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 The first item on the agenda is TSC 19-035, which is to consider the approval of the Traffic

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 Safety Commission meetings of July 1, 2019.

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 Now, has everyone had a chance to take a look at the minutes, and are there any additions/subtractions?

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 Do we have a motion for approval?

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 Everyone in favor of right hand up?

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 Those pass.

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 And that brings us to item one -- whoops.

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 They're not lettered.

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 Item one A, one B, TSC 19-036, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

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 Article III of the City Code, which governs boards, commissions, and committees, and vote

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 on the Absence Report Code for Dan Krutka for the July 1, 2019 meeting date.

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 So has everyone had a chance to take a look at this?

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 And effectively, we have to vote on whether Dan gets himself an excused or an unexcused

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 absence.

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 It's very exciting.

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 Big-time flashbacks to high school right now.

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 I know.

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 Here you are.

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 Here you are.

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 You know, full disclosure, of course, we talked about your last time.

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 And also full disclosure, the issues of, you know, keeping attendance and things at these

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 meetings has not been -- it's been on the books, but it hasn't been something that we've

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 necessarily, you know, paid a lot of attention to.

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 But we have, you know, are beginning to pay attention to them.

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 So there you are.

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 Coincidentally when you leave.

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 And so, you know, in the backup, there is an, you know, explanation of what is excused,

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 what is unexcused.

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 And there you go.

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 So what do you all think?

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 Are we going to excuse Dan for July 1, 2019?

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 That's a good question.

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 You can have the floor.

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 Well, I read the minutes for everything.

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 And so I think this is a good policy, I think it's good for us to keep track and know who's

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 attending, because that's important.

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 We can't have a quorum without attendance.

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 And I'm guessing this is simply on the honesty principle, right?

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 Like you, if I said I was at doctor's appointments the last two months.

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 We would accept it as is.

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 So I kind of, the one thing I was kind of thinking about with this policy is, and it

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 may not matter, because this may be the way it's written, but does it really matter at

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 some point whether they're excused or unexcused, right?

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 Even if like you had a medical illness and were gone and you were continually missing

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 meetings at some point, it's probably time to like, you know, to resign your position

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 and have someone else come on.

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 So whatever the reason.

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 So I'm kind of curious about that.

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 My July app, since I'm happy to have it unexcused by the policy, because it was just for travel.

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 But the bigger picture I think would be, it doesn't matter how often we're at the meetings

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 for these to be functional.

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 And that was part of our discussion last month, and, you know, that simply from a procedural

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 perspective when we know that somebody is going to be guaranteed to be gone during a

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 certain time, that puts more burden on everyone else on the committee to either make certain

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 that we're here, and if we can't make a quorum, it puts a bigger burden on than everybody

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 else over here saying, okay, you know, we have to push that agenda item until the next

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 month, and it could be something that's somewhat time sensitive.

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 So that's why, you know, we had the discussion that we did.

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 So Jim?

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 I'll make a motion to accept Dan's recommendation.

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 We'll excuse him.

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 Or we will not excuse him for July.

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 Whatever he just said.

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 You will this time say that we will not excuse Dan for July, you know, by his own recommendation.

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 And you get a clean slate starting September.

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 Let's say he does.

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 I might just do it again.

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 And is it inside that window?

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 That's a good question.

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 This is, you know, getting predicated on the assumption everybody would start in September,

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 Everyone, in favor of not excusing Dan for July, I and A, raise your hands.

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 That brings us to Item 1C, which is TSC 19-037, which is to receive a report regarding the

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 So staff wanted to update the commission about a recent signing and striping project along

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 In May, we received a request to review this street because people were having a hard time

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 So this is what we recommended, and in the past two weeks, this was completed by Traffic

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 last road, and basically, Dutchess is 40 feet on the east side, and then it tapers down

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 That moves us to TSC 19-038, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion about pedestrian,

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 I'm going to make this big.

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 Tonight, I'm going to talk a little bit about bicycle and pedestrian crash data.

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 We have two sources for this, although ultimately, I think all of the data comes from TxDOT.

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 So looking here, this is an overview where you can see the aerial photo.

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 This has the actual points for the crashes overlaid on that heat map.

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 This is data from looking at the whole county, though we've zoomed in on Denton itself.

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 You can see along, there we go, along McKinney, you have kind of a linear data set there.

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 to TxDOT, so you can get individual records, you can't get to where you're getting private

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 information, but you can get a lot of information about each one, and you can also get much

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 more detailed heat maps by going directly to TxDOT, and so you can see right in downtown

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 we have these crashes.

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 And then I just wanted to look at overall statistics with you in general, so nationwide

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 bicycle and pedestrian accidents have gone through the roof in the last 10 years, we

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 were doing really well until about '08, '09, from the '90s until '08, '09, it was consistently

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 dropping, and we are now back to where we were in '97 or '98, and the two contributors

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 that I hear for that are the smartphone came out about '08, '09, is when they were first

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 started coming out, and then also the prevalence of SUVs, because if you are struck by a sedan,

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 it typically has a very low nose on it, a low grill, and it will knock your legs out

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 from under you, and you will land on top of the hood, whereas SUVs, pickup trucks, larger

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 vehicles, they tend to hit you in the vital areas and cause serious damage, and so we

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 have a lot more fatalities.

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 Now Denton has not tracked exactly that, it's interesting to see our trends.

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 I don't know to what we can attribute this, we sort of have this roller coaster shape

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 of crashes, now the trend line is generally upward, that could also be explained by things

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 like the population growth of the city, growth in the number of students, there could be

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 other factors, although it's not desirable to have any accidents of course, and so the

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 breakdown is, and this, I was able to get one more year of data up to 2018 out of going

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 directly to the TxDOT data portal, 425 total bike and peg collisions in that six year period,

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 skewed male, although large numbers of both males and females, and more pedestrian incidents

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 than bicycle incidents, and this is all directly from TxDOT, so I'd be happy to answer any

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 questions about this, or we can have a discussion about this.

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 Well when we do look at that, all of the bike accidents on McKinney, are there plans currently

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 for getting bike lanes and sidewalks, because that is a really difficult area to traverse

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 on bike and on foot, and it is a lot of bike and foot traffic on McKinney.

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 So the area east of about Mack Park, where it goes down to one lane, McKinney is scheduled

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 to be widened in that area, and as part of the widening, there is going to be a side

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 path, I believe it's a 10 foot side path on the north side of it in that area.

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 Now going back and retrofitting in the area, I'd say between Colorado and downtown, you

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 have less, you have less right of way to work with, there is a grant for sidewalk installation

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 kind of just north of, right by the train tracks, out to, well right out here.

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 But that's like 200 or 250 linear feet, and that has been designed.

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 Those are the two projects I know of that we have going on right now.

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 We have been doing the mobility plan work, we just had two public meetings for that,

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 and McKinney definitely did come up the difficulty traversing east-west through there, and so

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 it will be something that as we continue the process that will receive consideration.

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 How were the decisions made about putting a road on a road diet?

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 Would McKinney be a candidate?

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 I don't know.

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 Or slowing down, how fast do people go on McKinney, because there is a squall right

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 there, I believe the speed limit is 30, 35, and then once you get past Mack Park, it goes

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 up to 40.

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 My question is, if it's going to be widened at the time, and people have been getting

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 hurt or whatever in that area, could we put the walkway in first, and then we give, because

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 right now, if you walk past Salvation Army, and once you get past Salvation Army and Dollar

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 General, it's road, you're walking on the road, and it's like playing Frogger.

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 It's like playing Frogger, and for the people in those neighborhoods there, if you're coming

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 out even if you want to right past Mack Park, the neighborhood that sits to the left, if

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 you want to cross, there's not a crosswalk there, it's not anything there, there's no

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 crosswalk there, so it's like, like I said, it's almost like playing Frogger if you want

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 to cross over, so it's like, oh I got enough room, and a lot of times even though the speed

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 limit drops and then it goes back up, most of the time people are going upwards of 50

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 miles an hour until they get past Mack Park, right where the -

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 Well, there's somebody walking in there, check it there.

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 So I guess my question would be, while those people are walking, and if that's going to

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 be widened, can we put the walk past in first, instead of waiting for the street to be widened,

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 and you know, if you put the walk past in first, then you'll eliminate people for walking

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 on those breakdown lanes.

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 Okay, so to answer the question, is there a program to improve McKinney, there is a construction

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 project that's, I think it's 100% designed and funded from 288 East, and so that project

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 will go to construction before the end of this year, so those dollars have some time

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 limitations and we have to move into construction with what they're calling, well, phase one,

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 the farthest east is already underway, but the rest of it, all the way to 288, will be

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 under construction or let for construction by the end of the year.

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 From 288 West, there's a secondary project that is under design, we're going to go for

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 a 30% design and look for some partnering funds, we don't have the money in a bond or

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 any other capital improvement program right now, so we're going to look for some partnering

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 funds for that, but to answer your question, because that construction is pending or impending,

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 we'll probably allow that to happen, those sidewalks to happen with that construction

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 from 288 East, which seem to be kind of coincidental with some of the accident crash history.

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 And then the portion west of 288, we can examine opportunities for some side paths, be it even

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 an asphalt, a lot of times when you're in a, where you don't have a full drainage system

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 in place, it's difficult to put, because you've got these large swales and it's difficult

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 to put a, you don't want to put a permanent concrete sidewalk, it'll undermine and you'll

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 have to replace it or tear it out when you're wider road, so we can look at some alternative

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 materials and look at if we have an opportunity and some funding, identify some funding for

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 pathways prior to construction, again, that's that portion where we don't have the money

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 right now, we're looking for some partnering funds, either with the cog or with text dot

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 or a grant, so there may be an opportunity there.

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 Okay.

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 Well, some of the area that's to the west of the Audra, Woodrow, Connector, could some

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 of them, some of the, could get some funds for safe routes to school, because Rivera

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 is just on the other side and there's got to be children that are walking to Rivera.

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 Right.

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 That's what I'm saying, there's no crosswalk, once you get past, I forget the name of the

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 street, right where the 7-Eleven is, I don't know a street name, where the 7-Eleven is,

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 7-Eleven is on this side.

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 Yeah, I said Colorado, but it has many names, it's Audra and Woodrow.

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 It's a whole bunch of names.

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 Once you get past there, you know, the sidewalk's in right there, then once you get past, there's

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 no sidewalk, no crosswalk until you get all the way down to the loop, you know what I

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 mean?

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 So you have a neighborhood on this side, you walk down, you have a neighborhood on this

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 side, you run into apartment complexes, so there's not a crosswalk or like the thing

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 that's across the street right here.

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 Right, the RRFB.

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 Yeah.

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 Right.

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 You know, even, you know, if the goal is to drive down pedestrian and bicycle accidents,

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 putting even one of those, a crosswalk with one of those, you know, it'll get people in

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 the habit of, "Hey, I gotta slow down."

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 Right.

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 You know, get them in the habit of, "Hey, I gotta slow down," someone may be crossing

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 the street.

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 Right now, it's like, "Urgh," you know, it's like that there.

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 So currently, we've expended, or exhausted, rather, all of our sidewalk funds and we've

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 got most of our Safe Route to School money already programmed, however, there's an agenda

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 item at the end of this, is the 2019 bond, where we can talk about some further opportunities

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 with sidewalk construction.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 How is the funding determined for the amount, you said, sidewalk money's run out?

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 What would be the best way to address that, or what do you think was the, what's the funding

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 breakdown for things like sidewalks, bike lanes, and streets?

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 So what did we have in the last bond election, two million?

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 It was 2014, yeah.

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 So we had two million in 2014, and I'll go ahead and give you a little spoiler.

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 They're proposing 12 million in 2019 for sidewalks.

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 Okay.

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 So we can leverage that money, we can, I mean, our goal would be to take that 12 million and

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 leverage it as much as we can with either text dot call for projects, or a cog call

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 for projects with Safe Route to School, and then use the remainder for just general sidewalk

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 construction.

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 So we've got that in that bond election item.

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 In the bond, I don't think there is-

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 I don't know that it was identified.

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 What we can pursue, and I'm not sure if the language has already been established, I come

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 from a different environment.

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 I came from Fort Worth, where it was pedestrian and bicycle funding, and they had 15, and

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 three went to bicycle, and 12 went to sidewalk.

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 I don't know that that language has been set here, and we may have some freedom in using

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 pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure improvement dollars.

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 So I can't really answer that question, but I think we can ask it prior to the November

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 election for 2019.

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 The majority of incidents are in the core of Denton, so that seems like a wise policy

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 would be to spend exponentially there, if that's where most of the accidents are happening,

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 and also if that's where the most people are walking and biking.

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 Do you feel like we have enough funds and efforts to do it?

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 I guess I would use McKinney as an example.

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 The McKinney Cross is great.

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 It slows traffic, it makes a safe spot for pedestrians.

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 We could use one on Bell and Carroll, too, among other things.

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 Are those types of things being looked at to address design-induced accidents that are

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 occurring?

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 Design-induced, as in changing the design of the road?

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 Changing the design of the road with the assumption that the road is a big reason these accidents

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 are happening, not the people.

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 They're being put in an environment that's causing a lot of these accidents.

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 Yes.

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 Yes.

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 It is being looked at.

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 I mean, there's the MUSE project around the square, which is focused completely on making

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 that much safer and more passable.

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 I don't know that it always factors as high as we would like it to, compared to some other

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 considerations, like cost and convenience for vehicles.

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 But it is definitely looked at, and it is considered, especially in this downtown area.

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 With any data set, it depends how you look at it, right?

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 So it could either be that these are very dangerous areas or this is just a very high

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 traffic area for bicycles and pedestrians.

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 I tend to think it's the latter, although, of course, there are definite improvements.

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 If we had a big checkbook that we would like to see, we would like to make, a number are

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 underway.

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 There's a text-up project to improve the sidewalk and driveway aprons and ramps along Elm Street

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 coming up.

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 So there's a number of things, but we can't do it all as quickly as we'd like to.

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 Is there any way of identifying some of the most dangerous areas, especially where citizens

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 have reached out?

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 I'll use Carol and Hickory as an example.

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 We had a pedestrian hit there, severely injured, could have died easily.

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 But if you ask anybody, it's a dangerous intersection for pedestrians.

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 The thing I would say is our numbers are probably depleted there because people choose not to

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 walk because it's so dangerous and choose to get in a car instead of ever even walking.

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 So that actually probably lowers our numbers, unfortunately, it hurts the health of citizens

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 and our city, it hurts local businesses.

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 So I know that got brought to numerous council members, it was in the news, it made everything.

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 I don't know how far out are we from that, six, eight months, and I don't know if there's

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 been anything done.

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 And there's easy fixes to that intersection.

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 So how do we identify these dangerous areas that we know what to do?

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 We could do all kinds of things with that intersection to make it safer, but it seems

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 like everyone brings it up, it fades and nothing happens.

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 And I've said this a few times lately, but I've been on this committee since 2016.

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 I feel like we just keep repeating, hey, this area is dangerous.

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 And we're seven years later, nothing's happened.

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 And so how do we speed up these, the most prime areas to get something done?

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 I guess is my question.

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 I thought we installed brighter lamps on the street lights, can anyone else confirm that?

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 I thought at Carroll, at Oak Hickory, and Mulberry that brighter lamps had been installed within

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 the last year.

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 We do keep track, we keep track of suggestions that we get.

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 We do keep running lists as we hear from people about sidewalk improvements and so forth.

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 The question there is just whether or not we will have the funding to do it.

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 So we have a list prepared, should that bond be passed.

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 We do have a list of high priority locations that we've heard from people about as far

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 as new sidewalk improvements.

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 Could that be part of the process is actually prioritizing?

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 This is our number one priority, for example, Hickory and Carroll, and then determining

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 what would the funds be to fix this.

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 And maybe having an active list that citizens and this committee in particular, too, could

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 have available as discussion points.

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 Because I think it's really easy to lose track of it.

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 It's hard to keep track of which ones we've talked about.

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 And then again, it's easy, nothing seems to get done in some of these cases.

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 We do also have the project, the ADA transition plan for the city, which has been ongoing

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 the last six or eight months.

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 We had a contractor drive all of the sidewalks in the city with a retrofitted ATV that measured

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 your pitch and yaw.

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 All the different conditions of all of our sidewalks and all of our signalized intersections.

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 And when we get the final data on that, we're going to have cost estimates.

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 And I believe there will be some sort of a priority metric that comes with that.

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 I don't know if it's exactly what you're looking for, but they will be graded that

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 way.

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 And that is upcoming.

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 Would that be something, since it's ADA, hoping to get ADA compliant, would there be federal

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 funds for that or is that like an unfunded mandate?

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 As of right now, not funded, but it will be able to inform us as funding becomes available

474
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,280
 where we can concentrate.

475
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,680
 I have one more question for you.

476
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,680
 Yeah.

477
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,240
 When an accident happens at an intersection that has the cross lights, is there a way

478
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:47,160
 that the timing, I know the one on bell, and when I talk, I was speaking about where I've

479
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,160
 been.

480
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,240
 One on bell, you push and it says wait, and then it says bell, bell, bell.

481
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:57,720
 Before you get to the middle of the street, it's already blinking at nine.

482
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,080
 By the time you get across, the light has already changed.

483
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,080
 You see what I'm saying?

484
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:09,240
 By the time when you're crossing, you push, you wait, and when you're crossing, you're

485
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,720
 not all the way across and the light has already turned green and you have people sitting in

486
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:18,400
 their car looking at you and something will even start to go, then you have to, you know,

487
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,880
 that may be a contributing factor to those pedestrians, you know, accidents happen with

488
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,680
 the cross lights because a lot of the, the one on Teasley is the same, is the same way

489
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:36,400
 too, you know, you push, you wait, and before you can get halfway across, it's already at

490
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:43,400
 nine seconds, you know, so you, you speed up or, and, and, but the light that, that

491
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,360
 you cross against, it's already turning green before you can even get through the sidewalk,

492
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,480
 so that may be a contributing factor too, maybe just a calibration that needs to be,

493
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,880
 you know, that can happen to where they can say, okay, you push, it takes this much, just,

494
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,600
 you know, as long as you get across the street, they get a person to amp them out of time,

495
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
 you know, sometimes people in cars are impatient.

496
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,600
 So definitely, we can look at the minimum pedestrian timing that's required to cross

497
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:18,920
 and we should, that should already be in place, so one of the efforts and initiatives that

498
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,440
 we're going to take in the next 12 months or so is to look at a lot of our major corridors,

499
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,240
 we're going to retime some signals, I know it seems like it was just done recently, but

500
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,280
 I think we can do better and one of the issues, one of the items that we're going to push

501
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,880
 forward is what we call the leading pedestrian interval, so before the cars get the green,

502
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,920
 the pedestrians get the walk sign for about five or six seconds, which allows them to

503
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,480
 step off the curb and to get started through, then the cars get their green and as they

504
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:53,480
 begin their maneuver, whether it's left, right, straight, whatever, they can see the pedestrians

505
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,240
 are already in the crosswalk, the vehicles have to yield, one of the conflicts that we

506
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:04,120
 have, and especially with right turns, is that historically, the walk sign and the green

507
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,080
 have come up together, so the car's waiting, waiting, waiting, wants to turn right, sees

508
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960
 the green, he starts the maneuver, same time this pedestrian sees the walk sign and steps

509
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,840
 off the curb and that's where we have collisions, so what we do now is we give those pedestrians

510
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,640
 a little head start, so they're already, they've occupied the roadway and therefore have the

511
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,240
 right of way, so I know we always tell people the pedestrians have the right of way, but

512
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,840
 the way the law is written is it's a 50/50, so if you haven't, as a pedestrian, if you

513
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,160
 haven't started your maneuver and the car's moving, you're supposed to yield, but we tell

514
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,600
 people that pedestrians have the right of way, so they step off the curb and cars already

515
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,560
 move in and we have a conflict, but that leading pedestrian interval gets the pedestrian clearly

516
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,040
 in the right of way, occupy that crosswalk and the vehicle has to yield, so that's one

517
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,840
 of the things we're going to be pushing forward, and you know, right there on bail, when you

518
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,680
 push and it's a left hand turn, we come from down there, and when you push, you know, those

519
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,000
 are going to have the turn signal, so when you push and the light turns green, the person

520
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,440
 that's trying to make a left, they normally go ahead and they turn, so there's another

521
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:20,440
 timing, which you call a process, is that if the car gets there first, it wants to turn

522
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:27,800
 left, so he's told, there's sensors, we use cameras, we use radar, we use a lot of different

523
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,880
 mechanisms, but the intersection knows the car's there waiting to turn left, he's in

524
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,280
 the left turn lane, and the pedestrian walks up after that and pushes the button, he won't

525
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,000
 get the walk signal, the left turn will go first, and then it will clear the pedestrian

526
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,520
 to go after that left turn, eliminating that conflict, so you won't have that, basically

527
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,080
 what we're trying to do with the signal timing and the way we phase and structure that interval

528
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,280
 is that we don't want the pedestrian and the car to get the green light at the same time,

529
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,440
 and in the same direction, so whenever we have that conflict, left turns and right turns,

530
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,640
 we try and separate them.

531
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:13,720
 Do you have any data on how frequently vehicles are ticketed for not obeying pedestrian right

532
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,680
 away and cycling right away?

533
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:24,160
 Okay, so this is a two-part answer, yes, I believe we do, and the second part is, unfortunately,

534
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:32,640
 typically only when there's a collision, so I don't think, I've never seen an accident

535
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:41,040
 or a ticket citation issued that you failed to yield the right-of-way even though nothing

536
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,320
 happened, so typically it will be in a crash report and the cause of the crash is going

537
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,200
 to be failure to yield right-of-way, but I'm not aware of a lot of citations being issued

538
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,280
 for not yielding the right-of-way to a pedestrian.

539
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,360
 Well since, you know, a lot of people no doubt drive into Denton, you know, drive the farm

540
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,680
 to market road and then at 65, 75 miles an hour, and then get into Denton, which is in

541
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:14,480
 a totally different environment, maybe increasing citations when somebody, you know, when an

542
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,800
 officer sees a car not yielding to a pedestrian, when the pedestrian has the right-of-way,

543
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:28,560
 maybe we should explore increasing citations to start, you know, making people pay attention

544
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,000
 to pedestrians and bikes.

545
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
 So this might be an opportune time with school coming up, and we can talk about our meeting

546
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,760
 in September, but in an upcoming meeting, now that we're going to have a lot of pedestrians

547
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:47,920
 back in town, maybe we invite the police to give us kind of a brief insight to what their

548
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
 practices are and where their priorities are.

549
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:57,640
 I'm sure it's not going to be popular among vehicle drivers, but the vehicles are going

550
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,560
 to win, and the pedestrians and cyclists are going to lose.

551
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,320
 So they lose 35 bucks because they haven't yielded.

552
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,120
 Well, you know, maybe that will stop a pedestrian from losing a leg.

553
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,000
 So would it be of interest to have a presentation from PD?

554
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
 Sure.

555
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000
 Yes.

556
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,560
 Because they're ramping up right now, so, whether it be September or October, that probably

557
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,600
 would be an opportune time.

558
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,360
 That'd work, yeah.

559
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,360
 I'm not here.

560
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,360
 Y'all can do it.

561
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,360
 I'll come watch.

562
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,960
 And then just another thing about going forward is associated policies.

563
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,960
 I think I've mentioned this one before, but we have some new peoples.

564
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,760
 I know some cities have tried the universal, like, downtown speed limit, you know, as a

565
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,040
 way, because I know speed limits usually don't change behavior, but I guess there's been

566
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,840
 some success around if it's, like, marked distinctly, and it's the whole area is the

567
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,800
 same speed limit, so we slow down.

568
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,440
 And you know, we have clear problems on Bell and Carroll.

569
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,640
 People treat those like little highways.

570
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,720
 They have low traffic, so cars can just speed up and gun it.

571
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,600
 But they're right next to the core.

572
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,000
 It's at the center of our city where you have the most cyclists and pedestrians.

573
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,480
 So again, I think just going back to that idea of, like, at some point we have to decide,

574
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:20,000
 do we want people to be safer or do we want cars to be 30 seconds quicker to their destination?

575
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
 And that's the tradeoff.

576
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,120
 And so, I mean, I think a lot of times it's really hard to get that 30 seconds away from

577
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,360
 cars, but it could save life, and also not just save a life, but get people out walking

578
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,400
 and biking because they'll feel safe on these streets.

579
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,020
 But when your core of your city has Bell and Carroll cutting through it with cars flying

580
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:37,840
 through those, it makes it really hard.

581
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,620
 I mean, whether you're sitting at Bell, if you go over to Armadillo and Cryptozoology

582
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:46,280
 and watch cars come around that corner, I mean, you can think you're walking across

583
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,240
 the street with no one there, and before you know it, if you don't start running, you will

584
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,000
 get hit by a car.

585
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,280
 And the same problem can exist on Carroll, too, and again, those are one block off the

586
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,640
 center of the square.

587
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,080
 So I don't know, I just think without thinking about slowing down our streets and what that

588
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,540
 would look like, it's hard to ever really address, like, make these numbers lower, which

589
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:10,680
 I think everyone wants, but you have to have tradeoffs at some point.

590
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,440
 So just thinking about some of those solutions of slowing the streets, like universal design,

591
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,560
 that's artwork even, you know.

592
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,680
 I think that's something we proposed at Carroll and Hickory is artwork as a way to kind of

593
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,720
 draw attention to drivers as you're entering a special area.

594
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,720
 Don't hit people with your car.

595
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,560
 I have another thought.

596
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,600
 So this was my thought was because something happened this past week, and I'm wondering,

597
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:43,600
 I know the city already has no riding your bike on the sidewalk on the square and then

598
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,280
 one block off, but I'm wondering if that needs to be extended.

599
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:56,040
 Because even if you are going 10 miles an hour, if you are on a bike and you ride down

600
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,600
 the sidewalk, you can still get hit.

601
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,440
 Because they're not always looking for you on your bike.

602
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,320
 You know, I mean, they might be looking for a pedestrian, but they're not necessarily

603
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,540
 looking for a bike on a sidewalk.

604
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:17,400
 So I'm just throwing this out to Mark, do you have any stats, do you know if those things,

605
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:24,720
 if it becomes illegal, does that help at all?

606
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:36,960
 In a dense area like the square where traffic is hopefully moving more slowly, you, yes,

607
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:44,440
 I think it is safer to have the majority of bicycles off of the sidewalk.

608
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:50,640
 But I would say kids under a certain age, I would keep on the sidewalk.

609
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:59,120
 And I would say many other areas, you want that sidewalk to be available to people.

610
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:08,040
 You know, some of the problems are vehicles backing out of driveways, shared space where

611
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,520
 you have a lot of pedestrians in that downtown area.

612
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,160
 I think that's why the square and that one block outside of it is because of the high

613
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:21,080
 pedestrian density and the difference in speeds between pedestrians and bicycles.

614
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,080
 It made sense.

615
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,760
 And you know, there may be an argument as the -- I don't know how long that's been

616
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,000
 in place, you know, but as downtown continues to grow and thrive and you get more businesses,

617
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,800
 more foot traffic, you know, there may be an argument to that.

618
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:47,720
 I don't have specific data about sidewalk injuries, but that's a good point.

619
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:48,720
 >> Okay.

620
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,720
 All right.

621
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:50,720
 Anybody, anything else from us?

622
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,000
 I've got one card from someone who wishes to speak.

623
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
 Okay.

624
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:04,960
 Jennifer Lane, you can come on up and state your address and let's hear from you.

625
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:12,040
 >> Hello, Jennifer Lane, 1526 Willowwood Street.

626
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:17,120
 Yeah, I came specifically to talk about the Highland Park Road, but the presentation hasn't

627
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
 actually happened on that, but I'm just as happy to be up here talking about this.

628
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,960
 >> Okay.

629
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,960
 Because that one's next.

630
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,960
 >> Yeah.

631
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,960
 So that's fine.

632
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,840
 If you call me, I kind of want to anyway.

633
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,720
 Some of the more well-known accidents in Denton have been -- have involved people riding on

634
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,720
 the sidewalks.

635
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,320
 It really is dangerous.

636
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,240
 Not just because of the things that were just described, namely backing out cars and high

637
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:43,280
 pedestrian density, but also bushes and so forth that -- and drivers can't see that someone's

638
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,720
 coming.

639
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:49,280
 So generally speaking, the bike lanes are, you know, much, much safer.

640
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,600
 The sharrows have been shown not to be as safe as dedicated bike lanes, and split pathways

641
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:01,200
 with bike lanes and pedestrian pathways are also good where you can have them.

642
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,160
 I really liked hearing about the possibility of citations for deterrence.

643
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,160
 That's really great.

644
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,600
 And then, should I go ahead and speak about Highland?

645
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,600
 Not a whole lot to say, but maybe --

646
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,600
 >> We'll have to wait on that.

647
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,880
 >> -- maybe I'll have your presentation first.

648
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,840
 >> Yeah, we'll wait until after that, but --

649
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,800
 >> I will just go on to use the few minutes that I have left to say that finally after

650
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:27,280
 ten years, the yellow lights have been lengthened at certain intersections that the green light

651
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,400
 was too short to cross on a bicycle.

652
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,240
 In fact, I filmed one of them on University Drive ten years ago because I was hit there,

653
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,800
 and I filmed it, and it was less than five seconds to get across when there was a median

654
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,360
 there, and so the light would change while the person was crossing.

655
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,320
 And even though my own insurance company, my driver's insurance, informed me that the

656
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,760
 intersection was mine until I got through, it belongs to the driver, anybody on a vehicle

657
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:59,920
 going across, the driver came through nonetheless and did hit me.

658
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,440
 So that is a really big victory, I think, that between the red light cameras and the

659
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,320
 bicycle advocacy got that lengthened just enough to enable people to get across.

660
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:17,240
 Dallas and Fulton don't have any minimum green at all, so there's no, you know, stand there

661
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,920
 for 24 hours, I suppose, if there's no car that comes along to enable the light to change

662
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,920
 or trigger the sensor.

663
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:23,920
 So that's --

664
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,920
 >> Yeah, we've been working on that.

665
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,920
 >> Yeah, that's great.

666
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,920
 >> On both of those.

667
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,920
 >> Yeah, congratulations on that.

668
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,920
 That's really good.

669
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,200
 And in places that I've lived before where they had the Idaho laws, I highly recommend

670
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,200
 because --

671
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,200
 >> We've tried.

672
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,200
 >> Yeah, I know.

673
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,200
 I know.

674
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,200
 I know.

675
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,200
 Keep trying.

676
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,560
 Because there's, you know, maybe tweaks and so forth that will fit.

677
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,640
 I came from Lexington, Kentucky, where they did adopt those, and a former body, you know,

678
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,880
 10 years ago was pretty excited because it was another southern city, not Oregon or something,

679
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,840
 you know, where, you know, you had to think about all that.

680
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,760
 But the stop in particular, I would just describe it as follows, that if you are on a bicycle

681
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,320
 and you have to stop, you have to get off and out of the vehicle, it would be the same

682
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,680
 as if every time a driver pulled up to a light and had to step outside the car.

683
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,440
 So that's the difference between a yield and a stop.

684
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,760
 And if the weaker, smaller, slower vehicles can go through first, based on common sense

685
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,220
 and what they perceive, and then the big 4,000 pounds go and the light changes, it's safer

686
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:22,760
 for all concerned.

687
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:23,760
 Thanks.

688
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,760
 >> Okay.

689
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,400
 And so the -- we're doing 40 next, the Highland, and so I should -- I put you down -- because

690
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,760
 you do have 38, this item numbered on here.

691
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,760
 >> Oh, okay.

692
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,760
 I thought it was the Highland.

693
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,760
 >> So I'll also do -- should I put you down for 40 also?

694
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,760
 >> Yeah, I thought that was --

695
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,760
 >> Okay.

696
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,760
 >> I must have been --

697
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,760
 >> I gotcha.

698
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,760
 >> It must have been the number below or --

699
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,760
 >> Okay.

700
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:47,400
 >> And what we learned about the Idaho stop, right, was that we have to do that at the

701
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,400
 state level.

702
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,400
 >> State level.

703
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,400
 >> So if you have --

704
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,400
 >> So write your legislature.

705
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,400
 >> Write your legislature at the state level.

706
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,400
 >> Oh, that's a great --

707
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,060
 >> Yeah, because we cannot change it at the municipal level.

708
00:49:58,060 --> 00:50:02,200
 >> You probably could get the state level to allow municipalities to introduce it, because

709
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,800
 that's how others have in other states.

710
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,640
 It's not on the state level in Idaho or Kentucky or in Oregon.

711
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,800
 It's on the municipal level.

712
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,800
 >> Right.

713
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,080
 >> So they would simply have to allow cities to choose.

714
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,080
 >> Right.

715
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,080
 >> Yeah.

716
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,040
 >> I guess it's prohibited at this point.

717
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,880
 All I know is that the state level passed the three-foot passage, and then it was vetoed.

718
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:30,120
 So the state was pretty enthusiastic about protecting cyclists, enough to do that, and

719
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,040
 then it was vetoed by, at the time, Perry.

720
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:38,760
 Was it a broader set of laws, policies, that cities can't make their own policy, or was

721
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,760
 it specific?

722
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,760
 I couldn't remember.

723
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:41,760
 >> I sure would like to see --

724
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,720
 >> Because we had a presentation on this where we all wanted it, and they basically told

725
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,840
 us you have to lobby at the state level.

726
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,560
 >> Where would I see that presentation, because, you know, you know how it is.

727
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,560
 >> Yeah.

728
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,560
 >> Yeah.

729
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,680
 >> One can be easily fooled into thinking that you're seeing one thing and you're not.

730
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,240
 >> April or May.

731
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,240
 >> Yeah.

732
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,240
 >> What's in the spring?

733
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,240
 Yeah.

734
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,200
 >> I would say go back and really look at that, because they would have to pass an awful lot

735
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,080
 of laws to make that impossible here.

736
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,080
 >> Yeah.

737
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,840
 >> Well, they've passed some.

738
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,840
 I know that.

739
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,840
 >> Yeah.

740
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,840
 >> Okay.

741
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,240
 >> They've taken away, I mean, we know in debt and --

742
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:12,240
 >> Yeah.

743
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,200
 >> Sort of the thing of overturning local control type of laws?

744
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,200
 >> Local control, yeah.

745
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,200
 >> Mm-hmm.

746
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,200
 >> Yes.

747
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,200
 >> Mm-hmm.

748
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,200
 >> That's really interesting.

749
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,200
 >> Yeah.

750
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,200
 >> Mm-hmm.

751
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,200
 Okay.

752
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,200
 Thank you.

753
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,200
 >> Connected really is a stupid state, and I'm on record.

754
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,200
 >> All right.

755
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,200
 Thank you.

756
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,200
 All right.

757
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,920
 Does anybody else have anything to discuss on this item?

758
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,640
 038.

759
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,760
 Okay.

760
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:44,200
 That brings us to TSC 19-040, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide

761
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,440
 direction to staff regarding the Highland Street Protected Bike Lane Demonstration Project.

762
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,320
 >> Good evening again.

763
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:59,080
 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city.

764
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,520
 So we're going to talk about the Highland Street Protected Bike Lane.

765
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,920
 Highland Street is a one-way street.

766
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,880
 It's the section that we're discussing tonight is just south of UNT.

767
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,440
 It actually goes through the campus.

768
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,520
 Here's an overview map for you if you look right in the middle there.

769
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,080
 It's the library mall.

770
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,960
 I think the library is this one.

771
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:26,760
 And it's about five to six blocks, depending how you measure it, currently, where there

772
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,480
 is a contraflow bike lane.

773
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,520
 So vehicular traffic is going from your left to your right, eastbound, but on the north

774
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:43,440
 side there is a buffered bike lane that allows bicycles to go the opposite direction.

775
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:51,600
 Bicycles that wish to go the same direction as traffic use the right side lane currently.

776
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,240
 So here is some pictures of this.

777
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:03,120
 These are the two on the left are file photos that I have in my files and these predate me.

778
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:09,520
 On the right, this is the official Google Maps street view picture, and you can see

779
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,760
 that this is blocked.

780
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,960
 Basically what happens is this is a very popular pickup and drop-off point for students because

781
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,680
 it's right next to the libraries.

782
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,160
 And vehicles come up.

783
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:27,560
 They use the international parking permit, which is your hazards, throw those on and

784
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,560
 block it.

785
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:36,640
 Here is, there's actually an Instagram account that is entirely dedicated to this problem.

786
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:45,160
 This is the address for it up here on the right, Highland_st_parking_lane, which chronicles

787
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,160
 this.

788
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,120
 We've seen videos of this as well.

789
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,200
 So this is a well-documented problem and something that we would like to see addressed, has been

790
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,200
 brought up.

791
00:53:54,200 --> 00:54:03,080
 And we did a fair amount of work towards changing this about six months ago, but it is stalled

792
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,760
 currently and we'll discuss that and why.

793
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,520
 So this, this is the proposed change.

794
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:18,280
 This is a, not an engineer's rendering, not to scale, but it is designed to demonstrate

795
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,680
 what we are proposing here.

796
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,840
 So north is to your right.

797
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,800
 Your vehicular traffic will continue in that same eastbound direction.

798
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,320
 So imagine the library is over here on the right side.

799
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:37,680
 And so what we are proposing is instead of having just the one contraflow bicycle lane

800
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,280
 is that we expand that area.

801
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,120
 So we have two six foot lanes, one contraflow, which will be against the curb.

802
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,560
 That will be, you know, the American way of driving.

803
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:56,360
 So drive on the right side, bicycles will be approaching each other in the correct way.

804
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,640
 And the bicycles going in the same direction as the vehicular traffic will be closest to

805
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,000
 the vehicular traffic, which is safer.

806
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,640
 We'll still have a two foot buffer proposed.

807
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:18,360
 Now we, as with many good ideas, this kind of broke down in negotiating the details,

808
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,600
 I would say.

809
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,640
 So we met a couple times with UNT leadership.

810
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:30,920
 I was not at all of those meetings, but really two things happened.

811
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:37,600
 So one was there was concern about the lanes looking overly cluttered by having what we

812
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:47,400
 proposed as the physical barrier is these plastic delineator posts, reflective 36 inches

813
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,720
 to four feet tall.

814
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:59,480
 And ideally we would like to have them every 20 feet, maybe even every 15, because that

815
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:08,580
 way it's much more difficult for cars to weave their way against the curb into the bicycle

816
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:11,080
 lanes.

817
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:16,360
 The request most recently from the people we've been working with at UNT was for a 40 foot

818
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:25,900
 interval because they didn't like the way that this would sort of clutter up the visual

819
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:29,200
 appeal of the campus.

820
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,720
 I don't think, well, I don't think that's sufficient.

821
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:40,560
 Now maybe a miracle will happen or something, but with delineator posts 40 feet apart I

822
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,680
 think we're still going to have plenty of vehicles just pulling over real quick to drop

823
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,200
 off or pick up or whatever it's going to be.

824
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,940
 And then on the opposite side there would, depending on the block face, either a loading

825
00:56:53,940 --> 00:57:01,760
 zone or potentially some parallel parking available and we would still have two lanes

826
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,760
 there.

827
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:09,040
 So then the other issue is in talking with UNT we had proposed this 50/50 cost sharing

828
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,160
 estimate and UNT said, well, at the time we have $10,000 ready to do this.

829
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,600
 But once we calculated, crunched the numbers a little further, it looked like it would

830
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,000
 be more like $40,000 to change all of the striping.

831
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:34,340
 And so we just never got back together on meeting in the middle somehow on that.

832
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:42,720
 So I wish I could say there was something else positive happening.

833
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:52,760
 But as of right now this is stalled and maybe it just needs a nudge.

834
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,400
 When you say UNT, who do these negotiations take place?

835
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,960
 The most recent ones happened far above my level.

836
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:09,680
 I think it was like a vice president for facilities or something like that.

837
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,560
 I can track down, but it definitely happened, I wasn't even invited to that meeting when

838
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,560
 it was discussed.

839
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,760
 I was just informed of what came out of it.

840
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,760
 Hey.

841
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,760
 Who for the city was at that meeting?

842
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,880
 I think it was pre-TAM and it was a number of months ago.

843
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:31,000
 Is that a traffic enforcement thing, too?

844
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,600
 Yeah, there have been.

845
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,880
 So can we, so can UNT get their --

846
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,880
 UNT has --

847
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,920
 I don't know if they're calling the police.

848
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,040
 Yeah, like I don't know what you call it, a sting operator, not a staffer, a hot enforcement

849
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,040
 or they would, you know --

850
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,120
 You know, if they can be ticketed for it, it's the same thing as if you're in the city.

851
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,120
 And they do that.

852
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:59,000
 And, you know, if they're blocking a bike line, they're blocking a -- if they're not

853
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,800
 supposed to do it, and the police seat, if I do it, the police seat means they're going

854
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,800
 to take it.

855
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:11,360
 I understand you're a student, but if it's a safety thing, and you there, and the police

856
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,360
 are there, well, again, they should bear the brunt of doing what they're not supposed to

857
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,360
 do.

858
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,360
 I have to do it.

859
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,440
 Everybody else has to do it.

860
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,720
 So if they're parking in a bike lane, we can widen it out, but then they're just going

861
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
 to say, "Hey, I'm just going to stop in the first bike lane.

862
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,480
 I didn't go all the way through the curb."

863
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,480
 You know what I mean?

864
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,920
 But you start hitting the student where they can't get no piece of, you know, whatever

865
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:43,400
 they spend their money on, and they're going to sink in and say, "Hey, we can't do this."

866
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,560
 You know, and if we put up those cones, you can weave in and weave -- trust me, those

867
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,960
 little cones, man, you can get in and out real fast.

868
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,760
 If you put them 40 feet away, they can --

869
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,760
 Right.

870
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,760
 It'll just become a game.

871
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,760
 It'll become --

872
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:59,760
 Yeah, you know.

873
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,760
 Those little cones.

874
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:01,760
 What do you call those courses?

875
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,760
 Obstacle course.

876
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,640
 But if we do our part to say, "Okay, we're going to do this," then we need an enforcement

877
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,760
 to say, "If we catch you, then you will get a ticket, and you will have to pay, and you

878
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:19,160
 do that to 50 or 60 students that are going to get around the campus," I can almost guarantee

879
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,160
 you that stuff.

880
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,760
 Yeah, that -- it needs to be a two-pronged approach, absolutely.

881
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,960
 I know there have been some focused operations where they have given a number of tickets.

882
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:35,160
 I mean, one issue with universities is the population turns over at least every year,

883
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,400
 and then often each semester, you get turnover.

884
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,360
 So you have to do continuous education with that.

885
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:47,680
 And so part of our thought with this is, you know, one way to get people to obey the speed

886
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:53,920
 limit is to introduce -- or obey traffic laws is to introduce some sort of a physical element

887
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,520
 that essentially forces them to do so, and then, you know, you're a sleeping policeman,

888
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,160
 if you will.

889
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,120
 And that is what we were trying for here.

890
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:12,760
 That's what we were trying for, but I agree it would be great to see some more enforcement.

891
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,760
 Yeah.

892
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:20,320
 I'd like to say, for the record, that I think people who cycle, their lives are more important

893
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,280
 than the beautification of the campus.

894
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,480
 That's a good way to --

895
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,480
 And it looks fine.

896
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,480
 It looks fine.

897
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,480
 Yeah.

898
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,480
 It's not even cluttering.

899
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,480
 It looks totally fine.

900
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,200
 Big cities all over have it, and no one ever complains about it or anything.

901
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:39,860
 But yeah, and if you don't -- so I work right on this strip, and I mean, just -- I mean,

902
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:44,400
 it shows it there, but if you are going north on this and cars are in the way, you have

903
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,680
 to go into oncoming traffic.

904
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,720
 You have to veer on a bicycle into oncoming traffic.

905
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:55,040
 So anyways, I usually just sit in front of the cars and beep at them with my imaginary

906
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,360
 horn until they move.

907
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,760
 But this is such an easy call, and it's disappointing, I think, because we were told we were finally

908
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,940
 getting a protected bike lane, and I was so excited, and it's falling apart.

909
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:12,200
 So if there's anything I can do, I'd like to rally the UNT community, because I don't

910
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,080
 know if this represents what the pedestrians and bikers on that campus feel.

911
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,840
 But it's -- as the pictures show, it's been a problem for a long time, and the only way

912
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,920
 to solve it is to make it so you really can't get in and out of those lanes.

913
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:30,200
 Well, in the last semester at UNT, they did start doing through the Traffic Services Department

914
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:38,920
 a monthly bicycle working group, and faculty and students have been invited.

915
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:46,480
 I am quite certain that's going to start up again with the new semester.

916
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,800
 And so this would be a good topic to bring to that, something I attend.

917
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:57,480
 And anyone out there affiliated with UNT can contact me to find out about it.

918
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:07,520
 It has to be some determined, if we do what's proposed, it still has to be some determined

919
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,920
 for -- regardless if they're going to be there next year or the year before, there has to

920
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:19,720
 be a standing thing that if you -- if we can't you doing this after us and UNT have worked

921
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:26,040
 together to make things safer, if we can't you doing this, it has to be some kind of

922
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:31,800
 you know, to where, hey, you know, we're making it safe, but if you're not going to follow

923
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:37,920
 the safety rules that we're putting in place, right now what's the determent of them just

924
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,040
 to keep on doing it, you know, and because of the fact, you know.

925
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,400
 A lot of the kids don't know.

926
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,440
 You know, they get to campus, they don't know any better.

927
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,200
 Some of them have never seen a bike lane before when they get to UNT.

928
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,200
 And so, I mean, this is like -- you know, that's why we should just solve it by rebuilding,

929
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,200
 putting the posts up.

930
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,200
 Yeah.

931
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:59,760
 Because we can solve everything, right, instead of having to, you know, train everyone on

932
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,760
 how to, you know, address that situation.

933
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:09,780
 Have a police officer out there all the time just put up a deterrent and move on.

934
01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:12,520
 And they -- again, they just don't -- you know, half the time I ride up to them and

935
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,960
 like, hey, you need to move out of this lane.

936
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,880
 They like -- or have no clue what's happening.

937
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,880
 Yeah.

938
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,880
 You know, they don't know.

939
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,880
 They don't know what it looks like.

940
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,400
 And so, if we could just -- I just -- if there's anything we can do, I would love to know as

941
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,960
 a UNT faculty member, you know, who's on that campus, what we can do to advocate within

942
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,680
 the university to get this flowing again, because it was promising.

943
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:32,680
 Yeah.

944
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:33,680
 Yeah.

945
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:43,000
 Is there -- if their problem is the aesthetics of the whole thing, what about some bolt-down

946
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,480
 curbs or concrete that UNT could paint green and white?

947
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,480
 Mm-hmm.

948
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,480
 Yeah.

949
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:50,480
 Yeah.

950
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,480
 They could put some school spirit.

951
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:52,480
 Yeah.

952
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,480
 Put a needle on it.

953
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,480
 They'll probably put -- you put it up.

954
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,480
 Put a needle on it.

955
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:56,480
 Right.

956
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,480
 You know.

957
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,480
 Just put a bird on it.

958
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,480
 It's fine.

959
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,480
 Yeah.

960
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,480
 Or planters or something.

961
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,480
 Yeah.

962
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,480
 Or, you know, have some art students work on it.

963
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,480
 Yeah.

964
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,480
 Yeah.

965
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:06,480
 Someone runs into it.

966
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,480
 It'll play the school song real loud.

967
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:08,480
 Yeah.

968
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,480
 Yeah.

969
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,480
 Yeah.

970
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,480
 Incentive.

971
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:12,480
 Yeah.

972
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,480
 Yeah.

973
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:14,480
 I'm even wondering why Highland has to have two traffic lanes.

974
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:20,480
 You know, Avenue C is down to, you know, one traffic lane per direction.

975
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:28,200
 Belch is going to undergrow a road diet, and it will be also right down to one lane each

976
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,200
 way.

977
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,200
 That's the plan.

978
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:36,680
 And then why in the world does Highland, as an interiors road, need to be -- have two

979
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,680
 traffic lanes?

980
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,560
 And it generally does not have that much traffic.

981
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,560
 It doesn't.

982
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,560
 And it shouldn't.

983
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:43,560
 Yeah.

984
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,720
 It's the main detour for the buses.

985
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,720
 A detour, though.

986
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:53,440
 Or it's our main detour for Discovery Park, a couple other buses, until there's construction

987
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,440
 on Hickory.

988
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,440
 Okay.

989
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,000
 The other point I want to make is your delineators, they should be the same ones that you're going

990
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,120
 to put on Hickory to make it consistent.

991
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,680
 We've already had that conversation several times about taking the parking off and, you

992
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,560
 know, putting up the delineators, or a coffee.

993
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,560
 Yeah.

994
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:14,560
 Yeah.

995
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:20,880
 And to make it consistent throughout the small area, they ought to be the same.

996
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,880
 You're saying the same posts?

997
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:22,880
 Yeah.

998
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,880
 The same.

999
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,880
 Yes.

1000
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,880
 I agree.

1001
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,880
 I think it's a great idea.

1002
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:27,880
 Yeah.

1003
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,000
 And we are planning for them to be much closer together on Hickory.

1004
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,600
 It's a little hard to remember because it was a number of months ago, but I think there

1005
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,080
 were two things discussed about having both lanes there.

1006
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:46,920
 One of them may have had to do with fire apparatus accessing the area.

1007
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:53,840
 There's certain width requirements about that, but I don't recall exactly.

1008
01:06:53,840 --> 01:07:00,840
 It's a good question, again, I seem to remember it came up, but I can't recall what the justification

1009
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,680
 was for continuing to have both lanes.

1010
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:12,480
 Well, I'm just curious because it shouldn't be a, I mean, if we want to, as we remove

1011
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:20,440
 parking from the center of campus, you know, which is a stated goal, we will also be minimizing

1012
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:31,560
 traffic in the center of campus, and so the need for the two should minimize.

1013
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:42,240
 I have a card, and our people have left.

1014
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:50,520
 They did not wish to speak, but I have a card that, it seems, a tandem card with Tran Templeton.

1015
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:59,800
 Also speaking with Christopher Moffitt, okay, address 321 West Hickory Street, Denton, Texas.

1016
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,840
 The comment, it was a written comment, it would be negligent, a negligent move for UNT

1017
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:13,040
 and the city of Denton not to do what it possibly can to protect the safety of bike riders in

1018
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,040
 around UNT campus.

1019
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,680
 Bike riders comprise of faculty, community members, and most importantly, students who

1020
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,880
 may not own cars or may not be able to afford the exorbitant cost to commute to and park

1021
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,480
 on campus.

1022
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:31,920
 We are two faculty members who bike to UNT because it is, one, more affordable than parking

1023
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,440
 on campus, two, better for the environment, and three, allows us to be healthier.

1024
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:41,080
 In fact, one reason we moved from New York City to Denton instead of a larger city was

1025
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,760
 to be able to move about more easily without the environmental burdens of automobiles.

1026
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:51,100
 Denton should be able to make the moves necessary to allow for bikes more easily and to safely

1027
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:53,480
 navigate the city.

1028
01:08:53,480 --> 01:09:01,080
 So that was a comment on this item and anything else.

1029
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:02,080
 Clay?

1030
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:08,520
 Is there any renegotiations or are we going back to them for anything?

1031
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,520
 Nothing's scheduled at the moment.

1032
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,200
 It's certainly within the realm of the possible.

1033
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:21,620
 I know there are also some asks from UNT to the city for other infrastructure.

1034
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:27,920
 And so there may be the possibility to sort of, I'll scratch your back if you scratch

1035
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,480
 mine, kind of deal.

1036
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:33,840
 So some horse trading to do.

1037
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:42,880
 Yeah, but I do think the first, I will bring this up as the topic in our first UNT bicycle,

1038
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:52,880
 what's the, I can't remember the formal name of it, but the bicycle steering group that

1039
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,880
 meets monthly.

1040
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,720
 I'll bring it up.

1041
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,080
 Can we get that, can you send us that information for that?

1042
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,080
 Yeah, yeah.

1043
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,200
 And then if you could send us any contact information for the people who would be the

1044
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,800
 best to contact on this issue, both at UNT and the city.

1045
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:08,800
 Okay.

1046
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:09,800
 Appreciate that.

1047
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:10,800
 Thank you so much.

1048
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:24,480
 Okay, anybody else have anything on this issue?

1049
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,560
 All right, in that case, thank you, Mark.

1050
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,720
 That brings us to TSC 19-041, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

1051
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,480
 the treatment of uncontrolled intersections within the city of Denton.

1052
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,760
 Good evening, Brian Yahn, city traffic engineer and your staff liaison.

1053
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:55,040
 So I want to talk a little bit about uncontrolled intersections, and the first step is to define

1054
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,260
 an uncontrolled intersection.

1055
01:10:56,260 --> 01:11:01,160
 So an uncontrolled intersection is anything, any intersection that doesn't have a sign

1056
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:06,120
 or pavement markings to designate who has the right of way, and we have a lot of these

1057
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,120
 in town.

1058
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,180
 So you have three-way intersections, you have four-way intersections that don't have a stop

1059
01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:13,800
 sign, a yield sign, a stop bar, a center line.

1060
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:19,160
 It's just two roads of the same size that meet.

1061
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,440
 So next question is, who has the right of way, and the state defines who has the right

1062
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:30,080
 of way, and you can read this, but basically, in a nutshell, it's whoever gets there first.

1063
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,680
 And if you get there at the same time, it's the person to the right, with the exception

1064
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:38,760
 of if you're at a T-intersection, then the person on the street that ends never has the

1065
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,100
 right of way.

1066
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:44,320
 Always has to yield to the major street that's through.

1067
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,360
 Same thing.

1068
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,160
 So the city of Denton, so what's our current policy?

1069
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:58,160
 And this is the ordinance perspective, and it says that I have the ability to determine

1070
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,200
 that any intersection in the city should or can be stop controlled.

1071
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:07,280
 Now, that can be side street stop or always stop, and once I determine it's going to be

1072
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:12,280
 a stop control and which street's going to stop, I have to erect signs and post that

1073
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,680
 so people can visually see it.

1074
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,360
 And then it goes on to say who has the right of way, which basically is the same as what

1075
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:24,200
 the state of Texas has identified.

1076
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:33,240
 So to further that, the city has taken the stance, and I don't know when this started,

1077
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:37,880
 but it's been a while because we've actually gone through a program of removing stop signs

1078
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,320
 at certain intersections where we didn't think that they needed to have stop control or right

1079
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,880
 of way designation.

1080
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:51,560
 But the city's policy is not to install stop signs unless we have crash history or if one

1081
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:59,520
 of the streets has significantly higher traffic volume or there's some sight distance issues.

1082
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:05,480
 So we've got some thresholds that we have to meet relative to traffic volume, but basically

1083
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:10,540
 our knee-jerk reaction is, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and we don't need a stop

1084
01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:15,560
 sign.

1085
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:22,200
 Personal opinion, this leads to driver confusion and crash experience.

1086
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:29,080
 So we've got several requests on the table before I got here and since I arrived, people

1087
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:34,560
 requesting stop signs at tees or some kind of stop control at four-way intersections

1088
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,560
 that don't have anything.

1089
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:43,480
 So what we are looking for, and this is kind of an informational, we have a staff recommendation,

1090
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:47,680
 we have a plan moving forward, what I'd like to do today is tell you what that is.

1091
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,360
 And if you want to discuss that, we can, and if you want to dig in further, we can bring

1092
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,800
 it back at a later date and talk further.

1093
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,520
 I just wanted to kind of broach the subject.

1094
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,200
 If you'll remember, let me step back a little bit.

1095
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,940
 And again, an opportune, we had the discussion earlier today about Dutchess, and we didn't

1096
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:09,200
 bring that to you because ordinance already said if you can't provide 10 feet of travel

1097
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,960
 in each direction with on-street parking, you can't have on-street parking.

1098
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:18,120
 So we brought an informational item to you that says look, if the ordinance already says

1099
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,880
 that we have the right to do this, we're going to do this, if we take action, we're going

1100
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,120
 to bring it to you as an informational item, which is what we did tonight for Dutchess,

1101
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,640
 and this is what we're proposing here.

1102
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:34,200
 The ordinance already gives us the ability to designate stop control, whether it be side

1103
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:39,840
 street stop, or two-way stop, or a four-way stop, and move forward through the installation

1104
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,240
 of signs and enacting that.

1105
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,960
 So I'm here to tell you, we're going to do that.

1106
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:50,520
 We're going to start installing stop signs at uncontrolled intersections to designate

1107
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,280
 who has the right of way.

1108
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,440
 Because as a driver, you're driving along and you're passing intersection after intersection

1109
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:03,240
 and you don't have a stop sign, why would you think that you need to stop and yield

1110
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,200
 to somebody who's crossing?

1111
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,320
 Most likely you're going to go, you idiot, didn't you see me coming?

1112
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,240
 I don't have a stop sign, I don't have to yield.

1113
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,700
 So what we're trying to do is just give drivers visual cue.

1114
01:15:15,700 --> 01:15:19,200
 If you're on the lower, and this is our typical approach, is going to be on the lower volume

1115
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:26,000
 street or the one that has the least reach, as we call it, is going to get the stop.

1116
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:33,200
 And in certain cases, if we have sight distance, we can reverse that or place an all-way stop,

1117
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:39,200
 but we're really going to try and just dedicate or designate right of way to one street or

1118
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,200
 the other.

1119
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,200
 So there's no confusion.

1120
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:42,880
 If you don't see a stop sign, you don't have to stop.

1121
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,920
 If you do, you have to stop.

1122
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:54,680
 So moving forward, we will be installing stop signs on the lesser of the two on a four-way

1123
01:15:54,680 --> 01:16:00,680
 or and we will also begin installing, reinstalling, perhaps again, we've had a policy 20 years

1124
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,840
 ago that we installed these on T's and then we had an era where we started to remove them

1125
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,720
 and now we're, you know, the pendulum's swinging the other way.

1126
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,680
 This is my fourth city and I've installed stop signs on T's and all four of them.

1127
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:17,920
 Just because the law says you have to stop doesn't mean people remember that or that

1128
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,560
 they actually stop.

1129
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:26,560
 And it's a lot easier for a citation to be issued if there's a sign that says stop than

1130
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:33,400
 if there's not because a lot of police are hesitant to issue a citation if there's no

1131
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,400
 sign supporting it.

1132
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,200
 If the no parking signs are too far apart, you can't see them.

1133
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,200
 I parked right here.

1134
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,200
 I can't see it.

1135
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,200
 No parking sign.

1136
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,200
 They won't issue that citation.

1137
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,720
 If there's no stop sign, there's really, you know, some cases there may not be a citation

1138
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:47,720
 to issue.

1139
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,480
 If you're on a four-way intersection and you have a crash, well, who's at fault?

1140
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:55,120
 Well, the police officer doesn't know because he wasn't there.

1141
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,680
 And neither has a stop sign.

1142
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,760
 So it's a little bit, again, leads to that driver confusion.

1143
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,600
 We're just trying to establish some consistency, which is another thing.

1144
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,520
 We have uncontrolled intersections in one subdivision.

1145
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,000
 The subdivision next to it, all the side streets have stops.

1146
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,500
 We don't have any uncontrolled.

1147
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:18,040
 So we're trying to bring that element of consistency into the driver expectations and what they

1148
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,720
 see on a day-to-day basis.

1149
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,680
 If you're in an area that you're not familiar with, it really helps to have some kind of

1150
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,040
 guidance on, hey, I'm coming up to a street.

1151
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,100
 I need to stop because there's a stop sign because they're not going to stop.

1152
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:33,960
 It's a major street or it carries more traffic or it's faster or whatever reason.

1153
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,460
 But that's why we're doing what we're doing.

1154
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:40,180
 So with that, some discussion.

1155
01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:44,200
 And if you want to change that, then we can bring that back because we really didn't give

1156
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,600
 you an opportunity because this is one of those things where the ordinance already gives

1157
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,360
 us the ability to do this.

1158
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,200
 And if we don't want to do, if we want to change that, then we might have to actually

1159
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,980
 go through an ordinance modification.

1160
01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:57,960
 So questions or discussion?

1161
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,400
 This kind of goes back to what I asked some time ago about if you already have the authority

1162
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,400
 to do it.

1163
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,400
 Why don't you just do it?

1164
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,800
 Thank you for bringing the information to us.

1165
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:14,000
 I would request that as you get these done, you present these to us also so we know what's

1166
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,000
 going on.

1167
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:20,440
 And to follow up on that, what notice will be given to citizens in those neighborhoods?

1168
01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:25,080
 So right now, the way we plan to take this down, and we've actually, I think we probably

1169
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,080
 already scheduled one.

1170
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,120
 We had a hot intersection that came through at 14 yet Dogwood.

1171
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,560
 And I think we may have already put up the side street stop.

1172
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,560
 But we're going to take these down subdivision at a time.

1173
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,520
 So we're not going to do onesie twosie.

1174
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,280
 If we're going to go in and put, and I've already got my team looking at the rest of

1175
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:49,240
 that neighborhood, we're going to approach the neighborhood as a whole, either flyers

1176
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:55,120
 or door hangers or something to indicate that this is coming to your community.

1177
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:00,080
 Every intersection that isn't controlled will be, either whether it be a T or in our four-way.

1178
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,040
 You're going to see stop signs.

1179
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,360
 And we'll have a layout of where we're going to put them.

1180
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,720
 We're not asking for permission.

1181
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,800
 It's just notification because this is a safety issue.

1182
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,560
 So anything that's life safety typically will take action based on engineering judgment.

1183
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,680
 And if we have some severe pushback, we can tweak.

1184
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,320
 But we're not really asking for permission to install the stop signs.

1185
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:27,840
 So we're planning on taking it out, subdivision at a time, neighborhood at a time.

1186
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,040
 So we may do 20, we may do 10, we may do 40.

1187
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,700
 But that's how we're going to take them down.

1188
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:34,760
 And it's just going to be as budget allows.

1189
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,040
 We've got a new fiscal year coming up.

1190
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,640
 So that's good.

1191
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,680
 Starting October 1, we're going to start looking at how we're going to approach and where we're

1192
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,840
 going to start and how we're going to proceed.

1193
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:49,240
 Yeah, I just think it's appropriate to let the citizens know because everybody gets into

1194
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:50,240
 a habit.

1195
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:51,240
 Sure.

1196
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,480
 And that habit is driving down and where did that sign come from?

1197
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:58,160
 Yeah, I've been driving this road for 20 years and I've never had to stop.

1198
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,160
 Exactly.

1199
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:00,160
 So I think we owe it to them.

1200
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,160
 Yeah.

1201
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,160
 Totally.

1202
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:03,160
 I understand and agree.

1203
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,160
 Yeah.

1204
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,960
 Will you need to be doing any traffic flow studies on any of these intersections?

1205
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,160
 We'll be doing some data collection.

1206
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,920
 Now some of it's a little bit easier, obviously the T's, those are easy.

1207
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,560
 And some of them where we have a cross street that goes two blocks in each direction versus

1208
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,240
 a cross street that goes 12 blocks in each direction, we know which one is the major.

1209
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:29,820
 And unless we have some site distance limitations or some other really strong motivation to

1210
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:33,360
 reverse it, we're going to go with the one that makes the most sense.

1211
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,360
 Okay.

1212
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:35,840
 Thank you.

1213
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:41,120
 Yeah, you're preaching to the choir with this one, so we like that.

1214
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,120
 Okay.

1215
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:43,120
 Thank you.

1216
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,120
 All right.

1217
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:50,720
 And that brings us to TSC 19-042, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion

1218
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,720
 regarding the bond committee ballot proposal package inclusions.

1219
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,720
 Okay.

1220
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:00,720
 So this one I've got to actually go.

1221
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:22,880
 Because I didn't load it.

1222
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:28,880
 This is the one on the bond where we've got some opportunities and some exciting news.

1223
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:51,720
 Okay, I'm just going to leave it like this for now.

1224
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,720
 Okay.

1225
01:21:52,720 --> 01:22:02,600
 So is everybody familiar with the special, what is this, special citizens bond committee?

1226
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,240
 Okay.

1227
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:12,880
 So this was established to vet from a citizen standpoint, the propositions for the upcoming

1228
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,160
 2019 bond, the November election, and what elements would be included.

1229
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,160
 We've got the three.

1230
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:23,320
 We have public safety, major roadway, which includes some local streets, parks and open

1231
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:28,200
 space and two other categories that are really, I think, very pertinent to us in that sidewalks

1232
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,680
 and street lights.

1233
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,880
 And so this is with one modification that I'll explain in a minute.

1234
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,800
 This is the proposition that's moving forward, or this is the bond package that's moving

1235
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:39,800
 forward.

1236
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,980
 Proposition one is public safety.

1237
01:22:41,980 --> 01:22:49,200
 So we've got the renovation of the PD facility, there's a substation, and then fire station

1238
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,160
 eight has been subsequently been replaced.

1239
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,840
 They're going to fund that in another way because it's ready to go faster than this

1240
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:56,840
 bond election.

1241
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,040
 They put the PD firing range in there.

1242
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:08,920
 What's most important to us is prop two and that's, I can't see that.

1243
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,840
 We've got Bonnie Bray, Hickory and Ryan, as you can't see this right in here that says

1244
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:19,800
 Ryan Road, that are some major reconstruction projects and realignments.

1245
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,260
 And then we've got the street rehab, which is really your neighborhood street program.

1246
01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:27,160
 And then street lights and sidewalks.

1247
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:34,600
 So Bonnie Bray, this is phase five, six and seven, which is the areas north towards where

1248
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:45,560
 the new high school is going in, and these are, again, they're funding $27 million.

1249
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,400
 The cost is $111 million, this is that we're planning on leveraging these funds with COG

1250
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,840
 to get the project completed.

1251
01:23:54,840 --> 01:24:00,800
 Hickory Creek, this is another one that's been around for a while, I guess, and has

1252
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,520
 moved forward very, very quickly.

1253
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,520
 Yes.

1254
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,920
 Can I ask you a question about the previous Bonnie Bray?

1255
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:06,920
 Yeah.

1256
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,960
 So it's widening the street.

1257
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:16,280
 Is there, what's being done for, is it sidewalks and I'm guessing there's no bike considerations

1258
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:17,280
 here?

1259
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,400
 I believe on Bonnie Bray we're putting side paths.

1260
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:25,840
 So typically on our, the approach that the city has taken is when you've got a high volume

1261
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:32,240
 or high speed roadway, four to six lanes wide, on street facility is really not the best

1262
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,240
 way to go.

1263
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,760
 The hardcore riders are going to ride where they want to ride, but the general public

1264
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:42,340
 really isn't comfortable and probably isn't safe riding on street.

1265
01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:44,280
 We'd rather have them in a shared path.

1266
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,400
 This goes back to the argument about sharing sidewalks and bicycles, but if you make them

1267
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:57,520
 10 to 12 feet wide, you should have adequate room to stripe a bike lane and sidewalk.

1268
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:04,960
 So the argument is, in that case, if you look at collisions, the collision of a cyclist

1269
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:10,880
 in a car has a pretty sure outcome.

1270
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:17,600
 Somebody's going to get seriously injured or die and if you have a crash between a pedestrian

1271
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:24,600
 and a cyclist, you probably have a pretty sure outcome that somebody might get hurt,

1272
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:25,840
 but probably nobody's going to die.

1273
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:31,880
 I don't know of one fatality, and that was on White Rock Lake in Dallas, where the cyclists

1274
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:40,240
 go about 60 miles an hour, and so typically it's a hazard exposure.

1275
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:44,720
 The exposure is less between cyclists and pedestrians than it is between cyclists and

1276
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:45,720
 vehicles.

1277
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:46,720
 It just is.

1278
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:52,120
 And so if we'd rather have the cyclists, again, they're still legally able, cyclists

1279
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:56,120
 are legally able to ride in the street, but we want to provide that alternative for the

1280
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,320
 non-aggressive cyclist or the recreational cyclist.

1281
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,040
 Do we know, is that for sure built into the plan?

1282
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,040
 I'd have to go back and look.

1283
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:10,520
 This thing is a moving target, but my understanding is that it's been the idea, the concept all

1284
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:11,520
 along.

1285
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,400
 The alignment keeps moving, too, so that's always interesting.

1286
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,280
 The picture here makes it look that way, that four-lane, because it's got a bike lane, two

1287
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,200
 cars, and a pedestrian, is that actually representative?

1288
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,200
 I'd have to go back.

1289
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,200
 These are not my slides, so I'm borrowing this, but the last I heard was we were going

1290
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,480
 to go with an off-street facility for Bonnie Brake.

1291
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:34,480
 No.

1292
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:35,480
 No bike lanes.

1293
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:36,480
 No.

1294
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,720
 The last cross-section I saw, engineering designs, was four lanes of traffic and then

1295
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,800
 the wide sidewalks, so.

1296
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:49,240
 Yeah, that can't be Bonnie Brake, because there's not 40-foot setbacks for those buildings,

1297
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:56,040
 but the one thing that's really important here is how we connect what's the whole new

1298
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,160
 area with the Alamo draft house and everything, because even though that's been built with

1299
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,960
 essentially more suburban design, which I think was a huge oversight, especially since

1300
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,280
 they're building a lot of housing, it's probably predictable that some UNT students are going

1301
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,520
 to live in those brand-new apartments there and find their way.

1302
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,800
 It's only about a mile and a half to campus, so I'm guessing not every one of them is going

1303
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,800
 to do a car, so I think having those connected, in a way, and we're off to a bad start with

1304
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,840
 the design of that whole development, but thinking how do we make a throughway for cyclists

1305
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:29,080
 and pedestrians, I think if we can keep an eye on that, that could potentially prevent

1306
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:33,780
 us having to do what we've been doing, is trying to make up 50 years of bad design.

1307
01:27:33,780 --> 01:27:38,280
 So I know we've talked about the mobility plan update, but that's a key component, is

1308
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:44,720
 the bicycle connectivity, and it's really, really, it's hand in glove with, you know,

1309
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:45,720
 it's really all modes.

1310
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,800
 It's pedestrian, it's cyclists, it's transit, it's vehicles.

1311
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,440
 We're really pushing for a more connected network.

1312
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:52,440
 Yeah.

1313
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:54,120
 I just, I don't know why the buildings were designed that way.

1314
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:55,620
 I wish we could have gone back to that.

1315
01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:59,200
 I mean, Alamo Drafthouse, there's no sidewalks anywhere.

1316
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:00,600
 You just have to walk through.

1317
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:01,600
 So if you're going to--

1318
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,600
 It's all just a giant parking lot.

1319
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,920
 Which, yeah, just a giant parking lot with apartments, and it just like blows the mind,

1320
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,840
 because we know this stuff, and it just keeps happening anyway, so.

1321
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,840
 But I know as a, I don't have a car, if anyone knows.

1322
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,440
 I ride my bike everywhere, so it's all I experience.

1323
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:20,040
 I've wanted to go there, but I've not, even me, I'm a pretty brave biker.

1324
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:24,760
 I've felt like that's too big of an adventure even for me to make my way over to Alamo on

1325
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:25,760
 a bike.

1326
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,480
 So I hope that this fixes that.

1327
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:28,480
 That'd be great.

1328
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:29,480
 Right.

1329
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:30,480
 Thank you.

1330
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:31,480
 Yeah.

1331
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:32,480
 And that goes back to the accident.

1332
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:42,040
 You got some businesses, that's right off of 35, restaurants, Alamo Drafthouse, and another

1333
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:49,040
 way to get there, if you're walking or biking, is to ride down 35, if you're on a service

1334
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,800
 road or not.

1335
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:56,760
 So that can be where it is, somebody's trying to get somewhere, where there is no bike path,

1336
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:04,640
 walk path, sidewalk, on the side of 35, to these businesses, that you come in contact

1337
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,680
 with other vehicles.

1338
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:15,760
 What you're saying goes all the way back to the accident that I grabbed that we showed.

1339
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,840
 So a little bit of history, I worked for the city of Carrollton in the '90s, and TechStat

1340
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,320
 would not allow us to build a sidewalk on their furniture.

1341
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,720
 Not only would they not do it themselves, they would not let us do it.

1342
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:33,760
 So we've had a full 180 from TechStat, and I applaud them for that, it's about time of

1343
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,800
 proactively including sidewalks in their projects.

1344
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:44,960
 We've got a lot of projects on 35, that would be a good presentation for this group, but

1345
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,960
 where sidewalks are actually incorporated, and they're wider, they're 8 to 10 foot sidewalks.

1346
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:55,760
 So we're moving in the right direction, again, as Mark said, we simply can't do everything

1347
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,760
 at once.

1348
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:01,840
 So we're trying to prioritize and work with our funding partners like TechStat and COG

1349
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:06,920
 to identify the pots of money, and it's on us to prioritize a lot of the stuff that's

1350
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,160
 really in the city purviews.

1351
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,600
 And so that's an exercise that we'll be undertaking.

1352
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:19,640
 Okay, so Hickory Creek, this has been pushed forward, there was a fatality I think earlier

1353
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,600
 this year, and so it got a lot of traction.

1354
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:31,420
 The proposal now is to take it all the way to 35 with design, and then we're gonna construct

1355
01:30:31,420 --> 01:30:43,560
 phase one from 2499 to 1830 as either a three lane section or as a four lane divided section.

1356
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:48,440
 So the amount of funding, I think they're putting 34 million dollars in, that'll get

1357
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:50,440
 us a three lane section.

1358
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:56,920
 If we can partner with the COG and leverage those funds to get the additional 160 million

1359
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,360
 or the 140 million, then we can take it all the way to 35.

1360
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:10,000
 So this is a key project to provide some needed mobility with bicycle, again, this is one

1361
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,880
 that'll have a side path, not an on street facility, to get some key mobility east-west

1362
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,660
 in the southern part of town.

1363
01:31:17,660 --> 01:31:25,880
 So again, moving forward, we've got, this'll be again on the 19 bond election in November

1364
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:31,040
 for 34 million, but we've already had discussions with COG on finding where we can leverage

1365
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,600
 that to cover the rest of the cost.

1366
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:35,600
 So this is the street.

1367
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:36,600
 Question.

1368
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:37,600
 Yes.

1369
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,560
 When you, is the bridge included in that?

1370
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:41,560
 Yes.

1371
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,600
 So the original plan, if we're stuck with the 34 million dollars, then we're gonna do

1372
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:50,960
 a three lane bridge, and we'll do our three lane roadway.

1373
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,680
 If we get the additional money, then we'll do six lane, we'll do two three lane bridges

1374
01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:01,060
 or one six lane bridge, but we'll probably only build four lanes of roadway.

1375
01:32:01,060 --> 01:32:04,080
 With the expansion, the bridges are the expensive piece.

1376
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:08,120
 We'll already have the limitations, the hard part done.

1377
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:13,860
 If we ever need to expand the roadway to six lanes, the bridges won't have to be reconstructed.

1378
01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:18,960
 So if it's just the city funding, the 34, then you'll see a three lane roadway with

1379
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,960
 a single three lane bridge.

1380
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:28,400
 If it's a leverage project where we get COG money or tech stock funding, then we'll see

1381
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:32,400
 larger bridges, but maybe only a four lane roadway.

1382
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,560
 We'll make sure you build it high enough so it doesn't flood.

1383
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,480
 Will do.

1384
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:46,080
 So the neighborhood street program, they have, they looked at two different approaches, they're

1385
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:54,560
 doing a hybrid where they're looking at the lowest OCI and then at a grouping so that

1386
01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:02,280
 you find kind of a heat map of your lowest OCI, and then you pick a couple of those groupings

1387
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:08,820
 and then you do the neighborhoods around them so that you're not constructing these lowest,

1388
01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:12,740
 and then next year you're constructing the next lowest, which just happened to be adjacent

1389
01:33:12,740 --> 01:33:13,740
 to those.

1390
01:33:13,740 --> 01:33:17,200
 So you try to get all that pain of construction done in one time, you don't have to come back

1391
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:23,800
 for 20, 30 years, get your street and your sewer and your water all done at one time.

1392
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:30,440
 So we're trying to partner with our city, other city partners, the storm water and the

1393
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,800
 water and wastewater groups.

1394
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,600
 If we're going to go in and rebuild these streets, let's make sure that everything under

1395
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,060
 them is done and then we don't have to come back.

1396
01:33:38,060 --> 01:33:42,080
 So it's kind of, rather than do the shotgun, which is the lowest, the worst streets in

1397
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:47,880
 town and they're everywhere, we're going to say, "Okay, we're going to take the lowest,

1398
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,640
 we've got a good grouping here and a good grouping here and a good grouping here and

1399
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,840
 we're going to build on those groupings and extend that a little bit so that we can cover

1400
01:33:54,840 --> 01:34:00,240
 entire neighborhoods versus just the lowest OCI streets."

1401
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:05,160
 So OCI, what's OCI?

1402
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,920
 It's basically a street quality index and I forget the acronym because I use a different

1403
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,840
 one in Fort Worth, but it's a, does anybody know?

1404
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:13,840
 Okay.

1405
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:18,500
 It's basically, it's a pavement quality index and do you have a lot of failures?

1406
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:19,500
 Is it heaving?

1407
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:21,040
 Is it washboard?

1408
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,900
 It's really the quality of the pavement and it's expected life.

1409
01:34:23,900 --> 01:34:30,560
 So typically if you've got, I think 20 or lower is what we're shooting for out of 100.

1410
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,560
 So you get a 20 out of 100, it's probably in pretty bad shape and then we'll find those

1411
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:40,720
 groupings and that's kind of what this heat map show, oh sorry, that's the wrong one.

1412
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,780
 We'll find those groupings and build larger projects around them to use up the entire

1413
01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:49,060
 amount of funding.

1414
01:34:49,060 --> 01:34:50,060
 Overall condition index.

1415
01:34:50,060 --> 01:34:54,720
 See, I told you it's a quality pavement quality index.

1416
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,740
 Now this is another, this is one that's really pertinent to this group and that sidewalks.

1417
01:34:58,740 --> 01:35:05,920
 So right now they're proposing $12 million, focusing on safe route to school and I would

1418
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:12,440
 and I've talked with Todd, I'd like to take part of this and partner with his neighborhood

1419
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:16,680
 rehab because as part of his neighborhood rehab, when he rebuilds the street, they're

1420
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,880
 not putting in sidewalks and they're not repairing sidewalks and I'd like the opportunity.

1421
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:26,200
 If we're really going to go in and not touch it again for 20 years, we have a lot of neighborhoods

1422
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:34,860
 and I would venture to guess that if they've got a low overall index, quality index, they

1423
01:35:34,860 --> 01:35:40,200
 probably were built in an era when we didn't require sidewalks or the sidewalks are haphazard

1424
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,360
 or in bad repair.

1425
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:48,200
 So I'd like to talk to our capital projects group about blending some of that sidewalk

1426
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,080
 money into those street programs as well.

1427
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,780
 I think that makes a lot of sense.

1428
01:35:53,780 --> 01:36:02,560
 So again, $12 million in city funding through NCTCOG and TxDOT call for projects relative

1429
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:10,540
 to safe route to school, we think we can bump that up to 18 to 20.

1430
01:36:10,540 --> 01:36:11,640
 It takes that much.

1431
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:23,160
 We did seven schools in Fort Worth with our 2018 bond and it's roughly one to $1.2 million

1432
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,720
 per school and that's only going out of quarter mile.

1433
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,840
 If you're focusing on neighborhoods that don't have sidewalk, a sidewalk is terribly expensive.

1434
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:31,840
 It just is.

1435
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:45,280
 I was going to say that actually all the elementary schools in Denton are Title I.

1436
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:50,720
 So you might be able to get some community development block grant money with that as

1437
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:51,720
 well.

1438
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:57,760
 We're looking at some CDBG sidewalk money for other projects, but yes we will look for

1439
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,720
 partnering and leveraging there.

1440
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:04,880
 And so just FYI, the safe route to school only applies to elementary and middle.

1441
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,200
 So high schools are not eligible for SRTS funding.

1442
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,760
 So that's on us and that's why we can't use all of this for safe route money.

1443
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:19,640
 We've got to reserve some for just general sidewalk needs, ADA compliance issues, and

1444
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,560
 I hope some neighborhood rehab elements.

1445
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:24,800
 Can I ask a question on that?

1446
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:25,800
 Sure.

1447
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,880
 So obviously you just answered my question about Geyer.

1448
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,280
 I know they're doing a lot of construction out there on that road right now.

1449
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,160
 I mean I assume that they're putting in sidewalk with that construction?

1450
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,040
 As far as I know, yes they are.

1451
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:46,800
 So my understanding, and again I've been here two months now, and this is I think typical,

1452
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:52,320
 but any new project, if it's new construction or widening, we will be including pad and

1453
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,120
 bike facilities.

1454
01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:01,680
 And relative to the road diet question earlier, when we do repaving or resurfacing, where

1455
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:06,760
 we end up after the first phase where the street crews come through, where the contractor

1456
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:11,800
 comes through and we've got this blank canvas, we're always looking for opportunities to

1457
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:19,280
 incorporate bike facilities, crosswalk facilities, more bike and ped elements, even if it means

1458
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,960
 losing a general purpose traveling.

1459
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:27,360
 So the example of Highland is a good one.

1460
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:33,640
 If we were repaving that, then we would look at okay, what is really the traffic need and

1461
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:39,280
 what are the ped and bike needs, and maybe we do have some, I know this is maybe taboo

1462
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:44,680
 in some places, but we reintroduce on-street parking, and it's short-term, it's not really

1463
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:49,280
 for students, it's one hour, two hours, turnovers for the businesses or the pick-up and drop-off

1464
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:55,000
 or I just need to run in and do something, but if you're removing a lot of your inner

1465
01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:01,260
 campus parking, there may be an increased need for some high turnover parking spaces.

1466
01:39:01,260 --> 01:39:06,720
 So that's, again, any time we look at repaving where we've got a blank canvas at the end

1467
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,480
 of the day, we're always looking for opportunities to right-size that, whether it be adding bike

1468
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:19,120
 lanes or narrowing travel lanes, that type of thing.

1469
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:31,360
 So street lighting, we've got, so DME's got a $4 million grant or $5 million grant, they've

1470
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:38,760
 got funds right now, and we're proposing an additional seven for some street lighting.

1471
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:44,840
 This is primarily focused on University Drive, but we're also gonna look at, I'm hoping

1472
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:50,520
 that we have some cost savings in here because we're looking at some residential infill.

1473
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:57,000
 Again, going back with those neighborhood street projects, it's just, it's typical

1474
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:01,400
 wherever you've got streets that are 30, 40 years old, they're in bad shape, they're

1475
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:04,880
 probably in neighborhoods that don't have sidewalks, that have really poor lighting,

1476
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:11,320
 and so we'd like to take some of this money and maybe fold that into at least a pilot

1477
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:15,560
 project where we show what we, you know, what benefits can be gained by putting back in

1478
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,840
 some low-level or some taller street lights.

1479
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,400
 I'd like to bring some pedestrian lighting into some of these neighborhoods.

1480
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,960
 I think that's a key, so that's kind of where we're headed with the bond.

1481
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:30,880
 Pedestrian lighting is, I think, huge.

1482
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:36,120
 One of my big complaints is the lighting that is so far in the sky that, really, what's

1483
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:37,120
 it for?

1484
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:38,120
 Right.

1485
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:43,440
 And it doesn't contribute to the Dark Skies program, which I know that, you know, Clay

1486
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:48,240
 will also back me up on the importance of dark skies.

1487
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:53,200
 So the, and I've only been in one meeting, but the DME project where they're buying a

1488
01:40:53,200 --> 01:41:02,320
 smart system, which you'll be able to dim and control every fixture in town, basically,

1489
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:09,720
 dimmable LEDs and, again, the right, you know, no blue light, and so, again, working towards

1490
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,320
 the Dark Sky Initiative requirements.

1491
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:13,840
 So that's coming.

1492
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:20,120
 I mean, we're headed that way, and your statement about the lights is so high.

1493
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:24,200
 Specifically, it's above the tree line, so it's, you're in shadow, you know, if you're

1494
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:25,200
 on the sidewalk.

1495
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,000
 So we're trying to bring some of that down.

1496
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:33,400
 We're even looking at some dual-function uprights where you've got the street light

1497
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:37,040
 towards the street, and then you've got a pad light on the backside for the sidewalk.

1498
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,200
 So you've got only one pole, but two fixtures.

1499
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,760
 That'd be nice, yeah.

1500
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,640
 One of the last projects is Ryan Road.

1501
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:53,240
 Now, this was to be a four-lane divided facility, but with the inclusion of the Hickory Creek

1502
01:41:53,240 --> 01:42:01,260
 extension all the way to 35, the consultants that we hired have indicated that we probably

1503
01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:08,280
 don't need to take this.

1504
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:12,840
 So there was going to be an extension across this floodplain to tie into vintage, and that

1505
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,840
 would be a very expensive crossing because it's all, it would be almost all structured.

1506
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:24,720
 And so with the onset or the inclusion of the Hickory Creek project on the 2019 bond,

1507
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,440
 this is going to, Ryan Road's going to be downsized, and what we're looking at now is

1508
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:34,720
 a three-lane section with the side paths at least on one side, if not both.

1509
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,840
 So we're moving forward with that as well.

1510
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:41,760
 Again, the funding is limited, it's $4 million, but we've got some development partners that

1511
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:42,760
 are coming in.

1512
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:44,720
 There's a lot of activity on Ryan right now.

1513
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:50,600
 We'll be taking their impact fee money, either augmenting or allowing them to build portions

1514
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:51,600
 of that three-lane section.

1515
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,880
 So when you say side paths, do you mean sidewalks?

1516
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,380
 Well, it's the 10- to 12-foot sidewalk.

1517
01:42:57,380 --> 01:43:06,960
 So it's a shared path for cyclists and pedestrians.

1518
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:14,360
 So this is going to go to council tomorrow for, I guess, kind of finalizing.

1519
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,760
 They had a work session last week where they talked about all the different propositions,

1520
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,800
 and that's when they switched the firing range with the fire station.

1521
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:28,520
 And then I guess they're going to call the election in August, and then it's set for

1522
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:29,520
 November 5th.

1523
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:33,040
 And so we're all fingers crossed hoping this passes.

1524
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,040
 It's got a lot of support.

1525
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,580
 We've got a really, really good chance.

1526
01:43:37,580 --> 01:43:40,040
 They did break out one of the other changes.

1527
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:47,320
 I'm not sure that it really is terribly pertinent, but they pulled the public art piece out to

1528
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:53,520
 its own proposition, and the park open space acquisition, land acquisition, is its own

1529
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:54,520
 proposition.

1530
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,520
 So they pulled that, so it was a combination into two individual props.

1531
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:05,080
 Again, I think the thinking was so they could use the public art money everywhere and not

1532
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,080
 just in a park.

1533
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,040
 So any questions?

1534
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:18,160
 All right, hearing none, I yield.

1535
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:19,960
 Thank you.

1536
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:22,000
 You're welcome.

1537
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,000
 All right.

1538
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:30,920
 That brings us to TSC 19-043, y'all, which is to receive nominations and hold an election

1539
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:37,200
 for a new chair of the Traffic Safety Commission, and if necessary, receive nominations and

1540
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:42,000
 hold an election for a new vice chair of the Traffic Safety Commission.

1541
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,400
 And Trailands for Deputy City Attorney, I'm sorry, this item actually needs to be pulled.

1542
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:47,920
 It's not appropriate to...

1543
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:53,120
 Here our handbook for the board's commissions and other committees is that the election

1544
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:58,560
 officers is supposed to occur after the appointment of the new members, and that is set to happen

1545
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,340
 tomorrow night at council.

1546
01:45:00,340 --> 01:45:03,080
 So this will need to be pulled and placed on your next agenda.

1547
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,600
 Y'all have time to campaign now.

1548
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:06,600
 All right.

1549
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:07,600
 Thank you, Trailands.

1550
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:08,600
 All right.

1551
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:16,760
 And that then gets us to TSC 19-044, staff reports, street construction report, and the

1552
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,120
 matrix.

1553
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:19,520
 Okay.

1554
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:42,920
 Well, I don't know why I opened it twice, but...

1555
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:50,920
 Okay.

1556
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,920
 If you've had a chance to look at this, I'm just going to ask you if you have any questions.

1557
01:45:53,920 --> 01:46:03,040
 Most of these projects are proceeding on schedule, and so it's hard for me to see this.

1558
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,280
 Those highlighted in yellow are Body Bray and Brinker.

1559
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:12,880
 So I will give you an update on Brinker because probably a lot of you are anxious to see that

1560
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:18,840
 open, and that is going to be open probably by the end of September, and it's pending

1561
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:26,440
 the relocation or the construction of the temporary ramp from 35 to its ultimate location.

1562
01:46:26,440 --> 01:46:32,000
 So hopefully by between now and the end of September, the textile will get the ramp removed,

1563
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:35,800
 we'll put a signal there at Brinker and the frontage roads, and we'll open that access

1564
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:40,280
 point while 288 is still under construction because I know that's a real bottleneck right

1565
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:46,280
 now, we've changed it to a single left turn, and had some issues with larger vehicles going

1566
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:52,440
 through there, but by the end of September, we've been told that we should have some extra

1567
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:57,720
 capacity there on 35.

1568
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:58,720
 I got a question.

1569
01:46:58,720 --> 01:46:59,720
 Sure.

1570
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:03,680
 Going to be letting a lot of contracts for new construction and roads and all that.

1571
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,720
 We've got a penalty clause, are you putting it in?

1572
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:12,040
 I'm not the right person to ask, that would be Todd asked his question.

1573
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:17,480
 I can find out and come back with those penalty clauses.

1574
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:23,600
 I know that we have talked about whether it be dollars or days, I mean, whether there

1575
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:30,640
 be just penalties or there be incentives as well, but I'm not sure on the stuff that's

1576
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:34,880
 moving forward or that's going to be let in the next couple of months, what those contracts

1577
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:35,880
 look like.

1578
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:43,160
 I noticed you don't publish change orders.

1579
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:50,520
 Well it depends on I guess the magnitude of the change order, so I don't know.

1580
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:57,920
 I don't have a whole lot of involvement once the projects are designed and let, I don't

1581
01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:58,920
 know.

1582
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:04,560
 I can find out and come back with those answers, and why we don't, and if there's a threshold

1583
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:09,000
 at which point we do advertise the change order.

1584
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,440
 Any other questions?

1585
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:16,840
 So Hickory is going to be done by the start of school?

1586
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,840
 Is that the?

1587
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,760
 Yes, 2024.

1588
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:30,160
 So the, just as in general, the bond election will be held in November of '19.

1589
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:36,720
 Those funds probably won't be available until late '20 or mid '20 just because of bonding

1590
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:43,320
 capacity and the processes that have to be established and completed.

1591
01:48:43,320 --> 01:49:01,960
 But we are currently in design so I think the schedule, in fact, no they took the estimates

1592
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:02,960
 off.

1593
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:09,320
 There was a time when they were putting on some date estimates and I think they, in the

1594
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:15,680
 spirit of honesty, taking those off, but the stuff they're working on right now, just between

1595
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,320
 what is it, Hickory and Avenue B?

1596
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:18,320
 Oh, I'm sorry.

1597
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,320
 I was thinking of you.

1598
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:20,320
 No, it's okay.

1599
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:21,320
 I'm curious about that too.

1600
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:22,320
 I always ask.

1601
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:23,320
 That's been ongoing.

1602
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:34,320
 I believe the Hickory Street project is on schedule and should be.

1603
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:41,640
 I thought that I had read that it has been delayed somewhat by an increased sidewalk

1604
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:45,640
 build.

1605
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:46,640
 Is that true?

1606
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:53,720
 I read that, I thought I read that in the newspaper, that the south side of the street

1607
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:58,600
 is going to get some additional improvements in lighting and sidewalks.

1608
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:59,920
 In what stretch?

1609
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:06,360
 Right in front of the auditorium building, you know, that stretch in there.

1610
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,280
 But that may have been a couple weeks ago.

1611
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:16,440
 Yeah, I think we're still on target for completion either late this month or early next.

1612
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:21,800
 So we're still on that, it says August 19th, but I think it's probably going to slide a

1613
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:22,800
 little bit.

1614
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:28,200
 And then the other projects would get funded in upcoming, you said, and then would start,

1615
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:34,880
 the bike lane construction would start for Hickory, when would that start?

1616
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,840
 Which for the one that just recently passed, the one that went back through council, the

1617
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:45,440
 new option on where they're moving the parking over to somewhere that won't benefit the businesses

1618
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:46,440
 that want it.

1619
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:55,080
 Do you have a better time, I don't know about a good time frame on that one.

1620
01:50:55,080 --> 01:51:10,140
 So, I haven't heard of a specific date on that.

1621
01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:13,480
 Any other questions on the street construction?

1622
01:51:13,480 --> 01:51:18,760
 Okay, let's see that matrix.

1623
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:32,120
 Let's see that matrix.

1624
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:37,200
 So one of the items that we talked about last time, and I'm going to maybe take this out

1625
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:52,240
 of order, was the do not enter transit vehicles only off of Hickory into the transit center.

1626
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:57,680
 So we've looked at that, we've observed it, I've observed it personally, and I saw a lot

1627
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:04,760
 of violations and they were not confused at all about what they were doing.

1628
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,600
 And so what staff is going to do is we're going to increase the size of the do not enter

1629
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,460
 signs and refresh some of the markings.

1630
01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:16,280
 We've done just about everything we can and we're supposed to do there, and we're going

1631
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:21,780
 to ask for some increased enforcement from PD there right across the street.

1632
01:52:21,780 --> 01:52:29,080
 So it's a driver behavior and we just need to teach them through citations and better

1633
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:35,140
 signage or larger signage, I'm not sure which, that activity is not acceptable.

1634
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:43,480
 So there's not a, there's no visibility issue, you can see all the indications, you

1635
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:48,800
 can see all the signs, you can see the markings, it says transit vehicles only, and they choose

1636
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,960
 to do it because it's easy, they don't get, there's no penalty.

1637
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:56,440
 So until there's a penalty for something, people will take that shortest path.

1638
01:52:56,440 --> 01:53:01,040
 It's the same like the bike lanes on Highland, you know, until there's a penalty.

1639
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,560
 It's quick and easy and it's worth the gamble of they're not going to catch me, they're

1640
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:10,400
 not here right now, I'll just be here for a second and then I'll be gone and they're

1641
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,400
 typically successful.

1642
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:17,480
 So that particular one, we'll be moving forward with some upgrades and we'll bring you, the

1643
01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:22,160
 next time we'll bring you, if we get it completed by then, we'll bring you some pictures of

1644
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:25,680
 what we've done.

1645
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:26,680
 Which one is that one?

1646
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,680
 Is that the first one?

1647
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:29,680
 Ten.

1648
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:30,680
 Ten.

1649
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:31,680
 Oh, okay.

1650
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:32,680
 Thank you.

1651
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:33,680
 It's the, yeah.

1652
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:38,160
 So the other one that we talked about last time bringing forward is the Alice University

1653
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,160
 intersection.

1654
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:45,200
 And about some additional lighting and some sidewalk ped issues crossing, we've got an

1655
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:50,600
 unusual set of sidewalks there where that northwest corner has nothing and the northeast

1656
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:57,800
 corner goes into a little retaining wall and we're looking for opportunities.

1657
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:02,040
 We've got some overhead, the reason we don't have additional lighting out there is we've

1658
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,040
 got some overhead power lines.

1659
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,920
 So we're still in a formulation state.

1660
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:12,680
 We were hoping to have something for you for tonight, but we weren't far enough along with

1661
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,200
 a solution to really bring anything of value.

1662
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:21,280
 So until we have a better solution, we're just going to keep postponing that.

1663
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:27,160
 But we're working towards an enhanced pedestrian crossing, making it not only possible but

1664
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:36,360
 comfortable and desirable to cross there instead of going to the intersection on either side.

1665
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,920
 Anything else that you want to bring forward for next time?

1666
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:39,920
 Yes.

1667
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:40,920
 Okay.

1668
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:41,920
 That was quick.

1669
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:42,920
 Hey.

1670
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:43,920
 I'm sorry.

1671
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:44,920
 No, no, no.

1672
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,600
 I'm sorry to interrupt, but it's unfortunate the gentleman died at the train tracks.

1673
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:49,600
 Right.

1674
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:57,920
 So I want to talk about is there another way that we can rework that?

1675
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:05,140
 When I ride my bike down that trail and I go to what we do a lot of times is we'll go

1676
01:55:05,140 --> 01:55:14,280
 across the train tracks, ride the sidewalk to the light, go across, ride the sidewalk

1677
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:21,360
 back up, go across the train tracks again, and then get back on the path.

1678
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,960
 Why do we have to do that?

1679
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:31,360
 That's like three points for someone that crosses either large vehicles or a train.

1680
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:39,720
 Is it possible to have that trail with, what are we calling those, R&R, hot lights, what

1681
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:40,720
 do we call those?

1682
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:44,520
 R&R, hot lights, or whatever.

1683
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:45,520
 Hot lights.

1684
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:50,600
 So you just have to cross the street once.

1685
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:52,160
 Is that a possibility?

1686
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:56,000
 It's not only a possibility, it's a done deal.

1687
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,840
 We've got plans that are at 90%.

1688
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:04,360
 So we're going to do the same treatment that we've done at Lakeview where you have in front

1689
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:11,080
 of the arms, you have an opening in the median with a little bollard so that cyclists can

1690
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:17,240
 go through, cars can't make the U-turn, and we're not going to send you to the signal

1691
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,240
 and back again.

1692
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:19,240
 Awesome.

1693
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:20,420
 I love it.

1694
01:56:20,420 --> 01:56:33,000
 So we're also refreshing all the, we just had a re-certification with FRA and they identified

1695
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,600
 some issues that we need to address so we're going to be re-marking all of the pavement

1696
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:45,960
 markings, reinstalling all those crosswalks, refreshing any signs that are missing or faded

1697
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:47,800
 or damaged in any way.

1698
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:52,100
 We're going to be relocating some signs to block, so that we no longer block the view

1699
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:54,440
 of other signs that are important.

1700
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:59,280
 So we've got a plan for that entire quiet zone online in their sections.

1701
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:03,160
 Fantastic, there's a community of folks that are very concerned about it.

1702
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:08,460
 I'm sure, you know, no one wants anyone to die, but I appreciate that very much.

1703
01:57:08,460 --> 01:57:15,440
 So we've identified some other issues, but we are focusing on all of our quiet zone and

1704
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:21,200
 all of our rail crossings relative to signs and markings, and that type of treatment anywhere

1705
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,400
 we can where it makes sense, we're going to pursue that as well.

1706
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:26,400
 Fantastic.

1707
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:27,400
 Thank you.

1708
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:32,360
 I've got a couple of things to work with, one is just to bring to attention the cross

1709
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:39,280
 signal at Hickory and Elm that, you know, makes the noises for the beeping and stuff.

1710
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:46,240
 Some reason since about midweek it's been like twice as loud, and you might check, but

1711
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:48,480
 it's something happened.

1712
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:50,460
 It's very strange how loud it is.

1713
01:57:50,460 --> 01:57:55,820
 So local businesses, I know I talked to Kevin and Rosie and they're like, we can hear through

1714
01:57:55,820 --> 01:57:58,040
 all the walls now all of a sudden.

1715
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:59,560
 And so anyway, somebody could go out and check.

1716
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,880
 It just seems like some reason the level went really high on it.

1717
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:07,920
 Okay, I will send our crews to check, but just as a follow on, we met with that vendor

1718
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:11,360
 and the product that we've been buying is now Legacy.

1719
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:16,600
 So we'll be buying a new product that actually is controlled on an iPad.

1720
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:24,880
 So you can talk to any crossing, any one of the four at any intersections to control volume

1721
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:34,040
 and the message that it, whether it be a chirp or the text or the spoken words.

1722
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:38,240
 So we're, we're moving to a better system by default because they no longer sell what

1723
01:58:38,240 --> 01:58:39,240
 we've been buying.

1724
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:44,400
 Well, I mean, it wasn't like that, so it's just kind of strange, but yeah, right now

1725
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:49,320
 we have to send somebody out there and they have to log in and we'll be able to do that

1726
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:50,320
 remotely.

1727
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,560
 So just, that's an upgrade for us.

1728
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:59,480
 One other thing I brought up previously is on Hickory between, you know, UNT and, and

1729
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:02,560
 Carol basically making it.

1730
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:06,520
 It's still, I've brought some previous meetings, there's first thing, the road and the sidewalks

1731
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:07,520
 are in awful shape.

1732
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,500
 You know, there's all, there's holes, there's places, all kinds, there's spots.

1733
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:12,480
 And I just tell anyone, go walk it at night.

1734
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,880
 You can't see in front of you in five feet.

1735
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:19,400
 I mean, completely darkness, which is dangerous for pedestrians in general, but you're riding

1736
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:22,840
 a bike and somebody, something's thrown in there, you know, way you can see it.

1737
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:26,240
 And I've requested previously that we take a look and I don't know what's happened, but

1738
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:31,360
 nothing seems to have happened, but just some kind of temporary until we fix it thing so

1739
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:34,560
 that there's not a gap where it's so dark that you can't see.

1740
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,020
 Cause we do still have bike lanes.

1741
01:59:37,020 --> 01:59:39,800
 You can barely see them, but we still do.

1742
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:43,880
 And so we're actually kind of as a city encouraging people to bike there, but both as walker,

1743
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:47,360
 even for walkers to just see if we can come up with a temporary solution.

1744
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:48,360
 Okay.

1745
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:53,600
 So, so just a question because I don't see Denton at night very often since I live in

1746
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,360
 Southwest Fort Worth.

1747
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:59,480
 Is it a lack of fixtures or are they just not burning?

1748
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:03,160
 I don't think there's anything and it's right about, it's right about in the middle.

1749
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:08,400
 If you think about, um, what's the last street before you kind of get with the, where the

1750
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,200
 businesses and what street is that?

1751
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:17,640
 Is that Chelsea or is that what's the Welch, Welch, between about halfway between Welch

1752
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:19,840
 and Carroll is where it is.

1753
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,640
 And I'd have to check what street it is and there's, because there's spots where there's

1754
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:28,320
 okay lighting and it's still a little bit around Bernard, Southside, Southside.

1755
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:29,320
 Yes.

1756
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:30,320
 Yes.

1757
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,920
 So that's just one area, just some kind of temporary lighting before just to make sure

1758
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:34,600
 just a very dangerous area.

1759
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:39,600
 And I'd hate to see somebody fall or anything else happen.

1760
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,280
 And then one other thing I was looking at the matrix and there's a previous request

1761
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:46,880
 I had that I know remember ever being addressed, but I don't see it on the matrix anymore.

1762
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:50,720
 And it was at the businesses, um, you know, now we're turning over again cause the little

1763
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:55,080
 breakfast place went out, but on Hickory just the campus theater building, um, and there's

1764
02:00:55,080 --> 02:01:00,280
 the little shoe place right there and there's two curbs with no curb cuts at all, which

1765
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,840
 is a real barrier too, because it's an urban area.

1766
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:08,280
 And so, um, accessibility is, you know, strollers, wheelchairs, curb cuts are you talking about

1767
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:09,280
 ramp accessible ramps?

1768
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,280
 Yeah, there's, it just curbs.

1769
02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:11,280
 Okay.

1770
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:12,280
 Yeah.

1771
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:13,760
 There's, there's no cut at all.

1772
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:19,160
 And so I know it was on there previously, um, I feel like it was like two years ago,

1773
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:26,480
 but so I've only been here a year, Mark, all of it, bicycle and pedestrian coordinator.

1774
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:30,520
 Um, but I know I have looked into that.

1775
02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:39,480
 Um, what our conclusion was is that the Hickory street repaving and rebuilding project is

1776
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:45,880
 eventually going to go all the way to that, I think right there at the campus theater.

1777
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:53,920
 And so even though it may be two or three years out, it is already programmed to happen,

1778
02:01:53,920 --> 02:02:01,000
 but we're not going to pull it to fix sooner, if that makes sense.

1779
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:06,760
 So they are as they're going down Hickory street and fixing all that pavement, they're

1780
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:11,640
 also going, I don't know, six or eight feet from the back of the curb and fixing anything

1781
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:15,520
 else, any other ADA issue or anything like that as they go down.

1782
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:22,880
 So when they get there, whenever that will be, it, it will be addressed, um, but not

1783
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:23,880
 sooner.

1784
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:29,040
 I understand that prioritizing, I guess one thing is when I try to bring ones to the matrix,

1785
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,080
 I always look at like, what are the ones that are giving us the most bang for the buck?

1786
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:36,920
 And I choose that one because it's literally an impediment to getting around the square.

1787
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:37,920
 Yeah.

1788
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:40,840
 Like you hit a stopping point where either you have to have somebody pick you up or something.

1789
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:42,520
 And so anyway, that's why I picked that one.

1790
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:47,160
 So, but I understand what you're saying, but yeah, I agree.

1791
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,080
 And that's an important location.

1792
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:55,000
 And so if there were a way to move it up or find different funding, I think that would

1793
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:56,000
 be a candidate.

1794
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:00,480
 But I just don't know that we don't have something dedicated currently that we could throw it

1795
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:17,200
 on to, um, that 12 million dollars in November for sidewalks, um, is focusing on safe routes.

1796
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:21,840
 But again, it's there to accomplish all of our ADA compliance needs.

1797
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:30,740
 So that would be a good candidate for bond funding, um, post 19 or post November.

1798
02:03:30,740 --> 02:03:33,920
 So I do have a question about the Hickory project.

1799
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:42,440
 So as soon as the stretch that ends at, um, fry street is completed, will then the next

1800
02:03:42,440 --> 02:03:49,120
 leg start or will there be a time when Hickory is open all the way from Bonnie Bray to Carol

1801
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:51,480
 Boulevard?

1802
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:54,440
 So I don't know that I have the most current information, but I think there's going to

1803
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,420
 be at least some period of time where there's no construction.

1804
02:03:57,420 --> 02:03:58,960
 I think we're waiting on some funding.

1805
02:03:58,960 --> 02:03:59,960
 Okay.

1806
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:00,960
 I think.

1807
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:01,960
 Okay.

1808
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:02,960
 Like how long?

1809
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:03,960
 I don't know.

1810
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:04,960
 Okay.

1811
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:07,840
 I can, again, I can find out and I'll bring it back.

1812
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:08,840
 Okay.

1813
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:09,840
 Well, I'll tell you why.

1814
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:15,560
 We may be able to share and I'll have to defer to our legal, uh, if they're asking questions,

1815
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:20,240
 we can respond to this group before the next meeting or can we?

1816
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:25,960
 Just, I'm talking about an email about it will be six months before the next project

1817
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:28,600
 starts.

1818
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:34,440
 She's asking the lag between the Hickory projects as it progresses and I don't know it right

1819
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:35,440
 now.

1820
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:36,440
 Yes.

1821
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:48,920
 I mean, you can send like you would to council.

1822
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:53,240
 You can send like an ISR or something like that, but you would need to do it through

1823
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:57,320
 basically the same procedures we use for council in the sense of we don't want them all on

1824
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:00,920
 the same email chain to where they could potentially have an open meetings act violation by discussing

1825
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,120
 it after you send it out.

1826
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:04,120
 Okay.

1827
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:05,120
 For you, Billy.

1828
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,120
 You didn't identify yourself, Trace.

1829
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:09,120
 Okay.

1830
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:13,320
 Let me tell you why I ask.

1831
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:20,600
 Because the right now, so in my neighborhood is become a cut through for people who cannot

1832
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,400
 do Hickory to Carroll Boulevard.

1833
02:05:23,400 --> 02:05:24,400
 Like they may have originally.

1834
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:25,400
 I'm probably one of those.

1835
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:26,400
 Oh, okay.

1836
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:27,400
 Let's talk.

1837
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:34,000
 But I'm cutting through because I'm lost and I just say detours everywhere I go is road

1838
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,000
 closed.

1839
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,000
 Yeah.

1840
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:43,120
 And so it is like in the summertime, I noticed it because I was walking home after class

1841
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:49,120
 and I start, and there was so much more traffic going by me on Ponder Street, you know, taking

1842
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:54,720
 scripture on down, hitting Ponder and then going down Congress.

1843
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:57,000
 And I just physically felt a difference.

1844
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:01,040
 And then it took me a couple of days to look up and like, yeah, like said, duh, look, there's

1845
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:09,360
 a detour sign that I hadn't seen, but that is going to, if that's going to continue,

1846
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:14,480
 the closure is going to continue during the academic year because the closure really only

1847
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,680
 started, you know, as soon as school is out.

1848
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:17,680
 Right.

1849
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:21,480
 And I think that's the plan is that we'll the focus of the construction will be during

1850
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:23,280
 those off during the off periods.

1851
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:24,280
 Okay.

1852
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:29,240
 Because then Congress is going to start having a problem if we are, if Hickory is still closed

1853
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:32,180
 down during the long academic terms.

1854
02:06:32,180 --> 02:06:38,760
 So and people don't know how to navigate even coming to a stop at scripture on the, on the

1855
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:41,680
 east side of scripture that throws people.

1856
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:45,920
 Do I stop here or do I just run that stop sign?

1857
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,840
 And then, um, you know, but people who are unfamiliar with the area.

1858
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:50,840
 Yeah.

1859
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:51,840
 Yeah.

1860
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:52,840
 Okay.

1861
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:53,840
 Culprit.

1862
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:54,840
 Okay.

1863
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,400
 We'll verify that and send it out.

1864
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,360
 And then if that's going to be happening during the long academic term, then we'll have to,

1865
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:06,240
 I'll then ask somebody to put on the matrix, um, looking at how to traffic calm, at least

1866
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:08,320
 temporarily in the neighborhood.

1867
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:09,320
 Okay.

1868
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:16,240
 I have, I'm sorry, I just have one question that the 12 million that we're getting for

1869
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,360
 might get, you got to claim it.

1870
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:20,360
 All right.

1871
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:21,360
 Okay.

1872
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:22,360
 I don't want to jinx it.

1873
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:30,160
 Tell, tell all your friends that you're getting, is that only for existing sidewall?

1874
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:35,120
 No, in fact, uh, capital dollars are not intended for repair.

1875
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:36,480
 There are new construction only.

1876
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:41,880
 So we'll be looking for gaps in existing sidewalk networks and areas where sidewalks just don't

1877
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:42,880
 exist.

1878
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:50,520
 McKinney at the, McKinney at the, uh, railroad cross.

1879
02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:55,160
 I think, I think there's a sidewalk already planned for that.

1880
02:07:55,160 --> 02:08:01,600
 Um, I got to, I got to verify that, but I, I pre temp told me that this past last week

1881
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:06,200
 that we were talking about some of the upcoming quiet zones and McKinney was one of them.

1882
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,560
 And I believe there's already a sidewalk plan for that.

1883
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:10,960
 You know, I'm talking about right there when you come across the track.

1884
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:11,960
 Yeah.

1885
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:12,960
 Yeah.

1886
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:13,960
 But the big, and the swerve and yeah.

1887
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:14,960
 Nobody get hit.

1888
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:15,960
 Nobody get hit.

1889
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:16,960
 Nobody get hit.

1890
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:17,960
 Oh, I made it.

1891
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:18,960
 Yeah.

1892
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:23,320
 So that's, you know, cause I walk, I walk a lot around.

1893
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:24,320
 Okay.

1894
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:30,720
 Well, like I say, that's certainly a candidate, but I think it's already programmed

1895
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:36,720
 from our Hickory street, uh, deliberations, I really liked the idea of the bike box of

1896
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:41,040
 the cycles coming back out and into the traffic.

1897
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:51,600
 And we have a situation where on Oak, right there at, uh, Elm, Locust, right there at

1898
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:58,360
 recycle books, it stops and bikes have to reenter the traffic.

1899
02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:02,600
 So could we put a bike box right there on Oak?

1900
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:07,720
 So historically I have not, I was not a proponent of bike boxes.

1901
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:15,680
 However, I am now because they go in perfect combination with the leading ped interval.

1902
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:22,320
 So the bikes get, they queue them up in front of the cars and when the ped indication goes,

1903
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:23,880
 the bikes go.

1904
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:28,240
 And so we get them at least started, if not completely out of the way, because they do

1905
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:33,280
 actually move faster than pets or some do, um, before the traffic gets the green and

1906
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:34,280
 starts moving.

1907
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:37,640
 So that's exactly what we're, that's the kind of thing we're trying to incorporate,

1908
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:45,600
 get those, um, somewhat slower and much more vulnerable populations out ahead of that vehicular

1909
02:09:45,600 --> 02:09:46,600
 traffic.

1910
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:51,240
 So when they start moving and they're trying to decide, there's already somebody in that

1911
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:53,960
 crosswalk or there's somebody already in that lane.

1912
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:59,440
 So they have to yield versus I'm going to, I'm bigger, I'm going to go, you yield to

1913
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:00,440
 me.

1914
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:01,440
 Yeah.

1915
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:06,160
 I'd just like you to look at that intersection because it's uphill where you're stopping

1916
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:09,820
 and then the lane ends and you have to get back into traffic.

1917
02:10:09,820 --> 02:10:15,920
 And also being downtown, that is a good place to start instructing and bringing this to

1918
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:19,400
 people's awareness because more people are going to see that.

1919
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:24,720
 That is a great starting place for a lot of our ped bike concepts just, and then, cause

1920
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:29,440
 that, as we saw with the crash history, that's where our peds and bikes are.

1921
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:35,520
 I mean, we've got, uh, I mean, you just got so much activity down there and it's 24 seven.

1922
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:36,520
 It's just always going.

1923
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:43,640
 So yeah, we're going to, we're going to start a lot of our programs in downtown area.

1924
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:44,640
 Any other questions?

1925
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:45,640
 Going once.

1926
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:58,560
 Yes, I'd like to say something.

1927
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:00,360
 She and I go back to Wally Campbell.

1928
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:08,400
 He served six years and she served six years and done a great job and one of the few female

1929
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:12,280
 chair people of all these boards and commissions in the city.

1930
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,360
 So I'd like to give my congratulations for serving.

1931
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:16,360
 Thank you.

1932
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:17,360
 Thank you.

1933
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:24,160
 Now it's been fun and it's been fun watching the evolution of the, you know, of the committee.

1934
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:34,200
 We used to get out of here a lot faster and I, I'm a sucker for talking stuff through

1935
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:42,040
 and I just love it, you know, sorry, you know, but yeah, I think that there's, I have really

1936
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:50,000
 loved watching the involvement, like increase and having a committee that's willing to kick

1937
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:51,000
 things around.

1938
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:52,000
 Yeah, sure.

1939
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:53,000
 So thank you.

1940
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:59,840
 And with that, we're adjourned at 744.