1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,980 It's 5.30 p.m. and it is Monday, March 4th, 2024. 2 00:00:06,980 --> 00:00:11,220 And this is the City of Denton Board of Ethics. 3 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:15,860 And I don't -- do we have any B comments 4 00:00:15,860 --> 00:00:18,720 or presentations from the public? 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,820 >> Not that I saw. 6 00:00:19,820 --> 00:00:26,260 >> Okay. So we will move on to two items for consideration. 7 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:30,800 So BOE24-011, consider approval of minutes 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,880 for February 5th and February 8th, 2024. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,380 So do I hear a motion? 10 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:42,780 >> I have a motion to accept the minutes as presented. 11 00:00:42,780 --> 00:00:47,620 >> So Andrea Eberhardt has made a motion to accept the minutes. 12 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:48,580 >> I'll second. 13 00:00:48,580 --> 00:00:51,060 >> And Dustin Howlett's second. 14 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:54,060 >> So all in favor of accepting the minutes as -- 15 00:00:54,060 --> 00:00:57,020 >> All right. 16 00:00:57,020 --> 00:00:59,600 >> So we will move on to -- 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:08,100 do we need to look at the draft advisory opinion or? 18 00:01:08,100 --> 00:01:11,500 >> No, the advisory opinion? 19 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:13,080 >> Right. 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,420 >> That's been republished. 21 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:17,920 It's just in there as an FYI and that's a later item. 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,580 I think we're on the proposed -- the draft red lines. 23 00:01:22,580 --> 00:01:28,360 >> Okay. So BOE24-012, receive a report, hold a discussion 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,500 and give staff direction regarding draft red lines 25 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,260 of the potential proposed amendments from the Board 26 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:39,340 of Ethics to one, repeal and replace ethics ordinance section 27 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:45,140 2-273A, conflicts of interest, and two, 28 00:01:45,140 --> 00:01:51,520 eliminate section 2-281C for evidentiary hearing procedures 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,460 to reflect the elimination of the requirement 30 00:01:54,460 --> 00:01:59,360 of the complainant to testify in evidentiary hearing. 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,400 So I guess we'll look at -- I guess just the red line ordinance. 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,760 >> Right. So we discussed all of this last time. 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,660 I made the changes that you all directed me to 34 00:02:09,660 --> 00:02:13,500 and then I also updated this disclosure section 35 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:16,600 which I missed last time. 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,040 Basically I just removed it because it really -- 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,340 I think it's generally covered by the updated language 38 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:24,520 and then it has this reference to pending matter 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,980 which is not really applicable anymore 40 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:28,280 under the draft red lines. 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,520 And then the only other thing I wanted to point 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,860 out is there's this section on city officials with contracts. 43 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:39,760 That's not currently in the ordinance and it's just language 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,400 from the model code that we haven't really discussed. 45 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,600 So I wanted to make sure we did 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,400 that before we forwarded it to the city council. 47 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Those are kind of the major differences from last time. 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,640 >> I did want to say I would really not like to introduce -- 49 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,840 other than what we're talking about right now -- 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,120 don't want to introduce new things because I would 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,480 like to be able to say we have approved this 52 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,320 and there you go city council. 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,400 When are you going to -- when are you going to look at it? 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,860 So I don't mean to cut anybody's voice off. 55 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:16,260 There are certainly things I could tweak. 56 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:19,100 But I want to say we're done. 57 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:22,240 There you go. 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,340 And I think if we keep tweaking it, then we're going 59 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:30,140 to give reasons to wait longer. 60 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:33,580 So that said, I'll shut everybody down. 61 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:35,320 I hope not. 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,320 I love you not saying this and not saying anything. 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,920 >> I'm not going to say anything that's terrific. 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,600 >> More than this last time. 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,340 I'm 100% happy with where we're at and I'm looking forward 66 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:55,840 to the council unanimously approving this. 67 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,140 >> Me too. 68 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:03,440 Me too. 69 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:10,920 >> So any -- no concerns about the changes to this cycle 70 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,120 up here that basically got eliminated? 71 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,220 >> Andrew? 72 00:04:16,220 --> 00:04:20,460 >> Nope. Because like you said, that's covered by the language 73 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:22,460 that we adopted last time. 74 00:04:22,460 --> 00:04:25,540 >> Okay. And then we did update substantial -- 75 00:04:25,540 --> 00:04:27,540 add substantial here as we discussed, 76 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:30,200 as there was direction to do last time. 77 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:36,840 And then any discussion about this contract section? 78 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:42,220 It seems like it might be sort of covered by all the rest 79 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:44,080 of the withdrawal pieces. 80 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,520 So I don't know that it needs to be in there. 81 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,560 >> I don't think that was our intent. 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Sorry. 83 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,220 >> You mean to omit that? 84 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:51,300 >> To omit it. 85 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:57,500 >> Yeah. I'm good with it as written. 86 00:04:57,500 --> 00:04:59,840 >> So do we need a motion here? 87 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:01,800 >> I don't think so because there's not really any direction 88 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,700 you're giving me to adjust this language. 89 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:05,100 You're telling me there is direction 90 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:06,540 to remove this contract section, 91 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,180 but you never really gave me direction to add it, 92 00:05:08,180 --> 00:05:11,080 so I don't think so. 93 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,820 >> I appreciate your transparency, but -- 94 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:17,960 >> And then -- and then I think the only motion we really need is 95 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,520 to forward the proposed amendments to council, 96 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,160 which is really the next item, so. 97 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,560 >> Okay. So we move on to -- 98 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:36,240 >> Do we need to talk about the rule and procedure part? 99 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,880 >> You -- so y'all discussed 100 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,840 that originally in October last year. 101 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,740 I know a while ago at this point. 102 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:45,180 But you're certainly welcome to discuss that again 103 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:46,120 if you would like to. 104 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,580 >> I don't have anything to add. 105 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:50,920 I just know that it was on the -- 106 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,420 it was in that item in the agenda, so. 107 00:05:55,420 --> 00:05:58,920 >> It was exhibit 30. 108 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,960 >> Yeah. And it's really updated to kind of reflect the change 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,400 to removing the burden of proof requirements, 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,600 and so allowing the complainant to choose whether 111 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,800 or not they would like to testify. 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:13,940 >> I don't have any comments on that. 113 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:16,980 I think it is exactly what we have. 114 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:19,880 >> Were we planning to include that in the packet 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,180 with these other two items, because -- 116 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:25,620 >> So that is the second item. 117 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,680 It's -- yeah. 118 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,420 >> I was -- okay, so. 119 00:06:29,420 --> 00:06:31,660 >> You can certainly give direction to only do one 120 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:32,900 of them if you would like to. 121 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:34,620 I think originally that was the plan. 122 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:38,160 >> So is everybody okay with the rules and procedure? 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,940 Yeah, that was -- I've slept many times since we approved that. 124 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:45,940 So, okay, so. 125 00:06:45,940 --> 00:06:46,940 >> No, I feel the same way. 126 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:48,380 We've discussed it. 127 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:49,940 >> Forward march. 128 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:55,040 So do -- we've already moved on everything. 129 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,080 We didn't change anything tonight. 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,820 So, okay. 131 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:03,080 >> Yeah, so then the next item would be 132 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,660 to actually forward these proposals 133 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:08,960 to the city council, eventually. 134 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,800 >> Yes. 135 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,860 >> Yes. 136 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:15,340 >> I moved them before the red line. 137 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:17,340 >> I think we have to read that item first before -- 138 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:18,000 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 139 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,980 >> Oh, okay. 140 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:23,140 >> Sorry. They're separate, to make it clear. 141 00:07:23,140 --> 00:07:25,280 >> Exhibit three, rule -- 142 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,080 >> These are the items. 143 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,320 >> Yeah, item C, DOE 24-013, receive a report, 144 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,760 hold a discussion, and take necessary action regarding 145 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,900 forwarding proposals to amend city of Denton code 146 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:47,600 of ordinances chapter two, article 11, ethics, 147 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,980 and the board of ethics rules of procedure to the city council. 148 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:56,380 Exhibit one would be the agenda information sheet, 149 00:07:56,380 --> 00:08:01,520 and then the exhibit two is a letter of proposed amendments. 150 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:08,560 >> Yeah, so the draft letter, I can pull it up in a second. 151 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,700 The options are really to forward it to council 152 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:13,900 as it's presented, forward it as amended, 153 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:15,460 based on your discussion, or just to put it 154 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:17,640 on next meeting's agenda, as well, 155 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,700 based on direction that you do. 156 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,740 >> Do I hear a motion? 157 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:27,780 >> I'll make a motion that we forward to council for approval 158 00:08:27,780 --> 00:08:31,820 as written today, the written lines. 159 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:34,920 >> I'll second that. 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,220 >> Okay. Andrea seconded, Dustin made the motion. 161 00:08:39,220 --> 00:08:40,960 Any discussion? 162 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,520 Okay. All in favor? 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,200 >> Aye. 164 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,900 >> It's unanimous. 165 00:08:47,900 --> 00:09:01,440 Okay. So item D, BOE 24-014, receiver report, 166 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,780 holds a discussion and gives staff direction regarding the 167 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:07,880 definition of complainant as it relates to the city 168 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,180 of Denton code of ordinances, 169 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:15,200 chapter two, article 11, ethics. 170 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,900 So I have nothing prepared for this. 171 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:23,900 This was, I believe I was given direction to put this 172 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:26,840 on the agenda, and this was specifically something I know 173 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,180 members, core members over there wanted to discuss. 174 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,840 He was unable to be here tonight, so. 175 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,240 >> So. 176 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,680 >> Should we table it so we can attend? 177 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:42,020 >> I would suggest we table that to our next meeting. 178 00:09:42,020 --> 00:09:45,820 >> It's a very entertaining definition 179 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:53,300 because it calls the complainant human, but I looked 180 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:56,400 at the legal definition that doesn't mention the humans. 181 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,340 >> I think his concern was whether or not it had 182 00:09:58,340 --> 00:10:01,380 to be an individual or this could be a group 183 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:04,540 or something like that, but I don't want to speak for him, 184 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:09,320 and I think it would make sense to table it. 185 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,920 >> To our next meeting. 186 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:17,260 [ Inaudible ] 187 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:18,520 >> I don't have a problem to table it, 188 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,220 but I think there is a rule about, because I tried 189 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:26,060 to table something like that, and the lawyer was saying. 190 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:27,040 >> I don't know what the rule is. 191 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,800 >> I have a rule about it of not being able 192 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,800 to bring it back up if we table it. 193 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Some, there was something. 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,600 >> Okay, so we had, there is some parliamentary language. 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,480 >> Yeah, there's a parliamentary language 196 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,740 that makes it when we say table it. 197 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:43,380 >> Okay. 198 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:45,120 >> I'm glad you, I know there's some kind 199 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,720 of weird language for that. 200 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,480 >> Yeah, so it's just the way Robert's rule is written. 201 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,060 So when you say you lay it on the table, you're adding it 202 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:57,100 to be debated, but you're moving to postpone the item. 203 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:58,060 >> Yes, exactly. 204 00:10:58,060 --> 00:11:01,440 >> So we have to move to postpone. 205 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,940 >> Yeah, okay. 206 00:11:02,940 --> 00:11:06,040 >> I'll move that we postpone this agenda item 207 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,240 to a future meeting. 208 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,180 >> And I'll second that. 209 00:11:10,180 --> 00:11:13,940 >> Andrea seconded that, okay. 210 00:11:13,940 --> 00:11:16,320 >> I think we have time for one. 211 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,780 >> All in favor? 212 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:19,280 >> Aye. 213 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:35,860 >> So, so now we are at item E, new investment reports. 214 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:37,740 So I guess. 215 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:40,780 Yeah, so you requested last time that I provide information 216 00:11:40,780 --> 00:11:44,900 about council candidate filing, or sorry, 217 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:48,340 financial campaign information. 218 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:52,480 That letter is provided, the city secretary's office provided 219 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,560 that to me, so I included that just for your reference. 220 00:11:55,560 --> 00:12:02,560 And then the, in February we issued advisory opinion 24-001. 221 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,300 It's already been issued, it's just as an FYI basically. 222 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:08,140 And then in case you want to give direction based 223 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:10,240 on what was decided or anything. 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,400 For our prior to the item, sorry. 225 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:21,640 I can pull up the letter or the advisory opinion if you would like. 226 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:28,680 >> What do you, what's your pleasure? 227 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:33,180 >> It's really if you have anything you would 228 00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:35,800 like to discuss, we don't have to do anything. 229 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,760 Just for informational purposes. 230 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,360 >> I read over it in the final minute, but I need to hear. 231 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,200 I guess, I guess it needs to be a motion for this. 232 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,040 >> It doesn't have to be a motion. 233 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,040 >> Oh, okay. 234 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:53,180 Anybody have any, any problems with just moving on or. 235 00:12:53,180 --> 00:12:56,380 >> Did you want to talk more about the finance stuff? 236 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:57,680 >> It wouldn't be, we wouldn't be able 237 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,720 to change the advisory opinion, right? 238 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,220 Because that panel was, that panel had the, 239 00:13:02,220 --> 00:13:05,720 had the facts in front of them, and they made the decision. 240 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,320 And so, is this the one that you and I did? 241 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Is that, okay. 242 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,560 >> Do you agree with your decision? 243 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:15,700 >> I do agree with my decision. 244 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:16,360 >> Then we're good. 245 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,360 >> Sometimes things come up that we're like, oh, 246 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,200 we may need to look at the code in this section. 247 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,340 So that's why, you know, make sure you all are aware 248 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:26,640 when advisory opinions are issued, what they say, you know. 249 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,140 >> This is a confusing question. 250 00:13:29,140 --> 00:13:31,620 >> That's, that was the only thing is like I was just curious 251 00:13:31,620 --> 00:13:33,720 about the question just because, but I don't think 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,160 that there needs to be any conversation about it because. 253 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,980 >> No, it's a confusing question. 254 00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:40,520 And I think you guys did a good job. 255 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,660 >> Thank you. 256 00:13:41,660 --> 00:13:43,860 >> We move on. 257 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:45,200 Well, we are clipping right through. 258 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,000 We are now to our last agenda item. 259 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,340 >> So it's meeting we've had in a while. 260 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:53,000 [ Laughter ] 261 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,580 >> DOE 24-016, receive a report, hold a discussion, 262 00:13:57,580 --> 00:14:01,840 and give staff direction regarding future meeting topics. 263 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:09,860 >> So if you look at the post, I guess you can pull that up. 264 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:29,200 >> I like this sheet better, but this one has all the options 265 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,840 that we discussed discussing at some point. 266 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,620 And then I guess you postponed this to the definition 267 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:37,540 of complainant will come back next meeting. 268 00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:40,020 And then we currently don't have anything else on the agenda 269 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:44,180 that you've given direction to discuss. 270 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:49,360 >> I would like to suggest that we maybe not meet next April 271 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,560 because I don't know, I mean this April or the next meeting 272 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,840 or maybe not in May because I want to hear a response 273 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,940 from city council first and I don't know why we're going 274 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:06,180 to keep trying to turn on all these things that we're interested 275 00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:09,040 in changing without hearing. 276 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,980 >> You think? 277 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:11,280 >> Yeah. 278 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,580 >> Another decision. 279 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,580 >> The one thing that I'm concerned about if we're not 280 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:19,460 meeting, if we're not meeting in April or May, 281 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:24,360 that that may throw us off in terms of our meetings 282 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,360 for the summer because I think it will be a whole lot more 283 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,340 difficult for people with traveling in June and July. 284 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:35,300 So that would be my concern, 285 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:38,140 especially since we have the definition of complainant. 286 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:39,640 We have 30 minutes on there. 287 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,420 So I would say when is the next city council meeting? 288 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:45,040 When will this be presented? 289 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,620 >> This will be presented June 4th. 290 00:15:47,620 --> 00:15:49,560 So there will actually be three meetings 291 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,460 of the board before that is discussed. 292 00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:53,160 >> Right. 293 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,460 >> Or that I said a little bit. 294 00:15:55,460 --> 00:15:58,960 >> I guess my feeling is just that the last time we brought 295 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,800 up some very minor changes, it just got mowed down. 296 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,300 And so now we're talking about something kind of big and -- 297 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:13,680 >> I show you a concern. 298 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:14,480 >> Yeah. 299 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,980 >> Yeah. But I would -- 300 00:16:15,980 --> 00:16:18,740 I think that since it is only the three of us today 301 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:23,580 or four of us, maybe we should keep the April meeting 302 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:27,320 and move that definition of complainant 303 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,820 and then see if we need to meet in May. 304 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:33,500 >> What do you guys think? 305 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:38,740 >> And is that the one that Zoltman wanted to talk about? 306 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:40,300 Okay. And so if he comes next time, 307 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:45,140 he'll get his chance to talk about that. 308 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:49,120 >> So we just -- and I think if we're still feeling this way, 309 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,520 next month and we still haven't gotten any kind of response 310 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,920 under the apparent delay, then maybe we cancel May. 311 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,320 >> So we're not going to get a response before June 4th 312 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,560 because that's when it's scheduled 313 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,800 on the work session agenda. 314 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,420 That's not really a decision council made. 315 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:10,760 That's a decision based on the time available at work sessions. 316 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,900 >> I just think this is really important 317 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:18,100 and I don't know why they couldn't add it 318 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:21,500 to something sooner than that. 319 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:26,680 >> So I guess the question is do we want to have at least one 320 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,180 of the April or May meetings 321 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:31,880 so we can do the definition of complainant? 322 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,260 >> April would be better to have them in skip May rather 323 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:37,720 than vice versa, right? 324 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,560 >> True. 325 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,900 >> I mean if we meet in -- 326 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:41,860 if we have our normally scheduled meeting in June, 327 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:43,460 that would be after the -- 328 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:45,200 >> No, it will be the day before. 329 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,500 >> It will be the day before. 330 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:49,060 >> So the next meeting will be July if we wait until -- 331 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:52,240 >> And typically we have not met in July. 332 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,340 >> Correct. 333 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:56,780 >> Because that is usually right around July 4th 334 00:17:56,780 --> 00:17:58,900 so we typically have not met in July. 335 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,620 >> Well, the city council is going 336 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:02,980 to unanimously approve our changes 337 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:06,180 so there probably won't be any need to meet, right? 338 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:07,480 >> That's a really good point. 339 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,460 >> We'll use the June meeting for a pep rally before this. 340 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:14,700 [ Laughter ] 341 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,560 >> It's like when the kids take STAAR tests 342 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,940 and have a pep rally on the day before. 343 00:18:19,940 --> 00:18:24,940 >> I would like to propose that we have an April meeting 344 00:18:24,940 --> 00:18:26,740 and do the definition of complainant. 345 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:29,640 >> Okay. And then we can revisit this issue -- 346 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,840 >> Because I would like to feel like we're doing something -- 347 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,980 >> Yeah. 348 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:34,620 >> Instead of kind of having three months where we're -- 349 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:35,880 >> Yes. 350 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,460 >> Waiting around on the scheduling challenges. 351 00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:43,720 >> So the April meeting is on April, is it? 352 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,060 >> I believe it's on April 1st. 353 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:51,320 That's the first Monday of April, so. 354 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,700 >> Okay. And then the May meeting is? 355 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:56,140 >> The 13th. 356 00:18:56,140 --> 00:18:58,840 >> Because I will be out of town on the first Monday, 357 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,840 which is the 6th. 358 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,340 >> Oh, I have a problem with the 13th. 359 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:05,300 >> May 13th? 360 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:06,380 >> Yeah. 361 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:09,780 >> Well, we might skip that one, right? 362 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:11,580 >> That would help me, but -- 363 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:14,880 >> Well, we can decide to skip the May meeting in April. 364 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,160 >> Yes. 365 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,160 >> If we're meeting, we can decide it. 366 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,660 >> Okay. Did you say that the May meeting would be on the -- 367 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,020 >> The 13th, correct. 368 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:23,600 >> So we're moving that one? 369 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,000 >> Yes. I will be out of town on the 6th. 370 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,400 >> Okay. I already -- you -- 371 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,300 >> Unfortunately, no one else is able to do this. 372 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:30,500 >> No, you told us -- you told us about this 373 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:32,200 because I already changed my schedule. 374 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,500 >> I remember that too. 375 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:34,800 >> Thank you. 376 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:43,080 >> So the direction is to meet in April 377 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,280 as scheduled with the definition of the planet being the only 378 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,620 thing on the agenda at this time, 379 00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:50,820 besides the normal things. 380 00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:51,520 >> Yeah. 381 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,060 >> All right. 382 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:57,500 >> Anything else for this agenda item? 383 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:07,600 Any other topics you want to put into April? 384 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,180 Not at this time. 385 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:10,680 >> I don't have anything. 386 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:19,020 >> Okay. Well, then, it is now 5:50 p.m. 387 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:21,480 and this meeting is adjourned.