WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:17.640 We are here for the mobility committee in the council work session room. 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.440 It appears as though a quorum is present. 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:25.740 We've added a couple of additional people to this committee and we're going to have 00:00:25.740 --> 00:00:30.480 some explanation in that regard here in just a moment. 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.600 Do we have any citizen's comments available? 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.640 Did we get anything from citizens or anyone here? 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:40.640 Visitors? 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:41.640 Okay. 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.840 All right, so we're going to move on. 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:52.280 So items for individual consideration, AMC 24-002, receive nominations and elect the 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:56.000 committee chair and vice chair. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.920 Yes, Councilmember Beck. 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:06.280 I'm going to move that we generally keep the structure the way it was even though it was 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:12.360 technically a different committee and therefore for this first half of the item, I'm going 00:01:12.360 --> 00:01:14.680 to nominate you for chair. 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:15.680 Okay. 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.000 Thank you. 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.440 And I will accept the nomination. 00:01:18.440 --> 00:01:20.440 Let me have a second. 00:01:20.440 --> 00:01:22.560 I'll second. 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:23.560 Okay. 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:24.560 All right. 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:25.560 Moved and second. 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.560 Can we get a vote? 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:27.560 Yay. 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:28.560 Yes. 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:29.560 Raise your hand. 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:30.560 You raise your hand. 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.560 And we're kind of informal, a little bit informal. 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.560 I would like to see all of your qualifications for the position first of all. 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:37.560 I have a car. 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:38.560 Hey, hey, you drive one of them, Rose. 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:39.560 All right. 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:40.560 Yes, I do. 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:41.560 That's good enough for me then. 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:42.560 Well, all right. 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:43.560 Let's move to second. 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.560 You got my vote. 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:50.880 I'm going to approve that I will state a position as the committee chair and now we have a vice 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:51.880 chair. 00:01:51.880 --> 00:01:54.880 We have a motion for vice chair. 00:01:54.880 --> 00:01:58.920 Dr. Becker, are we doing the same thing? 00:01:58.920 --> 00:01:59.920 Will you accept? 00:01:59.920 --> 00:02:00.920 Same thing? 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:06.040 I will accept it if you're motioning otherwise, if everyone continues to send other hands, 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:08.040 I will nominate myself. 00:02:08.040 --> 00:02:09.040 Yes. 00:02:09.040 --> 00:02:11.040 I would like to nominate Dr. Becker as vice chair. 00:02:11.040 --> 00:02:12.040 All right. 00:02:12.040 --> 00:02:13.040 We have a second. 00:02:13.040 --> 00:02:14.040 Okay. 00:02:14.040 --> 00:02:15.040 We have a second. 00:02:15.040 --> 00:02:16.040 Okay. 00:02:16.040 --> 00:02:20.940 So it's been moved to second and accepted by Dr. Becker for vice chair. 00:02:20.940 --> 00:02:24.680 So we'll put that on the roll. 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:25.680 Is there any discussion? 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:26.680 Is there any discussion? 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:27.680 I've got one point. 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:28.680 Okay. 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:29.680 We have one point. 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:30.680 Yeah. 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:31.680 I understand why the chair should be a council member. 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:32.680 Yes. 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:34.680 I don't love that the vice chair should be a council member. 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.800 I would rather the vice chair not be a council member, but I understand. 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.800 I'm not crying. 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:39.800 I'm just putting it out there. 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.360 Is there any further discussion? 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:49.200 The ordinance that established the committee does state that the chair and vice chair have 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:50.200 to be council members. 00:02:50.200 --> 00:02:51.200 Yes. 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:52.200 I know. 00:02:52.200 --> 00:02:53.200 I know. 00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:54.200 I'm just crying publicly. 00:02:54.200 --> 00:02:55.200 Okay. 00:02:55.200 --> 00:02:56.200 I just wanted to clarify. 00:02:56.200 --> 00:02:57.200 Yes. 00:02:57.200 --> 00:02:58.200 Clarification. 00:02:58.200 --> 00:02:59.200 Okay. 00:02:59.200 --> 00:03:00.200 So is vote in order? 00:03:00.200 --> 00:03:01.200 Yes. 00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:02.200 Read your name. 00:03:02.200 --> 00:03:03.200 Yes. 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:04.200 All right. 00:03:04.200 --> 00:03:05.200 So it's been approved that the vice chair would continue to be Dr. Becker. 00:03:05.200 --> 00:03:12.200 I will move on to be MC 24-003. 00:03:12.200 --> 00:03:18.680 Receive a report, hold a discussion and approve the mobility committee 2024 meeting schedule. 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:26.180 Is there a presentation? 00:03:26.180 --> 00:03:32.440 We don't have a presentation for this one, but Megan's gonna show you the proposed schedule. 00:03:32.440 --> 00:03:39.160 It's the last Wednesday of every month and the red circles are the proposed meeting dates 00:03:39.160 --> 00:03:40.160 at 10 a.m. 00:03:40.160 --> 00:03:41.160 Yes. 00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:43.040 We have a question. 00:03:43.040 --> 00:03:50.320 Madam chair, I don't love September, so why do we have three council meetings in September? 00:03:50.320 --> 00:03:53.920 Due to budget. 00:03:53.920 --> 00:03:58.960 Is one of them intended to be a placeholder in case like we've done in previous years 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.420 or are we set, we're gonna do three? 00:04:02.420 --> 00:04:07.560 So the current budget calendar is scheduled for budget adoption on the 17th. 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:13.160 However, if we don't get council consensus on the 17th, it'll move to the 24th. 00:04:13.160 --> 00:04:16.400 So that's the contingency meeting, if you will. 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:18.120 The 24th is a contingency meeting. 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:19.120 Yes. 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.120 Okay. 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.520 Which mirrors what we've done in the previous two years, right? 00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:26.080 We've actually moved the schedule up compared to the last two years. 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:31.080 Usually you're adopting the very last meeting in September, so we've proposed to adopt at 00:04:31.080 --> 00:04:32.080 that second meeting. 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:34.720 I mean, I know what I'm talking about, that extra meeting as a placeholder because I don't 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:36.520 believe we used that the previous year. 00:04:36.520 --> 00:04:37.520 Correct. 00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:38.520 Okay. 00:04:38.520 --> 00:04:39.520 All right. 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:40.520 Then that's my qualms. 00:04:40.520 --> 00:04:41.520 All right. 00:04:41.520 --> 00:04:42.520 You sure have a lot of qualms. 00:04:42.520 --> 00:04:43.520 I do. 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:44.520 You know what? 00:04:44.520 --> 00:04:45.520 You're really getting reeled up. 00:04:45.520 --> 00:04:46.520 I know. 00:04:46.520 --> 00:04:47.520 Pray for me. 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:48.520 Okay. 00:04:48.520 --> 00:04:49.520 We'll pray for you. 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:50.520 I'm on one. 00:04:50.520 --> 00:04:51.520 All right. 00:04:51.520 --> 00:04:52.520 Is there any other questions after this? 00:04:52.520 --> 00:04:53.520 Yeah. 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:54.520 I don't have any problem with the schedule. 00:04:54.520 --> 00:05:03.920 I know everyone that I'm out in July, so whatever that means ... I mean, we have additional members 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:11.240 now, so it should be easy to achieve quorum, so it should matter less that I am out, but 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:16.680 I just throw that out there for people's future planning and consideration. 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:23.080 Do any of our new members see anything in this regard, the time factor involved? 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:25.840 We used to meet a little earlier. 00:05:25.840 --> 00:05:26.840 Things like that can change. 00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:27.840 Yes, ma'am? 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:28.840 Do you have it? 00:05:28.840 --> 00:05:29.840 Is this on? 00:05:29.840 --> 00:05:30.840 Yes. 00:05:30.840 --> 00:05:31.840 It's on. 00:05:31.840 --> 00:05:32.840 Okay. 00:05:32.840 --> 00:05:33.840 Thank you. 00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:34.840 As far as I know, I'm available for all. 00:05:34.840 --> 00:05:39.120 10 a.m. works great for me. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.040 I was going to cry about 10, but I can put my finger up and tell which way the wind blows. 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:45.040 It's okay. 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:46.040 Okay. 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.040 Y'all who don't want to get up early, it's all right. 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.040 All right. 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:49.040 Love y'all anyway. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.040 As long as you're here by 10, I'm too. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.040 Anyone want to meet on Christmas? 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:53.040 I'm open to that. 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:54.040 Just so we can slot a week. 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:55.040 All right. 00:05:55.040 --> 00:06:00.040 Well, it sounds like we have a consensus that these dates will be okay. 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:09.000 We don't have to vote on that. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:10.000 We have the motion. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:11.000 All right. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.000 So we have motion to approve. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.640 The date says noted. 00:06:14.640 --> 00:06:15.640 Motion to approve. 00:06:15.640 --> 00:06:16.640 Okay. 00:06:16.640 --> 00:06:17.640 Second. 00:06:17.640 --> 00:06:18.640 Second. 00:06:18.640 --> 00:06:19.640 So it's been moved and second. 00:06:19.640 --> 00:06:20.640 Discussion. 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:21.640 Any additional discussion? 00:06:21.640 --> 00:06:22.640 Okay. 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:23.640 All right. 00:06:23.640 --> 00:06:24.640 So let's vote on that. 00:06:24.640 --> 00:06:25.640 Say aye. 00:06:25.640 --> 00:06:26.640 Raise your hand. 00:06:26.640 --> 00:06:27.640 Aye. 00:06:27.640 --> 00:06:28.640 Aye. 00:06:28.640 --> 00:06:29.640 All right. 00:06:29.640 --> 00:06:30.640 So it's unanimous. 00:06:30.640 --> 00:06:32.160 Thank you for that. 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:39.840 So we'll move on to CMC two fours dash zero zero four received training and hold a discussion 00:06:39.840 --> 00:06:45.320 regarding the roles and responsibility of the mobility advisory committee and new member 00:06:45.320 --> 00:06:49.160 orientation. 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:53.400 Good morning, chair, vice chair, members of the mobility committee, Cassie Ogden, assistant 00:06:53.400 --> 00:06:54.400 city manager. 00:06:54.400 --> 00:06:58.720 First, I want to start by welcoming our new members to the mobility committee. 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:07.600 We're excited you're here brief orientation, not very long, but because the committee makeup 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:11.880 has changed, just kind of go over the roles of the committee, kind of what you can expect 00:07:11.880 --> 00:07:17.560 on the agendas moving forward and the staff members that you'll be seeing presenting information. 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:23.640 So as you know, council approved the ordinance that created this committee in January. 00:07:23.640 --> 00:07:25.840 It is an advisory committee to council. 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:29.260 And so the chair and vice chair must be council members. 00:07:29.260 --> 00:07:34.020 And that was at the direction of this committee, the previous committee, I should say mobility 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:38.480 committee when it was a subcommittee of council. 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:43.440 Our meetings, as you just approved, are held the last Wednesday of each month at 10 a.m. 00:07:43.440 --> 00:07:45.440 right here in the work session room. 00:07:45.440 --> 00:07:50.520 Our meetings are recorded, and the video agenda and minutes are posted on the city's website. 00:07:50.520 --> 00:07:53.600 If you don't have the address, I'm happy to provide that. 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:57.560 In the absence of the city council adopted rules of procedures, we follow Robert's rules 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:58.640 of orders. 00:07:58.640 --> 00:08:02.840 If you need any additional training that is available through the city secretary's office. 00:08:02.840 --> 00:08:07.300 And we do have opportunity for citizens to comment on agenda items. 00:08:07.300 --> 00:08:13.240 So those each speaker is given a total of three minutes per agenda item. 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.280 So the role of the committee and this is really outlined in the ordinance that was that established 00:08:17.280 --> 00:08:19.060 the committee. 00:08:19.060 --> 00:08:23.640 So this committee provides information advice and makes recommendations to city council 00:08:23.640 --> 00:08:29.460 regarding traffic safety, education, publicity, ways of improving traffic conditions and safety 00:08:29.460 --> 00:08:35.180 for motor vehicles, ways and means of improving bicycle and pedestrian safety and implementation 00:08:35.180 --> 00:08:38.700 of traffic control devices. 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:44.840 Our agendas, you can expect to see a monthly status for on system projects provided by 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.420 our consultant, innovative transportation solutions, you're going to be hearing from 00:08:48.420 --> 00:08:53.600 John Polster next on the agenda, he will get an update of all of those kind of projects 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.880 related to state highways. 00:08:55.880 --> 00:09:01.280 City council or I'm sorry, city staff provides city specific transportation project updates 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:04.720 in the way of presentations and or staff memos. 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:09.440 These are for informational purposes, usually no committee action item is required. 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:15.800 And then the way to add new items to the agenda, those we do have a future agenda topics matrix 00:09:15.800 --> 00:09:18.500 that we keep track of new agenda items. 00:09:18.500 --> 00:09:20.480 It's provided as part of the backup. 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:25.360 But any new agenda topics are added at the chair's discretion. 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:29.840 And then I wanted to give some staff introductions for those of you that may not know. 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:36.040 Again, I've already introduced myself, but then as our committee parliamentarian, he 00:09:36.040 --> 00:09:40.680 is from our city attorney's office, he's the first assistant city attorney. 00:09:40.680 --> 00:09:46.720 So if there's any legal questions or issues with council procedures, he's he's the man 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.000 to ask Scott McDonald is not here today, but he's our director of development services 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.640 over planning and then building inspections. 00:09:54.640 --> 00:10:02.520 And I apologized already to Dr. Farhan, but but he is our deputy director of transportation. 00:10:02.520 --> 00:10:04.680 I did not put his title on here. 00:10:04.680 --> 00:10:06.680 So that is my apologies. 00:10:06.680 --> 00:10:11.240 But he's all things transportation planning related, you'll be hearing from him shortly 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.380 and next couple of agenda items. 00:10:14.380 --> 00:10:18.560 We also have a general manager of engineering capital projects position that's currently 00:10:18.560 --> 00:10:19.560 vacant. 00:10:19.560 --> 00:10:21.440 We are going through a recruitment process. 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:26.160 So I'll be giving you updates probably at the next meeting on on that. 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:29.380 And then Trevor crane is our director of capital projects. 00:10:29.380 --> 00:10:33.320 He's the one you want to talk to when all of those construction projects are causing 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.640 you traffic delays. 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:46.560 And then our deputy city engineer, also here, and you'll be hearing from him also. 00:10:46.560 --> 00:10:50.800 I wanted to provide some additional resources for you, the handbook for boards and commission 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:52.400 members you should have already received. 00:10:52.400 --> 00:10:56.240 But if you didn't, please let me know and we'll get with city secretary's office. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.360 I've linked all of the other items directly to the website. 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:05.240 So the mobility plan, our comp plan, our vision zero plan, our capital improvement plan, which 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:10.760 is our funding mechanism, how we how we're planning to use those funds for the projects. 00:11:10.760 --> 00:11:15.280 And then our development services website just has general development code design documents, 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:19.500 criteria manuals, everything you want to know about developing in Denton. 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:23.720 Hopefully these are good resources for you, but I'm happy to provide more if you need 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.960 if you have any specific questions. 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:27.960 And that is all I have. 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.520 And I'm happy to take any questions that you may have. 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:31.520 Yes. 00:11:31.520 --> 00:11:40.160 I'm curious, will there be an alternate member for this committee? 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:45.000 It's not currently outlined in the ordinance that I've that I'm aware of. 00:11:45.000 --> 00:12:00.040 I didn't see that's why I asked any other questions. 00:12:00.040 --> 00:12:01.040 I have a question. 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:02.040 Yes. 00:12:02.040 --> 00:12:07.900 So I understand that the topics that are added will be at the discretion of the chair. 00:12:07.900 --> 00:12:15.880 Are those topics going to you all go to the city and they're going to come to me or will 00:12:15.880 --> 00:12:21.920 they be discussed here first and then we could talk about adding them or not? 00:12:21.920 --> 00:12:27.160 Yes, that's generally how we deal with the discussion amongst the committee members about 00:12:27.160 --> 00:12:28.560 potential topics. 00:12:28.560 --> 00:12:33.600 And then we'll get your direction on where to add them and what day you would like to 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.600 see it on the agenda. 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:35.600 Okay. 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:36.600 All right. 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.600 Thank you. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:38.600 Thank you. 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:39.600 Any other questions? 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:40.600 Everybody has an opportunity. 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:41.600 Okay. 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:42.600 Thank you very much. 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:47.400 It's Cassie. 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:54.040 So we'll move on to DMC two three days zero seven eight receive a report and hold a discussion 00:12:54.040 --> 00:13:09.360 regarding city of didn't transportation mobility project status report. 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.800 My name is John Polster. 00:13:11.800 --> 00:13:16.520 Now you work with innovative transportation solutions and I've been working with the city 00:13:16.520 --> 00:13:26.080 for probably two decades now on all things text I related and this is the report we provide 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:34.480 monthly and we'll go over it and I may do it in a little bit more detail than usual 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:41.600 since we have new members and in the physical report if you may have it on your laptops 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:49.440 at the back there's a glossary of terms that you can either ask me or look because transportation 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.760 has its own language. 00:13:52.760 --> 00:13:59.640 So first this is just a general look at what we think the total cost of these projects 00:13:59.640 --> 00:14:07.240 are going to be that we're working on and who is the primary mover on it outside of 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:13.160 the city or the state and the dollar amounts associated with those projects so we're about 00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:19.800 to go over just shy of five billion dollars worth of roadway improvements and so the first 00:14:19.800 --> 00:14:25.440 one I'll go over this what you see on the spreadsheet first and then it references a 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:33.520 map that has color coding but what I always provide the committee is the CSJ which is 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:39.560 basically the social security number of the project what we're doing what it's going 00:14:39.560 --> 00:14:45.640 to cost and then if there's money in this category column that means it's funded either 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:53.720 partially or fully and then there are the key dates that you have to hit to get a project 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.920 under construction is you got to get a schematic approved which is basically a general idea 00:14:58.920 --> 00:15:06.800 what the road is environmental clearance then once you're cleared you begin right away acquisition 00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:12.640 and then once that right away acquisition is completed you start making relocations to 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:19.140 any utilities are in conflict and then once you get those four things done the projects 00:15:19.140 --> 00:15:23.800 is considered what we say ready to let and ready to let means that all four of those 00:15:23.800 --> 00:15:28.960 things are done and if it doesn't have a let date that means that there's probably not 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:36.640 funding for the project yet and part of what our firm does for the city is assisting getting 00:15:36.640 --> 00:15:42.880 those dollars from the state or the council governments and the let date is when it actually 00:15:42.880 --> 00:15:50.000 will go to construction or be let out for a bid for the contractors this project is 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:58.360 split into four different segments for various reasons the blue one is actually under construction 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:06.000 now it was part of the 455 improvements from the high school on the east out to the western 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:13.480 part of the county and so we included that interchange in that 455 project and then the 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:18.160 other three projects are broken out by cost because if they go above a certain dollar 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:25.320 amount they are held to a little bit higher scrutiny so what the state does is they simply 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.840 break them down into smaller projects the one that the city is most interested in is 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:38.800 a section from 77 north to basically just south of Sanger and that project is 074 and 00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:52.480 it has a ready to let March of 2025 and essentially that means that all of these utilities that 00:16:52.480 --> 00:17:00.120 you see on the sheet in one place or another you'll see that they're going to be done 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:10.040 by March of 2024 and that sets your ready to let date for that segment the yellow when 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:14.560 you see yellow on the report that means it changed from last month when you saw it that 00:17:14.560 --> 00:17:20.320 way you don't have to guess what's different on the report and when you're dealing with 00:17:20.320 --> 00:17:25.560 utilities you want to see yellow all the time because you want something to have been done 00:17:25.560 --> 00:17:36.040 since the last time we met so that's that's the 35 job it's a it's a 800 million dollar 00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:46.640 project from 77 north all the way to the cook denton county line and if you got questions 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:51.040 just raise your hands or whatever though okay I think we have a question here is it appropriate 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:56.740 to interject here absolutely it's your committee well I mean I just want you to make sure that 00:17:56.740 --> 00:18:02.520 you're done you know yes ma'am more you're okay so what we'll do is whenever you're done 00:18:02.520 --> 00:18:07.080 with your presentation on each one of them yes ma'am instead of us interjecting while 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:15.720 you're going through the front pro going through it yes sir so I know that there were changes 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:25.220 in their ongoing variabilities in the rodeo property placement in 74 the outer loop connectivity 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:31.220 I think a meeting or maybe two ago you were talking about pumping into the aquifer plants 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:39.560 in this region have any of those impacted 74 in so yes sir changes and I was going to 00:18:39.560 --> 00:18:44.920 cover that in the outer loop but we'll do it here oh seven four includes where the outer 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:54.820 loop is going to hit my road the outer loop won't be cleared until I think 26 this project 00:18:54.820 --> 00:19:00.080 goes under the knife next year so they're going to be building where we where the city 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:07.580 has the outer loop and your thoroughfare plan and master plan is around my road but we don't 00:19:07.580 --> 00:19:14.520 know exactly where the outer loops going to tie into my 35 mile on because of the expo 00:19:14.520 --> 00:19:21.280 and all the development on the west side of 35 and you'll note the malam go straight over 00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:30.520 to 156 we want to hold that corridor because that will help us in the future when 156 becomes 00:19:30.520 --> 00:19:38.280 the outer outer loop but since the expo we won't know what's going on with the expo for 00:19:38.280 --> 00:19:44.940 another six or seven months 35 has got to go under the knife right now what text that's 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:52.480 agreed to do is that malam road instead of having a 200 foot opening for malam road they're 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.480 going to have a thousand foot long bridge where they're just going to take the road 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:04.080 up and keep it up for a thousand feet from where malam road north hits to south of where 00:20:04.080 --> 00:20:08.560 malam road south hit so we can bring the outer loop anywhere we need to within that thousand 00:20:08.560 --> 00:20:27.040 feet based upon what happens on the expo so you got you know i've got let me see if it 00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:32.080 shows it probably doesn't show better on the outer loop so malam road hits on the east 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:43.240 it hits north and then on the west it hits south so we're talking about is y'all usually 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:47.840 have it on right where malam hits on the north though the coming on the east side it's kind 00:20:47.840 --> 00:20:52.640 of where you wanted it on your thoroughfare plan but the region's also saying we need 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:59.400 to be able to get that road further east or west to 156 and with the expo going there 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:06.600 malam road going west is a natural corridor for the expo to leave so we can't say where 00:21:06.600 --> 00:21:11.120 the outer loop is going to be till it's environmentally cleared but so the state's going to leave 00:21:11.120 --> 00:21:18.760 a thousand foot bridge hole for us to get under depending on where we hit in that orientation 00:21:18.760 --> 00:21:26.920 hi john i'm susie and i know you've been here for a hot minute because i was watching 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.460 a video from 2007 and you popped up and i was like man he's been here for a while so 00:21:31.460 --> 00:21:36.880 appreciate all your work i have a general question so sometimes if residents are going 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:42.480 to an input meeting for a tech stop project sometimes it it feels like this has already 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:47.720 been pretty set correct kind of at what point does it become pretty set where it's really 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.520 hard to change anything significant excellent question so the life of a project in the state's 00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:59.560 world when you first start doing the schematic you have what's called public meetings and 00:21:59.560 --> 00:22:04.440 typically the state requires whoever's doing the work at least three public meetings during 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:11.240 the life of the project those meetings are actually meetings where the schematics are 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.520 laid out the people come in they tell you where they live they tell you what the concerns 00:22:15.520 --> 00:22:25.040 are and then the state and the consultant try to minimize those impacts as much as possible 00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:29.480 as the project progresses and the schematic gets approved and it moves into full environmental 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:34.680 clearance the last thing that you do for the project is have what's called a public hearing 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:41.680 and those are the ones you probably feel like you have less input than the other meetings 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:48.360 and that's because you do have less input it's a when they say it's a public hearing 00:22:48.360 --> 00:22:52.200 they're there to literally hear what you have to say and then they won't respond to you 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:59.000 at the meeting they will respond to the document so that when the document is submitted to 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:04.320 the federal highway administration via state they will have responded to your answers questions 00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:08.160 in the document and the only way to get the answer after the public hearing is to go get 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:15.560 the document after it's approved and read what they said so lots of involvement up front 00:23:15.560 --> 00:23:22.560 but once they land on a alignment that's called technically preferred and locally preferred 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:27.640 you hopefully get the one that's both of those because locally preferred is easier to get 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:35.200 through the process than technically preferred once thought that that alignment is identified 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:41.600 and cleared it's almost impossible to move that project from that point so the schematic 00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:46.080 phase is probably the most important absolutely and at the end of the schematic does that 00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:51.160 include right away how much so yes though what the schematic does is it shows you where 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:56.800 the road is from looking down from a satellite how wide it's going to be and who all it 00:23:56.800 --> 00:24:03.880 impact and it comes down it looks at it at the horizontal view to see where it's cutting 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:08.880 hills down and where it's filling in gaps so you can tell what the grade changes are 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:13.040 and it tells you what the maximum impact is going to be for the project the difference 00:24:13.040 --> 00:24:18.120 between a schematic and the plan document is a plan document goes and designs the pavement 00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:22.360 design tells you where the columns are how many bridge vents are going to be in it but 00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:26.360 the schematic tells you what the road is going to be and what the impacts are going to be 00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:32.200 on the environment thank you appreciate it and then that also you know puts in the mind 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:38.680 that that since we are talking about the outer loop there's been conversations about what 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:43.160 it's going to look like so input to being made all right now even though we don't see 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:48.760 anything we can't really imagine it but we know it's going to be huge you know so that 00:24:48.760 --> 00:24:52.040 that just kind of ties in right now the timing on the outer lip when we get there I'll tell 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:57.480 I'll say this again the this is the best time for the outer lip to be done because right 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:03.800 now it's a 23 mile long corridor and we have 21 displacements so it's less than one per 00:25:03.800 --> 00:25:11.320 mile which if you just go into Collin county on their outer loop it's about 20 per mile 00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:18.440 thank you any other questions okay thank you sir okay the next one south of there is the 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:25.520 previous one was from 77 north this is from 77 down to the merge between 35 e and w and 00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:32.560 it will go under under the knife in april they will be led in april some of the utilities 00:25:32.560 --> 00:25:39.840 will have a little bit longer time frame to be cleared but what the state will do is they'll 00:25:39.840 --> 00:25:48.000 let it in april with special provisions for a delayed start so they'll award the contract 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.680 but the contractor will bid the project all the contractors will bid the project no and 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:58.120 they have a delayed start on the project so if you award the contract and then you have 00:25:58.120 --> 00:26:06.000 to delay the project the contractor has cause for for compensation but if you put the delayed 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.880 start up front and they bid it that way they bid it knowing and so that's what we're going 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.880 to do we're going to let the project and the reason we're doing that is because the of 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:24.560 the 480 million so these two projects right here are 1.2 billion dollars worth of improvements 00:26:24.560 --> 00:26:31.520 that are happening in and around city of denton on the on the northwest side of the community 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:43.520 of the 480 340 of it is what's called category 12 and category 12 funds have a provision 00:26:43.520 --> 00:26:52.280 that if you don't hit the let date that you were assigned you're not guaranteed that money 00:26:52.280 --> 00:27:00.080 when you are ready so it's a strong incentive not to miss your mark and so we're not going 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:11.520 to miss our mark and it'll go because of the new members from the merge on 35a up to 380 00:27:11.520 --> 00:27:20.480 what will be included since this is the ultimate cross section will be the told managed land 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.400 concrete they won't be a toll managed line yet because there's not one between there 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:29.560 and the lake but as we build these breakout projects like we're doing it may which will 00:27:29.560 --> 00:27:34.200 go over in a second they build the ultimate cross section and the ultimate cross section 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:42.120 for 35a through 380 all the way to Dallas is three general purpose lanes up here and 00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:48.320 then two reversible managed lanes I mean two concurrent managed lanes wanted to in each 00:27:48.320 --> 00:27:53.280 direction so the total of four until you get to the merge and it drops down to one in each 00:27:53.280 --> 00:27:59.160 direction because of the line balance going up to 380 so all the bridge structures that 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.280 you see that we're going to be building on this section 35 will be significantly wider 00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:07.240 than what we need for the six lines of traffic because we're also building the payment for 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:18.840 the future told managed lines I'm done I would probably say this is my personally aside from 00:28:18.840 --> 00:28:24.160 a hill this is the the one that I'm most excited about I know that we've had a significant 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:31.960 number of fatalities and crashes and you know rearranging of lanes and and all of that that's 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:36.600 come along but I'm really glad to see that this is proceeding ahead and we're seeing 00:28:36.600 --> 00:28:43.440 2024 yeah you know that's significant for us so this also includes braided ramps and 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.180 what that is if you just if you drive down 35w and you go into Fort Worth right before 00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:51.800 you get to North Fort Worth you see where Western Center Boulevard is you got those 00:28:51.800 --> 00:28:57.440 big giant exit ramps and on ramps in the same location though they're great separated they 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.920 call those braids and this will have braided ramps on both the northbound and southbound 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.600 side so all of that traffic that backs up and clogs up now because they're all trying 00:29:06.600 --> 00:29:12.840 to do this will not occur because they'll be doing this they won't be conflicting with 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:27.200 each other so it should make that a significantly safer drive but it will be painful you don't 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:34.800 have to just just leave it on okay so it seems like a lot of times when we're widening a 00:29:34.800 --> 00:29:39.040 major road like this it at least regionally it feels like it's four to five years are 00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:43.400 we expecting about that long for construction construction start to construction finish 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:50.280 ish ish ish yeah so what happens when the contractor bids the project they bid a number 00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:54.760 of days as well but they're working days so they can be a five-day work week a six-day 00:29:54.760 --> 00:29:58.200 work week and that could change mid-stride depending upon if we had to do recovery or 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:05.000 whatever but what they do put in their bid document is they nobody owns their own barricades 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:10.000 all the barricades you see out there are rented and so they put in the number of months that 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.440 they think those barricades though that they're going to need those barricades so what we 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:20.500 do they let the project we communicate to you the number of months that they are renting 00:30:20.500 --> 00:30:24.960 those barricades and that gives you an idea what the contractor thinks the time frame 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.960 is but typically when you're taking a project like this unless it's a design build project 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:35.720 you're usually going to talk for four and a half years construction and the reason design 00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:42.000 bill can go faster is because they get to use what's called dynamic traffic control what 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:46.960 dynamic traffic control is is that you may go to work in the morning and the road is 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:51.540 in configuration a when you come back in the afternoon you're not guaranteed that it's 00:30:51.540 --> 00:30:58.600 in configuration a it could be in configuration d so they can move the traffic around dynamically 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:05.280 and on a design bid build project part of the bid is phasing of the project which is 00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:10.680 traffic control and that's locked in and they have to get changes from the state if they 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.800 want to change that traffic control and they have to come back to the city and make sure 00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:24.720 the city is okay with that a lot of the time let me let me say this I just want to be mindful 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:32.920 of our time no disrespect no I already know what I know I know and I'm recognizing that 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.800 you're it didn't try to give us as much as we can but we're in a time constraint for 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:45.200 all of us I'm talking to everybody in the room all right you'll just be mindful of you 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.320 know some some some you know some quick quick answers quick answers and questions yes sir 00:31:49.320 --> 00:31:57.480 you take the question no no no I didn't mean to run y'all no no no no I'm just saying 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.400 I know you know we got no we got a lot of stuff to cover okay I'll just say every fifth 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:09.880 word okay so Mayhill the utilities are mostly done the plant that's ready to let in November 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.240 of this year and we're going to try to move it up in this current unified transportation 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.960 plan which we start doing it in January and they have to approve it in August we're going 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.480 to try to move it up closer to the beginning of the year because the money's already there 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:29.540 it's just a matter of putting it in the right month this will be bigger than the interchange 00:32:29.540 --> 00:32:34.880 at 288 and 35 just get your mind around that this will have 12 lanes going under it 288 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:45.120 only has 10 I'm done any questions I'm excited about seeing that come through me too I live 00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:52.440 over there I'm ready for the Mayhill job to be done all right so 35 W frontage roads this 00:32:52.440 --> 00:33:00.100 is basically from just north is where the rural tracks are we say we say 2449 but it's 00:33:00.100 --> 00:33:04.200 going to go a little bit north of that all the way down to 407 we're only building the 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:12.020 frontage roads right now because we have four lanes of traffic the long short answer is 00:33:12.020 --> 00:33:14.820 the reason we're not doing the main lanes right now is because we want to do toll manage 00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:18.840 lanes in this corridor and right now it's not great it's not grandfathered so we're 00:33:18.840 --> 00:33:23.160 waiting for politics to change footprints the same so we're just building the frontage 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:33.880 roads I've got a question here so for that region I know a 2449 or whatever that road 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:41.120 they there's a because the creek bridges and everything there's a significant flooding 00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:49.760 issue that has been here forever right and and so what with this sort of phasing that 00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:55.080 you're describing what would we anticipate the flood management to be in that there is 00:33:55.080 --> 00:34:03.640 no nobody wants to do that job so from where the merge ends on the previous project and 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:09.040 where ours begins at 2449 that trauma area you're talking about is not in either one 00:34:09.040 --> 00:34:13.800 of those jobs so they're probably going to do it when we come back and do the main lanes 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:22.320 which is a long time we're doing the 2449 to 407 and 407 to dell earnhardt and then 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.660 someday we're going to come back and do the creek because there's no developable land 00:34:26.660 --> 00:34:37.880 there it is just a flood issue and so it's going to be the last man standing okay this 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:45.200 is when I say 383 77 it's basically 380 from Luke 288 out to 377 it's essentially done 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:51.320 we're doing a little bit of cleanup on the east end of the project as it ties into the 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:59.880 next project that's being built but essentially it's open to traffic is six lanes with the 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:07.560 raised median and after we're done they'll be lighting on the western part and a little 00:35:07.560 --> 00:35:11.560 bit on the eastern part but there will not be any continuous lighting in the core of 00:35:11.560 --> 00:35:19.000 engineers area because they don't allow it it freaks out the animals apparently the cars 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:24.960 don't do anything to them but the lights do oh you know and that was going to be my question 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:38.400 but my also my concern is is that those raised they don't have any reflection on them not 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:45.680 yes that the shopping is a stripping all that's the last thing that you'll do because they 00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:53.600 got a terrible the temporary markings first okay yeah I saw the truck go through last 00:35:53.600 --> 00:36:01.040 week and was putting some markings down on the road that was good anybody else on 380 00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:05.280 and so just for the new members what I do is the next page you see is a report that 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:10.240 we get from text art about the status and they tell us what they're doing what they've 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:17.600 done what they plan to do and any impacts to traffic so that the city can adapt and 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:24.120 deal with that going forward are you looking at furniture so down here on the bottom where 00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:31.280 it ties into 35 that's actually 2449 it'll be absorbed into the loop the loop 288 is 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.680 a controlled access facility that means it has main lanes frontage roads and grade separations 00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:43.480 at major cross streets and we are environmentally cleared back in 2020 it's going to take us 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.880 until December 24 this year to get all the right away which there's a report here it 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.320 tells you how many parcels we have and where we're at in that process and then we're in 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.400 the process of designing it we have about 4 million of the 220 million we need so between 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:05.680 now and April of 26 part of what we do for our clients has helped find that those dollars 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:11.720 and bring them to the project and we'll do the northbound inside frontage road first 00:37:11.720 --> 00:37:16.800 because that sets the developable parameters for the road so you can develop to the road 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.200 and not have to worry about in the future it changing because it'll be the northbound 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:28.120 frontage road can you give our new members an idea a visually of the idea of where that's 00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:32.920 going to be where it's going to begin we can see where it's going to begin 288 but where 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:39.080 it's going to end oh up by the north starts at 288 up north so whether your water tower 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:48.880 is where we're barely missing that water tower and then it curves south it hits 380 basically 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.880 that to where it says 288 that used to be where the city was going to do their next 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.480 runway 5000 foot out but then the airport decided they were only going to do one runway 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.360 where they were going to put the runway was the best place to put the road so we put the 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:08.160 road there so and then it ties in to 2499 right here at the curve 2449 at the curve 00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:15.240 and this is existing 2449 and then this is vintage going into town there'll be what's 00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:21.480 called direct connects those big bridges to go northbound to 288 and southbound to 288 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.120 but there will not be any direct connects going into vintage because it's a residential 00:38:25.120 --> 00:38:33.240 area and then there will be full direct connects at 288 north where you can go from 288 to 00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:40.800 go north 35 to 288 to go south 35 288 to go north 35 288 to go south 35 and not never 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:48.440 stop it interchange so on the first one on the environmental reevaluation what what what 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.640 generated the need for the reevaluation what what's going on there so when we came down 00:38:52.640 --> 00:39:00.640 here underwood so text that's when they did the schematic back in whenever the guy that 00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:06.040 was doing it for text that ignored your thoroughfare plan down in that area and they're not supposed 00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:10.440 to do that they're supposed to accommodate you so when we caught that we were already 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:16.600 in environmental clearance and right away acquisition and where the road needed to be 00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:21.960 wasn't hadn't been cleared yet because it was the wrong location we had in text I'd 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:26.480 had in the wrong location not not y'all so it was decided that it was important enough 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:31.480 to everybody to do a quick reeval while we were requiring the right-of-way to make sure 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:40.720 underwood ties in properly in the right location I appreciate that thank you all right 00:39:40.720 --> 00:40:02.040 so oftentimes folks who are fishing they pull off on the south side and when a lot of those 00:40:02.040 --> 00:40:05.560 folks from the city when they leave they've got to go to work crossroads and then hang 00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:10.080 a ui any idea what's gonna happen to that is that carve out gonna still be there for 00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:16.520 those folks to park and fish there it should be because it's actually it's an actual driveway 00:40:16.520 --> 00:40:20.920 and so if it was there before the state always puts it back and I go drive out there because 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:28.960 it should be there okay um any thought to adding some no u-turn signs might be safe 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.720 to make those when I'm headed to work early morning I see it oftentimes at that time of 00:40:32.720 --> 00:40:37.160 day when traffic is just to ramp it up any thought to maybe making those folks go down 00:40:37.160 --> 00:40:43.680 to that's 7-eleven on the corner and then turn there rather than hang a u-turn so the 00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:50.200 state allows u-turns at medians at the end when you see a no u-turn sign up it's because 00:40:50.200 --> 00:40:56.360 it's in the city of some city and the city has ordinance on on that so to the extent 00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:01.160 that it's within the city of Denton and you want to do look at that you can it's right 00:41:01.160 --> 00:41:09.240 on the bridge yeah no no but they build when they build a six-lane road they build it so 00:41:09.240 --> 00:41:14.480 that they when you make a u-turn it's supposed to be a safe movement last one when the when 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.280 the farmers market opens on Saturdays there's a lot of traffic and congestion going eastbound 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:24.000 in that right lane from people trying to get in trying to find parking any idea how to 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:31.520 navigate that that should be a Saturday morning headache yeah so when and I didn't make these 00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:34.680 rules up I'm just telling you what they tell you what they're gonna tell you when they 00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:40.560 build a six-lane facility like that the outside right lane is a essentially continuous right 00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:49.640 turn line so it's there for that reason so I don't know I can do that's official I appreciate 00:41:49.640 --> 00:41:55.040 well you know in the end you know just thinking about that there is a neighborhood called 00:41:55.040 --> 00:42:02.880 Lakeview out there where the where the road had been extended over one to make a safe 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:08.640 right turn right and then you go down and you have the farmers market and there's no 00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:15.400 you know bumping in to do that how does something like that work so like that I'll have to go 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.400 look because if that's I think that's something to do with the volume of the traffic on that 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:26.880 on that road typically the state doesn't do deceleration lanes on a six lane facility 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.960 but they will if the situation warrants it I think maybe the difference is because that's 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.960 a neighborhood there's constant in and out versus the Saturday morning situation where 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.360 you know we can we can expect for more traffic to be in that area on a Saturday morning so 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:50.280 I'm just trying to justify so up here where we were talking about 288 time into 35 at 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:58.520 the existing 288 what you have is that's this location right here and right now 288 by ordinance 00:42:58.520 --> 00:43:04.560 is operating as a freeway which means there's no access to the main lanes other than across 00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:10.360 street what this project does is adds the frontage roads to turn it into an actual controlled 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:16.120 access facility like the 288 that we just talked about is going to be and the what 380 00:43:16.120 --> 00:43:22.680 is going to be in the future so we're adding frontage roads and grade separations where 00:43:22.680 --> 00:43:29.440 the city is recommending or requesting them and where they make sense so it's a we just 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:37.320 started it we're looking at getting the schematic approved in January and then July of next 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.200 year so to answer your question we're getting pretty close to if you got concerns about 00:43:42.200 --> 00:43:51.640 what we're doing the state will be less and less receptive but we meet every two weeks 00:43:51.640 --> 00:43:57.280 with city staff or so on developments and everything to make sure that we're as much 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:04.760 on top of it as we can be thank you I have a you I always have a lot of questions on 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:10.240 this because it's my own territory and I hear from all the residents on this so I know that 00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:20.240 we're anticipating closing Kings Row connection where it is now or Kings Row connects in eastbound 00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:28.800 to the loop and opening up Windsor but then that does so you know that the precise alignment 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:34.520 is going to be all the devils in the details kind of thing because the logistics barn I've 00:44:34.520 --> 00:44:40.400 asked you about that the the the cemetery the the placement of the church the word where 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:48.480 we're going over the railroad so do we have enough feel for this final alignment that 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:53.480 we can talk about those issues yet absolutely we can we we had like I said we have fairly 00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:02.880 regular meetings about this and we met with what's the building out there the Southwire 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:09.960 so we actually met with Southwire text that city and county and said hey where we're coming 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.240 with that the one that was impacting the church those ones that were further to the east we 00:45:14.240 --> 00:45:19.160 nixed those because that was too many impacts too much trouble too much trauma and it wasn't 00:45:19.160 --> 00:45:25.480 doing what the original intent was which is directly connect 380 288 not be another extension 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:32.560 of the freeway so we pulled it in tighter we're basically hitting in the Southwire development 00:45:32.560 --> 00:45:39.160 and it was in those meetings that city staff said hey Windsor is going to be a pretty big 00:45:39.160 --> 00:45:45.240 deal in the future and it's hard for tech stock to get Kings Road to work so we were 00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:50.480 asking you to move that full grade separation to Windsor and then make it right in right 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.320 out but they only have to go to Windsor which will be Texas U-turns so they wanted to go 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.680 too far out of their way to go back the other direction but that was a week I think we do 00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:06.880 need to have a meeting on that specifically because that was a request made by city staff 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.920 your development folks and this is where we think the interchange needs to be and so we 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.520 adopted that. 00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:19.440 So I'm going to bounce off John and if staff and John could get together and let me know 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:25.200 what the anticipated alignments are because the questions that I'm getting are some of 00:46:25.200 --> 00:46:29.600 the ones you just brought up how are you going to go eastbound on Kings Road how are you going 00:46:29.600 --> 00:46:35.400 to get into Deerwood what's the bus route and the pedestrian bike routes going to be 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:43.880 because that's where they go through now excellent if the access ramp connects essentially across 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:50.160 from Windsor where Windsor is now the 380 access ramp what does that mean for the Windsor 00:46:50.160 --> 00:46:56.200 connection on the west side and how does that affect traffic so these are sort of questions 00:46:56.200 --> 00:47:01.880 that this this general northeast corridor is sort of like I can't envision it so they 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.840 don't know yet what whether to support or complain so I think I think what my I'm going 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:14.560 to jump out of my skis here but the state is in this process of the public hearing public 00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:20.160 meeting cycle so they want to hear about what needs to be done because now's the time to 00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:25.040 get it fixed the way we all want it so I think I won't go back to Texas and say hey maybe 00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:29.400 we can just make a small presentation to the mobility committee and treat it like a public 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:35.600 meeting since it's public publicized or whatever and just come in and kind of go over the nuts 00:47:35.600 --> 00:47:41.400 and bolts of it all I think I'd really appreciate that I think the neighbors would too you know 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:46.240 there's with with this connection with the outer loop connection that the northeast corridor 00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:50.360 is is getting a lot of well we'll call it love I'll put in air quotes right now it's 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:56.200 getting a lot of love right now and desktop on Friday last Friday they're doing mobility 00:47:56.200 --> 00:48:00.400 2050 update and they pulled me aside because I represent Denton County on the technical 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.560 committee and they said we're in the early stages but our mobility 2050 is showing two 00:48:05.560 --> 00:48:12.440 things that are are unique to what history has been in the past one is that Denton County's 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:18.200 demographics are going to exceed column counting so we're going to pass them up in population 00:48:18.200 --> 00:48:25.040 and they said the reason is is because we're our future focus on our infrastructure for 00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:29.840 that out year time frame from county line to county line and Collin County is only from 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:36.520 Collin County Denton County to about two miles east of 75 the rest of that's dragon country 00:48:36.520 --> 00:48:42.880 right there's no way to live out there there's more cattle than people so 288 is important 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:49.840 three eight is going to be a freeway out of loops important and that's just to stay even 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.800 with what we have now as far as congestion so what is it that set up no I'd love that 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:06.360 and if as part of that this is a common word of the staff the the sort of for the pieces 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:11.680 when so John's responsible for the tech stock components but like on Windsor at a certain 00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:17.160 distance for outside the right away from 288 it's back to our responsibility or it goes 00:49:17.160 --> 00:49:22.700 back away from being mixed right but then there's there's tremendous heartburn about 00:49:22.700 --> 00:49:26.880 opening that up because they don't they don't want that to be a speedway Windsor is already 00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:33.560 an arterial which is fine no one's really beefing about that it is what it is but there's 00:49:33.560 --> 00:49:40.080 concern that in that residential section opening up too much so the the thing that you know 00:49:40.080 --> 00:49:45.280 I will come back to you is traffic calming as you exit on to Windsor or you're going 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.000 from Windsor well you don't need traffic coming to get back on 288 but that that little piece 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:57.360 do we need some traffic calming just after we exit tech stock territory to to get them 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:03.680 quickly down to speed as it were right so so that's a city that's a city thing so if 00:50:03.680 --> 00:50:08.100 as part of that may be two segments that may be two different requests and I'll bring it 00:50:08.100 --> 00:50:13.840 up again in the matrix but if we could if we could get with John and give us some some 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.680 clues that way we get the feedback started now and the the more the earlier we get the 00:50:18.680 --> 00:50:24.520 feedback the less screaming and yelling there is we get to the official meetings thank you 00:50:24.520 --> 00:50:31.120 guys okay so I'm glad that you mentioned the population growth that's coming so I'm always 00:50:31.120 --> 00:50:37.320 thinking about you know long-term are we giving people multiple mobility option that takes 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.400 up a lot of space cost a lot of money to expand roads and keep them up and that kind of thing 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:48.160 so I did talk to Becky to Vinnie about this project before she left some of the key places 00:50:48.160 --> 00:50:54.560 that somebody on a bicycle crosses the loop right now is Sherman and Kings Row and so 00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:59.760 I was just wanting to make sure at this stage that we're considering is there are there 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.840 safe crossings to cross the loop at Sherman and it sounds like Windsor is going to be 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:08.320 the alternative later on because you know as time is going on it's getting more and 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.640 more uncomfortable and unsafe even for the really confident people to cross right there 00:51:11.640 --> 00:51:17.520 so I just want to make sure yes not only are we but because we all of the roads if you'll 00:51:17.520 --> 00:51:25.800 see like 380 going into Decatur there's sidewalks and in this segment on 380 going towards the 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:32.480 green belt we worked with the city to do a 10 foot shared use path so when we build a 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:36.740 road the Federal Highway Administration requires us to accommodate all modes of traffic and 00:51:36.740 --> 00:51:42.960 that includes bikes and pedestrians as well so yes those we I think the state is open 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.720 right now to finding where y'all want your crossings to be and how to make them safer 00:51:47.720 --> 00:51:54.640 there are pedestrian crossings and we can even though Kings Row may not traffic wise 00:51:54.640 --> 00:52:00.760 car wise cross there that doesn't mean that that we can't accommodate pedestrians in some 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.160 or bicycles of some manner it's just that we can't have one we can't have a split interchange 00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:11.240 that close together because of the traffic it's more just I guess emphasizing the crossing 00:52:11.240 --> 00:52:15.840 part because a lot of times we focus on corridors but not the actual crossing so it can be multiple 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.240 lanes of high-speed traffic you're crossing so I just want to make sure that's staying 00:52:19.240 --> 00:52:23.400 part of the conversation specifically with Sherman and I guess Windsor well our intent 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.360 is to separate the cross streets by great separation so you're not dealing with the high-speed 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.360 traffic anymore you're just dealing with the people that are going to turn on that road 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:42.240 thank you okay up here you see where we got this little part that's Bonnie brain segment 00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:48.120 seven we're in clearing that with our project on 288 but we hold it out as a separate project 00:52:48.120 --> 00:52:53.000 and show it to you what we're doing because you have it in your plan is Bonnie ray segment 00:52:53.000 --> 00:53:00.400 seven but the federal government cog in the state is paying for segment seven so that's 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:07.160 why we're clearing it but it's separate project for y'all that's it's short to you and this 00:53:07.160 --> 00:53:12.240 is it for John I apologize John but it it's just a bullet point that for me to bounce 00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:20.040 off of I know the the the residents in that area are concerned about the city's extension 00:53:20.040 --> 00:53:25.700 off of John's piece that's not fair to give you all the text but I'm just referring to 00:53:25.700 --> 00:53:33.640 it that way off of segment seven here above the yellow so if we as as I know that we don't 00:53:33.640 --> 00:53:39.640 have any concrete plans for north of this for the realignment as we re-engage north 00:53:39.640 --> 00:53:46.040 Bonnie Bray how we bend back to north Bonnie Bray but that alignment is of great concern 00:53:46.040 --> 00:53:52.640 to those residents again it's always the final alignment and devil's in the detail so if 00:53:52.640 --> 00:54:03.420 we could get some expectation of the kinds of guidance that we will be pursuing because 00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:08.240 I know we don't have a plan so I can't give them a plan but if we could get some some 00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:14.620 something tonight that can host a town hall and get them to where they're they're feeling 00:54:14.620 --> 00:54:22.040 like they're engaged on that sort of thing as we develop our plans north of the second 00:54:22.040 --> 00:54:31.800 seven thank you FM 1515 y'all call it Airport Road it's going to be six lanes from the freeway 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:39.120 to the airport and the state has made several changes over the life of this project to accommodate 00:54:39.120 --> 00:54:47.100 requests made by the city and that's because the city has agreed not I'm gonna take that 00:54:47.100 --> 00:54:54.120 back the intent is to have a negotiation and conversation about taking 1515 off system 00:54:54.120 --> 00:55:03.400 once it's built because it'll it'll basically be brand new concrete road and it's got a 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:11.280 ready to let of June of 2025 and we still got a little bit of way to do go on on the 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:17.680 funding yes we have one question yes I have one question this is another one I mentioned 00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:20.880 to Becky before she left and it looks like I may have missed the timeline a little bit 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:26.080 but are there going to be bicycle pedestrian so they'll be they'll be sidewalks I know 00:55:26.080 --> 00:55:30.520 that for sure because we're required to and I can't remember this project I'll have to 00:55:30.520 --> 00:55:34.600 go back and look at the cross-section because for a long time the federal government was 00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:40.480 requiring us to do a 14 foot outside lane right and that was the bicycle lane I don't 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:47.840 know if this was one of those that got done that way or they finally realized the bicycle 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.240 community didn't like the 14 foot outside line because that made them have to drive 00:55:51.240 --> 00:55:56.240 the outside two feet and they like to take up the whole road because it's safer so it 00:55:56.240 --> 00:56:00.760 doesn't accommodate anything so I have to go look but I do know there are sidewalks 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:07.080 and we should expect to hear that information the next time we meet I'll just go check and 00:56:07.080 --> 00:56:15.080 get it back with staff and I guess just publicly I do want to point out that this is a segment 00:56:15.080 --> 00:56:19.480 where I've heard a lot of feedback from the community of I want to get a job here but 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.440 I can't get there there's not there's not a safe way to get there if I don't have a 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.760 job so this is very important to people that they can access the really important jobs 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.320 out here so once we go to six lanes with the design we're talking about the road will 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:38.280 be significantly safer for all modes of traffic than it is right now is the Tulane Road looking 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:48.880 forward to it yeah I just want to stress that I I held a job out there and for co-workers 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.680 who maybe had car trouble right the job was paying $15 or $17 an hour if they had car 00:56:53.680 --> 00:56:57.240 trouble all of a sudden they couldn't get to work because they knew that crossing that 00:56:57.240 --> 00:57:00.960 bridge would probably end their life so I think that's very important even in a car 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:09.760 yeah but especially on foot or the new road will be significant you'll have more what 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.600 they call clear zone safe space in the middle and it's just a design is going to be different 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:21.920 and there will be sidewalks so if you have to walk there'll be a safe place to walk not 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:30.040 so sure about the bicycle stuff yet but I'll go look thank you 1173 is to the north going 00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:36.840 out to crumb it ties in at where 77 ties in we're going to try to get at least the part 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:44.440 of this project on the east side right away clear utilities move so we can build the connection 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:52.640 with the 35 projects so it's there when 1173 comes across a lot of yellow on there that's 00:57:52.640 --> 00:57:58.320 a good thing yes it's all the utilities and design outer loop we purposefully give you 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:05.840 a big green blob right because we started with 24 alignments and every line that has 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:10.560 a line on a map has somebody that Matt is mad about the line and those lines are there 00:58:10.560 --> 00:58:15.440 because we have to look at them because if somebody brings it up the federal government 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:23.440 requires us to go explain why that is a good or bad alignment but for those new it's already 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:29.280 established in Collin County at the toll road where it's going to hit it's called the roads 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.720 already there you can drive it's called the outer loop toll road northbound southbound 00:58:33.720 --> 00:58:37.360 frontage roads already there you can go all the way to Tioga so we know where we're going 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:43.120 to start at the county line we have to cross the green belt at 428 because the core says 00:58:43.120 --> 00:58:47.960 you're not crossing my green belt anywhere else besides where you already exist that's 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:55.360 150 feet of footprint and we need about 500 so right now we're looking at a concept to 00:58:55.360 --> 00:59:04.560 stack the freeway we had the frontage roads at grade in the 150 feet the main lanes will 00:59:04.560 --> 00:59:10.440 fold in up over them and in the same aerial footprint go over so that we don't miss the 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:17.200 we stay inside the 150 feet but that does make us move a historical bridge that the 00:59:17.200 --> 00:59:22.960 core is okay with us moving but Texas Parks and Wildlife isn't so we got to work that 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:28.480 work that out but we have to cross at the green belt and we already talked about Milam 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:35.520 part of the environmental clearance is what's called community cohesion and Aubrey Denton 00:59:35.520 --> 00:59:43.200 and not so much Creweville but uh strange enough pilot point comes down pretty far we 00:59:43.200 --> 00:59:48.200 have to hit generally where the city has the outer loop in their thoroughfare plan plus 00:59:48.200 --> 00:59:51.800 or minus and that's what we're trying to do y'all got it a mile on road and generally 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:57.040 speaking 35 being built it's pretty much going to put a stake in the ground there because 00:59:57.040 --> 01:00:03.440 we're going to hit that thousand foot area so those are our three controls Milam green 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:10.280 belt at 428 and Collin County's outer loop everything else there's flexibility to minimize 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:15.760 impact but right now we have to take two since it's a full-blown environmental impact statement 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:21.520 not just an environmental assessment we had to take two alignments through the public 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:27.720 hearing process which means there's two sets of people that are going to be mad when only 01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:31.640 one set needs to be mad because only one of those alignments is going to be the actual 01:00:31.640 --> 01:00:38.520 alignment that's feasible and the one alignment that we're looking at that we can show anytime 01:00:38.520 --> 01:00:48.720 you know staff wise has 21 displacements for a 23 mile corridor and that's unheard of it 01:00:48.720 --> 01:00:54.520 for a project this big and part of this project for the new folks is at the same time in this 01:00:54.520 --> 01:00:59.080 exact same area but a little bit further to the west the Corps of Engineers is working 01:00:59.080 --> 01:01:04.960 with the Council of Governments to keep the water from flowing from Denton and Wise into 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:09.760 Dallas down the Trinity River because it floods Dallas and they don't want to break their 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.240 levees and so they initially just wanted us to retain all the water up here and big giant 01:01:15.240 --> 01:01:21.200 lakes we didn't think that was a good idea so we're doing a pilot project with TechStat 01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:28.080 Corps of Engineers and our outer loop project where all of the crossing creeks that cross 01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:33.560 our outer loop because we're basically building a 23 mile dam we're going to purchase right 01:01:33.560 --> 01:01:40.760 away further up expand the floodplain so we can retain the water and then instead of slowly 01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:46.180 releasing it down river we're looking at a way to best management practices recharge 01:01:46.180 --> 01:01:52.520 the aquifers because our aquifers are being depleted so we're trying to do more than one 01:01:52.520 --> 01:01:53.520 thing with this road. 01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:56.040 Can I see your hand up? 01:01:56.040 --> 01:02:03.840 Yeah no I was just wait John I'm done you're done okay so yes if staff if I could get whatever 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:09.680 putative alignments that that you want to to review and I'll say the reason is there's 01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:13.960 other projects going in and I think I mentioned this in a meeting or two back where Texas 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:18.760 Parks and Wildlife is potentially going to consider some some expansion in some of the 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:24.520 floodplain in this area and whether or not that's antagonistic or synergistic is really 01:02:24.520 --> 01:02:31.680 depends on what we're talking about and then I wasn't sure for the area of that's east 01:02:31.680 --> 01:02:40.380 of Sherman and but all up and down the corridor then but then west as we go over to Shepard 01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:45.180 is that where you're talking about doing some recharge as well or most of it is East of 01:02:45.180 --> 01:02:46.180 Sherman? 01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:50.840 Well no there are fortunately we have this project in basically three segments and for 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.800 each one of those three segments there's a different aquifer that we can charge into 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.720 because they're once you get up here they go into they go into like fingers as we have 01:02:58.720 --> 01:03:04.920 multiple aquifers and so we we're going to try to do the work where we can hit each one 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:11.240 of those aquifers with our cleaned water so that we can put it we can recharge all of 01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:17.440 them so every crossing from Collin County to Milam if there's a north-south crossing 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.600 or even a diagonal crossing of where we're going to do the outer loop we're going to 01:03:20.600 --> 01:03:26.160 take that that floodplain and we are going to work with Texas Parks and Wildlife Corps 01:03:26.160 --> 01:03:33.160 of Engineers whoever the floodplain administrators are and work on expanding that footprint so 01:03:33.160 --> 01:03:40.040 that that will be the location we can hold the water long enough for us to treat it and 01:03:40.040 --> 01:03:50.520 push it into the aquifers and it's not been done it's been done mechanically for for 01:03:50.520 --> 01:03:56.600 actual trying to recharge the aquifer but it's never been done as a byproduct of a road 01:03:56.600 --> 01:04:05.760 in a more natural flow scenario. Do we anticipate that that is going to be more fallow land 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:12.000 or are still developable land? That's why we want to go along the existing creeks right 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:17.480 is we want to take what's already kind of fallow and just maybe widen the footprint 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:23.360 on the fallow plus maybe widen a little bit of the 500 feet where we come to it so that 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:29.200 we can retain water both in the medians if we have to so you might have a constant lake 01:04:29.200 --> 01:04:36.360 water feature in the middle that's draining into the aquifer and then up north of the 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:41.040 road mostly where we're going to widen that footprint so it had to remain fallow because 01:04:41.040 --> 01:04:45.320 it would have to be constantly used for the recharge. Yeah no I appreciate that thank 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.520 you. All right thank you thank you those are some good questions and I'm just visualizing 01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:54.880 all of this extra water around us and how beautiful that could actually be I like water. 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:59.760 And we're doing a rural cross-section on the outer loop so we're not going to have curb 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:04.720 and gutter it's going to be open dick so that it still flows in with the environment. I 01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:10.120 don't do almond locust you all do but I can't tell you this project let in February for 01:05:10.120 --> 01:05:14.920 reconstruction and you'll see we tell you that it was Jago and they got 118 working 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.480 days and that doesn't mean anything to you but they have eight months of barricades 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.880 so they think it's going to take them eight months to do. Okay. They award it into this 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:29.480 month which is today tomorrow I can't remember and then depending on how long they get their 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.880 contracts in and etc you can assume you'll see them in 60 days start working. That'll 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.200 be great looking forward to that yes ma'am you just leave it on. I don't know if this 01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:48.080 is a question for you or city staff is dent it like I know text dots repaving it is Denton 01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:51.480 going to get an opportunity to have any say on the final striping or is that just going 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.000 back as it is good question. So what actually is going to happen is we're going to defer 01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:01.000 a lot of the striping because right after we get this done y'all pass the resolution 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:10.960 as a city to take it off system so you can remake it in your own image. Glossary of terms. 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:15.480 So if I said something you didn't understand look up it in the air and you'll find the 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:21.280 answer typically and then when I talk about category 12 strategic priority if I cut it 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:26.040 like category four or five seven these are the categories of funding that transportation 01:06:26.040 --> 01:06:32.260 all transportation fits in one of those 12 categories and that's all I have madam chair. 01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:38.400 Thank you very much a very informative I appreciate the additional education on that and if we 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.640 don't have any other further questions we appreciate you coming through. Glad to be 01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:49.080 here. All right let's see you again. All right well then we're going to move on to where 01:06:49.080 --> 01:06:59.680 are we E. M.C. two three there's zero eight zero receive a report and hold a discussion 01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:22.600 regarding the transportation services division quarterly report. Excited about this part. 01:07:22.600 --> 01:07:31.880 Good morning madam chair vice chair and committee members. I am for Han but transportation services 01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:39.920 and I'm going to present some a brief introduction of our programs that we are launching in the 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:47.160 new transportation services division and and it will be a really high level picture of 01:07:47.160 --> 01:07:53.720 the divisions programs and if you guys need more details about any of the these projects 01:07:53.720 --> 01:08:03.400 or program items let me know and we can provide those. There have been a lot of requests from 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:09.120 the council members about their concerns they were concerns as well about transportation 01:08:09.120 --> 01:08:18.120 issues and also how we could resolve them in a professional manner and also issues that 01:08:18.120 --> 01:08:25.600 were the concerns were raised that we have to abide by the guidelines and standards development 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:32.480 reviews process had you know that there were some delays there were process issues there 01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:37.640 as well that their concerns were raised there as well. Road safety mitigation was another 01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:44.320 important aspect where many queries were coming regarding how we could fix these ongoing road 01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:54.240 safety issues and improve the safety on Denton streets and city representation at public 01:08:54.240 --> 01:09:00.560 agencies at large where you know how we could have a proactive role especially in terms 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:07.160 of participating in these strategic meetings and talking about fundings and how what role 01:09:07.160 --> 01:09:13.920 city could play in some of the important projects that are of regional nature as well. In response 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:23.040 to these queries and and all these concerns city management city manager took this strategic 01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:28.760 initiative to establish the transportation services division in the development services 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:36.960 department. The transportation services division is responsible to assist all overall city 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:41.800 matters that are linked to transportation planning transportation services and also 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:52.800 strategic partnership with these public agencies be it text or DCTA and COGS all of those agencies 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:59.480 where representation is needed transportation services would fill in those areas as well. 01:09:59.480 --> 01:10:07.120 The flow chart basically explains the structure of this division and I'm going to be respectful 01:10:07.120 --> 01:10:14.520 of time I will try to expedite this presentation so that we could complete this as soon as 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.520 possible and then if you have any questions we could address those as well. So pre August 01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:26.160 2023 we had transportation services and transportation planning related elements scattered all over 01:10:26.160 --> 01:10:34.800 in many departments and the issue was that the communication there was a void in controls 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:40.840 side project control side as well they were voids in terms of who is doing what so all 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:45.880 of those issues were coming and naturally those concerns were being raised by the council 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:52.320 members as well. As you can see that many of these focus areas for transportation services 01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:58.360 and planning were in engineering, some were in streets, capital projects, there were development 01:10:58.360 --> 01:11:03.560 reviews related issues which were part of development services as well and planning 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:09.360 and the list goes on. I have just listed here a couple of focus areas or departments which 01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:15.360 are which were key but it goes all the way to even police department as well where traffic 01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:25.200 safety is linked. So keeping that in view post August 2023 when this division was established 01:11:25.200 --> 01:11:32.520 this is how it looks. Now transportation services division would be responsible for ADA planning 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:39.160 and coordination. I will just name a few. Bikebed active transportation is also part 01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:45.920 of this division and we are looking into prioritization of projects as well. Coordination is active, 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.880 we are looking into the funding side of the story as well how we could bring more funding, 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:56.200 federal funding and state funding as well to city, DCTA coordination. Road safety is 01:11:56.200 --> 01:12:00.720 one of the items that is very close to my heart as well and I want to look into this 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:09.920 very closely and ADA, both of these are main items that we are main tasks that we are taking 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:15.160 charge of and hopefully we will be able to put a big dent into these two items and resolve 01:12:15.160 --> 01:12:24.240 many of the issues, ongoing issues. This represents the, this slide shows different focus areas 01:12:24.240 --> 01:12:30.940 that we are working on. Road safety as I mentioned is one of the top program. When I say signature 01:12:30.940 --> 01:12:37.000 program that means that we will be giving reports, progress reports on these programs 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:42.600 and we will be giving quarterly and annual report. ADA transition plan as you can see 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:48.080 is in there and the list goes on and I will go in each slide, next slide, next section, 01:12:48.080 --> 01:12:53.800 I will go through each of these programs in details as fast as possible. So when it comes 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:59.680 to road safety and human factors linkages, we are going to look at vision zero implementation 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:06.120 and as phase two and we are already in the process of evaluation proposals, evaluating 01:13:06.120 --> 01:13:11.960 proposals and going to the next phase of starting, launching the project sometime I think in 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:17.640 April or May, hopefully if the process goes smooth. Crash data collection and analytics, 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:23.360 we are looking into this, we are getting advanced applications so that we could get hold of 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:28.440 crash data not only through CRISS database which is Texas, which is organized by Texas 01:13:28.440 --> 01:13:36.540 State but we are going to have localized data and we will channel it into an information 01:13:36.540 --> 01:13:44.320 portal where we could not only analyze but could display how things would work. And then 01:13:44.320 --> 01:13:50.800 we have hotspots analysis as well where we have, we are going to look at based on the 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:55.520 crash data analytics that we are getting, we are going to look at hotspots and would 01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:00.440 conduct road safety audits, some of that is already going on. On pretty much weekly basis 01:14:00.440 --> 01:14:06.680 we have some requests, we go to those spots and try to conduct the audit and then come 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.280 back with some recommendations short term and long term. 01:14:09.280 --> 01:14:16.080 A real quick question, so whenever we have citizens, I will use Dallas Drive as an example, 01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:25.200 that's a very busy road going out to 35, I believe Councilmember McGee had made reference 01:14:25.200 --> 01:14:35.000 to it very recently. How are those, what we bring in, is that part of the data for the 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:40.520 near miss detection and hotspots, you know, whatever the council members may have something 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:45.640 or are you all doing that for data in some other kind of way? 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:51.840 It's both, so we will be looking into the councilmember request coming to us as well 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:56.320 as we will have our own data analytics going on based on this core database that we are 01:14:56.320 --> 01:15:01.560 assembling right now and based on that we will do our own prioritization system on hotspot 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:10.080 locations but some of these requests that come to us via public or CMO or council members, 01:15:10.080 --> 01:15:16.480 we give them top priority and they are prioritized and if some urgent action is needed, we just 01:15:16.480 --> 01:15:22.960 do that, list them on short term recommendations and implement them as well. 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:28.880 So we are also planning to conduct innovative studies, assessing the impacts of traffic 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:34.440 conditions on emergency response time, that's one example, and complete streets and comprehensive 01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:41.120 road safety progress report would be provided to the committee on quarterly and annual basis. 01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:48.160 ADA transition plan is also a signature program where we are looking at it from the holistic 01:15:48.160 --> 01:15:52.880 point of view, we're trying to understand where the problem was, where we dropped the 01:15:52.880 --> 01:16:00.040 ball and we are just, in the last two months we have arranged in person meetings with tier 01:16:00.040 --> 01:16:04.800 one departments, where tier one departments are those departments which are directly linked 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:08.720 to ADA construction or implementation of projects. 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:13.040 So we have met with them in person, we have talked to them about their accomplishments 01:16:13.040 --> 01:16:19.280 and challenges and those challenges we are now narrowing down to project level, five 01:16:19.280 --> 01:16:25.400 year plus five year program plus maybe annual work program and then we will take it from 01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:29.520 to the next step of how to fund them and so all of these questions we are looking into 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.400 and we are trying to address those in a very collaborative manner. 01:16:33.400 --> 01:16:38.580 In this process all of these departments, tier one departments are engaged and we are 01:16:38.580 --> 01:16:43.080 getting feedback and then we are taking it to CMO and then this back and forth would 01:16:43.080 --> 01:16:48.200 give us a very good place to make good improvements to the process. 01:16:48.200 --> 01:16:49.200 Okay. 01:16:49.200 --> 01:16:50.200 Yes, please. 01:16:50.200 --> 01:16:57.280 Is this process focused strictly on just legal ADA requirements or is it perhaps have a little 01:16:57.280 --> 01:17:01.440 bit broader focus on general mobility for people with disabilities? 01:17:01.440 --> 01:17:02.920 So there are two parts to that. 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:09.560 One is legal would come as basically we have risk based approach. 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:15.400 So where we will have risk matrix where we will score the projects based on risk as well 01:17:15.400 --> 01:17:21.960 as fiscal allocation as well and then so risk gets the priority, if the score is highest 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:29.040 on risk it goes through legal as well as we make sure that we are covering all aspects 01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:36.100 of it from not only from PRO Act requirements or US Access Board requirements but also any 01:17:36.100 --> 01:17:42.040 legal framework that needs to be addressed in city of Denton and then we move on to the 01:17:42.040 --> 01:17:43.300 implementation stage. 01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:45.860 The second is generalized project list. 01:17:45.860 --> 01:17:51.640 For example, four tier one departments we are assembling the project list from each 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.360 of these departments for five year plus five year program. 01:17:55.360 --> 01:18:00.440 Then out of these five year we will prioritize the projects for each department on a yearly 01:18:00.440 --> 01:18:01.720 work plan. 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:06.480 And that yearly work plan will be allocated funding and based on whatever the funding 01:18:06.480 --> 01:18:09.720 is available we will implement those projects. 01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.920 And that's why I say that it is a collaborative process where all of these departments are 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:14.920 engaged. 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.720 Did I answer your question? 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:23.720 >> I was mostly thinking for my friends with disabilities, especially mobility, impairing 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:30.760 disabilities such as vision or they use a wheelchair or a walker or similar, I know 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:36.560 that a lot of them have a very, very hard time just getting around town due to the lack 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:42.080 of accessible go zones and the lack of a comprehensive bus system. 01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:45.160 So I was just curious if that was factoring in. 01:18:45.160 --> 01:18:49.480 >> Yes, it is, and it is on priority. 01:18:49.480 --> 01:18:57.960 Because when we go through this prioritization process, risk plus external conditions, local 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.640 conditions, all of those factors will come in. 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:06.200 And we'll make sure that we are abiding by the U.S. access board guidelines and provide 01:19:06.200 --> 01:19:09.120 guidelines and local conditions. 01:19:09.120 --> 01:19:10.680 So that's part of it. 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:11.680 >> Okay. 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:12.680 Thank you. 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:13.680 Thanks. 01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:18.480 Then we have development review processes. 01:19:18.480 --> 01:19:22.440 To simplify, you know, in the development review process, we are just trying to make 01:19:22.440 --> 01:19:29.160 sure that all the issues that are causing delays, coordination with tech start or local 01:19:29.160 --> 01:19:37.440 developers or maybe within the city departments delays due to certain aspects, we are trying 01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:41.520 to remove those voids and making sure that those processes are addressed. 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:51.400 And we have flow maps which we follow so that, you know, the processes are optimized. 01:19:51.400 --> 01:19:52.400 This is just an example. 01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:58.520 We will share more information in quarterly meetings and mobility meetings as well and 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:03.480 in our bi-monthly report, transportation services report as well on how many projects we have 01:20:03.480 --> 01:20:06.080 been handling and how many got rejected. 01:20:06.080 --> 01:20:10.640 And those which are rejected, we are looking into that if there is something that we missed 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:16.280 that we need to address in the development review process so that, you know, this never 01:20:16.280 --> 01:20:17.280 happens again. 01:20:17.280 --> 01:20:21.360 So we are trying to optimize these processes. 01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:26.840 Transportation data and application forecasting is another aspect where we are trying to automate 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:31.240 the data and this includes traffic flow characteristics data. 01:20:31.240 --> 01:20:37.160 It includes speed profiles on -- we are also working on road classification system and 01:20:37.160 --> 01:20:43.960 trying to bring it -- you know, trying to mesh it with the GIS portal so that, you know, 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:51.480 we could just not only see it on paper, but we would have online version, GIS version 01:20:51.480 --> 01:20:58.080 of functional classification, any attributes related to those and the end goal is concurrency 01:20:58.080 --> 01:21:02.040 management system where we will be able to ultimately look at the level of service for 01:21:02.040 --> 01:21:07.720 each functional classification system in City of Denton. 01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:12.480 And we have -- you know, these are some examples of the site that we are looking at. 01:21:12.480 --> 01:21:18.080 You know, the idea is that we may go for some continuous stream counting stations as well 01:21:18.080 --> 01:21:24.920 as we get some help from the online web applications just like urban SDK or street lights. 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:30.400 We are reviewing that right now, but soon we will be able to make a decision on that. 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:33.200 And then we have traffic operations side of things as well. 01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:36.040 We are coordinating with the traffic operations. 01:21:36.040 --> 01:21:43.240 We are helping in signal optimization, controls on queries, all queries related to traffic 01:21:43.240 --> 01:21:46.400 flow characteristic data. 01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:52.800 And as part of this process, we are also looking into interactive Denton demographics because 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.440 that goes hand in hand with the development review process. 01:21:56.440 --> 01:22:00.640 So what we found is that this is a void that needs to be filled because -- so that our 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:08.200 reviewers have information on what demographic data is available and how they can make informed 01:22:08.200 --> 01:22:11.120 decisions on these review applications. 01:22:11.120 --> 01:22:16.640 Smart mobility integration long term, no promises for short term, but long term, yes, we are 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:17.760 looking into this. 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.680 It is not an aspect which is ignored. 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.640 We are there, but we are trying to be cautious of these new technologies because sometimes 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:27.760 they outpace themselves. 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:32.400 So cautiously we are looking into that, and this is part of our plan. 01:22:32.400 --> 01:22:39.960 We are also looking into mobility plan amendments, and we are going to make active transportation 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.480 plan as part of our effort. 01:22:42.480 --> 01:22:48.200 And active transportation plan is important because we would like to look into the bike 01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:51.640 bed and micro mobility aspects of things. 01:22:51.640 --> 01:23:01.200 Micro mobility is emerging use, which is on the multi-use paths, and sometimes in some 01:23:01.200 --> 01:23:02.440 cases streets as well. 01:23:02.440 --> 01:23:05.000 So we would like to address that as part of that. 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.440 And then any other amendments that are needed based on our review. 01:23:08.440 --> 01:23:13.880 I have a question for -- just interject here. 01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:19.280 And this is for the bike pit people, which I'm so glad that they're here and sitting 01:23:19.280 --> 01:23:22.160 in the room with us. 01:23:22.160 --> 01:23:33.920 Is there any level of grace that is given to a city in regards to the time factor? 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:42.480 Have you heard from the mobility folks in the bike pit community that's allowing a bit 01:23:42.480 --> 01:23:46.240 of grace for us to get caught up with what their needs are? 01:23:46.240 --> 01:23:49.920 Are you hearing a lot of conversation in that regard? 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:55.200 We have downtown parking study going on through a couple of other studies where there was 01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:57.000 a public engagement process. 01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:01.400 We had a lot of comments, you know, on this issue. 01:24:01.400 --> 01:24:10.600 And look, we have prioritized bike or sidewalk program and bike lane issues that we are looking 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:11.600 into right now. 01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:16.520 It will not be overnight, but we are fully focused on that. 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:25.200 We are prioritizing our bike lane projects and even to extend sidewalk projects as well. 01:24:25.200 --> 01:24:31.120 And we are hoping that the implementation process starts ASAP. 01:24:31.120 --> 01:24:33.400 And this is how we are going to tackle. 01:24:33.400 --> 01:24:38.560 But yes, there is an issue that we have identified, this void we are trying to fill. 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.560 And this will be a multimodal approach. 01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:48.000 We are not just going to look at sidewalk, look at them as sidewalk or bike pit, but 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.960 we will look at the holistic view that where people are trying to go and where they are 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:56.720 coming from and how we can facilitate if they are going to a go zone or a bus stop or a 01:24:56.720 --> 01:25:01.240 transit stop, light rail station, all of those considerations will be made. 01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:02.240 Thank you. 01:25:02.240 --> 01:25:03.240 Yes. 01:25:03.240 --> 01:25:05.000 This is just a clarification question. 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:10.880 So on the second bullet, it says we're developing the first active transportation plan and strategy. 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:14.840 Is that separate from the bike and pedestrian plans we've made, or is that just another 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:15.840 word for the same thing? 01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.860 It will be separate, but the idea is that we will merge them in the end. 01:25:19.860 --> 01:25:24.920 Because imagine there are new users coming, even in the active transportation arena. 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:31.320 So there is micromobility aspect, which is a missing piece, and a lot of cities are actively 01:25:31.320 --> 01:25:34.520 working on that, and our plan is that we look into that. 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:43.320 And then we would like to look at it from use perspective as a mode, and not as a recreational 01:25:43.320 --> 01:25:50.440 aspect, assuming that, as John mentioned, that population growth and all those factors 01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:51.440 are coming. 01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:59.560 So we need to be ready for bike lanes to be used as a mode for commute to work, maybe, 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:00.560 and more. 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:04.760 Thank you. 01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:13.440 This is the last slide, and also we are helping CIP for project prioritization process. 01:26:13.440 --> 01:26:20.160 We understand that the project prioritization process would be linked to many aspects, including 01:26:20.160 --> 01:26:26.120 fiscal allocation, and then also what needs to be built, what is a priority. 01:26:26.120 --> 01:26:33.720 So we are in the process of developing a prioritization criteria in collaboration with CIP, and once 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:39.960 the criteria is developed, it will be vetted to make sure that we have addressed all the 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:40.960 prioritization issue. 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:45.880 We will look into the best use cases as well, best practices, and then once the criteria 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:50.880 is developed, we will run the projects through those, and that is not only to capital projects 01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:56.280 related to streets, but also to bike path as well. 01:26:56.280 --> 01:27:02.960 So we are creating a bike path criteria that hinges on fatalities, serious incapacitating 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:08.860 injuries, use cases where people are going, the attraction centers, and all those factors 01:27:08.860 --> 01:27:10.740 are coming in. 01:27:10.740 --> 01:27:17.720 That criteria is almost 70 percent complete, but we are still in the process. 01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:24.400 And we will provide for any of these programs, we will provide summary report to the Mobility 01:27:24.400 --> 01:27:27.840 Committee quarterly, and there will be annual report as well. 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:35.280 On the division level, we are -- we develop a bimonthly report that is sent to CMO and 01:27:35.280 --> 01:27:36.280 the leadership. 01:27:36.280 --> 01:27:37.280 Thank you. 01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:38.280 That's all. 01:27:38.280 --> 01:27:39.280 If you have any questions, I'll be happy to. 01:27:39.280 --> 01:27:40.280 Any questions? 01:27:40.280 --> 01:27:41.280 Yes. 01:27:41.280 --> 01:27:42.280 It looks like you have a question. 01:27:42.280 --> 01:27:43.280 I have. 01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:44.280 I took notes, and I have a bunch of questions. 01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:46.640 I was just going to throw them all out at once. 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:51.700 The first one is, I love the reorganization. 01:27:51.700 --> 01:27:55.880 This isn't really a question for you, this is going to be me looking side-eye at Cassie, 01:27:55.880 --> 01:28:01.840 and I noticed that there is three to four times the strategic goals in this transportation 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:06.160 section compared to every other topic area. 01:28:06.160 --> 01:28:16.440 And so I'm just hopeful that upper management applies a similar ratio of resources to these 01:28:16.440 --> 01:28:17.440 endeavors. 01:28:17.440 --> 01:28:22.200 That's more of a snarky comment than anything else. 01:28:22.200 --> 01:28:27.360 And then a real question is, on the slide where you were talking about the forecasting 01:28:27.360 --> 01:28:35.260 of our major arterial corridors, it jumps out immediately our continuous and ongoing 01:28:35.260 --> 01:28:39.960 problem that our arterials are composed of 50% text dot roads. 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:40.960 That's correct. 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:47.960 So if we're forecasting, can we really forecast if we're not forecasting Carroll-Bonnie-Bray 01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:57.560 University, 288 Mayhill, I understand we only control the roads you listed, but to an earlier 01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:02.520 point that was brought up about crossing those roads, I mean, it's gray. 01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:09.080 So if we're going to forecast, should we not be forecasting at least our major east-west 01:29:09.080 --> 01:29:13.440 and north-south corridors? 01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:17.920 So pick one, like University, and then pick a north-south one. 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:24.040 I mean, probably University is the clearest contender, particularly for the accident deaths 01:29:24.040 --> 01:29:25.040 and everything. 01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:28.760 So I guess the short version of my question is, how are we incorporating the roads we 01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.060 don't know? 01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:35.640 So that's a very good catch, and yes, we are addressing that issue. 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:42.040 So what happens is that on one level, we are going for some permanent counting stations, 01:29:42.040 --> 01:29:46.200 which will be providing stream data, continuous stream data. 01:29:46.200 --> 01:29:51.840 But those will not be majority of the cases, those will be selected few cases. 01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:54.000 So that's streets owned by us. 01:29:54.000 --> 01:30:00.600 For the overall picture where the streets are not owned by us, we are relying on two 01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:01.600 options. 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.280 One is urban SDK or maybe street lights data. 01:30:04.280 --> 01:30:09.380 So urban SDK, and then, of course, text or data is available as well on selected roads. 01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:10.960 So these are three sources. 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:19.680 So on these, we will get average annual daily traffic, AADT, on every single facility in 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:22.480 our region, including the residential ones as well. 01:30:22.480 --> 01:30:23.680 So that's the resolution. 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:29.640 But with the caution that usually these data sets are interpreted on arterial or collector 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:36.320 level, and the lower the classification, the more noisy the data becomes. 01:30:36.320 --> 01:30:41.280 So we will have this data through satellite source or GPS, whatever their source is. 01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:43.000 But we are planning to have this data. 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.160 And on the side, on certain city streets, we are planning to have permanent counting 01:30:47.160 --> 01:30:53.520 stations, text or data set, we'll merge the three, we'll have concurrency with level of 01:30:53.520 --> 01:31:00.320 service, but this is not going to happen overnight, we are developing the system. 01:31:00.320 --> 01:31:07.280 Because it was not there, so right now we are trying to automate GIS data sets. 01:31:07.280 --> 01:31:11.840 We are linking these, we are creating unique IDs, and it will take some time. 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.600 But we will get there. 01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:20.480 I think the idea is that we are trying to converge to this capacity or capability as 01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:21.480 soon as possible. 01:31:21.480 --> 01:31:25.840 I appreciate that, and I can't tell you, and again this will be a side comment to Cassie, 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:30.000 how excited I am that someone who does data analytics is going to be looking at this sort 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:31.000 of thing. 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:34.640 So it's all nice comments for him, Cassie. 01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:41.720 I will say, I will remind you just anecdotally that there are a ridiculous number of universities 01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:47.640 across the state that do traffic data analytics, and there's like including our homegrown university, 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:55.800 but more specifically UTD and UT Austin Tech that literally look at these exact problems 01:31:55.800 --> 01:32:00.760 and there's no reason you can't piggyback on their design safe database platforms and 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:02.480 other things like that. 01:32:02.480 --> 01:32:08.000 So that's just sort of as an aside that there's low hanging fruit you could grab to help you 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:09.000 with the analytics. 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.960 Sure, and we are relying on those avenues. 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:19.240 The next question I had is on the question of, I forget where it was, but traffic operation 01:32:19.240 --> 01:32:20.240 coordination. 01:32:20.240 --> 01:32:21.240 Yes. 01:32:21.240 --> 01:32:29.920 So, one of the challenges and barriers that we've had in the past in the 70s and 80s 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:41.200 in particular was an overemphasis on flow versus safety, or at least by modern standards, 01:32:41.200 --> 01:32:46.360 and I think that's why you saw, you know better than anyone the transition we've made to more 01:32:46.360 --> 01:32:48.240 of a Vision Zero approach. 01:32:48.240 --> 01:32:55.160 So I guess my question is on that central bullet item, and I guess it goes to the analytics 01:32:55.160 --> 01:32:58.800 we just discussed a second ago. 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:07.680 Do we have a policy feel for how we're incorporating flow versus Vision Zero in our prioritization? 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:13.480 Because I think something maybe both from an engineering standpoint and then as necessary 01:33:13.480 --> 01:33:20.640 for the policy makers, when do we need to tell you that, and have we already told you 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:25.540 that Vision Zero is a priority therefore prioritize that above flow? 01:33:25.540 --> 01:33:31.200 So if we've already told you that and that's the message that you've received, then I'm 01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:32.200 good. 01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:36.040 I don't really have a question, but that's sort of where, is that to be resolved or it's 01:33:36.040 --> 01:33:37.440 already been resolved? 01:33:37.440 --> 01:33:38.440 It's resolved. 01:33:38.440 --> 01:33:42.580 I am on the same page, and actually you know even if it was not told, I think that's a 01:33:42.580 --> 01:33:49.400 generalized among transportation professionals, that's a generalized agreement that we all 01:33:49.400 --> 01:33:57.520 have that safety first, flows are on the secondary scale, but I think safety is first because 01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:03.880 especially not only because of this flow or safety integration, but it is first because 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:07.220 of the look at the number of crashes, look at the number of fatalities. 01:34:07.220 --> 01:34:08.520 So we have to address this issue. 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.820 So yes, I am on the same page. 01:34:11.820 --> 01:34:12.820 Awesome. 01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:27.160 Two more I guess on the, so I guess it's really the integration of sort of the last two slides. 01:34:27.160 --> 01:34:33.600 Your predecessors at the city that have come and gone over the last few years have, include 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:38.200 some of the people in the room, have done a lot of this work and I know you're talking 01:34:38.200 --> 01:34:41.640 about integrating it. 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:48.800 Some of the outlines and timelines seem, and don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:53.480 this pejoratively, but it's a little bit of a reboot and reorganization to go along with 01:34:53.480 --> 01:35:00.680 the general structure reorganization, and so I guess the question is more how much are 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:05.680 we going to be able to incorporate the existing prioritization of goals and the existing data 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:11.680 that we sort of already started, I don't want to reboot to make us go back to zero, just 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.320 make us go back to ten, you know. 01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:18.800 No, we are not going back to zero actually, we are starting from what we had, for instance 01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:24.040 in case of ADA, we are not going back to zero, we are starting with the ADA transition plan 01:35:24.040 --> 01:35:30.320 that had essentially, it has a list of projects for each department, tier one department, 01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:34.560 and so we are not ignoring that, we are just taking that, and then we are collaborating 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:39.240 with departments to say which of these projects we would like to build first in five plus 01:35:39.240 --> 01:35:45.480 five years horizon, ten years horizon, so that's our long list, then we just say okay, 01:35:45.480 --> 01:35:51.080 now out of these, please help us understand which are your priorities for next one year 01:35:51.080 --> 01:35:57.400 work plan, and once we have this one year work plan, starting October, we will start 01:35:57.400 --> 01:36:01.960 implementing them, then next stage is of course funding, and we will match, and whatever is 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:07.120 available based on that we will just build, and the rest go to next year's bank, so that's 01:36:07.120 --> 01:36:12.080 how we are trying to approach, at the same time we are trying to, through cog, through 01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:17.640 other sources, we are trying to get funding, for example, now we are transportation services 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:25.800 applying for SS4A grant, which will be safe streets for all, and through cog, and we are 01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:30.680 not going to be doing it alone, all of these departments will be collaborating with us. 01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:38.800 That sounds great, I appreciate the clarity on that, and then my last question, I will 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:46.560 skip over the one because I can tell from the previous answers that there will be some 01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:52.640 integration in our development of macro mobility, transit oriented design, I love the micro 01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:59.800 mobility, so I appreciate that I heard that already, the last one I have is around town, 01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:06.800 there are clear desire paths, some of those are really obvious, like along, and we will 01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:12.920 probably come up to this later in the report on the matrix, but the exit ramp from university 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:19.560 south bound on to 288, there is a clear desire path there, there is clear desire paths around 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:26.640 other locations in town, and for the others, most people know that the desire path is where 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:30.120 you see the traffic is beating something down and they want to go that way and they don't 01:37:30.120 --> 01:37:39.680 care what our plans are, so how are we incorporating desire plans, desire paths into our transit 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:51.640 design? So desire paths are often induced routes perceived by the users, road users, 01:37:51.640 --> 01:38:00.560 for instance, there is a shortest path, traffic assignment problem where there is a game theory 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:06.600 where everybody wants to go first and to their shortest path, perceived shortest path, so 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:13.400 we are going to crack at this problem using traffic controls and optimisation of controls 01:38:13.400 --> 01:38:21.180 versus what the choices are available to drivers, so part of this would be investigating that 01:38:21.180 --> 01:38:25.840 are there other routes available, are there other options available, why people are just 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:31.480 using one route, and so kind of try to change that perception, maybe improve some of the 01:38:31.480 --> 01:38:36.360 functional classification, maybe improve the visibility, attractiveness of the facilities, 01:38:36.360 --> 01:38:43.680 whether it would be offering other modes and opening up to, yes, there is a possibility 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:49.240 that you could commute to your work via bike, there is a possibility you could take a bus, 01:38:49.240 --> 01:38:56.960 that's long term, but that's also in the plan, so we will look at it from multimodal perspective 01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:07.000 which mobility plan also talks about and also comprehensive plan also talks about, so we 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:11.320 are looking at it from that perspective. Now short term, we could do a couple of things 01:39:11.320 --> 01:39:15.920 where we could improve the optimisation of controls, we could look at signal controllers 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:21.660 if there are any delays, cycle failures, we could look at those corridors and try to give 01:39:21.660 --> 01:39:27.300 some alternatives to that and maybe increase the throughput of these corridors through 01:39:27.300 --> 01:39:33.200 capacity improvements. Excellent, I appreciate all of that and I apologise for everyone taking 01:39:33.200 --> 01:39:37.480 a whole bunch of questions, but I appreciate everyone's indulgence and Cassie, thank you 01:39:37.480 --> 01:39:46.960 for hiring him. I got it all, I vomited my brain out. Yes, just a quick clarification 01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:52.520 question to start, you mentioned level of service analysis for street facilities, do 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:56.840 we currently have a framework for analysing level of service for bike and pedestrian users 01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:02.720 especially at a network level? No, we don't and that's part of it, so when we develop 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:09.560 this concurrency management system, part of it will be addressing level of service for 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:14.280 streets, that's our first priority and not to say that bike pad is not a priority, but 01:40:14.280 --> 01:40:19.880 it's first priority because a lot of these crashes are happening on these facilities, 01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:26.120 on the roads and then also there are traffic congestion, the point you raised, that are 01:40:26.120 --> 01:40:30.840 causing bottlenecks, so we would like to address wherever there is a level of service F or 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:38.080 volume to capacity ratio of 1.2, we would like to go and address those issues. Then 01:40:38.080 --> 01:40:42.960 bike pad would come as part of it where we would like to generate multiple routes and 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:49.240 multiple options of modes. The third is that we are also going to look at facilities with 01:40:49.240 --> 01:40:56.480 the level of service, oh sorry, vehicle to capacity ratio of 0.2, what it tells us is 01:40:56.480 --> 01:41:00.880 it is an underused facility and if we are putting dollars to that, we need to be careful 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:06.960 about it, so I'm not saying that maybe there's a good use for that, but we would look into 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:13.900 those issues as well. Second question, is there any integration 01:41:13.900 --> 01:41:19.280 of climate goals into our streets plan? The city of Denton has a goal to hit net zero 01:41:19.280 --> 01:41:26.320 by 2050 and a 46% reduction from 2018 levels by 2030 and currently vehicular emissions 01:41:26.320 --> 01:41:31.820 are about two thirds of our portfolio, when we are doing streets planning are we integrating 01:41:31.820 --> 01:41:37.260 those goals and those realities into our streets? First I will admit that it's a problem that 01:41:37.260 --> 01:41:43.660 will not go away soon, because it's not just the city's problem, but at Cobb we are seeing 01:41:43.660 --> 01:41:51.360 that it's a regional problem, but on our end we have recently applied for CMAC based congestion 01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:57.800 management air quality fund based funding for three projects, they are bike, pet projects, 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:05.000 all three of them, so we are going piece by piece, we may develop a larger project, it 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:10.400 will take some time, we have to look at the data and try to absorb it, understand it, 01:42:10.400 --> 01:42:13.600 and then we will be able to make a decision that which corridor we would like to address. 01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:19.560 The challenge is that these federal fundings are very comparative, if we just apply without 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:25.320 looking at the data, we may get rejected. So we have already applied three projects, 01:42:25.320 --> 01:42:31.000 bike, pet projects as part of the CMAC congestion management program. This year we applied like 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:36.920 two months ago. Okay. Well that sounds good, it sounds like all the, you know, all the 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:41.400 brain capacity is there and we certainly thank you all for, you know, all of your work that 01:42:41.400 --> 01:42:48.080 you have done. I don't have any additional questions for Mr. Butts, does anybody else 01:42:48.080 --> 01:43:00.240 have anything else? I'm sorry. All right. So I guess we can move on from there. I certainly 01:43:00.240 --> 01:43:04.480 do want to recognize, thank you. Thank you so much. I do want to recognize that our time 01:43:04.480 --> 01:43:09.960 is winding up and we have had some great conversation this morning, I appreciate our two new members 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:17.080 that have come on. I'm certainly going to take the pleasure of recommending that we, 01:43:17.080 --> 01:43:25.320 because of the time factor here, recommending that we forego F and G in whole. I know that 01:43:25.320 --> 01:43:29.760 there's a lot of information out there that we want to know, but we simply don't have 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:36.000 time in this meeting to do that. So I'm going to recommend that we come back next month 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:41.440 and begin there. Also know that Mr. Polster is not going to have to give us and educate 01:43:41.440 --> 01:43:46.440 us. He's just going to come right on in and just keep it moving. And he's going to say, 01:43:46.440 --> 01:43:50.440 go to the back of the form and look at all the, you know, the acronyms for all of this 01:43:50.440 --> 01:43:55.040 stuff like he did me and I had to go back and look. So we're just going to do it there. 01:43:55.040 --> 01:44:01.320 We're going to stop here. And I would like for us now to just simply for the next five 01:44:01.320 --> 01:44:08.840 minutes to throw out any, any additional things that we want to put on here. If you all have 01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:15.320 any additional questions, not questions, but statements that you want us to take a look 01:44:15.320 --> 01:44:21.360 at the city to take a look at some, a priority that you might see. Uh, this is a time for 01:44:21.360 --> 01:44:27.960 us to go directly to a street that we may want them to take a look at, you know, if 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.040 we say, Hey, we'll take a look. We've got a problem at Barney brain. Can we take a look 01:44:31.040 --> 01:44:35.480 at Barney Berry in this area? So this will be a chance to go ahead and give that information 01:44:35.480 --> 01:44:40.840 to the city. So when they come back to us next month, we'll have a leading in on what 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:45.840 we'd like to, uh, for them to take a look at. Is there anybody that'd like to have the 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:50.720 city to take a look at some specific areas that we don't see on the back here? Cause 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:58.680 we have, uh, some things back here, the construction report, the lighting, the landscape to 88 01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:03.480 bicycle signages, regulations, side path with we're going to be talking about that next 01:45:03.480 --> 01:45:05.840 month. Yes, sir. 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:12.760 Uh, I know that there was a response to, uh, the, the three to 88 and I don't want to belabor 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:19.400 that, um, about, but, um, it's sort of a small addendum and I don't know if it's a, if it's 01:45:19.400 --> 01:45:25.120 a matrix item or not. So I'll say it and then staff can determine whether where it falls 01:45:25.120 --> 01:45:33.680 as the sage oak owners believe they have given in escrow. So then maybe staff needs to communicate 01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:38.840 with them, um, about the, that sidewalk escrow that was mentioned in the report. I leave 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:46.400 it to next month to have a full discussion on that, but there is a, uh, if we could include 01:45:46.400 --> 01:45:52.520 next time when we get back to that, uh, our piece there in front of the DME pile on staging 01:45:52.520 --> 01:46:00.920 area. Um, if we could include that into discussion as well, uh, I would, um, uh, appreciate that 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:10.400 and then at, um, uh, if we could put on the matrix, uh, something about, um, uh, uh, bike 01:46:10.400 --> 01:46:17.120 racks and the rules and, and, and policy decisions that might need to be made. The reason I've 01:46:17.120 --> 01:46:22.800 made this is, is, and, and one of our new members has been among me for years to do 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:29.360 this and I finally am doing it and my eyes are open. Uh, I have come to bike Jesus on 01:46:29.360 --> 01:46:37.920 this one. Um, but the, there is no, I shouldn't, I shouldn't joke like that, but the, the, 01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:43.880 uh, the, the point being that, uh, in biking around town, there's no place to park your 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:50.360 bikes unless it's city hall or other city facilities. So, uh, I would like some, some 01:46:50.360 --> 01:46:56.280 update on our guidance for what our bike rack rules are, uh, to put, be put on the 01:46:56.280 --> 01:47:03.600 matrix. Oh, and those other items that I mentioned, John, uh, talked about the, that, that I said 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:09.860 that we put on the matrix. Okay. Can I tack on to what he just said? Can I tack on to 01:47:09.860 --> 01:47:14.840 what he just said about the bike racks? Can we also see, um, how we enforce our regulations 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:18.240 that we have on bike racks? Cause I'm fairly familiar with what we have, but I'm curious 01:47:18.240 --> 01:47:20.600 how we enforce them to make sure that they're happening. 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:30.480 Okay. Uh, cost member, Maggie, you're good. Yes. Um, one area that I have concern for 01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:34.880 is I work as a school bus driver, uh, out of Ryan high. That's where the bus base is. 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:39.960 Um, and there's a dollar general across the street and kids will be crossing back and 01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:45.080 forth constantly, I think between classes or before classes started or after classes 01:47:45.080 --> 01:47:50.760 or during a lunch break. Um, and so that's a very high volume of pedestrian crossing 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:56.840 area as well as being 45 miles an hour, five lanes of traffic, uh, with a shared left turn 01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:02.040 lane. Um, so it's quite a dangerous crossing to me, it would seem. And I was wondering 01:48:02.040 --> 01:48:08.600 if we could look into even just putting up like some barrel cones in the middle of that 01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:12.360 intersection where people are crossing so that there's some, some level of visibility 01:48:12.360 --> 01:48:17.960 and some something indicating, you know, please, please watch out for the kids who are going 01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:23.560 to be crossing here because there's probably hundreds of crossings there a day. Thank you. 01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:30.760 And mine, uh, is Woodrow and more street. Uh, we're seeing a higher traffic pattern 01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:38.160 going on there. Um, I travel that street literally every day. So, um, please add that on. I like 01:48:38.160 --> 01:48:44.080 for us to get an update on what we're thinking about doing with that. We know that the new 01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:48.560 apartment complex is coming up. Uh, and so there's going to be dumping a little bit, 01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:53.440 a few more cars onto the roadway. And so I think that we need to have that in a pipeline 01:48:53.440 --> 01:49:00.480 as well. All right. Anything else? Well, if there's not anything else, um, yes. Are you 01:49:00.480 --> 01:49:06.160 saying something? Do I need to address something? Yeah, I bought it up for the past two years 01:49:06.160 --> 01:49:12.560 now. I understand it's coming to the next bond, but we really need some cheap temporary lighting 01:49:12.560 --> 01:49:17.200 on the street. It's darker street in town and people rolling down McKinney street at 01:49:17.200 --> 01:49:23.040 night on wheelchairs and parents pushing strollers and it's dangerous. I just want to go out there 01:49:23.040 --> 01:49:25.280 on the record and say, we really need to have that discussion at some point. 01:49:25.280 --> 01:49:32.320 Yes. Yeah. I just want to piggyback real quickly. The, the, the same thing on the, 01:49:32.320 --> 01:49:38.320 the three 82 88 bike, if we could, uh, include lighting, what our lighting requirements are 01:49:38.320 --> 01:49:43.360 again, that's a textile thing. I realize, but, but it's, it's an identical problem to the one 01:49:43.360 --> 01:49:49.600 that the counselor McGee, we have weird pedestrian access because we have, we're in a transitional 01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:55.600 state and the, the pedestrian bikes, also the lighting, which goes to the point of the safety 01:49:55.600 --> 01:50:00.320 and visibility. So I mean, these are all integrated questions. Okay. Going from the shelter to the 01:50:00.320 --> 01:50:05.360 seven 11, particularly in quick trip. Okay. And then, um, of course we have, we're going to have 01:50:05.360 --> 01:50:10.640 a bit more conversation on that, on, on section F when they bring that back, uh, it's the report 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:15.760 that's discussing bike lanes and practical perspectives. So we'll get to hear about that, 01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:22.320 um, next month. Maybe they'll have more information for us tack your, your, your questions and 01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:29.360 concerns onto that section. Okay. Well, if there's not anything else that, um, can be discussed here, 01:50:29.360 --> 01:50:37.280 we, I am recommending, um, you have to do a motion to close, but we're recommending, uh, that we're 01:50:37.280 --> 01:50:44.560 going to close this session at 1153. Thank you all very much for your service. Thank you all for 01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:50.720 getting and making the, uh, transition onto this committee. And I also want to tell the public out 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:56.720 there, if you're still listening, please know that there is some significant coordination. 01:50:57.360 --> 01:51:03.200 We know about the streets. Our biggest complaints is about our streets. We said we, all the people 01:51:03.200 --> 01:51:09.600 that are coming in, we put it on our platforms as you know, um, public service people that are 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:14.160 coming in to sit in these seats and we're going to work on these streets. We really literally are 01:51:14.160 --> 01:51:18.160 working on the streets. So give us a little bit of grace. And I say us, I mean, all of us, 01:51:18.160 --> 01:51:23.440 this entire city, you, me, everybody, we need to give ourselves some grace on, on getting these 01:51:23.440 --> 01:51:29.280 streets together. We're just a growing city and this comes with the, um, as you can see, 01:51:29.280 --> 01:51:35.360 there's a lot to speak on, but this goes with just growing up. So thank you all and you all 01:51:35.360 --> 01:51:39.600 have a great rest of the day. Appreciate it. We'll close it out at 1154.