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 all right so thirdly does the conditioner feature which creates the need for the variance

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 result from the property owner's acts in this case uh yes the property owner the original property

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 owner constructed the building in the location it is where the entrance is where it was uh placed

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 by the decision that property owner and the current property owner purchased it or leased it knowing

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 that the entrance was in that location the single-family zoning districts were located where they

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 were at that time our regulations were in place at that time so staff has to determine in this case

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 the need for the variance is created by the result of the uh it is a result of the property owner's

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 actions the fourth point that we consider is if you were to determine as the zoning board of

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 adjustments that all three of those criteria actually were met as opposed to staff's conclusion

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 then you would also need to determine that you were granting the variance not only not solely for

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 personal convenience for financial hardship or reasons unrelated to the property uh now in this

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 case there are reasons beyond solely convenience financial hardship or reasons unrelated to the

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 property for which variance could be granted if all three of those previous criteria were met

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 as discussed the topography of the property does impact where you can have an entrance and therefore

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 the ability to have a lit sign above that entrance and there are benefits to having an eliminated

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 sign above the entrance in terms of directing customers to your door that aren't solely related

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 to the convenience property owner however again in order to approve zva would need to find

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 differently than staff has that all three of those prior approval criteria were in fact met

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 so with that as stated staff is recommending denial of the variance request however should you

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 find differently from staff we have provided the decision that would need to be come to in

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 terms of how the variance could be granted consideration with that that is my presentation

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 i'm happy to answer any questions excellent thank you thank you for your presentation

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 um so do any board members have any questions for staff

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 question so the distinction between single use or single family and multi family like

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 what i guess sort of confusing to me um is the ordinance just for single family or is it for

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 multi-family so the ordinance what the ordinance says and i'm sorry i should have explained this

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 more carefully was single family zoning districts or single family uses so in this case we have

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 districts that are technically zoned only for single family within our code they're considered

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 within that category of single family zoning but due to things that have happened prior to those

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 aren't being put in place those properties which are zoned for single family are occupied by

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 multi-family apartments so thank you i should express that more clearly so i think the ones on

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 the hill yes the ones in your are technically zoned single family yes yes yes and just follow

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 so staff's interpretation was that based on the language the intent seemed to be primarily

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 directed towards single family uses but also for residents in general and so the point is

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 those buildings their entrances not necessarily facing towards the side

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 the is that a west facing that's on carol that can't that is approved for

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 the illuminated signage that it's carol side is a yes right the other side or the

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 manager side is approved for a non so we can still have a sign just kidding yes and both

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 signs are approved right now at this moment including oh sorry including the illuminated

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 sign on the main entrance the illuminated sign facing carol is approved okay the sign facing

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 west oak is approved as a non-illuminated silica okay thank you for the distinction

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 are there any other questions for the say staff okay um all right thank you again for your

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 presentation will uh will the applicant please present any evidence or are you supporting your

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 request okay thank you hi okay yeah oh my name is dina durgam here with ssc signs and mining

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 to propose a illuminated sign on the main entrance for plains capital bank

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 our our main point our need for the illuminated sign is we're putting an atm right below

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 where the front entrance is and for us to have luminaries i think it's important to for safety

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 um me growing up in the same in this area and going to umt i think there's a handful of safety

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 measures email sent out to make sure we're taking extra measures and i know researching looking at

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 atms it's always important to have adequate exterior signage around the atm and that's also

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 important because we have as you know visibility issues with those trees in the main entrance

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 they don't want to you know get rid of these trees they want to keep them there so the only

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 thing we can do to maybe keep it more safety measures around the area is to propose a illuminated

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 sign to create more exterior light for people who come at night to use the atm that feels safe

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 around them and um yes sorry any questions

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 and it's the same kind of photo that um sean opposed actually took this photo and where you

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 see the um stairs their driveway is still i would say like two feet down so this is them walking out

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 to the mailbox so they wouldn't see the sign at all even if they like you said even if they walked

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 up there is some trees they might see it but it won't cause any obstruction to them i believe

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 and according to the bank administration institute most dangerous hours of atm are from 7 p.m to

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 midnight so us proposing a sign illuminate sign in that area will keep customers safe you know able

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 to use atm and notice and it's not visible like i said not visible at all the tree we blocking most

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 of the light from the sign and the neighboring houses are very long driveways so i walked all

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 around here and like he said there is across the street multi-family they also have multiple trees

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 blocking it's really really hard to even see the front of the entrance at that point for plains

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 capital bank and another issue we want to kind of talk about is they have a competitor um state

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 bank has the bigger advantage their sign i mean their building is huge and their sign is visible

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 from the street from any location they come from plans capital bank depending on which street to

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 come down it's really really hard as you can tell even this the east elevations you can barely see

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 it's walking throughout the side and the front so having illuminate sign can you know invite

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 customers knowing that this is a bank that there is an atm there they're able to use it and 24/7

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 and feel safe as they approach that location so i just want to kind of conclude why lighting is

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 kind of important a little bit of lighting can make a big difference it could give a company an

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 edge over the local competition we want to make it possible for customers to see the business at

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 night time to help create an inviting atmosphere if your business is new it can also help to reassure

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 some customers that you're not applied by night organization and we are here to stay so that's

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 kind of concluding what we're kind of going for more of like safety measures for people at night

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 um yeah thank you for your presentation um do any board members have any questions for the applicant

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 uh yes i have a question um because of safety and i walk that area all the time i have family living

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 on oak so i'm very familiar with driving and walking it and all days yeah and how would an

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 illuminated sign on the building add light why not just put lights on the building there is

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 any parking lights every day but i think standing in front of the atm having light right it it

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 creates more light shown so if someone walking by like someone's walking on the street they can see

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 you or but lights on the building right i mean so i mean you're doing signs i understand that and

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 that's not anything else right i'm not sure that i'm seeing the safety part of it so could you

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 explain that a little bit more um i mean i get where your point is maybe to add external lights

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 but i don't know the extent of property and where they can have these lights and where exactly the

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 lights are i think just having we already have a sign up there i think just having the light sign

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 light i think that creates an adequate light right around the atm except putting you know multiple

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 lights all around the building i mean you have the front building i have the side building both

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 illuminated plus the parking lot so that creates all around i think light all around the building

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 all around the exterior ends of the atm so they have lights all around even on top i think that

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 creates more of lighting all the way around for them okay i saw another hand raised uh member

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 i was wondering on the atm do you know where it's going to be in location to the bank the actual

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 building yes it's actually yeah it's already there so um it's going to be oh i'm just had the

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 drawings up it's going to be i think it was on a previous yeah yeah i was gonna say you can pull it up

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 i checked with the you know client they're gonna have like parking lights i just know that general

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 air is very very dark even with those lights around i think it still creates really a lot of

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 darkness a lot of trees which i think shadows it and makes it darker than it should be but so it's

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 right actually in it's right on the outside of the bank correct on the left side of the correct

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 correct yes so i can go right here see this word this uh green areas they have a wall it's all in

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 there now we actually did this around today so should be up there to be able to see if you drove

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 by tomorrow morning should be in place so yeah so do you know if they have any exterior lighting

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 already planned for that atm they the atm has just so i know the atm so this area on the atm if you

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 can see which is placed down that's the only area that would really light okay and that's on the

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 closet that's not gonna create enough light for i feel for us to feel there and feel safe going up

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 there especially as we said at night time and you know beyond the hours of seven when crime is a

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 little bit higher than normal so thank you uh i have a question for you in your previous slide

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 that you had up you were saying the light would be very negligible from far away but then you're

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 talking about a safety concern which it seems like you could have one or the other but if you're not

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 going to see much light out of that illuminated sign i don't really see how there's a real safety

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 issue involved when there will be additional lighting in that area could you explain how it

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 can be both yeah i think that more ties into visibility too like i said there this area is

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 filled with trees i think just it sign to be lit people know that it's a bank it's open you know

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 what i mean i think having the sign sign lit up i actually can see on the on the on the roadway

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 when people coming up the street what you know they can't see that because it's first of all

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 signs not lit up it's blocked by a tree so i think just having that sign lit up they can see oh yeah

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 it's you know it looks like it's a bank it looks like you know there we can see you know i think

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 without having light they're not illuminated you can't tell that's a sign there at night it's really

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 dark like so it's really dark in that area i think just having that sign lit you can people know it's

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 a bank that they're coming to a bank and they're not questioning it that makes sense

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 all right are there any other questions for the applicant i believe that sorry

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 that first day banking reference i don't know is that an illuminated i think it's those are

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 not illuminated like the first day bank that you mentioned the crosswalk adjacent i think both of

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 those are not illuminated as well so there's a street yeah i don't know the other bank that

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 you reference yes there's no limited but they you know they have their own a huge most the tallest

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 building in the area so i think that i mean they have visibility i think that but we're in in

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 issues with if you don't have visibility for the trees we can't like you said we can't move the

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 and they're making another entrance for them and on top of that we have you know we we take it to

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 the side i think that's the most thing even when i went out there i walked all the way around it's

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 those streets don't do justice those look a lot more yeah they're more even more covered in person

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 and they're all the way around i know that we have when i went up there i could barely see that sign

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 and i'm standing like down the street so i think had not limited sign people you know walking up

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 the street like you know at nigh or anything they can see that this is a bank and that it's open and

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 there's an atm there's more inviting right now when it's dark i don't feel like people be feel

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 invited to come to use the atm that won't feel safe i would feel not safe there wasn't adequate

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 light around like the atm especially in a dark area where there's bunches of trees so i remember

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 ray i think yeah i'll just add on there i drove around last night looking at banks in the area

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 that are in similar situations so independent financials on carroll facing out towards r3 on

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 the other side they don't have an illuminated sign on that side of the building first aid bank doesn't

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 sierra bank kind of between oak and hickory doesn't and american national trust which is

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 just down the road also does not have it on the side of the faces in towards residential

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 county so just wanted to add that data point appropriate totally appropriate next time let's

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 wait for deliberations but you're good are there any other questions the board has for our applicants

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 okay thank you once thank you once again for every presentation thank you guys of course

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 now that the applicant and the city have presented their testimony evidence and arguments is there

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 anyone who wishes to speak regarding this variance if so please come forward and state your name and

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 mailing address you have four minutes to address the board unless otherwise specified by the chair

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 okay after hearing all the testimony evidence and arguments and questions and and answers

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 as well as hearing from all those desiring to speak in support and in opposition to the appeal

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 i will entertain further questions from the board for any of the parties or speakers

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 and sure if i may yes the next step is to move into the deliberation phase where we're not really

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 taking any more testimony so for the cleanest of approaches we're going to ask that any questions

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 you would want to direct at sean or the applicant yes now and that once we enter the deliberation

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 phrase they use pardoning questions will go to hayley and myself so last call

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 yeah any uh any questions before we move on to the deliberation the only question i have is we

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 still be able to go through both of their presentations just the materials themselves just not absolutely

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 okay okay so now um i guess in a hearing none i now close the public hearing uh the board will

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 now deliberate inside on the various requests upon the completion of the board's deliberation

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 the board shall render an unbiased decision on the record and and supported by reasons in finding a

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 fact and in considering the appeal of this board shall consider the facts and information the agenda

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 backup including the staff's written analysis of the variance the applicant's narrative the

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 testimony presented in the public hearing and the board's board consideration and evaluation

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 of the requirements of the applicable standards from the code of ordinances the the board may

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 either grant the variance the board shall not grant a variance to any applicant solely for

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 personal convenience financial hardship or other reasons unrelated to the property if the board

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 grants a variance the variance shall be granted only to the extent that is reasonably necessary

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 to the remedy of the hardship the board may impose conditions relating to the use of the sign for

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 which a variance is granted if the board grants a variance the decision shall state that all

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 conditions for a variance were met specify the degree to which the regulations are being varied

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 and be signed by the numbers voting in favor of the variance and the second option is to deny the

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 variance if a variance is denied the decision shall state the conditions for the variance

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 which were not met all decisions of the board granting or refusing a variance shall be reduced to

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 uh writing and signed by the chairperson

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 okay um i guess it's a deliberation in motion in your deliberation i consider the basis for

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 the request and staff analysis for the criteria for approval of the variance a reminder uh for

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 whoever is making the motion uh robert's rules uh which have been adapted adopted by the city

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 council estate motions are to be in the affirmative form of the question being considered by the board

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 making a motion to approve does not mean the person making the motion is an agreement with

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 the motion and the board member is not required to vote in favor of a motion made by them

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 all right uh is there any motion right discussion oh do we need motion in the discussion

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 it's up to the chair we can discuss and then make a motion um

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 okay i think having a discussion then a motion would make more sense

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 can we pull up the slide that you showed that yes

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 can i ask a question i'm not sure the the i think the question about safety

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 i mean or the point about safety is a is a good point is there i don't i don't recall seeing

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 anything like that in any of these criteria how should we think about that the safety components

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 yeah that mentions you with the light a little lighting the right right so um as the board's

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 council um i would say that where you would weigh that um would be remembering that this is about

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 um a sign first but then you can decide whether some of the benefits of having illumination

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 and depriving them create hardship

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 another question for council uh during previous deliberations of this board on the uh the prior

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 meeting um we were told that granting that particular variance would in effect create

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 a license for variances of that type in the future does the same apply in this case i.e.

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 if this various variance is granted that are you talking about the cua pools yes okay this is a

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 little bit different so cua pools was um actually appealing an administrative decision and so in

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 that instance if the board had said staff you got it wrong um because of reasons that um decision

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 would become how staff interpreted that piece of code going forward here this is different

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 here this is a very site specific evaluation of a pretty narrow request and you have three criteria

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 if you decide that they're there then um it could be appropriate to grant the variance

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 the variance only applies to that sign on that property and does not change how the sign code

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 works going forward following that up um would a grandfather in if it's that sign that building

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 and the bank sells and it becomes another no so it's just that sign that building this instance

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 and the reason for that is because our sign code doesn't have a uh relocation provision basically

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 so the plains capital sign would be removed and the in and out burger sign would need to be added

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 okay and it would have to go through the whole thing okay all right let me let me ask you a

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 question uh to me it seems that the lit sign is more of a convenience issue nowhere uh you know

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 in what we're looking at it as a reason to approve it it seems generally it's a convenience for

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 people using they team machine which i certainly understand that but as far as the safety issue is

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 involved i think that somebody that goes to the expense of building a building and as

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 as far as long as it is would be addressing safety issues before it gets down to a internally lit

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 sign that if if this was to me a true safety issue if this would be addressed a lot earlier

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 in the in the prospect of hey we have a real safety concern here we need to address this

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 before we dump x amount of dollars into building and we're not able to do what we want

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 what are your what is the dentons uh philosophy on this on safe on safety uh it's not in there

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 is one of the main concerns or something we should be okay so you've asked a really good

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 question and i'm going to hedge you a little bit because the precursor to your question was um

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 something for you to say and not for me to have an opinion on um healy do you have any development

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 code insight say that the development code in relation to site design standards like how

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 something is landscaped or laid out does lend itself more towards those safety considerations

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 the sign code not so much um i'm not aware of any provisions in the sign code directly related to

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 safety other than like i said some of the some of the intent of the code speaks to preventing

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 visual clutter that would like block the view of motorists and things like that that would be

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 public safety related on the roadways yeah so it's mostly public safety within that area whereas

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 the contention of um the reason is before the board is that there's an inherent safety that

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 having this line that's what the document has stated okay and um staff's case is that um it's

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 we they're not seeing how that those three criteria have been accomplished okay

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 that's a good question um and chair um if you feel like discussion has

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 softened up go ahead and ask for a motion okay um i guess there was one thing i wanted to add

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 i actually well when i was running errands i was actually kind of in that neighborhood so i decided

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 you know what i'll just park by the like the building across and just take a walk around

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 and um i and i did and actually um if you can pull up the picture of like the front of the bank

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 as is currently under construction yes actually that actually that that picture right there actually

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 um so i actually uh walked around and it doesn't it kind of looks small in that picture but that um

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 i guess the leaves of that tree are actually quite they kind of block a lot of like the front top

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 and i actually kind of i walked around i walked i didn't go into the apartment complex because

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 that's a private property obviously can't have i can't trespass for the sake of the board um but

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 i did a walk the perimeter facing oak street and i did see that from no matter the angle i sit at

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 at least from the opposite side i can see that the leaves of the tree kind of blocked that front

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 top and then of course i walked to the uh i guess you would call it the left side of the building

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 too and i did see while there were a couple of apartments that could potentially see that sign

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 most of the ones on that side are obstructed by trees on the apartment side um and only to

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 talk about the leaf and the leaf cover the tree cover right wintertime that's true and until you

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 don't sorry you don't know um if that tree's gonna live that is true because we just stormed we lost

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 three huge trees in our house that is true and actually on the plains capital um presentation

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 there was from carol actually there was a view from carol of both both sides sort of what or was

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 that your yeah if we might have that one as well and share if you want to acknowledge yeah okay um

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 after you made i submitted a exhibit with all angles of the of the um yeah yeah yeah yeah

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 right because you know i'm driving down all the time yeah i mean my thing is on this one's

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 specifically coming from carol we're on carol here is that south on carol or whatever yeah you had

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 south yeah i don't really think the illuminated sign is going to draw from that angle personally

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 i think actually side facing carol is more visible and it's not this is not great here

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 just the location is a great sight line to be honest with yourself okay yeah that was the picture

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 okay does anyone else want to add anything to the deliberation

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 okay um so uh next i guess we are let me see

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 a question uh for staff would i so are we motioning for the granting of variance

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 or should we discuss this part of it yeah that's up to the board um if someone feels so moved to

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 make a motion and if it gets a second then there can be further discussion of the merits of the

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 motion okay it does need to be an affirmative motion is that correct i think that's what we

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 have right that's what it said it would need to be right so for to satisfy my lawyerly heart of

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 procedural goodness let's phrase it in the affirmative so let's go ahead and phrase the

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 motion as if we are going to approve it and if that motion fails um then that functions as a

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 denial it's clunky but um technically the motion for the approval of the variance okay um does

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 anyone would anyone second that motion i just want to make sure yes that's what we were looking

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 for to to enable some discussion so that we can make so that we can take action to vote on it yes

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 you're not required to agree with the motion okay um i'll second that motion okay excellent

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 for purposes of about three after the purpose of the vote

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 and so that we're clear to make sure we know specifically what we're voting for um so when

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 we're voting to approve of this variance that would mean approving of the illuminated sign

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 on that being within 200 feet or less than 200 feet okay um all fit uh all for those in favor of

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 variance can we do further discussion oh sorry yeah go ahead we can go back um i i think i'll

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 be voting uh in denial of this i believe that this can be properly remediated through uh

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 maybe enhanced parking lot lighting um as well as the fact that this is a problem that was

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 material to the building before the purchase was made and additionally the fact that there's

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 several other banks right in this corridor that are all in compliance with the signage ordinance

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 okay um all right very well um further discussion is there any further discussion uh regarding this

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 variance okay um all all right for those all in favor uh go ahead raise your hand say aye

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 okay uh all who are against this variance go ahead raise your hand say aye

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 okay six against okay so the request of the variance is denied okay

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 next on the agenda is concluding items are there any concluding items before we close the meeting

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 i guess if there's none from the before um we do have a couple of other items pending for you also

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 i wanted to um generally see if we'd be like are you all available for the standard july 22nd

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 meeting that's on your calendar or is that date um if it's particularly problematic for anyone

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 just want to make sure we know in advance so we can survey the group to try to find an alternate

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 date in july yeah i'll be here if we need an alternate i think we should work okay thank you

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 all okay excellent uh hearing no items uh other than the one that we just had uh i

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 adjourn this meeting at 6 21 p.m all right