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 Good morning, everyone.

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 We are here at the mobility committee.

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 Today is Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 10 a.m.

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 We're here in the city's council work session room.

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 We have determined that a quorum has been reached.

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 We are going to start with our citizens' comment on any agenda items.

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 Have you all heard of any citizens' comments or the agenda items, okay?

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 So we'll go to number two, items for individual consideration.

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 MC2 -- before I start that, I do want to make a note very early on that for item D, MC24-006,

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 we have this information that has been sent to the committee on this -- in this area.

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 So what we're going to do is we're going to ask for you all to click on those items and

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 get those updates there, like we have done.

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 So we're not going to spend any time going through those visuals, but we will set it

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 up for us to ask any questions if we have any from the committee.

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 So going back up to item A, MC24-005, consider approval of the minutes of February 28, 2024.

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 Do we have any -- can we get a motion for approval?

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 >> Approve approval.

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 >> Okay.

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 Any second?

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 Any second?

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 Any second?

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 Okay.

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 So we've got a second that.

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 Do we have any discussion of anything?

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 All right.

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 So let's get a vote for approval.

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 Raise your hand.

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 Okay.

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 It's been moved and approved.

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 MC24-007, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton Transportation

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 Mobility Project status update.

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 Good morning.

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 >> Good morning.

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 Let's see if I can work this.

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 Is it on the second one?

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 >> Second tab.

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 >> At the top?

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 >> Second.

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 >> Second tab.

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 Why didn't you say that?

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 Okay.

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 John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions.

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 We'll be going over these projects fairly quickly today because we went through them

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 fairly thoroughly last month and I don't want to take all of y'all's time again.

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 Again, 35 North is a project from -- I'll show you the map from basically the Fort Worth

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 Drive 77 -- I mean the 77 Drive impact at the -- right by the truck stop north all the

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 way to the county line and it's being built in three phases, all of them which are funded

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 at a little over $800 million.

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 And you'll see the yellow is in the utility zones and mostly what we've done since we

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 met last with y'all is updated what we are in the utilities, City of Denton is the most

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 important, it's clear in those segments and so they are on track for their various let

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 dates between '24 and '27 and those are in those years because that's where those dollar

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 amounts are for those various CSJs.

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 Just plugging away on the utilities on that.

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 The merge, let's April 4th and it'll go from the $2.35 up to $2.77, it's about a little

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 over $480 million and when it goes under the knife it will not be pleasant in that section

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 of the city.

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 And so if it goes -- when they let April 4th, when it lets April 4th, it'll probably be

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 about 60 days before you actually see the contractor out because they have to get their

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 contract signed, their bond documents in, mobilize and then so you'll probably start

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 seeing them in the summer, early part of the summer, actually start putting your barricades

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 up, your SW3P fences, your storm water prevention, that's what SW3P is, is those fences that

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 they put up to keep the silt from coming out and so you'll see a lot of staging, a lot

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 of moving into their sites for their offices, but probably by the end of summer you'll start

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 to see heavy activity in the corridor.

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 Awesome.

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 Excuse me?

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 I said awesome.

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 Oh, I'm not usually getting positive feedback.

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 No, I meant that, I'm happy.

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 Okay, so the Mayo job, the utilities are progressing, that's the major critical path, all the utilities

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 are on track for completion in the November timeframe, but the funding for this project

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 is in the June 2025 let date so we probably won't be able to get that moved up, but what's

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 also happening at the same time is your project on May Hill is scheduled to be completed around

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 October, November, so that gives us a little bit of a reprieve and then 12 months later

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 we come back and start all over again.

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 And we have coordinated with TechStat since our last meeting and the county to let them

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 know that we will be progressing the segment of May Hill between the 35 job and your Colorado

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 project as a regional total revenue project, we'll do it like what we're doing in Lewisville,

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 where it's different funding category, but it'll be let with the 35 project.

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 Okay.

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 When you say reconstruct the interchange there, will you be changing the design of that or

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 will it just be a- Yeah, so right now it's a, I think two, three

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 lanes go under, two through and a continuous left, and there's six lanes of traffic going

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 over the May Hill.

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 This will look like Luke 288, where you've got a huge interchange there and it will have

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 12 lanes going under, six general purpose lanes, four turning lanes, and two Texas U-turns

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 on either end.

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 And then we will build the ultimate section on the bridge structure, which will include

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 the six general purpose lanes and the four toll manage lanes for the future when the

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 toll manage lanes come through up to 380.

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 So it'll be fairly significant.

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 And we go all the way north to the Luke 288 intersection and at Brinker, we flip one of

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 the frontage roads so that it goes up even with the main lanes and back down.

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 So if you're going from exiting May Hill to get to Luke 288, you won't have to stop at

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 the Brinker light going north.

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 And if you exit 288 trying to get to May Hill, you won't have to stop at a light at Brinker

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 going south.

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 So they'll have one frontage road go to the signal, and then one frontage road go up and

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 over and bypass the signal in both directions.

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 Very significant improvements.

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 Once this is done, this whole L area is going to open up.

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 My husband just texted me and said, "Yay."

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 You got to remember people are watching.

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 Okay, 35W frontage roads.

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 This is called the middle section because, like I told you last month, nobody wants to

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 build a section from 2449 up to a railroad track because it's just basically a drainage

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 job.

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 Right now, there's no funding.

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 But after this unified transportation plan is approved in August, there will be funding

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 allocated to this project.

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 And we will start to segment what portions of those frontage roads need to be built first.

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 We're looking at somewhere around 188 to 204 million of the 423 million.

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 So what we'll end up doing is finding those segments that are most critical and then build

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 not only the frontage roads, but if there are interchanges in that particular segment

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 that we choose, we'll build the full future grade separation in that area as well.

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 So if we're at 2449, we'll do that; if we're at 407, we'll do that; Crawford and Robeson,

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 we'll do that with it.

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 And it's got a ready to let of September 2025, which means all the stuff that we need

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 to get done is ready to go and we'll coordinate with city staff.

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 Scott's pretty good at letting me know what he wants financially and we'll identify places

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 to start.

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 Did I hear you say you thought it was about 60% drainage?

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 Is that what I was hearing?

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 No, this segment from 2449 up, if you look at the two projects, the merge and this one,

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 there's a gap.

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 So when I call it 35W middle, everybody goes, "Well, it's the northern half.

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 Why is it called middle?"

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 Well, we're leaving that little piece out because it's just a drainage job.

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 And so there's no development that attaches there.

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 So the four lanes that are there will stay there.

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 Okay.

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 Appreciate that, thank you.

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 So this is the 380 job from 288 out to 377.

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 It's essentially substantially complete.

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 They're just basically doing cleanup on some of the peripheral stuff, the pedestrian rails,

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 the striping, some of what I call the farming, where they're putting this grass and stuff

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 out to make it grow.

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 And there will be daily lane closures, but essentially the six-lane divided facility

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 is open to traffic.

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 Yeah, so this is wrapping up.

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 We're all done, but the dotting of the I's, and so how much delay do you think there'll

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 be before the bypass project?

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 Just an estimate.

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 I'm not asking to pin you down, but are we looking at a year or a year or two, because

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 sort of like when do we stop and start?

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 Because that feels pretty close in the scheme of things, but not really.

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 So I'm moving to the bypass that you were talking about, and we're looking at being

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 environmentally clear next year.

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 So what that means is we've got the schematic approved and the environmental process completed,

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 and the alignment is set and established.

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 And so what'll happen, probably starting the first part of 2025, is TextDOT will retain

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 a firm to begin what's the right-of-way acquisition, and then depending upon how long they think

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 that'll take, they will start utility relocations.

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 Because when they fund the right-of-way on a project, it comes out of a different bucket

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 than their constrained construction bucket.

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 It's a bucket that is statewide, so whoever's fastest gets the mostest.

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 And so North Texas is always usually the fastest.

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 So when you get right-of-way money for a project, you also get the utility relocation dollars.

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 So if they start the right-of-way, then right on behind that, they'll start the utility

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 relocations.

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 And the reason they do it staggered is because a lot of times the utilities need to be in

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 TextDOT right-of-way, the future right-of-way, and so the state has to buy the right-of-way

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 first for them to be able to move.

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 So you're talking probably 27 before we actually start constructing any of this, and that's

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 assuming I come up with $92 million somewhere, which I will when it always works out.

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 It does, it works out.

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 For staff, I think we just need to integrate tightly with the businesses and the residences

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 in that corridor, so we minimize start and stop on those folks.

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 So the other loop...

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 Excuse me.

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 Oh, do I...

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 Where am I supposed to be?

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 Go back to the bridge.

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 Yeah.

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 That's right there.

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 That's good.

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 And you can even go to the summary there, because I had a question about the summary

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 area.

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 Where's my mouse?

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 This one or this one?

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 It's the next page.

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 That page right there.

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 This one?

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 Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 I was going to ask about the, I guess, the edge of the roadway that have those concrete

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 barriers there.

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 When you talk about the pedestrian rail, pedestrians are going to be able to walk across the bridge,

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 and there is some railing that I kind of noticed, but wasn't really paying attention to.

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 Is that the permanent railing that we're talking about?

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 Yes.

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 So if you're talking about the very outside...

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 Yeah, the very outside.

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 I would cross over the lake.

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 Yeah.

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 The concrete barrier there is a concrete barrier to preclude vehicles from...

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 Right.

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 Then on top of that, they put a ped rail, because people are taller in general than

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 cars are.

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 Right.

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 So that's the ability to fall over by putting a ped rail along the concrete barrier.

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 And how wide is that sidewalk?

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 They're usually five and a half, six feet.

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 Oh, is that so wide?

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 At least five feet, but typically they're six on a state facility.

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 And that's required.

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 I mean, the state has been doing it lately anyway, but the feds require us to include

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 sidewalks on everything we build.

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 Right.

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 That's what I'm saying.

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 Do you think people have an opportunity to safely ride a bike across there?

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 Is that...

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 Have you all thought of...

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 I can't answer that question.

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 Is that a bike?

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 Oh, we have the bike person.

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 I've ridden from Mayhill along 380 just past the green belt, because I wanted to see how

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 far it goes.

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 And there was some railing on the outside to prevent me from falling in the water that

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 was still incomplete.

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 It was just wood.

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 And you could tell they weren't done with that yet, but yeah, I mean, it's a little

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 uncomfortable because fast traffic, but I mean, yes, I can get to the...

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 They can get to the green belt at this point.

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 On the north side, there's a 10 foot shared use path from 288 all the way to the green

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 belt.

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 And that was something that the city was very instrumental in getting done.

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 Okay.

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 So that's pretty nice.

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 And there is like a little driveway that people use to fish.

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 For fishing.

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 It's still there.

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 Is that going to be affected by any of this project at all?

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 They reconstructed it.

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 I'm not sure what that driveway's for.

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 It may be a Corps of Engineers access point, but it was there when the project started,

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 so they had to put it back.

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 Okay.

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 And yeah, just starting at the middle of March to about the middle of April is when the sand

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 bass run, and that's why you see all those vehicles up there.

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 Pecan Creek's running right behind my house, and so people are always cutting through my

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 property to get to the creek on the Corp.

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 That's how I know when the fish start running, when people start trespassing.

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 And the other thing is that median, I may have asked this question last month and forgotten

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 the answer, but that median is just the same color as the roadway and at night.

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 Is there going to be any kind of improvement or some breaks or something?

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 That median is the median.

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 I don't know if the city has, I'll have to go look to see if the plans call for any kind

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 of aesthetic.

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 Recreation.

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 Right.

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 A lot of times the city will come in with some of that paystone, but I don't think that

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 this project has that, but I can go look.

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 But no, it's what you see out there, if it's the middle of the road, that this project

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 is essentially complete, so what you see is what's going to be there.

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 Okay.

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 I just thought it was just a little bit, you know, it was just too, the aesthetic was just

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 too simple, you know, for someone that never drives through that way, but, you know, people

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 that are around here that drive back and forth that way, we know there's a very wide median

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 there.

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 Right.

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 But anyway, that's just my thought.

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 Anybody else have any other questions?

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 Striping?

00:17:08.120 --> 00:17:09.120
 Okay.

00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:10.120
 All right.

00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:11.120
 Well, thank you for that.

00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:17.000
 So the other 288 is the western portion, and essentially we are in the middle of acquiring

00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:23.800
 a right-of-way on this project, advancing the PS&E on this project.

00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:29.200
 We had a little bit of an environmental modification down here for Underwood that's progressing

00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:34.160
 properly and we coordinated with the city and the property owners out there.

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 And so this project is just two frontage roads, north and southbound.

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 We're looking at somewhere around a little over $220 million.

00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:50.560
 We would do great separations at the railroad track and at 380 initially.

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 And then in the future, we'd have to find out where the other ones are consistent with

00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.760
 the city's thoroughfare plan.

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 And we are looking at it being ready about this time in two years from now.

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 And again, I keep saying this every time I talk, you'll see that this timeframe is a

00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.960
 lot longer than the other ones I've shown you.

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 And that the reason is because of all of the gas wells out there and the transmission lines

00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.960
 that we have to deal with.

00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:22.060
 Any questions on that one?

00:18:22.060 --> 00:18:25.040
 And then we just talked, we can talk more about this one if you want.

00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:31.320
 I've given Scott the schematic, preliminary schematic for this area.

00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:35.840
 He and his staff are analyzing that and when I guess at some point we'll come and bring

00:18:35.840 --> 00:18:41.480
 all that to you guys to go over, jot until chapter and verse on it to make sure we're

00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.400
 all swing on the same side of the plate.

00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.000
 We've got a question.

00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.880
 Is that between the two of you, is that the same schematic that you used in the presentation

00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:51.880
 last night?

00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:52.880
 No.

00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:53.880
 You'll see a new one.

00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:54.880
 Okay.

00:18:54.880 --> 00:19:04.720
 Yeah, for this, I'll just prelude my comment on this one and the outer loop in general

00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:05.720
 comment.

00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.320
 I'm not asking you to skip to it.

00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:13.960
 I would really love to see all the proto-alignments.

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 If the combination of the group could get those, I mean I know there might be 12 of

00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:28.120
 them and six of them have almost no probability but I would love to see the alignments as

00:19:28.120 --> 00:19:33.040
 they've been trimmed down from where they were in the past for both the bypass and the

00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:39.960
 outer loop just because the questions are endless and there's no ability to get in front

00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:48.080
 of it at all and even if you're trying to mitigate fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the

00:19:48.080 --> 00:19:54.160
 people, even if you do what you do is put a big cloud on it and say we're not sure,

00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.880
 that's actually making it worse.

00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.320
 That's not me that's doing that.

00:20:00.320 --> 00:20:08.120
 The thinking was if I show the 22 alignments that are because the federal process says

00:20:08.120 --> 00:20:13.600
 if somebody says in this stage of the process why don't you go across the dam on Ray Roberts,

00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:17.720
 you got to put a line on a map and tell them why that won't work because the court won't

00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.160
 let you touch their dam but you got to put it on and then take it off.

00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:26.000
 Right now if I was to put all the alignments that have been suggested by all of the civil

00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:31.320
 engineers that live in the northern part of your city and county, it would look like that

00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:38.120
 green blob so we just did the green blob so that there's no there there until and we're

00:20:38.120 --> 00:20:45.440
 down to seven and they're really not seven, they're two alternatives that have different

00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:52.720
 meandering on the ends because we have certain criteria we have to hit for the court to hit

00:20:52.720 --> 00:21:00.880
 so we can get you that it's a at the staff level that's okay to communicate but every

00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:07.320
 time we show alignments that are that are we're just suggested to us that we have to

00:21:07.320 --> 00:21:14.160
 go run the matrix on every time we show that we add to the confusion and what the and that's

00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.960
 because the federal choir what we're trying to do is minimize that yeah that silliness.

00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:26.320
 I appreciate that and so if the either me or the committee in general I think if we

00:21:26.320 --> 00:21:31.400
 could get that I would I would love to to see those yeah and there's literally I think

00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:35.360
 in the next in what time is it in about five minutes there's a Denton County Outer Loop

00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:40.940
 meeting fixing to start that my staff's going to so there we're meeting almost every week

00:21:40.940 --> 00:21:45.080
 on that project because there's some some some well if I knew you'd be I'd say some

00:21:45.080 --> 00:21:50.280
 rat to kill but I won't say that there's something we got to get dealt with on that

00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:56.800
 project so it's easy enough to bring it to the staff or to to elected officials but just

00:21:56.800 --> 00:22:05.340
 we don't want to broadly distribute it yet because it most of it's inaccurate by design

00:22:05.340 --> 00:22:12.040
 so Luke 28 basically a frontage road job the main lanes are there and we're looking at

00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:18.260
 it cleared in July so you're talking probably two years after that 27 before we have a chance

00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:24.560
 to start it and we got to get the money and text that really wants this road as well and

00:22:24.560 --> 00:22:28.800
 so do y'all because that way you can push truck traffic completely out of your downtown

00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:38.480
 area and everything I just told you is basically what's in the yellow there okay so again Bonnie

00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:43.240
 Bray is a segment right here we just show it separately because we're funding it with

00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:48.240
 federal dollars and state dollars and not city dollars but it's one of y'all segments

00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:55.840
 that you call Bonnie Bray segment 7 and then 1515 we're just punching the clock we're getting

00:22:55.840 --> 00:23:03.000
 trying to get ready to let summer next year and it's a you know it's only 34 million so

00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.920
 shouldn't be too hard and this is another one where we've designed it the way the city

00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:12.680
 wants and the reason I think this project will let sooner than later is because it's

00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:20.080
 a brand spanking new road 10 inches of asphalt you know maybe seven inches of asphalt like

00:23:20.080 --> 00:23:25.840
 10 inches of concrete so it's a very good road and the city has suggested that in the

00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:29.640
 future they would be willing to take it off system as long as it was reconstructed that

00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:36.680
 way you can manage it because there's a lot of big businesses out here and you're constrained

00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:41.280
 to know what you can do with that road while it's on system but once you build it to six

00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:48.080
 lanes divided you get you know 40-year life concrete then you take it off system and manage

00:23:48.080 --> 00:23:54.640
 it the way you want that's going to be really really nice that is a very very useful idea

00:23:54.640 --> 00:24:00.840
 whoever came up with that idea I certainly do applaud them because that's a very busy

00:24:00.840 --> 00:24:07.000
 tight road in there have you all been in been over through that seeing those roads I always

00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:16.000
 get stuck at the frontage road and the bridge those people coming out are not nice working

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:22.760
 all day they want to get home yeah I 1173 this project is going to be ready you know

00:24:22.760 --> 00:24:30.400
 February 25 we are in the process of completing utilities we're going to be focusing again

00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.680
 from the rural track back east to include in the 35 job so that'll adjust the cost

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:43.760
 of the project once we take that in to the bigger 35 project and we are coordinating

00:24:43.760 --> 00:24:53.240
 with crumb on some issues with their historic downtown area but as long as they make up

00:24:53.240 --> 00:25:01.440
 their mind we'll be able to help them outer loop again we are looking at summer 26 to

00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:07.440
 be completed essentially there are three alignments with dangling parciples on either end that

00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:14.760
 we have to look at and we'll get you we'll get something set up through Scott and everybody

00:25:14.760 --> 00:25:24.280
 to get a briefing on it so you'll know because literally it's Salina Aubrey Krugerville

00:25:24.280 --> 00:25:30.400
 and Denton are the critical stakeholders other than the county which is driving the boat

00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:39.800
 and then text up in the car so it's important that we keep you guys in the loop and Alma

00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:47.400
 Locus starts supposed to let project has been awarded so they're saying it should take what's

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.840
 the there are 118 working days eight months of barricades so they think it's eight months

00:25:51.840 --> 00:25:58.360
 and we're coordinating on the pre-con meeting so I drive that road all the time and it's

00:25:58.360 --> 00:26:07.120
 embarrassing it's very bad and every time I would drive down that road I think about

00:26:07.120 --> 00:26:19.360
 you I don't have kidney stones because I always and that's my report right are there any additional

00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:33.840
 questions before we move on thank you John okay well we'll move on to see em see two

00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:41.200
 four days zero zero one receive a report and hold a discussion regarding bike lanes a practical

00:26:41.200 --> 00:27:00.920
 perspective on the u.s. best practices bike lane

00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:09.920
 apparently they already have your exhibits on tab already morning chair morning committee

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:19.400
 members morning for last few months transportation services division received a lot of requests

00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:26.160
 regarding bike lanes and we're responding to them all and this presentation is basically

00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:35.760
 a summary of collective inquiry on from all of those requests and and we just try to split

00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:43.520
 it into three sections where we will have introduction of best u.s. best practices and

00:27:43.520 --> 00:27:50.960
 then we'll also talk about jurisdictional perspectives on how we are in Texas and all

00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:58.520
 as well as in city of Denton how we are dealing with bike lanes and then also briefly I'll

00:27:58.520 --> 00:28:02.840
 talk about what's the way forward and how we how transportation services division and

00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:14.040
 city of Denton is looking at bike lanes when it comes to future implementations and planning

00:28:14.040 --> 00:28:21.680
 so the u.s. best practice groups the bike lanes into four distinct types including conventional

00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:32.280
 bike lanes buffered bike lanes contra flow and left side bike lanes when it comes to

00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:40.520
 conventional bike lanes that's the standard practice that's all over u.s. most cities

00:28:40.520 --> 00:28:44.880
 have these types of bike lanes they are basically on both side they could be provided on both

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:53.520
 sides of the directions on the on any given facility and some of the demerits are that

00:28:53.520 --> 00:29:03.760
 they have little buffer when it comes to the separation between door zones on right side

00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:10.560
 or left side car parkings as well as and the bikers so that essentially means that the

00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:17.440
 bikers would be very close to the door zones and in many cases if the drivers or the users

00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:25.080
 of vehicles are not careful they would just open the door and could cause an incident

00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:34.560
 another issue is that they have minimum buffer between the modes of travel where these could

00:29:34.560 --> 00:29:41.320
 possess challenge for the bikers where they are too close to the other modes of travel

00:29:41.320 --> 00:29:49.920
 especially I've seen in many cases if there's a multimodal environment large buses or trucks

00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.640
 would be passing very close in a very close proximity to the bikers and posing the risk

00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:06.480
 factor simply increases so another so this is just a basic design or some of the design

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:15.040
 not if not complete design sketch for for these lanes but some of the key things include

00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:21.000
 that their width should be six feet and I've seen wider as well but in certain locations

00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.120
 but six feet is a minimum and then signage is is one of the most important aspect it

00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:37.480
 should be complying to the TM UTCD and generally MUTCD requirements are 317 and then there

00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:44.240
 are you know the striping should be in particular is very important as well where six to eight

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:51.720
 inch solid line wide line and four inch solid line on the right side.

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:59.640
 Most of US cities have these types of bike lanes and they're you know widely used all

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:05.040
 over US.

00:31:05.040 --> 00:31:10.280
 Another type of bike lanes widely used in US is buffered bike lanes they are I think

00:31:10.280 --> 00:31:17.760
 their main advantage is that they have wide buffer between mode of travels and also they

00:31:17.760 --> 00:31:25.120
 provide some buffer between the door zones on the parking side so as you can see before

00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:30.640
 I go to the design stage I would just mention their demerits as well one of the challenge

00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:40.440
 with these bike lanes is the buffer because the buffer is necessary by design the implementation

00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:50.760
 is a challenge in areas where which are built out and they don't have as much capacity available.

00:31:50.760 --> 00:31:56.120
 Another issue is that they restrict the right of way for future expansions for instance

00:31:56.120 --> 00:32:01.600
 if you are to expand a facility then buffer would become a problem either you'll have

00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:06.400
 to curtail it or you'll have to redesign it or retrofit it.

00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:12.840
 When it comes to design some of the key features include that buffer shall be clearly marked

00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:21.640
 it should be with two solid lines and if the extra width is available then buffer could

00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:27.440
 also be cross hashed three feet is general and I've seen a little bit wider as well and

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:39.360
 then the separation between the parking and bike lane is also would also have a six to

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:47.880
 eighteen sometimes a foot of buffer I've seen 12 inch of buffer I've seen as well.

00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:54.200
 These kind of buffered bike lanes they are readily used in Austin Texas when we are talking

00:32:54.200 --> 00:33:00.680
 about best practices in Cape Coral Florida I've seen myself because I've lived there

00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.840
 for some time and also New York City and Phoenix Arizona and Tucson Arizona some of the cities

00:33:07.840 --> 00:33:18.560
 but there are other cities we could list Contra bike lanes I have a question about that if

00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:27.840
 you would allow me the green over to the side yes and so is that required to go all the

00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:35.360
 way through or not and why do some cities use green or is there other colors or how

00:33:35.360 --> 00:33:41.160
 does that I'm seeing maybe dark green some places so it changes I mean for instance the

00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:49.360
 color is there to reflect conflicts conflict zone this would this does not show completely

00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:55.460
 but likely in this picture the message is that there was an intersection or some kind

00:33:55.460 --> 00:34:02.320
 of conflict there maybe a bus stop or something that shows that okay you know this zone should

00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:08.840
 bikers and other users other mode users should be careful so in many cases for example in

00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:16.280
 Contra flow bike lanes you would see that there is there you know the crossings between

00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.080
 the intersections they are colored because the Contra flow would go in the other direction

00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:26.760
 as well so wherever we see use of color it is to highlight the conflict okay with other

00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:32.600
 modes thank you and they could vary in I mean it could be green I've seen red as well if

00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:35.460
 for example in Austin they have different color as well they have been using different

00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:40.600
 colors thank you oh you have another question no I appreciate the chair bringing this up

00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:46.120
 because I have a similar question and it's it's kind of scanned through the criterion

00:34:46.120 --> 00:34:51.200
 manual it wasn't clear to me when when we color our conflict zones and when we don't

00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:59.320
 in the city of Denton and and so if we can either address that at some point in the presentation

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:06.240
 or or get back to us later I would appreciate understanding more you know when we just strike

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:13.040
 versus when we paint I'll partially address it in this presentation and then we could

00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:23.920
 circle back on details if you have more questions on that thank you okay so on Contra flow bike

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:31.360
 lanes basically provide in if the facility is one one way and then if we have additional

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.920
 capacity available we could provide bike lanes on the opposite direction and use the capacity

00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:42.080
 I think the advantage of these lanes these bike lanes is that instead of rerouting the

00:35:42.080 --> 00:35:47.640
 bikers to another facility just because this is a one-way road bikers could get an edge

00:35:47.640 --> 00:35:55.760
 and they just could traverse through the facility on the dedicated bike lane and don't have

00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:02.400
 to traverse through many blocks to get to the right direction the merits include implementation

00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:06.560
 limitations in built-up areas again you know because they are capacity constrained they

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:11.760
 have capacity capacity issue and then also may restrict right of way for future expansions

00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:17.040
 as well in fact you know in many cases they would just block any expansion possibilities

00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:23.440
 because then you have to eradicate the remove the the bike lane and then expand on design

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:31.080
 side both options are available if if the bike lane is present on the direction on the

00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:36.520
 direction of the flow then we could depending on the availability of space we could provide

00:36:36.520 --> 00:36:44.000
 buffer between the traffic regular movement and the bikers on the opposite direction as

00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:52.320
 you can see in this case and if and then also we could have the shared lane markings for

00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.840
 instance if the if there's capacity issue and there on the on the in the direction of

00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:06.880
 the flow we have capacity constraints we could use shelves to provide sharing possibilities

00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.360
 lane sharing possibilities for the bikers but it also depends on the speed we have to

00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.760
 be careful in making sure that you know when we are mixing bikers with the regular traffic

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:26.440
 flow we have to make sure that they're safe and these are left side bike lanes these are

00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:32.740
 I call them half contra flow that means is that they are against the flow but on one

00:37:32.740 --> 00:37:44.560
 side only and this you would see those in the in New York or larger cities where we

00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:54.160
 have a lot of traffic congestion and and heavy usage of highway facilities and then you know

00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:59.160
 the bike lane is provided on the left side only and for the design standard it's pretty

00:37:59.160 --> 00:38:05.840
 much same there which is similar to the regular bike lanes except they are provided they have

00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.440
 you know their direction is they are typically not on the right side but on the left side

00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.440
 of the of the flow and of course the signage is needed on the right side there are some

00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:21.280
 examples we have Chicago Portland and San Francisco where they are being used there there's

00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.240
 a big list I just selected some of the cities which I thought that I'll just mention let

00:38:25.240 --> 00:38:32.840
 me ask you a question about that yes you have a question and I've seen this in large cities

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.480
 like that and I've always had a question ever in this regards that right turn so you have

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:50.120
 that bus only with with with an entity allow a right turn at all on this road or is this

00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:58.360
 this is a straight road or a right turn when you oh look it's probably a right turn you

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.360
 know whenever you can something going on over here yeah it's a selective it's a selective

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:08.000
 approach on certain intersection the right right turn would be allowed for example you

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:16.920
 see this green striped area or marking that's a crossing indication so typically what happens

00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:26.520
 is that there are there are traffic flow crossings and there are biker crossings so they are

00:39:26.520 --> 00:39:33.980
 dedicated you know alternate their alternate crossings and in this case probably next next

00:39:33.980 --> 00:39:38.760
 one or next two crossings would be bikers crossing and then this green striping would

00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:44.600
 just continue or our color striping would continue until they reach the right turn crossings

00:39:44.600 --> 00:39:49.920
 and then and they be able to make the right turn so basically the just like a detour they

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:56.280
 are provided a mechanism colored mechanism to take the right turn okay okay all right

00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.980
 yes ma'am I just wanted to add for the sake of the rest of the committee members another

00:39:59.980 --> 00:40:05.200
 demerit on all of these is they're not protected and so what I've learned seems to be a worldwide

00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:09.040
 phenomenon is if somebody can put their car there they will so if we spend a bunch of

00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:13.480
 money on something that people can just easily park in there for or stop in there for any

00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.560
 period of time it kind of makes the bike lane unusable and so we've spent all that money

00:40:17.560 --> 00:40:21.920
 in time and it's not even usable or in some cases people can get killed when they have

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.320
 to go around a vehicle that's in the bike lane so just something to keep in mind that's

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:39.720
 true so other bike lanes include the diamond striping with bike signs where these would

00:40:39.720 --> 00:40:46.680
 not be continuous they would just come and go as the application basically is to provide

00:40:46.680 --> 00:40:53.080
 bikers a continuous flow because in many cases they are using multi-use path and are on the

00:40:53.080 --> 00:40:59.040
 side not on the road bike using on the road bike biking facility then they would be given

00:40:59.040 --> 00:41:05.000
 on certain spots they would be given opportunity to if the trail or the multi-use path could

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:11.400
 not continue they would just be given our opportunity to on street bike lane partial

00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:18.200
 bike lane to get to get through that segment of the road where the multi-use path is not

00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:22.600
 available and then get back on the multi-use path and then we have sharos typically they

00:41:22.600 --> 00:41:28.080
 are on the residential streets but one caution with these is that when whenever we use share

00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:36.520
 we recommend that we allow full usage of bike lane or full usage of the lane traffic flow

00:41:36.520 --> 00:41:41.300
 lane the reason is that in many cases drive as you could see in this image as well there

00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:47.000
 are drive access points there are driveways in residential areas and if there are multiple

00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:55.640
 of them approaching the roadway it is recommended that you know we put a signage that says full

00:41:55.640 --> 00:42:05.720
 lane will be used by the bikers just to provide them extra protection and we have other concepts

00:42:05.720 --> 00:42:19.520
 as you know full colored lanes but there are different ideas for example Austin is using

00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:26.820
 color mixed in in pavement material and then they are using utilizing that that's a very

00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:33.800
 that's interesting idea that's very good one other cities are partially coloring them all

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:40.680
 of those opportunities are available and they could be used to enhance biking culture and

00:42:40.680 --> 00:42:46.840
 biking environment in the in the cities shared use paths are another one our city is using

00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:55.280
 as well and then yes and the idea is that we could provide not only pedestrians but

00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:06.680
 bikers 10 foot to in some cases 12 foot as well a way of paths where they could just

00:43:06.680 --> 00:43:13.480
 use the facility instead of being on the high speed or relatively high speed road and but

00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:19.760
 they're they are exploited in many cases because if we don't provide a guidance on our striping

00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:27.800
 on the on this side use path then it poses risk to the pedestrian versus bikers versus

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.000
 micro mobility users which are operating at different speeds so one caution is that whenever

00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:40.640
 we are we are now making sure that through the review process we highlight this back

00:43:40.640 --> 00:43:47.680
 to the developers that these look into this aspect and and provide the striping and then

00:43:47.680 --> 00:43:54.960
 we have trails as well which are there and then they could also be used by all users

00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.680
 so quickly in the interest of time I'll just be quick on this one so we go to the state

00:44:00.680 --> 00:44:08.640
 of Texas perspective and city of Denton perspective quickly on this and you had a question yes

00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:15.780
 I had a question in regards to the various colors that are used in Austin yes did you

00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:22.360
 all kind of research as to why they would use various colors it seemed like for me monochromatic

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:28.520
 I mean just the same color throughout the city would you know get the folks to understand

00:44:28.520 --> 00:44:33.520
 when they see this particular color then it means something a bit more I'm just not understanding

00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:40.440
 why would a city use various colors and I'll let you address that if you want to but I

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.200
 know that the city of Austin worked with the Dutch embassy so the Netherlands is considered

00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:48.840
 one of the top places for biking you've got you've got all sorts of people doing young

00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:54.800
 old women children and so they worked with the Dutch embassy the Dutch embassy came to

00:44:54.800 --> 00:45:00.400
 Austin and worked with them Austin elected and leadership went to the Netherlands to

00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.400
 look at it and so they're sort of working closely with the Dutch embassy to try to create

00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:11.040
 a low stress bike route and so that's kind of where the red came from because that's

00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:15.240
 sort of what they do in the Netherlands oh okay but that's lower maintenance in the long

00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:19.480
 run if you just mix it in the asphalt like that so the paint we have to keep maintaining

00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:26.160
 repainting every three five years yeah oh so it's mixed in the asphalt it is and so

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:31.400
 they are last article that I'd read a few weeks back they would be sticking to red color

00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.640
 that's what my understanding is they are not changing the colors anymore yeah it's kind

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:43.720
 of like slow down people so this is for the jurisdiction from just jurisdiction standpoint

00:45:43.720 --> 00:45:51.020
 this is the tech starts bicycle accommodation design guide basically that that reflects

00:45:51.020 --> 00:45:58.920
 this method or this approach where they are highlighting where we could use shared bike

00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:06.400
 and bike lane separate buffered and separated bike lane or shared use path and you would

00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:11.800
 just one one observation that is important here is that you would just see that by 35

00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:19.200
 miles per hour speed basically any type of bike lane vanishes if the facility is higher

00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:29.800
 than 35 miles per hour on on road bike lane is poses too much risk for the bikers unless

00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:36.440
 it is separated made exclusive bike lane to some separate separation measure so that's

00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:44.240
 the I think if that's the crux of this this graph that we are seeing here and exhibit

00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:48.900
 that we are seeing here other than that you know the for bridge replacement and rehabilitation

00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:56.400
 they go with minimum five-foot clear space and then for the trails and Texas bicycle

00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:04.560
 tourism trails they go for 10-foot general or minimum eight-foot okay are we including

00:47:04.560 --> 00:47:09.400
 regional standards as well so for example the North Central Texas Council of Governments

00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.880
 has their VeloWeb 2045 I think and so for routes through Denton that are part of the

00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:22.180
 VeloWeb they're recommending 12 to 14 feet of width so some kind of ongoing projects

00:47:22.180 --> 00:47:27.240
 we have in Denton that are included in the VeloWeb are Mayhill which I think is 10-foot

00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:33.080
 but the new part we're doing is still 10-foot it's not that 12 to 14 and then Mingo which

00:47:33.080 --> 00:47:38.680
 I don't think it's finalized yet but I think it looked like we were maybe doing 10-foot

00:47:38.680 --> 00:47:42.440
 for that one and that's part of the VeloWeb as well and that's also part of the Texas

00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:48.520
 tourism trail so I looked that up and I did see the Texas tourism trails does recommend

00:47:48.520 --> 00:47:54.600
 12 to 14 feet for their routes so I'm curious if we're sort of incorporating also NCT cog

00:47:54.600 --> 00:47:59.320
 and at least trying to hit like yes they said 10-foot minimum but 12-foot is a lot better

00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:04.560
 so the rail trail is really narrow and so it just feels a lot more likely a crash would

00:48:04.560 --> 00:48:08.880
 happen especially if it's a busier route so I'm just kind of curious if we're incorporating

00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:14.040
 regional and look we are looking into that aspect as well but you know when it comes

00:48:14.040 --> 00:48:23.900
 to cities guidelines on multi-use path and I would just say side box as well so the standard

00:48:23.900 --> 00:48:34.280
 I mean the approach is for now is 5 feet for residential and then 10 feet for other functional

00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:40.600
 classifications so that's a simple answer but at other places we have recommended 12

00:48:40.600 --> 00:48:46.040
 feet as well, 8 feet as well depending on it's actually design context I mean contextual

00:48:46.040 --> 00:48:51.560
 design where the facility is being designed and what other what the environment is and

00:48:51.560 --> 00:48:57.480
 if it is a built out area then of course there are constraints so we are looking into that

00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:02.800
 for our next study that we are going to have for bike lane feasibility and shared mobility

00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:08.200
 feasibility study we will look into all of these aspects okay and so we have another

00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:16.720
 question here yes yeah no on this chart most of most of our residential speeds are 30 so

00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:26.480
 we're immediately pretty much requiring some sort of separation some sort of mechanism

00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:33.600
 you know where we no longer yet yet I say that yet that we have sharos in a lot of

00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:42.000
 these 30 30 mile an hour zones so I guess my question goes to how do we how do we integrate

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.440
 our residential speeds that are 5 miles over the safety you know the vanishing point there

00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.960
 look for the essential street there's a challenge the challenge is that we have so many drivers

00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:58.960
 yes I give you example of Ryan Ryan road what was that road there was a facility that we

00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:03.320
 are looking at the request came from one of the I think council members we were looking

00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:07.560
 at that facility Riney Road by the highest Riney Road no no it was a different facility

00:50:07.560 --> 00:50:15.040
 Montecito yes thank you so Montecito we were looking at that facility we audited that and

00:50:15.040 --> 00:50:22.680
 we found that there are so many drive access points and if we put a bike lane right next

00:50:22.680 --> 00:50:28.620
 to these drive access points where where residents are mostly reversing their vehicles to come

00:50:28.620 --> 00:50:34.160
 out of the driveway and not aware of if the biker is coming at what speed and let let's

00:50:34.160 --> 00:50:42.120
 not talk about that but I think that's a serious safety risk then I ended up referring to to

00:50:42.120 --> 00:50:50.960
 a I think it's a county county associations standards on bike lanes and they are cautioning

00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:56.880
 on that as well I also looked at TRB resources design standards they are cautioning on that

00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:02.840
 as well that be careful on allowing bike lanes in residential streets where so many drive

00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:08.120
 access points are there so that's why I think the recommendation is that we use Sharos with

00:51:08.120 --> 00:51:13.240
 signage that full bike lane could be used that provides full protection to the bikers

00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:17.200
 because they could they don't have to be now on the edge of the road they could just use

00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:25.280
 one full lane yes and then the other side is that there would be differential speeds

00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:30.300
 but expectation is that they're in residential streets the speeds are relatively lower I have

00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:34.480
 a fault on this but I'll wait till the end of the presentation and it's the exactly this

00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.960
 point but on Old North okay okay we can discuss after them okay I want to discuss more so

00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:47.280
 the last one is Denton mobility we in on our end in the city we have Denton mobility plan

00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.360
 bicycle plan we have Denton transportation criteria manual and development codes and

00:51:52.360 --> 00:52:00.000
 standard I'll show you I just mentioned that the five foot sidewalks and ten foot multi

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.440
 use path is pretty much that's what we are looking at right now unless until we have

00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:10.920
 our study done and then we will be able to update that and then this is the sketch of

00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:19.440
 the standard details document where it shows that this is five feet sidewalk for residential

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:29.840
 streets and for collectors it is ten feet and I could cities mobility plan is referring

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:35.840
 to a basic information on on bike lanes and through this transportation services division

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:41.800
 is planning to launch a shared mobility feasibility study now and based on that we will be able

00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:47.400
 to make many updates will be informed based on not only the best practice but also other

00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:54.360
 other reference information as well so this is a way forward for us we are planning for

00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:58.520
 bike lanes as one of the priorities here in the city transportation services division

00:52:58.520 --> 00:53:05.960
 is working on the participation of bike lanes as we speak we are planning to develop localized

00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:11.880
 standards for four distinct types clearly stating where we could use each one of those

00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:20.040
 and enhance the transportation criteria manual as well for bike lanes and their designs and

00:53:20.040 --> 00:53:27.440
 also we appreciate City Council's considerations for on street bike lanes standards as well

00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:34.480
 and interest as well if you have any more questions I could come so we'll start here

00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:43.600
 and we'll just so what's the city's thinking on raised crosswalks because for example the

00:53:43.600 --> 00:53:50.620
 Mayhill side path there are points where when if you're driving in your car and you're crossing

00:53:50.620 --> 00:53:57.640
 the side path you come up to meet the side path so it's like you have a bump kind of

00:53:57.640 --> 00:54:01.240
 before you potentially hit somebody and I think that visually you know kind of slows

00:54:01.240 --> 00:54:05.060
 people down they don't want that bumpy ride as they turn their car so they'll slow down

00:54:05.060 --> 00:54:09.640
 and be more careful crossing that and at other points it's not the side path comes down to

00:54:09.640 --> 00:54:16.280
 meet the road is there a standard for that decision or for now the design the standard

00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:24.200
 is that we consult first thing is that we consult our fire department and their guidance

00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:32.680
 on that is their equipment is not geared to traverse through these bumps or or tables

00:54:32.680 --> 00:54:39.200
 or there are many forms they come in so that's why I know that the standard practice that

00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:44.720
 we are following now is that at least we just say as long as fire department is not buying

00:54:44.720 --> 00:54:51.120
 that we will not go with in that direction but there are other uses to avoid that kind

00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:58.960
 of situation there are high lighters flashlights that glow as soon as the as soon as the pedestrian

00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:04.800
 or biker is crossing that they are in use in elementary schools as well in the neighborhoods

00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:10.400
 and they are successfully used in many areas because they provide some kind of caution

00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.280
 to the road users drivers.

00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:24.840
 Thanks for this presentation Farhan I'm glad to see you all are working on it and I really

00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:31.400
 appreciate that I did want to ask about or maybe just comment on the five foot sidewalk

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.800
 recommendation I haven't ever seen that recommended as a bike accommodation anywhere and I haven't

00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.320
 seen that really count for anything in terms of like becoming a bicycle friendly community

00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.080
 with the League of American Bicyclists.

00:55:45.080 --> 00:55:49.200
 People can use the sidewalks especially when they're really nervous but I'm certified to

00:55:49.200 --> 00:55:52.560
 teach bike safety classes and we're taught to tell people to stay off the sidewalk in

00:55:52.560 --> 00:55:57.320
 most cases because there's obstacles there's pedestrian conflicts drivers aren't looking

00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:02.640
 for you there and they don't expect somebody traveling that fast so I certainly don't want

00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:07.840
 anybody in the room to think that you know sidewalks is a bike accommodation and I definitely

00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:12.320
 don't want to send that message because I haven't seen cases where that's true.

00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:20.760
 Yes they are not and but the violations are there yeah because of the desperate situations

00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:26.000
 the bikers could get in I mean if you ride on 50 miles per hour facility or 40 miles

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:30.800
 per hour facility versus sidewalk so they will end up choosing sidewalk yeah so that's

00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.600
 the situation and then in other cases these sidewalks now standard five foot sidewalk

00:56:36.600 --> 00:56:44.320
 are now being converted to multi-use paths and therefore for a good reason because you

00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:49.840
 know this should not be I apologize I called it violation it is actually not a violation

00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:56.120
 we are forcing them to do that so I think in this case when the multi-use path is provided

00:56:56.120 --> 00:57:01.880
 that essentially means that we are providing a dedicated pedestrian walkway and as well

00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:09.560
 as a space for bikers as well they could ride the bike safely any other questions I have

00:57:09.560 --> 00:57:17.080
 more but we can go over there whatever you do in terms of the transportation criteria

00:57:17.080 --> 00:57:22.880
 manual update if y'all aren't already considering this if y'all could include considerations

00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:29.120
 for design speed so like the Mayhill side path has some sharp turns that seem to think

00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:32.880
 that everyone's walking rather than maybe moving a little more quickly so you know gentle

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:38.000
 curves things like that and then also considering non-standard bicycles so we have families

00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:43.160
 in town with cargo bikes which are long and a bit wide and maybe not as maneuverable so

00:57:43.160 --> 00:57:47.440
 I know this wasn't the city but like on the DCTA rail trail they installed some z-gate

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.000
 crossings at the crossings and those are really hard for somebody on a cargo bike or pulling

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.920
 kids in a bike trailer so if that could be included in the transportation criteria manual

00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:58.920
 updates too.

00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:04.840
 Yes we are looking into that as a matter of fact we are conducting vision zero phase two

00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:11.920
 implementation effort and one of the first requirement for safe systems approach and

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:17.720
 vision zero is to load the speeds and to look into well not load the speed but to review

00:58:17.720 --> 00:58:24.480
 the speeds so we will do that and as part of that process and then to that transportation

00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:30.600
 criteria manual and add it as an addendum so that is there and then of course for bike

00:58:30.600 --> 00:58:35.760
 lanes we are looking we are going to look at holistically through this shared mobility

00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.800
 study that we are planning to launch.

00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.600
 And when I just to clarify when I said design speeds I meant for the side path so considering

00:58:42.600 --> 00:58:47.640
 how quickly somebody on a bicycle travels versus walking and those standards should

00:58:47.640 --> 00:58:50.480
 be different between sidewalk and like a shared use path or something.

00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.640
 Okay we will look into that no issues.

00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:55.920
 And only other thing on transportation criteria manual and it looks like you all are already

00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.600
 thinking about it but where possible maybe we can consider intersection markings to suggest

00:59:00.600 --> 00:59:04.600
 oh there is a bike lane coming through here stuff like that.

00:59:04.600 --> 00:59:10.480
 Sure that will be that is already we are already reviewing that in process.

00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:18.960
 I had a question in regards to I guess the bumps speed bumps that's the basic term for

00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:30.480
 them and the use of those in HOAs is it are HOAs exempt from getting fire truck permission

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.680
 standards.

00:59:32.680 --> 00:59:37.600
 In my understanding if it becomes a public road which is maintained by city then they

00:59:37.600 --> 00:59:43.980
 are not they will have to be abiding by the city's code and there are some examples where

00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:48.720
 they requested there is at least two there are two examples where we visited and audited

00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:57.760
 the site and they were requesting certain changes but then we found out that the essential

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:06.440
 services and fire service would not be able to reach to the community or will have difficulty

01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:14.040
 because the equipment is very sensitive to bumps and it will probably damage their shocks

01:00:14.040 --> 01:00:19.520
 or whatever equipment is there to make them because the water load is so much that the

01:00:19.520 --> 01:00:21.000
 shocks won't be able to take it.

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.680
 So that's why I think in many cases if it becomes a public facility later on cities

01:00:26.680 --> 01:00:31.360
 maintaining it then yes cities code will apply.

01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:40.280
 Okay and if it is a private then they could they can do what they need to do okay.

01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:47.040
 And so when we're talking about bike lanes and we have those vehicles those bikes that

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:54.440
 also turn into motorbikes they could be bikes and then they can be motorbikes yes how is

01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:04.760
 the how is the the standard I guess so a person won't get a ticket you know if they're on

01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:11.800
 a motorcycle you know the bike is turned into a motorcycle bike am I saying that right ebikes

01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:22.240
 that's it how does the the law allow a e-bike in a bike path or are they now required to

01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:24.680
 be on the street?

01:01:24.680 --> 01:01:29.760
 They are called micro mobility options but they are since their speeds are faster they

01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:37.320
 are not considered usable at even at multi-use path they are to be used in well there is

01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:44.240
 no there's no criteria right now because it's a new tech newer technology and and cities

01:01:44.240 --> 01:01:50.880
 are trying to absorb it but they are typically allowed on road and due to differential speed

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:57.560
 speeds they are not allowed on multi-use path I can add to that okay so I know at the state

01:01:57.560 --> 01:02:02.920
 level they did identify three classes of ebikes and so it depends some of them you don't have

01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.800
 to pedal at all some you have to pedal to keep going and they all have a cap on the

01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.920
 speed that they are allowed to go otherwise if they go faster than like 28 miles an hour

01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:16.960
 something like that then it becomes a different type of vehicle all together and so those

01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:22.680
 are not ebikes anymore so ebikes are going to be about 28 miles an hour or below and

01:02:22.680 --> 01:02:29.620
 cities could as far as you know mac or somebody can correct me but cities have the ability

01:02:29.620 --> 01:02:35.360
 to if they want to say I mean we can set speed limits on paths if we want to so if that's

01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:40.120
 the concern because some people might have a nicer bike they can go a little faster and

01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:43.680
 if we want to still allow them to use that path but we don't want them going 28 miles

01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:48.080
 an hour we could say 20 mile per hour speed limit on this path or something like that

01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:54.640
 but the challenge with that is that the users they would just take their liberty assuming

01:02:54.640 --> 01:02:59.320
 that oh I'm not going to be faster and my mode is the ebike I'm using is not as fast

01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.960
 so there is a bit of challenge so for now I think I know that cities are allowing on

01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:10.000
 street and multi-use path wherever I've seen there are many speed related issues that are

01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:14.400
 coming and we'll have to face those issues as well at some point.

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:21.520
 That's why we are recommending that we have we clearly stripe pedestrian versus bikers

01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:22.520
 area.

01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:28.960
 I think class 2 is less than 28 miles an hour I think class 2 is I may be wrong Susie is

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:37.600
 the expert class 2 I believe is up to 20 miles with the motor and up to 28 miles with motor

01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:42.640
 and pedaling and I'll just throw in that I ride a electric ebike around that's the brand

01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:50.880
 name electric and during my rides with Susie who does not use ebikes she is faster than

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.880
 me.

01:03:51.880 --> 01:04:00.560
 I'm a big huge dude and my ebike does not get up to 28 miles per hour poor motor cannot

01:04:00.560 --> 01:04:01.560
 push my weight.

01:04:01.560 --> 01:04:04.360
 We could circle back as well if we need more information.

01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:05.360
 Circle back.

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:12.520
 Okay but thank you so you had some other questions so a couple of questions relating to sort

01:04:12.520 --> 01:04:21.240
 of these this where modes cross we haven't really addressed sort of raised crosswalks

01:04:21.240 --> 01:04:27.000
 they don't they don't have to be a speed bump but just raised that that can not necessarily

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:38.040
 throw out the shocks of emergency vehicles but or inhibit them but clearly an engineering

01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:44.820
 difference at an intersection what's what's what do we say about those kinds of changes.

01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:50.080
 If you need details on that I would just definitely research it and then and get back to you and

01:04:50.080 --> 01:04:52.760
 circle back to you in the next mobility committee meeting.

01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:58.880
 Yeah we could look into what what design requirements they have and what what different types are

01:04:58.880 --> 01:04:59.880
 there.

01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:05.240
 I appreciate that so then I'll add on to that slightly and that is I mean yeah I understand

01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:10.040
 speed bumps because they're what six inches or whatever above the road grade but speed

01:05:10.040 --> 01:05:16.200
 cushions are an inch or two they often have emergency vehicle tracks in them you know

01:05:16.200 --> 01:05:20.880
 our rumble strips are what are they three-quarters of an inch or something they're not throwing

01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:30.520
 anybody's you know vehicles out of alignment but they are clearly creating an engineering

01:05:30.520 --> 01:05:40.380
 response to speeds and and and different use conflicts so I if we could include some updates

01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:47.840
 about the use of those those lower height uses we will have to have that as well we

01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:53.040
 will do that I just want to point out that something like that does exist in the city

01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:59.920
 of Den on central village drive in a neighborhood off of south 77 there is kind of the intersection

01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:04.340
 that's at the entrance to their neighborhood that's entirely raised and so you just go

01:06:04.340 --> 01:06:08.900
 up like two or three inches into the intersection and that kind of signifies hey you're entering

01:06:08.900 --> 01:06:12.600
 or leaving the neighborhood speeds need to change and then it just dips off on the other

01:06:12.600 --> 01:06:13.600
 side of the intersection.

01:06:13.600 --> 01:06:28.000
 That's on central village off of south 77 yeah yeah and just on the end on those bollards

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:36.680
 are on those intersection conditions and separation issues I love that y'all are being really

01:06:36.680 --> 01:06:44.080
 proactive and sort of experimental on Hector and Old North and Parkway please continue

01:06:44.080 --> 01:06:51.440
 to do that but then I'm going to pass along questions as we do these sorts of use separations

01:06:51.440 --> 01:07:00.600
 and intersection separations it is a almost a weekly question of when we did our bollards

01:07:00.600 --> 01:07:11.720
 on Old North where we're trying to manage the the park/sharrow and buffer combination

01:07:11.720 --> 01:07:19.960
 why why I guess the question is bollard placement what's what's the goals and criteria and for

01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:24.080
 bollard placement because one of the things that pops up on Old North all the time is

01:07:24.080 --> 01:07:29.600
 why is the furthest in bollard the furthest towards the intersection rather than the other

01:07:29.600 --> 01:07:39.040
 way around because they have displaced bollards that ends up making all the cars clip them

01:07:39.040 --> 01:07:44.760
 and y'all are always out on an engaged dent ticket putting a new bollard in like you know

01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:50.520
 it's a weekly occurrence kind of thing so we might save a little cash and but if there's

01:07:50.520 --> 01:07:57.000
 an engineering reason and and so I guess the general question is engineering wise what

01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.440
 are the standards and we can get back to that in the future for for bollard placement then

01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:07.640
 but then specifically for Old North why why are we doing it in that way we will let me

01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:12.440
 audit that area and then I'll get a circle back again with more information on that item

01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:16.840
 as well I appreciate that thank you that's all you know while you while you all are talking

01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:22.760
 I'm thinking that they're probably placed that way to encourage people to slow down

01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:27.740
 when they're making those turn and that may be because people want to cut short big wide

01:08:27.740 --> 01:08:33.080
 turns and you know you don't want to clip a cyclist I have suggested that to people

01:08:33.080 --> 01:08:36.800
 but I have to come back and say I'm not a road engineer and I don't know that that's

01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:43.400
 the reason that he did it yes ma'am only final comment I wanted that was not related to that

01:08:43.400 --> 01:08:49.480
 but sort of I guess I I know in past staff have considered but maybe not looked into

01:08:49.480 --> 01:08:54.520
 fully the possibility of us becoming either a member or an affiliate of the National Association

01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:58.200
 of city transportation officials and I saw you showed us a lot of pictures from their

01:08:58.200 --> 01:09:05.080
 site so you know I'd love us to look into the possibility of maybe becoming more involved

01:09:05.080 --> 01:09:10.840
 with them maybe adopting some of their standards which you were showing us on the screen some

01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.320
 Texas member cities are Austin Houston and San Antonio and then some affiliates are Fort

01:09:15.320 --> 01:09:19.800
 Worth and El Paso so I noticed those are all larger cities so I don't know what it entails

01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:24.440
 to get more involved with them but maybe you know we'll have this discussion get started

01:09:24.440 --> 01:09:29.360
 in our division and I think probably we'll have to discuss with Scott as well and Cassie

01:09:29.360 --> 01:09:37.480
 about that thank you any other questions any other questions all right thank you so much

01:09:37.480 --> 01:09:47.940
 it is a little bit after 11 o'clock so we're gonna just kind of spend this time just kind

01:09:47.940 --> 01:09:53.240
 of perusing through some of these topics here and if there's any of you all that have any

01:09:53.240 --> 01:09:59.000
 any questions regarding anything that you see listed that's written out this is your

01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:08.400
 opportunity to ask questions question and answer time yes sir so on the item for the

01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:18.360
 interchange of near sage oak 382 a interchange we discussed the completion of the side paths

01:10:18.360 --> 01:10:24.760
 along sage oak up up to the 7-eleven up to the intersection and then I think we're nearly

01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:32.720
 complete from the from odb to the south but there may be some gaps but there's one notable

01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:39.320
 gap and that's on our own property at the old DME staging field and and so I guess the

01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:44.640
 general question is for this entire thing is could we get some follow-up information

01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:53.960
 about us where we are at stitching the entire side path pathway together sure Trevor crane

01:10:53.960 --> 01:11:00.720
 director of capital projects so that project is almost completed with design and so we

01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:05.480
 won't be completing all of those gaps filling in the entire entire section all the way from

01:11:05.480 --> 01:11:12.640
 380 down to McKinney and that's going to include lighting or not include light not lighting

01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:21.960
 for that section though sir okay oh while he's looking for the other question I have a question

01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:36.240
 in regards to land ownership and responsibilities and sidewalks are just a for clarification

01:11:36.240 --> 01:11:41.480
 most of the time when there's not a sidewalk that's that that land is owned by private

01:11:41.480 --> 01:11:49.480
 people and then we run into a public space like you know our shelter area what is the

01:11:49.480 --> 01:11:59.760
 obligation of us you know requiring them to you know feeling in or it sounds like we're

01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:08.040
 taking on the responsibility for feeling in for private spaces is that what I'm hearing

01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:13.800
 sure so a couple of different things there typically if it's a private you know private

01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:19.640
 landowner if they come in to develop that then that will be a part of the development

01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:22.880
 process we will require them to put in and make that connection put in that sidewalk

01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:27.400
 as a part of the development if we get to a point to where we're wanting the city is

01:12:27.400 --> 01:12:33.320
 wanting to connect that such as along 28 then we will come in and buy that property and

01:12:33.320 --> 01:12:39.800
 connect that ourselves so it's kind of a timing issue depending on if we if we want to wait

01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.880
 for the development to come in and do it for us or if we come in and purchase that property

01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.200
 and make that connection similar to what we're doing on McKinney filling in those spots and

01:12:49.200 --> 01:12:53.360
 then a long loop to 88 so it really comes down to a timing issue as to kind of who gets

01:12:53.360 --> 01:13:00.480
 there first and where we want to how we want to move that forward I know that that there's

01:13:00.480 --> 01:13:07.400
 been discussion on at the City Council level in regards to McKinney Street between Woodrow

01:13:07.400 --> 01:13:16.440
 and 288 and so I understand that there you all were going to design some kind of pathway

01:13:16.440 --> 01:13:25.080
 but we still have private landowners out there with those extend over across this will be

01:13:25.080 --> 01:13:29.520
 one of the things that you're talking about extending that pathway across their property

01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:35.200
 correct so that project was approved as part of our CIP last year the McKinney sidewalks

01:13:35.200 --> 01:13:41.320
 and so it's currently under design and we will be if we're evaluating the sections that

01:13:41.320 --> 01:13:44.720
 are private property and so if we need to go purchase right away to make those connections

01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:49.680
 we will as a part of that project but that's currently under design right now and I'm just

01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:54.600
 asking that question you know for the folks out there that you know they just don't know

01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:59.120
 that hey when the land is not developed the city is not going to come and put necessarily

01:13:59.120 --> 01:14:06.920
 come and put a file correct but in this case for Luke 288 you know the traffic is just

01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:14.480
 astounding you know between you know in in these areas so you know I appreciate the the

01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:18.160
 opportunity for us to do that right and that's one of those things that we consider as a

01:14:18.160 --> 01:14:24.200
 part of that that PPI score that how we evaluate sidewalk sections so we call them goat paths

01:14:24.200 --> 01:14:28.600
 but you see where people are actually traversing in the in the grass and so those are those

01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:32.560
 are one of the things that we take into account as we evaluate those different sections of

01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:42.200
 sidewalk thank you so much yes ma'am yes for for the staff member and in part of this

01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:47.520
 do you want all the questions now or just the staff member in the questions I just want

01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:52.900
 the staff member random questions right here okay so then my last question on that before

01:14:52.900 --> 01:14:57.240
 we get to the I mean I'm sorry let me let me tricks and everything together no I'm just

01:14:57.240 --> 01:15:02.500
 trying to get through the part that's written here that's a staff memorandum part yeah that's

01:15:02.500 --> 01:15:09.320
 what I want to do yeah yeah I did have one more for this section okay and I appreciate

01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:14.160
 the the clarity that we had on that lying in landscaping for construction projects the

01:15:14.160 --> 01:15:23.360
 next of one of the last sections of the response but from the the goals of that that was about

01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:30.260
 landscaping goals for given the limitations that we have but still the goals that we wish

01:15:30.260 --> 01:15:42.980
 to attain the if we looked into and it came up today in both talking about bike paths

01:15:42.980 --> 01:15:48.680
 in coloring the the asphalts themselves and I've sort of hinted at it in earlier meetings

01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:55.560
 but are we investigating any heat island mitigation areas where we can't control the street trees

01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.500
 for one reason or another but we still wish to attain our sustainability goals are we

01:15:59.500 --> 01:16:06.480
 looking at pavement additives in those areas that are more reflective better you know you

01:16:06.480 --> 01:16:12.560
 know less heat island inducing yeah so I'll say we're definitely starting to get into

01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:17.080
 that so we're always looking at new technologies different things that you can you know add

01:16:17.080 --> 01:16:21.600
 into concrete or you know even for drainage there's permeable pavement and things of that

01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:29.080
 nature so that it all kind of ties in to you know our sustainability initiatives those

01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:33.320
 type of from that department so those are absolutely things that we're looking at I

01:16:33.320 --> 01:16:38.040
 don't think we have any projects where we've initiated are incorporated into that yet but

01:16:38.040 --> 01:16:42.240
 as we start looking through those items working with our different stakeholders to see you

01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:46.880
 know what those things are how if they still meet the specifications and standards that

01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.640
 we're trying to meet those are absolutely conversations we're having with those different

01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:56.680
 stakeholders as we as we design these projects I appreciate that I think there's sometimes

01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:02.000
 we can kill the same bird with a different stone absolutely yeah we're always open to

01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:07.560
 looking at new and new and that's not very sustainable of me I'm sorry about that I get

01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:19.040
 to hear that all the time with my last name you're going to kill two birds with one stone

01:17:19.040 --> 01:17:23.680
 yeah look at it see he's the main one look out his lap minor just clarification question

01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:29.000
 so on neighborhood 5b and I have three questions total um a neighborhood 5b it says that the

01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:33.600
 construction timeline is about a year and a half to me that sounded short for drainage

01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:37.080
 and streets so I just wanted to clarify that's the drainage and the street one and a half

01:17:37.080 --> 01:17:44.680
 years it is so um 5b let me make sure I'm not going to confuse it with the oakland oakland

01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:51.840
 yes so 5b is a part of the 2019 bond package um oakland drainage is was approved as part

01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:56.280
 of the 2023 bond since it's all kind of combined together we we're going to put those projects

01:17:56.280 --> 01:18:04.480
 together I'll put it out as a seamar um yes that time it is both um there are some other

01:18:04.480 --> 01:18:08.600
 things we're considering right now with the retention pond and some other conversations

01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.600
 so that timeline may change but as of right now we're moving forward with the current

01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:18.560
 timeline that we sent forward or that we presented here and that that is correct okay thank you

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:23.720
 my other question is what is seamar I haven't heard that one before so seamar is a is actually

01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:29.400
 stands for construction manager at risk it is a project delivery method the main difference

01:18:29.400 --> 01:18:33.540
 in that versus kind of the other ways that we deliver projects is instead of waiting

01:18:33.540 --> 01:18:38.440
 until we get to 100 percent design and then bidding it out to a contractor we're actually

01:18:38.440 --> 01:18:43.800
 bringing a contractor in at zero percent and having them help us design those projects

01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:49.160
 so bringing in their expertise kind of identifying risk helping with value engineering those types

01:18:49.160 --> 01:18:54.080
 of things typically it's used for you know larger projects that have a lot of complexities

01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:59.340
 to it so it made a lot of sense to use it in this with that drainage piece and kind

01:18:59.340 --> 01:19:02.840
 of the environment and those types of things that we're going to be delivering this project

01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:07.400
 in so just a different type of project delivery method thank you and then my final question

01:19:07.400 --> 01:19:13.000
 is on the interchange 380 slash loop 288 I think that's on the other page I read it and

01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:19.000
 I was a little unclear is tech stock planning to build side paths as part of the project

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:25.400
 so yeah this question came up actually about some escrow issues and then some sidewalk

01:19:25.400 --> 01:19:30.440
 issues to build that so text dot we talked with text dot they don't currently have any

01:19:30.440 --> 01:19:36.280
 any money in escrow or anything I actually spoke with these residents and they were not

01:19:36.280 --> 01:19:41.320
 as sure that the escrow was taken they had some turnover they were mainly concerned about

01:19:41.320 --> 01:19:47.960
 the sidewalk being placed from 380 down to down to McKinney and so that that's actually

01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:54.200
 a city of Denton project that we are delivering so the city is putting in side paths yes correct

01:19:54.200 --> 01:19:58.760
 text not doing that no even though they allegedly do or is the timeline just not right on that

01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:03.960
 for them to the time yeah that that project was already already completed all right thank

01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:11.480
 you that's it yes ma'am okay um did you have any questions uh I am don't have any particular

01:20:11.480 --> 01:20:19.720
 questions uh my my questions are it my primary question is and if you just explain to us

01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:32.040
 how does a city or state or county make a decision to put trees in medians I may have

01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:40.200
 even asked this question before to put trees in medians and lights in medians and or not

01:20:40.200 --> 01:20:48.440
 how does how is that determined is it and are trees more aesthetic or is it more environmental

01:20:49.160 --> 01:20:56.040
 so I can only speak to the city portion of that okay um so that's dictated by our criteria

01:20:56.040 --> 01:21:01.640
 manuals and so I think trees definitely have multiple reasons why you would put it in one

01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:07.560
 is aesthetics you know it looks it looks great for um you know being out there but also heat islands

01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:17.720
 things that um you know co-chair uh back brought up um I didn't yeah so you I mean you know because

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:23.960
 you know because some areas can be very dark correct with no trees or anything and then some

01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:31.400
 areas are beautifully lit with or without trees you know and that could be just any space on any

01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:40.600
 street why why why not the consistency of even just aesthetically aesthetics how does that work

01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:46.200
 sure I'll I'll talk to some of the aesthetic part first since that's the question

01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:52.520
 before yeah that's a good that's a good question uh angel manglis development

01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:58.840
 review manager over in the planning department okay um so street trees as the the information

01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:04.120
 sheet kind of explained there are three different types of of streets our city capital improvement

01:22:04.120 --> 01:22:08.040
 built streets the the private ones that are constructed as part of a development and then

01:22:08.040 --> 01:22:14.840
 our our tech stop uh the ones we have most kind of control over is when uh private development is

01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:19.080
 constructing a street either internally or part of the perimeter of the development we have our

01:22:19.080 --> 01:22:25.960
 street tree requirements in the development code which requires one tree per every 30 linear feet

01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:33.320
 of street frontage those are required to be spaced at intervals between 25 and 50 feet we

01:22:33.320 --> 01:22:41.160
 encourage not any closer nor further apart partially for the aesthetic part however when you do see

01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:46.840
 differences in that spacing or possibly even the location a lot of that is going to be driven by

01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:52.040
 utility placement so we do have to maintain certain separations from underground utilities

01:22:52.040 --> 01:22:56.760
 as well as being mindful of overhead electric lines to make sure that those trees are going to

01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:04.280
 stay in a safe area that's not going to impact that later down the line text dot doesn't typically

01:23:04.280 --> 01:23:10.200
 allow street trees in there in the right of way as noted in this memo but there are some occasions

01:23:10.200 --> 01:23:14.920
 where we have maintenance agreements to allow for some landscaping within the medians but again

01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:22.200
 taller trees are going to become a possible site visibility issue as well as being mindful of any

01:23:22.200 --> 01:23:27.000
 utilities that are in the area though that's kind of how some of those decisions are are made and

01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.720
 they're um they're looked at as each project comes in to ensure we're meeting those spacing

01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:38.600
 requirements as well as meeting just the minimum numbers we require sure and so whenever there's

01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:45.480
 trees put out in the medians is it the same type of tree or there's certain

01:23:45.480 --> 01:23:51.480
 you know i know there's i've noticed this different kind of trees and just you know plainly

01:23:51.480 --> 01:23:58.760
 speaking in layperson's mindset why are there different types of trees we do actually encourage

01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:05.800
 uh biodiversity uh for a number of reasons one for some variety but also in the event that there

01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:13.400
 were to be some tree specific disease it wouldn't wipe out an entire area's street trees maintaining

01:24:13.400 --> 01:24:20.600
 some of that biodiversity is a goal of ours all right anybody else have any other questions i was

01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:26.520
 just kind of floating out there in the atmosphere all right well if there are not any additional

01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:32.680
 questions um are there any additional comments that we need to make oh you have a question

01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:38.920
 yeah now are we going on to the the matrix section chair uh the matrix section uh i'm

01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:46.360
 we have the um construction update timeline first is the exhibit two in case you had any questions

01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:51.880
 on that one did you um we don't have a you know pull it up you don't have a you can pull it up

01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:59.320
 i'll wait until we get the images and then we have what are you talking about number three

01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:08.760
 future items future okay that's what i mean by the nature okay so there's a timeline

01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:15.240
 this schedule you saw this last time so nothing has changed since the last time you saw anybody

01:25:15.240 --> 01:25:21.400
 else okay i just want to say i i really love this edition thank you staff for putting this in this

01:25:21.400 --> 01:25:29.000
 is all really helpful i i've been able to answer a lot of community questions by looking at having

01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:34.520
 this available to me so thank you yeah it's a nice visual uh and if there's not any questions in that

01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:42.600
 regards i guess we can go to future items on there anybody have any future items you don't have any

01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:51.240
 did you have any future items okay so um i do have a couple i know that we had um we we're asking to

01:25:51.240 --> 01:25:59.240
 get rid of the first item but it's not clear to me that that that item is not that's actually done

01:25:59.240 --> 01:26:06.440
 so i i recognize that we've done a lot of updates on that one but i feel like you know until we get

01:26:06.440 --> 01:26:13.080
 to a final alignment and we're actually proceeding forward i'd like that one to kind of tacitly stay

01:26:13.080 --> 01:26:18.440
 on even though i recognize that you sort of you did mostly answer but there's sort of some

01:26:18.440 --> 01:26:23.640
 outstanding pieces we can we can leave that one on i heard a couple of more discussion about it

01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:31.160
 today so we'll leave it we leave that item on and uh then then the other thing is i know and this is

01:26:31.160 --> 01:26:38.360
 this is we're just like hot in the middle of it because we have the the community uh engagement

01:26:38.360 --> 01:26:47.080
 meetings on uh the windsor potential extension which i think is coming up very soon item 12

01:26:47.080 --> 01:26:57.720
 sort of yeah um but uh do we have in in both the talks and today i didn't see any updates on

01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:04.680
 on uh sort of let dates and completion dates and things so if we could you know i know this one

01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:10.680
 isn't done but if we could include that those those kinds of timelines like i just praised you

01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:17.320
 know a minute and a half ago i'd appreciate that um and if get re-brought up at the meeting scott

01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:24.200
 on the 28th i'd love that um unless you want to answer it now i i don't know who knows what

01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:31.800
 uh but i also can wait i don't think it's super urgent and the last thing i wanted to add to the

01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:39.320
 matrix is um i i love that we're seeing cassie here all the time because we're inserting it at

01:27:39.320 --> 01:27:47.640
 the high level but i guess the uh do we have an eta on on uh vacancy updates uh we have bike pad

01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:53.960
 and and farhan has come on recently and and the replacement of the city engineer and those sorts

01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:58.920
 of things so it doesn't have to be today but if it could be today that'd be cool otherwise i'd like

01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:04.200
 love to have a vacancy update i was going to add something to the next meeting because i was hoping

01:28:04.200 --> 01:28:10.360
 to have an update for everyone by the next meeting who will be i mean i love having you here cassie

01:28:10.360 --> 01:28:12.920
 like also i'm really feeling the love today

01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:24.040
 um my i'm looking at number 13 there november 14 20 cmo transportation services

01:28:24.040 --> 01:28:36.360
 uh division report uh last update was on february the 28th um second quarter um provide in the city

01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:43.320
 quarter second quarter we are planning to provide you quarterly updates um of that division's kind

01:28:43.320 --> 01:28:49.960
 of work in progress so that's it'll we're proposing to keep that on and just add it as a quarterly

01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:57.480
 update to this committee now um what about dcta um and that's really what what you know brought

01:28:57.480 --> 01:29:05.000
 me this to mind when i saw transportation services out of the cmo uh is this going to i haven't we

01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:11.800
 haven't heard from dcta in in a minute but of course my time frame is off on everything

01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:20.200
 since i'm retired um don't have to keep up with dates too much um what what do we what do we uh

01:29:20.200 --> 01:29:29.000
 decided about dcta and them uh connecting with the city and giving us some updates or

01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:34.040
 how is that gonna work for us what's the outlook i believe we still have it penciled in for dcta

01:29:34.040 --> 01:29:39.240
 to give council quarterly updates okay um i'm not aware of them providing this committee

01:29:39.240 --> 01:29:44.120
 right because we moved them from here yes because we moved it over to council yeah okay so that's

01:29:44.120 --> 01:29:51.480
 where we're going to uh and so we're not gonna see that here uh to let us know to to be on a lookout

01:29:51.480 --> 01:29:59.320
 for uh i can add it if as an upcoming kind of that'll be nice highlight that it may when it's

01:29:59.320 --> 01:30:05.080
 scheduled for council that'll be nice i would appreciate that so we can just uh prepare our

01:30:05.080 --> 01:30:14.200
 mindset for that all right anything else everyone's okay okay uh if there is not any additional

01:30:14.200 --> 01:30:23.240
 information to be given now we're going to go to our um is there a uh concluding item

01:30:23.240 --> 01:30:29.240
 anybody have any concluding items okay if there's not any concluding items then we are going to

01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:39.400
 close out the meeting at 11 30 um and thank you all for visiting thank you everybody