1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,320 good morning everyone Wednesday May 29th 10 a.m. we're in our council work session 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,160 room good morning for our mobility committee meeting after determining that 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:22,240 a quorum is present we will begin this meeting at approximately 10 a.m. so 4 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:27,240 first thing on the agenda is citizens comments for the agenda item do we have 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,360 any citizens comments no comments so we'll go to number two items for 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:40,560 individual consideration a MC 2 4 - 0 1 3 consider approval of the minutes of 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:52,520 April 24th 2024 can we get a motion for approval I move approval all right all 8 00:00:52,520 --> 00:01:01,440 in favor say all right so the minutes of the April 24 2024 meeting has been 9 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:10,200 approved on to be MC 2 4 - 0 1 4 receive a report and hold a discussion 10 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,380 regarding the city of Denton's transportation mobility project status 11 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:28,400 report good morning everybody so this is our second time through for some of y'all 12 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:35,440 so we'll go fairly quickly on the some of these items and you'll just as you 13 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:41,520 know stop me when you I got a question so we're still working on the funding 14 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,640 for all of these projects here some of its in place and some of it is committed 15 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,040 for future and some of them are projects that we need to still work on getting 16 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,280 funding for so we'll start with 35 North so text that has made the determination 17 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:04,860 to cut the yellow project into two segments because they're it's 18 00:02:04,860 --> 00:02:08,600 approaching with a total dollar amount where if they don't break it into two 19 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,560 contracts they'll let them at the same time but if they don't let they if they 20 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:19,320 don't break them into two projects it's right now it's at 471 and they think by 21 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,880 next year it'll be around 500 million and anything that's 500 million above 22 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,080 has to go through what we call value engineering and typically what happens 23 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,960 on value engineering is it gets more expensive so they're gonna break it into 24 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:40,760 into two still let it on the same time frame but two different two different 25 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,960 projects that's really the only news on that project have a question can you 26 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:53,600 will you please let us know the distance from what point to what point for the 27 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,760 yellow section absolutely soon as they break it they'll get a new CSJ for it 28 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:06,800 and we'll start tracking that project and that's from for 77 77 North to 455 29 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,680 where we're building the interchange at 455 now with a 455 project from the high 30 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,720 school out to western part of the county 31 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:28,120 and then what about the other purple stuff so those are all the purple the 32 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,440 purple I don't know which one's purple okay the purple is the one that's being 33 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:40,000 done with 455 the 08 one is a section north to I forget the limits but that's 34 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,480 the project that's probably gonna go first of the three the purple ones 35 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:51,760 already going it'll go blue green yellow okay and that's just because yellow has 36 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,400 all of this all these utilities to relocate and we're a little bit further 37 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:04,800 behind on these then than these and the good news is is we're pretty much with 38 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,360 the city didn't stuff on track for y'all's utility so the critical path or 39 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:19,280 other other projects other utilities the merge as you know let April 4th it came 40 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:29,800 in at 500 let's see 500 and 88 million just 18% over the district put in half 41 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,800 the Delta and then the Commission put in the other half so they ordered the 42 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,240 project there were only two bidders that's how much works going on in the 43 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:44,520 region and the bid said that if you you can't bid more than 56 months for this 44 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:50,880 project and both bidders bid 56 months so that's four and a half years and 45 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,000 there's you can see out there they're starting to put their SW 3p walls up 46 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:03,280 fences up for stormwater prevention and it'll just steadily get worse until it 47 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:16,200 gets better mayhill job we've got a June 2025 let that's on track the reason 48 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:22,440 we're not moving it into 2024 is because our cat cat two dollars are set for the 49 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:30,180 25 timeframe calendar year so we can't move it up but what basically happened 50 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:35,880 is about the time y'all get done with mayhill in Colorado and everybody settles 51 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,640 for a couple of months we're going to come in and start tearing stuff up and 52 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:47,280 what we're going to do is I'm going to propose that we use regional toll 53 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:52,160 revenue funds or RTR funds to connect the two projects so right now this 54 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:58,080 project ends right about the quick trip driveway and then y'all's project stops 55 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,240 pretty much just past Colorado and there's that leaveout section that's 56 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,880 pretty desperate so we think it's a pretty good candidate project for toll 57 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,040 revenue funds and we're gonna propose that if we get it y'all will have the 58 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,080 privilege of building it and y'all your staffs used RTR funds before name they 59 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,880 know all the processes involved with that because they're not federal dollars 60 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,760 and they're not state dollars they're they're just somewhere in the nebulous 61 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:37,800 yes sir I was just gonna ask where that comes from okay so back in 2003 2004 62 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:45,160 2005 2006 the region were given tools and not money to do the state was to do 63 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,640 projects and so we were given what they call CDA's comprehensive development 64 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,920 agreements and the ability to do toll roads toll manage lanes etc North Texas 65 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,680 took 7 billion dollars they were given and put 21 billion dollars projects on 66 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:08,040 the ground by using the CDA process which used Centra to build both 635 East 67 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:14,400 and the North Town Express and then they led a design-build project for 35 all 68 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,600 that money came from tolling a 121 from Denton to Collin County so it dips down 69 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:27,120 into Dallas so NTTA paid the region 3.2 billion dollars for the rights to that 70 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:34,840 project for 52 years that money went to the state's fund six but it was can only 71 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,040 be spent it's in a separate care it can only be spent in the Dallas and Fort 72 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Worth area because we're the ones paying the tolls so it was split up didn't 73 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Dallas and Collin split 2.4 billion dollars based on the revenue they were 74 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,240 going to generate off the toll management I'm off the toll road didn't 75 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,120 kind of got 1.6 billion Dallas got 400 million and then Collin County got 900 76 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,680 million but the Collin County hadn't built 121 yet ours was already open to 77 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,920 traffic so they had to use 600 of the 900 to build the road so they netted out 78 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:15,760 300 we still had 1/6 and that was in the good days when we had interest rates 79 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:24,020 right and so for from 2006 to 2010 it's slow it's a hard it's hard to spend 80 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:28,400 money on roads to be honest with you it takes a long time and so for a long time 81 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,320 there Denton County's RTR funds were generating about 4 million dollars in 82 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:39,600 interest payments per month so we built the DCTA train we built 35 we did all 83 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,720 the free roads we got Mayhill Bonnie Bray was a part of that project and those 84 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:52,480 dollars are allocated to counties by their percentage of how they generate 85 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:59,520 the revenue off the toll road 800 million of the 3.2 was divided up to the 86 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,360 counties by the number of toll tag users they have in their county so Collin and 87 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,520 Dallas can have the most of the toll tag users at the time so they got most of 88 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:14,920 the 800 million so those toll those dollars are called regional toll revenue 89 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:21,240 RTR and they're in the in the account in Austin but they're sub allocated to the 90 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,680 Dallas and Fort Worth district and then sub allocated in those districts to the 91 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:36,320 counties I did that with one breath it's just I'm just asking you to guess if you 92 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,200 don't know roughly how much money is in the account now for Denton so that is an 93 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,240 excellent question so in 2014 they stopped giving us updates because they 94 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:51,680 changed a new accounting system and so I've got documentation from Austin that 95 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:56,400 says there's 3 billion dollars in there still but they don't account for 96 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:03,520 encumbrances right so like we've got 10 million sitting on 377 in the Argyle 97 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,680 section they don't count that they they think it's still available but it's not 98 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:13,440 because it's encumbered the region thinks that Denton County has about 150 99 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,720 million plus or minus and the reason they don't know for sure is because when 100 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:24,800 we did I-35 from 635 to 380 Dallas County didn't participate they would had 101 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:30,020 nothing no skin in the game but Texas still needed to acquire right away in 102 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:36,320 the Dallas County area so Denton County lent text dot X amount of dollars and it 103 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:43,480 was in the millions to allocate those to those various areas for right away 104 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:49,040 acquisition with the intent is as they close those out because we would get 105 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,240 reimbursed those those dollars we lent them so that's taken a long time we got 106 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:59,840 a about a year and a half ago a tranche of about 200 million back and although I 107 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:04,600 can't see the accounting COG said I owed him 70 million for something and so I 108 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,160 got netted down to 130 but we're working on trying to figure out what that number 109 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:14,120 is but you get different numbers where you ask different people and last 110 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,320 question so that money can only be used to connect already existing funding 111 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:25,800 projects yeah if you get COGS permission you can use it for anything road related 112 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,960 really yeah but you got to go through the county the way it was set up back in 113 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,700 2006 Denton County was the local match requirement because there's a 20% local 114 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:41,280 match when you access these funds and so that initial tranche of about 700 115 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,560 million that went to all the cities the county was the local match on that and 116 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:51,640 what what the deal was back then was the can't we didn't want to have the county 117 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,240 that the time didn't want to have to because what they do in Dallas and 118 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,200 Collin County is any time they want to access the RTR funds they got to get a 119 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,200 committee of the whole within the county and they're great everybody fights right 120 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:10,520 and we wanted to thwart that so we just gave half the money to the cities up 121 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,040 front so do with it what you want back in the day that's how you got Mayhill and 122 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:20,560 Bonnie Bray and McKinney and then the rest was on system projects mostly so 123 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:26,800 the county was the driver on that so the county cog worked the process to 124 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,000 allocate RTR funds and I've already talked to the county on this since their 125 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,200 courthouse is right up the street they want this road fixed as well as much as 126 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,720 anybody does 127 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:54,600 any other questions in on this in this regard okay well I do want to say that I 128 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,120 didn't know we were going to get in all of that thank you for that because that 129 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:06,720 really get gave us a great educational opportunity to learn so much more thank 130 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,760 you for going into those details there's a there's just a not enough education 131 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,400 out there for our public to understand that you know how these things work 132 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,360 absolutely and when they're saying oh then is not doing anything didn't counties 133 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,640 always the last one you know there's a process out there so if that's going 134 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,200 through the toll roads we're upset about having to pay toll fees and all that 135 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:37,160 stuff but that's where the money comes from the more money the 121 was 136 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,040 basically the last new toll road that's going to be built in the region if there 137 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:47,080 is anything going forward it'll be it'll be told managed lanes and that is you 138 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,520 build your competition right next to it so you get to choose like I'm 35 if you 139 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,440 want to drive on the managed lanes you can if you don't you have a free access 140 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:03,280 free flow general purpose lane to use so the toll roads are a 2020 20th century 141 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,000 item from now on everything is going to be directed towards managing congestion 142 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,800 yeah well thank you so much I do want to go go back to a May Hill stay here on 143 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:21,040 May Hill I have a question in regards to the RTR fund and you know I don't even 144 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:27,080 have to ask that anymore but the question now becomes which entity will 145 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:35,600 be responsible for connecting May Hill to 35 so I've done it both ways we're 146 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:41,080 doing a project in Louisville where they're doing the 121 corporate 147 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:48,920 breakout job that's that you're fixing to see that pop there is a tie-in Texas 148 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Avenue which used to be on system but now it's off and we're funding that 149 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,280 separately with RTR funds because it wasn't cleared originally and TechStop 150 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,160 is going to build it with their big job because it's a billion dollar project so 151 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:08,240 adding 13 million dollars is spilled concrete so we don't know yet about 152 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:16,640 this segment okay and so the design you don't wouldn't know yeah the design will 153 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,280 be easy because it's just a connection we're not really we may widen but you 154 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,560 got a wide median there in the middle so we probably widen to the inside so all 155 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:33,960 those things are just now getting worked out but I'll talk to y'all your staff 156 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,120 and see what their feelings are about it you can get done quicker if y'all do it 157 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 but if not we'll just we'll try to put it in with the Mayhill job yeah that's 158 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,200 what I was kind of the question that I was alluding to as to you know who would 159 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,680 RTR doesn't require any environmental clearance like you do for the big jobs 160 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:56,000 they require a checklist where you just say no there's no no no no you send it 161 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:04,920 in and they go okay we believe you okay thank you all right thank you okay 35 W 162 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:12,480 frontage roads tech stock has scheduled a meeting with with ITS to talk about 163 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,440 their intent and desire to do a breakout on this beyond these projects because 164 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:23,800 they've got the about 288 million of the 430 they need and instead of waiting 165 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:29,240 until they get the rest of it they want to just start building breakouts and so 166 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:36,840 we are we're thinking that we're gonna do from 2449 South to 407 but leave out 167 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,920 certain parts of it that aren't either needed for development like the Cleveland 168 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,160 Gibbs we know it needs to be done but there's a there's another bridge 169 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,800 structure in there that we think we can pull out so when as soon as we get that 170 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,800 kind of roped up on what what the what the best management practices is for 171 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,360 that 288 we'll bring it to the committee say this is what text that's proposing 172 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:10,040 but it's all 407 north to 2449 so it's the segment y'all want let's go back to 173 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,720 that because I have one question it's man and so now also if you can determine 174 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:21,440 that there's some sections that could be left out because purchasing rights you 175 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,680 know things like that from the people that own that space and you all can't 176 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,960 predict how you know in 10 years 15 years you know how something like that 177 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:39,060 will work yeah so every year so text thought and the Commission has got this 178 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:44,280 program called from the Rio to the red six lanes right and they're talking 179 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:50,080 about I-35 so they're gonna have I-35 that's their goal is to push that's 180 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,360 why we've got so much money in the northern part 35 W is the last because I 181 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:03,560 just drove to San Antonio 35 W is the last segment to be six lanes so we 182 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,920 believe that every time we put a request in if they have the money they'll give 183 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,760 us additional funding so instead of waiting and incurring enough to do it 184 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,600 all at one time which we wouldn't do anyway because it's going to be 185 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,400 significant we're going to go ahead and start with the money we have so every 186 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:28,320 August we'll be able to come back to tell you what okay thank you okay so I 187 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,800 one of the bridges were taken out it's in that area where that it's just a 188 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,320 farmland where the guys got ability to get across to the interstate they were 189 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:44,600 gonna build a full-on interchange there and we said maybe but not today yeah okay 190 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,480 so you're this is the this is the project that's essentially done where 191 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,560 it's closing out we're just basically doing the cleanup work on it but they 192 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:02,600 added the six lanes from 288 to 377 raised median and the 10 foot shared use 193 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:12,360 paths to the green belt I will say that that road is the smoothest yes and the 194 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:17,800 good news is you'll start to see it when you go south of the lake they're doing a 195 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:24,160 resurfacing a 35 e what happens on these concrete roads is once they go to 196 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,480 resurface them they put asphalt on them and that's when you get a really smooth 197 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,560 run yes we have a question 198 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:41,560 June 199 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:50,120 that's the contract time frame I can get a specific day if you need it but it'll 200 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:57,360 be okay alright so the 28 West we just continue to push and bang on the design 201 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:04,320 for this project we are intending to do the northbound frontage roads in its 202 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,480 entirety as a first phase and with a great separation at 3/8 in the railroad 203 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,120 track at least we may have to add some more we got everything down here at 204 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:23,080 Underwood and John Payne John Payne John Payne worked out with y'all stir for a 205 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,520 plan we had to go back and do a little reevaluation on that but we got it all 206 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:34,520 taken care of so that's just plucking along okay we did have our breakout 207 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:41,760 meeting on the connector road I would say that counseling back was a very 208 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:47,080 attentive and information I'll let him characterize any feelings he has post 209 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:57,040 that but we we sat down with them went over chapter and verse and so I love how 210 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,680 y'all are staring at me yeah we go we had a we did have a breakout meeting and 211 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:07,640 and John and Scott spent a lot of time explaining the merits of various elements 212 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,760 of the proposal I tried to highlight things that I thought the public would 213 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,960 squeak about and and I don't know where we've come back from then but I do know 214 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,760 we're having a meeting in June 13 should be right yes that sounds right 215 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:33,880 you know there is so it'll be it'll be interesting to see the feedback I can 216 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:43,040 tell you just as an issue of feedback that the people don't you need me you 217 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,160 too need to highlight more whenever you're talking to people who's paying 218 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,640 for what and the cost of it right that changes people's perspectives a lot 219 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:59,960 right who gets to make the final decision well I mean both that but like 220 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,720 we were talking about having three separations of grade being an extra 50 221 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,880 million and people go they immediately stop at 50 million because that's it 222 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,680 that's an extra amount and they don't want to see Cassie put into the budget 223 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,400 right there's everything you can talk about everything you want to talk about 224 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:24,240 and we can walk the logic on you know what we do when we get to those 225 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:31,960 situations the program we've got takes into consideration your thoroughfare 226 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:40,800 plan and also something that we think we can actually get funded by the state so 227 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:49,200 I have a question on a project like any project okay let's use this project okay 228 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,520 it's specifically for this project I would say okay when what what when do 229 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,360 you come to the public and say okay public we have everything we need right 230 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:04,960 it's time to go and not necessarily based on the funding showing up because 231 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,840 everybody's not gonna be happy with anything ever at all correct how do you 232 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:15,120 how does how will this decision be made to say okay we have what we need we're 233 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,600 getting ready to build this road so when you see something that says public 234 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:25,260 meeting yes that's intent to actually gain information in order to make the 235 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:31,480 project better okay okay but when you see the next step being a public hearing 236 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,600 they're only there to hear the complaints and then they're gonna go 237 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,940 respond to the federal government on why we're not changing our plan so once the 238 00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:45,500 public hearing hits it's done and done so that's why I'm saying the public 239 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:50,720 meetings and the feedback we're getting from the stakeholders which essentially 240 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:57,840 in this case is Denton is critical to making sure that we get the best project 241 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:05,360 we can for you and still meet all the state requirements so how do you all 242 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:10,600 determine what's fluff and what's not fluff dr. Beck not fluff somebody else 243 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:16,080 don't spend my money that could be fluff so the typical comments we get from a 244 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,520 public meeting is is they either don't want the road they don't want to be 245 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,840 impacted by the road or they don't want the traffic right so we respond to those 246 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:30,120 in the meetings phases like though you saw those two or three other alternatives 247 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:36,000 that further out we eliminated those partially because of the comments we got 248 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,360 but the other part was that it was significantly higher cost than what a 249 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:47,000 connection road should be so the two things eliminated it the cost and the 250 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,560 fact that the public wasn't really supporting of going out that far and 251 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,800 damaging them with many property owners we were going to damage it a lot of 252 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,520 property owners so that's that's how the public meeting process works we hear 253 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,840 what you got to say we all come and meet together and we try to tweak it because 254 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,360 there's been a lot of tweaks one of the tweaks we did was we had the major 255 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:13,880 crossing at Kings Row yeah and Scott and his group pointed out some of the things 256 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,920 y'all have planned in that area that Windsor makes a better location because 257 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,920 it's for multiple reasons and the state agreed and so we tweaked the plans to 258 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:33,920 dominate predominance the Windsor and under under serve or whatever you want 259 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,320 to do reduce them the area at the Kings Row because there's not enough room for 260 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,120 both of them we can only have one and so that kind of feedback changed the 261 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:50,440 schematic and and the the cost part of it is is the counties paying for the 262 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,520 environmental clearance and the design and the schematic and all that so every 263 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,200 time we have to change it the county pays more for it and the reality is it 264 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,480 made good sense everybody said yes and so we make we're making a change and so 265 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:16,200 for you know the benefit of the public this is just a clear it's a very clear 266 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:23,160 notion I don't know the other word that it takes time so all of this stuff there 267 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,600 we're seeing right now the meetings and all of that this has been a years ago 268 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,160 project yeah so I tell people of time y'all heard it I think we can build 269 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,360 roads tomorrow if I didn't have to include you in the process violate your 270 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,480 property rights and not care about the environment but if we got to do those 271 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:48,880 things it takes time but where we are we're at a point where after this last 272 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,880 public meeting which I think this is going to be the last because we did make 273 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,080 significant changes from what they saw last time so we needed to come out and 274 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:02,240 say this is what we're thinking what say you are this is what you say well when 275 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,720 we tried to respond to what I don't know if this is good news or bad news for you 276 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:15,280 three yeah but the federal government doesn't look at individuals the federal 277 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,960 government looks at jurisdictions so if you've got a jurisdiction says we 278 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,560 support project a and I just literally had this happen I've been at a public 279 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:31,120 hearing where there were 1,300 people wearing red shirts said stop 2499 and we 280 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,680 were started at six and we didn't get done to four o'clock in the morning 281 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,120 because we want he had to hear from everybody and as long as Highland 282 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,560 Village and fly them out of the county so this is what we need to do the feds 283 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,920 didn't see the 1,300 people or the 4,000 comments that said they didn't want the 284 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,800 road they saw the jurisdiction there represents everybody saying this is what 285 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,160 we got to do so the feds are really going to look to the city and the 286 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:08,280 county to make a comment on the schematic and thank you Johnson when 287 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,360 you're talking hearing versus meeting what I'm hearing you say is that the 288 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,120 public has can have much more influence at the meeting perfect and less so at 289 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:22,200 the hearings that correct okay exactly right they got to change the name or 290 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,280 that last thing we're here to tell you no meeting that's what they should call 291 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:36,440 it we ain't changing reality we ain't changing all right thank you okay segment 292 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,640 seven is a part of the 288 job that we were just talking about we show it 293 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,120 separate for y'all because again y'all are y'all got it as segment seven but 294 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,800 it's part of the 288 job and we'll be built with the 288 job no city money 295 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,800 alright 1515 we're looking at still ready to let of summer of next year we're 296 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,960 working on utilities that's pretty much driving the boat on this project or the 297 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:11,000 utilities and we're fairly confident because of various sundry issues with 298 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360 this project we're fairly confident that we're going to be able to get the 34 299 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,680 million we need to build it got a question John I mean I don't know how 300 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,800 much I mean this is an industrial area I'm assuming it's very rich in in 301 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,840 subsurface utilities along that path yeah is that is that right I mean it's 302 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,800 complicated to do it or everything straightforward I mean everything's 303 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:44,600 complicated but I mean we listen this is like the 5700 time we've done it so it's 304 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:50,080 just the utility relocations take sometimes the longest time and they have 305 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:57,360 the most danger to the schedule because the state and the county and the city 306 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,480 city has more than the state and the county does swing with these franchise 307 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,120 utilities because they got better lobbyists right and the county can't 308 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,200 compete with them y'all issue franchise stuff so y'all can have some sway with 309 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,240 them but you typically if the utilities dig their heels in on something we got 310 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,280 to find a way around it because they they can't stop a project which is like 311 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:30,080 on the big big job for the merge on 35 we coordinated with everybody because 312 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,080 we're going to do what's called a utility bank where everybody's going in 313 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:40,160 generally the same area and we had to essentially order the priorities based 314 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,480 on City of Denton utilities out there because they were the biggest Kahuna 315 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,520 out there that we had to work around so it's just every every time is different 316 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,160 but yes we know what's out there and if we don't we find it with a backhoe well 317 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,720 okay so that was my follow-up question and that is I know that as we get 318 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:07,360 further back in time the the coordinates of the of the actual utility get worse 319 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:14,560 and worse right you know because we just we didn't GPS them back in the day or or 320 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280 we didn't write into the plans oh yeah we moved it three foot to the left right 321 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,080 they don't tell you contractor may take your plans and it may be off by foot but 322 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,320 when we're in an area where we really think that we need to have to have a 323 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:33,760 significant level of assurance we'll go out and do potholes potholes and we'll 324 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:41,840 try to find them physically before we finalize the design because some of 325 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,840 these projects have if they get screwed up in contract they're going to go hard 326 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,740 expensive on the state so doing a little bit upfront skull-duggery to find out 327 00:31:50,740 --> 00:32:03,720 where they are is beneficial okay 1173 from crumb over to 35 we are continuing 328 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,560 that project we met with crumb and there are some issues with some of their 329 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,640 historical stuff that we're going to work around that they told us what was 330 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,920 most important and so we're we've got everything in play for a February 25 let 331 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:30,880 and the part of the cost on this is that there's a ton of drainage issues right 332 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,080 as you get to crumb you kind of see that green area right here there's a lot of 333 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,720 there's a lot of drainage in here that's making the project more expensive that 334 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,840 you would think for a you know four mile road so we're working through that with 335 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,160 this one probably we want to go through about your engineering because it 336 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,440 shouldn't we got to figure out a way to get that cost down for you know 30 337 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:03,880 million a mile um that's what I had some issues with a railroad track so what 338 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:12,000 we're doing is okay sorry so what we're gonna have to do is we're not we're 339 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,960 gonna go at great at where it crosses what your old Barthold is but we're 340 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,840 gonna close the one here at 1173 so these people here will have like a 341 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,540 hammerhead u-turn and then these people will be able to come back and we're 342 00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:34,120 gonna build in a tie-in here so it's not gonna be not a little unlike Edwards 343 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,840 over here at Mayhill we're gonna have to come up and then tie into the signal if 344 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,680 you want to come back so we're that's gonna be part of this job so we're we're 345 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:52,320 switching at grades and so far the railroad hasn't balked but they usually 346 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,120 like to wait till right at the last minute to throw a wrench in the process 347 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:03,160 so we got plenty of time for them to screw it up so no questions we'll just 348 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:15,760 move right on it's the outer loop what do you want to know though no the alignments 349 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,600 that I got to see I don't I don't know if the rest of the committee got to see 350 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:25,800 them that we were down to four or five or whatever they were yeah my question 351 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:36,440 is when when are we gonna get closer to releasing these to the public I mean I 352 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,480 know you you like the not are not you but the workflow likes to not do it 353 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,760 until the final alignment and which is distasteful to everyone everybody wants 354 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,080 to see at least what the last couple of options are so we're getting close to 355 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:58,120 showing the the four or five and it's really it's not four or five because we 356 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:04,880 have to cross the green belt at 428 yeah right we have to tie in where Collin 357 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:12,120 counties built the road we're building a 1250 foot long bridge at Milam so we can 358 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,920 fit underneath there so we've got three points set so there's a couple of 359 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,320 alternatives three or four on the west side and two or three on the east side 360 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,240 but this is a this is an environmental impact statement so the public will be 361 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:32,200 able to see soon because we're looking if we're looking at summer 26 I'm 362 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:40,200 thinking sometime fall of next year there'll be two alternatives that we're 363 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:47,120 going to take through the full-on matrix of what's what the feds call a thorough 364 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,840 vetting of their environmental impacts so an EA you only take one but the feds 365 00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:00,160 require you to take two and we will have those two narrowed down probably by like 366 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,400 I say fall of next year and it comes from talking to to the stakeholders right 367 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:14,120 so in this case we've got Aubrey not so much Krugerville pilot point has a lot 368 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,680 right away a lot of city property that goes way south on 377 so they're a minor 369 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,840 stakeholder y'all are the big kahuna on this one in this area and the core so 370 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:32,920 we're talking about a 500 foot footprint except for when we cross the green belt 371 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,720 and it's 150 feet and what right now the core has told us to do is figure out a 372 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:43,200 way to stay in 150 feet and so we've come up with a dual deck system that 373 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:50,980 works but the other part of the core of engineers wants us to help them with 374 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:58,120 their flooding issues and so we may trade that effort for a little bit more 375 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,800 width on the green belt area if we need it but I don't think we'll need it so 376 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,960 we're going to be taking two through fall next year we'll be able to start 377 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:14,360 showing those to the public for comment right the meeting side and the public 378 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:21,040 involvement process for a EIS is double what it is for an EA so all the things 379 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:30,720 where you see what's doing with 288 we're gonna times to it for the outer loop once we get there this 380 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,520 is so exciting to me I think I just heard you say fall next year for public 381 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,560 meetings yeah so we've been having we will the county because the reason why 382 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,960 we wanted to do this document is we want to be significantly more attentive and 383 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,880 attuned to the needs of the local people so we're meeting one-offs with people 384 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,320 that have the land that call us hey we got a question so we'll meet with one 385 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,680 property owner if we have to and walk walk the dog on on if there is an 386 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,200 alignment that's shown on their property what the logic is so we have 387 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:14,440 constant constant flow meetings with property owners developers anytime y'all 388 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,120 want to anytime you don't want additional information we'll get LGA 389 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,520 here and we'll run you'll run it down with you but so we do the we do the 390 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,600 one-offs but the formal public meetings I think we're supposed to have four and 391 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:38,040 we've had one I think and I'll have to go back and check it was but maybe not 392 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,360 they all run together I'm doing the outer loop in Coppin and Rockwell County too 393 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:53,160 so I can't remember who's done what thank you you know is this our last one 394 00:38:53,160 --> 00:39:04,280 that's somebody else I just put it in here so y'all can yell out yeah I know 395 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:12,480 we just except we have right under it a water main break and I'm asking what 396 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,120 what's the relationship of this finishing with this water main break and 397 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,200 who's on the hook for it and who's on the hook for repairing the road I'm not 398 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:32,720 answering that yeah danger Kramer deputy director of operations we're still 399 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,240 looking into everything that happened what it looks like is it wasn't a 400 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:42,440 water main break looks like a drainage issue which pushed up so we're still 401 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,840 investigating it looks like some repairs were done in the area and we're still 402 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,160 trying to figure exactly what's happening so as we find out more we'll 403 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:59,720 let you know so I get no I appreciate that I guess it's in the direction of 404 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:05,640 who owns the road currently because we were in the midst of transitioning it 405 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,520 from the state to us so Eagle was always going to remain part of the state because 406 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:16,120 that connects 377 okay Elman Locust will be turned over to the city after they 407 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,320 are complete on that all right so we're gonna we're gonna 408 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,080 unfortunate not unfortunately we're going to maintain our lovely dance on 409 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:35,680 on that stretch of Eagle for okay correct because you've got 377 going 410 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:43,120 through your city so that is my last one I think you know it just so happens 411 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,880 that I'm a retired teacher and so I'm always in and we have it educated here 412 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:57,480 next to me it's always um this has probably been the most informative 413 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,800 meeting that I've been in not saying John this doesn't have anything to do 414 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,040 with you but what it does I was not talking about John I was talking about 415 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,600 the process yes but thank you so much for going in a bit of more detail you 416 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,360 know on some of these things and I'm just gonna say with that being said in 417 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:29,240 it I don't know how we're gonna get the public to just be more curious about you 418 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,760 know what's happening around here and what we're trying to do here what I'm 419 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,480 trying to do is to give them as much information as possible now that we're 420 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,880 in this big project up here on north of us that you were just talking about and 421 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,600 you'd go in in the detail as to how that's happening is that no one person 422 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,560 is just sitting around just making these decisions no you all are spending time 423 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,240 at this time speaking to people you're gonna get ready for these public 424 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,720 meetings and then at some point there's going to be some hearings and then we 425 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:07,880 can get started on that in that roadway and that's just gonna be years again a 426 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,360 years long years and years long project so thank you John 427 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:18,520 appreciate you and the questions too guys thank you all for asking some you 428 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,120 know if we need some information so thank you all right so we'll move on to 429 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:36,560 see MC 24 - 0 1 5 of our staff memorandums so we have a couple of items 430 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,000 on the staff memo for you the the bollard placement if you have any 431 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:51,000 questions on that Chandra and/or dr. but is available to answer do you want me 432 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,280 to go through each one of them and then take questions or how do you want I 433 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,120 don't know what do you all think okay uh let's just not do that for you know 434 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640 sick of time but we if there are any questions look like you had a question 435 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,600 yes sir so no I don't mind streamlining because we can just respond to the back 436 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:17,000 of materials but I guess pardon me I guess the reason I asked for this item 437 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:25,560 to be put on is to get a better understanding of what where we can use 438 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:32,720 them and I don't give an example and how we should use them in sort of and some 439 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,320 of the aesthetic complaints that we've had especially on Old North because it 440 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:49,200 doesn't actually match this description and and so yeah I see Scott so the this 441 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:57,720 this says hey we use these case 71 ballards any questions that's what that 442 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:03,120 says and I'm being a little harsh on it because it's thin and what I was trying 443 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,200 to get is guidance what's allowed I can go I can go read the the state 444 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,200 engineering and federal engineering manuals I was hoping not to I was hoping 445 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:18,600 to use your time to streamline and in particular the sort of not that we use 446 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:26,800 them but what are our options for places that we would use them and I think no 447 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,720 you no one's grousing about Parkway about Ector about other a little bit but 448 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,160 I mean I'm not hearing it anyway and and I think if you compare the ones that 449 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:45,360 have less grousing it is there can there were a consistent pattern of use and 450 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:52,000 replacement and and I'm trying to get to where where you know what where can we 451 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,800 use these things to fulfill that their mission on say something like an old 452 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,880 north and still and so that I was trying to get more information figure out what 453 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,480 more options what what our opportunities were and I'm being a little critical 454 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:18,720 because that's it yes ma'am I think our question I think our question is okay an 455 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,600 update you've given us an update and the update says we've made this decision 456 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,680 now when I say we I think that's the part that he's probably missing out of 457 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:37,000 this context is to we don't feel like you're talking about we us the people 458 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:45,240 that live you know in that area have you all done that particular kind of work to 459 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:56,360 satisfy this or you know we as a citizen take your expertise into knowing that 460 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:03,520 this type of product is best for us how does that correlate to what he's saying 461 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:10,040 okay good morning everyone Chandra city traffic engineer so mostly we use the 462 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,280 flexible bollards which is the case 71 type that we have for lane delineation 463 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,680 and separation between the motor vehicles and the pedestrians but to be 464 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:33,640 specific to answer councilmember may report him big it's it's only for like 465 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,720 pedestrian separations so far and those are retractable and it can take impacts 466 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:44,520 from trucks and it can stand back up and we don't use the metal ones or the 467 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,400 concrete ones that for federal buildings that for the safety of the building 468 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:56,360 itself and the contents inside so for other products we do not have in our 469 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:04,080 toolbox and we could explore more but so far case 71 has been the approved 470 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,560 devices that we use and have publications extensively that used in 471 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,840 other cities as well so if I can follow up what I'm hearing you ask and so I 472 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,320 want to clarify you're asking when we can be using them when more on the 473 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,160 planning process side for when we're thinking about putting in bollards not 474 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:33,600 necessarily the specific type that we're using or both so yes that but also I 475 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:39,880 think it's unclear what what our options are in different locations okay 476 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,400 cuz got everywhere I mean if we're if we're nailed down if we're using if we 477 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,080 make the executive decision to only use case everyone bought bollards just so 478 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:57,360 that's what we have in our warehouse as a supply and we're shoe warning seven 479 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,000 different kinds of uses in the case everyone's then that may be one of the 480 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:08,480 reasons that we you know there may or may not be happiness with it because it 481 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:17,040 fits better in certain circumstances than others and and I think as a request 482 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,720 for information so that we can provide policy recommendations it is more 483 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:29,360 understanding what the universe could go there and how well case 71 matches the 484 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,600 universe of options and whether that really is the best thing or whether we 485 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,920 should be looking at something else for given locations not we're not trying I'm 486 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,480 not trying to set the second guess that we only want to store he said he was in 487 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:47,760 our in our warehouse that it's an easy one it's cheap right but the if there's 488 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,360 locations where we want to recommend to counsel that we should go more or go 489 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,640 less then we need to know what the options are 490 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,280 I was gonna suggest we could probably put together an ISR for you and outline 491 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:15,480 the book provide more more information and then we can bring that back to the 492 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:27,760 next meeting I think part of what I'm hearing Brian say is is I guess you're 493 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,440 kind of looking for other options for Old North partially that maybe you're 494 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,720 more amenable to the neighborhood what I would advocate for is that we only use 495 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:42,120 the K 71s for bike ped delineation because when I bike on Old North and I'm 496 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,480 not driving biking in the parking lane people get really aggressive and it's 497 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,560 really scary and because they think it's a bike lane and it's not a bike lane it's 498 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,200 a parking lane you can bike in if it's empty but swerving in and out of cars is 499 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,200 very dangerous but people think it's a bike lane I've I've a lady threatened me 500 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,480 quite significantly one day nearly ran me over because I wasn't in the parking 501 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,400 lane where she thought I should be because she thought it was a bike lane so 502 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,640 I would definitely advocate for consistency of use for the K 71s but I 503 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:14,040 my understanding was these were placed on Old North basically as traffic calming 504 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,240 because people were using the parking lane to pass is what I think I recall so 505 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,800 I mean so it sounds like it sounds like we need to maybe experiment with some 506 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,960 alternative ways to prevent people from driving in the parking lane I would 507 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:35,160 advocate against using K 71s if it's not actually a bike or peddling anybody else 508 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:42,120 well it just so happens that I flew in from Denver Colorado yesterday and why 509 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:49,240 and I was there for four days and I mean I was totally obsessed with bike lanes 510 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:55,680 and parking I in and I was I think this was the first time that I was able to go 511 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:02,960 in and just kind of feel the city I was in all over the city and I was very 512 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,200 impressed and was trying to understand how they had all that laid out because I 513 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:14,000 can see the people biking and taking public transportation I could see that 514 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,400 it was so clearly evident and I was thinking about Susie the entire time that 515 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,280 I was there because it was just laid out in certain kind of way because you have 516 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,520 to have space for parking then biking and how they use some of those bus lanes 517 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,640 you know for certain things and narrowing the roads and maybe having some 518 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,780 over here I mean I was really really obsessed with it and taking it in so I 519 00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:45,160 do understand what Susie is saying in regards to using a particular type of 520 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:53,440 material for a particular reason and in the end educating the public on you know 521 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,560 and it's gonna take some time so you got a lot of work to do and plus there was 522 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:03,080 all of this lime green you know going everywhere and crosswalks they were all 523 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:08,840 lined out in colors so people could you know understand so I'm really looking 524 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,360 forward to our city trying to figure that out for us because our roads are 525 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,840 way different a lot of narrow and neighborhoods and stuff like that on 526 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,680 these new neighborhoods so it's gonna be interesting to see how we pull all of 527 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,280 that out sure thank you very much back here you're good okay thank you anything 528 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:39,960 else for any other section okay you had some I think Hickory Creek Road was on 529 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,320 here right I think I read that yesterday is that right it was on the project 530 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,240 update so the construction oh so that's the next thing update I can wait it's 531 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:57,240 mentioned in this memo at the bottom I've been getting questions about from 532 00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:01,320 people who live down there that notice it from at least what they're saying it 533 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,240 hasn't been touched in several months they were told that some things were 534 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,960 settling and I just looked on the website and looks like for the past three 535 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,480 months it's been settling and then the most recent thing I heard or here I saw 536 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,120 that it's the railroad so kind of where are we with that I see that they're 537 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,560 supposed to start moving again soon yeah so Seth Garcia deputy director of 538 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,100 capital projects so we are at a stall as John mentioned earlier the railroad can 539 00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:40,000 come in and throw a kink pretty quickly to derail a project so Kansas City 540 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,280 Southern sold out while we were working through our CM agreement for the 541 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,640 overpass at grade crossing Ben's laughing he knows so we've been going 542 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:55,520 back and forth quite a bit with them as well as with encore to provide power to 543 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,000 the existing lights and gates before we take the crossing out so we have the 544 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,280 agreement with encore done and they are currently getting temp power over to 545 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,040 power the lights and gates we're meeting with the railroad weekly trying to hash 546 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,040 out the terms of the CM agreement so once we get that in place we currently 547 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,840 kind of are at a standstill we also need to get the overpass agreement in place to 548 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,080 get a gas line moved out of the way as well so once those three things happen 549 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,040 which is kind of a perfect storm of things our contractor will be back out 550 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,600 there and we'll be able to take off with construction again and just out of 551 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,960 curiosity for future reference how long does it normally take for things to 552 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,800 settle typically so when you say settle this person called it pylons but 553 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,920 elsewhere I saw it called not a berry basically where the bridge is gonna sit 554 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:56,120 the supports gotcha yeah so it's varies by construction again that's that's not 555 00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:02,280 currently what we're waiting on is for any settling to happen or anything with 556 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,040 the abutments but yeah so so that's not currently the problem but again that 557 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,640 kind of varies based off the design what's the range typically ish I'm happy 558 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:21,320 yeah it's there's a huge I don't even know where to guess to be honest with 559 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:35,360 you okay yeah months to years okay yeah it's very variable thank you um looking 560 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:42,280 on the back of the side a question about Westgate this Westgate if you remember 561 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:48,720 off the top your head is Westgate behind schedule and or costing more than we 562 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:56,600 anticipated I know it's behind schedule what's the do we know why generally 563 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,200 speaking yeah so Seth Garcia again so currently we're at 90% plans we're 564 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,080 working with a couple property owners out there where we're gonna need to take 565 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,840 some right away and acquire it again kind of the grandiose so plan is have 566 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,400 Westgate and Bonnie Bray six going concurrently again we're adding 567 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,160 milestones in the Westgate contract to provide that east-west connection first 568 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:25,660 to be able to alleviate some of the high school traffic right now our biggest 569 00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:28,920 critical path is going to be the right away acquisition we're currently talking 570 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,480 with the property owner on multiple projects they're one that we deal with 571 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,520 quite frequently so I wouldn't say the design is necessarily behind but 572 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,480 currently the right away acquisition is not quite where we need it to be but 573 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,320 again we're trying to sync up the Bonnie Bray six the rainy road east and Westgate 574 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,960 all at one time to make sure we're coordinating those construction efforts 575 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:57,880 okay and obviously it's gonna cost more money than we anticipated to so looking 576 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,320 at current OPC sees the construction dollars as they John talked about earlier 577 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:09,040 we are continuing to see an increase in kind of construction costs I think the 578 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,880 biggest one is going to be the right away acquisition that we're dealing with 579 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,480 there not knowing where we're gonna land if we have to condemn of course prices 580 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,900 go up but again that's that's kind of the biggest variable cost that we have 581 00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,000 our eyes on right now 582 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:34,080 thanks thank you if I may I just have one other item on the Woodrow Lane and 583 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:40,640 more Street traffic signal so they did determine that traffic signal is 584 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:47,400 warranted at that intersection so we're gonna add it to a budget but it's still 585 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,720 not funding funded so it's gonna be funded dependent funding dependent on 586 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,240 whether when that will be actually constructed 587 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:14,440 and I agree it's needed because there's a hill when you're at that T you look to 588 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:28,400 the south I remember once upon a time and that hasn't been that long ago there 589 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:40,320 was a caution light for school crossing you remember being here that long to 590 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:46,560 remember a school crossing light at the time when Alexander Elementary School 591 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:54,000 was letting out they would have that light going for the kids and so I'm 592 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,240 coming back to the notion that there's a brand new apartment complex that it's 593 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,160 coming up over there on Woodrow and I do understand some families are gonna be 594 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,040 living there and I haven't done the homework I haven't even picked the phone 595 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,080 up to ask you know what the school's children would be going to will they go 596 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:20,080 to Alexander or are they going to Rivera so then they're going to have to cross 597 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:26,760 that road I'm just not sure that you know that conversation has been part of 598 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:33,560 the conversation yet I know I've asked about it maybe several months ago so and 599 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:40,120 then this is why the question of a light being at Morris and Woodrow the 600 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,900 necessity of that and us being able to get those kids over across the street 601 00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:49,160 because they're not gonna be busting no and I think we'll we'll do we'll do some 602 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,240 homework and get something reported back to you so just ultimately kind of what 603 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,840 that plan might look like near mid and long term okay so you'll get back to us 604 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:04,040 we're ready to speak on that okay then that one is very important to me that's 605 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:09,400 my little situation right there we've got to address that and they're coming 606 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:17,680 along with it and your concern is that not only do we need a crossing from the 607 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,520 apartment complex over by the old the old shelter but also not making those 608 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:31,400 kids walk down to this new proposed life to help us get that concern under so I'm 609 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,580 not gonna worry about it right now as long as I know that it's you know it's 610 01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:39,240 part of of that and how some of those people are driving more people and those 611 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,320 people are driving way more faster than I remember it ever being out there in 612 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,120 that area I agree I agree with the stoplight of my question is on the east 613 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:56,320 side of Woodrow next to obviously the city facility I assume that land is zone 614 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,600 light industrial any plans to I guess is that Tom Fouts name what they're gonna 615 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,520 do with that what's gonna come in the future the vacant lot next to a 616 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:11,800 facilities management I think it's for sale right now and I guess I'm 617 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:17,400 extrapolating here but I'm asking what might the future consequences yield if 618 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,940 we put a stoplight there given what's gonna come to that area and that when 619 01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:25,240 they sell that field I will accept I don't know I'm just talking out loud so 620 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:31,760 it's okay we'll make that determination as traffic warrants require that site 621 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:38,080 is proposed to be developed as light industrial okay okay all right that I 622 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,920 think the drive the drive may change there and that location may change where 623 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:48,080 that drive is at so just there may be some alignment but that'll be part of it 624 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:55,640 like Scott thank you for bringing that up because I was a question that I was 625 01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:09,000 gonna ask anybody else okay I do want to with including items anybody I have one 626 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:15,040 um Farhan would like to introduce some new staff members to everyone 627 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:34,480 morning chair committee members Farhan but deputy director of transportation 628 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:40,200 services division I am pleased to inform you that we had three vacant positions 629 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:48,760 one senior planner bike pad and ADA and that position has been filled we have 630 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:56,720 hired Gregory Scott Greg comes to us with 30 years of experience on bike pad 631 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:04,040 planning and has done a lot of projects all over US and he's also he's got 632 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:10,200 diverse experience on when it comes to ADA as well and has you know 633 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,880 participated in many processes and process developments when it comes to 634 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:20,480 ADA Greg is in the move right now he's moving from Portland which is Viking 635 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:28,320 heaven yeah and so he's he's hauling his stuff and then he's gonna be here 636 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:34,820 within I guess it's three to four days drive for him so he'll be here soon I'm 637 01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:40,240 assuming that by mid-june he'll be he'll be here in the city office and then I 638 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:47,440 would like to introduce Sahar Asfandyari Sahar has a PhD in urban planning and 639 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:53,080 she has several years of experience in transportation planning and also a 640 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,800 public engagement when it comes to comes to transportation projects she comes to 641 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:05,440 us from Plano and has is interested in planning processes here and then also 642 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:10,720 participating in many public engagement processes for various projects and then 643 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:18,040 we have Raqib Alam Raqib comes to us from Florida Lee County Florida and he 644 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,840 has a PhD in civil engineering and has several years of experience in 645 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:28,260 transportation planning and also traffic engineering his focus is development 646 01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:35,020 review processes and has also along with his publication dissertation his 647 01:04:35,020 --> 01:04:40,240 publication is on has several publications on data mining including 648 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:50,360 fusion with Python and and many other programming languages I think I think 649 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,980 Raqib's focus would be on development review and data mining and also he'll be 650 01:04:55,980 --> 01:05:02,200 helping us with traffic engineering data integrations as we go I'm hoping to 651 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:07,440 develop data integration process for for traffic operations as well and that's 652 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:19,240 where we are hoping that Raqib will be able to help us so now we know who now 653 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:39,800 we know who Brian is gonna be hanging out with every weekend when Gregory gets 654 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,640 here I want to go on the bike ride with you guys I know you go ask me on a bike 655 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:51,280 ride around the city I'm going to well I know I'm not gonna go but I will 656 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,320 support it bounce the prayers 657 01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:08,440 just a little bit I almost actually got on one of those let me tell you my 658 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,080 experience in Colorado was really thought-provoking because I've 659 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:19,960 literally almost I didn't really want to walk and I literally almost got on yes 660 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,960 and my daughter said well I'm gonna take the scooter and you can take then I'm 661 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,920 like and she was like for real mom you can do it and I just blew it off but I 662 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:36,440 made the walk I made the walk it was like a almost a mile we were going anyway 663 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:43,040 I don't want to spend any time so I'm gonna move on well the last thing that 664 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,680 I like to say and of course encourage each and every one of us in this room to 665 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,480 get more people to watch these meetings so they can become informed and educated 666 01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:02,320 to know that now we have our very own data mining person out there we are 667 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,720 considerate of their concerns so you all let's try to do that let's just try to 668 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,840 get more people to start watching at least this particular meeting because 669 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:17,060 infrastructure is very important yes sir are we doing other matrix items or when 670 01:07:17,060 --> 01:07:23,760 are you doing those I'm not sure what you mean other matrix oh I'm sorry yeah 671 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,440 you can stay basic here does anybody have any questions the comments and 672 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:35,680 concerns on any future apps that we have you yes sir so I was approached by the 673 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:43,920 folks in the new razor school district zone who do the bike bus Stephanie okay 674 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:51,640 what's her last name Brooks Brooks then and they would very much appreciate when 675 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:58,600 Scott when Greg Scott gets here helping map out a safe routes to the school kind 676 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:06,040 of destination pathing for the bike bus but pedestrian quarters in general I 677 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,200 mean I know that such a map there's already a plan for safe routes to the 678 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:15,820 school for every school but but this is a unique occurrence because of the bike 679 01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:21,880 bus situation and the fact that the school is new and they're in the throes 680 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:29,880 of planning pick up and drop off of cars and keeping the bike pit people separate 681 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,720 from the pickup and drop off people and and it is the perfect time to do this 682 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,640 this destination pathing and I think this is an easy win for mr. Scott like 683 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,260 really quickly he could probably solve this in a week so and work with the 684 01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:50,200 stakeholders so I'm gonna recommend that even if it's not a matrix item that you 685 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,760 at least get to that when he gets here give him an easy win and getting started 686 01:08:54,760 --> 01:09:04,960 rolling I'd like to propose that maybe in the next meeting or next two meetings 687 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:11,640 we begin to look at trip funds for DCTA next year previously I pitched for this 688 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,480 year's trip funds that we use them to purchase service from DCTA because 689 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:21,600 there's so many areas of our city that just do not have a DCTA bus service and 690 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:27,880 I'd like to revisit that for the 2025 trip funds thank you as in purchasing a 691 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:37,080 route yes okay cool question real quick John those funds you were talking about 692 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,480 those funds are for roadway projects or transportation related projects with the 693 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:51,120 toll funds transportation related projects so can we check on all of the 694 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,160 parameters that that whole money could be used for particularly I'm thinking 695 01:09:55,160 --> 01:10:01,160 about bus stops covered bus stops I know that in future phases for DCTA they're 696 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,480 planning that and I know that they're also planning on getting some of that 697 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:09,560 money from the cog what prevents us from asking the cog and not waiting for their 698 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,560 future phases so we can get this done a little bit sooner that's something you 699 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,320 can check on does that make sense we can check on it but I'm gonna tell you if 700 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:22,280 you already know that I mean DCTA gets sales tax money from all of the 701 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:27,640 participating cities so didn't alone is about 19 million dollars of their budget 702 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,480 so I would propose that they use their the funding that they have available 703 01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:35,800 and have set aside for bus stops but I thought they're just gonna get that's 704 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,640 where it comes that's where it comes from but they're they're just gonna get 705 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,280 it from the car right no they're there they get a portion of our sales tax so 706 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:50,480 anytime you shop and get in a portion of that sales tax funding goes to DCTA I 707 01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,840 seriously I guess I was under the incorrect assumption that they would not 708 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,840 use their money they would ask the cog for that money since it is a 709 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:09,040 transportation-related item and everything that goes along with bus stops what I'm 710 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:14,160 trying to figure out as a way and we cannot wait until phase four four years 711 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:22,320 from now that's all so and we're doing some work well we'll get back we'll get 712 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:34,200 back on that I did want to stay on that topic in using that money is this money 713 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:45,560 available like right now the RTR funding the DCTA funding the trip funding no 714 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,800 it's a trip funding the same as what the funding that he's talking about no 715 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,720 there's he's talking about RTR money and she's saying that there's money 19 716 01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,480 million dollars out there that's part of DCTA's budget that's their budget yes 717 01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:07,960 what is and are we asking them and we're not that's not RTA money so I mean 718 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:13,920 that's not true money um that's that's their money that they have that's set it 719 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:20,880 up and they're ready to be used so why are they not using it 720 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:30,880 right 721 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:42,240 okay so we're not posted for that but if you know I guess we were kind of going 722 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,120 down into a rabbit hole on here thank you for bringing that back that's your 723 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,840 job that's what you're supposed to do so I'll just leave it right there but I was 724 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:57,720 gonna say we're working on trying to get DCTA to come present at a upcoming 725 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,880 meeting we haven't been able to get our schedules aligned yet but I think those 726 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:07,320 are questions that you could very easily ask them okay when they present okay 727 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,640 well I thought I was just clarifying you know a certain thing but apparently that 728 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,040 took us somewhere else that we didn't need to go right now thank you all any 729 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:22,900 other questions anything else for matrix the matrix all right well I just want to 730 01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:28,120 and for concluding items and now we're in concluding items I wanted to just ask 731 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:36,920 the community to download that engaged didn't app it really does work I've seen 732 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:42,560 some things just happen just because of being put in so we're asking the public 733 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,040 to go ahead and just download the engaged in app and become a part of the 734 01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:53,120 community and keeping us great by turning in things the other thing is I 735 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:59,040 want the community to go out to that discuss didn't comm the city said that 736 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,160 they were transparent and letting us know what's going on and so you any 737 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:10,560 questions that you may have the answer may be there so start there anything 738 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,200 else in that regard if there's not anything else then we can conclude the 739 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:22,720 meeting at 1115 and thank you all for being here