WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.400 >> Okay. It's 9 o'clock and we have a call to order the City of Denton Public Utilities 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:15.240 Board meeting from Monday, May 20th, 2024. Nobody from the public has signed up to speak, 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.200 right? Okay. So that's the first item. On to the consent agenda. Does any board member 00:00:20.200 --> 00:00:26.760 wish to pull any items from A through G? I see none. Do we have a motion to approve the 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:46.320 consent agenda? Billy moves. Seconds? All in favor say aye. Aye. Bye. The next item 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:52.320 is consider approval of the May 6th, 2024 minutes. Does anybody have any changes or 00:00:52.320 --> 00:01:01.840 corrections? Thank you. And do we have a second? All in favor say aye. Aye. The next 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:07.120 two items we're going to call together, but we need to vote on them separately, so it's 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:23.840 the bond issues. I can get that down to the right normal height, right? Randy Klingle, 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:30.240 Treasury Manager, with a quick presentation for both items for this year's bond ordinance. 00:01:30.240 --> 00:01:33.600 For the Certificates of Obligation, we are required to do Notice of Intent, which y'all 00:01:33.600 --> 00:01:39.360 have already reviewed and went to Council on April 2nd. We posted those notifications 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:44.680 in the Denton Record Chronicle on April 11th and April 18th, as required, two times in 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:49.640 the consecutive weeks. And we also need to do the bond ordinance that we have in front 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:54.080 of you today to Council within 46 days of that April 11th date, which we will be doing 00:01:54.080 --> 00:02:00.040 that in June with your recommendation today. So most of my slides are the remaining project 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.960 list, which you also have in your backup, and those are the same items that y'all sell 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:08.400 through the budget process. I will not be going into details, but we do have staff available 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:14.400 in case you have any questions on those projects that are ongoing with debt funding. First we 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.720 have solid waste, and all of these will show you two columns, the Notice of Intent, which 00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:23.480 we did in April, and then the bond sale items total as well. And you will see very little 00:02:23.480 --> 00:02:27.480 movement at this point in the game when we are doing the bond sale. For solid waste, 00:02:27.480 --> 00:02:35.240 we stayed at the $4.1 million. The utility projects for the water fund, we remained also 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:45.040 at their $60 million from Notice of Intent to the bond sale. Wastewater as well, $55.9 00:02:45.040 --> 00:02:52.720 million for their bond sale project list. Electric stayed consistent as well at their 00:02:52.720 --> 00:02:58.360 $60 million from the Notice of Intent. So in total you'll have your solid waste at the 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:09.040 $4.1 million, all of your utilities for a total of $180,330,698 in project money only. 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:13.240 We also will have a refunding due to utilities being a part of the refunding process that 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:18.960 will flow into the GEO cell. So we are going to refund the 2014 series, both the GEO and 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:26.560 the CEOs, in $62.9 million par, with a potential refund of $1.6 million. And you'll see where 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:32.760 it's broken out in those funds below, between general fund, airport, solid waste, water, 00:03:32.760 --> 00:03:39.600 wastewater and electric to bring up to the $1.6 million. So our 2024 bond sale will total 00:03:39.600 --> 00:03:49.200 $262,330,000 with all things included. So my next step with your recommendation, I'll 00:03:49.200 --> 00:03:53.720 go to Council to execute this bond ordinance. We'll have a sale on June 12th and then we'll 00:03:53.720 --> 00:03:59.200 actually receive the proceeds from the sale July 17th. Any questions? Questions? 00:03:59.200 --> 00:04:09.720 I have a question. Go ahead, Lee. Oh, it's already here. Go ahead. 00:04:09.720 --> 00:04:15.880 On electric, what's your current ordinance? How does the ordinance treat new construction 00:04:15.880 --> 00:04:24.600 on the developer's cost for connection of the distribution? 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:31.880 Yeah, so our line extension policy, if you're in our single certified area, you pay 100%. 00:04:31.880 --> 00:04:36.800 If you're in a dual or triple certified area where we're competing for development, it 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:41.160 is a negotiation process. And so normally developers are required, if they've gotten 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:46.760 a quote from Encore co-serve, to share that with us and then we either match it or beat 00:04:46.760 --> 00:04:54.400 it to get them to choose the municipal electric. But we look at a five to 10 year payback on 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:58.560 any investments that we make in those areas. And so if it makes sense financially, then 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.240 we'll go ahead and submit that proposal. And that's only considered in the triple or 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:07.320 double certified? That's correct. You may recall DME for a 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:12.720 long time would do the first 300 linear feet within the single certified area. There was 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:18.880 really no rhyme or reason to that. And from our standpoint, they have to choose DME and 00:05:18.880 --> 00:05:24.640 so it didn't make sense for us to be offering that on top of other incentives that the city 00:05:24.640 --> 00:05:28.040 was already offering. Well, there was a reason for it and the reason 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:33.160 was to promote development in the city of Bitten. But that's not really a problem anymore. 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:45.520 That's correct. So does the developer have the option to 00:05:45.520 --> 00:05:52.200 put competitive bids out for that action? To buy the equipment and lay the lines in? 00:05:52.200 --> 00:05:58.480 Yeah, I think we've had a couple opportunities where we have worked out some deals with some 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.160 developers if they're able to get equipment faster than we are. But again, it's kind of 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:07.680 on a case by case basis. I'll just point out that in many of the developments that were 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:15.320 happening in the city, that 300 foot per linear foot was basically paying 100% of everything. 00:06:15.320 --> 00:06:18.720 And so that was one of the reasons why we looked at it a little bit closer. 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:23.760 Okay. I'm just curious how things have changed. Thank you. 00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:31.080 I have an informational question. So when you opened this presentation about the COs, 00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:34.080 that's the certificates of obligation? Yes, sir. 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:39.760 Okay. So at some point, we actually issue bonds or those general obligation bonds, so 00:06:39.760 --> 00:06:45.480 CO, GEO. Right. We are issuing GONCOs this summer sale, but the purview of this organ 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:50.360 is your board, excuse me, is the certificates of obligation. The GOS will be based on the 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.240 2019 and 2023 bond program that were voted by the citizens. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.920 Okay. So they are sort of two different things, one, but one follows the other. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:06.040 Right. Well, solid waste is kind of included in the general government side, but we consider 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:11.080 it a utility here at the city. So it comes to you guys with all the other three utilities. 00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:19.120 Okay. Thank you, sir. Just sitting up. Okay. Any other questions? All right. Do we have 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:26.240 a motion to approve the first one? PUB24090 for 151,660,000. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.000 So moved. Thank you. Second. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:37.200 All in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay. And then PUB24091 for 262,330,000. 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:44.040 I move approval for that. Thank you, Billy. And do we have a second? 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.320 Seven seconds. All in favor, say aye. 00:07:47.320 --> 00:07:54.360 Aye. Thank you. All right. Management reports. 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:58.920 So Madam Chair, members of the PUB, the first time just to cover real quick is the future 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.880 agenda items. We did initially have on this schedule to make some budget presentations, 00:08:05.880 --> 00:08:10.880 made the decision kind of late after we had put this together to move that. And so that 00:08:10.880 --> 00:08:14.920 actually come to you I think on the 10th will be the first one and then it'll be a series 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:21.680 of presentations then. And so other than that, there's really no other changes to that item. 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:26.560 And then we have the new business action item. We still have the one item that we've been 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.840 carrying out for a while. But I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. I do have 00:08:30.840 --> 00:08:35.120 one other item after we -- after you have any questions or not, so. 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:41.640 Any questions? All right. Okay. I'm going to go up to the dais 00:08:41.640 --> 00:08:55.280 for that one and just wait for Cassie. All right. So just really quick, you know, this 00:08:55.280 --> 00:08:59.600 is one of those opportunities that we get from time to time to recognize some of these 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:05.640 employees that have been doing fantastic work kind of behind the scenes. And so I'm going 00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:10.960 to ask Kim to come up here real quick. I know Kim, I always like to not be in the limelight, 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:16.440 so I'm going to ask her to come up here real quick. You know, Kim's been a long-term city 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:23.040 employee and has overseen the PUB for many, many years. For those of you that may or may 00:09:23.040 --> 00:09:27.840 not know, Kim has notified us that she plans to retire. She still hasn't quite given us 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:33.480 a date. And so over the last couple of months and weeks, we've been working on a transition. 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.760 And so you may have seen Cassie Blackburn back here. And so Kim's been working with 00:09:37.760 --> 00:09:43.400 Cassie to, you know, by mentoring her and doing a transition. And so we just want to 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:50.360 recognize her today for what she's meant, not just to this board, but certainly to the 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.140 city and certainly to city staff. And so on behalf of Stephen Gay, Brian Borner, Michael 00:09:56.140 --> 00:10:00.080 Gagne, who's not here today, and myself, you know, the department heads for the utilities 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:05.580 which she supports, we just want to present her with a gift and tell her we thank her 00:10:05.580 --> 00:10:11.640 for all her work. I'll tell you, she has saved many of us many, many times, right? And trying 00:10:11.640 --> 00:10:17.440 to get items put together and submitted on time and making sure that everything is up 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:22.600 to par and ready for you, right, to be able to review the information and be able to make 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:28.120 decisions on behalf of our community. And so again, she's one of these unsung heroes. 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.040 We all love her to death and think she's fantastic. We certainly didn't look forward. I didn't 00:10:33.040 --> 00:10:39.520 look forward to this, but I think it's a good opportunity for us to recognize her today. 00:10:39.520 --> 00:10:43.900 And so I just want to, on behalf of us, just thank her for everything she's done. Kim, 00:10:43.900 --> 00:10:54.400 thank you. Thank you, Kim. I have loved PUB. I have loved it from when Billy was on it 00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:59.960 the first time. This has been really important to me and I'm so glad I was able to do this 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:04.440 for so many years. It's been really important to me and I have a great, a great boss that 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:09.040 lets me do the things that I love to do. So thank you. We appreciate everything you've 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:18.680 done, Kim. Thanks for the calls on Sunday asking me if I'm going to be there tomorrow. 00:11:18.680 --> 00:11:22.880 All right. Then we're on to concluding items. Does any board member wish to have a future 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:29.320 agenda item or say anything to the public? Okay. Seeing none, we'll go into our work 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:40.760 session regarding the redevelopment of the closed Mosley Road landfill. That was a hard 00:11:40.760 --> 00:11:45.720 act to follow. So yeah, I will do my best. Again, Kim, thank you very much for all your 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:52.860 hard work and support of the PUB. But today I'm here to talk about some proposed redevelopment 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:58.880 of the Mosley Road landfill. A couple months ago, City of Dent received a letter from the 00:11:58.880 --> 00:12:04.520 town of Crossroads requesting a long-term lease on the Mosley Road landfill. Basically, 00:12:04.520 --> 00:12:10.240 they want to create a city type park and I'll talk a little bit about the Mosley Road landfill, 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.880 what it is, why we have it there. But before we made the decision to say, yeah, let's go 00:12:13.880 --> 00:12:18.200 ahead and long-term lease as we wanted to really float our options out there and really 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.360 see what the PUB and council had to say about what we're proposing here. So with that, I 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.120 want to take a few minutes here to talk a little bit about the Mosley Road landfill, 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.440 delineate some of the regulatory requirements that we would need to address as either releasing, 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.840 selling, whatever, renting the facility, examine some of these repurposing options, and then 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:43.240 hold a discussion, receive direction regarding those options that we have. For those of you 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:47.240 who'd be on the PUB more than a minute, you've probably seen part of this presentation before, 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:55.280 so I apologize for that. But we are solid waste. We like to recycle. So the Mosley Road landfill 00:12:55.280 --> 00:13:00.240 is really, it's the third landfill that the city didn't ever had. I can tell you where 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.000 one of the other ones was, and for the life of me right now, I can't remember where the 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.600 first one was. So we'll talk more on that after the meeting if you'd like. But it's 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.360 approximately, yes, sir? 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:14.080 Just a quick question for my reference. Where is the town of Crossrookers? 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:22.760 Basically, it's the intersection of 377 and 380 as you're going east on 380. So you cross 00:13:22.760 --> 00:13:29.520 over the bridge, you get to the discount tire, you get to the 711, you go under the bridge, 00:13:29.520 --> 00:13:36.880 you're airing into Crossroads at that port. So the site itself is about 74 acres. Forty 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:43.480 of it was actually used as disposal. The remaining 35-ish acres was actually used to mine soil 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:50.120 or borrow to cover the trash as it was put in. You'll notice that the solid waste permit 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:56.720 was number 13. Currently, our permit is 1590. So there's been a lot of landfills permitted 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.160 since this is one of the very first landfills that was permitted in the state of Texas. 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:05.120 And we actually operated as a regulated facility but unpermitted through the Department of 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:12.280 Health prior to that. It was just in 74. That's when the state started permitting these things. 00:14:12.280 --> 00:14:20.100 So we've actually had this site since about 1960. The site closed in 1984. It has completed 00:14:20.100 --> 00:14:25.480 post-closure monitoring. So really, all we're doing right now is maintaining the site. A 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:30.520 couple of months ago, we approved some erosion control and water drainage work that we're 00:14:30.520 --> 00:14:36.000 currently working on right now. It's actually located in Denton County proper. It's bounded 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:40.800 on the north, east, and west sides by the town of Crossroads, but it is not located 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:47.560 in Crossroads nor in their ETJ. The town of Crossroads made a conscious decision not to 00:14:47.560 --> 00:14:53.480 include it in their ETJ for purposes. And again, this was in service from about 1975 00:14:53.480 --> 00:15:00.400 to 1985. Just to give you a quick understanding where the location is, these two roads that 00:15:00.400 --> 00:15:05.960 run north and south, this is Mosley Road, this is Tips Road, or excuse me, Potter Shop 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:14.840 Road, Tips Road, and we have the property that's right in here. So when you look at the facility, 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:20.960 this is about 74 acres. Forty of it is disposal property, and then the rest of this is just 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:27.200 bare land that we have scraped soil from and mined. It's actually a very nice piece. If 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.320 you didn't know it was a landfill, you'd think it was this nice wooded hill and grass. 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:37.720 We found deer antlers and all sorts of wild animals out there. It's a very good nature 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:42.840 area, but again, it's just on that south area of Crossroads. It's growing, so I think there 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:46.120 are some opportunities. I understand why the town of Crossroads would like to use it for 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:51.000 recreational facility, but again, there's some other options that we've looked at. About 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:56.580 three years ago, we brought this forward to, we talked with Gary Pack and our parks director 00:15:56.580 --> 00:16:02.520 about possibly creating a biking facility out here. At that point, the council decided 00:16:02.520 --> 00:16:07.480 that it was basically too far from the city of Denton and too far spread out and excluded 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:12.120 given that it's on the other side of Lake Louisville. So it really didn't meet the 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:18.000 recreational needs of the Denton County or the city of Denton residents. So it's been 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:25.600 laying fallow since that time, but again, it's time for us to look at this option again. 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.480 Regulatory requirements. We are bound to do what our permit says, but also what state 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:34.840 law says. Even though this is a closed facility, the permit has been rescinded because it is 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:42.600 a former landfill site. 30 TAC, chapter 330, what we call the sub-chapter T rules, they 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:49.160 do regulate what can and cannot be done on top of closed landfills. It allows limited 00:16:49.160 --> 00:16:54.920 commercial recreational use. It prohibits residential uses. It prohibits penetrations 00:16:54.920 --> 00:17:00.380 of the landfill cap. It doesn't allow you to do certain things in building closures, 00:17:00.380 --> 00:17:06.220 but again, you know, the things you can't do are very minor. What you can do, it really 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:13.400 opens up a lot of things, especially from an open space standpoint. Any onsite operations 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:17.480 must protect and support the maintenance of the existing area of the proof cap. And again, 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:22.960 if we chose to sell this property, we have to give notice that this is a closed landfill 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:29.440 and any development must be in compliance with sub-chapter T. From a repurposing standpoint, 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.200 we could maintain ownership, really do nothing with it. We've been doing nothing with it 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.760 for 84 years except investing a little bit of money to maintain it, and you know, and 00:17:37.760 --> 00:17:42.600 that's good. Or we could, you know, do some recreational use, but again, you know, it's 00:17:42.600 --> 00:17:46.700 a little far away from city of Denton. We could look at creating an energy park, some 00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:51.240 sort of hybrid multi-use. We could look at selling the property right now. Again, you 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:57.400 know, there are about 30, 35 acres of that that are unaffected by the landfill, which 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:05.980 could prove to be, you know, enticing to some developer. But then also, you know, somebody 00:18:05.980 --> 00:18:09.800 may want to rent or lease the property, too, at some point in time. So from a due diligence 00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:15.480 standpoint, we need to look through all these options. As I said, the city of, or the town 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:23.400 of Crossroads has reached out to us. They do want to invest and enter into a long-term 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:28.320 lease with us to develop some recreational use for the residents and the citizens of 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:34.060 Crossroads. This would have to be a market value lease. There could be some offsets based 00:18:34.060 --> 00:18:38.200 on maintenance or other investments they could make, but again, they would have to make that 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.720 agreement. But what we would ask to do is complete our due diligence related to the 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:46.840 potential sale lease or rental of the closed landfill, and then go ahead and contact the 00:18:46.840 --> 00:18:52.480 town of Crossroads and continue finding out exactly what their wanting needs are and see 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.080 if we can come to a meeting of the minds, and if we can't, take that next step and 00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:00.440 take it out onto the open markets. So with that, I'd like to answer any questions you 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:05.160 might have, see any discussion, get what kind of direction you might have on this. 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.320 I see Mr. Rybeck's pushing his green button. Go ahead. 00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:14.240 Yes. I have a question. So when I originally saw this item, I thought it meant that you 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:20.280 were considering reopening the site because of the problems we have with the landfill 00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:25.400 we currently are using is getting pretty full and trying to properly develop that property 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.560 itself. So I thought, oh, I can go back and use this, but that doesn't appear to be one 00:19:30.560 --> 00:19:34.360 of the options. No. One of the reasons that the landfill is 00:19:34.360 --> 00:19:39.160 closed right now, first of all, it is a very old landfill. It's what's called a pre-subtitle 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:44.480 D, and in order for us to bring it up to compliance, it would be very expensive. But secondarily, 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.320 as part of the closure, we made the commitment to the town of Crossroads that we would not 00:19:47.320 --> 00:19:54.980 reopen it. And from an existing landfill standpoint, we've only used about 22% of the capacity 00:19:54.980 --> 00:20:00.840 we have permitted currently in our facility. So I don't want anybody to misunderstand this. 00:20:00.840 --> 00:20:05.720 We will never have plenty of landfill space, but right now we're okay. 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:11.200 All right. It was interesting when I read the item and looking at the agenda, I thought 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:16.360 it meant you were looking to reuse the space to help with the congestion, if you will. 00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:22.160 No, this is just an outpost that we own, that we invest a little bit of dollars in, and 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.080 I just want to see if there's a better use for it. 00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:31.600 Go ahead. With a sales agreement, is it possible under 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:37.920 the ordinance that we're compelled to follow to transfer any of our obligations over to 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.880 the buyer? When you say obligations. 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:48.280 What we are obligated to do under the landfill ordinance or whatever? 00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:54.080 Yes and no. In most environmental law, and again, I'm no lawyer nor do I claim to be, 00:20:54.080 --> 00:20:58.880 but I've got 30 more experience, so I've trained a lot of lawyers in environmental 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:04.920 law. But one of the things that we understand is there's this concept of cradle to grave. 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.920 You're responsible for it from the minute you put it there until the end of life and 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:14.720 beyond. So we are never out of that chain of title. We are always responsible for something. 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:21.320 However, in this, we can say any maintenance to the cap, any mowing, any improvements as 00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:26.000 far as drainage, blah, blah, blah, that is the responsibility of the lessee. And if we 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:31.080 find that needs to happen, then we'll make notice to you and you shall, for a performance 00:21:31.080 --> 00:21:34.840 standpoint, you shall make those improvements within 40 or 60 days or whatever that time 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:39.720 is. So yes, some of those minor maintenance is, but at the end of the day, if there's 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.680 a long-term environmental issue, we're still on the hook. 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.200 So basically, if it's not been disclosed or we didn't know what's there, which I'm 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:52.320 sure sometimes is the case. Yeah. I said sometimes is the case. Sometimes, yes. Most of the time 00:21:52.320 --> 00:21:56.960 is the case. Then that part's just always the question. It will always be a question. 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:01.520 That is correct. But given the age of this landfill and knowing what Denton County was 00:22:01.520 --> 00:22:07.260 like back in the '60s through the '80s, we've got a very fairly good understanding of what 00:22:07.260 --> 00:22:14.920 went into the facility. It's not some massive hazard that we're anticipating being at the 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.600 site. It's standard household trash and a few other odds and ends. 00:22:18.600 --> 00:22:23.200 You're making a lot of construction debris. A lot of construction debris. Correct. Correct. 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:40.240 That's all I got. Your turn. Go ahead. Thank you. I think I share some of Mr. Cheek's concern. 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:48.840 So we have a permanent responsibility for the landfill portion of this. I would love 00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:59.240 to see this in its best use and the idea of leasing for recreation or selling the peripheral 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:05.680 areas that do not have landfill under them. All those seem like interesting ideas or the 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:14.640 energy park, a city use that's more than mowing it once a year or something like that. But 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:20.320 I just want to make sure that whatever option is considered, that we consider our permanent 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:24.840 responsibility to the property there. That is first and foremost on our mind. 00:23:24.840 --> 00:23:29.040 Whatever we do will be in the best interest both from a fiscal standpoint as well as a 00:23:29.040 --> 00:23:36.800 risk standpoint to the City of Denton. I could see options of selling it, but I 00:23:36.800 --> 00:23:44.560 see that you never know if we sell it, who is going to own it 10 or 50 years from now. 00:23:44.560 --> 00:23:49.940 So I think my biggest concern would be long-term leases for any number of uses, even something 00:23:49.940 --> 00:23:57.040 like a development, but selling it to another city who then might sell it for another purpose 00:23:57.040 --> 00:24:04.160 or selling it to a developer. I think all of those open kind of risk in the future where 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.880 if we have a lease, we can have terms in the lease of, like you said, maintenance, 60, 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:13.120 90 days to remediate. So I think that would be my biggest concern would be an outright 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:14.680 sale. Thank you. 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.720 But my understanding is even if we did sell it and I'm not in favor of that, they still 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.360 have to follow the law. 00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:21.360 Correct. 00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:22.360 So. 00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:23.360 Correct. 00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:24.360 And so do we. 00:24:24.360 --> 00:24:25.360 And so do we. And we would. 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:30.200 I trust us to follow the law more than I trust somebody else. 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.200 I understand. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:37.320 All right. Well, based on this discussion, I will continue down the road of talking with 00:24:37.320 --> 00:24:40.880 the town of Crossroads and then looking at other options to that fall through. 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:41.880 Okay. 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.880 Okay. 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:43.880 Thank you so much for your time today. 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:44.880 Thank you. 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:45.880 All right. That is our agenda. 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:46.880 Do you want us to? 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:47.880 So, Mr. Chief, would you like to move to. 00:24:47.880 --> 00:25:04.000 I would like to thank Kim and tell her how much I enjoyed working with her all these 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:10.640 years and getting, like I said, a lot of contacts on weekends. 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:11.640 Yeah. 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:16.640 You know, Cassie's been contacting me lately, but I think that's you're getting used to 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:17.640 this role. 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.640 But Kim has always done that. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:23.000 And I really appreciate the fact that over and above and okay, it's six o'clock on a 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.000 Sunday morning. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.320 But yeah, well, I'll get this done today. 00:25:26.320 --> 00:25:30.280 Hopefully, hopefully you got paid for those hours you were working that weekend. 00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:32.400 So anyway, you've been great. 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:38.040 I enjoyed being around you now that we can actually be personal friends. 00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:39.040 That's great. 00:25:39.040 --> 00:25:40.040 You know, you know. 00:25:40.040 --> 00:25:42.280 So anyway, thanks a lot. 00:25:42.280 --> 00:25:46.440 And back in the day when you had to run the agendas out to us, and I know that was a drive 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:47.440 for you. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.800 So yeah, back in the day, boy, that sounds old, doesn't it? 00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:52.800 All right. 00:25:52.800 --> 00:25:57.120 Well, I would like to add my comments. 00:25:57.120 --> 00:26:01.120 I don't have any back in the day, but I sincerely appreciate all of your help in the time I've 00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:02.120 been on the board. 00:26:02.120 --> 00:26:03.120 Thank you. 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:04.480 Keeps us out of trouble. 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:05.480 All right. 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.720 So that was a motion to adjourn. 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:09.720 We're adjourned. 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:10.720 925. 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:11.720 All right. 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:12.960 We could sit here.