically means

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 that jay wouldn't probably start till the first quarter 2023 right because of the the

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 mobilization and the bonding and the contracting it's usually 60 to 90 days before they come

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 out and so the other special provisions we're going to try to add because of the dollar

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 amount if we can combine these two that's good if not it doesn't matter because they're

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 both fairly large is try to include in the special provisions of the same requirements

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 on them that we had on agl to have a public relations firm and their whole job is to keep

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 the corridor in the public involved in what's going on on a daily basis email alerts daily

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 lane closures etc and stuff like that that's that's all good i just want to if i can just

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 kind of want to get the big picture of the sequencing so so we get the northern part

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 of bonnie bray in place then that hits then we get the southern part of bonnie bray in

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 place then the wishbone construction hits that more or less the the big picture that

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 was our original timeline for bonnie bray was to come back and do phase four and five

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 once six is in place which is that segment between 35e and 380 we're not going to have

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 that luxury going forward so where we're potentially going with the 2019 bond schedule would be

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 all of bonnie bray under construction over the next two and a half years so that we are

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 ahead of this schedule and bonnie bray is done before it takes that were to kick off

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 the 35 construction john you had points just a couple of points one is there's there's

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 crossover between this project and the other that you see this one runs from 380 north

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 and the other one goes all the way up to 77 so you really only have four months difference

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 between the start dates one is september of 22 and one is january yeah good point the

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 wishbone that we were going after we were going after under the assumption that we wouldn't

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 get the funding for this so we do have the funding for both so the limits are actually

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 wishbone to 380 380 to the county line from a csj or project standpoint but we're reporting

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 it because it's all one giant project so so you're going to do that northern part twice

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 well wouldn't be the first time this is recorded right okay all right and so your 35 w main

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 lanes again this is hntv text i've picked them up to do the ultimate improvements from

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 the wishbone where we leave off all the way down to the kyan with tarrant county and and

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 so a little bit more nuance on the managed lanes on the on the section in the 35e project

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 in this area there will be the addition of because there are managed lanes proposed so

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 city of dentons not really have any managed lanes they in the interim they stopped in

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 the lake cities right but in the ultimate project there are managed lanes through the

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 city of denton and they narrow down to a single lane in each direction coming north because

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 the lane balance and they pick up and have two lanes in this area going north and two

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 lanes coming south from 380 so in the ultimate improvements they will build the area for

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 the managed lanes and so if i don't know if you've even noticed it when you go across

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 the bridge over 407 going south that bridge is built for four lanes of managed lanes two

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 in each direction they just simply have a barricaded off right now because we're only

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 using one lane in each direction i mean two lanes contraflow so we will be building the

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 ultimate managed lanes for this section of 35e and 35 as were per the plans that were

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 environmentally cleared so when you get to and there will be no managed lanes in this

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 segment however we're building it as a rural cross section rural cross section has the

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 same footprint as an urban plus or minus urban cross section with managed lanes so we're

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 leaving that option in the future although the proposal here is for a rural freeway so

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 then you get to 35w again it was started out its life as a managed lane project three two

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 two three three general purpose two managed lanes two managed lanes three general purpose

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 but in the political environment we found ourselves in we we converted it in the last

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 mobility plan to a rural freeway so it's just three three but in a larger footprint from

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 a right away standpoint to preserve the corridor so that's what they're doing on this job the

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 critical path time frame is a schematic approval because that ties into this project where

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 we're doing the frontage roads and and what communities along this corridor need right

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 now more than main lanes is frontage roads because you can't develop without them and

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 so if you see what's going on in this section to the south where we're adding frontage roads

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 as development comes in you're already seeing a significant amount of development it's actually

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 one under the knife before we even got these projects finished so the intent is to have

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 frontage roads continuous frontage roads from tarrant counting all the way to that project

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 that we just showed you that's fully funded now and this one is you know 300 million bucks

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 and it's got a what they call ready to let of 2023 which means all the right of ways

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 acquired and utilities are relocated but that's that's a tall order counselor bricks is this

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 the and the area where this committee made the decision regarding vintage and how this

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 freeway is going to exit or are not yet so yes ma'am in where 2449 comes in right around

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 in here I believe we only have grade separations or direct connects I mean from the west to

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 the north and the west to the south there's no vintage grade separations that allow you

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 to free flow onto the freeway you're gonna have to come to the box stop at a light and

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 then go and that was because when we drew out the direct connects to go tie into vintage

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 it went significantly into the neighborhoods and it essentially would have turned vintage

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 into a a arterial loop and I don't think y'all were interested in that so we just chopped

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 off the direct connects and it's a physical stop at a light for vintage but if you're

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 coming from 2449 it's a free flow north and a free flow south on the 35 w that's your

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 question yeah well I just wanted to update I don't know if you were hearing you any of

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 that from that conversation yeah so this is y'all do a lot of work on body brave vintage

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 and what that will encourage is you know easy flow but if you put a mondo direct connect

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 interchange which looks you know pretty much something like that what crosses that it would

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 make it easier for people to use that as a cut through as opposed to going home and so

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 all we did was cut the eastern half of the direct connect off so that you can only go

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 north and south from the west or west from the north and south and again this project

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 we're looking at 2023 to be ready to let they're put it out at 2025 because it's not funded

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 right now and that's just right outside the window that they have to play with but we're

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 moving and so once this project is environmentally cleared after the march 2020 and we get the

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 schematic set what we'll do then is we'll come in if there's a development in this area

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 that needs frontage then we'll just do like we did in the south we'll just build certain

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 sections because once it's clear we can build whatever part we want so it may not be built

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 consecutively as a 300 million dollar job it may be three or four you know 75 million

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 hundred million dollar jobs 380 east okay so these two we're probably at some point

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 in the near future going to break these out into two different projects because text that's

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 saying this project is going to be ready to go to construction faster than this section

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 is and they have a cash flow issue we have to spend some money but remember what I told

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 you there's all this money and all of it's sitting in Dallas County and Collin County

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 but if they can't get their act together they still have to spend the money and so this

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 segment although it's fully funded this segment is going to be ready faster and they have

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 to be able to spend some of that money in that let month so they're talking about working

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 with us to build the green section sooner than the blue because they need to spend the

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 money well that section includes sidewalks sidewalks and Europe and the staff did the

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 trail on that absolutely so February 2021 there may be a date that you're going to see

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 on next mobilities where this is broken out and you'll have an earlier date for the green

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 segment which is literally right around the corner so you won't be able to go south you

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 won't be able to go north and you won't be able to go east stay home go yet West young

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 man Luke 288 again this is a kind of where we were talking about a moment ago the direct

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 connects stop on the western side and they don't tie into vintage there's full interchanges

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 and direct connects at the existing loop 288 we are looking at April 2020 environmental

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 clients will allow us to move forward on this schedule this is a lot longer schedule what

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 they typically put in when they're guessing but because of the gas wells in this area

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 and more importantly the transmission lines in this corridor they have experienced difficulty

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 in this environment before so they're using those dates schedules for the process of getting

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 through those two steps the right away in acquisition which pushes your your project

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 that now with 35 being focused on now the district is the one that's been pushing the

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 loop for a long time so we feel fairly confident that you know as these projects get closer

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 to their maturation that we'll find the where's the dollar amount oh there it is we'll we'll

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 find the 253 million bucks we need to build the project and then FM 1515 we're having

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 a public meeting in August 29 on improvements here it will show a traffic circle into the

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 airport and buzzes back in town from Colorado so he says it's going to show a traffic circle

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 or what do you call it at Western and we're moving forward the schedule to you know be

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 ready to let in a couple years and it's 32 million bucks which sounds like a lot but

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 it's not and I think once we're get the project environmentally cleared we won't be long there

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 after to find the funds because again you the city is entering in an MOU with text out

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 for certain projects where once they're fully constructed to your desires we'll take them

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 off system and turn them into a local street and text up once that as much as you all want

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 it so we feel fairly confident once we get the project closer to its let date that we'll

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 have it funded as well same 1173 once now the 35 is operational for lack of a better

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 word 1173 takes on new life because if we don't get something done 1173 is already underwater

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 not literally in some places but figuratively from a traffic standpoint so we're probably

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 going to be meeting with Garver the contract the engineering firm and text out and finding

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 a way to maybe expedite this project because again 1173 is going to be this is tying into

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 an area that's not functional for lack of a better word right now and once we come in

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 and do the northern segment we'll need FN 1173 operational so we're fairly confident

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 on this job too 428 okay so the RTC in order to get the commission to be interested in

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 the 35s and some other projects in the other region they had to reshuffle chairs on the

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 deck to entice them the dollar amounts that the commission put on 35 and 35e were larger

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 than was anticipated so that means that Michael and RTC had what's called category two funds

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 that were on these projects that if the commission had to pick them up with cat 12 strategic

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 priority and cat 12 clear lanes he would have had to use those funds to make these dates

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 now that they've rolled in and picked these up those category two dollars are now freed

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 up for other things well Michael has been pushing the outer loop in the Collin Denton

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 County area longer than anybody has and when you have all the trauma that we're having

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 on 380 in this area we believe the outer loop because they essentially told us it's now

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 going to go back to being a fairly high priority quickly which drives the fact that 428 is

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 now a critical path item so we're going to be meeting with text up again we're meeting

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 with them in conjunction with your bond program but with the flexibility they now have with

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 the release on the 35 corridor we want to reorient them to this eastern quadrant where

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 you're already having development issues coming down the pack so we got a blank slate

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 right now but I'm thinking that very quickly as things happen in my world this will become

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 operational and we'll be able to give you better information on it going forward and

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 I believe that's it thank you thank you for joining us and thanks for your patience appreciate

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 you coming to visit so I'll call a lot item C receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

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 updates from the den county transportation authority thank you oh yeah oh receive report

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 hold the discussion no decisions well good morning and it's nice to be here Nicole usually

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 provides the update she's she's been out for a while she's recovering she's been ill for

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 a few months but she sends her best to you she says she misses you and can't wait to

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 come back so she it's not too often that people are really wanting to come back to work but

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 she's actually very very excited to come back soon so here she's not well I wasn't aware

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 of that yes thank you appreciate it well I'm here to talk to you about quiet zones so there's

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 10 quiet zones that recently the FRA came in and conducted a visit let's start with

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 kind of what is a quiet zone with regard to the railroad so in order to establish a quiet

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 zone the city actually submits a form to the FRA requesting the implementation of a quiet

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 zone a quiet zone is basically additional safety precautions that are put around a intersection

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 to basically allow the the engineer that's operating the train to not blow the horn as

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 they come into the approach of a of an intersection they typically start blowing the horn depending

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 on the speed about 15 seconds prior to entering the quiet zone they have to continue to sound

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 the horn as you can imagine that creates a lot of noise but it's a safety warning precaution

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 for pedestrians cyclists and and motorists as they cross requires basically to protect

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 the entire zone which is typically a four quadrant zone or four quadrant gate there's

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 directional horns that are localized sound that that carries down the corridor to notify

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 pedestrians and vehicular traffic warning of approach of a of a train and in addition

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 to that there's additional striping that's typically put on to the roadways that indicate

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 that you're approaching the railroad they're outside of what's called the right of way

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 which is typically 50 to 100 feet from the centerline of the track and that's the zone

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 that agency is usually responsible for so the city because the striping and the signage

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 as you approach a zone is responsible for the signage and striping and of course over

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 time these these warning striping and paint tend to wear and the original implementation

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 of the quiet zones was done at the implementation of the the a train service it is required

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 every five years to reapply for certification of the of the safety zone and here's some

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 some some of the safety measures that are typically put in place as you can see in the

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 top left that's the four quadrant gates the the railroad crossing pavement paint that

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 you see as you approach in the kind of bottom center and then some of the other precautions

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 that you can put in is subdividing the roads with medians and then approaching warning

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 signs that indicate whether the first one with the railroad crossing is to indicate

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 that there's no sounding of the horns as the train comes into the approach and so there's

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 different variations of protection that you can put along the street and of course as

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 you introduce trails it becomes more complicated because then you have not only traffic that's

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 coming up to the approach of across then you have traffic that's running parallel to the

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 to the railroad and so there's different safety precautions that that DCTA has to follow as

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 we're crossing intersections but we also work with the city's once a safety zone has been

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 put in or quiet zone in this case has been put in to make sure that we're protecting

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 pedestrians traffic have a question for you in regards to the paint because you said it's

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 the city's responsibility to maintain that paint is it the city's responsibility to notice

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 that it needs to be repainted or does DCTA reach out and say it's time we need our you

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 know or do we have a process for that to make sure that you know it's getting done that

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 is a phenomenal question thank you typically DCTA hires inspectors and they're on the railroad

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 almost every day looking for everything from railroad ties bridge the quality of the bridge

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 and the health of the ride and all of these things signal systems the crossings.

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 Since the inception of the train system we tend to take care of everything that's within

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 that 50 feet because it's the paint is on the streets our inspectors have not been asked

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 to look at that in the past in a new railroad you typically it's like buying a brand new

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 car right you tend to not worry too much about maintenance as it starts getting older you

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 have to make sure that you're maintaining it and of course you should be looking at

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 it every every few years so it's something that that the city staff and DCTA have discussed

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 that we need to make sure that we have a good process in place the inspection every five

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 years by the FRA and the the actually they come in more often than that the the recertification

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 every five years is to ensure that we are looking at at those types of quality issues

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 that may spur a need for a project so in 2017 DCT actually hired a contractor to come in

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 and recertify the quiet zones we did they inspect them at the time apparently the inspection

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 did not indicate that the wear was at the point that they needed to be replaced it wasn't

416
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:09,100
 until July 30th after the event with the cyclist the bicycle incident that the FRA sent inspectors

417
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:14,700
 in and that's commonplace that when there's incidents they did it a few years prior and

418
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,140
 it's very commonplace when there's incidents along the railroad that they'll send their

419
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:25,860
 inspection team to do a review so they met with city staff DCTA staff they went to Brinker

420
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:32,220
 they looked at a couple of other locations and as part of that process since the recertification

421
00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:41,700
 in 2017 they indicated that the the the pavement paint restriping needed to be redone as you

422
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:47,580
 can imagine with foliage it tends to grow over signage over time we've had a lot of

423
00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:54,180
 rain over the last few years but the railroad typically focuses on what they call the right

424
00:43:54,180 --> 00:43:59,380
 away of the railroad and then we work with the city hand-in-hand to make sure that all

425
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:03,700
 the approach and signage and painting and everything needs to be taken care of and so

426
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:09,300
 this really caught us off guard a little bit with the FRA not that and it's not that they

427
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:15,300
 caught us off guard it's just that they they will continuously do unscheduled visits and

428
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:21,260
 in this case they notified us that they were coming pre-tem was there were several folks

429
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:27,900
 from the city from DCTA and they usually do a great job of of adding advice as they look

430
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:34,260
 at things and suggestions of things that we need to work on so I'd like to add to that

431
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:39,100
 in the past city has not had a program per se to go and look at all these quiet zones

432
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:44,460
 as we move forward to implementing more quiet zones with the Union Pacific Railroad line

433
00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:51,060
 as well as DCTA we will have a program in place starting now we will start reviewing

434
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:57,940
 all these quiet zones markings and signs on a regular basis most likely it might be every

435
00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:04,700
 two years we were not sure at this point what timeline but we will have frequent and periodical

436
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:08,500
 inspections to make sure that everything is lined similar to what we're doing with the

437
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:16,420
 crosswalks throughout the city thank you and so I assume that there's not really a budget

438
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:22,940
 for that right now as far as and so we'll need to do look for right away for the areas

439
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:29,100
 for the signs to trim that back as well and the painting so it will be to it will be covered

440
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:34,300
 under our operation and maintenance cost o and m costs for the traffic operations group

441
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:41,460
 they do that all around the city maintain markings and signs clear signs so it's more

442
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:47,300
 of a proactive approach especially with the quiet zones and we already have one for the

443
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:52,500
 for the crosswalks okay thank you and we'll be looking at our procedures as well to make

444
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:56,260
 sure that our inspectors as they're inspecting the rail line are looking for those types

445
00:45:56,260 --> 00:46:06,500
 of issues as they come up I think this is what the mayor calls scar tissue as I mentioned

446
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:13,100
 in 2017 all the quiet zones in Denton were recertified by the FRA so literally two years

447
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:17,400
 ago there wasn't any indication that there was an issue again this has to do with with

448
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,140
 wear and tear it's not to say that that condition didn't exist it just didn't come up as part

449
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:28,860
 of the recertification program so I'm gonna move this conversation along so on the on

450
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:36,500
 the 30th we received the notice if there's more than one or two crossings if it's a crossing

451
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:41,540
 typically they'll give you notice and they'll give you some time to rectify the situation

452
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:45,020
 when there are multiple crossings as you can imagine all these areas were painted at the

453
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:50,900
 same time so you likely all the paint is going to start deteriorating relatively at the same

454
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:58,220
 time and that was the case so what they did is they decertified all ten crossings but

455
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:02,700
 some of the crossings didn't have an issue it's just a process that you have to follow

456
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:07,700
 so the city immediately turned back in a few days and said well there's four crossings

457
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:12,740
 that don't have an issue we were but we needed to make sure that we had consistency so that

458
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:18,180
 we we could start not blowing the horn as we went through some of these crossings I

459
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:26,740
 want to thank city staff the the speed at which they took care of it the cooperation

460
00:47:26,740 --> 00:47:32,100
 that we had between our staff and the city staff was quite impressive I'm glad to say

461
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:39,180
 that from July 30th as of yesterday we stopped blowing horns at all crossings the staff really

462
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:43,460
 focused on it did an exceptional job so thank you for that and there's a couple of more

463
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:48,300
 crossings that we need to address and I'm going to move through some of these unless

464
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:52,900
 you have questions so here are the list of them all the crossings that they said were

465
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:59,340
 deficient but as you can see at pockers page there was no deficiency there was a recommendation

466
00:47:59,340 --> 00:48:05,900
 that we turn the trees back some of the others had no deficiencies they did suggest that

467
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:15,620
 Colorado Boulevard and Brinker that the approach of the trail kind of comes to a tee to sidewalk

468
00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:22,500
 because there's no cut through the median that allows the trail to continue and it's

469
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:29,580
 what it has caused is it creates some innovative approaches from the folks that are on bicycles

470
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:35,780
 to get around not having to get off of their bike across the street or take a left or right

471
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:43,340
 go to the controlled intersection and back over and I can tell you that the imagination

472
00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:48,080
 that people use to not get off their bike is pretty impressive we've had we've installed

473
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,780
 we've hired a consulting engineering firm to look at the entire railroad end to end

474
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:58,060
 or the entire crossing and as it crosses the railroad and make recommendations for safety

475
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:03,500
 improvements which we have made significant improvements over the last two years and by

476
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:10,580
 installing Z crossings which requires the cyclist to maneuver through chain link fence

477
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:15,660
 so that they're actually looking hopefully both ways before they cross the railroad but

478
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:22,260
 as you can imagine we've installed those we met some opposition from the cycling community

479
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:27,220
 because it does cause them to and I can understand as a cyclist you don't want to break your

480
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:33,020
 rhythm but it does require you to break your rhythm and pay attention to the rail crossing

481
00:49:33,020 --> 00:49:38,740
 while we're seeing where they're managing to get all the way around the Z crossings

482
00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:44,460
 and so it's a constant challenge to try to help people be safe but it's not always the

483
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:51,260
 safest thing in this case the FRA did come in and recommend suggests that we make cuts

484
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:58,100
 through the medium so that the folks that are on bicycles and pushing their kids on

485
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:03,340
 strollers can make a better transition across those two intersections and we're working

486
00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:07,620
 with the city and believe the engineering is almost complete on those two cut sections

487
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:14,140
 DCTA is actually going to fund those and hire the contractor so that we can get those done

488
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:17,940
 as soon as we can.

489
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:21,220
 The other quiet zones that we're working on is that outside this list?

490
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:22,220
 Correct.

491
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:27,020
 Okay so is there a way to pull sort of an extra win out of this little setback by just

492
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:32,500
 because of the fact that we've got their attention and to maybe use this moment to move forward

493
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:35,540
 on the other quiet zones we're trying to achieve?

494
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:39,420
 So the other quiet zones are on Union Pacific Railroad.

495
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:45,220
 It's a whole different system, different ballgames, different corridor, completely different.

496
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:48,660
 Okay no competition between the two?

497
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:52,340
 And by the way the FRA wasn't picking on the city of Denton.

498
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:56,060
 They've already notified the city of Louisville and like Dallas and everyone along the corridor

499
00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:01,660
 that they're coming through making these these inspections and once they start seeing some

500
00:51:01,660 --> 00:51:07,340
 deterioration and they're focused on a corridor they actually and it's a great partnership

501
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:08,340
 with the FRA.

502
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:12,860
 We've always had a really good relationship with them and they come in and they suggest

503
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:18,500
 and they advise and in this case they said as soon as you've made the repairs you don't

504
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:23,460
 have to file a report just send us an email so you can stop blowing the horn because they

505
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,660
 do care a lot not only about passenger safety but working in partnership with the cities

506
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:32,180
 and the railroads and so my thanks actually goes out to the FRA as well for for their

507
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:35,220
 cooperation and partnership.

508
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:43,300
 So that concludes the the presentation on the quiet zones unless there's something else

509
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:47,060
 that you would like to know or have questions about.

510
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:56,520
 And then I had one other thing I was asked to to quickly respond to a bus stop at West

511
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,580
 Bound University at Bell we had a contractor we'd asked to move it we had some stakeholder

512
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:04,140
 input about the stop.

513
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:08,900
 I'm hearing today this morning that it was actually a stop and I'm going to ask Troy

514
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:14,700
 to come in come up and speak to this particular issue but we moved the stop we started getting

515
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:20,860
 complaints because crime started going up it caused some additional traffic, congestion

516
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:26,740
 and so what we decided to do is move the stop back but I'm hearing this morning that maybe

517
00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:31,100
 our contractor moved the wrong stop which happens every once in a while Troy?

518
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:42,620
 Yeah go ahead and it'll be easier for you at the mic better press first of all I think

519
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:45,780
 we need to clarify what the problem is.

520
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:50,900
 I went out and observed the intersection and the problem isn't the westbound traffic in

521
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:57,260
 the westbound stop it's the one going northbound Bell when they stop to pick someone up the

522
00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:03,660
 people heading north on Bell back up into the intersection of University and that obstructs

523
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:08,220
 the westbound traffic so it's actually a different stop that's the problem.

524
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:12,220
 So we're going to move that stop we've got to go through a notification process there

525
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:18,540
 is quite a bit of ridership at that stop and they'll have to go north 400 feet to the next

526
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:23,580
 stop and that gives you enough payment for it because it is just one lane there so if

527
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:29,580
 you've got people behind the bus at the south side of University trying to go north then

528
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:35,220
 we've got to give them enough room to get up in there in the bus to load if that makes

529
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:42,700
 sense. So we're working on it and we hope to have it moved in the next 30 days and then

530
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:48,300
 this problem should relieve itself okay thank you.

531
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,660
 No further questions all right thank you very much.

532
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:57,140
 I do have one because I know you you got a phone call from our city staff this last week

533
00:53:57,140 --> 00:54:06,020
 with I think she might actually be here today but a concern with all the construction going

534
00:54:06,020 --> 00:54:12,820
 on yes and the rerouting of route 7 that no longer goes past Fraser Ranch has that been

535
00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:17,620
 have we worked on those routes? Actually fortuitously Troy has actually been

536
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:22,420
 reaching out I don't Troy do you want to speak to that real quick sorry to make you talk

537
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:33,220
 again but as it stands right now we don't have a good path we have to touch Presbyterian

538
00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:39,260
 Hospital because we have a lot of clients that go to the various medical establishments

539
00:54:39,260 --> 00:55:06,180
 on that campus.

540
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:10,900
 As it stands we've got to touch this area out here and currently we've got a lot of ridership

541
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:16,460
 that goes to medical establishments here on scripture but the 35 foot bus does not make

542
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:24,220
 it down that street so we're having to drop those people on those passengers on the parking

543
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:31,180
 lot at Presby and we've got a small vehicle stationed there every day to transport those

544
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:36,780
 people back down to MHMR because a lot of them can't walk that distance back down the

545
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:43,180
 street so at this time we can't move and not being able to go up Bonnie Bray we're having

546
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:48,580
 to go up the service road and it's going to continue that way until Bonnie Bray opens

547
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:58,300
 up all the way from Oak to University but I think the concern was that you then go back

548
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:08,620
 up by the old hospital up on the west side of 35 and then turn around and come back well

549
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:16,800
 anybody that was previously getting off at Razor Ranch at one of those stops now has

550
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,740
 to get off on the other side of 35 and walk back across.

551
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:28,420
 And to address that problem what we've done is in the August 26 schedule they can catch

552
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:35,060
 Route 4 and come back there's a transfer point right out there there's a dialysis clinic

553
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:39,640
 or some other medical establishments out there in that area that's what the ridership that's

554
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:46,140
 why we touch that area but in August 26 we've changed the schedule so that they have time

555
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:51,700
 to transfer they can remain on the bus until the other bus arrives and then they can transfer

556
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:56,820
 to Route 4 and get back down University you know I kind of applause for a little housekeeping

557
00:56:56,820 --> 00:57:00,940
 just because we're closing in on the bottom there do you have any flexibility on the ending

558
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:10,420
 time for 15 more minutes okay and and we've got a citizen wishing to speak but it this

559
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:16,420
 notes that you're looking to speak on the on 05 3 which was the decent which is the

560
00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:25,200
 on system that you wanted to speak on this item okay all right so when we complete the

561
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:33,500
 presentation then I'll have you come up okay sorry might I suggest that we allow her to

562
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:40,180
 speak so that we can we can understand the issue yes Troy has I had asked Troy personally

563
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:45,940
 to reach out to you to understand exactly what the issue is so that we can try to address

564
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:53,260
 it I don't even know who you're addressing yet so you know so okay if you come up to

565
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:59,500
 the mic thank you state your name and address you know three minutes and what's no right

566
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:05,180
 up here and yeah yep and after you state your name and address your time will begin thank

567
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:15,100
 you Eva Greco 802 West Oak Street in Denton I ride that I work on University in the razor

568
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:24,260
 ranch area I ride the seven bus every day unfortunately it stops running and when I

569
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:34,140
 get out of work so I have to look for transportation or take an uber home the way the bus is running

570
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:41,100
 now I have to get off I left work early yesterday and it was just plain heat exhaustion because

571
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:50,060
 every day I have to get off behind the Waffle House and walk back towards University to

572
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:57,140
 get to my job it's very very dangerous and it's not just myself it's other passengers

573
00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:05,740
 also with this heat it's really horrible it's just horrible as far as connecting with the

574
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:14,540
 number four bus before the schedule was changed the number four bus was there waiting okay

575
00:59:14,540 --> 00:59:21,900
 now if I get off behind Waffle House let's say the number four next number four bus is

576
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:30,780
 not for 40 minutes as it is now because of the new bus schedule change I have to leave

577
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:41,960
 my house now at least an hour before I have to be at work the buses the schedule keeps

578
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:52,780
 changing which is a big problem for everyday passengers okay there is no communication

579
00:59:52,780 --> 01:00:05,100
 with DCTA at all the communication is horrible traffic is rerouted to come down panhandle

580
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:11,340
 every time there's construction you know buses are rerouted onto the side streets and I live

581
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:16,460
 right in the middle of the historic district so it's been rerouted quite a few times comes

582
01:00:16,460 --> 01:00:25,420
 right past my apartment and I don't see why the bus can't take the side streets I know

583
01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:33,220
 there's infrastructure issues but right now you have and I have seen it tractor trailers

584
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:39,660
 coming through the side streets because of the you know closing off and I'm sorry excuse

585
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:47,980
 my back everyone um you have heavy vehicles coming through the side streets now because

586
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:54,380
 of the construction and we just can't see you have minimum seven bus stops that are

587
01:00:54,380 --> 01:01:02,460
 being bypassed passengers are not made aware of this when this first happened you're standing

588
01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:10,480
 at a bus stop and waiting and waiting and a bus is never coming because it's been rerouted

589
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:17,340
 there is no signage there is no notification there is I still have a January schedule there

590
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:25,980
 is no note schedules are not up on the buses you know okay thank you I really appreciate

591
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:31,500
 you taking the time to come to two public meetings to make us aware I hope you feel

592
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,500
 that you know you're gonna you're gonna hear response from like the president of DCTA

593
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:39,940
 somebody was supposed to call me back last week and nobody's called me yeah so so so

594
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:50,500
 so when so once you go if you'll leave the mic to those folks let's let's get a response

595
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:55,900
 do you want to give any response now for us um let me see if I can where are you coming

596
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:59,860
 from ma'am where you where are you coming from what's your origination of your trip

597
01:01:59,860 --> 01:02:06,300
 where are you getting on to the route seven um I get out by uh West Oak and Desing Street

598
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:12,180
 in front of Dr. Simms office okay we're still going down that corridor right seven still

599
01:02:12,180 --> 01:02:20,100
 goes down that corridor yes it does so your issue is is getting from and we can do this

600
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:24,740
 offline if y'all want let's do this I mean I'd like you to if you can't address the parts

601
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:30,620
 that are you know general general you know impact like so notification about route changes

602
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:35,460
 and yes the general issues yes thank you I'll try to wrap it up quickly but we will if you'll

603
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:38,820
 stay with us we will meet offline thank you I'm glad you're here today because we have

604
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:44,740
 been trying to reach you so that we could address the issue there is a an application

605
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:48,860
 that you can download that will notify you it's not even an application you can just

606
01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:54,780
 subscribe to our rider alerts that anybody that's using our service will get alerted

607
01:02:54,780 --> 01:03:02,420
 as to when we're making service changes not only service changes but if there is a a reroute

608
01:03:02,420 --> 01:03:09,580
 of our buses which can happen without a lot of notice to us university can also put barricades

609
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:15,940
 in and so we you're correct we are seems like we're always rerouting somewhere our our method

610
01:03:15,940 --> 01:03:20,860
 to reach out to people quickly is through our rider alert service and that'll at least

611
01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:28,500
 inform you when we're having to make changes because we travel through these roads as frequently

612
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:35,420
 as eight minutes 15 minutes there's a tremendous amount of frequency of these vehicles having

613
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:39,740
 to get up and down roads and what we need to make sure of is not only that we can get

614
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:44,920
 down a road but that we can get down and make the appropriate turn so that we have the ability

615
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:50,100
 to continue on our route when we get into neighborhoods it definitely creates a dangerous

616
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:56,540
 situation and because we have so much frequency and we don't have the luxury much like an

617
01:03:56,540 --> 01:04:00,180
 18-wheeler deciding when they're actually going to go down one of those side streets

618
01:04:00,180 --> 01:04:06,100
 that's a very dangerous practice but safety is at the top of our priority we want to make

619
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:10,220
 sure that we're not disrupting people that are living in these neighborhoods so to start

620
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:14,900
 rerouting a lot of buses through the neighborhoods we have to take a lot of concern we also have

621
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:19,120
 to make sure that if a bus could actually turn down the street depending on whether

622
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,460
 it's turning right or left whether we can actually do that safely because it's not creating

623
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:30,860
 a blind spot and you do that so often whereas maybe a heavy truck does it once we're doing

624
01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:37,100
 it every day five to six times a week it becomes a concern for us so there's only so many ways

625
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:41,940
 we can maneuver in a neighborhood to get where we need to go but we'll do a better job and

626
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:46,240
 I'll make sure that we meet with you offline on those particular issues that you're bringing

627
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,240
 to concern.

628
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,380
 Committee members are getting restless to get a couple questions in.

629
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:54,120
 Councilmember Ryan.

630
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,500
 Just a suggestion because I didn't I knew that timing on the route is a big thing so

631
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:01,740
 trying to and trying to make a u-turn is a big thing but now finding out that you all

632
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:06,940
 have another bus that sets at Presbyterian a small bus that sits there and takes them

633
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:13,460
 throughout the medical could you.

634
01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:14,820
 Because we can't get our bus down.

635
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:21,900
 Okay yeah okay but in that area that because of the cycle time of that bus route could

636
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:27,980
 that bus also pick up people that need to go to razor run through you know run them

637
01:05:27,980 --> 01:05:32,180
 over there again a small bus can turn around easier than a big bus keeps your big bus on

638
01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:34,620
 time that bus driver is already sitting there.

639
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:44,780
 I don't know what how to take a look at it sure if you could look at the time yeah right

640
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:51,700
 sorry you began hearing let's move the mic I don't know because at the same time you're

641
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:56,300
 not dropping off people at razor you're also not picking up people at razor and councilmember

642
01:05:56,300 --> 01:06:02,020
 Briggs did you have something you wanted to okay I'd like to get a staff report as a follow-up

643
01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:09,460
 on just what the procedure is for for informing riders of route changes yeah I think that's

644
01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:16,740
 we go through a very rigorous we're required to by the FTA to go through a very rigorous

645
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:23,600
 process where we actually hold stakeholder forms we put notifications in the paper we

646
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:29,780
 have open we try to reach or go to places where we can impact the most people and notify

647
01:06:29,780 --> 01:06:35,740
 them the DTC libraries different places post postings at the bus stop sign post postings

648
01:06:35,740 --> 01:06:40,500
 I don't I don't know that we put a posting on every bus stop sign we have 400 plus bus

649
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:47,180
 stop signs but nobody but I mean at the at the pardon me understand and I'm not here

650
01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:54,980
 to you know I'm just responding to what I'm hearing you know the sort of clear suggestion

651
01:06:54,980 --> 01:07:02,100
 of the situation if it's as it sounds is that on the bypass stops you'd want to have something

652
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:08,300
 present to let you know this isn't active now you know right like if that if it's the

653
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:12,460
 way just the way it sounds to me I'm just hearing what we're hearing if seven seven

654
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:15,660
 stops are passed you wouldn't want people standing there not knowing that nothing's

655
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:25,420
 gonna come sure don't walk so far away the only stops that were not active at this point

656
01:07:25,420 --> 01:07:31,420
 are the ones that are on Bonnie Bray we still have service to the other stops on the university

657
01:07:31,420 --> 01:07:37,140
 seven doesn't go through there obviously the four still go through there so you're talking

658
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:42,500
 just a handful of stops that we are no longer served yeah more to this point maybe we can

659
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:47,980
 put some kind of bag over that says not signs not active yeah even if it's one right this

660
01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:52,180
 you know don't wait here suggestion because we're breaks did you want to add something

661
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:58,020
 now all right are we are we good for today and then you'll be following up with the speakers

662
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:03,460
 thank you thank you very much all right we've got to do a little housekeeping we have six

663
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:09,860
 more borrowed minutes potentially what our staff priorities are councilman Briggs so

664
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:15,820
 I requested the vision zero presentation mostly as a step to get it to council so that we

665
01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:21,980
 could pass a resolution so if it's okay with this committee we just can move that presentation

666
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:28,260
 up to a work session or get it somehow if because I'm completely in favor of it especially

667
01:08:28,260 --> 01:08:32,820
 with all the traffic and everything and the construction we have going on I think it would

668
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:43,700
 be a good consideration no objection okay so is can can you move forward with that and

669
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:52,900
 then then we would just move on to E if you do do you want to do item E with us in the

670
01:08:52,900 --> 01:08:58,940
 time we have is that is that adequate can we do e pre temp yes okay so open so we're

671
01:08:58,940 --> 01:09:03,300
 going to move item D up to work session and I'll open item E receive a report and hold

672
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:07,520
 the discussion regarding the city of Denton mobility plan work completed and plan future

673
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:17,340
 task items and the market set Pam will she's going to slip skip over a few slides so that

674
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:31,420
 I will talk quickly I just noticed yours 14 okay so basically the update is we had a technical

675
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:36,980
 stakeholder committee meeting on July 11th we had our first round of public meetings

676
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:44,020
 we had two we are scheduling a third one this month on the 22nd we the consultant collected

677
01:09:44,020 --> 01:09:51,740
 a lot of data we're looking at existing conditions I wanted to share some of the boards we had

678
01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:58,460
 set up at the public meetings the timeline basically what is a mobility plan so these

679
01:09:58,460 --> 01:10:04,820
 are the boards we received feedback on bicycle facilities and we will be sharing the results

680
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:11,140
 next month and this is some of the data the consultants pulled for existing conditions

681
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:19,620
 roadways bicycle pedestrians this is all saved online so you can look at those numbers later

682
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:25,620
 this next month the biggest push is we're going to continue collecting citizen feedback

683
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:32,240
 we're going to be developing the results sharing the next month and then starting some travel

684
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:39,420
 demand modeling Ryan and Stephanie have done a fabulous job they've created a page online

685
01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:48,340
 there's the link and in there you will find the survey which has 20 very quick 25 questions

686
01:10:48,340 --> 01:10:54,980
 and there's an interactive map people can leave comments on for things to collect and

687
01:10:54,980 --> 01:11:03,060
 will the staff will the team will look into those as we move forward and that's it thank

688
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:14,060
 you there's a couple of record I pointed out to Sarah and the committee what is it called

689
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:18,540
 committee on citizen engagement just there are a couple of logic flaws in the mobility

690
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:24,300
 plan survey where it asks when you bike you know there are a few questions about when

691
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:29,300
 you bike so there's no opportunity if you don't bike to respond or say NA or something

692
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:35,700
 and similarly there's a section on how you feel about your children going to school and

693
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:42,180
 not everyone has children going to school so you need a logic path for that other comments

694
01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:47,740
 or questions just a question so I see that there's the survey and then there's the map

695
01:11:47,740 --> 01:11:53,420
 but is there within the survey a section just to leave another comment yes at the end and

696
01:11:53,420 --> 01:12:01,300
 a lot of those questions were kind of general we definitely put an option to type in additional

697
01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:05,500
 feedback so there's definitely several questions at the end of the survey that provide just

698
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:12,340
 general questions it's just a comment just the safety and crash data was very informative

699
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:21,540
 which adds to the reason why vision zero would be a really great thing for us to do so I

700
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:28,580
 do want to add we are having a meeting next week as part of the mobility plan it's on

701
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:36,140
 August 22nd 22nd it's at the student ministry center at Argyle United Methodist Church from

702
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:41,220
 six to seven thirty and that's related to the Hickory Creek alignment where we had a

703
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:47,100
 lot of citizen feedback and input about the alignment so we're going to meet them out

704
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:53,500
 there look at different alignments we're going to have almost five or six alternatives receive

705
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:57,900
 feedback which alignment is better and then we'll bring it as a council work session

706
01:12:57,900 --> 01:13:02,960
 item saying this is what we heard from the citizens this is what the alignments are pros

707
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:09,260
 and cons and then recommendations great John can you send that time and date location out

708
01:13:09,260 --> 01:13:16,140
 to the committee yes we will if we can close that item I have a couple of items that I'd

709
01:13:16,140 --> 01:13:21,220
 like to see if they belong on the matrix or not but I'll take others first if you all

710
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:29,340
 have matrix items I don't have matrix but I do have the construction report Forest Ridge

711
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:33,140
 is not showing up on there the signs are out there right now saying that they're going

712
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:40,940
 to start on the 19th but it's not on the street report on upcoming or existing projects I'll

713
01:13:40,940 --> 01:13:51,660
 check into that but that is definitely on the schedule okay my mind were still the conversation

714
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:56,780
 on the taking back Elm and Locust and there was another question about why when is text

715
01:13:56,780 --> 01:14:00,540
 on or when the city going to redo them there's I guess some sections that are pretty bad

716
01:14:00,540 --> 01:14:06,660
 the pavement and my response was well I think they have to fix it before we take it back

717
01:14:06,660 --> 01:14:10,300
 and I don't know if that's correct or not and if there's a timeline on that but I did

718
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:13,940
 notice it's still on the matrix and so I feel like that'll come back to us when we have

719
01:14:13,940 --> 01:14:20,060
 more information and then the crosswalks that the repainting of them when there's some schools

720
01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:23,980
 coming back in session I didn't know I saw that also on the matrix but I didn't know

721
01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:28,540
 another time so I was thinking so I think the first one Todd has an answer but with

722
01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:35,820
 the crosswalks one of the things that happened they were on schedule to be done for UNT campus

723
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:40,700
 all the crosswalks around the campus as well as TWU and it includes the crosswalks that

724
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:46,140
 are mentioned on the university at Bell and the other two locations with the DCT Quiet

725
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:51,860
 Zone coming online and we felt that that was an important issue to address immediately

726
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:57,460
 so we had to kind of move resources around but the sidewalk the crosswalks are still

727
01:14:57,460 --> 01:15:02,340
 on the plan and I think we've pushed that for a week or a couple weeks but we're getting

728
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:11,620
 time on that definitely and Todd has a better answer with the turn back so oh sorry go ahead

729
01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:16,960
 we're currently in discussion with text out on the finalization of the MOU that would

730
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,300
 involve all the turn back items and Elvin Locust is one piece of that but it's actually

731
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:31,700
 all of 77 from I-35E north to 35 then it also includes FM 1515 pieces of 428 all those are

732
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:37,180
 coming together we're doing the utility relocations right now on south Elmin Locust that has to

733
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:42,100
 be done before we get any of the roadway work done and then we're finishing up plans for

734
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:47,900
 all the north pieces of Elmin Locust up to University Drive for the utility relocations

735
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,540
 we'll do the same thing we'll get ahead of text out they're just simply waiting on us

736
01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:58,340
 to get all the utilities moved and there are a lot of them in that right away water wastewater

737
01:15:58,340 --> 01:16:03,820
 storm water as soon as those are shifted and moved which is part of the pack four project

738
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:08,860
 and then we have a subsequent one coming this coming year that'll go to construction then

739
01:16:08,860 --> 01:16:13,420
 text I can pave and they'll most likely start with Locust and go north all the way up to

740
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:19,140
 University Drive from Eagle and then turn around and come down Elm and do it at that

741
01:16:19,140 --> 01:16:25,500
 time so we're gonna be tearing up the roadway places where there are bad spots currently

742
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:31,680
 big potholes and such we'll temporarily patch them cover those until such time that takes

743
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:38,860
 that redo redos the whole road thanks so we're in double overtime I'll just briefly say I'd

744
01:16:38,860 --> 01:16:48,300
 like to have a discussion in a future meeting just about the what happened regarding the

745
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:57,540
 McKenna Park area with the roundabout with the trees with the house just you know I sit

746
01:16:57,540 --> 01:17:03,980
 on Committee on the Environment with this you know same group and well yeah and you

747
01:17:03,980 --> 01:17:07,700
 know I've seen the reports but I just would like to have a conversation about it and then

748
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:15,140
 the other one is I don't know where it falls kind of seems to maybe fall between two stools

749
01:17:15,140 --> 01:17:22,100
 but I'd like to know whether there's an opportunity to look at adding to the rail trail signs

750
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:26,880
 that you know there's a couple of pedestals that don't have signs on them deliberately

751
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,740
 so so that we could add and I wonder you know where we might generate ideas for additional

752
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:37,140
 ones and also there's a correction that needs to be made to one I say that as the person

753
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:42,700
 who wrote them and I will personally pay for that one one sign that needs to be changed

754
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:51,700
 where someone was left off of the women's interracial fellowship marker we're like now

755
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:57,140
 in triple of overtime but go ahead can I just ask for staff's clarification when you're

756
01:17:57,140 --> 01:18:03,300
 wanting a conversation about trees for the location of the body brace scripture intersection

757
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:09,480
 trees well can I get clarification just so that we know better what it is you're exactly

758
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:13,940
 asked for what are you wanting there because well what's our procedure right because you

759
01:18:13,940 --> 01:18:19,580
 know I know that okay so forgive me for taking a little time to have a bit of the conversation

760
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:29,580
 but I you know we made took special pains and committee on the environment to say that

761
01:18:29,580 --> 01:18:34,900
 the tree ordinance would apply to to the city as well but then there you know it doesn't

762
01:18:34,900 --> 01:18:40,460
 seem that there was a procedure that required us to do a tree survey in that area right

763
01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:44,740
 and then you know the outcome is different than I would have expected but also our knowledge

764
01:18:44,740 --> 01:18:51,940
 of you know the pre and of the preconditions in that area we didn't seem to have it so

765
01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:57,620
 so what is our process was it different than what it should be should it be changed also

766
01:18:57,620 --> 01:19:03,260
 what is the actual you know yeah just in kind of what was the sequence of events and so

767
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:08,100
 to be clear you're wanting to know the sequence of events that led to that intersection and

768
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:15,980
 then what we do to the removal of the trees and to end and and without plants without

769
01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:20,580
 knowing what trees without a survey the trees that are there or plan to mitigate as far

770
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:24,580
 as I know maybe there is but you know I don't have visibility into all that so there is

771
01:19:24,580 --> 01:19:31,140
 a landscape plan coming that replaces I'm aware that and and takes care of those issues

772
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:36,820
 the original alignment of Bonnie Bray I just were like I get that I truly want to have

773
01:19:36,820 --> 01:19:41,300
 this to hear your reply and that's fine we can do that I just need to know exactly what

774
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:46,400
 it is we're addressing yeah I think you're you know you already have the information

775
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,580
 you know I don't hope I'm not asking for anything you know new to go create but just want to

776
01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:56,660
 have the conversation okay add mobility or an indifferent venue I think I think it belongs

777
01:19:56,660 --> 01:20:18,660
 to me yeah okay okay thanks okay so entertain a motion to adjourn well then I bloody adjourn