WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.660 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton traffic safety commission meeting. 00:00:10.660 --> 00:00:14.520 It is Monday July 1st 2019. 00:00:14.520 --> 00:00:19.100 We have a quorum and it is 534. 00:00:19.100 --> 00:00:30.540 The first item up for discussion is number 1A, items for consideration, TSC 19-029 which 00:00:30.540 --> 00:00:37.280 is to consider the approval of the traffic safety commission meetings of June 3rd 2019. 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.160 Does everyone have a chance to look at them? 00:00:39.160 --> 00:00:45.280 Does anybody have any corrections or additions or is somebody ready to make a motion? 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:46.640 I move we accept. 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.220 We have one motion for approval. 00:00:49.220 --> 00:00:50.220 Second. 00:00:50.220 --> 00:00:51.640 We have a second. 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:52.640 Everyone in favor? 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:53.640 Aye. 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.640 Aye. 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:55.640 Opposed? 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:56.640 Okay. 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:57.640 Passes unanimously. 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:05.240 We're moving on to item 1B, TSC 19-030 which is to receive a report and hold a discussion 00:01:05.240 --> 00:01:10.960 regarding the parking enforcement on the city streets around the University of North Texas 00:01:10.960 --> 00:01:17.080 from university transportation services. 00:01:17.080 --> 00:01:21.700 Good evening members of the commission. 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:23.160 My name is Pritam Deshmukh. 00:01:23.160 --> 00:01:30.680 I'm the deputy city engineer and I would like to introduce the new staff liaison which is 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.740 our new city traffic engineer Brian Yon. 00:01:34.740 --> 00:01:40.680 He brings a lot of experience and I think you're in good hands moving forward. 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:46.280 So I want to get this item started, hand over the baton and Brian is going to take it from 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:47.280 there. 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.520 It was a pleasure working with you all. 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:50.520 Thank you. 00:01:50.520 --> 00:01:56.560 And we're going to be hazing Brian. 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:01.320 So I think we're going to play a video from the mobility committee and then Mr. Phelps 00:02:01.320 --> 00:02:05.520 is in the audience to take questions so we're going to see if we can get this to work. 00:02:05.520 --> 00:02:12.840 That's what we're going to do. 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:13.840 Deal? 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:14.840 Yeah. 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:15.840 And you can bring that cards up any time. 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.040 But we'll take one more item and then we'll go to the Forest Ridge item. 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:25.080 Just we're going to receive a report and hold this is item H. Receive a report and hold 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.280 a discussion regarding the parking enforcement on the city streets around the University 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.080 of North Texas from university transportation services. 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.400 I'll just highlight for those who follow these sort of things, it's not a pending matter. 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:37.400 We're not giving direction. 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.400 We're going to receive a report and hold a discussion. 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:41.400 Good morning. 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.400 My name is Chris Phelps. 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:43.400 I'm the Director for Transportation Services at UNT. 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:59.280 With me today I have Brandy Renton, our Associate Vice President, over transportation services 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.040 and Stan Nixon, Assistant Director for Transportation Services. 00:03:04.040 --> 00:03:05.440 We wanted to take this opportunity. 00:03:05.440 --> 00:03:07.440 We appreciate the invitation out this morning. 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:14.720 Unfortunately, last month we were, I think, in the midst of commencement so we were out 00:03:14.720 --> 00:03:15.720 helping that event. 00:03:15.720 --> 00:03:17.920 So we appreciate the opportunity to come here. 00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:24.880 I'd like to use this as an opportunity to begin a conversation with the committee. 00:03:24.880 --> 00:03:28.360 I think this is my first time here. 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.520 We do have a number of working relationships with folks. 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:33.520 Welcome. 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:34.520 Thank you. 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:35.520 Thank you. 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:37.880 We have a number of working relationships with folks here in the room. 00:03:37.880 --> 00:03:39.960 We're very appreciative of that. 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:45.520 We want to give you kind of an overview of what we do with transportation services and 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:52.240 then kind of begin that conversation of where you think that's appropriate at this committee 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.760 level as we go forward with the city. 00:03:54.760 --> 00:03:58.120 We've had some initiatives in the past several months and I think there's a great opportunity 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:02.440 for us to give you an overview of what we do, help you understand what we do and how 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:11.320 we can work together to help both our community for our residents and our students and our 00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:17.280 visitors and guests that are coming. 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:18.920 What do we have in way of resources? 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.160 I think we all hear about parking as a general thing. 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:30.400 We currently have more than 13,000 spaces to accommodate parking on campus both at the 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:33.060 main campus and Discovery Park. 00:04:33.060 --> 00:04:43.640 Last year we added over 500 spaces out near Apogee Park or Apogee Field to assist with 00:04:43.640 --> 00:04:47.640 student parking, resident parking. 00:04:47.640 --> 00:04:51.000 Big major project going on at the former Fouts Field location. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.760 The stadium is down, we're paving today, there's asphalting going on. 00:04:56.760 --> 00:05:03.120 That will add an additional 1,000 spaces to our inventory. 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:07.280 Campus population is roughly 45,000 folks. 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:14.800 The mix of what we have in terms of hourly visitor permitted valet, the options transportation 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.600 is enough to meet the needs of our community. 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:24.960 We'll talk about, and with the addition of Fouts, the 1,000 spaces will meet the needs 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:26.680 for some time to come. 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:32.520 So when we hear about parking is a challenge at UNT, that is true. 00:05:32.520 --> 00:05:36.520 There are some location issues, certainly not an inventory issue. 00:05:36.520 --> 00:05:41.720 We have parking for folks on campus and we have a variety of options to help them pay 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.000 for that parking. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.800 So we've gone from a more traditional mode where it's a permit, so we have folks who 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:52.920 do distance learning or other types of learning where there may be more infrequent visitors 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:53.920 to campus. 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:59.080 We have different options to help that because a permit may not be the best fit for their 00:05:59.080 --> 00:06:03.560 needs and so we want to be sensitive to that. 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:09.520 Talking about some of the alternatives that we have, Zipcar, we encourage folks nowadays 00:06:09.520 --> 00:06:14.680 with our partnership with DCTA that get you in and around town. 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:15.680 You don't need a car. 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:21.560 We have four Zipcars that you can rent by the hour, anywhere from about $5.50 an hour 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.040 to $9.50 an hour, which includes your fuel, your insurance, the whole ball of work. 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:32.120 So you've absolutely, positively got to go somewhere that you can't get on a DCTA bus, 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:33.120 use the Zipcar. 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:38.440 They can be rented by the hour, by the day, by the weekend, and whatnot. 00:06:38.440 --> 00:06:45.240 Parking at Med Park, appreciate Nicole's talk there about using Med Park as a parking area. 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:50.360 We use that with the partnership with DCTA as a way for folks to, if they're coming up 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:56.400 I-35E, they can park at Med Park, ride the Colorado Express in, and it takes you directly 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:57.400 to the Union. 00:06:57.400 --> 00:07:02.680 So if you don't want to pay for parking on campus or deal with the location issues, stop 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:04.120 at Med Park, ride the bus in. 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.840 It's convenient. 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:07.680 It's all-day service. 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:08.680 Use the A-Train. 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.800 We're a quick trip from downtown. 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:16.200 Use the VO Ride partnerships that we've got, we've got some options using the quick bicycle 00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:17.200 ride down. 00:07:17.200 --> 00:07:20.320 Public transportation within the city of Denton. 00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:22.080 We'll talk a little bit more here. 00:07:22.080 --> 00:07:26.160 The students pay a transportation fee for bus service. 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:32.600 That is a fee, and we'll talk later about that, but as part of that fee, as we've negotiated 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:38.200 with DCTA, is they can use their student ID to access any fixed route within the city 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:40.640 of Denton to go where they need to go. 00:07:40.640 --> 00:07:43.760 And then, of course, VO Ride. 00:07:43.760 --> 00:07:44.760 Parking behaviors. 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:49.080 I've been in transportation a very long time, most of it in public transportation. 00:07:49.080 --> 00:07:53.960 Parking, I'll tell you what our data shows, people don't like change. 00:07:53.960 --> 00:07:57.640 We've had a lot of change at UNT in the last several years. 00:07:57.640 --> 00:08:02.560 1,200 parking spaces lost due to the new buildings and infrastructure that's going in. 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:09.380 These are great things, but surface lots on the interior campus are a dialing breed. 00:08:09.380 --> 00:08:11.080 It's prime real estate. 00:08:11.080 --> 00:08:13.400 As we develop the campus, these are where things go. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:15.500 So parking goes to the periphery. 00:08:15.500 --> 00:08:18.680 People don't like to pay for parking on campus. 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:23.360 As you look at paying for parking, we all pay for parking irrespective of where we go. 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:27.120 If I go shopping at the grocery store, I'm paying for parking. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:30.360 It's wrapped up as part of the overhead. 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:35.480 Because of the way in which state statute is written, we cannot wrap up our parking 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.000 fees into a fee or a tuition. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.700 Only those people who use our services can be charged for it. 00:08:42.700 --> 00:08:47.120 If you come to campus, don't own a car, don't park on campus, you don't have to pay for 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:48.120 our services. 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:54.120 But the people who do, they have to pay for that. 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.400 So there's that understanding why. 00:08:55.400 --> 00:08:56.400 And emotional. 00:08:56.400 --> 00:08:57.400 Yes, sir? 00:08:57.400 --> 00:08:58.400 >> We have a question. 00:08:58.400 --> 00:08:59.400 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:08:59.400 --> 00:09:03.240 >> I just wanted to ask the question before I forget and why you just said it. 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:07.720 So you mentioned earlier that there's a transportation fee. 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:08.720 >> Yes. 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:09.720 >> Is that for all students? 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:10.720 >> Yes. 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:19.440 It is for all students, not covered by a waiver exemption, and attend class on campus. 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:23.720 >> And so that parking fee is something different than the transportation fee? 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:24.720 >> Correct. 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.240 And that's covered in state statute. 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.880 The fee is something the students, they vote on, and they pay for out of their student 00:09:31.880 --> 00:09:32.880 fees. 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:35.400 And so it's a very specific part of legislation. 00:09:35.400 --> 00:09:40.840 The student transportation fee can only be used for buses, it may not be used for parking. 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:41.840 Parking funds go both ways. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.320 I can use it for parking, I can use it for bikes, I can use it for buses. 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.400 But it doesn't work the reverse. 00:09:47.400 --> 00:09:53.000 So it's a very tailored specific fee that is allowed under current legislation. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.000 >> Okay. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.480 I was just trying to get that straight. 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:57.480 >> Yeah. 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:58.480 It is, a lot of people don't know. 00:09:58.480 --> 00:09:59.480 And it is very specific. 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:03.800 I'll talk a little bit more about the transportation fee and what we've got there. 00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:07.440 And I was going to wrap up on behaviors being emotional. 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.320 It's an emotional event for folks. 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:12.400 I mean, we're all users of services. 00:10:12.400 --> 00:10:16.960 As you go somewhere and you pull in and you get that front spot, you feel pretty good. 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.680 But I would venture how many of you have ever called into the store manager and said, hey, 00:10:20.680 --> 00:10:22.320 I got a front spot, thank you. 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.320 No, we don't. 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:24.480 We go on about our day. 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:31.160 But we hear from folks vocalizing issues about the parking challenges on campus. 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:33.800 And so we've got some ways that we have begun outreach. 00:10:33.800 --> 00:10:36.600 We'll continue to do outreach, build partnerships. 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.200 We want our students and our guests to be successful. 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.160 So we need to make sure that we're making sure that they have the information they need 00:10:43.160 --> 00:10:47.400 to make those choices as they go forward. 00:10:47.400 --> 00:10:50.120 Parking enforcement, we do it. 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.800 It's one of the services outside of the others. 00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:56.240 But we do enforce parking on campus. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:57.240 Why? 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.160 Tens of thousands of people are on campus every day. 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:05.720 When you look at densities at UNT proper, as compared to regular Denton County, I think 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.280 it's somewhere in the numbers. 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:11.580 I think Denton County population density is probably 1,400 people per mile. 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:15.600 You get into UNT, it's upwards of 25, 26,000 people. 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:22.080 So there's a lot of people in a very congested area, and that creates a lot of challenges. 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:27.640 80% of the people, we go with the old 80/20 rule, 80% of the people go forward with their 00:11:27.640 --> 00:11:28.640 day. 00:11:28.640 --> 00:11:29.640 They have a good day. 00:11:29.640 --> 00:11:37.280 The 20% are the ones that create problems for the rest of us, and unfortunately we work 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:42.720 to ensure that the people who pay for the services they want get access to those services. 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:46.340 So folks aren't taking advantage of that. 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:54.520 We do some things to help become more of a service and less of an enforcement. 00:11:54.520 --> 00:12:00.320 This year, with the new academic year, we've made a change to our enforcement structure. 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.720 It's a more staggered approach. 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:12.780 So the first two citations you get are either $0 or very minimal nuisance, kind of $10 charge. 00:12:12.780 --> 00:12:16.520 That's our opportunity to kind of say, hey, here's the rules, here's the regs, here's 00:12:16.520 --> 00:12:20.760 what you need, outreach so that folks know if they have questions, they can reach us. 00:12:20.760 --> 00:12:26.680 As you progressively move on through getting the same one, the third, fourth, and fifth 00:12:26.680 --> 00:12:29.320 time, the fees get greater and greater. 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:35.820 Hopefully this will encourage folks that didn't know, okay, hey, whoops, I now have some information, 00:12:35.820 --> 00:12:40.920 I can contact someone, and those that know, they know. 00:12:40.920 --> 00:12:42.120 We work with our customers. 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.520 We spend an amount of time, especially first time in college. 00:12:45.520 --> 00:12:48.920 These are the kids fresh out of high school. 00:12:48.920 --> 00:12:50.200 It's a brand new world for them. 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:57.360 So we spend a lot of times doing outreach for them to help them navigate that transition 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:58.360 into life. 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.800 And part of it in our department, we kid that they're in class studying whatever topics 00:13:03.800 --> 00:13:08.240 are of interest to their major or personally, but we're kind of helping them in that transition 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:09.240 into life. 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:17.240 So you get that citation, call us, let us hear from you, let us know what's going on. 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:24.120 Warning stickers, we've made a change this last year where we do put some warning stickers 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.120 on vehicles windows. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:26.120 They're bright green. 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.620 You can't miss them if you see them driving around. 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:34.000 That's basically a sticker that says, hey, we've noticed you have a problem on your parking 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.000 account. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.180 You have 48 hours to give us a call. 00:13:38.180 --> 00:13:42.360 Let us hear from you so that we can help you with whatever it is. 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:47.840 As a last resort, we have to tow someone or impound somebody's vehicle, but we all make 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.760 these efforts that folks say, hey, please call us. 00:13:50.760 --> 00:13:55.080 And again, a lot of these are students that are making decisions. 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.080 They don't know the consequences. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:57.080 They're embarrassed. 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.520 They hope it'll go away. 00:14:00.520 --> 00:14:05.280 And the worst thing we can do is impound their property, and it spirals out. 00:14:05.280 --> 00:14:08.380 So we hope that some of these things say, hey, we're kind of serious. 00:14:08.380 --> 00:14:10.080 We really want to hear from you. 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.260 And I think that's been a success this last year and the implementation of that in terms 00:14:15.260 --> 00:14:22.160 of people coming in to talk to us, and that's huge for us to have that opportunity to visit. 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:23.160 Folks are busy. 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:24.160 They've got a lot going on. 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:27.680 I understand this is the last thing you want to do, but we want to help you be successful. 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:34.120 And then proactive education through orientations, through residence halls, through community 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.240 events, coming out and doing things like this. 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:43.680 We want to reach out to folks, let them know of the education, so that here's what you 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:44.680 can do. 00:14:44.680 --> 00:14:48.680 Here's the resources for you. 00:14:48.680 --> 00:14:50.400 Where do my parking dollars go? 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:51.400 So I got to pay to park. 00:14:51.400 --> 00:14:53.440 What do I get for that? 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.160 Capital improvements, new parking lots. 00:14:56.160 --> 00:15:02.640 We've got $14 million going in at Fouts, 3 and 1/2, we talked about it at Apogee, Highland 00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:03.640 Street Garage. 00:15:03.640 --> 00:15:06.240 We've got a bond mortgage on that. 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:10.040 So in 2042, I think we're paid off on that. 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:15.000 So that's a $22 million facility that needs to be paid for. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.240 Operating and maintenance, lot maintenance, lights, striping, potholes, curb stops. 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.960 Police services, we fund 80% of the UNT Police Department, so public safety. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:29.600 So your dollars get public safety on campus, which is very important. 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.740 Event support, I mentioned commencements. 00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:36.840 We do an enormous amount of event support on campus. 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.920 We're a destination for not only students, but guests and visitors that may be coming 00:15:41.920 --> 00:15:47.680 to hear a guest speaker going to graduation ceremony or other type of events. 00:15:47.680 --> 00:15:56.460 So we're there as a destination, so we want to help folks, helps go. 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:58.800 So again, my parking dollars, this is where they go. 00:15:58.800 --> 00:16:03.120 Notice this is not transportation dollars, it's parking dollars. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:09.880 Our next steps, we want to improve our partnerships with the City of Denton, with all of our stakeholders. 00:16:09.880 --> 00:16:11.600 This is part of that today. 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:16.520 How can we help work with you so that you have the information that you need so when 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:20.640 you hear from constituents, you hear from business owners, you hear from interested 00:16:20.640 --> 00:16:24.640 parties in the public about parking at UNT, you know where to go. 00:16:24.640 --> 00:16:30.720 We've enjoyed working with the staff, we look to increase that and make our staff available 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.400 to you all so that we're a resource for you as well. 00:16:35.400 --> 00:16:38.620 Transportation fee sustainability, this is the bus fee. 00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:48.440 It was created in January 2003 at $3.50 per credit hour, and it has remained that fee 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.000 ever since. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.880 So as you look at, you think, okay, well, what's happened over time? 00:16:53.880 --> 00:16:58.400 When you look at what you paid for stuff in 2003 versus today, there's an obvious change. 00:16:58.400 --> 00:17:04.360 Bus drivers are making more money, buses are more expensive to buy, cost of doing business 00:17:04.360 --> 00:17:05.360 has increased. 00:17:05.360 --> 00:17:09.720 Yes, it's based on a student credit hour, so you say, okay, well, there's some growth. 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:15.000 Well, we've reached in long past that point where growth provides sustainability for that. 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:21.460 So we have begun a discussion, we'll be continuing a discussion with student leadership on campus 00:17:21.460 --> 00:17:23.960 about what that sustainability looks like. 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.940 Do we need to take a look at what services do you want? 00:17:27.940 --> 00:17:32.240 What do you as students want in terms of transportation? 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:38.080 And then what do you want to pay for and make sure that the fee aligns with those expectations. 00:17:38.080 --> 00:17:45.080 And increased spaces on campus reduces competition for parking, managing expectations, better 00:17:45.080 --> 00:17:47.440 bus service with new station. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:49.960 We've got a bus station going out at Fouts. 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:56.080 There's a dedicated transfer station with amenities, covered waiting, it'll have Wi-Fi, 00:17:56.080 --> 00:18:00.360 it'll have monitors for bus arrival information, it's dedicated. 00:18:00.360 --> 00:18:05.360 So it's not competing right now like it does with pedestrians and traffic. 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:07.720 So that will help that. 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:16.400 We've begun to look at some long range planning with DCTA, the cog on some bigger projects 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:23.520 that I think would complement not only the university but the neighborhood as we manage 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:27.160 that destination as being a source for where people go. 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.280 So there's some things out there. 00:18:31.280 --> 00:18:40.560 As we look at transportation changes, it's being competitive in the marketplace and we're 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:45.320 fortunate in this area to be blessed with a lot of population, a lot of growth, a lot 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:46.960 of, again, people coming here. 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:54.600 And we want to continue to lead on being competitive and being a choice for folks. 00:18:54.600 --> 00:19:01.720 And so we think with the options that we've got, it helps students, faculty, staff, guests, 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:05.040 and visitors manage their trip out. 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:08.400 And we'd like to continue working with you. 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:16.160 So a very generic overview, you may have some specific questions, and we're happy to begin 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:17.160 that conversation. 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.760 I'm happy to answer any questions you might have today. 00:19:19.760 --> 00:19:26.040 Again, we're here, we are a resource for you, please let us know how we can help you. 00:19:26.040 --> 00:19:32.780 So I know it's very general, but I'd like to answer any questions that you might have. 00:19:32.780 --> 00:19:38.800 So we have two options, one, we can listen to the question and answer from the mobility 00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:39.800 panel. 00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:42.400 Okay, can you hear me now? 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.400 So we have two options. 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.280 We can listen to the question and answer period from the mobility committee, or we can just 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:50.120 jump into, because Mr. Phelps is here. 00:19:50.120 --> 00:19:54.040 If you have specific questions you'd like to ask, we can just jump straight into that 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:55.400 choice of the committee. 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:56.600 How long did their questions stay? 00:19:56.600 --> 00:19:57.600 I don't remember. 00:19:57.600 --> 00:19:59.200 I was there, but I do not remember. 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:00.560 It was a while. 00:20:00.560 --> 00:20:04.880 So again, this is online, you can always come back and watch it. 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.240 So if you'd like just to jump into your specific questions. 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:13.080 Yeah, we'd like to hear from you. 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:24.460 Well, I'll go back and watch it. 00:20:24.460 --> 00:20:26.560 Good evening and thank you again. 00:20:26.560 --> 00:20:30.520 I'm Chris Phelps, Director for Transportation Services at UNT. 00:20:30.520 --> 00:20:32.360 I am pleased to be here. 00:20:32.360 --> 00:20:34.000 I brought Stan Nixon with me. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:40.760 He helps with our transit projects, special projects, a lot of our planning efforts there 00:20:40.760 --> 00:20:42.760 as an Assistant Director in our department. 00:20:42.760 --> 00:20:45.920 I believe this is the second time I've been to this committee. 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.320 We was here last year, so happy to be back. 00:20:49.320 --> 00:20:52.880 I think my understanding is we kind of did this backwards. 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.200 We hit mobility committee before traffic safety. 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:02.600 Nonetheless, I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to answer questions, share information. 00:21:02.600 --> 00:21:05.040 I'll leave some cards for you all. 00:21:05.040 --> 00:21:07.280 Please don't be strangers. 00:21:07.280 --> 00:21:11.720 You want to know something, call me, ask, I'm happy to have you come out. 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:16.080 We can take you on tours around, show you what's happening there. 00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:24.600 But we are interested in working with the city to be better partners with our community. 00:21:24.600 --> 00:21:31.280 So I think you'll find that we do listen, we do a lot of outreach, a lot of things to 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:33.520 help facilitate that. 00:21:33.520 --> 00:21:37.640 However, I've been in this role for two years now. 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:39.680 There's a lot of myths out there. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:43.260 And everybody hears and they talk about things they think they know about, but then there's 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:44.260 the reality. 00:21:44.260 --> 00:21:47.040 And we tried to hit a little bit on that in that presentation. 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:54.420 And so as you hear about things at UNT, parking in particular, ask those questions. 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:57.280 Is that really? 00:21:57.280 --> 00:21:58.280 And give me a call. 00:21:58.280 --> 00:22:00.400 I'm happy to share that with you. 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.280 But again, happy to answer any questions. 00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:06.360 I will leave my cards here for you. 00:22:06.360 --> 00:22:09.120 So please, please take them. 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:15.560 And for anybody here on the committee or whatnot, any groups, I'm happy to be a resource for 00:22:15.560 --> 00:22:16.560 you. 00:22:16.560 --> 00:22:17.560 So thank you again. 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:18.560 Okay. 00:22:18.560 --> 00:22:19.560 I have a question. 00:22:19.560 --> 00:22:20.560 Yes, ma'am. 00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:27.960 So you said that it would be in 2018 that you added 500 spots to the Apogee side of 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:28.960 campus. 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:29.960 That's correct. 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:30.960 530 or so. 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:31.960 530. 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:35.600 Then you'll be adding approximately 1,000. 00:22:35.600 --> 00:22:36.600 That's correct. 00:22:36.600 --> 00:22:37.600 Over at Fouts. 00:22:37.600 --> 00:22:40.440 But have removed 1,200 then from the inner campus. 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:46.640 So really we're looking at a net gain of approximately 330 over the past two years. 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:47.640 Right. 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:48.640 Okay. 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:51.020 So the question I get from my students -- I teach at UNT -- so the question I get from 00:22:51.020 --> 00:23:00.880 my students is do they over -- do they -- that's you -- oversell parking permits? 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.660 So the answer is yes and no. 00:23:04.660 --> 00:23:07.720 Which permits would determine the more appropriate answer? 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.040 So students are going to say commuter permits. 00:23:10.040 --> 00:23:11.040 Do we oversell? 00:23:11.040 --> 00:23:12.040 Yes. 00:23:12.040 --> 00:23:14.240 Why do we oversell? 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.120 Because not everybody's here on the same days and times. 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:19.880 So Tuesday, Thursdays are our busiest days. 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:24.880 Classes go from 8 o'clock in the morning until 1050 at night. 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:25.880 Right. 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:26.880 Depending on labs. 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:27.880 So do we oversell? 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.080 And I hate to say what oversell is. 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:36.720 We probably sell about 9,700 EGLE permits. 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:41.880 But again, you have -- not everybody's there Monday through Friday, 8 to 5 are the same 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:42.880 time. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:43.880 Right. 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:44.880 So it's a qualified answer. 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:45.880 But there are areas where we do. 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:46.880 Yeah. 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.880 I told them. 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.800 Why would they leave a spot open on Monday, Wednesday, Friday? 00:23:51.800 --> 00:23:52.800 Right. 00:23:52.800 --> 00:23:53.800 Right. 00:23:53.800 --> 00:23:56.480 Do -- what do you hear about -- so I use the Zipcar. 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:57.480 Okay. 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.480 Good. 00:23:58.480 --> 00:23:59.480 And so I love that Zipcar. 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:00.480 Okay. 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:01.480 Good. 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:06.960 And what do you in general hear about the -- about how many students use the Zipcar 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:13.680 and what kind of feedback and what can we do to increase the use of Zipcar? 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:15.680 So that's a good question. 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:24.040 I get generally a lot of interest at new student orientations, both incoming freshmen and transfer 00:24:24.040 --> 00:24:26.960 students that, "Hey, do I need to bring a car?" 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:32.560 So we have an opportunity to talk about that there, and that is received very positively. 00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:39.520 The other information comes from Zipcar in terms of what our usage is looking like in 00:24:39.520 --> 00:24:44.840 terms of it's good or -- you know, a lot of the ride share and the sharing industry, it's 00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:51.880 very -- I don't want to say they don't share, it's just very generic in what we do get in 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.080 terms of what is their customer data and whatnot. 00:24:55.080 --> 00:25:01.360 But in our information with them, that is a good program. 00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:06.280 We do share communications frequently as part of our social media push. 00:25:06.280 --> 00:25:13.520 When folks come to the office, we try to remind folks of the Zipcar option. 00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:18.660 And so that is how we continue to keep that in the front. 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:23.820 There's a lot of times Zipcar does promotions, we announce that to our community, mainly 00:25:23.820 --> 00:25:26.320 through social media pushes. 00:25:26.320 --> 00:25:30.120 But then I come to committees like this, and as I go around campus, I'll hear about folks 00:25:30.120 --> 00:25:31.880 who do use that. 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:38.160 And I think the best way for us to do is to really hear from the users on how it works 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.160 for them. 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:45.160 I think people hear us talk about it, but, okay, they hear me talk about a lot of things. 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.280 But I think it's getting some of that feedback from real users, almost like testimonials, 00:25:49.280 --> 00:25:53.640 if you will, that say, hey, this is -- you know, I've got faculty staff a lot that use 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:54.640 it. 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:55.640 And I think that's great. 00:25:55.640 --> 00:26:01.360 I see them out just because when I'm out, I notice that because it's part of our service. 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:03.360 So I do like to see that. 00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:05.200 And then, you know, we have four of them. 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.320 They have dedicated homes. 00:26:07.320 --> 00:26:11.320 So as I'm out on campus and I see the car gone, it's either in use or it may be out 00:26:11.320 --> 00:26:12.820 for maintenance. 00:26:12.820 --> 00:26:17.800 But typically, I get an email when it's being removed from service. 00:26:17.800 --> 00:26:19.980 So if it's not there, it's generally being used. 00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:23.400 So I have been pleased with that. 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:28.460 Of course, I would like to see that grow from four to six to eight or more. 00:26:28.460 --> 00:26:31.480 But I think it's a niche product that meets some needs. 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:39.360 I think folks in this part of the country are afraid to let go of that freedom of having 00:26:39.360 --> 00:26:40.780 their car. 00:26:40.780 --> 00:26:46.920 And I think the folks who have explored this have found out, hey, this really does work. 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.040 And kind of seeing is believing. 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:52.680 And I think that's really where we've got to get folks to bite off. 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.440 And we really push that at orientations. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.360 I mean, we graduate several thousand each year. 00:26:58.360 --> 00:27:01.240 We've got to replace them with an incoming class. 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:02.840 And that's where we push that a lot. 00:27:02.840 --> 00:27:09.120 And as someone who spent a majority of their career in public transportation, we tell folks, 00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:10.880 look, you don't need a car. 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.120 You can literally get to campus. 00:27:13.120 --> 00:27:15.120 You can navigate around. 00:27:15.120 --> 00:27:16.960 We've got ride share options. 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:22.160 And now, like I said in the presentation, if you absolutely need a car to go somewhere, 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.080 then we've got you covered. 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:26.360 And it's relatively economical. 00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:32.600 So I think it's just capturing that and really getting people to try that. 00:27:32.600 --> 00:27:38.480 And I rely on our industry partners to share with me how we're doing. 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.040 We don't make money on that service. 00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:45.940 So that is something that really complements the community. 00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:49.720 It's something that the more folks I get to use that, they're paying for the direct benefit 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:54.620 of using that fuel insurance and whatever the Zipcar, there's an annual fee. 00:27:54.620 --> 00:27:56.120 We don't make money on that service. 00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:58.600 And there's a few of them that we don't make money on. 00:27:58.600 --> 00:28:00.960 But they complement kind of our mission. 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:06.800 And so by making sure that program is successful, much like the bus and the veal ride, anything 00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:11.560 I can do to get folks out of a car that makes parking available for those that do choose 00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:13.240 to drive. 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.800 That would be something that would be good for parents. 00:28:15.800 --> 00:28:22.040 I found out when I took my oldest kid to orientation at UT years ago. 00:28:22.040 --> 00:28:27.860 And so that very first orientation was when UT said, don't even bring your car. 00:28:27.860 --> 00:28:30.560 And they just laid down the line, don't do it. 00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:32.720 And then said, and their Zipcar. 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.040 And so for 15 bucks a year, you've got that. 00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:39.200 But that would be something good to push out to parents and even start planting that seed 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.880 during orientation, during campus tours. 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:42.880 And we do. 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:47.720 We have several parent-centric orientations throughout the summer. 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.080 We do share that. 00:28:50.080 --> 00:28:54.320 And I think that's, again, an area where I think more is-- more outreach, more communication 00:28:54.320 --> 00:28:55.800 is better. 00:28:55.800 --> 00:29:01.640 But in the years in this business, it has gone through a shift to people are now talking 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.080 about it much more than they used to. 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:06.280 And so I think that's a good thing. 00:29:06.280 --> 00:29:14.080 And I will tell you that most cars on campus, if you're a resident living on campus, your 00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:17.880 car leaves its spot infrequently. 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:23.120 So a couple times a week, there are some outliers that they may work and they're driving to 00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:24.360 work more frequently. 00:29:24.360 --> 00:29:31.200 But we used to have some bus routes on campus that traveled through predominantly resident 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:32.560 area. 00:29:32.560 --> 00:29:35.780 Nobody ever got on because it's car storage. 00:29:35.780 --> 00:29:38.240 We have residents that park in the Highland Street garage. 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:43.160 And I can tell you just on data, they're leaving about every 2 and 1/2 days is what that activity 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.160 looks like. 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:52.840 And with your campus activities, bus routes, some of the other options, you don't-- it's 00:29:52.840 --> 00:29:53.840 pure convenience. 00:29:53.840 --> 00:29:55.600 And I respect that. 00:29:55.600 --> 00:30:00.480 But I think when you take a look at, OK, what's the cost of that convenience? 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.920 And you're paying what you're paying in student fees and all that, really? 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:10.800 But it's a perceived freedom that folks have that I can go whenever, wherever, however. 00:30:10.800 --> 00:30:14.240 And I think it's just trying to reach and make sure folks know that. 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:19.380 We have-- in the spring and fall semesters, we have transportation options seven days 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:21.520 a week, 24 hours a day. 00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:22.520 So-- 00:30:22.520 --> 00:30:23.520 Yeah. 00:30:23.520 --> 00:30:24.520 And something that's not, of course, under your purview. 00:30:24.520 --> 00:30:28.600 But I've heard that TWU tells freshmen they cannot bring cars to campus. 00:30:28.600 --> 00:30:29.600 Right. 00:30:29.600 --> 00:30:30.600 Right. 00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:31.600 Some universities do. 00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:32.600 And that's what they do. 00:30:32.600 --> 00:30:39.280 And we have not been at a point-- like I said, that-- resident parking is not the real issue. 00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:43.200 I have an inventory available for everyone. 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:47.280 Folks don't understand how we're funded. 00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:49.600 I don't want to pay any more in fees. 00:30:49.600 --> 00:30:52.160 I'm already paying enough in fees and tuition. 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:59.320 I get zero-- it's forbidden by state law-- to-- it's not where I want it. 00:30:59.320 --> 00:31:01.000 And I respect that, too. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:09.200 But as we try to tell folks, it's one of those-- it's a balance between economics, spending 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:15.880 what money we have wisely, spending it, I think, what folks would say, in good stewardship, 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.880 as opposed to having a bunch of unused parking spaces that are very expensive to maintain. 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.760 And so it's like traveling to work. 00:31:24.760 --> 00:31:30.960 And if anybody's traveling down the interstate, you're leaving at weird hours because if you 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:37.000 leave at two minutes past six, it's going to be-- it gets exponentially worse. 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.000 Parking is the same way. 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.460 And I hear from folks that say, well, I shouldn't have to get to class very early. 00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:44.040 Well, you don't. 00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:49.080 But if your expectation is to park up front, yeah, you kind of have to get there early. 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:51.960 But it's like I leave-- I commute from Fort Worth. 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.360 I leave very early. 00:31:53.360 --> 00:31:54.360 Why? 00:31:54.360 --> 00:31:55.360 Because it's easier. 00:31:55.360 --> 00:31:56.360 And it's less stressful. 00:31:56.360 --> 00:31:58.160 And it's a choice I make. 00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.600 It's a 25-minute ride. 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:04.160 And if I left at 735, I can guarantee you I won't make it here at 8 o'clock. 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.840 So it's a lot of the same in the parking. 00:32:06.840 --> 00:32:12.480 And it's-- folks transition, especially from high school-- and I went to high school in 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:13.480 the area. 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:14.480 I drove to high school. 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.120 I had an assigned parking spot. 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:19.760 That's a common expectation when I interview a lot of students. 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:21.920 Did you go to high school and drive? 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:22.920 Yes. 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.400 Did you have assigned parking? 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.400 Yes. 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.080 So folks form this basis. 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:32.520 They say, OK, I know I can get up at 740, and it takes me 10 minutes and 10 minutes 00:32:32.520 --> 00:32:33.520 to walk. 00:32:33.520 --> 00:32:35.680 I'll be at class at 8 o'clock. 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.700 You can't do that here. 00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:39.020 It's a vibrant campus. 00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:41.120 Folks are-- they're not just attending class. 00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:42.120 They're working. 00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:43.240 They're researching. 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:48.120 You're competing with tens of thousands of people for limited spots. 00:32:48.120 --> 00:32:51.800 And so when you bring that approach-- and that's where you hear a lot of the vocalizations. 00:32:51.800 --> 00:32:56.720 They're trying to do what they've always done to be successful to get to class on time. 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:04.360 And so that's part of that-- what we deal with in trying to-- you're right. 00:33:04.360 --> 00:33:05.360 We're with you. 00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:07.560 The realities are, do you want to get to class on time? 00:33:07.560 --> 00:33:09.040 I can do that. 00:33:09.040 --> 00:33:13.160 But we have to reform your expectation in that. 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:21.760 Otherwise, a parking garage-- every spot in a parking garage is about $24,000 in current 00:33:21.760 --> 00:33:23.000 dollars. 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.400 So people say, OK, just build parking garages. 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:32.480 Well, at $50 million a pop, and you're complaining about the price permits now, how do you want 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.000 to do that? 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.780 And so this is why we have the options we do. 00:33:36.780 --> 00:33:38.240 Go park remote. 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.120 We have bus transportation. 00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:46.440 I have students who live on campus that drive to class, because waiting eight minutes for 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.520 bus-- in between buses is too long. 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:51.760 And it's there. 00:33:51.760 --> 00:33:52.760 And I'm with you. 00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:54.960 I want nothing more than to pull up where I'm going to. 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.280 But reality is, I can get you there, but here's what you've got to do. 00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:01.160 And you don't want to pay for parking? 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.160 We've got a great partnership with DCTA. 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.160 Go to Med Park. 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.160 Hop on the bus. 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.280 You can take the train, the bus, and you can be there. 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.080 But again, I think it's understanding what you're getting into. 00:34:12.080 --> 00:34:14.800 And the narrative changes with folks. 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:19.360 As someone who's been in business a long time, you tell me I have a 5 o'clock airport trip 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.360 in the morning. 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:21.360 I've got to go to Chicago. 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.360 I know what that means. 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.160 I know how to back that up and understand, OK, I can't miss a flight. 00:34:26.160 --> 00:34:30.960 I've got to plan for every eventuality, which means I get there super duper early. 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:31.960 Is that right? 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.800 I don't know, but I don't want to miss my flight in whatever obligation I have. 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:42.480 It's hard to have that with folks coming right out of the house, out of the nest into real 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:43.480 life. 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:50.000 And so the narrative that we hear from folks, we have to qualify that, OK, there's no parking 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:51.000 on campus. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.080 And I hear that a lot. 00:34:52.080 --> 00:34:53.080 I have it. 00:34:53.080 --> 00:34:55.680 What are you trying to do? 00:34:55.680 --> 00:34:59.120 And that is a different conversation than we don't have enough parking. 00:34:59.120 --> 00:35:00.120 OK. 00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:02.200 You bet, Melissa. 00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:03.200 Yes. 00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:04.200 Yes, sir. 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:10.880 Yeah, I'm a DCTA bus operator, and I've been going in circles for eight years. 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:17.160 And one thing that has never been addressed, I don't think, is let's talk about peak load. 00:35:17.160 --> 00:35:23.320 Let's talk about the classes start at-- they all start at the same time, and they all get 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.040 out at the same time. 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:28.880 Have you ever had any luck changing that? 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:35.440 So in terms-- so that's a big answer, or it's a big question because there's a lot in it. 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.520 What's the most popular days for class? 00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:38.520 Tuesday, Thursday. 00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:39.520 OK. 00:35:39.520 --> 00:35:42.360 So you get into the academic side, what's the most popular time to teach? 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:43.920 10 to 2. 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.360 And so you look at the resources on campus, you've got to spread that out to get the maximum 00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:50.360 benefit of that. 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.760 So you've got to find somebody who wants to teach at weird hours, and somebody who wants 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.120 to go to class at weird hours. 00:35:56.120 --> 00:36:02.500 But more relative to bus capacity, bus loads, it's very much like peak traffic. 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:07.240 We know, and we hear, and you all capture a pretty good snapshot of what the ridership 00:36:07.240 --> 00:36:09.640 looks like. 00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:15.360 If-- let's say I'm at the ridge at North Texas, and I have an 8 o'clock class, and there's 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.480 a 740 bus, that's going to get me to class on time, and everybody else too. 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:21.620 It's a peak issue. 00:36:21.620 --> 00:36:28.140 So one of the things we try to communicate with students is understand peak travel periods. 00:36:28.140 --> 00:36:34.100 Take the earlier bus, take the next bus, you'll find passenger loads very different. 00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:41.680 Discovery Park is an area where we need to do some outreach, and they offset their schedule, 00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:43.500 so they're a little bit different. 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:48.720 So folks may take a course at Discovery Park and then got to come back to main campus, 00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:54.260 and schedules are offset, but they're not offset to handle the loads that we carry. 00:36:54.260 --> 00:37:01.160 So we've got to have a conversation with them to understand what is your scheduling when 00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:02.320 students take classes. 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.660 While this looks great on paper, I mean, let's look at Bonnie Bray. 00:37:05.660 --> 00:37:10.140 Bonnie Bray, there's a roundabout now, it's impacting-- so-- but traffic impacts that. 00:37:10.140 --> 00:37:11.140 There's a lot of things. 00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:13.960 It's not just the sheer-- it's three miles up the road. 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.100 It's a lot of factors. 00:37:15.100 --> 00:37:18.820 Look at Razor Ranch development now, there's a lot more-- there's a lot more people want 00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:21.100 to go to this area, a lot more traffic we're doing. 00:37:21.100 --> 00:37:23.000 So there's a lot of things we need to take a look at. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.740 So the easy answer is take a look at your schedule, take the earlier bus. 00:37:26.740 --> 00:37:30.620 If you're on a route where the bus is by every few minutes, take that earlier one. 00:37:30.620 --> 00:37:34.800 Yeah, you might have to get out of bed 10 minutes earlier, but you know what? 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.500 You'll get to where you need to be. 00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:40.600 Absent that, I think we are working-- especially this year, we'll take a look at some things 00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:47.600 as we've worked with DCTA staff to be more dynamic in where buses go. 00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:52.140 So if you're on the center place bus route, for example, and there's five buses, but that's 00:37:52.140 --> 00:37:54.600 kind of what it's been scheduled. 00:37:54.600 --> 00:37:57.020 But I don't need five buses during this period of time. 00:37:57.020 --> 00:38:01.300 I can reassign that bus to say Discovery Park where I do need the capacity. 00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:10.980 So we're going to try some things there that really match more of that need in peak areas. 00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:11.980 That makes sense. 00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:13.740 We'll try it. 00:38:13.740 --> 00:38:19.540 Part of it is, Jim, as well as the transportation fee that hadn't been changed since 2003. 00:38:19.540 --> 00:38:25.260 And we're in progress now trying to work with the Student Government Association to address 00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:26.260 that. 00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:34.580 As far as Discovery Park, which I did for four years straight, who planned the detour? 00:38:34.580 --> 00:38:41.340 We and DCTA for the-- For going down Nectar. 00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:42.340 Yeah. 00:38:42.340 --> 00:38:44.540 That's what we did. 00:38:44.540 --> 00:38:45.540 We did with them. 00:38:45.540 --> 00:38:47.820 So it was a group effort. 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:49.700 Because the street is cracked. 00:38:49.700 --> 00:38:50.700 Yeah. 00:38:50.700 --> 00:38:51.700 Melissa? 00:38:51.700 --> 00:38:52.700 Good question. 00:38:52.700 --> 00:38:53.700 Yes, ma'am. 00:38:53.700 --> 00:39:01.940 So when I go into the UNT campus during the regular semester, there's tons of bikes. 00:39:01.940 --> 00:39:05.660 And so I'm curious if you have-- I mean, a lot of times students bring bikes and then 00:39:05.660 --> 00:39:07.260 they don't ride them. 00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:10.220 Do you have an average of the number of bike commuters? 00:39:10.220 --> 00:39:16.580 And also, do you do anything to promote safety while riding a bike on the streets? 00:39:16.580 --> 00:39:18.400 Yes and yes. 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.620 So I don't have the actual number of commuters. 00:39:21.620 --> 00:39:26.860 We bike and pedestrian and bicycle activities are under our purview. 00:39:26.860 --> 00:39:32.340 A couple things I will share with you is we have a bike committee that meets regularly. 00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:36.660 And that's open to whomever would like to be there. 00:39:36.660 --> 00:39:42.660 But we usually meet a few times in the fall and the spring, take the summer off, to help 00:39:42.660 --> 00:39:50.740 strategize not only just bicycle-centric issues, but we have also folks who share pedestrian 00:39:50.740 --> 00:39:53.540 concerns because of the shared pathways in the bike. 00:39:53.540 --> 00:39:57.260 So I think we have a good cross-section of folks. 00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:01.900 Last year, 2017 now, we were recognized as a bike-friendly university. 00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:03.540 So that is a first step for us. 00:40:03.540 --> 00:40:05.700 So I think there's a lot that we're doing. 00:40:05.700 --> 00:40:07.540 VO Ride's been a new one for us. 00:40:07.540 --> 00:40:12.380 We did a pilot program in partnership with the city this last year. 00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:18.700 The lifecycle of the bike, and I'll keep it brief here, is everybody gets excited to go 00:40:18.700 --> 00:40:23.340 to college, parents buy them a bike, and it goes out to this rack and it sits there in 00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:28.260 the sun and the rain and the wind, and it's a very sad tale, and at the end of the year, 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:33.000 the tires are flat and pieces are missing, and it's chained up. 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:38.620 And then in June, after commencements, so just after our mobility committee meeting, 00:40:38.620 --> 00:40:44.020 we go through and put little tags on all the bikes, little yellow tags. 00:40:44.020 --> 00:40:47.960 And after two weeks, those that still have tags, we cut the locks and collect those. 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.820 And we keep those bikes until about the first two weeks of school, when invariably somebody 00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:55.860 comes back and says, "Oh, where'd my little bike go?" 00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:59.100 And it's a black Schwinn, and it's, "Oh, my goodness." 00:40:59.100 --> 00:41:01.900 So we've got piles of them. 00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:07.500 I will tell you anecdotally, this year, that number looks to be about half what it normally 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:08.500 was. 00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:12.380 I attribute that to the bike share, because part of our messaging was, "Please don't bring 00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:13.380 a bike." 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:14.380 It's a very sad tale. 00:41:14.380 --> 00:41:16.380 I'm a bike rider, okay? 00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:18.060 I ride during lunch. 00:41:18.060 --> 00:41:19.920 It's a sad tale. 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.140 We see a lot of sad equipment. 00:41:22.140 --> 00:41:23.300 Don't bring it. 00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:29.220 Instead, part of your transportation fee, we buy down the monthly or annual rate on 00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:31.380 the VeoRide subscription. 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.660 And then you've got a bike when you need it, where you need it. 00:41:34.660 --> 00:41:36.600 And when you're done with it, you're done with it. 00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:42.380 So anecdotally, this year, it looks to be about half the number of bikes that we seem 00:41:42.380 --> 00:41:43.380 to collect. 00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:44.380 And that's a good trend. 00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:48.660 So we're getting ready here in July now to start collecting. 00:41:48.660 --> 00:41:51.860 So probably next week, we'll start the collection after the holiday. 00:41:51.860 --> 00:41:54.580 And so then I'll be able to tell you how many that is. 00:41:54.580 --> 00:41:56.140 But encouraging news. 00:41:56.140 --> 00:42:04.300 So tell me what you do to help students understand how to ride safely on the streets. 00:42:04.300 --> 00:42:07.500 So we have two league-certified instructors on campus. 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:11.700 Usually during first flight week, they will hold -- that's one of the -- first flight 00:42:11.700 --> 00:42:14.260 is we're all incoming freshmen. 00:42:14.260 --> 00:42:17.640 It's like a week-long conference, and there's different tracks, and they get to pick things 00:42:17.640 --> 00:42:19.660 that are important to them. 00:42:19.660 --> 00:42:23.480 We added a DCTA bus ride this last year that was very popular. 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.940 But one of those is some bike safety. 00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:32.140 And there are some one-off events throughout the year in partnership with SGA or some others 00:42:32.140 --> 00:42:37.980 to help do some cycling events, maybe some preventive maintenance, how to change a tire, 00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:38.980 things like that. 00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:41.940 And so that's, again, through our committee, that we do that. 00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:47.900 We'd like to establish a more permanent kind of a storefront, if you will, on campus. 00:42:47.900 --> 00:42:51.300 So if folks have any kind of bike question, they know where to go. 00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:54.620 Right now, it's -- you know, there's a number of bike shops in town, and I'm not saying 00:42:54.620 --> 00:42:55.620 we have to run that. 00:42:55.620 --> 00:42:59.380 We'd like to partner with someone so that there's at least a front there where folks 00:42:59.380 --> 00:43:02.300 know, "Hey, I can go here for some direction." 00:43:02.300 --> 00:43:06.260 And I think it's about, again, reaching out to the community and let them know that, you 00:43:06.260 --> 00:43:09.500 know, "Yeah, we're the parking people, but we're also the bicycle people, and we can 00:43:09.500 --> 00:43:10.500 help you. 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:11.500 We can help you with that." 00:43:11.500 --> 00:43:17.580 So a lot of folks, again, they don't -- we do a lot of communicating, but it still, to 00:43:17.580 --> 00:43:22.540 this day, impresses me how much more we have to go to make sure, you know, people -- I 00:43:22.540 --> 00:43:23.540 didn't know that. 00:43:23.540 --> 00:43:27.860 Do you know we do jump starts, we put air in your tire, and we put some gas in your 00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:29.660 car if you run out of gas. 00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:31.020 Most people go, "I have no idea." 00:43:31.020 --> 00:43:33.820 Well, these are good things that we do, and we advertise that. 00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:35.620 It's just how do we find that message. 00:43:35.620 --> 00:43:37.840 So I think there's some good news on the bike front. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.500 More to come, and that's something we work with Mark on a whole lot. 00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:43.660 We'd like to work with the city on that. 00:43:43.660 --> 00:43:48.940 One of our goals -- we renew our bike-friendly status in 2021. 00:43:48.940 --> 00:43:53.060 We'd like to maintain, at least move up perhaps to silver, but one of those things is to partner 00:43:53.060 --> 00:43:55.660 with the city and help on that front. 00:43:55.660 --> 00:43:58.840 We'd like to see y'all become a bike-friendly city. 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.900 So we'd like to help with that as well. 00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:01.900 Fantastic. 00:44:01.900 --> 00:44:02.900 Thank you. 00:44:02.900 --> 00:44:03.900 Yes, sir. 00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:12.380 When people come in, and they can ride Discovery and all that stuff, is that just for the students 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:13.980 or is that for anybody? 00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:14.980 It's for anybody. 00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:15.980 Okay. 00:44:15.980 --> 00:44:16.980 Yep. 00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:17.980 Campus buses are open to the public. 00:44:17.980 --> 00:44:18.980 Okay. 00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:20.300 So, you know, and it's always been that way. 00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:22.260 In fact, it was just in the newspaper. 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.180 It didn't record Chronicle. 00:44:24.180 --> 00:44:25.180 Can counties ride that? 00:44:25.180 --> 00:44:26.980 I wanted to clarify, because it didn't -- 00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:27.980 No, yeah, you can. 00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:28.980 You can. 00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:29.980 It's open to the public. 00:44:29.980 --> 00:44:30.980 You know, it wasn't like, "Yes, you can." 00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:31.980 Yep. 00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:32.980 You sure can. 00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:35.780 And then they went on to something else. 00:44:35.780 --> 00:44:40.300 That's part of the reason we partnered with DCTA, because it's great for the students, 00:44:40.300 --> 00:44:42.820 but there's also that benefit for the city folks. 00:44:42.820 --> 00:44:43.820 Okay. 00:44:43.820 --> 00:44:47.420 And as the article said, you know, we've got -- it's additional service up and down. 00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:50.700 Bonnie Bray, if you're going to Razor Ranch or whatnot, it's more bus service than you 00:44:50.700 --> 00:44:51.700 would otherwise have. 00:44:51.700 --> 00:44:53.700 So it would come on. 00:44:53.700 --> 00:44:54.700 Okay. 00:44:54.700 --> 00:44:55.700 Okay. 00:44:55.700 --> 00:45:00.780 One of the parking problems that we have with the 35-foot buses, and this gets into the 00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:07.860 enforcement with the cars, you know, you're supposed to be so many feet away from the 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:08.860 curb. 00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:09.860 Yep. 00:45:09.860 --> 00:45:15.980 There's always -- it's the same car, all semester, who parks in the last spot, and you can't 00:45:15.980 --> 00:45:16.980 make that turn. 00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:24.220 And most of our accidents out there are with stationary objects, parks, you know, parking. 00:45:24.220 --> 00:45:33.180 So they used to -- in the old days, they used to boot them, but, you know, I don't know. 00:45:33.180 --> 00:45:37.460 So we're towing now rather than booting, and that's part of what was in the presentation. 00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:40.020 We put a green sticker on it that says, "Please call me. 00:45:40.020 --> 00:45:41.020 I'm serious. 00:45:41.020 --> 00:45:42.980 Please don't ignore me." 00:45:42.980 --> 00:45:46.740 And if you don't, after 48 hours, we tow your car. 00:45:46.740 --> 00:45:49.660 What I would say, Jim, in that, there are a number of streets where we partner with 00:45:49.660 --> 00:45:51.920 the city to enforce. 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:58.180 Some of that is free city parking, some of it is permitted parking. 00:45:58.180 --> 00:46:03.100 All of the streets that we enforce, we periodically go through and re-stripe, and that is generally 00:46:03.100 --> 00:46:07.220 a striping plan that goes through the city and is routed for approvals, and then we have 00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:09.500 a contract to come out and stripe that. 00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:12.500 Central Avenue is one we did a couple of years ago. 00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:17.860 So from Maple or Eagle all the way to Highland Street, it is striped. 00:46:17.860 --> 00:46:24.700 It has helped that street tremendously, clean up, people know where to park, it's very clear, 00:46:24.700 --> 00:46:30.780 it's very easy to enforce, and that crowding situation no longer exists there. 00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:35.060 And you always get the people that they think they're a small car, they can squeeze in. 00:46:35.060 --> 00:46:38.900 I'm over the line instead of doing the line. 00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:40.420 But we do enforce. 00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:45.140 Those ones that you have a concern on, share with your dispatch, have them send it to us. 00:46:45.140 --> 00:46:46.340 We'll go out there and find out who they are. 00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:50.140 If it's not a street I enforce on, then I can work, you know, maybe work with the folks 00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:52.940 at the city to say, you know, what can we do? 00:46:52.940 --> 00:46:57.740 But most of the streets, not knowing which in particular, we've got some sort of a partnership 00:46:57.740 --> 00:47:01.060 with, and we'll go out and find out who those folks are. 00:47:01.060 --> 00:47:03.340 But you're the eyes and ears out there. 00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:04.340 Share that with dispatch. 00:47:04.340 --> 00:47:08.140 If you're going to have my card, if you want to share that with me, I'll send folks out 00:47:08.140 --> 00:47:10.500 there and find out who they are. 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.700 And then we'll have a conversation with them, and hopefully we'll get them where they go. 00:47:14.700 --> 00:47:17.940 And if it's an area where we need to restripe, we're starting that. 00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:20.340 I mean, we've got some work coming up here in July. 00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:24.740 Are you on board with the new thing, going down Hickory and taking the right on Welch 00:47:24.740 --> 00:47:25.740 for discovery? 00:47:25.740 --> 00:47:32.700 Because the Avenue A is going to be one way out. 00:47:32.700 --> 00:47:38.700 Going down Hickory on Welch, oh, for Avenue A going one way? 00:47:38.700 --> 00:47:43.100 You know, I think it's a compromise. 00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:48.040 I think the university, and when I talk to students, and I can't speak for the university, 00:47:48.040 --> 00:47:56.100 but for the department, for the students, it was to stay with the city by plan as approved. 00:47:56.100 --> 00:48:01.980 I think this is a compromise that helps with that. 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:07.620 It removes the loading zone parking and makes angled parking, so that's going to be an interesting 00:48:07.620 --> 00:48:08.620 issue for the businesses. 00:48:08.620 --> 00:48:12.740 I just had a conversation this morning about that. 00:48:12.740 --> 00:48:13.880 But we'll see. 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:19.500 We enforced that area through partnership with the city, so I'm happy to share with what 00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:24.780 I learn and come back to you and let you know what that looks like. 00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:26.300 I'm an optimist, Jim. 00:48:26.300 --> 00:48:32.780 I think that we'll give this a go and see how it works. 00:48:32.780 --> 00:48:37.300 Time will tell exactly what happens, but I'd like to take the positive approach on it. 00:48:37.300 --> 00:48:44.740 It maintains the bicycle lane through Hickory, which I think is important, and as a bike 00:48:44.740 --> 00:48:47.300 rider, you know, I know what that means. 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:52.660 If I go on my bike ride, I go from the Highland Street garage to Eagle and I get on that bike 00:48:52.660 --> 00:48:53.660 lane. 00:48:53.660 --> 00:48:54.660 It's great. 00:48:54.660 --> 00:49:00.260 I don't have to make a bunch of strange maneuvers and detours to get where I'm going. 00:49:00.260 --> 00:49:01.260 It really is great. 00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:04.340 I think you'll see the same thing on Highland Street. 00:49:04.340 --> 00:49:09.620 I think the connection from Bonnie Bray to Carroll is important, but being respectful 00:49:09.620 --> 00:49:14.340 of some of the businesses in that, I think it's a compromise, and I want to see how that 00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:15.340 works out. 00:49:15.340 --> 00:49:16.340 And then we'll have data. 00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:17.340 We'll know. 00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:20.100 And then we can make an informed decision on, was this a good thing? 00:49:20.100 --> 00:49:21.540 Do we need to tweak it? 00:49:21.540 --> 00:49:23.220 What did we not anticipate? 00:49:23.220 --> 00:49:27.780 And so that's my non-answer for you. 00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:30.860 Well, you might look at a long time ago. 00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:34.580 We used to go down to Bernard and take a right. 00:49:34.580 --> 00:49:39.700 You might look at that because that right turn onto Welsh, Pre-Tam already said that 00:49:39.700 --> 00:49:44.380 he would have to redo the corner so he could roll over. 00:49:44.380 --> 00:49:48.420 So I would say, you know, Jim, those things there, as you've shared that, if you have 00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:52.660 shared that, if you have some ideas you'd like me to go take a look at, me and my staff, 00:49:52.660 --> 00:49:53.660 I'm happy to do it. 00:49:53.660 --> 00:49:54.660 Share that with me. 00:49:54.660 --> 00:49:55.660 I'll leave you my card. 00:49:55.660 --> 00:49:59.140 And certainly, you know, we appreciate what you're doing out there, what the folks are 00:49:59.140 --> 00:50:03.420 doing to get our students around, and, you know, we want to help facilitate that. 00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:09.020 And I think we have a good dialogue with DCTA at this time in terms of some of the capital 00:50:09.020 --> 00:50:10.020 work. 00:50:10.020 --> 00:50:13.380 And as we get out in the city streets, we'll engage the city with that. 00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:18.100 But the university and the city leadership, they meet, the senior leadership meets about 00:50:18.100 --> 00:50:19.100 once a quarter. 00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:24.300 Periodically, I get invited to that because transportation seems to come up a lot. 00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:29.460 And those are good conversations where I think partnerships are being strengthened. 00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:34.420 And I've seen a number of, you know, from crosswalks to pedestrian yield signs go up 00:50:34.420 --> 00:50:35.860 that are done at that meeting. 00:50:35.860 --> 00:50:40.460 It's, we can do this, we'll pay for this, or we'll pay for that, and I'm seeing some 00:50:40.460 --> 00:50:41.460 things. 00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:46.540 So I think, you know, it's why Stan is here tonight, as we start planning on what do things 00:50:46.540 --> 00:50:52.740 look like in and around the campus, we can be partners in that so it's not just somebody 00:50:52.740 --> 00:50:53.740 else's problem. 00:50:53.740 --> 00:50:58.300 We're all in this together, and we want to be a part of that solution as well. 00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:00.820 Well, I'm starting to see some synergy. 00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:01.820 Good. 00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:02.820 Good. 00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:03.820 Glad to hear that. 00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:04.820 Clay? 00:51:04.820 --> 00:51:12.060 As you move parking out toward the perimeter, how will that impact disability access to 00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:13.780 the interior of campus? 00:51:13.780 --> 00:51:19.540 So that is an issue to take a look at. 00:51:19.540 --> 00:51:26.220 I think in terms of where folks are ambulating or if they're ambulating, if it's a mobility 00:51:26.220 --> 00:51:30.380 aid that's helping folks get around, I think we kind of need to take a look at where they're 00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:32.300 at, where they're going. 00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:35.660 Of course, the buildings are accessible. 00:51:35.660 --> 00:51:40.700 We provide the buses which are all accessible to help you, you know, that would be the preferred 00:51:40.700 --> 00:51:46.740 is you use the resource that's there. 00:51:46.740 --> 00:51:50.180 Just depending on what that looks like, I think you have to look at other contingencies. 00:51:50.180 --> 00:51:58.980 Do you look at a paratransit type solution for campus that's maybe for special needs 00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:02.860 that, hey, here's the special needs lot? 00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:07.220 And the reason, this is a good question, because most folks don't realize that when you look 00:52:07.220 --> 00:52:16.300 at the regulations for accessible parking, that's on a general public kind of perspective, 00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:21.260 but the university has a larger disproportionate amount of folks with special needs. 00:52:21.260 --> 00:52:28.500 So there are more folks that need those services than are required. 00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:31.320 So we have to take a look at if that's an issue. 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.860 So part of how we handle that is we have a transportation advisory committee meeting 00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:39.380 that advises us. 00:52:39.380 --> 00:52:40.380 That is represented. 00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:44.960 We've got some folks from the faculty senate, staff senate. 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:51.580 We do work with the office of disability access, so if students are vocalizing some issues, 00:52:51.580 --> 00:52:57.340 you know, DCTA, again, has been a great partner to come out and help us educate our students 00:52:57.340 --> 00:53:01.420 on what resources are available to them. 00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:07.100 So I think as we move further out, the plan is to backfill with transportation. 00:53:07.100 --> 00:53:11.920 So that, yes, you're going further out, but we're going to get you some transportation 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.860 so that you can get in, and that's part of the plan. 00:53:14.860 --> 00:53:17.660 You don't just go way out, and then there's nothing for you. 00:53:17.660 --> 00:53:22.820 It's trying to put stuff out there where there is a transportation link, and that is accessible. 00:53:22.820 --> 00:53:29.300 However, I think we need to take a look at individual areas of needs, and what does that 00:53:29.300 --> 00:53:30.300 mean? 00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:34.540 And there's pockets on campus that I think that kind of approach we need to take a look 00:53:34.540 --> 00:53:35.540 at. 00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:38.540 >> That's what I was just thinking of, because there are pockets that are over by my building. 00:53:38.540 --> 00:53:39.540 >> And where are you at? 00:53:39.540 --> 00:53:40.540 >> I'm in the auditorium building. 00:53:40.540 --> 00:53:41.540 >> Okay. 00:53:41.540 --> 00:53:46.100 >> And I know there are some pockets right over there that, you know, in my opinion, 00:53:46.100 --> 00:53:52.660 they should remain and should remain handicapped parking, because as they are now, which it's, 00:53:52.660 --> 00:53:58.780 you know, super helpful for anybody who needs that kind of proximity to that quadrant, at 00:53:58.780 --> 00:53:59.780 least, of campus. 00:53:59.780 --> 00:54:04.700 And I'm sure that's true in the other three quadrants of campus as well, that there are 00:54:04.700 --> 00:54:06.300 little places where those things can remain. 00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.300 >> We do. 00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:08.300 We do. 00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:14.140 But as we go forward today, again, we are, we want to begin this dialogue, so, and some 00:54:14.140 --> 00:54:21.020 of this may focus our planning efforts in where we take a look at studies, what are 00:54:21.020 --> 00:54:24.060 needs, and I need to hear from that whole community, so. 00:54:24.060 --> 00:54:27.460 >> Anyone have anything else? 00:54:27.460 --> 00:54:30.100 Any other questions? 00:54:30.100 --> 00:54:31.860 We're getting cards just in case we have more. 00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:32.860 >> Yeah, I got cards. 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:33.860 >> Yeah. 00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:34.860 >> I got cards. 00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:35.860 And again, that offer's there. 00:54:35.860 --> 00:54:37.860 You don't want to come out to campus and see what's going on. 00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:38.860 You'll be my guest. 00:54:38.860 --> 00:54:39.860 I'll pay for your parking. 00:54:39.860 --> 00:54:45.460 And I got 950 of them in the garage, so, you know, don't be shy. 00:54:45.460 --> 00:54:46.460 Come on out. 00:54:46.460 --> 00:54:47.460 I'll be happy to show you what's going on. 00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:51.800 I think, you know, we have a lot of exciting things going on, some new residence halls. 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.580 All these things that have impacted parking are good things. 00:54:54.580 --> 00:54:57.460 And I think sometimes we back up, you know, the tour center just opened. 00:54:57.460 --> 00:54:59.180 I don't know if any of you have been there. 00:54:59.180 --> 00:55:03.020 But I hear from current students, they say that building means nothing to me. 00:55:03.020 --> 00:55:06.260 Yeah, but it will add value to your degree. 00:55:06.260 --> 00:55:08.380 It will perpetuate. 00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:14.220 And there's things that, you know, when I graduated, we won't say when, that, you know, 00:55:14.220 --> 00:55:17.180 where I went to school, that it still adds value to this day. 00:55:17.180 --> 00:55:21.060 So these are things that add value. 00:55:21.060 --> 00:55:26.540 And it's been a rough probably four or five years with campus construction. 00:55:26.540 --> 00:55:27.660 That is slowing. 00:55:27.660 --> 00:55:31.220 We've got the Fouts project that should be wrapped up here in the next couple of months. 00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:33.020 And we've got a retail dining establishment. 00:55:33.020 --> 00:55:35.080 I think that's about it. 00:55:35.080 --> 00:55:36.180 That's it for the big stuff. 00:55:36.180 --> 00:55:40.540 So it's been going since about 2013, 2014. 00:55:40.540 --> 00:55:44.220 So that's a good long stretch of turning a lot of dirt. 00:55:44.220 --> 00:55:50.020 So I think we'll enter a phase where we can really stabilize some things and get to a 00:55:50.020 --> 00:55:53.620 more normal, such that we can. 00:55:53.620 --> 00:55:54.620 So yeah. 00:55:54.620 --> 00:56:01.140 I also think you gave us some good information, some good talking points with the neighborhoods. 00:56:01.140 --> 00:56:02.140 Yes. 00:56:02.140 --> 00:56:06.740 Which we all know that can be loud. 00:56:06.740 --> 00:56:07.740 Yes. 00:56:07.740 --> 00:56:08.740 And I'm sensitive to that. 00:56:08.740 --> 00:56:13.700 You gave us some good information to follow up with should we get any questions. 00:56:13.700 --> 00:56:15.580 And I'm happy to entertain those folks. 00:56:15.580 --> 00:56:16.580 Thank you for that information. 00:56:16.580 --> 00:56:17.580 Yes. 00:56:17.580 --> 00:56:18.580 You're welcome. 00:56:18.580 --> 00:56:19.580 I'll leave these. 00:56:19.580 --> 00:56:20.580 Please. 00:56:20.580 --> 00:56:22.060 Decide to get a hold of me. 00:56:22.060 --> 00:56:23.060 Don't be shy. 00:56:23.060 --> 00:56:26.340 And I'm happy to come back and talk as needed. 00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:31.180 So you know, this is, I hope it's more frequent than the last time, but we are a resource 00:56:31.180 --> 00:56:32.180 for you. 00:56:32.180 --> 00:56:33.180 So thank you. 00:56:33.180 --> 00:56:34.180 All right. 00:56:34.180 --> 00:56:35.180 Thank you. 00:56:35.180 --> 00:56:36.180 Okay. 00:56:36.180 --> 00:56:37.180 Okay. 00:56:37.180 --> 00:56:38.180 Thank you very much. 00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:39.180 Thank you. 00:56:39.180 --> 00:56:40.180 Thank you. 00:56:40.180 --> 00:56:41.180 Thank you. 00:56:41.180 --> 00:56:48.180 Is there anything else with that, Mark? 00:56:48.180 --> 00:56:49.180 Sorry? 00:56:49.180 --> 00:56:55.180 Did you want to say anything else about 1B? 00:56:55.180 --> 00:56:58.180 Oh, concerning that one. 00:56:58.180 --> 00:56:59.180 No. 00:56:59.180 --> 00:57:00.180 Concerning that one, no. 00:57:00.180 --> 00:57:01.180 Okay. 00:57:01.180 --> 00:57:08.500 That moves us on to 1C, TSC 19-031, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion 00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:14.460 about the scope and general purview of the Committee on Persons with Disabilities associated 00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:20.900 with city transportation projects. 00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:21.900 Thank you so much. 00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:27.100 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city, but I am also the staff liaison 00:57:27.100 --> 00:57:32.500 to the fairly recently created City of Denton Committee on Persons with Disabilities. 00:57:32.500 --> 00:57:39.540 Now, this was created to replace another committee that was in place from about 2007 to 2014. 00:57:39.540 --> 00:57:44.020 And then for some reason, it kind of just went defunct. 00:57:44.020 --> 00:57:50.340 Last fall, some activists came to the City Council and asked that it be reconstituted. 00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:57.020 And so in late October of 2018, it was approved by the City Council. 00:57:57.020 --> 00:58:00.260 And then we went to work finding representatives and so forth. 00:58:00.260 --> 00:58:02.540 And we had our first meeting in February. 00:58:02.540 --> 00:58:07.300 So we're about to come up on our six-month anniversary of that committee. 00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:08.300 I think it's exciting. 00:58:08.300 --> 00:58:09.300 It's been doing good things. 00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:14.580 I just want to tell you a little bit about its purview, because I think there's a possibility 00:58:14.580 --> 00:58:20.460 for some things to cross over between this committee and that one. 00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:23.220 And I want you to be aware of that. 00:58:23.220 --> 00:58:25.740 So just a little bit about it. 00:58:25.740 --> 00:58:29.700 It will be the duty of that committee, this is from the ordinance, to advise in those 00:58:29.700 --> 00:58:34.700 areas of committee interest, including but not limited to disability concerns such as 00:58:34.700 --> 00:58:39.180 accessibility and accommodations for City projects and activities. 00:58:39.180 --> 00:58:42.100 All recommendations shall be made by a majority vote. 00:58:42.100 --> 00:58:47.340 Some specific projects may include construction of new sidewalks, ramps, and crosswalk features, 00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:52.860 replacing and repairing existing sidewalks, ramps, and crosswalk features, the ADA transition 00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:58.820 plan, planning and development of adaptive handicap accessible park facilities, guidance 00:58:58.820 --> 00:59:06.420 on incorporating new signage in City facilities, improvement for new and existing facilities, 00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:11.620 City operations, operations of other entities, and park and recreation adaptive activities. 00:59:11.620 --> 00:59:15.220 So it's not just sticks and bricks or nuts and bolts. 00:59:15.220 --> 00:59:19.900 This covers lots of different things for disabilities and accessibility. 00:59:19.900 --> 00:59:23.860 And we have a website up that I just want to quickly show you. 00:59:23.860 --> 00:59:30.700 Oh, I'll mention to you we meet on the third Thursday of every month at 6 p.m. typically 00:59:30.700 --> 00:59:32.340 in this room. 00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:35.380 Right now the bond committee is going on so we've had to move a little bit. 00:59:35.380 --> 00:59:36.860 So just watch the City website. 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:41.020 We will announce there if you're interested in visiting with us. 00:59:41.020 --> 00:59:42.020 So let's see. 00:59:42.020 --> 00:59:43.620 Boards, commissions, and committees. 00:59:43.620 --> 00:59:44.620 Okay. 00:59:44.620 --> 00:59:46.020 So we have information about it. 00:59:46.020 --> 00:59:50.140 Right now we have 11 spots and nine of which are filled. 00:59:50.140 --> 00:59:52.300 We're helping to fill the other ones. 00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:53.900 Here are our representatives. 00:59:53.900 --> 00:59:56.940 This is the City Council member that nominated them. 00:59:56.940 --> 01:00:00.060 And here are our members. 01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:04.780 And then we've actually set up something else, kind of neat, a specific web page about this 01:00:04.780 --> 01:00:11.660 committee with some additional information about disabled access, handicap access, Americans 01:00:11.660 --> 01:00:13.740 with Disabilities Act. 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:17.260 So over here on the right we have some resources. 01:00:17.260 --> 01:00:21.940 We have my name listed, so if anyone has questions they can reach out to me. 01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:22.940 Here is our membership. 01:00:22.940 --> 01:00:29.380 And then we also have listed out, the City actually has three people designated as ADA 01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:33.180 coordinators for the City, depending on what sort of topic it has to do with. 01:00:33.180 --> 01:00:37.340 And that is a requirement of the Americans with Disabilities Act, that there be a central 01:00:37.340 --> 01:00:40.220 point of contact for that. 01:00:40.220 --> 01:00:43.940 So that's just a quick overview of it. 01:00:43.940 --> 01:00:46.140 We've had some great presentations so far. 01:00:46.140 --> 01:00:54.500 DCTA has come, we've talked about the ongoing ADA transition plan, there's some other things. 01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:59.060 Volunteering in the City is a topic we've talked about, because that's of interest. 01:00:59.060 --> 01:01:02.820 The members of the committee really want to make sure that the volunteer opportunities 01:01:02.820 --> 01:01:08.880 in the City are open to those who are on, you know, the spectrum of abilities, all different 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.540 sorts of residents of Denton. 01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:15.980 So yeah, that is my brief explanation of that. 01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:22.500 And I would be happy to entertain any questions that you might have. 01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:29.620 Is there a central point when people are, you know, walking through the streets and 01:01:29.620 --> 01:01:38.740 they see some place that is non-compliant, is there a central point where they can put 01:01:38.740 --> 01:01:43.100 in this, you know, request for somebody to go take a look at compliance? 01:01:43.100 --> 01:01:44.100 Uh-huh. 01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:46.100 Well, in the EngageDenton app, actually. 01:01:46.100 --> 01:01:47.100 Okay, that's what I was wondering. 01:01:47.100 --> 01:01:48.100 I was just looking at it. 01:01:48.100 --> 01:01:51.940 If you go in there, we have added an extra category, and that was actually the suggestion 01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:52.940 of the committee. 01:01:52.940 --> 01:01:53.940 Okay. 01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:54.940 Good. 01:01:54.940 --> 01:01:55.940 So we're taking actions already, things they've suggested. 01:01:55.940 --> 01:01:56.940 Yeah, EngageDenton app. 01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:57.940 All right. 01:01:57.940 --> 01:01:58.940 Perfect. 01:01:58.940 --> 01:01:59.940 Perfect. 01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:04.780 Is there any chance that you might add additional material to the website? 01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:06.020 Oh, yes. 01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:08.540 Other than Department of Justice? 01:02:08.540 --> 01:02:10.380 You know, this sort of thing is ongoing. 01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:11.380 Yeah. 01:02:11.380 --> 01:02:15.540 I mean, that was just our start of our website. 01:02:15.540 --> 01:02:16.540 Yeah. 01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:18.700 But all of those links go to DOJ. 01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:19.700 Okay. 01:02:19.700 --> 01:02:23.340 Do you have a, like, is there any certain website? 01:02:23.340 --> 01:02:25.340 No, just a little more. 01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:26.340 Just wondering. 01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:27.340 Okay. 01:02:27.340 --> 01:02:28.340 Absolutely. 01:02:28.340 --> 01:02:29.340 We can, yeah. 01:02:29.340 --> 01:02:34.140 Because there might be some that we might want to look at that have maybe a little bit 01:02:34.140 --> 01:02:35.140 more user-friendly. 01:02:35.140 --> 01:02:36.140 Okay. 01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:37.140 Yeah. 01:02:37.140 --> 01:02:43.340 So the Department of Justice website is, it's very business-oriented, but it is also, that 01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:49.580 is the ultimate authority on the ADA, so we really like to refer back to that source. 01:02:49.580 --> 01:02:54.140 But maybe I should write a letter to them and say, "Hey, let's get a little more lively 01:02:54.140 --> 01:02:57.140 content on your website." 01:02:57.140 --> 01:03:04.140 Anybody else have any questions, comments? 01:03:04.140 --> 01:03:08.340 I have one. 01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:10.540 Before you step down, I'd like to acknowledge Mark. 01:03:10.540 --> 01:03:15.940 He was just certified as a League Cycling Instructor pursuant to your comment earlier 01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:18.840 about device safety. 01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:19.840 Great resource. 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:20.840 Go Mark. 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:25.620 As was Melissa in the same class. 01:03:25.620 --> 01:03:26.620 Thank you. 01:03:26.620 --> 01:03:27.620 All right. 01:03:27.620 --> 01:03:28.620 Thank you. 01:03:28.620 --> 01:03:29.620 Okay. 01:03:29.620 --> 01:03:42.220 That moves us to item number 1D, TSC 19-032, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion, 01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:47.300 and on this one, make a recommendation to City Council to relocate the school zone on 01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:50.780 Pocras Page Road for Pecan Creek Elementary. 01:03:50.780 --> 01:03:53.060 Good afternoon. 01:03:53.060 --> 01:03:57.520 I am Pamela Mutul, Traffic Engineer for the City of Denton. 01:03:57.520 --> 01:04:04.060 And today, we wanted to bring up an existing school zone for Pecan Creek Elementary. 01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:15.420 Currently, it is on Pocras Page near Waterlily Way, right here, and we are recommending to 01:04:15.420 --> 01:04:25.660 relocate it east, closer to the elementary school, to Posto Boulevard. 01:04:25.660 --> 01:04:30.580 This review and recommendation was initiated by the police department because they're 01:04:30.580 --> 01:04:37.000 working on the crossing, they managed the crossing guard program, and they're planning 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.060 for the next school year. 01:04:39.060 --> 01:04:46.940 So currently, they are wrapping up the development for these residential homes, just east of 01:04:46.940 --> 01:04:56.500 existing homes, and part of that development, they've connected the sidewalk all the way 01:04:56.500 --> 01:05:04.820 east to Posto on the north side of Pocras Page, and part of that construction, so it 01:05:04.820 --> 01:05:12.620 goes up to here to Posto, just west, and they included a ramp right here. 01:05:12.620 --> 01:05:21.660 So I worked with the city, and we included another ramp on the south to connect, to allow 01:05:21.660 --> 01:05:27.380 connectivity to the south of Pocras Page. 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:32.380 So currently, it's under construction, and they started on the east side, and they're 01:05:32.380 --> 01:05:38.060 working west, and after speaking with the project manager, this should be wrapped up 01:05:38.060 --> 01:05:45.780 by the end of July, and that's why we are presenting this to you today, to receive feedback 01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:49.500 on our recommendation to relocate the school zone. 01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:57.460 So I have some images. 01:05:57.460 --> 01:06:06.260 So currently, this is the school zone, it's 340 feet near Waterlily Way, and this is protecting 01:06:06.260 --> 01:06:15.940 students crossing north-south on Pocras Page, and this is looking east. 01:06:15.940 --> 01:06:25.500 So you have your beacon, you have your signage of school crossing nearby, you have this sign 01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:33.900 for people going northbound on Waterlily, and this is looking west, you have your beacon 01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:42.300 on your left side, and another sign saying that you're entering the school zone. 01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:48.260 So in blue, you have your existing route, anyone living on the north, they walk on the 01:06:48.260 --> 01:06:56.220 north side, they cross near Waterlily Way, and then continue their path along south portion 01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:58.960 of Pocras Page all the way to the school. 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:04.580 So what we're proposing, since the sidewalk is going to tie into the existing, at this 01:07:04.580 --> 01:07:16.220 point, is to encourage the students to continue the north path up to this point, cross south 01:07:16.220 --> 01:07:27.220 on Pocras Page at Post Oak, and then continue their route to the school. 01:07:27.220 --> 01:07:35.900 So what we're proposing is for the proposed school zone at Post Oak, from this crosswalk 01:07:35.900 --> 01:07:50.580 to go 220 feet each direction, so a total of 440 feet, and so part of this, if the commission 01:07:50.580 --> 01:07:56.900 recommends this take place, we would relocate all of the infrastructure, so the beacons, 01:07:56.900 --> 01:07:58.340 all the signage. 01:07:58.340 --> 01:08:07.300 We would install a crosswalk here on Pocras Page to connect the two ramps being installed, 01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:13.820 and we would actually remove the previous crosswalk to not encourage students to cross 01:08:13.820 --> 01:08:19.500 at an unprotected crosswalk during the school hours. 01:08:19.500 --> 01:08:27.060 That's what I have for today, any questions? 01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:30.220 What's the length of the current school zone? 01:08:30.220 --> 01:08:34.580 It is 340 feet, so we'd be adding 100 feet. 01:08:34.580 --> 01:08:35.580 Okay. 01:08:35.580 --> 01:08:38.580 Is that average? 01:08:38.580 --> 01:08:44.660 I haven't checked, but the police department mentioned this is the shortest school zone, 01:08:44.660 --> 01:08:45.660 so it's not average. 01:08:45.660 --> 01:08:54.620 It's actually on the lower end. 01:08:54.620 --> 01:09:02.820 Why would we take the protected parking from the original, why would you do that? 01:09:02.820 --> 01:09:08.580 Over time maybe, but right now everybody's so used to crossing there, so you want to 01:09:08.580 --> 01:09:14.940 be protected on both ends, so that way, you know, if it's there, and they're still able 01:09:14.940 --> 01:09:19.860 to use it, you know, it's just a matter of just extending it, leaving that sign there, 01:09:19.860 --> 01:09:25.740 and then extending it, put your other sign at the other end. 01:09:25.740 --> 01:09:27.500 So let me field that one. 01:09:27.500 --> 01:09:29.180 Can you zoom out just a little bit? 01:09:29.180 --> 01:09:30.180 Okay. 01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:36.020 So the predominant movement from the neighborhoods on to Pocras Page is they come out and they 01:09:36.020 --> 01:09:41.900 turn left, and so because that sidewalk is extended, ultimately we want the sidewalk 01:09:41.900 --> 01:09:44.140 to extend to the school on both sides. 01:09:44.140 --> 01:09:46.820 So they don't have to cross the road. 01:09:46.820 --> 01:09:51.020 The logic in extending, well, since they are extending the sidewalk, the logic in moving 01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:56.260 that school zone is that we put them, again, they're crossing against a lower and lower 01:09:56.260 --> 01:09:57.260 volume. 01:09:57.260 --> 01:09:59.540 The volume on Pocras Page gets lower and lower as you get to the school, because the road 01:09:59.540 --> 01:10:01.340 kind of ends at the school. 01:10:01.340 --> 01:10:03.180 So it's only school traffic. 01:10:03.180 --> 01:10:08.420 They don't have to deal with the traffic coming out of any of these other neighborhoods, and 01:10:08.420 --> 01:10:12.260 if we could, and I got here late, but if we could, we would probably push the crosswalk 01:10:12.260 --> 01:10:16.340 to the other side of Post Oak, because people come out of Post Oak and turn left. 01:10:16.340 --> 01:10:19.820 We're just trying to minimize the number of vehicles that the kids have to cross. 01:10:19.820 --> 01:10:23.900 Keep them on the sidewalk as long as we can, and again, ultimately, they want to take them 01:10:23.900 --> 01:10:27.380 all the way to the school, but keep them on the sidewalk and cross them against the fewest 01:10:27.380 --> 01:10:28.380 number of vehicles. 01:10:28.380 --> 01:10:29.380 That's why we're doing that. 01:10:29.380 --> 01:10:30.380 Oh, okay. 01:10:30.380 --> 01:10:37.620 I guess in my head I was thinking, kids live there for so long, they're so used to walking 01:10:37.620 --> 01:10:43.300 out with their friends, they're so used to walking out with this friend, it's a top-of-the-top 01:10:43.300 --> 01:10:44.300 turnoff point. 01:10:44.300 --> 01:10:47.300 You turn here, then we cross here, then we go home. 01:10:47.300 --> 01:10:51.660 We're going to push for this too, if it's approved and adopted. 01:10:51.660 --> 01:10:58.180 We will push for it to start before the fall semester, or before the school year starts, 01:10:58.180 --> 01:11:00.700 but if we cannot, then we'll have that discussion. 01:11:00.700 --> 01:11:06.420 If we want to wait for the Christmas break and transition then, we definitely don't want 01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:09.700 to confuse the students when they start the school year. 01:11:09.700 --> 01:11:12.260 When I got out of school, it was one way. 01:11:12.260 --> 01:11:17.700 Then they're going back to school, and then they always say, "Oh, we cross here." 01:11:17.700 --> 01:11:22.900 Then everybody that's riding down the street has always said, "We slow down here," because 01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:26.180 I know exactly what this road is. 01:11:26.180 --> 01:11:30.020 We'll work with the school for some public outreach, so they'll send it over home with 01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:34.740 the kids and the parents, and they'll have contact if they're like the schools I'm used 01:11:34.740 --> 01:11:35.740 to. 01:11:35.740 --> 01:11:38.180 We work with the parents prior to the first day of school. 01:11:38.180 --> 01:11:40.100 They know who they are. 01:11:40.100 --> 01:11:45.860 If we move before school starts, we'll do that public outreach campaign, or if we have 01:11:45.860 --> 01:11:50.220 to wait until school is in session, we may not have to wait until Christmas, but that 01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:55.340 gives us even more of an opportunity to tell the students that, "Hey, we're making a change." 01:11:55.340 --> 01:11:59.100 Stay on your side of the street until you get to the school zone. 01:11:59.100 --> 01:12:03.660 This zone does have a crossing guard, so that again helps a lot. 01:12:03.660 --> 01:12:06.900 Keep walking until you see the guard that you've always walked to, and she'll get you 01:12:06.900 --> 01:12:10.180 or he'll get you across the street. 01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:14.100 Part of it is a learning curve, but I think we're moving in the right direction, and we 01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:19.140 want to take advantage of that sidewalk and move those kids to crossing the least number 01:12:19.140 --> 01:12:21.380 of vehicles that they can. 01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:26.820 Currently, there's a crossing guard here at Water Lily, and there's one at Postoak, and 01:12:26.820 --> 01:12:33.180 I did confirm with PD, and they will keep the one on Postoak, so there will be two crossing 01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:37.300 guards. 01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:43.740 They mentioned how during pickup, the car pull does extend past Postoak, so this crossing 01:12:43.740 --> 01:12:53.660 guard will be assisting the students cross and making sure it's safe. 01:12:53.660 --> 01:13:02.540 What is preventing continuation of the sidewalk, and when might that be resolved? 01:13:02.540 --> 01:13:06.460 From my understanding, it's the development. 01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:14.780 There are limits of construction, and so there are plans to eventually widen Postoak and 01:13:14.780 --> 01:13:21.780 connect to the north, but we currently are not aware of a timeline, and I believe there's 01:13:21.780 --> 01:13:33.700 some drainage issues in this area, from my understanding. 01:13:33.700 --> 01:13:39.980 Denton seems to like to build sidewalks that end. 01:13:39.980 --> 01:13:40.980 Yes. 01:13:40.980 --> 01:13:43.460 Let me respond to that. 01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:48.300 Typically we'll wait until development occurs on vacant property, and they will construct 01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:51.380 the sidewalk as required by ordinance. 01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:59.980 We have a sidewalk program, and we're about to embark, well, we're going to begin to develop 01:13:59.980 --> 01:14:06.220 our safe route to school program in full force, so that we can identify using those sidewalk 01:14:06.220 --> 01:14:09.460 bond funds to target areas like this. 01:14:09.460 --> 01:14:15.580 You can see there's some existing single family or residential towards the east. 01:14:15.580 --> 01:14:18.660 That sidewalk just isn't going to be built until a roadway is reconstructed, so we may 01:14:18.660 --> 01:14:22.660 come in as a city and say we're going to extend this. 01:14:22.660 --> 01:14:26.420 These are the kind of projects that we're looking for as part of the safe route to school 01:14:26.420 --> 01:14:29.580 or even as part of the sidewalk bond program. 01:14:29.580 --> 01:14:30.860 There's funding available. 01:14:30.860 --> 01:14:32.820 There's more funding being talked about. 01:14:32.820 --> 01:14:40.020 Todd Estes is putting together a bond package for this fall, and the numbers I've seen 01:14:40.020 --> 01:14:45.300 are 10 to 12 million for sidewalks, so we'll have a little bit deeper pocket to target 01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:52.540 areas like this, either around schools or other facilities that have either a high pedestrian 01:14:52.540 --> 01:14:59.300 volume or high potential for pedestrian volume, and these infill pieces, we can accomplish. 01:14:59.300 --> 01:15:00.460 Jeff. 01:15:00.460 --> 01:15:05.220 What's the speed limit on that road? 01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:06.780 I believe it's 30. 01:15:06.780 --> 01:15:14.620 I checked that, and I believe it's 30 miles an hour. 01:15:14.620 --> 01:15:17.900 Any other questions? 01:15:17.900 --> 01:15:19.620 Okay. 01:15:19.620 --> 01:15:28.580 Our job is to make a recommendation to city council to go with staff suggestion regarding 01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:31.380 this crosswalk or this school zone. 01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:35.300 I move that we go with staff suggestion. 01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:36.300 I second that. 01:15:36.300 --> 01:15:38.500 A motion for approval and a second. 01:15:38.500 --> 01:15:39.500 Everyone in favor? 01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:40.500 Aye. 01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:41.500 Aye. 01:15:41.500 --> 01:15:42.500 Opposed? 01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:43.500 Excellent. 01:15:43.500 --> 01:15:45.860 And we'll be moving that on to council then. 01:15:45.860 --> 01:15:46.860 Thank you. 01:15:46.860 --> 01:15:49.500 Thank you. 01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:51.740 Okay. 01:15:51.740 --> 01:16:00.500 That brings us to item 1E, TSC 19-033, which is to receive report hold discussion regarding 01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:05.060 Article 3 of the city code, which governs boards, commissions, and committees, and vote 01:16:05.060 --> 01:16:10.780 on the absence report code for Daniel Krutka. 01:16:10.780 --> 01:16:14.740 Do we have backup? 01:16:14.740 --> 01:16:37.340 Because I don't have my backup with me. 01:16:37.340 --> 01:16:55.660 I will find you for you, I promise. 01:16:55.660 --> 01:17:11.420 And here, do you want the article? 01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:23.580 It didn't do it, did it? 01:17:23.580 --> 01:17:43.300 Okay, so what we need to do today is to take a look at the ordinance, what do we call that, 01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:57.060 Article 3, that discusses the number of allowable absences for a member on boards and commissions. 01:17:57.060 --> 01:18:08.620 And so, if you had a chance, take a look at where is the number of, okay, there we go. 01:18:08.620 --> 01:18:14.100 So on this one, under, you know, quorum is obvious, and voting required, no attending 01:18:14.100 --> 01:18:19.140 member of the board shall be excused or shall abstain for voting, on which a vote is called 01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:27.300 or required, and is it under C, number of absences, there we go. 01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:32.700 So unexcused absence of any board, commission, or committee member of more than three regularly 01:18:32.700 --> 01:18:36.060 called and scheduled meetings of the board's commission or committee, of which he or she 01:18:36.060 --> 01:18:43.220 is a member in any one year or lack of attendance at 50% of the number of regular meetings should 01:18:43.220 --> 01:18:51.020 be considered cause for removal by the city council from such board, commission, or committee. 01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:59.020 There are excused absences, of course, and those are all delineated through here, but 01:18:59.020 --> 01:19:12.980 the absence report here, exhibit number 3, let's see, hmm, I don't know, there we go. 01:19:12.980 --> 01:19:24.900 We have, so it's, there we go, we have Dan Kretka's absences. 01:19:24.900 --> 01:19:29.300 Do we have a number of accrued absences? 01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:51.460 Okay, since we've started counting, okay, this is, okay, okay, okay, so I guess my question 01:19:51.460 --> 01:19:55.020 is are we going to consider tonight an absence? 01:19:55.020 --> 01:20:08.940 Okay, so this is a whole new thing for us, to need to look at a member's absences and 01:20:08.940 --> 01:20:15.580 decide whether effectively they are excused or unexcused, really, am I right? 01:20:15.580 --> 01:20:21.940 And so, you know, Dan sent a note that he was, of course, going to be missing June and 01:20:21.940 --> 01:20:33.620 July because of traveling, and there it is. 01:20:33.620 --> 01:20:40.300 So our question will be, while we're, if we're now going to start, and this will be something 01:20:40.300 --> 01:20:49.200 apparently moving forward, that we will be more, you know, careful about counting absences, 01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:54.620 making certain that people who have made the commitment to serve on the board and commission 01:20:54.620 --> 01:21:02.300 are serving on the board and commission unless there are, you know, reasons that are unavoidable 01:21:02.300 --> 01:21:05.060 for, you know, the person to miss. 01:21:05.060 --> 01:21:15.100 And so this is the first time that we're looking at this, as whether we will, as a group, excuse 01:21:15.100 --> 01:21:22.620 Vice Chair Krittka's absences for June and for July, or whether we will begin to count 01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:29.220 these two absences as counting against him in his three absences. 01:21:29.220 --> 01:21:36.620 Now at three absences, his appointing City Council member can remove him and appoint 01:21:36.620 --> 01:21:37.620 somebody else. 01:21:37.620 --> 01:21:40.620 Have I got that right? 01:21:40.620 --> 01:21:48.300 I'm looking at Trey because these are illegal. 01:21:48.300 --> 01:21:54.300 True. 01:21:54.300 --> 01:21:57.940 It's something that you as the Chair can put to the board under the way it's written. 01:21:57.940 --> 01:22:03.620 It doesn't necessarily have to go to the board. 01:22:03.620 --> 01:22:07.460 Test. 01:22:07.460 --> 01:22:12.940 So effectively under the rules as their state is that the, I think it's quarterly, an attendance 01:22:12.940 --> 01:22:19.100 report has to go to the City Secretary and three or more unexcused absences will be shown 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:21.660 as cause to be removed from the board at that time. 01:22:21.660 --> 01:22:30.340 So yeah. 01:22:30.340 --> 01:22:40.020 So when we say that I can put it to the board, that's something that we can collectively 01:22:40.020 --> 01:22:42.080 put forward. 01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:46.100 Legally that would be okay that your decision, the way the code is written is that just the 01:22:46.100 --> 01:22:51.360 Chair decides if the absence is excused or not. 01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.980 So you as the Chair can either make the call or you can put it to the board to make the 01:22:54.980 --> 01:22:55.980 call. 01:22:55.980 --> 01:22:56.980 Okay. 01:22:56.980 --> 01:22:57.980 Okay. 01:22:57.980 --> 01:22:58.980 Got it. 01:22:58.980 --> 01:22:59.980 Thank you. 01:22:59.980 --> 01:23:02.980 It's always good to have legal. 01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:03.980 Okay. 01:23:03.980 --> 01:23:07.260 Let me just, I'm just going to say right away that I'm not comfortable making that decision. 01:23:07.260 --> 01:23:13.260 If I had stepped into this role knowing that this was going to be a decision that I would 01:23:13.260 --> 01:23:17.260 potentially be making in the future, yes, I can make that decision. 01:23:17.260 --> 01:23:26.500 But because this is just a new adherence to protocol that we're looking at, I am happier 01:23:26.500 --> 01:23:31.820 to entertain a discussion from us. 01:23:31.820 --> 01:23:32.820 All of you. 01:23:32.820 --> 01:23:33.820 Okay. 01:23:33.820 --> 01:23:34.820 We all have questions. 01:23:34.820 --> 01:23:35.820 Okay. 01:23:35.820 --> 01:23:36.820 Yeah. 01:23:36.820 --> 01:23:40.940 We're all going to be either reappointed or go off next month. 01:23:40.940 --> 01:23:41.940 Yes. 01:23:41.940 --> 01:23:46.700 So why are we talking about this now? 01:23:46.700 --> 01:23:52.420 He may not be here next month or the clock starts again. 01:23:52.420 --> 01:23:53.420 True. 01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:54.420 True. 01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:55.420 You're right. 01:23:55.420 --> 01:23:56.420 You're right. 01:23:56.420 --> 01:24:04.260 I believe that what we do need to do tonight is to establish this protocol moving forward. 01:24:04.260 --> 01:24:10.140 And so since we're at that tipping, that point at which we're looking at two absences 01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:15.620 by a continuing, a current member of the commission, we're going to start, we're going to start 01:24:15.620 --> 01:24:22.020 now and then, yes, should he be reappointed for a next two-year term, the clock will start 01:24:22.020 --> 01:24:23.140 again for him. 01:24:23.140 --> 01:24:29.580 But the protocol will then be in place and we won't have me up here saying, "I don't 01:24:29.580 --> 01:24:31.220 know nothing about this." 01:24:31.220 --> 01:24:36.100 Well, but he does this every summer. 01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:38.580 The rule wasn't there. 01:24:38.580 --> 01:24:42.040 Well, the rule has always been there. 01:24:42.040 --> 01:24:44.100 We haven't adhered. 01:24:44.100 --> 01:24:47.100 Oh. 01:24:47.100 --> 01:24:48.100 Not just us. 01:24:48.100 --> 01:24:49.100 Not just us. 01:24:49.100 --> 01:24:50.100 Here's bureaucracy. 01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:57.580 There's been a lack of adherence. 01:24:57.580 --> 01:25:04.140 But this would be something that we may want to consider. 01:25:04.140 --> 01:25:09.460 We may want to put out there to our friends and people we may recommend in the future 01:25:09.460 --> 01:25:13.900 that attendance is expected, that attendance is mandatory. 01:25:13.900 --> 01:25:19.140 And if you know that you are going to be gone for more than three, you know, three times 01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:21.660 per term that you reconsider. 01:25:21.660 --> 01:25:26.620 Is that three excused and unexcused or just unexcused? 01:25:26.620 --> 01:25:27.620 Unexcused. 01:25:27.620 --> 01:25:32.100 It does appear to be precedent set for excused. 01:25:32.100 --> 01:25:35.060 You know, some things are unavoidable. 01:25:35.060 --> 01:25:36.060 Jeff? 01:25:36.060 --> 01:25:43.820 Yeah, I was going to ask, as you were clicking through there, I only saw the criteria briefly 01:25:43.820 --> 01:25:49.140 as far as what is actually excused, whether it's adhered to or not. 01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:50.140 There we go. 01:25:50.140 --> 01:25:52.800 As far as the correct -- yeah, exactly. 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:54.420 And I just ask because I give an example. 01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:57.940 Like I had an absence a while back. 01:25:57.940 --> 01:25:59.300 It's been quite a while. 01:25:59.300 --> 01:26:05.860 Like my daughter was getting -- I mean, I'm sorry, I had a grandson born that same day. 01:26:05.860 --> 01:26:10.020 And I was up at the hospital till 6 a.m. throughout the evening, et cetera, till 6 a.m. in the 01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:11.020 morning. 01:26:11.020 --> 01:26:15.700 I mean, I'm not seeing that under excused, and for me, that would be pretty significant. 01:26:15.700 --> 01:26:16.700 Right. 01:26:16.700 --> 01:26:21.820 And I think that that would loosely fall under illness despite the fact that childbirth is 01:26:21.820 --> 01:26:23.820 not an illness. 01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:31.740 But I think under a -- under the scrutiny of our commission, I believe you get a pass 01:26:31.740 --> 01:26:32.740 on that. 01:26:32.740 --> 01:26:33.740 Okay. 01:26:33.740 --> 01:26:35.620 I mean, what's -- where is he? 01:26:35.620 --> 01:26:36.620 Why is he absent? 01:26:36.620 --> 01:26:38.620 Is it way out of that criteria? 01:26:38.620 --> 01:26:41.220 I mean, I don't know the reason why he's gone. 01:26:41.220 --> 01:26:42.220 Well, yeah. 01:26:42.220 --> 01:26:48.540 So the excused absence is being personal or family illness or illness, death of a family 01:26:48.540 --> 01:26:53.300 member, jury duty, service in the armed forces, testifying before the legislator attending 01:26:53.300 --> 01:26:57.660 a seminar involving municipal matters. 01:26:57.660 --> 01:27:08.740 He alludes in his letter that he will be at conferences potentially that will be related 01:27:08.740 --> 01:27:12.020 to his profession, not to municipal. 01:27:12.020 --> 01:27:20.120 So in a case in which he were attending a conference that dealt explicitly with traffic 01:27:20.120 --> 01:27:23.700 safety issues, that's an excused absence. 01:27:23.700 --> 01:27:29.820 When you are off presenting in your particular field, that's not an excused absence. 01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:35.380 But would that be considered as work-related since it's on there? 01:27:35.380 --> 01:27:44.020 If you go back and says excuse for business or employment, that's an excusable absence 01:27:44.020 --> 01:27:46.420 if it's for business or your employment. 01:27:46.420 --> 01:27:52.500 If he's working and he's absent because he has to go to these different places to present 01:27:52.500 --> 01:27:59.340 something, it is work, then that should be an excused absence. 01:27:59.340 --> 01:28:01.660 That's true. 01:28:01.660 --> 01:28:15.260 We also, and again, we would have to decide how stringently we want to apply evidence. 01:28:15.260 --> 01:28:20.460 When I go to a conference, I have to bring back my agenda. 01:28:20.460 --> 01:28:23.500 I bring back my receipts. 01:28:23.500 --> 01:28:31.500 I bring back -- I don't get excused from, you know, my job when I just say I'm going 01:28:31.500 --> 01:28:32.500 to be somewhere. 01:28:32.500 --> 01:28:41.660 If that's the case, then why don't we say we will excuse you if you can show just cause 01:28:41.660 --> 01:28:47.900 that you was doing this because of your work, but if you, you know, then you're covering 01:28:47.900 --> 01:28:48.900 both bases. 01:28:48.900 --> 01:28:53.980 You can be excused if you were doing it for your work, but if you were just out doing 01:28:53.980 --> 01:29:00.340 it because you wanted to be gone for that month and a half, then that's an unexcused. 01:29:00.340 --> 01:29:01.340 Right. 01:29:01.340 --> 01:29:02.340 Right. 01:29:02.340 --> 01:29:08.860 Yeah, and I honestly don't know how big of a precedent we're setting with anything that 01:29:08.860 --> 01:29:15.420 we may work on tonight, but this would be a precedent for us in the time that I have 01:29:15.420 --> 01:29:17.500 been on the committee. 01:29:17.500 --> 01:29:23.980 And so just due to, you know, that is something since we've got new terms coming up either 01:29:23.980 --> 01:29:31.180 because of newly appointed members or because you are being reappointed, August, September 01:29:31.180 --> 01:29:37.340 would be a time that we do establish that protocol going forward. 01:29:37.340 --> 01:29:43.140 And so I don't know if that's something that we would fine tune for us and say if you're 01:29:43.140 --> 01:29:48.860 going to be gone, bring us the agenda that says you were presenting or that you were 01:29:48.860 --> 01:29:49.860 in this case. 01:29:49.860 --> 01:29:50.860 I don't know. 01:29:50.860 --> 01:29:52.460 Melissa, what were you going to say? 01:29:52.460 --> 01:29:53.940 I got my question answered. 01:29:53.940 --> 01:29:54.940 Okay. 01:29:54.940 --> 01:29:55.940 With all the conversation. 01:29:55.940 --> 01:29:56.940 Yeah. 01:29:56.940 --> 01:29:58.940 It makes us all uneasy. 01:29:58.940 --> 01:29:59.940 I get it. 01:29:59.940 --> 01:30:00.940 Yeah. 01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:03.660 We're going to set the precedent either way we go. 01:30:03.660 --> 01:30:04.660 Right. 01:30:04.660 --> 01:30:05.660 Right. 01:30:05.660 --> 01:30:06.660 Right. 01:30:06.660 --> 01:30:11.780 Because we've really not discussed excessive absences in the past. 01:30:11.780 --> 01:30:13.180 So, Jeff? 01:30:13.180 --> 01:30:15.860 I was just saying it seems so subjective. 01:30:15.860 --> 01:30:20.100 I mean, I want to take a look at that like Kevin was mentioning. 01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:27.340 I mean, for example, my example is, you know, is that my grandson's birth. 01:30:27.340 --> 01:30:29.420 I mean, are you going to make me bring a birth certificate? 01:30:29.420 --> 01:30:33.540 I mean, it sounds kind of ridiculous but how far is it going to go? 01:30:33.540 --> 01:30:34.540 Right. 01:30:34.540 --> 01:30:41.620 But also this applies when you are the -- it potentially applies at three absences. 01:30:41.620 --> 01:30:44.380 Three unexcused absences. 01:30:44.380 --> 01:30:52.300 Which that does mean that over the course of two terms, we generally, you know, only 01:30:52.300 --> 01:30:57.100 have -- we have usually 10 to 11 meetings per year. 01:30:57.100 --> 01:31:04.300 So by the time you're missing, you know, three, you're, you know, close to a sixth of the 01:31:04.300 --> 01:31:06.100 abs -- of the year. 01:31:06.100 --> 01:31:07.100 Unexcused. 01:31:07.100 --> 01:31:08.100 You know. 01:31:08.100 --> 01:31:09.100 Yeah. 01:31:09.100 --> 01:31:10.100 Of unexcused. 01:31:10.100 --> 01:31:14.180 And so, you know, I believe that there's -- this is vague enough. 01:31:14.180 --> 01:31:18.660 So there's some latitude in there, you know, dealing, like I said, with illness. 01:31:18.660 --> 01:31:21.180 But that's unexcused. 01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:27.820 It does mean you could be a no call, no show or just not come. 01:31:27.820 --> 01:31:33.820 But you know, it's a lot of -- we all have good reasons why we can't make it. 01:31:33.820 --> 01:31:40.700 And -- but it's the, I'm not going to make it, I think is the problem, maybe. 01:31:40.700 --> 01:31:41.700 I don't know. 01:31:41.700 --> 01:31:47.180 Is that three a year or is that three per two-year term? 01:31:47.180 --> 01:31:48.180 Year. 01:31:48.180 --> 01:31:49.180 I'm sorry. 01:31:49.180 --> 01:31:50.180 One year. 01:31:50.180 --> 01:31:51.180 Oh, one year. 01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:52.180 Okay. 01:31:52.180 --> 01:31:57.180 So by the time you miss three in a year, then you've got -- you've missed a potentially 01:31:57.180 --> 01:32:04.020 a third, almost a third of the meetings. 01:32:04.020 --> 01:32:11.700 And then I don't know whether, you know, the -- I was going to put another layer on here, 01:32:11.700 --> 01:32:12.700 but I'm not going to. 01:32:12.700 --> 01:32:13.700 Forget it. 01:32:13.700 --> 01:32:14.700 Never mind. 01:32:14.700 --> 01:32:21.660 But when your vice chair maybe -- it weighs in a little heavier on you, but I'm not sure. 01:32:21.660 --> 01:32:27.260 I guess I always look at the human side of things, and the human side of things is things 01:32:27.260 --> 01:32:33.260 come up, people have prior commitments, we committed to this, but in our day-to-day lives, 01:32:33.260 --> 01:32:34.460 things can come up to where -- 01:32:34.460 --> 01:32:35.460 Absolutely. 01:32:35.460 --> 01:32:41.100 -- you see, out of our control, or it's a special occasion, you know, I got a daughter, 01:32:41.100 --> 01:32:45.020 I don't know if she's going to get married next month, so I can't tell you that, you 01:32:45.020 --> 01:32:46.020 know what I mean? 01:32:46.020 --> 01:32:47.020 Right. 01:32:47.020 --> 01:32:52.700 Because, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, I guess I wouldn't feel comfortable 01:32:52.700 --> 01:32:57.900 with telling him he can't be there anymore, because when I look at the email, he said, 01:32:57.900 --> 01:33:01.420 "I will be gone for this amount of time." 01:33:01.420 --> 01:33:06.260 So it wasn't like he didn't -- all of a sudden, May came, you don't hear from him. 01:33:06.260 --> 01:33:07.260 Right. 01:33:07.260 --> 01:33:09.300 June came, you don't hear from him. 01:33:09.300 --> 01:33:14.300 And now here we is, July, we don't hear from him, you know, back whenever he wrote it, 01:33:14.300 --> 01:33:18.140 he said, "I will be gone for this amount of time." 01:33:18.140 --> 01:33:19.140 Right. 01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:20.140 You know what I mean? 01:33:20.140 --> 01:33:26.660 So the human side of it is that him knowing that he took this commitment, like I said, 01:33:26.660 --> 01:33:34.940 it could be his job, his career, may want to go be in prison, I don't know, you know 01:33:34.940 --> 01:33:35.940 what I mean? 01:33:35.940 --> 01:33:43.700 But he let us know that he would be gone from this day to this day. 01:33:43.700 --> 01:33:48.380 And if I had to make a decision, I would say, "Hey, when he comes back on July the 15th, 01:33:48.380 --> 01:33:55.100 maybe we can address him and say, 'Hey, you know,'" you know, then we tell him if we're 01:33:55.100 --> 01:34:01.540 going to start really just implying everything that it says, well, then let's tell him, but 01:34:01.540 --> 01:34:08.980 the next time he do it, then it's -- that's just me being on the human side of things. 01:34:08.980 --> 01:34:10.980 Yeah, no, I see your point. 01:34:10.980 --> 01:34:15.540 I definitely see your point, that we do -- I think we might feel -- I know I feel a little 01:34:15.540 --> 01:34:21.100 bit retroactive, you know, like, oh, we haven't been counting your absences, but now we're 01:34:21.100 --> 01:34:26.220 going to, and there could be censure tied to it. 01:34:26.220 --> 01:34:30.860 I think that this, again, this is -- this will set our precedent going forward. 01:34:30.860 --> 01:34:36.740 I'm rolling off in August, by the way, so this sets your precedent moving forward. 01:34:36.740 --> 01:34:41.500 Something though, because I'm rolling off, I do want to say that one thing to think about 01:34:41.500 --> 01:34:50.980 is that -- that historically, he's gone -- he's gone -- you know, Vice Chair Krutka is going 01:34:50.980 --> 01:34:55.020 to be gone every summer, so you have to think about that. 01:34:55.020 --> 01:35:01.580 And will you -- will that then hinder when you have somebody who is guaranteed to be 01:35:01.580 --> 01:35:06.460 gone every summer and potentially gone every December, will that hinder the work of the 01:35:06.460 --> 01:35:07.900 committee? 01:35:07.900 --> 01:35:15.580 And that means that the onus is going to always be on the remaining members to make sure that 01:35:15.580 --> 01:35:22.420 you got that fourth person here, even in times when grandchildren are being born, people 01:35:22.420 --> 01:35:26.820 are getting sick, and people have surgery. 01:35:26.820 --> 01:35:32.500 I mean, that's something that you -- we have to consider, is that what kind of a responsibility 01:35:32.500 --> 01:35:39.180 does that put on everybody else when somebody is guaranteed to be gone at a window at a 01:35:39.180 --> 01:35:41.700 time when other people might want to be gone, too? 01:35:41.700 --> 01:35:44.700 So, Jim, what were you going to say? 01:35:44.700 --> 01:35:49.420 Well, I'm just going to -- for the councilor hiding in the corner, can we table the -- can 01:35:49.420 --> 01:35:50.420 we table the vote? 01:35:50.420 --> 01:35:51.420 Is that allowed? 01:35:51.420 --> 01:35:52.420 Yes. 01:35:52.420 --> 01:35:57.420 I'll walk up to the microphone. 01:35:57.420 --> 01:36:06.820 Yes, procedurally, you can -- you can postpone this to the next meeting or an event certain 01:36:06.820 --> 01:36:07.820 in the future. 01:36:07.820 --> 01:36:14.940 Well, the event certain would be when we see who's going to be here on the next two years 01:36:14.940 --> 01:36:16.180 with all the new appointments. 01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:17.180 Okay. 01:36:17.180 --> 01:36:18.180 Or reappointments. 01:36:18.180 --> 01:36:21.340 You see what I'm saying? 01:36:21.340 --> 01:36:22.340 Yeah. 01:36:22.340 --> 01:36:23.340 Yeah. 01:36:23.340 --> 01:36:26.100 Can we -- do we have consensus on this? 01:36:26.100 --> 01:36:33.820 To hold off on saying yesterday until we know for sure who's going to be here? 01:36:33.820 --> 01:36:40.980 I would like to bifurcate that decision and make a decision -- can I just pin you in right 01:36:40.980 --> 01:36:41.980 there? 01:36:41.980 --> 01:36:42.980 Pin me? 01:36:42.980 --> 01:36:51.500 I'd like to bifurcate that and not -- you know, table the discussion on what we would 01:36:51.500 --> 01:36:55.220 like to do with Vice Chair Krutka's situation. 01:36:55.220 --> 01:37:02.060 But I think that next meeting, we should then establish our protocol going forward. 01:37:02.060 --> 01:37:04.980 Well, by then, we'll know who's coming back. 01:37:04.980 --> 01:37:05.980 In August? 01:37:05.980 --> 01:37:13.020 Are the appointments made by August -- August 5th is when we meet again. 01:37:13.020 --> 01:37:18.980 Well, people are going to get reappointed or go off in August. 01:37:18.980 --> 01:37:19.980 That's more -- 01:37:19.980 --> 01:37:20.980 They'll know whether they're -- 01:37:20.980 --> 01:37:21.980 Middle of August. 01:37:21.980 --> 01:37:27.860 The council's not always very fast on the gun on that. 01:37:27.860 --> 01:37:28.860 Right. 01:37:28.860 --> 01:37:36.780 I think, yes, we should wait until Vice Chair Krutka comes back and to talk about what -- him. 01:37:36.780 --> 01:37:40.020 I think he needs the ability to defend himself. 01:37:40.020 --> 01:37:41.020 Yes. 01:37:41.020 --> 01:37:42.020 Due process. 01:37:42.020 --> 01:37:43.020 Right. 01:37:43.020 --> 01:37:44.020 Right. 01:37:44.020 --> 01:37:47.740 And then I think tied to that discussion, I think we should discuss our protocol and 01:37:47.740 --> 01:37:55.380 what we want to do about -- you know, again, like I said, a big thing is that when somebody 01:37:55.380 --> 01:38:02.420 on any commission is guaranteed to be gone, then it is a bigger responsibility on everybody 01:38:02.420 --> 01:38:06.220 else to be there to contribute. 01:38:06.220 --> 01:38:12.100 And if somebody's not contributing -- I mean, really, this is the heart of the absence issue 01:38:12.100 --> 01:38:19.340 is that we have -- when we have a member who doesn't contribute, you know, on a number 01:38:19.340 --> 01:38:23.220 of occasions, then that voice is gone. 01:38:23.220 --> 01:38:24.220 Becky? 01:38:24.220 --> 01:38:27.900 I understand the precedent for the whole commission. 01:38:27.900 --> 01:38:35.460 However, the report is due to the city secretary for a report to council quarterly. 01:38:35.460 --> 01:38:37.980 So the absence for June has to be reported. 01:38:37.980 --> 01:38:38.980 Okay. 01:38:38.980 --> 01:38:39.980 In some fashion. 01:38:39.980 --> 01:38:40.980 Okay. 01:38:40.980 --> 01:38:41.980 Okay. 01:38:41.980 --> 01:38:49.980 And the absence -- Can you say an undetermined absence? 01:38:49.980 --> 01:38:54.500 Absence of undetermined -- I can try. 01:38:54.500 --> 01:39:01.500 So the question is, you know, was he -- is he away for work? 01:39:01.500 --> 01:39:03.460 Is that -- that's the question we have. 01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:04.460 Is it not? 01:39:04.460 --> 01:39:11.460 I mean, because if he's away from work, then by -- what we've all read is that if he's 01:39:11.460 --> 01:39:18.620 away from work, it's an excused absence, and we can't tell somebody that they wasn't working. 01:39:18.620 --> 01:39:26.900 Well, we can, because we can ask for documentation, you know, if he is -- since he works at the 01:39:26.900 --> 01:39:36.100 university, we could ask him for documentation of attending a, you know, a conference -- presenting 01:39:36.100 --> 01:39:37.720 at a conference. 01:39:37.720 --> 01:39:40.500 So there's a lot of ways to document. 01:39:40.500 --> 01:39:46.700 And I guess that goes back to saying that if he says that he was and he presents that, 01:39:46.700 --> 01:39:50.140 then it goes as, you know what I mean? 01:39:50.140 --> 01:39:55.780 But right now, we can't say that he wasn't working because he's not here. 01:39:55.780 --> 01:39:58.740 We haven't given him an opportunity to present it. 01:39:58.740 --> 01:40:01.740 You understand what I'm saying? 01:40:01.740 --> 01:40:02.740 It's like trial and fire. 01:40:02.740 --> 01:40:09.740 So we have to go by what's written, if he's away for a conference, and we say it's for 01:40:09.740 --> 01:40:15.460 work, then we have to let that be work until he proves, you know -- I mean -- 01:40:15.460 --> 01:40:17.420 >> Innocent of proving guilty. 01:40:17.420 --> 01:40:18.420 >> Yeah. 01:40:18.420 --> 01:40:19.420 >> You get it? 01:40:19.420 --> 01:40:20.420 >> You know what I mean? 01:40:20.420 --> 01:40:27.460 And so it's one of those things that right now I would say, because I don't know, I would 01:40:27.460 --> 01:40:30.460 have to say that conference, work. 01:40:30.460 --> 01:40:35.460 So I would say he was at work, so to me, it's an excused absence because it's work related. 01:40:35.460 --> 01:40:36.460 >> Okay. 01:40:36.460 --> 01:40:37.460 Okay. 01:40:37.460 --> 01:40:43.860 I've got some traveling going on there, but Becky, what are you going to say? 01:40:43.860 --> 01:40:48.380 >> I've been tasked to simply ask, why were you absent? 01:40:48.380 --> 01:40:49.700 I don't need the detail. 01:40:49.700 --> 01:40:53.620 I don't have the privilege of asking for specific details. 01:40:53.620 --> 01:40:58.860 So that's why the answer that was provided was presented to the commission. 01:40:58.860 --> 01:41:06.060 So if it's not my purview to say, were you on vacation or was it work? 01:41:06.060 --> 01:41:10.340 I have to present whatever the answer was. 01:41:10.340 --> 01:41:17.180 So I don't need to know that you were dying in the hospital because X. 01:41:17.180 --> 01:41:18.180 I don't need that. 01:41:18.180 --> 01:41:26.020 I was in the emergency room or I had a family emergency or I was called away for work. 01:41:26.020 --> 01:41:32.060 Just basic answers will be the only thing that I ask for as the recorder for the commission. 01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:38.140 So I presented the response that I got specifically from Daniel for your consideration. 01:41:38.140 --> 01:41:44.620 But the attendance reports are due quarterly and the end of the quarter is June. 01:41:44.620 --> 01:41:48.820 Understanding that this is new, it may not have been new for the commission. 01:41:48.820 --> 01:41:51.860 It just has not been done. 01:41:51.860 --> 01:41:55.280 Not only for this commission, but for other boards and committees. 01:41:55.280 --> 01:42:02.420 There were other business units that were lax in their response or the communication 01:42:02.420 --> 01:42:05.820 about the requirement was not well communicated. 01:42:05.820 --> 01:42:10.940 And I personally could be at fault because I was new to this commission and learning 01:42:10.940 --> 01:42:18.380 and the handoff or the transition of the staff member before me was not 100%. 01:42:18.380 --> 01:42:24.380 So it's been a learning curve for all of us, whether the requirement was there previously 01:42:24.380 --> 01:42:26.740 or not. 01:42:26.740 --> 01:42:32.300 We were tasked as staff liaisons to distribute the Article III. 01:42:32.300 --> 01:42:38.900 That's the reason Todd Estes presented it for your review at the last meeting. 01:42:38.900 --> 01:42:42.660 Although Daniel wasn't here, it was in the body of information that was shared with him 01:42:42.660 --> 01:42:44.580 as well. 01:42:44.580 --> 01:42:48.900 And this was the response that I received to be shared. 01:42:48.900 --> 01:42:56.220 So I can't explain whether it is or is not for work, but that was the answer that I received. 01:42:56.220 --> 01:43:03.660 So just trying to stay within the guidelines of these new or more enforced requirements 01:43:03.660 --> 01:43:04.660 that are due to council. 01:43:04.660 --> 01:43:13.260 But I had to go back, just so you'll all know, I had to go back all the way to 2018 and report 01:43:13.260 --> 01:43:21.300 present or absent with no reason, just present or absent, all the way from the end of 2017 01:43:21.300 --> 01:43:25.740 through the present, even though I wasn't associated with the commission. 01:43:25.740 --> 01:43:28.660 I had to go off of the meeting minutes. 01:43:28.660 --> 01:43:30.420 And Patrice can attest to this too. 01:43:30.420 --> 01:43:35.500 I had to go back and ask her to sign all of the minutes that were approved or approved 01:43:35.500 --> 01:43:41.180 with correction as part of this getting back on task. 01:43:41.180 --> 01:43:48.400 So that's my only request tonight is either I either need a statement or a recommendation 01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:54.740 from the commission to be included with the attendance report, to be tabled for the president 01:43:54.740 --> 01:43:57.940 going forward by this commission. 01:43:57.940 --> 01:44:01.300 So July can be separated out. 01:44:01.300 --> 01:44:06.380 It can be, you know, you can make that a separate discussion when Daniel returns in August. 01:44:06.380 --> 01:44:13.100 So you're saying we can decide on excused or excused for June, and then we can deal 01:44:13.100 --> 01:44:15.020 with July next month? 01:44:15.020 --> 01:44:16.020 Correct. 01:44:16.020 --> 01:44:17.020 Okay. 01:44:17.020 --> 01:44:18.020 Awesome. 01:44:18.020 --> 01:44:19.020 Thank you. 01:44:19.020 --> 01:44:20.020 What is your deadline to report? 01:44:20.020 --> 01:44:23.340 It's quarterly and the end of the quarter is June. 01:44:23.340 --> 01:44:25.340 So it's now. 01:44:25.340 --> 01:44:32.740 So last month's absence is due, when this meeting is over, I have the requirement to 01:44:32.740 --> 01:44:37.020 turn in the attendance roster. 01:44:37.020 --> 01:44:39.140 Okay. 01:44:39.140 --> 01:44:56.820 Well, he did tell us at his last attending that he was going to be absent and he has 01:44:56.820 --> 01:45:00.460 been a very engaged member. 01:45:00.460 --> 01:45:03.140 I would agree with that. 01:45:03.140 --> 01:45:04.140 Absolutely. 01:45:04.140 --> 01:45:05.140 Yeah. 01:45:05.140 --> 01:45:11.620 I mean, I think we could -- I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and call 01:45:11.620 --> 01:45:13.780 it a working absence. 01:45:13.780 --> 01:45:14.780 Okay. 01:45:14.780 --> 01:45:17.020 Is that a motion? 01:45:17.020 --> 01:45:18.020 For June, yeah. 01:45:18.020 --> 01:45:20.260 And then we can talk about July later. 01:45:20.260 --> 01:45:21.260 Okay. 01:45:21.260 --> 01:45:29.300 So do we have consensus that June is excused due to work-related responsibilities? 01:45:29.300 --> 01:45:32.280 Okay. 01:45:32.280 --> 01:45:37.820 We always got to be careful about what kind of precedent we set, though, because he may 01:45:37.820 --> 01:45:38.820 roll off. 01:45:38.820 --> 01:45:39.820 Like I said, I'm rolling off. 01:45:39.820 --> 01:45:41.820 You don't know who you're going to get next. 01:45:41.820 --> 01:45:45.340 Can I ask a question? 01:45:45.340 --> 01:45:54.380 So I mean, obviously -- I'm unaware of the process of how you're appointed chairman and 01:45:54.380 --> 01:45:55.940 vice chairman. 01:45:55.940 --> 01:45:56.940 And so -- 01:45:56.940 --> 01:45:57.940 You vote on us. 01:45:57.940 --> 01:45:58.940 The board does? 01:45:58.940 --> 01:45:59.940 Yeah. 01:45:59.940 --> 01:46:10.060 So if I'm gone and he's gone, then who picks up the slack? 01:46:10.060 --> 01:46:14.060 Well, I mean, once we get the new appointments, you'll pick a new chair and vice chair for 01:46:14.060 --> 01:46:15.380 the following year. 01:46:15.380 --> 01:46:19.400 If both of them happen to be absent during a meeting, then the first order of business 01:46:19.400 --> 01:46:25.340 for that meeting will be to pick a temporary chair that will last the length of that single 01:46:25.340 --> 01:46:26.340 meeting. 01:46:26.340 --> 01:46:27.340 Thank you. 01:46:27.340 --> 01:46:34.340 Okay. 01:46:34.340 --> 01:46:43.340 So what I'm hearing is that we have a consensus that June 4 vice chair, Krutka, can be excused 01:46:43.340 --> 01:46:47.100 due to a work-related absence. 01:46:47.100 --> 01:46:52.980 We'll deal with July and August, and we can discuss then -- because like I said, I'm rolling 01:46:52.980 --> 01:47:00.300 off, but I'm serious about that if -- we are -- and I always agree that, you know, we need 01:47:00.300 --> 01:47:07.580 to be, you know, on protocol, keeping our records like they are supposed to be kept. 01:47:07.580 --> 01:47:15.020 But we should make some decisions about how we want to -- how our commission, your commission 01:47:15.020 --> 01:47:21.940 going forward will then handle that type of extended absence, you know, particularly in 01:47:21.940 --> 01:47:29.260 a time when a lot of other people may also want to be absent and that it does -- it does 01:47:29.260 --> 01:47:35.460 put more of a burden on everybody else to make sure that their butts are here when somebody 01:47:35.460 --> 01:47:40.700 else is guaranteed to be gone. 01:47:40.700 --> 01:47:42.620 Okay. 01:47:42.620 --> 01:47:43.620 Carry on. 01:47:43.620 --> 01:47:44.620 Thank you. 01:47:44.620 --> 01:47:45.620 Happy to help. 01:47:45.620 --> 01:47:46.620 All right. 01:47:46.620 --> 01:48:03.900 Now, back in my seat, that brings us to item 1F, which is TSC 19-034, our staff reports. 01:48:03.900 --> 01:48:04.900 Ha! 01:48:04.900 --> 01:48:10.300 That's exactly what I want to look at. 01:48:10.300 --> 01:48:11.300 Thanks. 01:48:11.300 --> 01:48:12.300 Is it? 01:48:12.300 --> 01:48:13.300 No. 01:48:13.300 --> 01:48:14.300 Okay. 01:48:14.300 --> 01:48:21.980 So, here's your -- here's your street construction report. 01:48:21.980 --> 01:48:27.140 I am not really able to field questions. 01:48:27.140 --> 01:48:31.380 I have some, actually, as I'm going through this, and most of these are shown as -- should 01:48:31.380 --> 01:48:32.380 be complete. 01:48:32.380 --> 01:48:35.300 So, if this is the latest, I'm curious. 01:48:35.300 --> 01:48:43.180 But if you have questions and would like information next month on any of these projects, let me 01:48:43.180 --> 01:48:47.700 know now, but I really -- I'm too new. 01:48:47.700 --> 01:48:52.700 I don't have any depth of history on any of these projects and all I can do is read the 01:48:52.700 --> 01:48:53.700 same as you can. 01:48:53.700 --> 01:49:00.740 So, if you have questions seriously on any of these for next time, let me know and we 01:49:00.740 --> 01:49:04.540 can put that together. 01:49:04.540 --> 01:49:11.020 You missed the deadline on EGLE, Carol, and I take personal responsibility for that. 01:49:11.020 --> 01:49:13.540 Get out there and stripe it. 01:49:13.540 --> 01:49:14.540 Okay. 01:49:14.540 --> 01:49:18.900 So, this is -- as far as I'm concerned, the best I can do is this is an informational 01:49:18.900 --> 01:49:19.900 item for this meeting. 01:49:19.900 --> 01:49:25.140 We'll become more interactive as I get a little bit further along and get some history behind 01:49:25.140 --> 01:49:26.900 me. 01:49:26.900 --> 01:49:32.560 If I know what projects you're really concerned about or what your hot buttons are, just let 01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:38.420 me know and we can have a much more in-depth discussion on status and estimated completion 01:49:38.420 --> 01:49:41.340 and the tasks that are underway. 01:49:41.340 --> 01:49:43.980 I just have one question. 01:49:43.980 --> 01:49:44.980 Okay. 01:49:44.980 --> 01:49:54.180 Is all the construction done on TV and balance or on that four-way site, is it going to be 01:49:54.180 --> 01:49:55.180 any more? 01:49:55.180 --> 01:49:58.180 There's always a chance for more. 01:49:58.180 --> 01:50:04.380 So, again, I don't -- I know that's wrapping up, but I don't have an estimated completion 01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:05.380 date for you. 01:50:05.380 --> 01:50:09.020 I know we're doing some striping out there, so I know we've done some signage change 01:50:09.020 --> 01:50:12.580 and we're doing some -- might even be doing some signal modifications, but I don't know 01:50:12.580 --> 01:50:14.940 an estimated end date. 01:50:14.940 --> 01:50:16.820 When is EGLE going to open up? 01:50:16.820 --> 01:50:18.500 They're getting pretty close, aren't they? 01:50:18.500 --> 01:50:19.500 Yeah, and I don't know. 01:50:19.500 --> 01:50:20.500 I'm serious. 01:50:20.500 --> 01:50:21.500 I just -- I have -- 01:50:21.500 --> 01:50:22.500 I didn't know if it was on. 01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:23.500 I almost know. 01:50:23.500 --> 01:50:27.260 But I -- this is where -- I mean, you guys have my email. 01:50:27.260 --> 01:50:30.100 If not, I can give you my cards. 01:50:30.100 --> 01:50:35.180 If you have a question, we can certainly answer those questions outside of this purview. 01:50:35.180 --> 01:50:36.180 Okay. 01:50:36.180 --> 01:50:37.180 Okay. 01:50:37.180 --> 01:50:38.180 Okay. 01:50:38.180 --> 01:50:39.180 Okay. 01:50:39.180 --> 01:50:40.180 Next month. 01:50:40.180 --> 01:50:41.180 Yes. 01:50:41.180 --> 01:50:42.180 Or next -- tomorrow. 01:50:42.180 --> 01:50:43.180 Or next week. 01:50:43.180 --> 01:50:45.700 I mean, there's -- we don't have to wait a month. 01:50:45.700 --> 01:50:49.980 I mean, if you have specific questions on any of these that are on this list, let me 01:50:49.980 --> 01:50:51.780 know and we'll get you some feedback. 01:50:51.780 --> 01:50:52.780 Okay. 01:50:52.780 --> 01:50:53.780 Okay. 01:50:53.780 --> 01:50:54.780 Thank you. 01:50:54.780 --> 01:50:55.780 Okay. 01:50:55.780 --> 01:51:00.780 Do you have -- yeah, Matrix. 01:51:00.780 --> 01:51:12.340 That's our favorite, you know. 01:51:12.340 --> 01:51:21.660 So some of these are very old, and we talked about the August meeting. 01:51:21.660 --> 01:51:27.100 Any of these items of interest to be brought forward? 01:51:27.100 --> 01:51:32.700 We've got a couple on there that are marked for a maybe removal, but these all predate 01:51:32.700 --> 01:51:33.700 me. 01:51:33.700 --> 01:51:34.700 Oh, the maybes. 01:51:34.700 --> 01:51:50.580 I'll have to wait until Daniel's back next week or next month since they're all his. 01:51:50.580 --> 01:51:57.540 And you have this electronically, if there are items on this list, on this Matrix, that 01:51:57.540 --> 01:52:00.340 you'd like to see fleshed out in August, let us know. 01:52:00.340 --> 01:52:05.020 We've got a couple of things that are already queued up, but -- so we would recommend or 01:52:05.020 --> 01:52:08.900 we would request an August meeting if you were considering not having one. 01:52:08.900 --> 01:52:12.740 We could probably fill an agenda, but we could include any of these topics in there that 01:52:12.740 --> 01:52:15.860 you might want to discuss at greater length. 01:52:15.860 --> 01:52:24.700 And actually, I think number one and seven are the same -- they're the same issue. 01:52:24.700 --> 01:52:28.860 Station motors and Hercules muffler, those are the same -- that's the same location. 01:52:28.860 --> 01:52:34.740 McKinney Locust and Elm just north of McKinney. 01:52:34.740 --> 01:52:37.500 And so I would respond, that's an enforcement issue? 01:52:37.500 --> 01:52:38.500 Yeah. 01:52:38.500 --> 01:52:43.180 If they're blocking the sidewalk, that's against state statute, not even local statute. 01:52:43.180 --> 01:52:46.420 So that's an easy enforcement issue. 01:52:46.420 --> 01:52:47.420 Yeah. 01:52:47.420 --> 01:52:52.940 Clay, number two, did we ever get number two yet? 01:52:52.940 --> 01:52:58.860 We have not gotten what I consider satisfactory on that, because I was wanting to drill down 01:52:58.860 --> 01:53:06.900 to what is our percentages of pedestrian accidents, bicycle accidents, motor vehicle accidents, 01:53:06.900 --> 01:53:10.540 so that we can maybe address some of these things. 01:53:10.540 --> 01:53:16.980 Because I'm a little concerned because I know bicycle accidents get a lot of press, but 01:53:16.980 --> 01:53:20.740 pedestrian accidents I think actually outnumber bicycle accidents. 01:53:20.740 --> 01:53:21.740 They do. 01:53:21.740 --> 01:53:22.740 Yeah. 01:53:22.740 --> 01:53:25.500 Is that right, Mark? 01:53:25.500 --> 01:53:27.660 They do regionally, and I believe they do locally as well. 01:53:27.660 --> 01:53:32.500 So we can get information from the cog, as well as PD, and bring that forward. 01:53:32.500 --> 01:53:36.700 We can -- how far back do you want to go, and do you want to see trend lines? 01:53:36.700 --> 01:53:37.980 They're actually trending upward? 01:53:37.980 --> 01:53:40.260 Well, just in the last year. 01:53:40.260 --> 01:53:41.260 Yeah. 01:53:41.260 --> 01:53:42.260 Yeah. 01:53:42.260 --> 01:53:43.260 That works. 01:53:43.260 --> 01:53:44.260 Okay. 01:53:44.260 --> 01:53:47.540 So item number two, we'll bring that forward in August. 01:53:47.540 --> 01:53:48.540 Okay. 01:53:48.540 --> 01:53:49.540 All right. 01:53:49.540 --> 01:53:50.540 Anything else? 01:53:50.540 --> 01:53:51.540 Let us know. 01:53:51.540 --> 01:53:52.540 We'll be putting the agenda. 01:53:52.540 --> 01:54:00.140 One of our initiatives is to get this thing out a little sooner, so we have time to -- well, 01:54:00.140 --> 01:54:01.140 it's for us. 01:54:01.140 --> 01:54:03.740 So we have time, and we're not hustling at the last minute to try and get all our agenda 01:54:03.740 --> 01:54:07.100 items Wednesday before the week. 01:54:07.100 --> 01:54:13.140 So we're probably going to try and finalize this agenda at least a week prior to -- maybe 01:54:13.140 --> 01:54:20.160 two weeks prior to the meeting, so -- which puts us two weeks out. 01:54:20.160 --> 01:54:24.460 So just -- we're going to try and give you a little bit more lead time with the packet 01:54:24.460 --> 01:54:28.220 in your hand and published agenda, so we're not, again, trying to squeeze something in 01:54:28.220 --> 01:54:29.220 the last minute. 01:54:29.220 --> 01:54:30.220 Nice. 01:54:30.220 --> 01:54:33.220 Will you scroll a little bit? 01:54:33.220 --> 01:54:37.300 There we go. 01:54:37.300 --> 01:54:42.020 Thank you. 01:54:42.020 --> 01:54:47.460 Number nine, I think, will be a topic in August, because I think we'll have some citizen comment 01:54:47.460 --> 01:54:48.460 on that. 01:54:48.460 --> 01:54:49.460 Yeah. 01:54:49.460 --> 01:54:58.740 And number 12, mine, if we can find out where we are on that, because we're wanting -- what 01:54:58.740 --> 01:55:04.000 I asked was for some demonstration projects for protected bike lanes, and we were looking 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:08.860 at Highland and Hinkle, wasn't it? 01:55:08.860 --> 01:55:11.860 I was suggesting Hinkle. 01:55:11.860 --> 01:55:13.400 Yeah. 01:55:13.400 --> 01:55:17.220 And I know that Hinkle's down to dirt now. 01:55:17.220 --> 01:55:18.220 Okay. 01:55:18.220 --> 01:55:22.540 So we can have a -- you want a status update in August, just to -- here's -- 01:55:22.540 --> 01:55:30.080 In the traffic flow, because they were talking about putting some on-street parking on Hinkle 01:55:30.080 --> 01:55:31.080 to that new development. 01:55:31.080 --> 01:55:34.620 So they weren't keeping the bike lane, because they had a bike lane? 01:55:34.620 --> 01:55:38.660 I think they were keeping the bike lane, but they were going to have some more parking 01:55:38.660 --> 01:55:39.660 there. 01:55:39.660 --> 01:55:40.660 Yeah. 01:55:40.660 --> 01:55:41.660 Yeah. 01:55:41.660 --> 01:55:49.980 You might want to -- if they vote dead bond, to include an update of what they voted. 01:55:49.980 --> 01:55:53.500 They vote the sidewalks and the bike lanes and all that. 01:55:53.500 --> 01:55:55.580 I believe it won't be until November. 01:55:55.580 --> 01:56:01.460 No, no, not the election, but the bond committee says they're willing to put on a ballot. 01:56:01.460 --> 01:56:04.100 We can bring forward to you what the current package is at that time. 01:56:04.100 --> 01:56:05.100 Right. 01:56:05.100 --> 01:56:06.100 What their proposal is. 01:56:06.100 --> 01:56:07.100 Certainly. 01:56:07.100 --> 01:56:08.100 Excellent. 01:56:08.100 --> 01:56:16.660 I don't know if -- but you know the road that goes right in front of DCTA, like, where the 01:56:16.660 --> 01:56:17.660 buses turn? 01:56:17.660 --> 01:56:18.660 Right. 01:56:18.660 --> 01:56:24.180 So, lately, because I ride the bus, I drive whichever one, lately it's been a lot of just 01:56:24.180 --> 01:56:26.020 willy-nilly cars going there. 01:56:26.020 --> 01:56:29.380 Is there anything that we can do, bigger size or whatever. 01:56:29.380 --> 01:56:34.100 I'm talking about they come through there like it's -- like it's just a regular street. 01:56:34.100 --> 01:56:35.100 You know what I mean? 01:56:35.100 --> 01:56:39.340 And, you know, people that ride the bus so used to walking around, just walking across 01:56:39.340 --> 01:56:40.340 the street. 01:56:40.340 --> 01:56:45.380 But, you know, now you have like today, I think about nine of them went that way, you 01:56:45.380 --> 01:56:46.380 know. 01:56:46.380 --> 01:56:47.940 They just turn and just go. 01:56:47.940 --> 01:56:48.940 Okay. 01:56:48.940 --> 01:56:49.940 You mean at the DDTC? 01:56:49.940 --> 01:56:50.940 Yeah. 01:56:50.940 --> 01:56:51.940 Downtown. 01:56:51.940 --> 01:56:57.180 Where the buses go in that, that road right there, you know, where the buses are traveling 01:56:57.180 --> 01:56:58.180 at. 01:56:58.180 --> 01:56:59.180 Right. 01:56:59.180 --> 01:57:00.180 I see a lot of people, they come and they turn. 01:57:00.180 --> 01:57:03.660 They go down and they turn and go back over the track, you know. 01:57:03.660 --> 01:57:08.220 And so I don't know if they can't see the -- if it's a one-way side or -- 01:57:08.220 --> 01:57:09.220 Yeah. 01:57:09.220 --> 01:57:10.220 We can look at some -- 01:57:10.220 --> 01:57:11.220 You know what I mean? 01:57:11.220 --> 01:57:15.500 Let us review what's out there and we'll bring -- if we can formulate a solution or an enhancement, 01:57:15.500 --> 01:57:16.500 we'll bring that to you. 01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:20.580 Yeah, I just -- you know, it was just something -- because some days I do ride the bus and 01:57:20.580 --> 01:57:25.340 I noticed today that when I was there, it was like, shh, shh, shh, shh. 01:57:25.340 --> 01:57:26.340 Okay. 01:57:26.340 --> 01:57:30.820 You know, it's like, you know, then I walked to the other side, I said, well, maybe a bigger 01:57:30.820 --> 01:57:31.820 sign or something. 01:57:31.820 --> 01:57:32.820 I don't know. 01:57:32.820 --> 01:57:37.540 But, you know, it's becoming more of a -- 01:57:37.540 --> 01:57:38.540 More common? 01:57:38.540 --> 01:57:39.540 Yeah, more common. 01:57:39.540 --> 01:57:40.540 Okay. 01:57:40.540 --> 01:57:42.260 We can look at that. 01:57:42.260 --> 01:57:47.580 My number 11 there, with hot signals from pedestrian crossings on Carroll, Carroll doesn't 01:57:47.580 --> 01:57:49.980 intersect easily. 01:57:49.980 --> 01:58:00.460 So I remember bringing it, and I was looking at Carroll, and there are a number -- there 01:58:00.460 --> 01:58:07.460 are long stretches of Carroll Boulevard where there is no place for pedestrians to cross. 01:58:07.460 --> 01:58:08.460 Okay. 01:58:08.460 --> 01:58:15.500 Or, you know, at maybe Crescent or Cordell, they can cross, but if they're heading -- want 01:58:15.500 --> 01:58:20.780 to get anywhere to the south, they have to get all the way up to Congress before they 01:58:20.780 --> 01:58:25.420 could cross, either -- going either way, if they want to go west or they want to go east. 01:58:25.420 --> 01:58:27.460 So that was what I was looking for there. 01:58:27.460 --> 01:58:34.940 Are there any ways to incorporate some pedestrian crossing so that people don't have to walk, 01:58:34.940 --> 01:58:36.740 you know, whatever that stretch is? 01:58:36.740 --> 01:58:37.740 Right. 01:58:37.740 --> 01:58:41.860 You know, from Hawk, the pedestrian hybrid beacon, it's basically a traffic signal that's 01:58:41.860 --> 01:58:43.980 pedestrian activated. 01:58:43.980 --> 01:58:50.420 It's a tool that I've used elsewhere successfully, and it's a great tool. 01:58:50.420 --> 01:58:54.100 It's better than -- you're familiar with the RRFBs, like we've got out in front of City 01:58:54.100 --> 01:58:55.420 Hall here. 01:58:55.420 --> 01:59:00.300 Those are great, but they're not tied to any of the traffic signals, so the pedestrian 01:59:00.300 --> 01:59:02.500 hybrid beacon, we can actually program. 01:59:02.500 --> 01:59:07.420 So the pedestrian pushes the button, and the signal won't actually activate until it's 01:59:07.420 --> 01:59:12.140 reached the proper sequence or point in the signal sequence from either side. 01:59:12.140 --> 01:59:17.420 So if you're in the middle between two signals, we're not going to let you start crossing 01:59:17.420 --> 01:59:21.500 right after the signal has unloaded all these cars and dumped them on the street, headed 01:59:21.500 --> 01:59:24.700 northbound or southbound, and so they start, then they have to stop again. 01:59:24.700 --> 01:59:29.420 So that's one of the reasons why we like to use the Hawk or the pedestrian hybrid beacon, 01:59:29.420 --> 01:59:31.420 because we can actually coordinate that. 01:59:31.420 --> 01:59:36.260 The pedestrian still gets a protective phase, but they get it at a time when they're least 01:59:36.260 --> 01:59:39.060 disruptive to everything else that's going on on the street. 01:59:39.060 --> 01:59:40.060 Yeah. 01:59:40.060 --> 01:59:41.060 Okay. 01:59:41.060 --> 01:59:42.060 Yeah, yeah. 01:59:42.060 --> 01:59:43.060 That sounds great. 01:59:43.060 --> 01:59:44.060 So that's a tool that we can certainly look at. 01:59:44.060 --> 01:59:47.420 We can -- we'll take a -- is it just Carol, or are there other -- 01:59:47.420 --> 01:59:53.700 Carol is what I noticed, that people walk up -- because it's becoming a significantly 01:59:53.700 --> 02:00:03.220 more pedestrian-traveled area, and so Carol -- yes, Congress, people can cross there, 02:00:03.220 --> 02:00:09.500 but then, you know, people are on Egan, on Panhandle, on -- oh, I forgot -- you know, 02:00:09.500 --> 02:00:14.340 all the streets that go, you know, head on to the north, and if there were -- 02:00:14.340 --> 02:00:15.700 So let me qualify. 02:00:15.700 --> 02:00:20.180 The pedestrian hybrid beacon really works best as a mid-block. 02:00:20.180 --> 02:00:24.940 So normally we want to deter mid-block crossings, but because it's only a two-way signal, not 02:00:24.940 --> 02:00:30.500 a four-way signal, we want to -- you can -- I've seen four-way signal designs, but it really 02:00:30.500 --> 02:00:34.580 works better if it's mid-block, they get to a point, and they're only stopping the traffic 02:00:34.580 --> 02:00:35.580 -- it's cleaner. 02:00:35.580 --> 02:00:40.700 They don't have to worry about side street traffic coming in and turning, and not seeing 02:00:40.700 --> 02:00:42.420 a beacon or missing the beacon. 02:00:42.420 --> 02:00:46.980 So the mid-block crossing might not be right at the intersection you're thinking of, but 02:00:46.980 --> 02:00:47.980 we can put it close. 02:00:47.980 --> 02:00:48.980 Somewhere nearby. 02:00:48.980 --> 02:00:49.980 Yeah. 02:00:49.980 --> 02:00:55.420 Well, then we'll add another layer of problem there, because there are not sidewalks on 02:00:55.420 --> 02:00:58.060 the west side of Carroll Boulevard. 02:00:58.060 --> 02:01:03.420 And so we probably would want to rethink a hybrid beacon, the hawk, at a place where 02:01:03.420 --> 02:01:06.100 we don't have sidewalks. 02:01:06.100 --> 02:01:09.900 Or we can incorporate the sidewalk extension as part of that project, but we wouldn't want 02:01:09.900 --> 02:01:15.180 to dump them to somewhere, because everything we do, we have to make accessible. 02:01:15.180 --> 02:01:22.060 And we probably would want to think about where we put it, and assuming that we selected 02:01:22.060 --> 02:01:26.540 a location, we may want to select -- part of that criteria is that we've got sidewalks 02:01:26.540 --> 02:01:32.660 and we'll do one, and if this is successful, then we can propagate the use of the pedestrian 02:01:32.660 --> 02:01:35.860 hybrid beacon, but we know we need to extend sidewalks. 02:01:35.860 --> 02:01:45.140 So a better application for that than on Carroll Boulevard could be farther to the south, because, 02:01:45.140 --> 02:01:52.940 again, once you leave the Sycamore area heading south, then, again, there are no protected 02:01:52.940 --> 02:01:56.060 crosswalks until you get to Eagle. 02:01:56.060 --> 02:02:01.200 And so there are sidewalks there on both sides of Carroll Boulevard. 02:02:01.200 --> 02:02:07.140 So if we're looking near the market, and there's another -- there are office buildings, there's 02:02:07.140 --> 02:02:12.580 a little strip shopping center, there are apartments, but even all the way through there, 02:02:12.580 --> 02:02:15.900 there are no places for people to cross safely. 02:02:15.900 --> 02:02:16.900 So -- 02:02:16.900 --> 02:02:17.900 Okay. 02:02:17.900 --> 02:02:18.900 Yeah. 02:02:18.900 --> 02:02:19.900 Right. 02:02:19.900 --> 02:02:20.900 And that's exactly -- 02:02:20.900 --> 02:02:21.900 So that would be a good place to give that a shot. 02:02:21.900 --> 02:02:26.060 Now, of course, my wish list would be, then, that there would be sidewalks on both sides 02:02:26.060 --> 02:02:28.300 of Carroll Boulevard over on the north side. 02:02:28.300 --> 02:02:29.300 And there will be. 02:02:29.300 --> 02:02:30.300 Okay. 02:02:30.300 --> 02:02:31.300 Someday. 02:02:31.300 --> 02:02:32.300 Okay. 02:02:32.300 --> 02:02:33.300 But that's another project. 02:02:33.300 --> 02:02:38.500 And if the bond proposal that I've seen is successful, then we'll have a lot more resource 02:02:38.500 --> 02:02:40.700 to throw at the pedestrian element. 02:02:40.700 --> 02:02:41.700 Okay. 02:02:41.700 --> 02:02:42.700 Perfect. 02:02:42.700 --> 02:02:43.700 Thank you. 02:02:43.700 --> 02:02:47.580 Were you thinking of Teasley between Hobson and 35? 02:02:47.580 --> 02:02:52.140 I don't know, because I spend all my time that way. 02:02:52.140 --> 02:02:53.140 Yeah. 02:02:53.140 --> 02:02:54.140 But then also -- 02:02:54.140 --> 02:03:00.380 Because those are the only good crossing points I can think of, and 35 and Teasley is kind 02:03:00.380 --> 02:03:01.380 of scary. 02:03:01.380 --> 02:03:02.380 Right. 02:03:02.380 --> 02:03:03.380 I'm going to cut in. 02:03:03.380 --> 02:03:04.380 We're going a little deep for -- 02:03:04.380 --> 02:03:05.380 Sorry, Trey. 02:03:05.380 --> 02:03:06.380 -- hosting. 02:03:06.380 --> 02:03:07.380 Sorry. 02:03:07.380 --> 02:03:08.380 Okay. 02:03:08.380 --> 02:03:11.380 I tried to let go a little bit, but -- 02:03:11.380 --> 02:03:12.380 We can't help it. 02:03:12.380 --> 02:03:13.380 So, Trey, that begs my next question. 02:03:13.380 --> 02:03:15.500 Can we discuss the email that I sent you this morning? 02:03:15.500 --> 02:03:16.500 Oh, yeah. 02:03:16.500 --> 02:03:17.500 We can discuss that. 02:03:17.500 --> 02:03:18.500 Okay. 02:03:18.500 --> 02:03:23.620 So if you remember, the last meeting, we had a no parking request on a tiny little piece 02:03:23.620 --> 02:03:24.620 of curb. 02:03:24.620 --> 02:03:25.620 Yes. 02:03:25.620 --> 02:03:27.140 And everyone was like, "Well, that's already in the ordinance. 02:03:27.140 --> 02:03:28.300 Why is it here?" 02:03:28.300 --> 02:03:30.740 So this is kind of an FYI. 02:03:30.740 --> 02:03:35.980 If a traffic control device is already authorized by city code, we're probably not going to 02:03:35.980 --> 02:03:36.980 bring those to you. 02:03:36.980 --> 02:03:40.300 In fact, we're not going to bring those to you unless there are extenuating circumstances 02:03:40.300 --> 02:03:42.320 that make it really, really unique. 02:03:42.320 --> 02:03:48.840 So we've got some situations where the ordinance already says you have to leave ten feet of 02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:54.260 travel way in both directions, and if there's no way you can do that and allow on-street 02:03:54.260 --> 02:03:56.460 parking, we're going to restrict the parking. 02:03:56.460 --> 02:03:59.480 So it's kind of an FYI. 02:03:59.480 --> 02:04:02.420 We were all talking about it last time, and it was like, "It's already there. 02:04:02.420 --> 02:04:03.420 We don't have to do this. 02:04:03.420 --> 02:04:04.860 Do we really have to take action?" 02:04:04.860 --> 02:04:08.340 And the answer is no, you don't, and we probably won't bring those items to you. 02:04:08.340 --> 02:04:14.980 We can bring you an informational item that here's what we did since the last meeting, 02:04:14.980 --> 02:04:16.700 and these were all authorized. 02:04:16.700 --> 02:04:21.460 All these devices were authorized by the current code just to keep you up to speed on what 02:04:21.460 --> 02:04:25.260 we're doing, but we're not going to go through the request because it doesn't have to go 02:04:25.260 --> 02:04:26.260 to council. 02:04:26.260 --> 02:04:28.740 Council has already authorized it. 02:04:28.740 --> 02:04:33.420 I think we would like to be updated, again, because people will ask us, and then we have 02:04:33.420 --> 02:04:38.260 the opportunity to say, "This is why, and this is the way it ought to be." 02:04:38.260 --> 02:04:39.260 Yeah. 02:04:39.260 --> 02:04:40.260 Okay. 02:04:40.260 --> 02:04:43.500 So that's all I have as far as the staff reports. 02:04:43.500 --> 02:04:44.500 Okay. 02:04:44.500 --> 02:04:47.500 Anybody have anything to add to the matrix? 02:04:47.500 --> 02:04:48.500 Okay. 02:04:48.500 --> 02:04:49.500 All right. 02:04:49.500 --> 02:04:50.500 We're done with you. 02:04:50.500 --> 02:04:59.100 All right, and with that, unless anybody has anything else that you just have to say, Jim, 02:04:59.100 --> 02:05:08.340 we will adjourn at 738 p.m.