Apr 08, 2024 Public Utilities Board on 2024-04-08 9:00 AM

We're going to open the City of Denton meeting agenda for the Public Utility Board meeting of Monday, April 8th, 2024. It is 9 a.m., and we are going to start. Are there any members from the public? Did anybody sign up to speak on any items? Okay. We will move on into our regular meeting. It is Eclipse Day. Great note. We're going into the Consent Agenda. Would anybody like to pull any items from the Consent Agenda? Well, I'd like to pull item A. Okay, if there are no other items to be pulled, then we will entertain a vote on items B, C, and D. So moved. There's a motion, and a second from Lee. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? None. Okay. It passes unanimously. Item A. Good morning. Good morning. Trevor Crane, Director of Capital Projects. Okay. So we went for -- we started out with a 1.6. Is that correct? That sounds correct. Yes, sir. Okay. And now we're going to 2.8. Sure. So this is for the Pecan Creek 3 and 4 project. Older project was designed to about 90 percent, and then it was included as a part of the 2023 bond. So this amount is to bring those plans up to speed from the last time they were touched, which was probably two to three years ago. Bring them up to speed, include all the drainage studies that have to be done, and then bring those plans up to 100 percent so that we can move to construction. Where is this under our budget? Was it approved under our budget? It was included as a part of the 2023 bond, so that number that's being approved now was a part of the money that was included in that number that got approved by the bond. Do you recall what that number was? I don't remember off the top of my head, but if you give me a few minutes, I'll let you know before I leave. Okay. I have a question, Mr. Chairman. Well, just from my information, the bond isn't paying for this engineering and design work. Is it separate, or are we just approving its expenditure under the bond, or requesting the council to do so? So the number that's being approved now was a part of the total number that was approved as a part of the bond. So we included this piece that would bring us up to 100 percent, and then have construction plans ready to go. But this money is coming from the bond. Correct. It's not coming from some other-- Yes. --PUB budget. No, it's coming from the 2023 bond. Okay. All right, so yeah, that was my only question was, I mean, I understand that it's been sitting on the shelf for a little bit, and we're getting back to it, right? Yes, sir. That's basically where we are, and so I realize that we are running over budget on a lot of items due to the general economy. Just the nature of it. Yes, sir. In the business. Yes. Okay. Well, I'll move on from there and move for approval. Thank you. Thank you, Trevor. Mr. Chairman, do you have a second? Yep. Okay. Got a second from Lee. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. There are none. Passes unanimously. Thank you. Individual consideration. Consider approval of the minutes for March 25, '24. Anyone? So moved by Mr. Pluck. There's a second. Minutes. Can I get a second? Oh, do you need a second? I need a second. I got a second from Rob. Thank you. Fixing to get medieval. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. None opposed. All right. Item B for individual consideration. Consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the City of Dinton, Texas Home Rule Corporation, amending the city's water conservation and drought contingency plan previously adopted by the City Council on Ordinance Number 19-863, enacted on April 16, 2019, providing an effective date. Hey, good morning, y'all. My name is Haley Salazar. I'm here with Denton Water Utilities to provide an overview on the updates we've done for our drought conservation, our drought contingency and water conservation plan. So as y'all know, water security is very possible in Texas, but we do have to work a little bit harder than some other places. Thankfully, though, we have a lot of support from the Texas Water Development Board, as well as the TCEQ, or the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, and one of the ways they support us is they enforce that utilities such as ours or other water providers maintain a water conservation and drought contingency plan. This is a document, and it's a little confusing the way it's named. It's called the Water Conservation Plan, but it actually is comprised of both our conservation plan, which is the everyday way we utilize water efficiently in our operations, as well as our end-users. It also contains our drought contingency plan that details the way we're going to use water in the event that water security is somewhat compromised due to weather events, drought, and whatnot. So we do have to update this document every five years. They like us to kind of look at it and modernize it and make sure that it's up to date. And so this is what we're doing right now. We put an informal staff report out last Friday. We're here today. We'll be going to council on the 16th, and all of these steps are to get us to our end goal of submitting our update by the 1st of May to the TCEQ and the Texas Water Development Board. We have thoroughly reviewed the documents, and in just a little bit, I'll kind of go into what that entailed, but from the public standpoint, there's really one major change that we're going to see, and that we are finally catching up with the rest of the Metroplex and implementing a watering schedule. So this is a two-day-a-week irrigation schedule. Again, the rest of the Metroplex already does this, so this is for consistency. And just to clarify, if y'all are already familiar with our summer watering ordinance, that's something we have in place regardless as to how much or how little water falls from the sky, but it says that we cannot water from June 1st through September 30th from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., and that's going to help prevent scorching of grass and evaporation and other things like that. That's still in place, so this two-day-a-week schedule is on top of that. A little bit of background about this plan. It's nothing new. We've actually had it in place for almost 20 years now, and on regular update cycles, we've approved it in 2005, '09, 2014, and 2019. What's interesting, though, again, the plan being kind of comprised of both our conservation everyday strategies and our drought contingency portion, we've actually never had to enact our drought contingency plan. We came very close in 2014. If y'all remember, that was the end of a very scary seven-year drought of record, but then the sky kind of fell in with our historic 68 inches of rain in 2015, so we didn't have to enact it, so that was a supply-based almost. We had a demand-based almost last year. In 2023, our demands got very, very close to our capacity or our ability to produce water. In just a moment, I'll kind of walk through what that framework is, but all that said is it's been a bit of a luxury for us that we haven't had to enact the plan yet. Yes, sir? What time of year did that occur? That was August. So peaks only? Yes, sir. Thank you. Yes. Actually, I appreciate that question, because putting just some guidelines when it comes to irrigation during that peak time is going to be that conservation portion that helps us kind of stave off accidentally entering into a drought scenario when we really don't have to. So it's just kind of providing that guidance during that peak time, but y'all are aware our population is growing, and with our population growth, our water supplies are the same. So we're just having to get a little bit more creative and analytical with the way we build our water portfolio and manage our water. With that population growth and then the variability we're seeing in the weather patterns compared to years past, it's kind of possible that we're going to enact the drought contingency plan at some point. So what we did was we looked at the drought contingency plan, and we reviewed all the different measures in place that if we're in that situation, we do X. And we sat down with the different departments, and we said, "Hi, are y'all aware you're on the hook for this?" Again, it's a five-year update, and we've had some turnover. So we wanted to make sure there were processes in place for all the different items. The departments were ready, and this wasn't a scramble in the event. We had to. So we also gave them the opportunity, all the different departments, to say, "Is this feasible or not? Is this something we need to talk through?" Luckily, all the strategies were considered feasible, and now we know for a fact we have processes to support them. So in the event we enter a drought situation, we're ready to go. So that said, with the likelihood of having to enact the plan soon, we're in a good place. Additionally, the conservation portion of the plan, those everyday strategies, the way we manage water, most of these are internal strategies. So we have a very active leak detection. We keep our water meters up to date. We've invested in new equipment. We're really doing a lot on the operation side to ensure that we're doing everything we can, and then, again, from the customer side, it's that irrigation schedule rolling out during those peak times to conserve resources. When we say drought, one of my favorite things about the drought conservation plan is it's not subjective. We have very defined measures in place that say what exactly constitutes a drought situation, how can we get into a drought situation, and how severe is it? What parts of the plan do we need to enact based on what's going on in our environment? So before I talk through the little drought contingency chart, y'all might already be aware, but there's a little graph that has a dam, and it says reservoir, flood control, storage pool. When we're talking about lake levels, we're looking at that middle zone that says conservation storage pool. So when we say lakes are at 65%, it's that top yellow line between flood control and conservation pool, that's that 100% line, and 65%, 50% is as it relates to that line there. So there are several things that can cause a drought scenario. Supply, we have very little control over that. That's the rainfall and the levels of the lake. We've got demand, that's our customer use, where we do have some control, and we're hoping to make the most of that with the implementation of the irrigation schedule. And then operational, this is something we don't ever want to see, but operational could be an act of terror on our SCADA system, contamination of the water, major failure with some equipment, although we do maintain a very aggressive maintenance schedule, and we have some redundancies in place to ensure that we don't have equipment failure, but it is still something that we want to be prepared for just in case. So we've got supply, demand, and operational are the reasons we could have a drought scenario, and then we've got different stages within those scenarios that dictate how strict our control measures are going to be. We've got mild, moderate, severe, and again, that's when our supply dips down to 65%, 50%, or 35% of that conservation pool. Demand. So we are able to currently produce 50 million gallons of potable water per day. If we get close to that 50 million gallon mark, we start to roll out mitigation measures to decrease usage patterns. When we hit 85% of that, or 42.5 million gallons of day, for four days in a row on the demand side, we start to put restrictions in place, and as you can see in the chart, that escalates as we use more for a shorter increment, and that's just to make sure we preserve those supplies. Operational, because that's such an unknown in terms of the severity of the impact of the operational failure, you could catapult instantly into any of those stages, but again, we have a lot of maintenance measures in place to ensure that doesn't happen. But all that said, it is really nice to know we've got exact steps in order vetted with all the departments as we head into this summer in very, very detailed, defined criteria that say where are we, and what exactly do we need to do to preserve our water supply at this point in time. Yes, sir. We have additional water coming online through our bond program, construction, future development. At what point in time do we anticipate those being online? I believe they're going to start to come online in 2027 for an additional 20-MGT. Thank you. Yes. So yes, and to your point, when we look at that middle row that says demand, that's going to change those numbers, obviously, when we're able to produce that additional supply. So as far as irrigation schedule goes, we have looked at a lot of best practices. When it comes to irrigation management, we want to ensure that the irrigation schedule is spaced out in a manner that helps people preserve their landscaping, even though we're restricting the days that they can irrigate. So we've got even addresses Tuesday and Saturday, odd addresses Wednesday and Sunday, and then our commercial and multifamily will be Monday and Thursday. Again, our annual summer watering ordinance, that's still going to be in effect during June 1st through September 30th. As we decided on the schedule, we looked at what the rest of the Metroplex was doing. We were one of the last ones that didn't have an irrigation schedule, but we're still pretty generous with our irrigation schedule. For example, Frisco just proposed absolutely no irrigation in the winter, one day a week spring and fall, and one day a week recommended with an optional second week in the summer. So additionally, a lot of other cities in the Metroplex, their watering ordinance that- What's Frisco's water source? LaVon? No, they are, they purchased their water from a supply district. The UT? I believe so. I can get that for you. A fraternity? I'm speculating right now. I want to get you a precise answer, but we're- Yeah, it is. Okay. Okay. We're in a really good spot having our own water rights. We are aware that this update is new. It's going to be different, especially for our long-term Dentonites who have enjoyed access to irrigate at any point in time until now. So we've done a couple things to help support the community the best we can. If you all aren't familiar with Discuss Denton, it's a fantastic website run by our public affairs team, where we've got project updates, initiative updates for things happening in the city. And one of those pages on there is our Waterwise Denton page. We've been updating it since last year, and we put our daily usage volumes every morning on that website. And we also track the rainfall as well. But we were really delighted last summer to see we're up to 1,300 different IP addresses have hit the website. And I don't think it's because it's a fabulous website. I think it's because we have a fabulous community that's really engaged and aware of our water situation. And this way we let everyone know exactly what we used the day before so we can track, monitor, and see. And if we have to roll out the drought contingency measures for any reason, it shouldn't be a surprise. We've been able to see the trend lines going, and we just wanted to make sure that the public had access to all the information we have access to. So please check that out, shameless plug, if you haven't gotten a chance to see that yet. We also post conservation opportunities. Our sustainability department does a fantastic job hosting classes for irrigation or conservation, and we promote those on there as well. We're going to get an additional FTE on our team, and they're going to help engage the community. So as we roll out the irrigation schedule, they are going to be receiving feedback from Engaged Denton. I'm sure you all are familiar with that, our community input software. And then also kind of driving through the community. We're not going to be enforcing fines or anything. We're going to be educating the first couple years this rolls out, because we don't want fines, we want water security. Eventually, if we get to that point, we do have a pathway to roll fines out, but we really don't want to, and there's a lot of steps before we get there. So we really want to educate, partner, and empower. And we're partnering very closely with sustainability, and making sure that we have classes and information that's very relevant to this update going out. We're also putting significant investment in our reuse system. Our reuse system is effluent, reuse effluent from the plant, the concrete water reclamation plant, where we normally would discharge that water into the lake. We clean it up and repurpose it for non-potable purposes. So industrial uses and irrigation, that offsets the demand on our potable water. We also have some rebate programs that we're hoping to enact to help support this. So sprinklers, kind of sprinkler systems that have the weather-wise sensors. And turf replacement programs are in the work, pending budget approval, to kind of help the community as well. And then we also have a lot of alternative supply strategies that I could go into detail, but you all are probably tired of listening to me talk. So, that is essentially it, and I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Questions, is that Mr. Rayner? >> Thank you. I appreciate the information. I'd like to ask a couple questions on your, I think it's a given, our population growth is wonderful to some and off the chart with others. I'd like to talk about the apartment complexes that are coming up, those that are already out, those that are in the pipeline for further development and such. Have you all done a somewhat study on what you project water usage from all of these apartment complexes versus population, but the apartment complexes themselves? Did you all put that in your study when you looked at the active drought plan and such? >> So, yes sir. We did consider population growth, and one of the things we did in the plan was we separated out multi-family usage from single-family homes. In the past, we had this trajectory that was saying, hey, we're saving water less gallons per capita per day per person. But as you dissected the data, there's kind of the elephant in the room is, well yes, but when you're in a multi-family scenario, not everybody is irrigating. You can't chalk that water reduction up to improved conservation measures because it's just kind of the nature of it. So we did adjust our five and ten year targets for gallons per capita per day savings to reflect that. Because the last thing we want to do is pad our projections and conservation measures with something that's naturally going to correct high volume per capita per day usage with the elimination of irrigation. >> So did you find the number of apartment complexes that are coming out of the ground, were you prepared for that type of growth? >> So luckily, as part of the plan, we have always had to maintain a projection of at least ten years into the future. Now, this was a little bit of an increase than what we had in the past. I think we're currently at an 8.11% growth rate, which is more than what we anticipated growth to be during prior versions of the plan. But luckily, we were really conservative with our supply, our planning, and then those alternative strategies that we have in place. So we are in a good spot, but yes, sir, we were a little surprised to see just how quickly we're growing. >> Yeah, I agree. If I may, Mr. Chairman, thank you. So I wanted to go over, I understand the June 1st, September 10 to 6, we've been doing that for some time now. Now, does that dovetail into your irrigation schedule, Monday through Thursday's commercial multifamily? Does that slide that you showed, does that have anything to do with the water ban or is the water ban an addition to if we need to follow this on the 10 to 6 situation, time wise? >> Yes, sir. So the two day a week water schedule is going to be in place year round. And so give me, if you can, because I live up in the northeast part of town, they'll ask that question. It's odd number, so that would be a Wednesday. They can start watering whenever they want and water all through Wednesday, or does it fall back into the 10 to 6 time frame? >> So on October 1st, you can water whenever you want on Wednesday. And you can enjoy that all the way through the, what is it? >> Well, I guess, midnight for Wednesday and starting the one o'clock on Thursday morning, you're saying then. >> Well, yes, you can any time between 6 PM and 10 AM, the following, because that midnight cut off, I understand. Sorry about that. Yes, so it would be to that midnight cut off. We're not going to be policing people on October 2nd. >> I'm just trying to understand the irrigation schedule is one thing. And this 10 to 6, if necessary, is the next step, is that correct? >> So the 10 to 6, actually, that's always in place. That's been in place for years and years. And no matter what, it's always going to be no irrigation from 10 AM to 6 PM. And during June 1st through September 30th. But really, you're going to scorch your lawn doing that anyways. So it's- >> Some people don't care. >> Yeah. >> You don't know. And that time it also, if you have those spray irrigation sprinklers too, you're going to lose most of it in evaporation. So it is best practice anyways during that time. And most of our residents do water after that 6 PM when the heat of the day and peak evaporation has gone down. But that's all year twice a week and every year, no matter how much or little rain, from June 1st through September 30th in addition. >> So there's your time frame for that. >> Yes, sir. >> My last question, I was interested in the reuse investment versus the discharge into the lake. Do you have a percentage of the discharge that would be possibly be put back into a reuse investment for the city? >> Yes, sir, in terms of financial investment or water? >> Let's do both. >> Okay, well, we actually, very exciting, we hired an FTE almost a year ago. To really pour a lot of time and energy into our reuse system. And he's doing a lot of work to make sure that we are solid and good to go to bring on additional customers. Right now, it varies, but in the peak summer, we have anywhere from, we've got the capacity to go up to four million gallons a day of reuse water. We are currently discharging a little under 21 million gallons of water a day on our peak. But it's usually closer to kind of 14 or 15 for the rest of the year, is what we discharge into the lake. And then right now, we're diverting, give or take, about half a million gallons of water a day. We are going to grow that system. So for example, one of the really cool things we did when we went through the drought contingency plan. And we talked to the different departments and said, hey, are you aware you're on the hook for, for example, streets. Wet street sweeping has to be reduced during times of drought. We talked to the street department manager and said, well, could we not just use effluent water instead of just charging it into the lake? because that's not for human consumption. And he said, well sure, so there's some things we're going to have to work through to get to that point, retrofitting the trucks and so on. But we're looking at alternative strategies like that. We're also targeting other businesses that have industrial uses, where they could utilize the water for industrial usage, never coming in contact with humans, and then offsetting our potable demand. So if y'all would like to have us actually come back and give a presentation, I'm really excited about the things happening, and we would love to tell y'all. >> Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Bob's got a club that they set their clocks, their alarm clocks at midnight on October 1st. So they all get up and water their lawns together in his neighborhood. >> Don't take a shower during that time. >> I will be back with that skated demand data to show y'all. >> Well, one thing, I don't know if you're an accountant, but one thing I know about accountants is they love it when you ask them for information because they've been putting all this stuff together for a long time, you know? But anyway, okay, questions? Okay, doesn't appear to be. We will need a motion and a vote on this item. >> So moved. >> And a motion? >> Second. >> Second, Mr. Plut. All those in favor, please say aye. >> Aye. >> Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay, now on this next item, it needs to be voted on regardless in open session. However, if you do have any questions, we need to go into closed session to ask those questions. Or put a presentation on because it is approved for a closed session item. >> So if I might interject, Mr. Chairman, so what you're saying is we can have a presentation and we can look at the information, but we can't ask any questions until we get the closed session? >> Is that right? >> No, we need to go with the open. >> No, there's only specific information that is confidential. The pricing, if there's information you want about some of the other resources that we have and how they compare. Those sorts of things, and any items that's been redacted in the contract, we would have to go into closed session. >> So the question was, the presentation needs to be done in closed session or can it be done in open session? >> We do have a presentation that we can go through for closed session if you'd like to do that first. >> But there's not a presentation for open session? >> There is a presentation for open, yes. >> Okay, all right. >> There are both. >> That's the question. >> There's both, yes, sir. >> Thank you. >> And let's move ahead with that one then. >> So just for clarity, Mr. Chair, so we're going to go ahead and do the open session. And if there are questions that the City Attorney deems confidential, we can go into closed session. >> I think we got it now, thank you. >> Good morning, members of the PUB. My name is Jose Gaitan. I'm here, I'm the division manager for the Energy Management Organization. We're here to present the results of the RFP that we had for additional power supply from renewable resources to maintain our 100% renewable goal. And as a result of that RFP, we're here to present what we believe is the best option. And that is Yellow Viking Solar. So Yellow Viking Solar is officially named Yellow Viking Development 1, LLC. And that is the initial project from Osaka Gas USA. Osaka Energy is a company that was founded in Osaka, Japan in 1897. They're a very strong company, have over 23.5 billion assets. They have over half a billion dollars of revenues for the last four years, so they're a pretty strong company. Last year, they had an initiative to be carbon neutral by 2050, and so this is their initial project in the United States to meet that goal. They do have experience with renewables in Japan. >> You said the company was formed in 1897? >> 1897, April 10th. >> That's right. >> In Japan, Osaka. So they've been around for a while. >> They probably weren't selling electricity in 1897. >> No. >> Okay, wow. >> Yeah, they've been around the energy space for a very long time. >> Okay. >> So yeah, just where this project is complete is 204 megawatts of capacity. They're interconnected in the Encore system. They have a guaranteed commercial date of January 2027. And from this RFP, 8271, we received quite a few responses. 17 offers were received, and six best and final offers were also reviewed as a result of this RFP. Looking at all the responses and the pricing, you can see there, Yellow Viking is roughly in that red block there. We evaluated all these criteria, the proposed price congestion cost was a big factor. And the experience of the developer and the status of the development were key, because we have some projects that have rolled off. And so we need to replace that energy with more additional renewable PPAs to continue to meet that 100% goal. Yellow Viking here, we can see our blue line, it has significant load growth, as you guys are well aware. We had, as I mentioned before, we had the expiration of our white tail PPA that expired at the end of last year. And we have Samsung Solar, we had issues with that PPA as well, as you may be aware. And then you can see in the red line, where Yellow Viking kind of fits into meeting that 100% demand for renewable energy. And what you see is that we're not quite at the amount of load that we have going forward. But the area between the blue and the red curve designates areas where we'll be entering into short term renewables deals to get the energy and the rec from renewable resources to meet that demand. These are some of the, go ahead. >> I'm sorry, I have a question from your previous slide. >> Yeah. >> So, we allowed this white tail agreement to expire and chose not to renew it? >> No, it was just, it was the timeframe of that contract was set to expire on that day. There were some options to renew, but the price was not in our favor. >> Okay, so we chose, excuse me, we chose to, DME chose to let that contract expire. >> Correct. >> Because financial considerations. So, I noticed that Samsung Solar said default, did they go under? >> No, we had some issues with them, but I think we can speak more about it in the close session. >> Very good, thank you. >> Yeah. >> And I may ask, I wanted to discuss the, I consider a flat line on the yellow Viking. Is that something that should be discussed at, I'm just curious why it leveled off and there's no increase in that projection. >> Yeah, as we go forward in next year and the year after, we're going to continue to issue more RFPs to increase that flat line so it doesn't flat line like that going forward. So, this is just showing where we are currently, but we intend, yes. We intend to continue to issue RFPs to get more megawatts from renewable resources going forward. >> Okay, thank you. >> Mm-hm. Yep, so these are the, kind of the points that were agreed to with this PPA. It's a 15 year deal that starts in 2027. It's a fixed price for the entire term. We have some performance guarantees for commercial operation dates for pre and post. The things really to note were more of the tight force measure definitions, especially with the results of the Samsung RFP. We have a tier one where yellow Viking is responsible for all costs. There is a tier two where the 50/50 split of those costs. And then there's a tier three where if costs exceed a certain amount, we do have the option to terminate the contract at that point. So, at this point, we would recommend that the city council approve and authorize the city manager to execute the PPA and all associated actions. So, any questions? >> Mr. Chairman, I was wondering if we could postpone holding a vote until we've had closed session so that we can ask questions. >> Certainly, I think that was what they were planning on. >> Thank you. >> Having said that, we'll postpone this vote. I'm going to, ready, okay. So, the Public Utility Board will now at 9.35 AM convening a closed meeting to deliberate the closed meeting items set forth on the agenda, which include the following. IDPUB 24-072, deliberations regarding certain public power utilities competitive matters under Texas Government Code Section 551.086. Consultation with attorneys under Texas Government Code Section 551.071. [BLANK_AUDIO] Closed session and no official action was taken. And we did not, nevermind. >> Mr. Chairman, I have asked to postpone our earlier vote until the closed session was over. I'd like to move approval of the previous item. >> All right, so we have a motion to approve item A from PUB 24. It's actually item C. >> Item C, sir, yeah. >> C, PUB 24-073. Do I hear a second? >> Second. >> Thank you. We have a second one, Mr. Rayner. Motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. >> Aye. >> Any opposed? >> Aye. >> You're opposed? Okay, interesting. Hope somebody calls you and asks you why. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> And me too, but they don't ever do it. >> [LAUGH] >> Well, thank you. >> See, that would be called an abstain vote in my book when I got in trouble for that. >> Yeah. >> All right, let's move it, get out of here. >> I don't think we can do that anymore, abstain yet. >> No, I know, I've got slapped on the hand, wrist. >> Better vote health. >> That's right. >> Yeah, yeah, Mr. Puente. >> Sorry about that, Mr. Chair. Yeah, so just really quick on the management update, just future agenda items that are coming up. I think I've said this every single meeting, just as a reminder, a lot of budget stuff coming to you here in the next couple of months. May 20th kind of being the first meeting. And so please, if you could be available to that, we do have a lot of budgets that we go through with the board. And so please just be attuned to those dates starting May 20th. And then for the new business action item, I think we've completed everything except the one item on EV vehicles. And we still have quite a bit of time on that. But that's really all we have for you today, and if there's any questions you have, I'm happy to- >> If there are not any more questions, we stand adjourned. I got it in there after all.