WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.000 All right we're going to go ahead and get started today. Welcome to the Sustainability 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:18.480 Framework Advisory Committee. It is Friday, February 23rd, 2024 at one o'clock. We are in the 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:26.640 City Council Work Session Room and we do have a quorum. So we will go ahead and get started with 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:33.920 our first item for individual consideration. Consider approval of the January 26, 2024 minutes. 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:41.600 Did anybody have a chance to read those? Go over. Any comments? Adam? I was just going to move to 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:50.160 approve. All right. Grant second. All in favor? Aye. All right. We'll move on to item B. Receive 00:00:50.160 --> 00:00:56.000 a report and hold a discussion about current building codes and any upcoming changes. 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:06.000 And we have Emily from Building Inspections and Permits and she's going to talk to you about the 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.800 code. I did include a presentation she had given previously just to give you some background 00:01:10.800 --> 00:01:15.920 information on it, but she can more tell you the code that we have currently and then what's on the 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:20.800 horizon. Okay and just for any questions you may have. Okay just sort of reminder we're using the 00:01:20.800 --> 00:01:34.160 mics above us. Okay so speak. Thank you. Sure. So June 2022 we adopted the 2021 International 00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:42.800 Building Codes to include the International Energy Code and the 2024 has just been published so we're 00:01:42.800 --> 00:01:48.960 taking a look at that. That's probably what we'll be doing in the next couple of months and then 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:58.320 look to adopt probably January. That's the 2024 International Energy Code along with the Building 00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:11.760 Codes including Fire Code and then also the 2023 National Electrical Code. Okay and if you had any 00:02:11.760 --> 00:02:16.800 specific slides that you had a question about in the backup we do have that we can pull up if you'd 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:27.280 like to see it. Committee would you like to have her pull up the. Yeah if you could go ahead and pull 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:33.600 that presentation up please so that if you just click on people watching then we can see what we're 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:50.160 going to have to scroll. Click the two the expander arrow in the upper right. Click that. Now you just use your arrows and go page to page. So this is our presentation from that time. It kind of shows you all the code books that we 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:57.120 adopted. We did adopt all the COG amendments for the energy code and then some minimal amendments 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:04.640 from all the other international codes. We try to you know stick with what everybody else is doing 00:03:04.640 --> 00:03:13.680 in the area so that our builders are all on board. And did the 2024 code did it get a lot stricter 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:22.960 than the 2021? I haven't looked at the energy code. I haven't looked at that one yet. The only ones I got 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:36.000 like in paper is the pool code and the fire code so far. Yeah I just wondered if there were any specific 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.600 codes in our own ordinances rather than the international 00:03:41.600 --> 00:03:50.000 energy code dealing with green construction practices. There is not right now. There's not? 00:03:51.440 --> 00:03:54.560 Okay. There's always options to do that and then there's also 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:01.120 I believe it's in the appendix of the international code and then if you wanted to 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.520 do green building you can also you know do that. That's definitely going to meet our minimum 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:16.720 building codes but it's again an option. I noticed that the 2022 criteria manuals a solid waste 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:25.840 stormwater and transportation and wastewater water and wastewater were all revised in 2022 00:04:25.840 --> 00:04:32.640 but the construction criteria manual we're still if I read it right we're still operating 00:04:32.640 --> 00:04:41.360 under a February 2002 version. Right and to kind of speak to that somebody is supposed to be working 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:48.400 on that and most that construction code is mostly geared toward public works construction and then 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:54.080 building has a little you know a little bit of some blurbs in there it's not this is really our 00:04:54.080 --> 00:05:00.720 our construction code here. So is there some reason why that hasn't been brought up to date like 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:07.360 these other criteria manuals? Not that I'm aware of. Because I could see if it's public works we 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:15.040 could actually have green codes in that as well. Possibly. I would assume like putting solar panels 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:21.200 over city facilities and that sort of thing. I'm just curious as to how deep this is going. Sure. 00:05:21.200 --> 00:05:30.960 Yeah. Good? Yeah I'm good. Adam? Good night. Thank you for coming. First of all I think I put this 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:37.280 item on our matrix but I think we're all we all recognize the importance of what you all are doing 00:05:38.320 --> 00:05:44.720 and so I want to just step back you know anywhere you turn in this town you see construction 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:51.680 building going on right and I think people are curious how the standards are set for that. What 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:56.480 are the codes? I hear you saying basically there's an international body of some sort that establishes 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:01.520 building codes and we pretty much just comply with that. That's correct. Okay now we're particularly 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:08.640 interested in sustainability. Right. And I guess you know our I guess I don't want to speak for the 00:06:08.640 --> 00:06:13.360 committee but it seems like our goal is something like green growth. Like growth is happening. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:18.880 That's going to happen at least for the foreseeable future. Our remit is try to figure out how to make 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:25.200 it as sustainable or as green as possible. Right. Okay now that's to me the big context. Okay well 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:31.760 and I can kind of speak to that. Okay. There is there are some groups in the area that are 00:06:31.760 --> 00:06:35.680 working on some sustainability practices and getting 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:45.040 information together to present to city councils around around the state so that we can you know 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:52.240 implement more sustainability measures for our city. So that is in place it's of course it's 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:56.640 federally funded so it's a little bit of a slow go but we're definitely getting closer to that. 00:06:56.640 --> 00:07:02.320 Okay and this piggybacks I think the line of questioning that Ed had opened up which is 00:07:02.320 --> 00:07:12.240 how much discretion do we have as a city to go above and beyond what are stipulated in these 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:17.280 codes because we have and I believe council has has put their seal of approval on it's a pretty 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:26.080 ambitious environmental rules. Now you mentioned trying to stay basically in line with other 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:33.200 municipalities in the area. Right there's a schedule for increasing you know the 00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:42.160 I don't exactly how to explain it but increasing the insulation and you know all the different 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:49.680 measures that make a house or buildings more sustainable or energy efficient. So every year 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:57.200 and a half or two years those numbers go down to make it closer to zero right. 00:07:57.200 --> 00:08:09.280 You know zero waste zero all those things net zero. So it's kind of a slow go in Texas. I'll 00:08:09.280 --> 00:08:15.760 just tell you that and with our you know North Texas council of governments they kind of they 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:23.440 meet with you know all the people that are really focusing on the energy code and and I'll tell you 00:08:23.440 --> 00:08:30.800 this energy code that's produced here this is for like the whole United States right. So no area is 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:36.400 going to be the same you know everybody's got a little different area. So there is a some provisions 00:08:36.400 --> 00:08:43.520 for that in the energy code but when you when you talk about bringing somebody you know they're 00:08:43.520 --> 00:08:50.080 paying you know this much money for construction costs and then jumping them up to here what Cog 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:55.680 is doing is stepping it you know so that we're getting there but it's not it's not like a 00:08:55.680 --> 00:09:01.280 scare tactic I guess you would say where people are not going to do new construction. 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:10.240 Can I follow up? I don't need to monopolize. Okay that's helpful. So I take it and I kind of just 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:18.240 like to hear your expert opinion on this. I take it that there's a trade-off here where if we it 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.880 sounds like we can increase our standards let's say on energy efficiency of homes and I would take 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:29.520 it that's in keeping I want your slide that says build it right the first way. We can do that but 00:09:29.520 --> 00:09:37.200 the risk of that is the increasing price up front of construction such that we might lose out on the 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.600 development benefits that come along with that because they could build cheaper somewhere else. 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:51.120 Is that yes that's the balance really? Yeah okay. And if you attend some of these meetings you'll 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:58.480 hear construction and developers say that specific thing like it's cost me more to build here I'm 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.920 going to go outside of Denton and build there because it's it's cheaper so that's like one of 00:10:03.920 --> 00:10:10.240 the main arguments. And we are trying to keep you know the affordability here as well. Yeah so it's 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:16.080 a right it's about to react. That's tough right because we want to have affordable places for 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:30.560 folks to live. Gotcha. Brand? Go ahead. So I remember being on the National League of Cities and they 00:10:30.560 --> 00:10:36.800 were big advocates of everyone passing the the building codes the national building codes because 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:43.760 they were they were so good and above other standards. And so you mentioned that Texas was 00:10:43.760 --> 00:10:52.800 behind what is the is there one that is most of the cities in Texas are on like is it the 2000? 00:10:52.800 --> 00:11:01.120 Um I would say most cities are probably at the 2015s. Okay. At least there's quite a few more 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:08.160 progressive cities that are out in 2018s and 2021s. Okay and are is there like a there's not a penalty 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:15.360 or anything? No the state has a minimum so even if your city doesn't adopt you know to the minimum 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:22.560 bill the state says hey you have to build to this. And I think the state's at 15 or 16 sorry. Right 00:11:22.560 --> 00:11:31.120 it's probably over 15 right now. Okay so that's many years ago. Right and with each new code cycle 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:36.880 you're getting new technologies you're getting better codes that are safer so that's why we want 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:48.160 to keep on better schedule than we have in the past. Sure. Okay. Sorry. Just as a just to throw this out 00:11:48.160 --> 00:11:58.400 perhaps in the future since this affordability keeps cropping up and is used I guess rightfully 00:11:58.400 --> 00:12:08.480 so by by builders I just wonder if it would be beneficial to actually meet with some of these 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:15.520 prominent builders and just talk about how we're all on the same page in terms of trying to be 00:12:15.520 --> 00:12:23.760 prepared for what's coming down the pike climate wise. And what's not affordable now may be very 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:31.280 affordable and necessary 20 years from now right especially with rain events extreme heat etc and 00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:37.280 all there. I know that the Home Builders Association of Dallas meets quite regularly and they do discuss 00:12:37.280 --> 00:12:42.720 a lot of these issues. Well I think the more we can connect with that sort of thing the more 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:57.200 communication we have that the more positive the output. So thank you. In our code that you're 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:02.400 talking that we're talking about here are parking minimums part of that or is this just building 00:13:02.400 --> 00:13:14.000 and construction? It's just building and construction. Okay. All right. Okay everybody good or any more questions here? 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:23.360 I'll just add before I let Emily go in. I think the first IACC came out in 2002 is that right? 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:30.480 Somewhere near 2002. 2000 will be adopted in 2000 and 2000. Okay so this is a 20 year journey that 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:36.960 we've been on both with utilities and the building inspection side trying to get those code 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:44.640 updates more frequent. That there was a time when the state was at 2006 for a while and we had already 00:13:44.640 --> 00:13:50.400 gotten two or three versions above that. So I just want to recognize that Emily's team they've been 00:13:50.400 --> 00:13:56.160 really helping get those codes adopted ahead of schedule ahead of the state adoption. I definitely 00:13:56.160 --> 00:14:03.200 want to be better. Right. So earlier you mentioned when Adam was talking that there was a group that 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:09.840 was coming to cities and advocating for a sustainable. Do you know what group that is? Yeah the Sphere group and 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:20.560 CECO. Sphere stands for South Central Partnership of Energy Efficiency Resources. I just saw it 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:28.160 and CECO is another state energy conservation office. It's perfect. Thank you very much. 00:14:28.160 --> 00:14:35.600 What is it? State energy conservation office. Oh yeah. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah sure. So yeah 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:40.880 they're doing a lot right now. They're working on getting training. They've got grants available. 00:14:40.880 --> 00:14:48.720 There's a lot in the works. So we're working pretty closely with them to work on helping us. 00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:55.360 Well if there's anything this group can do or I guess I should phrase it as a question is there 00:14:55.360 --> 00:15:04.240 anything that this group can do because having the the best energy codes is 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:12.080 part of why we're here as far as sustainability goes. So if there's anything that we can do to 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:20.480 help move this along. Yeah absolutely. We always would love input on you know the adoption of 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:28.000 the new energy code. The 2024 is available online for free so you can certainly peruse it and take 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:37.920 a look at it. It should show you some of the changes from the last code adoption from the 21s. 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:45.920 There's really it's just really great. If you go to the International Code Council website 00:15:45.920 --> 00:15:52.240 it's got all the books available. You can just do a search on your 24. And what's that website? 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.680 It's ICC safe.org. 00:15:55.680 --> 00:16:03.520 Emily do you know if the city council development 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:14.560 committee is reviewing these specific changes? Like the city council is? Well the the yeah the 00:16:14.560 --> 00:16:25.360 DCRB. We can definitely. We usually do like a preview to city council and say hey this is 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.760 what we're looking at. Reach out if you know we've got some amendments we're getting ready. 00:16:30.400 --> 00:16:36.000 You know we're happy to share that information. Okay can I ask one more? Yeah go ahead. Thanks. 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:43.520 Just can you tell me if if I have this correct that what we're talking about here today 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:52.080 are the standards codes for how buildings are going to get built. Correct. That's different 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:59.040 from but related to our zoning questions which are like what kind of building how we're going 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:04.880 to use this piece of land. Correct. Can you just say a little bit about that relationship how it 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:12.400 looks at the city? Sure so building code really it really affects the structure. So where it is on the 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:22.960 lot is not really a building code related activity. How how we get into the building is definitely 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:29.360 going to be like accessibility. We'll definitely take a look at that from public ways but 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:35.680 yeah zoning they're going to take a look at you know what it looks like from the outside. 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:42.560 Building is going to be not so much that right because we're going to say less windows more 00:17:42.560 --> 00:17:48.560 energy efficient and then the DDC is a little bit more contradictory and they're like more windows 00:17:48.560 --> 00:17:54.480 prettier right. When you say DDP you mean development code. That's correct yeah that's our zoning code. 00:17:54.480 --> 00:18:03.200 So there's a little bit of you know it's kind of tough right now right to get to get a product 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:10.160 that needs both codes. I have a question so in the code does it does it specify like the 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:16.240 the type of windows minimal that you need the type of insulation I mean does it get that specific? 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:26.400 No no no and then there's also a house built that says that you can only require what's 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:31.520 minimally required in the code. If it's in the code you can build with it so if you want to put 00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:40.320 like stucco then you can use stucco. In our DDC it's you know I think they might have amended it 00:18:40.320 --> 00:18:49.440 off by now but it did require minimum brick percentage etc so but like solar ready that 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:55.520 kind of thing is that that's in the code. There is a section on solar ready but it's not required at 00:18:55.520 --> 00:19:02.480 the moment so we are definitely looking at that. To clarify the house bill you were mentioning is that 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:08.720 the standard that the state is setting or are you saying that say the 2024 code if it's separate 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:14.160 from the state standard and you can build. Whatever is allowed in the international codes that's what 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:19.360 the state says you're allowed to that a builder is allowed to build to. Regardless of their minimum 00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:25.120 threshold. Correct and that's for residential now commercial you know a city can say hey you've got 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:33.200 to make this out of brick or whatever and there's no repercussions but for I think the the goal was 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:39.520 affordable housing so you know sometimes different facades are going to be cheaper. 00:19:39.520 --> 00:19:48.240 But as long as it's in the code if we if like even if some people say well that's too far 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:55.200 and goes beyond but if it's in the code this date isn't going to come after you for saying okay we 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:03.520 this is allowed we'd like to do this in our city. Right okay right yeah all right we just can't disallow. 00:20:03.520 --> 00:20:12.320 Got you. Got you. Okay yeah go ahead. I mean I love being on this committee because we get to 00:20:12.320 --> 00:20:17.360 listen to experts like you from all different facets of the city and just realize how complex 00:20:17.360 --> 00:20:22.560 it is there's push and pull and all that. So some of the things that have there's this dynamic that's 00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:29.200 come up in our committee that is most prominent here. I don't think it's quite what you call a 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:37.200 principal agent dilemma but what it is is here you've got a builder paying for the upfront cost of 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:42.080 their structure right. So the incentive is for them to make it as cheap as possible. 00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:50.240 Somebody else is going to live or work or pay kind of long term to reside and to be in that building. 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:57.760 So their incentive is for it to be built in a way that minimizes long-term costs right. I just want 00:20:57.760 --> 00:21:04.080 to hear do you have thoughts of your own or or are there thoughts in the industry that you work in 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:11.520 and interface with that industry about how about that tension there. Right well if you're going to 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:16.560 go house shopping right and you've got a daughter that's looking for a house so I understand the 00:21:16.560 --> 00:21:22.400 dilemma you're looking at 1950s houses, 2000s houses and new houses right and 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:30.960 to make it energy efficient how you want it's going to it's going to really balloon the cost and 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.600 for new homeowners that's that's a no-brainer you know you're going with the older house because 00:21:37.600 --> 00:21:45.520 you can't afford you know what that what that looks like. So there's and then there's other people 00:21:45.520 --> 00:21:49.760 you know that are buying a bigger house and they know that you know they know that it's going to 00:21:49.760 --> 00:22:00.160 cost more to have a more efficient home but do they want to pay it right so I think I think education 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:06.800 of the public is really important to see what I mean to see what that means right you need to 00:22:06.800 --> 00:22:12.080 get it on paper this is what it looks like up front sure but you're going to cost this much 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:19.360 on your library bills. Are there are there documents like that so like if you're going to 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:24.640 to go in and look at like purchasing one of these structures that have been built to code 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:30.000 like you know with the dishwasher it'll say over the lifetime this will cost you an x number of 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.000 dollars right is there something like that for these buildings where people can say well okay 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.760 it's more up front but it's more energy efficient now I'm going to see that payback. There's 00:22:37.760 --> 00:22:43.920 definitely a way to do it and I have seen some models it just there are a lot of factors right 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:52.560 so yeah I'd have to look to see it's not part of our practice or code to give to have something 00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:59.360 like that right right so whenever you're doing energy code review for a new building or something 00:22:59.360 --> 00:23:06.560 there is something called software for for energy code compliance some softwares will look at 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:14.240 costs you know consumption costs and you know if it meets under a certain one and you're saving 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:20.000 money then that one that you're approved and you can move forward with what you submitted. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:27.280 And do we have any green builders in the city as of now? 00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:35.760 We used to have somebody that did some green building but it's been a while since I've seen 00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:44.560 a builder that I use named Dan Fetty. That's exactly who it is that I was thinking of in this 00:23:44.560 --> 00:23:51.760 city. I've known him a long time so but I don't really know of anybody else. I do have the William 00:23:51.760 --> 00:23:58.880 Ryan Homes Development at Preserving the Concrete. They're doing a net zero writing home. That's 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:08.000 good stuff. Yeah it's just 16 watts or so. Okay that's good to know. Okay any more? Are we good? 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:14.080 Well thank you so much for coming today and again if there's anything that you know you want this 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:20.480 committee to review or yeah that would be wonderful. Have some extra eyes on it. Yeah thank you so much. 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:30.560 All right we have one more item. It's a great meeting today. We will skip down to staff reports. 00:24:30.560 --> 00:24:38.000 Catherine? And I'm just giving an update on the green sense questions from the last meeting 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.760 and the rejections. 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:48.480 It was a space you know there wasn't one overwhelming factor. It was a little bit 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.960 of everything either didn't meet the minimum requirements or was outside under 80 days. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:25:03.280 We had some duplicate submissions as well. Can somebody if they're outside if they missed the 00:25:03.280 --> 00:25:09.120 application can they reapply the next time or is there like a time where they have to? We have 00:25:09.120 --> 00:25:17.200 a 180 day window from the date of installation our purchase so it has to be within that 180 days. 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:24.080 Oh okay and so that's what that means they they applied too late. They applied too late. Okay anybody 00:25:24.080 --> 00:25:32.480 have questions on the green sense? We did have a question about the funding levels and say a 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:40.000 specific category gets maxed out for the app type that people take up that funding. Yeah thanks for 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:49.040 mentioning that. So we had already adjusted the e-bike up from 20,000 to 40,000 and we just hit 00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:54.720 over 40,000 last week whenever I was working on this I noticed that. 00:25:54.720 --> 00:26:03.760 I'm probably going to look at pausing the e-bike for a little bit. We can do it where we still 00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:08.480 accept applications and if we have savings across another category in the future we could go back 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:15.200 and process those through. There's a couple of ways we can do that look back. I hate to take away 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:21.360 from HVAC because we've I think we're already at the same level we did all of last year for HVAC. 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:29.600 And then the windows I feel like we're doing more window rebates than we did last year so 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:35.920 I think it's just awareness because the window rebate didn't go up significantly. 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:44.320 It feels like a really good problem to be in that our programs are getting maximized. I'm curious 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:49.520 and because we've not necessarily been in this situation in the past if there might be opportunities 00:26:49.520 --> 00:26:53.360 to explore additional injections of funding into our sustainability fund? 00:26:53.360 --> 00:27:04.240 Into the sustainability fund? I'm sorry. Not that I'm aware of. 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:12.160 That is something we could visit with DME about later in the year. We 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:18.720 are decreasing we think we're going to run out six months in advance or something like that. 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:25.200 I think right now we're we're kind of pacing to go through July August time frame. 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:35.840 Katherine on here can you remind me if the the rebate or the initial budget doesn't get met say 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:46.880 like HVAC 457,000 does that and only 300,000 gets used does that extra stay in and balance carry over 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:53.440 for the next budget cycle? No not the way this is set up. This is operating here. Okay so then 00:27:53.440 --> 00:28:00.160 where does that money go back to? Just the general fund or? It's DME dollars we're spending from DME 00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:07.440 accounts for this I would say with DME. I don't think we're going to have that problem. 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:14.560 Right I'm just you know curious for some of them if they don't get used. Most of them do but 00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:19.520 if they didn't I wasn't sure where the money went back to. Right and then multi-family we 00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:24.320 haven't had any multi-family large multi-family come in yet so that might be where we could pull 00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:30.880 for them for another area. I was even looking at breaking that up kind of quarterly and seeing how 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.360 we might be able to do a confusion from that. Okay so there's no dollars left over so it just 00:28:35.360 --> 00:28:42.240 kind of gets moved to the ones being used the most. Correct. Okay all right we want to spend 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:51.920 all their money. Anybody have any other questions on on this? All right we will move down to the 00:28:51.920 --> 00:29:01.120 matrix. Anything questions on the matrix? Ed? Yeah. I'm going to add to you. Just a couple of things. 00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:11.520 This you're familiar with the thing that. Can you mention that? Yeah. Read it please. 00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:16.960 This is the Dallas-Fort Worth air quality improvement plan that the North Central Texas 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:22.240 Council of Governments and we had a presentation on this at their last meeting and the reason why 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:33.040 I'm bringing this up is the reason I found this on the public meetings page on the city's website 00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:40.880 and clicked on it and got this and I wondered if this could be put set out or put on sustainability's 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:50.720 Facebook page so or whatever social media you're using like the the notices I get because there 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:57.920 is a opportunity for people to put their their opinions in about this. Yeah that's a great idea. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:04.640 And so I think the more the more eyes on this is better. Absolutely. Okay thank you. And the other 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:13.200 thing is if it's possible I'd like very much to get an update on the status of the climate 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:20.080 or the draft climate action and adaptation plan. Okay. Thank you. If we could just add that last 00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:31.200 one to the matrix as a presentation. Yeah. Brian? Good. Adam? I'm good. All right I think I think 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:36.400 we're good here. Does anyone have any other concluding items? I think this one that I'd 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:45.600 mentioned first may be a concluding item we could put that on our website. Okay. And concluding item? 00:30:45.600 --> 00:30:54.640 All right well we do have some guests here today council member Brian Bett and council member Joe 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:04.560 Holland. That's right sorry. And so welcome and we have some other students today and are 00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:09.840 wanting to welcome y'all. Thank you very much. I appreciate everyone's time today. Have a good 00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:17.520 weekend. We will conclude at 1 31. Thank you. Enjoy the weather.