1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,640 We are here for the mobility committee in the council work session room. 2 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,440 It appears as though a quorum is present. 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:25,740 We've added a couple of additional people to this committee and we're going to have 4 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:30,480 some explanation in that regard here in just a moment. 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,600 Do we have any citizen's comments available? 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Did we get anything from citizens or anyone here? 7 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Visitors? 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,640 Okay. 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,840 All right, so we're going to move on. 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:52,280 So items for individual consideration, AMC 24-002, receive nominations and elect the 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,000 committee chair and vice chair. 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Yes, Councilmember Beck. 13 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:06,280 I'm going to move that we generally keep the structure the way it was even though it was 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:12,360 technically a different committee and therefore for this first half of the item, I'm going 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,680 to nominate you for chair. 16 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,680 Okay. 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,000 Thank you. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,440 And I will accept the nomination. 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Let me have a second. 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,560 I'll second. 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Okay. 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,560 All right. 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Moved and second. 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,560 Can we get a vote? 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Yay. 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Yes. 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Raise your hand. 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,560 You raise your hand. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,560 And we're kind of informal, a little bit informal. 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,560 I would like to see all of your qualifications for the position first of all. 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,560 I have a car. 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,560 Hey, hey, you drive one of them, Rose. 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,560 All right. 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Yes, I do. 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,560 That's good enough for me then. 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,560 Well, all right. 37 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Let's move to second. 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,560 You got my vote. 39 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:50,880 I'm going to approve that I will state a position as the committee chair and now we have a vice 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,880 chair. 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,880 We have a motion for vice chair. 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Dr. Becker, are we doing the same thing? 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Will you accept? 44 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:00,920 Same thing? 45 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,040 I will accept it if you're motioning otherwise, if everyone continues to send other hands, 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,040 I will nominate myself. 47 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,040 Yes. 48 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,040 I would like to nominate Dr. Becker as vice chair. 49 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,040 All right. 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,040 We have a second. 51 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Okay. 52 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,040 We have a second. 53 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Okay. 54 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,940 So it's been moved to second and accepted by Dr. Becker for vice chair. 55 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:24,680 So we'll put that on the roll. 56 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Is there any discussion? 57 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,680 Is there any discussion? 58 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,680 I've got one point. 59 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Okay. 60 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,680 We have one point. 61 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Yeah. 62 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,680 I understand why the chair should be a council member. 63 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Yes. 64 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,680 I don't love that the vice chair should be a council member. 65 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,800 I would rather the vice chair not be a council member, but I understand. 66 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,800 I'm not crying. 67 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,800 I'm just putting it out there. 68 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,360 Is there any further discussion? 69 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,200 The ordinance that established the committee does state that the chair and vice chair have 70 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,200 to be council members. 71 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Yes. 72 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,200 I know. 73 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,200 I know. 74 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,200 I'm just crying publicly. 75 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,200 Okay. 76 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,200 I just wanted to clarify. 77 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Yes. 78 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Clarification. 79 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Okay. 80 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,200 So is vote in order? 81 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,200 Yes. 82 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,200 Read your name. 83 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Yes. 84 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,200 All right. 85 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,200 So it's been approved that the vice chair would continue to be Dr. Becker. 86 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,200 I will move on to be MC 24-003. 87 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,680 Receive a report, hold a discussion and approve the mobility committee 2024 meeting schedule. 88 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:26,180 Is there a presentation? 89 00:03:26,180 --> 00:03:32,440 We don't have a presentation for this one, but Megan's gonna show you the proposed schedule. 90 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:39,160 It's the last Wednesday of every month and the red circles are the proposed meeting dates 91 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,160 at 10 a.m. 92 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Yes. 93 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,040 We have a question. 94 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Madam chair, I don't love September, so why do we have three council meetings in September? 95 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Due to budget. 96 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,960 Is one of them intended to be a placeholder in case like we've done in previous years 97 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,420 or are we set, we're gonna do three? 98 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:07,560 So the current budget calendar is scheduled for budget adoption on the 17th. 99 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,160 However, if we don't get council consensus on the 17th, it'll move to the 24th. 100 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,400 So that's the contingency meeting, if you will. 101 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,120 The 24th is a contingency meeting. 102 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Yes. 103 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Okay. 104 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,520 Which mirrors what we've done in the previous two years, right? 105 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,080 We've actually moved the schedule up compared to the last two years. 106 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,080 Usually you're adopting the very last meeting in September, so we've proposed to adopt at 107 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,080 that second meeting. 108 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,720 I mean, I know what I'm talking about, that extra meeting as a placeholder because I don't 109 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,520 believe we used that the previous year. 110 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Correct. 111 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Okay. 112 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,520 All right. 113 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Then that's my qualms. 114 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,520 All right. 115 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,520 You sure have a lot of qualms. 116 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,520 I do. 117 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,520 You know what? 118 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 You're really getting reeled up. 119 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 I know. 120 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,520 Pray for me. 121 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Okay. 122 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,520 We'll pray for you. 123 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,520 I'm on one. 124 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,520 All right. 125 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Is there any other questions after this? 126 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Yeah. 127 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,520 I don't have any problem with the schedule. 128 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:03,920 I know everyone that I'm out in July, so whatever that means ... I mean, we have additional members 129 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:11,240 now, so it should be easy to achieve quorum, so it should matter less that I am out, but 130 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,680 I just throw that out there for people's future planning and consideration. 131 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Do any of our new members see anything in this regard, the time factor involved? 132 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,840 We used to meet a little earlier. 133 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:26,840 Things like that can change. 134 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:27,840 Yes, ma'am? 135 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:28,840 Do you have it? 136 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:29,840 Is this on? 137 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:30,840 Yes. 138 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:31,840 It's on. 139 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:32,840 Okay. 140 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:33,840 Thank you. 141 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:34,840 As far as I know, I'm available for all. 142 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:39,120 10 a.m. works great for me. 143 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,040 I was going to cry about 10, but I can put my finger up and tell which way the wind blows. 144 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,040 It's okay. 145 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,040 Okay. 146 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Y'all who don't want to get up early, it's all right. 147 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,040 All right. 148 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,040 Love y'all anyway. 149 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,040 As long as you're here by 10, I'm too. 150 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Anyone want to meet on Christmas? 151 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,040 I'm open to that. 152 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,040 Just so we can slot a week. 153 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,040 All right. 154 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,040 Well, it sounds like we have a consensus that these dates will be okay. 155 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:09,000 We don't have to vote on that. 156 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 We have the motion. 157 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 All right. 158 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 So we have motion to approve. 159 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,640 The date says noted. 160 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Motion to approve. 161 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Okay. 162 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Second. 163 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Second. 164 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,640 So it's been moved and second. 165 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Discussion. 166 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Any additional discussion? 167 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,640 Okay. 168 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,640 All right. 169 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,640 So let's vote on that. 170 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Say aye. 171 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,640 Raise your hand. 172 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Aye. 173 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Aye. 174 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:29,640 All right. 175 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,640 So it's unanimous. 176 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Thank you for that. 177 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:39,840 So we'll move on to CMC two fours dash zero zero four received training and hold a discussion 178 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:45,320 regarding the roles and responsibility of the mobility advisory committee and new member 179 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,160 orientation. 180 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Good morning, chair, vice chair, members of the mobility committee, Cassie Ogden, assistant 181 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,400 city manager. 182 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,720 First, I want to start by welcoming our new members to the mobility committee. 183 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:07,600 We're excited you're here brief orientation, not very long, but because the committee makeup 184 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,880 has changed, just kind of go over the roles of the committee, kind of what you can expect 185 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,560 on the agendas moving forward and the staff members that you'll be seeing presenting information. 186 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,640 So as you know, council approved the ordinance that created this committee in January. 187 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,840 It is an advisory committee to council. 188 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,260 And so the chair and vice chair must be council members. 189 00:07:29,260 --> 00:07:34,020 And that was at the direction of this committee, the previous committee, I should say mobility 190 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:38,480 committee when it was a subcommittee of council. 191 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,440 Our meetings, as you just approved, are held the last Wednesday of each month at 10 a.m. 192 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,440 right here in the work session room. 193 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Our meetings are recorded, and the video agenda and minutes are posted on the city's website. 194 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,600 If you don't have the address, I'm happy to provide that. 195 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,560 In the absence of the city council adopted rules of procedures, we follow Robert's rules 196 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,640 of orders. 197 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,840 If you need any additional training that is available through the city secretary's office. 198 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,300 And we do have opportunity for citizens to comment on agenda items. 199 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:13,240 So those each speaker is given a total of three minutes per agenda item. 200 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,280 So the role of the committee and this is really outlined in the ordinance that was that established 201 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,060 the committee. 202 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:23,640 So this committee provides information advice and makes recommendations to city council 203 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,460 regarding traffic safety, education, publicity, ways of improving traffic conditions and safety 204 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:35,180 for motor vehicles, ways and means of improving bicycle and pedestrian safety and implementation 205 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:38,700 of traffic control devices. 206 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:44,840 Our agendas, you can expect to see a monthly status for on system projects provided by 207 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,420 our consultant, innovative transportation solutions, you're going to be hearing from 208 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:53,600 John Polster next on the agenda, he will get an update of all of those kind of projects 209 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,880 related to state highways. 210 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,280 City council or I'm sorry, city staff provides city specific transportation project updates 211 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,720 in the way of presentations and or staff memos. 212 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,440 These are for informational purposes, usually no committee action item is required. 213 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:15,800 And then the way to add new items to the agenda, those we do have a future agenda topics matrix 214 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,500 that we keep track of new agenda items. 215 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:20,480 It's provided as part of the backup. 216 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,360 But any new agenda topics are added at the chair's discretion. 217 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,840 And then I wanted to give some staff introductions for those of you that may not know. 218 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Again, I've already introduced myself, but then as our committee parliamentarian, he 219 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,680 is from our city attorney's office, he's the first assistant city attorney. 220 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:46,720 So if there's any legal questions or issues with council procedures, he's he's the man 221 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,000 to ask Scott McDonald is not here today, but he's our director of development services 222 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,640 over planning and then building inspections. 223 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:02,520 And I apologized already to Dr. Farhan, but but he is our deputy director of transportation. 224 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,680 I did not put his title on here. 225 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,680 So that is my apologies. 226 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:11,240 But he's all things transportation planning related, you'll be hearing from him shortly 227 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,380 and next couple of agenda items. 228 00:10:14,380 --> 00:10:18,560 We also have a general manager of engineering capital projects position that's currently 229 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:19,560 vacant. 230 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:21,440 We are going through a recruitment process. 231 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,160 So I'll be giving you updates probably at the next meeting on on that. 232 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,380 And then Trevor crane is our director of capital projects. 233 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:33,320 He's the one you want to talk to when all of those construction projects are causing 234 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,640 you traffic delays. 235 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:46,560 And then our deputy city engineer, also here, and you'll be hearing from him also. 236 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,800 I wanted to provide some additional resources for you, the handbook for boards and commission 237 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,400 members you should have already received. 238 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,240 But if you didn't, please let me know and we'll get with city secretary's office. 239 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,360 I've linked all of the other items directly to the website. 240 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,240 So the mobility plan, our comp plan, our vision zero plan, our capital improvement plan, which 241 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:10,760 is our funding mechanism, how we how we're planning to use those funds for the projects. 242 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,280 And then our development services website just has general development code design documents, 243 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,500 criteria manuals, everything you want to know about developing in Denton. 244 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:23,720 Hopefully these are good resources for you, but I'm happy to provide more if you need 245 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,960 if you have any specific questions. 246 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,960 And that is all I have. 247 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,520 And I'm happy to take any questions that you may have. 248 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Yes. 249 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:40,160 I'm curious, will there be an alternate member for this committee? 250 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,000 It's not currently outlined in the ordinance that I've that I'm aware of. 251 00:11:45,000 --> 00:12:00,040 I didn't see that's why I asked any other questions. 252 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,040 I have a question. 253 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,040 Yes. 254 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,900 So I understand that the topics that are added will be at the discretion of the chair. 255 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:15,880 Are those topics going to you all go to the city and they're going to come to me or will 256 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,920 they be discussed here first and then we could talk about adding them or not? 257 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,160 Yes, that's generally how we deal with the discussion amongst the committee members about 258 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,560 potential topics. 259 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:33,600 And then we'll get your direction on where to add them and what day you would like to 260 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:34,600 see it on the agenda. 261 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Okay. 262 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,600 All right. 263 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,600 Thank you. 264 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Thank you. 265 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,600 Any other questions? 266 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,600 Everybody has an opportunity. 267 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,600 Okay. 268 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Thank you very much. 269 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,400 It's Cassie. 270 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:54,040 So we'll move on to DMC two three days zero seven eight receive a report and hold a discussion 271 00:12:54,040 --> 00:13:09,360 regarding city of didn't transportation mobility project status report. 272 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,800 My name is John Polster. 273 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Now you work with innovative transportation solutions and I've been working with the city 274 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:26,080 for probably two decades now on all things text I related and this is the report we provide 275 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:34,480 monthly and we'll go over it and I may do it in a little bit more detail than usual 276 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:41,600 since we have new members and in the physical report if you may have it on your laptops 277 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:49,440 at the back there's a glossary of terms that you can either ask me or look because transportation 278 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,760 has its own language. 279 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:59,640 So first this is just a general look at what we think the total cost of these projects 280 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:07,240 are going to be that we're working on and who is the primary mover on it outside of 281 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:13,160 the city or the state and the dollar amounts associated with those projects so we're about 282 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:19,800 to go over just shy of five billion dollars worth of roadway improvements and so the first 283 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,440 one I'll go over this what you see on the spreadsheet first and then it references a 284 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,520 map that has color coding but what I always provide the committee is the CSJ which is 285 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:39,560 basically the social security number of the project what we're doing what it's going 286 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:45,640 to cost and then if there's money in this category column that means it's funded either 287 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:53,720 partially or fully and then there are the key dates that you have to hit to get a project 288 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,920 under construction is you got to get a schematic approved which is basically a general idea 289 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:06,800 what the road is environmental clearance then once you're cleared you begin right away acquisition 290 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,640 and then once that right away acquisition is completed you start making relocations to 291 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:19,140 any utilities are in conflict and then once you get those four things done the projects 292 00:15:19,140 --> 00:15:23,800 is considered what we say ready to let and ready to let means that all four of those 293 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,960 things are done and if it doesn't have a let date that means that there's probably not 294 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:36,640 funding for the project yet and part of what our firm does for the city is assisting getting 295 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,880 those dollars from the state or the council governments and the let date is when it actually 296 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:50,000 will go to construction or be let out for a bid for the contractors this project is 297 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:58,360 split into four different segments for various reasons the blue one is actually under construction 298 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:06,000 now it was part of the 455 improvements from the high school on the east out to the western 299 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:13,480 part of the county and so we included that interchange in that 455 project and then the 300 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,160 other three projects are broken out by cost because if they go above a certain dollar 301 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:25,320 amount they are held to a little bit higher scrutiny so what the state does is they simply 302 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,840 break them down into smaller projects the one that the city is most interested in is 303 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:38,800 a section from 77 north to basically just south of Sanger and that project is 074 and 304 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:52,480 it has a ready to let March of 2025 and essentially that means that all of these utilities that 305 00:16:52,480 --> 00:17:00,120 you see on the sheet in one place or another you'll see that they're going to be done 306 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:10,040 by March of 2024 and that sets your ready to let date for that segment the yellow when 307 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,560 you see yellow on the report that means it changed from last month when you saw it that 308 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:20,320 way you don't have to guess what's different on the report and when you're dealing with 309 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,560 utilities you want to see yellow all the time because you want something to have been done 310 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:36,040 since the last time we met so that's that's the 35 job it's a it's a 800 million dollar 311 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:46,640 project from 77 north all the way to the cook denton county line and if you got questions 312 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,040 just raise your hands or whatever though okay I think we have a question here is it appropriate 313 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,740 to interject here absolutely it's your committee well I mean I just want you to make sure that 314 00:17:56,740 --> 00:18:02,520 you're done you know yes ma'am more you're okay so what we'll do is whenever you're done 315 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,080 with your presentation on each one of them yes ma'am instead of us interjecting while 316 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:15,720 you're going through the front pro going through it yes sir so I know that there were changes 317 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:25,220 in their ongoing variabilities in the rodeo property placement in 74 the outer loop connectivity 318 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:31,220 I think a meeting or maybe two ago you were talking about pumping into the aquifer plants 319 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:39,560 in this region have any of those impacted 74 in so yes sir changes and I was going to 320 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,920 cover that in the outer loop but we'll do it here oh seven four includes where the outer 321 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:54,820 loop is going to hit my road the outer loop won't be cleared until I think 26 this project 322 00:18:54,820 --> 00:19:00,080 goes under the knife next year so they're going to be building where we where the city 323 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:07,580 has the outer loop and your thoroughfare plan and master plan is around my road but we don't 324 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:14,520 know exactly where the outer loops going to tie into my 35 mile on because of the expo 325 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:21,280 and all the development on the west side of 35 and you'll note the malam go straight over 326 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:30,520 to 156 we want to hold that corridor because that will help us in the future when 156 becomes 327 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:38,280 the outer outer loop but since the expo we won't know what's going on with the expo for 328 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:44,940 another six or seven months 35 has got to go under the knife right now what text that's 329 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:52,480 agreed to do is that malam road instead of having a 200 foot opening for malam road they're 330 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,480 going to have a thousand foot long bridge where they're just going to take the road 331 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:04,080 up and keep it up for a thousand feet from where malam road north hits to south of where 332 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,560 malam road south hit so we can bring the outer loop anywhere we need to within that thousand 333 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:27,040 feet based upon what happens on the expo so you got you know i've got let me see if it 334 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,080 shows it probably doesn't show better on the outer loop so malam road hits on the east 335 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:43,240 it hits north and then on the west it hits south so we're talking about is y'all usually 336 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,840 have it on right where malam hits on the north though the coming on the east side it's kind 337 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,640 of where you wanted it on your thoroughfare plan but the region's also saying we need 338 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:59,400 to be able to get that road further east or west to 156 and with the expo going there 339 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:06,600 malam road going west is a natural corridor for the expo to leave so we can't say where 340 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,120 the outer loop is going to be till it's environmentally cleared but so the state's going to leave 341 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:18,760 a thousand foot bridge hole for us to get under depending on where we hit in that orientation 342 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:26,920 hi john i'm susie and i know you've been here for a hot minute because i was watching 343 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,460 a video from 2007 and you popped up and i was like man he's been here for a while so 344 00:21:31,460 --> 00:21:36,880 appreciate all your work i have a general question so sometimes if residents are going 345 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,480 to an input meeting for a tech stop project sometimes it it feels like this has already 346 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,720 been pretty set correct kind of at what point does it become pretty set where it's really 347 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,520 hard to change anything significant excellent question so the life of a project in the state's 348 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,560 world when you first start doing the schematic you have what's called public meetings and 349 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,440 typically the state requires whoever's doing the work at least three public meetings during 350 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:11,240 the life of the project those meetings are actually meetings where the schematics are 351 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,520 laid out the people come in they tell you where they live they tell you what the concerns 352 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:25,040 are and then the state and the consultant try to minimize those impacts as much as possible 353 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,480 as the project progresses and the schematic gets approved and it moves into full environmental 354 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,680 clearance the last thing that you do for the project is have what's called a public hearing 355 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:41,680 and those are the ones you probably feel like you have less input than the other meetings 356 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:48,360 and that's because you do have less input it's a when they say it's a public hearing 357 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,200 they're there to literally hear what you have to say and then they won't respond to you 358 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:59,000 at the meeting they will respond to the document so that when the document is submitted to 359 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,320 the federal highway administration via state they will have responded to your answers questions 360 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,160 in the document and the only way to get the answer after the public hearing is to go get 361 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:15,560 the document after it's approved and read what they said so lots of involvement up front 362 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:22,560 but once they land on a alignment that's called technically preferred and locally preferred 363 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,640 you hopefully get the one that's both of those because locally preferred is easier to get 364 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:35,200 through the process than technically preferred once thought that that alignment is identified 365 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:41,600 and cleared it's almost impossible to move that project from that point so the schematic 366 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,080 phase is probably the most important absolutely and at the end of the schematic does that 367 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,160 include right away how much so yes though what the schematic does is it shows you where 368 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,800 the road is from looking down from a satellite how wide it's going to be and who all it 369 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:03,880 impact and it comes down it looks at it at the horizontal view to see where it's cutting 370 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,880 hills down and where it's filling in gaps so you can tell what the grade changes are 371 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,040 and it tells you what the maximum impact is going to be for the project the difference 372 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,120 between a schematic and the plan document is a plan document goes and designs the pavement 373 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:22,360 design tells you where the columns are how many bridge vents are going to be in it but 374 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,360 the schematic tells you what the road is going to be and what the impacts are going to be 375 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:32,200 on the environment thank you appreciate it and then that also you know puts in the mind 376 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:38,680 that that since we are talking about the outer loop there's been conversations about what 377 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,160 it's going to look like so input to being made all right now even though we don't see 378 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,760 anything we can't really imagine it but we know it's going to be huge you know so that 379 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,040 that just kind of ties in right now the timing on the outer lip when we get there I'll tell 380 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,480 I'll say this again the this is the best time for the outer lip to be done because right 381 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,800 now it's a 23 mile long corridor and we have 21 displacements so it's less than one per 382 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:11,320 mile which if you just go into Collin county on their outer loop it's about 20 per mile 383 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:18,440 thank you any other questions okay thank you sir okay the next one south of there is the 384 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:25,520 previous one was from 77 north this is from 77 down to the merge between 35 e and w and 385 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:32,560 it will go under under the knife in april they will be led in april some of the utilities 386 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:39,840 will have a little bit longer time frame to be cleared but what the state will do is they'll 387 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:48,000 let it in april with special provisions for a delayed start so they'll award the contract 388 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,680 but the contractor will bid the project all the contractors will bid the project no and 389 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:58,120 they have a delayed start on the project so if you award the contract and then you have 390 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:06,000 to delay the project the contractor has cause for for compensation but if you put the delayed 391 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,880 start up front and they bid it that way they bid it knowing and so that's what we're going 392 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,880 to do we're going to let the project and the reason we're doing that is because the of 393 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:24,560 the 480 million so these two projects right here are 1.2 billion dollars worth of improvements 394 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:31,520 that are happening in and around city of denton on the on the northwest side of the community 395 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:43,520 of the 480 340 of it is what's called category 12 and category 12 funds have a provision 396 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:52,280 that if you don't hit the let date that you were assigned you're not guaranteed that money 397 00:26:52,280 --> 00:27:00,080 when you are ready so it's a strong incentive not to miss your mark and so we're not going 398 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:11,520 to miss our mark and it'll go because of the new members from the merge on 35a up to 380 399 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:20,480 what will be included since this is the ultimate cross section will be the told managed land 400 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,400 concrete they won't be a toll managed line yet because there's not one between there 401 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:29,560 and the lake but as we build these breakout projects like we're doing it may which will 402 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,200 go over in a second they build the ultimate cross section and the ultimate cross section 403 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:42,120 for 35a through 380 all the way to Dallas is three general purpose lanes up here and 404 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:48,320 then two reversible managed lanes I mean two concurrent managed lanes wanted to in each 405 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,280 direction so the total of four until you get to the merge and it drops down to one in each 406 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:59,160 direction because of the line balance going up to 380 so all the bridge structures that 407 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,280 you see that we're going to be building on this section 35 will be significantly wider 408 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,240 than what we need for the six lines of traffic because we're also building the payment for 409 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:18,840 the future told managed lines I'm done I would probably say this is my personally aside from 410 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,160 a hill this is the the one that I'm most excited about I know that we've had a significant 411 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:31,960 number of fatalities and crashes and you know rearranging of lanes and and all of that that's 412 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,600 come along but I'm really glad to see that this is proceeding ahead and we're seeing 413 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:43,440 2024 yeah you know that's significant for us so this also includes braided ramps and 414 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,180 what that is if you just if you drive down 35w and you go into Fort Worth right before 415 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:51,800 you get to North Fort Worth you see where Western Center Boulevard is you got those 416 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,440 big giant exit ramps and on ramps in the same location though they're great separated they 417 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,920 call those braids and this will have braided ramps on both the northbound and southbound 418 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,600 side so all of that traffic that backs up and clogs up now because they're all trying 419 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,840 to do this will not occur because they'll be doing this they won't be conflicting with 420 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:27,200 each other so it should make that a significantly safer drive but it will be painful you don't 421 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:34,800 have to just just leave it on okay so it seems like a lot of times when we're widening a 422 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,040 major road like this it at least regionally it feels like it's four to five years are 423 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,400 we expecting about that long for construction construction start to construction finish 424 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:50,280 ish ish ish yeah so what happens when the contractor bids the project they bid a number 425 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,760 of days as well but they're working days so they can be a five-day work week a six-day 426 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,200 work week and that could change mid-stride depending upon if we had to do recovery or 427 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:05,000 whatever but what they do put in their bid document is they nobody owns their own barricades 428 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000 all the barricades you see out there are rented and so they put in the number of months that 429 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440 they think those barricades though that they're going to need those barricades so what we 430 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:20,500 do they let the project we communicate to you the number of months that they are renting 431 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:24,960 those barricades and that gives you an idea what the contractor thinks the time frame 432 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,960 is but typically when you're taking a project like this unless it's a design build project 433 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,720 you're usually going to talk for four and a half years construction and the reason design 434 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:42,000 bill can go faster is because they get to use what's called dynamic traffic control what 435 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,960 dynamic traffic control is is that you may go to work in the morning and the road is 436 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,540 in configuration a when you come back in the afternoon you're not guaranteed that it's 437 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:58,600 in configuration a it could be in configuration d so they can move the traffic around dynamically 438 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:05,280 and on a design bid build project part of the bid is phasing of the project which is 439 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,680 traffic control and that's locked in and they have to get changes from the state if they 440 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,800 want to change that traffic control and they have to come back to the city and make sure 441 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:24,720 the city is okay with that a lot of the time let me let me say this I just want to be mindful 442 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:32,920 of our time no disrespect no I already know what I know I know and I'm recognizing that 443 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,800 you're it didn't try to give us as much as we can but we're in a time constraint for 444 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:45,200 all of us I'm talking to everybody in the room all right you'll just be mindful of you 445 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,320 know some some some you know some quick quick answers quick answers and questions yes sir 446 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:57,480 you take the question no no no I didn't mean to run y'all no no no no I'm just saying 447 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,400 I know you know we got no we got a lot of stuff to cover okay I'll just say every fifth 448 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:09,880 word okay so Mayhill the utilities are mostly done the plant that's ready to let in November 449 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,240 of this year and we're going to try to move it up in this current unified transportation 450 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,960 plan which we start doing it in January and they have to approve it in August we're going 451 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,480 to try to move it up closer to the beginning of the year because the money's already there 452 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,540 it's just a matter of putting it in the right month this will be bigger than the interchange 453 00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:34,880 at 288 and 35 just get your mind around that this will have 12 lanes going under it 288 454 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:45,120 only has 10 I'm done any questions I'm excited about seeing that come through me too I live 455 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:52,440 over there I'm ready for the Mayhill job to be done all right so 35 W frontage roads this 456 00:32:52,440 --> 00:33:00,100 is basically from just north is where the rural tracks are we say we say 2449 but it's 457 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:04,200 going to go a little bit north of that all the way down to 407 we're only building the 458 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:12,020 frontage roads right now because we have four lanes of traffic the long short answer is 459 00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:14,820 the reason we're not doing the main lanes right now is because we want to do toll manage 460 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:18,840 lanes in this corridor and right now it's not great it's not grandfathered so we're 461 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,160 waiting for politics to change footprints the same so we're just building the frontage 462 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:33,880 roads I've got a question here so for that region I know a 2449 or whatever that road 463 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:41,120 they there's a because the creek bridges and everything there's a significant flooding 464 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:49,760 issue that has been here forever right and and so what with this sort of phasing that 465 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,080 you're describing what would we anticipate the flood management to be in that there is 466 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:03,640 no nobody wants to do that job so from where the merge ends on the previous project and 467 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,040 where ours begins at 2449 that trauma area you're talking about is not in either one 468 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,800 of those jobs so they're probably going to do it when we come back and do the main lanes 469 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:22,320 which is a long time we're doing the 2449 to 407 and 407 to dell earnhardt and then 470 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,660 someday we're going to come back and do the creek because there's no developable land 471 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:37,880 there it is just a flood issue and so it's going to be the last man standing okay this 472 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:45,200 is when I say 383 77 it's basically 380 from Luke 288 out to 377 it's essentially done 473 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,320 we're doing a little bit of cleanup on the east end of the project as it ties into the 474 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:59,880 next project that's being built but essentially it's open to traffic is six lanes with the 475 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:07,560 raised median and after we're done they'll be lighting on the western part and a little 476 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,560 bit on the eastern part but there will not be any continuous lighting in the core of 477 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:19,000 engineers area because they don't allow it it freaks out the animals apparently the cars 478 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,960 don't do anything to them but the lights do oh you know and that was going to be my question 479 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:38,400 but my also my concern is is that those raised they don't have any reflection on them not 480 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:45,680 yes that the shopping is a stripping all that's the last thing that you'll do because they 481 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:53,600 got a terrible the temporary markings first okay yeah I saw the truck go through last 482 00:35:53,600 --> 00:36:01,040 week and was putting some markings down on the road that was good anybody else on 380 483 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,280 and so just for the new members what I do is the next page you see is a report that 484 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,240 we get from text art about the status and they tell us what they're doing what they've 485 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:17,600 done what they plan to do and any impacts to traffic so that the city can adapt and 486 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:24,120 deal with that going forward are you looking at furniture so down here on the bottom where 487 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:31,280 it ties into 35 that's actually 2449 it'll be absorbed into the loop the loop 288 is 488 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,680 a controlled access facility that means it has main lanes frontage roads and grade separations 489 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:43,480 at major cross streets and we are environmentally cleared back in 2020 it's going to take us 490 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,880 until December 24 this year to get all the right away which there's a report here it 491 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,320 tells you how many parcels we have and where we're at in that process and then we're in 492 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,400 the process of designing it we have about 4 million of the 220 million we need so between 493 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:05,680 now and April of 26 part of what we do for our clients has helped find that those dollars 494 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,720 and bring them to the project and we'll do the northbound inside frontage road first 495 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,800 because that sets the developable parameters for the road so you can develop to the road 496 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,200 and not have to worry about in the future it changing because it'll be the northbound 497 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:28,120 frontage road can you give our new members an idea a visually of the idea of where that's 498 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,920 going to be where it's going to begin we can see where it's going to begin 288 but where 499 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:39,080 it's going to end oh up by the north starts at 288 up north so whether your water tower 500 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:48,880 is where we're barely missing that water tower and then it curves south it hits 380 basically 501 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,880 that to where it says 288 that used to be where the city was going to do their next 502 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,480 runway 5000 foot out but then the airport decided they were only going to do one runway 503 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,360 where they were going to put the runway was the best place to put the road so we put the 504 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:08,160 road there so and then it ties in to 2499 right here at the curve 2449 at the curve 505 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:15,240 and this is existing 2449 and then this is vintage going into town there'll be what's 506 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:21,480 called direct connects those big bridges to go northbound to 288 and southbound to 288 507 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,120 but there will not be any direct connects going into vintage because it's a residential 508 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:33,240 area and then there will be full direct connects at 288 north where you can go from 288 to 509 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:40,800 go north 35 to 288 to go south 35 288 to go north 35 288 to go south 35 and not never 510 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:48,440 stop it interchange so on the first one on the environmental reevaluation what what what 511 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,640 generated the need for the reevaluation what what's going on there so when we came down 512 00:38:52,640 --> 00:39:00,640 here underwood so text that's when they did the schematic back in whenever the guy that 513 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,040 was doing it for text that ignored your thoroughfare plan down in that area and they're not supposed 514 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,440 to do that they're supposed to accommodate you so when we caught that we were already 515 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,600 in environmental clearance and right away acquisition and where the road needed to be 516 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,960 wasn't hadn't been cleared yet because it was the wrong location we had in text I'd 517 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,480 had in the wrong location not not y'all so it was decided that it was important enough 518 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,480 to everybody to do a quick reeval while we were requiring the right-of-way to make sure 519 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:40,720 underwood ties in properly in the right location I appreciate that thank you all right 520 00:39:40,720 --> 00:40:02,040 so oftentimes folks who are fishing they pull off on the south side and when a lot of those 521 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560 folks from the city when they leave they've got to go to work crossroads and then hang 522 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,080 a ui any idea what's gonna happen to that is that carve out gonna still be there for 523 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:16,520 those folks to park and fish there it should be because it's actually it's an actual driveway 524 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,920 and so if it was there before the state always puts it back and I go drive out there because 525 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:28,960 it should be there okay um any thought to adding some no u-turn signs might be safe 526 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,720 to make those when I'm headed to work early morning I see it oftentimes at that time of 527 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,160 day when traffic is just to ramp it up any thought to maybe making those folks go down 528 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:43,680 to that's 7-eleven on the corner and then turn there rather than hang a u-turn so the 529 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:50,200 state allows u-turns at medians at the end when you see a no u-turn sign up it's because 530 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,360 it's in the city of some city and the city has ordinance on on that so to the extent 531 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,160 that it's within the city of Denton and you want to do look at that you can it's right 532 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:09,240 on the bridge yeah no no but they build when they build a six-lane road they build it so 533 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,480 that they when you make a u-turn it's supposed to be a safe movement last one when the when 534 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,280 the farmers market opens on Saturdays there's a lot of traffic and congestion going eastbound 535 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,000 in that right lane from people trying to get in trying to find parking any idea how to 536 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,520 navigate that that should be a Saturday morning headache yeah so when and I didn't make these 537 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,680 rules up I'm just telling you what they tell you what they're gonna tell you when they 538 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,560 build a six-lane facility like that the outside right lane is a essentially continuous right 539 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:49,640 turn line so it's there for that reason so I don't know I can do that's official I appreciate 540 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,040 well you know in the end you know just thinking about that there is a neighborhood called 541 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:02,880 Lakeview out there where the where the road had been extended over one to make a safe 542 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,640 right turn right and then you go down and you have the farmers market and there's no 543 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:15,400 you know bumping in to do that how does something like that work so like that I'll have to go 544 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,400 look because if that's I think that's something to do with the volume of the traffic on that 545 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:26,880 on that road typically the state doesn't do deceleration lanes on a six lane facility 546 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,960 but they will if the situation warrants it I think maybe the difference is because that's 547 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,960 a neighborhood there's constant in and out versus the Saturday morning situation where 548 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,360 you know we can we can expect for more traffic to be in that area on a Saturday morning so 549 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:50,280 I'm just trying to justify so up here where we were talking about 288 time into 35 at 550 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:58,520 the existing 288 what you have is that's this location right here and right now 288 by ordinance 551 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:04,560 is operating as a freeway which means there's no access to the main lanes other than across 552 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,360 street what this project does is adds the frontage roads to turn it into an actual controlled 553 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,120 access facility like the 288 that we just talked about is going to be and the what 380 554 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:22,680 is going to be in the future so we're adding frontage roads and grade separations where 555 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:29,440 the city is recommending or requesting them and where they make sense so it's a we just 556 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:37,320 started it we're looking at getting the schematic approved in January and then July of next 557 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,200 year so to answer your question we're getting pretty close to if you got concerns about 558 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:51,640 what we're doing the state will be less and less receptive but we meet every two weeks 559 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:57,280 with city staff or so on developments and everything to make sure that we're as much 560 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:04,760 on top of it as we can be thank you I have a you I always have a lot of questions on 561 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:10,240 this because it's my own territory and I hear from all the residents on this so I know that 562 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:20,240 we're anticipating closing Kings Row connection where it is now or Kings Row connects in eastbound 563 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:28,800 to the loop and opening up Windsor but then that does so you know that the precise alignment 564 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,520 is going to be all the devils in the details kind of thing because the logistics barn I've 565 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:40,400 asked you about that the the the cemetery the the placement of the church the word where 566 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:48,480 we're going over the railroad so do we have enough feel for this final alignment that 567 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,480 we can talk about those issues yet absolutely we can we we had like I said we have fairly 568 00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:02,880 regular meetings about this and we met with what's the building out there the Southwire 569 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:09,960 so we actually met with Southwire text that city and county and said hey where we're coming 570 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,240 with that the one that was impacting the church those ones that were further to the east we 571 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:19,160 nixed those because that was too many impacts too much trouble too much trauma and it wasn't 572 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,480 doing what the original intent was which is directly connect 380 288 not be another extension 573 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,560 of the freeway so we pulled it in tighter we're basically hitting in the Southwire development 574 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:39,160 and it was in those meetings that city staff said hey Windsor is going to be a pretty big 575 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,240 deal in the future and it's hard for tech stock to get Kings Road to work so we were 576 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:50,480 asking you to move that full grade separation to Windsor and then make it right in right 577 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,320 out but they only have to go to Windsor which will be Texas U-turns so they wanted to go 578 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,680 too far out of their way to go back the other direction but that was a week I think we do 579 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,880 need to have a meeting on that specifically because that was a request made by city staff 580 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,920 your development folks and this is where we think the interchange needs to be and so we 581 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,520 adopted that. 582 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:19,440 So I'm going to bounce off John and if staff and John could get together and let me know 583 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:25,200 what the anticipated alignments are because the questions that I'm getting are some of 584 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,600 the ones you just brought up how are you going to go eastbound on Kings Road how are you going 585 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,400 to get into Deerwood what's the bus route and the pedestrian bike routes going to be 586 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:43,880 because that's where they go through now excellent if the access ramp connects essentially across 587 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:50,160 from Windsor where Windsor is now the 380 access ramp what does that mean for the Windsor 588 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,200 connection on the west side and how does that affect traffic so these are sort of questions 589 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,880 that this this general northeast corridor is sort of like I can't envision it so they 590 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,840 don't know yet what whether to support or complain so I think I think what my I'm going 591 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:14,560 to jump out of my skis here but the state is in this process of the public hearing public 592 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,160 meeting cycle so they want to hear about what needs to be done because now's the time to 593 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,040 get it fixed the way we all want it so I think I won't go back to Texas and say hey maybe 594 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,400 we can just make a small presentation to the mobility committee and treat it like a public 595 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,600 meeting since it's public publicized or whatever and just come in and kind of go over the nuts 596 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:41,400 and bolts of it all I think I'd really appreciate that I think the neighbors would too you know 597 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,240 there's with with this connection with the outer loop connection that the northeast corridor 598 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,360 is is getting a lot of well we'll call it love I'll put in air quotes right now it's 599 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:56,200 getting a lot of love right now and desktop on Friday last Friday they're doing mobility 600 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,400 2050 update and they pulled me aside because I represent Denton County on the technical 601 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,560 committee and they said we're in the early stages but our mobility 2050 is showing two 602 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:12,440 things that are are unique to what history has been in the past one is that Denton County's 603 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:18,200 demographics are going to exceed column counting so we're going to pass them up in population 604 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:25,040 and they said the reason is is because we're our future focus on our infrastructure for 605 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,840 that out year time frame from county line to county line and Collin County is only from 606 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:36,520 Collin County Denton County to about two miles east of 75 the rest of that's dragon country 607 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:42,880 right there's no way to live out there there's more cattle than people so 288 is important 608 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:49,840 three eight is going to be a freeway out of loops important and that's just to stay even 609 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:55,800 with what we have now as far as congestion so what is it that set up no I'd love that 610 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:06,360 and if as part of that this is a common word of the staff the the sort of for the pieces 611 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,680 when so John's responsible for the tech stock components but like on Windsor at a certain 612 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,160 distance for outside the right away from 288 it's back to our responsibility or it goes 613 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,700 back away from being mixed right but then there's there's tremendous heartburn about 614 00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,880 opening that up because they don't they don't want that to be a speedway Windsor is already 615 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:33,560 an arterial which is fine no one's really beefing about that it is what it is but there's 616 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:40,080 concern that in that residential section opening up too much so the the thing that you know 617 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,280 I will come back to you is traffic calming as you exit on to Windsor or you're going 618 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,000 from Windsor well you don't need traffic coming to get back on 288 but that that little piece 619 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:57,360 do we need some traffic calming just after we exit tech stock territory to to get them 620 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,680 quickly down to speed as it were right so so that's a city that's a city thing so if 621 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,100 as part of that may be two segments that may be two different requests and I'll bring it 622 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:13,840 up again in the matrix but if we could if we could get with John and give us some some 623 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,680 clues that way we get the feedback started now and the the more the earlier we get the 624 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:24,520 feedback the less screaming and yelling there is we get to the official meetings thank you 625 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:31,120 guys okay so I'm glad that you mentioned the population growth that's coming so I'm always 626 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:37,320 thinking about you know long-term are we giving people multiple mobility option that takes 627 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,400 up a lot of space cost a lot of money to expand roads and keep them up and that kind of thing 628 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,160 so I did talk to Becky to Vinnie about this project before she left some of the key places 629 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:54,560 that somebody on a bicycle crosses the loop right now is Sherman and Kings Row and so 630 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,760 I was just wanting to make sure at this stage that we're considering is there are there 631 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,840 safe crossings to cross the loop at Sherman and it sounds like Windsor is going to be 632 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,320 the alternative later on because you know as time is going on it's getting more and 633 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,640 more uncomfortable and unsafe even for the really confident people to cross right there 634 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:17,520 so I just want to make sure yes not only are we but because we all of the roads if you'll 635 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:25,800 see like 380 going into Decatur there's sidewalks and in this segment on 380 going towards the 636 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,480 green belt we worked with the city to do a 10 foot shared use path so when we build a 637 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,740 road the Federal Highway Administration requires us to accommodate all modes of traffic and 638 00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:42,960 that includes bikes and pedestrians as well so yes those we I think the state is open 639 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,720 right now to finding where y'all want your crossings to be and how to make them safer 640 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:54,640 there are pedestrian crossings and we can even though Kings Row may not traffic wise 641 00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:00,760 car wise cross there that doesn't mean that that we can't accommodate pedestrians in some 642 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,160 or bicycles of some manner it's just that we can't have one we can't have a split interchange 643 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:11,240 that close together because of the traffic it's more just I guess emphasizing the crossing 644 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:15,840 part because a lot of times we focus on corridors but not the actual crossing so it can be multiple 645 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,240 lanes of high-speed traffic you're crossing so I just want to make sure that's staying 646 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:23,400 part of the conversation specifically with Sherman and I guess Windsor well our intent 647 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,360 is to separate the cross streets by great separation so you're not dealing with the high-speed 648 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,360 traffic anymore you're just dealing with the people that are going to turn on that road 649 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:42,240 thank you okay up here you see where we got this little part that's Bonnie brain segment 650 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,120 seven we're in clearing that with our project on 288 but we hold it out as a separate project 651 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,000 and show it to you what we're doing because you have it in your plan is Bonnie ray segment 652 00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:00,400 seven but the federal government cog in the state is paying for segment seven so that's 653 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:07,160 why we're clearing it but it's separate project for y'all that's it's short to you and this 654 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,240 is it for John I apologize John but it it's just a bullet point that for me to bounce 655 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:20,040 off of I know the the the residents in that area are concerned about the city's extension 656 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:25,700 off of John's piece that's not fair to give you all the text but I'm just referring to 657 00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:33,640 it that way off of segment seven here above the yellow so if we as as I know that we don't 658 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:39,640 have any concrete plans for north of this for the realignment as we re-engage north 659 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:46,040 Bonnie Bray how we bend back to north Bonnie Bray but that alignment is of great concern 660 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:52,640 to those residents again it's always the final alignment and devil's in the detail so if 661 00:53:52,640 --> 00:54:03,420 we could get some expectation of the kinds of guidance that we will be pursuing because 662 00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:08,240 I know we don't have a plan so I can't give them a plan but if we could get some some 663 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:14,620 something tonight that can host a town hall and get them to where they're they're feeling 664 00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:22,040 like they're engaged on that sort of thing as we develop our plans north of the second 665 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:31,800 seven thank you FM 1515 y'all call it Airport Road it's going to be six lanes from the freeway 666 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:39,120 to the airport and the state has made several changes over the life of this project to accommodate 667 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:47,100 requests made by the city and that's because the city has agreed not I'm gonna take that 668 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:54,120 back the intent is to have a negotiation and conversation about taking 1515 off system 669 00:54:54,120 --> 00:55:03,400 once it's built because it'll it'll basically be brand new concrete road and it's got a 670 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:11,280 ready to let of June of 2025 and we still got a little bit of way to do go on on the 671 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:17,680 funding yes we have one question yes I have one question this is another one I mentioned 672 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,880 to Becky before she left and it looks like I may have missed the timeline a little bit 673 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,080 but are there going to be bicycle pedestrian so they'll be they'll be sidewalks I know 674 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,520 that for sure because we're required to and I can't remember this project I'll have to 675 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,600 go back and look at the cross-section because for a long time the federal government was 676 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:40,480 requiring us to do a 14 foot outside lane right and that was the bicycle lane I don't 677 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:47,840 know if this was one of those that got done that way or they finally realized the bicycle 678 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,240 community didn't like the 14 foot outside line because that made them have to drive 679 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:56,240 the outside two feet and they like to take up the whole road because it's safer so it 680 00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,760 doesn't accommodate anything so I have to go look but I do know there are sidewalks 681 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:07,080 and we should expect to hear that information the next time we meet I'll just go check and 682 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:15,080 get it back with staff and I guess just publicly I do want to point out that this is a segment 683 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,480 where I've heard a lot of feedback from the community of I want to get a job here but 684 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,440 I can't get there there's not there's not a safe way to get there if I don't have a 685 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,760 job so this is very important to people that they can access the really important jobs 686 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,320 out here so once we go to six lanes with the design we're talking about the road will 687 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,280 be significantly safer for all modes of traffic than it is right now is the Tulane Road looking 688 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:48,880 forward to it yeah I just want to stress that I I held a job out there and for co-workers 689 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,680 who maybe had car trouble right the job was paying $15 or $17 an hour if they had car 690 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,240 trouble all of a sudden they couldn't get to work because they knew that crossing that 691 00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,960 bridge would probably end their life so I think that's very important even in a car 692 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:09,760 yeah but especially on foot or the new road will be significant you'll have more what 693 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,600 they call clear zone safe space in the middle and it's just a design is going to be different 694 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:21,920 and there will be sidewalks so if you have to walk there'll be a safe place to walk not 695 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:30,040 so sure about the bicycle stuff yet but I'll go look thank you 1173 is to the north going 696 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:36,840 out to crumb it ties in at where 77 ties in we're going to try to get at least the part 697 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:44,440 of this project on the east side right away clear utilities move so we can build the connection 698 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:52,640 with the 35 projects so it's there when 1173 comes across a lot of yellow on there that's 699 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,320 a good thing yes it's all the utilities and design outer loop we purposefully give you 700 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:05,840 a big green blob right because we started with 24 alignments and every line that has 701 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,560 a line on a map has somebody that Matt is mad about the line and those lines are there 702 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,440 because we have to look at them because if somebody brings it up the federal government 703 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:23,440 requires us to go explain why that is a good or bad alignment but for those new it's already 704 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,280 established in Collin County at the toll road where it's going to hit it's called the roads 705 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,720 already there you can drive it's called the outer loop toll road northbound southbound 706 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,360 frontage roads already there you can go all the way to Tioga so we know where we're going 707 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:43,120 to start at the county line we have to cross the green belt at 428 because the core says 708 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,960 you're not crossing my green belt anywhere else besides where you already exist that's 709 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:55,360 150 feet of footprint and we need about 500 so right now we're looking at a concept to 710 00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:04,560 stack the freeway we had the frontage roads at grade in the 150 feet the main lanes will 711 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,440 fold in up over them and in the same aerial footprint go over so that we don't miss the 712 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:17,200 we stay inside the 150 feet but that does make us move a historical bridge that the 713 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,960 core is okay with us moving but Texas Parks and Wildlife isn't so we got to work that 714 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,480 work that out but we have to cross at the green belt and we already talked about Milam 715 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:35,520 part of the environmental clearance is what's called community cohesion and Aubrey Denton 716 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:43,200 and not so much Creweville but uh strange enough pilot point comes down pretty far we 717 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,200 have to hit generally where the city has the outer loop in their thoroughfare plan plus 718 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,800 or minus and that's what we're trying to do y'all got it a mile on road and generally 719 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,040 speaking 35 being built it's pretty much going to put a stake in the ground there because 720 00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:03,440 we're going to hit that thousand foot area so those are our three controls Milam green 721 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:10,280 belt at 428 and Collin County's outer loop everything else there's flexibility to minimize 722 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:15,760 impact but right now we have to take two since it's a full-blown environmental impact statement 723 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,520 not just an environmental assessment we had to take two alignments through the public 724 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:27,720 hearing process which means there's two sets of people that are going to be mad when only 725 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,640 one set needs to be mad because only one of those alignments is going to be the actual 726 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:38,520 alignment that's feasible and the one alignment that we're looking at that we can show anytime 727 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:48,720 you know staff wise has 21 displacements for a 23 mile corridor and that's unheard of it 728 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,520 for a project this big and part of this project for the new folks is at the same time in this 729 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,080 exact same area but a little bit further to the west the Corps of Engineers is working 730 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,960 with the Council of Governments to keep the water from flowing from Denton and Wise into 731 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,760 Dallas down the Trinity River because it floods Dallas and they don't want to break their 732 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,240 levees and so they initially just wanted us to retain all the water up here and big giant 733 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:21,200 lakes we didn't think that was a good idea so we're doing a pilot project with TechStat 734 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:28,080 Corps of Engineers and our outer loop project where all of the crossing creeks that cross 735 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,560 our outer loop because we're basically building a 23 mile dam we're going to purchase right 736 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:40,760 away further up expand the floodplain so we can retain the water and then instead of slowly 737 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:46,180 releasing it down river we're looking at a way to best management practices recharge 738 01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:52,520 the aquifers because our aquifers are being depleted so we're trying to do more than one 739 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,520 thing with this road. 740 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,040 Can I see your hand up? 741 01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:03,840 Yeah no I was just wait John I'm done you're done okay so yes if staff if I could get whatever 742 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,680 putative alignments that that you want to to review and I'll say the reason is there's 743 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,960 other projects going in and I think I mentioned this in a meeting or two back where Texas 744 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,760 Parks and Wildlife is potentially going to consider some some expansion in some of the 745 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,520 floodplain in this area and whether or not that's antagonistic or synergistic is really 746 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:31,680 depends on what we're talking about and then I wasn't sure for the area of that's east 747 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:40,380 of Sherman and but all up and down the corridor then but then west as we go over to Shepard 748 01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:45,180 is that where you're talking about doing some recharge as well or most of it is East of 749 01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:46,180 Sherman? 750 01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:50,840 Well no there are fortunately we have this project in basically three segments and for 751 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,800 each one of those three segments there's a different aquifer that we can charge into 752 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,720 because they're once you get up here they go into they go into like fingers as we have 753 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,920 multiple aquifers and so we we're going to try to do the work where we can hit each one 754 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:11,240 of those aquifers with our cleaned water so that we can put it we can recharge all of 755 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:17,440 them so every crossing from Collin County to Milam if there's a north-south crossing 756 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,600 or even a diagonal crossing of where we're going to do the outer loop we're going to 757 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:26,160 take that that floodplain and we are going to work with Texas Parks and Wildlife Corps 758 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:33,160 of Engineers whoever the floodplain administrators are and work on expanding that footprint so 759 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:40,040 that that will be the location we can hold the water long enough for us to treat it and 760 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:50,520 push it into the aquifers and it's not been done it's been done mechanically for for 761 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,600 actual trying to recharge the aquifer but it's never been done as a byproduct of a road 762 01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:05,760 in a more natural flow scenario. Do we anticipate that that is going to be more fallow land 763 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:12,000 or are still developable land? That's why we want to go along the existing creeks right 764 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:17,480 is we want to take what's already kind of fallow and just maybe widen the footprint 765 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:23,360 on the fallow plus maybe widen a little bit of the 500 feet where we come to it so that 766 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:29,200 we can retain water both in the medians if we have to so you might have a constant lake 767 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:36,360 water feature in the middle that's draining into the aquifer and then up north of the 768 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,040 road mostly where we're going to widen that footprint so it had to remain fallow because 769 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,320 it would have to be constantly used for the recharge. Yeah no I appreciate that thank 770 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,520 you. All right thank you thank you those are some good questions and I'm just visualizing 771 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,880 all of this extra water around us and how beautiful that could actually be I like water. 772 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,760 And we're doing a rural cross-section on the outer loop so we're not going to have curb 773 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,720 and gutter it's going to be open dick so that it still flows in with the environment. I 774 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,120 don't do almond locust you all do but I can't tell you this project let in February for 775 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,920 reconstruction and you'll see we tell you that it was Jago and they got 118 working 776 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,480 days and that doesn't mean anything to you but they have eight months of barricades 777 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,880 so they think it's going to take them eight months to do. Okay. They award it into this 778 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:29,480 month which is today tomorrow I can't remember and then depending on how long they get their 779 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:34,880 contracts in and etc you can assume you'll see them in 60 days start working. That'll 780 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:42,200 be great looking forward to that yes ma'am you just leave it on. I don't know if this 781 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,080 is a question for you or city staff is dent it like I know text dots repaving it is Denton 782 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,480 going to get an opportunity to have any say on the final striping or is that just going 783 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,000 back as it is good question. So what actually is going to happen is we're going to defer 784 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,000 a lot of the striping because right after we get this done y'all pass the resolution 785 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:10,960 as a city to take it off system so you can remake it in your own image. Glossary of terms. 786 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,480 So if I said something you didn't understand look up it in the air and you'll find the 787 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:21,280 answer typically and then when I talk about category 12 strategic priority if I cut it 788 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:26,040 like category four or five seven these are the categories of funding that transportation 789 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:32,260 all transportation fits in one of those 12 categories and that's all I have madam chair. 790 01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:38,400 Thank you very much a very informative I appreciate the additional education on that and if we 791 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,640 don't have any other further questions we appreciate you coming through. Glad to be 792 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:49,080 here. All right let's see you again. All right well then we're going to move on to where 793 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:59,680 are we E. M.C. two three there's zero eight zero receive a report and hold a discussion 794 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:22,600 regarding the transportation services division quarterly report. Excited about this part. 795 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:31,880 Good morning madam chair vice chair and committee members. I am for Han but transportation services 796 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:39,920 and I'm going to present some a brief introduction of our programs that we are launching in the 797 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:47,160 new transportation services division and and it will be a really high level picture of 798 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:53,720 the divisions programs and if you guys need more details about any of the these projects 799 01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:03,400 or program items let me know and we can provide those. There have been a lot of requests from 800 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:09,120 the council members about their concerns they were concerns as well about transportation 801 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:18,120 issues and also how we could resolve them in a professional manner and also issues that 802 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:25,600 were the concerns were raised that we have to abide by the guidelines and standards development 803 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:32,480 reviews process had you know that there were some delays there were process issues there 804 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:37,640 as well that their concerns were raised there as well. Road safety mitigation was another 805 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:44,320 important aspect where many queries were coming regarding how we could fix these ongoing road 806 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:54,240 safety issues and improve the safety on Denton streets and city representation at public 807 01:08:54,240 --> 01:09:00,560 agencies at large where you know how we could have a proactive role especially in terms 808 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:07,160 of participating in these strategic meetings and talking about fundings and how what role 809 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:13,920 city could play in some of the important projects that are of regional nature as well. In response 810 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:23,040 to these queries and and all these concerns city management city manager took this strategic 811 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,760 initiative to establish the transportation services division in the development services 812 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:36,960 department. The transportation services division is responsible to assist all overall city 813 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,800 matters that are linked to transportation planning transportation services and also 814 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:52,800 strategic partnership with these public agencies be it text or DCTA and COGS all of those agencies 815 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:59,480 where representation is needed transportation services would fill in those areas as well. 816 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:07,120 The flow chart basically explains the structure of this division and I'm going to be respectful 817 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:14,520 of time I will try to expedite this presentation so that we could complete this as soon as 818 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,520 possible and then if you have any questions we could address those as well. So pre August 819 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:26,160 2023 we had transportation services and transportation planning related elements scattered all over 820 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:34,800 in many departments and the issue was that the communication there was a void in controls 821 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,840 side project control side as well they were voids in terms of who is doing what so all 822 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,880 of those issues were coming and naturally those concerns were being raised by the council 823 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:52,320 members as well. As you can see that many of these focus areas for transportation services 824 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:58,360 and planning were in engineering, some were in streets, capital projects, there were development 825 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:03,560 reviews related issues which were part of development services as well and planning 826 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:09,360 and the list goes on. I have just listed here a couple of focus areas or departments which 827 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:15,360 are which were key but it goes all the way to even police department as well where traffic 828 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:25,200 safety is linked. So keeping that in view post August 2023 when this division was established 829 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:32,520 this is how it looks. Now transportation services division would be responsible for ADA planning 830 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:39,160 and coordination. I will just name a few. Bikebed active transportation is also part 831 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:45,920 of this division and we are looking into prioritization of projects as well. Coordination is active, 832 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,880 we are looking into the funding side of the story as well how we could bring more funding, 833 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:56,200 federal funding and state funding as well to city, DCTA coordination. Road safety is 834 01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,720 one of the items that is very close to my heart as well and I want to look into this 835 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:09,920 very closely and ADA, both of these are main items that we are main tasks that we are taking 836 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,160 charge of and hopefully we will be able to put a big dent into these two items and resolve 837 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:24,240 many of the issues, ongoing issues. This represents the, this slide shows different focus areas 838 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:30,940 that we are working on. Road safety as I mentioned is one of the top program. When I say signature 839 01:12:30,940 --> 01:12:37,000 program that means that we will be giving reports, progress reports on these programs 840 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:42,600 and we will be giving quarterly and annual report. ADA transition plan as you can see 841 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:48,080 is in there and the list goes on and I will go in each slide, next slide, next section, 842 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,800 I will go through each of these programs in details as fast as possible. So when it comes 843 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:59,680 to road safety and human factors linkages, we are going to look at vision zero implementation 844 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:06,120 and as phase two and we are already in the process of evaluation proposals, evaluating 845 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:11,960 proposals and going to the next phase of starting, launching the project sometime I think in 846 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:17,640 April or May, hopefully if the process goes smooth. Crash data collection and analytics, 847 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:23,360 we are looking into this, we are getting advanced applications so that we could get hold of 848 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,440 crash data not only through CRISS database which is Texas, which is organized by Texas 849 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:36,540 State but we are going to have localized data and we will channel it into an information 850 01:13:36,540 --> 01:13:44,320 portal where we could not only analyze but could display how things would work. And then 851 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:50,800 we have hotspots analysis as well where we have, we are going to look at based on the 852 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:55,520 crash data analytics that we are getting, we are going to look at hotspots and would 853 01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,440 conduct road safety audits, some of that is already going on. On pretty much weekly basis 854 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:06,680 we have some requests, we go to those spots and try to conduct the audit and then come 855 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,280 back with some recommendations short term and long term. 856 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:16,080 A real quick question, so whenever we have citizens, I will use Dallas Drive as an example, 857 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:25,200 that's a very busy road going out to 35, I believe Councilmember McGee had made reference 858 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:35,000 to it very recently. How are those, what we bring in, is that part of the data for the 859 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,520 near miss detection and hotspots, you know, whatever the council members may have something 860 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:45,640 or are you all doing that for data in some other kind of way? 861 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:51,840 It's both, so we will be looking into the councilmember request coming to us as well 862 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,320 as we will have our own data analytics going on based on this core database that we are 863 01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:01,560 assembling right now and based on that we will do our own prioritization system on hotspot 864 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:10,080 locations but some of these requests that come to us via public or CMO or council members, 865 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:16,480 we give them top priority and they are prioritized and if some urgent action is needed, we just 866 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:22,960 do that, list them on short term recommendations and implement them as well. 867 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:28,880 So we are also planning to conduct innovative studies, assessing the impacts of traffic 868 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,440 conditions on emergency response time, that's one example, and complete streets and comprehensive 869 01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:41,120 road safety progress report would be provided to the committee on quarterly and annual basis. 870 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:48,160 ADA transition plan is also a signature program where we are looking at it from the holistic 871 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,880 point of view, we're trying to understand where the problem was, where we dropped the 872 01:15:52,880 --> 01:16:00,040 ball and we are just, in the last two months we have arranged in person meetings with tier 873 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,800 one departments, where tier one departments are those departments which are directly linked 874 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,720 to ADA construction or implementation of projects. 875 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:13,040 So we have met with them in person, we have talked to them about their accomplishments 876 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:19,280 and challenges and those challenges we are now narrowing down to project level, five 877 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:25,400 year plus five year program plus maybe annual work program and then we will take it from 878 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,520 to the next step of how to fund them and so all of these questions we are looking into 879 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,400 and we are trying to address those in a very collaborative manner. 880 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,580 In this process all of these departments, tier one departments are engaged and we are 881 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:43,080 getting feedback and then we are taking it to CMO and then this back and forth would 882 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:48,200 give us a very good place to make good improvements to the process. 883 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,200 Okay. 884 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,200 Yes, please. 885 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:57,280 Is this process focused strictly on just legal ADA requirements or is it perhaps have a little 886 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,440 bit broader focus on general mobility for people with disabilities? 887 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:02,920 So there are two parts to that. 888 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:09,560 One is legal would come as basically we have risk based approach. 889 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:15,400 So where we will have risk matrix where we will score the projects based on risk as well 890 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:21,960 as fiscal allocation as well and then so risk gets the priority, if the score is highest 891 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:29,040 on risk it goes through legal as well as we make sure that we are covering all aspects 892 01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:36,100 of it from not only from PRO Act requirements or US Access Board requirements but also any 893 01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:42,040 legal framework that needs to be addressed in city of Denton and then we move on to the 894 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,300 implementation stage. 895 01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:45,860 The second is generalized project list. 896 01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:51,640 For example, four tier one departments we are assembling the project list from each 897 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,360 of these departments for five year plus five year program. 898 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,440 Then out of these five year we will prioritize the projects for each department on a yearly 899 01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:01,720 work plan. 900 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:06,480 And that yearly work plan will be allocated funding and based on whatever the funding 901 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,720 is available we will implement those projects. 902 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,920 And that's why I say that it is a collaborative process where all of these departments are 903 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:14,920 engaged. 904 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,720 Did I answer your question? 905 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:23,720 >> I was mostly thinking for my friends with disabilities, especially mobility, impairing 906 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:30,760 disabilities such as vision or they use a wheelchair or a walker or similar, I know 907 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:36,560 that a lot of them have a very, very hard time just getting around town due to the lack 908 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,080 of accessible go zones and the lack of a comprehensive bus system. 909 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,160 So I was just curious if that was factoring in. 910 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,480 >> Yes, it is, and it is on priority. 911 01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:57,960 Because when we go through this prioritization process, risk plus external conditions, local 912 01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,640 conditions, all of those factors will come in. 913 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:06,200 And we'll make sure that we are abiding by the U.S. access board guidelines and provide 914 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,120 guidelines and local conditions. 915 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,680 So that's part of it. 916 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,680 >> Okay. 917 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:12,680 Thank you. 918 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:13,680 Thanks. 919 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:18,480 Then we have development review processes. 920 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,440 To simplify, you know, in the development review process, we are just trying to make 921 01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:29,160 sure that all the issues that are causing delays, coordination with tech start or local 922 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:37,440 developers or maybe within the city departments delays due to certain aspects, we are trying 923 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:41,520 to remove those voids and making sure that those processes are addressed. 924 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:51,400 And we have flow maps which we follow so that, you know, the processes are optimized. 925 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:52,400 This is just an example. 926 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:58,520 We will share more information in quarterly meetings and mobility meetings as well and 927 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:03,480 in our bi-monthly report, transportation services report as well on how many projects we have 928 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:06,080 been handling and how many got rejected. 929 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,640 And those which are rejected, we are looking into that if there is something that we missed 930 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:16,280 that we need to address in the development review process so that, you know, this never 931 01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:17,280 happens again. 932 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,360 So we are trying to optimize these processes. 933 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:26,840 Transportation data and application forecasting is another aspect where we are trying to automate 934 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,240 the data and this includes traffic flow characteristics data. 935 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:37,160 It includes speed profiles on -- we are also working on road classification system and 936 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:43,960 trying to bring it -- you know, trying to mesh it with the GIS portal so that, you know, 937 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:51,480 we could just not only see it on paper, but we would have online version, GIS version 938 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:58,080 of functional classification, any attributes related to those and the end goal is concurrency 939 01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,040 management system where we will be able to ultimately look at the level of service for 940 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,720 each functional classification system in City of Denton. 941 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,480 And we have -- you know, these are some examples of the site that we are looking at. 942 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:18,080 You know, the idea is that we may go for some continuous stream counting stations as well 943 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,920 as we get some help from the online web applications just like urban SDK or street lights. 944 01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:30,400 We are reviewing that right now, but soon we will be able to make a decision on that. 945 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,200 And then we have traffic operations side of things as well. 946 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,040 We are coordinating with the traffic operations. 947 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:43,240 We are helping in signal optimization, controls on queries, all queries related to traffic 948 01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,400 flow characteristic data. 949 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:52,800 And as part of this process, we are also looking into interactive Denton demographics because 950 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,440 that goes hand in hand with the development review process. 951 01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:00,640 So what we found is that this is a void that needs to be filled because -- so that our 952 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:08,200 reviewers have information on what demographic data is available and how they can make informed 953 01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,120 decisions on these review applications. 954 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:16,640 Smart mobility integration long term, no promises for short term, but long term, yes, we are 955 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,760 looking into this. 956 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,680 It is not an aspect which is ignored. 957 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,640 We are there, but we are trying to be cautious of these new technologies because sometimes 958 01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,760 they outpace themselves. 959 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,400 So cautiously we are looking into that, and this is part of our plan. 960 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:39,960 We are also looking into mobility plan amendments, and we are going to make active transportation 961 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,480 plan as part of our effort. 962 01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:48,200 And active transportation plan is important because we would like to look into the bike 963 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,640 bed and micro mobility aspects of things. 964 01:22:51,640 --> 01:23:01,200 Micro mobility is emerging use, which is on the multi-use paths, and sometimes in some 965 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,440 cases streets as well. 966 01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:05,000 So we would like to address that as part of that. 967 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,440 And then any other amendments that are needed based on our review. 968 01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:13,880 I have a question for -- just interject here. 969 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:19,280 And this is for the bike pit people, which I'm so glad that they're here and sitting 970 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,160 in the room with us. 971 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:33,920 Is there any level of grace that is given to a city in regards to the time factor? 972 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:42,480 Have you heard from the mobility folks in the bike pit community that's allowing a bit 973 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,240 of grace for us to get caught up with what their needs are? 974 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,920 Are you hearing a lot of conversation in that regard? 975 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:55,200 We have downtown parking study going on through a couple of other studies where there was 976 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,000 a public engagement process. 977 01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,400 We had a lot of comments, you know, on this issue. 978 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:10,600 And look, we have prioritized bike or sidewalk program and bike lane issues that we are looking 979 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:11,600 into right now. 980 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,520 It will not be overnight, but we are fully focused on that. 981 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:25,200 We are prioritizing our bike lane projects and even to extend sidewalk projects as well. 982 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:31,120 And we are hoping that the implementation process starts ASAP. 983 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,400 And this is how we are going to tackle. 984 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:38,560 But yes, there is an issue that we have identified, this void we are trying to fill. 985 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,560 And this will be a multimodal approach. 986 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:48,000 We are not just going to look at sidewalk, look at them as sidewalk or bike pit, but 987 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,960 we will look at the holistic view that where people are trying to go and where they are 988 01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,720 coming from and how we can facilitate if they are going to a go zone or a bus stop or a 989 01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:01,240 transit stop, light rail station, all of those considerations will be made. 990 01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:02,240 Thank you. 991 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,240 Yes. 992 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,000 This is just a clarification question. 993 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,880 So on the second bullet, it says we're developing the first active transportation plan and strategy. 994 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,840 Is that separate from the bike and pedestrian plans we've made, or is that just another 995 01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:15,840 word for the same thing? 996 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,860 It will be separate, but the idea is that we will merge them in the end. 997 01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:24,920 Because imagine there are new users coming, even in the active transportation arena. 998 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:31,320 So there is micromobility aspect, which is a missing piece, and a lot of cities are actively 999 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,520 working on that, and our plan is that we look into that. 1000 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:43,320 And then we would like to look at it from use perspective as a mode, and not as a recreational 1001 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:50,440 aspect, assuming that, as John mentioned, that population growth and all those factors 1002 01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:51,440 are coming. 1003 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:59,560 So we need to be ready for bike lanes to be used as a mode for commute to work, maybe, 1004 01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,560 and more. 1005 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,760 Thank you. 1006 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:13,440 This is the last slide, and also we are helping CIP for project prioritization process. 1007 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:20,160 We understand that the project prioritization process would be linked to many aspects, including 1008 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:26,120 fiscal allocation, and then also what needs to be built, what is a priority. 1009 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:33,720 So we are in the process of developing a prioritization criteria in collaboration with CIP, and once 1010 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:39,960 the criteria is developed, it will be vetted to make sure that we have addressed all the 1011 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:40,960 prioritization issue. 1012 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:45,880 We will look into the best use cases as well, best practices, and then once the criteria 1013 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:50,880 is developed, we will run the projects through those, and that is not only to capital projects 1014 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:56,280 related to streets, but also to bike path as well. 1015 01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:02,960 So we are creating a bike path criteria that hinges on fatalities, serious incapacitating 1016 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:08,860 injuries, use cases where people are going, the attraction centers, and all those factors 1017 01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:10,740 are coming in. 1018 01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:17,720 That criteria is almost 70 percent complete, but we are still in the process. 1019 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:24,400 And we will provide for any of these programs, we will provide summary report to the Mobility 1020 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,840 Committee quarterly, and there will be annual report as well. 1021 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:35,280 On the division level, we are -- we develop a bimonthly report that is sent to CMO and 1022 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,280 the leadership. 1023 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,280 Thank you. 1024 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,280 That's all. 1025 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:39,280 If you have any questions, I'll be happy to. 1026 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:40,280 Any questions? 1027 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:41,280 Yes. 1028 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,280 It looks like you have a question. 1029 01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:43,280 I have. 1030 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,280 I took notes, and I have a bunch of questions. 1031 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,640 I was just going to throw them all out at once. 1032 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,700 The first one is, I love the reorganization. 1033 01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:55,880 This isn't really a question for you, this is going to be me looking side-eye at Cassie, 1034 01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:01,840 and I noticed that there is three to four times the strategic goals in this transportation 1035 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,160 section compared to every other topic area. 1036 01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:16,440 And so I'm just hopeful that upper management applies a similar ratio of resources to these 1037 01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:17,440 endeavors. 1038 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:22,200 That's more of a snarky comment than anything else. 1039 01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:27,360 And then a real question is, on the slide where you were talking about the forecasting 1040 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:35,260 of our major arterial corridors, it jumps out immediately our continuous and ongoing 1041 01:28:35,260 --> 01:28:39,960 problem that our arterials are composed of 50% text dot roads. 1042 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:40,960 That's correct. 1043 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:47,960 So if we're forecasting, can we really forecast if we're not forecasting Carroll-Bonnie-Bray 1044 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:57,560 University, 288 Mayhill, I understand we only control the roads you listed, but to an earlier 1045 01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:02,520 point that was brought up about crossing those roads, I mean, it's gray. 1046 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:09,080 So if we're going to forecast, should we not be forecasting at least our major east-west 1047 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:13,440 and north-south corridors? 1048 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:17,920 So pick one, like University, and then pick a north-south one. 1049 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:24,040 I mean, probably University is the clearest contender, particularly for the accident deaths 1050 01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,040 and everything. 1051 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,760 So I guess the short version of my question is, how are we incorporating the roads we 1052 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,060 don't know? 1053 01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:35,640 So that's a very good catch, and yes, we are addressing that issue. 1054 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:42,040 So what happens is that on one level, we are going for some permanent counting stations, 1055 01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,200 which will be providing stream data, continuous stream data. 1056 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:51,840 But those will not be majority of the cases, those will be selected few cases. 1057 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,000 So that's streets owned by us. 1058 01:29:54,000 --> 01:30:00,600 For the overall picture where the streets are not owned by us, we are relying on two 1059 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:01,600 options. 1060 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,280 One is urban SDK or maybe street lights data. 1061 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:09,380 So urban SDK, and then, of course, text or data is available as well on selected roads. 1062 01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:10,960 So these are three sources. 1063 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:19,680 So on these, we will get average annual daily traffic, AADT, on every single facility in 1064 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,480 our region, including the residential ones as well. 1065 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:23,680 So that's the resolution. 1066 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:29,640 But with the caution that usually these data sets are interpreted on arterial or collector 1067 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:36,320 level, and the lower the classification, the more noisy the data becomes. 1068 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:41,280 So we will have this data through satellite source or GPS, whatever their source is. 1069 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,000 But we are planning to have this data. 1070 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:47,160 And on the side, on certain city streets, we are planning to have permanent counting 1071 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:53,520 stations, text or data set, we'll merge the three, we'll have concurrency with level of 1072 01:30:53,520 --> 01:31:00,320 service, but this is not going to happen overnight, we are developing the system. 1073 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:07,280 Because it was not there, so right now we are trying to automate GIS data sets. 1074 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,840 We are linking these, we are creating unique IDs, and it will take some time. 1075 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,600 But we will get there. 1076 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:20,480 I think the idea is that we are trying to converge to this capacity or capability as 1077 01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:21,480 soon as possible. 1078 01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:25,840 I appreciate that, and I can't tell you, and again this will be a side comment to Cassie, 1079 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:30,000 how excited I am that someone who does data analytics is going to be looking at this sort 1080 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,000 of thing. 1081 01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,640 So it's all nice comments for him, Cassie. 1082 01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:41,720 I will say, I will remind you just anecdotally that there are a ridiculous number of universities 1083 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:47,640 across the state that do traffic data analytics, and there's like including our homegrown university, 1084 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:55,800 but more specifically UTD and UT Austin Tech that literally look at these exact problems 1085 01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:00,760 and there's no reason you can't piggyback on their design safe database platforms and 1086 01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,480 other things like that. 1087 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:08,000 So that's just sort of as an aside that there's low hanging fruit you could grab to help you 1088 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,000 with the analytics. 1089 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,960 Sure, and we are relying on those avenues. 1090 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:19,240 The next question I had is on the question of, I forget where it was, but traffic operation 1091 01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:20,240 coordination. 1092 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:21,240 Yes. 1093 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:29,920 So, one of the challenges and barriers that we've had in the past in the 70s and 80s 1094 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:41,200 in particular was an overemphasis on flow versus safety, or at least by modern standards, 1095 01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:46,360 and I think that's why you saw, you know better than anyone the transition we've made to more 1096 01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,240 of a Vision Zero approach. 1097 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:55,160 So I guess my question is on that central bullet item, and I guess it goes to the analytics 1098 01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,800 we just discussed a second ago. 1099 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:07,680 Do we have a policy feel for how we're incorporating flow versus Vision Zero in our prioritization? 1100 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:13,480 Because I think something maybe both from an engineering standpoint and then as necessary 1101 01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:20,640 for the policy makers, when do we need to tell you that, and have we already told you 1102 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:25,540 that Vision Zero is a priority therefore prioritize that above flow? 1103 01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:31,200 So if we've already told you that and that's the message that you've received, then I'm 1104 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:32,200 good. 1105 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,040 I don't really have a question, but that's sort of where, is that to be resolved or it's 1106 01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,440 already been resolved? 1107 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:38,440 It's resolved. 1108 01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:42,580 I am on the same page, and actually you know even if it was not told, I think that's a 1109 01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:49,400 generalized among transportation professionals, that's a generalized agreement that we all 1110 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:57,520 have that safety first, flows are on the secondary scale, but I think safety is first because 1111 01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:03,880 especially not only because of this flow or safety integration, but it is first because 1112 01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,220 of the look at the number of crashes, look at the number of fatalities. 1113 01:34:07,220 --> 01:34:08,520 So we have to address this issue. 1114 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,820 So yes, I am on the same page. 1115 01:34:11,820 --> 01:34:12,820 Awesome. 1116 01:34:12,820 --> 01:34:27,160 Two more I guess on the, so I guess it's really the integration of sort of the last two slides. 1117 01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:33,600 Your predecessors at the city that have come and gone over the last few years have, include 1118 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:38,200 some of the people in the room, have done a lot of this work and I know you're talking 1119 01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,640 about integrating it. 1120 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:48,800 Some of the outlines and timelines seem, and don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean 1121 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,480 this pejoratively, but it's a little bit of a reboot and reorganization to go along with 1122 01:34:53,480 --> 01:35:00,680 the general structure reorganization, and so I guess the question is more how much are 1123 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,680 we going to be able to incorporate the existing prioritization of goals and the existing data 1124 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:11,680 that we sort of already started, I don't want to reboot to make us go back to zero, just 1125 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,320 make us go back to ten, you know. 1126 01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:18,800 No, we are not going back to zero actually, we are starting from what we had, for instance 1127 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:24,040 in case of ADA, we are not going back to zero, we are starting with the ADA transition plan 1128 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:30,320 that had essentially, it has a list of projects for each department, tier one department, 1129 01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:34,560 and so we are not ignoring that, we are just taking that, and then we are collaborating 1130 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:39,240 with departments to say which of these projects we would like to build first in five plus 1131 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:45,480 five years horizon, ten years horizon, so that's our long list, then we just say okay, 1132 01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:51,080 now out of these, please help us understand which are your priorities for next one year 1133 01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:57,400 work plan, and once we have this one year work plan, starting October, we will start 1134 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,960 implementing them, then next stage is of course funding, and we will match, and whatever is 1135 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:07,120 available based on that we will just build, and the rest go to next year's bank, so that's 1136 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:12,080 how we are trying to approach, at the same time we are trying to, through cog, through 1137 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:17,640 other sources, we are trying to get funding, for example, now we are transportation services 1138 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:25,800 applying for SS4A grant, which will be safe streets for all, and through cog, and we are 1139 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,680 not going to be doing it alone, all of these departments will be collaborating with us. 1140 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:38,800 That sounds great, I appreciate the clarity on that, and then my last question, I will 1141 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:46,560 skip over the one because I can tell from the previous answers that there will be some 1142 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:52,640 integration in our development of macro mobility, transit oriented design, I love the micro 1143 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:59,800 mobility, so I appreciate that I heard that already, the last one I have is around town, 1144 01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:06,800 there are clear desire paths, some of those are really obvious, like along, and we will 1145 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:12,920 probably come up to this later in the report on the matrix, but the exit ramp from university 1146 01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:19,560 south bound on to 288, there is a clear desire path there, there is clear desire paths around 1147 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:26,640 other locations in town, and for the others, most people know that the desire path is where 1148 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,120 you see the traffic is beating something down and they want to go that way and they don't 1149 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:39,680 care what our plans are, so how are we incorporating desire plans, desire paths into our transit 1150 01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:51,640 design? So desire paths are often induced routes perceived by the users, road users, 1151 01:37:51,640 --> 01:38:00,560 for instance, there is a shortest path, traffic assignment problem where there is a game theory 1152 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:06,600 where everybody wants to go first and to their shortest path, perceived shortest path, so 1153 01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:13,400 we are going to crack at this problem using traffic controls and optimisation of controls 1154 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:21,180 versus what the choices are available to drivers, so part of this would be investigating that 1155 01:38:21,180 --> 01:38:25,840 are there other routes available, are there other options available, why people are just 1156 01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:31,480 using one route, and so kind of try to change that perception, maybe improve some of the 1157 01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:36,360 functional classification, maybe improve the visibility, attractiveness of the facilities, 1158 01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:43,680 whether it would be offering other modes and opening up to, yes, there is a possibility 1159 01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:49,240 that you could commute to your work via bike, there is a possibility you could take a bus, 1160 01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:56,960 that's long term, but that's also in the plan, so we will look at it from multimodal perspective 1161 01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:07,000 which mobility plan also talks about and also comprehensive plan also talks about, so we 1162 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,320 are looking at it from that perspective. Now short term, we could do a couple of things 1163 01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,920 where we could improve the optimisation of controls, we could look at signal controllers 1164 01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:21,660 if there are any delays, cycle failures, we could look at those corridors and try to give 1165 01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:27,300 some alternatives to that and maybe increase the throughput of these corridors through 1166 01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:33,200 capacity improvements. Excellent, I appreciate all of that and I apologise for everyone taking 1167 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,480 a whole bunch of questions, but I appreciate everyone's indulgence and Cassie, thank you 1168 01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:46,960 for hiring him. I got it all, I vomited my brain out. Yes, just a quick clarification 1169 01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:52,520 question to start, you mentioned level of service analysis for street facilities, do 1170 01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:56,840 we currently have a framework for analysing level of service for bike and pedestrian users 1171 01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:02,720 especially at a network level? No, we don't and that's part of it, so when we develop 1172 01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:09,560 this concurrency management system, part of it will be addressing level of service for 1173 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,280 streets, that's our first priority and not to say that bike pad is not a priority, but 1174 01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:19,880 it's first priority because a lot of these crashes are happening on these facilities, 1175 01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:26,120 on the roads and then also there are traffic congestion, the point you raised, that are 1176 01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:30,840 causing bottlenecks, so we would like to address wherever there is a level of service F or 1177 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:38,080 volume to capacity ratio of 1.2, we would like to go and address those issues. Then 1178 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:42,960 bike pad would come as part of it where we would like to generate multiple routes and 1179 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:49,240 multiple options of modes. The third is that we are also going to look at facilities with 1180 01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:56,480 the level of service, oh sorry, vehicle to capacity ratio of 0.2, what it tells us is 1181 01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:00,880 it is an underused facility and if we are putting dollars to that, we need to be careful 1182 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:06,960 about it, so I'm not saying that maybe there's a good use for that, but we would look into 1183 01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:13,900 those issues as well. Second question, is there any integration 1184 01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:19,280 of climate goals into our streets plan? The city of Denton has a goal to hit net zero 1185 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:26,320 by 2050 and a 46% reduction from 2018 levels by 2030 and currently vehicular emissions 1186 01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:31,820 are about two thirds of our portfolio, when we are doing streets planning are we integrating 1187 01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:37,260 those goals and those realities into our streets? First I will admit that it's a problem that 1188 01:41:37,260 --> 01:41:43,660 will not go away soon, because it's not just the city's problem, but at Cobb we are seeing 1189 01:41:43,660 --> 01:41:51,360 that it's a regional problem, but on our end we have recently applied for CMAC based congestion 1190 01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:57,800 management air quality fund based funding for three projects, they are bike, pet projects, 1191 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:05,000 all three of them, so we are going piece by piece, we may develop a larger project, it 1192 01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:10,400 will take some time, we have to look at the data and try to absorb it, understand it, 1193 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,600 and then we will be able to make a decision that which corridor we would like to address. 1194 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:19,560 The challenge is that these federal fundings are very comparative, if we just apply without 1195 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:25,320 looking at the data, we may get rejected. So we have already applied three projects, 1196 01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:31,000 bike, pet projects as part of the CMAC congestion management program. This year we applied like 1197 01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,920 two months ago. Okay. Well that sounds good, it sounds like all the, you know, all the 1198 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:41,400 brain capacity is there and we certainly thank you all for, you know, all of your work that 1199 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:48,080 you have done. I don't have any additional questions for Mr. Butts, does anybody else 1200 01:42:48,080 --> 01:43:00,240 have anything else? I'm sorry. All right. So I guess we can move on from there. I certainly 1201 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:04,480 do want to recognize, thank you. Thank you so much. I do want to recognize that our time 1202 01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:09,960 is winding up and we have had some great conversation this morning, I appreciate our two new members 1203 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:17,080 that have come on. I'm certainly going to take the pleasure of recommending that we, 1204 01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:25,320 because of the time factor here, recommending that we forego F and G in whole. I know that 1205 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:29,760 there's a lot of information out there that we want to know, but we simply don't have 1206 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:36,000 time in this meeting to do that. So I'm going to recommend that we come back next month 1207 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,440 and begin there. Also know that Mr. Polster is not going to have to give us and educate 1208 01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:46,440 us. He's just going to come right on in and just keep it moving. And he's going to say, 1209 01:43:46,440 --> 01:43:50,440 go to the back of the form and look at all the, you know, the acronyms for all of this 1210 01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:55,040 stuff like he did me and I had to go back and look. So we're just going to do it there. 1211 01:43:55,040 --> 01:44:01,320 We're going to stop here. And I would like for us now to just simply for the next five 1212 01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:08,840 minutes to throw out any, any additional things that we want to put on here. If you all have 1213 01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:15,320 any additional questions, not questions, but statements that you want us to take a look 1214 01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:21,360 at the city to take a look at some, a priority that you might see. Uh, this is a time for 1215 01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:27,960 us to go directly to a street that we may want them to take a look at, you know, if 1216 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,040 we say, Hey, we'll take a look. We've got a problem at Barney brain. Can we take a look 1217 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:35,480 at Barney Berry in this area? So this will be a chance to go ahead and give that information 1218 01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:40,840 to the city. So when they come back to us next month, we'll have a leading in on what 1219 01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,840 we'd like to, uh, for them to take a look at. Is there anybody that'd like to have the 1220 01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:50,720 city to take a look at some specific areas that we don't see on the back here? Cause 1221 01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:58,680 we have, uh, some things back here, the construction report, the lighting, the landscape to 88 1222 01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,480 bicycle signages, regulations, side path with we're going to be talking about that next 1223 01:45:03,480 --> 01:45:05,840 month. Yes, sir. 1224 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:12,760 Uh, I know that there was a response to, uh, the, the three to 88 and I don't want to belabor 1225 01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:19,400 that, um, about, but, um, it's sort of a small addendum and I don't know if it's a, if it's 1226 01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:25,120 a matrix item or not. So I'll say it and then staff can determine whether where it falls 1227 01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:33,680 as the sage oak owners believe they have given in escrow. So then maybe staff needs to communicate 1228 01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:38,840 with them, um, about the, that sidewalk escrow that was mentioned in the report. I leave 1229 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:46,400 it to next month to have a full discussion on that, but there is a, uh, if we could include 1230 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:52,520 next time when we get back to that, uh, our piece there in front of the DME pile on staging 1231 01:45:52,520 --> 01:46:00,920 area. Um, if we could include that into discussion as well, uh, I would, um, uh, appreciate that 1232 01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:10,400 and then at, um, uh, if we could put on the matrix, uh, something about, um, uh, uh, bike 1233 01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:17,120 racks and the rules and, and, and policy decisions that might need to be made. The reason I've 1234 01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:22,800 made this is, is, and, and one of our new members has been among me for years to do 1235 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:29,360 this and I finally am doing it and my eyes are open. Uh, I have come to bike Jesus on 1236 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:37,920 this one. Um, but the, there is no, I shouldn't, I shouldn't joke like that, but the, the, 1237 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:43,880 uh, the, the point being that, uh, in biking around town, there's no place to park your 1238 01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:50,360 bikes unless it's city hall or other city facilities. So, uh, I would like some, some 1239 01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:56,280 update on our guidance for what our bike rack rules are, uh, to put, be put on the 1240 01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:03,600 matrix. Oh, and those other items that I mentioned, John, uh, talked about the, that, that I said 1241 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,860 that we put on the matrix. Okay. Can I tack on to what he just said? Can I tack on to 1242 01:47:09,860 --> 01:47:14,840 what he just said about the bike racks? Can we also see, um, how we enforce our regulations 1243 01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,240 that we have on bike racks? Cause I'm fairly familiar with what we have, but I'm curious 1244 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,600 how we enforce them to make sure that they're happening. 1245 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:30,480 Okay. Uh, cost member, Maggie, you're good. Yes. Um, one area that I have concern for 1246 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:34,880 is I work as a school bus driver, uh, out of Ryan high. That's where the bus base is. 1247 01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:39,960 Um, and there's a dollar general across the street and kids will be crossing back and 1248 01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:45,080 forth constantly, I think between classes or before classes started or after classes 1249 01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:50,760 or during a lunch break. Um, and so that's a very high volume of pedestrian crossing 1250 01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:56,840 area as well as being 45 miles an hour, five lanes of traffic, uh, with a shared left turn 1251 01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:02,040 lane. Um, so it's quite a dangerous crossing to me, it would seem. And I was wondering 1252 01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:08,600 if we could look into even just putting up like some barrel cones in the middle of that 1253 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:12,360 intersection where people are crossing so that there's some, some level of visibility 1254 01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:17,960 and some something indicating, you know, please, please watch out for the kids who are going 1255 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:23,560 to be crossing here because there's probably hundreds of crossings there a day. Thank you. 1256 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:30,760 And mine, uh, is Woodrow and more street. Uh, we're seeing a higher traffic pattern 1257 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:38,160 going on there. Um, I travel that street literally every day. So, um, please add that on. I like 1258 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:44,080 for us to get an update on what we're thinking about doing with that. We know that the new 1259 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:48,560 apartment complex is coming up. Uh, and so there's going to be dumping a little bit, 1260 01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:53,440 a few more cars onto the roadway. And so I think that we need to have that in a pipeline 1261 01:48:53,440 --> 01:49:00,480 as well. All right. Anything else? Well, if there's not anything else, um, yes. Are you 1262 01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:06,160 saying something? Do I need to address something? Yeah, I bought it up for the past two years 1263 01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:12,560 now. I understand it's coming to the next bond, but we really need some cheap temporary lighting 1264 01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:17,200 on the street. It's darker street in town and people rolling down McKinney street at 1265 01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:23,040 night on wheelchairs and parents pushing strollers and it's dangerous. I just want to go out there 1266 01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,280 on the record and say, we really need to have that discussion at some point. 1267 01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:32,320 Yes. Yeah. I just want to piggyback real quickly. The, the, the same thing on the, 1268 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:38,320 the three 82 88 bike, if we could, uh, include lighting, what our lighting requirements are 1269 01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:43,360 again, that's a textile thing. I realize, but, but it's, it's an identical problem to the one 1270 01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:49,600 that the counselor McGee, we have weird pedestrian access because we have, we're in a transitional 1271 01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:55,600 state and the, the pedestrian bikes, also the lighting, which goes to the point of the safety 1272 01:49:55,600 --> 01:50:00,320 and visibility. So I mean, these are all integrated questions. Okay. Going from the shelter to the 1273 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,360 seven 11, particularly in quick trip. Okay. And then, um, of course we have, we're going to have 1274 01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:10,640 a bit more conversation on that, on, on section F when they bring that back, uh, it's the report 1275 01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:15,760 that's discussing bike lanes and practical perspectives. So we'll get to hear about that, 1276 01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:22,320 um, next month. Maybe they'll have more information for us tack your, your, your questions and 1277 01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:29,360 concerns onto that section. Okay. Well, if there's not anything else that, um, can be discussed here, 1278 01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:37,280 we, I am recommending, um, you have to do a motion to close, but we're recommending, uh, that we're 1279 01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:44,560 going to close this session at 1153. Thank you all very much for your service. Thank you all for 1280 01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:50,720 getting and making the, uh, transition onto this committee. And I also want to tell the public out 1281 01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:56,720 there, if you're still listening, please know that there is some significant coordination. 1282 01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:03,200 We know about the streets. Our biggest complaints is about our streets. We said we, all the people 1283 01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:09,600 that are coming in, we put it on our platforms as you know, um, public service people that are 1284 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:14,160 coming in to sit in these seats and we're going to work on these streets. We really literally are 1285 01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:18,160 working on the streets. So give us a little bit of grace. And I say us, I mean, all of us, 1286 01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:23,440 this entire city, you, me, everybody, we need to give ourselves some grace on, on getting these 1287 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:29,280 streets together. We're just a growing city and this comes with the, um, as you can see, 1288 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:35,360 there's a lot to speak on, but this goes with just growing up. So thank you all and you all 1289 01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:39,600 have a great rest of the day. Appreciate it. We'll close it out at 1154.