1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,720 Good morning, everyone. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,500 We are here at the mobility committee. 3 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:12,400 Today is Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 10 a.m. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,560 We're here in the city's council work session room. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,540 We have determined that a quorum has been reached. 6 00:00:20,540 --> 00:00:25,640 We are going to start with our citizens' comment on any agenda items. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,840 Have you all heard of any citizens' comments or the agenda items, okay? 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,680 So we'll go to number two, items for individual consideration. 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:46,680 MC2 -- before I start that, I do want to make a note very early on that for item D, MC24-006, 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:53,720 we have this information that has been sent to the committee on this -- in this area. 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,920 So what we're going to do is we're going to ask for you all to click on those items and 12 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,360 get those updates there, like we have done. 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:09,680 So we're not going to spend any time going through those visuals, but we will set it 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,480 up for us to ask any questions if we have any from the committee. 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:23,680 So going back up to item A, MC24-005, consider approval of the minutes of February 28, 2024. 16 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Do we have any -- can we get a motion for approval? 17 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,400 >> Approve approval. 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,400 >> Okay. 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,400 Any second? 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,400 Any second? 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,400 Any second? 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,400 Okay. 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,400 So we've got a second that. 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,800 Do we have any discussion of anything? 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,640 All right. 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,520 So let's get a vote for approval. 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,520 Raise your hand. 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,520 Okay. 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,560 It's been moved and approved. 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:53,440 MC24-007, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton Transportation 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Mobility Project status update. 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Good morning. 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,880 >> Good morning. 34 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,800 Let's see if I can work this. 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Is it on the second one? 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,400 >> Second tab. 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,400 >> At the top? 38 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,400 >> Second. 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,400 >> Second tab. 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Why didn't you say that? 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Okay. 42 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,440 John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions. 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,360 We'll be going over these projects fairly quickly today because we went through them 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:32,200 fairly thoroughly last month and I don't want to take all of y'all's time again. 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Again, 35 North is a project from -- I'll show you the map from basically the Fort Worth 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Drive 77 -- I mean the 77 Drive impact at the -- right by the truck stop north all the 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,440 way to the county line and it's being built in three phases, all of them which are funded 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,840 at a little over $800 million. 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:03,200 And you'll see the yellow is in the utility zones and mostly what we've done since we 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,480 met last with y'all is updated what we are in the utilities, City of Denton is the most 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:15,080 important, it's clear in those segments and so they are on track for their various let 52 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:22,400 dates between '24 and '27 and those are in those years because that's where those dollar 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:29,000 amounts are for those various CSJs. 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,120 Just plugging away on the utilities on that. 55 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:40,720 The merge, let's April 4th and it'll go from the $2.35 up to $2.77, it's about a little 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:48,280 over $480 million and when it goes under the knife it will not be pleasant in that section 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,940 of the city. 58 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:59,600 And so if it goes -- when they let April 4th, when it lets April 4th, it'll probably be 59 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,680 about 60 days before you actually see the contractor out because they have to get their 60 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:11,600 contract signed, their bond documents in, mobilize and then so you'll probably start 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,200 seeing them in the summer, early part of the summer, actually start putting your barricades 62 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:26,560 up, your SW3P fences, your storm water prevention, that's what SW3P is, is those fences that 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,120 they put up to keep the silt from coming out and so you'll see a lot of staging, a lot 64 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:38,640 of moving into their sites for their offices, but probably by the end of summer you'll start 65 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,760 to see heavy activity in the corridor. 66 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Awesome. 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Excuse me? 68 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,760 I said awesome. 69 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,480 Oh, I'm not usually getting positive feedback. 70 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,000 No, I meant that, I'm happy. 71 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:07,640 Okay, so the Mayo job, the utilities are progressing, that's the major critical path, all the utilities 72 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,880 are on track for completion in the November timeframe, but the funding for this project 73 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:20,800 is in the June 2025 let date so we probably won't be able to get that moved up, but what's 74 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:26,440 also happening at the same time is your project on May Hill is scheduled to be completed around 75 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:34,160 October, November, so that gives us a little bit of a reprieve and then 12 months later 76 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,800 we come back and start all over again. 77 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,400 And we have coordinated with TechStat since our last meeting and the county to let them 78 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,600 know that we will be progressing the segment of May Hill between the 35 job and your Colorado 79 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:56,640 project as a regional total revenue project, we'll do it like what we're doing in Lewisville, 80 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:03,520 where it's different funding category, but it'll be let with the 35 project. 81 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Okay. 82 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,960 When you say reconstruct the interchange there, will you be changing the design of that or 83 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,280 will it just be a- Yeah, so right now it's a, I think two, three 84 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:25,760 lanes go under, two through and a continuous left, and there's six lanes of traffic going 85 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,440 over the May Hill. 86 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,640 This will look like Luke 288, where you've got a huge interchange there and it will have 87 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:42,080 12 lanes going under, six general purpose lanes, four turning lanes, and two Texas U-turns 88 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,720 on either end. 89 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:51,240 And then we will build the ultimate section on the bridge structure, which will include 90 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:58,240 the six general purpose lanes and the four toll manage lanes for the future when the 91 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,160 toll manage lanes come through up to 380. 92 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,800 So it'll be fairly significant. 93 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:12,960 And we go all the way north to the Luke 288 intersection and at Brinker, we flip one of 94 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,960 the frontage roads so that it goes up even with the main lanes and back down. 95 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,080 So if you're going from exiting May Hill to get to Luke 288, you won't have to stop at 96 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,720 the Brinker light going north. 97 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,120 And if you exit 288 trying to get to May Hill, you won't have to stop at a light at Brinker 98 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,120 going south. 99 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,000 So they'll have one frontage road go to the signal, and then one frontage road go up and 100 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,360 over and bypass the signal in both directions. 101 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,080 Very significant improvements. 102 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Once this is done, this whole L area is going to open up. 103 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,880 My husband just texted me and said, "Yay." 104 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,880 You got to remember people are watching. 105 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Okay, 35W frontage roads. 106 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,520 This is called the middle section because, like I told you last month, nobody wants to 107 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:04,560 build a section from 2449 up to a railroad track because it's just basically a drainage 108 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,560 job. 109 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Right now, there's no funding. 110 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:15,160 But after this unified transportation plan is approved in August, there will be funding 111 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,600 allocated to this project. 112 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:25,120 And we will start to segment what portions of those frontage roads need to be built first. 113 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:33,280 We're looking at somewhere around 188 to 204 million of the 423 million. 114 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,720 So what we'll end up doing is finding those segments that are most critical and then build 115 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,680 not only the frontage roads, but if there are interchanges in that particular segment 116 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:47,400 that we choose, we'll build the full future grade separation in that area as well. 117 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:55,760 So if we're at 2449, we'll do that; if we're at 407, we'll do that; Crawford and Robeson, 118 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,560 we'll do that with it. 119 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:04,320 And it's got a ready to let of September 2025, which means all the stuff that we need 120 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:10,880 to get done is ready to go and we'll coordinate with city staff. 121 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:16,880 Scott's pretty good at letting me know what he wants financially and we'll identify places 122 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,160 to start. 123 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Did I hear you say you thought it was about 60% drainage? 124 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Is that what I was hearing? 125 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:31,960 No, this segment from 2449 up, if you look at the two projects, the merge and this one, 126 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,640 there's a gap. 127 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,560 So when I call it 35W middle, everybody goes, "Well, it's the northern half. 128 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:40,560 Why is it called middle?" 129 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,640 Well, we're leaving that little piece out because it's just a drainage job. 130 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,760 And so there's no development that attaches there. 131 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,280 So the four lanes that are there will stay there. 132 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,280 Okay. 133 00:09:54,280 --> 00:10:00,340 Appreciate that, thank you. 134 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:05,260 So this is the 380 job from 288 out to 377. 135 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:07,280 It's essentially substantially complete. 136 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:16,820 They're just basically doing cleanup on some of the peripheral stuff, the pedestrian rails, 137 00:10:16,820 --> 00:10:22,440 the striping, some of what I call the farming, where they're putting this grass and stuff 138 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,360 out to make it grow. 139 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,800 And there will be daily lane closures, but essentially the six-lane divided facility 140 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,840 is open to traffic. 141 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Yeah, so this is wrapping up. 142 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:42,280 We're all done, but the dotting of the I's, and so how much delay do you think there'll 143 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,160 be before the bypass project? 144 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Just an estimate. 145 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,000 I'm not asking to pin you down, but are we looking at a year or a year or two, because 146 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,960 sort of like when do we stop and start? 147 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:02,040 Because that feels pretty close in the scheme of things, but not really. 148 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,180 So I'm moving to the bypass that you were talking about, and we're looking at being 149 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:10,100 environmentally clear next year. 150 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:18,120 So what that means is we've got the schematic approved and the environmental process completed, 151 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,480 and the alignment is set and established. 152 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,820 And so what'll happen, probably starting the first part of 2025, is TextDOT will retain 153 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:32,880 a firm to begin what's the right-of-way acquisition, and then depending upon how long they think 154 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,040 that'll take, they will start utility relocations. 155 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Because when they fund the right-of-way on a project, it comes out of a different bucket 156 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,200 than their constrained construction bucket. 157 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,520 It's a bucket that is statewide, so whoever's fastest gets the mostest. 158 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,900 And so North Texas is always usually the fastest. 159 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:57,980 So when you get right-of-way money for a project, you also get the utility relocation dollars. 160 00:11:57,980 --> 00:12:02,180 So if they start the right-of-way, then right on behind that, they'll start the utility 161 00:12:02,180 --> 00:12:03,180 relocations. 162 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:08,360 And the reason they do it staggered is because a lot of times the utilities need to be in 163 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,520 TextDOT right-of-way, the future right-of-way, and so the state has to buy the right-of-way 164 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,640 first for them to be able to move. 165 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:25,000 So you're talking probably 27 before we actually start constructing any of this, and that's 166 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:34,320 assuming I come up with $92 million somewhere, which I will when it always works out. 167 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,120 It does, it works out. 168 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:42,560 For staff, I think we just need to integrate tightly with the businesses and the residences 169 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:51,040 in that corridor, so we minimize start and stop on those folks. 170 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,040 So the other loop... 171 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Excuse me. 172 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Oh, do I... 173 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,040 Where am I supposed to be? 174 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,040 Go back to the bridge. 175 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Yeah. 176 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,040 That's right there. 177 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,040 That's good. 178 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:06,840 And you can even go to the summary there, because I had a question about the summary 179 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:07,840 area. 180 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,840 Where's my mouse? 181 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,840 This one or this one? 182 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:10,840 It's the next page. 183 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,840 That page right there. 184 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,840 This one? 185 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,840 Yeah. 186 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:14,840 Okay. 187 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:27,240 I was going to ask about the, I guess, the edge of the roadway that have those concrete 188 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,140 barriers there. 189 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:38,880 When you talk about the pedestrian rail, pedestrians are going to be able to walk across the bridge, 190 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,800 and there is some railing that I kind of noticed, but wasn't really paying attention to. 191 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Is that the permanent railing that we're talking about? 192 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Yes. 193 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,400 So if you're talking about the very outside... 194 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Yeah, the very outside. 195 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,400 I would cross over the lake. 196 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Yeah. 197 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:58,040 The concrete barrier there is a concrete barrier to preclude vehicles from... 198 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Right. 199 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,920 Then on top of that, they put a ped rail, because people are taller in general than 200 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:04,920 cars are. 201 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Right. 202 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,560 So that's the ability to fall over by putting a ped rail along the concrete barrier. 203 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,600 And how wide is that sidewalk? 204 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 They're usually five and a half, six feet. 205 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,720 Oh, is that so wide? 206 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,400 At least five feet, but typically they're six on a state facility. 207 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:22,400 And that's required. 208 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,360 I mean, the state has been doing it lately anyway, but the feds require us to include 209 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,280 sidewalks on everything we build. 210 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Right. 211 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,280 That's what I'm saying. 212 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Do you think people have an opportunity to safely ride a bike across there? 213 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Is that... 214 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Have you all thought of... 215 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:38,960 I can't answer that question. 216 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:39,960 Is that a bike? 217 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Oh, we have the bike person. 218 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,360 I've ridden from Mayhill along 380 just past the green belt, because I wanted to see how 219 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,360 far it goes. 220 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 And there was some railing on the outside to prevent me from falling in the water that 221 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,800 was still incomplete. 222 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,800 It was just wood. 223 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,920 And you could tell they weren't done with that yet, but yeah, I mean, it's a little 224 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,360 uncomfortable because fast traffic, but I mean, yes, I can get to the... 225 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,160 They can get to the green belt at this point. 226 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,120 On the north side, there's a 10 foot shared use path from 288 all the way to the green 227 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,120 belt. 228 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,360 And that was something that the city was very instrumental in getting done. 229 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Okay. 230 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,440 So that's pretty nice. 231 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:25,200 And there is like a little driveway that people use to fish. 232 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,200 For fishing. 233 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,200 It's still there. 234 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Is that going to be affected by any of this project at all? 235 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,200 They reconstructed it. 236 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,760 I'm not sure what that driveway's for. 237 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,080 It may be a Corps of Engineers access point, but it was there when the project started, 238 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,400 so they had to put it back. 239 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Okay. 240 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,160 And yeah, just starting at the middle of March to about the middle of April is when the sand 241 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,080 bass run, and that's why you see all those vehicles up there. 242 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Pecan Creek's running right behind my house, and so people are always cutting through my 243 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,720 property to get to the creek on the Corp. 244 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,720 That's how I know when the fish start running, when people start trespassing. 245 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,200 And the other thing is that median, I may have asked this question last month and forgotten 246 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:16,600 the answer, but that median is just the same color as the roadway and at night. 247 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Is there going to be any kind of improvement or some breaks or something? 248 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,200 That median is the median. 249 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,000 I don't know if the city has, I'll have to go look to see if the plans call for any kind 250 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 of aesthetic. 251 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Recreation. 252 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Right. 253 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,760 A lot of times the city will come in with some of that paystone, but I don't think that 254 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,320 this project has that, but I can go look. 255 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,000 But no, it's what you see out there, if it's the middle of the road, that this project 256 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,560 is essentially complete, so what you see is what's going to be there. 257 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,560 Okay. 258 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:49,820 I just thought it was just a little bit, you know, it was just too, the aesthetic was just 259 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:56,080 too simple, you know, for someone that never drives through that way, but, you know, people 260 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,500 that are around here that drive back and forth that way, we know there's a very wide median 261 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:01,500 there. 262 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:02,500 Right. 263 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,400 But anyway, that's just my thought. 264 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,120 Anybody else have any other questions? 265 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:08,120 Striping? 266 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:09,120 Okay. 267 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,120 All right. 268 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:11,120 Well, thank you for that. 269 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:17,000 So the other 288 is the western portion, and essentially we are in the middle of acquiring 270 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:23,800 a right-of-way on this project, advancing the PS&E on this project. 271 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:29,200 We had a little bit of an environmental modification down here for Underwood that's progressing 272 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,160 properly and we coordinated with the city and the property owners out there. 273 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,600 And so this project is just two frontage roads, north and southbound. 274 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,840 We're looking at somewhere around a little over $220 million. 275 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:50,560 We would do great separations at the railroad track and at 380 initially. 276 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,480 And then in the future, we'd have to find out where the other ones are consistent with 277 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,760 the city's thoroughfare plan. 278 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:03,080 And we are looking at it being ready about this time in two years from now. 279 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,480 And again, I keep saying this every time I talk, you'll see that this timeframe is a 280 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,960 lot longer than the other ones I've shown you. 281 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,400 And that the reason is because of all of the gas wells out there and the transmission lines 282 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,960 that we have to deal with. 283 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:22,060 Any questions on that one? 284 00:18:22,060 --> 00:18:25,040 And then we just talked, we can talk more about this one if you want. 285 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:31,320 I've given Scott the schematic, preliminary schematic for this area. 286 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,840 He and his staff are analyzing that and when I guess at some point we'll come and bring 287 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,480 all that to you guys to go over, jot until chapter and verse on it to make sure we're 288 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,400 all swing on the same side of the plate. 289 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,000 We've got a question. 290 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,880 Is that between the two of you, is that the same schematic that you used in the presentation 291 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,880 last night? 292 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,880 No. 293 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,880 You'll see a new one. 294 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,880 Okay. 295 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:04,720 Yeah, for this, I'll just prelude my comment on this one and the outer loop in general 296 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,720 comment. 297 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,320 I'm not asking you to skip to it. 298 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,960 I would really love to see all the proto-alignments. 299 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:20,200 If the combination of the group could get those, I mean I know there might be 12 of 300 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:28,120 them and six of them have almost no probability but I would love to see the alignments as 301 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:33,040 they've been trimmed down from where they were in the past for both the bypass and the 302 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:39,960 outer loop just because the questions are endless and there's no ability to get in front 303 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:48,080 of it at all and even if you're trying to mitigate fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the 304 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:54,160 people, even if you do what you do is put a big cloud on it and say we're not sure, 305 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,880 that's actually making it worse. 306 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,320 That's not me that's doing that. 307 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:08,120 The thinking was if I show the 22 alignments that are because the federal process says 308 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:13,600 if somebody says in this stage of the process why don't you go across the dam on Ray Roberts, 309 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,720 you got to put a line on a map and tell them why that won't work because the court won't 310 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,160 let you touch their dam but you got to put it on and then take it off. 311 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,000 Right now if I was to put all the alignments that have been suggested by all of the civil 312 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,320 engineers that live in the northern part of your city and county, it would look like that 313 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:38,120 green blob so we just did the green blob so that there's no there there until and we're 314 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:45,440 down to seven and they're really not seven, they're two alternatives that have different 315 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:52,720 meandering on the ends because we have certain criteria we have to hit for the court to hit 316 00:20:52,720 --> 00:21:00,880 so we can get you that it's a at the staff level that's okay to communicate but every 317 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:07,320 time we show alignments that are that are we're just suggested to us that we have to 318 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:14,160 go run the matrix on every time we show that we add to the confusion and what the and that's 319 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,960 because the federal choir what we're trying to do is minimize that yeah that silliness. 320 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:26,320 I appreciate that and so if the either me or the committee in general I think if we 321 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,400 could get that I would I would love to to see those yeah and there's literally I think 322 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,360 in the next in what time is it in about five minutes there's a Denton County Outer Loop 323 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:40,940 meeting fixing to start that my staff's going to so there we're meeting almost every week 324 00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:45,080 on that project because there's some some some well if I knew you'd be I'd say some 325 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,280 rat to kill but I won't say that there's something we got to get dealt with on that 326 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:56,800 project so it's easy enough to bring it to the staff or to to elected officials but just 327 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:05,340 we don't want to broadly distribute it yet because it most of it's inaccurate by design 328 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:12,040 so Luke 28 basically a frontage road job the main lanes are there and we're looking at 329 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:18,260 it cleared in July so you're talking probably two years after that 27 before we have a chance 330 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:24,560 to start it and we got to get the money and text that really wants this road as well and 331 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,800 so do y'all because that way you can push truck traffic completely out of your downtown 332 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:38,480 area and everything I just told you is basically what's in the yellow there okay so again Bonnie 333 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,240 Bray is a segment right here we just show it separately because we're funding it with 334 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,240 federal dollars and state dollars and not city dollars but it's one of y'all segments 335 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:55,840 that you call Bonnie Bray segment 7 and then 1515 we're just punching the clock we're getting 336 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:03,000 trying to get ready to let summer next year and it's a you know it's only 34 million so 337 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,920 shouldn't be too hard and this is another one where we've designed it the way the city 338 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,680 wants and the reason I think this project will let sooner than later is because it's 339 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:20,080 a brand spanking new road 10 inches of asphalt you know maybe seven inches of asphalt like 340 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,840 10 inches of concrete so it's a very good road and the city has suggested that in the 341 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,640 future they would be willing to take it off system as long as it was reconstructed that 342 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:36,680 way you can manage it because there's a lot of big businesses out here and you're constrained 343 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,280 to know what you can do with that road while it's on system but once you build it to six 344 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:48,080 lanes divided you get you know 40-year life concrete then you take it off system and manage 345 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:54,640 it the way you want that's going to be really really nice that is a very very useful idea 346 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,840 whoever came up with that idea I certainly do applaud them because that's a very busy 347 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:07,000 tight road in there have you all been in been over through that seeing those roads I always 348 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:16,000 get stuck at the frontage road and the bridge those people coming out are not nice working 349 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:22,760 all day they want to get home yeah I 1173 this project is going to be ready you know 350 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:30,400 February 25 we are in the process of completing utilities we're going to be focusing again 351 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:37,680 from the rural track back east to include in the 35 job so that'll adjust the cost 352 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,760 of the project once we take that in to the bigger 35 project and we are coordinating 353 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:53,240 with crumb on some issues with their historic downtown area but as long as they make up 354 00:24:53,240 --> 00:25:01,440 their mind we'll be able to help them outer loop again we are looking at summer 26 to 355 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,440 be completed essentially there are three alignments with dangling parciples on either end that 356 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:14,760 we have to look at and we'll get you we'll get something set up through Scott and everybody 357 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:24,280 to get a briefing on it so you'll know because literally it's Salina Aubrey Krugerville 358 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:30,400 and Denton are the critical stakeholders other than the county which is driving the boat 359 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:39,800 and then text up in the car so it's important that we keep you guys in the loop and Alma 360 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:47,400 Locus starts supposed to let project has been awarded so they're saying it should take what's 361 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,840 the there are 118 working days eight months of barricades so they think it's eight months 362 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,360 and we're coordinating on the pre-con meeting so I drive that road all the time and it's 363 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:07,120 embarrassing it's very bad and every time I would drive down that road I think about 364 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:19,360 you I don't have kidney stones because I always and that's my report right are there any additional 365 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:33,840 questions before we move on thank you John okay well we'll move on to see em see two 366 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:41,200 four days zero zero one receive a report and hold a discussion regarding bike lanes a practical 367 00:26:41,200 --> 00:27:00,920 perspective on the u.s. best practices bike lane 368 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:09,920 apparently they already have your exhibits on tab already morning chair morning committee 369 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:19,400 members morning for last few months transportation services division received a lot of requests 370 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:26,160 regarding bike lanes and we're responding to them all and this presentation is basically 371 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:35,760 a summary of collective inquiry on from all of those requests and and we just try to split 372 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:43,520 it into three sections where we will have introduction of best u.s. best practices and 373 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:50,960 then we'll also talk about jurisdictional perspectives on how we are in Texas and all 374 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:58,520 as well as in city of Denton how we are dealing with bike lanes and then also briefly I'll 375 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,840 talk about what's the way forward and how we how transportation services division and 376 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:14,040 city of Denton is looking at bike lanes when it comes to future implementations and planning 377 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:21,680 so the u.s. best practice groups the bike lanes into four distinct types including conventional 378 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:32,280 bike lanes buffered bike lanes contra flow and left side bike lanes when it comes to 379 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:40,520 conventional bike lanes that's the standard practice that's all over u.s. most cities 380 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,880 have these types of bike lanes they are basically on both side they could be provided on both 381 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:53,520 sides of the directions on the on any given facility and some of the demerits are that 382 00:28:53,520 --> 00:29:03,760 they have little buffer when it comes to the separation between door zones on right side 383 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:10,560 or left side car parkings as well as and the bikers so that essentially means that the 384 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:17,440 bikers would be very close to the door zones and in many cases if the drivers or the users 385 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:25,080 of vehicles are not careful they would just open the door and could cause an incident 386 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:34,560 another issue is that they have minimum buffer between the modes of travel where these could 387 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:41,320 possess challenge for the bikers where they are too close to the other modes of travel 388 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:49,920 especially I've seen in many cases if there's a multimodal environment large buses or trucks 389 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,640 would be passing very close in a very close proximity to the bikers and posing the risk 390 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:06,480 factor simply increases so another so this is just a basic design or some of the design 391 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:15,040 not if not complete design sketch for for these lanes but some of the key things include 392 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:21,000 that their width should be six feet and I've seen wider as well but in certain locations 393 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,120 but six feet is a minimum and then signage is is one of the most important aspect it 394 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:37,480 should be complying to the TM UTCD and generally MUTCD requirements are 317 and then there 395 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:44,240 are you know the striping should be in particular is very important as well where six to eight 396 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:51,720 inch solid line wide line and four inch solid line on the right side. 397 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:59,640 Most of US cities have these types of bike lanes and they're you know widely used all 398 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,040 over US. 399 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,280 Another type of bike lanes widely used in US is buffered bike lanes they are I think 400 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:17,760 their main advantage is that they have wide buffer between mode of travels and also they 401 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:25,120 provide some buffer between the door zones on the parking side so as you can see before 402 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,640 I go to the design stage I would just mention their demerits as well one of the challenge 403 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:40,440 with these bike lanes is the buffer because the buffer is necessary by design the implementation 404 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:50,760 is a challenge in areas where which are built out and they don't have as much capacity available. 405 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,120 Another issue is that they restrict the right of way for future expansions for instance 406 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,600 if you are to expand a facility then buffer would become a problem either you'll have 407 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,400 to curtail it or you'll have to redesign it or retrofit it. 408 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,840 When it comes to design some of the key features include that buffer shall be clearly marked 409 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:21,640 it should be with two solid lines and if the extra width is available then buffer could 410 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,440 also be cross hashed three feet is general and I've seen a little bit wider as well and 411 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:39,360 then the separation between the parking and bike lane is also would also have a six to 412 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:47,880 eighteen sometimes a foot of buffer I've seen 12 inch of buffer I've seen as well. 413 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,200 These kind of buffered bike lanes they are readily used in Austin Texas when we are talking 414 00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,680 about best practices in Cape Coral Florida I've seen myself because I've lived there 415 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,840 for some time and also New York City and Phoenix Arizona and Tucson Arizona some of the cities 416 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:18,560 but there are other cities we could list Contra bike lanes I have a question about that if 417 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:27,840 you would allow me the green over to the side yes and so is that required to go all the 418 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:35,360 way through or not and why do some cities use green or is there other colors or how 419 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:41,160 does that I'm seeing maybe dark green some places so it changes I mean for instance the 420 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:49,360 color is there to reflect conflicts conflict zone this would this does not show completely 421 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,460 but likely in this picture the message is that there was an intersection or some kind 422 00:33:55,460 --> 00:34:02,320 of conflict there maybe a bus stop or something that shows that okay you know this zone should 423 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:08,840 bikers and other users other mode users should be careful so in many cases for example in 424 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:16,280 Contra flow bike lanes you would see that there is there you know the crossings between 425 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,080 the intersections they are colored because the Contra flow would go in the other direction 426 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,760 as well so wherever we see use of color it is to highlight the conflict okay with other 427 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,600 modes thank you and they could vary in I mean it could be green I've seen red as well if 428 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,460 for example in Austin they have different color as well they have been using different 429 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:40,600 colors thank you oh you have another question no I appreciate the chair bringing this up 430 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,120 because I have a similar question and it's it's kind of scanned through the criterion 431 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,200 manual it wasn't clear to me when when we color our conflict zones and when we don't 432 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:59,320 in the city of Denton and and so if we can either address that at some point in the presentation 433 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:06,240 or or get back to us later I would appreciate understanding more you know when we just strike 434 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:13,040 versus when we paint I'll partially address it in this presentation and then we could 435 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:23,920 circle back on details if you have more questions on that thank you okay so on Contra flow bike 436 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:31,360 lanes basically provide in if the facility is one one way and then if we have additional 437 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,920 capacity available we could provide bike lanes on the opposite direction and use the capacity 438 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,080 I think the advantage of these lanes these bike lanes is that instead of rerouting the 439 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,640 bikers to another facility just because this is a one-way road bikers could get an edge 440 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:55,760 and they just could traverse through the facility on the dedicated bike lane and don't have 441 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,400 to traverse through many blocks to get to the right direction the merits include implementation 442 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,560 limitations in built-up areas again you know because they are capacity constrained they 443 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,760 have capacity capacity issue and then also may restrict right of way for future expansions 444 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,040 as well in fact you know in many cases they would just block any expansion possibilities 445 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,440 because then you have to eradicate the remove the the bike lane and then expand on design 446 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:31,080 side both options are available if if the bike lane is present on the direction on the 447 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,520 direction of the flow then we could depending on the availability of space we could provide 448 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:44,000 buffer between the traffic regular movement and the bikers on the opposite direction as 449 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:52,320 you can see in this case and if and then also we could have the shared lane markings for 450 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,840 instance if the if there's capacity issue and there on the on the in the direction of 451 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:06,880 the flow we have capacity constraints we could use shelves to provide sharing possibilities 452 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,360 lane sharing possibilities for the bikers but it also depends on the speed we have to 453 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,760 be careful in making sure that you know when we are mixing bikers with the regular traffic 454 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:26,440 flow we have to make sure that they're safe and these are left side bike lanes these are 455 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,740 I call them half contra flow that means is that they are against the flow but on one 456 00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:44,560 side only and this you would see those in the in New York or larger cities where we 457 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:54,160 have a lot of traffic congestion and and heavy usage of highway facilities and then you know 458 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,160 the bike lane is provided on the left side only and for the design standard it's pretty 459 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:05,840 much same there which is similar to the regular bike lanes except they are provided they have 460 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,440 you know their direction is they are typically not on the right side but on the left side 461 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,440 of the of the flow and of course the signage is needed on the right side there are some 462 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,280 examples we have Chicago Portland and San Francisco where they are being used there there's 463 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,240 a big list I just selected some of the cities which I thought that I'll just mention let 464 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:32,840 me ask you a question about that yes you have a question and I've seen this in large cities 465 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,480 like that and I've always had a question ever in this regards that right turn so you have 466 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:50,120 that bus only with with with an entity allow a right turn at all on this road or is this 467 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:58,360 this is a straight road or a right turn when you oh look it's probably a right turn you 468 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,360 know whenever you can something going on over here yeah it's a selective it's a selective 469 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,000 approach on certain intersection the right right turn would be allowed for example you 470 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:16,920 see this green striped area or marking that's a crossing indication so typically what happens 471 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:26,520 is that there are there are traffic flow crossings and there are biker crossings so they are 472 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:33,980 dedicated you know alternate their alternate crossings and in this case probably next next 473 00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:38,760 one or next two crossings would be bikers crossing and then this green striping would 474 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:44,600 just continue or our color striping would continue until they reach the right turn crossings 475 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,920 and then and they be able to make the right turn so basically the just like a detour they 476 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:56,280 are provided a mechanism colored mechanism to take the right turn okay okay all right 477 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,980 yes ma'am I just wanted to add for the sake of the rest of the committee members another 478 00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:05,200 demerit on all of these is they're not protected and so what I've learned seems to be a worldwide 479 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,040 phenomenon is if somebody can put their car there they will so if we spend a bunch of 480 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,480 money on something that people can just easily park in there for or stop in there for any 481 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,560 period of time it kind of makes the bike lane unusable and so we've spent all that money 482 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,920 in time and it's not even usable or in some cases people can get killed when they have 483 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,320 to go around a vehicle that's in the bike lane so just something to keep in mind that's 484 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:39,720 true so other bike lanes include the diamond striping with bike signs where these would 485 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:46,680 not be continuous they would just come and go as the application basically is to provide 486 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:53,080 bikers a continuous flow because in many cases they are using multi-use path and are on the 487 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:59,040 side not on the road bike using on the road bike biking facility then they would be given 488 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:05,000 on certain spots they would be given opportunity to if the trail or the multi-use path could 489 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,400 not continue they would just be given our opportunity to on street bike lane partial 490 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:18,200 bike lane to get to get through that segment of the road where the multi-use path is not 491 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,600 available and then get back on the multi-use path and then we have sharos typically they 492 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,080 are on the residential streets but one caution with these is that when whenever we use share 493 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:36,520 we recommend that we allow full usage of bike lane or full usage of the lane traffic flow 494 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,300 lane the reason is that in many cases drive as you could see in this image as well there 495 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:47,000 are drive access points there are driveways in residential areas and if there are multiple 496 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:55,640 of them approaching the roadway it is recommended that you know we put a signage that says full 497 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:05,720 lane will be used by the bikers just to provide them extra protection and we have other concepts 498 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:19,520 as you know full colored lanes but there are different ideas for example Austin is using 499 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:26,820 color mixed in in pavement material and then they are using utilizing that that's a very 500 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:33,800 that's interesting idea that's very good one other cities are partially coloring them all 501 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:40,680 of those opportunities are available and they could be used to enhance biking culture and 502 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:46,840 biking environment in the in the cities shared use paths are another one our city is using 503 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:55,280 as well and then yes and the idea is that we could provide not only pedestrians but 504 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:06,680 bikers 10 foot to in some cases 12 foot as well a way of paths where they could just 505 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:13,480 use the facility instead of being on the high speed or relatively high speed road and but 506 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,760 they're they are exploited in many cases because if we don't provide a guidance on our striping 507 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:27,800 on the on this side use path then it poses risk to the pedestrian versus bikers versus 508 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:34,000 micro mobility users which are operating at different speeds so one caution is that whenever 509 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,640 we are we are now making sure that through the review process we highlight this back 510 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:47,680 to the developers that these look into this aspect and and provide the striping and then 511 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:54,960 we have trails as well which are there and then they could also be used by all users 512 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,680 so quickly in the interest of time I'll just be quick on this one so we go to the state 513 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:08,640 of Texas perspective and city of Denton perspective quickly on this and you had a question yes 514 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:15,780 I had a question in regards to the various colors that are used in Austin yes did you 515 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:22,360 all kind of research as to why they would use various colors it seemed like for me monochromatic 516 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,520 I mean just the same color throughout the city would you know get the folks to understand 517 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,520 when they see this particular color then it means something a bit more I'm just not understanding 518 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:40,440 why would a city use various colors and I'll let you address that if you want to but I 519 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,200 know that the city of Austin worked with the Dutch embassy so the Netherlands is considered 520 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,840 one of the top places for biking you've got you've got all sorts of people doing young 521 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,800 old women children and so they worked with the Dutch embassy the Dutch embassy came to 522 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,400 Austin and worked with them Austin elected and leadership went to the Netherlands to 523 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:06,400 look at it and so they're sort of working closely with the Dutch embassy to try to create 524 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,040 a low stress bike route and so that's kind of where the red came from because that's 525 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,240 sort of what they do in the Netherlands oh okay but that's lower maintenance in the long 526 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,480 run if you just mix it in the asphalt like that so the paint we have to keep maintaining 527 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:26,160 repainting every three five years yeah oh so it's mixed in the asphalt it is and so 528 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,400 they are last article that I'd read a few weeks back they would be sticking to red color 529 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,640 that's what my understanding is they are not changing the colors anymore yeah it's kind 530 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:43,720 of like slow down people so this is for the jurisdiction from just jurisdiction standpoint 531 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:51,020 this is the tech starts bicycle accommodation design guide basically that that reflects 532 00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:58,920 this method or this approach where they are highlighting where we could use shared bike 533 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:06,400 and bike lane separate buffered and separated bike lane or shared use path and you would 534 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,800 just one one observation that is important here is that you would just see that by 35 535 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:19,200 miles per hour speed basically any type of bike lane vanishes if the facility is higher 536 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:29,800 than 35 miles per hour on on road bike lane is poses too much risk for the bikers unless 537 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:36,440 it is separated made exclusive bike lane to some separate separation measure so that's 538 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:44,240 the I think if that's the crux of this this graph that we are seeing here and exhibit 539 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,900 that we are seeing here other than that you know the for bridge replacement and rehabilitation 540 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:56,400 they go with minimum five-foot clear space and then for the trails and Texas bicycle 541 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:04,560 tourism trails they go for 10-foot general or minimum eight-foot okay are we including 542 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,400 regional standards as well so for example the North Central Texas Council of Governments 543 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:15,880 has their VeloWeb 2045 I think and so for routes through Denton that are part of the 544 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:22,180 VeloWeb they're recommending 12 to 14 feet of width so some kind of ongoing projects 545 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:27,240 we have in Denton that are included in the VeloWeb are Mayhill which I think is 10-foot 546 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:33,080 but the new part we're doing is still 10-foot it's not that 12 to 14 and then Mingo which 547 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,680 I don't think it's finalized yet but I think it looked like we were maybe doing 10-foot 548 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,440 for that one and that's part of the VeloWeb as well and that's also part of the Texas 549 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:48,520 tourism trail so I looked that up and I did see the Texas tourism trails does recommend 550 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,600 12 to 14 feet for their routes so I'm curious if we're sort of incorporating also NCT cog 551 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,320 and at least trying to hit like yes they said 10-foot minimum but 12-foot is a lot better 552 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,560 so the rail trail is really narrow and so it just feels a lot more likely a crash would 553 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,880 happen especially if it's a busier route so I'm just kind of curious if we're incorporating 554 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,040 regional and look we are looking into that aspect as well but you know when it comes 555 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:23,900 to cities guidelines on multi-use path and I would just say side box as well so the standard 556 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:34,280 I mean the approach is for now is 5 feet for residential and then 10 feet for other functional 557 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:40,600 classifications so that's a simple answer but at other places we have recommended 12 558 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:46,040 feet as well, 8 feet as well depending on it's actually design context I mean contextual 559 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,560 design where the facility is being designed and what other what the environment is and 560 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,480 if it is a built out area then of course there are constraints so we are looking into that 561 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,800 for our next study that we are going to have for bike lane feasibility and shared mobility 562 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,200 feasibility study we will look into all of these aspects okay and so we have another 563 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:16,720 question here yes yeah no on this chart most of most of our residential speeds are 30 so 564 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:26,480 we're immediately pretty much requiring some sort of separation some sort of mechanism 565 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:33,600 you know where we no longer yet yet I say that yet that we have sharos in a lot of 566 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:42,000 these 30 30 mile an hour zones so I guess my question goes to how do we how do we integrate 567 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,440 our residential speeds that are 5 miles over the safety you know the vanishing point there 568 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,960 look for the essential street there's a challenge the challenge is that we have so many drivers 569 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,960 yes I give you example of Ryan Ryan road what was that road there was a facility that we 570 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,320 are looking at the request came from one of the I think council members we were looking 571 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,560 at that facility Riney Road by the highest Riney Road no no it was a different facility 572 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:15,040 Montecito yes thank you so Montecito we were looking at that facility we audited that and 573 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:22,680 we found that there are so many drive access points and if we put a bike lane right next 574 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:28,620 to these drive access points where where residents are mostly reversing their vehicles to come 575 00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:34,160 out of the driveway and not aware of if the biker is coming at what speed and let let's 576 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:42,120 not talk about that but I think that's a serious safety risk then I ended up referring to to 577 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:50,960 a I think it's a county county associations standards on bike lanes and they are cautioning 578 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,880 on that as well I also looked at TRB resources design standards they are cautioning on that 579 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,840 as well that be careful on allowing bike lanes in residential streets where so many drive 580 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,120 access points are there so that's why I think the recommendation is that we use Sharos with 581 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,240 signage that full bike lane could be used that provides full protection to the bikers 582 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:17,200 because they could they don't have to be now on the edge of the road they could just use 583 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:25,280 one full lane yes and then the other side is that there would be differential speeds 584 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,300 but expectation is that they're in residential streets the speeds are relatively lower I have 585 00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:34,480 a fault on this but I'll wait till the end of the presentation and it's the exactly this 586 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,960 point but on Old North okay okay we can discuss after them okay I want to discuss more so 587 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,280 the last one is Denton mobility we in on our end in the city we have Denton mobility plan 588 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,360 bicycle plan we have Denton transportation criteria manual and development codes and 589 00:51:52,360 --> 00:52:00,000 standard I'll show you I just mentioned that the five foot sidewalks and ten foot multi 590 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,440 use path is pretty much that's what we are looking at right now unless until we have 591 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,920 our study done and then we will be able to update that and then this is the sketch of 592 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:19,440 the standard details document where it shows that this is five feet sidewalk for residential 593 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:29,840 streets and for collectors it is ten feet and I could cities mobility plan is referring 594 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,840 to a basic information on on bike lanes and through this transportation services division 595 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,800 is planning to launch a shared mobility feasibility study now and based on that we will be able 596 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:47,400 to make many updates will be informed based on not only the best practice but also other 597 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,360 other reference information as well so this is a way forward for us we are planning for 598 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,520 bike lanes as one of the priorities here in the city transportation services division 599 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:05,960 is working on the participation of bike lanes as we speak we are planning to develop localized 600 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,880 standards for four distinct types clearly stating where we could use each one of those 601 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:20,040 and enhance the transportation criteria manual as well for bike lanes and their designs and 602 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:27,440 also we appreciate City Council's considerations for on street bike lanes standards as well 603 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,480 and interest as well if you have any more questions I could come so we'll start here 604 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:43,600 and we'll just so what's the city's thinking on raised crosswalks because for example the 605 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:50,620 Mayhill side path there are points where when if you're driving in your car and you're crossing 606 00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:57,640 the side path you come up to meet the side path so it's like you have a bump kind of 607 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,240 before you potentially hit somebody and I think that visually you know kind of slows 608 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:05,060 people down they don't want that bumpy ride as they turn their car so they'll slow down 609 00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:09,640 and be more careful crossing that and at other points it's not the side path comes down to 610 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:16,280 meet the road is there a standard for that decision or for now the design the standard 611 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:24,200 is that we consult first thing is that we consult our fire department and their guidance 612 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:32,680 on that is their equipment is not geared to traverse through these bumps or or tables 613 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:39,200 or there are many forms they come in so that's why I know that the standard practice that 614 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,720 we are following now is that at least we just say as long as fire department is not buying 615 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:51,120 that we will not go with in that direction but there are other uses to avoid that kind 616 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:58,960 of situation there are high lighters flashlights that glow as soon as the as soon as the pedestrian 617 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,800 or biker is crossing that they are in use in elementary schools as well in the neighborhoods 618 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,400 and they are successfully used in many areas because they provide some kind of caution 619 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,280 to the road users drivers. 620 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:24,840 Thanks for this presentation Farhan I'm glad to see you all are working on it and I really 621 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:31,400 appreciate that I did want to ask about or maybe just comment on the five foot sidewalk 622 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,800 recommendation I haven't ever seen that recommended as a bike accommodation anywhere and I haven't 623 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,320 seen that really count for anything in terms of like becoming a bicycle friendly community 624 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,080 with the League of American Bicyclists. 625 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,200 People can use the sidewalks especially when they're really nervous but I'm certified to 626 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,560 teach bike safety classes and we're taught to tell people to stay off the sidewalk in 627 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,320 most cases because there's obstacles there's pedestrian conflicts drivers aren't looking 628 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,640 for you there and they don't expect somebody traveling that fast so I certainly don't want 629 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,840 anybody in the room to think that you know sidewalks is a bike accommodation and I definitely 630 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,320 don't want to send that message because I haven't seen cases where that's true. 631 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:20,760 Yes they are not and but the violations are there yeah because of the desperate situations 632 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:26,000 the bikers could get in I mean if you ride on 50 miles per hour facility or 40 miles 633 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,800 per hour facility versus sidewalk so they will end up choosing sidewalk yeah so that's 634 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,600 the situation and then in other cases these sidewalks now standard five foot sidewalk 635 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:44,320 are now being converted to multi-use paths and therefore for a good reason because you 636 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:49,840 know this should not be I apologize I called it violation it is actually not a violation 637 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:56,120 we are forcing them to do that so I think in this case when the multi-use path is provided 638 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:01,880 that essentially means that we are providing a dedicated pedestrian walkway and as well 639 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:09,560 as a space for bikers as well they could ride the bike safely any other questions I have 640 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:17,080 more but we can go over there whatever you do in terms of the transportation criteria 641 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,880 manual update if y'all aren't already considering this if y'all could include considerations 642 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:29,120 for design speed so like the Mayhill side path has some sharp turns that seem to think 643 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,880 that everyone's walking rather than maybe moving a little more quickly so you know gentle 644 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,000 curves things like that and then also considering non-standard bicycles so we have families 645 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,160 in town with cargo bikes which are long and a bit wide and maybe not as maneuverable so 646 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,440 I know this wasn't the city but like on the DCTA rail trail they installed some z-gate 647 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,000 crossings at the crossings and those are really hard for somebody on a cargo bike or pulling 648 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,920 kids in a bike trailer so if that could be included in the transportation criteria manual 649 00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,920 updates too. 650 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:04,840 Yes we are looking into that as a matter of fact we are conducting vision zero phase two 651 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:11,920 implementation effort and one of the first requirement for safe systems approach and 652 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,720 vision zero is to load the speeds and to look into well not load the speed but to review 653 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:24,480 the speeds so we will do that and as part of that process and then to that transportation 654 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:30,600 criteria manual and add it as an addendum so that is there and then of course for bike 655 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,760 lanes we are looking we are going to look at holistically through this shared mobility 656 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,800 study that we are planning to launch. 657 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,600 And when I just to clarify when I said design speeds I meant for the side path so considering 658 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,640 how quickly somebody on a bicycle travels versus walking and those standards should 659 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,480 be different between sidewalk and like a shared use path or something. 660 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,640 Okay we will look into that no issues. 661 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,920 And only other thing on transportation criteria manual and it looks like you all are already 662 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,600 thinking about it but where possible maybe we can consider intersection markings to suggest 663 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,600 oh there is a bike lane coming through here stuff like that. 664 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:10,480 Sure that will be that is already we are already reviewing that in process. 665 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:18,960 I had a question in regards to I guess the bumps speed bumps that's the basic term for 666 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:30,480 them and the use of those in HOAs is it are HOAs exempt from getting fire truck permission 667 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,680 standards. 668 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,600 In my understanding if it becomes a public road which is maintained by city then they 669 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:43,980 are not they will have to be abiding by the city's code and there are some examples where 670 00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:48,720 they requested there is at least two there are two examples where we visited and audited 671 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:57,760 the site and they were requesting certain changes but then we found out that the essential 672 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:06,440 services and fire service would not be able to reach to the community or will have difficulty 673 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:14,040 because the equipment is very sensitive to bumps and it will probably damage their shocks 674 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,520 or whatever equipment is there to make them because the water load is so much that the 675 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,000 shocks won't be able to take it. 676 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,680 So that's why I think in many cases if it becomes a public facility later on cities 677 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,360 maintaining it then yes cities code will apply. 678 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:40,280 Okay and if it is a private then they could they can do what they need to do okay. 679 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:47,040 And so when we're talking about bike lanes and we have those vehicles those bikes that 680 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:54,440 also turn into motorbikes they could be bikes and then they can be motorbikes yes how is 681 01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:04,760 the how is the the standard I guess so a person won't get a ticket you know if they're on 682 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:11,800 a motorcycle you know the bike is turned into a motorcycle bike am I saying that right ebikes 683 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:22,240 that's it how does the the law allow a e-bike in a bike path or are they now required to 684 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,680 be on the street? 685 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,760 They are called micro mobility options but they are since their speeds are faster they 686 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:37,320 are not considered usable at even at multi-use path they are to be used in well there is 687 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:44,240 no there's no criteria right now because it's a new tech newer technology and and cities 688 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:50,880 are trying to absorb it but they are typically allowed on road and due to differential speed 689 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:57,560 speeds they are not allowed on multi-use path I can add to that okay so I know at the state 690 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,920 level they did identify three classes of ebikes and so it depends some of them you don't have 691 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,800 to pedal at all some you have to pedal to keep going and they all have a cap on the 692 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,920 speed that they are allowed to go otherwise if they go faster than like 28 miles an hour 693 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,960 something like that then it becomes a different type of vehicle all together and so those 694 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:22,680 are not ebikes anymore so ebikes are going to be about 28 miles an hour or below and 695 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:29,620 cities could as far as you know mac or somebody can correct me but cities have the ability 696 01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:35,360 to if they want to say I mean we can set speed limits on paths if we want to so if that's 697 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,120 the concern because some people might have a nicer bike they can go a little faster and 698 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,680 if we want to still allow them to use that path but we don't want them going 28 miles 699 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,080 an hour we could say 20 mile per hour speed limit on this path or something like that 700 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:54,640 but the challenge with that is that the users they would just take their liberty assuming 701 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,320 that oh I'm not going to be faster and my mode is the ebike I'm using is not as fast 702 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,960 so there is a bit of challenge so for now I think I know that cities are allowing on 703 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:10,000 street and multi-use path wherever I've seen there are many speed related issues that are 704 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,400 coming and we'll have to face those issues as well at some point. 705 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:21,520 That's why we are recommending that we have we clearly stripe pedestrian versus bikers 706 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,520 area. 707 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:28,960 I think class 2 is less than 28 miles an hour I think class 2 is I may be wrong Susie is 708 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:37,600 the expert class 2 I believe is up to 20 miles with the motor and up to 28 miles with motor 709 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,640 and pedaling and I'll just throw in that I ride a electric ebike around that's the brand 710 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:50,880 name electric and during my rides with Susie who does not use ebikes she is faster than 711 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,880 me. 712 01:03:51,880 --> 01:04:00,560 I'm a big huge dude and my ebike does not get up to 28 miles per hour poor motor cannot 713 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,560 push my weight. 714 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,360 We could circle back as well if we need more information. 715 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,360 Circle back. 716 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:12,520 Okay but thank you so you had some other questions so a couple of questions relating to sort 717 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:21,240 of these this where modes cross we haven't really addressed sort of raised crosswalks 718 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:27,000 they don't they don't have to be a speed bump but just raised that that can not necessarily 719 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:38,040 throw out the shocks of emergency vehicles but or inhibit them but clearly an engineering 720 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:44,820 difference at an intersection what's what's what do we say about those kinds of changes. 721 01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:50,080 If you need details on that I would just definitely research it and then and get back to you and 722 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,760 circle back to you in the next mobility committee meeting. 723 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:58,880 Yeah we could look into what what design requirements they have and what what different types are 724 01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:59,880 there. 725 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:05,240 I appreciate that so then I'll add on to that slightly and that is I mean yeah I understand 726 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,040 speed bumps because they're what six inches or whatever above the road grade but speed 727 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:16,200 cushions are an inch or two they often have emergency vehicle tracks in them you know 728 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,880 our rumble strips are what are they three-quarters of an inch or something they're not throwing 729 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:30,520 anybody's you know vehicles out of alignment but they are clearly creating an engineering 730 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:40,380 response to speeds and and and different use conflicts so I if we could include some updates 731 01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:47,840 about the use of those those lower height uses we will have to have that as well we 732 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:53,040 will do that I just want to point out that something like that does exist in the city 733 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:59,920 of Den on central village drive in a neighborhood off of south 77 there is kind of the intersection 734 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,340 that's at the entrance to their neighborhood that's entirely raised and so you just go 735 01:06:04,340 --> 01:06:08,900 up like two or three inches into the intersection and that kind of signifies hey you're entering 736 01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:12,600 or leaving the neighborhood speeds need to change and then it just dips off on the other 737 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:13,600 side of the intersection. 738 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:28,000 That's on central village off of south 77 yeah yeah and just on the end on those bollards 739 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:36,680 are on those intersection conditions and separation issues I love that y'all are being really 740 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:44,080 proactive and sort of experimental on Hector and Old North and Parkway please continue 741 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:51,440 to do that but then I'm going to pass along questions as we do these sorts of use separations 742 01:06:51,440 --> 01:07:00,600 and intersection separations it is a almost a weekly question of when we did our bollards 743 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:11,720 on Old North where we're trying to manage the the park/sharrow and buffer combination 744 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:19,960 why why I guess the question is bollard placement what's what's the goals and criteria and for 745 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,080 bollard placement because one of the things that pops up on Old North all the time is 746 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:29,600 why is the furthest in bollard the furthest towards the intersection rather than the other 747 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:39,040 way around because they have displaced bollards that ends up making all the cars clip them 748 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:44,760 and y'all are always out on an engaged dent ticket putting a new bollard in like you know 749 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:50,520 it's a weekly occurrence kind of thing so we might save a little cash and but if there's 750 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:57,000 an engineering reason and and so I guess the general question is engineering wise what 751 01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,440 are the standards and we can get back to that in the future for for bollard placement then 752 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:07,640 but then specifically for Old North why why are we doing it in that way we will let me 753 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:12,440 audit that area and then I'll get a circle back again with more information on that item 754 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,840 as well I appreciate that thank you that's all you know while you while you all are talking 755 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:22,760 I'm thinking that they're probably placed that way to encourage people to slow down 756 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,740 when they're making those turn and that may be because people want to cut short big wide 757 01:08:27,740 --> 01:08:33,080 turns and you know you don't want to clip a cyclist I have suggested that to people 758 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,800 but I have to come back and say I'm not a road engineer and I don't know that that's 759 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:43,400 the reason that he did it yes ma'am only final comment I wanted that was not related to that 760 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:49,480 but sort of I guess I I know in past staff have considered but maybe not looked into 761 01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:54,520 fully the possibility of us becoming either a member or an affiliate of the National Association 762 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,200 of city transportation officials and I saw you showed us a lot of pictures from their 763 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:05,080 site so you know I'd love us to look into the possibility of maybe becoming more involved 764 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,840 with them maybe adopting some of their standards which you were showing us on the screen some 765 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,320 Texas member cities are Austin Houston and San Antonio and then some affiliates are Fort 766 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,800 Worth and El Paso so I noticed those are all larger cities so I don't know what it entails 767 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,440 to get more involved with them but maybe you know we'll have this discussion get started 768 01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:29,360 in our division and I think probably we'll have to discuss with Scott as well and Cassie 769 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:37,480 about that thank you any other questions any other questions all right thank you so much 770 01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:47,940 it is a little bit after 11 o'clock so we're gonna just kind of spend this time just kind 771 01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:53,240 of perusing through some of these topics here and if there's any of you all that have any 772 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:59,000 any questions regarding anything that you see listed that's written out this is your 773 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:08,400 opportunity to ask questions question and answer time yes sir so on the item for the 774 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:18,360 interchange of near sage oak 382 a interchange we discussed the completion of the side paths 775 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:24,760 along sage oak up up to the 7-eleven up to the intersection and then I think we're nearly 776 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:32,720 complete from the from odb to the south but there may be some gaps but there's one notable 777 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:39,320 gap and that's on our own property at the old DME staging field and and so I guess the 778 01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:44,640 general question is for this entire thing is could we get some follow-up information 779 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:53,960 about us where we are at stitching the entire side path pathway together sure Trevor crane 780 01:10:53,960 --> 01:11:00,720 director of capital projects so that project is almost completed with design and so we 781 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,480 won't be completing all of those gaps filling in the entire entire section all the way from 782 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:12,640 380 down to McKinney and that's going to include lighting or not include light not lighting 783 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:21,960 for that section though sir okay oh while he's looking for the other question I have a question 784 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:36,240 in regards to land ownership and responsibilities and sidewalks are just a for clarification 785 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:41,480 most of the time when there's not a sidewalk that's that that land is owned by private 786 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:49,480 people and then we run into a public space like you know our shelter area what is the 787 01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:59,760 obligation of us you know requiring them to you know feeling in or it sounds like we're 788 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:08,040 taking on the responsibility for feeling in for private spaces is that what I'm hearing 789 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:13,800 sure so a couple of different things there typically if it's a private you know private 790 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:19,640 landowner if they come in to develop that then that will be a part of the development 791 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,880 process we will require them to put in and make that connection put in that sidewalk 792 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:27,400 as a part of the development if we get to a point to where we're wanting the city is 793 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:33,320 wanting to connect that such as along 28 then we will come in and buy that property and 794 01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:39,800 connect that ourselves so it's kind of a timing issue depending on if we if we want to wait 795 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,880 for the development to come in and do it for us or if we come in and purchase that property 796 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:49,200 and make that connection similar to what we're doing on McKinney filling in those spots and 797 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,360 then a long loop to 88 so it really comes down to a timing issue as to kind of who gets 798 01:12:53,360 --> 01:13:00,480 there first and where we want to how we want to move that forward I know that that there's 799 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:07,400 been discussion on at the City Council level in regards to McKinney Street between Woodrow 800 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:16,440 and 288 and so I understand that there you all were going to design some kind of pathway 801 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:25,080 but we still have private landowners out there with those extend over across this will be 802 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,520 one of the things that you're talking about extending that pathway across their property 803 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:35,200 correct so that project was approved as part of our CIP last year the McKinney sidewalks 804 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:41,320 and so it's currently under design and we will be if we're evaluating the sections that 805 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,720 are private property and so if we need to go purchase right away to make those connections 806 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,680 we will as a part of that project but that's currently under design right now and I'm just 807 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:54,600 asking that question you know for the folks out there that you know they just don't know 808 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,120 that hey when the land is not developed the city is not going to come and put necessarily 809 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:06,920 come and put a file correct but in this case for Luke 288 you know the traffic is just 810 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:14,480 astounding you know between you know in in these areas so you know I appreciate the the 811 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:18,160 opportunity for us to do that right and that's one of those things that we consider as a 812 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:24,200 part of that that PPI score that how we evaluate sidewalk sections so we call them goat paths 813 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,600 but you see where people are actually traversing in the in the grass and so those are those 814 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,560 are one of the things that we take into account as we evaluate those different sections of 815 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:42,200 sidewalk thank you so much yes ma'am yes for for the staff member and in part of this 816 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:47,520 do you want all the questions now or just the staff member in the questions I just want 817 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:52,900 the staff member random questions right here okay so then my last question on that before 818 01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:57,240 we get to the I mean I'm sorry let me let me tricks and everything together no I'm just 819 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,500 trying to get through the part that's written here that's a staff memorandum part yeah that's 820 01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:09,320 what I want to do yeah yeah I did have one more for this section okay and I appreciate 821 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:14,160 the the clarity that we had on that lying in landscaping for construction projects the 822 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:23,360 next of one of the last sections of the response but from the the goals of that that was about 823 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:30,260 landscaping goals for given the limitations that we have but still the goals that we wish 824 01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:42,980 to attain the if we looked into and it came up today in both talking about bike paths 825 01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:48,680 in coloring the the asphalts themselves and I've sort of hinted at it in earlier meetings 826 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:55,560 but are we investigating any heat island mitigation areas where we can't control the street trees 827 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,500 for one reason or another but we still wish to attain our sustainability goals are we 828 01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:06,480 looking at pavement additives in those areas that are more reflective better you know you 829 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:12,560 know less heat island inducing yeah so I'll say we're definitely starting to get into 830 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,080 that so we're always looking at new technologies different things that you can you know add 831 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,600 into concrete or you know even for drainage there's permeable pavement and things of that 832 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,080 nature so that it all kind of ties in to you know our sustainability initiatives those 833 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,320 type of from that department so those are absolutely things that we're looking at I 834 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:38,040 don't think we have any projects where we've initiated are incorporated into that yet but 835 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,240 as we start looking through those items working with our different stakeholders to see you 836 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,880 know what those things are how if they still meet the specifications and standards that 837 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,640 we're trying to meet those are absolutely conversations we're having with those different 838 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,680 stakeholders as we as we design these projects I appreciate that I think there's sometimes 839 01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:02,000 we can kill the same bird with a different stone absolutely yeah we're always open to 840 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:07,560 looking at new and new and that's not very sustainable of me I'm sorry about that I get 841 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:19,040 to hear that all the time with my last name you're going to kill two birds with one stone 842 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,680 yeah look at it see he's the main one look out his lap minor just clarification question 843 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:29,000 so on neighborhood 5b and I have three questions total um a neighborhood 5b it says that the 844 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,600 construction timeline is about a year and a half to me that sounded short for drainage 845 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,080 and streets so I just wanted to clarify that's the drainage and the street one and a half 846 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:44,680 years it is so um 5b let me make sure I'm not going to confuse it with the oakland oakland 847 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:51,840 yes so 5b is a part of the 2019 bond package um oakland drainage is was approved as part 848 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,280 of the 2023 bond since it's all kind of combined together we we're going to put those projects 849 01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:04,480 together I'll put it out as a seamar um yes that time it is both um there are some other 850 01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:08,600 things we're considering right now with the retention pond and some other conversations 851 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,600 so that timeline may change but as of right now we're moving forward with the current 852 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:18,560 timeline that we sent forward or that we presented here and that that is correct okay thank you 853 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,720 my other question is what is seamar I haven't heard that one before so seamar is a is actually 854 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:29,400 stands for construction manager at risk it is a project delivery method the main difference 855 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,540 in that versus kind of the other ways that we deliver projects is instead of waiting 856 01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:38,440 until we get to 100 percent design and then bidding it out to a contractor we're actually 857 01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:43,800 bringing a contractor in at zero percent and having them help us design those projects 858 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:49,160 so bringing in their expertise kind of identifying risk helping with value engineering those types 859 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:54,080 of things typically it's used for you know larger projects that have a lot of complexities 860 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,340 to it so it made a lot of sense to use it in this with that drainage piece and kind 861 01:18:59,340 --> 01:19:02,840 of the environment and those types of things that we're going to be delivering this project 862 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,400 in so just a different type of project delivery method thank you and then my final question 863 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:13,000 is on the interchange 380 slash loop 288 I think that's on the other page I read it and 864 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:19,000 I was a little unclear is tech stock planning to build side paths as part of the project 865 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:25,400 so yeah this question came up actually about some escrow issues and then some sidewalk 866 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:30,440 issues to build that so text dot we talked with text dot they don't currently have any 867 01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:36,280 any money in escrow or anything I actually spoke with these residents and they were not 868 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:41,320 as sure that the escrow was taken they had some turnover they were mainly concerned about 869 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:47,960 the sidewalk being placed from 380 down to down to McKinney and so that that's actually 870 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:54,200 a city of Denton project that we are delivering so the city is putting in side paths yes correct 871 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,760 text not doing that no even though they allegedly do or is the timeline just not right on that 872 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:03,960 for them to the time yeah that that project was already already completed all right thank 873 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:11,480 you that's it yes ma'am okay um did you have any questions uh I am don't have any particular 874 01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:19,720 questions uh my my questions are it my primary question is and if you just explain to us 875 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:32,040 how does a city or state or county make a decision to put trees in medians I may have 876 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:40,200 even asked this question before to put trees in medians and lights in medians and or not 877 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:48,440 how does how is that determined is it and are trees more aesthetic or is it more environmental 878 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:56,040 so I can only speak to the city portion of that okay um so that's dictated by our criteria 879 01:20:56,040 --> 01:21:01,640 manuals and so I think trees definitely have multiple reasons why you would put it in one 880 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:07,560 is aesthetics you know it looks it looks great for um you know being out there but also heat islands 881 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:17,720 things that um you know co-chair uh back brought up um I didn't yeah so you I mean you know because 882 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:23,960 you know because some areas can be very dark correct with no trees or anything and then some 883 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:31,400 areas are beautifully lit with or without trees you know and that could be just any space on any 884 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:40,600 street why why why not the consistency of even just aesthetically aesthetics how does that work 885 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:46,200 sure I'll I'll talk to some of the aesthetic part first since that's the question 886 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:52,520 before yeah that's a good that's a good question uh angel manglis development 887 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:58,840 review manager over in the planning department okay um so street trees as the the information 888 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:04,120 sheet kind of explained there are three different types of of streets our city capital improvement 889 01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,040 built streets the the private ones that are constructed as part of a development and then 890 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:14,840 our our tech stop uh the ones we have most kind of control over is when uh private development is 891 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,080 constructing a street either internally or part of the perimeter of the development we have our 892 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:25,960 street tree requirements in the development code which requires one tree per every 30 linear feet 893 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:33,320 of street frontage those are required to be spaced at intervals between 25 and 50 feet we 894 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:41,160 encourage not any closer nor further apart partially for the aesthetic part however when you do see 895 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:46,840 differences in that spacing or possibly even the location a lot of that is going to be driven by 896 01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:52,040 utility placement so we do have to maintain certain separations from underground utilities 897 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,760 as well as being mindful of overhead electric lines to make sure that those trees are going to 898 01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:04,280 stay in a safe area that's not going to impact that later down the line text dot doesn't typically 899 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:10,200 allow street trees in there in the right of way as noted in this memo but there are some occasions 900 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,920 where we have maintenance agreements to allow for some landscaping within the medians but again 901 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:22,200 taller trees are going to become a possible site visibility issue as well as being mindful of any 902 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:27,000 utilities that are in the area though that's kind of how some of those decisions are are made and 903 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,720 they're um they're looked at as each project comes in to ensure we're meeting those spacing 904 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:38,600 requirements as well as meeting just the minimum numbers we require sure and so whenever there's 905 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:45,480 trees put out in the medians is it the same type of tree or there's certain 906 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:51,480 you know i know there's i've noticed this different kind of trees and just you know plainly 907 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:58,760 speaking in layperson's mindset why are there different types of trees we do actually encourage 908 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:05,800 uh biodiversity uh for a number of reasons one for some variety but also in the event that there 909 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:13,400 were to be some tree specific disease it wouldn't wipe out an entire area's street trees maintaining 910 01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:20,600 some of that biodiversity is a goal of ours all right anybody else have any other questions i was 911 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:26,520 just kind of floating out there in the atmosphere all right well if there are not any additional 912 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:32,680 questions um are there any additional comments that we need to make oh you have a question 913 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:38,920 yeah now are we going on to the the matrix section chair uh the matrix section uh i'm 914 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:46,360 we have the um construction update timeline first is the exhibit two in case you had any questions 915 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:51,880 on that one did you um we don't have a you know pull it up you don't have a you can pull it up 916 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:59,320 i'll wait until we get the images and then we have what are you talking about number three 917 01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:08,760 future items future okay that's what i mean by the nature okay so there's a timeline 918 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:15,240 this schedule you saw this last time so nothing has changed since the last time you saw anybody 919 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:21,400 else okay i just want to say i i really love this edition thank you staff for putting this in this 920 01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:29,000 is all really helpful i i've been able to answer a lot of community questions by looking at having 921 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:34,520 this available to me so thank you yeah it's a nice visual uh and if there's not any questions in that 922 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:42,600 regards i guess we can go to future items on there anybody have any future items you don't have any 923 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:51,240 did you have any future items okay so um i do have a couple i know that we had um we we're asking to 924 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:59,240 get rid of the first item but it's not clear to me that that that item is not that's actually done 925 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:06,440 so i i recognize that we've done a lot of updates on that one but i feel like you know until we get 926 01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:13,080 to a final alignment and we're actually proceeding forward i'd like that one to kind of tacitly stay 927 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,440 on even though i recognize that you sort of you did mostly answer but there's sort of some 928 01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:23,640 outstanding pieces we can we can leave that one on i heard a couple of more discussion about it 929 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:31,160 today so we'll leave it we leave that item on and uh then then the other thing is i know and this is 930 01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:38,360 this is we're just like hot in the middle of it because we have the the community uh engagement 931 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:47,080 meetings on uh the windsor potential extension which i think is coming up very soon item 12 932 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:57,720 sort of yeah um but uh do we have in in both the talks and today i didn't see any updates on 933 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:04,680 on uh sort of let dates and completion dates and things so if we could you know i know this one 934 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:10,680 isn't done but if we could include that those those kinds of timelines like i just praised you 935 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:17,320 know a minute and a half ago i'd appreciate that um and if get re-brought up at the meeting scott 936 01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:24,200 on the 28th i'd love that um unless you want to answer it now i i don't know who knows what 937 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:31,800 uh but i also can wait i don't think it's super urgent and the last thing i wanted to add to the 938 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:39,320 matrix is um i i love that we're seeing cassie here all the time because we're inserting it at 939 01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:47,640 the high level but i guess the uh do we have an eta on on uh vacancy updates uh we have bike pad 940 01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:53,960 and and farhan has come on recently and and the replacement of the city engineer and those sorts 941 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:58,920 of things so it doesn't have to be today but if it could be today that'd be cool otherwise i'd like 942 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:04,200 love to have a vacancy update i was going to add something to the next meeting because i was hoping 943 01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:10,360 to have an update for everyone by the next meeting who will be i mean i love having you here cassie 944 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,920 like also i'm really feeling the love today 945 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:24,040 um my i'm looking at number 13 there november 14 20 cmo transportation services 946 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:36,360 uh division report uh last update was on february the 28th um second quarter um provide in the city 947 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:43,320 quarter second quarter we are planning to provide you quarterly updates um of that division's kind 948 01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:49,960 of work in progress so that's it'll we're proposing to keep that on and just add it as a quarterly 949 01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:57,480 update to this committee now um what about dcta um and that's really what what you know brought 950 01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:05,000 me this to mind when i saw transportation services out of the cmo uh is this going to i haven't we 951 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:11,800 haven't heard from dcta in in a minute but of course my time frame is off on everything 952 01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:20,200 since i'm retired um don't have to keep up with dates too much um what what do we what do we uh 953 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:29,000 decided about dcta and them uh connecting with the city and giving us some updates or 954 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:34,040 how is that gonna work for us what's the outlook i believe we still have it penciled in for dcta 955 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:39,240 to give council quarterly updates okay um i'm not aware of them providing this committee 956 01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:44,120 right because we moved them from here yes because we moved it over to council yeah okay so that's 957 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:51,480 where we're going to uh and so we're not gonna see that here uh to let us know to to be on a lookout 958 01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:59,320 for uh i can add it if as an upcoming kind of that'll be nice highlight that it may when it's 959 01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:05,080 scheduled for council that'll be nice i would appreciate that so we can just uh prepare our 960 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:14,200 mindset for that all right anything else everyone's okay okay uh if there is not any additional 961 01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:23,240 information to be given now we're going to go to our um is there a uh concluding item 962 01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:29,240 anybody have any concluding items okay if there's not any concluding items then we are going to 963 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:39,400 close out the meeting at 11 30 um and thank you all for visiting thank you everybody