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 Good afternoon. Welcome to the Special Citizens Bond Advisory Committee meeting

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 on Thursday June 27th. It's 6 o' 2 p.m. First item on the agenda is consideration

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 of approval of the meeting minutes from June 13th.

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 Has anyone had a chance to look at those? Okay, thank you.

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 Do you get that Ms. Teresa? Okay, great. Any other comments? I'll entertain a

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 motion for approval as minutes as amended. I'll move to approve the minutes as amended.

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 Second. Thank you, Susie. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed, same sign. All right.

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 Motion carries. We'll move on to street lights. Mr. Estes. Good evening. Todd Estes,

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 City Engineer. We're continuing the conversation we had on the 13th where we

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 talked about roadways and Proposition 2 and now we're also talking about the

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 item that was left over which was sidewalks and then street lights as an

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 potential add-on to that Proposition 2 commitment. So sidewalks and street lights,

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 just to give you a brief overview where we're talking about in that priority

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 scale what we had looked at earlier summarizing the actual funds funding

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 amounts where staff is put together and prioritized. Sidewalks was right square

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 in the middle is about number four in line with the other items and then

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 street lighting down here. As with the other items we are always looking for

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 ways to take taxpayer dollars that would come into this program, both of these

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 programs, and try to stretch them through other grant funding sources or some

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 other resources that might be available to us through other entities and we'll

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 talk about that a little bit tonight as we get into those. So just to give you a

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 quick overview what you see in green this is a map of the city of Denton. The

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 green lines are where we have sidewalks today. Now this is not an evaluation of

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 their current status if they're in need of repair or if they need a leveling

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 this is just where we have sidewalks today. So one of the things that we had

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 left over from the 2012 and 2014 especially the 2014 bond was a segment

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 in that bond for sidewalks. That two million dollars has been pretty well

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 spent. We have two projects left over that have lumped several areas such as

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 what you see here where we took missing sidewalk segments then identified years

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 ago and part of the plan. We've designed those elements. We have a 2018 we call

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 it the 2018 sidewalk we designed the elements that needed to go into

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 construction. We have about what was it a half a million pre-tax that we could

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 put towards this construction effort but still needed a half man left for the 2018

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 sidewalk. You got to pay attention tonight.

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 So we have 300,000 that are in the construction on that 2018 sidewalk

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 segment but it's still about 700,000 on that that is left to be made up and then

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 another two million that's already been designed or nearing completion design

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 for 2019 sidewalks. We would have wanted to have gone construction this year and

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 that's still needing funding. So we've already exhausted the two million

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 dollars in funding plus some grant funds that were already put into the program

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 as well and now we're looking to go further. So what we are proposing with

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 the 2019 bond program is about 12 million dollars in sidewalk funding. Now

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 we anticipate being able to stretch that to 18 or 19 million on the safe side

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 through safe routes to school funding, through grant funding and alternative

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 was not alternative I would say that's wrong active transportation funds and

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 those are several grant funding sources that the state provides on an annual

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 basis. Now the trouble with those funding sources is that we are in the mix with a

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 variety of other cities. Every other city in the state of Texas can also apply and

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 there is a limited amount of funding every year. Now we do submit projects into

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 that on an annual basis to try to stretch those dollars as far as we can. So

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 one of the avenues that we're focused on are those safe routes to school programs.

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 That's a set of funding that we can also go after. You can see we've

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 broken the city into several areas and it's kind of a heat map that you look at

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 here. The black being the actual grounds of a school mostly you see these

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 centered around the elementary schools and the middle schools. We don't have

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 them around the high schools primarily because they're very hard to get safe

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 routes to school funding for the high schools as they tend to have a lot more

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 students that already drive to the school. But one of the other reasons that

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 we also look at this from a heat map scenario where we're looking more

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 radius and you'll see over on the side where we're talking about the radius

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 within a quarter mile of a school, half mile of school. One of the reasons we look at

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 it this way is as we work with the school district the school district also

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 defines a route to school and their transportation program by a two mile

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 radius. So if you live within a two mile radius you're not eligible to be bused

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 to school. Outside that two mile radius you can take a bus they do have those

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 routes set aside for you. So as we start looking at our sidewalk

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 infrastructure and what potential funding sources are out there beyond what

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 the city would put into a bond program or an annual program we would be looking

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 to stretch these dollars into those programs sponsored by the state. They

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 fund a safe routes to school funding source where we would identify those

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 school pro those schools within an area that have missing components. So our

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 first target would be that quarter mile area and the reason we look at the

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 quarter mile area first so it's a radius around the school it really doesn't tie

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 into the cost because there's an actual distance of sidewalk within each of

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 those areas that has to be filled and some of those areas have more sidewalks

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 need to be filled than others but within that quarter mile of each school we're

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 looking at how do you really bring that the kids that are closest to the schools

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 themselves are the ones who are most likely to walk the further you get

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 they're less likely the further you get away from even that they're less likely

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 they're most likely being dropped off by parents in a car or they're some other

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 mode of transportation may be bringing them their carpooling maybe another way

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 they're getting there so that quarter mile becomes our first target it's also

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 a way that we start looking at how do we break this into more or less bite-size

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 chunks instead of you see down at the bottom if we were to go to the one mile

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 radius right from the get-go which is this very light yellow around the

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 outside of these rings we went to the one one mile radius we'd be looking at

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 almost 280 million dollars in funds to fill in those gaps so that's larger than

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 the bond we're actually asking for at this moment to give you an idea of where

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 the state tends to go on the Safe Routes to School program I think this year they

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 had eight million set aside for Safe Routes to School I think that's right so

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 they had about eight million dollars available across the state to go into

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 Safe Routes to School program some years it's higher some years it's lower it

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 depends on where their revenues land on an annual basis so when you start

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 competing against other cities for the same funding source it's a limit to

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 what you're actually going to get what you could get you know these all will go

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 down the pathway of the city or whatever entity actually gets these grants that

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 you put in 20% of the funding amount and they matched up to 80% beyond that so

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 it's a one to four trade-off on the cost that there's just not that much funding

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 to go around so what helps us get there is to have a plan not just a plan for

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 how we're gonna get all of our missing components in but a physical designed

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 plan to show that group of the folks that actually evaluate who gets the Safe

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 Routes to School funding that we actually are ready to go tomorrow we're

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 shovel ready we're ready to go and part of our program that we're proposing for

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 this 2019 bond would be two million dollars roughly annually a component of

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 that would go into design each year for the following year's construction that

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 way we're always ahead of the game we're ready for construction in the following

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 year and it allows us to get into that mixture on the Safe Routes to School

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 funding during the application time period they can see we're ready to go it

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 truly is shovel ready it also gets us in line with those active transportation

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 funds and some other routes that we could potentially go down such as CDBG

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 funding if we can partner and show we have that plan put together ahead of

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 time they're a lot more willing to say yes that seems like a good option let's

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 put that money there so where we're recommending right now is that we would

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 push for the quarter mile radius with this bond program and in get all those

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 infill missing sidewalks complete within that quarter mile so just to give you an

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 idea of what that might look like we've zoomed in just a little bit around

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 Evers Park Elementary and Strickland these are the areas where we have

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 missing sidewalk segments that would really get us to that Safe Routes to

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 School program that would fill in those gaps how do you get those kids to the

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 school so these red lines would be an example of where those missing gaps need

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 to be filled when it comes to just this area you see a little bit of Jennings as

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 well over on the on the east side of that drawing that's about three miles of

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 sidewalk that gets added into the program and generally runs about two

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 million dollars for that particular piece of construction including the

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 design of it all the other factors that might go into what you need for that

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 sidewalk I know there have been some questions about variability and pricing

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 why does this seem to not be as equitable as say streets you know per

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 lane mile well one of the reasons that you're going to see a high variety of

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 pricing on sidewalks is some sidewalks are not as clean cut to put in the

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 ground as others so if you look at a segment this is just an example where we

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 have put in this missing piece of sidewalk here recently it's a long loop

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 288 you've got the a train and the pedestrian crossing over loop 288 if

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 you're McAllister's fan you'll recognize McAllister's hanging out over here on

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 the corner this had no real problems for us from a construction standpoint we

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 didn't have to relocate utilities we didn't have to acquire right away there

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 was really no constriction there we just had to go put form boards down put

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 concrete in the ground quite literally and then we're done so very easy to do

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 from a standpoint of all the upfront work before you ever get to construction

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 and kept the cost down about 400 linear foot of sidewalk like it was five foot

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 sidewalk $28,000 to complete that stretch now in comparison here's where

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 this gets a little hairy on the pricing when we're talking about sidewalks so

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 the concrete elementary school you see it down here circled in yellow some of

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 the missing segments that absolutely are part of that safe for us to school

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 program is Swisher Road getting these homes and the kids that lived out in

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 these neighborhoods down to pecan Creek Elementary School there is a significant

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 challenge when we're doing this project this is a zoomed-up area of this area in

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 red see the homes are very close to the road you there's a fence right along

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 this roadway segment here there are no curb and gutter there are utilities in

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 the area and we'll flip a view and you'll see a street view here in just a

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 second but we still have to fit a five foot sidewalk in here at a minimum at

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 least on one side so the challenge is that presents to us is this is the

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 street view of that same segment of road a virtual wall of trees and overgrowth

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 the fence is immediately behind this along with power lines that would have

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 to be either moved or you potentially come over to the other side of Swisher

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 Road but now I've got to figure out how do I not let the kids cross through a

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 drainage way especially when it's wet and muddy during adverse climate times

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 of the year or do I move the whole road anyway you look at I'm probably getting

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 right away for sure getting into some easements I'm having to relocate some

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 heavy utilities maybe creating new utilities in the form of stormwater

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 infrastructure that's going to elevate the crop the cost greatly so just this

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 piece right here without doing any of the road could potentially for the same

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 400 feet run us almost four times as much so it's at least three times as

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 much if it becomes evident that we really just need to shift the whole road

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 over it gets infinitely larger and the cost so that's where the variability

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 comes in when we're talking about pricing of these sidewalk elements not

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 everything's as easy as just putting a sidewalk now so one of the ways that we

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 are really putting into our plan going forward of making sure that we get this

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 done is would in a timely manner is is spent on the 12 million dollars over six

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 years we would target those segments of sidewalk first that really don't have any

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 challenges there's not a right away issue there's not a lot of relocation so

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 that gets out of the box first and then in the meantime as we hit successive

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 years we're absolutely going to be working through those more challenging

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 segments of town to get that safe routes of school program the active

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 transportation elements in the different funding sources that we are looking to

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 bring online to stretch those dollars even further you know we're asking for

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 12 million but that quarter mile segment really is 18.7 by our budget

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 estimation at this point how do we get there well we're absolutely planning on

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 going after that active transportation money the safe routes of school money to

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 get us there now I'd love to be able to get even further like we can with the

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 roadways but again we're competing against so many other cities to get that

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 same dollar amount now active transportation it has an advantage that

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 safe routes of school does not safe routes of school is purely to get people

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 to the schools they do prioritize the elementary schools first yes ma'am yes

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 and then the active transportation grants that's where we could actually

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 get some of that money that would tie in the parks or trails networks because

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 that is a little bit more broad in what we can apply it towards and then your

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 CDBG grants can be used in more than neighborhood settings for other

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 issuances of that that sidewalk component so any questions so far on

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 sidewalks yes as we get closer to destinations like schools the closer we

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 get we would do a pedestrian survey to make sure we understand how many folks

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 are actually coming to the destination we would go to an eight foot or a ten

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 foot potentially even a 12 foot if we ascertain that there's also bicycling

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 traffic along with that pedestrian traffic so the destinations really

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 become the way we figure out how wide a sidewalk do you really need and we gauge

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 that by doing a survey count of how many people are coming and going yes yes ma'am

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 there's sidewalks with alternatives permeable sidewalks I know you're annoyed

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 all I ever do is talk about permeable lots of several of the cities have to

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 cost-wise it's it's more efficacious do we have any permeable sidewalks here I

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 know we do parking lots but have we tried that at all not currently but it's

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 an it absolutely is something that we look at it's it's definitely a little

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 it's a little bit more challenging to try to maintain over the long term is to

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 make it effective you have to make sure somebody does come and power wash it

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 periodically long stretches just mean we have more time and money annually that

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 goes into that it's something that we do look at when we start working into these

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 these types of projects that we're talking about right now where we're in

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 filling sidewalks where they don't exist a lot of them are not in existence

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 because they were probably very large trees or some other types of impediments

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 that in the way that if I had an impervious or I had a pervious type of

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 pavement there might be beneficial to what was a concern at the time when I

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 might have had to have cut through some roots to go around it or take a tree

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 down that absolutely becomes something that is a viable option and we're not

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 opposed to doing that we just want to make sure we do it in the right way at

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 the right time and we would absolutely consider where's the best place to put

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 those we're not averse to that yes ma'am I noticed you were have sidewalks on

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 Lester Davis school is that not a high school it's yep right there it's a high

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 and I think at some point someone had even brought up that Denton High School

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 will be changed at the current Denton High School will be changing facilities

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 we're working with the school district on those things we meet with them monthly

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 to understand what their growth plans are what's going to happen and right now

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 what we don't know is what they plan to do with the old Calhoun and the old

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 Newton razor when they finally start making adjustments and even those are

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 two to five years out so this really is the best alternative as we go forward

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 but it's going to change as the school district continues to evolve as well

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 isn't the new codes or this current city codes that sidewalks be built when a

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 property is developed so there should be no future situation I mean as this

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 eventually so it's taking care of over 20 30 50 years they'll be sidewalks being

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 put in by developers we have both I mean sidewalks are definitely being put in by

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 developers now there are instances where you have a whole stretch of roadway that

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 has no sidewalk maybe on the perimeter of a development so we typically take

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 an escrow account we get the money from them up front so that when we get ready

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 to go build the sidewalk we can do it all together at one time or other times

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 we go ahead and put the dollars into it to do that connection now especially if

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 it's a small segment the challenge we get into is we absolutely don't want to

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 leave someone with a visual disability or physical disability stranded so they

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 get off expecting I got somewhere to go and then they get stranded somewhere so

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 you've got that piece of sidewalk that's hanging out there and they got nowhere

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 to go so that it's a constant battle on both sides of just how do we actually do

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 this the most effective way just to make sure I understood maybe I misheard the

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 numbers you said the state currently only allocates eight million dollars per

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 year for safe depends on the year that's what they had been using this I think it

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 was this last year it was eight million and so so we're hoping to get a total of

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 about six million between that funding and the city over the life of the

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 program okay yes okay not in one year yeah yeah but over over the life of the

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 program yes okay and that value changes I mean I've seen it as high as 25 30

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 million dollars and it can come down lower than eight it just really depends

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 on what the state's available funding is okay

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 all right for again street lighting any other sidewalk questions okay yes sir

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 McKinney's a major East West thoroughfare that a lot of people yes sir

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 where where do we stand on addressing that is that outside of this scope or is

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 that being addressed by existing projects there it's being addressed in a

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 multiple fronts it's outside of what we're proposing here but what we are

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 doing is we are designing up to 30% where all those improvements along

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 McKinney from Luke 288 all the way to Carol would be you've seen some of that

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 get infilled as we have some annual dollars available through CEOs or other

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 amounts supplemental amounts in the budget process but as we go forward

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 where we're looking to go is to leverage North Central Texas Council of

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 Government dollars some of the various funding sources they have to get all of

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 McKinney done at one time so part of the issue that the Council of Governments has

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 is if you don't come to them with some kind of plan and and for them a plan is

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 no longer hey we'd really like to go do this this makes sense it really is I

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 got to have some drawings I got to have some information that says you've

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 thought through this you know what the right-of-way takes gonna be if there is

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 one you know how much material it's gonna be what is the real cost here then

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 yes they're absolutely willing to sit down and talk to us about how do we

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 partner to make that happen and that that is something we're actively engaged

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 in right now what's the rule regarding easements for sidewalks and what

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 percentage are we talking about that would require right-of-way acquisition

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 versus the easements I don't have a number for you on that one we can look

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 into that one it's not that difficult to do with our current GIS database but a

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 lot of times it just depends on how willing and how much area we really need

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 how willing a property owner is to go down the easement versus right-of-way

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 pathway or if I just need a couple of feet I might not be worth it going and

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 getting right-of-way it might be better to just grab the easement until we

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 actually know what kind of right-of-way we might need in the future for

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 transportation purposes all around if we need another 10 or 15 feet that might

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 be a time we want to get right-of-way because it's typically right up on the

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 back of the curve or the roadway in that case but it's going to be highly variable

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 depending on where we are and how much right-of-way we currently have

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 you're gonna get my favorite engineering answer it depends so there are a lot of

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 things we're trying to weigh the balance of for instance here was it late last

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 year early this year we did is it Miller and oak so at Miller and oak there is a

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 corner where the city has an obligation to maintain a handicap spot for a

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 property owner there's an actual ordinance for that yeah so when we went

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 back to reconstruct oak we didn't address that particular scenario so we

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 came back in last year and addressed a proper handicap spot with all movements

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 allowable for the person who has a disability but the thing that became

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 apparent was as soon as we started putting in handicap ramps and making it

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 fully accessible as we didn't have a sidewalk that could go anywhere so you

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 have a public accessible spot that couldn't go anywhere but to one house so

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 we then added the sidewalks along that length to tie them back in somewhere so

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 that's our prime focus is going to be can I get a person safely to where they

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 need to go especially a person with disabilities or some kind of physical

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 challenge it then the second is going to be is doesn't make sense at this point

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 to go through that pathway especially when you get in the areas of oak and

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 hickory some of the older parts of the downtown area the right away is very odd

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 because some places they've given up enough right away for us to put

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 sidewalks in immediately some places they haven't so the timing may be an

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 issue is it can take anywhere from six months to a year to acquire right away

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 depending on where we're going with the actual roadway and other needs and

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 impacts there's just a lot of elements that go into figuring that part out

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 it's absolutely it's even part of what you're looking at here so as we start

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 looking at some of the schools in the area we're already gonna start to bridge

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 that gap yes any other questions on sidewalks all right street lighting so

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 as we talk about street lights one of the things that I want to make sure you

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 all are aware of is that when we're building major roadways right now

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 whether it's in the 2019 bond or if it's a bonnie bray or a mayhill we're already

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 building street lights with those roads so that is a internal policy that when

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 we build these new roads we're putting in the street lights to go with the

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 infrastructure now that leaves us with a lot of roads that really fall into two

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 categories older roads that potentially we're not going to be touching for quite

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 a while or roads that have recently been reconstructed but didn't have

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 didn't have streetlights in them like University Drive or 2499 those roads

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 somebody's not going to touch for the next 30 to 50 years we hope hopefully

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 nobody's getting into those again so those are absolutely prime corridor

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 areas where you get near TWU or over closer to where North Texas comes up

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 along Bonnie Bray people are gonna cross you see students cross or even staff

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 members at times or just me if I don't want to wait to get over to the corner

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 cross mid-block in between a corner so they cross wherever it's convenient and

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 there are advantages to that when you're a pedestrian you got long stretches or

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 roadway between the intersections and there's a median in front of you it's

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 infinitely easier to just look at one line of cars this way get to the median

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 wait and look for the other line that's absolutely one of the things that runs

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 through their mind the other thing that makes that much more attractive is when

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 you get to an intersection is why does any of the intersections on University

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 Drive it's a very long stretch that's virtually unprotected at a signal so

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 you're hoping that the guy turning right or left at the time doesn't just miss

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 you in either a sea of cars or a sea of poles I mean there's a variety of things

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 out there so the mid-block crossing is absolutely where you see a lot of

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 pedestrians say I would rather go over there and cross where I know I've got

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 some safety and protections and I can see a lot further so that presents a

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 challenge at night especially when you drive a corridor like University Drive

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 a little bit higher speeds the roadway was definitely designed to travel for

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 more cars to travel from here to there quickly but you have pedestrians and

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 cyclists who also traverse that area as well so one of the things that's a

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 challenge for us is how do you get that that street lighting infrastructure into

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 a place that's not going to be touched again for a very long term that's what

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 we're asking for in this bond package is we go address those corridors those

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 prime corridors where we know we're gonna have similar scenarios and nothing

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 realistically is gonna happen on those roadways that will allow us to go back

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 in and put in streetlights you've got roadways where you know where we know

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 we're going to be going back and reconstructing them in the next 10 to

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 15 years they'll have streetlights flip them on those projects as they get

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 proposed you'll have other programs that we're currently developing internally

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 working either through grant fund sources or with DME to provide some sort of

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 annual budget for streetlights where we can infill on those collector roadways

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 or neighborhood streets where there is a safety concern and that becomes a

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 smaller budget item that we can handle one off each year these are clearly

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 defined projects that have constraints that we just need to go knock out at one

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 time so that's where we're looking at the University Drive project FM 24 99 FM

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 21 81 and us 377 those projects would be our prime candidates any or all of them

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 to try to get those streetlights in immediately and make sure we provide the

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 safest corridor possible just to give you a brief idea this was the one I was

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 supposed to talk about about DME another funding sorry I got out of sequence so

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 this is just an example area of some of those roadways that we would be looking

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 for alternative funding sources beyond the bond to actually fund streetlights

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 in those areas just an example not meant to be all-inclusive of any kind so one

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 of the things that we're targeting for these streetlights programs is these are

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 not Denton streets but they are very resemblance of some of Denton streets so

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 this roadway over here just to give you an idea of the difference between what's

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 currently happening today so we have a lot of sodium halide lamps we have a lot

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 of our metal halide our sodium high pressure sodium lamps that are hung up

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 on the sides of utility poles or variety of other places there that amber color

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 and part of what happens in that amber color this is a well-lit corridor under

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 that old fixture style it's very hard to see striping colors it's hard to see

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 signs you get a lot more cast-off shadows so it's just hard to see other

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 obstacles in your way whereas where this street was redone with LED lights a much

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 more white or blue light I can now see actual yellow I can see white I can see

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 signs a lot of the shadows have disappeared yes absolutely this is

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 similar to what University Drive looks like today if you're driving down the

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 stretches or don't have businesses right up next to it it's very dark it's hard

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 if you can tell there's actually a sign right there and if you'll notice there's

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 a bike lane here you would not be able to see a cyclist or pedestrian trying to

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 come across at any time in that corridor whereas what we're proposing would look

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 much more like this where we would put in all those missing street lights and

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 then convert it over to LED so you would be able to see I mean you could clearly

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 see a cyclist running along this this path over this way you could also see a

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 pedestrian that might be crossing at the mid-block so just an example of where

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 we're trying to go with this program before we get there yes yes ma'am

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 run that by me one more time I make sure I understand the biggest challenge with

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 solar right now is just one with street lights is what kind of street light are

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 we putting up because if it's a pedestrian level lighting and you have a

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 significant amount of trees within the area they're going to be a challenge for

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 collecting that energy plus it can be troublesome on the maintenance side it's

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 not as just from the same point that it one goes out I've got to replace a power

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 unit I'll give you an example we put solar powered signs out on the curve at

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 Hickory Creek where we had the accident here not too long ago those solar powered

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 signs we go out one night and found that none of them were working we come back

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 the next day we find out the reason they're not working is somebody had

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 chopped off all of these solar powered panels and taking the equipment off so

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 we've since replaced all that but depending on the height of where the

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 infrastructure sits that could be a problem I don't know for sure the cost

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 differential and I wouldn't be able to tell you the return on investment but

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 it's something that we look at consistently because as we see the

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 technologies improve much like LED when you came from metal halide or high

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 pressure sodium to LED that the cost differential is just continues to

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 decrease it might be something that in the very near future absolutely is what

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 you see on everyone. Yes ma'am. Do you think you might want to budget in for cameras now that we know

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 that people love to steal lighting? The Queen has to understand. I understand well

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 we we actually do put strip and we put cameras at each of our intersections

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 they're part of our traffic system so that we can monitor actively how much

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 traffic is stopped now we don't store that information we have talked about

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 doing that it's not that difficult to put something up but once you have a

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 system that's pretty well interconnected which is part of what DME is looking at

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 when we put these street lights up is that we have a smart system that

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 basically tells us when one goes out we know we can immediately go see what's

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 going on we also know better to then to have them seven or eight feet above the

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 ground where you can stand on the bed of a pickup and actually do whatever it is

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 they did to get it off and it's not easy to get it off for a lot of these

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 street light poles they're going to be 30 feet in the air so it's going to be

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 very difficult for folks to get to. I'm just like did you call the police like

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 oh my god that's a major

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 any other questions on street lighting?

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 are you proposing putting the street lights in the center of the median on

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 these roads like in those pictures or on the sides and then secondly are the

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 street lights going to be pretty basic or is the city of Denton interested in

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 actually incorporating a look and having a style of street lights? So let me answer

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 those two questions the first one I'll answer with my favorite engineers

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 question it depends absolutely depends on how much of a median you have it

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 depends on where we are at an intersection we're not going to put a

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 street light in the median you're gonna put it on the corners and usually be

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 tied to the traffic signal when you put it in the median it is especially an

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 intersection it becomes a target and when they end up getting knocked down

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 more often than they stay up but once you go down the pathway to go down the

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 side so I take a university drive there are segments where the median is wide

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 enough we could run a street light a string of street lights right down the

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 median and have it cover head off the middle there are other segments where

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 it's better to go down the sides because there's just not that much median the

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 other concern that we have with street lights is as you're starting to work

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 with them you when they back up to a neighborhood it's easier to direct

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 an LED light from the outside in than it is from the inside out so it tends to

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 work better when we put it on the outside because I can shield the homes

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 behind it and then guide all the light out towards the street whereas if I'm in

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 the middle of the street it's a little harder right it's just a little harder

435
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:55,680
 you can do that and we do but you just have to balance the two the other answer

436
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,200
 is DME is currently working with us and we'll be bringing to council with those

437
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,040
 pole standards look like and they have a variety they're weighing that in the

438
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,920
 balance of both cost appeal you know the aesthetics appeal what it's what's gonna

439
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,440
 look like on the outside how easy is it to maintain and that maintenance is

440
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,240
 everything from I've talked to maintenance crews where they talk about

441
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:22,160
 how the the actual street light pole itself is put together has a huge impact

442
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,360
 on how many people have to be there what they have to do to work it and it becomes

443
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,800
 a cumbersome nightmare depending on which pole you buy and you thought oh

444
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,280
 that looks great but then we have to go fix it it's like oh man that takes a lot

445
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,320
 of work and effort to get there so we're balancing that and we'll be coming to

446
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,600
 council later this year here's what we're proposing

447
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:54,600
 which which one are you referring to

448
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:09,120
 they are in priority order what's out there now versus what's gonna be under

449
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120
 construction for the next several years I mean that's really how we prioritize

450
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:19,080
 those University Drive is active and wide open we got a lot of students that

451
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:25,840
 do cross back and forth so that was number one 2499 it's open people are

452
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,000
 flying down it at all hours of the night so that was another one and you have a

453
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,040
 lot of homes in that area along with schools in that corridor and then you

454
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,480
 get in 2181 and 377 they're both active construction zones they're almost

455
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:43,720
 interchangeable either way 2181 tends to be quite a bit darker through segments

456
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,800
 just because of the way it's set up 377 tends to have a little bit more light

457
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,680
 because it is it does have a quite a few more businesses over that stretch of

458
00:37:51,680 --> 00:38:05,920
 where they put the the roadway improvements that's the active

459
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:13,480
 construction area which will bring it all the way up to the interstate the

460
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:28,480
 interstate by 35 we could it would just increase the number so it'd be a larger

461
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:36,480
 expense just going further north I mean we can absolutely incorporate that it's

462
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,920
 just a choice of how much further do you go we were already pushing the five to

463
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,040
 fifteen million dollar estimates if you want to go further we can absolutely

464
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,000
 evaluate further

465
00:38:47,000 --> 00:39:06,600
 from the bond proposed where we were looking at these roadways already built

466
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,720
 out this these are the top four they're really in our minds ranked there is

467
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:17,120
 there an overall street lighting plan yes there is but it really incorporates a

468
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,120
 lot more streets that are in the works as we go forward so future bond programs

469
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,400
 as we improve other arterial roadways and collector streets they would be

470
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,000
 incorporated into those roadways because we do know that in the next 10 to 15

471
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:44,360
 years we'll be tackling those roadways as well yes it actually goes past 35 it

472
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:52,080
 goes western western western so it was all the way to Western and then all the

473
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,880
 way over to 35 to Luke 28 on the east side of town and just a little bit past

474
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:04,160
 it I think it's the Mayhill I believe it gets right up there to Mayhill it may go

475
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:11,000
 past that a little bit yes ma'am

476
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:23,440
 not currently we will be looking into that but because these were all you'll

477
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,400
 notice they're all state-funded projects there's not typically those were things

478
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,840
 that would have been asks at the time the construction was being done

479
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,000
 sometimes I had text I will put those in as long as you're willing to maintain

480
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,000
 them other times they like especially when it's often interstate they're not

481
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,080
 as willing to fund it themselves you're like sure we'll build it if you'll put

482
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,840
 up the money for it

483
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,440
 Yes, ma'am.

484
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:02,200
 I'm sure we'll get into this later but we know the tax rate repercussions of 12.5 million.

485
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:09,400
 Do we know the tax rate repercussions of 5 million added to the bond? David?

486
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,720
 Out of the top of my head I don't I don't think it would be too much as far as

487
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:21,040
 talking a cent or laughing less than a cent obviously so I don't know the exact

488
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,080
 amount that's definitely something we can come back with and talk about

489
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,520
 increments of 5, 10, 15, 20 going up.

490
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:34,400
 All right any other questions? Street lights. Yes ma'am.

491
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:45,400
 I want to come back to the PowerPoint from our first meeting and it says staff recommended city bond funding for street lighting this evening.

492
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,400
 Which one? Well that was because we we didn't when the original

493
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,960
 recommendation to council that did not include was not included in the 210

494
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,520
 million dollars and that was something that if anybody if you all recommended

495
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,680
 in council agreed to elevate the funding beyond the 210 million dollars which we

496
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,040
 would take to get any of these street light projects off the ground then that

497
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,480
 number would go up but it was there as an optional item because it was not

498
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:21,240
 included in the 210 million dollar recommendation. Any other questions?

499
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:28,760
 I would just add to that as we go through the recommendations and we put those in front of everyone I think especially as we've gone through these

500
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,080
 meetings and we've seen everything and in future meetings as we start to go

501
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480
 through prioritization that'll be where as you all as a committee start talking

502
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,760
 through where those projects lie whether they go above that line below that line

503
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,960
 start having those conversations of is it worth going above the 210 is 210 the

504
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,840
 number so those I think all that goes together so this is not saying this is

505
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:55,520
 what it has to be I think this is just a starting point for the conversation all

506
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:17,520
 right any other questions? So moving on to public art.

507
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:25,440
 I do not have a new presentation for this for this item

508
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,200
 this was more just an opportunity to bring this item back for discussion as

509
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:35,600
 we had the discussion last last week the committee sounded like you just wanted

510
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,960
 to go back and think through your options and then have this discussion

511
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,680
 definitely can answer any additional questions or if you'd like me to go back

512
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,880
 to the presentation I can or I can just kind of skip to the options page and open

513
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,040
 it up for any discussion. We had a couple people miss that presentation do y'all

514
00:43:52,040 --> 00:44:06,960
 want to go through it again or do you feel good okay correct yes well it's

515
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,480
 just high level as far as the options that are that are that's before the

516
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,940
 committee with the charge asked the committee to consider public art

517
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:21,840
 funding at 2% or less in the current policy has those funds tied to vertical

518
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,280
 construction so that would only apply to the public safety facilities

519
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,800
 proposition and come out to about nine hundred thousand dollars the policy

520
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:36,600
 itself stipulates between two and four percent and we you can't have a

521
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,480
 standalone proposition for that nine hundred thousand dollars that would open

522
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,680
 those funds up to be used for things outside of public safety or outside of

523
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,560
 streets in that proposition but it would be voted on separately it would be a

524
00:44:49,560 --> 00:45:00,920
 public art piece to be voted on. So is there any thoughts on sticking with just

525
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,440
 option one which is the current policy?

526
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:19,520
 Well we have to choose between two and four. Right yeah I think I think coming

527
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,600
 down with the percentage that you want to move forward with the charge was to

528
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,080
 consider two percent but obviously the policy allows for that two to four. So I

529
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,880
 guess that's the first question do we want to stick with two percent? I think

530
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,080
 that's what we ought to do historically and we don't need to tack on a lot of

531
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:46,640
 additional expense to this bond. Okay so I want to make a motion to that effect.

532
00:45:49,520 --> 00:46:12,400
 Are we allowed to vote without it being on the agenda? It's really not a final action it's it is just a

533
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,920
 direction that we're moving forward until we get to where we have a final

534
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,220
 vote. It's not it could be changed at any point in time. Yeah and they correct me if

535
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:25,400
 I'm wrong but David the reason we're bringing this up now is if we're going to

536
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,160
 go to option two there has to be some lead time to prepare that. Correct so if

537
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,840
 we wanted option two and change the policy we need some lead time so if if

538
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,840
 the direction we're hearing is to include it we can just have that as a

539
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,440
 placeholder put it in in our proposals moving forward when we actually come to

540
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,160
 make the recommendation we'll have it included at that point that's when

541
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,720
 action will be taken. So it's just a consensus to go with option one and keep

542
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:56,480
 it at two percent or less. I don't think that I don't think two percent or I don't

543
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,820
 think the or less is an option because the current policy says two to four percent.

544
00:47:01,820 --> 00:47:16,640
 But the council would have to change the policy if you went less than two percent.

545
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,320
 So there there's a the policy is two to four percent the actual verbiage in the

546
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,800
 charge at two percent or less but you're right to go below two would have to

547
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,960
 change the policy so to stay within the policy we would just stick with the two

548
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:35,280
 percent and that would hit both the charge and the policy. So Tim do I

549
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,600
 understand you're making a motion? I move that we that we do the part public art

550
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:52,120
 at two percent. Do we need to stipulate that this time whether we want to

551
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,800
 include it within the public safety initiative or to consider it as a

552
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,440
 separate standalone proposition or is that something that we should tackle?

553
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:09,800
 As I read it the third bullet under option one presents two different

554
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,840
 scenarios. The current policy allows for the standalone proposition so if that's

555
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,000
 something you all would like to go forward with it'd be if you want to have

556
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,640
 that discussion now to give consensus to go forward because right now our options

557
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:30,800
 are we roll it in with the other public safety. Right. Yeah I just think that we

558
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:37,640
 have a public art committee that meets regularly I believe and allowing for

559
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:44,000
 some flexibility of those funds to be used in areas where the citizens on

560
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,320
 those committees feel it will have the greatest impact both to people's

561
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,760
 enjoyment as well as to potential economic development and that sort of

562
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,800
 thing might have some benefit and I really do trust the citizens of Denton

563
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,720
 that love art or seemingly do to be able to pass a potential alternative or

564
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:08,200
 separate state standalone bond proposition. I think you run a serious

565
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:14,440
 risk of a standalone proposition on public art failing. It's too easy to vote

566
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,920
 against. So I think that the data we had was we only had one nearby city who had

567
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:27,400
 tried that. So Allen did have set the standalone proposition public art and it

568
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,720
 passed that was we took a look that was the only one we could see that was a

569
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,080
 similar kind of standalone proposition just for that public art piece that was

570
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,240
 kind of associated with a percentage and say here's a lot of money that was the

571
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,520
 only one that we found that was like that but you know didn't find it to the

572
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,360
 contrary where they went forward with it and voted against either. And what

573
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:55,160
 it could turn into and you know it's the law of unintended consequences. It

574
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:02,080
 becomes a referendum on public art and it takes public art out of any future bond

575
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:16,600
 packages. You can put it on a standalone and it fails. So just just so I'm clear

576
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:22,440
 and I understand if it's within the public safety proposition does it have

577
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:29,080
 to be on the grounds of public safety vertical building areas? Correct it does

578
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,280
 but it doesn't have to be in necessarily what's involved in this bond package you

579
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,240
 know the stuff station the fire station aid or the police station itself but it

580
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,920
 has to be in a public safety facility. So it could be on the grounds of other fire

581
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,920
 stations for instance? Correct.

582
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,200
 Is it let me ask this is it possible that we could ask the council to amend

583
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:09,800
 the policy so that the money could be included within one of the bond

584
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:16,120
 propositions but have the flexibility to be used elsewhere? No that that's just

585
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,960
 state law with propositions it has to any money that's in that proposition has

586
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:29,040
 to be spent within the proposition. So can you go back to the option slide David?

587
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:35,160
 So I think what I was my thought was first let's ask the question or answer

588
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,080
 the question are we comfortable with just going with 2% and then the second

589
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:46,720
 question is all right assuming 2% do you want to go with option one or option two?

590
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,900
 Does that sound logical? The way I read this slide option I think I think more

591
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:57,920
 like option A or B within option one. I think you probably mean this option or

592
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:04,360
 this option right? Okay. Standalone proposition or the so what's the

593
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,840
 different to me it's standalone is the same as option two right? No the

594
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,040
 standalone is allowed in the current policy so you wouldn't have them in the

595
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:23,680
 policy. Okay my bad so the first question that is do we want to go to 2% of public

596
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,280
 safety facilities approximately nine thousand nine hundred thousand dollars?

597
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,760
 And I think that's what my motion is. And that's what Peggy seconded. So that's

598
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:43,880
 the that's the motion before us. Is there any other discussion? Okay seeing none

599
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:52,040
 all in favor of going with 2% of public safety facilities approximately nine

600
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:58,680
 hundred thousand dollars signify by raising your hand. And Theresa can you

601
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:14,800
 get us a count please. Okay and all opposed same sign right.

602
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:31,800
 So what was the vote Theresa? I thought there was four. Raise your hands again.

603
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:41,520
 They're asking for us to raise their hands again. One two three okay so the

604
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:47,040
 motion carries eleven to four to two percent of public safety facilities with

605
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:56,480
 approximately nine hundred thousand dollars for a public guard okay. We will

606
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,240
 include that in everything moving forward that you see that. Again this is

607
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:04,520
 not the final decision this is just direction for consideration in the final

608
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,960
 package of recommendations to the council.

609
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:23,720
 All right. I have a couple more. They're not long presentations but we're gonna

610
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,920
 get into calendar schedule and then we'll also just talk through kind of

611
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,920
 open it up for questions moving forward that we can respond to on anything we

612
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,600
 have we have outstanding right now. So perfect.

613
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:48,760
 Okay so moving on to questions David. Well the purpose of this item was just

614
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,480
 to touch base with the committee ask you we've tried to address questions that

615
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,680
 come up within presentations I'm sure there are additional questions that have

616
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,720
 not been addressed in the in the presentations themselves. Did it provide

617
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:06,320
 one memo here with some questions from public safety facilities involving the

618
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,280
 public safety facility some parking along with that so we can answer questions

619
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,640
 regarding that try to be thorough with it with the chiefs there but wanted to

620
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,320
 give this as an opportunity for any follow-up that you would like at the

621
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:26,520
 next meeting for us to discuss. And you can continue to email me questions along

622
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,920
 the way that we can include but wanted to touch base with everyone and ensure

623
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,200
 that we're getting your questions answered with the presentations before

624
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,880
 we head in as you'll see on the schedule before we head into start talking about

625
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,600
 prioritization and get to that point for the committee to really talk through the

626
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,760
 projects ensure that we've we've answered your questions up this far. So

627
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,000
 has everyone had an opportunity to review this memorandum? Yes. Is there any

628
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,260
 outstanding questions for what's been presented?

629
00:55:55,260 --> 00:56:05,360
 Hey asked me to ask this question while she was gone. She was concerned that when

630
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:14,520
 we build the ancillary facility and improve the current facilities will

631
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:28,160
 there be backup or redundancy in emergency services? Safe rooms in both

632
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,960
 places since we found out we don't have any.

633
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:47,240
 Safe rooms as in shelters or from the well? During an actual emergency like for a

634
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:53,960
 tornado or something like that we now know that there's not a shelter room a

635
00:56:53,960 --> 00:57:03,080
 safe room in the police department and would there be one in both places when

636
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:13,880
 we build it? Yes. And will there be backup communication? Yes, of course yes.

637
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,440
 Yes, there will be safe rooms in both and there'll be a procedure in place for

638
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:25,320
 communication. Thank you. Any other questions?

639
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,600
 I guess I don't know when to ask that question then. So let me go ahead and ask the question.

640
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:38,000
 Sure. Basically I would like to find out if staff could put together what it would

641
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,840
 cost to have East McKinney Street considered in this bond package. I know

642
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,160
 the state already had their schematic design. The state already had an amount they

643
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,360
 expected it to cost and they even had an amount allocated for it. So I'm not

644
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,200
 asking the city to go out and get a bunch of new numbers together. I'm saying

645
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,760
 you could maybe use that as a reference. But is there any way that that could be

646
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,840
 something to consider when we come back two weeks from now I guess if we're not

647
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:10,880
 going to meet next week? Yes, we can. We can we can bring back a number. And is it

648
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,800
 true that the state did allocate money and gave that to the city when the city took over a portion?

649
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:28,240
 Yes, they did provide money. That money was is currently being used to do the

650
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,040
 improvements on the west side of the loop. East side of the loop 288 going out

651
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:40,200
 towards the lake. So it's out towards Ryan High School. It mostly covers that

652
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:46,600
 distance. The 18 million that was set aside 10 plus years ago would have done

653
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,880
 the job for quite a bit more, at least over to Woodrow, if it had been acted

654
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,400
 upon in that original first year or two time frame and it wasn't. The

655
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,080
 construction inflation rate has just eroded the capability there. Plus there

656
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,600
 are significant right-of-way challenges once you get inside the loop. It's a

657
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,960
 very arduous task to go down that pathway. We can absolutely get you the

658
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,880
 price of what that would cost, our cost estimates for the entire project. That's

659
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,080
 not a difficult thing. We've already been going down the pathway of design, so we

660
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,760
 we have a ballpark where that's going to be and I just have to go get that and

661
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:27,040
 bring that back. It will not be 18 million. It would be significantly higher

662
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,000
 than that. So that's where our challenge has been, is where do we focus the

663
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,680
 dollars that we currently have? We do have to use it or lose it. The time frame

664
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,800
 was, I believe, last year, about this time of year. We did get an extension from the

665
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,520
 Council of Governments, pending their agreement that we would be allowed to

666
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,720
 retain those dollars, was that we get this project that we currently have

667
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,760
 planned under construction before the end of this calendar year. We've already

668
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,400
 started construction, so we've met that deadline. So we are absolutely trying to

669
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,040
 take that money as far as we can, but just in today's dollars, it does not go

670
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,480
 as far as it would have 10 years ago. So can you explain where it's been used again because it

671
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:15,960
 didn't sound like East McKinney? It's on McKinney, East of the Loop. From Loop 288, way past Ryan.

672
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,000
 You know, it actually goes all the way up to Grissom Road, which is very near,

673
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:30,040
 was that Lakeview? That section of East McKinney, that's still state. No, that's ours.

674
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:38,320
 We took the entire East McKinney? Yes. That was part of the agreement to use the money as we

675
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:47,120
 had to take the entire stretch of that roadway over. We can't give you a number.

676
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:57,880
 Well, I'd like to know, because it's a very busy road. And the next question is, does the committee get any access to traffic counts, to get an idea of, like, these

677
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:05,160
 projects specifically, traffic counts on what they are now? We have that information. We can provide it, yes.

678
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:13,240
 And that East McKinney in there? We have, I think we did that already with the current McKinney project.

679
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:20,160
 We had done an entire corridor analysis for the entire length of McKinney. I think, for me, that would

680
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:27,040
 help me determine and prioritize as well. Right now they're prioritized based on how much money

681
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:34,040
 we're going to get from other people. So that really needs to be the biggest reason.

682
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,960
 It's twofold. It is both of those things. One of the things that you actually see is we did the traffic studies on those corridors.

683
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:46,480
 That's part of why it becomes a regional connector and the monies are being put into the project from our partners.

684
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:53,160
 If they didn't have that volume and capacity as well as safety impacts, we wouldn't have even been considered.

685
01:01:53,160 --> 01:02:00,760
 And as far as East McKinney, do you think there's regional mobility money?

686
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,960
 That's the difficult part where we would be getting money would be through other grants.

687
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:12,960
 The connectivity that they're looking for is from a state road or a state facility to another state facility.

688
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:20,560
 If we could get McKinney all the way over to, say, 35. Right. And originally the project was to go to Woodrow, right?

689
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:27,160
 It was to stop at Woodrow. The reason COGS even going down this pathway with us at this point with McKinney

690
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:33,120
 as we develop plans is because we connected it all the way over to Elm and Locust, which is still a state facility.

691
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:42,360
 Problem is, it will not be a state facility for too much longer because when the state reconstructs Elm and Locust, they will turn that over to the city.

692
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,960
 So we're trying to make it as regional an impact as we can.

693
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,920
 The vast majority of those dollars will come from things like air quality funds, federal dollars,

694
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:57,120
 some other funding sources that are out there that most likely will not be tied to those state funds.

695
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:04,280
 That'd be a lot more federal dollars. When do they plan to do that? McKinney?

696
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,440
 Now, Locust is the default. Oh, we have to get our utilities out of the way first.

697
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,440
 So we're focusing south of the square first.

698
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:16,440
 That's the PEC4 project that they are relocating franchise utilities right now.

699
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:22,720
 We'll focus on that. Then we'll be going north on Locust and relocating utilities going all the way up University Drive.

700
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:30,120
 Soon as we've completed relocating utilities, then the state will come in and start a Locust on Eagle and go all the way north up to University Drive.

701
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:35,000
 And then by that time, we have to have all of Eagle or all of Elm Street, all of those utilities out of the way.

702
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,760
 So they can turn around and come back south the other way.

703
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:51,440
 So it's realistically there. They won't start on their construction until next summer for the roadway piece and then the following summer for Elm.

704
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:59,360
 Is the city doing the intersection of Hopson and Country Club and the Shell Station and Fort Worth Drive?

705
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,080
 That's the state. That's the state. Yes.

706
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:08,360
 And that's another piece that goes with the Hickory Creek project is the state is also interested in improving

707
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:27,840
 1830, which would go from Hickory Creek all the way up to 377 as a four lane divided facility.

708
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:33,600
 I just wanted to add a little more context. Todd is very diplomatic, but the fact of the matter is on McKinney,

709
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:40,640
 he and I went down to Cog last year, 18 months ago, and they were about ready to pull the funding on McKinney.

710
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,920
 And they basically said, we're not interested in investing in Denton anymore because you've had Mayhill,

711
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:53,280
 Kenny, you haven't spent a dime. And so we basically went there and gave them our word that if they would hold the funding forward,

712
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,800
 we would meet the deadlines on McKinney. We would get Mayhill completed.

713
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,680
 They persuaded them to kick another 14 million dollars into that project.

714
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:08,720
 The idea is we can get a design on the road for McKinney from the loop back to Woodrow.

715
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,520
 It's possible we can sew together some other funding sources.

716
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:20,560
 So it's not on this list because we feel like if we can leverage state or federal funding and lessen the impact on our taxpayers,

717
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,120
 but get the design on the street, that that's that's our preferred route.

718
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:30,160
 Any any chance we get to leverage state and federal money and take off the backs of our taxpayers, that's that's our priority.

719
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:36,200
 I get what you're saying, but we went down and ate a lot of crow and they they made us whole on Mayhill.

720
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,800
 And we've been able to pull off McKinney where we are.

721
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:49,520
 So I think by the idea is if we can meet those time frames, we should be able to get back from Luke 288 to Woodrow and see if we can't persuade them to throw some more dollars into the mix.

722
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:57,480
 But we had a group that had just basically turned their back on additional funding for us for a while because we were making all these plans and promises and not spending their money.

723
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,000
 So he's been very generous about it, but that that's really the fact why you don't see McKinney in there.

724
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,280
 We totally agree it needs sidewalks and needs to be widened.

725
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:14,320
 But it's just a recurring theme that we've tried to turn around since he's been here in terms of putting these plans in place and executing on those timelines.

726
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:24,160
 I guess Mike, I completely but if it was in there and if there was some money that you all could figure out how much needed to be allocated,

727
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,520
 then that's something you could also go to them and say, we've gotten this much free from the voters.

728
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
 If you could kick in the difference, I see you want to do the other way around.

729
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,040
 But there's two ways to go about it.

730
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,480
 I don't see why you couldn't try it.

731
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:43,840
 Well, I think I think once we have a design finished, which is still going to cost us several million dollars by the time we're done, we can use that to go out and leverage some additional dollars.

732
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,520
 We've got plans already going in the hopper now in Hickory Creek, Bonnie Bray.

733
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:54,200
 We know where our local roads are, and that's really what people care about, is they want their roads fixed locally.

734
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,320
 We can certainly move some dollars around.

735
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:06,240
 If you wanted to give us matching dollars, if we could leverage some COG funds, perhaps we'd make some other tradeoffs in the local road program.

736
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,520
 We'd reduce it from 70 to 60 or something like that and see what we could do on some of the other roads.

737
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:18,080
 But I think the big difference with this bond package is every one of those major projects up there, they're ready to go now.

738
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:24,360
 And that's totally different from every other bond package we've passed, where just give us the money and then we'll figure it out.

739
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,920
 So they're out designing a year or two ahead of time, so we're not losing that purchasing power.

740
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,720
 >> Thank you.

741
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,440
 >> Okay. >> Thank you.

742
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,760
 >> All right, last topic is schedule.

743
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:52,880
 I've got a slightly different schedule here from what is in the memo, as it's somewhat of a fluid process.

744
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,520
 The biggest change from what you see in the memo first is just, is when we're going to go to council.

745
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,720
 When we're planning on going to council with any bond recommendation from the committee,

746
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,640
 we're now planning on August 1st to be the date that we go to council.

747
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,480
 That'll also be the date that we have our budget workshop.

748
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,320
 So the entire meeting will be devoted to our budget workshop for our operating funds,

749
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,480
 and then for the bond proposition from the recommendation from the committee.

750
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:23,080
 What it, by pushing it to the first, the difference from your memo, and this kind of goes back to our original timeframe.

751
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,400
 It does open up that July 25th date as a date that the committee can meet.

752
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:33,840
 So our thoughts moving forward would be, obviously we have next week off for the fourth.

753
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:40,920
 And when we come back on the 11th, that will really be focused on trying to get some project prioritization with the group,

754
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,040
 have that discussion of where you rank the projects.

755
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:50,360
 Prior to that meeting, we're going to have another finance task team meeting where that should lead the way

756
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:56,920
 into a discussion on what targets the committee as a whole wants to shoot for, for total bond package,

757
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:03,920
 and a lot of the other variables that go along with that, which should facilitate the project prioritization discussion.

758
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:09,320
 We can obviously also, we'll have staff here, we can follow up with any questions at that meeting.

759
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:14,360
 And then I think based on how that meeting goes, we'll see how July 18th goes

760
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:21,720
 and then see what the need would be for the July 25th meeting based on how the 18th goes probably.

761
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:28,200
 And then ultimately, either the 18th or 25th is when the committee would take action on the propositions themselves.

762
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:35,640
 We will, for July 11th and 18th, we will include in the agendas an opportunity for public comment

763
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,960
 and invite that public comment, push that out so that the residents know they can come

764
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:45,360
 and have their time to make, to say anything they like regarding the program.

765
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,000
 I will say that that is just one piece of the public outreach that will happen.

766
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,480
 Obviously, as we get to these other dates down here, you know, between August 1st and August 19th,

767
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:56,760
 we could definitely have some community meetings.

768
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:02,360
 Throughout the process, throughout the fall, we'll be interacting with the public, pushing information out as much

769
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,160
 as we can and inviting the public to come give their comments on the program.

770
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,360
 But definitely want to include that in the committee process as well.

771
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,080
 So if anyone would like to come speak to the committee, they can.

772
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,800
 >> Great. Sure.

773
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:22,720
 >> Something that I don't see here that I would really like to see is the report

774
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,720
 from the Finance Committee about what this is going to do,

775
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,360
 what different possibilities would do to the tax rate.

776
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,360
 I mean, I received the presentation --

777
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:33,920
 >> Yeah.

778
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,240
 >> -- just this afternoon.

779
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:35,720
 >> Yes.

780
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:36,560
 >> I can't read it yet.

781
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,520
 >> Yes.

782
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,160
 >> But how all -- what the Finance Committee has been doing is going to factor into --

783
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,040
 >> Of course.

784
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,720
 >> -- decisions.

785
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:44,720
 When will that happen?

786
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:45,960
 >> Patty, that's what he was alluding to.

787
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,440
 We're meeting again on July 11th.

788
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:49,200
 >> Yeah.

789
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,400
 >> And we're bringing --

790
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,120
 >> Bringing that --

791
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:51,960
 >> -- recommendation --

792
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,360
 >> Right.

793
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,800
 >> -- at the July 11th meeting.

794
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,600
 >> Or 18th.

795
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,520
 >> Depends on how much progress --

796
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,440
 >> Yeah, depends on my 18th, yeah.

797
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:03,480
 >> Hopefully.

798
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:04,360
 >> Hopefully.

799
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,720
 >> Fingers crossed.

800
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,160
 Yes, well --

801
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:16,960
 >> So I just want to be clear that email that I received from you,

802
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:23,800
 you were stating that there's a finance group that's meeting early.

803
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:30,640
 So are the finance groups that's meeting early before this meeting,

804
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:39,760
 are they making decisions about what's going to happen for the meetings at 6 o'clock?

805
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:40,360
 >> No.

806
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,280
 >> What is this meeting for?

807
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:50,240
 >> So this is the meeting that we approved at the very first meeting to look at all the variables

808
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:57,560
 of assessed value versus tax rate versus how much funding we should consider.

809
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,600
 So we met a couple of times.

810
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,640
 We met this earlier today.

811
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:02,720
 That was public.

812
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,560
 Anyone could have come to that.

813
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,240
 And we're meeting again on the 11th.

814
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:14,040
 Okay, we gave the staff some direction that they're going to bring back some proposals

815
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:21,160
 for us that are further refined for us to consider and then we're going to bring a full recommendation

816
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,360
 to the entire committee for approval.

817
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:25,960
 >> This is the task force, right?

818
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:26,600
 >> Yes.

819
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,160
 >> Made up of the people sitting next to you.

820
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:36,520
 >> So Randy, Tim, Eric, Janet, Susan, John, myself.

821
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:41,840
 >> So anyone that outside of you -- I see that there's veterans here.

822
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:48,760
 I'm picking up that you all have been in previous committees such as this before.

823
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,520
 So, you know, veterans, what have you.

824
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:58,640
 But I'm trying to be -- making sure that I thought the first meeting was about all

825
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,240
 of everyone that's in the committee.

826
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:06,560
 We were trying to make decisions together and not anything outside.

827
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,760
 >> And we're not making any decisions outside.

828
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,640
 >> Okay, you sure?

829
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,920
 >> Yeah, very positive.

830
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,640
 >> The meetings are recorded so you should be able to go to the second half of the meeting today.

831
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:17,840
 >> Right.

832
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,600
 >> So they're just on the same page as --

833
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,480
 >> But that record chronicle was here earlier.

834
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:24,120
 They were here.

835
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,440
 Anyone in this room is welcome to attend that meeting.

836
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:27,800
 >> Okay.

837
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,640
 >> And I remember you saying you didn't want to be involved.

838
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:39,000
 >> No, I mean, I was saying that we voted for everyone to be voting together.

839
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:39,640
 >> Right.

840
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:40,560
 >> As a committee.

841
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,080
 >> We are.

842
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,200
 >> That's what we voted for, the first meeting.

843
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,320
 So we were all supposed to be clear on that.

844
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,200
 >> And then we voted to establish the committee.

845
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:56,920
 >> And that will come back to everyone in the room to decide based on some recommendations

846
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,920
 that will come forward, but everybody in the room could decide, no, we don't want to go

847
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,280
 with that recommendation, we want to go with this one.

848
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,320
 And so there'll be various scenarios.

849
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,800
 We're just going to bring back one that is -- well, after we've had these meetings,

850
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,600
 we think is the one we want to recommend to the committee.

851
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,960
 But the committee will ultimately decide what is going to happen.

852
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:18,640
 >> Okay.

853
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,080
 >> And the focus is on the finance part of this, not, I mean --

854
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:27,880
 >> It's on the growth rate and how the growth rate impacts what tax rate

855
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,480
 and different scenarios come to pass.

856
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,520
 >> The discussion we had about subcodes.

857
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,520
 >> Correct.

858
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,360
 >> Right, right.

859
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,680
 >> So there is actually kind of lots of subcodes.

860
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,720
 >> That's what I was saying.

861
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,880
 But the committee is not making any decisions.

862
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,960
 The committee will make recommendations to the committee as a whole.

863
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,560
 >> And we're bringing three options.

864
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,680
 We gave very specific direction to David today.

865
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,120
 He's bringing back three options for us to consider.

866
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,760
 We're going to vet those options and bring all three with a recommendation

867
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,440
 of which one we think is best.

868
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:09,720
 But that's, there's nothing, we're going to say this is it.

869
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,680
 We're not going to, you know, there's no further discussion.

870
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,240
 That's not going to happen.

871
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:14,720
 Apparently, exactly.

872
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,760
 >> Okay. Just, you know --

873
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:23,320
 >> We're taking, if you took the presentation right here,

874
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,720
 there was what, 20 different scenarios we went through today?

875
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,080
 >> It felt like that.

876
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:29,760
 >> Right?

877
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,840
 >> Yeah.

878
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,840
 >> About 20, and we narrowed it down to essentially three.

879
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,240
 >> Yeah.

880
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:42,480
 >> And again, those meetings are open.

881
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:43,920
 They're just open committee meetings

882
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,600
 so anyone can attend those meetings.

883
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,600
 >> Okay.

884
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,960
 >> Yeah, everyone's welcome to come next on July 11th at 4 p.m.

885
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:53,880
 >> Yes.

886
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,160
 >> All right.

887
01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:01,040
 Any other questions, comments, concerns?

888
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,360
 All right.

889
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,160
 Colby, can you make a motion for us to adjourn?

890
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,360
 >> Yeah, yeah, make a motion to adjourn.

891
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,800
 >> Second.

892
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,280
 >> All right.

893
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,000
 >> All right.

894
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,160
 >> 715.

895
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:13,800
 >> Thank you, everyone.