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 Good evening ladies and gentlemen this is the planning and zoning work session

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 meeting for Wednesday August 7th 2019. It is 437. I'll call the meeting to order

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 seeing that we have a quorum and let the record show at the opening

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 Commissioner Pernetta is absent. The first thing on our agenda this evening

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 is to get an update from the Parks Master Plan and Urban Forestry

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 Master Plan. I invite Gary Packin for presentation. Thank you for the

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 opportunity to come and speak with you. I've been with the city since I guess was

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 March of last year so I'm still kind of learning a lot of things. It's the first

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 time I've been the planning and zoning so I appreciate the opportunity to come

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 and speak. I was just gonna I just have a couple brief slides that I wanted to

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 share with you on some of the things that we're doing as an organization in

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 2009 the department completed a new Parks and Recreation Master Plan and

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 typically every 10 years those are done every five years there's an update. We

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 did not have a five-year update done so we were really due for a complete

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 overhaul. So really starting last December but officially January at the

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 state of the city we kicked off our master plan redevelopment. We are doing

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 it a hundred percent in-house for the most part. We are hiring we did hire some

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 subject matter experts instead of hiring one consultant that kind of does a

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 little bit of everything we went and found about 15 different groups that

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 could evaluate what we do from state associations that are in our industry to

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 private consultants to give us feedback on a specific area. So we're taking all

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 that information and getting that feedback as well as we've conducted

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 approximately 30 public meetings so far with the community focus groups

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 everything from a mountain bike group to we're having a rec center meeting at the

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 end of this month to talk about people that use our rec centers to get feedback

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 on those facilities. So it's been a it's been a pretty long process so far and

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 we're trying to collect as much data as we can and get a lot of feedback from

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 everybody on every aspect of the organization and we may have missed a

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 place or two but we'll find that out and get that solved as well. We had a public

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 survey needs assessment that started on January 17th we just closed it on July

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 31st so we're waiting for all that data to come back. We do have some online

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 pick-and-click type surveys that we're pushing out right now to additional

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 focus groups to get some additional information from them and then we are

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 also concurrently with this working on our urban forest master plan and we had

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 our public meeting our first one on August 1st last Thursday evening here at

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 City Hall we had a little over 40 people attend that meeting and we had really

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 good conversation about where we need to plant trees how we need to spend the

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 tree mitigation fund what the priorities are in the community and really just

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 gathering that feedback and using it as a sounding board for the residents to to

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 give their input on what we should be doing with our urban forest forest as

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 part of the master plan process. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. Gary you mentioned

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 that focus group earlier in that where did you get that the for which how did

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 you pick it the focus group well the the for the one that's coming up in August

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 22nd for the rec centers they're reaching out to specific users to come

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 in and then they're also opening it to the public too so it's a little bit of

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 kind of a hybrid type of earlier in a few statements ago you said something

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 about surveys going out to just certain oh yeah where did you just where'd you

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 get so we had our community survey went out to everybody that was a general we

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 we did a mailer to every household so you should have gotten a postcard last

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 spring and then we also did email blasts and social media campaigns for an online

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 versions of that and then we have specific users so city staff is getting

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 one baseball groups softball groups all those sports are also getting ones that

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 give specific information from them those are more of a pick click and choose

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 type thing where there's options you can pick and say hey here's some priorities

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 that we're interested in and then also here's some general boxes you can just

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 fill in open comments yeah so we have structured surveys and then we have

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 open-ended surveys as well that we're that we're working from the mobility

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 plan just had two public meetings last week as well we were there collecting

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 information in regards to trails so we're trying to plan out an entire trail

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 system throughout Denton you know retroactively obviously since those

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 weren't in place years ago would have been the best time to do it but we're

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 trying to identify whether they're floodplain areas along creeks we might

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 be able to get easements or purchase some of that floodplain working with

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 developments as they occur in the city and trying to get some ways through

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 their process whether it's through the land dedication and development ordinance

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 or it's just an outright purchase or a lease agreement where we could get a

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 right-of-way through there and eventually put a trail that would

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 connect city assets as well as you know from downtown to the lake or from

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 downtown all the way down to Argyle or across 35 and working with developments

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 as they occur and trying to get some access through and connecting their

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 property and their development to our neighborhood parks so that's been a

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 major process and then last spring we put together a land acquisition process

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 we really didn't have a way to identify what land was available for purchase

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 that we could look to buy in the future as Denton continues to grow and trying

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 to buy that land or property now for residents 20 years from now how we could

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 go about doing that and prioritizing evaluating that land based on

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 considerations whether it's topography unique amenities a lake those types of

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 things unique tree species a percentage of tree canopy its connectivity to other

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 city assets or schools so we looked at all those types things and put together

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 kind of an almost an evaluation form that we could fill out and score so we

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 could kind of prioritize in some form or fashion so we created that last spring

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 and we had a presentation to City Council an executive session to talk

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 about that so we're using that to try to prioritize and look and see where we buy

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 future parkland we have a million dollars in the 2014 bond program that

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 we're looking to utilize and then we have a little over two million dollars

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 in the tree mitigation fund that could be used for land purchase or tree

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 planting as well so we're looking at where we need to buy land in regards to

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 future development what large parcels are available for larger city parks and

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 then also neighborhood parks we're looking at but we're kind of considering

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 that the developments that are happening through the city through the land

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 vacation we can work with them to identify those smaller parcels that are

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 more geared towards that specific neighborhood so all of those are kind of

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 being laid out in a GIS process right now with with city staff so how we can

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 look at those different layers and the connectivity opportunities the

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 developments that are happening through development services relationship to

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 other city land that's available that could be used for park spaces so that's

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 it's really a dynamic process that we're working through with all the exciting

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 things that are happening in the city and making sure that we try to cover all

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 aspects of today's recreational needs and then anticipate recreational needs

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 for 10-20 years from now we also have a department strategic plan that was

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 started back in 2017 those are all being rolled into the master plan as well as

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 well as the city's strategic plan and then jumping back to the urban forestry

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 plan we anticipate that concluding probably by the end of this year that

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 will also be a component of our parks master plan as well because that's all

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 connected to our park spaces obviously and then an additional plan that we're

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 working on is our cost recovery plan just from an operating standpoint for

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 the department so we can identify our revenues and expenses for all of our

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 programs and anticipate how we can improve where areas we may need to

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 eliminate programs and where we're maybe not charging the right amount or we're

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 charging too much so we're going through that process right now is in cooperation

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 with the city's budget some up from a park project standpoint just a couple

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 projects we're working on right now North Lakes dog park this project started

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 back in really in 2014 is when the thought process originally started and

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 some of the planning efforts it really didn't start until about last May we put

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 together internally we designed this we put together seven different options for

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 the park board and City Council to consider and we came in City Council and

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 Park Board both decided on option three this is immediately adjacent to the

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 Animal Services Center on 77 so it has a really good neighbor where they can

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 bring their dogs over and volunteers could take them for a walk families

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 could test run the dog to see if it's compatible with their family and see how

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 it interacts with other dogs in this park this this development is really

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 utilizing the existing airfield parking lot so that allowed us to save some

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 initial funding for construction but we did leave space right in this area that

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 we could add a parking lot if it's a very popular location

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 Commissioner Beck thanks chair passed by this almost today I do that bike ride

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 that brings that drill around there so I'm watching it is this going to be

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 accessible only from the facility or is the public going to be able to access it

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 outside of that well another trails run along there but is there going to be a

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 fence where that trail is well there's my trail so what you see right now out

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 there are just some square kind of areas and those are the entry gates so we're

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 going to be putting in the concrete circles in the fencing around each one

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 of these areas so each each one of these is a dog run so there's three large dog

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 runs and then a smaller one here and they will be closed at various times select

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 because the dogs I mean they tear the turf apart so we'll be shutting ones

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 down periodically especially in the larger dog area to give that area an

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 opportunity to rest we'll aerate fertilize it so that grass can only

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 accessible from no no actually the parking lot is down here from the

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 airfield yeah off of Windsor okay technically you can walk in here if you

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 want if parking if a lot of people park up here that might be a challenge for

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 us because we don't want we don't want people to overtake their parking lot

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 that's why we left some space here if we need to we can come in back in and put a

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 parking lot in here so we've actually designed a parking lot to accommodate

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 that if needed and we're hoping a lot of people walk to the facility as well we

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 just put a long trail that goes all the way up along 77 and goes north of 77

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 that connects up the North Park 10 foot 10 foot trail goes to North Point and

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 then all the way over to Evers Park so we're trying to enhance connectability

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 and then also provide for opportunities for people who want to drive there as

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 well great and that's expected to be completed we're there's going to be a

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 lot of activity over the next three weeks and then we're gonna probably let

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 it sit for a little bit and let the turf mature because we're gonna saw it let

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 that grow in and then looking to have it open probably in mid-october okay

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 great thanks original projection was by the end of the end of the calendar year

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 but we're gonna be ahead of that and adjacent to the dog park just to the

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 southeast is gonna be a new North Lakes tennis center we had funding in the 2014

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 bond program to redevelop and relocate the existing tennis center that's over

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 next to North Lake Trek Center so we're getting really close to getting that out

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 to bid we're splitting the project up into one of our cost savings initiative

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 is to try to bundle some projects so we're gonna bundle the pro shop which is

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 that the old YMCA building is going to be the main entry point to the facility

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 with American Legion Hall which will be a new senior center renovated facility

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 we're bundling both of those projects together because they're very similar in

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 size to see if we can't achieve some savings from that aspect and then from

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 the the grounds of the tennis courts the tennis center those we bundled with

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 another 2014 bond program which was South Lakes Park tennis court so there's

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 two new courts there and lights being added to that park and if we have enough

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 funding we'll put lights on the existing courts that don't have lights so we're

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 trying to bundle that together because it's similar construction with tennis

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 court companies so we're hoping to get that out to bid probably early fall and

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 start construction you know probably no later than early 2020 and then the

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 playgrounds we did three playgrounds last year were slated to do another five

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 to six this year as well we are those a lot of that was again 2014 bond program

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 so we're trying to get a lot of the 2014 bond programs completed and a number of

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 those playgrounds were outdated a typical lifespan of a playground a play

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 structure is about 15 years there are some variations if it's if it's under

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 shade or if it's under trees that does extend the life span of a play

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 structure as well as vandalism obviously shortens play structure

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 lifespans so we have a number of play structures that are outdated that are

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 20 20 years old so we're trying to get that caught up so we can get into a

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 regular rotation to make sure that we have play structures that are safe we do

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 inspect them on a regular basis to assure that if there's issues we'll take

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 things out of Commission or order replacement parts as needed as well and

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 then from a beautification standpoint we have a number of meeting improvement

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 initiatives that we're doing the islands at Eagle and Elm and Dallas Teasley and

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 Dallas and Teasley are very similar there's old right away that was going

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 through that's been abandoned and just kind of sitting there used for parking

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 lots used for recycling centers and we're trying to clean that up and add

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 more beautification to that so Dallas and Teasley you'll see some activity here

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 as soon as the concrete company leaves the dog park so we're kind of having a

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 multiple places they're gonna put some curbing in there and we're gonna do some

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 beautification efforts there plant some additional trees and landscaping and

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 then the same thing with the Eagle and Elm and we're looking to put maybe even

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 like a welcome to downtown Denton type of signage there and then last year last

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 summer we received a 650,000 plus or minus grant from tex dot a green ribbon

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 grant for University from Elm to Mosh Branch will be improving those medians

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 there are some trees and some of that right now but we're gonna be running

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 irrigation all the way down to Mosh Branch and adding trees and landscaping

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 on though on that thoroughfare and then this summer we applied for another green

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 ribbon grant for 2499 and we haven't heard from that yet so our fingers are

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 crossed on that to run trees all the way up from the border all the way up north

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 so we're looking at how we can improve our affairs from beautification as well

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 as help the environment as well at the same time American Legion Hall I talked

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 a little bit about as part of our bundling project we have two buildings

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 at that location they are detached from each other and they're just basically

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 open free span buildings there's not a really a lot of structure and process to

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 the inside of how that's used the oldest structure has some integrity issues with

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 settling in the foundation that's going to be cleared and wiped off and then a

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 new structure will be built in this place and actually be connected to the the

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 newer structure is built in I think the early 90s so that'll be one entire

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 facility when that's done and that'll serve primarily for our senior

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 citizens and industrial park was a small project that we completed just a few we

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 did a lot of the work last year or earlier this year and we did some

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 additional work with cooperation of some Boy Scouts came in and helped us put

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 down some new sod and we put some plague some concrete pads for picnic tables so

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 that's that's kind of done at this point in time and that's just a little asset

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 for downtown so that's kind of real brief summary of what's going on from a

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 planning standpoint as well as for a park construction Chris Ross thank you

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 Jim Gary it seems I remember a week or two ago there was a South Lakes Park

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 meeting or something can you tell me about that so the reason we had that was

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 primarily for a couple things one was a master plan just to get some feedback

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 from the community itself and then for two construction projects that are going

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 on there one is the South Lakes Park tennis courts we wanted to let them know

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 hey this is a bond program initiative and this is going to be starting up

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 pretty soon do you have any concerns you know any lighting issues or concerns

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 that the neighborhood might have as well as we're looking at putting in a small

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 parking lot of probably 10 to 15 spaces in the northeast corner off Teasley

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 there's a playground right there kind of behind the chiropractor office we put

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 that playground in 2017 and it's created some challenges for those businesses

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 people park in their parking lot and they don't have a lot of parking spaces

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 to begin with and it's created some challenges for them so we're trying to

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 leave that issue by putting in a small kind of trailhead parking lot that

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 people that want to go use that could use that the discussion at the meeting

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 we did talk about that and they wanted to make sure that we had the ability to

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 expand that lot if it was a popular location for people just come and use for

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 the trail itself which is popular that we don't take up all the spaces and then

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 we still kind of just have the same problem so we're going to design it so

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 it can be expanded if needed what where's access for that then that would

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 be off Teasley we had a traffic study engineering helped us get that process

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 going through and they want an additional turning lane heading north so

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 we're gonna have to cut back that median a little bit I'm not real excited about

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 that because that meetings beautiful so we're gonna need a hundred foot stacking

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 opportunity there for people to make that left turn into the park that's the

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 downside of it we're hoping that it could be just a heading south right turn

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 in right turn out and you have to kind of do the loop that but based on the

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 analysis that they want that turning lane Chris you're back thank you chair

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 there was talk it's been a couple years ago there's a little green belt a little

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 but there's a green area that exists between Moore Street where it connects

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 with Luke 288 to the south and then Dutchess Parkway and then that extends

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 across Luke 288 and connects that's an area East McKinney and all that we're

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 starting to develop that is there any plans for any parks over there because

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 it really isn't anything there's a small park over off Mockenburg but other than

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 that there's not much Parkland over in that general area great question so what

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 we've what we've done is with the assistance of our GIS team in tech tech

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 services we've gone through the city adopted in February a philosophy a 10

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 minute walk so what that means is a 10 minute walk for every resident in the

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 city and that's a half mile radius so we've gone through all of our park

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 spaces and plotted basically circles around the edges of all of our parks and

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 that's given us a quick snapshot that how we can see where we're not achieving

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 that goal we could see where the houses are and we could see where the schools

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 are and where we're deficient in parkland so we're using that as our

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 primary opportunity to identify where parklanding to go that doesn't mean that

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 we won't look at parkland that's within that five that ten minute walk radius

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 but that just gives us a higher priority to make sure that we're meeting that so

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 the goal was a hundred percent connectivity right now we're at 41% the

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 national average is 55% there are cities that are 100% but like New York City or

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 something like that's a very dense it can do that but we're being spread out

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 and 90 square miles it's tough to achieve that pretty quickly so it's a

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 long-term objective we also use that GIS to layer where the developments are

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 happening in the city so we could see where we potential may have neighborhood

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 parks that will be in the future by working with developments so that's

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 another way for us to look at land that's coming down the road for future

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 park space well that area seems like it'd be prime for something like that

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 because the connectivity would take you all the way up to Woodrow and beyond

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 into that whole area and then getting across 288 is they could probably work a

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 little underpass for that connectivity too but there's a lot of trees in there

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 so there's room for developing that as parkland I believe it's a floodplain too

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 so good use of that land would be be a part but so there's nothing specific for

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 that right now you're just we have identified a number of parcels that are

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 kind of various sizes more or less the larger pieces as part of the master plan

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 we're looking at you know currently we have you know two or three city parks

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 at North Lakes South Lakes City parks and eventually Southwest Park those

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 larger parcels that can be more of a destination location with more

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 amenities we need to have so many of those when we're at 207,000 people so

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 we're using that standard and NRPA or national standards to determine how many

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 parks we need and what size those parks need to be to give us some direction as

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 well as a 10-minute walk so we know we need an East Lakes Park we know we need

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 a West Lakes Park and maybe even a Northeast Lakes Park somewhere in that

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 aspect so that helps us identify where these parcels need to go and it gives us

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 some direction thank you I did not see any other questions thanks Gary thank

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 you appreciate it next item for business is to receive a report and hold a

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 discussion about the 2019 Denton development code I'll invite Ron

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 Manguita for presentation thank you chair members of the Commission just an

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 update it's been a busy couple weeks trying to figure out what we're going to

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 be doing with regards to the house bills that were passed 2439 3167 just want to

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 let you know that the code amendments that we were hoping to bring forward we

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 are going to be postponing that to a later date no date yet has been

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 identified in our attempt to get it all done before September 1st we sent out

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 notices for the public hearing so one of those items was to change the effective

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 date of the 2019 code which obviously we're not going to do now so we're going

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 to withdraw that the actual 2019 development code amendments which includes

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 identifying the materials provisions and amending those to comply with the house

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 bills as well as any cleanups and corrections that we had identified

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 through the review process between April and today we are going to continue to

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 collect those continue to prepare those and bring those forward again at a later

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 time so those those items will be withdrawn and we will not be hearing

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 those on August 14th what we will be hearing is two items and they are items

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 related to the code amendments in that these items are ordinances we're calling

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 them the stopgap ordinances which basically allows staff to comply with

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 the house bills while still working on the code amendments after September 1st

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 so legal has been preparing those in the last week and we hope to get those

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 prepared ready to send out next or this Friday so that we can consider those for

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 recommending to the council on Wednesday August 14th so those again

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 refer to the two house bills and again the purpose is to allow staff the

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 appropriate time to draft and prepare the code amendments that address those

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 two house bills but also those code amendments that we've been working on

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 since April to again to help clarify to add corrections to the 2019 code what

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 that looks like is a quick one for the house bill ordinances is what we're

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 referring to them we will again on August 14th bring that to the Planning

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 Zoning Commission for Council I mean for your consideration and then ultimately

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 August 20th for City Council of course August 20th is important because in

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 order for that to take an effect by September 1st we need to have that in

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 advance at least 14 days so any questions I know this was supposed to

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 cover a lot of code amendments but that will not happen today but it will come

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 at a later time any questions thank you chair so the date for our

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 new development code though is still October then at the correct that's going

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 to remain over first Jerry if did you have me on the orange I know you guys

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 been working on it do you want to add anything related to the two ordinances

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 or not really it's a the I think it's fair to say that these two house bills

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 took a lot of us by surprise all of a sudden we have them we've got them with

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 an implementation date of September 1st and with these top cap ordinances all

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 we're doing is having an order says don't do any of the things that the that

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 the house bills say we can't do and that will give us time to make the the code

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 a little bit more user-friendly where say for example it may call out building

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 materials will ultimately remove building materials where we can to comply with

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 the law but it's it doesn't need to happen any time real soon

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 Christian back thank you let me go ahead and bring out something I communicate

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 with Richard on this and we'd just like to get it out there in the open be a

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 little bit more settled on this we've gonna bring this up when we got to that

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 alternate Esau but evidently I was under I wasn't under the impression that since

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 these laws are going into effect September 1st I was only the impression

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 that anything that was already that had already been submitted was kind of

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 locked in to the way we've been doing business but Richard explained to me

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 that no that's not the case when we deal with the Fire Creek issue later you

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 know we're not even consider building materials and that's that's part of the

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 law the law that's correct if it's a building material that's allowed by any

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 internet or what do they call it a nationally recognized code which the

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 titles are international building code I think I think it's probably

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 international because US and Canada but there they are nationally recognized

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 codes and it's not only the current code that you have to consider if it's

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 legal but for three code cycles and typically I believe a code cycles about

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 two years three years okay three years so yeah you can go back to any material

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 that was allowed at some prior time we can't prohibit it so we have to go

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 through our building codes we're gonna have to go through our development code

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 and and make some changes there okay I think what when we dealt with this last

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 time the last P&Z that it were going to hopefully rely upon staff to see if

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 there was anything in the ordinances that could help us work around that I'm

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 assuming that dealing with this alternate ESOL that we're not going to

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 be able to have anything that's on the books that allows us to work around as

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 far as concerning building materials it's like Scott might want to weigh in on

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 this okay so I'm hearing you say alt ESA well it's the fire Creek okay so and and

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 so what first I think going overly okay so there are there are certain

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 components within that that may still be at play so ie fences right anything that

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 is not part of that primary structure and accessory structure wouldn't be

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 regulated by about co limiters where we were requiring 70% brick or stone

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 correct elevations correct and now that's not even that is a moot that is a

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 moot point okay okay yes well you're up there I have two questions that maybe

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 you can provide insight on one's more speculative one's more internal policy

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 driven one has there been any potential momentum towards anyone taking

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 advantage of either of these rules that you've seen or is that so we just have

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 to wait so it's effective and see who who comes in it's like for like a better

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 term like a shady operator I mean do we is there a legitimate fear of this being

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 taken advantage of and is there any early momentum in that direction that

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 you've seen no and no okay so I think I think what you'll see I don't think the

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 residential market will really change and I think so for that concern of what

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 that might look like the markets going to drive that so people people have an

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 expectation of having brick on their homes and the quality that they're gonna

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 that they expect so I don't think one and two family dwellings will be

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 affected greatly I think you'll see more of it probably on the commercial sector

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 and I would think probably on our highways our corridors those buildings

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 that could be built out of a reflective metal you may see more of that rather

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 than having a requirement for where we want some stone or non reflective and

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 some some difference in that so the second question I had is I know well it

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 seems to to still be up in the air but what P&Z can arbitrarily decide I don't

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 know if there's been any momentum in determining how us as fellow citizens

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 can implement decisions based on our discretion when it comes to build

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 material but what is the obligation of the city when you're going through the

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 meeting process what's the obligation or the internal policy to bring up this

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 freedom that they have are you as a city staff able to remain silent and only

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 answer questions when it's brought forth or is there an obligation that when

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 then someone comes through with a plan you have said you can build out of

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 anything that meets an international standard what what's the internal policy

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 and discussing these two bills I don't know that there's an internal policy per

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 say I would say that your your professional planning staff has a great

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 desire for quality community so I don't think that they're going to be carrying

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 a banner saying build as inexpensively as you can so I don't think you'll see

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 that I think that as my personal opinion is we have to be as transparent as

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 possible on both sides of this so whether that's that's pro or con to

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 whomever's position it is when asked will provide the information I think

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 that's going to be one of the very challenges for us because effective

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 October 1st we have an updated development code that has standards that

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 we will not be enforcing so we'll have some confusion right in that and and so

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 we'll have to articulate that we're we're gonna take submittals as they come

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 in and and we'll make certain that they meet our minimum standards so if

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 somebody comes in with 25 percent brick and a residential structure and our

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 requirement is 40% brick we'll accept the 25 percent brick and that'll be the

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 end of the conversation okay now if somebody comes in and you know ask the

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 question about what those requirements are we'll go there and we'll be

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 providing the the draft ordinances on our website and I mean we'll make that

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 abundantly clear that you know there's been changes in law that we really have

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 to disclaim that there are certain provisions of our code that are not

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 enforceable gotcha if that makes sense that's very helpful thank you

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 Christian Ellis thank you chair I'm going back to earlier conversation so

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 any overlays in place are out if it calls out regulating building material is

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 that what I heard that would be that would be accurate okay so the only but

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 let me let me let me know let me retract that so if we use razor ranch as an

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 example right there's an approval process for anybody that's going to do

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 any development within there they enforce those rules so if they're

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 enforcing the rules it's a non-issue it is the municipality the city may not

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 enforce a rule law ordinance it's really right so it's really a privately so

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 basically with an HOA okay so it's just a zoning overlay and we have many

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 correct and a lot of them regulate building materials that correct do we

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 have to repeal those or they're just not enforceable I think our ordinance I

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 think our ordinance will address the fact that we won't be enforcing anything

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 that is going to violate that house bill okay thank you

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 Christian back thank you chair regarding a choice I discussed this with Jerry a

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 couple weeks ago HOA is again have some control the problem with HOA is is they

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 don't come into existence where the homeowners actually are in charge pretty

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 much until that developments through so is there anything is there anything the

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 city can do to initiate and I don't see how but I'm gonna ask it anyway where

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 HOA can get involved a lot earlier before the developments completely

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 through is that is that thought process cross jaws line because otherwise HOA is

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 being able to affect what materials are used are just not going to be existed

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 because the development will be through time we are absolutely going to

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 encourage that that folks take that into consideration and then that's going to

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 be the best planning tool going forward to maintain the integrity of what that

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 community character might look like when I say community whether it's a

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 neighborhood or whatever that the scale of the development is that's going to

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 be their primary planning tool so we're going to encourage that as a best

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 practice to your point is that the HOA is created the HOA board of directors is

439
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,320
 typically the builder developer the property owner whomever it is and they'll

440
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,080
 do as they see fit again I think for the most part and maybe to the chairs

441
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,140
 question I don't know that we're gonna have anybody that's going to come in

442
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:57,320
 deliberately and be deceitful or devious I think that most of the people that

443
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,920
 develop when they're within our community choose to develop in our

444
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,400
 community because they see the opportunity and I think that they want

445
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,260
 to come back and have credibility within our community so I I don't know that

446
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:12,880
 we're gonna see anything malicious I think it'll be pretty much

447
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,720
 straightforward somebody come in and say I'm not I'm not required to do that I'm

448
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,080
 not going to do that I don't think they'll go through the efforts of

449
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,320
 creating an HOA I'm creating those HOA rules and then turn around and changing

450
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:31,560
 the bylaws the next day so I think there's some fear to that that may not

451
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,600
 be real I think the real piece to this is and you know I've said it before and

452
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,080
 I'll continue to say it is is that we really need to speak to our state

453
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,520
 legislators to say you know I live in a community which I really choose to what

454
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:52,920
 it is it that I live next to or I don't and and that may be the case but from a

455
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,240
 legislative level level is just needs to be corrected so that we don't have to be

456
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,200
 concerned with whether it's a song and dance and people are able to be

457
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,480
 deceitful or not but I don't think we have that fear it's just the ability for

458
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:12,760
 people to do what it is that maybe the community to direction isn't any other

459
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:20,040
 questions great thank you for the opportunity thank you Scott the next

460
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,160
 item of business is to hop into our agenda and I just wanted to let the

461
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,160
 record and minutes show that Commissioner Pernetta has joined us so we

462
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:35,120
 can move on to the consent agenda item 3b has been pulled this evening so that

463
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:41,680
 won't be considered and the vote will not include item 3b so if there's a

464
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,520
 motion for approval if we could just call out it'll be AC D&E that'd be

465
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,340
 helpful for the record in the vote is there any questions on any of these that

466
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:54,640
 we need to pull up

467
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:06,720
 fantastic that'll move us to individual consideration first item is for a and I

468
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,000
 just want to have Richard speak to the context and what will happen in the

469
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:22,480
 public session regarding this which is a first for this commission yeah we really

470
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,720
 don't have any presentation prepared for this item this is this is something that

471
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:34,040
 that Commissioner Ellis had requested if you recall we had discussed this I want

472
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,680
 to say I don't remember his last meeting or the meeting before regarding excused

473
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:46,560
 absences the under the city code section 2 - 8 3 there is the ability for the

474
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,800
 Commission to excuse any matter that they they didn't fit if you will and so

475
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,040
 really that's that's all this is is whether or not that that her absence on

476
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:03,160
 June 5th qualified as a excused absence and then in public session is just a

477
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,520
 matter of someone motioning for a vote to reconsider the classification of the

478
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:15,600
 absence okay Koshelis thank you and to do I leave while you discuss this I mean

479
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,720
 what is the protocol for this I would recommend probably that you should

480
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,360
 because it's a matter that that that concerns and interest that you have

481
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,320
 apart from the city as a whole and so I think that your discretion leaving would

482
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,520
 be consistent with our rules and try to see if somebody could prepare a recusal

483
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:42,840
 form for you okay to that end what is the obligation of Christian Ellis to

484
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,480
 disclose the reason for absence I don't feel compelled to have her personal or

485
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,680
 her matter necessarily be publicly aired but we also are as Commission trying to

486
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,400
 determine if it is excused or not if she recuses she wouldn't be there to

487
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,480
 disclose is that someone the staff can present she could certainly come to the

488
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,400
 Dyson you know we've had situations before where we've had a member of P&Z

489
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:14,040
 who had a project that came before the Commission they could come to the to the

490
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:21,200
 lectern and present the evidence in support of other requests and then leave

491
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:29,320
 during the deliberation Koshelis thank you on the agenda information sheet it

492
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,880
 does explain exactly the situation so I don't know that I have more to add to

493
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,920
 that I guess I'll leave that up to you if you would like you know talk more about

494
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:47,000
 it but Richard are you presenting this is what I assume to to the rest of the

495
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,160
 Commission very I mean I wasn't planning on getting into too much too much detail

496
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,640
 other than what's in in in the AIS and really whether we we discussed it in full

497
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,760
 detail or just say for a family commitment perfect so if it's okay with

498
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,440
 the Commission if there's no objection I think in public hearing we'll just have

499
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,880
 Koshelis recuse yourself and be available if a commissioner would like

500
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,680
 to ask you questions at the lectern if it's agreeable we'll vote and then

501
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,720
 welcome you back is there any objections to that

502
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,920
 Christian back just so I'm clear though she was absent one time and it was

503
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:30,760
 considered unexcused so we're trying to okay yes sir

504
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,520
 Koshelis thank you sir and I'm happy to answer any questions right now if anyone

505
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,080
 would like to know anything

506
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:48,240
 see see or foresee questions but I appreciate you availing yourself to

507
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:54,640
 that next item of business is item 4b presented by Haley

508
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:01,280
 it's item sp 19 - 13 a

509
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:26,680
 good evening this is a site plan within razor ranch specifically for a senior

510
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,760
 living facility so the request before you is to consider approval of the site

511
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,640
 plan for an age-restricted multifamily use on just over seven acres of land

512
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:41,280
 this property will be bordered by future extension of Linden Street west of where

513
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,280
 it currently is as well as a future a road within razor that's called East

514
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,320
 Park Boulevard that will run north and south and then on the south side it's

515
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:54,760
 word by panhandle Street as most of you should be aware I think any development

516
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,200
 within razor ranch is typically required a site plan everything within the south

517
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,200
 campus requires the site plan come before PNZ on the north side there are

518
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,040
 some parcels left to develop may not have to come to PNZ for approval it did

519
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,200
 allow for some staff approval of site plans on the north side the site plans

520
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,240
 that come before you all are to include on three essential elements the site

521
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:17,320
 plan the landscape plan and the building elevations and just before the meeting I

522
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,920
 did pass out a full-size copy of their landscape plan the one that got

523
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,840
 uploaded was only for part of the property so my apologies on that the

524
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,720
 razor range overlay district does outline four criteria for approval of a

525
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,440
 site plan the first is that it substantially comply with the concept

526
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,120
 and schematic plan that was approved by City Council and we'll look at that

527
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,440
 momentarily the second is that the site plan provide for a compatible arrangement

528
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320
 of buildings and land uses that wouldn't adversely affect adjoining

529
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,120
 neighborhoods or properties third is that the site plan provide for adequate

530
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,840
 and safe vehicular circulation and then finally that the plan comply with all

531
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,920
 other sections of the overlay district so this is the the concept or schematic

532
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,320
 zoning plan included in the razor ranch overlay this property is in what's

533
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,320
 called the south mixed-use district so it's essentially everything south of

534
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,620
 380 that's not yellow or red on the map is the south mixed-use district the

535
00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:16,440
 areas here in purple and blue permit multifamily so the overlay district

536
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,720
 defines senior living and age-restricted multifamily as being part of that

537
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,720
 broader category of multifamily and if you all remember earlier this year I

538
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,680
 believe in May the development standards for multifamily uses within this

539
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,440
 district came before you all and those were approved by council in May of 2019

540
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:42,800
 so looking at their site plan so the the building it's or the site plan itself it

541
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,440
 looks like the building is divided here but this is all one large C shape

542
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,760
 building I apologize things have shifted on the map we'll fix that before the

543
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,480
 regular meeting but the building itself is just under five hundred and twenty

544
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,880
 thousand square feet it does have a drive under lane here on the first story

545
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,160
 that allows for ingress and egress here near the office portion of the building

546
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,240
 it would have two hundred and twelve dwelling units and the there are

547
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,000
 multiple amenities on site so there's a pool area that would be here at the

548
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,720
 corner there are three dog parks a larger one in the center and then two

549
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,520
 at either end of the building and then also in the central portion of the site

550
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,440
 they have amenities such as a bachi ball pickleball there's raised garden beds as

551
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,720
 well as a pavilion area for the residents as you can see in the table it

552
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,840
 does meet all of the standards in terms of lot coverage open space building

553
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,600
 height and parking it does exceed the maximum parking fairly substantially but

554
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:41,160
 that is allowed within the razor overlay district then looking at their landscape

555
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,680
 plan they again meet the minimum requirements so they exceed the minimum

556
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:50,080
 10% landscaping and 20% tree canopy they are planting in excess of the minimum

557
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,880
 number of street trees on all of their street frontages there are providing a

558
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,480
 buffer here on the east side of the property because on the concept plan the

559
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,600
 land adjacent to them to the east is called for single-family development and

560
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,400
 then in the yellow or orange color here is the perimeter fencing that would

561
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,280
 surround this so it does have a wrought iron fence there is a retaining wall that

562
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,360
 will that the fence will be on top of here at the hard corner because the site

563
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,280
 does have some some grade differences here but the pool area would be screened

564
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,800
 with enhanced landscaping here at this corner so the the rock residents will be

565
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,400
 able to see in and out but it will still have some element of privacy there as

566
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:33,480
 well and one minor correction in your AIS it mentioned a six-foot sidewalk on

567
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,440
 Linden that's actually a five-foot sidewalk this was postponed from the

568
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120
 previous meeting because there were some negotiations that had to be made with

569
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,160
 Denton municipal electric about their electric line coinciding in this small

570
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,400
 area with the sidewalk and the landscaping as well as that retaining

571
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,000
 wall and fence so that was all worked out and resulted in a semi meandering

572
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,560
 five-foot sidewalk along along Linden Street so looking out the building

573
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,400
 elevations this does meet the standards for razor-wrench in terms of

574
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,000
 architecture and building materials so this on the top is what you would see

575
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000
 from Linden and there's that drive-through that I mentioned here

576
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,620
 where the ingress and egress primary point would be this is the side along

577
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:19,800
 East Park Boulevard - Charles thank you Jim Haley with regard to that in and out

578
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,420
 on Linden that is the only main entrance right it's the primary there

579
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:28,920
 would be a gated controlled kind of primarily residents only entrance here

580
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,240
 on yeah any any other traffic deliveries of visitors and things like that would

581
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:41,680
 come through this entry thanks so again just looking from the south here along

582
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,760
 Panhandle Street this would be the view and then this is kind of what it would

583
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,360
 look like from the inside so those amenities would be here within the

584
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:54,480
 central area of the parking there's a an awning here for a drop-offs and then the

585
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,320
 materials again as I mentioned brick stone fiber cement siding are all within

586
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,280
 the permitted materials for the razor-wrench overlay so staff is

587
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,160
 recommending approval of the site plan request we found it to be compliant

588
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,640
 with all of the elements of the razor-wrench overlay district and to

589
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,640
 meet the four criteria for approval so mr. Beck thank you chair just curious

590
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:21,440
 that this one large really they have elevators I believe they do

591
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:28,880
 considering with it being four stories I believe it's required by five

592
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:38,600
 elevators yeah yeah five elevators is been confirmed allow that any other

593
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:52,100
 questions for Haley thank you Haley the next item for business is item 4c it is

594
00:50:52,100 --> 00:51:02,200
 ADP 19 - 0 0 0 2 and I'll invite Julie Wyatt for presentation good evening

595
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:08,520
 evening alright I'm presenting I'm Julie Wyatt I'm presenting ADP 19 to forest

596
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,320
 crossing the request before you is for an alternative development plan for a

597
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,560
 multifamily development on about 15 acres the purpose is to deviate from the

598
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,880
 multifamily standards within sub chapter 13 of the 2002 Denton development code

599
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,040
 the subject property is located north of McKinney and adjacent to Mayhill just

600
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,320
 west of it a little bit of background on this site you probably you might

601
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:40,360
 remember the zoning that the property was rezoned to CMG in 2017 and there was

602
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,680
 a specific use permit that recently came before you it came before you in June of

603
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,720
 this year and it was approved by City Council in July that approval included a

604
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,160
 site plan landscape plan and elevations as part of that part of that

605
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,640
 presentation and backup material we talked about that ADP would be coming

606
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,920
 forward after that SUP was approved so so that's why we're here today so this

607
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:17,660
 this chart outlines what those thank you chair Julie that said 2016 is that I was

608
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:23,240
 yes it's 2019 I'm sorry I was time travel back in time when I did this

609
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:31,000
 presentation yes 2019 thank you so this is an outline of those deviations that

610
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000
 they're requesting from sub chapter 13 so they're requesting three the first

611
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,280
 that at least 50% of the front yard frontage shall have buildings within 20

612
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,080
 feet of the front property line due to the to due to the the unique property

613
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:52,040
 boundary where this this site is located on a larger tract it's surrounded by

614
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:57,160
 undeveloped commercial property which is two narrow strips that that connect it

615
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,280
 to the right of way so really this requirement would be almost impossible to

616
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,760
 meet given the property boundaries and then the next one is that parking areas

617
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,320
 are not permitted between buildings in the street they have to be located in

618
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,320
 the rear of the side once again due to the site's configuration and those

619
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:19,280
 undeveloped commercial tracks between the subject property and and the right

620
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,840
 of way this part the parking areas will be screened you know once those areas

621
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:29,400
 are developed and then there's additional six faces on the south access

622
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,680
 point that are for guest parking and those will be screened with landscaping

623
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,320
 so so they'll meet the intent of that requirement with the screening and then

624
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,840
 finally that adjacent building should have different elevations the applicant

625
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:46,200
 is proposing consistent architectural details among the among the buildings but

626
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,480
 with a variety of color schemes in order to differentiate them so I know you've

627
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,200
 seen the site being planned before we'll go over it briefly the part in the blue

628
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,560
 is that is that donut area those commercial out parcels that will

629
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,160
 eventually be developed that are adjacent to the to the right of way the

630
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,560
 the purple areas those are the 12 multifamily buildings the orange area is

631
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,840
 the are the parking areas that are between the buildings and and the right

632
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,000
 of way so they do this proposal does meet all zoning requirements landscaping

633
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,040
 tree preservation so it does meet those requirements they're just asking for

634
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:31,360
 those three deviations and then also as part of the SUP deliberation at City

635
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,120
 Council they did request that the applicant try to preserve more existing

636
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:41,240
 trees the the didn't development code sub chapter 13 does allow applicants who

637
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:46,760
 can preserve more trees to to reduce their parking requirements so staff is

638
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,880
 actually recommending a condition as part of this ADP to allow them to try to

639
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:57,360
 explore those possibilities to preserve more trees on site and then this is a

640
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,480
 portion of the landscape plan that really has to deal with where you see

641
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,200
 generally that parking and then though that access you see there's going to be

642
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,400
 trees they'll be screening from the you know that parking from the right of way

643
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,280
 and then eventually from that that come or those commercial pieces Mr. Beck

644
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,840
 thank you chair screening though in landscape only we're not putting fences

645
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,240
 there there will be a a wooden fence so there will be additional screening from

646
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,360
 the fence but yes there will also be from the McKinney side in the Mayhill

647
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,560
 side I'm on that between the the residential portion in the commercial

648
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,080
 portion they are intending some fencing there I'm not sure how much that's

649
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,880
 needed anyway especially that commercial development gets up there it's gonna

650
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,600
 block the whole thing anyway but right okay thanks and then here are the

651
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,920
 elevations that you've seen once again the architectural details are consistent

652
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,240
 throughout the buildings but what they do have are the those pops of color

653
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:57,920
 you've got the burgundy the yellow and then the orange Julie on the ADP do they

654
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,440
 if they're presenting those different colors they're required to actually have

655
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:13,360
 a different colors like we can hold them to the different color scheme because

656
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,280
 one of the it seems like the consideration is instead of varying

657
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:24,160
 height they're gonna vary color is that something that's even like so within our

658
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:32,160
 purview and not even enlightened of HP 2439 just in general well it could be

659
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,320
 you know previous without the House bill yes that could be something that you

660
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:53,640
 could regulate as part of an ADP or an SUP but I'm thinking it's not a material

661
00:56:53,640 --> 00:57:00,680
 that we're talking about and this is you know aesthetic elements of of their

662
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:06,380
 design their site plan that they're laying out here and so it's they're

663
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:10,520
 doing it with eyes open okay okay thanks for the clarification

664
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,720
 it's a question else thank you chair a real quick on that is it part of the SUP

665
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:21,880
 that was approved anyway didn't we approve the yes yes those elevations

666
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,520
 were approved as part of the yeah so I think it would have to be it's already

667
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:33,920
 part of that so the criteria for approval are in sub chapter 13 there

668
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,840
 were five criteria first is it preserve existing neighborhoods does the request

669
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,480
 this is a multifamily development in an emergent and an emerging mixed use area

670
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,280
 multifamily as a use is essential in these types of areas because you want

671
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,720
 that critical mass of people to support the commercial and employment uses with

672
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,320
 the request assure quality development it's not to this request is not to lower

673
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,440
 design standards but it would facilitate development of the site

674
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,780
 particularly in light of the the the the property boundaries and how how that

675
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:10,920
 building that site is oriented and additionally there was a there was more

676
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,440
 scrutiny on this project because it wasn't it was an SUP so it had to go

677
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,600
 through that SUP process and it has been before you before as well as City

678
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,360
 Council and focus new development to activity centers there you know we've

679
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,840
 got two roads in that area McKinney and Mayhill are either under construction or

680
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,040
 about to be under construction so there's been a lot of investment in these

681
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,760
 corridors and so this really is that natural conclusion that logical

682
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,560
 conclusion to that investment that the development would come here ensure

683
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,920
 infrastructure can accommodate the development that necessary

684
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,600
 infrastructure is is under construction and is moving forward and the results in

685
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,160
 a high quality development meeting the intent of the standards once again that

686
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,160
 doughnut configuration restricts the ability to meet requirements but it does

687
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,040
 result in an appropriate design for a mixed-use area because it does separate

688
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:03,000
 that residential piece from what are going to be higher traffic roads so it

689
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,040
 provides that buffer in that transition area parking areas as as proposed or

690
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,480
 dispersed throughout the development so you don't have large parking areas and

691
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,360
 those visual impacts for large surface parking they're sort of interspersed and

692
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,600
 it allows that those drive aisles and and the buildings to create a grid really

693
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,320
 adding more connectivity to the site and then the consistent architectural design

694
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,080
 throughout the subject site one sure a cohesive appearance for this single use

695
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,360
 so as this area develops with all the commercial pieces and employment pieces

696
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,040
 there will potentially be additional architectural styles and building

697
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,960
 materials and so this will just allow this one use to to be more cohesive as

698
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,440
 as it moves forward with development so based upon the criteria for approval

699
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:54,200
 staff recommends approval of the request because it does meet the criteria with

700
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,120
 that caveat and that that recommendation for to encourage additional tree

701
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,160
 preservation in accordance with sub chapter 13 requirements and I will stand

702
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:10,800
 for any questions mr. Beck will the owner applicant be here

703
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,440
 tonight she is supposed to be here she okay thank you

704
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:23,080
 Kirsten Sanchez okay as far as the so how many parking areas are we looking to

705
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:29,400
 reduce and I guess my concern is your each apartment has a requirement of so

706
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,520
 many parking spots I would I would imagine so what you will be will be

707
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:40,400
 doing is reducing the number or because you do have a requirement right the code

708
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:47,800
 does allow for a I believe up to 15 percent reduction if they can preserve a

709
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,680
 certain amount of quality trees so it would have to be 12 inches of quality

710
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,240
 trees and that could reduce each 12 inches reduces one parking space so it's

711
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:02,120
 it's a pretty high bar that they have to meet it really does sort of you know try

712
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:08,480
 to get more trees to be preserved in order to allow for that that parking

713
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:16,960
 reduction I guess my concern is yeah I mean I can see that but then in in in a

714
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,240
 apartment situation where you have people coming in parking places are very

715
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:27,400
 important you know I mean I see that I have some sure and I see that parking

716
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:35,640
 spots are always full are we sacrificing I mean I have a real issue with where

717
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,200
 they're gonna park if you're reducing those parking places where are those

718
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:44,640
 people gonna park well and and remember we upped our parking standards for

719
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,640
 multifamily last year so in addition to parking for each unit they also have to

720
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,320
 provide 10 percent of the required parking for guest parking so so there is

721
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,360
 some flexibility there is additional parking that the city of Denton does

722
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:05,080
 require for multifamily and then and and it really depends on what kind of trees

723
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,920
 that they could that they could preserve to get there

724
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:21,240
 any other questions

725
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:30,160
 thank you very much I was just gonna add a little clarification to that if you

726
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,120
 look at just sort of playing with the maximum so if the maximum decrease is

727
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:40,360
 15% I think that 515 spaces is just kind of using the total number of units I

728
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:47,920
 think it would it would equate to about 1.5 1.5 spaces per bedroom or per unit I

729
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,200
 think I want to check the math but okay I can do it I can also see how many

730
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,680
 inches of trees they would have to preserve in order to max that out it

731
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,680
 would be a pretty substantial amount of trees great thank you the next time a

732
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,800
 business is 5a there's not a presentation for this but just to prize

733
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:14,640
 you we will open the public hearing for this and then call for a motion to have

734
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,280
 this postponed to a date certain of August 21st but that'll leave the public

735
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:24,760
 hearing open for the two weeks until we meet so the next presenting item is 5b

736
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:39,560
 and it is Julie again for z 19 - 0 0 0 6a so this is z 19 0 0 0 6a fireside park

737
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:45,760
 so the request before you is to amend ordinance 2015 2 1 7 to revise the

738
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,440
 overlay conditions on about 30 30 acres the property is zoned in our three

739
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,880
 and it is located at the corner of West Windsor and Hinkle it's the properties

740
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,240
 they're outlined in yellow so some background there's been quite a few

741
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,360
 zoning cases that affected this property so in 2002 it was zoned in our two

742
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:14,040
 through the citywide rezoning in 2007 a an applicant a developer came in and

743
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:20,040
 requested a rezoning from NR 2 to NR 3 he had a very specific site plan

744
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,560
 associated with that and so as part of that there were there were quite a few

745
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:31,820
 overlay conditions put on the property to design considerations that didn't

746
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:37,880
 develop so a new developer came in in 2015 and he wanted he was hoping to

747
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,560
 develop a age-restricted single-family neighborhood once again with a pretty

748
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:47,880
 specific site plan which included some smaller lots with more open space and

749
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:54,560
 included sort of in a perimeter common area he plotted but but the the plots

750
01:04:54,560 --> 01:05:01,000
 expired and it never it didn't develop and so a new property owner came in and

751
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,960
 and plotted the property a final plot was approved in 2018 and they're

752
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,400
 actually under construction they're they're laying the streets out there and

753
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:15,080
 and putting in all of the public facilities but some of those overlay

754
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:20,360
 conditions are really because of those specific designs that were that were

755
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,700
 approved or that were associated with those previous approvals he's he's

756
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:30,640
 feeling they don't meet the the current design so one of those is a perimeter

757
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:36,240
 fence with a wrought iron appearance a 50-foot setback from the existing curb

758
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:43,360
 and then 100% masonry there are additional a 100% masonry on on the

759
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,520
 homes there are two other additional conditions that three-car garages shall

760
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,000
 not face the public street and that any ingress or egress would not remove the

761
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,600
 on-street bike lane on Hankel Drive he is not requesting any changes to those

762
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:03,880
 conditions the only changes he is requesting are to the areas in that are

763
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:10,720
 in bold Krister back chair let me ask something at this point the previous

764
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,560
 developer that sold it to the current developer where he was gonna have the

765
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:21,800
 wrought iron fence where it was he gonna have houses the backside of the houses

766
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:27,640
 facing Windsor or no sir there was going to be a a sort of walking trail around

767
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:33,320
 there okay that would conceal the houses except that okay I see okay so now he's

768
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:39,120
 the new developers gonna be building houses that will expose the backside of

769
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,880
 the houses unless we put the privacy fix in there correct correct so yes the

770
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:49,640
 plot in 2018 really was more of a typical single-family neighborhood

771
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,080
 development where you have the the rear yards adjacent to those arterial roads

772
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:59,160
 and so because of that because of his concerns about privacy for future

773
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:05,040
 homeowners um he's requesting some changes to those overlay so the same

774
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,880
 would apply to Hinkle to the back of the houses are gonna be exposed there yes

775
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:15,760
 yes if it if it develops as proposed then then Windsor and Hinkle would

776
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,120
 require that wrought iron fence so but he is requesting to put an opaque fence

777
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:27,160
 in to reduce that that 50 foot setback to 40 feet and then also to provide more

778
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:33,160
 varied building materials his request would not modify the underlying zoning

779
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:39,520
 wouldn't increase the density or introduce new uses so here's his

780
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:44,640
 request he's he's proposing a six foot tall board on board cedar fence with a

781
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,800
 top rail and cap a taller stone and brick columns topped with a cast stone

782
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:56,640
 column every 100 feet and at any corners and any terminus also a vertical

783
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,760
 landscape element would be placed at the midpoint between those columns as well

784
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,520
 as street trees would be planted if approved along Hinkle Drive and Windsor

785
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:11,200
 Drive and the design of those street trees would be one planted every 20 feet

786
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,360
 but they would be alternating shade and ornamental he is also requesting to

787
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:23,800
 reduce the building materials from the 100% masonry to 70% masonry and I've

788
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,560
 added what his request is in but I've also marked it out because due to the

789
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,440
 due to the new house bill because it's not something that we can enforce we're

790
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:37,920
 recommending that it just be removed from from the overlay conditions we've

791
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,880
 added here though that the proposed setback would be 40 feet from the

792
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,080
 existing curb on Windsor and Hinkle and then once again those two other

793
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:53,520
 conditions would remain in place so here is a thank you chair Julie can you go

794
01:08:53,520 --> 01:09:00,480
 back to that for a minute so with the first the first detail there can we put

795
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:03,560
 something you have maintenance and irrigation of all open spaces and site

796
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:09,680
 amenities can you make sure that includes fence I know we we had some of

797
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:16,720
 the responses includes they don't want the fence not looking so good after a

798
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,280
 while so maybe if we can take an effort and make sure that's included in that

799
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:28,980
 thank you correct right right and I think that was the intent of probably

800
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:32,840
 the developer later HOA taking responsibility for this you probably

801
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,160
 mean for them to take care of that particular fence but maybe we need to

802
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:47,620
 call yep I agree I'll add that and so here here's a diagram of what they're

803
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:51,640
 proposing you see the fence here you've got your vertical landscape element in

804
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:58,120
 between the posts and then and then the the ornamental trees and and shade trees

805
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:05,080
 alternating and then here's a little diagram of what the the setbacks look

806
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,840
 like and what they're proposing and then versus what the Denton development code

807
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:16,920
 requires so this is Hinkle and then here is the fireside park development the

808
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:25,280
 the box in in yellow that is the 50 foot setback from the curb in red it is 40

809
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,720
 feet and then this is this little greenish is is what the Denton

810
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,800
 development code requires so the Denton development code requires a 10-foot rear

811
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,920
 setback so that's just to let you see how kind of what those look like in real

812
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,320
 life that's on Hinkle on Windsor it's a little different because the curb is so

813
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,640
 far away from the residential property lines that it doesn't have as much of an

814
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:53,400
 effect so the criteria for approval in any rezoning case is in sub chapter 3

815
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,280
 of the Denton development code does it comply with the future land use and then

816
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:03,000
 does it does it provide for adequate public facilities so first dent plan 2030

817
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:08,100
 the future land use it is low residential and this includes single

818
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:13,000
 family neighborhoods up to four dwelling units per acre the the existing zoning

819
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,760
 of nr3 which isn't proposed to be changed is consistent with the future

820
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,960
 land use map because it it permits three and a half dwelling units per acre we

821
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,720
 also looked at element four of the Denton plan just because that addresses

822
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,760
 more of that site design and and and urban design community community

823
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,800
 character our findings when we looked at that is that the opaque cedar fence

824
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,400
 would provide backyard privacy and screening for future homeowners adjacent

825
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,400
 to the street the brick columns landscaping and street trees would

826
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,360
 provide visual consistency and rhythm along the rights of way it would create

827
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,520
 a sense of arrival for those future homeowners as well as enhance those

828
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,560
 existing corridors of Hinkle and Windsor fence that fence line as well as the

829
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,760
 street trees would provide that that well-defined neighborhood edge and also

830
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,680
 add that that landscaping at the right of way which is something that the that

831
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,680
 this part of our community vision and and and how we're moving forward with

832
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:13,320
 development what they're proposing exceeds the 2002 and 2019 didn't of

833
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,760
 development code requirements and once again that seventy percent masonry

834
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,760
 exceeds the requirements but it's it's it's not something that we can enforce

835
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:29,080
 criterion to adequate public improvements transportation because

836
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:34,160
 this request didn't increase any density or intensity on the site a TIA was not

837
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:39,000
 required and as a result of the development of five-foot sidewalk must

838
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,160
 be constructed on Hinkle and an eight-foot on Windsor and that's the

839
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:48,360
 developer has to has to construct that capital improvement projects if you've

840
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,640
 been near Hinkle recently it's a little hard to get down these days and that's

841
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:57,000
 because they're doing the Magnolia Drive drainage project they're installing new

842
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,520
 box culverts that's going to carry that storm water south to pecan Creek once

843
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:07,640
 those are installed the asphalt will be re rebuilt it just between those

844
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,080
 existing curb lines on Hinkle it's not going to expand Hinkle and those bike

845
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,920
 lanes will also be restored due to resident safety concerns that we heard

846
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,360
 at the neighborhood meeting earlier this year two stop signs were installed on

847
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:26,560
 West Windsor it creates that three-way stop and it gives it gives drivers coming

848
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,840
 turning on to Windsor a little more surety that that those driving on on

849
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:37,200
 Windsor actually see them and then also allows pedestrians a little safer route

850
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,080
 into the park that's a pretty big park right there and there's a lot of

851
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,360
 residential so we want to make sure those pedestrians were safe there will

852
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:49,400
 be roadway impact fees paid when this when the building permits are pulled

853
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,880
 about $2,000 per dwelling unit is a good shorthand and then there's also the park

854
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,080
 dedication fee that happened with the plat last year and then the park

855
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,080
 development fee of 291 for each house that will be paid with each building

856
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:09,680
 permit there's water and wastewater not only taken to the site but also being

857
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,640
 constructed throughout the site I'm in accordance with this schematic right

858
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:20,440
 here and then schools there per the 107 houses on the side it's expected to

859
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:24,440
 generate 24 elementary students 12 middle school students and 16 high

860
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:28,480
 school students and then there's a fire station within that eight eight minute

861
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:35,080
 or less time boundary that they like to me so public notices were sent out we've

862
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,960
 received foreign opposition that there's only one however within that 200 foot

863
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,640
 boundary so we get that 1.29 percent five signs were posted on the site and

864
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,280
 they did have a neighborhood meeting so staff does recommend approval of the

865
01:14:49,280 --> 01:15:04,320
 modified overlay conditions with the with the addition of the oh okay so yes

866
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,640
 the HOA will maintain that that fence if approved so and that includes that

867
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,360
 board-on-board cedar with the masonry columns and and that landscaping at the

868
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:21,000
 right-of-way the reduced setback of 40 feet and then those those garages and and

869
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,640
 then that that bike lane to remain on Hinkle and I will stand for any question

870
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,640
 mr. Beck thank you chair Julie do you know what the frontage is for this

871
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,000
 development on Hinkle land Windsor it looks like Windsor's got a little bit

872
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:42,840
 less than ankle but do we know the actual in terms of footage maybe this in

873
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,420
 between the right-of-way and or just the frontage for the development on Hinkle

874
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:58,200
 what is the my concern and I think it's probably gonna be brought up by the

875
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,920
 public a little bit is Windsor is a secondary arterial right yes Hinkle say

876
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:09,240
 connector don't have a problem with and a board on board with cedar fence with a

877
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:17,440
 cap on it's a nice sense but Windsor being a secondary arterial I think we

878
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:21,240
 had a conversation in one of our DC RC meetings and Richard might want to jump

879
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:28,440
 in here about how major arterial secondary arterials how those and we

880
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:33,480
 were talking about Teasley specifically how those fences look over time yes if

881
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:37,400
 we can get the HOA to stay on top of this and keep it looking nice but

882
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,520
 wouldn't fences will look raggedy and on a major arterial that's always a little

883
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:49,120
 bit it's an embarrassment for the city so what is the possibility of discussing

884
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:55,080
 with the applicant at least on the Windsor side doing something a little bit

885
01:16:55,080 --> 01:17:02,960
 more expensive but be looking at a stonewall a masonry wall is that that

886
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,040
 was not something that they were prepared to do during our discussions but

887
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,040
 it is certainly something that you could bring up as part of the as part of the

888
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:15,440
 public hearing okay would it be if I wanted to could I make an amendment to

889
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:22,760
 this approving it with the exception that masonry fence would be preferred on

890
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:28,720
 the Windsor elevation I believe you can do that in public hearing you can

891
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:43,040
 certainly put that in your motion okay okay I guess my concern is putting all

892
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,720
 these requirements on builders I mean the city has a responsibility when they

893
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:55,840
 see bad fences to to have them fix them so that's court enforcement is that what

894
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:00,720
 we're talking about if the fence looks kind of bad okay let's go ahead and

895
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,960
 have it who's responsible for that the city could cite them cities not

896
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:10,800
 responsible for repairing them no no the city's responsible for going over and

897
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,040
 talking to the HOA and saying code enforcement saying hey these fences

898
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:22,120
 don't look you know are falling apart or need to be repaired so for us to start

899
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,560
 making your promise make it a break a brick wall it seems to me where we're

900
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:32,720
 putting a lot of requirements just our personal opinion when the builder has

901
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,600
 already agreed to something or he's willing to do some now we're saying okay

902
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:46,200
 we want you to do this just because am I off somewhere that's certainly your

903
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:52,480
 opinion I mean so you're not off and your beliefs about that but my question

904
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:57,160
 is the city already yeah I mean that's what they do they go out and if your

905
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:02,160
 fences aren't looking good and the HOA it's also has a responsibility to do

906
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,840
 that for us he's all of a sudden okay because in five or ten years his fence

907
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:13,200
 because it's what it's gonna get carried faster than a brick it seems like we're

908
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,360
 putting requirements on people just because code enforcement doesn't

909
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:25,720
 typically enforce aesthetics if it's falling down or it's dilapidated or

910
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:31,360
 something of that nature they can certainly enforce by citation against

911
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:37,200
 whoever's responsible for maintaining the fence but in terms of you know going

912
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:44,400
 over and having a conversation with members of the HOA or the adjacent

913
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:51,120
 property owner that's not something that's charged to the city as a duty

914
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:56,320
 and push back real fast I just want to note for the commission part of this

915
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:00,800
 work sessions to gather information if there's discussion to be had about the

916
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,860
 merits of a wood over a brick I think that would be best had in a public

917
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:08,520
 session and work out once there's a motion on the table I think it's just a

918
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:14,520
 matter of convincing or putting forth your position yeah yeah I just want to

919
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:20,600
 utilize this time appropriately kushel us thank you and if I could just add a

920
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,840
 little bit to that I know what we're considering there's an overlay right now

921
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:29,480
 that requires a wrought iron fence to be on this property so that is what he is

922
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:33,280
 requesting be removed and by removing the wrought iron requirement which is

923
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:39,400
 already in place he's offering what Julie presented right just to clarify

924
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:43,280
 Richard correct I was just gonna add the the landscaping or that they are

925
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:50,000
 including is beyond the so Julie I have a couple questions for you if you are

926
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,880
 pulling out your measuring tool for Christian back can I ask for two

927
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:00,960
 measurements you bet can I have you look at the setbacks of the homes on Windsor

928
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:06,320
 west of this property there's a half a dozen or so that back up the rear

929
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:13,720
 property backs up to Windsor to the west and then can you look at the setbacks to

930
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:19,880
 the east of Hinkle on Windsor there's some homes there that front face Windsor

931
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,600
 and I don't know how far they're back so does that make sense absolutely I just

932
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,560
 like to know when you're just driving on Windsor what do the houses look like the

933
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,720
 second question I have is could you go back is there a hundred and seven

934
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:39,780
 perspective units being built yes sir this might be a question for DISD or

935
01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:48,760
 maybe my poor speculation a hundred and seven houses and 52 kids it seems low

936
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,920
 it seems like a lot of families would live here so it seems like the number

937
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:57,680
 would be a hundred kids what they have like an algorithm for this they have a

938
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:04,600
 formula yes okay and it's a reliable one I assume yeah it's I don't know how they

939
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,520
 base that on I don't know what research they've based it on but it's a formula

940
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,640
 they've shared with us that they get that that's how they sort of plan for

941
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:17,880
 their schools okay any other questions Krishna Alice thank you chair just real

942
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:23,560
 quick Julie it's just one way in and one way out on right in this development no

943
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:28,760
 ma'am it's okay it's actually there there's one time here okay some

944
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:41,240
 remote will be tied in okay and then fireside gotcha correct yes there's a

945
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,200
 previous applicant those age-restricted this one is not an age-restricted this

946
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:49,080
 one is not okay I misunderstood Mr. Pernetta yeah I just wanted to clarify so

947
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:54,640
 the entrance on from Windsor is that for emergency vehicles or is that is that

948
01:22:54,640 --> 01:23:02,800
 it's full access yes okay and just to again to clarify this has been approved

949
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:08,240
 they're under plats approved they're grading they're under construction good

950
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:15,720
 point any other questions for Julie seen none thank you Julie I will close the

951
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:27,840
 work session at 6 p.m. we will meet again in council chambers at 630 good

952
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,320
 evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to the planning and zoning Commission

953
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:37,000
 meeting for Wednesday August 7th 2019 I'll call the meeting to order at 634

954
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,440
 seeing that we do have a quorum the first item of business is to stand and

955
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:47,400
 provide the alleged allegiance to the US and Texas flag if able.

956
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:15,000
 The next item of business is to consider the planning and zoning Commission

957
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:25,200
 minutes for July 17th 2019. Commissioner Ellis. I move approval. We have a first

958
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,800
 Commissioner Pernetta. Second. We have a first and a second for approval of the

959
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:34,440
 minutes any discussion? Seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board.

960
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:46,680
 Motion carries six zero with one recuse. Next item of business is the consent

961
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:53,800
 agenda consent agenda it's item three and noted that item three B is being

962
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:59,720
 pulled so the consent agenda only includes A C D and E. Commissioner Beck.

963
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:07,920
 Move to approve consent agenda. Yes we do have a first and just for

964
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,880
 clarification it's not being pulled from the consent to individual it's being

965
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,320
 pulled from the agenda completely it's not gonna be heard this evening.

966
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,960
 Commissioner Smith. Second the motion. We have a first and a second for the

967
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:26,440
 consent for a item A C D and E not B. Any discussion? Seeing none I call for a

968
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:28,840
 vote on the board.

969
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:38,280
 Motion carries seven zero that brings us to our items for individual consideration

970
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,720
 the first item for a consider request by Commissioner Ellis to reclassify her

971
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:52,280
 absence on June 5th 2019. Commissioner Smith. Motion to approve. For

972
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,960
 clarification. Motion to approve to reclassify her absence as an excused

973
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:01,800
 absence. Perfect. Commissioner Pernetta. Second. We have a first and a second for

974
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:06,320
 reclassification of the unexcused absence to an excused absence. Any

975
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:12,320
 discussion? Seeing none I call for a vote on the board.

976
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:22,040
 Motion carries six zero with one recuse and Commissioner Ellis is welcome to

977
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:32,720
 come back. The next item for business is item 4B SP 19-003 13A. I'll

978
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,600
 invite Haley Zygursky for presentation.

979
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:44,240
 Good evening this is a request for approval of a site plan within Razor

980
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:49,680
 Ranch. The request before you is to consider approval of a site plan for an

981
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,480
 age-restricted multifamily use on a property that is just over seven acres

982
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:58,080
 in size. The property is located south of the future extension of Linden Street

983
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,520
 east of East Park Boulevard which is a future north-south road through Razor

984
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:07,720
 Ranch and north of Panhandle Drive. It's outlined in yellow on the map. Within

985
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:12,360
 Razor Ranch all developments on the south campus so everything south of 380 does

986
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,960
 require that a site plan come through the Planning and Zoning Commission for

987
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,440
 approval. That site plan is to contain the site plan itself as well as the

988
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:25,000
 landscape plan and the building elevations. There are four criteria for

989
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,440
 approval outlined within the Razor Ranch overlay district. The first being that

990
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:31,760
 the site plan substantially comply with the concept or schematic plan approved

991
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,720
 by the City Council. We'll look at that in just a moment. The second is that the

992
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,560
 site plan provide for compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses

993
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,760
 that wouldn't adversely affect any adjoining properties or neighborhoods.

994
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,600
 Third that the site plan provide for adequate and safe circulation of

995
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,440
 vehicular traffic and then fourth that the site plan fully comply with all

996
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:54,520
 other sections of the overlay district. The base zoning for this property is

997
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,920
 neighborhood residential mixed-use. It is a part of the Razor Ranch overlay as I

998
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,040
 mentioned and specifically it's part of what's called the south mixed-use

999
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:07,080
 district. So this is the concept plan within the Razor overlay district and

1000
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,320
 everything south of 380 that is not either yellow or red on the map so all

1001
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,200
 of the blues greens and purples are what makes up the south mixed-use district.

1002
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:19,960
 Multifamily and even specifically age restricted multifamily is a permitted

1003
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:25,120
 use in this area and if you all remember back in May the development standards

1004
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,960
 for architecture and landscaping came before you all for multifamily uses

1005
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:34,720
 within this district and those became exhibit C2A of the overlay. So looking

1006
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,080
 at the site plan outline in blue is the rough location of the building. It is one

1007
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:45,480
 large kind of L or C shaped building. It's just under 520,000 square feet

1008
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:50,800
 total and would have 212 dwelling units. In the purple or dark blue color on the

1009
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:55,400
 map are the on-site amenities that are offered. So there are three dog parks one

1010
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,680
 here and then one at either end of the building. There is a large pool amenity

1011
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,880
 here in the corner of the site and then also in the center of the site are

1012
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,320
 things such as bocce ball, pickle ball and raised garden beds. The site is in

1013
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,240
 compliance with all of the DDC requirements for lot coverage, open space,

1014
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:17,480
 building height and parking. This is the landscape plan for the site. It does

1015
01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:21,200
 exceed the minimum requirements again exceeds the minimum 10% and 20%

1016
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,960
 landscape and tree canopy. Also exceeds the minimum number of street tree

1017
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:29,160
 plantings. Some of the specific features I wanted to point out or that they are

1018
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,360
 providing a buffer here on the east side as is required between multifamily and

1019
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:38,240
 single-family because the the portion of razor that's east of this is designated

1020
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,760
 on that concept plan for single-family development. And then outlined in orange

1021
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,480
 here is the perimeter screening fence. So the site will be surrounded by a wrought

1022
01:29:47,480 --> 01:29:52,000
 iron fence with masonry columns. Here at the corner of East Park and Linden that

1023
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,440
 fence will be situated on top of a retaining wall because there is a

1024
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,120
 gradual grade off in either direction on the site. The areas that are circled here

1025
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,480
 on the map are the gates so there is controlled access to the site. This will

1026
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:10,040
 be the primary entry point off of Linden Street for residential traffic as well

1027
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,560
 as visitors or delivery trucks things of that nature. This would be a resident

1028
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,440
 only gate. So the primary flow of traffic would be in off of Linden Street through

1029
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:25,160
 the site and then residents could exit either north or south. So looking at the

1030
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,720
 building elevations this would be the view on the top of your screen from

1031
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,920
 Linden Street. What's shown on the bottom is what would be visible from East Park

1032
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,360
 Boulevard. So you can see here that that drive-through feature on the ground

1033
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:41,120
 floor here is the primary entry point. Looking at a different view of the site

1034
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,560
 this would be the view from Panhandle and then on the bottom side is the view

1035
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:49,080
 kind of an internal view from within the parking lot. The building materials that

1036
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,520
 have been proposed are a mixture of brick stone and wood look fiber cement

1037
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,520
 siding board as well as some stucco and metal accent elements. All of those are

1038
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:01,320
 permitted within the razor overlay. So with that staff is recommending approval

1039
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,720
 of the site plan request. It's compliant with all the applicable regulations of

1040
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,760
 the razor range overlay district and meets the four criteria for approval.

1041
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:12,720
 Happy to stand for any questions. Thank you Haley. I don't see any questions this

1042
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:22,880
 time. Thank you. Since this isn't a public hearing there's there's not an open

1043
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,660
 meeting or an open call for anyone who wants to speak but I'll open to anyone

1044
01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:31,520
 who wants to speak on the item. You'd have three minutes to speak if

1045
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:38,040
 wanting and then commissioners yep nevermind. Commissioner Smith. Motion to

1046
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:42,040
 approve the staff recommendations. We have a first. Commissioner Preneta. Second the

1047
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:47,480
 motion. We have a first and a second for approval. Any discussion? Seeing none I

1048
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:59,520
 call for a vote on the board. Motion carries 7-0. Next item for business is

1049
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:07,440
 item 4C ADP 19-0002 and I'll invite Julie Wyatt for discussion.

1050
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:22,280
 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt and I am presenting ADP 19-2 forest crossing to

1051
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:27,600
 you. So the request before you is an alternative development plan for a

1052
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,600
 multifamily development on about 15 acres. The purpose of this alternative

1053
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,280
 development plan is so that they can deviate from three provisions within

1054
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:42,240
 subchapter 13 of the Denton Development Code. The subject property is

1055
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,520
 located north of McKinney and west of Mayhill. Here the property is

1056
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:55,560
 outlined in yellow. Some background on the site it was rezoned in 2017 to CMG

1057
01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:02,440
 and then I do have a wrong incorrect date on this. The SUP was approved last

1058
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:08,840
 last month in 2019 a specific use permit for multifamily development. So this came

1059
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:14,440
 before you a month before in June and that approval included the site plan, a

1060
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:21,360
 landscape plan and elevations. So the provisions within or the the proposal

1061
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:26,560
 within the ADP includes three three provisions. The first being at least 50%

1062
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,360
 of the front yard frontage shall have buildings within 20 feet of the front

1063
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:36,040
 property line or within 30 feet of the curb line of a private street. Due to the

1064
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:41,160
 the unique property boundary of the site it's it's it's kind of within the

1065
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:45,200
 middle of a doughnut where there's where there's undeveloped commercial property

1066
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,280
 between the subject property and the rights of way and then it's accessed by

1067
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,640
 some narrow strips of land where it's just really to accommodate a driveway. So

1068
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,400
 based upon the site configuration it really is impossible for them to meet

1069
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:02,160
 this requirement. The second would be the parking areas are not permitted between

1070
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,440
 the buildings in the street that they would need to be toward the side or the

1071
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:10,000
 rear. Once again due to the site configuration and they're going to be

1072
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,920
 commercial properties or commercial development between the subject property

1073
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:18,600
 and the right of way and so so once this mixed-use area has fully developed

1074
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,360
 those parking areas will be screened from the right of way and in addition

1075
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:28,400
 there's also landscaping in the area. There are also six faces near that south

1076
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:32,240
 entrance that's for guest parking and that is screened with landscaping and

1077
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,920
 then finally that adjacent building shall have different elevations. The

1078
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,120
 applicant is proposing elevations or architectural details that are

1079
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:45,280
 consistent among the among all of the buildings but with a variety of colors

1080
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:50,000
 to differentiate the buildings. So the site plan is something you've seen

1081
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:54,680
 before the the blue area being that that doughnut that that future commercial

1082
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:59,720
 piece of that this mixed-use area. The subject property it doesn't have any any

1083
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,560
 color on it but it does have the buildings outlined in purple. Those

1084
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:09,240
 parking areas between the buildings and the right of way are are outlined in

1085
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:16,000
 that orange color. There are 12 multifamily buildings and and as part of

1086
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,960
 the SUP and as part of the deliberation by council council asked that the

1087
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:26,600
 applicant look for opportunities to to increase the tree canopy on the site and

1088
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:31,080
 to preserve some of those existing trees. So so as part of staff's

1089
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,480
 recommendation we're just adding a condition that they could if they if

1090
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:40,160
 they wanted to be able to comply with the provision in sub chapter 13 of the

1091
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:45,120
 Denton Development Code that you can decrease parking if you increase your

1092
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:53,320
 tree tree preservation. This is a portion of the landscape plan just showing kind

1093
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,440
 of where those parking areas are in relation to the tree plantings that

1094
01:35:56,440 --> 01:36:00,440
 they're proposing. Here's that arm going out toward May Hill and then the arm

1095
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:03,440
 going to McKinney and you can see those parking areas really are going to be

1096
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:08,320
 pretty screened from that from the the landscaping. And then here are the

1097
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:13,960
 elevations once again consistent architectural themes throughout but with

1098
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:20,040
 those pops of color of the burgundy the yellow and then the orange. The criteria

1099
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,780
 for approval for alternative development plans is in sub chapter 13 of the Denton

1100
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:30,680
 Development Code. There's five. First is it preserve existing neighborhoods. This

1101
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:35,160
 is an emerging multi or a mixed-use area and that multifamily is a component of

1102
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:39,000
 that is essential because it does provide that critical mass of people for

1103
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:44,200
 to support commercial and retail and employment uses. So it meets that

1104
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:49,640
 criteria to assure quality development. The intent of this is not to lower

1105
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,360
 design standards but just to facilitate the development of the site particularly

1106
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:57,800
 with that unique property boundary. This property has also had additional

1107
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,600
 scrutiny in that it went through that SUP process. So this site plan has been to

1108
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:05,920
 you and it's also been approved by City Council to focus new development to

1109
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,660
 activity center centers. May Hill is currently under construction and

1110
01:37:10,660 --> 01:37:14,760
 McKinney is about to be and and so there's been a lot of investment in the

1111
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,840
 corridors in this area and so the development of the site really is a

1112
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:22,960
 logical conclusion of that investment. Ensure infrastructure can accommodate

1113
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,600
 development that those corridors are being constructed and will be able to

1114
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:31,560
 handle any additional capacity. And then finally that results in a high quality

1115
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:35,480
 development meeting the intent of the standards. Due to the doughnut

1116
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:40,360
 configuration there is a restriction of the ability to meet the requirements but

1117
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,600
 it actually does result in a design that's appropriate for mixed use because

1118
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:48,760
 it does separate the residential portion from those high capacity roads and

1119
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,000
 provides that buffer and transition area. The parking areas are dispersed

1120
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,400
 throughout the site allowing the buildings in the parking areas and dry

1121
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:01,600
 valves to really create a grid, create more connectivity within the site and

1122
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:06,280
 then that consistent architectural design will will allow for a cohesive

1123
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:11,320
 appearance as this area develops. So based upon the criteria for approval

1124
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:15,200
 staff recommends approval of the request and I know there was a question

1125
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,720
 regarding the trees and work session and I just wanted to follow up so if so the

1126
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:24,520
 code allows for a 15% reduction if additional trees are saved. That would be

1127
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:32,560
 77 spaces out of the 515 and then which would require an additional 925 inches

1128
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,560
 of quality trees be be saved on site. It's a pretty tall order. I've talked

1129
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,960
 with the applicant and I think she can talk more to how many parking spaces

1130
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:46,120
 they really could reduce in order to save additional trees. And I'll stand for

1131
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:51,600
 any questions. Thank you Julie. I don't see any. I know the applicant is here and

1132
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:58,000
 so I'll invite Amy Bissett. I think she has some clarifying points to make.

1133
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:06,600
 Good evening Commissioners. Amy Bissett, 212 South Elm, Denton 76201 and I do have

1134
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:10,480
 a couple of slides but I just want to start by addressing the there are a

1135
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:16,000
 couple of questions in the work session about the building elevations and the

1136
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:22,600
 proposed variation in colors and the applicants or the developers commitment

1137
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:28,320
 to those colors and how the city will be able to hold them responsible for

1138
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:32,460
 actually building what they have proposed. I can tell you that the

1139
01:39:32,460 --> 01:39:37,680
 building permit is in second review with the city and is consistent with the

1140
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:42,080
 elevations that you see tonight. There are very few comments left to

1141
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:48,280
 address before the building permit is ready for approval. However I would

1142
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:54,960
 offer and and would be comfortable committing to the developer to this that

1143
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:59,200
 and that building permit set can be routed for review back to Julie to make

1144
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:04,280
 sure that it's consistent with what's being proposed here and and that the

1145
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:09,720
 permit approval would be conditioned upon actually implementing what was

1146
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:15,680
 proposed and approved as a part of the SUP. As it relates to tree preservation

1147
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:20,000
 versus parking and I want to give you a little bit of history here when we first

1148
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:28,360
 started the site plan for this project we had roughly 458 spaces and it was

1149
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:33,320
 that site plan was originally created before the new parking code was adopted

1150
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:37,120
 but it hadn't been submitted yet so we had to we had to scrounge together

1151
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:43,440
 another 50 plus spaces to be able to comply with the new parking code so what

1152
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:48,200
 I've done is I've broken out for you on a slide here how we've met that parking

1153
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:53,120
 code so each one bedroom unit requires one and a quarter spaces each two

1154
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:57,260
 bedroom unit requires two spaces and then above and beyond that is in another

1155
01:40:57,260 --> 01:41:04,120
 ten percent that's required for guest parking and we after the the City

1156
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:08,880
 Council meeting and last month there were some some council members who

1157
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,280
 specifically said we'd really like to see you go back and revisit the site

1158
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:17,560
 plan and try to preserve more trees and you know trade-off parking for trees and

1159
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:22,480
 so I had a conversation with the property developer and at that point in

1160
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:26,640
 time we there's the time constraints with trying to close on the property and

1161
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:31,440
 develop the property we couldn't amend the site plan and bring it to to you

1162
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:35,240
 with an ADP there were just too many moving pieces from a design standpoint

1163
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:42,400
 with the full civil set and the building plans and so so what we what we told the

1164
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:46,080
 city that we would do is you know if we get through the approval process and we

1165
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,140
 have building permits and there's an opportunity to have a conversation with

1166
01:41:49,140 --> 01:41:55,480
 the city about reducing parking and saving some trees we're open to that but

1167
01:41:55,480 --> 01:42:02,560
 I can tell you that it's it's gonna be challenging to reduce by very many and

1168
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,600
 the reason for that is you know we're already if you look at our tree

1169
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:10,720
 preservation and mitigation table we've really already gone through and counted

1170
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,020
 every tree possible to preserve even those with within the construction

1171
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:18,760
 envelope that are gonna be challenging to preserve is that is there an

1172
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,600
 opportunity to have some conversation about you know five or six spaces may be

1173
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:27,400
 that are in an area that's heavily treed absolutely but the developers gonna want

1174
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:34,280
 to park to market demand and and not want to significantly change the site in

1175
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:40,120
 such a way that it would affect drainage plans and civil plans that would take us

1176
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,840
 back to the drawing board so we certainly want to make an effort for tree

1177
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:48,360
 preservation and we appreciate it being added to the ADP and we've already made

1178
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:54,080
 quite a bit of effort for tree preservation and leading up up to tonight

1179
01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:00,920
 but to Commissioner Prenada's concerns about eliminating too many parking

1180
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:05,400
 spaces I there's no way that we could eliminate eliminate more than a handful

1181
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:14,600
 so so and we appreciate you being here for clarification you said you created a

1182
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:19,880
 plan under one parking requirement and then you had to come back with an

1183
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:25,240
 additional 47 so it seems like you had a plan with 47 less parking spaces but now

1184
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:30,240
 you're saying that only a handful can be removed we did sure so our original

1185
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:35,680
 plan you know it was created early on but not submitted to the city because we

1186
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:41,720
 were still in the process of getting all the building footprints solidified and by

1187
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,920
 the time we got ready to submit to the city the parking code had changed

1188
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:49,000
 requiring the additional ten percent guest parking so and we went in and

1189
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:53,320
 added that in the reason that it would be challenging to eliminate all of that

1190
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:59,520
 is it would significantly change the civil plans at this point which are about

1191
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,960
 ninety nine percent of the way approved so we want to we want to certainly want

1192
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,760
 to do what we can to to preserve more trees but we're gonna have to find a

1193
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:15,040
 balance with also being able to meet the financing deadlines and timelines to get

1194
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:19,560
 the project under construction so really significant changes to the civil plans

1195
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:24,560
 at this point would be problematic sir I certainly appreciate it and for the

1196
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:29,280
 record I I was against increasing the parking to begin with for multifamily so

1197
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,720
 I totally understand this is one reason or evidence that by not increasing the

1198
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,320
 parking when we did we wouldn't by nature we probably have more trees in

1199
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:42,960
 this property we're requiring you to do more parking so I certainly appreciate

1200
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:48,800
 and you being here to respond to that question and to clarify the where there's

1201
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,080
 some question about whether or not we could actually reduce parking at all to

1202
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:57,640
 preserve trees because I think the way that the that the relief for parking is

1203
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:03,320
 written first we would have to eliminate the 774 inches that we're mitigating for

1204
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:08,280
 and then reduce beyond that I'm not certain about that but that is a

1205
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:14,600
 question as well where even if we made heroic efforts to read to preserve the

1206
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:17,960
 trees that we're already having to mitigate for we'd have to go above and

1207
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:22,440
 beyond that to decrease parking and the way the codes written today I believe

1208
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:35,160
 Commissioner Sanchez so I guess my understanding is would you prefer not to

1209
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:41,080
 reduce of parking spaces because of the current the way it's already been

1210
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:45,880
 created the plants has been created is that your preference the preference and

1211
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,600
 from a timing standpoint is we need to be under construction as quickly as

1212
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:56,060
 possible and so the more significant changes that would be made the slower

1213
01:45:56,060 --> 01:46:03,360
 that would be so from from a from a we wanted we want to do the best for this

1214
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:09,080
 project we'd love to preserve more trees but we have to balance that with speed

1215
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,360
 to construction at this point and being this late in the game it would be

1216
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:17,200
 difficult to eliminate more than just a handful of parking spaces that were very

1217
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:22,120
 like low-hanging fruit easy we can do this without it changing the full set of

1218
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:31,560
 civil plans so so you stated that just a handful of parking spaces and we're

1219
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:36,040
 talking about trees over 12 inch inches in diameter right and you you've already

1220
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:41,160
 surveyed the area and determined which trees you can save and have you have you

1221
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:46,200
 any idea of how many trees over 12 inches are still out there that you would

1222
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:50,480
 cut is there any kind of record I don't know I don't know that off the top of my

1223
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:54,640
 head we do have a full comprehensive tree survey with every tree identified

1224
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:58,880
 whether it's a quality tree what species it is and how big it is so

1225
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,160
 overlaying that with you know the parking or the paving plan and being able

1226
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:10,120
 to say okay there might be you know a handful here is a reasonable exercise but

1227
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,880
 frankly it would be after we get building permit and get moving so it

1228
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:19,520
 would not it would not we couldn't do it to the extent that we could cut out 50

1229
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:25,640
 spaces and have to to re-engineer the site plan does that adequately answer

1230
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:31,000
 your question yeah I guess I have one more question is if is there any other

1231
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:35,600
 you talked about eliminating parking spaces is there any kind of other

1232
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:41,480
 discussion you had that you could do something in addition to to the area say

1233
01:47:41,480 --> 01:47:48,040
 removing some other kind of landscaping area that you could do to mitigate those

1234
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:52,640
 if those trees are found in an area that you can do that without have you talked

1235
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:57,440
 about that at all yes so we went through a lengthy and significant exercise where

1236
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:03,080
 I can attest that I personally went through every tree by hand to look at

1237
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:07,480
 where it is on the site plan and whether there's any opportunity to preserve it

1238
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:12,580
 to increase our preservation to the maximum extent possible and without

1239
01:48:12,580 --> 01:48:18,000
 losing buildings or you having to alter the site plan to the point of starting

1240
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:22,120
 over in the design process so we have looked at and literally I've gone with

1241
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:27,400
 our landscape architect tree by tree to talk about whether or not there's a way

1242
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:33,680
 to preserve it when it might have not originally been intended to be

1243
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:40,480
 preserved and if you did that what did you come up with if you went if you

1244
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:47,040
 already did that evaluation and came by tree to tree what did you come up with

1245
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:50,960
 any kind of about you know not not just say okay it's there was 13 trees five

1246
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,920
 trees that we can actually keep and that's going to eliminate for parking

1247
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,520
 places well I'm sorry I think I misunderstood your question we did that

1248
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:03,160
 leading up to the tree preservation table that's displayed right now as a

1249
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,760
 part of our specific use permit where we wanted to demonstrate that we had

1250
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:12,000
 preserved as many trees as we could and complied with code so and had we had

1251
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:17,000
 this conversation several months ago when we had the site plan drawn at 400

1252
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:21,440
 and some odd spaces you bet the tree preservation would be higher today but

1253
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:26,200
 at this point with the current site plan we've made a significant effort to try

1254
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:29,920
 to preserve as many trees as we can and and while we're willing to have a

1255
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,880
 conversation about a trade-off for some parking for trees if it doesn't

1256
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:38,200
 significantly change plans it would be after building permit and it would not

1257
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:43,120
 be a significant number we have not been through the exercise of how many could

1258
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:48,920
 how many could we save versus how many parking spaces I can tell you that you

1259
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:55,000
 know at 12 DB each per parking space that's a lot of trees to just for a

1260
01:49:55,000 --> 01:50:00,640
 handful of parking spaces you know so it's going to be challenging to to

1261
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:06,400
 eliminate very many parking spaces even if we wanted to which we don't thank

1262
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:14,440
 you a real fast just to clarify the the city has asked you to put new parking

1263
01:50:14,440 --> 01:50:19,200
 spaces in by code you did that brought it back to this city and they said

1264
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:23,400
 reduce the number of parking spaces or try your best to reduce them after they

1265
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:31,840
 voted for code that made you put more in I don't see any other questions so I

1266
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:36,400
 appreciate you being here and oh Christian back thank you chair thank you

1267
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:40,680
 Amy for your presentation I remembered what it was I was going to ask you I

1268
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,920
 actually I'm excited about this development I'm not going to have any

1269
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:51,280
 problem approving the ADP what I really like about this development is that it's

1270
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:56,920
 bordered by primary and secondary arterial which accommodates public

1271
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,200
 transportation and that's important because this is an area where you got a

1272
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:06,960
 large contingent low and middle income working families over there so just a

1273
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,680
 question for you based on that does the applicant have any intent of setting

1274
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:17,040
 aside a certain percentage of the apartments that would accommodate low

1275
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:21,200
 income families my understanding from the developer at this point in time is

1276
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:28,280
 that it will be market rate okay all right thank you thank you thank you this

1277
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:31,240
 is not a public hearing but if anyone is wanting to speak on this item we can

1278
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:38,680
 certainly listen if you can just state your name and address for the record

1279
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:44,840
 you have three minutes to speak my name is Rebecca Dick Stein I live at 2224

1280
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:54,160
 Northlake Trail in Denton 76201 and I want to point out that trees benefit

1281
01:51:54,160 --> 01:52:03,560
 everybody they mitigate air quality in our city and they also provide shade

1282
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:08,720
 they lower costs for buildings and cooling and I would urge you to vote

1283
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:16,760
 for the trees thank you thank you anyone else want to speak on this item I'll

1284
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:20,680
 turn to the dais for discussion or motion Christopher Smith motion to

1285
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:26,840
 prove ADP 19-0002 is there a condition there's a one condition with staff

1286
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:34,200
 recommendations okay perfect okay Commissioner Beck second we have a first

1287
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:39,440
 and a second for approval with staff recommendations any discussion see none

1288
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:46,920
 I'll call for vote on the board okay so the recommendation is that we approve

1289
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:55,640
 it with this consideration of the parking lots right okay I just wanted to

1290
01:52:55,640 --> 01:53:01,640
 say that listening to to the representative here I mean they've done

1291
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:06,600
 everything that they were asked to do we all understand that trees are very

1292
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,320
 important but they've already met that that minimum requirement or that

1293
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:15,440
 requirement that the city has so it's my it's hard for me you know we give them

1294
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:20,440
 standards to to how they should build and then we come back and say okay now

1295
01:53:20,440 --> 01:53:26,240
 we want you to do some more more work because we decided we want more trees

1296
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:29,840
 I'm not against trees I'm all for trees but at the same time we have to

1297
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:35,960
 understand that I believe we have to look at what we required from them at

1298
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:40,560
 the beginning and not change our mind as we as we go on and we made this

1299
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,280
 requirement that we would require a certain amount of parking spaces they

1300
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,120
 met that and they've worked real hard to do that so I would have to vote against

1301
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:56,040
 it simply because it has that additional recommendation there I just want to

1302
01:53:56,040 --> 01:54:03,200
 state that thank you Mr. Christopher back if I may to address Commissioner

1303
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:08,600
 Sanchez's concern again this isn't going to force them to lose I mean it's not an

1304
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,960
 absolute they have to meet a certain criteria which will probably be

1305
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:20,600
 difficult to me I can't I can barely hear you I'm speaking right this this

1306
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:27,080
 recommendation is not something that's going to absolutely reduce the number of

1307
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,680
 parkings there it's just a recommendation that if you find certain

1308
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:35,640
 trees that meet certain dimensions consider saving them at a loss of

1309
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:40,800
 parking but there's not a an iron-fisted demand here that they reduce it any more

1310
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:45,480
 than that so it's just it's just a suggestion to try and find room to

1311
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:49,920
 preserve more trees if they can but looking at the criteria that's going to

1312
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,760
 be pretty difficult in my opinion so for what it's worth

1313
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:59,160
 pressure Sanchez I understand that but at the same time we did we have them

1314
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,640
 they already went through that effort we discussed that I mean they followed what

1315
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:07,680
 we asked them now we're going back and say okay go it's still time money that

1316
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:12,000
 you know and are they gonna find them she said based on what they did they

1317
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:17,840
 pretty much there's not gonna be maybe one or two parking spots if maybe that

1318
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:22,520
 that's my understanding there's not not gonna be that many parking spots and it

1319
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:27,120
 takes quite a few trees even to cover one spot are they gonna have that many

1320
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:34,280
 trees it it's money that they've already going to have to invest and they on

1321
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:38,560
 something that we should have had that from the beginning we we made the

1322
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:42,480
 decision a long time ago or the city made that these are the number of parking

1323
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:47,880
 spots we need and I believe it was based on the fact that a lot of these

1324
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:52,080
 apartment complexes don't have enough parking spots so are we gonna go back up

1325
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:56,440
 now and say okay we're gonna make an exception here are we gonna start doing

1326
01:55:56,440 --> 01:56:04,640
 that in every apartment complex we need to treat them all the same

1327
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:11,280
 seeing no other discussion we do have a first and a second from Commissioner

1328
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:16,640
 Smith and Commissioner Beck for approval I'll call for a vote on the board

1329
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:27,040
 motion carries six one next item of business is our public hearings first

1330
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:36,280
 one is item 5a AESA 19 - 0 0 0 1 B this item was previously opened to the

1331
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:42,160
 public hearing I believe last meeting and so at this point since the item has

1332
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:46,320
 already been open we're seeking a motion to postpone this item to a date certain

1333
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:53,680
 of August 21st Christian Smith motion to postpone to date certain of August 21st

1334
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:58,440
 second emotion we have a first and a second to postpone to a date certain of

1335
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:06,760
 August 21st any discussion seeing none I call for a vote on the board

1336
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:19,880
 motion carries six zero with one recuse I'll invite Commissioner Cole back to

1337
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:28,920
 the dais move us to the next item 5b z 19 - 0 0 0 6 a I'll invite Julie Wyatt for

1338
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:31,360
 presentation

1339
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:43,280
 all right good evening this is z 19 6a fireside park so the request before you

1340
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:49,240
 is to amend ordinance 2 0 1 5 - 2 1 7 to revise overlay conditions on

1341
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:55,000
 approximately 30 acres of land-zoned neighborhood residential 3 the subject

1342
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:59,680
 property is outlined in yellow on your screen and it is at the corner of Windsor

1343
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:07,660
 and Hinkle some background on the site in 2002 it was zoned in our - during the

1344
01:58:07,660 --> 01:58:14,600
 citywide rezoning there was subject of a rezoning case in 2007 at that time it

1345
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:20,240
 was rezoned from NR 2 to NR 3 with overlay conditions this project was part

1346
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:25,720
 of a very specific concept plan and as part of that there were those overlay

1347
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:30,720
 conditions directing how the site would be designed were were put on the

1348
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:37,400
 property in 2015 that that project was was not developed so a new developer

1349
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:42,640
 came in in 2015 at that time he was wanting to develop a age-restricted

1350
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:47,720
 property single-family neighborhood once again also a part of it a pretty

1351
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:52,800
 specific concept plan that included smaller lots with a lot of common open

1352
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:57,560
 space particularly around the perimeter of the site that was approved with

1353
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:01,920
 overlay conditions those overlay conditions are on your screen they were

1354
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,920
 there were four of them and these what kind of related to the overlay

1355
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,560
 conditions from 2007 first that a perimeter fence with a wrought-iron fence

1356
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:16,320
 would be installed and that the setback of the homes from the existing curb

1357
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:23,480
 would be 50 foot minimum so that would be from Windsor and Hinkle the and the

1358
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:31,400
 HOA would maintain the the open spaces it also required 100% masonry for for

1359
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:36,240
 the single-family homes on the site three car garages could not face the

1360
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:41,520
 public or private right of way and then any ingress or egress could not remove

1361
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:46,480
 any bike lanes on Hinkle so that was a part of that that specific site design

1362
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:52,360
 that was not developed however a new developer came in and in 2018 a plot was

1363
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,880
 a final plot was approved and it was filed of record and it's currently under

1364
01:59:55,880 --> 02:00:02,480
 construction they're putting in the the water and sewer in streets and and as

1365
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:07,280
 part of his development he is requesting a modification of those overlay

1366
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:12,420
 restrictions so those those previous concept plans that were specific to

1367
02:00:12,420 --> 02:00:17,360
 those those specific projects were not developed and he's developed it in more

1368
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:24,340
 of a typical single-family neighborhood pattern with houses backing Windsor and

1369
02:00:24,340 --> 02:00:28,680
 Hinkle so that their backyards would be on those arterial Hinkle's a collector

1370
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:34,680
 and then and then Windsor is an arterial so he is requesting to modify that

1371
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:39,680
 perimeter fencing to allow opaque fencing for privacy for homeowners along

1372
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:45,720
 those rights of way and to reduce the setback those that 50 foot to 40 feet

1373
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:50,600
 and then that varied exterior building materials he's requesting that instead

1374
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:57,160
 of that 100% masonry to reduce that to 70% masonry his request would not modify

1375
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:00,800
 the underlying zoning so it would not increase the density or introduce new

1376
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:07,120
 uses in fact they're already platted lots so here's here's the the language

1377
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:11,280
 that he is requesting that that perimeter fence be constructed of a six

1378
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:15,600
 foot tall board on board cedar fence with a top railing cap that there would

1379
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:21,700
 be stone and or brick columns constructed every 100 linear feet along

1380
02:01:21,700 --> 02:01:26,360
 the street perimeter and at any corners in any terminus that there would be a

1381
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:29,920
 vertical landscape element between those 100 feet columns so there would be

1382
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:34,120
 something every 50 feet and then also street trees would be planted along

1383
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:38,320
 Windsor and Hinkle they would be alternating shade and ornamental trees

1384
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:44,600
 and they would be planted every 20 feet on center the HOA would maintain that

1385
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:49,280
 that perimeter fence if this is approved as well as that landscaping along Windsor

1386
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:54,720
 and Hinkle as I said he's requested a reduction in that minimum masonry from

1387
02:01:54,720 --> 02:02:01,480
 100% to 70% but as we've discussed many times that due to a recent House bill

1388
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:06,920
 and a new state of Texas laws we are no longer as the city of Denton we can't

1389
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:12,480
 enforce that minimum masonry so staff has actually requested that that just be

1390
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:16,060
 removed just to prevent confusion in the past because it's just not something we

1391
02:02:16,060 --> 02:02:22,360
 can enforce he's also requesting to reduce that set back from 40 50 feet to

1392
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:26,920
 40 feet and then leaving the the provision about cars and ingress and

1393
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:34,560
 ingress in place so here is a depiction of what if approved the the fencing and

1394
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:38,400
 the landscaping along Windsor and Hinkle would look like once again the

1395
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:44,240
 alternating shade trees the cedar board on board fence with the masonry columns

1396
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:50,080
 and then the landscaping element in the center here's a depiction of what that

1397
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:57,520
 what the the setbacks look like so so here is here's Hinkle and just as an

1398
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:02,520
 example I've chosen a lot that that yellow box that represents 50 feet from

1399
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:07,520
 the curb so that's that would be that rear yard setback if 50 feet stays in

1400
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:12,480
 place he is requesting a reduction to 40 feet so you can see that that 40 feet is

1401
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:17,200
 that red and then that's kind of that this hatch line is sort of the depiction

1402
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:21,480
 of what that would look down the street the current development code only

1403
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:25,560
 requires a 10-foot rear setback so this portion in green is actually if it was

1404
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:29,880
 just base minimum code what the minimum rear setback would be so that's on

1405
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:33,960
 Hinkle on Windsor is a little different because the property lines start very

1406
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:40,600
 far from that existing curb so the yellow really really wouldn't impact the

1407
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:46,640
 that 50 feet really wouldn't impact those properties very much and then and

1408
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:50,680
 then you can see how the other so so that doesn't come into play as much as

1409
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:54,120
 it does on Hinkle there was a question in work session about what that looks

1410
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:58,400
 like on the street and so I just added this and just so you can kind of see how

1411
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:05,160
 Windsor looks up and down the street so these houses are set back about 45 43 to

1412
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:10,680
 45 feet that front yard setback this has bowling green park so it has a much

1413
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:17,120
 larger setback for these houses so so if and I don't have it depicted on here but

1414
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:22,920
 but that that 40 foot setback would would sort of maintain that line along

1415
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,520
 Windsor except for obviously here because of that park that's separating

1416
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:33,360
 the Windsor from the residential lots the criteria for approval is in sub

1417
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,600
 chapter 3 of the debt and development code first is it meet the future land

1418
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:41,080
 use and then second does it provide for adequate public infrastructure so first

1419
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:45,160
 we look at the future land use element of Denton plan 2030 this is a low

1420
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:49,160
 residential designation and that is single-family neighborhoods up to four

1421
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:53,200
 dwelling units per acre the existing zoning of nr3 is consistent with that

1422
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:57,160
 because it allows three and a half dwelling units per acre and is it is one

1423
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:02,280
 of our single-family zoning districts we also looked at element 4 which is our

1424
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:07,440
 urban design portion of our dent plan 2030 and we had some findings based upon

1425
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:11,720
 that first of all that opaque cedar fence would provide backyard privacy and

1426
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:15,360
 screening for future homeowners adjacent to the streets so that you people

1427
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:19,960
 wouldn't be seeing in their backyards those brick columns landscaping and

1428
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:24,440
 street trees provide visual consistency and rhythm along the rights of way so it

1429
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:29,140
 creates not only a sense of arrival for the future homeowners within the

1430
02:05:29,140 --> 02:05:34,000
 fireside park development but also would enhance those existing corridors as the

1431
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:39,760
 overlay is written today street trees aren't required along Windsor and

1432
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:44,620
 Hinkle so this this would would actually enhance that by adding those street

1433
02:05:44,620 --> 02:05:50,240
 trees along those corridors it provides that it would those street trees would

1434
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:56,040
 also provide that name that well-defined neighborhood edge and and and enhance

1435
02:05:56,040 --> 02:06:01,200
 those those rights of way the rear setback of 40 feet is not anticipated to

1436
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:04,360
 reduce the neighborhood quality because it's it's in excess of what the

1437
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:09,120
 development code requires so it's it's greater than what are any any new

1438
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:14,720
 subdivision under just standard zoning would be required to put in and that 70%

1439
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:21,800
 masonry exceeds not only a 2002 and 2019 DDC requirements but once again it's

1440
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:26,240
 just not something we can enforce anymore we looked at the public

1441
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:30,520
 improvements because this request would not increase the density or in intensity

1442
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:35,680
 any new uses on the side a TIA wasn't required as as a result of the

1443
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:39,020
 development of the site they are required to construct a five foot

1444
02:06:39,020 --> 02:06:43,880
 sidewalk on Hinkle and an eight foot sidewalk on heat on Windsor as part of

1445
02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:47,960
 that the development of the site there are capital improvement projects in the

1446
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:53,560
 area one of them being the Magnolia Drive drainage which which is is really

1447
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:58,400
 affecting Hinkle right now they are installing box culverts on Hinkle and

1448
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:03,000
 West Windsor that's going to carry that stormwater to the south once installed

1449
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:09,080
 the pavement will be replaced in its current between the the current curb and

1450
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:13,880
 gutter and then that bike lane will be in restored as well due to resident

1451
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:18,280
 safety concerns that were discussed at the neighborhood meeting they had the

1452
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:23,200
 city has installed two stop signs on West Windsor at Hinkle creating a

1453
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:28,240
 three-way stop there it's intended to calm a traffic on West Windsor also

1454
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:34,960
 create a safer intersection for for residents pedestrians going to North

1455
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:39,720
 Lakes Park as well as for vehicles when when you're on Hinkle and trying to turn

1456
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:43,600
 on Windsor that's not a right angle intersection you almost have to look

1457
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:48,000
 behind you so that that stop sign gives them a little extra a little a little

1458
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:54,800
 extra traffic calming there will be impact fees paid with with the building

1459
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:59,680
 permits about $2,000 per dwelling unit and that's for to provide funding for

1460
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:05,240
 transportation improvements for the with that for the benefit of the city and to

1461
02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:14,640
 and to implement our mobility plan and they also had to to do dedicate their

1462
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:20,420
 park requirements at platting and then also at building permit they'll have to

1463
02:08:20,420 --> 02:08:25,840
 pay a park development fee per single-family home water and wastewater is

1464
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:30,080
 available to the side and is being constructed on the future streets as

1465
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:39,200
 shown on the on the the aerial here there are schools they the 107 homes on

1466
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:44,040
 the side is expected to generate 24 elementary students 12 middle school

1467
02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:50,200
 students and 16 high school students this is based on a formula by DISD and

1468
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:54,240
 so so that is what their anticipated enrollment will be and then there is a

1469
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:58,000
 fire station nearby it's within their eight minute or minute or less response

1470
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:02,400
 time boundary public notification was sent out we've received some in

1471
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:07,760
 opposition only one within that 200 foot boundary as of now and we haven't

1472
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,640
 received any in favor signs were posted on the site and they did hold a

1473
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:16,240
 neighborhood meeting staff does recommend it recommend approval of the

1474
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:20,280
 requirement because it does meet the criteria or they recommend approval of

1475
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:25,720
 the request because it does meet the criteria for approval with the the

1476
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:30,800
 conditions that I discussed before regarding the six foot tall board on

1477
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:35,600
 board cedar fence with that top railing cap the brick columns every 100 linear

1478
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:41,040
 feet with the additional landscaping of street trees one every 20 feet with the

1479
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:45,560
 alternating shade and ornamental and then that additional landscaping element

1480
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:50,280
 to be maintained by the homeowners Association the setback would be

1481
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:55,840
 reduced would be reduced from that 50 feet to 40 feet the three-car garages

1482
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:59,720
 wouldn't face the street and then any ingress or egress would not remove the

1483
02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:04,400
 on-street bike lane on Hinkle Drive the applicant is here and I will stand for

1484
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:08,680
 any questions we do have a couple Julie first is Christian back thank you chair

1485
02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:13,560
 thanks Julie just did you get a chance to find out what the linear footage for

1486
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:26,760
 frontage on both Windsor Hinkle is so this is 1250 feet along here yes and along

1487
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:32,280
 Hinkle it is 1400 feet okay great thank you Julie have a couple questions for

1488
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:41,160
 you the I appreciate you pulling yardage or the footage from the street that 40

1489
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:47,320
 feet setback that's to the property line not to the house correct for this new

1490
02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:51,280
 development well this development the way the overlay conditions were written

1491
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:56,760
 is that it's 50 feet from the curb to the house to those structures the way we

1492
02:10:56,760 --> 02:11:01,080
 typically and that's from the existing curb line typically we we see a rear

1493
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:06,760
 setback from the property line to the house but you're correct that 40 feet

1494
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:11,840
 would not be to the property line it would be to any structures okay and then

1495
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:18,040
 how close can and that the backyard faces the collector Street of the

1496
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:24,920
 secondary is here right yes sir how close can that fence be to Windsor that

1497
02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:31,000
 fence it that's fine it would be on the property line because this would this is

1498
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:35,840
 then right-of-way and do you know the distance we that that right-of-way is so

1499
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:42,160
 it looks like from Windsor to the property line where the fence would be I

1500
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:47,240
 mean it kind of looks like almost 40 feet the right-of-way is much larger than

1501
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:54,080
 the actual street width is today so it's and they're not required to expand that

1502
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:58,200
 street as a result of this so so you know I don't know what the future plans

1503
02:11:58,200 --> 02:12:03,000
 are for Windsor in this location but right now it would not expand this is

1504
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:09,980
 that right-of-way but but yeah there is there's quite a big gap there okay and

1505
02:12:09,980 --> 02:12:13,800
 then the other question I had is is not to oversimplify the request but to

1506
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:22,320
 hopefully direct the conversation this request ultimately changes two things

1507
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:28,520
 about the already approved zoning there being the one being a change from a

1508
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:33,480
 wrought-iron fence to the fence described in your presentation the board

1509
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:40,280
 on board with 100 foot stone structures and then the other is changing it from

1510
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:44,200
 50 feet to 40 feet correct the other conditions are remaining unchanged

1511
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:48,040
 correct so for discussion purposes tonight this commission is considering

1512
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:55,200
 should the fence be a wrought-iron or upgraded to a wood or or and should the

1513
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:59,520
 setback move from 50 feet to 40 feet those that's the two kind of cruxes of

1514
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:03,680
 the issue that's my understanding correctly yes sir and the landscaping

1515
02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:09,280
 associated with the the tree the fence perfect I see no other questions thank

1516
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:14,320
 you this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak may certainly do so I

1517
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:18,600
 only have one card but everyone here is more than welcome to speak if you have a

1518
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:21,560
 card will you bring it up when you come down but the first person that had a

1519
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:27,600
 card is Gail Garber and if you just state your name and address for the

1520
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:31,520
 record you'll have four minutes to speak and then we'll progress through okay my

1521
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:36,720
 name is Gail Garber I live at 1200 Meadow Ridge Drive Denton Texas 76201

1522
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:41,640
 I've lived in the area for 35 years we've dealt with this piece of property

1523
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:47,040
 for at least the last 20 having changes done to it originally I don't know if

1524
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:51,840
 y'all can see this or not yeah we can see that let me just turn the camera on

1525
02:13:51,840 --> 02:14:00,080
 upstairs when this property was first set to change the from NR 2 to NR 3

1526
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:06,080
 code originally this was a treed lot area with quite a few trees on it we

1527
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:11,200
 went to NR 3 the developer started all the trees went away the developer was

1528
02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:16,600
 fine $2,500 for the removal of all the trees we went from what should have been

1529
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:22,160
 around 72 homes we're now up to 107 homes which the neighborhood was talked

1530
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:25,480
 you know they couldn't develop it with just two houses per acre they needed

1531
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:29,400
 more density to make it economically feasible for the developers so that's

1532
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:34,120
 why the zone changed at the time in the last several divisions when different

1533
02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:38,200
 developers have come in this planning and zoning Commission Julie Wyatt was on

1534
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:42,580
 part of it the City Council has approved the changes that are on the overlay

1535
02:14:42,580 --> 02:14:46,400
 district when this gentleman bought the property with the overlay district he

1536
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:49,800
 knew it was there did not ask for a change till six months into the

1537
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:58,800
 development he advised us at the meeting with the area when they were talking

1538
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:03,520
 about making these changes one of the home developers is Gann Homes but I

1539
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:07,160
 think they have over half the lots the other builder were unaware who that was

1540
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:12,560
 I went home did research on Gann Homes I have printouts if y'all would like off

1541
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:17,200
 the internet of the shoddy construction and the different complaints from people

1542
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:21,360
 on their building process how the homes have turned out they do not honor their

1543
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:26,560
 warranties paint is poorly done the siding is falling off houses now they

1544
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:31,080
 also have some good comments on here as well but going to the construction in

1545
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:35,040
 the area it doesn't look very nice for what he's fixing to bring into the

1546
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:40,360
 neighborhood he complained at our thing that the wrought-iron fence would allow

1547
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:45,240
 homeowners dogs to bite people as they walked along the track well you know what

1548
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:48,560
 their homeowners insurance should cover that or they can put their own shrubbery

1549
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:54,440
 and greenery against the wrought-iron fence to help mitigate some of that he

1550
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:58,520
 also addressed that the backyards could become sloppy we'd have to look at it

1551
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:02,200
 through the wrought-iron fence well what's the homeowners Association for

1552
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,600
 it's there to keep the people to maintain their homes so I don't

1553
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:10,280
 understand why that would be a problem I'm against the fence our neighborhood

1554
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:14,780
 is not fenced off from others I'd like to see the wrought-iron fence go in to

1555
02:16:14,780 --> 02:16:18,760
 continue the continuity I'd like to see the hundred percent brick stay and I

1556
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:22,480
 understand why that can't be enforced and I don't understand all the legal

1557
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:25,920
 ramifications but if the overlay district were already on there if we

1558
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:29,160
 don't remove it I don't understand why he can't build a hundred percent brick

1559
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:33,200
 the majority of the homes in the area are already a hundred percent brick very

1560
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:39,080
 few of them have siding if they do it's on a gable and it's not much just

1561
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:43,780
 making it conducive to the current neighborhood his comment at our meeting

1562
02:16:43,780 --> 02:16:48,520
 was well I'm gonna meet Denton's minimum code well that sounds pretty yucky to me

1563
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:52,480
 I'd like to see a developer come in and go above the minimum code the

1564
02:16:52,480 --> 02:16:56,640
 neighborhood it's not at a minimum code it's maintained it's been maintained for

1565
02:16:56,640 --> 02:17:00,600
 40 and 50 years you bring someone that wants to do minimum code you're gonna

1566
02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:05,400
 have a neighborhood in the donut it's not being kept up and that's exactly what

1567
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:16,200
 we're fixing to look at we've gone through the neighborhoods been through

1568
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:20,280
 the density thing we understand there's a cost to develop it but he's trying to

1569
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:24,280
 bring in someone that wants to do it at the cost to our neighborhood they're

1570
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:28,840
 gonna be in they're gonna be out they're not gonna be the ones living here they

1571
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:32,120
 have put in the stop sign to help with the traffic but we're not seeing the

1572
02:17:32,120 --> 02:17:35,400
 full impact of it yet because our streets are shut down so we don't have

1573
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:38,600
 the neighborhood bill and we don't have the traffic going up to North Lakes Park

1574
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:42,120
 yet so we have no idea how that's gonna stop our fire and police protection

1575
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:46,440
 getting down to us on Hinkle plus I don't think that Hinkle's wide enough for

1576
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:52,720
 these trees and a sidewalk according to their plot plan thank you I appreciate

1577
02:17:52,720 --> 02:18:00,200
 you being here thank you I think it's worth noting because this might be an

1578
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:07,560
 ongoing point for the citizens this city of Denton no longer can enforce

1579
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:14,040
 building materials so not to get into legalese of it but our representatives

1580
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:20,440
 at the state level voted to remove that authority from city ordinances so I

1581
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:25,800
 think all your points are valid unfortunately of all of those we cannot

1582
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:29,880
 do anything about enforcing brick the state legislation took that power away

1583
02:18:29,880 --> 02:18:36,160
 from us the defense and stuff back is on the table for discussion this evening

1584
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:41,360
 the brick unfortunately is not Christian Ellis thank you chair and to that point

1585
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:46,080
 I did ask in our work session with pre-existing overlay conditions if these

1586
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:50,640
 this new legislation which takes effect September 1st if that removes the

1587
02:18:50,640 --> 02:18:55,640
 overlay and and the city's ability to enforce that and unfortunately it does

1588
02:18:55,640 --> 02:19:01,560
 Christian back thank you chair I'm hoping the applicant is here that we can

1589
02:19:01,560 --> 02:19:07,640
 address some questions to state your name and address please

1590
02:19:07,640 --> 02:19:14,840
 McGinnis I reside in Frisco Texas okay Casey thank you the one big concern I

1591
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:19,080
 have I'm a little disappointed too we're gonna lose the wrought iron fence or

1592
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:28,560
 it's being recommended to this area over there it's not so much that the cedar

1593
02:19:28,560 --> 02:19:33,360
 board-on-board fence that you're recommending is cheap as far as wood

1594
02:19:33,360 --> 02:19:37,840
 fences goes it's probably the line but it takes something away my main concern

1595
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:44,000
 especially on Windsor it's a secondary arterial it sees a lot of traffic and I

1596
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:48,840
 understand that the way that you're developing this you are gonna have a lot

1597
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:52,200
 of backyards facing out there and I can understand the need for privacy I

1598
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:58,880
 understand Gail's concern too about how that could be dealt with otherwise but I

1599
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:03,520
 wonder if it wouldn't be amenable to you you wouldn't see value in to

1600
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:10,840
 accommodate these concerns to at least a long winter consider a masonry wall on

1601
02:20:10,840 --> 02:20:15,280
 that 1250 foot frontage up there I realize it's at a cost that would be

1602
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:21,520
 added to the to each house but over the long haul if HOA is responsible for this

1603
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:26,160
 I'm thinking maintenance it's gonna offset maintenance costs down the road

1604
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:33,720
 plus it's gonna give a more appealing look at least on Windsor I can live

1605
02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:40,920
 with the board on board on ankle because it's a connector Street but is it

1606
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:46,080
 possible that you would take a serious look at that and give some value to a

1607
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:52,520
 masonry fence along Windsor yeah mr. Beck I appreciate your opinion when we

1608
02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:57,320
 purchased the property like I said the the overlay was a wrought iron fence and

1609
02:20:57,320 --> 02:21:03,560
 just because of the nature of this property with the drainage requirements

1610
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:08,080
 that we have you know we've had we've had to add two detention ponds to the

1611
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:12,480
 site to take off the drainage from the adjacent creeks and from the storm

1612
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:18,120
 drains in that area that were at the time already taxed so there's additional

1613
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:23,460
 cost associated with that I will say when we had the neighborhood meeting miss

1614
02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:26,880
 Wyatt after I went if we had the neighborhood meeting and then went met

1615
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:31,760
 with staff miss Wyatt took meticulous notes on all the concerns from the

1616
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:37,000
 community and so when we got together we went through these line item by line

1617
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:42,120
 item by line item to address those legitimate concerns by the community one

1618
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:46,880
 by one and and that's how you see the the book of work that you saw today with

1619
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:51,080
 the fence the columns the additional landscaping things that things of that

1620
02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:54,920
 nature and so from a budget perspective and I know people don't like to talk

1621
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:59,320
 about budgets or hear about them but it was a step up from what we originally

1622
02:21:59,320 --> 02:22:07,560
 were planning to do the the brick thin wall is a cost that's three times what

1623
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:11,440
 the wrought iron fence is what the wood fences and it just wasn't part of the

1624
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:15,680
 cost estimates when we purchased the property so unfortunately my answer is

1625
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:18,840
 it's just it's just not financially feasible for us to do that at this time

1626
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:24,200
 okay and I do understand that again I was trying to indicate though in the

1627
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:28,840
 long haul the the maintenance of it that might all set that original cost each

1628
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:35,880
 homeowner is going to incur that cost up front but down the road maintaining a

1629
02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:42,820
 masonry wall would be a lot less than fences we've seen these areas Teasley

1630
02:22:42,820 --> 02:22:47,640
 Lane comes to mind that stretch from 35 all the way where it loops around hits

1631
02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:52,800
 Lillian Miller is a lot of wood fences some of them board on board some of them

1632
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:57,960
 are not and they're poorly maintained in time wood fences as good as this one is

1633
02:22:57,960 --> 02:23:05,640
 will deteriorate unless the HOA is on top of this it's going to just look bad

1634
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:15,640
 on the main arterial so again just I'm probably going to try and see if I can

1635
02:23:15,640 --> 02:23:20,640
 add an amendment to this and see if we can get a masonry wall up there that

1636
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:26,080
 would be my suggestion otherwise I'm having a hard time approving this loose

1637
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:29,240
 fence I don't have a problem with the setbacks I think we can live with that

1638
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:35,200
 but the appearance of a fence long winters important to me and I think in

1639
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:39,440
 the long run it'll be important to the city and I can't help but feel it would

1640
02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:43,160
 add value to your development too but that's my opinion so but thank you

1641
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:47,240
 anyway all right well I know when we when we submit the HOA documents we have

1642
02:23:47,240 --> 02:23:51,280
 to do that to the city for their approval for just those types of purposes

1643
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:56,480
 to make sure that it is positioned and run adequately to take care of those

1644
02:23:56,480 --> 02:24:00,680
 maintenance type items it was approved by the city and so I think from a code

1645
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:06,240
 enforcement perspective that the city can watchdog those elements about

1646
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:10,440
 maintenance about the way it looks things of that nature okay thank you sir

1647
02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:18,280
 another question Commissioner Sanchez I just want to say I'm glad you're honest

1648
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:25,120
 about you know increasing costs I know a lot of times you know I feel that we

1649
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:29,620
 make recommendations without since it doesn't come out of our pockets it's a

1650
02:24:29,620 --> 02:24:35,200
 lot easier to make recommendations then so I appreciate you recognizing or

1651
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:41,760
 telling us that you know you didn't make what do you call it you didn't make a

1652
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:47,800
 considerate you didn't consider that a brick wall and that should have been

1653
02:24:47,800 --> 02:24:51,480
 discussed previously so you wouldn't get caught here trying to make a quick

1654
02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:56,240
 decision so I just want to appreciate what you stated well I appreciate that

1655
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:59,880
 too and I did want to state you know we have been working with the city on

1656
02:24:59,880 --> 02:25:04,920
 numerous types of items that we have come to the table financially for one of

1657
02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:08,920
 them is with the water system you know we currently were going to bring help to

1658
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:14,360
 help the city connect their main water system down Windsor we ran into an issue

1659
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:18,320
 in the right of way because of the trees that were planted in front of the park

1660
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:23,280
 it just made that unfeasible to take that down Windsor we stepped up and

1661
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:27,480
 purchased the right of way through the park to take that around through the

1662
02:25:27,480 --> 02:25:30,960
 back we purchased that right away we're going to pay for the installation of

1663
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:34,920
 that water line that will help feed the rest of the town so there have been

1664
02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:39,000
 instances where we have stepped up financially and I'd like to just you

1665
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:43,360
 know with that in mind with the detention ponds it really has put a

1666
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:46,800
 strain on the budget I'd love to put in the brick-thin wall and adhere to your

1667
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:52,680
 request but it's just not feasible at this time Christian Perdetta you know I

1668
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:58,520
 understand the the costs and involved in everything and you know you obviously

1669
02:25:58,520 --> 02:26:02,200
 have investments to make and you have to try and make a good return on that

1670
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:08,600
 investment I I tend to side with Larry on this one and I tend to side with most

1671
02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:12,480
 the people in the room and I do have to admit that I live close to North Lakes

1672
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:18,880
 Park so we go on on lots of walks along there and you know they made some great

1673
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:23,000
 progress in terms of the park right now where they're letting natural grasses and

1674
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:27,520
 things grow and lateral flowers grow to bring in more butterflies to become

1675
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:33,800
 you because we are a monarch city along those lines I would prefer to see

1676
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:39,400
 something at least along the road where Windsor is that that seems to be more

1677
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:44,200
 ornate and in keeping with you know the drive that we have to beautify that area

1678
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:50,680
 and to make it significantly more more natural we do know that even well

1679
02:26:50,680 --> 02:26:55,920
 constructed wood fences start to look worn down after just a few years and as

1680
02:26:55,920 --> 02:27:01,160
 you know Commissioner Sanchez I think mentioned or not actually it was Larry

1681
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:05,560
 I think mentioned you know yes this would be a cost it would be born at the

1682
02:27:05,560 --> 02:27:10,960
 very beginning but I think you know homeowners would understand particularly

1683
02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:14,200
 if they were paying into an HOA that this is a cost that they'll wind up

1684
02:27:14,200 --> 02:27:18,400
 saving money on because they won't have you have to keep repairing fences every

1685
02:27:18,400 --> 02:27:24,600
 few years if we have something significantly more stable but I do back

1686
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:29,520
 Commissioner Beck's you know request to find something that's more in keeping

1687
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:35,600
 with the aesthetic along North Lakes Park it's it's you know it's a park that a

1688
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:41,040
 lot of people go to walk along we have our trails there and you know quite

1689
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:46,560
 frankly I miss the grass field but anyway I'm so toss that out there yeah I

1690
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:50,760
 will say to you to just comment on you're talking about the aesthetics we

1691
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:57,680
 are adding over 300 trees to the site 150 of those are in that right way that

1692
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:02,900
 you just discussed there's not a there's not a tree on the property today that's

1693
02:28:02,900 --> 02:28:09,160
 how we purchased it when we're adding I think 329 trees you know out of our

1694
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:13,520
 pocket to make that that drive and that aesthetics more of what you're talking

1695
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:19,000
 about in line with you know the park atmosphere so there has been a dramatic

1696
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:27,760
 effort to to adhere to that park that park atmosphere that you're describing

1697
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:32,860
 so I have a quick question for you one I wholeheartedly agree with tree

1698
02:28:32,860 --> 02:28:36,840
 canopies if you look at satellite views over the decades and didn't all new tree

1699
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:42,640
 growth in the city has come from development so I 100% agree that just

1700
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:46,720
 looking at satellite imagery of canopy canopy grows where development happens

1701
02:28:46,720 --> 02:28:52,120
 by developers going into planting trees that are diverse and healthy and stable

1702
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:57,280
 so I appreciate that that that point I do have a question you initially before

1703
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:02,600
 all this state legislation came in or suggests that we move the brick from a

1704
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:06,800
 hundred percent to seventy percent is that correct yes obviously we can't do

1705
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:10,900
 anything about that right is it your intent and your develop your builders

1706
02:29:10,900 --> 02:29:16,720
 intent to not go under seventy percent brick is that going is the intent to

1707
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:20,440
 stay at that seventy percent I can commit to that yes absolutely so

1708
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:26,080
 obviously we can enforce that right so just as a citizen and as the chair of

1709
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:29,680
 this commission I would strongly encourage you to amend your HOA because

1710
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:33,480
 the HOA can protect that sure so if you were to put in the seventy percent brick

1711
02:29:33,480 --> 02:29:38,480
 requirement into the HOA then it's enforceable from the HOA perspective not

1712
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:45,560
 the cities sure and so if if you are committed to that I think everyone

1713
02:29:45,560 --> 02:29:49,840
 would appreciate at least that being codified in the HOA so future development

1714
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:55,440
 that areas is not a 50% break or a hundred percent siding so that's just a

1715
02:29:55,440 --> 02:29:59,840
 suggestion above anything else right right and I could absolutely commit to

1716
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:03,440
 doing that okay I don't see any other questions we have other people oh never

1717
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:09,240
 right cuz you're back thank you chair Julie this might be for you but mr.

1718
02:30:09,240 --> 02:30:15,160
 Guinness you'll hang on a second to you let me ask Julie a question we're

1719
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:20,120
 dealing with cost here if we consider masonry wall the trees he's putting in

1720
02:30:20,120 --> 02:30:25,200
 is that above and beyond what the city would require yes sir so he could remove

1721
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:32,280
 some of those trees and still meet city minimums with and would all sit in my

1722
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:36,400
 thinking here is that would help offset the cost of the masonry wall it's

1723
02:30:36,400 --> 02:30:40,640
 developing under the 2002 didn't development code which did not require

1724
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:49,840
 any street trees along arterials okay so I'd hate to see no trees there but you

1725
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:55,160
 said all right mr. McGinnis you say you put about 150 trees along the Windsor

1726
02:30:55,160 --> 02:31:01,160
 frontage that's right what at what cost do you know what that is I don't I don't

1727
02:31:01,160 --> 02:31:05,840
 know it's over a thousand caliber inches in all the builder will put in all the

1728
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:10,320
 trees on the interior as they develop out the property but at 20 feet at

1729
02:31:10,320 --> 02:31:15,800
 roughly we're talking about 3,000 feet so we're you know we're right at 150

1730
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:23,520
 trees along Hinkle and Windsor so say we cut that in half though with that

1731
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:29,000
 suitor budget a little bit at least if we put that masonry I'm trying to work

1732
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:33,720
 with you and unfortunately unfortunately not we had we had this

1733
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:38,040
 discussion as we did you this negotiation and I will tell you this was

1734
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:43,040
 not a one-time sit-down between myself and staff this is a negotiation that

1735
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:47,640
 went on for several months back and forth on how to accommodate the concerns

1736
02:31:47,640 --> 02:31:55,600
 of the of the adjacent communities as well as the city and this is kind of how

1737
02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:59,880
 we got to this point so it was a step by step by step process we push the

1738
02:31:59,880 --> 02:32:03,200
 envelope push the envelope push the envelope and that's where we are to

1739
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:07,080
 trust me I appreciate everything you've done I don't mean any disrespect it's

1740
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:10,960
 just that this is something I'd like to see and if it can't be done it can't be

1741
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:17,320
 done but I do recognize that you guys have done an awful lot in addition to

1742
02:32:17,320 --> 02:32:22,960
 what we expected first time around so thank you for that sure I appreciate it

1743
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:26,720
 I do have a couple extra cards that we'll get to and then we have questions

1744
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:30,280
 we'll call you back out thank you mr. McGinnis the first card or second card I

1745
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:38,000
 have for this evening is Rebecca Dick Stein and if you could state your name

1746
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:43,160
 and address for the record you have four minutes I will be quick my name is

1747
02:32:43,160 --> 02:32:49,880
 Rebecca Dick Stein I live at 2224 North Lake Trail Denton Texas 76201 I'm

1748
02:32:49,880 --> 02:32:55,240
 actually not in the zone where we live is not in the zone where we get the

1749
02:32:55,240 --> 02:33:00,480
 notifications about this development but we're real close and I use the park at

1750
02:33:00,480 --> 02:33:13,280
 least weekly sometimes daily and I want to reiterate I very much feel like you

1751
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:18,480
 know cedar wood fencing breaks down very quickly but I'm also here to bring up

1752
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:23,580
 another issue that I think is really important until I came here I did not

1753
02:33:23,580 --> 02:33:28,960
 know it was over 200 houses because I don't get the notifications although

1754
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:35,040
 I've been to some of the neighborhood meetings where I enter the park is

1755
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:43,520
 Parkside Drive and Windsor and that is in between two stop signs I have already

1756
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:51,440
 put this request into Julie and writing we need a three-way stop sign at

1757
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:58,040
 Parkside and Windsor in addition the three-way stop sign at Hinkle and

1758
02:33:58,040 --> 02:34:05,640
 Windsor is great but with now this egress on Windsor Drive we're gonna have

1759
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:10,760
 a lot more traffic there it's already people are speeding down that road and

1760
02:34:10,760 --> 02:34:15,920
 it's only a matter of time before somebody gets hurt thank you thank you

1761
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:25,120
 point of clarification it's a hundred and seven homes Craig understood not

1762
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,160
 questioning that I just want to make sure I knew the number right because I

1763
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:36,440
 was starting to question myself the next card I have is Kirk Pierce and again if

1764
02:34:36,440 --> 02:34:38,920
 you just state your name and now just for the record you got four minutes to

1765
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:43,480
 speak I'm Kirk Pierce I live at 500 mimosa I did not get a notification

1766
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:48,120
 either my first of all thank you miss Wyatt for bringing in the stop signs

1767
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:54,160
 everybody does appreciate that immensely but in regards of traffic that's the one

1768
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:59,120
 thing I haven't heard and I'm still trying to understand what is going to

1769
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:04,040
 happen to mimosa drive from that increase because there's it's pretty

1770
02:35:04,040 --> 02:35:07,960
 much a thoroughfare and there is there gonna be any slowdowns and I know that I

1771
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:12,600
 believe and you can correct me miss Wyatt is we did do a traffic study or

1772
02:35:12,600 --> 02:35:19,400
 something like that or did we not you can correct me what's that you did it I

1773
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:26,160
 guess you did a traffic study on one day so if we if we get for the audience is

1774
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:32,200
 keep it that's okay so my question is what we've all talking about the housing

1775
02:35:32,200 --> 02:35:36,120
 but what is how are we solving the increased traffic on the most drive

1776
02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:39,320
 because that's the entrance so that it's more of a question that's what I'm

1777
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:46,080
 asking for appreciate to be in here Christopher data actually my my statement

1778
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:50,240
 was going to be to the previous speaker about requesting the the stop sign on

1779
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:54,280
 arm Parkside and Windsor that that's actually out of our purview but I would

1780
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:59,760
 recommend you know submitting a request to staff to look into that

1781
02:36:06,120 --> 02:36:20,840
 okay and it's mr. Pierce's question the the the traffic that was studied was for

1782
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:25,760
 the initial zoning and overlay because we're not changing the density that the

1783
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:29,160
 houses that are already been plotted and are under construction they're happening

1784
02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:32,280
 we're not changing any of that this evening so under the purview of this

1785
02:36:32,280 --> 02:36:35,640
 evening we haven't looked at the traffic impact on any of the streets that was

1786
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:40,380
 looked at on a previous vote so we're simply looking at landscape fencing and

1787
02:36:40,380 --> 02:36:44,720
 then the setback so that's kind of what we're focused on this evening but

1788
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:49,840
 certainly I understand your point and and it's what's well taken the next card

1789
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:57,280
 I have is for Barbara Lightfoot and if you just take your name and address for

1790
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:08,000
 the record four minutes Barbara Lightfoot I live at 422 mimosa and I was involved

1791
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:13,720
 in the earlier stages whenever this development was for senior living we had

1792
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:18,360
 the alignment still didn't know if it was going to go for the exit from the

1793
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:25,240
 development into Magnolia probably not North North Ridge but Magnolia or

1794
02:37:25,240 --> 02:37:31,320
 mimosa it ended up being mimosa or Headley either way I live on mimosa I too

1795
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:35,040
 agree that there should be an additional study and I wanted to state that as

1796
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:40,520
 well for how many additional cars are going to be going for all of the

1797
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:45,440
 distance from where you enter on Hinkle until you get down to Carroll there are

1798
02:37:45,440 --> 02:37:52,480
 no stop signs for mimosa so that's an issue the other with the raw down fence

1799
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:57,800
 there is a really good example of one that has been maintained at the

1800
02:37:57,800 --> 02:38:05,360
 apartment complex that is north of locust north of Windsor on locust

1801
02:38:05,360 --> 02:38:12,360
 wrought-iron fence shrubbery on the inside it's maintained it looks good

1802
02:38:12,360 --> 02:38:19,240
 there is a buffer between people driving up and down the North Locust before you

1803
02:38:19,240 --> 02:38:25,880
 get on to 288 and I think that's the appearance is better we have a lot of

1804
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:32,900
 chain-link fences open fencing in our neighborhood and that's the appearance I

1805
02:38:32,900 --> 02:38:39,640
 think that would be important as well as that appearance upon driving down Windsor

1806
02:38:39,640 --> 02:38:43,760
 so that you can actually see the park and you're not looking on the other side

1807
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:52,720
 to just a wooden fence my other concern is the enforcement of the detention ponds

1808
02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:57,760
 or retention ponds whatever they're called as well as any other maintenance

1809
02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:02,480
 issues for the development with the HOA that needs to be stressed those are very

1810
02:39:02,480 --> 02:39:08,760
 I'm very concerned about access so close to the road for those ponds especially

1811
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:13,280
 the ones that are the one that is right off Hinkle it is full every time it

1812
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:18,800
 rains I know the feeling my backyard gets that way as well it doesn't drain

1813
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:22,720
 well in the whole neighborhood and so I'm very concerned about that so the

1814
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:30,360
 setback could be impacting some of the homes that are along Hinkle once they're

1815
02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:35,680
 constructed and there is a problem with that pond and drainage and that's all I

1816
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:43,960
 have thank you thank you mr. Beck miss like question for you you and a couple

1817
02:39:43,960 --> 02:39:50,440
 other people from your community keep mentioning the wrought-iron fence and

1818
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:54,280
 again I'd like to see that too and it would have worked well and we had the

1819
02:39:54,280 --> 02:39:58,840
 development remain the same but I personally have a problem of houses now

1820
02:39:58,840 --> 02:40:03,640
 that are going to back up to Windsor and that privacy is lost and that's why I'm

1821
02:40:03,640 --> 02:40:09,520
 kind of pushing for a masonry fence to you know keep some elegance there and at

1822
02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:15,500
 the same time for the privacy these people would expect I'm just curious do

1823
02:40:15,500 --> 02:40:22,240
 you have a problem with us I have I have masonry on the front of my home part of

1824
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:26,680
 the fence is masonry the rest is chain link with my neighbor who just left I

1825
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:31,680
 think a few months ago so okay so if we could get an amendment to this that pass

1826
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:36,640
 with the masonry fence at least along Windsor that you'd be okay with it what

1827
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:40,880
 would be the fence then along Hinkle well because that's where the neighborhood

1828
02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:48,640
 is yeah well the main reason I'm arguing for Windsor and I don't disagree with

1829
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:55,840
 what you're saying it's it's it's it's easier to argue for a masonry fence along

1830
02:40:55,840 --> 02:41:01,440
 what's considered a secondary arterial which is a high traffic area the reason

1831
02:41:01,440 --> 02:41:07,280
 being is so many people pass by there they're going to see that and as opposed

1832
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:10,680
 to the connector Street to think Liz not that there isn't a lot of traffic that

1833
02:41:10,680 --> 02:41:17,700
 doesn't go up and down there it's a busy connector Street but what I'm doing what

1834
02:41:17,700 --> 02:41:22,680
 I'm going to try to do is going to impose a cost to the developer which

1835
02:41:22,680 --> 02:41:26,300
 actually he can pass on to the individual homeowners that will get

1836
02:41:26,300 --> 02:41:29,400
 assimilated in price which I don't think is going to be that much and will be a

1837
02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:35,720
 volume to them down the road asking for it on Hinkle is probably pushing the

1838
02:41:35,720 --> 02:41:41,740
 envelope okay so my question is on Hinkle or on Windsor wherever the wooden

1839
02:41:41,740 --> 02:41:46,860
 fences is that attached to the responsibility of the individual

1840
02:41:46,860 --> 02:41:53,080
 homeowner if you after the recent winds when you drive down loop 288 towards

1841
02:41:53,080 --> 02:41:58,580
 Collins arena whatever it's called all of the fences along there which were

1842
02:41:58,580 --> 02:42:03,360
 backyard fences were blown over by a recent gust of wind and that's a

1843
02:42:03,360 --> 02:42:08,000
 legitimate concern and again wood fences I think we all agree they don't last as

1844
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:14,960
 long but as was mentioned the Homeowner Association will be responsible for that

1845
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:21,560
 the city will enforce that provided that somebody submits a request to have it

1846
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:27,840
 done but that's something yeah if it is codified within the HOA and the HOA must

1847
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:32,880
 maintain right right and that's that's effectiveness of an HOA that shouldn't

1848
02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:43,720
 be a problem right if that's part of it right great thank you thank you that's

1849
02:42:43,720 --> 02:42:47,520
 the only cards I have but I welcome any other speaker that wants to come from

1850
02:42:47,520 --> 02:43:03,320
 please sir I'll take it thank you

1851
02:43:03,320 --> 02:43:12,800
 my name is Jeff Pablo I went 2028 Ford and Blaine and Denton I already have

1852
02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:18,000
 concerns the construction that's going on never in my life have I seen drainage

1853
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:28,640
 pipe installed and taken out four times never in my life have I seen temporary

1854
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:35,920
 batch plants be shuttled back and forth has anyone from the city paid any

1855
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:43,760
 attention to what paving is currently happening on that property at the moment

1856
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:52,000
 is he using fibercrete fibercrete is garbage all you need to do is take a

1857
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:58,520
 ride around Denton County MHMR property that was entirely fibercrete it broke

1858
02:43:58,520 --> 02:44:07,000
 apart in less than one year especially without reinforcement there are too many

1859
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:14,840
 other things the already brought up was the retention pond at the southeast

1860
02:44:14,840 --> 02:44:20,960
 corner I have seen that thing overflowing into the adjacent property

1861
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:27,680
 numerous times already it proves to me that he doesn't know how to build a

1862
02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:33,040
 retention bond he doesn't know who to get there are just too many things along

1863
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:39,240
 this line what are the widths of the streets are the streets going to be wide

1864
02:44:39,240 --> 02:44:46,320
 enough so that once everything is developed and people have landscapers in

1865
02:44:46,320 --> 02:44:52,680
 place doing work and an emergency vehicle needs to come down through there

1866
02:44:52,680 --> 02:45:01,680
 is there going to be room from what I have seen not so far can consult the NFPA

1867
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:07,200
 ask the fire department what the requirements are for emergency vehicle

1868
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:13,400
 access right now I'm not seeing that any accommodation for emergency vehicles is

1869
02:45:13,400 --> 02:45:20,960
 showing up in this development just room for thought thank you I appreciate

1870
02:45:20,960 --> 02:45:25,120
 being here and we can confirm that city compliance and ordinances are being

1871
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:27,520
 followed

1872
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:36,040
 engineering plans were approved as part of their final plat in 2018 so it met

1873
02:45:36,040 --> 02:45:42,400
 all city standards and that includes fire access street wits fire access

1874
02:45:42,400 --> 02:45:49,440
 details as far as pavement thickness and the requirements okay thank you Julie

1875
02:45:49,440 --> 02:45:55,240
 this is a public hearing anyone else wishing to speak you can typically we

1876
02:45:55,240 --> 02:46:01,800
 would just allow one time but when you're talking about at our community

1877
02:46:01,800 --> 02:46:05,160
 meeting he informed us that he would be putting up wrought iron around the

1878
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:09,720
 retention ponds so if the wrought irons already going up around that area I would

1879
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:15,480
 urge you to please make him continue the wrought iron at least along Hinkle what's

1880
02:46:15,480 --> 02:46:17,700
 good for the goose is good for the gander if you're gonna make him put up

1881
02:46:17,700 --> 02:46:20,400
 masonry make him do it around the whole development or make him do the wrought

1882
02:46:20,400 --> 02:46:24,240
 iron around the whole development and let the neighborhood or the neighbors

1883
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:28,240
 use like 14 years or something fast-growing to partition their backyard

1884
02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:34,640
 from the street traffic and beautify thank you if you're just speaking we

1885
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:37,560
 certainly come down to the mic

1886
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:47,600
 if you just state your name and address you have four minutes I'm Shirley Brown

1887
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:55,600
 I live at 2304 Vanderbilt Court and I agree with you that I walk my dogs daily

1888
02:46:55,600 --> 02:47:03,320
 from through Bowling Green Park which also have a garden thank the city I want

1889
02:47:03,320 --> 02:47:07,800
 to speak to the width I would like it kept at 50 foot it's just because

1890
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:13,820
 there's the other part that's very wide I think putting it at 40 is just going to

1891
02:47:13,820 --> 02:47:20,160
 break it up I I would like it kept at 50 some they're all talking about the fences

1892
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:27,480
 and I know it's I don't like it either we also have so much construction going

1893
02:47:27,480 --> 02:47:35,160
 on in our area Rainy Road behind us Denton High School coming to Bonnie Bray

1894
02:47:35,160 --> 02:47:41,640
 Windsor is a racetrack it really is I had every once in a while I will have

1895
02:47:41,640 --> 02:47:47,400
 some nice person stop and let me and the two dogs run across the across the

1896
02:47:47,400 --> 02:47:52,600
 street but the Denton parks are awesome they do a great job I love living in

1897
02:47:52,600 --> 02:47:59,200
 that area we're an old neighborhood although I only came back in 2000 so

1898
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:05,080
 anyway I would like to see a little less construction thank you thank you

1899
02:48:05,080 --> 02:48:12,280
 anyone else wish to speak I certainly do so state your name and address for the

1900
02:48:12,280 --> 02:48:21,640
 record I did receive the notification I just didn't quite hear what you said

1901
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:26,440
 earlier about the overlays do you say they're going away September 1st

1902
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:32,320
 okay Charles thank you chair they're not going away they're not enforceable with

1903
02:48:32,320 --> 02:48:37,000
 the new state legislation it's what we learned beginning September 1st so

1904
02:48:37,000 --> 02:48:41,920
 though there's an overlay in place that speaks to masonry we were informed today

1905
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:47,280
 that the city could not enforce that and longer just be more clear that's for

1906
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:51,240
 building materials only correct any other overlay standard would still be

1907
02:48:51,240 --> 02:48:56,800
 there correct I was confused the only time I hear overlays brought up is when

1908
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:02,200
 they are being disrespected and I don't know why they exist just to pacify us I

1909
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:06,960
 guess and they're just turned over and I don't like the fence or the setback

1910
02:49:06,960 --> 02:49:10,360
 amount I think it should be respected because that's why it's there thank you

1911
02:49:10,360 --> 02:49:17,160
 very much anyone else wants to speak they certainly do so

1912
02:49:17,160 --> 02:49:24,480
 seeing that I'll close the public hearing turns the days for discussion or

1913
02:49:24,480 --> 02:49:36,000
 motion Christian Beck thank you chair I want to move to approve the agenda item

1914
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:46,200
 with an amendment to the fence on Windsor recommending that a masonry wall

1915
02:49:46,200 --> 02:49:55,320
 run along Windsor instead of the wood fence in so doing I would like to

1916
02:49:55,320 --> 02:50:02,040
 comment you know I understand that you'd love to have the masonry fence along

1917
02:50:02,040 --> 02:50:10,160
 Hinkle - and the feeling that the privacy loss of those people it's really up to

1918
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:14,160
 them to put things in and do if they will if they do they don't you know you

1919
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:19,640
 could have people in those houses that don't keep their backyards up nice and

1920
02:50:19,640 --> 02:50:23,760
 then you would have a distracted visual there so that's that's a possibility too

1921
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:30,000
 that's why it's important probably to have a privacy fence it's easier for me

1922
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:34,960
 to ask for one on a secondary arterial like Windsor than it is on a connector

1923
02:50:34,960 --> 02:50:40,820
 street like Hinkle but so anyway my motion is to approve allowing the

1924
02:50:40,820 --> 02:50:49,480
 setbacks but with replacing the wrought iron fence on Windsor with a masonry

1925
02:50:49,480 --> 02:50:58,000
 fence allowing the board on board cedar fence on Hinkle so we have a first if I

1926
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:02,240
 understand this correctly out of the four conditions you were just making a

1927
02:51:02,240 --> 02:51:08,640
 change to one to require a mason fence on the Windsor section of the property

1928
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:12,800
 perimeter correct okay I don't know if the screens are working I don't see a

1929
02:51:12,800 --> 02:51:17,320
 second but I can by a show of hands is there a second

1930
02:51:17,320 --> 02:51:23,960
 seeing none the motion fails Commissioner Smith did you have yeah you

1931
02:51:23,960 --> 02:51:36,120
 were on the board and I had a question for for staff Julie so let's say that we

1932
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:41,240
 don't we don't vote to approve to change the overlay stays the same wrought iron

1933
02:51:41,240 --> 02:51:47,000
 fencing is what the developer can put up instead the wrought iron fencing what

1934
02:51:47,000 --> 02:51:52,120
 prevents a person who buys a home in the neighborhood what prevents them from

1935
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:55,280
 tearing that wrought iron fencing down and building a privacy fence around

1936
02:51:55,280 --> 02:51:59,040
 their property or not tearing it down but building a privacy fence behind it

1937
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:02,520
 if they're if they don't want people seeing back in their backyard and their

1938
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:05,600
 backyard faces Windsor they don't want people walking by be able to see back

1939
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:08,760
 there what prevents the private property owner from putting up a privacy fence

1940
02:52:08,760 --> 02:52:12,040
 it's my understanding there would be nothing preventing them so there could

1941
02:52:12,040 --> 02:52:15,880
 be a scenario in which we had we would have a privacy fence on one lot and the

1942
02:52:15,880 --> 02:52:19,480
 next door is another wrought iron fence then another privacy fence in the next

1943
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:22,760
 lot essentially we could end up with private property owners making the

1944
02:52:22,760 --> 02:52:26,440
 decisions rather than having uniformity along the line correct of the street of

1945
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:32,680
 Windsor okay thank you Commissioner Sanchez Julie how familiar are you with

1946
02:52:32,680 --> 02:52:40,920
 HOA's they're pretty restrictive when it comes to what they read once some is

1947
02:52:40,920 --> 02:52:46,120
 built it's gonna stay that way is that correct they don't they don't pretty

1948
02:52:46,120 --> 02:52:52,000
 much want everything to be look alike I would imagine it depends on how that

1949
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:56,880
 HOA structure HOA's works okay I would think it would depend on an each

1950
02:52:56,880 --> 02:53:02,240
 individual HOA how their how their rules are set forth all right I know they're

1951
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:06,280
 pretty the ones I've been familiar with are pretty restrictive you can't plant a

1952
02:53:06,280 --> 02:53:10,840
 tree unless you get permission from HOA you can't do certain things so it would

1953
02:53:10,840 --> 02:53:17,200
 be hard for me to see everybody doing a different yeah you know putting different

1954
02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:25,440
 items or material in the backyard along Hinkle and even Windsor I would I'm just

1955
02:53:25,440 --> 02:53:37,240
 wondering are you familiar can I speak to the developer following along this

1956
02:53:37,240 --> 02:53:44,800
 this question on a choice if it's gonna be an HOA right yes okay is I my

1957
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:49,160
 understanding or my experience with a choice they're pretty strict they don't

1958
02:53:49,160 --> 02:53:53,440
 allow you to do on the backyard nobody would be able to do whatever they

1959
02:53:53,440 --> 02:54:00,600
 wanted as a fence along Hinkle and there's no there's no there's not a

1960
02:54:00,600 --> 02:54:05,440
 current restrictive covenant in the HOA that would prevent that and that was I'm

1961
02:54:05,440 --> 02:54:09,600
 glad that was brought up because that was one of the other main reasons for the

1962
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:14,880
 opaque fence and not having the transparent fence okay there would not

1963
02:54:14,880 --> 02:54:24,240
 be any way to prevent that unfortunately all right just for that and my question

1964
02:54:24,240 --> 02:54:28,120
 to be along the lines of what Commissioner Sanchez was saying so based

1965
02:54:28,120 --> 02:54:35,240
 on what we're talking about right now in theory if we voted against the the

1966
02:54:35,240 --> 02:54:40,680
 changes we would end up with a with a wrought iron fence as it normally would

1967
02:54:40,680 --> 02:54:45,520
 be in theory people purchasing their houses could put up a privacy fence

1968
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:51,680
 along the back line and along the back and as we don't have HOA guidelines right

1969
02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:55,440
 now we can't say that there's anything that would be restricting people from

1970
02:54:55,440 --> 02:55:03,080
 doing that from from adding on a privacy fence in the future right so I guess so

1971
02:55:03,080 --> 02:55:08,280
 the question on your part was whether or not you believed that it would be

1972
02:55:08,280 --> 02:55:15,320
 restrictive to allow people to add a privacy fence at a future time or well my

1973
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:21,280
 understanding of an HOA once the houses get developed the HOA is developed okay

1974
02:55:21,280 --> 02:55:25,520
 and they set up their guidelines with that neighborhood all right now you move

1975
02:55:25,520 --> 02:55:30,200
 into that neighborhood and you decide hey I don't like people looking through

1976
02:55:30,200 --> 02:55:33,880
 my backyard I want to do something different the HOA has already been

1977
02:55:33,880 --> 02:55:38,520
 established and they have their rules and you're not going to be able to change

1978
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:41,920
 do what you want because they already have their rules now if they say you can

1979
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:50,480
 do whatever you want along Hinkle or along Windsor along that fence you can

1980
02:55:50,480 --> 02:55:54,120
 do whatever you want but the the rules are usually established before the

1981
02:55:54,120 --> 02:55:57,640
 houses are sold so neighbors don't move in there and start doing whatever they

1982
02:55:57,640 --> 02:56:02,560
 want okay when you buy that house you belong to an HOA and that each of those

1983
02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:09,040
 guidelines are set okay and I understand that I guess and I guess this would be

1984
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:12,840
 something that the developer would have to explore in terms of whether or not

1985
02:56:12,840 --> 02:56:17,360
 people would make those purchases with with this in mind I would imagine that

1986
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:24,720
 people purchasing a house with a back fence facing Hinkle or Windsor would

1987
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:28,840
 eventually would actually want a privacy fence and that would be and you know

1988
02:56:28,840 --> 02:56:33,640
 value added on thing at the time of the purchase so most likely I wouldn't

1989
02:56:33,640 --> 02:56:37,000
 imagine that that would be restrictive in terms of us saying let's let's vote

1990
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:41,280
 for the wrought iron fence knowing that this is something that could possibly be

1991
02:56:41,280 --> 02:56:47,440
 added on at a future time so thanks I just wanted to clarify where we're going

1992
02:56:47,440 --> 02:56:56,160
 on on that one Christian Smith nature I'm gonna make a motion to approve with

1993
02:56:56,160 --> 02:57:02,280
 staff recommendations as they sat the presentation I actually would have liked

1994
02:57:02,280 --> 02:57:08,180
 to see this be a masonry wall all the way around I don't know if I feel

1995
02:57:08,180 --> 02:57:13,680
 comfortable whenever we include Hinkle and Windsor in that making the the

1996
02:57:13,680 --> 02:57:16,280
 developer have to eat that cost even though they could pass it along in the

1997
02:57:16,280 --> 02:57:21,600
 valley of the home but I can't can't sit here and say that I support leaving it

1998
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:25,720
 as is and then having the developer have to put a wrought iron knowing that then

1999
02:57:25,720 --> 02:57:30,480
 you would then have this inconsistency over time that private property owners

2000
02:57:30,480 --> 02:57:35,440
 will at some point in time not want to have people looking in their backyard

2001
02:57:35,440 --> 02:57:39,280
 you can't you can't depict about what the what the character of the

2002
02:57:39,280 --> 02:57:43,440
 neighborhood is now and how people like it in that neighborhood but people

2003
02:57:43,440 --> 02:57:46,920
 moving into there they're bound to be somebody who's not gonna want it and

2004
02:57:46,920 --> 02:57:51,160
 we'll put up a privacy fence eventually and so the inconsistency is something

2005
02:57:51,160 --> 02:57:54,440
 that I'm just saying going down the line in the future that I'd like to take out

2006
02:57:54,440 --> 02:58:01,640
 of the equation so make a motion to approve. We have a motion to approve with

2007
02:58:01,640 --> 02:58:07,800
 staff recommendations. Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah I would like to second

2008
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:13,400
 that I also agree with you I think the people are gonna move in there they want

2009
02:58:13,400 --> 02:58:17,040
 it they're they're gonna want privacy in their backyard I know most people do in

2010
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:21,000
 most neighborhoods that where the backyard does face the street you see

2011
02:58:21,000 --> 02:58:26,920
 you see some type of wall because I think I just I agree with you in the

2012
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:32,840
 sense that people just don't want people looking in their backyard. So a first and

2013
02:58:32,840 --> 02:58:37,640
 a second any discussion? Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair I just want to make a

2014
02:58:37,640 --> 02:58:41,280
 couple comments thanks for sharing all your concerns and I understand the

2015
02:58:41,280 --> 02:58:45,280
 frustration with this property clearly when you look at the history of it back

2016
02:58:45,280 --> 02:58:50,960
 in 2002 I'm sure there was concern when the original zoning change was made from

2017
02:58:50,960 --> 02:58:55,440
 NR 2 to NR 3 and there was a great deal of overlay restrictions put on it I'm

2018
02:58:55,440 --> 02:59:01,400
 sure because of that concern however in 2015 most of those restrictions were

2019
02:59:01,400 --> 02:59:08,440
 removed some of the restrictions that remain right now honestly don't make

2020
02:59:08,440 --> 02:59:13,160
 sense for the way this is developed a wrought iron fence along Windsor Drive

2021
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:17,760
 is not what any homeowner wants right there Windsor Drive is only going to get

2022
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:22,080
 busier someone called it a thoroughfare now it will get widened it will have

2023
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:27,960
 more traffic on it a wrought iron fence and again with the concerns brought up

2024
02:59:27,960 --> 02:59:32,560
 that possibly homeowners putting up various other fencing to hide the fact

2025
02:59:32,560 --> 02:59:36,840
 that Windsor is behind them on a wrought iron fence just doesn't make sense so

2026
02:59:36,840 --> 02:59:45,320
 while I understand the frustration because of the past what we're left with

2027
02:59:45,320 --> 02:59:51,480
 right now to consider is we can't go back to 2002 unfortunately we can't go

2028
02:59:51,480 --> 02:59:55,920
 back to 2015 when those overlay restrictions were changed so what we're

2029
02:59:55,920 --> 03:00:01,920
 forced with what is the decision to that we have before us today which is the

2030
03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:09,040
 couple of conditions that is on the board now to vote on thank you Mr.

2031
03:00:09,040 --> 03:00:15,620
 Commissioner Beck thank you chair just want to make some comments to explain my

2032
03:00:15,620 --> 03:00:21,440
 vote considering everything I've said Commissioner Smith makes sense here as

2033
03:00:21,440 --> 03:00:27,520
 much as I'd like to see a masonry wall go up there one thing that's that is

2034
03:00:27,520 --> 03:00:31,360
 going to affect not only the people that live there but the people live around

2035
03:00:31,360 --> 03:00:36,120
 them is the fact that wrought iron fence would expose a lot of things and create

2036
03:00:36,120 --> 03:00:41,640
 conditions that might make it worse than they think I don't like seeing a wooden

2037
03:00:41,640 --> 03:00:49,280
 fence go up there I'm glad it is it's the value of the fences is a high value

2038
03:00:49,280 --> 03:00:55,680
 wood fence the cedar fence with the top rail board on board but down the road

2039
03:00:55,680 --> 03:00:59,360
 we're gonna have to deal with that and I hope it is dealt with with an efficient

2040
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:06,920
 HOA so I'll be voting along with Commissioner Smith's motion to approve

2041
03:01:06,920 --> 03:01:12,240
 thank you Mr. before we vote I just wanted to thank everyone for coming out

2042
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:19,360
 and speaking your thoughts and helping us contextualize I don't happen to live

2043
03:01:19,360 --> 03:01:21,880
 in the neighborhood so other Commissioners do and so just having a

2044
03:01:21,880 --> 03:01:26,880
 holistic viewpoint is helpful to kind of walk through this process we don't take

2045
03:01:26,880 --> 03:01:30,640
 any decisions up here lightly it's being on behalf the Commission for that and so

2046
03:01:30,640 --> 03:01:34,400
 I appreciate you'd spend in your Wednesday evening with us I'm gonna be

2047
03:01:34,400 --> 03:01:39,720
 in support of this and just for context Commissioner Beck there's a recent

2048
03:01:39,720 --> 03:01:43,560
 situation in the neighborhood where they had an HOA and a masonry fence along an

2049
03:01:43,560 --> 03:01:52,240
 arterial and the cost to repair the masonry fence was substantial enough

2050
03:01:52,240 --> 03:01:56,440
 that the residents and the HOA are now enrolled in a lawsuit about who pays for

2051
03:01:56,440 --> 03:02:00,420
 that and so I know you mentioned that a masonry fence provides a value long-term

2052
03:02:00,420 --> 03:02:04,360
 except when it goes really bad they're really expensive to fix a cedar board

2053
03:02:04,360 --> 03:02:09,960
 on board is a little bit more accessible to fix and so I would probably push back

2054
03:02:09,960 --> 03:02:13,720
 on you respectfully about the value of a masonry fence when that starts to break

2055
03:02:13,720 --> 03:02:17,840
 who pays for that and how that gets worked out I've seen personally through

2056
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:22,280
 family members to be a kind of a sticky situation to to go through and so I

2057
03:02:22,280 --> 03:02:26,600
 agree with Commissioner Ellis about the wrought iron I think a uniform privacy

2058
03:02:26,600 --> 03:02:31,040
 fence that's just like the properties to the West when I leave the tennis courts

2059
03:02:31,040 --> 03:02:34,480
 or the driving range and drive down Windsor right when you pass Parkside

2060
03:02:34,480 --> 03:02:38,120
 there's several homes that have the wooden fence and so I don't think it'll

2061
03:02:38,120 --> 03:02:42,760
 be a discrepancy to go for a wooden fence they have a patch of trees back to

2062
03:02:42,760 --> 03:02:46,960
 wooden fences the only thing that I would reiterate to the developer is is

2063
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:52,560
 to look at the HOA there's a lot of ability to standardize future

2064
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:57,440
 development and the current development to really make it a high standard someone

2065
03:02:57,440 --> 03:03:03,520
 mentioned quality of the product and I think having a a strong HOA can push

2066
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:09,960
 back on some of the potential commentary about what's going in in the

2067
03:03:09,960 --> 03:03:12,520
 neighborhood so I think it's a really unique opportunity you have especially

2068
03:03:12,520 --> 03:03:16,840
 with the state legislation to take control of the narrative that you want

2069
03:03:16,840 --> 03:03:20,440
 provides that neighborhood so I would encourage you to look at HOA and amend

2070
03:03:20,440 --> 03:03:24,980
 where needed with the building materials or other opportunities you have and with

2071
03:03:24,980 --> 03:03:30,300
 that I would strongly encourage you within the budget to buy and plant the

2072
03:03:30,300 --> 03:03:35,520
 biggest trees possible initially I know we talked about canopy at growth I just

2073
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:39,440
 think it'd be a benefit to the parks in Denton that when you're in North Lakes

2074
03:03:39,440 --> 03:03:42,920
 Park and running those trails or at the airfield and you look across and and you

2075
03:03:42,920 --> 03:03:46,640
 have big trees earlier and so we're not waiting a decade to get some good

2076
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:51,520
 coverage there and that that pathway so again those aren't conditions at all but

2077
03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:55,280
 rather just suggestions for the beautification of Denton and the quality

2078
03:03:55,280 --> 03:03:58,920
 of the development you're putting in but with that I don't see any other

2079
03:03:58,920 --> 03:04:02,760
 discussion so we'll call for a vote on the board

2080
03:04:02,760 --> 03:04:14,960
 motion carries six one congratulations that moves us to the last item of

2081
03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:21,080
 business item 6 P&Z matrix I will let Richard begin and open it up for

2082
03:04:21,080 --> 03:04:28,800
 additions or comments I don't have much to add on to the to the matrix this

2083
03:04:28,800 --> 03:04:33,480
 evening just wanted to highlight a couple items again that the upland

2084
03:04:33,480 --> 03:04:38,640
 habitat that will be coming coming forward when the criteria manual for the

2085
03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:42,680
 ESA is brought forth so that that is still going through through committee I

2086
03:04:42,680 --> 03:04:46,760
 did still leave on and if you've noticed it it will continue to stay on sort of

2087
03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:54,000
 the draft policies and procedures I think as we finalize the the ordinance is

2088
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:58,360
 related to these bills and in light of the item tonight regarding the

2089
03:04:58,360 --> 03:05:04,680
 attendance just coming back and looking at that in in in totality we did hit the

2090
03:05:04,680 --> 03:05:09,720
 the urban forestry master plan tree fund finally I think I think Gary did a great

2091
03:05:09,720 --> 03:05:14,040
 job sort of going through all the items that they're they're working on and then

2092
03:05:14,040 --> 03:05:18,040
 the staff analysis update I initially was anticipating bringing that actually

2093
03:05:18,040 --> 03:05:25,400
 today as we finalize the ordinances that will be brought forth next week after

2094
03:05:25,400 --> 03:05:30,320
 that you'll see it sort of in all in one so rather than give it to you piece bill

2095
03:05:30,320 --> 03:05:34,200
 you can kind of see how it all how it all fits together but but really it's

2096
03:05:34,200 --> 03:05:43,080
 just simplifying how we how we create our our staff analysis primarily for for

2097
03:05:43,080 --> 03:05:48,760
 plats so I think you'll see a much more one robust but but a little more a

2098
03:05:48,760 --> 03:05:53,600
 little more detail in just what we are what we are looking at inciting for

2099
03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:58,500
 those plat reports that was all ahead thanks for the update Mr. Smith thank

2100
03:05:58,500 --> 03:06:02,340
 you I think we talked a little about today dear to work session but I think

2101
03:06:02,340 --> 03:06:06,660
 as soon as legal and city gets a chance to really look over those those house

2102
03:06:06,660 --> 03:06:11,960
 bills getting up getting a really fully fledged good work session report just

2103
03:06:11,960 --> 03:06:16,380
 on what that is how it's gonna impact us what you know we want to keep on having

2104
03:06:16,380 --> 03:06:20,240
 to ask every single time we get a presentation of Kim can we can we vote

2105
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:24,320
 on this can we enforce this anymore what kind of things change and specifically

2106
03:06:24,320 --> 03:06:26,760
 the reason I wanted to speak up because I'm sure that the city was good we were

2107
03:06:26,760 --> 03:06:30,760
 gonna go ahead and do that anyways but I would like to see some specific examples

2108
03:06:30,760 --> 03:06:37,400
 if Jerry or planning department can come back and say remember this case you guys

2109
03:06:37,400 --> 03:06:41,200
 voted this way and we did it this way with this stack recommendation this is

2110
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:46,320
 no longer allowed okay thank you we need just saying the law and and and

2111
03:06:46,320 --> 03:06:50,680
 expounding upon the law is great and all but the Jerry you're a smart guy I'm not

2112
03:06:50,680 --> 03:06:55,160
 so I need you to do it give it to me in the picture book form okay well I need

2113
03:06:55,160 --> 03:07:01,040
 appreciate it Cynthia's even smarter if she's ever joining us she have their

2114
03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:04,920
 license gets down here apparently that mail that mail route from from Minnesota

2115
03:07:04,920 --> 03:07:12,680
 to here is pretty long commissioner Ellis thank you chair I'd like to thank all my

2116
03:07:12,680 --> 03:07:17,360
 fellow commissioners for reconsidering my absence requests so thank you very much

2117
03:07:17,360 --> 03:07:23,920
 for your support in that I definitely would like to discuss that policy as we

2118
03:07:23,920 --> 03:07:27,520
 sent that back before and bring that back before us so we can have some

2119
03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:31,320
 further discussion and how that is poorly written and what needs to happen

2120
03:07:31,320 --> 03:07:36,360
 there so thank you for that also Richard is there any city council updates that

2121
03:07:36,360 --> 03:07:41,680
 we need to know with regard to any recent votes there there was the my

2122
03:07:41,680 --> 03:07:46,200
 apologies because I did take a little vacation so I missed the last council

2123
03:07:46,200 --> 03:07:53,320
 meeting but they did approve the on the 23rd the group two amendments map

2124
03:07:53,320 --> 03:07:58,440
 amendments with the exception of I believe it was area 40 that was a

2125
03:07:58,440 --> 03:08:02,360
 request if you recall I believe that was around loop 288 the property owner I

2126
03:08:02,360 --> 03:08:10,320
 believe did not want that rezoning and I also believe the the item that that the

2127
03:08:10,320 --> 03:08:14,400
 Commission recommended denial of them I believe that also was was not approved

2128
03:08:14,400 --> 03:08:19,120
 by by City Council I will confirm that but I do believe those two were not

2129
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:26,220
 brought forward Mr. Prunetta and kind of building on what Commissioner Smith said

2130
03:08:26,220 --> 03:08:30,360
 a second ago with the discussion on the the various house bills and particularly

2131
03:08:30,360 --> 03:08:35,200
 how they hobble what we traditionally are allowed to review and discuss with

2132
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:39,360
 you know the public I just wanted to make sure that when you know we're kind

2133
03:08:39,360 --> 03:08:43,040
 of putting those things together and the impact it's going to have that you know

2134
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:47,800
 we provide in some way information to disseminate at you know public meetings

2135
03:08:47,800 --> 03:08:51,080
 you know neighborhood meetings on you know future developments coming up so

2136
03:08:51,080 --> 03:08:54,560
 that way you know neighbors people who are concerned about things going up in

2137
03:08:54,560 --> 03:08:59,120
 in you know areas close to them kind of understand that there are restrictions

2138
03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:03,960
 that we have going forward and that they know what the restrictions the city has

2139
03:09:03,960 --> 03:09:08,200
 going forward in terms of you know the things they can oppose the things they

2140
03:09:08,200 --> 03:09:14,440
 can ask for and what's being put in there you know the home is close to them

2141
03:09:14,440 --> 03:09:19,240
 certainly it might even be we can probably put together a even just a

2142
03:09:19,240 --> 03:09:24,600
 simple like FAQ or simple what what can and what can't we do as a as a community

2143
03:09:24,600 --> 03:09:32,840
 yeah Richard I only have one thing I know that does it wasn't pertinent to any

2144
03:09:32,840 --> 03:09:39,640
 of the discussion items today but we we started implementing financial economic

2145
03:09:39,640 --> 03:09:44,200
 consequences and benefits to projects and again it wasn't pertinent tonight and

2146
03:09:44,200 --> 03:09:48,120
 I do realize that there's a former chair of P&Z that would probably prefer to

2147
03:09:48,120 --> 03:09:52,680
 know like every cost developer made to get to that point I don't know if that

2148
03:09:52,680 --> 03:09:55,880
 context is needed but if there's situations where developers doing a

2149
03:09:55,880 --> 03:09:59,160
 quid pro quo with the city that is helpful to know because there is a

2150
03:09:59,160 --> 03:10:05,080
 developer tonight who bought right away and rerouted a city line that type of

2151
03:10:05,080 --> 03:10:11,320
 stuff if there if a developer is helping our city there's a project over by Bill

2152
03:10:11,320 --> 03:10:16,360
 letter forward south of town where they were also helping connectivity if it's

2153
03:10:16,360 --> 03:10:20,520
 possible to include that in the assessment just to understand the

2154
03:10:20,520 --> 03:10:25,720
 willingness of that negotiation that goes on that would be helpful if if it's

2155
03:10:25,720 --> 03:10:34,920
 applicable any other items for the matrix or questions seeing none I'll call this

2156
03:10:34,920 --> 03:10:39,640
 meeting to close at 821