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 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton traffic safety commission meeting.

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 It is Monday July 1st 2019.

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 We have a quorum and it is 534.

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 The first item up for discussion is number 1A, items for consideration, TSC 19-029 which

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 is to consider the approval of the traffic safety commission meetings of June 3rd 2019.

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 Does everyone have a chance to look at them?

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 Does anybody have any corrections or additions or is somebody ready to make a motion?

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 I move we accept.

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 We have one motion for approval.

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 Second.

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 We have a second.

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 Everyone in favor?

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 Passes unanimously.

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 We're moving on to item 1B, TSC 19-030 which is to receive a report and hold a discussion

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 regarding the parking enforcement on the city streets around the University of North Texas

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 from university transportation services.

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 Good evening members of the commission.

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 My name is Pritam Deshmukh.

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 I'm the deputy city engineer and I would like to introduce the new staff liaison which is

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 our new city traffic engineer Brian Yon.

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 He brings a lot of experience and I think you're in good hands moving forward.

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 So I want to get this item started, hand over the baton and Brian is going to take it from

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 It was a pleasure working with you all.

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 And we're going to be hazing Brian.

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 So I think we're going to play a video from the mobility committee and then Mr. Phelps

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 is in the audience to take questions so we're going to see if we can get this to work.

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 That's what we're going to do.

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 Deal?

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 And you can bring that cards up any time.

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 But we'll take one more item and then we'll go to the Forest Ridge item.

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 Just we're going to receive a report and hold this is item H. Receive a report and hold

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 a discussion regarding the parking enforcement on the city streets around the University

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 of North Texas from university transportation services.

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 I'll just highlight for those who follow these sort of things, it's not a pending matter.

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 We're not giving direction.

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 We're going to receive a report and hold a discussion.

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 Good morning.

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 My name is Chris Phelps.

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 I'm the Director for Transportation Services at UNT.

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 With me today I have Brandy Renton, our Associate Vice President, over transportation services

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 and Stan Nixon, Assistant Director for Transportation Services.

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 We wanted to take this opportunity.

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 We appreciate the invitation out this morning.

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 Unfortunately, last month we were, I think, in the midst of commencement so we were out

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 helping that event.

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 So we appreciate the opportunity to come here.

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 I'd like to use this as an opportunity to begin a conversation with the committee.

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 I think this is my first time here.

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 We do have a number of working relationships with folks.

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 Welcome.

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 Thank you.

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 Thank you.

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 We have a number of working relationships with folks here in the room.

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 We're very appreciative of that.

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 We want to give you kind of an overview of what we do with transportation services and

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 then kind of begin that conversation of where you think that's appropriate at this committee

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 level as we go forward with the city.

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 We've had some initiatives in the past several months and I think there's a great opportunity

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 for us to give you an overview of what we do, help you understand what we do and how

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 we can work together to help both our community for our residents and our students and our

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 visitors and guests that are coming.

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 What do we have in way of resources?

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 I think we all hear about parking as a general thing.

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 We currently have more than 13,000 spaces to accommodate parking on campus both at the

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 main campus and Discovery Park.

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 Last year we added over 500 spaces out near Apogee Park or Apogee Field to assist with

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 student parking, resident parking.

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 Big major project going on at the former Fouts Field location.

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 The stadium is down, we're paving today, there's asphalting going on.

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 That will add an additional 1,000 spaces to our inventory.

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 Campus population is roughly 45,000 folks.

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 The mix of what we have in terms of hourly visitor permitted valet, the options transportation

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 is enough to meet the needs of our community.

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 We'll talk about, and with the addition of Fouts, the 1,000 spaces will meet the needs

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 for some time to come.

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 So when we hear about parking is a challenge at UNT, that is true.

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 There are some location issues, certainly not an inventory issue.

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 We have parking for folks on campus and we have a variety of options to help them pay

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 So we've gone from a more traditional mode where it's a permit, so we have folks who

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 do distance learning or other types of learning where there may be more infrequent visitors

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 We have different options to help that because a permit may not be the best fit for their

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 needs and so we want to be sensitive to that.

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 Talking about some of the alternatives that we have, Zipcar, we encourage folks nowadays

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 with our partnership with DCTA that get you in and around town.

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 You don't need a car.

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 We have four Zipcars that you can rent by the hour, anywhere from about $5.50 an hour

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 to $9.50 an hour, which includes your fuel, your insurance, the whole ball of work.

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 So you've absolutely, positively got to go somewhere that you can't get on a DCTA bus,

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 They can be rented by the hour, by the day, by the weekend, and whatnot.

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 Parking at Med Park, appreciate Nicole's talk there about using Med Park as a parking area.

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 We use that with the partnership with DCTA as a way for folks to, if they're coming up

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 I-35E, they can park at Med Park, ride the Colorado Express in, and it takes you directly

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 So if you don't want to pay for parking on campus or deal with the location issues, stop

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 at Med Park, ride the bus in.

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 It's convenient.

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 It's all-day service.

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 Use the A-Train.

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 We're a quick trip from downtown.

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 Use the VO Ride partnerships that we've got, we've got some options using the quick bicycle

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 Public transportation within the city of Denton.

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 We'll talk a little bit more here.

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 The students pay a transportation fee for bus service.

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 That is a fee, and we'll talk later about that, but as part of that fee, as we've negotiated

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 with DCTA, is they can use their student ID to access any fixed route within the city

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 of Denton to go where they need to go.

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 And then, of course, VO Ride.

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 Parking behaviors.

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 I've been in transportation a very long time, most of it in public transportation.

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 Parking, I'll tell you what our data shows, people don't like change.

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 We've had a lot of change at UNT in the last several years.

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 1,200 parking spaces lost due to the new buildings and infrastructure that's going in.

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 These are great things, but surface lots on the interior campus are a dialing breed.

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 It's prime real estate.

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 As we develop the campus, these are where things go.

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 So parking goes to the periphery.

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 People don't like to pay for parking on campus.

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 As you look at paying for parking, we all pay for parking irrespective of where we go.

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 If I go shopping at the grocery store, I'm paying for parking.

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 It's wrapped up as part of the overhead.

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 Because of the way in which state statute is written, we cannot wrap up our parking

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 fees into a fee or a tuition.

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 Only those people who use our services can be charged for it.

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 If you come to campus, don't own a car, don't park on campus, you don't have to pay for

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 But the people who do, they have to pay for that.

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 So there's that understanding why.

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 >> We have a question.

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 >> I just wanted to ask the question before I forget and why you just said it.

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 So you mentioned earlier that there's a transportation fee.

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 It is for all students, not covered by a waiver exemption, and attend class on campus.

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 >> And so that parking fee is something different than the transportation fee?

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 And that's covered in state statute.

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 The fee is something the students, they vote on, and they pay for out of their student

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 And so it's a very specific part of legislation.

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 The student transportation fee can only be used for buses, it may not be used for parking.

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 Parking funds go both ways.

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 I can use it for parking, I can use it for bikes, I can use it for buses.

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 But it doesn't work the reverse.

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 It is, a lot of people don't know.

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 And it is very specific.

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 I'll talk a little bit more about the transportation fee and what we've got there.

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 And I was going to wrap up on behaviors being emotional.

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 It's an emotional event for folks.

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 I mean, we're all users of services.

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 As you go somewhere and you pull in and you get that front spot, you feel pretty good.

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 But I would venture how many of you have ever called into the store manager and said, hey,

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 No, we don't.

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 We go on about our day.

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 But we hear from folks vocalizing issues about the parking challenges on campus.

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 And so we've got some ways that we have begun outreach.

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 We'll continue to do outreach, build partnerships.

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 We want our students and our guests to be successful.

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 So we need to make sure that we're making sure that they have the information they need

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 to make those choices as they go forward.

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 Parking enforcement, we do it.

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 It's one of the services outside of the others.

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 But we do enforce parking on campus.

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 Why?

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 Tens of thousands of people are on campus every day.

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 When you look at densities at UNT proper, as compared to regular Denton County, I think

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 it's somewhere in the numbers.

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 I think Denton County population density is probably 1,400 people per mile.

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 You get into UNT, it's upwards of 25, 26,000 people.

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 So there's a lot of people in a very congested area, and that creates a lot of challenges.

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 80% of the people, we go with the old 80/20 rule, 80% of the people go forward with their

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 They have a good day.

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 The 20% are the ones that create problems for the rest of us, and unfortunately we work

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 to ensure that the people who pay for the services they want get access to those services.

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 So folks aren't taking advantage of that.

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 We do some things to help become more of a service and less of an enforcement.

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 This year, with the new academic year, we've made a change to our enforcement structure.

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 It's a more staggered approach.

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 So the first two citations you get are either $0 or very minimal nuisance, kind of $10 charge.

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 That's our opportunity to kind of say, hey, here's the rules, here's the regs, here's

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 what you need, outreach so that folks know if they have questions, they can reach us.

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 As you progressively move on through getting the same one, the third, fourth, and fifth

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 time, the fees get greater and greater.

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 Hopefully this will encourage folks that didn't know, okay, hey, whoops, I now have some information,

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 I can contact someone, and those that know, they know.

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 We work with our customers.

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 We spend an amount of time, especially first time in college.

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 These are the kids fresh out of high school.

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 It's a brand new world for them.

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 So we spend a lot of times doing outreach for them to help them navigate that transition

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 And part of it in our department, we kid that they're in class studying whatever topics

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 are of interest to their major or personally, but we're kind of helping them in that transition

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 So you get that citation, call us, let us hear from you, let us know what's going on.

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 Warning stickers, we've made a change this last year where we do put some warning stickers

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 They're bright green.

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 You can't miss them if you see them driving around.

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 That's basically a sticker that says, hey, we've noticed you have a problem on your parking

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 You have 48 hours to give us a call.

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 Let us hear from you so that we can help you with whatever it is.

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 As a last resort, we have to tow someone or impound somebody's vehicle, but we all make

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 these efforts that folks say, hey, please call us.

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 And again, a lot of these are students that are making decisions.

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 They don't know the consequences.

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 They're embarrassed.

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 They hope it'll go away.

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 And the worst thing we can do is impound their property, and it spirals out.

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 So we hope that some of these things say, hey, we're kind of serious.

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 We really want to hear from you.

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 And I think that's been a success this last year and the implementation of that in terms

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 of people coming in to talk to us, and that's huge for us to have that opportunity to visit.

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 Folks are busy.

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 They've got a lot going on.

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 I understand this is the last thing you want to do, but we want to help you be successful.

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 And then proactive education through orientations, through residence halls, through community

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 events, coming out and doing things like this.

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 We want to reach out to folks, let them know of the education, so that here's what you

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 Here's the resources for you.

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 Where do my parking dollars go?

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 So I got to pay to park.

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 What do I get for that?

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 Capital improvements, new parking lots.

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 We've got $14 million going in at Fouts, 3 and 1/2, we talked about it at Apogee, Highland

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 Street Garage.

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 We've got a bond mortgage on that.

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 So in 2042, I think we're paid off on that.

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 So that's a $22 million facility that needs to be paid for.

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 Operating and maintenance, lot maintenance, lights, striping, potholes, curb stops.

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 Police services, we fund 80% of the UNT Police Department, so public safety.

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 So your dollars get public safety on campus, which is very important.

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 Event support, I mentioned commencements.

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 We do an enormous amount of event support on campus.

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 We're a destination for not only students, but guests and visitors that may be coming

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 to hear a guest speaker going to graduation ceremony or other type of events.

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 So we're there as a destination, so we want to help folks, helps go.

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 So again, my parking dollars, this is where they go.

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 Notice this is not transportation dollars, it's parking dollars.

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 Our next steps, we want to improve our partnerships with the City of Denton, with all of our stakeholders.

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 This is part of that today.

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 How can we help work with you so that you have the information that you need so when

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 you hear from constituents, you hear from business owners, you hear from interested

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 parties in the public about parking at UNT, you know where to go.

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 We've enjoyed working with the staff, we look to increase that and make our staff available

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 to you all so that we're a resource for you as well.

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 Transportation fee sustainability, this is the bus fee.

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 It was created in January 2003 at $3.50 per credit hour, and it has remained that fee

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 ever since.

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 So as you look at, you think, okay, well, what's happened over time?

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 When you look at what you paid for stuff in 2003 versus today, there's an obvious change.

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 Bus drivers are making more money, buses are more expensive to buy, cost of doing business

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 has increased.

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 Yes, it's based on a student credit hour, so you say, okay, well, there's some growth.

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 Well, we've reached in long past that point where growth provides sustainability for that.

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 So we have begun a discussion, we'll be continuing a discussion with student leadership on campus

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 about what that sustainability looks like.

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 Do we need to take a look at what services do you want?

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 What do you as students want in terms of transportation?

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 And then what do you want to pay for and make sure that the fee aligns with those expectations.

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 And increased spaces on campus reduces competition for parking, managing expectations, better

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 bus service with new station.

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 We've got a bus station going out at Fouts.

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 There's a dedicated transfer station with amenities, covered waiting, it'll have Wi-Fi,

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 it'll have monitors for bus arrival information, it's dedicated.

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 So it's not competing right now like it does with pedestrians and traffic.

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 So that will help that.

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 We've begun to look at some long range planning with DCTA, the cog on some bigger projects

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 that I think would complement not only the university but the neighborhood as we manage

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 that destination as being a source for where people go.

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 So there's some things out there.

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 As we look at transportation changes, it's being competitive in the marketplace and we're

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 fortunate in this area to be blessed with a lot of population, a lot of growth, a lot

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 of, again, people coming here.

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 And we want to continue to lead on being competitive and being a choice for folks.

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 And so we think with the options that we've got, it helps students, faculty, staff, guests,

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 and visitors manage their trip out.

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 And we'd like to continue working with you.

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 So a very generic overview, you may have some specific questions, and we're happy to begin

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 that conversation.

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 I'm happy to answer any questions you might have today.

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 Again, we're here, we are a resource for you, please let us know how we can help you.

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 So I know it's very general, but I'd like to answer any questions that you might have.

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 So we have two options, one, we can listen to the question and answer from the mobility

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 panel.

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 Okay, can you hear me now?

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 So we have two options.

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 We can listen to the question and answer period from the mobility committee, or we can just

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 jump into, because Mr. Phelps is here.

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 If you have specific questions you'd like to ask, we can just jump straight into that

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 choice of the committee.

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 How long did their questions stay?

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 I don't remember.

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 I was there, but I do not remember.

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 It was a while.

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 So again, this is online, you can always come back and watch it.

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 So if you'd like just to jump into your specific questions.

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 Yeah, we'd like to hear from you.

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 Well, I'll go back and watch it.

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 Good evening and thank you again.

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 I'm Chris Phelps, Director for Transportation Services at UNT.

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 I am pleased to be here.

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 I brought Stan Nixon with me.

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 He helps with our transit projects, special projects, a lot of our planning efforts there

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 as an Assistant Director in our department.

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 I believe this is the second time I've been to this committee.

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 We was here last year, so happy to be back.

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 I think my understanding is we kind of did this backwards.

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 We hit mobility committee before traffic safety.

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 Nonetheless, I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to answer questions, share information.

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 I'll leave some cards for you all.

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 Please don't be strangers.

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 You want to know something, call me, ask, I'm happy to have you come out.

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 We can take you on tours around, show you what's happening there.

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 But we are interested in working with the city to be better partners with our community.

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 So I think you'll find that we do listen, we do a lot of outreach, a lot of things to

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 help facilitate that.

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 However, I've been in this role for two years now.

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 There's a lot of myths out there.

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 And everybody hears and they talk about things they think they know about, but then there's

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 the reality.

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 And we tried to hit a little bit on that in that presentation.

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 And so as you hear about things at UNT, parking in particular, ask those questions.

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 Is that really?

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 And give me a call.

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 I'm happy to share that with you.

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 But again, happy to answer any questions.

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 I will leave my cards here for you.

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 So please, please take them.

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 And for anybody here on the committee or whatnot, any groups, I'm happy to be a resource for

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 you.

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 So thank you again.

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 Okay.

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 I have a question.

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 So you said that it would be in 2018 that you added 500 spots to the Apogee side of

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 campus.

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 That's correct.

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 530 or so.

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 530.

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 Then you'll be adding approximately 1,000.

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 That's correct.

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 Over at Fouts.

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 But have removed 1,200 then from the inner campus.

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 So really we're looking at a net gain of approximately 330 over the past two years.

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 Right.

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 Okay.

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 So the question I get from my students -- I teach at UNT -- so the question I get from

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 my students is do they over -- do they -- that's you -- oversell parking permits?

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 So the answer is yes and no.

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 Which permits would determine the more appropriate answer?

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 So students are going to say commuter permits.

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 Do we oversell?

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 Yes.

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 Why do we oversell?

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 Because not everybody's here on the same days and times.

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 So Tuesday, Thursdays are our busiest days.

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 Classes go from 8 o'clock in the morning until 1050 at night.

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 Right.

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 Depending on labs.

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 So do we oversell?

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 And I hate to say what oversell is.

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 We probably sell about 9,700 EGLE permits.

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 But again, you have -- not everybody's there Monday through Friday, 8 to 5 are the same

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 time.

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 Right.

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 So it's a qualified answer.

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 But there are areas where we do.

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 Yeah.

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 I told them.

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 Why would they leave a spot open on Monday, Wednesday, Friday?

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 Right.

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 Right.

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 Do -- what do you hear about -- so I use the Zipcar.

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 Okay.

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 Good.

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 And so I love that Zipcar.

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 Okay.

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 Good.

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 And what do you in general hear about the -- about how many students use the Zipcar

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 and what kind of feedback and what can we do to increase the use of Zipcar?

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 So that's a good question.

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 I get generally a lot of interest at new student orientations, both incoming freshmen and transfer

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 students that, "Hey, do I need to bring a car?"

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 So we have an opportunity to talk about that there, and that is received very positively.

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 The other information comes from Zipcar in terms of what our usage is looking like in

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 terms of it's good or -- you know, a lot of the ride share and the sharing industry, it's

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 very -- I don't want to say they don't share, it's just very generic in what we do get in

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 terms of what is their customer data and whatnot.

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 But in our information with them, that is a good program.

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 We do share communications frequently as part of our social media push.

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 When folks come to the office, we try to remind folks of the Zipcar option.

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 And so that is how we continue to keep that in the front.

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 There's a lot of times Zipcar does promotions, we announce that to our community, mainly

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 through social media pushes.

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 But then I come to committees like this, and as I go around campus, I'll hear about folks

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 who do use that.

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 And I think the best way for us to do is to really hear from the users on how it works

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 for them.

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 I think people hear us talk about it, but, okay, they hear me talk about a lot of things.

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 But I think it's getting some of that feedback from real users, almost like testimonials,

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 if you will, that say, hey, this is -- you know, I've got faculty staff a lot that use

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 it.

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 And I think that's great.

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 I see them out just because when I'm out, I notice that because it's part of our service.

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 So I do like to see that.

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 And then, you know, we have four of them.

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 They have dedicated homes.

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 So as I'm out on campus and I see the car gone, it's either in use or it may be out

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 for maintenance.

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 But typically, I get an email when it's being removed from service.

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 So if it's not there, it's generally being used.

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 So I have been pleased with that.

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 Of course, I would like to see that grow from four to six to eight or more.

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 But I think it's a niche product that meets some needs.

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 I think folks in this part of the country are afraid to let go of that freedom of having

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 their car.

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 And I think the folks who have explored this have found out, hey, this really does work.

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 And kind of seeing is believing.

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 And I think that's really where we've got to get folks to bite off.

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 And we really push that at orientations.

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 I mean, we graduate several thousand each year.

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 We've got to replace them with an incoming class.

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 And that's where we push that a lot.

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 And as someone who spent a majority of their career in public transportation, we tell folks,

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 look, you don't need a car.

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 You can literally get to campus.

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 You can navigate around.

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 We've got ride share options.

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 And now, like I said in the presentation, if you absolutely need a car to go somewhere,

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 then we've got you covered.

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 And it's relatively economical.

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 So I think it's just capturing that and really getting people to try that.

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 And I rely on our industry partners to share with me how we're doing.

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 We don't make money on that service.

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 So that is something that really complements the community.

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 It's something that the more folks I get to use that, they're paying for the direct benefit

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 of using that fuel insurance and whatever the Zipcar, there's an annual fee.

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 We don't make money on that service.

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 And there's a few of them that we don't make money on.

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 But they complement kind of our mission.

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 And so by making sure that program is successful, much like the bus and the veal ride, anything

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 I can do to get folks out of a car that makes parking available for those that do choose

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 to drive.

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 That would be something that would be good for parents.

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 I found out when I took my oldest kid to orientation at UT years ago.

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 And so that very first orientation was when UT said, don't even bring your car.

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 And they just laid down the line, don't do it.

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 And then said, and their Zipcar.

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 And so for 15 bucks a year, you've got that.

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 But that would be something good to push out to parents and even start planting that seed

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 during orientation, during campus tours.

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 And we do.

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 We have several parent-centric orientations throughout the summer.

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 We do share that.

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 And I think that's, again, an area where I think more is-- more outreach, more communication

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 is better.

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 But in the years in this business, it has gone through a shift to people are now talking

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 about it much more than they used to.

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 And so I think that's a good thing.

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 And I will tell you that most cars on campus, if you're a resident living on campus, your

484
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,880
 car leaves its spot infrequently.

485
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,120
 So a couple times a week, there are some outliers that they may work and they're driving to

486
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,360
 work more frequently.

487
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:31,200
 But we used to have some bus routes on campus that traveled through predominantly resident

488
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,560
 area.

489
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,780
 Nobody ever got on because it's car storage.

490
00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:38,240
 We have residents that park in the Highland Street garage.

491
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,160
 And I can tell you just on data, they're leaving about every 2 and 1/2 days is what that activity

492
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,160
 looks like.

493
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:52,840
 And with your campus activities, bus routes, some of the other options, you don't-- it's

494
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,840
 pure convenience.

495
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,600
 And I respect that.

496
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,480
 But I think when you take a look at, OK, what's the cost of that convenience?

497
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,920
 And you're paying what you're paying in student fees and all that, really?

498
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,800
 But it's a perceived freedom that folks have that I can go whenever, wherever, however.

499
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,240
 And I think it's just trying to reach and make sure folks know that.

500
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,380
 We have-- in the spring and fall semesters, we have transportation options seven days

501
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:21,520
 a week, 24 hours a day.

502
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,520
 So--

503
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,520
 Yeah.

504
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,520
 And something that's not, of course, under your purview.

505
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,600
 But I've heard that TWU tells freshmen they cannot bring cars to campus.

506
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,600
 Right.

507
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,600
 Right.

508
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,600
 Some universities do.

509
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,600
 And that's what they do.

510
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:39,280
 And we have not been at a point-- like I said, that-- resident parking is not the real issue.

511
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,200
 I have an inventory available for everyone.

512
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,280
 Folks don't understand how we're funded.

513
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,600
 I don't want to pay any more in fees.

514
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160
 I'm already paying enough in fees and tuition.

515
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:59,320
 I get zero-- it's forbidden by state law-- to-- it's not where I want it.

516
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,000
 And I respect that, too.

517
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:09,200
 But as we try to tell folks, it's one of those-- it's a balance between economics, spending

518
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:15,880
 what money we have wisely, spending it, I think, what folks would say, in good stewardship,

519
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,880
 as opposed to having a bunch of unused parking spaces that are very expensive to maintain.

520
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760
 And so it's like traveling to work.

521
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,960
 And if anybody's traveling down the interstate, you're leaving at weird hours because if you

522
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,000
 leave at two minutes past six, it's going to be-- it gets exponentially worse.

523
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000
 Parking is the same way.

524
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,460
 And I hear from folks that say, well, I shouldn't have to get to class very early.

525
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:44,040
 Well, you don't.

526
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,080
 But if your expectation is to park up front, yeah, you kind of have to get there early.

527
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,960
 But it's like I leave-- I commute from Fort Worth.

528
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,360
 I leave very early.

529
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,360
 Why?

530
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,360
 Because it's easier.

531
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:56,360
 And it's less stressful.

532
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,160
 And it's a choice I make.

533
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,600
 It's a 25-minute ride.

534
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,160
 And if I left at 735, I can guarantee you I won't make it here at 8 o'clock.

535
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
 So it's a lot of the same in the parking.

536
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,480
 And it's-- folks transition, especially from high school-- and I went to high school in

537
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,480
 the area.

538
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,480
 I drove to high school.

539
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120
 I had an assigned parking spot.

540
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
 That's a common expectation when I interview a lot of students.

541
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,920
 Did you go to high school and drive?

542
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,920
 Yes.

543
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,400
 Did you have assigned parking?

544
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,400
 Yes.

545
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,080
 So folks form this basis.

546
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,520
 They say, OK, I know I can get up at 740, and it takes me 10 minutes and 10 minutes

547
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,520
 to walk.

548
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
 I'll be at class at 8 o'clock.

549
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,700
 You can't do that here.

550
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,020
 It's a vibrant campus.

551
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:41,120
 Folks are-- they're not just attending class.

552
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,120
 They're working.

553
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,240
 They're researching.

554
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,120
 You're competing with tens of thousands of people for limited spots.

555
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800
 And so when you bring that approach-- and that's where you hear a lot of the vocalizations.

556
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,720
 They're trying to do what they've always done to be successful to get to class on time.

557
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:04,360
 And so that's part of that-- what we deal with in trying to-- you're right.

558
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,360
 We're with you.

559
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,560
 The realities are, do you want to get to class on time?

560
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,040
 I can do that.

561
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,160
 But we have to reform your expectation in that.

562
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:21,760
 Otherwise, a parking garage-- every spot in a parking garage is about $24,000 in current

563
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,000
 dollars.

564
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
 So people say, OK, just build parking garages.

565
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:32,480
 Well, at $50 million a pop, and you're complaining about the price permits now, how do you want

566
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,000
 to do that?

567
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,780
 And so this is why we have the options we do.

568
00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:38,240
 Go park remote.

569
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120
 We have bus transportation.

570
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,440
 I have students who live on campus that drive to class, because waiting eight minutes for

571
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520
 bus-- in between buses is too long.

572
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
 And it's there.

573
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,760
 And I'm with you.

574
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,960
 I want nothing more than to pull up where I'm going to.

575
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280
 But reality is, I can get you there, but here's what you've got to do.

576
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,160
 And you don't want to pay for parking?

577
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,160
 We've got a great partnership with DCTA.

578
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,160
 Go to Med Park.

579
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,160
 Hop on the bus.

580
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,280
 You can take the train, the bus, and you can be there.

581
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,080
 But again, I think it's understanding what you're getting into.

582
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,800
 And the narrative changes with folks.

583
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,360
 As someone who's been in business a long time, you tell me I have a 5 o'clock airport trip

584
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,360
 in the morning.

585
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,360
 I've got to go to Chicago.

586
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,360
 I know what that means.

587
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,160
 I know how to back that up and understand, OK, I can't miss a flight.

588
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,960
 I've got to plan for every eventuality, which means I get there super duper early.

589
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,960
 Is that right?

590
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,800
 I don't know, but I don't want to miss my flight in whatever obligation I have.

591
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,480
 It's hard to have that with folks coming right out of the house, out of the nest into real

592
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,480
 life.

593
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:50,000
 And so the narrative that we hear from folks, we have to qualify that, OK, there's no parking

594
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000
 on campus.

595
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,080
 And I hear that a lot.

596
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,080
 I have it.

597
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
 What are you trying to do?

598
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,120
 And that is a different conversation than we don't have enough parking.

599
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,120
 OK.

600
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,200
 You bet, Melissa.

601
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,200
 Yes.

602
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,200
 Yes, sir.

603
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,880
 Yeah, I'm a DCTA bus operator, and I've been going in circles for eight years.

604
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,160
 And one thing that has never been addressed, I don't think, is let's talk about peak load.

605
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:23,320
 Let's talk about the classes start at-- they all start at the same time, and they all get

606
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,040
 out at the same time.

607
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,880
 Have you ever had any luck changing that?

608
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,440
 So in terms-- so that's a big answer, or it's a big question because there's a lot in it.

609
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,520
 What's the most popular days for class?

610
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520
 Tuesday, Thursday.

611
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,520
 OK.

612
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
 So you get into the academic side, what's the most popular time to teach?

613
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,920
 10 to 2.

614
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,360
 And so you look at the resources on campus, you've got to spread that out to get the maximum

615
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,360
 benefit of that.

616
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,760
 So you've got to find somebody who wants to teach at weird hours, and somebody who wants

617
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120
 to go to class at weird hours.

618
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:02,500
 But more relative to bus capacity, bus loads, it's very much like peak traffic.

619
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:07,240
 We know, and we hear, and you all capture a pretty good snapshot of what the ridership

620
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,640
 looks like.

621
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,360
 If-- let's say I'm at the ridge at North Texas, and I have an 8 o'clock class, and there's

622
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,480
 a 740 bus, that's going to get me to class on time, and everybody else too.

623
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,620
 It's a peak issue.

624
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:28,140
 So one of the things we try to communicate with students is understand peak travel periods.

625
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:34,100
 Take the earlier bus, take the next bus, you'll find passenger loads very different.

626
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:41,680
 Discovery Park is an area where we need to do some outreach, and they offset their schedule,

627
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,500
 so they're a little bit different.

628
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:48,720
 So folks may take a course at Discovery Park and then got to come back to main campus,

629
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:54,260
 and schedules are offset, but they're not offset to handle the loads that we carry.

630
00:36:54,260 --> 00:37:01,160
 So we've got to have a conversation with them to understand what is your scheduling when

631
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,320
 students take classes.

632
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,660
 While this looks great on paper, I mean, let's look at Bonnie Bray.

633
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:10,140
 Bonnie Bray, there's a roundabout now, it's impacting-- so-- but traffic impacts that.

634
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,140
 There's a lot of things.

635
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:13,960
 It's not just the sheer-- it's three miles up the road.

636
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,100
 It's a lot of factors.

637
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,820
 Look at Razor Ranch development now, there's a lot more-- there's a lot more people want

638
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:21,100
 to go to this area, a lot more traffic we're doing.

639
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,000
 So there's a lot of things we need to take a look at.

640
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,740
 So the easy answer is take a look at your schedule, take the earlier bus.

641
00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:30,620
 If you're on a route where the bus is by every few minutes, take that earlier one.

642
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:34,800
 Yeah, you might have to get out of bed 10 minutes earlier, but you know what?

643
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,500
 You'll get to where you need to be.

644
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:40,600
 Absent that, I think we are working-- especially this year, we'll take a look at some things

645
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:47,600
 as we've worked with DCTA staff to be more dynamic in where buses go.

646
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,140
 So if you're on the center place bus route, for example, and there's five buses, but that's

647
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,600
 kind of what it's been scheduled.

648
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,020
 But I don't need five buses during this period of time.

649
00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:01,300
 I can reassign that bus to say Discovery Park where I do need the capacity.

650
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:10,980
 So we're going to try some things there that really match more of that need in peak areas.

651
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:11,980
 That makes sense.

652
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:13,740
 We'll try it.

653
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:19,540
 Part of it is, Jim, as well as the transportation fee that hadn't been changed since 2003.

654
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:25,260
 And we're in progress now trying to work with the Student Government Association to address

655
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:26,260
 that.

656
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:34,580
 As far as Discovery Park, which I did for four years straight, who planned the detour?

657
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:41,340
 We and DCTA for the-- For going down Nectar.

658
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:42,340
 Yeah.

659
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:44,540
 That's what we did.

660
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:45,540
 We did with them.

661
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,820
 So it was a group effort.

662
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:49,700
 Because the street is cracked.

663
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:50,700
 Yeah.

664
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,700
 Melissa?

665
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:52,700
 Good question.

666
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:53,700
 Yes, ma'am.

667
00:38:53,700 --> 00:39:01,940
 So when I go into the UNT campus during the regular semester, there's tons of bikes.

668
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:05,660
 And so I'm curious if you have-- I mean, a lot of times students bring bikes and then

669
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:07,260
 they don't ride them.

670
00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:10,220
 Do you have an average of the number of bike commuters?

671
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:16,580
 And also, do you do anything to promote safety while riding a bike on the streets?

672
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:18,400
 Yes and yes.

673
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,620
 So I don't have the actual number of commuters.

674
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:26,860
 We bike and pedestrian and bicycle activities are under our purview.

675
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:32,340
 A couple things I will share with you is we have a bike committee that meets regularly.

676
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:36,660
 And that's open to whomever would like to be there.

677
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:42,660
 But we usually meet a few times in the fall and the spring, take the summer off, to help

678
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:50,740
 strategize not only just bicycle-centric issues, but we have also folks who share pedestrian

679
00:39:50,740 --> 00:39:53,540
 concerns because of the shared pathways in the bike.

680
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:57,260
 So I think we have a good cross-section of folks.

681
00:39:57,260 --> 00:40:01,900
 Last year, 2017 now, we were recognized as a bike-friendly university.

682
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,540
 So that is a first step for us.

683
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:05,700
 So I think there's a lot that we're doing.

684
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:07,540
 VO Ride's been a new one for us.

685
00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:12,380
 We did a pilot program in partnership with the city this last year.

686
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:18,700
 The lifecycle of the bike, and I'll keep it brief here, is everybody gets excited to go

687
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:23,340
 to college, parents buy them a bike, and it goes out to this rack and it sits there in

688
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:28,260
 the sun and the rain and the wind, and it's a very sad tale, and at the end of the year,

689
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:33,000
 the tires are flat and pieces are missing, and it's chained up.

690
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,620
 And then in June, after commencements, so just after our mobility committee meeting,

691
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:44,020
 we go through and put little tags on all the bikes, little yellow tags.

692
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:47,960
 And after two weeks, those that still have tags, we cut the locks and collect those.

693
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,820
 And we keep those bikes until about the first two weeks of school, when invariably somebody

694
00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:55,860
 comes back and says, "Oh, where'd my little bike go?"

695
00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,100
 And it's a black Schwinn, and it's, "Oh, my goodness."

696
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,900
 So we've got piles of them.

697
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:07,500
 I will tell you anecdotally, this year, that number looks to be about half what it normally

698
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:08,500
 was.

699
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:12,380
 I attribute that to the bike share, because part of our messaging was, "Please don't bring

700
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:13,380
 a bike."

701
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:14,380
 It's a very sad tale.

702
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:16,380
 I'm a bike rider, okay?

703
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:18,060
 I ride during lunch.

704
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,920
 It's a sad tale.

705
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,140
 We see a lot of sad equipment.

706
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:23,300
 Don't bring it.

707
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:29,220
 Instead, part of your transportation fee, we buy down the monthly or annual rate on

708
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:31,380
 the VeoRide subscription.

709
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:34,660
 And then you've got a bike when you need it, where you need it.

710
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:36,600
 And when you're done with it, you're done with it.

711
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:42,380
 So anecdotally, this year, it looks to be about half the number of bikes that we seem

712
00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:43,380
 to collect.

713
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:44,380
 And that's a good trend.

714
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:48,660
 So we're getting ready here in July now to start collecting.

715
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:51,860
 So probably next week, we'll start the collection after the holiday.

716
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:54,580
 And so then I'll be able to tell you how many that is.

717
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:56,140
 But encouraging news.

718
00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:04,300
 So tell me what you do to help students understand how to ride safely on the streets.

719
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,500
 So we have two league-certified instructors on campus.

720
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:11,700
 Usually during first flight week, they will hold -- that's one of the -- first flight

721
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,260
 is we're all incoming freshmen.

722
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:17,640
 It's like a week-long conference, and there's different tracks, and they get to pick things

723
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,660
 that are important to them.

724
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:23,480
 We added a DCTA bus ride this last year that was very popular.

725
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,940
 But one of those is some bike safety.

726
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:32,140
 And there are some one-off events throughout the year in partnership with SGA or some others

727
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:37,980
 to help do some cycling events, maybe some preventive maintenance, how to change a tire,

728
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:38,980
 things like that.

729
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:41,940
 And so that's, again, through our committee, that we do that.

730
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:47,900
 We'd like to establish a more permanent kind of a storefront, if you will, on campus.

731
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:51,300
 So if folks have any kind of bike question, they know where to go.

732
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,620
 Right now, it's -- you know, there's a number of bike shops in town, and I'm not saying

733
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:55,620
 we have to run that.

734
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:59,380
 We'd like to partner with someone so that there's at least a front there where folks

735
00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,300
 know, "Hey, I can go here for some direction."

736
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,260
 And I think it's about, again, reaching out to the community and let them know that, you

737
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:09,500
 know, "Yeah, we're the parking people, but we're also the bicycle people, and we can

738
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:10,500
 help you.

739
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:11,500
 We can help you with that."

740
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:17,580
 So a lot of folks, again, they don't -- we do a lot of communicating, but it still, to

741
00:43:17,580 --> 00:43:22,540
 this day, impresses me how much more we have to go to make sure, you know, people -- I

742
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:23,540
 didn't know that.

743
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:27,860
 Do you know we do jump starts, we put air in your tire, and we put some gas in your

744
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:29,660
 car if you run out of gas.

745
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:31,020
 Most people go, "I have no idea."

746
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:33,820
 Well, these are good things that we do, and we advertise that.

747
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:35,620
 It's just how do we find that message.

748
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:37,840
 So I think there's some good news on the bike front.

749
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,500
 More to come, and that's something we work with Mark on a whole lot.

750
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,660
 We'd like to work with the city on that.

751
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:48,940
 One of our goals -- we renew our bike-friendly status in 2021.

752
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:53,060
 We'd like to maintain, at least move up perhaps to silver, but one of those things is to partner

753
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:55,660
 with the city and help on that front.

754
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:58,840
 We'd like to see y'all become a bike-friendly city.

755
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,900
 So we'd like to help with that as well.

756
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:01,900
 Fantastic.

757
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:02,900
 Thank you.

758
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:03,900
 Yes, sir.

759
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:12,380
 When people come in, and they can ride Discovery and all that stuff, is that just for the students

760
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,980
 or is that for anybody?

761
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:14,980
 It's for anybody.

762
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:15,980
 Okay.

763
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:16,980
 Yep.

764
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:17,980
 Campus buses are open to the public.

765
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:18,980
 Okay.

766
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:20,300
 So, you know, and it's always been that way.

767
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,260
 In fact, it was just in the newspaper.

768
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,180
 It didn't record Chronicle.

769
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:25,180
 Can counties ride that?

770
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:26,980
 I wanted to clarify, because it didn't --

771
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:27,980
 No, yeah, you can.

772
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:28,980
 You can.

773
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:29,980
 It's open to the public.

774
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:30,980
 You know, it wasn't like, "Yes, you can."

775
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:31,980
 Yep.

776
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:32,980
 You sure can.

777
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:35,780
 And then they went on to something else.

778
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:40,300
 That's part of the reason we partnered with DCTA, because it's great for the students,

779
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:42,820
 but there's also that benefit for the city folks.

780
00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:43,820
 Okay.

781
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:47,420
 And as the article said, you know, we've got -- it's additional service up and down.

782
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:50,700
 Bonnie Bray, if you're going to Razor Ranch or whatnot, it's more bus service than you

783
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:51,700
 would otherwise have.

784
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:53,700
 So it would come on.

785
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:54,700
 Okay.

786
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:55,700
 Okay.

787
00:44:55,700 --> 00:45:00,780
 One of the parking problems that we have with the 35-foot buses, and this gets into the

788
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:07,860
 enforcement with the cars, you know, you're supposed to be so many feet away from the

789
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:08,860
 curb.

790
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:09,860
 Yep.

791
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:15,980
 There's always -- it's the same car, all semester, who parks in the last spot, and you can't

792
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:16,980
 make that turn.

793
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:24,220
 And most of our accidents out there are with stationary objects, parks, you know, parking.

794
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:33,180
 So they used to -- in the old days, they used to boot them, but, you know, I don't know.

795
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:37,460
 So we're towing now rather than booting, and that's part of what was in the presentation.

796
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:40,020
 We put a green sticker on it that says, "Please call me.

797
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:41,020
 I'm serious.

798
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:42,980
 Please don't ignore me."

799
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:46,740
 And if you don't, after 48 hours, we tow your car.

800
00:45:46,740 --> 00:45:49,660
 What I would say, Jim, in that, there are a number of streets where we partner with

801
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:51,920
 the city to enforce.

802
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:58,180
 Some of that is free city parking, some of it is permitted parking.

803
00:45:58,180 --> 00:46:03,100
 All of the streets that we enforce, we periodically go through and re-stripe, and that is generally

804
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:07,220
 a striping plan that goes through the city and is routed for approvals, and then we have

805
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:09,500
 a contract to come out and stripe that.

806
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,500
 Central Avenue is one we did a couple of years ago.

807
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:17,860
 So from Maple or Eagle all the way to Highland Street, it is striped.

808
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:24,700
 It has helped that street tremendously, clean up, people know where to park, it's very clear,

809
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:30,780
 it's very easy to enforce, and that crowding situation no longer exists there.

810
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:35,060
 And you always get the people that they think they're a small car, they can squeeze in.

811
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:38,900
 I'm over the line instead of doing the line.

812
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,420
 But we do enforce.

813
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:45,140
 Those ones that you have a concern on, share with your dispatch, have them send it to us.

814
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:46,340
 We'll go out there and find out who they are.

815
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:50,140
 If it's not a street I enforce on, then I can work, you know, maybe work with the folks

816
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:52,940
 at the city to say, you know, what can we do?

817
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:57,740
 But most of the streets, not knowing which in particular, we've got some sort of a partnership

818
00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:01,060
 with, and we'll go out and find out who those folks are.

819
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:03,340
 But you're the eyes and ears out there.

820
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:04,340
 Share that with dispatch.

821
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:08,140
 If you're going to have my card, if you want to share that with me, I'll send folks out

822
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:10,500
 there and find out who they are.

823
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,700
 And then we'll have a conversation with them, and hopefully we'll get them where they go.

824
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:17,940
 And if it's an area where we need to restripe, we're starting that.

825
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:20,340
 I mean, we've got some work coming up here in July.

826
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:24,740
 Are you on board with the new thing, going down Hickory and taking the right on Welch

827
00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:25,740
 for discovery?

828
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:32,700
 Because the Avenue A is going to be one way out.

829
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:38,700
 Going down Hickory on Welch, oh, for Avenue A going one way?

830
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:43,100
 You know, I think it's a compromise.

831
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:48,040
 I think the university, and when I talk to students, and I can't speak for the university,

832
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:56,100
 but for the department, for the students, it was to stay with the city by plan as approved.

833
00:47:56,100 --> 00:48:01,980
 I think this is a compromise that helps with that.

834
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:07,620
 It removes the loading zone parking and makes angled parking, so that's going to be an interesting

835
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:08,620
 issue for the businesses.

836
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:12,740
 I just had a conversation this morning about that.

837
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:13,880
 But we'll see.

838
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,500
 We enforced that area through partnership with the city, so I'm happy to share with what

839
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:24,780
 I learn and come back to you and let you know what that looks like.

840
00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:26,300
 I'm an optimist, Jim.

841
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:32,780
 I think that we'll give this a go and see how it works.

842
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:37,300
 Time will tell exactly what happens, but I'd like to take the positive approach on it.

843
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:44,740
 It maintains the bicycle lane through Hickory, which I think is important, and as a bike

844
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:47,300
 rider, you know, I know what that means.

845
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:52,660
 If I go on my bike ride, I go from the Highland Street garage to Eagle and I get on that bike

846
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:53,660
 lane.

847
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:54,660
 It's great.

848
00:48:54,660 --> 00:49:00,260
 I don't have to make a bunch of strange maneuvers and detours to get where I'm going.

849
00:49:00,260 --> 00:49:01,260
 It really is great.

850
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:04,340
 I think you'll see the same thing on Highland Street.

851
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:09,620
 I think the connection from Bonnie Bray to Carroll is important, but being respectful

852
00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:14,340
 of some of the businesses in that, I think it's a compromise, and I want to see how that

853
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:15,340
 works out.

854
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:16,340
 And then we'll have data.

855
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:17,340
 We'll know.

856
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:20,100
 And then we can make an informed decision on, was this a good thing?

857
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:21,540
 Do we need to tweak it?

858
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:23,220
 What did we not anticipate?

859
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:27,780
 And so that's my non-answer for you.

860
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,860
 Well, you might look at a long time ago.

861
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:34,580
 We used to go down to Bernard and take a right.

862
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:39,700
 You might look at that because that right turn onto Welsh, Pre-Tam already said that

863
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:44,380
 he would have to redo the corner so he could roll over.

864
00:49:44,380 --> 00:49:48,420
 So I would say, you know, Jim, those things there, as you've shared that, if you have

865
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:52,660
 shared that, if you have some ideas you'd like me to go take a look at, me and my staff,

866
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:53,660
 I'm happy to do it.

867
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:54,660
 Share that with me.

868
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:55,660
 I'll leave you my card.

869
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:59,140
 And certainly, you know, we appreciate what you're doing out there, what the folks are

870
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:03,420
 doing to get our students around, and, you know, we want to help facilitate that.

871
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:09,020
 And I think we have a good dialogue with DCTA at this time in terms of some of the capital

872
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:10,020
 work.

873
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:13,380
 And as we get out in the city streets, we'll engage the city with that.

874
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:18,100
 But the university and the city leadership, they meet, the senior leadership meets about

875
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,100
 once a quarter.

876
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:24,300
 Periodically, I get invited to that because transportation seems to come up a lot.

877
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:29,460
 And those are good conversations where I think partnerships are being strengthened.

878
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:34,420
 And I've seen a number of, you know, from crosswalks to pedestrian yield signs go up

879
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:35,860
 that are done at that meeting.

880
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:40,460
 It's, we can do this, we'll pay for this, or we'll pay for that, and I'm seeing some

881
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,460
 things.

882
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:46,540
 So I think, you know, it's why Stan is here tonight, as we start planning on what do things

883
00:50:46,540 --> 00:50:52,740
 look like in and around the campus, we can be partners in that so it's not just somebody

884
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:53,740
 else's problem.

885
00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:58,300
 We're all in this together, and we want to be a part of that solution as well.

886
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,820
 Well, I'm starting to see some synergy.

887
00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:01,820
 Good.

888
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:02,820
 Good.

889
00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:03,820
 Glad to hear that.

890
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:04,820
 Clay?

891
00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:12,060
 As you move parking out toward the perimeter, how will that impact disability access to

892
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:13,780
 the interior of campus?

893
00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:19,540
 So that is an issue to take a look at.

894
00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:26,220
 I think in terms of where folks are ambulating or if they're ambulating, if it's a mobility

895
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:30,380
 aid that's helping folks get around, I think we kind of need to take a look at where they're

896
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:32,300
 at, where they're going.

897
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,660
 Of course, the buildings are accessible.

898
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:40,700
 We provide the buses which are all accessible to help you, you know, that would be the preferred

899
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:46,740
 is you use the resource that's there.

900
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,180
 Just depending on what that looks like, I think you have to look at other contingencies.

901
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:58,980
 Do you look at a paratransit type solution for campus that's maybe for special needs

902
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:02,860
 that, hey, here's the special needs lot?

903
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:07,220
 And the reason, this is a good question, because most folks don't realize that when you look

904
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:16,300
 at the regulations for accessible parking, that's on a general public kind of perspective,

905
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:21,260
 but the university has a larger disproportionate amount of folks with special needs.

906
00:52:21,260 --> 00:52:28,500
 So there are more folks that need those services than are required.

907
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,320
 So we have to take a look at if that's an issue.

908
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,860
 So part of how we handle that is we have a transportation advisory committee meeting

909
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:39,380
 that advises us.

910
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:40,380
 That is represented.

911
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:44,960
 We've got some folks from the faculty senate, staff senate.

912
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,580
 We do work with the office of disability access, so if students are vocalizing some issues,

913
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:57,340
 you know, DCTA, again, has been a great partner to come out and help us educate our students

914
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:01,420
 on what resources are available to them.

915
00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:07,100
 So I think as we move further out, the plan is to backfill with transportation.

916
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:11,920
 So that, yes, you're going further out, but we're going to get you some transportation

917
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,860
 so that you can get in, and that's part of the plan.

918
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:17,660
 You don't just go way out, and then there's nothing for you.

919
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:22,820
 It's trying to put stuff out there where there is a transportation link, and that is accessible.

920
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:29,300
 However, I think we need to take a look at individual areas of needs, and what does that

921
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:30,300
 mean?

922
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:34,540
 And there's pockets on campus that I think that kind of approach we need to take a look

923
00:53:34,540 --> 00:53:35,540
 at.

924
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:38,540
 >> That's what I was just thinking of, because there are pockets that are over by my building.

925
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:39,540
 >> And where are you at?

926
00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:40,540
 >> I'm in the auditorium building.

927
00:53:40,540 --> 00:53:41,540
 >> Okay.

928
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:46,100
 >> And I know there are some pockets right over there that, you know, in my opinion,

929
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:52,660
 they should remain and should remain handicapped parking, because as they are now, which it's,

930
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:58,780
 you know, super helpful for anybody who needs that kind of proximity to that quadrant, at

931
00:53:58,780 --> 00:53:59,780
 least, of campus.

932
00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:04,700
 And I'm sure that's true in the other three quadrants of campus as well, that there are

933
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:06,300
 little places where those things can remain.

934
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:07,300
 >> We do.

935
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:08,300
 We do.

936
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:14,140
 But as we go forward today, again, we are, we want to begin this dialogue, so, and some

937
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:21,020
 of this may focus our planning efforts in where we take a look at studies, what are

938
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:24,060
 needs, and I need to hear from that whole community, so.

939
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:27,460
 >> Anyone have anything else?

940
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:30,100
 Any other questions?

941
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,860
 We're getting cards just in case we have more.

942
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:32,860
 >> Yeah, I got cards.

943
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:33,860
 >> Yeah.

944
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:34,860
 >> I got cards.

945
00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:35,860
 And again, that offer's there.

946
00:54:35,860 --> 00:54:37,860
 You don't want to come out to campus and see what's going on.

947
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:38,860
 You'll be my guest.

948
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:39,860
 I'll pay for your parking.

949
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:45,460
 And I got 950 of them in the garage, so, you know, don't be shy.

950
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:46,460
 Come on out.

951
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:47,460
 I'll be happy to show you what's going on.

952
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:51,800
 I think, you know, we have a lot of exciting things going on, some new residence halls.

953
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,580
 All these things that have impacted parking are good things.

954
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:57,460
 And I think sometimes we back up, you know, the tour center just opened.

955
00:54:57,460 --> 00:54:59,180
 I don't know if any of you have been there.

956
00:54:59,180 --> 00:55:03,020
 But I hear from current students, they say that building means nothing to me.

957
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:06,260
 Yeah, but it will add value to your degree.

958
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:08,380
 It will perpetuate.

959
00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:14,220
 And there's things that, you know, when I graduated, we won't say when, that, you know,

960
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:17,180
 where I went to school, that it still adds value to this day.

961
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:21,060
 So these are things that add value.

962
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:26,540
 And it's been a rough probably four or five years with campus construction.

963
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:27,660
 That is slowing.

964
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:31,220
 We've got the Fouts project that should be wrapped up here in the next couple of months.

965
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:33,020
 And we've got a retail dining establishment.

966
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:35,080
 I think that's about it.

967
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,180
 That's it for the big stuff.

968
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:40,540
 So it's been going since about 2013, 2014.

969
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:44,220
 So that's a good long stretch of turning a lot of dirt.

970
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:50,020
 So I think we'll enter a phase where we can really stabilize some things and get to a

971
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:53,620
 more normal, such that we can.

972
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:54,620
 So yeah.

973
00:55:54,620 --> 00:56:01,140
 I also think you gave us some good information, some good talking points with the neighborhoods.

974
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:02,140
 Yes.

975
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:06,740
 Which we all know that can be loud.

976
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:07,740
 Yes.

977
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:08,740
 And I'm sensitive to that.

978
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:13,700
 You gave us some good information to follow up with should we get any questions.

979
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:15,580
 And I'm happy to entertain those folks.

980
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:16,580
 Thank you for that information.

981
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:17,580
 Yes.

982
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:18,580
 You're welcome.

983
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:19,580
 I'll leave these.

984
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:20,580
 Please.

985
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:22,060
 Decide to get a hold of me.

986
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:23,060
 Don't be shy.

987
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:26,340
 And I'm happy to come back and talk as needed.

988
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:31,180
 So you know, this is, I hope it's more frequent than the last time, but we are a resource

989
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:32,180
 for you.

990
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:33,180
 So thank you.

991
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:34,180
 All right.

992
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:35,180
 Thank you.

993
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:36,180
 Okay.

994
00:56:36,180 --> 00:56:37,180
 Okay.

995
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:38,180
 Thank you very much.

996
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:39,180
 Thank you.

997
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:40,180
 Thank you.

998
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:41,180
 Thank you.

999
00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:48,180
 Is there anything else with that, Mark?

1000
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:49,180
 Sorry?

1001
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:55,180
 Did you want to say anything else about 1B?

1002
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:58,180
 Oh, concerning that one.

1003
00:56:58,180 --> 00:56:59,180
 No.

1004
00:56:59,180 --> 00:57:00,180
 Concerning that one, no.

1005
00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:01,180
 Okay.

1006
00:57:01,180 --> 00:57:08,500
 That moves us on to 1C, TSC 19-031, which is to receive a report and hold a discussion

1007
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:14,460
 about the scope and general purview of the Committee on Persons with Disabilities associated

1008
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:20,900
 with city transportation projects.

1009
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:21,900
 Thank you so much.

1010
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:27,100
 Mark Oliphant, Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordinator for the city, but I am also the staff liaison

1011
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:32,500
 to the fairly recently created City of Denton Committee on Persons with Disabilities.

1012
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:39,540
 Now, this was created to replace another committee that was in place from about 2007 to 2014.

1013
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:44,020
 And then for some reason, it kind of just went defunct.

1014
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:50,340
 Last fall, some activists came to the City Council and asked that it be reconstituted.

1015
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:57,020
 And so in late October of 2018, it was approved by the City Council.

1016
00:57:57,020 --> 00:58:00,260
 And then we went to work finding representatives and so forth.

1017
00:58:00,260 --> 00:58:02,540
 And we had our first meeting in February.

1018
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:07,300
 So we're about to come up on our six-month anniversary of that committee.

1019
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:08,300
 I think it's exciting.

1020
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:09,300
 It's been doing good things.

1021
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:14,580
 I just want to tell you a little bit about its purview, because I think there's a possibility

1022
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:20,460
 for some things to cross over between this committee and that one.

1023
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:23,220
 And I want you to be aware of that.

1024
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:25,740
 So just a little bit about it.

1025
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:29,700
 It will be the duty of that committee, this is from the ordinance, to advise in those

1026
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:34,700
 areas of committee interest, including but not limited to disability concerns such as

1027
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:39,180
 accessibility and accommodations for City projects and activities.

1028
00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:42,100
 All recommendations shall be made by a majority vote.

1029
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:47,340
 Some specific projects may include construction of new sidewalks, ramps, and crosswalk features,

1030
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:52,860
 replacing and repairing existing sidewalks, ramps, and crosswalk features, the ADA transition

1031
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:58,820
 plan, planning and development of adaptive handicap accessible park facilities, guidance

1032
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:06,420
 on incorporating new signage in City facilities, improvement for new and existing facilities,

1033
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:11,620
 City operations, operations of other entities, and park and recreation adaptive activities.

1034
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:15,220
 So it's not just sticks and bricks or nuts and bolts.

1035
00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:19,900
 This covers lots of different things for disabilities and accessibility.

1036
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:23,860
 And we have a website up that I just want to quickly show you.

1037
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:30,700
 Oh, I'll mention to you we meet on the third Thursday of every month at 6 p.m. typically

1038
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:32,340
 in this room.

1039
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:35,380
 Right now the bond committee is going on so we've had to move a little bit.

1040
00:59:35,380 --> 00:59:36,860
 So just watch the City website.

1041
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:41,020
 We will announce there if you're interested in visiting with us.

1042
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:42,020
 So let's see.

1043
00:59:42,020 --> 00:59:43,620
 Boards, commissions, and committees.

1044
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:44,620
 Okay.

1045
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:46,020
 So we have information about it.

1046
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:50,140
 Right now we have 11 spots and nine of which are filled.

1047
00:59:50,140 --> 00:59:52,300
 We're helping to fill the other ones.

1048
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:53,900
 Here are our representatives.

1049
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:56,940
 This is the City Council member that nominated them.

1050
00:59:56,940 --> 01:00:00,060
 And here are our members.

1051
01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:04,780
 And then we've actually set up something else, kind of neat, a specific web page about this

1052
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:11,660
 committee with some additional information about disabled access, handicap access, Americans

1053
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:13,740
 with Disabilities Act.

1054
01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:17,260
 So over here on the right we have some resources.

1055
01:00:17,260 --> 01:00:21,940
 We have my name listed, so if anyone has questions they can reach out to me.

1056
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:22,940
 Here is our membership.

1057
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:29,380
 And then we also have listed out, the City actually has three people designated as ADA

1058
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:33,180
 coordinators for the City, depending on what sort of topic it has to do with.

1059
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:37,340
 And that is a requirement of the Americans with Disabilities Act, that there be a central

1060
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:40,220
 point of contact for that.

1061
01:00:40,220 --> 01:00:43,940
 So that's just a quick overview of it.

1062
01:00:43,940 --> 01:00:46,140
 We've had some great presentations so far.

1063
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:54,500
 DCTA has come, we've talked about the ongoing ADA transition plan, there's some other things.

1064
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:59,060
 Volunteering in the City is a topic we've talked about, because that's of interest.

1065
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,820
 The members of the committee really want to make sure that the volunteer opportunities

1066
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:08,880
 in the City are open to those who are on, you know, the spectrum of abilities, all different

1067
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,540
 sorts of residents of Denton.

1068
01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:15,980
 So yeah, that is my brief explanation of that.

1069
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:22,500
 And I would be happy to entertain any questions that you might have.

1070
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:29,620
 Is there a central point when people are, you know, walking through the streets and

1071
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:38,740
 they see some place that is non-compliant, is there a central point where they can put

1072
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:43,100
 in this, you know, request for somebody to go take a look at compliance?

1073
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:44,100
 Uh-huh.

1074
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:46,100
 Well, in the EngageDenton app, actually.

1075
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:47,100
 Okay, that's what I was wondering.

1076
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:48,100
 I was just looking at it.

1077
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:51,940
 If you go in there, we have added an extra category, and that was actually the suggestion

1078
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:52,940
 of the committee.

1079
01:01:52,940 --> 01:01:53,940
 Okay.

1080
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:54,940
 Good.

1081
01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:55,940
 So we're taking actions already, things they've suggested.

1082
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:56,940
 Yeah, EngageDenton app.

1083
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:57,940
 All right.

1084
01:01:57,940 --> 01:01:58,940
 Perfect.

1085
01:01:58,940 --> 01:01:59,940
 Perfect.

1086
01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:04,780
 Is there any chance that you might add additional material to the website?

1087
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:06,020
 Oh, yes.

1088
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:08,540
 Other than Department of Justice?

1089
01:02:08,540 --> 01:02:10,380
 You know, this sort of thing is ongoing.

1090
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:11,380
 Yeah.

1091
01:02:11,380 --> 01:02:15,540
 I mean, that was just our start of our website.

1092
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:16,540
 Yeah.

1093
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:18,700
 But all of those links go to DOJ.

1094
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:19,700
 Okay.

1095
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:23,340
 Do you have a, like, is there any certain website?

1096
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:25,340
 No, just a little more.

1097
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:26,340
 Just wondering.

1098
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:27,340
 Okay.

1099
01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:28,340
 Absolutely.

1100
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:29,340
 We can, yeah.

1101
01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:34,140
 Because there might be some that we might want to look at that have maybe a little bit

1102
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:35,140
 more user-friendly.

1103
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:36,140
 Okay.

1104
01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:37,140
 Yeah.

1105
01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:43,340
 So the Department of Justice website is, it's very business-oriented, but it is also, that

1106
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:49,580
 is the ultimate authority on the ADA, so we really like to refer back to that source.

1107
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:54,140
 But maybe I should write a letter to them and say, "Hey, let's get a little more lively

1108
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:57,140
 content on your website."

1109
01:02:57,140 --> 01:03:04,140
 Anybody else have any questions, comments?

1110
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:08,340
 I have one.

1111
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:10,540
 Before you step down, I'd like to acknowledge Mark.

1112
01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:15,940
 He was just certified as a League Cycling Instructor pursuant to your comment earlier

1113
01:03:15,940 --> 01:03:18,840
 about device safety.

1114
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:19,840
 Great resource.

1115
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:20,840
 Go Mark.

1116
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,620
 As was Melissa in the same class.

1117
01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:26,620
 Thank you.

1118
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:27,620
 All right.

1119
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:28,620
 Thank you.

1120
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:29,620
 Okay.

1121
01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:42,220
 That moves us to item number 1D, TSC 19-032, which is to receive a report, hold a discussion,

1122
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:47,300
 and on this one, make a recommendation to City Council to relocate the school zone on

1123
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:50,780
 Pocras Page Road for Pecan Creek Elementary.

1124
01:03:50,780 --> 01:03:53,060
 Good afternoon.

1125
01:03:53,060 --> 01:03:57,520
 I am Pamela Mutul, Traffic Engineer for the City of Denton.

1126
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:04,060
 And today, we wanted to bring up an existing school zone for Pecan Creek Elementary.

1127
01:04:04,060 --> 01:04:15,420
 Currently, it is on Pocras Page near Waterlily Way, right here, and we are recommending to

1128
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:25,660
 relocate it east, closer to the elementary school, to Posto Boulevard.

1129
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:30,580
 This review and recommendation was initiated by the police department because they're

1130
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:37,000
 working on the crossing, they managed the crossing guard program, and they're planning

1131
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,060
 for the next school year.

1132
01:04:39,060 --> 01:04:46,940
 So currently, they are wrapping up the development for these residential homes, just east of

1133
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:56,500
 existing homes, and part of that development, they've connected the sidewalk all the way

1134
01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:04,820
 east to Posto on the north side of Pocras Page, and part of that construction, so it

1135
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:12,620
 goes up to here to Posto, just west, and they included a ramp right here.

1136
01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:21,660
 So I worked with the city, and we included another ramp on the south to connect, to allow

1137
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:27,380
 connectivity to the south of Pocras Page.

1138
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:32,380
 So currently, it's under construction, and they started on the east side, and they're

1139
01:05:32,380 --> 01:05:38,060
 working west, and after speaking with the project manager, this should be wrapped up

1140
01:05:38,060 --> 01:05:45,780
 by the end of July, and that's why we are presenting this to you today, to receive feedback

1141
01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:49,500
 on our recommendation to relocate the school zone.

1142
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:57,460
 So I have some images.

1143
01:05:57,460 --> 01:06:06,260
 So currently, this is the school zone, it's 340 feet near Waterlily Way, and this is protecting

1144
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:15,940
 students crossing north-south on Pocras Page, and this is looking east.

1145
01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:25,500
 So you have your beacon, you have your signage of school crossing nearby, you have this sign

1146
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:33,900
 for people going northbound on Waterlily, and this is looking west, you have your beacon

1147
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:42,300
 on your left side, and another sign saying that you're entering the school zone.

1148
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:48,260
 So in blue, you have your existing route, anyone living on the north, they walk on the

1149
01:06:48,260 --> 01:06:56,220
 north side, they cross near Waterlily Way, and then continue their path along south portion

1150
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:58,960
 of Pocras Page all the way to the school.

1151
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,580
 So what we're proposing, since the sidewalk is going to tie into the existing, at this

1152
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:16,220
 point, is to encourage the students to continue the north path up to this point, cross south

1153
01:07:16,220 --> 01:07:27,220
 on Pocras Page at Post Oak, and then continue their route to the school.

1154
01:07:27,220 --> 01:07:35,900
 So what we're proposing is for the proposed school zone at Post Oak, from this crosswalk

1155
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:50,580
 to go 220 feet each direction, so a total of 440 feet, and so part of this, if the commission

1156
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:56,900
 recommends this take place, we would relocate all of the infrastructure, so the beacons,

1157
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:58,340
 all the signage.

1158
01:07:58,340 --> 01:08:07,300
 We would install a crosswalk here on Pocras Page to connect the two ramps being installed,

1159
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:13,820
 and we would actually remove the previous crosswalk to not encourage students to cross

1160
01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:19,500
 at an unprotected crosswalk during the school hours.

1161
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:27,060
 That's what I have for today, any questions?

1162
01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:30,220
 What's the length of the current school zone?

1163
01:08:30,220 --> 01:08:34,580
 It is 340 feet, so we'd be adding 100 feet.

1164
01:08:34,580 --> 01:08:35,580
 Okay.

1165
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:38,580
 Is that average?

1166
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:44,660
 I haven't checked, but the police department mentioned this is the shortest school zone,

1167
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:45,660
 so it's not average.

1168
01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:54,620
 It's actually on the lower end.

1169
01:08:54,620 --> 01:09:02,820
 Why would we take the protected parking from the original, why would you do that?

1170
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:08,580
 Over time maybe, but right now everybody's so used to crossing there, so you want to

1171
01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:14,940
 be protected on both ends, so that way, you know, if it's there, and they're still able

1172
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:19,860
 to use it, you know, it's just a matter of just extending it, leaving that sign there,

1173
01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:25,740
 and then extending it, put your other sign at the other end.

1174
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:27,500
 So let me field that one.

1175
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:29,180
 Can you zoom out just a little bit?

1176
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:30,180
 Okay.

1177
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:36,020
 So the predominant movement from the neighborhoods on to Pocras Page is they come out and they

1178
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:41,900
 turn left, and so because that sidewalk is extended, ultimately we want the sidewalk

1179
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:44,140
 to extend to the school on both sides.

1180
01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:46,820
 So they don't have to cross the road.

1181
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:51,020
 The logic in extending, well, since they are extending the sidewalk, the logic in moving

1182
01:09:51,020 --> 01:09:56,260
 that school zone is that we put them, again, they're crossing against a lower and lower

1183
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:57,260
 volume.

1184
01:09:57,260 --> 01:09:59,540
 The volume on Pocras Page gets lower and lower as you get to the school, because the road

1185
01:09:59,540 --> 01:10:01,340
 kind of ends at the school.

1186
01:10:01,340 --> 01:10:03,180
 So it's only school traffic.

1187
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:08,420
 They don't have to deal with the traffic coming out of any of these other neighborhoods, and

1188
01:10:08,420 --> 01:10:12,260
 if we could, and I got here late, but if we could, we would probably push the crosswalk

1189
01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:16,340
 to the other side of Post Oak, because people come out of Post Oak and turn left.

1190
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:19,820
 We're just trying to minimize the number of vehicles that the kids have to cross.

1191
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:23,900
 Keep them on the sidewalk as long as we can, and again, ultimately, they want to take them

1192
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:27,380
 all the way to the school, but keep them on the sidewalk and cross them against the fewest

1193
01:10:27,380 --> 01:10:28,380
 number of vehicles.

1194
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:29,380
 That's why we're doing that.

1195
01:10:29,380 --> 01:10:30,380
 Oh, okay.

1196
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:37,620
 I guess in my head I was thinking, kids live there for so long, they're so used to walking

1197
01:10:37,620 --> 01:10:43,300
 out with their friends, they're so used to walking out with this friend, it's a top-of-the-top

1198
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:44,300
 turnoff point.

1199
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:47,300
 You turn here, then we cross here, then we go home.

1200
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:51,660
 We're going to push for this too, if it's approved and adopted.

1201
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:58,180
 We will push for it to start before the fall semester, or before the school year starts,

1202
01:10:58,180 --> 01:11:00,700
 but if we cannot, then we'll have that discussion.

1203
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:06,420
 If we want to wait for the Christmas break and transition then, we definitely don't want

1204
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:09,700
 to confuse the students when they start the school year.

1205
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:12,260
 When I got out of school, it was one way.

1206
01:11:12,260 --> 01:11:17,700
 Then they're going back to school, and then they always say, "Oh, we cross here."

1207
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:22,900
 Then everybody that's riding down the street has always said, "We slow down here," because

1208
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:26,180
 I know exactly what this road is.

1209
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:30,020
 We'll work with the school for some public outreach, so they'll send it over home with

1210
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:34,740
 the kids and the parents, and they'll have contact if they're like the schools I'm used

1211
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:35,740
 to.

1212
01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:38,180
 We work with the parents prior to the first day of school.

1213
01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:40,100
 They know who they are.

1214
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:45,860
 If we move before school starts, we'll do that public outreach campaign, or if we have

1215
01:11:45,860 --> 01:11:50,220
 to wait until school is in session, we may not have to wait until Christmas, but that

1216
01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:55,340
 gives us even more of an opportunity to tell the students that, "Hey, we're making a change."

1217
01:11:55,340 --> 01:11:59,100
 Stay on your side of the street until you get to the school zone.

1218
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,660
 This zone does have a crossing guard, so that again helps a lot.

1219
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:06,900
 Keep walking until you see the guard that you've always walked to, and she'll get you

1220
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:10,180
 or he'll get you across the street.

1221
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:14,100
 Part of it is a learning curve, but I think we're moving in the right direction, and we

1222
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:19,140
 want to take advantage of that sidewalk and move those kids to crossing the least number

1223
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:21,380
 of vehicles that they can.

1224
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:26,820
 Currently, there's a crossing guard here at Water Lily, and there's one at Postoak, and

1225
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:33,180
 I did confirm with PD, and they will keep the one on Postoak, so there will be two crossing

1226
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:37,300
 guards.

1227
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:43,740
 They mentioned how during pickup, the car pull does extend past Postoak, so this crossing

1228
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:53,660
 guard will be assisting the students cross and making sure it's safe.

1229
01:12:53,660 --> 01:13:02,540
 What is preventing continuation of the sidewalk, and when might that be resolved?

1230
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:06,460
 From my understanding, it's the development.

1231
01:13:06,460 --> 01:13:14,780
 There are limits of construction, and so there are plans to eventually widen Postoak and

1232
01:13:14,780 --> 01:13:21,780
 connect to the north, but we currently are not aware of a timeline, and I believe there's

1233
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:33,700
 some drainage issues in this area, from my understanding.

1234
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:39,980
 Denton seems to like to build sidewalks that end.

1235
01:13:39,980 --> 01:13:40,980
 Yes.

1236
01:13:40,980 --> 01:13:43,460
 Let me respond to that.

1237
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:48,300
 Typically we'll wait until development occurs on vacant property, and they will construct

1238
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:51,380
 the sidewalk as required by ordinance.

1239
01:13:51,380 --> 01:13:59,980
 We have a sidewalk program, and we're about to embark, well, we're going to begin to develop

1240
01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:06,220
 our safe route to school program in full force, so that we can identify using those sidewalk

1241
01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:09,460
 bond funds to target areas like this.

1242
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:15,580
 You can see there's some existing single family or residential towards the east.

1243
01:14:15,580 --> 01:14:18,660
 That sidewalk just isn't going to be built until a roadway is reconstructed, so we may

1244
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:22,660
 come in as a city and say we're going to extend this.

1245
01:14:22,660 --> 01:14:26,420
 These are the kind of projects that we're looking for as part of the safe route to school

1246
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:29,580
 or even as part of the sidewalk bond program.

1247
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:30,860
 There's funding available.

1248
01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:32,820
 There's more funding being talked about.

1249
01:14:32,820 --> 01:14:40,020
 Todd Estes is putting together a bond package for this fall, and the numbers I've seen

1250
01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:45,300
 are 10 to 12 million for sidewalks, so we'll have a little bit deeper pocket to target

1251
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:52,540
 areas like this, either around schools or other facilities that have either a high pedestrian

1252
01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:59,300
 volume or high potential for pedestrian volume, and these infill pieces, we can accomplish.

1253
01:14:59,300 --> 01:15:00,460
 Jeff.

1254
01:15:00,460 --> 01:15:05,220
 What's the speed limit on that road?

1255
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:06,780
 I believe it's 30.

1256
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:14,620
 I checked that, and I believe it's 30 miles an hour.

1257
01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:17,900
 Any other questions?

1258
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:19,620
 Okay.

1259
01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:28,580
 Our job is to make a recommendation to city council to go with staff suggestion regarding

1260
01:15:28,580 --> 01:15:31,380
 this crosswalk or this school zone.

1261
01:15:31,380 --> 01:15:35,300
 I move that we go with staff suggestion.

1262
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:36,300
 I second that.

1263
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:38,500
 A motion for approval and a second.

1264
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:39,500
 Everyone in favor?

1265
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:40,500
 Aye.

1266
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:41,500
 Aye.

1267
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:42,500
 Opposed?

1268
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:43,500
 Excellent.

1269
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:45,860
 And we'll be moving that on to council then.

1270
01:15:45,860 --> 01:15:46,860
 Thank you.

1271
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:49,500
 Thank you.

1272
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:51,740
 Okay.

1273
01:15:51,740 --> 01:16:00,500
 That brings us to item 1E, TSC 19-033, which is to receive report hold discussion regarding

1274
01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:05,060
 Article 3 of the city code, which governs boards, commissions, and committees, and vote

1275
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:10,780
 on the absence report code for Daniel Krutka.

1276
01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:14,740
 Do we have backup?

1277
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:37,340
 Because I don't have my backup with me.

1278
01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:55,660
 I will find you for you, I promise.

1279
01:16:55,660 --> 01:17:11,420
 And here, do you want the article?

1280
01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:23,580
 It didn't do it, did it?

1281
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:43,300
 Okay, so what we need to do today is to take a look at the ordinance, what do we call that,

1282
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:57,060
 Article 3, that discusses the number of allowable absences for a member on boards and commissions.

1283
01:17:57,060 --> 01:18:08,620
 And so, if you had a chance, take a look at where is the number of, okay, there we go.

1284
01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:14,100
 So on this one, under, you know, quorum is obvious, and voting required, no attending

1285
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:19,140
 member of the board shall be excused or shall abstain for voting, on which a vote is called

1286
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:27,300
 or required, and is it under C, number of absences, there we go.

1287
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:32,700
 So unexcused absence of any board, commission, or committee member of more than three regularly

1288
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:36,060
 called and scheduled meetings of the board's commission or committee, of which he or she

1289
01:18:36,060 --> 01:18:43,220
 is a member in any one year or lack of attendance at 50% of the number of regular meetings should

1290
01:18:43,220 --> 01:18:51,020
 be considered cause for removal by the city council from such board, commission, or committee.

1291
01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:59,020
 There are excused absences, of course, and those are all delineated through here, but

1292
01:18:59,020 --> 01:19:12,980
 the absence report here, exhibit number 3, let's see, hmm, I don't know, there we go.

1293
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:24,900
 We have, so it's, there we go, we have Dan Kretka's absences.

1294
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:29,300
 Do we have a number of accrued absences?

1295
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:51,460
 Okay, since we've started counting, okay, this is, okay, okay, okay, so I guess my question

1296
01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:55,020
 is are we going to consider tonight an absence?

1297
01:19:55,020 --> 01:20:08,940
 Okay, so this is a whole new thing for us, to need to look at a member's absences and

1298
01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:15,580
 decide whether effectively they are excused or unexcused, really, am I right?

1299
01:20:15,580 --> 01:20:21,940
 And so, you know, Dan sent a note that he was, of course, going to be missing June and

1300
01:20:21,940 --> 01:20:33,620
 July because of traveling, and there it is.

1301
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:40,300
 So our question will be, while we're, if we're now going to start, and this will be something

1302
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:49,200
 apparently moving forward, that we will be more, you know, careful about counting absences,

1303
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:54,620
 making certain that people who have made the commitment to serve on the board and commission

1304
01:20:54,620 --> 01:21:02,300
 are serving on the board and commission unless there are, you know, reasons that are unavoidable

1305
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:05,060
 for, you know, the person to miss.

1306
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:15,100
 And so this is the first time that we're looking at this, as whether we will, as a group, excuse

1307
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:22,620
 Vice Chair Krittka's absences for June and for July, or whether we will begin to count

1308
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:29,220
 these two absences as counting against him in his three absences.

1309
01:21:29,220 --> 01:21:36,620
 Now at three absences, his appointing City Council member can remove him and appoint

1310
01:21:36,620 --> 01:21:37,620
 somebody else.

1311
01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:40,620
 Have I got that right?

1312
01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:48,300
 I'm looking at Trey because these are illegal.

1313
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:54,300
 True.

1314
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:57,940
 It's something that you as the Chair can put to the board under the way it's written.

1315
01:21:57,940 --> 01:22:03,620
 It doesn't necessarily have to go to the board.

1316
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:07,460
 Test.

1317
01:22:07,460 --> 01:22:12,940
 So effectively under the rules as their state is that the, I think it's quarterly, an attendance

1318
01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:19,100
 report has to go to the City Secretary and three or more unexcused absences will be shown

1319
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,660
 as cause to be removed from the board at that time.

1320
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:30,340
 So yeah.

1321
01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:40,020
 So when we say that I can put it to the board, that's something that we can collectively

1322
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:42,080
 put forward.

1323
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,100
 Legally that would be okay that your decision, the way the code is written is that just the

1324
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:51,360
 Chair decides if the absence is excused or not.

1325
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,980
 So you as the Chair can either make the call or you can put it to the board to make the

1326
01:22:54,980 --> 01:22:55,980
 call.

1327
01:22:55,980 --> 01:22:56,980
 Okay.

1328
01:22:56,980 --> 01:22:57,980
 Okay.

1329
01:22:57,980 --> 01:22:58,980
 Got it.

1330
01:22:58,980 --> 01:22:59,980
 Thank you.

1331
01:22:59,980 --> 01:23:02,980
 It's always good to have legal.

1332
01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:03,980
 Okay.

1333
01:23:03,980 --> 01:23:07,260
 Let me just, I'm just going to say right away that I'm not comfortable making that decision.

1334
01:23:07,260 --> 01:23:13,260
 If I had stepped into this role knowing that this was going to be a decision that I would

1335
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:17,260
 potentially be making in the future, yes, I can make that decision.

1336
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:26,500
 But because this is just a new adherence to protocol that we're looking at, I am happier

1337
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:31,820
 to entertain a discussion from us.

1338
01:23:31,820 --> 01:23:32,820
 All of you.

1339
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:33,820
 Okay.

1340
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:34,820
 We all have questions.

1341
01:23:34,820 --> 01:23:35,820
 Okay.

1342
01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:36,820
 Yeah.

1343
01:23:36,820 --> 01:23:40,940
 We're all going to be either reappointed or go off next month.

1344
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:41,940
 Yes.

1345
01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:46,700
 So why are we talking about this now?

1346
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:52,420
 He may not be here next month or the clock starts again.

1347
01:23:52,420 --> 01:23:53,420
 True.

1348
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:54,420
 True.

1349
01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:55,420
 You're right.

1350
01:23:55,420 --> 01:23:56,420
 You're right.

1351
01:23:56,420 --> 01:24:04,260
 I believe that what we do need to do tonight is to establish this protocol moving forward.

1352
01:24:04,260 --> 01:24:10,140
 And so since we're at that tipping, that point at which we're looking at two absences

1353
01:24:10,140 --> 01:24:15,620
 by a continuing, a current member of the commission, we're going to start, we're going to start

1354
01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:22,020
 now and then, yes, should he be reappointed for a next two-year term, the clock will start

1355
01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:23,140
 again for him.

1356
01:24:23,140 --> 01:24:29,580
 But the protocol will then be in place and we won't have me up here saying, "I don't

1357
01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:31,220
 know nothing about this."

1358
01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:36,100
 Well, but he does this every summer.

1359
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:38,580
 The rule wasn't there.

1360
01:24:38,580 --> 01:24:42,040
 Well, the rule has always been there.

1361
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,100
 We haven't adhered.

1362
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:47,100
 Oh.

1363
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:48,100
 Not just us.

1364
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,100
 Not just us.

1365
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:50,100
 Here's bureaucracy.

1366
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:57,580
 There's been a lack of adherence.

1367
01:24:57,580 --> 01:25:04,140
 But this would be something that we may want to consider.

1368
01:25:04,140 --> 01:25:09,460
 We may want to put out there to our friends and people we may recommend in the future

1369
01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:13,900
 that attendance is expected, that attendance is mandatory.

1370
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:19,140
 And if you know that you are going to be gone for more than three, you know, three times

1371
01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:21,660
 per term that you reconsider.

1372
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:26,620
 Is that three excused and unexcused or just unexcused?

1373
01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:27,620
 Unexcused.

1374
01:25:27,620 --> 01:25:32,100
 It does appear to be precedent set for excused.

1375
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:35,060
 You know, some things are unavoidable.

1376
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:36,060
 Jeff?

1377
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:43,820
 Yeah, I was going to ask, as you were clicking through there, I only saw the criteria briefly

1378
01:25:43,820 --> 01:25:49,140
 as far as what is actually excused, whether it's adhered to or not.

1379
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:50,140
 There we go.

1380
01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:52,800
 As far as the correct -- yeah, exactly.

1381
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,420
 And I just ask because I give an example.

1382
01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:57,940
 Like I had an absence a while back.

1383
01:25:57,940 --> 01:25:59,300
 It's been quite a while.

1384
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:05,860
 Like my daughter was getting -- I mean, I'm sorry, I had a grandson born that same day.

1385
01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:10,020
 And I was up at the hospital till 6 a.m. throughout the evening, et cetera, till 6 a.m. in the

1386
01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:11,020
 morning.

1387
01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:15,700
 I mean, I'm not seeing that under excused, and for me, that would be pretty significant.

1388
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:16,700
 Right.

1389
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:21,820
 And I think that that would loosely fall under illness despite the fact that childbirth is

1390
01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:23,820
 not an illness.

1391
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:31,740
 But I think under a -- under the scrutiny of our commission, I believe you get a pass

1392
01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:32,740
 on that.

1393
01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:33,740
 Okay.

1394
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:35,620
 I mean, what's -- where is he?

1395
01:26:35,620 --> 01:26:36,620
 Why is he absent?

1396
01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:38,620
 Is it way out of that criteria?

1397
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:41,220
 I mean, I don't know the reason why he's gone.

1398
01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:42,220
 Well, yeah.

1399
01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:48,540
 So the excused absence is being personal or family illness or illness, death of a family

1400
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:53,300
 member, jury duty, service in the armed forces, testifying before the legislator attending

1401
01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:57,660
 a seminar involving municipal matters.

1402
01:26:57,660 --> 01:27:08,740
 He alludes in his letter that he will be at conferences potentially that will be related

1403
01:27:08,740 --> 01:27:12,020
 to his profession, not to municipal.

1404
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:20,120
 So in a case in which he were attending a conference that dealt explicitly with traffic

1405
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,700
 safety issues, that's an excused absence.

1406
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:29,820
 When you are off presenting in your particular field, that's not an excused absence.

1407
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:35,380
 But would that be considered as work-related since it's on there?

1408
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:44,020
 If you go back and says excuse for business or employment, that's an excusable absence

1409
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:46,420
 if it's for business or your employment.

1410
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:52,500
 If he's working and he's absent because he has to go to these different places to present

1411
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:59,340
 something, it is work, then that should be an excused absence.

1412
01:27:59,340 --> 01:28:01,660
 That's true.

1413
01:28:01,660 --> 01:28:15,260
 We also, and again, we would have to decide how stringently we want to apply evidence.

1414
01:28:15,260 --> 01:28:20,460
 When I go to a conference, I have to bring back my agenda.

1415
01:28:20,460 --> 01:28:23,500
 I bring back my receipts.

1416
01:28:23,500 --> 01:28:31,500
 I bring back -- I don't get excused from, you know, my job when I just say I'm going

1417
01:28:31,500 --> 01:28:32,500
 to be somewhere.

1418
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:41,660
 If that's the case, then why don't we say we will excuse you if you can show just cause

1419
01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:47,900
 that you was doing this because of your work, but if you, you know, then you're covering

1420
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:48,900
 both bases.

1421
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:53,980
 You can be excused if you were doing it for your work, but if you were just out doing

1422
01:28:53,980 --> 01:29:00,340
 it because you wanted to be gone for that month and a half, then that's an unexcused.

1423
01:29:00,340 --> 01:29:01,340
 Right.

1424
01:29:01,340 --> 01:29:02,340
 Right.

1425
01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:08,860
 Yeah, and I honestly don't know how big of a precedent we're setting with anything that

1426
01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:15,420
 we may work on tonight, but this would be a precedent for us in the time that I have

1427
01:29:15,420 --> 01:29:17,500
 been on the committee.

1428
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:23,980
 And so just due to, you know, that is something since we've got new terms coming up either

1429
01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:31,180
 because of newly appointed members or because you are being reappointed, August, September

1430
01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:37,340
 would be a time that we do establish that protocol going forward.

1431
01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:43,140
 And so I don't know if that's something that we would fine tune for us and say if you're

1432
01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:48,860
 going to be gone, bring us the agenda that says you were presenting or that you were

1433
01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:49,860
 in this case.

1434
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:50,860
 I don't know.

1435
01:29:50,860 --> 01:29:52,460
 Melissa, what were you going to say?

1436
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:53,940
 I got my question answered.

1437
01:29:53,940 --> 01:29:54,940
 Okay.

1438
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:55,940
 With all the conversation.

1439
01:29:55,940 --> 01:29:56,940
 Yeah.

1440
01:29:56,940 --> 01:29:58,940
 It makes us all uneasy.

1441
01:29:58,940 --> 01:29:59,940
 I get it.

1442
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:00,940
 Yeah.

1443
01:30:00,940 --> 01:30:03,660
 We're going to set the precedent either way we go.

1444
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:04,660
 Right.

1445
01:30:04,660 --> 01:30:05,660
 Right.

1446
01:30:05,660 --> 01:30:06,660
 Right.

1447
01:30:06,660 --> 01:30:11,780
 Because we've really not discussed excessive absences in the past.

1448
01:30:11,780 --> 01:30:13,180
 So, Jeff?

1449
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:15,860
 I was just saying it seems so subjective.

1450
01:30:15,860 --> 01:30:20,100
 I mean, I want to take a look at that like Kevin was mentioning.

1451
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:27,340
 I mean, for example, my example is, you know, is that my grandson's birth.

1452
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:29,420
 I mean, are you going to make me bring a birth certificate?

1453
01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:33,540
 I mean, it sounds kind of ridiculous but how far is it going to go?

1454
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:34,540
 Right.

1455
01:30:34,540 --> 01:30:41,620
 But also this applies when you are the -- it potentially applies at three absences.

1456
01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:44,380
 Three unexcused absences.

1457
01:30:44,380 --> 01:30:52,300
 Which that does mean that over the course of two terms, we generally, you know, only

1458
01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:57,100
 have -- we have usually 10 to 11 meetings per year.

1459
01:30:57,100 --> 01:31:04,300
 So by the time you're missing, you know, three, you're, you know, close to a sixth of the

1460
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,100
 abs -- of the year.

1461
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,100
 Unexcused.

1462
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:08,100
 You know.

1463
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:09,100
 Yeah.

1464
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:10,100
 Of unexcused.

1465
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:14,180
 And so, you know, I believe that there's -- this is vague enough.

1466
01:31:14,180 --> 01:31:18,660
 So there's some latitude in there, you know, dealing, like I said, with illness.

1467
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:21,180
 But that's unexcused.

1468
01:31:21,180 --> 01:31:27,820
 It does mean you could be a no call, no show or just not come.

1469
01:31:27,820 --> 01:31:33,820
 But you know, it's a lot of -- we all have good reasons why we can't make it.

1470
01:31:33,820 --> 01:31:40,700
 And -- but it's the, I'm not going to make it, I think is the problem, maybe.

1471
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:41,700
 I don't know.

1472
01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:47,180
 Is that three a year or is that three per two-year term?

1473
01:31:47,180 --> 01:31:48,180
 Year.

1474
01:31:48,180 --> 01:31:49,180
 I'm sorry.

1475
01:31:49,180 --> 01:31:50,180
 One year.

1476
01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:51,180
 Oh, one year.

1477
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:52,180
 Okay.

1478
01:31:52,180 --> 01:31:57,180
 So by the time you miss three in a year, then you've got -- you've missed a potentially

1479
01:31:57,180 --> 01:32:04,020
 a third, almost a third of the meetings.

1480
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:11,700
 And then I don't know whether, you know, the -- I was going to put another layer on here,

1481
01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:12,700
 but I'm not going to.

1482
01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:13,700
 Forget it.

1483
01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:14,700
 Never mind.

1484
01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:21,660
 But when your vice chair maybe -- it weighs in a little heavier on you, but I'm not sure.

1485
01:32:21,660 --> 01:32:27,260
 I guess I always look at the human side of things, and the human side of things is things

1486
01:32:27,260 --> 01:32:33,260
 come up, people have prior commitments, we committed to this, but in our day-to-day lives,

1487
01:32:33,260 --> 01:32:34,460
 things can come up to where --

1488
01:32:34,460 --> 01:32:35,460
 Absolutely.

1489
01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:41,100
 -- you see, out of our control, or it's a special occasion, you know, I got a daughter,

1490
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:45,020
 I don't know if she's going to get married next month, so I can't tell you that, you

1491
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:46,020
 know what I mean?

1492
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:47,020
 Right.

1493
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:52,700
 Because, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, I guess I wouldn't feel comfortable

1494
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:57,900
 with telling him he can't be there anymore, because when I look at the email, he said,

1495
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:01,420
 "I will be gone for this amount of time."

1496
01:33:01,420 --> 01:33:06,260
 So it wasn't like he didn't -- all of a sudden, May came, you don't hear from him.

1497
01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:07,260
 Right.

1498
01:33:07,260 --> 01:33:09,300
 June came, you don't hear from him.

1499
01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:14,300
 And now here we is, July, we don't hear from him, you know, back whenever he wrote it,

1500
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:18,140
 he said, "I will be gone for this amount of time."

1501
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:19,140
 Right.

1502
01:33:19,140 --> 01:33:20,140
 You know what I mean?

1503
01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:26,660
 So the human side of it is that him knowing that he took this commitment, like I said,

1504
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:34,940
 it could be his job, his career, may want to go be in prison, I don't know, you know

1505
01:33:34,940 --> 01:33:35,940
 what I mean?

1506
01:33:35,940 --> 01:33:43,700
 But he let us know that he would be gone from this day to this day.

1507
01:33:43,700 --> 01:33:48,380
 And if I had to make a decision, I would say, "Hey, when he comes back on July the 15th,

1508
01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:55,100
 maybe we can address him and say, 'Hey, you know,'" you know, then we tell him if we're

1509
01:33:55,100 --> 01:34:01,540
 going to start really just implying everything that it says, well, then let's tell him, but

1510
01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:08,980
 the next time he do it, then it's -- that's just me being on the human side of things.

1511
01:34:08,980 --> 01:34:10,980
 Yeah, no, I see your point.

1512
01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:15,540
 I definitely see your point, that we do -- I think we might feel -- I know I feel a little

1513
01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:21,100
 bit retroactive, you know, like, oh, we haven't been counting your absences, but now we're

1514
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:26,220
 going to, and there could be censure tied to it.

1515
01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:30,860
 I think that this, again, this is -- this will set our precedent going forward.

1516
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:36,740
 I'm rolling off in August, by the way, so this sets your precedent moving forward.

1517
01:34:36,740 --> 01:34:41,500
 Something though, because I'm rolling off, I do want to say that one thing to think about

1518
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:50,980
 is that -- that historically, he's gone -- he's gone -- you know, Vice Chair Krutka is going

1519
01:34:50,980 --> 01:34:55,020
 to be gone every summer, so you have to think about that.

1520
01:34:55,020 --> 01:35:01,580
 And will you -- will that then hinder when you have somebody who is guaranteed to be

1521
01:35:01,580 --> 01:35:06,460
 gone every summer and potentially gone every December, will that hinder the work of the

1522
01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:07,900
 committee?

1523
01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:15,580
 And that means that the onus is going to always be on the remaining members to make sure that

1524
01:35:15,580 --> 01:35:22,420
 you got that fourth person here, even in times when grandchildren are being born, people

1525
01:35:22,420 --> 01:35:26,820
 are getting sick, and people have surgery.

1526
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:32,500
 I mean, that's something that you -- we have to consider, is that what kind of a responsibility

1527
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:39,180
 does that put on everybody else when somebody is guaranteed to be gone at a window at a

1528
01:35:39,180 --> 01:35:41,700
 time when other people might want to be gone, too?

1529
01:35:41,700 --> 01:35:44,700
 So, Jim, what were you going to say?

1530
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:49,420
 Well, I'm just going to -- for the councilor hiding in the corner, can we table the -- can

1531
01:35:49,420 --> 01:35:50,420
 we table the vote?

1532
01:35:50,420 --> 01:35:51,420
 Is that allowed?

1533
01:35:51,420 --> 01:35:52,420
 Yes.

1534
01:35:52,420 --> 01:35:57,420
 I'll walk up to the microphone.

1535
01:35:57,420 --> 01:36:06,820
 Yes, procedurally, you can -- you can postpone this to the next meeting or an event certain

1536
01:36:06,820 --> 01:36:07,820
 in the future.

1537
01:36:07,820 --> 01:36:14,940
 Well, the event certain would be when we see who's going to be here on the next two years

1538
01:36:14,940 --> 01:36:16,180
 with all the new appointments.

1539
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:17,180
 Okay.

1540
01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:18,180
 Or reappointments.

1541
01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:21,340
 You see what I'm saying?

1542
01:36:21,340 --> 01:36:22,340
 Yeah.

1543
01:36:22,340 --> 01:36:23,340
 Yeah.

1544
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:26,100
 Can we -- do we have consensus on this?

1545
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:33,820
 To hold off on saying yesterday until we know for sure who's going to be here?

1546
01:36:33,820 --> 01:36:40,980
 I would like to bifurcate that decision and make a decision -- can I just pin you in right

1547
01:36:40,980 --> 01:36:41,980
 there?

1548
01:36:41,980 --> 01:36:42,980
 Pin me?

1549
01:36:42,980 --> 01:36:51,500
 I'd like to bifurcate that and not -- you know, table the discussion on what we would

1550
01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:55,220
 like to do with Vice Chair Krutka's situation.

1551
01:36:55,220 --> 01:37:02,060
 But I think that next meeting, we should then establish our protocol going forward.

1552
01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:04,980
 Well, by then, we'll know who's coming back.

1553
01:37:04,980 --> 01:37:05,980
 In August?

1554
01:37:05,980 --> 01:37:13,020
 Are the appointments made by August -- August 5th is when we meet again.

1555
01:37:13,020 --> 01:37:18,980
 Well, people are going to get reappointed or go off in August.

1556
01:37:18,980 --> 01:37:19,980
 That's more --

1557
01:37:19,980 --> 01:37:20,980
 They'll know whether they're --

1558
01:37:20,980 --> 01:37:21,980
 Middle of August.

1559
01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:27,860
 The council's not always very fast on the gun on that.

1560
01:37:27,860 --> 01:37:28,860
 Right.

1561
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:36,780
 I think, yes, we should wait until Vice Chair Krutka comes back and to talk about what -- him.

1562
01:37:36,780 --> 01:37:40,020
 I think he needs the ability to defend himself.

1563
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,020
 Yes.

1564
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:42,020
 Due process.

1565
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:43,020
 Right.

1566
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:44,020
 Right.

1567
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:47,740
 And then I think tied to that discussion, I think we should discuss our protocol and

1568
01:37:47,740 --> 01:37:55,380
 what we want to do about -- you know, again, like I said, a big thing is that when somebody

1569
01:37:55,380 --> 01:38:02,420
 on any commission is guaranteed to be gone, then it is a bigger responsibility on everybody

1570
01:38:02,420 --> 01:38:06,220
 else to be there to contribute.

1571
01:38:06,220 --> 01:38:12,100
 And if somebody's not contributing -- I mean, really, this is the heart of the absence issue

1572
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:19,340
 is that we have -- when we have a member who doesn't contribute, you know, on a number

1573
01:38:19,340 --> 01:38:23,220
 of occasions, then that voice is gone.

1574
01:38:23,220 --> 01:38:24,220
 Becky?

1575
01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:27,900
 I understand the precedent for the whole commission.

1576
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:35,460
 However, the report is due to the city secretary for a report to council quarterly.

1577
01:38:35,460 --> 01:38:37,980
 So the absence for June has to be reported.

1578
01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:38,980
 Okay.

1579
01:38:38,980 --> 01:38:39,980
 In some fashion.

1580
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:40,980
 Okay.

1581
01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:41,980
 Okay.

1582
01:38:41,980 --> 01:38:49,980
 And the absence -- Can you say an undetermined absence?

1583
01:38:49,980 --> 01:38:54,500
 Absence of undetermined -- I can try.

1584
01:38:54,500 --> 01:39:01,500
 So the question is, you know, was he -- is he away for work?

1585
01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:03,460
 Is that -- that's the question we have.

1586
01:39:03,460 --> 01:39:04,460
 Is it not?

1587
01:39:04,460 --> 01:39:11,460
 I mean, because if he's away from work, then by -- what we've all read is that if he's

1588
01:39:11,460 --> 01:39:18,620
 away from work, it's an excused absence, and we can't tell somebody that they wasn't working.

1589
01:39:18,620 --> 01:39:26,900
 Well, we can, because we can ask for documentation, you know, if he is -- since he works at the

1590
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:36,100
 university, we could ask him for documentation of attending a, you know, a conference -- presenting

1591
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:37,720
 at a conference.

1592
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,500
 So there's a lot of ways to document.

1593
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:46,700
 And I guess that goes back to saying that if he says that he was and he presents that,

1594
01:39:46,700 --> 01:39:50,140
 then it goes as, you know what I mean?

1595
01:39:50,140 --> 01:39:55,780
 But right now, we can't say that he wasn't working because he's not here.

1596
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:58,740
 We haven't given him an opportunity to present it.

1597
01:39:58,740 --> 01:40:01,740
 You understand what I'm saying?

1598
01:40:01,740 --> 01:40:02,740
 It's like trial and fire.

1599
01:40:02,740 --> 01:40:09,740
 So we have to go by what's written, if he's away for a conference, and we say it's for

1600
01:40:09,740 --> 01:40:15,460
 work, then we have to let that be work until he proves, you know -- I mean --

1601
01:40:15,460 --> 01:40:17,420
 >> Innocent of proving guilty.

1602
01:40:17,420 --> 01:40:18,420
 >> Yeah.

1603
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:19,420
 >> You get it?

1604
01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:20,420
 >> You know what I mean?

1605
01:40:20,420 --> 01:40:27,460
 And so it's one of those things that right now I would say, because I don't know, I would

1606
01:40:27,460 --> 01:40:30,460
 have to say that conference, work.

1607
01:40:30,460 --> 01:40:35,460
 So I would say he was at work, so to me, it's an excused absence because it's work related.

1608
01:40:35,460 --> 01:40:36,460
 >> Okay.

1609
01:40:36,460 --> 01:40:37,460
 Okay.

1610
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:43,860
 I've got some traveling going on there, but Becky, what are you going to say?

1611
01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:48,380
 >> I've been tasked to simply ask, why were you absent?

1612
01:40:48,380 --> 01:40:49,700
 I don't need the detail.

1613
01:40:49,700 --> 01:40:53,620
 I don't have the privilege of asking for specific details.

1614
01:40:53,620 --> 01:40:58,860
 So that's why the answer that was provided was presented to the commission.

1615
01:40:58,860 --> 01:41:06,060
 So if it's not my purview to say, were you on vacation or was it work?

1616
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:10,340
 I have to present whatever the answer was.

1617
01:41:10,340 --> 01:41:17,180
 So I don't need to know that you were dying in the hospital because X.

1618
01:41:17,180 --> 01:41:18,180
 I don't need that.

1619
01:41:18,180 --> 01:41:26,020
 I was in the emergency room or I had a family emergency or I was called away for work.

1620
01:41:26,020 --> 01:41:32,060
 Just basic answers will be the only thing that I ask for as the recorder for the commission.

1621
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:38,140
 So I presented the response that I got specifically from Daniel for your consideration.

1622
01:41:38,140 --> 01:41:44,620
 But the attendance reports are due quarterly and the end of the quarter is June.

1623
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:48,820
 Understanding that this is new, it may not have been new for the commission.

1624
01:41:48,820 --> 01:41:51,860
 It just has not been done.

1625
01:41:51,860 --> 01:41:55,280
 Not only for this commission, but for other boards and committees.

1626
01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:02,420
 There were other business units that were lax in their response or the communication

1627
01:42:02,420 --> 01:42:05,820
 about the requirement was not well communicated.

1628
01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:10,940
 And I personally could be at fault because I was new to this commission and learning

1629
01:42:10,940 --> 01:42:18,380
 and the handoff or the transition of the staff member before me was not 100%.

1630
01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:24,380
 So it's been a learning curve for all of us, whether the requirement was there previously

1631
01:42:24,380 --> 01:42:26,740
 or not.

1632
01:42:26,740 --> 01:42:32,300
 We were tasked as staff liaisons to distribute the Article III.

1633
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:38,900
 That's the reason Todd Estes presented it for your review at the last meeting.

1634
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:42,660
 Although Daniel wasn't here, it was in the body of information that was shared with him

1635
01:42:42,660 --> 01:42:44,580
 as well.

1636
01:42:44,580 --> 01:42:48,900
 And this was the response that I received to be shared.

1637
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:56,220
 So I can't explain whether it is or is not for work, but that was the answer that I received.

1638
01:42:56,220 --> 01:43:03,660
 So just trying to stay within the guidelines of these new or more enforced requirements

1639
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:04,660
 that are due to council.

1640
01:43:04,660 --> 01:43:13,260
 But I had to go back, just so you'll all know, I had to go back all the way to 2018 and report

1641
01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:21,300
 present or absent with no reason, just present or absent, all the way from the end of 2017

1642
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:25,740
 through the present, even though I wasn't associated with the commission.

1643
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:28,660
 I had to go off of the meeting minutes.

1644
01:43:28,660 --> 01:43:30,420
 And Patrice can attest to this too.

1645
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:35,500
 I had to go back and ask her to sign all of the minutes that were approved or approved

1646
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:41,180
 with correction as part of this getting back on task.

1647
01:43:41,180 --> 01:43:48,400
 So that's my only request tonight is either I either need a statement or a recommendation

1648
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:54,740
 from the commission to be included with the attendance report, to be tabled for the president

1649
01:43:54,740 --> 01:43:57,940
 going forward by this commission.

1650
01:43:57,940 --> 01:44:01,300
 So July can be separated out.

1651
01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:06,380
 It can be, you know, you can make that a separate discussion when Daniel returns in August.

1652
01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:13,100
 So you're saying we can decide on excused or excused for June, and then we can deal

1653
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:15,020
 with July next month?

1654
01:44:15,020 --> 01:44:16,020
 Correct.

1655
01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:17,020
 Okay.

1656
01:44:17,020 --> 01:44:18,020
 Awesome.

1657
01:44:18,020 --> 01:44:19,020
 Thank you.

1658
01:44:19,020 --> 01:44:20,020
 What is your deadline to report?

1659
01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:23,340
 It's quarterly and the end of the quarter is June.

1660
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:25,340
 So it's now.

1661
01:44:25,340 --> 01:44:32,740
 So last month's absence is due, when this meeting is over, I have the requirement to

1662
01:44:32,740 --> 01:44:37,020
 turn in the attendance roster.

1663
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:39,140
 Okay.

1664
01:44:39,140 --> 01:44:56,820
 Well, he did tell us at his last attending that he was going to be absent and he has

1665
01:44:56,820 --> 01:45:00,460
 been a very engaged member.

1666
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:03,140
 I would agree with that.

1667
01:45:03,140 --> 01:45:04,140
 Absolutely.

1668
01:45:04,140 --> 01:45:05,140
 Yeah.

1669
01:45:05,140 --> 01:45:11,620
 I mean, I think we could -- I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and call

1670
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:13,780
 it a working absence.

1671
01:45:13,780 --> 01:45:14,780
 Okay.

1672
01:45:14,780 --> 01:45:17,020
 Is that a motion?

1673
01:45:17,020 --> 01:45:18,020
 For June, yeah.

1674
01:45:18,020 --> 01:45:20,260
 And then we can talk about July later.

1675
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:21,260
 Okay.

1676
01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:29,300
 So do we have consensus that June is excused due to work-related responsibilities?

1677
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:32,280
 Okay.

1678
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:37,820
 We always got to be careful about what kind of precedent we set, though, because he may

1679
01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:38,820
 roll off.

1680
01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:39,820
 Like I said, I'm rolling off.

1681
01:45:39,820 --> 01:45:41,820
 You don't know who you're going to get next.

1682
01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:45,340
 Can I ask a question?

1683
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:54,380
 So I mean, obviously -- I'm unaware of the process of how you're appointed chairman and

1684
01:45:54,380 --> 01:45:55,940
 vice chairman.

1685
01:45:55,940 --> 01:45:56,940
 And so --

1686
01:45:56,940 --> 01:45:57,940
 You vote on us.

1687
01:45:57,940 --> 01:45:58,940
 The board does?

1688
01:45:58,940 --> 01:45:59,940
 Yeah.

1689
01:45:59,940 --> 01:46:10,060
 So if I'm gone and he's gone, then who picks up the slack?

1690
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:14,060
 Well, I mean, once we get the new appointments, you'll pick a new chair and vice chair for

1691
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:15,380
 the following year.

1692
01:46:15,380 --> 01:46:19,400
 If both of them happen to be absent during a meeting, then the first order of business

1693
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:25,340
 for that meeting will be to pick a temporary chair that will last the length of that single

1694
01:46:25,340 --> 01:46:26,340
 meeting.

1695
01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:27,340
 Thank you.

1696
01:46:27,340 --> 01:46:34,340
 Okay.

1697
01:46:34,340 --> 01:46:43,340
 So what I'm hearing is that we have a consensus that June 4 vice chair, Krutka, can be excused

1698
01:46:43,340 --> 01:46:47,100
 due to a work-related absence.

1699
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:52,980
 We'll deal with July and August, and we can discuss then -- because like I said, I'm rolling

1700
01:46:52,980 --> 01:47:00,300
 off, but I'm serious about that if -- we are -- and I always agree that, you know, we need

1701
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:07,580
 to be, you know, on protocol, keeping our records like they are supposed to be kept.

1702
01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:15,020
 But we should make some decisions about how we want to -- how our commission, your commission

1703
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:21,940
 going forward will then handle that type of extended absence, you know, particularly in

1704
01:47:21,940 --> 01:47:29,260
 a time when a lot of other people may also want to be absent and that it does -- it does

1705
01:47:29,260 --> 01:47:35,460
 put more of a burden on everybody else to make sure that their butts are here when somebody

1706
01:47:35,460 --> 01:47:40,700
 else is guaranteed to be gone.

1707
01:47:40,700 --> 01:47:42,620
 Okay.

1708
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:43,620
 Carry on.

1709
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:44,620
 Thank you.

1710
01:47:44,620 --> 01:47:45,620
 Happy to help.

1711
01:47:45,620 --> 01:47:46,620
 All right.

1712
01:47:46,620 --> 01:48:03,900
 Now, back in my seat, that brings us to item 1F, which is TSC 19-034, our staff reports.

1713
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:04,900
 Ha!

1714
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:10,300
 That's exactly what I want to look at.

1715
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:11,300
 Thanks.

1716
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:12,300
 Is it?

1717
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:13,300
 No.

1718
01:48:13,300 --> 01:48:14,300
 Okay.

1719
01:48:14,300 --> 01:48:21,980
 So, here's your -- here's your street construction report.

1720
01:48:21,980 --> 01:48:27,140
 I am not really able to field questions.

1721
01:48:27,140 --> 01:48:31,380
 I have some, actually, as I'm going through this, and most of these are shown as -- should

1722
01:48:31,380 --> 01:48:32,380
 be complete.

1723
01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:35,300
 So, if this is the latest, I'm curious.

1724
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:43,180
 But if you have questions and would like information next month on any of these projects, let me

1725
01:48:43,180 --> 01:48:47,700
 know now, but I really -- I'm too new.

1726
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:52,700
 I don't have any depth of history on any of these projects and all I can do is read the

1727
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:53,700
 same as you can.

1728
01:48:53,700 --> 01:49:00,740
 So, if you have questions seriously on any of these for next time, let me know and we

1729
01:49:00,740 --> 01:49:04,540
 can put that together.

1730
01:49:04,540 --> 01:49:11,020
 You missed the deadline on EGLE, Carol, and I take personal responsibility for that.

1731
01:49:11,020 --> 01:49:13,540
 Get out there and stripe it.

1732
01:49:13,540 --> 01:49:14,540
 Okay.

1733
01:49:14,540 --> 01:49:18,900
 So, this is -- as far as I'm concerned, the best I can do is this is an informational

1734
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:19,900
 item for this meeting.

1735
01:49:19,900 --> 01:49:25,140
 We'll become more interactive as I get a little bit further along and get some history behind

1736
01:49:25,140 --> 01:49:26,900
 me.

1737
01:49:26,900 --> 01:49:32,560
 If I know what projects you're really concerned about or what your hot buttons are, just let

1738
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:38,420
 me know and we can have a much more in-depth discussion on status and estimated completion

1739
01:49:38,420 --> 01:49:41,340
 and the tasks that are underway.

1740
01:49:41,340 --> 01:49:43,980
 I just have one question.

1741
01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:44,980
 Okay.

1742
01:49:44,980 --> 01:49:54,180
 Is all the construction done on TV and balance or on that four-way site, is it going to be

1743
01:49:54,180 --> 01:49:55,180
 any more?

1744
01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:58,180
 There's always a chance for more.

1745
01:49:58,180 --> 01:50:04,380
 So, again, I don't -- I know that's wrapping up, but I don't have an estimated completion

1746
01:50:04,380 --> 01:50:05,380
 date for you.

1747
01:50:05,380 --> 01:50:09,020
 I know we're doing some striping out there, so I know we've done some signage change

1748
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:12,580
 and we're doing some -- might even be doing some signal modifications, but I don't know

1749
01:50:12,580 --> 01:50:14,940
 an estimated end date.

1750
01:50:14,940 --> 01:50:16,820
 When is EGLE going to open up?

1751
01:50:16,820 --> 01:50:18,500
 They're getting pretty close, aren't they?

1752
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:19,500
 Yeah, and I don't know.

1753
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:20,500
 I'm serious.

1754
01:50:20,500 --> 01:50:21,500
 I just -- I have --

1755
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:22,500
 I didn't know if it was on.

1756
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:23,500
 I almost know.

1757
01:50:23,500 --> 01:50:27,260
 But I -- this is where -- I mean, you guys have my email.

1758
01:50:27,260 --> 01:50:30,100
 If not, I can give you my cards.

1759
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:35,180
 If you have a question, we can certainly answer those questions outside of this purview.

1760
01:50:35,180 --> 01:50:36,180
 Okay.

1761
01:50:36,180 --> 01:50:37,180
 Okay.

1762
01:50:37,180 --> 01:50:38,180
 Okay.

1763
01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:39,180
 Okay.

1764
01:50:39,180 --> 01:50:40,180
 Next month.

1765
01:50:40,180 --> 01:50:41,180
 Yes.

1766
01:50:41,180 --> 01:50:42,180
 Or next -- tomorrow.

1767
01:50:42,180 --> 01:50:43,180
 Or next week.

1768
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:45,700
 I mean, there's -- we don't have to wait a month.

1769
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:49,980
 I mean, if you have specific questions on any of these that are on this list, let me

1770
01:50:49,980 --> 01:50:51,780
 know and we'll get you some feedback.

1771
01:50:51,780 --> 01:50:52,780
 Okay.

1772
01:50:52,780 --> 01:50:53,780
 Okay.

1773
01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:54,780
 Thank you.

1774
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:55,780
 Okay.

1775
01:50:55,780 --> 01:51:00,780
 Do you have -- yeah, Matrix.

1776
01:51:00,780 --> 01:51:12,340
 That's our favorite, you know.

1777
01:51:12,340 --> 01:51:21,660
 So some of these are very old, and we talked about the August meeting.

1778
01:51:21,660 --> 01:51:27,100
 Any of these items of interest to be brought forward?

1779
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:32,700
 We've got a couple on there that are marked for a maybe removal, but these all predate

1780
01:51:32,700 --> 01:51:33,700
 me.

1781
01:51:33,700 --> 01:51:34,700
 Oh, the maybes.

1782
01:51:34,700 --> 01:51:50,580
 I'll have to wait until Daniel's back next week or next month since they're all his.

1783
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:57,540
 And you have this electronically, if there are items on this list, on this Matrix, that

1784
01:51:57,540 --> 01:52:00,340
 you'd like to see fleshed out in August, let us know.

1785
01:52:00,340 --> 01:52:05,020
 We've got a couple of things that are already queued up, but -- so we would recommend or

1786
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:08,900
 we would request an August meeting if you were considering not having one.

1787
01:52:08,900 --> 01:52:12,740
 We could probably fill an agenda, but we could include any of these topics in there that

1788
01:52:12,740 --> 01:52:15,860
 you might want to discuss at greater length.

1789
01:52:15,860 --> 01:52:24,700
 And actually, I think number one and seven are the same -- they're the same issue.

1790
01:52:24,700 --> 01:52:28,860
 Station motors and Hercules muffler, those are the same -- that's the same location.

1791
01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:34,740
 McKinney Locust and Elm just north of McKinney.

1792
01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:37,500
 And so I would respond, that's an enforcement issue?

1793
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:38,500
 Yeah.

1794
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:43,180
 If they're blocking the sidewalk, that's against state statute, not even local statute.

1795
01:52:43,180 --> 01:52:46,420
 So that's an easy enforcement issue.

1796
01:52:46,420 --> 01:52:47,420
 Yeah.

1797
01:52:47,420 --> 01:52:52,940
 Clay, number two, did we ever get number two yet?

1798
01:52:52,940 --> 01:52:58,860
 We have not gotten what I consider satisfactory on that, because I was wanting to drill down

1799
01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:06,900
 to what is our percentages of pedestrian accidents, bicycle accidents, motor vehicle accidents,

1800
01:53:06,900 --> 01:53:10,540
 so that we can maybe address some of these things.

1801
01:53:10,540 --> 01:53:16,980
 Because I'm a little concerned because I know bicycle accidents get a lot of press, but

1802
01:53:16,980 --> 01:53:20,740
 pedestrian accidents I think actually outnumber bicycle accidents.

1803
01:53:20,740 --> 01:53:21,740
 They do.

1804
01:53:21,740 --> 01:53:22,740
 Yeah.

1805
01:53:22,740 --> 01:53:25,500
 Is that right, Mark?

1806
01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:27,660
 They do regionally, and I believe they do locally as well.

1807
01:53:27,660 --> 01:53:32,500
 So we can get information from the cog, as well as PD, and bring that forward.

1808
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:36,700
 We can -- how far back do you want to go, and do you want to see trend lines?

1809
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:37,980
 They're actually trending upward?

1810
01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:40,260
 Well, just in the last year.

1811
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:41,260
 Yeah.

1812
01:53:41,260 --> 01:53:42,260
 Yeah.

1813
01:53:42,260 --> 01:53:43,260
 That works.

1814
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:44,260
 Okay.

1815
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:47,540
 So item number two, we'll bring that forward in August.

1816
01:53:47,540 --> 01:53:48,540
 Okay.

1817
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:49,540
 All right.

1818
01:53:49,540 --> 01:53:50,540
 Anything else?

1819
01:53:50,540 --> 01:53:51,540
 Let us know.

1820
01:53:51,540 --> 01:53:52,540
 We'll be putting the agenda.

1821
01:53:52,540 --> 01:54:00,140
 One of our initiatives is to get this thing out a little sooner, so we have time to -- well,

1822
01:54:00,140 --> 01:54:01,140
 it's for us.

1823
01:54:01,140 --> 01:54:03,740
 So we have time, and we're not hustling at the last minute to try and get all our agenda

1824
01:54:03,740 --> 01:54:07,100
 items Wednesday before the week.

1825
01:54:07,100 --> 01:54:13,140
 So we're probably going to try and finalize this agenda at least a week prior to -- maybe

1826
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:20,160
 two weeks prior to the meeting, so -- which puts us two weeks out.

1827
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:24,460
 So just -- we're going to try and give you a little bit more lead time with the packet

1828
01:54:24,460 --> 01:54:28,220
 in your hand and published agenda, so we're not, again, trying to squeeze something in

1829
01:54:28,220 --> 01:54:29,220
 the last minute.

1830
01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:30,220
 Nice.

1831
01:54:30,220 --> 01:54:33,220
 Will you scroll a little bit?

1832
01:54:33,220 --> 01:54:37,300
 There we go.

1833
01:54:37,300 --> 01:54:42,020
 Thank you.

1834
01:54:42,020 --> 01:54:47,460
 Number nine, I think, will be a topic in August, because I think we'll have some citizen comment

1835
01:54:47,460 --> 01:54:48,460
 on that.

1836
01:54:48,460 --> 01:54:49,460
 Yeah.

1837
01:54:49,460 --> 01:54:58,740
 And number 12, mine, if we can find out where we are on that, because we're wanting -- what

1838
01:54:58,740 --> 01:55:04,000
 I asked was for some demonstration projects for protected bike lanes, and we were looking

1839
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,860
 at Highland and Hinkle, wasn't it?

1840
01:55:08,860 --> 01:55:11,860
 I was suggesting Hinkle.

1841
01:55:11,860 --> 01:55:13,400
 Yeah.

1842
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:17,220
 And I know that Hinkle's down to dirt now.

1843
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:18,220
 Okay.

1844
01:55:18,220 --> 01:55:22,540
 So we can have a -- you want a status update in August, just to -- here's --

1845
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:30,080
 In the traffic flow, because they were talking about putting some on-street parking on Hinkle

1846
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:31,080
 to that new development.

1847
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:34,620
 So they weren't keeping the bike lane, because they had a bike lane?

1848
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:38,660
 I think they were keeping the bike lane, but they were going to have some more parking

1849
01:55:38,660 --> 01:55:39,660
 there.

1850
01:55:39,660 --> 01:55:40,660
 Yeah.

1851
01:55:40,660 --> 01:55:41,660
 Yeah.

1852
01:55:41,660 --> 01:55:49,980
 You might want to -- if they vote dead bond, to include an update of what they voted.

1853
01:55:49,980 --> 01:55:53,500
 They vote the sidewalks and the bike lanes and all that.

1854
01:55:53,500 --> 01:55:55,580
 I believe it won't be until November.

1855
01:55:55,580 --> 01:56:01,460
 No, no, not the election, but the bond committee says they're willing to put on a ballot.

1856
01:56:01,460 --> 01:56:04,100
 We can bring forward to you what the current package is at that time.

1857
01:56:04,100 --> 01:56:05,100
 Right.

1858
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:06,100
 What their proposal is.

1859
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:07,100
 Certainly.

1860
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:08,100
 Excellent.

1861
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:16,660
 I don't know if -- but you know the road that goes right in front of DCTA, like, where the

1862
01:56:16,660 --> 01:56:17,660
 buses turn?

1863
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:18,660
 Right.

1864
01:56:18,660 --> 01:56:24,180
 So, lately, because I ride the bus, I drive whichever one, lately it's been a lot of just

1865
01:56:24,180 --> 01:56:26,020
 willy-nilly cars going there.

1866
01:56:26,020 --> 01:56:29,380
 Is there anything that we can do, bigger size or whatever.

1867
01:56:29,380 --> 01:56:34,100
 I'm talking about they come through there like it's -- like it's just a regular street.

1868
01:56:34,100 --> 01:56:35,100
 You know what I mean?

1869
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:39,340
 And, you know, people that ride the bus so used to walking around, just walking across

1870
01:56:39,340 --> 01:56:40,340
 the street.

1871
01:56:40,340 --> 01:56:45,380
 But, you know, now you have like today, I think about nine of them went that way, you

1872
01:56:45,380 --> 01:56:46,380
 know.

1873
01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:47,940
 They just turn and just go.

1874
01:56:47,940 --> 01:56:48,940
 Okay.

1875
01:56:48,940 --> 01:56:49,940
 You mean at the DDTC?

1876
01:56:49,940 --> 01:56:50,940
 Yeah.

1877
01:56:50,940 --> 01:56:51,940
 Downtown.

1878
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:57,180
 Where the buses go in that, that road right there, you know, where the buses are traveling

1879
01:56:57,180 --> 01:56:58,180
 at.

1880
01:56:58,180 --> 01:56:59,180
 Right.

1881
01:56:59,180 --> 01:57:00,180
 I see a lot of people, they come and they turn.

1882
01:57:00,180 --> 01:57:03,660
 They go down and they turn and go back over the track, you know.

1883
01:57:03,660 --> 01:57:08,220
 And so I don't know if they can't see the -- if it's a one-way side or --

1884
01:57:08,220 --> 01:57:09,220
 Yeah.

1885
01:57:09,220 --> 01:57:10,220
 We can look at some --

1886
01:57:10,220 --> 01:57:11,220
 You know what I mean?

1887
01:57:11,220 --> 01:57:15,500
 Let us review what's out there and we'll bring -- if we can formulate a solution or an enhancement,

1888
01:57:15,500 --> 01:57:16,500
 we'll bring that to you.

1889
01:57:16,500 --> 01:57:20,580
 Yeah, I just -- you know, it was just something -- because some days I do ride the bus and

1890
01:57:20,580 --> 01:57:25,340
 I noticed today that when I was there, it was like, shh, shh, shh, shh.

1891
01:57:25,340 --> 01:57:26,340
 Okay.

1892
01:57:26,340 --> 01:57:30,820
 You know, it's like, you know, then I walked to the other side, I said, well, maybe a bigger

1893
01:57:30,820 --> 01:57:31,820
 sign or something.

1894
01:57:31,820 --> 01:57:32,820
 I don't know.

1895
01:57:32,820 --> 01:57:37,540
 But, you know, it's becoming more of a --

1896
01:57:37,540 --> 01:57:38,540
 More common?

1897
01:57:38,540 --> 01:57:39,540
 Yeah, more common.

1898
01:57:39,540 --> 01:57:40,540
 Okay.

1899
01:57:40,540 --> 01:57:42,260
 We can look at that.

1900
01:57:42,260 --> 01:57:47,580
 My number 11 there, with hot signals from pedestrian crossings on Carroll, Carroll doesn't

1901
01:57:47,580 --> 01:57:49,980
 intersect easily.

1902
01:57:49,980 --> 01:58:00,460
 So I remember bringing it, and I was looking at Carroll, and there are a number -- there

1903
01:58:00,460 --> 01:58:07,460
 are long stretches of Carroll Boulevard where there is no place for pedestrians to cross.

1904
01:58:07,460 --> 01:58:08,460
 Okay.

1905
01:58:08,460 --> 01:58:15,500
 Or, you know, at maybe Crescent or Cordell, they can cross, but if they're heading -- want

1906
01:58:15,500 --> 01:58:20,780
 to get anywhere to the south, they have to get all the way up to Congress before they

1907
01:58:20,780 --> 01:58:25,420
 could cross, either -- going either way, if they want to go west or they want to go east.

1908
01:58:25,420 --> 01:58:27,460
 So that was what I was looking for there.

1909
01:58:27,460 --> 01:58:34,940
 Are there any ways to incorporate some pedestrian crossing so that people don't have to walk,

1910
01:58:34,940 --> 01:58:36,740
 you know, whatever that stretch is?

1911
01:58:36,740 --> 01:58:37,740
 Right.

1912
01:58:37,740 --> 01:58:41,860
 You know, from Hawk, the pedestrian hybrid beacon, it's basically a traffic signal that's

1913
01:58:41,860 --> 01:58:43,980
 pedestrian activated.

1914
01:58:43,980 --> 01:58:50,420
 It's a tool that I've used elsewhere successfully, and it's a great tool.

1915
01:58:50,420 --> 01:58:54,100
 It's better than -- you're familiar with the RRFBs, like we've got out in front of City

1916
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:55,420
 Hall here.

1917
01:58:55,420 --> 01:59:00,300
 Those are great, but they're not tied to any of the traffic signals, so the pedestrian

1918
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:02,500
 hybrid beacon, we can actually program.

1919
01:59:02,500 --> 01:59:07,420
 So the pedestrian pushes the button, and the signal won't actually activate until it's

1920
01:59:07,420 --> 01:59:12,140
 reached the proper sequence or point in the signal sequence from either side.

1921
01:59:12,140 --> 01:59:17,420
 So if you're in the middle between two signals, we're not going to let you start crossing

1922
01:59:17,420 --> 01:59:21,500
 right after the signal has unloaded all these cars and dumped them on the street, headed

1923
01:59:21,500 --> 01:59:24,700
 northbound or southbound, and so they start, then they have to stop again.

1924
01:59:24,700 --> 01:59:29,420
 So that's one of the reasons why we like to use the Hawk or the pedestrian hybrid beacon,

1925
01:59:29,420 --> 01:59:31,420
 because we can actually coordinate that.

1926
01:59:31,420 --> 01:59:36,260
 The pedestrian still gets a protective phase, but they get it at a time when they're least

1927
01:59:36,260 --> 01:59:39,060
 disruptive to everything else that's going on on the street.

1928
01:59:39,060 --> 01:59:40,060
 Yeah.

1929
01:59:40,060 --> 01:59:41,060
 Okay.

1930
01:59:41,060 --> 01:59:42,060
 Yeah, yeah.

1931
01:59:42,060 --> 01:59:43,060
 That sounds great.

1932
01:59:43,060 --> 01:59:44,060
 So that's a tool that we can certainly look at.

1933
01:59:44,060 --> 01:59:47,420
 We can -- we'll take a -- is it just Carol, or are there other --

1934
01:59:47,420 --> 01:59:53,700
 Carol is what I noticed, that people walk up -- because it's becoming a significantly

1935
01:59:53,700 --> 02:00:03,220
 more pedestrian-traveled area, and so Carol -- yes, Congress, people can cross there,

1936
02:00:03,220 --> 02:00:09,500
 but then, you know, people are on Egan, on Panhandle, on -- oh, I forgot -- you know,

1937
02:00:09,500 --> 02:00:14,340
 all the streets that go, you know, head on to the north, and if there were --

1938
02:00:14,340 --> 02:00:15,700
 So let me qualify.

1939
02:00:15,700 --> 02:00:20,180
 The pedestrian hybrid beacon really works best as a mid-block.

1940
02:00:20,180 --> 02:00:24,940
 So normally we want to deter mid-block crossings, but because it's only a two-way signal, not

1941
02:00:24,940 --> 02:00:30,500
 a four-way signal, we want to -- you can -- I've seen four-way signal designs, but it really

1942
02:00:30,500 --> 02:00:34,580
 works better if it's mid-block, they get to a point, and they're only stopping the traffic

1943
02:00:34,580 --> 02:00:35,580
 -- it's cleaner.

1944
02:00:35,580 --> 02:00:40,700
 They don't have to worry about side street traffic coming in and turning, and not seeing

1945
02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:42,420
 a beacon or missing the beacon.

1946
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:46,980
 So the mid-block crossing might not be right at the intersection you're thinking of, but

1947
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:47,980
 we can put it close.

1948
02:00:47,980 --> 02:00:48,980
 Somewhere nearby.

1949
02:00:48,980 --> 02:00:49,980
 Yeah.

1950
02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:55,420
 Well, then we'll add another layer of problem there, because there are not sidewalks on

1951
02:00:55,420 --> 02:00:58,060
 the west side of Carroll Boulevard.

1952
02:00:58,060 --> 02:01:03,420
 And so we probably would want to rethink a hybrid beacon, the hawk, at a place where

1953
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:06,100
 we don't have sidewalks.

1954
02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:09,900
 Or we can incorporate the sidewalk extension as part of that project, but we wouldn't want

1955
02:01:09,900 --> 02:01:15,180
 to dump them to somewhere, because everything we do, we have to make accessible.

1956
02:01:15,180 --> 02:01:22,060
 And we probably would want to think about where we put it, and assuming that we selected

1957
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:26,540
 a location, we may want to select -- part of that criteria is that we've got sidewalks

1958
02:01:26,540 --> 02:01:32,660
 and we'll do one, and if this is successful, then we can propagate the use of the pedestrian

1959
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:35,860
 hybrid beacon, but we know we need to extend sidewalks.

1960
02:01:35,860 --> 02:01:45,140
 So a better application for that than on Carroll Boulevard could be farther to the south, because,

1961
02:01:45,140 --> 02:01:52,940
 again, once you leave the Sycamore area heading south, then, again, there are no protected

1962
02:01:52,940 --> 02:01:56,060
 crosswalks until you get to Eagle.

1963
02:01:56,060 --> 02:02:01,200
 And so there are sidewalks there on both sides of Carroll Boulevard.

1964
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:07,140
 So if we're looking near the market, and there's another -- there are office buildings, there's

1965
02:02:07,140 --> 02:02:12,580
 a little strip shopping center, there are apartments, but even all the way through there,

1966
02:02:12,580 --> 02:02:15,900
 there are no places for people to cross safely.

1967
02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:16,900
 So --

1968
02:02:16,900 --> 02:02:17,900
 Okay.

1969
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:18,900
 Yeah.

1970
02:02:18,900 --> 02:02:19,900
 Right.

1971
02:02:19,900 --> 02:02:20,900
 And that's exactly --

1972
02:02:20,900 --> 02:02:21,900
 So that would be a good place to give that a shot.

1973
02:02:21,900 --> 02:02:26,060
 Now, of course, my wish list would be, then, that there would be sidewalks on both sides

1974
02:02:26,060 --> 02:02:28,300
 of Carroll Boulevard over on the north side.

1975
02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:29,300
 And there will be.

1976
02:02:29,300 --> 02:02:30,300
 Okay.

1977
02:02:30,300 --> 02:02:31,300
 Someday.

1978
02:02:31,300 --> 02:02:32,300
 Okay.

1979
02:02:32,300 --> 02:02:33,300
 But that's another project.

1980
02:02:33,300 --> 02:02:38,500
 And if the bond proposal that I've seen is successful, then we'll have a lot more resource

1981
02:02:38,500 --> 02:02:40,700
 to throw at the pedestrian element.

1982
02:02:40,700 --> 02:02:41,700
 Okay.

1983
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:42,700
 Perfect.

1984
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:43,700
 Thank you.

1985
02:02:43,700 --> 02:02:47,580
 Were you thinking of Teasley between Hobson and 35?

1986
02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:52,140
 I don't know, because I spend all my time that way.

1987
02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:53,140
 Yeah.

1988
02:02:53,140 --> 02:02:54,140
 But then also --

1989
02:02:54,140 --> 02:03:00,380
 Because those are the only good crossing points I can think of, and 35 and Teasley is kind

1990
02:03:00,380 --> 02:03:01,380
 of scary.

1991
02:03:01,380 --> 02:03:02,380
 Right.

1992
02:03:02,380 --> 02:03:03,380
 I'm going to cut in.

1993
02:03:03,380 --> 02:03:04,380
 We're going a little deep for --

1994
02:03:04,380 --> 02:03:05,380
 Sorry, Trey.

1995
02:03:05,380 --> 02:03:06,380
 -- hosting.

1996
02:03:06,380 --> 02:03:07,380
 Sorry.

1997
02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:08,380
 Okay.

1998
02:03:08,380 --> 02:03:11,380
 I tried to let go a little bit, but --

1999
02:03:11,380 --> 02:03:12,380
 We can't help it.

2000
02:03:12,380 --> 02:03:13,380
 So, Trey, that begs my next question.

2001
02:03:13,380 --> 02:03:15,500
 Can we discuss the email that I sent you this morning?

2002
02:03:15,500 --> 02:03:16,500
 Oh, yeah.

2003
02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:17,500
 We can discuss that.

2004
02:03:17,500 --> 02:03:18,500
 Okay.

2005
02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:23,620
 So if you remember, the last meeting, we had a no parking request on a tiny little piece

2006
02:03:23,620 --> 02:03:24,620
 of curb.

2007
02:03:24,620 --> 02:03:25,620
 Yes.

2008
02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:27,140
 And everyone was like, "Well, that's already in the ordinance.

2009
02:03:27,140 --> 02:03:28,300
 Why is it here?"

2010
02:03:28,300 --> 02:03:30,740
 So this is kind of an FYI.

2011
02:03:30,740 --> 02:03:35,980
 If a traffic control device is already authorized by city code, we're probably not going to

2012
02:03:35,980 --> 02:03:36,980
 bring those to you.

2013
02:03:36,980 --> 02:03:40,300
 In fact, we're not going to bring those to you unless there are extenuating circumstances

2014
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:42,320
 that make it really, really unique.

2015
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:48,840
 So we've got some situations where the ordinance already says you have to leave ten feet of

2016
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:54,260
 travel way in both directions, and if there's no way you can do that and allow on-street

2017
02:03:54,260 --> 02:03:56,460
 parking, we're going to restrict the parking.

2018
02:03:56,460 --> 02:03:59,480
 So it's kind of an FYI.

2019
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:02,420
 We were all talking about it last time, and it was like, "It's already there.

2020
02:04:02,420 --> 02:04:03,420
 We don't have to do this.

2021
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:04,860
 Do we really have to take action?"

2022
02:04:04,860 --> 02:04:08,340
 And the answer is no, you don't, and we probably won't bring those items to you.

2023
02:04:08,340 --> 02:04:14,980
 We can bring you an informational item that here's what we did since the last meeting,

2024
02:04:14,980 --> 02:04:16,700
 and these were all authorized.

2025
02:04:16,700 --> 02:04:21,460
 All these devices were authorized by the current code just to keep you up to speed on what

2026
02:04:21,460 --> 02:04:25,260
 we're doing, but we're not going to go through the request because it doesn't have to go

2027
02:04:25,260 --> 02:04:26,260
 to council.

2028
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:28,740
 Council has already authorized it.

2029
02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:33,420
 I think we would like to be updated, again, because people will ask us, and then we have

2030
02:04:33,420 --> 02:04:38,260
 the opportunity to say, "This is why, and this is the way it ought to be."

2031
02:04:38,260 --> 02:04:39,260
 Yeah.

2032
02:04:39,260 --> 02:04:40,260
 Okay.

2033
02:04:40,260 --> 02:04:43,500
 So that's all I have as far as the staff reports.

2034
02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:44,500
 Okay.

2035
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:47,500
 Anybody have anything to add to the matrix?

2036
02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:48,500
 Okay.

2037
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:49,500
 All right.

2038
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:50,500
 We're done with you.

2039
02:04:50,500 --> 02:04:59,100
 All right, and with that, unless anybody has anything else that you just have to say, Jim,

2040
02:04:59,100 --> 02:05:08,340
 we will adjourn at 738 p.m.