WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.320 good morning everyone Wednesday May 29th 10 a.m. we're in our council work session 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:15.160 room good morning for our mobility committee meeting after determining that 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:22.240 a quorum is present we will begin this meeting at approximately 10 a.m. so 00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:27.240 first thing on the agenda is citizens comments for the agenda item do we have 00:00:27.240 --> 00:00:32.360 any citizens comments no comments so we'll go to number two items for 00:00:32.360 --> 00:00:40.560 individual consideration a MC 2 4 - 0 1 3 consider approval of the minutes of 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:52.520 April 24th 2024 can we get a motion for approval I move approval all right all 00:00:52.520 --> 00:01:01.440 in favor say all right so the minutes of the April 24 2024 meeting has been 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:10.200 approved on to be MC 2 4 - 0 1 4 receive a report and hold a discussion 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:15.380 regarding the city of Denton's transportation mobility project status 00:01:15.380 --> 00:01:28.400 report good morning everybody so this is our second time through for some of y'all 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:35.440 so we'll go fairly quickly on the some of these items and you'll just as you 00:01:35.440 --> 00:01:41.520 know stop me when you I got a question so we're still working on the funding 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:46.640 for all of these projects here some of its in place and some of it is committed 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:51.040 for future and some of them are projects that we need to still work on getting 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:57.280 funding for so we'll start with 35 North so text that has made the determination 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:04.860 to cut the yellow project into two segments because they're it's 00:02:04.860 --> 00:02:08.600 approaching with a total dollar amount where if they don't break it into two 00:02:08.600 --> 00:02:12.560 contracts they'll let them at the same time but if they don't let they if they 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:19.320 don't break them into two projects it's right now it's at 471 and they think by 00:02:19.320 --> 00:02:23.880 next year it'll be around 500 million and anything that's 500 million above 00:02:23.880 --> 00:02:28.080 has to go through what we call value engineering and typically what happens 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:33.960 on value engineering is it gets more expensive so they're gonna break it into 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:40.760 into two still let it on the same time frame but two different two different 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:45.960 projects that's really the only news on that project have a question can you 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:53.600 will you please let us know the distance from what point to what point for the 00:02:53.600 --> 00:02:57.760 yellow section absolutely soon as they break it they'll get a new CSJ for it 00:02:57.760 --> 00:03:06.800 and we'll start tracking that project and that's from for 77 77 North to 455 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:12.680 where we're building the interchange at 455 now with a 455 project from the high 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:17.720 school out to western part of the county 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:28.120 and then what about the other purple stuff so those are all the purple the 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.440 purple I don't know which one's purple okay the purple is the one that's being 00:03:32.440 --> 00:03:40.000 done with 455 the 08 one is a section north to I forget the limits but that's 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.480 the project that's probably gonna go first of the three the purple ones 00:03:43.480 --> 00:03:51.760 already going it'll go blue green yellow okay and that's just because yellow has 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:57.400 all of this all these utilities to relocate and we're a little bit further 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:04.800 behind on these then than these and the good news is is we're pretty much with 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.360 the city didn't stuff on track for y'all's utility so the critical path or 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:19.280 other other projects other utilities the merge as you know let April 4th it came 00:04:19.280 --> 00:04:29.800 in at 500 let's see 500 and 88 million just 18% over the district put in half 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.800 the Delta and then the Commission put in the other half so they ordered the 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.240 project there were only two bidders that's how much works going on in the 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:44.520 region and the bid said that if you you can't bid more than 56 months for this 00:04:44.520 --> 00:04:50.880 project and both bidders bid 56 months so that's four and a half years and 00:04:50.880 --> 00:04:56.000 there's you can see out there they're starting to put their SW 3p walls up 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:03.280 fences up for stormwater prevention and it'll just steadily get worse until it 00:05:03.280 --> 00:05:16.200 gets better mayhill job we've got a June 2025 let that's on track the reason 00:05:16.200 --> 00:05:22.440 we're not moving it into 2024 is because our cat cat two dollars are set for the 00:05:22.440 --> 00:05:30.180 25 timeframe calendar year so we can't move it up but what basically happened 00:05:30.180 --> 00:05:35.880 is about the time y'all get done with mayhill in Colorado and everybody settles 00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:39.640 for a couple of months we're going to come in and start tearing stuff up and 00:05:39.640 --> 00:05:47.280 what we're going to do is I'm going to propose that we use regional toll 00:05:47.280 --> 00:05:52.160 revenue funds or RTR funds to connect the two projects so right now this 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:58.080 project ends right about the quick trip driveway and then y'all's project stops 00:05:58.080 --> 00:06:03.240 pretty much just past Colorado and there's that leaveout section that's 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.880 pretty desperate so we think it's a pretty good candidate project for toll 00:06:08.880 --> 00:06:14.040 revenue funds and we're gonna propose that if we get it y'all will have the 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.080 privilege of building it and y'all your staffs used RTR funds before name they 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:22.880 know all the processes involved with that because they're not federal dollars 00:06:22.880 --> 00:06:28.760 and they're not state dollars they're they're just somewhere in the nebulous 00:06:28.760 --> 00:06:37.800 yes sir I was just gonna ask where that comes from okay so back in 2003 2004 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:45.160 2005 2006 the region were given tools and not money to do the state was to do 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:50.640 projects and so we were given what they call CDA's comprehensive development 00:06:50.640 --> 00:06:54.920 agreements and the ability to do toll roads toll manage lanes etc North Texas 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.680 took 7 billion dollars they were given and put 21 billion dollars projects on 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:08.040 the ground by using the CDA process which used Centra to build both 635 East 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:14.400 and the North Town Express and then they led a design-build project for 35 all 00:07:14.400 --> 00:07:19.600 that money came from tolling a 121 from Denton to Collin County so it dips down 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:27.120 into Dallas so NTTA paid the region 3.2 billion dollars for the rights to that 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:34.840 project for 52 years that money went to the state's fund six but it was can only 00:07:34.840 --> 00:07:39.040 be spent it's in a separate care it can only be spent in the Dallas and Fort 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:44.520 Worth area because we're the ones paying the tolls so it was split up didn't 00:07:44.520 --> 00:07:50.480 Dallas and Collin split 2.4 billion dollars based on the revenue they were 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.240 going to generate off the toll management I'm off the toll road didn't 00:07:54.240 --> 00:08:00.120 kind of got 1.6 billion Dallas got 400 million and then Collin County got 900 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.680 million but the Collin County hadn't built 121 yet ours was already open to 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:08.920 traffic so they had to use 600 of the 900 to build the road so they netted out 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:15.760 300 we still had 1/6 and that was in the good days when we had interest rates 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:24.020 right and so for from 2006 to 2010 it's slow it's a hard it's hard to spend 00:08:24.020 --> 00:08:28.400 money on roads to be honest with you it takes a long time and so for a long time 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:32.320 there Denton County's RTR funds were generating about 4 million dollars in 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:39.600 interest payments per month so we built the DCTA train we built 35 we did all 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:45.720 the free roads we got Mayhill Bonnie Bray was a part of that project and those 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:52.480 dollars are allocated to counties by their percentage of how they generate 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:59.520 the revenue off the toll road 800 million of the 3.2 was divided up to the 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:03.360 counties by the number of toll tag users they have in their county so Collin and 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.520 Dallas can have the most of the toll tag users at the time so they got most of 00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:14.920 the 800 million so those toll those dollars are called regional toll revenue 00:09:14.920 --> 00:09:21.240 RTR and they're in the in the account in Austin but they're sub allocated to the 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.680 Dallas and Fort Worth district and then sub allocated in those districts to the 00:09:24.680 --> 00:09:36.320 counties I did that with one breath it's just I'm just asking you to guess if you 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.200 don't know roughly how much money is in the account now for Denton so that is an 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.240 excellent question so in 2014 they stopped giving us updates because they 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:51.680 changed a new accounting system and so I've got documentation from Austin that 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:56.400 says there's 3 billion dollars in there still but they don't account for 00:09:56.400 --> 00:10:03.520 encumbrances right so like we've got 10 million sitting on 377 in the Argyle 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:06.680 section they don't count that they they think it's still available but it's not 00:10:06.680 --> 00:10:13.440 because it's encumbered the region thinks that Denton County has about 150 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.720 million plus or minus and the reason they don't know for sure is because when 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:24.800 we did I-35 from 635 to 380 Dallas County didn't participate they would had 00:10:24.800 --> 00:10:30.020 nothing no skin in the game but Texas still needed to acquire right away in 00:10:30.020 --> 00:10:36.320 the Dallas County area so Denton County lent text dot X amount of dollars and it 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:43.480 was in the millions to allocate those to those various areas for right away 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:49.040 acquisition with the intent is as they close those out because we would get 00:10:49.040 --> 00:10:53.240 reimbursed those those dollars we lent them so that's taken a long time we got 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:59.840 a about a year and a half ago a tranche of about 200 million back and although I 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:04.600 can't see the accounting COG said I owed him 70 million for something and so I 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.160 got netted down to 130 but we're working on trying to figure out what that number 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:14.120 is but you get different numbers where you ask different people and last 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:18.320 question so that money can only be used to connect already existing funding 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:25.800 projects yeah if you get COGS permission you can use it for anything road related 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:30.960 really yeah but you got to go through the county the way it was set up back in 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:35.700 2006 Denton County was the local match requirement because there's a 20% local 00:11:35.700 --> 00:11:41.280 match when you access these funds and so that initial tranche of about 700 00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:46.560 million that went to all the cities the county was the local match on that and 00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:51.640 what what the deal was back then was the can't we didn't want to have the county 00:11:51.640 --> 00:11:54.240 that the time didn't want to have to because what they do in Dallas and 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.200 Collin County is any time they want to access the RTR funds they got to get a 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.200 committee of the whole within the county and they're great everybody fights right 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:10.520 and we wanted to thwart that so we just gave half the money to the cities up 00:12:10.520 --> 00:12:14.040 front so do with it what you want back in the day that's how you got Mayhill and 00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:20.560 Bonnie Bray and McKinney and then the rest was on system projects mostly so 00:12:20.560 --> 00:12:26.800 the county was the driver on that so the county cog worked the process to 00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:32.000 allocate RTR funds and I've already talked to the county on this since their 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.200 courthouse is right up the street they want this road fixed as well as much as 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.720 anybody does 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:54.600 any other questions in on this in this regard okay well I do want to say that I 00:12:54.600 --> 00:13:00.120 didn't know we were going to get in all of that thank you for that because that 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:06.720 really get gave us a great educational opportunity to learn so much more thank 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:12.760 you for going into those details there's a there's just a not enough education 00:13:12.760 --> 00:13:17.400 out there for our public to understand that you know how these things work 00:13:17.400 --> 00:13:21.360 absolutely and when they're saying oh then is not doing anything didn't counties 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:26.640 always the last one you know there's a process out there so if that's going 00:13:26.640 --> 00:13:31.200 through the toll roads we're upset about having to pay toll fees and all that 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.160 stuff but that's where the money comes from the more money the 121 was 00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:42.040 basically the last new toll road that's going to be built in the region if there 00:13:42.040 --> 00:13:47.080 is anything going forward it'll be it'll be told managed lanes and that is you 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.520 build your competition right next to it so you get to choose like I'm 35 if you 00:13:51.520 --> 00:13:55.440 want to drive on the managed lanes you can if you don't you have a free access 00:13:55.440 --> 00:14:03.280 free flow general purpose lane to use so the toll roads are a 2020 20th century 00:14:03.280 --> 00:14:09.000 item from now on everything is going to be directed towards managing congestion 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:14.800 yeah well thank you so much I do want to go go back to a May Hill stay here on 00:14:14.800 --> 00:14:21.040 May Hill I have a question in regards to the RTR fund and you know I don't even 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:27.080 have to ask that anymore but the question now becomes which entity will 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:35.600 be responsible for connecting May Hill to 35 so I've done it both ways we're 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:41.080 doing a project in Louisville where they're doing the 121 corporate 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:48.920 breakout job that's that you're fixing to see that pop there is a tie-in Texas 00:14:48.920 --> 00:14:52.640 Avenue which used to be on system but now it's off and we're funding that 00:14:52.640 --> 00:14:57.280 separately with RTR funds because it wasn't cleared originally and TechStop 00:14:57.280 --> 00:15:01.160 is going to build it with their big job because it's a billion dollar project so 00:15:01.160 --> 00:15:08.240 adding 13 million dollars is spilled concrete so we don't know yet about 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:16.640 this segment okay and so the design you don't wouldn't know yeah the design will 00:15:16.640 --> 00:15:22.280 be easy because it's just a connection we're not really we may widen but you 00:15:22.280 --> 00:15:27.560 got a wide median there in the middle so we probably widen to the inside so all 00:15:27.560 --> 00:15:33.960 those things are just now getting worked out but I'll talk to y'all your staff 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.120 and see what their feelings are about it you can get done quicker if y'all do it 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.280 but if not we'll just we'll try to put it in with the Mayhill job yeah that's 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:45.200 what I was kind of the question that I was alluding to as to you know who would 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:50.680 RTR doesn't require any environmental clearance like you do for the big jobs 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:56.000 they require a checklist where you just say no there's no no no no you send it 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:04.920 in and they go okay we believe you okay thank you all right thank you okay 35 W 00:16:04.920 --> 00:16:12.480 frontage roads tech stock has scheduled a meeting with with ITS to talk about 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:17.440 their intent and desire to do a breakout on this beyond these projects because 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:23.800 they've got the about 288 million of the 430 they need and instead of waiting 00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:29.240 until they get the rest of it they want to just start building breakouts and so 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:36.840 we are we're thinking that we're gonna do from 2449 South to 407 but leave out 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:41.920 certain parts of it that aren't either needed for development like the Cleveland 00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:46.160 Gibbs we know it needs to be done but there's a there's another bridge 00:16:46.160 --> 00:16:51.800 structure in there that we think we can pull out so when as soon as we get that 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:56.800 kind of roped up on what what the what the best management practices is for 00:16:56.800 --> 00:17:00.360 that 288 we'll bring it to the committee say this is what text that's proposing 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:10.040 but it's all 407 north to 2449 so it's the segment y'all want let's go back to 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:14.720 that because I have one question it's man and so now also if you can determine 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:21.440 that there's some sections that could be left out because purchasing rights you 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.680 know things like that from the people that own that space and you all can't 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.960 predict how you know in 10 years 15 years you know how something like that 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:39.060 will work yeah so every year so text thought and the Commission has got this 00:17:39.060 --> 00:17:44.280 program called from the Rio to the red six lanes right and they're talking 00:17:44.280 --> 00:17:50.080 about I-35 so they're gonna have I-35 that's their goal is to push that's 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:55.360 why we've got so much money in the northern part 35 W is the last because I 00:17:55.360 --> 00:18:03.560 just drove to San Antonio 35 W is the last segment to be six lanes so we 00:18:03.560 --> 00:18:08.920 believe that every time we put a request in if they have the money they'll give 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:13.760 us additional funding so instead of waiting and incurring enough to do it 00:18:13.760 --> 00:18:16.600 all at one time which we wouldn't do anyway because it's going to be 00:18:16.600 --> 00:18:20.400 significant we're going to go ahead and start with the money we have so every 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:28.320 August we'll be able to come back to tell you what okay thank you okay so I 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:31.800 one of the bridges were taken out it's in that area where that it's just a 00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:35.320 farmland where the guys got ability to get across to the interstate they were 00:18:35.320 --> 00:18:44.600 gonna build a full-on interchange there and we said maybe but not today yeah okay 00:18:44.600 --> 00:18:50.480 so you're this is the this is the project that's essentially done where 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:55.560 it's closing out we're just basically doing the cleanup work on it but they 00:18:55.560 --> 00:19:02.600 added the six lanes from 288 to 377 raised median and the 10 foot shared use 00:19:02.600 --> 00:19:12.360 paths to the green belt I will say that that road is the smoothest yes and the 00:19:12.360 --> 00:19:17.800 good news is you'll start to see it when you go south of the lake they're doing a 00:19:17.800 --> 00:19:24.160 resurfacing a 35 e what happens on these concrete roads is once they go to 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:28.480 resurface them they put asphalt on them and that's when you get a really smooth 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:33.560 run yes we have a question 00:19:33.560 --> 00:19:41.560 June 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:50.120 that's the contract time frame I can get a specific day if you need it but it'll 00:19:50.120 --> 00:19:57.360 be okay alright so the 28 West we just continue to push and bang on the design 00:19:57.360 --> 00:20:04.320 for this project we are intending to do the northbound frontage roads in its 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:10.480 entirety as a first phase and with a great separation at 3/8 in the railroad 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:15.120 track at least we may have to add some more we got everything down here at 00:20:15.120 --> 00:20:23.080 Underwood and John Payne John Payne John Payne worked out with y'all stir for a 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:26.520 plan we had to go back and do a little reevaluation on that but we got it all 00:20:26.520 --> 00:20:34.520 taken care of so that's just plucking along okay we did have our breakout 00:20:34.520 --> 00:20:41.760 meeting on the connector road I would say that counseling back was a very 00:20:41.760 --> 00:20:47.080 attentive and information I'll let him characterize any feelings he has post 00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:57.040 that but we we sat down with them went over chapter and verse and so I love how 00:20:57.040 --> 00:21:00.680 y'all are staring at me yeah we go we had a we did have a breakout meeting and 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:07.640 and John and Scott spent a lot of time explaining the merits of various elements 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.760 of the proposal I tried to highlight things that I thought the public would 00:21:12.760 --> 00:21:16.960 squeak about and and I don't know where we've come back from then but I do know 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:22.760 we're having a meeting in June 13 should be right yes that sounds right 00:21:22.760 --> 00:21:33.880 you know there is so it'll be it'll be interesting to see the feedback I can 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:43.040 tell you just as an issue of feedback that the people don't you need me you 00:21:43.040 --> 00:21:47.160 too need to highlight more whenever you're talking to people who's paying 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:51.640 for what and the cost of it right that changes people's perspectives a lot 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:59.960 right who gets to make the final decision well I mean both that but like 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:03.720 we were talking about having three separations of grade being an extra 50 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:08.880 million and people go they immediately stop at 50 million because that's it 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:13.680 that's an extra amount and they don't want to see Cassie put into the budget 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:18.400 right there's everything you can talk about everything you want to talk about 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:24.240 and we can walk the logic on you know what we do when we get to those 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:31.960 situations the program we've got takes into consideration your thoroughfare 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:40.800 plan and also something that we think we can actually get funded by the state so 00:22:41.040 --> 00:22:49.200 I have a question on a project like any project okay let's use this project okay 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:55.520 it's specifically for this project I would say okay when what what when do 00:22:55.520 --> 00:23:00.360 you come to the public and say okay public we have everything we need right 00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:04.960 it's time to go and not necessarily based on the funding showing up because 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:09.840 everybody's not gonna be happy with anything ever at all correct how do you 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:15.120 how does how will this decision be made to say okay we have what we need we're 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:19.600 getting ready to build this road so when you see something that says public 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:25.260 meeting yes that's intent to actually gain information in order to make the 00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:31.480 project better okay okay but when you see the next step being a public hearing 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:35.600 they're only there to hear the complaints and then they're gonna go 00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:40.940 respond to the federal government on why we're not changing our plan so once the 00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:45.500 public hearing hits it's done and done so that's why I'm saying the public 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:50.720 meetings and the feedback we're getting from the stakeholders which essentially 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:57.840 in this case is Denton is critical to making sure that we get the best project 00:23:57.840 --> 00:24:05.360 we can for you and still meet all the state requirements so how do you all 00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:10.600 determine what's fluff and what's not fluff dr. Beck not fluff somebody else 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:16.080 don't spend my money that could be fluff so the typical comments we get from a 00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:19.520 public meeting is is they either don't want the road they don't want to be 00:24:19.520 --> 00:24:23.840 impacted by the road or they don't want the traffic right so we respond to those 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:30.120 in the meetings phases like though you saw those two or three other alternatives 00:24:30.120 --> 00:24:36.000 that further out we eliminated those partially because of the comments we got 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.360 but the other part was that it was significantly higher cost than what a 00:24:41.360 --> 00:24:47.000 connection road should be so the two things eliminated it the cost and the 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.560 fact that the public wasn't really supporting of going out that far and 00:24:50.560 --> 00:24:53.800 damaging them with many property owners we were going to damage it a lot of 00:24:53.800 --> 00:24:57.520 property owners so that's that's how the public meeting process works we hear 00:24:57.520 --> 00:25:01.840 what you got to say we all come and meet together and we try to tweak it because 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:07.360 there's been a lot of tweaks one of the tweaks we did was we had the major 00:25:07.360 --> 00:25:13.880 crossing at Kings Row yeah and Scott and his group pointed out some of the things 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:19.920 y'all have planned in that area that Windsor makes a better location because 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:24.920 it's for multiple reasons and the state agreed and so we tweaked the plans to 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:33.920 dominate predominance the Windsor and under under serve or whatever you want 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:39.320 to do reduce them the area at the Kings Row because there's not enough room for 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:44.120 both of them we can only have one and so that kind of feedback changed the 00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:50.440 schematic and and the the cost part of it is is the counties paying for the 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:55.520 environmental clearance and the design and the schematic and all that so every 00:25:55.520 --> 00:26:01.200 time we have to change it the county pays more for it and the reality is it 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:06.480 made good sense everybody said yes and so we make we're making a change and so 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:16.200 for you know the benefit of the public this is just a clear it's a very clear 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:23.160 notion I don't know the other word that it takes time so all of this stuff there 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:28.600 we're seeing right now the meetings and all of that this has been a years ago 00:26:28.600 --> 00:26:34.160 project yeah so I tell people of time y'all heard it I think we can build 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.360 roads tomorrow if I didn't have to include you in the process violate your 00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:40.480 property rights and not care about the environment but if we got to do those 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:48.880 things it takes time but where we are we're at a point where after this last 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.880 public meeting which I think this is going to be the last because we did make 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.080 significant changes from what they saw last time so we needed to come out and 00:26:56.080 --> 00:27:02.240 say this is what we're thinking what say you are this is what you say well when 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:08.720 we tried to respond to what I don't know if this is good news or bad news for you 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:15.280 three yeah but the federal government doesn't look at individuals the federal 00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:19.960 government looks at jurisdictions so if you've got a jurisdiction says we 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.560 support project a and I just literally had this happen I've been at a public 00:27:25.560 --> 00:27:31.120 hearing where there were 1,300 people wearing red shirts said stop 2499 and we 00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:34.680 were started at six and we didn't get done to four o'clock in the morning 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:39.120 because we want he had to hear from everybody and as long as Highland 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:43.560 Village and fly them out of the county so this is what we need to do the feds 00:27:43.560 --> 00:27:49.920 didn't see the 1,300 people or the 4,000 comments that said they didn't want the 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.800 road they saw the jurisdiction there represents everybody saying this is what 00:27:53.800 --> 00:27:58.160 we got to do so the feds are really going to look to the city and the 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:08.280 county to make a comment on the schematic and thank you Johnson when 00:28:08.280 --> 00:28:11.360 you're talking hearing versus meeting what I'm hearing you say is that the 00:28:11.360 --> 00:28:17.120 public has can have much more influence at the meeting perfect and less so at 00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:22.200 the hearings that correct okay exactly right they got to change the name or 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:27.280 that last thing we're here to tell you no meeting that's what they should call 00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:36.440 it we ain't changing reality we ain't changing all right thank you okay segment 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.640 seven is a part of the 288 job that we were just talking about we show it 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.120 separate for y'all because again y'all are y'all got it as segment seven but 00:28:44.120 --> 00:28:49.800 it's part of the 288 job and we'll be built with the 288 job no city money 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:59.800 alright 1515 we're looking at still ready to let of summer of next year we're 00:28:59.800 --> 00:29:03.960 working on utilities that's pretty much driving the boat on this project or the 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:11.000 utilities and we're fairly confident because of various sundry issues with 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.360 this project we're fairly confident that we're going to be able to get the 34 00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:19.680 million we need to build it got a question John I mean I don't know how 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:24.800 much I mean this is an industrial area I'm assuming it's very rich in in 00:29:24.800 --> 00:29:29.840 subsurface utilities along that path yeah is that is that right I mean it's 00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:33.800 complicated to do it or everything straightforward I mean everything's 00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:44.600 complicated but I mean we listen this is like the 5700 time we've done it so it's 00:29:44.600 --> 00:29:50.080 just the utility relocations take sometimes the longest time and they have 00:29:50.080 --> 00:29:57.360 the most danger to the schedule because the state and the county and the city 00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:02.480 city has more than the state and the county does swing with these franchise 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:07.120 utilities because they got better lobbyists right and the county can't 00:30:07.120 --> 00:30:12.200 compete with them y'all issue franchise stuff so y'all can have some sway with 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:18.240 them but you typically if the utilities dig their heels in on something we got 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.280 to find a way around it because they they can't stop a project which is like 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:30.080 on the big big job for the merge on 35 we coordinated with everybody because 00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:33.080 we're going to do what's called a utility bank where everybody's going in 00:30:33.080 --> 00:30:40.160 generally the same area and we had to essentially order the priorities based 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.480 on City of Denton utilities out there because they were the biggest Kahuna 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:49.520 out there that we had to work around so it's just every every time is different 00:30:49.520 --> 00:30:55.160 but yes we know what's out there and if we don't we find it with a backhoe well 00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:00.720 okay so that was my follow-up question and that is I know that as we get 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.360 further back in time the the coordinates of the of the actual utility get worse 00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:14.560 and worse right you know because we just we didn't GPS them back in the day or or 00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:18.280 we didn't write into the plans oh yeah we moved it three foot to the left right 00:31:18.280 --> 00:31:24.080 they don't tell you contractor may take your plans and it may be off by foot but 00:31:24.080 --> 00:31:27.320 when we're in an area where we really think that we need to have to have a 00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:33.760 significant level of assurance we'll go out and do potholes potholes and we'll 00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:41.840 try to find them physically before we finalize the design because some of 00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:45.840 these projects have if they get screwed up in contract they're going to go hard 00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:50.740 expensive on the state so doing a little bit upfront skull-duggery to find out 00:31:50.740 --> 00:32:03.720 where they are is beneficial okay 1173 from crumb over to 35 we are continuing 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.560 that project we met with crumb and there are some issues with some of their 00:32:08.560 --> 00:32:13.640 historical stuff that we're going to work around that they told us what was 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:19.920 most important and so we're we've got everything in play for a February 25 let 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:30.880 and the part of the cost on this is that there's a ton of drainage issues right 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.080 as you get to crumb you kind of see that green area right here there's a lot of 00:32:35.080 --> 00:32:39.720 there's a lot of drainage in here that's making the project more expensive that 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.840 you would think for a you know four mile road so we're working through that with 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:49.160 this one probably we want to go through about your engineering because it 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:55.440 shouldn't we got to figure out a way to get that cost down for you know 30 00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:03.880 million a mile um that's what I had some issues with a railroad track so what 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:12.000 we're doing is okay sorry so what we're gonna have to do is we're not we're 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.960 gonna go at great at where it crosses what your old Barthold is but we're 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.840 gonna close the one here at 1173 so these people here will have like a 00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:27.540 hammerhead u-turn and then these people will be able to come back and we're 00:33:27.540 --> 00:33:34.120 gonna build in a tie-in here so it's not gonna be not a little unlike Edwards 00:33:34.120 --> 00:33:38.840 over here at Mayhill we're gonna have to come up and then tie into the signal if 00:33:38.840 --> 00:33:44.680 you want to come back so we're that's gonna be part of this job so we're we're 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:52.320 switching at grades and so far the railroad hasn't balked but they usually 00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:55.120 like to wait till right at the last minute to throw a wrench in the process 00:33:55.120 --> 00:34:03.160 so we got plenty of time for them to screw it up so no questions we'll just 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:15.760 move right on it's the outer loop what do you want to know though no the alignments 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.600 that I got to see I don't I don't know if the rest of the committee got to see 00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:25.800 them that we were down to four or five or whatever they were yeah my question 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:36.440 is when when are we gonna get closer to releasing these to the public I mean I 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:42.480 know you you like the not are not you but the workflow likes to not do it 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.760 until the final alignment and which is distasteful to everyone everybody wants 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.080 to see at least what the last couple of options are so we're getting close to 00:34:52.080 --> 00:34:58.120 showing the the four or five and it's really it's not four or five because we 00:34:58.120 --> 00:35:04.880 have to cross the green belt at 428 yeah right we have to tie in where Collin 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:12.120 counties built the road we're building a 1250 foot long bridge at Milam so we can 00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:16.920 fit underneath there so we've got three points set so there's a couple of 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.320 alternatives three or four on the west side and two or three on the east side 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.240 but this is a this is an environmental impact statement so the public will be 00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:32.200 able to see soon because we're looking if we're looking at summer 26 I'm 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:40.200 thinking sometime fall of next year there'll be two alternatives that we're 00:35:40.200 --> 00:35:47.120 going to take through the full-on matrix of what's what the feds call a thorough 00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:53.840 vetting of their environmental impacts so an EA you only take one but the feds 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:00.160 require you to take two and we will have those two narrowed down probably by like 00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:05.400 I say fall of next year and it comes from talking to to the stakeholders right 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:14.120 so in this case we've got Aubrey not so much Krugerville pilot point has a lot 00:36:14.120 --> 00:36:19.680 right away a lot of city property that goes way south on 377 so they're a minor 00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:25.840 stakeholder y'all are the big kahuna on this one in this area and the core so 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:32.920 we're talking about a 500 foot footprint except for when we cross the green belt 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.720 and it's 150 feet and what right now the core has told us to do is figure out a 00:36:37.720 --> 00:36:43.200 way to stay in 150 feet and so we've come up with a dual deck system that 00:36:43.200 --> 00:36:50.980 works but the other part of the core of engineers wants us to help them with 00:36:50.980 --> 00:36:58.120 their flooding issues and so we may trade that effort for a little bit more 00:36:58.120 --> 00:37:02.800 width on the green belt area if we need it but I don't think we'll need it so 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.960 we're going to be taking two through fall next year we'll be able to start 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:14.360 showing those to the public for comment right the meeting side and the public 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:21.040 involvement process for a EIS is double what it is for an EA so all the things 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:30.720 where you see what's doing with 288 we're gonna times to it for the outer loop once we get there this 00:37:30.720 --> 00:37:37.520 is so exciting to me I think I just heard you say fall next year for public 00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:42.560 meetings yeah so we've been having we will the county because the reason why 00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:47.960 we wanted to do this document is we want to be significantly more attentive and 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.880 attuned to the needs of the local people so we're meeting one-offs with people 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.320 that have the land that call us hey we got a question so we'll meet with one 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.680 property owner if we have to and walk walk the dog on on if there is an 00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:06.200 alignment that's shown on their property what the logic is so we have 00:38:06.200 --> 00:38:14.440 constant constant flow meetings with property owners developers anytime y'all 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.120 want to anytime you don't want additional information we'll get LGA 00:38:18.120 --> 00:38:23.520 here and we'll run you'll run it down with you but so we do the we do the 00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:29.600 one-offs but the formal public meetings I think we're supposed to have four and 00:38:29.600 --> 00:38:38.040 we've had one I think and I'll have to go back and check it was but maybe not 00:38:38.040 --> 00:38:43.360 they all run together I'm doing the outer loop in Coppin and Rockwell County too 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:53.160 so I can't remember who's done what thank you you know is this our last one 00:38:53.160 --> 00:39:04.280 that's somebody else I just put it in here so y'all can yell out yeah I know 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:12.480 we just except we have right under it a water main break and I'm asking what 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:17.120 what's the relationship of this finishing with this water main break and 00:39:17.120 --> 00:39:23.200 who's on the hook for it and who's on the hook for repairing the road I'm not 00:39:23.200 --> 00:39:32.720 answering that yeah danger Kramer deputy director of operations we're still 00:39:32.720 --> 00:39:37.240 looking into everything that happened what it looks like is it wasn't a 00:39:37.240 --> 00:39:42.440 water main break looks like a drainage issue which pushed up so we're still 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:47.840 investigating it looks like some repairs were done in the area and we're still 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.160 trying to figure exactly what's happening so as we find out more we'll 00:39:51.160 --> 00:39:59.720 let you know so I get no I appreciate that I guess it's in the direction of 00:39:59.720 --> 00:40:05.640 who owns the road currently because we were in the midst of transitioning it 00:40:05.640 --> 00:40:10.520 from the state to us so Eagle was always going to remain part of the state because 00:40:10.520 --> 00:40:16.120 that connects 377 okay Elman Locust will be turned over to the city after they 00:40:16.120 --> 00:40:21.320 are complete on that all right so we're gonna we're gonna 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:27.080 unfortunate not unfortunately we're going to maintain our lovely dance on 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:35.680 on that stretch of Eagle for okay correct because you've got 377 going 00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:43.120 through your city so that is my last one I think you know it just so happens 00:40:43.120 --> 00:40:48.880 that I'm a retired teacher and so I'm always in and we have it educated here 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:57.480 next to me it's always um this has probably been the most informative 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:02.800 meeting that I've been in not saying John this doesn't have anything to do 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:09.040 with you but what it does I was not talking about John I was talking about 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:15.600 the process yes but thank you so much for going in a bit of more detail you 00:41:15.600 --> 00:41:21.360 know on some of these things and I'm just gonna say with that being said in 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:29.240 it I don't know how we're gonna get the public to just be more curious about you 00:41:29.240 --> 00:41:32.760 know what's happening around here and what we're trying to do here what I'm 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:39.480 trying to do is to give them as much information as possible now that we're 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.880 in this big project up here on north of us that you were just talking about and 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.600 you'd go in in the detail as to how that's happening is that no one person 00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:53.560 is just sitting around just making these decisions no you all are spending time 00:41:53.560 --> 00:41:58.240 at this time speaking to people you're gonna get ready for these public 00:41:58.240 --> 00:42:02.720 meetings and then at some point there's going to be some hearings and then we 00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:07.880 can get started on that in that roadway and that's just gonna be years again a 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.360 years long years and years long project so thank you John 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:18.520 appreciate you and the questions too guys thank you all for asking some you 00:42:18.520 --> 00:42:24.120 know if we need some information so thank you all right so we'll move on to 00:42:24.120 --> 00:42:36.560 see MC 24 - 0 1 5 of our staff memorandums so we have a couple of items 00:42:36.560 --> 00:42:42.000 on the staff memo for you the the bollard placement if you have any 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:51.000 questions on that Chandra and/or dr. but is available to answer do you want me 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.280 to go through each one of them and then take questions or how do you want I 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:59.120 don't know what do you all think okay uh let's just not do that for you know 00:42:59.120 --> 00:43:02.640 sick of time but we if there are any questions look like you had a question 00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:08.600 yes sir so no I don't mind streamlining because we can just respond to the back 00:43:08.600 --> 00:43:17.000 of materials but I guess pardon me I guess the reason I asked for this item 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:25.560 to be put on is to get a better understanding of what where we can use 00:43:25.560 --> 00:43:32.720 them and I don't give an example and how we should use them in sort of and some 00:43:32.720 --> 00:43:36.320 of the aesthetic complaints that we've had especially on Old North because it 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:49.200 doesn't actually match this description and and so yeah I see Scott so the this 00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:57.720 this says hey we use these case 71 ballards any questions that's what that 00:43:57.720 --> 00:44:03.120 says and I'm being a little harsh on it because it's thin and what I was trying 00:44:03.120 --> 00:44:08.200 to get is guidance what's allowed I can go I can go read the the state 00:44:08.200 --> 00:44:12.200 engineering and federal engineering manuals I was hoping not to I was hoping 00:44:12.200 --> 00:44:18.600 to use your time to streamline and in particular the sort of not that we use 00:44:18.600 --> 00:44:26.800 them but what are our options for places that we would use them and I think no 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:32.720 you no one's grousing about Parkway about Ector about other a little bit but 00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:39.160 I mean I'm not hearing it anyway and and I think if you compare the ones that 00:44:39.160 --> 00:44:45.360 have less grousing it is there can there were a consistent pattern of use and 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:52.000 replacement and and I'm trying to get to where where you know what where can we 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.800 use these things to fulfill that their mission on say something like an old 00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.880 north and still and so that I was trying to get more information figure out what 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.480 more options what what our opportunities were and I'm being a little critical 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:18.720 because that's it yes ma'am I think our question I think our question is okay an 00:45:18.720 --> 00:45:23.600 update you've given us an update and the update says we've made this decision 00:45:23.600 --> 00:45:30.680 now when I say we I think that's the part that he's probably missing out of 00:45:30.680 --> 00:45:37.000 this context is to we don't feel like you're talking about we us the people 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:45.240 that live you know in that area have you all done that particular kind of work to 00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:56.360 satisfy this or you know we as a citizen take your expertise into knowing that 00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:03.520 this type of product is best for us how does that correlate to what he's saying 00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:10.040 okay good morning everyone Chandra city traffic engineer so mostly we use the 00:46:10.040 --> 00:46:15.280 flexible bollards which is the case 71 type that we have for lane delineation 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:20.680 and separation between the motor vehicles and the pedestrians but to be 00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:33.640 specific to answer councilmember may report him big it's it's only for like 00:46:33.640 --> 00:46:39.720 pedestrian separations so far and those are retractable and it can take impacts 00:46:39.720 --> 00:46:44.520 from trucks and it can stand back up and we don't use the metal ones or the 00:46:44.520 --> 00:46:49.400 concrete ones that for federal buildings that for the safety of the building 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:56.360 itself and the contents inside so for other products we do not have in our 00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:04.080 toolbox and we could explore more but so far case 71 has been the approved 00:47:04.080 --> 00:47:09.560 devices that we use and have publications extensively that used in 00:47:09.560 --> 00:47:14.840 other cities as well so if I can follow up what I'm hearing you ask and so I 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.320 want to clarify you're asking when we can be using them when more on the 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:24.160 planning process side for when we're thinking about putting in bollards not 00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:33.600 necessarily the specific type that we're using or both so yes that but also I 00:47:33.600 --> 00:47:39.880 think it's unclear what what our options are in different locations okay 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:45.400 cuz got everywhere I mean if we're if we're nailed down if we're using if we 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.080 make the executive decision to only use case everyone bought bollards just so 00:47:50.080 --> 00:47:57.360 that's what we have in our warehouse as a supply and we're shoe warning seven 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:02.000 different kinds of uses in the case everyone's then that may be one of the 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:08.480 reasons that we you know there may or may not be happiness with it because it 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:17.040 fits better in certain circumstances than others and and I think as a request 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:21.720 for information so that we can provide policy recommendations it is more 00:48:21.720 --> 00:48:29.360 understanding what the universe could go there and how well case 71 matches the 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.600 universe of options and whether that really is the best thing or whether we 00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:37.920 should be looking at something else for given locations not we're not trying I'm 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.480 not trying to set the second guess that we only want to store he said he was in 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:47.760 our in our warehouse that it's an easy one it's cheap right but the if there's 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.360 locations where we want to recommend to counsel that we should go more or go 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:57.640 less then we need to know what the options are 00:49:03.640 --> 00:49:08.280 I was gonna suggest we could probably put together an ISR for you and outline 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:15.480 the book provide more more information and then we can bring that back to the 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:27.760 next meeting I think part of what I'm hearing Brian say is is I guess you're 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.440 kind of looking for other options for Old North partially that maybe you're 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.720 more amenable to the neighborhood what I would advocate for is that we only use 00:49:36.720 --> 00:49:42.120 the K 71s for bike ped delineation because when I bike on Old North and I'm 00:49:42.120 --> 00:49:45.480 not driving biking in the parking lane people get really aggressive and it's 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.560 really scary and because they think it's a bike lane and it's not a bike lane it's 00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:52.200 a parking lane you can bike in if it's empty but swerving in and out of cars is 00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:57.200 very dangerous but people think it's a bike lane I've I've a lady threatened me 00:49:57.200 --> 00:50:01.480 quite significantly one day nearly ran me over because I wasn't in the parking 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.400 lane where she thought I should be because she thought it was a bike lane so 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:08.640 I would definitely advocate for consistency of use for the K 71s but I 00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:14.040 my understanding was these were placed on Old North basically as traffic calming 00:50:14.040 --> 00:50:18.240 because people were using the parking lane to pass is what I think I recall so 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:22.800 I mean so it sounds like it sounds like we need to maybe experiment with some 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.960 alternative ways to prevent people from driving in the parking lane I would 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:35.160 advocate against using K 71s if it's not actually a bike or peddling anybody else 00:50:35.160 --> 00:50:42.120 well it just so happens that I flew in from Denver Colorado yesterday and why 00:50:42.120 --> 00:50:49.240 and I was there for four days and I mean I was totally obsessed with bike lanes 00:50:49.240 --> 00:50:55.680 and parking I in and I was I think this was the first time that I was able to go 00:50:55.680 --> 00:51:02.960 in and just kind of feel the city I was in all over the city and I was very 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.200 impressed and was trying to understand how they had all that laid out because I 00:51:08.200 --> 00:51:14.000 can see the people biking and taking public transportation I could see that 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:19.400 it was so clearly evident and I was thinking about Susie the entire time that 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.280 I was there because it was just laid out in certain kind of way because you have 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:29.520 to have space for parking then biking and how they use some of those bus lanes 00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:34.640 you know for certain things and narrowing the roads and maybe having some 00:51:34.640 --> 00:51:38.780 over here I mean I was really really obsessed with it and taking it in so I 00:51:38.780 --> 00:51:45.160 do understand what Susie is saying in regards to using a particular type of 00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:53.440 material for a particular reason and in the end educating the public on you know 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.560 and it's gonna take some time so you got a lot of work to do and plus there was 00:51:57.560 --> 00:52:03.080 all of this lime green you know going everywhere and crosswalks they were all 00:52:03.080 --> 00:52:08.840 lined out in colors so people could you know understand so I'm really looking 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:13.360 forward to our city trying to figure that out for us because our roads are 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:18.840 way different a lot of narrow and neighborhoods and stuff like that on 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:23.680 these new neighborhoods so it's gonna be interesting to see how we pull all of 00:52:23.680 --> 00:52:30.280 that out sure thank you very much back here you're good okay thank you anything 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:39.960 else for any other section okay you had some I think Hickory Creek Road was on 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:46.320 here right I think I read that yesterday is that right it was on the project 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:51.240 update so the construction oh so that's the next thing update I can wait it's 00:52:51.240 --> 00:52:57.240 mentioned in this memo at the bottom I've been getting questions about from 00:52:57.240 --> 00:53:01.320 people who live down there that notice it from at least what they're saying it 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:06.240 hasn't been touched in several months they were told that some things were 00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:09.960 settling and I just looked on the website and looks like for the past three 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.480 months it's been settling and then the most recent thing I heard or here I saw 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.120 that it's the railroad so kind of where are we with that I see that they're 00:53:18.120 --> 00:53:22.560 supposed to start moving again soon yeah so Seth Garcia deputy director of 00:53:22.560 --> 00:53:27.100 capital projects so we are at a stall as John mentioned earlier the railroad can 00:53:27.100 --> 00:53:40.000 come in and throw a kink pretty quickly to derail a project so Kansas City 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.280 Southern sold out while we were working through our CM agreement for the 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:49.640 overpass at grade crossing Ben's laughing he knows so we've been going 00:53:49.640 --> 00:53:55.520 back and forth quite a bit with them as well as with encore to provide power to 00:53:55.520 --> 00:54:00.000 the existing lights and gates before we take the crossing out so we have the 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.280 agreement with encore done and they are currently getting temp power over to 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:10.040 power the lights and gates we're meeting with the railroad weekly trying to hash 00:54:10.040 --> 00:54:15.040 out the terms of the CM agreement so once we get that in place we currently 00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:21.840 kind of are at a standstill we also need to get the overpass agreement in place to 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:27.080 get a gas line moved out of the way as well so once those three things happen 00:54:27.080 --> 00:54:32.040 which is kind of a perfect storm of things our contractor will be back out 00:54:32.040 --> 00:54:35.600 there and we'll be able to take off with construction again and just out of 00:54:35.600 --> 00:54:38.960 curiosity for future reference how long does it normally take for things to 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.800 settle typically so when you say settle this person called it pylons but 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:48.920 elsewhere I saw it called not a berry basically where the bridge is gonna sit 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:56.120 the supports gotcha yeah so it's varies by construction again that's that's not 00:54:56.120 --> 00:55:02.280 currently what we're waiting on is for any settling to happen or anything with 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:08.040 the abutments but yeah so so that's not currently the problem but again that 00:55:08.040 --> 00:55:13.640 kind of varies based off the design what's the range typically ish I'm happy 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:21.320 yeah it's there's a huge I don't even know where to guess to be honest with 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:35.360 you okay yeah months to years okay yeah it's very variable thank you um looking 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:42.280 on the back of the side a question about Westgate this Westgate if you remember 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:48.720 off the top your head is Westgate behind schedule and or costing more than we 00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:56.600 anticipated I know it's behind schedule what's the do we know why generally 00:55:56.600 --> 00:56:01.200 speaking yeah so Seth Garcia again so currently we're at 90% plans we're 00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:05.080 working with a couple property owners out there where we're gonna need to take 00:56:05.080 --> 00:56:10.840 some right away and acquire it again kind of the grandiose so plan is have 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:15.400 Westgate and Bonnie Bray six going concurrently again we're adding 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.160 milestones in the Westgate contract to provide that east-west connection first 00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:25.660 to be able to alleviate some of the high school traffic right now our biggest 00:56:25.660 --> 00:56:28.920 critical path is going to be the right away acquisition we're currently talking 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.480 with the property owner on multiple projects they're one that we deal with 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:38.520 quite frequently so I wouldn't say the design is necessarily behind but 00:56:38.520 --> 00:56:42.480 currently the right away acquisition is not quite where we need it to be but 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:48.320 again we're trying to sync up the Bonnie Bray six the rainy road east and Westgate 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.960 all at one time to make sure we're coordinating those construction efforts 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:57.880 okay and obviously it's gonna cost more money than we anticipated to so looking 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:03.320 at current OPC sees the construction dollars as they John talked about earlier 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:09.040 we are continuing to see an increase in kind of construction costs I think the 00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:11.880 biggest one is going to be the right away acquisition that we're dealing with 00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:16.480 there not knowing where we're gonna land if we have to condemn of course prices 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:20.900 go up but again that's that's kind of the biggest variable cost that we have 00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:24.000 our eyes on right now 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:34.080 thanks thank you if I may I just have one other item on the Woodrow Lane and 00:57:34.080 --> 00:57:40.640 more Street traffic signal so they did determine that traffic signal is 00:57:40.640 --> 00:57:47.400 warranted at that intersection so we're gonna add it to a budget but it's still 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.720 not funding funded so it's gonna be funded dependent funding dependent on 00:57:52.720 --> 00:57:57.240 whether when that will be actually constructed 00:57:57.240 --> 00:58:14.440 and I agree it's needed because there's a hill when you're at that T you look to 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:28.400 the south I remember once upon a time and that hasn't been that long ago there 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:40.320 was a caution light for school crossing you remember being here that long to 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:46.560 remember a school crossing light at the time when Alexander Elementary School 00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:54.000 was letting out they would have that light going for the kids and so I'm 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.240 coming back to the notion that there's a brand new apartment complex that it's 00:58:59.240 --> 00:59:04.160 coming up over there on Woodrow and I do understand some families are gonna be 00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:09.040 living there and I haven't done the homework I haven't even picked the phone 00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:14.080 up to ask you know what the school's children would be going to will they go 00:59:14.080 --> 00:59:20.080 to Alexander or are they going to Rivera so then they're going to have to cross 00:59:20.080 --> 00:59:26.760 that road I'm just not sure that you know that conversation has been part of 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:33.560 the conversation yet I know I've asked about it maybe several months ago so and 00:59:33.560 --> 00:59:40.120 then this is why the question of a light being at Morris and Woodrow the 00:59:40.120 --> 00:59:43.900 necessity of that and us being able to get those kids over across the street 00:59:43.900 --> 00:59:49.160 because they're not gonna be busting no and I think we'll we'll do we'll do some 00:59:49.160 --> 00:59:53.240 homework and get something reported back to you so just ultimately kind of what 00:59:53.240 --> 00:59:57.840 that plan might look like near mid and long term okay so you'll get back to us 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:04.040 we're ready to speak on that okay then that one is very important to me that's 01:00:04.040 --> 01:00:09.400 my little situation right there we've got to address that and they're coming 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:17.680 along with it and your concern is that not only do we need a crossing from the 01:00:17.680 --> 01:00:22.520 apartment complex over by the old the old shelter but also not making those 01:00:22.520 --> 01:00:31.400 kids walk down to this new proposed life to help us get that concern under so I'm 01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:34.580 not gonna worry about it right now as long as I know that it's you know it's 01:00:34.580 --> 01:00:39.240 part of of that and how some of those people are driving more people and those 01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:43.320 people are driving way more faster than I remember it ever being out there in 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:48.120 that area I agree I agree with the stoplight of my question is on the east 01:00:48.120 --> 01:00:56.320 side of Woodrow next to obviously the city facility I assume that land is zone 01:00:56.320 --> 01:01:01.600 light industrial any plans to I guess is that Tom Fouts name what they're gonna 01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:04.520 do with that what's gonna come in the future the vacant lot next to a 01:01:04.520 --> 01:01:11.800 facilities management I think it's for sale right now and I guess I'm 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:17.400 extrapolating here but I'm asking what might the future consequences yield if 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.940 we put a stoplight there given what's gonna come to that area and that when 01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:25.240 they sell that field I will accept I don't know I'm just talking out loud so 01:01:25.240 --> 01:01:31.760 it's okay we'll make that determination as traffic warrants require that site 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:38.080 is proposed to be developed as light industrial okay okay all right that I 01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:42.920 think the drive the drive may change there and that location may change where 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:48.080 that drive is at so just there may be some alignment but that'll be part of it 01:01:48.080 --> 01:01:55.640 like Scott thank you for bringing that up because I was a question that I was 01:01:55.640 --> 01:02:09.000 gonna ask anybody else okay I do want to with including items anybody I have one 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:15.040 um Farhan would like to introduce some new staff members to everyone 01:02:15.040 --> 01:02:34.480 morning chair committee members Farhan but deputy director of transportation 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:40.200 services division I am pleased to inform you that we had three vacant positions 01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:48.760 one senior planner bike pad and ADA and that position has been filled we have 01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:56.720 hired Gregory Scott Greg comes to us with 30 years of experience on bike pad 01:02:56.720 --> 01:03:04.040 planning and has done a lot of projects all over US and he's also he's got 01:03:04.040 --> 01:03:10.200 diverse experience on when it comes to ADA as well and has you know 01:03:10.200 --> 01:03:13.880 participated in many processes and process developments when it comes to 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:20.480 ADA Greg is in the move right now he's moving from Portland which is Viking 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:28.320 heaven yeah and so he's he's hauling his stuff and then he's gonna be here 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:34.820 within I guess it's three to four days drive for him so he'll be here soon I'm 01:03:34.820 --> 01:03:40.240 assuming that by mid-june he'll be he'll be here in the city office and then I 01:03:40.240 --> 01:03:47.440 would like to introduce Sahar Asfandyari Sahar has a PhD in urban planning and 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:53.080 she has several years of experience in transportation planning and also a 01:03:53.080 --> 01:03:57.800 public engagement when it comes to comes to transportation projects she comes to 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:05.440 us from Plano and has is interested in planning processes here and then also 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:10.720 participating in many public engagement processes for various projects and then 01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:18.040 we have Raqib Alam Raqib comes to us from Florida Lee County Florida and he 01:04:18.040 --> 01:04:22.840 has a PhD in civil engineering and has several years of experience in 01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:28.260 transportation planning and also traffic engineering his focus is development 01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:35.020 review processes and has also along with his publication dissertation his 01:04:35.020 --> 01:04:40.240 publication is on has several publications on data mining including 01:04:40.240 --> 01:04:50.360 fusion with Python and and many other programming languages I think I think 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:55.980 Raqib's focus would be on development review and data mining and also he'll be 01:04:55.980 --> 01:05:02.200 helping us with traffic engineering data integrations as we go I'm hoping to 01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:07.440 develop data integration process for for traffic operations as well and that's 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:19.240 where we are hoping that Raqib will be able to help us so now we know who now 01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:39.800 we know who Brian is gonna be hanging out with every weekend when Gregory gets 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.640 here I want to go on the bike ride with you guys I know you go ask me on a bike 01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:51.280 ride around the city I'm going to well I know I'm not gonna go but I will 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.320 support it bounce the prayers 01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:08.440 just a little bit I almost actually got on one of those let me tell you my 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:12.080 experience in Colorado was really thought-provoking because I've 01:06:12.080 --> 01:06:19.960 literally almost I didn't really want to walk and I literally almost got on yes 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.960 and my daughter said well I'm gonna take the scooter and you can take then I'm 01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:29.920 like and she was like for real mom you can do it and I just blew it off but I 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:36.440 made the walk I made the walk it was like a almost a mile we were going anyway 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:43.040 I don't want to spend any time so I'm gonna move on well the last thing that 01:06:43.040 --> 01:06:47.680 I like to say and of course encourage each and every one of us in this room to 01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:54.480 get more people to watch these meetings so they can become informed and educated 01:06:54.480 --> 01:07:02.320 to know that now we have our very own data mining person out there we are 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:07.720 considerate of their concerns so you all let's try to do that let's just try to 01:07:07.720 --> 01:07:10.840 get more people to start watching at least this particular meeting because 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:17.060 infrastructure is very important yes sir are we doing other matrix items or when 01:07:17.060 --> 01:07:23.760 are you doing those I'm not sure what you mean other matrix oh I'm sorry yeah 01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:29.440 you can stay basic here does anybody have any questions the comments and 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:35.680 concerns on any future apps that we have you yes sir so I was approached by the 01:07:35.680 --> 01:07:43.920 folks in the new razor school district zone who do the bike bus Stephanie okay 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:51.640 what's her last name Brooks Brooks then and they would very much appreciate when 01:07:51.640 --> 01:07:58.600 Scott when Greg Scott gets here helping map out a safe routes to the school kind 01:07:58.600 --> 01:08:06.040 of destination pathing for the bike bus but pedestrian quarters in general I 01:08:06.040 --> 01:08:10.200 mean I know that such a map there's already a plan for safe routes to the 01:08:10.200 --> 01:08:15.820 school for every school but but this is a unique occurrence because of the bike 01:08:15.820 --> 01:08:21.880 bus situation and the fact that the school is new and they're in the throes 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:29.880 of planning pick up and drop off of cars and keeping the bike pit people separate 01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:35.720 from the pickup and drop off people and and it is the perfect time to do this 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:41.640 this destination pathing and I think this is an easy win for mr. Scott like 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:46.260 really quickly he could probably solve this in a week so and work with the 01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:50.200 stakeholders so I'm gonna recommend that even if it's not a matrix item that you 01:08:50.200 --> 01:08:54.760 at least get to that when he gets here give him an easy win and getting started 01:08:54.760 --> 01:09:04.960 rolling I'd like to propose that maybe in the next meeting or next two meetings 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:11.640 we begin to look at trip funds for DCTA next year previously I pitched for this 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:16.480 year's trip funds that we use them to purchase service from DCTA because 01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:21.600 there's so many areas of our city that just do not have a DCTA bus service and 01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:27.880 I'd like to revisit that for the 2025 trip funds thank you as in purchasing a 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:37.080 route yes okay cool question real quick John those funds you were talking about 01:09:37.080 --> 01:09:41.480 those funds are for roadway projects or transportation related projects with the 01:09:41.480 --> 01:09:51.120 toll funds transportation related projects so can we check on all of the 01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:55.160 parameters that that whole money could be used for particularly I'm thinking 01:09:55.160 --> 01:10:01.160 about bus stops covered bus stops I know that in future phases for DCTA they're 01:10:01.160 --> 01:10:04.480 planning that and I know that they're also planning on getting some of that 01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:09.560 money from the cog what prevents us from asking the cog and not waiting for their 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.560 future phases so we can get this done a little bit sooner that's something you 01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.320 can check on does that make sense we can check on it but I'm gonna tell you if 01:10:17.320 --> 01:10:22.280 you already know that I mean DCTA gets sales tax money from all of the 01:10:22.280 --> 01:10:27.640 participating cities so didn't alone is about 19 million dollars of their budget 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.480 so I would propose that they use their the funding that they have available 01:10:31.480 --> 01:10:35.800 and have set aside for bus stops but I thought they're just gonna get that's 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:38.640 where it comes that's where it comes from but they're they're just gonna get 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:44.280 it from the car right no they're there they get a portion of our sales tax so 01:10:44.280 --> 01:10:50.480 anytime you shop and get in a portion of that sales tax funding goes to DCTA I 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:53.840 seriously I guess I was under the incorrect assumption that they would not 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:57.840 use their money they would ask the cog for that money since it is a 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:09.040 transportation-related item and everything that goes along with bus stops what I'm 01:11:09.040 --> 01:11:14.160 trying to figure out as a way and we cannot wait until phase four four years 01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:22.320 from now that's all so and we're doing some work well we'll get back we'll get 01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:34.200 back on that I did want to stay on that topic in using that money is this money 01:11:34.200 --> 01:11:45.560 available like right now the RTR funding the DCTA funding the trip funding no 01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:50.800 it's a trip funding the same as what the funding that he's talking about no 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:56.720 there's he's talking about RTR money and she's saying that there's money 19 01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:01.480 million dollars out there that's part of DCTA's budget that's their budget yes 01:12:01.480 --> 01:12:07.960 what is and are we asking them and we're not that's not RTA money so I mean 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:13.920 that's not true money um that's that's their money that they have that's set it 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:20.880 up and they're ready to be used so why are they not using it 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:30.880 right 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:42.240 okay so we're not posted for that but if you know I guess we were kind of going 01:12:42.240 --> 01:12:46.120 down into a rabbit hole on here thank you for bringing that back that's your 01:12:46.120 --> 01:12:51.840 job that's what you're supposed to do so I'll just leave it right there but I was 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:57.720 gonna say we're working on trying to get DCTA to come present at a upcoming 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.880 meeting we haven't been able to get our schedules aligned yet but I think those 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:07.320 are questions that you could very easily ask them okay when they present okay 01:13:07.320 --> 01:13:11.640 well I thought I was just clarifying you know a certain thing but apparently that 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:16.040 took us somewhere else that we didn't need to go right now thank you all any 01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:22.900 other questions anything else for matrix the matrix all right well I just want to 01:13:22.900 --> 01:13:28.120 and for concluding items and now we're in concluding items I wanted to just ask 01:13:28.120 --> 01:13:36.920 the community to download that engaged didn't app it really does work I've seen 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:42.560 some things just happen just because of being put in so we're asking the public 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:48.040 to go ahead and just download the engaged in app and become a part of the 01:13:48.040 --> 01:13:53.120 community and keeping us great by turning in things the other thing is I 01:13:53.120 --> 01:13:59.040 want the community to go out to that discuss didn't comm the city said that 01:13:59.040 --> 01:14:04.160 they were transparent and letting us know what's going on and so you any 01:14:04.160 --> 01:14:10.560 questions that you may have the answer may be there so start there anything 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:16.200 else in that regard if there's not anything else then we can conclude the 01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:22.720 meeting at 1115 and thank you all for being here