WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:24.580 The first item on the agenda is TSC 19-035, which is to consider the approval of the Traffic 00:00:24.580 --> 00:00:28.160 Safety Commission meetings of July 1, 2019. 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:35.640 Now, has everyone had a chance to take a look at the minutes, and are there any additions/subtractions? 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:37.920 Okay. 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:42.640 Do we have a motion for approval? 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:44.040 And we have a second. 00:00:44.040 --> 00:00:45.960 Everyone in favor of right hand up? 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:46.960 Aye. 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:47.960 Okay. 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:49.440 Those pass. 00:00:49.440 --> 00:00:53.880 And that brings us to item one -- whoops. 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:55.240 They're not lettered. 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:56.240 Okay. 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:05.600 Item one A, one B, TSC 19-036, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding 00:01:05.600 --> 00:01:11.040 Article III of the City Code, which governs boards, commissions, and committees, and vote 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:20.000 on the Absence Report Code for Dan Krutka for the July 1, 2019 meeting date. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.840 So has everyone had a chance to take a look at this? 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:33.680 And effectively, we have to vote on whether Dan gets himself an excused or an unexcused 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:34.680 absence. 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:35.680 It's very exciting. 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:40.680 Big-time flashbacks to high school right now. 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:41.680 I know. 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:42.680 Here you are. 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:43.680 Here you are. 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:44.680 Yeah. 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.160 You know, full disclosure, of course, we talked about your last time. 00:01:48.160 --> 00:01:54.400 And also full disclosure, the issues of, you know, keeping attendance and things at these 00:01:54.400 --> 00:02:00.800 meetings has not been -- it's been on the books, but it hasn't been something that we've 00:02:00.800 --> 00:02:03.880 necessarily, you know, paid a lot of attention to. 00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:08.840 But we have, you know, are beginning to pay attention to them. 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.840 So there you are. 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.920 Coincidentally when you leave. 00:02:13.920 --> 00:02:14.920 Yes. 00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:15.920 Yes. 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:22.920 And so, you know, in the backup, there is an, you know, explanation of what is excused, 00:02:22.920 --> 00:02:26.800 what is unexcused. 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:27.800 And there you go. 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:28.800 So what do you all think? 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:29.800 Are we going to excuse Dan for July 1, 2019? 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:30.800 That's a good question. 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:31.800 Yes. 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:32.800 You can have the floor. 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:33.800 Well, I read the minutes for everything. 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:49.800 And so I think this is a good policy, I think it's good for us to keep track and know who's 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:51.000 attending, because that's important. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.560 We can't have a quorum without attendance. 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:58.920 And I'm guessing this is simply on the honesty principle, right? 00:02:58.920 --> 00:03:03.640 Like you, if I said I was at doctor's appointments the last two months. 00:03:03.640 --> 00:03:07.280 We would accept it as is. 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:11.800 So I kind of, the one thing I was kind of thinking about with this policy is, and it 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:16.380 may not matter, because this may be the way it's written, but does it really matter at 00:03:16.380 --> 00:03:18.560 some point whether they're excused or unexcused, right? 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.740 Even if like you had a medical illness and were gone and you were continually missing 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:26.720 meetings at some point, it's probably time to like, you know, to resign your position 00:03:26.720 --> 00:03:27.720 and have someone else come on. 00:03:27.720 --> 00:03:28.720 So whatever the reason. 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:30.960 So I'm kind of curious about that. 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:37.760 My July app, since I'm happy to have it unexcused by the policy, because it was just for travel. 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:42.760 But the bigger picture I think would be, it doesn't matter how often we're at the meetings 00:03:42.760 --> 00:03:44.600 for these to be functional. 00:03:44.600 --> 00:03:45.600 Right, right. 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:53.800 And that was part of our discussion last month, and, you know, that simply from a procedural 00:03:53.800 --> 00:04:00.840 perspective when we know that somebody is going to be guaranteed to be gone during a 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:07.240 certain time, that puts more burden on everyone else on the committee to either make certain 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:13.980 that we're here, and if we can't make a quorum, it puts a bigger burden on than everybody 00:04:13.980 --> 00:04:19.960 else over here saying, okay, you know, we have to push that agenda item until the next 00:04:19.960 --> 00:04:23.480 month, and it could be something that's somewhat time sensitive. 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:31.040 So that's why, you know, we had the discussion that we did. 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.280 So Jim? 00:04:35.280 --> 00:04:39.560 I'll make a motion to accept Dan's recommendation. 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:40.560 We'll excuse him. 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:42.480 Or we will not excuse him for July. 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.160 Whatever he just said. 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:45.160 Okay. 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:46.160 Okay. 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:47.160 Second. 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.600 And we have a second. 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.600 Okay. 00:04:50.600 --> 00:05:00.720 You will this time say that we will not excuse Dan for July, you know, by his own recommendation. 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.360 And you get a clean slate starting September. 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:04.360 So -- 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:05.360 Is that our annual -- 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:06.360 Right? 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:07.360 -- we start off over? 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:08.360 Let's say he does. 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:09.360 I don't know. 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:10.360 I'm going to make up rules as we go. 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:11.360 Yeah. 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:12.360 Clean slate. 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:13.360 September. 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:14.360 All right. 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:15.360 There we go. 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:16.360 Okay. 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:17.360 Okay. 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:18.360 Real punishment there. 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:19.360 I might just do it again. 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:20.360 Oh, wait. 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:21.360 Okay. 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:22.360 After the meeting is when the punishment phase occurs. 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:23.360 Okay. 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.360 Okay. 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:25.360 And then -- 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:31.360 I would have thought it would have started when you started, and then it would have been 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:32.360 a year. 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:33.360 So -- 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:34.360 Poke, poke. 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:35.360 I thought it was on. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:36.360 I'm sorry. 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:37.360 Okay. 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:38.360 So when does it start? 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:39.600 Does it start when you start, and then you have a year? 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:41.720 And is it inside that window? 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.760 That's a good question. 00:05:43.760 --> 00:05:48.840 This is, you know, getting predicated on the assumption everybody would start in September, 00:05:48.840 --> 00:05:51.120 but that does not happen. 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.120 So -- 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:56.040 So I've been informed it's a fiscal year, so it restarts in October. 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.040 October. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.040 October 1. 00:05:58.040 --> 00:05:59.040 Okay. 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:00.040 Oh, okay. 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.040 Okay. 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:02.040 For everybody. 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.040 Even if you can't -- even if you rolled on in June -- 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.040 Correct. 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:05.040 -- then -- 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:06.040 It's a 12-month between October and October. 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.040 Okay. 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:08.040 Okay. 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:09.040 Good to know. 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:10.040 Okay. 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:11.040 All right. 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.040 You got to be here in September. 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.040 Well, I've got it. 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:14.040 Now it's only my first one. 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.040 I've got -- 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:16.040 [ Laughter ] 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.040 I've got extra ones. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:18.040 You get two more. 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:19.040 Okay. 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.040 [ Laughter ] 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:21.040 All right. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:22.040 Shame on you. 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.040 Okay. 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:33.200 Everyone, in favor of not excusing Dan for July, I and A, raise your hands. 00:06:33.200 --> 00:06:34.200 Okay. 00:06:34.200 --> 00:06:36.960 You are not excused for July, officially. 00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:37.960 Okay. 00:06:37.960 --> 00:06:48.480 That brings us to Item 1C, which is TSC 19-037, which is to receive a report regarding the 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.320 installation of no parking signs along Dutchess Drive. 00:06:53.320 --> 00:06:56.400 Good afternoon. 00:06:56.400 --> 00:07:09.200 Hello, hello. 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:36.840 Oh, okay. 00:07:36.840 --> 00:07:37.840 Sorry about that. 00:07:37.840 --> 00:07:38.840 Good afternoon. 00:07:38.840 --> 00:07:44.320 So staff wanted to update the commission about a recent signing and striping project along 00:07:44.320 --> 00:07:47.080 Dutchess Drive. 00:07:47.080 --> 00:07:55.440 In May, we received a request to review this street because people were having a hard time 00:07:55.440 --> 00:08:03.200 driving past people that were parked on the north side of Dutchess. 00:08:03.200 --> 00:08:08.800 So this is what we recommended, and in the past two weeks, this was completed by Traffic 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:09.800 Operations. 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:17.840 A center line was installed from Loop 288 all the way to Trailhead Lane, which is the 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:26.640 last road, and basically, Dutchess is 40 feet on the east side, and then it tapers down 00:08:26.640 --> 00:08:29.140 to only 22 feet. 00:08:29.140 --> 00:08:33.680 So this really doesn't allow for two travel lanes and parking on the north. 00:08:33.680 --> 00:08:43.700 So from where it tapers down all the way to Trailhead Lane, we put no parking signs. 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:49.600 So that's basically the extent of what we did on Dutchess Drive. 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.600 Any questions? 00:08:52.600 --> 00:09:02.080 Not regarding that, but are there any plans to extend Mockingbird to connect with the 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.080 north side? 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:04.080 Mockingbird? 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:08.920 I would have to check that. 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:14.360 It's off topic. 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:15.360 Off topic. 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.360 Off topic. 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.960 Well, so typically, we would wait for development to occur. 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:25.160 Any undeveloped property, such as the property on the south side of Dutchess, is responsible 00:09:25.160 --> 00:09:26.880 for constructing their portion of the roadway. 00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:32.220 So for an example, when that property on the south side comes in, the other half of Dutchess 00:09:32.220 --> 00:09:38.080 will be built, and we can rethink the no parking, but Mockingbird, the undeveloped property 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:44.720 north of this, will be responsible for building a part of Mockingbird. 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.240 Any other on topic questions? 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.840 I can't stay on topic. 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:51.840 Okay. 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.920 Anybody have anything else? 00:09:53.920 --> 00:09:54.920 Pretty easy. 00:09:54.920 --> 00:09:55.920 Okay. 00:09:55.920 --> 00:09:56.920 Thank you. 00:09:56.920 --> 00:09:57.920 Thank you. 00:09:57.920 --> 00:09:58.920 All right. 00:09:58.920 --> 00:10:07.280 That moves us to TSC 19-038, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion about pedestrian, 00:10:07.280 --> 00:10:22.800 bicycle, and motor vehicle accident statistics in the city of Denton. 00:10:22.800 --> 00:10:23.800 Good evening. 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:26.560 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city. 00:10:26.560 --> 00:10:28.480 I'm going to make this big. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:29.480 Okay. 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:34.120 Tonight, I'm going to talk a little bit about bicycle and pedestrian crash data. 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:40.720 We have two sources for this, although ultimately, I think all of the data comes from TxDOT. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:46.460 They collect this data at the state level and distribute it that way, but I have two 00:10:46.460 --> 00:10:49.360 different sources of mapping information. 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:55.400 So the first, this is a tool provided by the North Central Texas Council of Governments, 00:10:55.400 --> 00:11:01.720 and it is a KML file that you can download and open in Google Earth, which is a free 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.240 mapping platform available to everyone. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:07.960 Please excuse the words up in the top left. 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:12.960 I used another template and did not fully delete what was there. 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:14.360 So please ignore that. 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:15.920 I'm sorry. 00:11:15.920 --> 00:11:17.200 Oversight. 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:22.600 So looking here, this is an overview where you can see the aerial photo. 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.920 And we have listed, it's a little difficult to see here, but we'll go to some other that 00:11:26.920 --> 00:11:31.920 make it a little easier, but you can at least see landmarks because this is an aerial photo. 00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:35.320 So your green dots are non-fatal pedestrian crashes. 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.720 Your blue are non-fatal bicycle crashes. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.280 And then there are some stars in there, but very few, and they're difficult to see. 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:46.920 The stars indicate where we have had fatal crashes, but I'm just going to go through 00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:49.340 a couple of heat maps here, generally. 00:11:49.340 --> 00:11:54.920 So this is interesting, you know, the data can be presented in a number of different 00:11:54.920 --> 00:12:00.040 ways, which kind of tells different stories depending how you look at it. 00:12:00.040 --> 00:12:07.300 So essentially, downtown Denton is where we have our greatest difficulties with bicycle 00:12:07.300 --> 00:12:11.040 and pedestrian crashes. 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:17.000 High density right in the middle, and in some ways this is to be expected because we have, 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:22.840 that's the center of town, there are lots of intersections, there's lots of traffic. 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:29.000 One-way streets, two-way streets, just that is really where the majority of the activity 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.800 is taking place. 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:37.960 This has the actual points for the crashes overlaid on that heat map. 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:46.960 And so you can see a relationship between where these are located, denser crashes through 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:57.040 the center of town, kind of over getting towards UNT, a few outliers out by the loop out there. 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:00.160 Go to another one here. 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:06.420 This is data from looking at the whole county, though we've zoomed in on Denton itself. 00:13:06.420 --> 00:13:13.160 So these stars are where we have had fatalities, the red star is either bicycle or pedestrian 00:13:13.160 --> 00:13:21.920 crashes over the five-year period, 2013 to 2017 inclusive, and then crashes there. 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:27.360 So again, you can see we have on the east side, we have this cluster, we have a very 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:32.400 dense cluster through the center of town, and then just some outliers, although you can 00:13:32.400 --> 00:13:37.960 see 2181, you can just follow the roadway there in some ways. 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:44.040 Go to the next one, this is a heat map of that same general data. 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:48.720 It's interesting to see this. 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:56.800 This has, illustrates better that outlier on the east side along the loop, 288 loop, 00:13:56.800 --> 00:13:57.800 and that's worth investigating. 00:13:57.800 --> 00:14:01.800 I don't know what's going on there, honestly. 00:14:01.800 --> 00:14:07.120 Are people living nearby and crossing, is that a lighting issue, but that is definitely 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:12.560 indicative of something going on there. 00:14:12.560 --> 00:14:18.000 And then just looking specifically at bicycle crash locations, I just divided this all out. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:30.400 You can see along, there we go, along McKinney, you have kind of a linear data set there. 00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:36.960 Again, center of town, the UNT campus, and then some sprinkled throughout. 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.880 But we also get up sort of into the Razor Ranch area here. 00:14:40.880 --> 00:14:53.160 All right, pedestrians crossing University, also all along 35, and this is very interesting 00:14:53.160 --> 00:14:58.360 as well, why we did not have that, if you look back, the bicycles somehow don't get 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.920 on 35 or on the frontage road. 00:15:02.920 --> 00:15:09.640 And you know, we can dig deeper into this data, we can download spreadsheets from the 00:15:09.640 --> 00:15:14.480 TxDOT website and kind of get really granular on it, but I thought that was something very 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:22.920 interesting that all along 35, we have these pedestrian accidents, fatalities, that cluster 00:15:22.920 --> 00:15:28.640 on the east side of the loop, that seems to be a hot area that I don't really have an 00:15:28.640 --> 00:15:34.600 explanation for right now, but again, downtown UNT. 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:38.800 So moving on, this is just an illustration of what that tool looks like if you log on 00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:49.320 to TxDOT, so you can get individual records, you can't get to where you're getting private 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:55.320 information, but you can get a lot of information about each one, and you can also get much 00:15:55.320 --> 00:16:03.520 more detailed heat maps by going directly to TxDOT, and so you can see right in downtown 00:16:03.520 --> 00:16:05.120 we have these crashes. 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:11.640 And then I just wanted to look at overall statistics with you in general, so nationwide 00:16:11.640 --> 00:16:17.160 bicycle and pedestrian accidents have gone through the roof in the last 10 years, we 00:16:17.160 --> 00:16:24.840 were doing really well until about '08, '09, from the '90s until '08, '09, it was consistently 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:32.800 dropping, and we are now back to where we were in '97 or '98, and the two contributors 00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:42.400 that I hear for that are the smartphone came out about '08, '09, is when they were first 00:16:42.400 --> 00:16:51.880 started coming out, and then also the prevalence of SUVs, because if you are struck by a sedan, 00:16:51.880 --> 00:16:57.280 it typically has a very low nose on it, a low grill, and it will knock your legs out 00:16:57.280 --> 00:17:02.880 from under you, and you will land on top of the hood, whereas SUVs, pickup trucks, larger 00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:11.880 vehicles, they tend to hit you in the vital areas and cause serious damage, and so we 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.440 have a lot more fatalities. 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:21.080 Now Denton has not tracked exactly that, it's interesting to see our trends. 00:17:21.080 --> 00:17:27.560 I don't know to what we can attribute this, we sort of have this roller coaster shape 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:33.920 of crashes, now the trend line is generally upward, that could also be explained by things 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:42.600 like the population growth of the city, growth in the number of students, there could be 00:17:42.600 --> 00:17:51.160 other factors, although it's not desirable to have any accidents of course, and so the 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:56.720 breakdown is, and this, I was able to get one more year of data up to 2018 out of going 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:05.600 directly to the TxDOT data portal, 425 total bike and peg collisions in that six year period, 00:18:05.600 --> 00:18:13.680 skewed male, although large numbers of both males and females, and more pedestrian incidents 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:21.200 than bicycle incidents, and this is all directly from TxDOT, so I'd be happy to answer any 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:27.420 questions about this, or we can have a discussion about this. 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:38.160 Well when we do look at that, all of the bike accidents on McKinney, are there plans currently 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:46.560 for getting bike lanes and sidewalks, because that is a really difficult area to traverse 00:18:46.560 --> 00:18:54.960 on bike and on foot, and it is a lot of bike and foot traffic on McKinney. 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:03.720 So the area east of about Mack Park, where it goes down to one lane, McKinney is scheduled 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.760 to be widened in that area, and as part of the widening, there is going to be a side 00:19:08.760 --> 00:19:13.920 path, I believe it's a 10 foot side path on the north side of it in that area. 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:23.320 Now going back and retrofitting in the area, I'd say between Colorado and downtown, you 00:19:23.320 --> 00:19:33.680 have less, you have less right of way to work with, there is a grant for sidewalk installation 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:42.980 kind of just north of, right by the train tracks, out to, well right out here. 00:19:42.980 --> 00:19:52.400 But that's like 200 or 250 linear feet, and that has been designed. 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:57.720 Those are the two projects I know of that we have going on right now. 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.560 We have been doing the mobility plan work, we just had two public meetings for that, 00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:11.120 and McKinney definitely did come up the difficulty traversing east-west through there, and so 00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:18.720 it will be something that as we continue the process that will receive consideration. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:24.200 How were the decisions made about putting a road on a road diet? 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:29.720 Would McKinney be a candidate? 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.880 I don't know. 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:39.280 Or slowing down, how fast do people go on McKinney, because there is a squall right 00:20:39.280 --> 00:20:50.760 there, I believe the speed limit is 30, 35, and then once you get past Mack Park, it goes 00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:52.260 up to 40. 00:20:52.260 --> 00:20:57.520 My question is, if it's going to be widened at the time, and people have been getting 00:20:57.520 --> 00:21:06.800 hurt or whatever in that area, could we put the walkway in first, and then we give, because 00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:13.880 right now, if you walk past Salvation Army, and once you get past Salvation Army and Dollar 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:22.520 General, it's road, you're walking on the road, and it's like playing Frogger. 00:21:22.520 --> 00:21:26.720 It's like playing Frogger, and for the people in those neighborhoods there, if you're coming 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.000 out even if you want to right past Mack Park, the neighborhood that sits to the left, if 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:41.640 you want to cross, there's not a crosswalk there, it's not anything there, there's no 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.640 crosswalk there, so it's like, like I said, it's almost like playing Frogger if you want 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:51.960 to cross over, so it's like, oh I got enough room, and a lot of times even though the speed 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:58.800 limit drops and then it goes back up, most of the time people are going upwards of 50 00:21:58.800 --> 00:22:03.160 miles an hour until they get past Mack Park, right where the - 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.240 Well, there's somebody walking in there, check it there. 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.880 So I guess my question would be, while those people are walking, and if that's going to 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:21.120 be widened, can we put the walk past in first, instead of waiting for the street to be widened, 00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:26.000 and you know, if you put the walk past in first, then you'll eliminate people for walking 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.960 on those breakdown lanes. 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:37.240 Okay, so to answer the question, is there a program to improve McKinney, there is a construction 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:46.760 project that's, I think it's 100% designed and funded from 288 East, and so that project 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:51.880 will go to construction before the end of this year, so those dollars have some time 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:57.520 limitations and we have to move into construction with what they're calling, well, phase one, 00:22:57.520 --> 00:23:03.080 the farthest east is already underway, but the rest of it, all the way to 288, will be 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:07.760 under construction or let for construction by the end of the year. 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:13.760 From 288 West, there's a secondary project that is under design, we're going to go for 00:23:13.760 --> 00:23:21.160 a 30% design and look for some partnering funds, we don't have the money in a bond or 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.920 any other capital improvement program right now, so we're going to look for some partnering 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:31.560 funds for that, but to answer your question, because that construction is pending or impending, 00:23:31.560 --> 00:23:35.240 we'll probably allow that to happen, those sidewalks to happen with that construction 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:43.280 from 288 East, which seem to be kind of coincidental with some of the accident crash history. 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:51.840 And then the portion west of 288, we can examine opportunities for some side paths, be it even 00:23:51.840 --> 00:23:56.360 an asphalt, a lot of times when you're in a, where you don't have a full drainage system 00:23:56.360 --> 00:24:00.560 in place, it's difficult to put, because you've got these large swales and it's difficult 00:24:00.560 --> 00:24:05.240 to put a, you don't want to put a permanent concrete sidewalk, it'll undermine and you'll 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:09.680 have to replace it or tear it out when you're wider road, so we can look at some alternative 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:15.240 materials and look at if we have an opportunity and some funding, identify some funding for 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.720 pathways prior to construction, again, that's that portion where we don't have the money 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.920 right now, we're looking for some partnering funds, either with the cog or with text dot 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.720 or a grant, so there may be an opportunity there. 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.720 Okay. 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:37.560 Well, some of the area that's to the west of the Audra, Woodrow, Connector, could some 00:24:37.560 --> 00:24:43.520 of them, some of the, could get some funds for safe routes to school, because Rivera 00:24:43.520 --> 00:24:47.360 is just on the other side and there's got to be children that are walking to Rivera. 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:48.360 Right. 00:24:48.360 --> 00:24:56.080 That's what I'm saying, there's no crosswalk, once you get past, I forget the name of the 00:24:56.080 --> 00:25:01.640 street, right where the 7-Eleven is, I don't know a street name, where the 7-Eleven is, 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.640 7-Eleven is on this side. 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.720 Yeah, I said Colorado, but it has many names, it's Audra and Woodrow. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:10.240 It's a whole bunch of names. 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.800 Once you get past there, you know, the sidewalk's in right there, then once you get past, there's 00:25:15.800 --> 00:25:21.240 no sidewalk, no crosswalk until you get all the way down to the loop, you know what I 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:22.240 mean? 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.800 So you have a neighborhood on this side, you walk down, you have a neighborhood on this 00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:31.480 side, you run into apartment complexes, so there's not a crosswalk or like the thing 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.040 that's across the street right here. 00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:34.040 Right, the RRFB. 00:25:34.040 --> 00:25:35.040 Yeah. 00:25:35.040 --> 00:25:36.040 Right. 00:25:36.040 --> 00:25:43.000 You know, even, you know, if the goal is to drive down pedestrian and bicycle accidents, 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:48.320 putting even one of those, a crosswalk with one of those, you know, it'll get people in 00:25:48.320 --> 00:25:50.120 the habit of, "Hey, I gotta slow down." 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:51.120 Right. 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:54.880 You know, get them in the habit of, "Hey, I gotta slow down," someone may be crossing 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.880 the street. 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:00.680 Right now, it's like, "Urgh," you know, it's like that there. 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.760 So currently, we've expended, or exhausted, rather, all of our sidewalk funds and we've 00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:12.120 got most of our Safe Route to School money already programmed, however, there's an agenda 00:26:12.120 --> 00:26:17.160 item at the end of this, is the 2019 bond, where we can talk about some further opportunities 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.160 with sidewalk construction. 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.160 Okay. 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.160 Okay. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.160 Okay. 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.160 How is the funding determined for the amount, you said, sidewalk money's run out? 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:23.160 What would be the best way to address that, or what do you think was the, what's the funding 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:34.640 breakdown for things like sidewalks, bike lanes, and streets? 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.400 So what did we have in the last bond election, two million? 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.300 It was 2014, yeah. 00:26:40.300 --> 00:26:45.160 So we had two million in 2014, and I'll go ahead and give you a little spoiler. 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.240 They're proposing 12 million in 2019 for sidewalks. 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.240 Okay. 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:53.960 So we can leverage that money, we can, I mean, our goal would be to take that 12 million and 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:58.000 leverage it as much as we can with either text dot call for projects, or a cog call 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:03.960 for projects with Safe Route to School, and then use the remainder for just general sidewalk 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:04.960 construction. 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:14.200 So we've got that in that bond election item. 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.000 In the bond, I don't think there is- 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.920 I don't know that it was identified. 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:25.800 What we can pursue, and I'm not sure if the language has already been established, I come 00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:26.800 from a different environment. 00:27:26.800 --> 00:27:31.640 I came from Fort Worth, where it was pedestrian and bicycle funding, and they had 15, and 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:35.600 three went to bicycle, and 12 went to sidewalk. 00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:40.440 I don't know that that language has been set here, and we may have some freedom in using 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.720 pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure improvement dollars. 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:50.480 So I can't really answer that question, but I think we can ask it prior to the November 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:51.480 election for 2019. 00:27:51.480 --> 00:28:09.600 The majority of incidents are in the core of Denton, so that seems like a wise policy 00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:14.240 would be to spend exponentially there, if that's where most of the accidents are happening, 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:21.900 and also if that's where the most people are walking and biking. 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:26.680 Do you feel like we have enough funds and efforts to do it? 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:28.320 I guess I would use McKinney as an example. 00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:29.600 The McKinney Cross is great. 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:32.280 It slows traffic, it makes a safe spot for pedestrians. 00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:38.520 We could use one on Bell and Carroll, too, among other things. 00:28:38.520 --> 00:28:44.960 Are those types of things being looked at to address design-induced accidents that are 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.560 occurring? 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:53.320 Design-induced, as in changing the design of the road? 00:28:53.320 --> 00:28:57.040 Changing the design of the road with the assumption that the road is a big reason these accidents 00:28:57.040 --> 00:28:58.520 are happening, not the people. 00:28:58.520 --> 00:29:02.080 They're being put in an environment that's causing a lot of these accidents. 00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:03.080 Yes. 00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:04.080 Yes. 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:05.080 It is being looked at. 00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:12.880 I mean, there's the MUSE project around the square, which is focused completely on making 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:20.840 that much safer and more passable. 00:29:20.840 --> 00:29:29.400 I don't know that it always factors as high as we would like it to, compared to some other 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:36.680 considerations, like cost and convenience for vehicles. 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:43.440 But it is definitely looked at, and it is considered, especially in this downtown area. 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.840 With any data set, it depends how you look at it, right? 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:53.240 So it could either be that these are very dangerous areas or this is just a very high 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.680 traffic area for bicycles and pedestrians. 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:02.320 I tend to think it's the latter, although, of course, there are definite improvements. 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:09.120 If we had a big checkbook that we would like to see, we would like to make, a number are 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:10.120 underway. 00:30:10.120 --> 00:30:20.200 There's a text-up project to improve the sidewalk and driveway aprons and ramps along Elm Street 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.200 coming up. 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:27.400 So there's a number of things, but we can't do it all as quickly as we'd like to. 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.960 Is there any way of identifying some of the most dangerous areas, especially where citizens 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:33.960 have reached out? 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.240 I'll use Carol and Hickory as an example. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.700 We had a pedestrian hit there, severely injured, could have died easily. 00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:45.360 But if you ask anybody, it's a dangerous intersection for pedestrians. 00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:49.160 The thing I would say is our numbers are probably depleted there because people choose not to 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.200 walk because it's so dangerous and choose to get in a car instead of ever even walking. 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:57.720 So that actually probably lowers our numbers, unfortunately, it hurts the health of citizens 00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.840 and our city, it hurts local businesses. 00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:05.280 So I know that got brought to numerous council members, it was in the news, it made everything. 00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:09.560 I don't know how far out are we from that, six, eight months, and I don't know if there's 00:31:09.560 --> 00:31:10.560 been anything done. 00:31:10.560 --> 00:31:12.920 And there's easy fixes to that intersection. 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.640 So how do we identify these dangerous areas that we know what to do? 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.560 We could do all kinds of things with that intersection to make it safer, but it seems 00:31:21.560 --> 00:31:25.080 like everyone brings it up, it fades and nothing happens. 00:31:25.080 --> 00:31:28.560 And I've said this a few times lately, but I've been on this committee since 2016. 00:31:28.560 --> 00:31:31.760 I feel like we just keep repeating, hey, this area is dangerous. 00:31:31.760 --> 00:31:34.580 And we're seven years later, nothing's happened. 00:31:34.580 --> 00:31:39.720 And so how do we speed up these, the most prime areas to get something done? 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.020 I guess is my question. 00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:49.920 I thought we installed brighter lamps on the street lights, can anyone else confirm that? 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:57.920 I thought at Carroll, at Oak Hickory, and Mulberry that brighter lamps had been installed within 00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:06.480 the last year. 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:11.280 We do keep track, we keep track of suggestions that we get. 00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:16.960 We do keep running lists as we hear from people about sidewalk improvements and so forth. 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.600 The question there is just whether or not we will have the funding to do it. 00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:27.280 So we have a list prepared, should that bond be passed. 00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:32.120 We do have a list of high priority locations that we've heard from people about as far 00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:36.520 as new sidewalk improvements. 00:32:36.520 --> 00:32:41.200 Could that be part of the process is actually prioritizing? 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:46.000 This is our number one priority, for example, Hickory and Carroll, and then determining 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.600 what would the funds be to fix this. 00:32:48.600 --> 00:32:53.800 And maybe having an active list that citizens and this committee in particular, too, could 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:55.640 have available as discussion points. 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.400 Because I think it's really easy to lose track of it. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.000 It's hard to keep track of which ones we've talked about. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.360 And then again, it's easy, nothing seems to get done in some of these cases. 00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:14.040 We do also have the project, the ADA transition plan for the city, which has been ongoing 00:33:14.040 --> 00:33:15.920 the last six or eight months. 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:24.820 We had a contractor drive all of the sidewalks in the city with a retrofitted ATV that measured 00:33:24.820 --> 00:33:29.440 your pitch and yaw. 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:35.800 All the different conditions of all of our sidewalks and all of our signalized intersections. 00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:41.400 And when we get the final data on that, we're going to have cost estimates. 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:49.520 And I believe there will be some sort of a priority metric that comes with that. 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:56.120 I don't know if it's exactly what you're looking for, but they will be graded that 00:33:56.120 --> 00:33:57.120 way. 00:33:57.120 --> 00:34:05.160 And that is upcoming. 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.080 Would that be something, since it's ADA, hoping to get ADA compliant, would there be federal 00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:18.560 funds for that or is that like an unfunded mandate? 00:34:18.560 --> 00:34:28.280 As of right now, not funded, but it will be able to inform us as funding becomes available 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:29.280 where we can concentrate. 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.680 I have one more question for you. 00:34:33.680 --> 00:34:34.680 Yeah. 00:34:34.680 --> 00:34:40.240 When an accident happens at an intersection that has the cross lights, is there a way 00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:47.160 that the timing, I know the one on bell, and when I talk, I was speaking about where I've 00:34:47.160 --> 00:34:48.160 been. 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:53.240 One on bell, you push and it says wait, and then it says bell, bell, bell. 00:34:53.240 --> 00:34:57.720 Before you get to the middle of the street, it's already blinking at nine. 00:34:57.720 --> 00:35:02.080 By the time you get across, the light has already changed. 00:35:02.080 --> 00:35:03.080 You see what I'm saying? 00:35:03.080 --> 00:35:09.240 By the time when you're crossing, you push, you wait, and when you're crossing, you're 00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:13.720 not all the way across and the light has already turned green and you have people sitting in 00:35:13.720 --> 00:35:18.400 their car looking at you and something will even start to go, then you have to, you know, 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:24.880 that may be a contributing factor to those pedestrians, you know, accidents happen with 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.680 the cross lights because a lot of the, the one on Teasley is the same, is the same way 00:35:30.680 --> 00:35:36.400 too, you know, you push, you wait, and before you can get halfway across, it's already at 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:43.400 nine seconds, you know, so you, you speed up or, and, and, but the light that, that 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:48.360 you cross against, it's already turning green before you can even get through the sidewalk, 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:53.480 so that may be a contributing factor too, maybe just a calibration that needs to be, 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.880 you know, that can happen to where they can say, okay, you push, it takes this much, just, 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:03.600 you know, as long as you get across the street, they get a person to amp them out of time, 00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:06.600 you know, sometimes people in cars are impatient. 00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:11.600 So definitely, we can look at the minimum pedestrian timing that's required to cross 00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:18.920 and we should, that should already be in place, so one of the efforts and initiatives that 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:22.440 we're going to take in the next 12 months or so is to look at a lot of our major corridors, 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.240 we're going to retime some signals, I know it seems like it was just done recently, but 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:31.280 I think we can do better and one of the issues, one of the items that we're going to push 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.880 forward is what we call the leading pedestrian interval, so before the cars get the green, 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.920 the pedestrians get the walk sign for about five or six seconds, which allows them to 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.480 step off the curb and to get started through, then the cars get their green and as they 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:53.480 begin their maneuver, whether it's left, right, straight, whatever, they can see the pedestrians 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.240 are already in the crosswalk, the vehicles have to yield, one of the conflicts that we 00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:04.120 have, and especially with right turns, is that historically, the walk sign and the green 00:37:04.120 --> 00:37:08.080 have come up together, so the car's waiting, waiting, waiting, wants to turn right, sees 00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:11.960 the green, he starts the maneuver, same time this pedestrian sees the walk sign and steps 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:16.840 off the curb and that's where we have collisions, so what we do now is we give those pedestrians 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.640 a little head start, so they're already, they've occupied the roadway and therefore have the 00:37:21.640 --> 00:37:27.240 right of way, so I know we always tell people the pedestrians have the right of way, but 00:37:27.240 --> 00:37:31.840 the way the law is written is it's a 50/50, so if you haven't, as a pedestrian, if you 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.160 haven't started your maneuver and the car's moving, you're supposed to yield, but we tell 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:40.600 people that pedestrians have the right of way, so they step off the curb and cars already 00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:45.560 move in and we have a conflict, but that leading pedestrian interval gets the pedestrian clearly 00:37:45.560 --> 00:37:50.040 in the right of way, occupy that crosswalk and the vehicle has to yield, so that's one 00:37:50.040 --> 00:37:53.840 of the things we're going to be pushing forward, and you know, right there on bail, when you 00:37:53.840 --> 00:38:00.680 push and it's a left hand turn, we come from down there, and when you push, you know, those 00:38:00.680 --> 00:38:05.000 are going to have the turn signal, so when you push and the light turns green, the person 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:10.440 that's trying to make a left, they normally go ahead and they turn, so there's another 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:20.440 timing, which you call a process, is that if the car gets there first, it wants to turn 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:27.800 left, so he's told, there's sensors, we use cameras, we use radar, we use a lot of different 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:32.880 mechanisms, but the intersection knows the car's there waiting to turn left, he's in 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.280 the left turn lane, and the pedestrian walks up after that and pushes the button, he won't 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:42.000 get the walk signal, the left turn will go first, and then it will clear the pedestrian 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:47.520 to go after that left turn, eliminating that conflict, so you won't have that, basically 00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:52.080 what we're trying to do with the signal timing and the way we phase and structure that interval 00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:57.280 is that we don't want the pedestrian and the car to get the green light at the same time, 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.440 and in the same direction, so whenever we have that conflict, left turns and right turns, 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:03.640 we try and separate them. 00:39:03.640 --> 00:39:13.720 Do you have any data on how frequently vehicles are ticketed for not obeying pedestrian right 00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:16.680 away and cycling right away? 00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:24.160 Okay, so this is a two-part answer, yes, I believe we do, and the second part is, unfortunately, 00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:32.640 typically only when there's a collision, so I don't think, I've never seen an accident 00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:41.040 or a ticket citation issued that you failed to yield the right-of-way even though nothing 00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:47.320 happened, so typically it will be in a crash report and the cause of the crash is going 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:53.200 to be failure to yield right-of-way, but I'm not aware of a lot of citations being issued 00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:56.280 for not yielding the right-of-way to a pedestrian. 00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.360 Well since, you know, a lot of people no doubt drive into Denton, you know, drive the farm 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:06.680 to market road and then at 65, 75 miles an hour, and then get into Denton, which is in 00:40:06.680 --> 00:40:14.480 a totally different environment, maybe increasing citations when somebody, you know, when an 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:20.800 officer sees a car not yielding to a pedestrian, when the pedestrian has the right-of-way, 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:28.560 maybe we should explore increasing citations to start, you know, making people pay attention 00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:31.000 to pedestrians and bikes. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:37.000 So this might be an opportune time with school coming up, and we can talk about our meeting 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.760 in September, but in an upcoming meeting, now that we're going to have a lot of pedestrians 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:47.920 back in town, maybe we invite the police to give us kind of a brief insight to what their 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.400 practices are and where their priorities are. 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:57.640 I'm sure it's not going to be popular among vehicle drivers, but the vehicles are going 00:40:57.640 --> 00:41:02.560 to win, and the pedestrians and cyclists are going to lose. 00:41:02.560 --> 00:41:06.320 So they lose 35 bucks because they haven't yielded. 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:12.120 Well, you know, maybe that will stop a pedestrian from losing a leg. 00:41:12.120 --> 00:41:16.000 So would it be of interest to have a presentation from PD? 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.000 Sure. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.000 Yes. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.560 Because they're ramping up right now, so, whether it be September or October, that probably 00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:24.600 would be an opportune time. 00:41:24.600 --> 00:41:27.360 That'd work, yeah. 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.360 I'm not here. 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:29.360 Y'all can do it. 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:30.360 I'll come watch. 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.960 And then just another thing about going forward is associated policies. 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.960 I think I've mentioned this one before, but we have some new peoples. 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.760 I know some cities have tried the universal, like, downtown speed limit, you know, as a 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.040 way, because I know speed limits usually don't change behavior, but I guess there's been 00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:51.840 some success around if it's, like, marked distinctly, and it's the whole area is the 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.800 same speed limit, so we slow down. 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.440 And you know, we have clear problems on Bell and Carroll. 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.640 People treat those like little highways. 00:41:59.640 --> 00:42:03.720 They have low traffic, so cars can just speed up and gun it. 00:42:03.720 --> 00:42:05.600 But they're right next to the core. 00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:09.000 It's at the center of our city where you have the most cyclists and pedestrians. 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.480 So again, I think just going back to that idea of, like, at some point we have to decide, 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:20.000 do we want people to be safer or do we want cars to be 30 seconds quicker to their destination? 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.000 And that's the tradeoff. 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:25.120 And so, I mean, I think a lot of times it's really hard to get that 30 seconds away from 00:42:25.120 --> 00:42:29.360 cars, but it could save life, and also not just save a life, but get people out walking 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.400 and biking because they'll feel safe on these streets. 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.020 But when your core of your city has Bell and Carroll cutting through it with cars flying 00:42:36.020 --> 00:42:37.840 through those, it makes it really hard. 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.620 I mean, whether you're sitting at Bell, if you go over to Armadillo and Cryptozoology 00:42:42.620 --> 00:42:46.280 and watch cars come around that corner, I mean, you can think you're walking across 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.240 the street with no one there, and before you know it, if you don't start running, you will 00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:51.000 get hit by a car. 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:56.280 And the same problem can exist on Carroll, too, and again, those are one block off the 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:57.640 center of the square. 00:42:57.640 --> 00:43:02.080 So I don't know, I just think without thinking about slowing down our streets and what that 00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:06.540 would look like, it's hard to ever really address, like, make these numbers lower, which 00:43:06.540 --> 00:43:10.680 I think everyone wants, but you have to have tradeoffs at some point. 00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:16.440 So just thinking about some of those solutions of slowing the streets, like universal design, 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.560 that's artwork even, you know. 00:43:19.560 --> 00:43:23.680 I think that's something we proposed at Carroll and Hickory is artwork as a way to kind of 00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:26.720 draw attention to drivers as you're entering a special area. 00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:28.720 Don't hit people with your car. 00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:31.560 I have another thought. 00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:36.600 So this was my thought was because something happened this past week, and I'm wondering, 00:43:36.600 --> 00:43:43.600 I know the city already has no riding your bike on the sidewalk on the square and then 00:43:43.600 --> 00:43:48.280 one block off, but I'm wondering if that needs to be extended. 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:56.040 Because even if you are going 10 miles an hour, if you are on a bike and you ride down 00:43:56.040 --> 00:43:59.600 the sidewalk, you can still get hit. 00:43:59.600 --> 00:44:03.440 Because they're not always looking for you on your bike. 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.320 You know, I mean, they might be looking for a pedestrian, but they're not necessarily 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.540 looking for a bike on a sidewalk. 00:44:10.540 --> 00:44:17.400 So I'm just throwing this out to Mark, do you have any stats, do you know if those things, 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:24.720 if it becomes illegal, does that help at all? 00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:36.960 In a dense area like the square where traffic is hopefully moving more slowly, you, yes, 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:44.440 I think it is safer to have the majority of bicycles off of the sidewalk. 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:50.640 But I would say kids under a certain age, I would keep on the sidewalk. 00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:59.120 And I would say many other areas, you want that sidewalk to be available to people. 00:44:59.120 --> 00:45:08.040 You know, some of the problems are vehicles backing out of driveways, shared space where 00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:10.520 you have a lot of pedestrians in that downtown area. 00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:14.160 I think that's why the square and that one block outside of it is because of the high 00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:21.080 pedestrian density and the difference in speeds between pedestrians and bicycles. 00:45:21.080 --> 00:45:22.080 It made sense. 00:45:22.080 --> 00:45:26.760 And you know, there may be an argument as the -- I don't know how long that's been 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:32.000 in place, you know, but as downtown continues to grow and thrive and you get more businesses, 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.800 more foot traffic, you know, there may be an argument to that. 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:47.720 I don't have specific data about sidewalk injuries, but that's a good point. 00:45:47.720 --> 00:45:48.720 >> Okay. 00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:49.720 All right. 00:45:49.720 --> 00:45:50.720 Anybody, anything else from us? 00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:54.000 I've got one card from someone who wishes to speak. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.000 Okay. 00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:04.960 Jennifer Lane, you can come on up and state your address and let's hear from you. 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:12.040 >> Hello, Jennifer Lane, 1526 Willowwood Street. 00:46:12.040 --> 00:46:17.120 Yeah, I came specifically to talk about the Highland Park Road, but the presentation hasn't 00:46:17.120 --> 00:46:19.960 actually happened on that, but I'm just as happy to be up here talking about this. 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:20.960 >> Okay. 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:21.960 Because that one's next. 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:22.960 >> Yeah. 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.960 So that's fine. 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.840 If you call me, I kind of want to anyway. 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.720 Some of the more well-known accidents in Denton have been -- have involved people riding on 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:32.720 the sidewalks. 00:46:32.720 --> 00:46:35.320 It really is dangerous. 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.240 Not just because of the things that were just described, namely backing out cars and high 00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:43.280 pedestrian density, but also bushes and so forth that -- and drivers can't see that someone's 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:44.720 coming. 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:49.280 So generally speaking, the bike lanes are, you know, much, much safer. 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:55.600 The sharrows have been shown not to be as safe as dedicated bike lanes, and split pathways 00:46:55.600 --> 00:47:01.200 with bike lanes and pedestrian pathways are also good where you can have them. 00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:06.160 I really liked hearing about the possibility of citations for deterrence. 00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:07.160 That's really great. 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:10.600 And then, should I go ahead and speak about Highland? 00:47:10.600 --> 00:47:11.600 Not a whole lot to say, but maybe -- 00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:12.600 >> We'll have to wait on that. 00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:13.880 >> -- maybe I'll have your presentation first. 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.840 >> Yeah, we'll wait until after that, but -- 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.800 >> I will just go on to use the few minutes that I have left to say that finally after 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:27.280 ten years, the yellow lights have been lengthened at certain intersections that the green light 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.400 was too short to cross on a bicycle. 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:35.240 In fact, I filmed one of them on University Drive ten years ago because I was hit there, 00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:39.800 and I filmed it, and it was less than five seconds to get across when there was a median 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.360 there, and so the light would change while the person was crossing. 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.320 And even though my own insurance company, my driver's insurance, informed me that the 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.760 intersection was mine until I got through, it belongs to the driver, anybody on a vehicle 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:59.920 going across, the driver came through nonetheless and did hit me. 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:04.440 So that is a really big victory, I think, that between the red light cameras and the 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:10.320 bicycle advocacy got that lengthened just enough to enable people to get across. 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:17.240 Dallas and Fulton don't have any minimum green at all, so there's no, you know, stand there 00:48:17.240 --> 00:48:21.920 for 24 hours, I suppose, if there's no car that comes along to enable the light to change 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:22.920 or trigger the sensor. 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:23.920 So that's -- 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:24.920 >> Yeah, we've been working on that. 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:25.920 >> Yeah, that's great. 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.920 >> On both of those. 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:27.920 >> Yeah, congratulations on that. 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.920 That's really good. 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.200 And in places that I've lived before where they had the Idaho laws, I highly recommend 00:48:33.200 --> 00:48:34.200 because -- 00:48:34.200 --> 00:48:35.200 >> We've tried. 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:36.200 >> Yeah, I know. 00:48:36.200 --> 00:48:37.200 I know. 00:48:37.200 --> 00:48:38.200 I know. 00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:39.200 Keep trying. 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.560 Because there's, you know, maybe tweaks and so forth that will fit. 00:48:41.560 --> 00:48:46.640 I came from Lexington, Kentucky, where they did adopt those, and a former body, you know, 00:48:46.640 --> 00:48:50.880 10 years ago was pretty excited because it was another southern city, not Oregon or something, 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.840 you know, where, you know, you had to think about all that. 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.760 But the stop in particular, I would just describe it as follows, that if you are on a bicycle 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:03.320 and you have to stop, you have to get off and out of the vehicle, it would be the same 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:08.680 as if every time a driver pulled up to a light and had to step outside the car. 00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:11.440 So that's the difference between a yield and a stop. 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:16.760 And if the weaker, smaller, slower vehicles can go through first, based on common sense 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:21.220 and what they perceive, and then the big 4,000 pounds go and the light changes, it's safer 00:49:21.220 --> 00:49:22.760 for all concerned. 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:23.760 Thanks. 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:24.760 >> Okay. 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.400 And so the -- we're doing 40 next, the Highland, and so I should -- I put you down -- because 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.760 you do have 38, this item numbered on here. 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:33.760 >> Oh, okay. 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:34.760 I thought it was the Highland. 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:35.760 >> So I'll also do -- should I put you down for 40 also? 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:36.760 >> Yeah, I thought that was -- 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:37.760 >> Okay. 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:38.760 >> I must have been -- 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.760 >> I gotcha. 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:40.760 >> It must have been the number below or -- 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:41.760 >> Okay. 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:47.400 >> And what we learned about the Idaho stop, right, was that we have to do that at the 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:48.400 state level. 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:49.400 >> State level. 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.400 >> So if you have -- 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:51.400 >> So write your legislature. 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:52.400 >> Write your legislature at the state level. 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:53.400 >> Oh, that's a great -- 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.060 >> Yeah, because we cannot change it at the municipal level. 00:49:58.060 --> 00:50:02.200 >> You probably could get the state level to allow municipalities to introduce it, because 00:50:02.200 --> 00:50:04.800 that's how others have in other states. 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:09.640 It's not on the state level in Idaho or Kentucky or in Oregon. 00:50:09.640 --> 00:50:10.800 It's on the municipal level. 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.800 >> Right. 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.080 >> So they would simply have to allow cities to choose. 00:50:14.080 --> 00:50:15.080 >> Right. 00:50:15.080 --> 00:50:16.080 >> Yeah. 00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:18.040 >> I guess it's prohibited at this point. 00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:22.880 All I know is that the state level passed the three-foot passage, and then it was vetoed. 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:30.120 So the state was pretty enthusiastic about protecting cyclists, enough to do that, and 00:50:30.120 --> 00:50:33.040 then it was vetoed by, at the time, Perry. 00:50:33.040 --> 00:50:38.760 Was it a broader set of laws, policies, that cities can't make their own policy, or was 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:39.760 it specific? 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.760 I couldn't remember. 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:41.760 >> I sure would like to see -- 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.720 >> Because we had a presentation on this where we all wanted it, and they basically told 00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:45.840 us you have to lobby at the state level. 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.560 >> Where would I see that presentation, because, you know, you know how it is. 00:50:49.560 --> 00:50:50.560 >> Yeah. 00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:51.560 >> Yeah. 00:50:51.560 --> 00:50:54.680 >> One can be easily fooled into thinking that you're seeing one thing and you're not. 00:50:54.680 --> 00:50:56.240 >> April or May. 00:50:56.240 --> 00:50:57.240 >> Yeah. 00:50:57.240 --> 00:50:58.240 >> What's in the spring? 00:50:58.240 --> 00:50:59.240 Yeah. 00:50:59.240 --> 00:51:02.200 >> I would say go back and really look at that, because they would have to pass an awful lot 00:51:02.200 --> 00:51:04.080 of laws to make that impossible here. 00:51:04.080 --> 00:51:05.080 >> Yeah. 00:51:05.080 --> 00:51:06.840 >> Well, they've passed some. 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:07.840 I know that. 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:08.840 >> Yeah. 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:09.840 >> Okay. 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.240 >> They've taken away, I mean, we know in debt and -- 00:51:11.240 --> 00:51:12.240 >> Yeah. 00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:15.200 >> Sort of the thing of overturning local control type of laws? 00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:16.200 >> Local control, yeah. 00:51:16.200 --> 00:51:17.200 >> Mm-hmm. 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:18.200 >> Yes. 00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:19.200 >> Mm-hmm. 00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:20.200 >> That's really interesting. 00:51:20.200 --> 00:51:21.200 >> Yeah. 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:22.200 >> Mm-hmm. 00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:23.200 Okay. 00:51:23.200 --> 00:51:24.200 Thank you. 00:51:24.200 --> 00:51:25.200 >> Connected really is a stupid state, and I'm on record. 00:51:25.200 --> 00:51:26.200 >> All right. 00:51:26.200 --> 00:51:27.200 Thank you. 00:51:27.200 --> 00:51:28.200 All right. 00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:33.920 Does anybody else have anything to discuss on this item? 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:35.640 038. 00:51:35.640 --> 00:51:36.760 Okay. 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:44.200 That brings us to TSC 19-040, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide 00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:50.440 direction to staff regarding the Highland Street Protected Bike Lane Demonstration Project. 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.320 >> Good evening again. 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.080 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city. 00:51:59.080 --> 00:52:02.520 So we're going to talk about the Highland Street Protected Bike Lane. 00:52:02.520 --> 00:52:04.920 Highland Street is a one-way street. 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:09.880 It's the section that we're discussing tonight is just south of UNT. 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.440 It actually goes through the campus. 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.520 Here's an overview map for you if you look right in the middle there. 00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:18.080 It's the library mall. 00:52:18.080 --> 00:52:19.960 I think the library is this one. 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:26.760 And it's about five to six blocks, depending how you measure it, currently, where there 00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.480 is a contraflow bike lane. 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.520 So vehicular traffic is going from your left to your right, eastbound, but on the north 00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:43.440 side there is a buffered bike lane that allows bicycles to go the opposite direction. 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:51.600 Bicycles that wish to go the same direction as traffic use the right side lane currently. 00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:56.240 So here is some pictures of this. 00:52:56.240 --> 00:53:03.120 These are the two on the left are file photos that I have in my files and these predate me. 00:53:03.120 --> 00:53:09.520 On the right, this is the official Google Maps street view picture, and you can see 00:53:09.520 --> 00:53:11.760 that this is blocked. 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.960 Basically what happens is this is a very popular pickup and drop-off point for students because 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.680 it's right next to the libraries. 00:53:19.680 --> 00:53:21.160 And vehicles come up. 00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:27.560 They use the international parking permit, which is your hazards, throw those on and 00:53:27.560 --> 00:53:29.560 block it. 00:53:29.560 --> 00:53:36.640 Here is, there's actually an Instagram account that is entirely dedicated to this problem. 00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:45.160 This is the address for it up here on the right, Highland_st_parking_lane, which chronicles 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:46.160 this. 00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:48.120 We've seen videos of this as well. 00:53:48.120 --> 00:53:53.200 So this is a well-documented problem and something that we would like to see addressed, has been 00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:54.200 brought up. 00:53:54.200 --> 00:54:03.080 And we did a fair amount of work towards changing this about six months ago, but it is stalled 00:54:03.080 --> 00:54:06.760 currently and we'll discuss that and why. 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:11.520 So this, this is the proposed change. 00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:18.280 This is a, not an engineer's rendering, not to scale, but it is designed to demonstrate 00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:19.680 what we are proposing here. 00:54:19.680 --> 00:54:21.840 So north is to your right. 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:27.800 Your vehicular traffic will continue in that same eastbound direction. 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.320 So imagine the library is over here on the right side. 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:37.680 And so what we are proposing is instead of having just the one contraflow bicycle lane 00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:40.280 is that we expand that area. 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:46.120 So we have two six foot lanes, one contraflow, which will be against the curb. 00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:50.560 That will be, you know, the American way of driving. 00:54:50.560 --> 00:54:56.360 So drive on the right side, bicycles will be approaching each other in the correct way. 00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.640 And the bicycles going in the same direction as the vehicular traffic will be closest to 00:55:00.640 --> 00:55:05.000 the vehicular traffic, which is safer. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.640 We'll still have a two foot buffer proposed. 00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:18.360 Now we, as with many good ideas, this kind of broke down in negotiating the details, 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:19.600 I would say. 00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:23.640 So we met a couple times with UNT leadership. 00:55:23.640 --> 00:55:30.920 I was not at all of those meetings, but really two things happened. 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:37.600 So one was there was concern about the lanes looking overly cluttered by having what we 00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:47.400 proposed as the physical barrier is these plastic delineator posts, reflective 36 inches 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.720 to four feet tall. 00:55:51.720 --> 00:55:59.480 And ideally we would like to have them every 20 feet, maybe even every 15, because that 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:08.580 way it's much more difficult for cars to weave their way against the curb into the bicycle 00:56:08.580 --> 00:56:11.080 lanes. 00:56:11.080 --> 00:56:16.360 The request most recently from the people we've been working with at UNT was for a 40 foot 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:25.900 interval because they didn't like the way that this would sort of clutter up the visual 00:56:25.900 --> 00:56:29.200 appeal of the campus. 00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:32.720 I don't think, well, I don't think that's sufficient. 00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:40.560 Now maybe a miracle will happen or something, but with delineator posts 40 feet apart I 00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:45.680 think we're still going to have plenty of vehicles just pulling over real quick to drop 00:56:45.680 --> 00:56:49.200 off or pick up or whatever it's going to be. 00:56:49.200 --> 00:56:53.940 And then on the opposite side there would, depending on the block face, either a loading 00:56:53.940 --> 00:57:01.760 zone or potentially some parallel parking available and we would still have two lanes 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:02.760 there. 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:09.040 So then the other issue is in talking with UNT we had proposed this 50/50 cost sharing 00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:15.160 estimate and UNT said, well, at the time we have $10,000 ready to do this. 00:57:15.160 --> 00:57:19.600 But once we calculated, crunched the numbers a little further, it looked like it would 00:57:19.600 --> 00:57:24.000 be more like $40,000 to change all of the striping. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:34.340 And so we just never got back together on meeting in the middle somehow on that. 00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:42.720 So I wish I could say there was something else positive happening. 00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:52.760 But as of right now this is stalled and maybe it just needs a nudge. 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.400 When you say UNT, who do these negotiations take place? 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.960 The most recent ones happened far above my level. 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:09.680 I think it was like a vice president for facilities or something like that. 00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:14.560 I can track down, but it definitely happened, I wasn't even invited to that meeting when 00:58:14.560 --> 00:58:15.560 it was discussed. 00:58:15.560 --> 00:58:18.760 I was just informed of what came out of it. 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:19.760 Hey. 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:21.760 Who for the city was at that meeting? 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.880 I think it was pre-TAM and it was a number of months ago. 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:31.000 Is that a traffic enforcement thing, too? 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:32.600 Yeah, there have been. 00:58:32.600 --> 00:58:35.880 So can we, so can UNT get their -- 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.880 UNT has -- 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.920 I don't know if they're calling the police. 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:46.040 Yeah, like I don't know what you call it, a sting operator, not a staffer, a hot enforcement 00:58:46.040 --> 00:58:47.040 or they would, you know -- 00:58:47.040 --> 00:58:52.120 You know, if they can be ticketed for it, it's the same thing as if you're in the city. 00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:53.120 And they do that. 00:58:53.120 --> 00:58:59.000 And, you know, if they're blocking a bike line, they're blocking a -- if they're not 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.800 supposed to do it, and the police seat, if I do it, the police seat means they're going 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.800 to take it. 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:11.360 I understand you're a student, but if it's a safety thing, and you there, and the police 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:16.360 are there, well, again, they should bear the brunt of doing what they're not supposed to 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:17.360 do. 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.360 I have to do it. 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.440 Everybody else has to do it. 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.720 So if they're parking in a bike lane, we can widen it out, but then they're just going 00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:27.360 to say, "Hey, I'm just going to stop in the first bike lane. 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.480 I didn't go all the way through the curb." 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:30.480 You know what I mean? 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:35.920 But you start hitting the student where they can't get no piece of, you know, whatever 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:43.400 they spend their money on, and they're going to sink in and say, "Hey, we can't do this." 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:48.560 You know, and if we put up those cones, you can weave in and weave -- trust me, those 00:59:48.560 --> 00:59:51.960 little cones, man, you can get in and out real fast. 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.760 If you put them 40 feet away, they can -- 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:56.760 Right. 00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:57.760 It'll just become a game. 00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:58.760 It'll become -- 00:59:58.760 --> 00:59:59.760 Yeah, you know. 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:00.760 Those little cones. 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:01.760 What do you call those courses? 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.760 Obstacle course. 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.640 But if we do our part to say, "Okay, we're going to do this," then we need an enforcement 01:00:07.640 --> 01:00:13.760 to say, "If we catch you, then you will get a ticket, and you will have to pay, and you 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:19.160 do that to 50 or 60 students that are going to get around the campus," I can almost guarantee 01:00:19.160 --> 01:00:20.160 you that stuff. 01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:23.760 Yeah, that -- it needs to be a two-pronged approach, absolutely. 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:29.960 I know there have been some focused operations where they have given a number of tickets. 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.160 I mean, one issue with universities is the population turns over at least every year, 01:00:35.160 --> 01:00:37.400 and then often each semester, you get turnover. 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:41.360 So you have to do continuous education with that. 01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:47.680 And so part of our thought with this is, you know, one way to get people to obey the speed 01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:53.920 limit is to introduce -- or obey traffic laws is to introduce some sort of a physical element 01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:59.520 that essentially forces them to do so, and then, you know, you're a sleeping policeman, 01:00:59.520 --> 01:01:03.160 if you will. 01:01:03.160 --> 01:01:05.120 And that is what we were trying for here. 01:01:05.120 --> 01:01:12.760 That's what we were trying for, but I agree it would be great to see some more enforcement. 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:13.760 Yeah. 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:20.320 I'd like to say, for the record, that I think people who cycle, their lives are more important 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.280 than the beautification of the campus. 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.480 That's a good way to -- 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:25.480 And it looks fine. 01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:26.480 It looks fine. 01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:27.480 Yeah. 01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:28.480 It's not even cluttering. 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:29.480 It looks totally fine. 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:34.200 Big cities all over have it, and no one ever complains about it or anything. 01:01:34.200 --> 01:01:39.860 But yeah, and if you don't -- so I work right on this strip, and I mean, just -- I mean, 01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:44.400 it shows it there, but if you are going north on this and cars are in the way, you have 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.680 to go into oncoming traffic. 01:01:46.680 --> 01:01:49.720 You have to veer on a bicycle into oncoming traffic. 01:01:49.720 --> 01:01:55.040 So anyways, I usually just sit in front of the cars and beep at them with my imaginary 01:01:55.040 --> 01:01:57.360 horn until they move. 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:02.760 But this is such an easy call, and it's disappointing, I think, because we were told we were finally 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.940 getting a protected bike lane, and I was so excited, and it's falling apart. 01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:12.200 So if there's anything I can do, I'd like to rally the UNT community, because I don't 01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:16.080 know if this represents what the pedestrians and bikers on that campus feel. 01:02:16.080 --> 01:02:19.840 But it's -- as the pictures show, it's been a problem for a long time, and the only way 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.920 to solve it is to make it so you really can't get in and out of those lanes. 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:30.200 Well, in the last semester at UNT, they did start doing through the Traffic Services Department 01:02:30.200 --> 01:02:38.920 a monthly bicycle working group, and faculty and students have been invited. 01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:46.480 I am quite certain that's going to start up again with the new semester. 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:51.800 And so this would be a good topic to bring to that, something I attend. 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:57.480 And anyone out there affiliated with UNT can contact me to find out about it. 01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:07.520 It has to be some determined, if we do what's proposed, it still has to be some determined 01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:11.920 for -- regardless if they're going to be there next year or the year before, there has to 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:19.720 be a standing thing that if you -- if we can't you doing this after us and UNT have worked 01:03:19.720 --> 01:03:26.040 together to make things safer, if we can't you doing this, it has to be some kind of 01:03:26.040 --> 01:03:31.800 you know, to where, hey, you know, we're making it safe, but if you're not going to follow 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:37.920 the safety rules that we're putting in place, right now what's the determent of them just 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:42.040 to keep on doing it, you know, and because of the fact, you know. 01:03:42.040 --> 01:03:43.400 A lot of the kids don't know. 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.440 You know, they get to campus, they don't know any better. 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.200 Some of them have never seen a bike lane before when they get to UNT. 01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:53.200 And so, I mean, this is like -- you know, that's why we should just solve it by rebuilding, 01:03:53.200 --> 01:03:54.200 putting the posts up. 01:03:54.200 --> 01:03:55.200 Yeah. 01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:59.760 Because we can solve everything, right, instead of having to, you know, train everyone on 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.760 how to, you know, address that situation. 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:09.780 Have a police officer out there all the time just put up a deterrent and move on. 01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:12.520 And they -- again, they just don't -- you know, half the time I ride up to them and 01:04:12.520 --> 01:04:13.960 like, hey, you need to move out of this lane. 01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:15.880 They like -- or have no clue what's happening. 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:16.880 Yeah. 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:17.880 You know, they don't know. 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:18.880 They don't know what it looks like. 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:22.400 And so, if we could just -- I just -- if there's anything we can do, I would love to know as 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.960 a UNT faculty member, you know, who's on that campus, what we can do to advocate within 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:31.680 the university to get this flowing again, because it was promising. 01:04:31.680 --> 01:04:32.680 Yeah. 01:04:32.680 --> 01:04:33.680 Yeah. 01:04:33.680 --> 01:04:43.000 Is there -- if their problem is the aesthetics of the whole thing, what about some bolt-down 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:47.480 curbs or concrete that UNT could paint green and white? 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:48.480 Mm-hmm. 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:49.480 Yeah. 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:50.480 Yeah. 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:51.480 They could put some school spirit. 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:52.480 Yeah. 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:53.480 Put a needle on it. 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:54.480 They'll probably put -- you put it up. 01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:55.480 Put a needle on it. 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:56.480 Right. 01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:57.480 You know. 01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:58.480 Just put a bird on it. 01:04:58.480 --> 01:04:59.480 It's fine. 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:00.480 Yeah. 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.480 Or planters or something. 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:02.480 Yeah. 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:03.480 Or, you know, have some art students work on it. 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:04.480 Yeah. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:05.480 Yeah. 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:06.480 Someone runs into it. 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.480 It'll play the school song real loud. 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:08.480 Yeah. 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:09.480 Yeah. 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:10.480 Yeah. 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:11.480 Incentive. 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:12.480 Yeah. 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:13.480 Yeah. 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:14.480 I'm even wondering why Highland has to have two traffic lanes. 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:20.480 You know, Avenue C is down to, you know, one traffic lane per direction. 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:28.200 Belch is going to undergrow a road diet, and it will be also right down to one lane each 01:05:28.200 --> 01:05:29.200 way. 01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:30.200 That's the plan. 01:05:30.200 --> 01:05:36.680 And then why in the world does Highland, as an interiors road, need to be -- have two 01:05:36.680 --> 01:05:37.680 traffic lanes? 01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:40.560 And it generally does not have that much traffic. 01:05:40.560 --> 01:05:41.560 It doesn't. 01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:42.560 And it shouldn't. 01:05:42.560 --> 01:05:43.560 Yeah. 01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:46.720 It's the main detour for the buses. 01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:47.720 A detour, though. 01:05:47.720 --> 01:05:53.440 Or it's our main detour for Discovery Park, a couple other buses, until there's construction 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:54.440 on Hickory. 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:55.440 Okay. 01:05:55.440 --> 01:06:00.000 The other point I want to make is your delineators, they should be the same ones that you're going 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.120 to put on Hickory to make it consistent. 01:06:04.120 --> 01:06:08.680 We've already had that conversation several times about taking the parking off and, you 01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:12.560 know, putting up the delineators, or a coffee. 01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:13.560 Yeah. 01:06:13.560 --> 01:06:14.560 Yeah. 01:06:14.560 --> 01:06:20.880 And to make it consistent throughout the small area, they ought to be the same. 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:21.880 You're saying the same posts? 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:22.880 Yeah. 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:23.880 The same. 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:24.880 Yes. 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:25.880 I agree. 01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:26.880 I think it's a great idea. 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:27.880 Yeah. 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.000 And we are planning for them to be much closer together on Hickory. 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:36.600 It's a little hard to remember because it was a number of months ago, but I think there 01:06:36.600 --> 01:06:40.080 were two things discussed about having both lanes there. 01:06:40.080 --> 01:06:46.920 One of them may have had to do with fire apparatus accessing the area. 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:53.840 There's certain width requirements about that, but I don't recall exactly. 01:06:53.840 --> 01:07:00.840 It's a good question, again, I seem to remember it came up, but I can't recall what the justification 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.680 was for continuing to have both lanes. 01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:12.480 Well, I'm just curious because it shouldn't be a, I mean, if we want to, as we remove 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:20.440 parking from the center of campus, you know, which is a stated goal, we will also be minimizing 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:31.560 traffic in the center of campus, and so the need for the two should minimize. 01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:42.240 I have a card, and our people have left. 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:50.520 They did not wish to speak, but I have a card that, it seems, a tandem card with Tran Templeton. 01:07:50.520 --> 01:07:59.800 Also speaking with Christopher Moffitt, okay, address 321 West Hickory Street, Denton, Texas. 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:05.840 The comment, it was a written comment, it would be negligent, a negligent move for UNT 01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:13.040 and the city of Denton not to do what it possibly can to protect the safety of bike riders in 01:08:13.040 --> 01:08:15.040 around UNT campus. 01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:19.680 Bike riders comprise of faculty, community members, and most importantly, students who 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:24.880 may not own cars or may not be able to afford the exorbitant cost to commute to and park 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.480 on campus. 01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:31.920 We are two faculty members who bike to UNT because it is, one, more affordable than parking 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.440 on campus, two, better for the environment, and three, allows us to be healthier. 01:08:36.440 --> 01:08:41.080 In fact, one reason we moved from New York City to Denton instead of a larger city was 01:08:41.080 --> 01:08:45.760 to be able to move about more easily without the environmental burdens of automobiles. 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:51.100 Denton should be able to make the moves necessary to allow for bikes more easily and to safely 01:08:51.100 --> 01:08:53.480 navigate the city. 01:08:53.480 --> 01:09:01.080 So that was a comment on this item and anything else. 01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:02.080 Clay? 01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:08.520 Is there any renegotiations or are we going back to them for anything? 01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.520 Nothing's scheduled at the moment. 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.200 It's certainly within the realm of the possible. 01:09:14.200 --> 01:09:21.620 I know there are also some asks from UNT to the city for other infrastructure. 01:09:21.620 --> 01:09:27.920 And so there may be the possibility to sort of, I'll scratch your back if you scratch 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:32.480 mine, kind of deal. 01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:33.840 So some horse trading to do. 01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:42.880 Yeah, but I do think the first, I will bring this up as the topic in our first UNT bicycle, 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:52.880 what's the, I can't remember the formal name of it, but the bicycle steering group that 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:53.880 meets monthly. 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.720 I'll bring it up. 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:59.080 Can we get that, can you send us that information for that? 01:09:59.080 --> 01:10:00.080 Yeah, yeah. 01:10:00.080 --> 01:10:04.200 And then if you could send us any contact information for the people who would be the 01:10:04.200 --> 01:10:07.800 best to contact on this issue, both at UNT and the city. 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:08.800 Okay. 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:09.800 Appreciate that. 01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:10.800 Thank you so much. 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:24.480 Okay, anybody else have anything on this issue? 01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:28.560 All right, in that case, thank you, Mark. 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:36.720 That brings us to TSC 19-041, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding 01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.480 the treatment of uncontrolled intersections within the city of Denton. 01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:46.760 Good evening, Brian Yahn, city traffic engineer and your staff liaison. 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:55.040 So I want to talk a little bit about uncontrolled intersections, and the first step is to define 01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:56.260 an uncontrolled intersection. 01:10:56.260 --> 01:11:01.160 So an uncontrolled intersection is anything, any intersection that doesn't have a sign 01:11:01.160 --> 01:11:06.120 or pavement markings to designate who has the right of way, and we have a lot of these 01:11:06.120 --> 01:11:07.120 in town. 01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:10.180 So you have three-way intersections, you have four-way intersections that don't have a stop 01:11:10.180 --> 01:11:13.800 sign, a yield sign, a stop bar, a center line. 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:19.160 It's just two roads of the same size that meet. 01:11:19.160 --> 01:11:22.440 So next question is, who has the right of way, and the state defines who has the right 01:11:22.440 --> 01:11:30.080 of way, and you can read this, but basically, in a nutshell, it's whoever gets there first. 01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:33.680 And if you get there at the same time, it's the person to the right, with the exception 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:38.760 of if you're at a T-intersection, then the person on the street that ends never has the 01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:40.100 right of way. 01:11:40.100 --> 01:11:44.320 Always has to yield to the major street that's through. 01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:47.360 Same thing. 01:11:47.360 --> 01:11:50.160 So the city of Denton, so what's our current policy? 01:11:50.160 --> 01:11:58.160 And this is the ordinance perspective, and it says that I have the ability to determine 01:11:58.160 --> 01:12:02.200 that any intersection in the city should or can be stop controlled. 01:12:02.200 --> 01:12:07.280 Now, that can be side street stop or always stop, and once I determine it's going to be 01:12:07.280 --> 01:12:12.280 a stop control and which street's going to stop, I have to erect signs and post that 01:12:12.280 --> 01:12:14.680 so people can visually see it. 01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:18.360 And then it goes on to say who has the right of way, which basically is the same as what 01:12:18.360 --> 01:12:24.200 the state of Texas has identified. 01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:33.240 So to further that, the city has taken the stance, and I don't know when this started, 01:12:33.240 --> 01:12:37.880 but it's been a while because we've actually gone through a program of removing stop signs 01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:42.320 at certain intersections where we didn't think that they needed to have stop control or right 01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:43.880 of way designation. 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:51.560 But the city's policy is not to install stop signs unless we have crash history or if one 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:59.520 of the streets has significantly higher traffic volume or there's some sight distance issues. 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:05.480 So we've got some thresholds that we have to meet relative to traffic volume, but basically 01:13:05.480 --> 01:13:10.540 our knee-jerk reaction is, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and we don't need a stop 01:13:10.540 --> 01:13:15.560 sign. 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:22.200 Personal opinion, this leads to driver confusion and crash experience. 01:13:22.200 --> 01:13:29.080 So we've got several requests on the table before I got here and since I arrived, people 01:13:29.080 --> 01:13:34.560 requesting stop signs at tees or some kind of stop control at four-way intersections 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:35.560 that don't have anything. 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:43.480 So what we are looking for, and this is kind of an informational, we have a staff recommendation, 01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:47.680 we have a plan moving forward, what I'd like to do today is tell you what that is. 01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.360 And if you want to discuss that, we can, and if you want to dig in further, we can bring 01:13:51.360 --> 01:13:54.800 it back at a later date and talk further. 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.520 I just wanted to kind of broach the subject. 01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:00.200 If you'll remember, let me step back a little bit. 01:14:00.200 --> 01:14:04.940 And again, an opportune, we had the discussion earlier today about Dutchess, and we didn't 01:14:04.940 --> 01:14:09.200 bring that to you because ordinance already said if you can't provide 10 feet of travel 01:14:09.200 --> 01:14:13.960 in each direction with on-street parking, you can't have on-street parking. 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:18.120 So we brought an informational item to you that says look, if the ordinance already says 01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:21.880 that we have the right to do this, we're going to do this, if we take action, we're going 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.120 to bring it to you as an informational item, which is what we did tonight for Dutchess, 01:14:26.120 --> 01:14:27.640 and this is what we're proposing here. 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:34.200 The ordinance already gives us the ability to designate stop control, whether it be side 01:14:34.200 --> 01:14:39.840 street stop, or two-way stop, or a four-way stop, and move forward through the installation 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:41.240 of signs and enacting that. 01:14:41.240 --> 01:14:44.960 So I'm here to tell you, we're going to do that. 01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:50.520 We're going to start installing stop signs at uncontrolled intersections to designate 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.280 who has the right of way. 01:14:52.280 --> 01:14:57.440 Because as a driver, you're driving along and you're passing intersection after intersection 01:14:57.440 --> 01:15:03.240 and you don't have a stop sign, why would you think that you need to stop and yield 01:15:03.240 --> 01:15:05.200 to somebody who's crossing? 01:15:05.200 --> 01:15:09.320 Most likely you're going to go, you idiot, didn't you see me coming? 01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:11.240 I don't have a stop sign, I don't have to yield. 01:15:11.240 --> 01:15:15.700 So what we're trying to do is just give drivers visual cue. 01:15:15.700 --> 01:15:19.200 If you're on the lower, and this is our typical approach, is going to be on the lower volume 01:15:19.200 --> 01:15:26.000 street or the one that has the least reach, as we call it, is going to get the stop. 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:33.200 And in certain cases, if we have sight distance, we can reverse that or place an all-way stop, 01:15:33.200 --> 01:15:39.200 but we're really going to try and just dedicate or designate right of way to one street or 01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:40.200 the other. 01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:41.200 So there's no confusion. 01:15:41.200 --> 01:15:42.880 If you don't see a stop sign, you don't have to stop. 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:44.920 If you do, you have to stop. 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:54.680 So moving forward, we will be installing stop signs on the lesser of the two on a four-way 01:15:54.680 --> 01:16:00.680 or and we will also begin installing, reinstalling, perhaps again, we've had a policy 20 years 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.840 ago that we installed these on T's and then we had an era where we started to remove them 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.720 and now we're, you know, the pendulum's swinging the other way. 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:12.680 This is my fourth city and I've installed stop signs on T's and all four of them. 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:17.920 Just because the law says you have to stop doesn't mean people remember that or that 01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:19.560 they actually stop. 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:26.560 And it's a lot easier for a citation to be issued if there's a sign that says stop than 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:33.400 if there's not because a lot of police are hesitant to issue a citation if there's no 01:16:33.400 --> 01:16:35.400 sign supporting it. 01:16:35.400 --> 01:16:38.200 If the no parking signs are too far apart, you can't see them. 01:16:38.200 --> 01:16:39.200 I parked right here. 01:16:39.200 --> 01:16:40.200 I can't see it. 01:16:40.200 --> 01:16:41.200 No parking sign. 01:16:41.200 --> 01:16:42.200 They won't issue that citation. 01:16:42.200 --> 01:16:46.720 If there's no stop sign, there's really, you know, some cases there may not be a citation 01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:47.720 to issue. 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:51.480 If you're on a four-way intersection and you have a crash, well, who's at fault? 01:16:51.480 --> 01:16:55.120 Well, the police officer doesn't know because he wasn't there. 01:16:55.120 --> 01:16:56.680 And neither has a stop sign. 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.760 So it's a little bit, again, leads to that driver confusion. 01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:04.600 We're just trying to establish some consistency, which is another thing. 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:08.520 We have uncontrolled intersections in one subdivision. 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.000 The subdivision next to it, all the side streets have stops. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.500 We don't have any uncontrolled. 01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:18.040 So we're trying to bring that element of consistency into the driver expectations and what they 01:17:18.040 --> 01:17:19.720 see on a day-to-day basis. 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:23.680 If you're in an area that you're not familiar with, it really helps to have some kind of 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:26.040 guidance on, hey, I'm coming up to a street. 01:17:26.040 --> 01:17:29.100 I need to stop because there's a stop sign because they're not going to stop. 01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:33.960 It's a major street or it carries more traffic or it's faster or whatever reason. 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:37.460 But that's why we're doing what we're doing. 01:17:37.460 --> 01:17:40.180 So with that, some discussion. 01:17:40.180 --> 01:17:44.200 And if you want to change that, then we can bring that back because we really didn't give 01:17:44.200 --> 01:17:47.600 you an opportunity because this is one of those things where the ordinance already gives 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:49.360 us the ability to do this. 01:17:49.360 --> 01:17:52.200 And if we don't want to do, if we want to change that, then we might have to actually 01:17:52.200 --> 01:17:53.980 go through an ordinance modification. 01:17:53.980 --> 01:17:57.960 So questions or discussion? 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:02.400 This kind of goes back to what I asked some time ago about if you already have the authority 01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:03.400 to do it. 01:18:03.400 --> 01:18:04.400 Why don't you just do it? 01:18:04.400 --> 01:18:06.800 Thank you for bringing the information to us. 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:14.000 I would request that as you get these done, you present these to us also so we know what's 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:15.000 going on. 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:20.440 And to follow up on that, what notice will be given to citizens in those neighborhoods? 01:18:20.440 --> 01:18:25.080 So right now, the way we plan to take this down, and we've actually, I think we probably 01:18:25.080 --> 01:18:26.080 already scheduled one. 01:18:26.080 --> 01:18:31.120 We had a hot intersection that came through at 14 yet Dogwood. 01:18:31.120 --> 01:18:33.560 And I think we may have already put up the side street stop. 01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:36.560 But we're going to take these down subdivision at a time. 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:38.520 So we're not going to do onesie twosie. 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:42.280 If we're going to go in and put, and I've already got my team looking at the rest of 01:18:42.280 --> 01:18:49.240 that neighborhood, we're going to approach the neighborhood as a whole, either flyers 01:18:49.240 --> 01:18:55.120 or door hangers or something to indicate that this is coming to your community. 01:18:55.120 --> 01:19:00.080 Every intersection that isn't controlled will be, either whether it be a T or in our four-way. 01:19:00.080 --> 01:19:02.040 You're going to see stop signs. 01:19:02.040 --> 01:19:06.360 And we'll have a layout of where we're going to put them. 01:19:06.360 --> 01:19:07.720 We're not asking for permission. 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:10.800 It's just notification because this is a safety issue. 01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:16.560 So anything that's life safety typically will take action based on engineering judgment. 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:19.680 And if we have some severe pushback, we can tweak. 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:23.320 But we're not really asking for permission to install the stop signs. 01:19:23.320 --> 01:19:27.840 So we're planning on taking it out, subdivision at a time, neighborhood at a time. 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.040 So we may do 20, we may do 10, we may do 40. 01:19:31.040 --> 01:19:32.700 But that's how we're going to take them down. 01:19:32.700 --> 01:19:34.760 And it's just going to be as budget allows. 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:36.040 We've got a new fiscal year coming up. 01:19:36.040 --> 01:19:37.640 So that's good. 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:41.680 Starting October 1, we're going to start looking at how we're going to approach and where we're 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:43.840 going to start and how we're going to proceed. 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:49.240 Yeah, I just think it's appropriate to let the citizens know because everybody gets into 01:19:49.240 --> 01:19:50.240 a habit. 01:19:50.240 --> 01:19:51.240 Sure. 01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:55.480 And that habit is driving down and where did that sign come from? 01:19:55.480 --> 01:19:58.160 Yeah, I've been driving this road for 20 years and I've never had to stop. 01:19:58.160 --> 01:19:59.160 Exactly. 01:19:59.160 --> 01:20:00.160 So I think we owe it to them. 01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:01.160 Yeah. 01:20:01.160 --> 01:20:02.160 Totally. 01:20:02.160 --> 01:20:03.160 I understand and agree. 01:20:03.160 --> 01:20:04.160 Yeah. 01:20:04.160 --> 01:20:07.960 Will you need to be doing any traffic flow studies on any of these intersections? 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:09.160 We'll be doing some data collection. 01:20:09.160 --> 01:20:13.920 Now some of it's a little bit easier, obviously the T's, those are easy. 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:18.560 And some of them where we have a cross street that goes two blocks in each direction versus 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.240 a cross street that goes 12 blocks in each direction, we know which one is the major. 01:20:23.240 --> 01:20:29.820 And unless we have some site distance limitations or some other really strong motivation to 01:20:29.820 --> 01:20:33.360 reverse it, we're going to go with the one that makes the most sense. 01:20:33.360 --> 01:20:34.360 Okay. 01:20:34.360 --> 01:20:35.840 Thank you. 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:41.120 Yeah, you're preaching to the choir with this one, so we like that. 01:20:41.120 --> 01:20:42.120 Okay. 01:20:42.120 --> 01:20:43.120 Thank you. 01:20:43.120 --> 01:20:44.120 All right. 01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:50.720 And that brings us to TSC 19-042, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:54.720 regarding the bond committee ballot proposal package inclusions. 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:55.720 Okay. 01:20:55.720 --> 01:21:00.720 So this one I've got to actually go. 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:22.880 Because I didn't load it. 01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:28.880 This is the one on the bond where we've got some opportunities and some exciting news. 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:51.720 Okay, I'm just going to leave it like this for now. 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:52.720 Okay. 01:21:52.720 --> 01:22:02.600 So is everybody familiar with the special, what is this, special citizens bond committee? 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:06.240 Okay. 01:22:06.240 --> 01:22:12.880 So this was established to vet from a citizen standpoint, the propositions for the upcoming 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:17.160 2019 bond, the November election, and what elements would be included. 01:22:17.160 --> 01:22:18.160 We've got the three. 01:22:18.160 --> 01:22:23.320 We have public safety, major roadway, which includes some local streets, parks and open 01:22:23.320 --> 01:22:28.200 space and two other categories that are really, I think, very pertinent to us in that sidewalks 01:22:28.200 --> 01:22:29.680 and street lights. 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:34.880 And so this is with one modification that I'll explain in a minute. 01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:38.800 This is the proposition that's moving forward, or this is the bond package that's moving 01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:39.800 forward. 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:41.980 Proposition one is public safety. 01:22:41.980 --> 01:22:49.200 So we've got the renovation of the PD facility, there's a substation, and then fire station 01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:51.160 eight has been subsequently been replaced. 01:22:51.160 --> 01:22:55.840 They're going to fund that in another way because it's ready to go faster than this 01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:56.840 bond election. 01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:00.040 They put the PD firing range in there. 01:23:00.040 --> 01:23:08.920 What's most important to us is prop two and that's, I can't see that. 01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:14.840 We've got Bonnie Bray, Hickory and Ryan, as you can't see this right in here that says 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:19.800 Ryan Road, that are some major reconstruction projects and realignments. 01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:24.260 And then we've got the street rehab, which is really your neighborhood street program. 01:23:24.260 --> 01:23:27.160 And then street lights and sidewalks. 01:23:27.160 --> 01:23:34.600 So Bonnie Bray, this is phase five, six and seven, which is the areas north towards where 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:45.560 the new high school is going in, and these are, again, they're funding $27 million. 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:50.400 The cost is $111 million, this is that we're planning on leveraging these funds with COG 01:23:50.400 --> 01:23:54.840 to get the project completed. 01:23:54.840 --> 01:24:00.800 Hickory Creek, this is another one that's been around for a while, I guess, and has 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.520 moved forward very, very quickly. 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:03.520 Yes. 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:05.920 Can I ask you a question about the previous Bonnie Bray? 01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:06.920 Yeah. 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:08.960 So it's widening the street. 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:16.280 Is there, what's being done for, is it sidewalks and I'm guessing there's no bike considerations 01:24:16.280 --> 01:24:17.280 here? 01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:20.400 I believe on Bonnie Bray we're putting side paths. 01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:25.840 So typically on our, the approach that the city has taken is when you've got a high volume 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:32.240 or high speed roadway, four to six lanes wide, on street facility is really not the best 01:24:32.240 --> 01:24:33.240 way to go. 01:24:33.240 --> 01:24:37.760 The hardcore riders are going to ride where they want to ride, but the general public 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:42.340 really isn't comfortable and probably isn't safe riding on street. 01:24:42.340 --> 01:24:44.280 We'd rather have them in a shared path. 01:24:44.280 --> 01:24:49.400 This goes back to the argument about sharing sidewalks and bicycles, but if you make them 01:24:49.400 --> 01:24:57.520 10 to 12 feet wide, you should have adequate room to stripe a bike lane and sidewalk. 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:04.960 So the argument is, in that case, if you look at collisions, the collision of a cyclist 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:10.880 in a car has a pretty sure outcome. 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:17.600 Somebody's going to get seriously injured or die and if you have a crash between a pedestrian 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:24.600 and a cyclist, you probably have a pretty sure outcome that somebody might get hurt, 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:25.840 but probably nobody's going to die. 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:31.880 I don't know of one fatality, and that was on White Rock Lake in Dallas, where the cyclists 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:40.240 go about 60 miles an hour, and so typically it's a hazard exposure. 01:25:40.240 --> 01:25:44.720 The exposure is less between cyclists and pedestrians than it is between cyclists and 01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:45.720 vehicles. 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:46.720 It just is. 01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:52.120 And so if we'd rather have the cyclists, again, they're still legally able, cyclists 01:25:52.120 --> 01:25:56.120 are legally able to ride in the street, but we want to provide that alternative for the 01:25:56.120 --> 01:25:59.320 non-aggressive cyclist or the recreational cyclist. 01:25:59.320 --> 01:26:02.040 Do we know, is that for sure built into the plan? 01:26:02.040 --> 01:26:03.040 I'd have to go back and look. 01:26:03.040 --> 01:26:10.520 This thing is a moving target, but my understanding is that it's been the idea, the concept all 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:11.520 along. 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.400 The alignment keeps moving, too, so that's always interesting. 01:26:14.400 --> 01:26:19.280 The picture here makes it look that way, that four-lane, because it's got a bike lane, two 01:26:19.280 --> 01:26:24.200 cars, and a pedestrian, is that actually representative? 01:26:24.200 --> 01:26:25.200 I'd have to go back. 01:26:25.200 --> 01:26:29.200 These are not my slides, so I'm borrowing this, but the last I heard was we were going 01:26:29.200 --> 01:26:33.480 to go with an off-street facility for Bonnie Brake. 01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:34.480 No. 01:26:34.480 --> 01:26:35.480 No bike lanes. 01:26:35.480 --> 01:26:36.480 No. 01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:40.720 The last cross-section I saw, engineering designs, was four lanes of traffic and then 01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.800 the wide sidewalks, so. 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:49.240 Yeah, that can't be Bonnie Brake, because there's not 40-foot setbacks for those buildings, 01:26:49.240 --> 01:26:56.040 but the one thing that's really important here is how we connect what's the whole new 01:26:56.040 --> 01:27:00.160 area with the Alamo draft house and everything, because even though that's been built with 01:27:00.160 --> 01:27:03.960 essentially more suburban design, which I think was a huge oversight, especially since 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:08.280 they're building a lot of housing, it's probably predictable that some UNT students are going 01:27:08.280 --> 01:27:11.520 to live in those brand-new apartments there and find their way. 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:14.800 It's only about a mile and a half to campus, so I'm guessing not every one of them is going 01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:18.800 to do a car, so I think having those connected, in a way, and we're off to a bad start with 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:23.840 the design of that whole development, but thinking how do we make a throughway for cyclists 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:29.080 and pedestrians, I think if we can keep an eye on that, that could potentially prevent 01:27:29.080 --> 01:27:33.780 us having to do what we've been doing, is trying to make up 50 years of bad design. 01:27:33.780 --> 01:27:38.280 So I know we've talked about the mobility plan update, but that's a key component, is 01:27:38.280 --> 01:27:44.720 the bicycle connectivity, and it's really, really, it's hand in glove with, you know, 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:45.720 it's really all modes. 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:48.800 It's pedestrian, it's cyclists, it's transit, it's vehicles. 01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:51.440 We're really pushing for a more connected network. 01:27:51.440 --> 01:27:52.440 Yeah. 01:27:52.440 --> 01:27:54.120 I just, I don't know why the buildings were designed that way. 01:27:54.120 --> 01:27:55.620 I wish we could have gone back to that. 01:27:55.620 --> 01:27:59.200 I mean, Alamo Drafthouse, there's no sidewalks anywhere. 01:27:59.200 --> 01:28:00.600 You just have to walk through. 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:01.600 So if you're going to-- 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.600 It's all just a giant parking lot. 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:06.920 Which, yeah, just a giant parking lot with apartments, and it just like blows the mind, 01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:10.840 because we know this stuff, and it just keeps happening anyway, so. 01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:13.840 But I know as a, I don't have a car, if anyone knows. 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.440 I ride my bike everywhere, so it's all I experience. 01:28:16.440 --> 01:28:20.040 I've wanted to go there, but I've not, even me, I'm a pretty brave biker. 01:28:20.040 --> 01:28:24.760 I've felt like that's too big of an adventure even for me to make my way over to Alamo on 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:25.760 a bike. 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:27.480 So I hope that this fixes that. 01:28:27.480 --> 01:28:28.480 That'd be great. 01:28:28.480 --> 01:28:29.480 Right. 01:28:29.480 --> 01:28:30.480 Thank you. 01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:31.480 Yeah. 01:28:31.480 --> 01:28:32.480 And that goes back to the accident. 01:28:32.480 --> 01:28:42.040 You got some businesses, that's right off of 35, restaurants, Alamo Drafthouse, and another 01:28:42.040 --> 01:28:49.040 way to get there, if you're walking or biking, is to ride down 35, if you're on a service 01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:50.800 road or not. 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:56.760 So that can be where it is, somebody's trying to get somewhere, where there is no bike path, 01:28:56.760 --> 01:29:04.640 walk path, sidewalk, on the side of 35, to these businesses, that you come in contact 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.680 with other vehicles. 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:15.760 What you're saying goes all the way back to the accident that I grabbed that we showed. 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:20.840 So a little bit of history, I worked for the city of Carrollton in the '90s, and TechStat 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.320 would not allow us to build a sidewalk on their furniture. 01:29:24.320 --> 01:29:27.720 Not only would they not do it themselves, they would not let us do it. 01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:33.760 So we've had a full 180 from TechStat, and I applaud them for that, it's about time of 01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.800 proactively including sidewalks in their projects. 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:44.960 We've got a lot of projects on 35, that would be a good presentation for this group, but 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:49.960 where sidewalks are actually incorporated, and they're wider, they're 8 to 10 foot sidewalks. 01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:55.760 So we're moving in the right direction, again, as Mark said, we simply can't do everything 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:56.760 at once. 01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:01.840 So we're trying to prioritize and work with our funding partners like TechStat and COG 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:06.920 to identify the pots of money, and it's on us to prioritize a lot of the stuff that's 01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:08.160 really in the city purviews. 01:30:08.160 --> 01:30:11.600 And so that's an exercise that we'll be undertaking. 01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:19.640 Okay, so Hickory Creek, this has been pushed forward, there was a fatality I think earlier 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.600 this year, and so it got a lot of traction. 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:31.420 The proposal now is to take it all the way to 35 with design, and then we're gonna construct 01:30:31.420 --> 01:30:43.560 phase one from 2499 to 1830 as either a three lane section or as a four lane divided section. 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:48.440 So the amount of funding, I think they're putting 34 million dollars in, that'll get 01:30:48.440 --> 01:30:50.440 us a three lane section. 01:30:50.440 --> 01:30:56.920 If we can partner with the COG and leverage those funds to get the additional 160 million 01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:01.360 or the 140 million, then we can take it all the way to 35. 01:31:01.360 --> 01:31:10.000 So this is a key project to provide some needed mobility with bicycle, again, this is one 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:15.880 that'll have a side path, not an on street facility, to get some key mobility east-west 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.660 in the southern part of town. 01:31:17.660 --> 01:31:25.880 So again, moving forward, we've got, this'll be again on the 19 bond election in November 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:31.040 for 34 million, but we've already had discussions with COG on finding where we can leverage 01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:34.600 that to cover the rest of the cost. 01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:35.600 So this is the street. 01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:36.600 Question. 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:37.600 Yes. 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.560 When you, is the bridge included in that? 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:41.560 Yes. 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:45.600 So the original plan, if we're stuck with the 34 million dollars, then we're gonna do 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:50.960 a three lane bridge, and we'll do our three lane roadway. 01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:55.680 If we get the additional money, then we'll do six lane, we'll do two three lane bridges 01:31:55.680 --> 01:32:01.060 or one six lane bridge, but we'll probably only build four lanes of roadway. 01:32:01.060 --> 01:32:04.080 With the expansion, the bridges are the expensive piece. 01:32:04.080 --> 01:32:08.120 We'll already have the limitations, the hard part done. 01:32:08.120 --> 01:32:13.860 If we ever need to expand the roadway to six lanes, the bridges won't have to be reconstructed. 01:32:13.860 --> 01:32:18.960 So if it's just the city funding, the 34, then you'll see a three lane roadway with 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:20.960 a single three lane bridge. 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:28.400 If it's a leverage project where we get COG money or tech stock funding, then we'll see 01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:32.400 larger bridges, but maybe only a four lane roadway. 01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:36.560 We'll make sure you build it high enough so it doesn't flood. 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.480 Will do. 01:32:39.480 --> 01:32:46.080 So the neighborhood street program, they have, they looked at two different approaches, they're 01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:54.560 doing a hybrid where they're looking at the lowest OCI and then at a grouping so that 01:32:54.560 --> 01:33:02.280 you find kind of a heat map of your lowest OCI, and then you pick a couple of those groupings 01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:08.820 and then you do the neighborhoods around them so that you're not constructing these lowest, 01:33:08.820 --> 01:33:12.740 and then next year you're constructing the next lowest, which just happened to be adjacent 01:33:12.740 --> 01:33:13.740 to those. 01:33:13.740 --> 01:33:17.200 So you try to get all that pain of construction done in one time, you don't have to come back 01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:23.800 for 20, 30 years, get your street and your sewer and your water all done at one time. 01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:30.440 So we're trying to partner with our city, other city partners, the storm water and the 01:33:30.440 --> 01:33:32.800 water and wastewater groups. 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.600 If we're going to go in and rebuild these streets, let's make sure that everything under 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.060 them is done and then we don't have to come back. 01:33:38.060 --> 01:33:42.080 So it's kind of, rather than do the shotgun, which is the lowest, the worst streets in 01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:47.880 town and they're everywhere, we're going to say, "Okay, we're going to take the lowest, 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:51.640 we've got a good grouping here and a good grouping here and a good grouping here and 01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:54.840 we're going to build on those groupings and extend that a little bit so that we can cover 01:33:54.840 --> 01:34:00.240 entire neighborhoods versus just the lowest OCI streets." 01:34:00.240 --> 01:34:05.160 So OCI, what's OCI? 01:34:05.160 --> 01:34:08.920 It's basically a street quality index and I forget the acronym because I use a different 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.840 one in Fort Worth, but it's a, does anybody know? 01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:13.840 Okay. 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:18.500 It's basically, it's a pavement quality index and do you have a lot of failures? 01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:19.500 Is it heaving? 01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:21.040 Is it washboard? 01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:23.900 It's really the quality of the pavement and it's expected life. 01:34:23.900 --> 01:34:30.560 So typically if you've got, I think 20 or lower is what we're shooting for out of 100. 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.560 So you get a 20 out of 100, it's probably in pretty bad shape and then we'll find those 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:40.720 groupings and that's kind of what this heat map show, oh sorry, that's the wrong one. 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:45.780 We'll find those groupings and build larger projects around them to use up the entire 01:34:45.780 --> 01:34:49.060 amount of funding. 01:34:49.060 --> 01:34:50.060 Overall condition index. 01:34:50.060 --> 01:34:54.720 See, I told you it's a quality pavement quality index. 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:58.740 Now this is another, this is one that's really pertinent to this group and that sidewalks. 01:34:58.740 --> 01:35:05.920 So right now they're proposing $12 million, focusing on safe route to school and I would 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:12.440 and I've talked with Todd, I'd like to take part of this and partner with his neighborhood 01:35:12.440 --> 01:35:16.680 rehab because as part of his neighborhood rehab, when he rebuilds the street, they're 01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.880 not putting in sidewalks and they're not repairing sidewalks and I'd like the opportunity. 01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:26.200 If we're really going to go in and not touch it again for 20 years, we have a lot of neighborhoods 01:35:26.200 --> 01:35:34.860 and I would venture to guess that if they've got a low overall index, quality index, they 01:35:34.860 --> 01:35:40.200 probably were built in an era when we didn't require sidewalks or the sidewalks are haphazard 01:35:40.200 --> 01:35:41.360 or in bad repair. 01:35:41.360 --> 01:35:48.200 So I'd like to talk to our capital projects group about blending some of that sidewalk 01:35:48.200 --> 01:35:51.080 money into those street programs as well. 01:35:51.080 --> 01:35:53.780 I think that makes a lot of sense. 01:35:53.780 --> 01:36:02.560 So again, $12 million in city funding through NCTCOG and TxDOT call for projects relative 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:10.540 to safe route to school, we think we can bump that up to 18 to 20. 01:36:10.540 --> 01:36:11.640 It takes that much. 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:23.160 We did seven schools in Fort Worth with our 2018 bond and it's roughly one to $1.2 million 01:36:23.160 --> 01:36:26.720 per school and that's only going out of quarter mile. 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.840 If you're focusing on neighborhoods that don't have sidewalk, a sidewalk is terribly expensive. 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:31.840 It just is. 01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:45.280 I was going to say that actually all the elementary schools in Denton are Title I. 01:36:45.280 --> 01:36:50.720 So you might be able to get some community development block grant money with that as 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:51.720 well. 01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:57.760 We're looking at some CDBG sidewalk money for other projects, but yes we will look for 01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:59.720 partnering and leveraging there. 01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:04.880 And so just FYI, the safe route to school only applies to elementary and middle. 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:08.200 So high schools are not eligible for SRTS funding. 01:37:08.200 --> 01:37:11.760 So that's on us and that's why we can't use all of this for safe route money. 01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:19.640 We've got to reserve some for just general sidewalk needs, ADA compliance issues, and 01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:23.560 I hope some neighborhood rehab elements. 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:24.800 Can I ask a question on that? 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:25.800 Sure. 01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:27.880 So obviously you just answered my question about Geyer. 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:31.280 I know they're doing a lot of construction out there on that road right now. 01:37:31.280 --> 01:37:34.160 I mean I assume that they're putting in sidewalk with that construction? 01:37:34.160 --> 01:37:37.040 As far as I know, yes they are. 01:37:37.040 --> 01:37:46.800 So my understanding, and again I've been here two months now, and this is I think typical, 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:52.320 but any new project, if it's new construction or widening, we will be including pad and 01:37:52.320 --> 01:37:54.120 bike facilities. 01:37:54.120 --> 01:38:01.680 And relative to the road diet question earlier, when we do repaving or resurfacing, where 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:06.760 we end up after the first phase where the street crews come through, where the contractor 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:11.800 comes through and we've got this blank canvas, we're always looking for opportunities to 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:19.280 incorporate bike facilities, crosswalk facilities, more bike and ped elements, even if it means 01:38:19.280 --> 01:38:21.960 losing a general purpose traveling. 01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:27.360 So the example of Highland is a good one. 01:38:27.360 --> 01:38:33.640 If we were repaving that, then we would look at okay, what is really the traffic need and 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:39.280 what are the ped and bike needs, and maybe we do have some, I know this is maybe taboo 01:38:39.280 --> 01:38:44.680 in some places, but we reintroduce on-street parking, and it's short-term, it's not really 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:49.280 for students, it's one hour, two hours, turnovers for the businesses or the pick-up and drop-off 01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:55.000 or I just need to run in and do something, but if you're removing a lot of your inner 01:38:55.000 --> 01:39:01.260 campus parking, there may be an increased need for some high turnover parking spaces. 01:39:01.260 --> 01:39:06.720 So that's, again, any time we look at repaving where we've got a blank canvas at the end 01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:11.480 of the day, we're always looking for opportunities to right-size that, whether it be adding bike 01:39:11.480 --> 01:39:19.120 lanes or narrowing travel lanes, that type of thing. 01:39:19.120 --> 01:39:31.360 So street lighting, we've got, so DME's got a $4 million grant or $5 million grant, they've 01:39:31.360 --> 01:39:38.760 got funds right now, and we're proposing an additional seven for some street lighting. 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:44.840 This is primarily focused on University Drive, but we're also gonna look at, I'm hoping 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:50.520 that we have some cost savings in here because we're looking at some residential infill. 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:57.000 Again, going back with those neighborhood street projects, it's just, it's typical 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:01.400 wherever you've got streets that are 30, 40 years old, they're in bad shape, they're 01:40:01.400 --> 01:40:04.880 probably in neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks, that have really poor lighting, 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:11.320 and so we'd like to take some of this money and maybe fold that into at least a pilot 01:40:11.320 --> 01:40:15.560 project where we show what we, you know, what benefits can be gained by putting back in 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:19.840 some low-level or some taller street lights. 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.400 I'd like to bring some pedestrian lighting into some of these neighborhoods. 01:40:22.400 --> 01:40:25.960 I think that's a key, so that's kind of where we're headed with the bond. 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:30.880 Pedestrian lighting is, I think, huge. 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:36.120 One of my big complaints is the lighting that is so far in the sky that, really, what's 01:40:36.120 --> 01:40:37.120 it for? 01:40:37.120 --> 01:40:38.120 Right. 01:40:38.120 --> 01:40:43.440 And it doesn't contribute to the Dark Skies program, which I know that, you know, Clay 01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:48.240 will also back me up on the importance of dark skies. 01:40:48.240 --> 01:40:53.200 So the, and I've only been in one meeting, but the DME project where they're buying a 01:40:53.200 --> 01:41:02.320 smart system, which you'll be able to dim and control every fixture in town, basically, 01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:09.720 dimmable LEDs and, again, the right, you know, no blue light, and so, again, working towards 01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:12.320 the Dark Sky Initiative requirements. 01:41:12.320 --> 01:41:13.840 So that's coming. 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:20.120 I mean, we're headed that way, and your statement about the lights is so high. 01:41:20.120 --> 01:41:24.200 Specifically, it's above the tree line, so it's, you're in shadow, you know, if you're 01:41:24.200 --> 01:41:25.200 on the sidewalk. 01:41:25.200 --> 01:41:27.000 So we're trying to bring some of that down. 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:33.400 We're even looking at some dual-function uprights where you've got the street light 01:41:33.400 --> 01:41:37.040 towards the street, and then you've got a pad light on the backside for the sidewalk. 01:41:37.040 --> 01:41:41.200 So you've got only one pole, but two fixtures. 01:41:41.200 --> 01:41:44.760 That'd be nice, yeah. 01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:46.640 One of the last projects is Ryan Road. 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:53.240 Now, this was to be a four-lane divided facility, but with the inclusion of the Hickory Creek 01:41:53.240 --> 01:42:01.260 extension all the way to 35, the consultants that we hired have indicated that we probably 01:42:01.260 --> 01:42:08.280 don't need to take this. 01:42:08.280 --> 01:42:12.840 So there was going to be an extension across this floodplain to tie into vintage, and that 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:16.840 would be a very expensive crossing because it's all, it would be almost all structured. 01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:24.720 And so with the onset or the inclusion of the Hickory Creek project on the 2019 bond, 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:27.440 this is going to, Ryan Road's going to be downsized, and what we're looking at now is 01:42:27.440 --> 01:42:34.720 a three-lane section with the side paths at least on one side, if not both. 01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:36.840 So we're moving forward with that as well. 01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:41.760 Again, the funding is limited, it's $4 million, but we've got some development partners that 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:42.760 are coming in. 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.720 There's a lot of activity on Ryan right now. 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:50.600 We'll be taking their impact fee money, either augmenting or allowing them to build portions 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:51.600 of that three-lane section. 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.880 So when you say side paths, do you mean sidewalks? 01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:57.380 Well, it's the 10- to 12-foot sidewalk. 01:42:57.380 --> 01:43:06.960 So it's a shared path for cyclists and pedestrians. 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:14.360 So this is going to go to council tomorrow for, I guess, kind of finalizing. 01:43:14.360 --> 01:43:18.760 They had a work session last week where they talked about all the different propositions, 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:22.800 and that's when they switched the firing range with the fire station. 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:28.520 And then I guess they're going to call the election in August, and then it's set for 01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:29.520 November 5th. 01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.040 And so we're all fingers crossed hoping this passes. 01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:34.040 It's got a lot of support. 01:43:34.040 --> 01:43:37.580 We've got a really, really good chance. 01:43:37.580 --> 01:43:40.040 They did break out one of the other changes. 01:43:40.040 --> 01:43:47.320 I'm not sure that it really is terribly pertinent, but they pulled the public art piece out to 01:43:47.320 --> 01:43:53.520 its own proposition, and the park open space acquisition, land acquisition, is its own 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:54.520 proposition. 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:58.520 So they pulled that, so it was a combination into two individual props. 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:05.080 Again, I think the thinking was so they could use the public art money everywhere and not 01:44:05.080 --> 01:44:08.080 just in a park. 01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:11.040 So any questions? 01:44:11.040 --> 01:44:18.160 All right, hearing none, I yield. 01:44:18.160 --> 01:44:19.960 Thank you. 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:22.000 You're welcome. 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:23.000 All right. 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:30.920 That brings us to TSC 19-043, y'all, which is to receive nominations and hold an election 01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:37.200 for a new chair of the Traffic Safety Commission, and if necessary, receive nominations and 01:44:37.200 --> 01:44:42.000 hold an election for a new vice chair of the Traffic Safety Commission. 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:46.400 And Trailands for Deputy City Attorney, I'm sorry, this item actually needs to be pulled. 01:44:46.400 --> 01:44:47.920 It's not appropriate to... 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:53.120 Here our handbook for the board's commissions and other committees is that the election 01:44:53.120 --> 01:44:58.560 officers is supposed to occur after the appointment of the new members, and that is set to happen 01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:00.340 tomorrow night at council. 01:45:00.340 --> 01:45:03.080 So this will need to be pulled and placed on your next agenda. 01:45:03.080 --> 01:45:05.600 Y'all have time to campaign now. 01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:06.600 All right. 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:07.600 Thank you, Trailands. 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:08.600 All right. 01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:16.760 And that then gets us to TSC 19-044, staff reports, street construction report, and the 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:18.120 matrix. 01:45:18.120 --> 01:45:19.520 Okay. 01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:42.920 Well, I don't know why I opened it twice, but... 01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:50.920 Okay. 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:53.920 If you've had a chance to look at this, I'm just going to ask you if you have any questions. 01:45:53.920 --> 01:46:03.040 Most of these projects are proceeding on schedule, and so it's hard for me to see this. 01:46:03.040 --> 01:46:07.280 Those highlighted in yellow are Body Bray and Brinker. 01:46:07.280 --> 01:46:12.880 So I will give you an update on Brinker because probably a lot of you are anxious to see that 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:18.840 open, and that is going to be open probably by the end of September, and it's pending 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:26.440 the relocation or the construction of the temporary ramp from 35 to its ultimate location. 01:46:26.440 --> 01:46:32.000 So hopefully by between now and the end of September, the textile will get the ramp removed, 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:35.800 we'll put a signal there at Brinker and the frontage roads, and we'll open that access 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:40.280 point while 288 is still under construction because I know that's a real bottleneck right 01:46:40.280 --> 01:46:46.280 now, we've changed it to a single left turn, and had some issues with larger vehicles going 01:46:46.280 --> 01:46:52.440 through there, but by the end of September, we've been told that we should have some extra 01:46:52.440 --> 01:46:57.720 capacity there on 35. 01:46:57.720 --> 01:46:58.720 I got a question. 01:46:58.720 --> 01:46:59.720 Sure. 01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:03.680 Going to be letting a lot of contracts for new construction and roads and all that. 01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:06.720 We've got a penalty clause, are you putting it in? 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:12.040 I'm not the right person to ask, that would be Todd asked his question. 01:47:12.040 --> 01:47:17.480 I can find out and come back with those penalty clauses. 01:47:17.480 --> 01:47:23.600 I know that we have talked about whether it be dollars or days, I mean, whether there 01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:30.640 be just penalties or there be incentives as well, but I'm not sure on the stuff that's 01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:34.880 moving forward or that's going to be let in the next couple of months, what those contracts 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:35.880 look like. 01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:43.160 I noticed you don't publish change orders. 01:47:43.160 --> 01:47:50.520 Well it depends on I guess the magnitude of the change order, so I don't know. 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:57.920 I don't have a whole lot of involvement once the projects are designed and let, I don't 01:47:57.920 --> 01:47:58.920 know. 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:04.560 I can find out and come back with those answers, and why we don't, and if there's a threshold 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:09.000 at which point we do advertise the change order. 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:14.440 Any other questions? 01:48:14.440 --> 01:48:16.840 So Hickory is going to be done by the start of school? 01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:18.840 Is that the? 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.760 Yes, 2024. 01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:30.160 So the, just as in general, the bond election will be held in November of '19. 01:48:30.160 --> 01:48:36.720 Those funds probably won't be available until late '20 or mid '20 just because of bonding 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:43.320 capacity and the processes that have to be established and completed. 01:48:43.320 --> 01:49:01.960 But we are currently in design so I think the schedule, in fact, no they took the estimates 01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:02.960 off. 01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:09.320 There was a time when they were putting on some date estimates and I think they, in the 01:49:09.320 --> 01:49:15.680 spirit of honesty, taking those off, but the stuff they're working on right now, just between 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:17.320 what is it, Hickory and Avenue B? 01:49:17.320 --> 01:49:18.320 Oh, I'm sorry. 01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:19.320 I was thinking of you. 01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:20.320 No, it's okay. 01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:21.320 I'm curious about that too. 01:49:21.320 --> 01:49:22.320 I always ask. 01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:23.320 That's been ongoing. 01:49:23.320 --> 01:49:34.320 I believe the Hickory Street project is on schedule and should be. 01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:41.640 I thought that I had read that it has been delayed somewhat by an increased sidewalk 01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:45.640 build. 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:46.640 Is that true? 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:53.720 I read that, I thought I read that in the newspaper, that the south side of the street 01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:58.600 is going to get some additional improvements in lighting and sidewalks. 01:49:58.600 --> 01:49:59.920 In what stretch? 01:49:59.920 --> 01:50:06.360 Right in front of the auditorium building, you know, that stretch in there. 01:50:06.360 --> 01:50:09.280 But that may have been a couple weeks ago. 01:50:09.280 --> 01:50:16.440 Yeah, I think we're still on target for completion either late this month or early next. 01:50:16.440 --> 01:50:21.800 So we're still on that, it says August 19th, but I think it's probably going to slide a 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:22.800 little bit. 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:28.200 And then the other projects would get funded in upcoming, you said, and then would start, 01:50:28.200 --> 01:50:34.880 the bike lane construction would start for Hickory, when would that start? 01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:39.840 Which for the one that just recently passed, the one that went back through council, the 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:45.440 new option on where they're moving the parking over to somewhere that won't benefit the businesses 01:50:45.440 --> 01:50:46.440 that want it. 01:50:46.440 --> 01:50:55.080 Do you have a better time, I don't know about a good time frame on that one. 01:50:55.080 --> 01:51:10.140 So, I haven't heard of a specific date on that. 01:51:10.140 --> 01:51:13.480 Any other questions on the street construction? 01:51:13.480 --> 01:51:18.760 Okay, let's see that matrix. 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:32.120 Let's see that matrix. 01:51:32.120 --> 01:51:37.200 So one of the items that we talked about last time, and I'm going to maybe take this out 01:51:37.200 --> 01:51:52.240 of order, was the do not enter transit vehicles only off of Hickory into the transit center. 01:51:52.240 --> 01:51:57.680 So we've looked at that, we've observed it, I've observed it personally, and I saw a lot 01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:04.760 of violations and they were not confused at all about what they were doing. 01:52:04.760 --> 01:52:08.600 And so what staff is going to do is we're going to increase the size of the do not enter 01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:12.460 signs and refresh some of the markings. 01:52:12.460 --> 01:52:16.280 We've done just about everything we can and we're supposed to do there, and we're going 01:52:16.280 --> 01:52:21.780 to ask for some increased enforcement from PD there right across the street. 01:52:21.780 --> 01:52:29.080 So it's a driver behavior and we just need to teach them through citations and better 01:52:29.080 --> 01:52:35.140 signage or larger signage, I'm not sure which, that activity is not acceptable. 01:52:35.140 --> 01:52:43.480 So there's not a, there's no visibility issue, you can see all the indications, you 01:52:43.480 --> 01:52:48.800 can see all the signs, you can see the markings, it says transit vehicles only, and they choose 01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:51.960 to do it because it's easy, they don't get, there's no penalty. 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:56.440 So until there's a penalty for something, people will take that shortest path. 01:52:56.440 --> 01:53:01.040 It's the same like the bike lanes on Highland, you know, until there's a penalty. 01:53:01.040 --> 01:53:04.560 It's quick and easy and it's worth the gamble of they're not going to catch me, they're 01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:10.400 not here right now, I'll just be here for a second and then I'll be gone and they're 01:53:10.400 --> 01:53:13.400 typically successful. 01:53:13.400 --> 01:53:17.480 So that particular one, we'll be moving forward with some upgrades and we'll bring you, the 01:53:17.480 --> 01:53:22.160 next time we'll bring you, if we get it completed by then, we'll bring you some pictures of 01:53:22.160 --> 01:53:25.680 what we've done. 01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:26.680 Which one is that one? 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:28.680 Is that the first one? 01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:29.680 Ten. 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:30.680 Ten. 01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:31.680 Oh, okay. 01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:32.680 Thank you. 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:33.680 It's the, yeah. 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:38.160 So the other one that we talked about last time bringing forward is the Alice University 01:53:38.160 --> 01:53:39.160 intersection. 01:53:39.160 --> 01:53:45.200 And about some additional lighting and some sidewalk ped issues crossing, we've got an 01:53:45.200 --> 01:53:50.600 unusual set of sidewalks there where that northwest corner has nothing and the northeast 01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:57.800 corner goes into a little retaining wall and we're looking for opportunities. 01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:02.040 We've got some overhead, the reason we don't have additional lighting out there is we've 01:54:02.040 --> 01:54:05.040 got some overhead power lines. 01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.920 So we're still in a formulation state. 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:12.680 We were hoping to have something for you for tonight, but we weren't far enough along with 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:16.200 a solution to really bring anything of value. 01:54:16.200 --> 01:54:21.280 So until we have a better solution, we're just going to keep postponing that. 01:54:21.280 --> 01:54:27.160 But we're working towards an enhanced pedestrian crossing, making it not only possible but 01:54:27.160 --> 01:54:36.360 comfortable and desirable to cross there instead of going to the intersection on either side. 01:54:36.360 --> 01:54:38.920 Anything else that you want to bring forward for next time? 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:39.920 Yes. 01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:40.920 Okay. 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:41.920 That was quick. 01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:42.920 Hey. 01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:43.920 I'm sorry. 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:44.920 No, no, no. 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:48.600 I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's unfortunate the gentleman died at the train tracks. 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:49.600 Right. 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:57.920 So I want to talk about is there another way that we can rework that? 01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:05.140 When I ride my bike down that trail and I go to what we do a lot of times is we'll go 01:55:05.140 --> 01:55:14.280 across the train tracks, ride the sidewalk to the light, go across, ride the sidewalk 01:55:14.280 --> 01:55:21.360 back up, go across the train tracks again, and then get back on the path. 01:55:21.360 --> 01:55:22.960 Why do we have to do that? 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:31.360 That's like three points for someone that crosses either large vehicles or a train. 01:55:31.360 --> 01:55:39.720 Is it possible to have that trail with, what are we calling those, R&R, hot lights, what 01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:40.720 do we call those? 01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:44.520 R&R, hot lights, or whatever. 01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:45.520 Hot lights. 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:50.600 So you just have to cross the street once. 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:52.160 Is that a possibility? 01:55:52.160 --> 01:55:56.000 It's not only a possibility, it's a done deal. 01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:59.840 We've got plans that are at 90%. 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:04.360 So we're going to do the same treatment that we've done at Lakeview where you have in front 01:56:04.360 --> 01:56:11.080 of the arms, you have an opening in the median with a little bollard so that cyclists can 01:56:11.080 --> 01:56:17.240 go through, cars can't make the U-turn, and we're not going to send you to the signal 01:56:17.240 --> 01:56:18.240 and back again. 01:56:18.240 --> 01:56:19.240 Awesome. 01:56:19.240 --> 01:56:20.420 I love it. 01:56:20.420 --> 01:56:33.000 So we're also refreshing all the, we just had a re-certification with FRA and they identified 01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:37.600 some issues that we need to address so we're going to be re-marking all of the pavement 01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:45.960 markings, reinstalling all those crosswalks, refreshing any signs that are missing or faded 01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:47.800 or damaged in any way. 01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:52.100 We're going to be relocating some signs to block, so that we no longer block the view 01:56:52.100 --> 01:56:54.440 of other signs that are important. 01:56:54.440 --> 01:56:59.280 So we've got a plan for that entire quiet zone online in their sections. 01:56:59.280 --> 01:57:03.160 Fantastic, there's a community of folks that are very concerned about it. 01:57:03.160 --> 01:57:08.460 I'm sure, you know, no one wants anyone to die, but I appreciate that very much. 01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:15.440 So we've identified some other issues, but we are focusing on all of our quiet zone and 01:57:15.440 --> 01:57:21.200 all of our rail crossings relative to signs and markings, and that type of treatment anywhere 01:57:21.200 --> 01:57:25.400 we can where it makes sense, we're going to pursue that as well. 01:57:25.400 --> 01:57:26.400 Fantastic. 01:57:26.400 --> 01:57:27.400 Thank you. 01:57:27.400 --> 01:57:32.360 I've got a couple of things to work with, one is just to bring to attention the cross 01:57:32.360 --> 01:57:39.280 signal at Hickory and Elm that, you know, makes the noises for the beeping and stuff. 01:57:39.280 --> 01:57:46.240 Some reason since about midweek it's been like twice as loud, and you might check, but 01:57:46.240 --> 01:57:48.480 it's something happened. 01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:50.460 It's very strange how loud it is. 01:57:50.460 --> 01:57:55.820 So local businesses, I know I talked to Kevin and Rosie and they're like, we can hear through 01:57:55.820 --> 01:57:58.040 all the walls now all of a sudden. 01:57:58.040 --> 01:57:59.560 And so anyway, somebody could go out and check. 01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:02.880 It just seems like some reason the level went really high on it. 01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:07.920 Okay, I will send our crews to check, but just as a follow on, we met with that vendor 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:11.360 and the product that we've been buying is now Legacy. 01:58:11.360 --> 01:58:16.600 So we'll be buying a new product that actually is controlled on an iPad. 01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:24.880 So you can talk to any crossing, any one of the four at any intersections to control volume 01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:34.040 and the message that it, whether it be a chirp or the text or the spoken words. 01:58:34.040 --> 01:58:38.240 So we're, we're moving to a better system by default because they no longer sell what 01:58:38.240 --> 01:58:39.240 we've been buying. 01:58:39.240 --> 01:58:44.400 Well, I mean, it wasn't like that, so it's just kind of strange, but yeah, right now 01:58:44.400 --> 01:58:49.320 we have to send somebody out there and they have to log in and we'll be able to do that 01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:50.320 remotely. 01:58:50.320 --> 01:58:52.560 So just, that's an upgrade for us. 01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:59.480 One other thing I brought up previously is on Hickory between, you know, UNT and, and 01:58:59.480 --> 01:59:02.560 Carol basically making it. 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:06.520 It's still, I've brought some previous meetings, there's first thing, the road and the sidewalks 01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:07.520 are in awful shape. 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:10.500 You know, there's all, there's holes, there's places, all kinds, there's spots. 01:59:10.500 --> 01:59:12.480 And I just tell anyone, go walk it at night. 01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:14.880 You can't see in front of you in five feet. 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:19.400 I mean, completely darkness, which is dangerous for pedestrians in general, but you're riding 01:59:19.400 --> 01:59:22.840 a bike and somebody, something's thrown in there, you know, way you can see it. 01:59:22.840 --> 01:59:26.240 And I've requested previously that we take a look and I don't know what's happened, but 01:59:26.240 --> 01:59:31.360 nothing seems to have happened, but just some kind of temporary until we fix it thing so 01:59:31.360 --> 01:59:34.560 that there's not a gap where it's so dark that you can't see. 01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:37.020 Cause we do still have bike lanes. 01:59:37.020 --> 01:59:39.800 You can barely see them, but we still do. 01:59:39.800 --> 01:59:43.880 And so we're actually kind of as a city encouraging people to bike there, but both as walker, 01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:47.360 even for walkers to just see if we can come up with a temporary solution. 01:59:47.360 --> 01:59:48.360 Okay. 01:59:48.360 --> 01:59:53.600 So, so just a question because I don't see Denton at night very often since I live in 01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:56.360 Southwest Fort Worth. 01:59:56.360 --> 01:59:59.480 Is it a lack of fixtures or are they just not burning? 01:59:59.480 --> 02:00:03.160 I don't think there's anything and it's right about, it's right about in the middle. 02:00:03.160 --> 02:00:08.400 If you think about, um, what's the last street before you kind of get with the, where the 02:00:08.400 --> 02:00:10.200 businesses and what street is that? 02:00:10.200 --> 02:00:17.640 Is that Chelsea or is that what's the Welch, Welch, between about halfway between Welch 02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:19.840 and Carroll is where it is. 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:22.640 And I'd have to check what street it is and there's, because there's spots where there's 02:00:22.640 --> 02:00:28.320 okay lighting and it's still a little bit around Bernard, Southside, Southside. 02:00:28.320 --> 02:00:29.320 Yes. 02:00:29.320 --> 02:00:30.320 Yes. 02:00:30.320 --> 02:00:32.920 So that's just one area, just some kind of temporary lighting before just to make sure 02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:34.600 just a very dangerous area. 02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:39.600 And I'd hate to see somebody fall or anything else happen. 02:00:39.600 --> 02:00:42.280 And then one other thing I was looking at the matrix and there's a previous request 02:00:42.280 --> 02:00:46.880 I had that I know remember ever being addressed, but I don't see it on the matrix anymore. 02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:50.720 And it was at the businesses, um, you know, now we're turning over again cause the little 02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:55.080 breakfast place went out, but on Hickory just the campus theater building, um, and there's 02:00:55.080 --> 02:01:00.280 the little shoe place right there and there's two curbs with no curb cuts at all, which 02:01:00.280 --> 02:01:02.840 is a real barrier too, because it's an urban area. 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:08.280 And so, um, accessibility is, you know, strollers, wheelchairs, curb cuts are you talking about 02:01:08.280 --> 02:01:09.280 ramp accessible ramps? 02:01:09.280 --> 02:01:10.280 Yeah, there's, it just curbs. 02:01:10.280 --> 02:01:11.280 Okay. 02:01:11.280 --> 02:01:12.280 Yeah. 02:01:12.280 --> 02:01:13.760 There's, there's no cut at all. 02:01:13.760 --> 02:01:19.160 And so I know it was on there previously, um, I feel like it was like two years ago, 02:01:19.160 --> 02:01:26.480 but so I've only been here a year, Mark, all of it, bicycle and pedestrian coordinator. 02:01:26.480 --> 02:01:30.520 Um, but I know I have looked into that. 02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:39.480 Um, what our conclusion was is that the Hickory street repaving and rebuilding project is 02:01:39.480 --> 02:01:45.880 eventually going to go all the way to that, I think right there at the campus theater. 02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:53.920 And so even though it may be two or three years out, it is already programmed to happen, 02:01:53.920 --> 02:02:01.000 but we're not going to pull it to fix sooner, if that makes sense. 02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:06.760 So they are as they're going down Hickory street and fixing all that pavement, they're 02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:11.640 also going, I don't know, six or eight feet from the back of the curb and fixing anything 02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:15.520 else, any other ADA issue or anything like that as they go down. 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:22.880 So when they get there, whenever that will be, it, it will be addressed, um, but not 02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:23.880 sooner. 02:02:23.880 --> 02:02:29.040 I understand that prioritizing, I guess one thing is when I try to bring ones to the matrix, 02:02:29.040 --> 02:02:32.080 I always look at like, what are the ones that are giving us the most bang for the buck? 02:02:32.080 --> 02:02:36.920 And I choose that one because it's literally an impediment to getting around the square. 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:37.920 Yeah. 02:02:37.920 --> 02:02:40.840 Like you hit a stopping point where either you have to have somebody pick you up or something. 02:02:40.840 --> 02:02:42.520 And so anyway, that's why I picked that one. 02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:47.160 So, but I understand what you're saying, but yeah, I agree. 02:02:47.160 --> 02:02:49.080 And that's an important location. 02:02:49.080 --> 02:02:55.000 And so if there were a way to move it up or find different funding, I think that would 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:56.000 be a candidate. 02:02:56.000 --> 02:03:00.480 But I just don't know that we don't have something dedicated currently that we could throw it 02:03:00.480 --> 02:03:17.200 on to, um, that 12 million dollars in November for sidewalks, um, is focusing on safe routes. 02:03:17.200 --> 02:03:21.840 But again, it's there to accomplish all of our ADA compliance needs. 02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:30.740 So that would be a good candidate for bond funding, um, post 19 or post November. 02:03:30.740 --> 02:03:33.920 So I do have a question about the Hickory project. 02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:42.440 So as soon as the stretch that ends at, um, fry street is completed, will then the next 02:03:42.440 --> 02:03:49.120 leg start or will there be a time when Hickory is open all the way from Bonnie Bray to Carol 02:03:49.120 --> 02:03:51.480 Boulevard? 02:03:51.480 --> 02:03:54.440 So I don't know that I have the most current information, but I think there's going to 02:03:54.440 --> 02:03:57.420 be at least some period of time where there's no construction. 02:03:57.420 --> 02:03:58.960 I think we're waiting on some funding. 02:03:58.960 --> 02:03:59.960 Okay. 02:03:59.960 --> 02:04:00.960 I think. 02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:01.960 Okay. 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:02.960 Like how long? 02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:03.960 I don't know. 02:04:03.960 --> 02:04:04.960 Okay. 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:07.840 I can, again, I can find out and I'll bring it back. 02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:08.840 Okay. 02:04:08.840 --> 02:04:09.840 Well, I'll tell you why. 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:15.560 We may be able to share and I'll have to defer to our legal, uh, if they're asking questions, 02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:20.240 we can respond to this group before the next meeting or can we? 02:04:20.240 --> 02:04:25.960 Just, I'm talking about an email about it will be six months before the next project 02:04:25.960 --> 02:04:28.600 starts. 02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:34.440 She's asking the lag between the Hickory projects as it progresses and I don't know it right 02:04:34.440 --> 02:04:35.440 now. 02:04:35.440 --> 02:04:36.440 Yes. 02:04:36.440 --> 02:04:48.920 I mean, you can send like you would to council. 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:53.240 You can send like an ISR or something like that, but you would need to do it through 02:04:53.240 --> 02:04:57.320 basically the same procedures we use for council in the sense of we don't want them all on 02:04:57.320 --> 02:05:00.920 the same email chain to where they could potentially have an open meetings act violation by discussing 02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:03.120 it after you send it out. 02:05:03.120 --> 02:05:04.120 Okay. 02:05:04.120 --> 02:05:05.120 For you, Billy. 02:05:05.120 --> 02:05:08.120 You didn't identify yourself, Trace. 02:05:08.120 --> 02:05:09.120 Okay. 02:05:09.120 --> 02:05:13.320 Let me tell you why I ask. 02:05:13.320 --> 02:05:20.600 Because the right now, so in my neighborhood is become a cut through for people who cannot 02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:23.400 do Hickory to Carroll Boulevard. 02:05:23.400 --> 02:05:24.400 Like they may have originally. 02:05:24.400 --> 02:05:25.400 I'm probably one of those. 02:05:25.400 --> 02:05:26.400 Oh, okay. 02:05:26.400 --> 02:05:27.400 Let's talk. 02:05:27.400 --> 02:05:34.000 But I'm cutting through because I'm lost and I just say detours everywhere I go is road 02:05:34.000 --> 02:05:35.000 closed. 02:05:35.000 --> 02:05:36.000 Yeah. 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:43.120 And so it is like in the summertime, I noticed it because I was walking home after class 02:05:43.120 --> 02:05:49.120 and I start, and there was so much more traffic going by me on Ponder Street, you know, taking 02:05:49.120 --> 02:05:54.720 scripture on down, hitting Ponder and then going down Congress. 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:57.000 And I just physically felt a difference. 02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:01.040 And then it took me a couple of days to look up and like, yeah, like said, duh, look, there's 02:06:01.040 --> 02:06:09.360 a detour sign that I hadn't seen, but that is going to, if that's going to continue, 02:06:09.360 --> 02:06:14.480 the closure is going to continue during the academic year because the closure really only 02:06:14.480 --> 02:06:16.680 started, you know, as soon as school is out. 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:17.680 Right. 02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:21.480 And I think that's the plan is that we'll the focus of the construction will be during 02:06:21.480 --> 02:06:23.280 those off during the off periods. 02:06:23.280 --> 02:06:24.280 Okay. 02:06:24.280 --> 02:06:29.240 Because then Congress is going to start having a problem if we are, if Hickory is still closed 02:06:29.240 --> 02:06:32.180 down during the long academic terms. 02:06:32.180 --> 02:06:38.760 So and people don't know how to navigate even coming to a stop at scripture on the, on the 02:06:38.760 --> 02:06:41.680 east side of scripture that throws people. 02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:45.920 Do I stop here or do I just run that stop sign? 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:49.840 And then, um, you know, but people who are unfamiliar with the area. 02:06:49.840 --> 02:06:50.840 Yeah. 02:06:50.840 --> 02:06:51.840 Yeah. 02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:52.840 Okay. 02:06:52.840 --> 02:06:53.840 Culprit. 02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:54.840 Okay. 02:06:54.840 --> 02:06:56.400 We'll verify that and send it out. 02:06:56.400 --> 02:07:00.360 And then if that's going to be happening during the long academic term, then we'll have to, 02:07:00.360 --> 02:07:06.240 I'll then ask somebody to put on the matrix, um, looking at how to traffic calm, at least 02:07:06.240 --> 02:07:08.320 temporarily in the neighborhood. 02:07:08.320 --> 02:07:09.320 Okay. 02:07:09.320 --> 02:07:16.240 I have, I'm sorry, I just have one question that the 12 million that we're getting for 02:07:16.240 --> 02:07:19.360 might get, you got to claim it. 02:07:19.360 --> 02:07:20.360 All right. 02:07:20.360 --> 02:07:21.360 Okay. 02:07:21.360 --> 02:07:22.360 I don't want to jinx it. 02:07:22.360 --> 02:07:30.160 Tell, tell all your friends that you're getting, is that only for existing sidewall? 02:07:30.160 --> 02:07:35.120 No, in fact, uh, capital dollars are not intended for repair. 02:07:35.120 --> 02:07:36.480 There are new construction only. 02:07:36.480 --> 02:07:41.880 So we'll be looking for gaps in existing sidewalk networks and areas where sidewalks just don't 02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:42.880 exist. 02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:50.520 McKinney at the, McKinney at the, uh, railroad cross. 02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:55.160 I think, I think there's a sidewalk already planned for that. 02:07:55.160 --> 02:08:01.600 Um, I got to, I got to verify that, but I, I pre temp told me that this past last week 02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:06.200 that we were talking about some of the upcoming quiet zones and McKinney was one of them. 02:08:06.200 --> 02:08:08.560 And I believe there's already a sidewalk plan for that. 02:08:08.560 --> 02:08:10.960 You know, I'm talking about right there when you come across the track. 02:08:10.960 --> 02:08:11.960 Yeah. 02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:12.960 Yeah. 02:08:12.960 --> 02:08:13.960 But the big, and the swerve and yeah. 02:08:13.960 --> 02:08:14.960 Nobody get hit. 02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:15.960 Nobody get hit. 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:16.960 Nobody get hit. 02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:17.960 Oh, I made it. 02:08:17.960 --> 02:08:18.960 Yeah. 02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:23.320 So that's, you know, cause I walk, I walk a lot around. 02:08:23.320 --> 02:08:24.320 Okay. 02:08:24.320 --> 02:08:30.720 Well, like I say, that's certainly a candidate, but I think it's already programmed 02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:36.720 from our Hickory street, uh, deliberations, I really liked the idea of the bike box of 02:08:36.720 --> 02:08:41.040 the cycles coming back out and into the traffic. 02:08:41.040 --> 02:08:51.600 And we have a situation where on Oak, right there at, uh, Elm, Locust, right there at 02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:58.360 recycle books, it stops and bikes have to reenter the traffic. 02:08:58.360 --> 02:09:02.600 So could we put a bike box right there on Oak? 02:09:02.600 --> 02:09:07.720 So historically I have not, I was not a proponent of bike boxes. 02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:15.680 However, I am now because they go in perfect combination with the leading ped interval. 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:22.320 So the bikes get, they queue them up in front of the cars and when the ped indication goes, 02:09:22.320 --> 02:09:23.880 the bikes go. 02:09:23.880 --> 02:09:28.240 And so we get them at least started, if not completely out of the way, because they do 02:09:28.240 --> 02:09:33.280 actually move faster than pets or some do, um, before the traffic gets the green and 02:09:33.280 --> 02:09:34.280 starts moving. 02:09:34.280 --> 02:09:37.640 So that's exactly what we're, that's the kind of thing we're trying to incorporate, 02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:45.600 get those, um, somewhat slower and much more vulnerable populations out ahead of that vehicular 02:09:45.600 --> 02:09:46.600 traffic. 02:09:46.600 --> 02:09:51.240 So when they start moving and they're trying to decide, there's already somebody in that 02:09:51.240 --> 02:09:53.960 crosswalk or there's somebody already in that lane. 02:09:53.960 --> 02:09:59.440 So they have to yield versus I'm going to, I'm bigger, I'm going to go, you yield to 02:09:59.440 --> 02:10:00.440 me. 02:10:00.440 --> 02:10:01.440 Yeah. 02:10:01.440 --> 02:10:06.160 I'd just like you to look at that intersection because it's uphill where you're stopping 02:10:06.160 --> 02:10:09.820 and then the lane ends and you have to get back into traffic. 02:10:09.820 --> 02:10:15.920 And also being downtown, that is a good place to start instructing and bringing this to 02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:19.400 people's awareness because more people are going to see that. 02:10:19.400 --> 02:10:24.720 That is a great starting place for a lot of our ped bike concepts just, and then, cause 02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:29.440 that, as we saw with the crash history, that's where our peds and bikes are. 02:10:29.440 --> 02:10:35.520 I mean, we've got, uh, I mean, you just got so much activity down there and it's 24 seven. 02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:36.520 It's just always going. 02:10:36.520 --> 02:10:43.640 So yeah, we're going to, we're going to start a lot of our programs in downtown area. 02:10:43.640 --> 02:10:44.640 Any other questions? 02:10:44.640 --> 02:10:45.640 Going once. 02:10:45.640 --> 02:10:58.560 Yes, I'd like to say something. 02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:00.360 She and I go back to Wally Campbell. 02:11:00.360 --> 02:11:08.400 He served six years and she served six years and done a great job and one of the few female 02:11:08.400 --> 02:11:12.280 chair people of all these boards and commissions in the city. 02:11:12.280 --> 02:11:15.360 So I'd like to give my congratulations for serving. 02:11:15.360 --> 02:11:16.360 Thank you. 02:11:16.360 --> 02:11:17.360 Thank you. 02:11:17.360 --> 02:11:24.160 Now it's been fun and it's been fun watching the evolution of the, you know, of the committee. 02:11:24.160 --> 02:11:34.200 We used to get out of here a lot faster and I, I'm a sucker for talking stuff through 02:11:34.200 --> 02:11:42.040 and I just love it, you know, sorry, you know, but yeah, I think that there's, I have really 02:11:42.040 --> 02:11:50.000 loved watching the involvement, like increase and having a committee that's willing to kick 02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:51.000 things around. 02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:52.000 Yeah, sure. 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:53.000 So thank you. 02:11:53.000 --> 02:11:59.840 And with that, we're adjourned at 744.