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 Good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to the planning zoning special called

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 session work session for June 26 2019 I'll call the meeting to order at 5 o 3

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 seeing that we do have a quorum just as a point of order for the agenda this

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 evening we are we have items 2a through to you to hear the way it's going to

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 work in the public session is we're going to open the public hearing for

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 items to a through to you with the condition that the following items are

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 not being heard during that time so a through you will be heard minus items D

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 G N O Q and you and I'll say that again Commissioner Beck so the items that are

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 being pulled from the first presentation is items D area 27 item G area 30 item

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 in area 37 item O area 38 item Q area 40 and item you area 44 so we'll do a large

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 presentation and then after that we'll look for a vote and discussion of those

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 items and then DG NO Q you will be heard individually and we'll take separate

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 votes on each of those since we do have feedback on those items specifically

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 kiss your back thank you so we're not eliminating them from consideration I

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 just separate all items will be heard was separate them because we have some

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 feedback on those the other items that are included a through you my without

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 those we haven't had any feedback against our opposition of so we're

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 taking those as one bulk session and I assume Ron if someone here is opposing

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 one we can pull it out at that time if they show up yeah if you do suit choose

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 to pull it you can do that as well okay yeah and on the other ones that you

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 weren't identified yeah exactly so at this time I'll turn it over to Ron

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 Maguida to present all the items great thank you chair members of the

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 Commission excited here we were we're here with group two this time a little

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 bit more in the areas that we we didn't touch last time we are looking at

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 21 areas approximately 350 parcels now 350 is primarily because there are large

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 areas that have multiple parcels versus the what we had seen with group one with

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 that said we also have group three coming forward in the next month we are

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 still working on those staff has been diligently looking at areas identifying

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 areas that would qualify as city initiate zoning changes we are asking

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 that the Commission provide us with some feedback as far as dates prior to today

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 we were thinking of sometime in July but knowing that the timeline that we have

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 and the amount of work that needs to be done for notification and research we're

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 looking at an early August date for P&Z and an early September date for City

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 Council for group three I know we have a P&Z date set for August 7th in a chance

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 that that is a really high agenda would August 14th work and we don't need to

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 get an answer today but just feedback hopefully we we can schedule some time

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 soon so that we can start planning for notification and getting ready for group

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 three so again looking at an early August timeframe for the third group

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 first considerations August August 7th August 7th is a regular scheduled P&Z

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 date and Richard I mean I'm not 100% sure what we have on that agenda if we

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 can fit this in if not the August 14th can be a special called meeting and what

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 we'll do is we'll send out an invite or some an email requesting your preference

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 or your availability that is and then we'll we'll schedule it accordingly and

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 right now it looks like we might be able to to incorporate it into that first

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 meeting I think we have just a handful of not even a handful I think we have

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 three items right now that we're okay we're anticipating on that agenda we'll

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 follow up with an email with with a request for your availability okay city

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 initiated zoning changes as you all know we've started with group one or group

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 two we looked at the transition chart and the transition map looking at what's

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 existing on the ground addressing non-conforming uses as best as we can

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 protect the existing residential neighborhoods followed up with public

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 comments that we heard from the public hearings through public outreach through

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 visits phone calls and emails identifying those areas that we feel are

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 suitable for a zoning change request also the future land use map in the land

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 use element also played a role in identifying those particular areas so

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 group two is made up again of approximately 21 areas 350 parcels this

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 map hard to see basically what this illustrate is that it's all over the

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 city it's along I 35 along 380 overt on the loop and then south as well along

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 Mayhill so covers a lot more area than what we had in group one and we'll go

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 through each one of these separately so the first one is area nine and this one

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 was part of group one but we had to pull it because of notification issues this is

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 on San Jacinto Boulevard as well as I 35 e the corridor itself which have

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 properties fronting or parcels fronting I 35 the uses that you see listed here

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 make up the majority of what's existing Callaway's nursery of course been there

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 for four years the Brunswick zone zone bowling alley is on the other side of

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 this area we also have the currently being constructed the state bridge

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 suites right next to the bowling alley and a number of offices and in banks and

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 in other retail establishment what staff is proposing is to go to an SC

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 suburban quarter zoning district we feel that it is more appropriate than the MR

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 there are a lot of uses that are permitted in the MR that are also

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 permitting the SC however things that are different is relationship to the

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 height maximum height for a building in the MR is a hundred feet while in the SC

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 is 55 feet as as well as some zoning I'm sorry some uses that are less intense

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 that are allowed in the SC than the MR we feel that it serves as a transition

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 from the MR which is the mall to the south and then the residential zoning

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 districts or zoning classifications to the north that you see here so again

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 providing that transition zoning there was a meeting with the Piney Creek

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 neighborhood community which is this area right here on June 10th generally

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 the attendees were in approval of the SC zoning district no public response

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 forms were received for this particular area

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 areas 25 and 26 we've combined these two because they share a similar character

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 in that it is along I 35 I 35 corridor there is a number of uses here worth

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 mentioning is the Cumberland Presbyterian Children's Home which is

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 located in area five in this general area here we also have the Presbyterian

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 Hospital on area within area 26 there's a number of hospital services medical

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 clinic restaurants and the like multifamily as well what staff is

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 proposing is that this goes to a MR mixed-use regional zoning district it

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 serves as a good zoning district primarily because of the land use element

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 that calls this out as a regional mixed-use designation in our future land

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 use map it provides as a regional draw to the area where the Presbyterian

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 Hospital is a regional draw it's also in close proximity to the razor ranch as

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 well as UNT again a regional draw therefore makes use regional is the most

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 suitable zoning district the height allowed under the MR is a hundred feet

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 and we feel that that's suitable for the area along I 35 it provides that

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 flexibility for folks to develop higher than what is proposed under MN pressure

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 back thank you so obviously this was a compromise on area 25 between instead of

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 a highway corridor or an MN this was a happy medium for you with the MR correct

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 in and we felt that this area was more of a regional draw rather than a highway

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 corridor and then they can go back and forth but because of UNT and because of

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 razor ranch because of the hospital we felt that this was more of a regional

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 draw and you see something similar where medical city is that is MR currently

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 and that's what we're trying to replicate here in this area okay MR okay

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 MR allows dwelling units pretty much all except for single-family correct which

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 is pretty much isn't that backing up to single families though or is that mainly

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 apartments there there are some I mean this is the biggest one is Cumberland

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 right that's not gonna change I don't think that will change but our seven

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 area behind our seven yes so we try to keep our seven where they are today but

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 definitely there will be some buffers and screening requirements if they are

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 I believe there's a road between these two parcels sorry my mouse right over

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 here so again when and if they develop there will be some requirements as far

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 as providing some separation between the single family thank you there was a

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 property owner or property owners that requested that this go to MR rather than

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 keeping an under the MN staff they receive one in favor response in favor

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 in the area 25 that is there's 25 and 26 we are going in here 27 if so I can if I

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 can ask Commissioner Cole to excuse himself area 27 is the ranch estate's

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 neighborhood it is possibly 147 acres 65 parcels the existing uses as you can

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 probably imagine is mainly single-family homes homes that were built in the mid

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 60s up to the early 70s there are some were built newer those that are not

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 single-family are either undeveloped or used as general agriculture the

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 neighborhood reached out to the staff during the public outreach effort during

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 our development code update and zoning change and they are requesting the M I'm

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 sorry the r1 they are currently zone r2 and the reason is that they want to keep

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 their large lots as intact as possible the are to would allow a person to

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 subdivide their lots to 16,000 square feet a minimum 16,000 the r1 will bump

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 that up to 32,000 now the neighborhood would like to see a higher square

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 footage but that's what we have today afforded so the r1 is the only one that

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 we would consider and that is what's being proposed staff looked at the

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 average acreage of each of those lots that are there the 65 lots six are under

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 one acre you see some of them here as well as over here and in this area as

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 well 22 are between one and two acres and then the larger portion of that 37

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 are between two and three acres staff also attended a neighborhood meeting

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 with the red states and again all that were present were generally in approval

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 in fact they provided their requests in writing and provided comic cards from

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 that meeting and that was included in the packet that was provided to you all

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 staff did receive one I'm sorry four responses in favor however there was one

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 a resident that was in opposition or is in opposition and that area is right

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 here on Cindy Lane and US 380

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 Ron real fast two things first just as a reminder especially Commissioner Smith

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 and Pernetta although we are going through all items a through you in work

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 session we are pulling out six items in public session either through recusal or

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 we've gotten public feedback so we're taking these in order right now but we

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 go to public session items DG NO Q&U we pulled separately we'll hear those

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 individually and take six different boats on those the remaining ones the

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 bulk of a through you since we didn't get feedback right as of yet we'll take

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 them in one vote so that makes sense of why we had a recusal made presentation I

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 one question on this the the requirement for our one is not one acre it's 32,000

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 square feet do we know about those six how many of those fall under the 32,000

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 does that make sense yes yes I think all could be 40,000 square feet and I I can

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 I can check on that I don't have that information some of them look like

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 they're not even close but I'm just eyeballing and now I can take a look at

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 that Christian back thank you the opposition the one you pointed out there is there not a

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 residence there now is there not a single-family home on that corner because his

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 opposition was that it was unsuitable for a single-family yeah I spoke to the

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 property owner and it's his his reason was he just doesn't want to go to r1 he

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 would prefer the r2 I don't know he does not reside on that

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 property it looks like it's vacant but something we can check as well during

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 the break okay thanks Commissioner Ellis thank you chair to your point with the

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 square footage there's there's thirty three thousand five hundred and sixty

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 square foot in an acre how many 33 560 I thought it's 45 okay so 43 560 yeah I'm

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 sorry that makes more sense it does excuse me okay great oh my gosh and

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 we'll look at those six acre those six lots that are less than an acre okay we're

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 gonna bring back Commissioner Cole so chair this is gonna be a little tricky

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 in that I've got two slides that cover area 30 we'll go through this and what

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 I'll do in my presentation during public hearing is not mentioned directly area

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 30 but then we'll come back at a you know next and then we'll spend a little

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 bit more time on area 30 and go through that item separately sounds great so

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 okay area next areas or groupings is areas 28 through 32 as you see here

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 they are primarily along I 35 next to the loop as well as highway 77 the

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 zonings are sort of the existing uses found here range from an RV supercenter

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 to some major automotive repair shops some gas stations to travel plaza self

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 storage offices and also a single-family dwellings which are located within more

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 or less the areas to the west of I 35 staff is proposing that the area 28 be

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 zone HC as frontage of that area is primarily along I 35 building materials

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 automotive sales and leasing or leasing travel Plaza all are permitted by right

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 under the HC general office is comprised of the other areas the 29 30 31 and 32

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 per the future land use map as well as a language element this area is suitable

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 for business innovation general office fits that zoning district it allows for

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 warehouses self storage but primarily businesses and higher larger size

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 corporate offices as well and this is what our future lane use in our then

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 plan 2030 calls for therefore we're looking to propose the zoning of geo in

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 this area now geo versus MR very similar in their uses but again general office

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 is more leaning towards the offices larger track developments Christian back

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 okay this is where I'm curious there's most of these tracks there's it's empty

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 right now correct so the plan to make a general office as opposed to sustaining

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 the highway corridor along 35 how'd that come about primarily we we looked at the

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 areas for example area 28 they are already like you said developed they do

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 have some of the general retail or retail that's primarily along a highway

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 corridor as we head north past the loop it became less and less and we felt that

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 there was more of an opportunity there to be more of a geo zoning district

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 where those uses would be more suitable for those areas how is the city trying

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 to accomplish that they were going the Chamber of Commerce or something I mean

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 are there ways that we're trying to attract people I think I think partly the

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 zoning map is a good start we certainly are working with economic development in

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 our efforts they they also recognize that there is a need for more corporate

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 offices or general office in in the city and we just have to identify that in the

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 map on the map so as you can see it also stretches across the other side of I-35

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 primarily this area was in our prior development I'm sorry our prior plan to

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 be regional but we know that between medical city area razor-range area

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 there's there's just there's already enough regional draw areas this would

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 best be best served as a general office as far as future development and from

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 what I could tell didn't seem to be anybody opposed to the geo property

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 owners no in fact we got some one response in favor for area 28 we did

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 receive one response in opposition for area 30 and that's one reason why we're

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 pulling that item and I'll go into more the details for that other than that

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 there has been no response either you know position or in favor I've not

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 received any calls or emails for these four areas 29 30 31 and 32 okay thanks

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 commissioner Ellis thank you chair Ron in area 30 is the one opposition is that

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 the one item that was made non-conforming with this and it's not

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 conforming and we'll get more into it we made over here it is actually I

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 apologize the loves travel stop is what we're referring to they currently own

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 the area that's currently geo and then what we're proposing is this lot that

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 they own and this lot that they own to transition or to be rezoned from MR to

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 geo so under the MR travel Plaza is not permitted under the geo travel Plaza is

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 not permitted so staff has a couple recommendations that would address this

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 we can go back into the code and amend the the use table to allow travel

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 plazas under the geo with more user to use specific standards or we can come

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 back at a later time and apply the HZ zone HC zoning district which does allow

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 for travel plazas by right I think staff is leaning towards number one as far as

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 a recommendation however we still have to work throughout the use specific

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 standards associated with that you said before thank you okay now I would not be

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 in favor of number one with the way I have seen these this initiation of geo's

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 throughout the city there travel plazas and many of these geo's would be highly

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 inappropriate what we have one of the use specific standards that we talked

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 about is it has to be a certain distance away from I-35 so that would mean any

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 proximity to proximity that is to I-35 therefore if it's more inland or away

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 from I-35 it does not make sense and I don't think most travel plazas will be

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 located outside or without within sorry not in close proximity to I-35 so okay

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 well we have a travel plaza in close proximity to 35 that is misplaced in our

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 city so I definitely want to steer clear of sure having that happen again and and

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 we can we can have those discussions as we bring forward that code amendment

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 thank you to clarify because she'll see some of Bucky's yes I am okay I was

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 saying my mind went to that too well and just to clarify and I don't know if we

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 can get into that discussion Jerry but by definition the travel plaza is defined

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 as an area that provides rest resting showers and all the other amenities that

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 you find typically in a travel plaza such as loves pilot and flying J I

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 believe is the another one so those are what we refer to as travel plazas okay

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 all right moving on to areas 33 and 34 these are grouped together primarily

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 because they're along I-35 one is off of Primrose and the other is along

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 Bolivar Oliver Elm and Locust primarily non-residential uses in the form of

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 offices personal services restaurants and the like staff is proposing that

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 these two areas in very small one parcel 33 right here is 12 13 Primrose B zone

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 SC 34 the same currently it is MN that's what it would transition to staff is

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 proposing that it go to SC primarily again the frontage is along 380 one in

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 particular area Primrose that is existing as an existing general personal

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 service use and it is currently zone NR 3 staff would like that be corrected by

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 going to SC so this is a shot of that parcel that is currently NR 3 which will

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 transition to our three what staff is proposing is that it go to SC we did

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 receive one response in favor for area 33 and also a response in favor for area

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 34 already areas 35 36 38 and 39 these are as you see here along 380 as well as

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 the loop all of these are currently transitioning into an MN zoning district

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 and what staff is proposing is that it be zone as an SC zoning district

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 suburban corridor one that it is again fronting those major arterials future

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 land use shows these areas as community mix use as far as the SC there are more

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 commercial and vehicle related uses that are permitted and in that also

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 multifamily if permitted would require if proposed would require a specific

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 use permit we did receive one letter in opposition and that was from property

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 owner of one of the parcels in the area 38 and and this is one of the other

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 areas that we will be pulling and be considering as a separate item the

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 property owner requested that be pulled and remain as MN for that property

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 coaster back thank you chair where's when she'll Windsor Drive on there

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 especially as it relates to that Western okay okay it's further south that's

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 eventually going to connect at 35 it's my understanding 288 288 288 yes once

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 this area develops yes right but I think it will stop there or maybe or maybe go

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 over I don't think it would be in that grade intersection okay okay and that

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 35 I believe that's where didn't Bible churches that's conforming to an SC or is

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 that east of this is then Bible the other this is the apartment and there's

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 a gas station there and this is a vacant piece of property gotcha perfect

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 Chris Ross thank you Ron 38 is on the west side of their 288 as well right 30

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 yes on both sides yes so the property owner just requested that the east side

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 be MN and that the east side I'm sorry the west side remain or be proposed as

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 SC okay and I believe that the property owner will be present and we can ask

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 question it's the same property owner for both of those parcels yes okay 37

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 this is the area just north of us here just the south of loop 288 and east of

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 locus it is approximately fifty eight point six seven acres the use is

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 primarily undeveloped general agriculture in some respects but there is also the

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 Asbury United Methodist Church located in this general vicinity here staff is

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 proposing that this area be be zoned as suburban corridor again looking at our

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 land use element also the area is bounded by locus an arterial street loop

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 288 and also that this parcel is a split zoning parcel which means that it

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 contains three different zoning districts as a result of a prior PD prior

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 plan development and in 2002 the PD went away but the zoning carried forward but

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 three different zonings on one parcel and so an effort to correct that we did

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 consult with the property owner in fact they attended the plan the public

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 hearing through planning zoning Commission City Council and they're

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 requesting an SC zoning district now those proper though that property owner

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 owns everything north of this red line and up staff during our analysis

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 included this area in red however through a neighborhood meeting that we

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 just held last night the property owner the Asbury Methodist Church requested

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 that their properties be withdrawn from consideration in that again we will

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 discuss further as this item is discussed during the public hearing and

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 I believe their reasons were it doesn't benefit them there's no advantage to go

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 into SC and that's what they told me and I don't know they'll be here tonight I

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 didn't ask that they attend but again that is their response to the proposal

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 Commissioner Beck thanks what's that little stretch along locust there from

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 zone SC okay today we'll transition to SC the shade look a little different yes

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 okay it is just to highlight a little bit better okay thanks we did receive a

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 number of opposition five in total six including the the church did receive

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 some phone calls and emails again that prompted us to have a neighborhood

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 meeting yesterday we we held one the turnout wasn't as much as we would hope

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 but I'm assuming that they will be present tonight and we'll be able to hear

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 their comments on during the public hearing Commissioner Beck I believe this

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 was one of the few areas where the property owner actually wanted correct

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 what you're suggesting right everything again north of the red line was part of

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 what the correct okay Ron can you remind me what the current transition zoning is

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 if there's no action taken on this would be SC right because it's already that

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 this would be our six this would be our three and this would be our two so these

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 two lots would be our two okay thank you I included a slide to help illustrate

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 some of the information that we learned from the property owner is that the area

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 to the east of the parcel that we're referring to has a hundred foot

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 electrical easement the areas to an extent south here and then then turns

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 north along this general direction and what that is is the transmission lines

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 coming from this substation follows this general alignment and heads north also

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 there is a flip plane in the area to the south which provides a general buffer to

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 the church and again that's something that wanted to let the Commission know

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 that that's present on on the site okay area 40 through 43 as you can see it's

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 primarily between loop 28 they are primarily between loop 28 and May Hill

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 Road we're primarily looking at a zoning that's going from an Li light industrial

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 to a excuse me geo general office zoning district the area that is 41 that is

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 proposed to go to suburban corridor and the benefits of course or the the

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 reasons why is that of course loop 28 and may Hill serve as a primary frontage

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 for these areas and they are both arterial streets our future land use map

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 our land use element calls this area out as business innovation the commercial

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 uses are less intense than the industrial uses that are permitted in

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 the Li again for both the geo and the SC staff has received one response in

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 opposition and that is signified by this red line here a red box here and that's

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 for area 40 another reason we're pulling that particular out area out and then

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 one response in neutral in area 41 regarding 44 this is an area that staff

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 is recommending more time to further analyze there was a parcel left out and

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 just requesting that the planning zoning Commission postponed this to a date

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 indefinite and then we will reschedule and repost this area and have it brought

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 back to the planning zoning Commission at a later time we did send out 402

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 property owner mailings 1,100 courtesy postcards out of those we received 11

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 responses in favor 10 in opposition and one in neutral staff recommends that we

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 approve again there is two way through to T and those are those areas that

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 then fight there and that we also recommend that we postpone area 44 for

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 a later time Kirsten Smith thank you on the six that are being pulled out

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 separately when we did this last time we had we pulled those to the top of the

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 agenda and saw and heard those all separately and then voted in mass and

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 here you mentioned that earlier we get to pull those out separately move to the

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 top the agenda hear them separately then hear the rest and then vote on those as

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 total that's the plan my logic though and I'm open to suggestions is to hear

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 the bulk in case someone is here that wants to speak on those we can pull it

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 out and then hear the one separate after the main presentation either way I guess

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 just are we gonna separate them I win yes yeah so I apologize Mr. Smith but

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 the items we will be pulling out areas 27 30 37 38 and 40 yes yes we will be

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 doing that so we'll have a main vote on the primary and then we'll take those

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 six different votes on the secondary ones thanks

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 Kosher Ellis thank you chair Ron are we discussing you at all or we simply

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 you're wanting us to just postpone it we're not having discussion on staff

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 would like us just to postpone it we won't we won't discuss it we won't

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 present it in hoping that we can present at a later time any other questions for

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 this evening's meeting awesome Ron I just want to officially thank you for

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 all the work this looks like a ton of work just to even do the agenda looks

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 like a lot of work not to mention the mailings and everything else so thank

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 you and the team in the city for for all the work getting this done and making it

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 as easy as possible for us tonight so appreciate that appreciate it and with

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 that we'll close our work session at 538 we'll reconvene in council chambers at

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 630

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 ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the planning and zoning Commission special

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 called session for June 26 2019 seeing that we have a quorum I'll call the

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 meeting to order at 631 the first item on the agenda is to stand if able and

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 provide a pledge of allegiance to the US and Texas flag

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 allegiance to the Texas state under God one indivisible so just as a way of

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 introducing tonight tonight we'll be considering group two of the city

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 initiated zoning change recommendations for certain areas of the city the staff

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 will be making a presentation on items 2a through to you at the same time these

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 areas are part of the city's efforts update the city's development code on

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 April 23rd 2019 the City Council approved an ordinance adopting the dent

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 development code which included a zoning district transition chart the chart

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 illustrates how existing zoning districts were renamed consolidated and

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 ultimately reduced from 23 to 16 zones the proposed city initiated zoning

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 changes being considered tonight will address the non-conforming uses and

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 structures and provides consistency with the city's comprehensive plan so after

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 the staff provides a presentation from items 2 through a will open it for

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 public hearing and feedback item 44 which is item to you will be asked to be

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 postponed to a date later this evening and then just as a way of managing the

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 agenda this evening there will be a singular presentation for items 2a

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 through to you with the exception of the following items that have been called

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 out as separate items for discussion those items are items to D area 27 to G

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 area 30 to N area 37 to O area 38 to Q area 40 and then just the

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 affirmation to you so will happen this evening is we're gonna take item 2a

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 through to you minus the ones I just said have a singular presentation on

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 those anyone wishing to speak on those items can certainly have the opportunity

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 during the public hearing on those items and then the singular items will be

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 heard separately so if you hear to speak on area 27 30 37 38 or 40 we're gonna do

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 that after the first vote and we'll have individual considerations and individual

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 vote on each of those items so those are items that either there is a conflict

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 of interest from the Commission that needs to be pulled aside or we've

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 actually received feedback from the residents to separately hear and discuss

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 those items so with that I'm gonna invite Ron Maguida to present item 2a

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 through to you and Ron is for clarification was I able to express the

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 intent this evening or is there anything to add no you're perfect great thank you

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 chair members of the Commission Ron Maguida principal planner with

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 development services I stated earlier with the introduction this is group two

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 of a number of groups that will be bringing forward as part of our city

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 initiated zoning changes efforts this exhibit here this slide here illustrates

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 where we are today actually we're doing 26 we have 21 areas to consider and 350

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 parts parcels are part of that 21 areas we will also be taking a group three in

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 the future those dates have not yet been determined or those areas have not been

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 identified but they are generally along Teasley, Fort Worth Drive and areas north

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 of the the universities both TW and UNT in the neighborhood University

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 compatibility areas just by way of introducing these zoning changes staff

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 looks at a number of things the one thing that we do look at is the

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 transition chart as mentioned earlier the transition chart was adopted in

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 April with the new development code update in that transition chart it

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 identifies what the existing zoning is going to transition to we use that we

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 also use existing uses on the ground identifying what are there now and how

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 we can make them conforming if they are not currently conforming looking at

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 protecting our existing residential neighborhoods making sure that those

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 areas are protected by way of transition zoning or just a proper zoning that's

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 for for that area we've listened to the public we've received comments either

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 through common cards through the public hearing process through our public

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 outreach efforts we have taken their input and incorporated that into our

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 areas that we're proposing and again the line use element of the den plan 2030

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 also played a part in our decision or our determining of those areas group two

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 is made up of these areas here that you see and this exhibit is really hard to

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 see but it's really to give you an idea of where we're looking at we're looking

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 at along I 35 corridor all the way up to Ganzer Road we're also looking at us 380

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 and the loop as well and you can see that extends from the north to the south

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 and also areas that are between the loop and Mayhill Road ending around where the

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 medical city regional hospitals located so with that the first area is area 9

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 and as you all know this area was part of group one but was pulled for reasons

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 of not having proper notification so it is now properly notified and we are

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 bringing this forward this is area fronts sent us into a boulevard as well

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 as I 35 e the areas consist of general retail there's a bowling alley there's a

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 proposed hotel and other offices and banks within area 9 staff is proposing

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 that this area be sown suburban corridor you see that the color in this lighter

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 pink area is what we're referring to the suburban corridor and the MR which what

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 it would have transitioned to share similar uses but not as intense as the

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 MR another difference between MR and SC is that the MR allows a hundred foot

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 tall building maximum while the SC allows up to 55 feet again the reason

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 why we're proposing an SC is to act as a transition between the mall area and the

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 MR to the in between that to the north of residential zoning districts that you

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 see here on June 10th we did meet with the neighbors or the neighborhood of

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 Piney Creek they were in attends and in general after explaining the proposal

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 they were in approval of the proposed SC zoning as of this afternoon staff has

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 not received any notices I'm sorry responses to the notices that were sent

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 out the next group of areas is there is 25 and 26 and the reason why we're

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 grouping these is primarily because they share the same characteristics and the

440
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,480
 same zoning districts they are both proposed to go to an MR makes use

441
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:13,040
 regional zoning district and if you're familiar with this area the Cumberland

442
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,600
 respiratory and children's home is located in area 25 we've got some

443
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,040
 undeveloped properties as well as some commercial properties in the area area

444
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:28,400
 26 has multifamily and the Presbyterian Hospital and medical offices and clinics

445
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:36,200
 within this area again MR is what's being proposed under this city initiated

446
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,040
 zoning change MR allows for a number of zoning I'm sorry number of uses that are

447
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,920
 more suitable for the area this is under the future land use map a regional mix

448
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:55,040
 use designated area which means that there's a regional draw to the area it

449
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,760
 is close to the University of North Texas it is just south of the razor

450
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,440
 ranch development and again it also consists of the Presbyterian Hospital a

451
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:09,480
 similar location where MR is located as you all know is also the medical city

452
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,280
 right there on May Hill and I 35 so this is somewhat similar to what we're trying

453
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,120
 to propose in this area maximum height for MR is a hundred feet and again most

454
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,680
 of these properties are along I 35 and staff feels that that is a suitable

455
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,920
 zoning for the area that you see here outlined in black there was a property

456
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,880
 owner that requested that one of their properties be zone MR and that's what

457
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,960
 we're taking forward staff has received one response in favor and that is for

458
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,800
 area 25

459
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:55,840
 seven and that will be brought up at a later time areas 28 and through 32 is

460
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:03,040
 generally in the area that you see here along I 35 loop 288 and highway 77 the

461
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,880
 area that you see consists of a lot of different uses we've got an RV

462
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:15,440
 Supercenter some automotive repair shops trans trans travel Plaza that is gas

463
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,160
 stations hotels offices and some single-family detached dwelling as well

464
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:29,560
 but primarily 29 30 31 32 are primarily undeveloped and have large tracks of

465
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:35,760
 properties and for those reasons we are proposing geo general office for those

466
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:44,440
 areas again 29 30 31 and 32 28 is proposed to go to HC highway corridor

467
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:51,840
 again for illustration purposes 28 is shown here along I 35 I 35 allows for

468
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:59,840
 more commercials that are more suitable for I 35 and geo is under the proposed

469
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,320
 zoning for the areas again that have larger tracks that are currently

470
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,440
 designated as business innovation under our damn plan 2030 and allows for more

471
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,320
 uses that are suitable for for the area in the form of warehouses light light

472
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:22,320
 industrial and primarily offices under the general office zoning district staff

473
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:30,040
 did receive one response in favor for area 28 and we'll go one and we will not

474
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:37,600
 talk about area 30 as that will be discussed at a later item areas 33 and

475
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:45,000
 34 the area that we're referring to is along I 30 I'm sorry US 380 one is on

476
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,320
 Primrose Road the other is bounded by Bolivar Elm and Locus the uses that are

477
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:58,240
 there now are non-residential primarily uses that you would normally see along

478
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:05,080
 a corridor such as US 380 what staff is proposing is those parcels be zone

479
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:11,040
 suburban corridor the primary frontage for those is 380 the future land use

480
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:17,080
 shows those areas as community mixed use some downtown compatibility areas again

481
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,920
 more commercial uses that are not normally permitted under the non

482
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,280
 residential zoning districts I'm sorry the residential residential zoning

483
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:31,120
 district so suburban quarter is what we are proposing they're currently there is

484
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:37,840
 currently one property and that is 1213 Primrose Road and that is as you can see

485
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,200
 on this in this photo has always been commercial since the 1970s is my

486
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,960
 understanding it was zoned in our three in 2002 and what we are proposing is to

487
00:47:49,960 --> 00:48:01,000
 make this conforming by going to suburban quarter zoning district 35 36 and 39

488
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:09,680
 we're gonna talk about 38 and a later item these areas are proposed as

489
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,640
 suburban corridor as they are located along US 380 and loop 288 the uses that

490
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:24,200
 are there currently are undeveloped gas stations apartments as well as offices

491
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,960
 what staff is proposing for these areas 35 36 and 39 is suburban corridor

492
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,320
 again primarily the uses along suburban corridor are more suitable for the areas

493
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,840
 that are identified here we did receive a response in opposition again that's

494
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:54,520
 area 38 and we will discuss that at a later time next areas is areas of 41

495
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:02,400
 through 43 we're going to skip 40 and we'll come back to that the areas 41 42

496
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:09,320
 and 43 are long between May Hill Road and loop 288 generally primarily along

497
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:16,240
 May Hill Road these areas are primarily undeveloped with some uses that are more

498
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:21,440
 in light industrial in the form of warehouses self-service storage there's

499
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,640
 some general retail some medical office and administrative offices staff is

500
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:37,440
 proposing an SC for area 41 and geo for 42 and 43 geo is again a suitable zoning

501
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,160
 district for what is referred to as business innovation and that is what

502
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:48,000
 this area is designated for we did receive one response in neutral for area

503
00:49:48,000 --> 00:50:00,840
 41 and for the purpose of the Commission staff did send out new notices through

504
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,720
 our newspaper and our website we also sent out 400 we sent out 402 property

505
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:14,320
 order mailings and 100 I'm sorry a thousand 114 courtesy postcards from

506
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,880
 those we've received numerous phone calls and emails but in response forms

507
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:26,160
 we received 11 in favor 10 in opposition and one in neutral staff is recommending

508
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,280
 approval of those items that were introduced at the beginning of this

509
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:36,160
 presentation thanks Ron for presentation and all your hard work that you put on

510
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,040
 this Commissioner Beck thank you chair thanks Ron could you go back to the

511
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:56,720
 proposed zoning for area 35 okay the on the north side it shows suburban

512
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:01,920
 corridor but there's that is that a wider is that that area right there yeah

513
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:08,160
 is that not zone that is MN it's a light it is lavender color mixed-use

514
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:15,560
 neighborhood okay great thanks Ron I don't see any other questions thank you

515
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,840
 okay at this time the public hearing has been opened and anyone wishing to speak

516
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,000
 on these items presented may certainly do so just for clarification is Kenneth

517
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,760
 Stewart here Kenneth Stewart

518
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:37,800
 Kenneth Stewart stout sorry I'm reading that wrong which item were you here to

519
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:51,120
 speak on 41 perfect so we do have two cards for items that were discussed this

520
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,960
 presentation both are for area 41 item 2 are the first card I had was Allen

521
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,080
 Bishop if you'd please come down and just state your name and address for the

522
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:07,960
 record you'll have four minutes to speak my name is Allen Bishop the address is 204

523
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,240
 North May Hill Denton Texas 76 208 and I actually just had some questions the

524
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,120
 first time I've been involved in something like this so I've read the

525
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,520
 160 page document I've read the uses so currently we are a commercial air

526
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:26,280
 conditioning business and we run offices out of that building so we have text

527
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,720
 come and go no big deal it still fits in the category for the proposed uses for

528
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:36,540
 suburban corridor but the question I had was through two processes now once with

529
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:40,520
 the remodel and once with the parking lot in the May Hill expansion we've

530
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,640
 followed all the city of Denton's things permitted everything and done

531
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,600
 everything both times not being disclosed that these other things were

532
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,120
 happening I don't want this to go through and then turn around be told we

533
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,000
 have to do something different to the building so I mean we don't have the

534
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,440
 front space that you're set back you're supposed to have in all those things but

535
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,440
 they've all signed off on that through the other two permitting process so

536
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,000
 that's what I was worried about yes great question Ron can you answer his

537
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:18,360
 questions about use setbacks and the like sure yes as development occurs or

538
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,160
 let me let me rephrase that as the project I believe it's May Hill yes that's

539
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,320
 correct May Hill Road gets widened there's

540
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,520
 obviously going to be some acquisition as part of that widening project any

541
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:37,680
 development that is there now would have a right to occupy that space now if

542
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,320
 there is proposals to expand or to change use or whatever it may be that it

543
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,720
 may affect the standards such as parking or landscaping certainly we have the

544
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:54,160
 understanding that that is and was created by the the widening of the

545
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:01,040
 project and you've met that so what I would say is that when you propose

546
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,400
 something different in the future we will understand that that was also

547
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:11,120
 created by the widening of the project of May Hill Road and we will review that

548
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:16,400
 accordingly now there is certain things that we will look for that are life

549
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:22,120
 safety but there are certain things that our director can make decisions on does

550
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,680
 that make sense so I can't answer yes or no because it depends on what's being

551
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,160
 proposed well no I understand that I'm just worried about something changing

552
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:36,920
 right the use of his current structure if that doesn't happen there wouldn't be

553
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,520
 anything enforced upon him that's persisting that's correct if you're

554
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:46,080
 existing you'd be remaining there as long as you stay the same yes sir thank

555
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,960
 you I could just add one of the other components that we have in the new DDC

556
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:57,280
 is a certificate of zoning compliance and so that is something we can make

557
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,000
 sure we have your name so as it gets it in enacted we can provide that to you so

558
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,820
 you have that documentation as you move forward it would clarify that your that

559
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:12,320
 your use as it exists today is is conforming with the current zoning

560
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:21,880
 thanks for your mr. ship can stout and if you can just state your name and

561
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:30,600
 address for the record I live at 4608 Mills Road just north of the school

562
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,160
 service center we have one street that goes behind us that they use mostly

563
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,800
 buses and and for their own advantage the property that we are talking about

564
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,380
 those over on McKinney Street I've got seven pieces of property over it's going

565
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:52,600
 to be tied in that's about 200 maybe 300 foot off of May Hill Road to be the

566
00:55:52,600 --> 00:56:03,720
 formerly it used to have the garage for four-door garage with office space has a

567
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:09,440
 brick house on it a two-story house a mobile home and another older to have a

568
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,960
 two bedroom house on it and it's tied up with Miss Carter's place and I talked

569
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:21,720
 with her hers joins my Hill Road and of course she's like me kind of elderly and

570
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:28,160
 what our concern is is some our tax situation will we be kindly brought

571
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:34,360
 blocked in until the place sells hers if she passes away or myself where we live

572
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,360
 now I will tell you the value that the school district has on the corner of

573
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,760
 Mills in May Hill there's five acres that they own in there it's two million

574
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,960
 three hundred thousand dollars what the value they have placed on it so it does

575
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,880
 mean a big if somebody else comes wants to build something on there we need to

576
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,800
 know kind of what we're looking at and I know y'all don't set the tax rate but it

577
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:07,240
 does affect our livelihood and that's one of the questions I have is I talked

578
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:12,720
 with her over the phone and she said that she was willing to live there as

579
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,080
 long as she lives she didn't want to sell it now and I'm in the process of

580
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:24,120
 trying to sell the stuff on McKinney Street and it affects me quite a bit

581
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,960
 quickly are you wondering if the rezoning will directly impact your tax

582
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,480
 implications of the city am I understanding that right I think for a

583
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,760
 lot of people they want to make sure those taxes stay Richard do you have any

584
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:47,800
 insight on rezoning as it compares to tax implications or Ron that is a good

585
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,240
 question we've heard this question numerous times from from property owners

586
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,960
 as you all know the city doesn't control the appraisal and the county does and my

587
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,160
 understanding is that the county appraisal what they do is they find the

588
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,120
 highest and best use of that property now it would only affect your property I

589
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,200
 mean but your property is not part of this rezoning those areas that are part

590
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,520
 of the rezoning would probably see some I'm not sure what that would be but the

591
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,160
 whole the whole area I would say is seeing an increase in property taxes how

592
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:25,000
 is how this zoning affects you directly it does not directly but indirectly it

593
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,940
 may be because of those other properties increasing their value so

594
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:38,560
 thanks Ron absolutely thanks for coming out those are the only two cards I had

595
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:45,160
 on these items specifically is there anyone who wanted to speak on these

596
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:51,680
 items again these items include all items except D G N O Q and U that's

597
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:58,700
 areas 27 30 37 38 40 and 44 so what we're about to do on the dais is to

598
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:04,280
 consider a motion for those items yes sir

599
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:10,240
 yes area 40 we heard separately and we'll have your your card here for you

600
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,880
 so we're gonna take a separate vote on each of those items so we'll have six

601
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,120
 more votes after this one is there anyone else who wants to speak on this

602
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:26,700
 item yes sir if you could come 27 will be heard next yep so after this it'll go

603
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:39,200
 items area 27 area 30 area 37 area 38 area 40 area 44 is anyone wanting to

604
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,480
 speak on the items left over yes sir

605
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:50,280
 hello my name is Vince Hasler my address is 4946 Ford Locust Street and this is

606
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:58,840
 regarding item number 37 which is the tract of land that is on the southeast

607
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:04,000
 corner of Luke 288 and North Locust so make sure I'm in the right order here I

608
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,960
 mean yes we're gonna hear 37 independent of this okay

609
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:15,240
 I'll come back you're totally fine it can be very confusing so anyone who's

610
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:22,000
 wanting to speak on items not concerning 27 30 37 38 40 or 44 those items will be

611
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,800
 heard individually and separately from this

612
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,800
 scene 9 I'll close public hearing Commissioner Smith make a motion to

613
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:39,200
 approve all items except for DG no Q&U Commissioner Pernitta the second the

614
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,080
 motion we have a first and a second for approval of items to through a pulling

615
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:52,200
 out DG no Q&U any discussion see none I call for a vote of the board

616
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:02,440
 motion carries 7-0 now move into the individual items the first item is item

617
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:10,440
 2 D that's area 27 and I'll invite Ron Maguida back for an update on area 27

618
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,840
 specifically and open the public hearing

619
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,000
 thank you chair members of the Commission this is area 27 as introduced

620
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:36,880
 this is the ranch estates neighborhood located north of 380 and roughly west of

621
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,920
 Marshall Road it is approximately 147 acres making up of 65 parcels as you see

622
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:48,680
 here outlined in the yellow the uses primarily within this area is single

623
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:54,480
 family there are some parcels that are not developed or undeveloped in or our

624
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:02,720
 general agriculture in nature staff is proposing that this area then ranch estates

625
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:11,640
 neighborhood be zoned r1 the zoning of r1 has a minimum lot area of 32,000

626
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:17,160
 square feet maximum building coverage of 30% and just be by way of answering a

627
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:22,480
 question that was presented at the work session staff identified there were six

628
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:29,360
 lots that are less than one acre and four of those were less than 32,000

629
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:36,360
 square feet so four of those would be impacted if this were to go through but

630
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:44,160
 the remaining 61 would be in conformance the area on average has a lot size of

631
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:50,680
 approximately 2.27 acres again six are less than one acre 22 are between one

632
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,400
 and two and then the majority 37 parcels are between two acres and three acres

633
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,400
 there was a neighborhood meeting held on November I'm sorry May 30th and I was in

634
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,440
 attendance at that meeting and there were several members of the community

635
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,520
 present and they provided me with their common cards which I then provided you

636
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:16,720
 all with as part of your backup backup staff has received four responses in

637
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,920
 favor and we did also receive one response in opposition the person that

638
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,360
 provided that response form in opposition I believe is here and I

639
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,720
 believe will be speaking in front of the Commission and that person owns the

640
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:38,040
 property that's shown here - in red and again one of the questions was is this

641
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:43,560
 property developed looking at an aerial back in July of 2018 there is no

642
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,440
 development on that property and I don't I don't think there was one or any

643
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,640
 development since then but again the property owner is here and may clarify

644
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:57,200
 that a little bit further that concludes my presentation of area 27

645
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,800
 Christian Beck thank you chair Ron when you said it would negatively impact

646
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,600
 those was it four or five areas that were less than 32,000 feet what are we

647
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:12,040
 looking at well the the square footage of those lots are roughly 20,000 right

648
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:20,120
 so under the r2 16,000 minimum lot size would make those conforming by going to

649
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:26,680
 our one it would bring that minimum lot size up to 32,000 right which means

650
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:32,360
 those 20 roughly 20,000 square foot lots below the minimum lot size so would they

651
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:39,520
 be they would be left not just as is not performing if they were to develop and

652
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,240
 apply for a permit or something to that effect they would have to come in and

653
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,480
 increase their lot size one way or the other okay but nothing changes nothing

654
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,360
 changes it sounds it looks like from the aerial most of those were storage units

655
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,360
 or just vacant property that just not has not yet developed okay great thanks

656
01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:00,760
 mr. Smith thank you chair and Ron in regards to this the neighborhood is

657
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,080
 primarily worried about that being an nr2 because of the fact that they are

658
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,840
 afraid that development would come in and take these larger lots and develop

659
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:13,000
 them into smaller lots smaller lots down to 16,000 16,000 and they want to try to

660
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:19,480
 preserve and memorialize that that 32,000 dollar 32,000 square foot if they

661
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,040
 could they would probably go higher and they would like to see a minimum lot

662
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:28,040
 size and maybe an acre but we don't have that zoning district in place yep and

663
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:33,520
 certainly they they've expressed other means of getting there but that's not

664
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,960
 part of this discussion today awesome thank you mr. Ellis thank you chair so

665
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:44,040
 Ron just to clarify the six non-conforming lots with regard to size

666
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,760
 do any of them have development on them what I was able to see were just small

667
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,480
 structures and by way of this slide if you can see there's there's one in here

668
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,080
 that's about 20,000 this one is just under 10,000 so that's even lower than

669
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:05,620
 16,000 we also have one in this general area right here and then I believe the

670
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:11,760
 other one is over here so these are the four one two three and four those are

671
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,780
 the smaller lots looking at the aerial I apologize it's hard to see I would say

672
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:22,720
 to the four have some structure the other are undeveloped either owned by

673
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:29,440
 adjacent property owner or just just separately platted or separately divided

674
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,760
 so some of them are owned by an adjacent property owner most yes yes because

675
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,220
 effectively with what you said earlier would probably be impossible to increase

676
01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:43,000
 lot size you know they don't have an adjacent lot to do that then they could

677
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,840
 they can't do anything with it right right I mean unless they increase the

678
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:54,280
 lot size I do not see any other questions thank you do have two cards in

679
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,560
 this item for individuals wanting to speak it is a public hearing so anyone's

680
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:04,320
 welcome to speak the first two I cards I have is Jim Piora

681
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,320
 do you just state your name and address for the record you have four minutes to

682
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:17,880
 be so the name is Jim Perot 3801 Hampton and the northeast side of the area that

683
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,000
 we're discussing and we appreciate the effort you guys are giving us and

684
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:30,680
 looking at the options that we have basically Ranch Estates has been in the

685
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:39,760
 city for decades we've lived in our house for 43 years probably the longest

686
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,720
 out there but there are quite a few that are still in that area it's highly

687
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:51,800
 sought property it's one of the places in city of Denton where you can walk

688
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:57,520
 down the street and give way to kids riding horses because it it is that kind

689
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:07,680
 of an area we hosted the gathering on at the end of May Ron was there and told

690
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:16,480
 us about the R2 and R1 there were over 20 of the residences represented and it

691
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:23,080
 was unanimous of those that attended we we made our attempt at inviting whoever

692
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:30,360
 we could invite in addition to having stuffers and doors and mailboxes so we

693
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:35,840
 didn't have a mailing going out all we had good representation and it was

694
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:45,240
 unanimous in the recommendation of going to our one and basically we're hopeful

695
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:51,640
 that we will remain in I guess I'd say the most restrictive residential area as

696
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:59,080
 far as size and space and number of residents number of buildings so we ask

697
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:07,880
 that you support and and go for the R1 and reclassification thank you thank you

698
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:13,640
 very much next card I have is for John Windsor

699
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:21,760
 did you just state your name address my name is John Windsor I live at 2007

700
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:31,040
 North Lariat Road which is 3/3 piece of property down from the west side of the

701
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:38,640
 neighborhood and I'm in favor of rezoning to our one the facts on the

702
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:43,600
 ground are that it's our one if you were to look this piece of property right here

703
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:51,280
 actually belongs to or is controlled by this landowner I'm not sure he even

704
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:59,160
 knows if that's a separate lot this piece of property was owned by this landowner

705
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:05,080
 he's and he was running to his daughter his daughter since been married and I

706
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,360
 don't know what's happened to the property but almost all of these

707
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,720
 non-conforming pieces of property are part of the are owned by people in the

708
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:18,120
 neighborhood and everybody I won't say everybody because I was told somebody

709
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:24,680
 opposed almost everybody was in favor of going to R1 because it maintains the

710
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:30,720
 neighborhood as it currently stands and as a matter of fact we are looking at

711
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,760
 adding further restrictions because we have deed restrictions that the city

712
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,600
 doesn't enforce and most of us are in favor of those deep restrictions so we

713
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,880
 want to look look at getting those into place as well but the first step is to

714
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:52,160
 go to R1 thank you thank you I don't have any other cards for this item but

715
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:57,080
 Ron had mentioned that there might be another individual wanting to speak is

716
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,000
 there anyone yes

717
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:18,360
 if you could state your name and address we'd appreciate it

718
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,920
 mr. chairman members the Commission my name is Randall Smith 5428 Lake Victoria

719
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:30,560
 Court fireman I own the two acres at the corner of 380 and Western Boulevard or

720
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:37,720
 Cindy Lane I guess it is and I think in general for the majority of this

721
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,320
 property that the zoning is appropriate but I think you should consider looking

722
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:46,880
 at the frontage on 380 I mean is that really an appropriate zoning to have one

723
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:53,200
 acre residential lots and one of the busiest intersections or what's going to

724
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,840
 be one of the business inner industrial intersections in the city I mean there

725
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,000
 are thousands of semi 18 wheelers that come through there every day and stop at

726
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:08,880
 that signalized intersection I mean I just don't think my property suited for

727
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:14,240
 especially not to be down zoned from two lots per acre to one lot per acre so

728
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:21,600
 I'd urge you to maybe consider the frontage on 380 for some other type of

729
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:28,680
 zoning I mean obviously I think some type of commercial use in the future is

730
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:35,040
 probably what's going to be there and I just appreciate your consideration of

731
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,920
 that thank you for being here we do have a question for you commissioner back

732
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:47,040
 thank you chair thank you mr. Smith the neighbors to your west are their homes

733
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:54,160
 on those lots are they vague I believe there's one home okay I've been by

734
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,200
 there a couple times try to talk to him but they've not been home so I haven't

735
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,040
 what about on the other side of Cindy there what about on the other side of

736
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:08,960
 Cindy there is there are the roads that have Cindy the properties single family

737
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,880
 homes on each of those lots okay as far as I okay but that lot you're talking

738
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,520
 about is vacant right now my lot's vacant yes do you have any plans for that if

739
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,240
 you're if our one isn't satisfactory to you which zone have you looked at the

740
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:31,600
 zoning that you think you would be well I'm not happy with either one but I

741
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:37,640
 think the r2 is better than the r1 at this point I mean worst case I could put

742
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:42,640
 two houses on there now if you down zone I only got one okay so but you're not

743
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:47,680
 thinking about doing some commercial development I bought it as a long-term

744
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:53,720
 investments in my IRA you know I'm ten years down the road okay I have no plans

745
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:58,960
 so no absolutes on that okay all right thank you I have one more question

746
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:07,360
 mr. Sanchez so all those lots adjacent to 380 other than yours are you saying

747
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:13,360
 they all have homes right now I believe so I'm not sure if there's a house on

748
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:18,200
 the second one to the west of me or not it doesn't look like it I think there's

749
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,920
 only well I think those people on both of those lots okay okay so and eventually

750
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,280
 you know if they'd redevelop theirs might'll be thrown in with that I mean

751
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:35,600
 most likely somebody would do a redevelopment of that corner okay that's

752
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:41,600
 all I want well mr. Smith thanks for coming out thank you is there anyone

753
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:47,320
 else wanted to speak on item 2d area 27 yes sir

754
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:55,320
 height I live at 3800 Hampton Road Denton there in the upper upper corner up he

755
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:00,560
 John covered a couple of those lots is this mouse work this one is well back to

756
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,560
 your question on what's being used this is actually a drainage so the truck port

757
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,920
 that's being built over here the pond drains through that lot so it also can't

758
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,720
 be developed just addressing another one of those smaller lots that will never be

759
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,920
 developed into anything else to its use but I just wanted to second my support

760
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:24,400
 for going to the r1 there there is the previous speaker talking about his lot

761
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:29,520
 this is a single-family home single-family single-family single-family

762
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:35,680
 home around him so obviously I would want to question any use commercial use

763
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,240
 of that lot being really pretty much up in the middle of the subdivision but

764
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:44,720
 just seconding my support of protecting that subdivision I'm one of the newest

765
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,840
 members of the subdivision I'm 50 and I'm considered a pup there it's taken me

766
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,720
 25 years to get into the subdivision so I'm very interested in protecting you

767
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,800
 know what what they have and what the rest of us are enjoying as well so thank

768
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:07,240
 y'all thank you any other speakers on this item 2d area 27

769
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,760
 see none I will close the public hearing turn the day is for discussion or

770
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,440
 motion Commissioner Smith motion to approve area 27 we have a first

771
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:19,680
 Commissioner Panetta a second we have a first and a second for approval of item

772
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,840
 2d Commissioner Beck I wonder if I can get Ron to come back up and let's

773
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:30,280
 address mr. Smith's concern I definitely don't want to see that be zone

774
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:39,160
 commercial but an R2 I'm wondering if that would be conceivable within just

775
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:45,800
 button up next door to some R1s the staff's proposals that would be all

776
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:52,360
 included as our one okay possibility is obviously there if you choose to keep it

777
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,360
 R2 that's that's up to y'all and I'll actually say council and also me so

778
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:02,080
 if we decide to just vote the whole thing R1 mr. Smith may be able to come

779
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:08,000
 back down the road and ask us to rezone that one area to maybe an R2 well I yes

780
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,120
 okay yes okay R2 or something different yes just want to leave that open okay

781
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:19,760
 fine thank you Commissioner Smith personally I believe that for we're

782
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,280
 putting R1 over the we vote of R1 there that actually seems better for if you

783
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,760
 could have commercial there if you have R2 that just means you're gonna have one

784
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,280
 house just that much closer to the to the to the the major thoroughfare of 380

785
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,120
 that if you are one looking at the other properties though the single-family

786
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,520
 residentials that are out there on those lots next to it they can at least set

787
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,920
 their their house for the for enough back on a driveway to be able to be away

788
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,840
 from the road so I don't think R2 would if mr. Smith was come back and have it

789
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,120
 rezoned we can certainly look at it but I wouldn't want to support anything on

790
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:54,080
 an R2 there just because the argument of it's too close to something that's major

791
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,560
 thoroughfare doesn't really work R1 would be better for that in my opinion

792
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:04,480
 Christian Sanchez yeah looking at the chart up there there's already two acre

793
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:11,480
 at three acre lots in there so I mean it's not that one acre the area we're

794
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:16,440
 talking about does it's pretty similar to what's already there in that a

795
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:22,960
 neighborhood's been around for a long time and I think there's there's all the

796
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:28,240
 residents are talking about they want to maintain it the way it is and I would

797
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:36,920
 vote for our one so we have a first and a second for approval of item 2d any

798
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:43,200
 other discussion seeing none I'll go for a call for a vote on the board

799
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:56,400
 motion carries six zero with one recuse I'll invite Commissioner Cole back into

800
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:01,760
 the room and we'll move on to the next item of business which is item 2g this

801
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:07,000
 is area 30 I'll invite Ron back for presentation and open the public hearing

802
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:23,160
 for item 2g thank you chair members of the Commission item 2g area 30 this

803
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:29,080
 area is the area that's being proposed to go to GO general office which we

804
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:34,320
 discussed will be consistent with the future language designation of business

805
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:42,320
 innovation it's there along 77 288 and I 35 the area that we're referring to is

806
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:48,720
 this dark line here the area is mainly undeveloped with large parcels or large

807
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:56,000
 tracks some develop but mainly undeveloped the response that we receive

808
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:02,880
 was from loves travel stop the one response for area 30 the loves travel

809
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:07,800
 stop currently is occupied in this parcel here as well as this parcel here

810
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:14,600
 these two parcels they have acquired this parcel as a future expansion as the

811
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:20,560
 I 35 widening project happens they will at least have this for future expansion

812
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:26,720
 this way of note the MR which it would have transitioned to or will transition

813
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:33,800
 to unless otherwise rezone does not permit travel plaza the geo also does

814
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:39,280
 not allow for travel plaza and that is the main reason why the property owner

815
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:45,840
 loves travel stop has provided a form in opposition we understand his or their

816
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:51,520
 situation and staff has researched and discussed this internally and discuss it

817
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,760
 with the representative of loves travel and we are proposing that we allow for

818
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:05,520
 travel plaza within the geo zoning district with specific use standards one

819
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,280
 specifically is that any travel plaza proposed has to be within a certain

820
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:16,760
 distance from I 35 and we haven't yet determined what that distance is we're

821
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:21,360
 still working on that but that will be something that we will be sorry we will

822
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,320
 bring forward as part of a code amendment moving forward for whatever

823
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:30,760
 reason if that code amendment does not happen staff will again entertain

824
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:37,640
 possibly a rezoning of that to HC again our first option is to allow for travel

825
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:44,640
 plaza within the geo and that is primarily my presentation for area 30

826
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:50,880
 unless you all have any other questions we do mr. Smith nature I wanted to bring

827
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,020
 it more in public than work session but why is it that the code amendment is

828
01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:58,280
 your number one number one recommendation rather than just doing an

829
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:04,320
 HC in this area HC seems like this this this fits in this scenario but why is geo

830
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,960
 and amending the geo which would affect other areas in the city of course with

831
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,400
 the SCP and asked me within certain distance of 35 that seems more cumbersome

832
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:19,560
 than just proposing this is HC one one is we looked at the use table and under

833
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:25,760
 the HC which is lesser and as far as the zoning is concerned and it does permit

834
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:31,640
 travel plaza it then goes to geo which does not permit it and then it goes to

835
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:36,320
 Li which it permits it again so we're wondering what happened there why was geo

836
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:42,240
 and I believe is because geo is meant to be more of a business innovation or more

837
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:47,080
 you know commercial slash office but there are areas such as this area and

838
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:52,800
 I'll go back to your initial question that could benefit as a travel plaza and

839
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,440
 as long as there's a use specific standard that can be accomplished under

840
01:22:56,440 --> 01:23:03,520
 the geo can do you answer your question the reason why we chose geo versus HC is

841
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:09,360
 that the HC we feel is is more in an area that's more suitable for highway

842
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:14,080
 corridor this area is a little bit further north of town we haven't seen

843
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:20,400
 this the type of uses that are our majority of it under the HC it's got

844
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,200
 larger tracts of properties I think again based on our staff analysis it's

845
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:31,200
 more suitable for geo zoning district than an HC so I don't know that yeah I

846
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:36,040
 think I think I'd agree to disagree on that that you know it's even though yeah

847
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,520
 it's further north and where we have any other HC's right now it's along the

848
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:44,080
 highway that if geo is business innovation I don't see a whole lot of

849
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,080
 business innovation outside of you know you're talking about retail and those

850
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,040
 kinds of things I don't see them being smacked down the side of 35 but one of

851
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,200
 the question follow-up and then I'll relinquish the floor

852
01:23:54,200 --> 01:24:00,600
 Li does Li have any restrictions he said it went HC and then the next zoning was

853
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:05,600
 geo geo didn't allow for travel plaza and then Li allowed for travel plaza again

854
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,320
 is there any restrictions like an SUP or any type of now straight permit straight

855
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,280
 straight permitted okay thanks I have a couple more questions just for

856
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:18,400
 clarification the the vote would be for all the blue area outlined in black this

857
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:23,280
 evening not just the red area correct sorry we're voting for the whole area

858
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:29,720
 identified here and on the agenda whatever acreage debt is now the

859
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:35,640
 Commission has the option to not include those if they choose if you all choose

860
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:40,620
 to but SAS recommendation is that area that is identified in black is for

861
01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:45,160
 consideration thanks for clarification Mr. Ellis thank you chair yeah just to

862
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:51,280
 get back to that discussion of Commissioner Smith I'm not sure why we're

863
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,960
 not pulling this parcel and making it HC to be honest with you we know what's

864
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:02,040
 already there we know 35 is getting widened I am adamantly opposed to

865
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,960
 amending geo to allow travel centers that just seems like a convoluted way to go

866
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:16,640
 about it and opens up the city I think for some possible bad things so if it's

867
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:23,320
 an option to pull this I would certainly want to discuss that as a commission

868
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:32,920
 because I'm not quite sure why staff want this route for this particular lot

869
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:40,600
 Chris or Sanchez yeah I feel the same way you know we've been talking about 35

870
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,800
 as a highway corridor and all of a sudden we you know and that area still

871
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,000
 hasn't been developed but yet we really don't know what might be moving in on

872
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:55,360
 35 on the north side so I think we're shooting you are making decisions

873
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:00,600
 without having knowing what's gonna happen there and long term I think we

874
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:06,240
 need to look at 35 what's gonna go along 35 we know what it looks like on this

875
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:10,360
 port of town and we know what what it looks all the way around so I think the

876
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:15,880
 geo doesn't really fit there and I'm with the other two commissioners is that I

877
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:21,920
 think we need to relook at that and because I don't think the decision as

878
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:29,360
 far as that being a corridor has really been considered from the fact that it

879
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,160
 hasn't been developed so we know something's there already and that's kind

880
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:39,440
 of the first step of what's going we're gonna see there in the future sure so

881
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:45,800
 what I'm hearing and again to the Commission is that the areas that are

882
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:53,360
 in red could be pulled or are we hearing on my hearing that the area the whole

883
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:59,880
 area is being pulled on I just need clarification well I mean we can

884
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:04,840
 certainly discuss that to see where the question is I think I'd be more interested

885
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,760
 in just pulling the area and bringing it back rather than pulling out some

886
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,680
 parcels but we'll keep you posted on where that vote goes

887
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:18,200
 question oh yeah that was actually my clarification my question if we were open

888
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:25,960
 to suggesting a different zoning or to to pull those parcels in any event it

889
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,320
 looks like taping or coming back or some other thing besides approval is what

890
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:44,520
 we're leaning toward on this one right so at this point we're looking more at

891
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,560
 either tabling and bringing it back at another thing or offering up a different

892
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,360
 zoning because because I think at first I thought we're just gonna pull out the

893
01:27:53,360 --> 01:28:00,020
 area in red yeah but are we more leaning towards rezoning the whole area as an

894
01:28:00,020 --> 01:28:04,040
 HC as opposed to so just for clarification I think thus far there's

895
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:10,120
 been three options laid out one is to take all of the black outlined area and

896
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:15,520
 vote on that the second is to pull out specific parcels and leave a remainder

897
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,320
 that remainder that we actually vote to move to council tonight minus some

898
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:24,640
 parcels or is to pull all of area 30 bring it back and maybe the next special

899
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:29,520
 call and and have a deeper dive in those interim weeks so it's kind of more

900
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,840
 fleshed out when it comes back I think all three of those are an opportunity

901
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,360
 for this evening okay yeah it looks like we have a couple more questions that we

902
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:43,520
 do have cards so just to keep the commission aware before a vote of

903
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,640
 postponement happens potentially it might be good to hear public input but

904
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:53,160
 Christian back thank you chair to your statement that this one one of the

905
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:58,800
 options I believe the second one was to vote the area geo except for the red

906
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:04,400
 marked areas pull them out distinctly you can pull out any parcels okay and

907
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:11,080
 consider some zoning designation specifically you sure okay question for

908
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:17,600
 you Ron I believe we approve the building of a truck wash on the north

909
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:22,880
 side of Bartol there does that sorry sorry to catch you out there commissioner

910
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,720
 back but I believe that was not part of it that's currently geo per the

911
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:32,880
 transition chart okay that's where the truck wash is gonna be right and then a

912
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:37,880
 truck wash is allowed in geo or is that gonna be a non-conforming I'll have to

913
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:44,720
 double check that okay I can check that okay thank you we don't have any more

914
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,080
 questions for for you Ron thank you for the presentation it is public hearing

915
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,600
 we have individuals who wanted to speak on this item so the first card we have

916
01:29:52,600 --> 01:30:02,280
 if we can go to this next would be Jeremy Reese then again if you can state

917
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:07,400
 your name and address for minutes to speak good evening Jeremy Reese 4420

918
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,760
 Jackson Street Marianna Florida here representing loves travel stops and the

919
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,800
 newly fairly recently developed travel stuff on that corner just to clarify

920
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,960
 real quick it's not just the red parcels the loves it on it's always it's also on

921
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:26,520
 this parcel here so it's really this entire corner including the red areas

922
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,960
 this was the additional property that was purchased by loves once we got news

923
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,760
 of the textile expansion of I-35 their right-of-way take was actually gonna go

924
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:39,720
 all the way up to the the gas pumps so we would have to completely redevelop

925
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,600
 that site pretty much so with the loves went back and purchased this almost five

926
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:49,600
 acres so they could push everything further away and redevelop it but um yeah

927
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,000
 basically we just want to make sure that there's this rezoning doesn't create a

928
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:59,320
 non-conforming use for the travel stop you know if it goes to HC perfect if the

929
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:03,720
 travel plaza is added to geo that's fine as long as the use is allowed for the

930
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,440
 travel plaza and when they get to that point they need to redevelop and it's

931
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:12,760
 allowed that's all we're looking for perfect so well thanks for being here

932
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:17,840
 from Florida thank you sir Smith nature question the see have you looked deep

933
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:23,720
 into the allowed uses in HC yes well not not an HC in the geo I did okay I'd ask

934
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,960
 you if you can what we heard other public information if you could just

935
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,800
 look into it make sure if you have that Jerry be more willing to provide it I

936
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,920
 know travel plaza is allowed in they know sure of course I just want to make

937
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,480
 sure there's nothing is representing loves truck stop you got land that's not

938
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:42,320
 developed yet right make sure that you're okay with HC if there was a vote

939
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,840
 for that okay make sure that there's no other uses on there say hey we we as

940
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,320
 owners of this property it's not developed yet even though you have the

941
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:54,280
 right the intent to because of the right-of-way of the i-35 expansion want

942
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,440
 to make sure that you're okay with it being an HC and not come back well yeah

943
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:01,000
 the truck stuff was allowed there there's awesome other uses allowed there

944
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,980
 now and this isn't what we wanted all right kind of thing so thanks okay thank

945
01:32:05,980 --> 01:32:14,480
 you no other questions the next card I have is for Jacqueline Banfield oh wrong

946
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:17,760
 item sorry about that is there anyone else

947
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:28,280
 wanting to speak on item G area 30 see none I will close the public hearing for

948
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:39,760
 this item in terms of days for discussion or motion kisser Smith I just

949
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:46,920
 want to I just want to clarify that pulling this two parcels out and adding

950
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:54,560
 HC would not be what we should do because again the remaining area here is

951
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,320
 already geo what staff would recommend if that was where the direction was going

952
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,600
 before it the motion I wanted to make sure that was clear if this if that was

953
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,560
 where you all wanted to go we would prefer that we just take this back and

954
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:13,760
 then come back come back with this whole area all HC again if that was the

955
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,560
 direction that you were going to because then that would leave the whole loves

956
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:24,680
 travel stop Plaza as HC versus having these two HC in the remaining area

957
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,040
 yeah you actually the words right out of my mouth I was gonna be clarification on

958
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,600
 that area that because this gentleman was talking about it I was realizing that

959
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,760
 that section that loves truck stops it's on now is not in that black area so if

960
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:40,480
 we had voted to make this all HC there'd be HC all behind that geo there so I'm

961
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,600
 gonna make a motion to table this discussion till date date certain which

962
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,800
 is the next special called meeting or do you want to make a date indefinite we

963
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:55,040
 don't have you can you can be indefinite we'll repost it okay I'll make a motion

964
01:33:55,040 --> 01:34:02,000
 to table table the discussion to date indefinite we have a first for a

965
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:09,840
 tabling to a date uncertain kisser Sanchez I second the motion so we have

966
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,400
 a first and second commissioner Ellis yeah I guess this is just for staff

967
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,840
 because it looks like we're gonna end up postponing this but it's possible that

968
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:24,960
 area 30 I think just needs to be redrawn it's possible that maybe not the entire

969
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,480
 thing as it's drawn now needs to be HC maybe that needs to be divided to where

970
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:34,640
 the front parcel needs to go a little more north and towards 35 is HC but

971
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:40,120
 maybe that the western part still makes sense as geo I'm so it definitely needs

972
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:45,680
 discussion in a redraw I think of the area for sure would be my opinion

973
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,920
 Michelle's I completely agree with you the the part on the west side seems

974
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:56,560
 thousands of feet away thousand feet away from I-35 that that's a far way for

975
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:03,520
 HC to move back West so I think I'm inclined to keep HC tight against the

976
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:08,320
 highway corridor so I would like to see the discussion around maybe even the

977
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,680
 south part because that's a big track look differently at that but the

978
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:19,440
 certainly the smaller tracks that a but I-35 even the two south of the loves

979
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:22,840
 property those that kind of row right there before he gets a the crumb

980
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,360
 highway maybe that would be HC and the rest be something different because I

981
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:32,520
 think HC the intent doesn't go all the way back into rural land so I concur

982
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,400
 with with I believe what you were suggesting as well

983
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,680
 Commissioner Sanchez yeah I have the same same feeling you we've been talking

984
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:45,040
 about the highway corridor and what we what's going to be along that highway

985
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:49,160
 corridor and therefore I think we need to expand that you don't have to expand

986
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:55,400
 it all the way West but always realizing that what's going to be built along 35 I

987
01:35:55,400 --> 01:36:01,480
 think we anything we need to consider that any anything along 35 we have to

988
01:36:01,480 --> 01:36:07,400
 keep it as highway corridor Mr. Beck thank you chair Ron let me ask you

989
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,400
 something else again just clarification on that parcel on the north side of bar

990
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:19,080
 told it already is geo cracked so you're saying we can't change that not not

991
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,800
 tonight not tonight okay but we can consider that part of that at least to

992
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:28,240
 that corner that intersection correct there's some commercial development

993
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:32,840
 already there and not a wash I just checked in geo does permitted but we

994
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:38,640
 will look at that auto wash so okay so that's something we can look at too so

995
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:43,360
 that truck wash it wouldn't make any difference with the truck wash but just

996
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:49,040
 for the sake of that area that small area we could convert part of that

997
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:54,400
 geo into highway corridor to to accommodate we will look into that and

998
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:58,320
 bring that back as part of that new drawing and then you propose all right

999
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,760
 thanks

1000
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:07,280
 Mr. Smith for clarification would you be open to a friendly amendment to have the

1001
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:13,680
 motion be read as postponed indefinitely yeah I accept that okay and

1002
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,360
 Mr. Sanchez are you okay with the amendment yes I do okay so we have a

1003
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:21,120
 first and a second to postpone indefinitely see no other discussion I'll

1004
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,920
 call for vote on the board

1005
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:42,200
 motion carries 7-0 the next item will be item 2 in area 37 and I will once again

1006
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:48,640
 invite Ron for a presentation and open the public hearing thank you chair

1007
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:54,880
 members of Commission this area 37 is located south of loop 288 and just east

1008
01:37:54,880 --> 01:38:00,640
 of Locust Street the area outlining yellow comprises approximately 58 point

1009
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:05,360
 six seven acres existing uses as you can see from the aerial is primarily

1010
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,200
 undeveloped or general agriculture now there is a church on the south side

1011
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:17,040
 along Hercules Lane and that is the Asbury United Methodist Church staff is

1012
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,280
 proposing a suburban quarter zoning district for this quadrant or the

1013
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:28,240
 southeast quadrant of loop 288 and Locust Street the area in black is what

1014
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:35,040
 we're referring to the area that's in the hard corner is currently SC SC

1015
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:40,720
 permits more commercial uses as opposed to obviously what is there today today

1016
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:51,520
 there is a split zoning of the parcel it is SC r6 and r3 we are also staff is

1017
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:56,160
 also recommending approval our suburban quarter for the property to the south

1018
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:02,880
 these two parcels here we did receive after a neighborhood meeting with the

1019
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:08,120
 neighborhood on yesterday actually from the property owners of the Asbury church

1020
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:14,520
 that their preference or their request is that they not be included with the

1021
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:21,800
 SC consideration and again that is the property that's outlined in red we did

1022
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:26,960
 receive six responses in opposition one was from the church the remaining five

1023
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:35,360
 came from the neighborhood to the south and to the east this hill this here

1024
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:39,680
 illustrates a little bit of our understanding of the area what which was

1025
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:44,520
 presented and provided to us by our by the property owner who is requesting the

1026
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:48,920
 suburban corridor we understand that there is an electrical easement that

1027
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:54,320
 runs along the southern portion of their property I believe it's 75 feet wide

1028
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:00,040
 here and then 105 along the eastern side of their property also on their property

1029
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:06,640
 is a floodplain zone X that runs north to south or south north in this general

1030
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:15,800
 area as shown on this illustration with that I will stand for questions thank

1031
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,400
 you wrong I don't have any questions at this time we do have some individuals

1032
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,360
 who fill that card so this is a public hearing anyone wishing to speak may

1033
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:29,080
 certainly do so the first card I have is for Jacqueline Banfield

1034
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:48,680
 my name is Jacqueline Banfield I live at 305 Meadow Lane my garage backs up to

1035
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:58,480
 Hercules there is no buffer there are 15 or 16 other garages along that backside

1036
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:08,080
 that are without a buffer as well I have had theft from my driveway and a couple

1037
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:13,160
 of other people in the areas have had theft from locked cars that were parked

1038
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:19,840
 in their driveways I am really concerned about safety and security I am a single

1039
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:26,200
 person I have locks on my gates but if more people and more traffic comes

1040
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:32,280
 through there it does not make me very comfortable thank you appreciate to be

1041
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:39,640
 in here thank you there's no other cards of individuals wishing to speak I have

1042
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:43,240
 some comment cards that I'll read into the record but as a public hearing if

1043
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:48,120
 you're wishing to speak you may certainly do so yes sir

1044
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:56,520
 okay Mr. Smith sorry chair sorry sir I wasn't actually asked miss Banfield

1045
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:02,840
 anything Ron can I ask you a question I couldn't switch back to the touchscreen

1046
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:07,400
 in time before you chair moved on from questions he gave me about half a second

1047
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:14,400
 to do it the the request to make this an SC rather than making it a higher

1048
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,840
 density like an r4 or something like that I know I know there's already a

1049
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,960
 small section that's SC and that's why it's making it more conforming and

1050
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:25,400
 getting rid of the split zoning here why not make it more compatible to the rest

1051
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:29,240
 of the area being single-family residential why why only leaving uses of

1052
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:36,040
 multifamily there one of the one is the is it because of the I'm sorry that

1053
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,440
 finished question is it because of the floodplain in the middle making it

1054
01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:42,520
 pretty hard to make this a develop area if it was no I think I think I mean the

1055
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,680
 following can be dealt with during the site plan process one is the applicant

1056
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:57,000
 requested an SC that's one and two looking at the just real quick here

1057
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,680
 looking at the future land use map shown here it shows it as community mix use

1058
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:10,120
 again that's just again our plan for the area it is an eye it is along Locust

1059
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:16,800
 Street and loop 288 and therefore this area is in need of commercial now there

1060
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:23,200
 are commercial zoning student north which is also SC there is commercial to

1061
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:27,920
 the northwest as part of the hills of Den there is commercial as part of the

1062
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:33,080
 plan development to the west so this just lends itself more to a commercial

1063
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:38,680
 hub or node to what extent that is something that we need to decide on

1064
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,880
 however this being one lot it makes it difficult to carve it out and that's one

1065
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:48,920
 reason why we're also here is because we want to identify this as a zoning that

1066
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:54,920
 has only one per parcel another factor in our decision to go to SC thanks

1067
01:43:54,920 --> 01:44:02,760
 Commissioner Sanchez when you have a suburban corridor you're in here

1068
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,200
 classifying that because of 288 primarily right and then Locust is a

1069
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:13,320
 primary artillery as arterial as well but there's a big difference between

1070
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:21,280
 Locust and 288 as far as traffic right I would think so my question is you've got

1071
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:28,720
 a pretty good that creek that cuts that that picture yeah right there that that

1072
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:32,840
 floodplain right there makes a pretty good distinction between the north side

1073
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:40,240
 and the south side and to me when we're talking about corridors or you know like

1074
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:45,360
 the highway corridor or suburban corridor we're primarily concentrating on

1075
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:50,480
 the front edge of those corridors so why we expanding it all the way to the back

1076
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:55,280
 makes me wonder because there is a lot along Locust there is a lot of also

1077
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:01,640
 residential I you know so I don't understand why I just want to make that

1078
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:07,720
 that you do have a natural cut in that in that lot because of the what what

1079
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:12,720
 that floodplain does as you know Commissioner Sanchez for clarifying as

1080
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,600
 it runs in this vicinity here or direction here is that what you're

1081
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:22,320
 referring to either way but I mean you can use a bottom map or you can use the

1082
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,600
 top finger but there is going to be something that you're not going to be

1083
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,200
 able to build on if you look at the top part you're going to be able to build to

1084
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:35,680
 the east and probably a little bit to the west and then to the south because

1085
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,920
 you're not going to be able to build into that into that I don't think you're

1086
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:46,000
 going to be able to build into that into that floodplain right so the areas that

1087
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:50,560
 you know are not encumbered by floodplain over easements would be the

1088
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,760
 area that potentially could be developed you know we're we're not looking at the

1089
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:58,760
 site I mean obviously the site is important but the zoning the uses I

1090
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:03,360
 think is important to to also consider right and that's why I'm saying yeah you

1091
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,240
 have to look at the whole big picture of the lot not just say okay we're going to

1092
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:11,400
 we have this big square but you also have to look at the topography in the

1093
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:17,800
 natural barriers that are in that in that block and say okay they're not

1094
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:22,840
 there's going to be a stop right there that creeks going to put that floodplain

1095
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:29,960
 is going to stop quite a bit of but what do you call it development so it's a

1096
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,280
 barrier and I think you have to look at the big picture not just say okay we've

1097
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:37,600
 got a big block and this is what we want to do we also have to consider that 288

1098
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:44,600
 is is a corridor not not anything on the south side we have Locus but Locus is

1099
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:48,520
 not the same I don't consider it the same type of corridor that I would

1100
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:56,400
 consider 288 right yes right now yes no certainly the classification of Locus is

1101
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:01,840
 to be a arterial a primary arterial in the future and that's obviously not

1102
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:08,720
 today but that would be something in the future now also as I mentioned it yeah

1103
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:13,760
 that your your the area to the north sees a lot of there's more commercial

1104
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,160
 already identified as part of the future lane use designation and it's currently

1105
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:23,520
 zoned suburban corridor also to the east I'm sorry to the west it's already

1106
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:28,680
 commercial not as big as the area that you're talking about but this area is

1107
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:34,680
 one parcel and we have to identify he's only for that one parcel

1108
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:48,560
 Christopher Beck thank you chair okay and so for Commissioner Sanchez

1109
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:54,000
 clarification this the owner of this property is asking for a suburban

1110
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:59,440
 corridor so it is his property and he's asking for something that evidently he

1111
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:07,560
 has plans to develop within those they they they are here present and then we

1112
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:12,120
 can ask him ask them for the clarification okay and as I said earlier

1113
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:16,280
 they did request suburban quarter we looked at what we have as far as a

1114
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,880
 future lane use and the surrounding area we did use as I mentioned earlier the

1115
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:27,920
 corridors again locus in either loop 288 which meant it fit the criteria right

1116
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:34,280
 bringing it forward certainly we can hear more on what the owners have plans

1117
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:39,840
 and okay and I would like to do and I don't I agree that this is an area that

1118
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:45,400
 is going to be developed is primary corridors where commercial development

1119
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:53,720
 would be needed that whole north part of Denton is just void right now and this

1120
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:57,160
 would be a good area to develop some commercial enterprises to feed the

1121
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,520
 residential those in the area let me answer this is the anybody from the

1122
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:06,560
 Asbury church here tonight that can explain why they want to stay with an

1123
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:11,680
 R2 no I reached out to them and I did ask for them to attend again the reason

1124
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:16,560
 I stated at the work session is that they didn't see any advantage for them

1125
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,280
 to go to SC and would prefer to remain well I wish I wish they were here just

1126
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:26,600
 for the record because I don't see any disadvantage being an SC looking at it

1127
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:32,040
 religious assemblies are allowed in all the residential areas in the SC so if

1128
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,440
 they're thinking of expanding I don't think there'd be any restriction with

1129
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:40,000
 this I think one of their concerns that I expressed to me was the rise in

1130
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,320
 property taxes but as a as a church nonprofit I would assume that their

1131
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:50,720
 property taxes are exempt but again I'm not an expert in that and all I can say

1132
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:57,080
 is that's one of the concerns that they had okay raised okay yeah if the owner

1133
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:00,720
 of that property share I'd definitely like him to come forward and ask me a few

1134
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:10,000
 questions yeah I appreciate that sir you've been waiting you're more than welcome to see

1135
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,480
 this time if you just state your name and address for the record okay my name

1136
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:19,760
 is Philip Alino my address is 121 Meadow Lane it out the garage faces across to

1137
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:26,560
 the Asbury Church I guess my big concerns initially were how this would

1138
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:32,320
 affect traffic on Locust you know as I think some of you have pointed out

1139
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:39,080
 Locust is a two-lane really not much more than a country road not much

1140
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:49,360
 shoulder no sidewalks you know on the west side of Locust currently there's I

1141
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,640
 think about 150 homes and construction that are going to have cars emptying out

1142
01:50:54,640 --> 01:51:01,320
 on the Locust and so traffic is getting further pushed up so the you know the

1143
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:05,880
 effect that this would have on traffic on Locust is one concern and from the

1144
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:10,080
 map and looking at the floodplain it looks like the staff analysis had

1145
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,760
 suggested that there might be an entry from Hercules but I don't think given

1146
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:21,800
 the wishes of the church or the floodplain that that would necessarily

1147
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:31,760
 be likely my last concern having seen the presentation is where the location

1148
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:37,760
 of the floodplain is I hadn't been aware of that I think one thing to consider is

1149
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:45,640
 that okay great thank you okay yeah so you know if we might expect that a lot

1150
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:50,480
 of the development would go on in this area I think it's probably at least

1151
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:57,600
 plausible that much of this area would become paved over and so how that would

1152
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:04,320
 affect runoff into the floodplain and any consequence that would have on

1153
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:10,880
 increased runoff into the east side of this neighborhood I don't know whether

1154
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:16,800
 that's something that's been considered or has been taken into account it hasn't

1155
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,620
 given considered at this stage that's when engineering comes in at the

1156
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:24,600
 platting stage site plan that we would actually look to see what's being

1157
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,720
 constructed what's the the output of drainage and how that's being detained

1158
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:32,600
 but it's not being considered at this point just the zoning like what the

1159
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:37,620
 future planning of the area would be okay so I mean basically my concerns are

1160
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:42,640
 that you know for this to go forward I think start moving toward development of

1161
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:46,840
 retail in this area and then you know unless these other issues got concern

1162
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:54,120
 got considered in advance that you know could find yourself in a situation where

1163
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,120
 okay well we've pushed it already down far enough down the road that we're not

1164
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:01,760
 going back and well gee we'll just deal with with these things on an ad hoc

1165
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:08,120
 basis all right well thank you thank you

1166
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:15,360
 this is a public hearing anyone wish to speak may certainly do so sir are you

1167
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:21,440
 wishing to speak if you just state your name and address of the record my name is

1168
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:27,040
 Vince Hasler my address is 4946 North Locust Street and I'm speaking on behalf

1169
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:34,520
 of the owners of the tract I guess number 37 I guess bordered by Locust

1170
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:42,760
 loop 288 town north and then where it stops for the Asbury property the

1171
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:46,880
 owners are my father Belvin Hasler my uncle JB Hasler and my aunt Marianne

1172
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:53,000
 McCutcheon the proposed zoning for inspiration corridor we are strongly in

1173
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:58,000
 favor of we think that does meet the highest and best use for the property

1174
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:04,160
 the North Denton is growing and it's currently vastly underserved by you know

1175
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:11,840
 businesses that would that would serve the future growth as far as the property

1176
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:18,080
 due to the floodplain issue the electric power line that runs along the east and

1177
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:23,960
 south side of the property and the easement with it that really carves up

1178
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:29,200
 carves up the lot and especially with the commercial along the frontage on

1179
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:34,480
 Locust there's really very little usable space left there for residential

1180
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:41,480
 especially when you consider long-term loop 288 been expanded and stands to

1181
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:45,200
 reason that Locust Street will be expanded in the future as well which

1182
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:50,580
 really further reduces the size of that lot for you know any type of a sizable

1183
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:57,560
 sizable residential we're in favor of the entire our part of the entire

1184
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:03,720
 tract being zoned suburban corridor thank you thank you thank you thank you

1185
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:10,840
 chance being sensitive to our concerns absolutely thank you this is a public

1186
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:14,480
 hearing anyone wishing to speak may certainly do so I have some cards that

1187
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:20,740
 I'll read is the record the first one is Mary McCutcheon she's at 1217

1188
01:55:20,740 --> 01:55:25,160
 Greenbrier Street her comment says this property has the potential for providing

1189
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:28,440
 convenient services for people who reside in the neighborhood the existing

1190
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:33,160
 features of a high-voltage electric power line and two side on two sides and

1191
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:37,120
 high-traffic corridors on the other two sides make it undesirable for residential

1192
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:47,760
 development she is in support next card I have is for Melvin Heisler he is in

1193
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,600
 support and says I agree that the zoning of SC allows for the best use of this

1194
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:59,280
 property then lastly we had JB Heisler jr. at 1200 Crowling Road is in support

1195
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:03,760
 and the card says the undesirable features of this property make it less

1196
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:10,720
 conducive for residential development SC is more appropriate those are the only

1197
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:15,320
 cards I have on this item it is public anyone wishing to speak may certainly do

1198
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:23,800
 so seeing none I will close public hearing and turn the days for a motion

1199
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:30,760
 or discussion Ron can I choose a quick question as commission's talking can you

1200
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:37,240
 go back to just where it had the R2 R3 R6 there you go what is the actual

1201
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:41,800
 property lines there's the SC is a wholly different platted property that's

1202
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:47,120
 not included here the church is a property and then the other my my

1203
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:56,360
 understanding the property lines line is literally all of this area here and the

1204
01:56:56,360 --> 01:57:01,680
 zoning was a result of a plan development and does not follow parcel

1205
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:09,400
 line or property line it just was put on a map so the property has correct is all

1206
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:15,440
 of the area locus to loop 288 this boundary over here and then the property

1207
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:20,080
 to the south is the boundary line for that parcel and the reason the SC isn't

1208
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:24,520
 included is because it's already SC and the request is to move to SC correct if

1209
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:31,640
 we don't move it to SC is it still going to be a split zone case then correct it

1210
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:37,320
 will be a split zone parcel okay and would that go back to city reach

1211
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:42,800
 initiated rezoning on the next cycle to fix that split zoning would we know

1212
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:48,240
 because that this is unless there's a different proposal you would not this is

1213
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:53,360
 what is being brought forward today so potentially if we say hypothetically I'm

1214
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:57,360
 not making many kind of assumptions here but say it's MN and we move this all to

1215
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:02,640
 MN we're gonna have a split zone case where the northwest will be SC and the

1216
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,560
 rest will be in him and there won't be any more proactive measures from the

1217
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:10,320
 city to correct that issue am I understanding that correctly that's the

1218
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:14,480
 yeah that's what happens from here to see council then there would not be any

1219
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:19,700
 further action from their point on so so the quick answer is there would be no

1220
01:58:19,700 --> 01:58:25,000
 further I got you a proposal I understand coaster Smith I understand

1221
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:30,600
 the flume makes it makes it to where this community makes use I just think

1222
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:34,040
 that SC in the way that the codes written which is written great by the

1223
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:39,520
 way but just the way the codes written that if we prove this SC we're gonna

1224
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:46,600
 allow for bars bars and restaurants auto washes all by right all right nestled

1225
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:51,160
 around nothing but single-family and multifamily with almost no other

1226
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:55,600
 commercial use around it I know we can look across 288 and see commercial use

1227
01:58:55,600 --> 01:59:01,600
 we can look you know caddy corner 288 and locus and see commercial use in

1228
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,040
 reality 288 creates a big enough of a buffer that it's it's almost a totally

1229
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:10,240
 different world south of 288 than it is north of 288 so I get I'm hesitant to

1230
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,640
 make a motion to approve this purely because of the things were allowed by

1231
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,560
 right in there that it could be detrimental to the area I guess they

1232
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:20,960
 could be used by the folks in the area but there could be ultimately detrimental

1233
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:25,920
 hotels motel is also accepted with an SC that by right so a little a little

1234
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:31,300
 worrisome so small the comments that Commission Commissioner pernetta and I'm

1235
01:59:31,300 --> 01:59:35,920
 inclined to agree so just real quickly that little section along the bottom

1236
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,320
 that kind of rhombus or whatever it is that that's the church right and that's

1237
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:44,120
 that's separately but correct this line right here delineates what's owned by

1238
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:48,620
 the church and what's owned by the hislers so inside of that where we have

1239
01:59:48,620 --> 01:59:54,400
 the pink SC the R6 you know and the R2 and the R3 it with the exception of the

1240
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:58,520
 church everything else has a single owner right correct everything north of

1241
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:05,440
 this line Commissioner pernetta okay and the main reason we're and I hate to sound

1242
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:10,120
 you know dismissive of it but the main reason that we're going to an SC for the

1243
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:14,400
 whole thing is simply for the purpose of not having a split zoning on a single

1244
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:18,480
 property is that correct that's that's one of the factors the first of course

1245
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:22,680
 is the request to go to SC the future land use and then of course looking at

1246
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:26,440
 this as one parcel right where do we where do we draw the line and we don't

1247
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:33,920
 have a line to draw on there it's not subdivided it's one parcel okay and

1248
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:40,160
 similar to what Commissioner Smith said you know the idea of making the whole

1249
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:44,800
 thing at SC just kind of seems like overkill because that is residential

1250
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:50,960
 there we've gotten a few objections I guess from people along the south it

1251
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:55,240
 doesn't look like if we make everything SC then we actually have a transition

1252
02:00:55,240 --> 02:01:01,560
 between that and the residential and if we were to expand all that to where it

1253
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:06,960
 is SC and in theory put businesses and everything that strip of Hercules looks

1254
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:11,560
 awful small and I've driven down that it's like it like just too late right

1255
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:15,800
 there it doesn't look like it would support that kind of development there I

1256
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:21,200
 in this kind of situation we have that floodplain and it's almost like nature

1257
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:26,000
 has kind of created a natural dividing mark I would be more inclined to say you

1258
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:32,720
 know SC along the top you know right against 288 and then I actually kind of

1259
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:36,840
 like the zoning the way it is with the exception of maybe putting SC along the

1260
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:41,920
 top there it seems like how it is right now it makes more sense for the for the

1261
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:48,640
 surrounding areas that's all

1262
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:53,400
 Kister Sanchez this one moment I think Richard's gonna add some context to the

1263
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:58,000
 analysis I just wanted to also as Ron mentioned I think it's important to note

1264
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:03,160
 that that that easement on the eastern property line is is about a hundred I

1265
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:08,920
 think it's a hundred foot easement on to on to the property in question and so

1266
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:15,320
 it's approximately 150 feet I think from the back of the properties to the to the

1267
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:20,240
 east so there's a pretty pretty good distance that really will not be able to

1268
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:25,720
 be developed as a result of those those those power lines in addition I think

1269
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:30,600
 it's important to note as we continue to even have development just to the north

1270
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:35,800
 where long road will eventually tie right in here to locust locust is it will

1271
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:42,480
 be a hundred hundred and twenty or 135 foot wide arterial and so looking at

1272
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:47,160
 this long term there's there's not much that could be left to do with this

1273
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:52,880
 parcel given its sandwich between a major arterial and a highway and and

1274
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:58,440
 really looking at do we want to have residential that close to a freeway and

1275
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:09,600
 and that large of an arterial Kister Sanchez yeah we're looking at you know

1276
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:14,040
 part of our job is to look long-term and I understand that we have that on the

1277
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:20,940
 east side that electric corridor and then we also locus is going to be in

1278
02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:25,120
 large but we also have to consider the neighborhood on this on the south which

1279
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:32,680
 is on on Hercules I just like I said earlier I don't have any problem

1280
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:39,080
 developing the north side or everything looking at that picture everything north

1281
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:43,040
 of the creek or a floodplain whatever you want to call it but I do have a

1282
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:50,040
 problem making it considering it suburban corridor all the way down I

1283
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,860
 really that's a real issue for me because you have Hercules and Hercules

1284
02:03:53,860 --> 02:04:00,760
 is not a big it's not a big corridor it's just a neighborhood road right and

1285
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:06,440
 and that that's a good point and as stated earlier the the church was not in

1286
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:13,280
 favor of that going so again that is an option as the chair mentioned there's

1287
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:17,920
 our there are options to this consideration you can consider the whole

1288
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:23,160
 area that's outlined in black you can consider everything minus the red or

1289
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:29,560
 you can do other consideration potentially even postpone it that is up

1290
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:35,280
 to the Commission Michelle's thank you chair yeah I'll just add a couple of

1291
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:39,240
 thoughts I'm certainly in favor of pulling the church out of there if they

1292
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:45,000
 choose not to be considered in this I don't think residential designation is

1293
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:49,680
 proper for this it's not going to develop as residential but my concern is

1294
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:52,640
 SC doesn't offer maybe enough neighborhood protection for what's

1295
02:04:52,640 --> 02:05:01,040
 already out around it not that I am a fan of split zoning a parcel at all I'm

1296
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:06,280
 not sure why we have a sliver of it already SC so I def I do have some

1297
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:12,640
 concerns making it SC because of the neighborhoods that are already in place

1298
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:20,080
 so I am struggling with that a little bit Ron I have a quick question for you

1299
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:28,080
 earlier we saw property down on is it Colorado right by the mall what is that

1300
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:36,400
 that's not Colorado there we used SC as a buffer between the mall and that

1301
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:42,120
 residential right that's the idea of SC is SC generally one of the options in

1302
02:05:42,120 --> 02:05:49,280
 providing buffers are transitioned for the city one one of MN would be another

1303
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:54,840
 one as another you know buffer but because of the existing conditions on

1304
02:05:54,840 --> 02:06:00,880
 sentence into as far as those uses SC was chosen because they the uses there

1305
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:06,600
 were more suitable under SC and certainly SC or MN would be those two

1306
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:13,440
 that I would you know refer to as those transition buildings so with that I

1307
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:22,360
 would move that we approve the owners property to SC but removing the church

1308
02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:28,720
 property out of this parcel leave the church parcel as is and the northern

1309
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:35,920
 portion of the property move it to an SC zoning Christian Cole we have a first

1310
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:41,320
 second second for approval of pulling out the resident the church property on

1311
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:50,360
 the south Christian Beck a chair Ron is again I'm trying to recall the mobility

1312
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:58,880
 plan Hercules just to the east of that property is a split two-lane road right

1313
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:04,520
 I believe the mobility plan shows it as a collector okay is it is that not going

1314
02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:09,640
 to extend that part of Hercules not going to extend the same right away with

1315
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:14,640
 all the way to the locust eventually and even go across in Hercules being taken

1316
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:18,320
 all the way it is my understanding it will extend full okay so it won't stay

1317
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:23,440
 like that now so we have no idea when that's gonna know okay but that's

1318
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:30,600
 something to consider and maybe you can't answer this here but if we do make

1319
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:34,520
 this SC I know the concern is Commissioner Smith mentioned you know

1320
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:39,240
 bars and hotels but ideally you know you're gonna put those out on the

1321
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:44,360
 periphery not close up to the houses but is there a way when the developer comes

1322
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:55,160
 in and wants to develop this land that he can be guided in a way where

1323
02:07:55,160 --> 02:08:01,800
 multifamilies allowed here with an SUV where that would be appropriate on the

1324
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:06,000
 east side there and then you start to build the more commercial aspects of it

1325
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:11,760
 as you go out towards Locust and I think I mean we can certainly provide that

1326
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,760
 guidance but there's really nothing to hold them to that of course the market

1327
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:20,360
 will dictate a lot of it as well I mean to have commercial use for the back

1328
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:25,600
 would not be suitable right be primarily along Locust in I-30 I'm sorry I keep

1329
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:31,120
 saying I-35 loop 288 but that's something that would be dictated by the

1330
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:35,200
 market okay okay all right thank you

1331
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:39,720
 Christopher Neto yeah I just want to clarify the motion on the board so so

1332
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:44,360
 right now what we're looking at is pulling out only that little section not

1333
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:48,000
 not not the entire red but just the church on the lower side right no the

1334
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:52,720
 entire red the entire red right my thought would be I think the the

1335
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:58,400
 residents of that South property has the alleyway okay if we leave the church

1336
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:03,040
 triangle property the same we provide a buffer for those residents and hopefully

1337
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:08,640
 inclined traffic off Locust and 288 to access the SC leaving Hercules

1338
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:14,320
 theoretically you know guided for the church property right now okay I just

1339
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:17,160
 wanted to clarify because I guess I misunderstood earlier I thought the

1340
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:21,120
 church was only the black line within the red lines but if we're talking about

1341
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:26,920
 the whole red line they all two lots yeah I'm excluding that all right that's

1342
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:34,520
 good thank you Mr. Smith thank you chair pretty pretty torn on on this motion

1343
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:39,400
 just in general same same same things I mentioned earlier that feel like SC even

1344
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:43,440
 though it is a buffer zoning that it just it's inviting too much commercial I

1345
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:47,880
 think in this area and I'm saying that with we've having voted in the last year

1346
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:51,560
 on this Commission to approve residential developments in these areas

1347
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:57,440
 and commercial is needed I think I think just the fear of having some of the

1348
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:01,320
 commercial developments there being a little bit too close I don't think you

1349
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:05,880
 know 150 feet setback you do to the utility easement and everything else is

1350
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:11,360
 really gonna be enough in this instance but I am torn on it so I do want the

1351
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:18,240
 Commission to to consider that thank you Christian Ellis yeah and I'll just say a

1352
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:23,840
 couple more thoughts on that I'm just not comfortable with SC here and then I

1353
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:28,040
 would be on board with and I understand we'd have a split there but I'm gonna go

1354
02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:36,200
 ahead and oh no one thank you Michelle's any other discussion on the item seeing

1355
02:10:36,200 --> 02:10:39,600
 none we have a first and a second to move for approval minus the southern

1356
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:45,080
 property that's discussed I'll call for a vote on the board

1357
02:10:57,040 --> 02:11:04,920
 motion carries four three the next item of business is item two oh that's area

1358
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:13,600
 38 item 2o area 38 I'll invite Ron back up presentation and open the public

1359
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:29,080
 hearing okay the subject property is located along loop 288 generally along

1360
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:34,520
 Kings Row south of Kings Row I encompasses two parcels a one on the

1361
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:41,960
 west side of loop 288 and one to the north east property the properties are

1362
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:46,040
 currently undeveloped potentially uses general agriculture but mainly

1363
02:11:46,040 --> 02:11:51,520
 undeveloped the response that was received from the applicant or the

1364
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:57,040
 property owner is requesting that the one parcel identified here in red be

1365
02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:04,240
 left as MN or what is to transition to MN it is currently NRM you but is all

1366
02:12:04,240 --> 02:12:11,400
 but he is in favor of the western track here outlined in black to go forward as

1367
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:18,080
 SC again staff's recommendation is to go SC it is consistent with the

1368
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:22,120
 surrounding environment in fact the parcels to the south is currently zoned

1369
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:28,960
 SC for the transition chart and we were just extending that north along loop 288

1370
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:36,120
 which is a major corridor and in stopping at Kings Row that concludes my

1371
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:42,400
 presentation applicant earned property owner of both tracks is here and present

1372
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:48,240
 thank you Ron I don't see any questions for you I only have one card it's Vince

1373
02:12:48,240 --> 02:13:02,920
 Heisler hi perfect no worries I do not have any cards in this item now so it's

1374
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:07,800
 item - oh there's a public hearing anyone wishing to speak on this item they

1375
02:13:07,800 --> 02:13:12,720
 certainly do so yes sir

1376
02:13:12,720 --> 02:13:25,960
 Mr. Chairman members the Commission my name is Randall Smith 5428 Lake Victoria

1377
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:34,480
 Court and Flyer Mount 75022 property owner of these two properties and I

1378
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:42,520
 would prefer that the property on the southeast corner remain the MN so I

1379
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:47,320
 would be opposed to the zoning change to SC for that corner if they can't be

1380
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:54,800
 split I prefer that they both remain in them okay thank you any questions

1381
02:13:54,800 --> 02:14:02,000
 because jealous thank you chair mr. Smith can you tell me why well I've already

1382
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:05,720
 been through this with the city-wide rezoning you know three or four months

1383
02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:11,780
 ago and it was determined then that MN was the most appropriate zoning and in

1384
02:14:11,780 --> 02:14:15,680
 looking at the uses and the requirements and the setbacks and all that I just

1385
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:21,640
 feel that it's more appropriate for that track to be MN because I had I did have

1386
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:28,240
 a concern on your Western property as well being SC again because we have such

1387
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:33,240
 a densely populated area that MN seemed more appropriate for it so I was

1388
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:38,280
 wondering why you know what your reasoning was for MN on the east side

1389
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:42,640
 and not the west I'm happy with both of them staying in them okay appreciate

1390
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:52,680
 thanks thank you any other questions for I think you're good thank you this is a

1391
02:14:52,680 --> 02:15:00,800
 public hearing anyone wishing to speak may certainly do so on this item see

1392
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:04,560
 none I'll close the public hearing turn to the days for a discussion or motion

1393
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:12,880
 Commissioner Beck thank you chair I'm feeling along the lines that suburban

1394
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:16,680
 corridor may be a little excessive for this area because they do both these

1395
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:21,960
 areas back up to a residential area and I'm thinking agreement with the

1396
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:26,240
 Commissioner Ellis that MN on both sides would probably be more preferable for

1397
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:30,960
 these two just by virtue of their location to single-family residential

1398
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:38,700
 neighborhood thank you Commissioner Ellis actually thank you chair Ron can I ask

1399
02:15:38,700 --> 02:15:50,080
 you a question so the property directly south of the Western parcel well but

1400
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:55,640
 further west so that yeah that's an residential district is it not I believe

1401
02:15:55,640 --> 02:16:01,600
 it's R4 looking at the chart yes okay anything happening on that right now not

1402
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:07,160
 that I know of now okay thanks

1403
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:16,800
 any other discussion on the item or a motion

1404
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:30,640
 Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I'm gonna make a motion to zone area 38 MN

1405
02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:37,720
 and just to clarify the east and west properties both to MN correct and Ron

1406
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:46,000
 chair Commissioner Ellis the parcels the two parcels as effective October 1st it

1407
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:51,240
 will transition to MN it's currently NRM you which transitions to MN so if the

1408
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:57,240
 preference or the motion is to remain MN my understanding with then it'd be just

1409
02:16:57,240 --> 02:17:02,920
 to recommend denial would you like to amend your motion my motion to recommend

1410
02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:10,120
 denial of changing this area to SC great we have a first for a denial of the

1411
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:17,240
 motion to approve SC Christian Smith so I get we have a first and a second motion

1412
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:23,360
 to deny I don't see any discussion just to clarify a motion and vote yes the

1413
02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:30,760
 green button is to deny and this will remain MN so it's a opposite vote with

1414
02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:33,720
 that I'll call for a vote on the board

1415
02:17:40,120 --> 02:17:48,880
 the motion carries 7-0 the next item for business is item 2 q it's area 40 I'll

1416
02:17:48,880 --> 02:17:58,200
 invite Ron back up for presentation and open the public hearing yes the area

1417
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:05,440
 area 40 is located between loop 288 and Mayhill Road it is bisected by Russell

1418
02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:12,020
 Newman through the middle of the project or of this area the area is currently as

1419
02:18:12,020 --> 02:18:16,720
 transition will be transitioned to Li light industrial staff is proposing a

1420
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:23,400
 geo general office zoning as it fits again with the land use element it is

1421
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:28,680
 comprised of larger tracks there are some undeveloped properties within this

1422
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:35,760
 area there are currently existing uses looking at what is existing most of the

1423
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:41,360
 uses would be permitted under the geo now there is one use that would not be

1424
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:47,700
 and and that is a major automotive repair shop that requires a specific use

1425
02:18:47,700 --> 02:18:56,480
 permit under the geo so that would be just the one use and the property owner

1426
02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:03,520
 of the areas outlining red here did submit an opposition form in opposition

1427
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:11,320
 to the rezoning to geo and would like it to remain Li light industrial and let me

1428
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:24,040
 pull up exhibit that shows that area a little bit more closer so there are

1429
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:30,360
 approximately nine parcels that then market Street property LLC owns which the

1430
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:36,280
 property owner represents or owns and they are shown here outline in red and

1431
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:42,920
 again the area outline red is owned by property owner that does not want to be

1432
02:19:42,920 --> 02:19:49,360
 part of this zoning to a geo if not included it would remain Li light

1433
02:19:49,360 --> 02:20:05,560
 industrial Ron is there any other Li in the area or what's the closest Li it

1434
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:10,840
 looks like it might be on an island in there but there is let me show you real

1435
02:20:10,840 --> 02:20:24,640
 quick in part of the other consideration that we did earlier you've got public

1436
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:33,480
 facilities are for I believe yes are for this is ETJ that's our our rural

1437
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:42,320
 residential suburban quarter to the south this area here was Li or is Li

1438
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:48,080
 pending City Council is recommended for SC the area further south you've got

1439
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:54,480
 public facilities primarily because it's owned by the city you've got area 42

1440
02:20:54,480 --> 02:21:03,360
 which is currently Li recommended to go to geo so looking at the area there's

1441
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:09,440
 no Li for the most part you have got suburban corridor and a mix of other

1442
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:18,080
 zoning districts thank you I question back is the owner here

1443
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:25,320
 of this property I do not think so I've spoken to the gentleman some for some

1444
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:30,680
 time and as well as other staff members and again his reason I think maybe

1445
02:21:30,680 --> 02:21:35,720
 that's where you're going is he wants to keep his ability to develop under the Li

1446
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:39,560
 and whatever uses that are permitted okay I'm sitting here looking at the two

1447
02:21:39,560 --> 02:21:42,400
 and there's not a whole lot of difference between the two so that's why

1448
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:48,400
 it'd be nice if you I believe you mentioned building materials and supply

1449
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:53,120
 store as one that is not permitted in the geo but it is permitted in the Li and

1450
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:59,600
 I think that's the only one that I could find as well very very similar but more

1451
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:05,560
 towards office and that type of development okay and that is a small

1452
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:14,440
 relatively smaller compared to all the other between areas 1443 a lot of geo so

1453
02:22:14,440 --> 02:22:19,280
 would it be that far out of place to leave it Li would it be that disruptive

1454
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:31,400
 in your opinion staff's recommendation it go to geo thanks Ron thanks Ron this

1455
02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:34,880
 is a public hearing anyone wish to speak may certainly do so I do have a card for

1456
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:42,680
 individual wanting to speak Eric Torres and if you could just speak your name an

1457
02:22:42,680 --> 02:22:46,480
 address for the record you have four minutes to speak names Eric Torres and

1458
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:53,480
 the address is 1050 North May Hill Road the property we're talking about here is

1459
02:22:53,480 --> 02:22:59,680
 that the property now I understand that this right here wants to be done you

1460
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:05,320
 know for commercial the situation I'm running I'm looking at right now is that

1461
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:11,040
 with that being made into commercial they're going to benefit from you know

1462
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:17,520
 city water city sewage all those things that all these properties here aren't

1463
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:23,840
 receiving okay so I mean my thing is we're looking across the street here to

1464
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:27,000
 something that's going to be zoned for commercial and they're going to be able

1465
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:30,160
 to take benefits from the city that we're not able to have benefits that

1466
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:34,760
 we're not getting those benefits right now we weren't opposed to you know May

1467
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:39,860
 Hill at the expansion on May Hill because it needed to be done with all

1468
02:23:39,860 --> 02:23:46,360
 the traffic we were getting like said our house right on the road so my our

1469
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:50,480
 main concern right now is like said that there's accesses you know ever since

1470
02:23:50,480 --> 02:23:54,840
 they started working on this project and really it's been two months now that

1471
02:23:54,840 --> 02:24:00,880
 they're the projects in front of our home but they basically once they

1472
02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:06,840
 started working they have now we we have a community well with all these

1473
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:12,160
 properties that all these properties right here have a community well once

1474
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:16,040
 this project started and they started working in front of our house we no

1475
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:19,360
 longer have access to the community well because of the construction that they

1476
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:25,880
 have so my parents have now been going two months without water okay again

1477
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:31,200
 there is a hydrant less than a hundred yards away from this property that's

1478
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:37,520
 right about here that could give access to water to all these properties that

1479
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:42,960
 are right that are on that community well again my concern I I don't want to

1480
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:49,080
 be opposed of change and get didn't getting bigger but what I do have a

1481
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:52,880
 problem with is that you know all these people here are gonna are getting the

1482
02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:58,960
 benefits that we're not getting benefits of as it didn't resident so that's kind

1483
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:04,440
 of my concern with what's going on and what the you know what they're trying to

1484
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:09,720
 propose so that's just what I wanted to let y'all know appreciate you being here

1485
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:15,480
 can you verify that green is city right that's not ETJ mr. Torres property is in

1486
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:18,760
 the city limits that's correct mr. Torres and I spoke earlier this morning

1487
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:24,120
 and it was part of an annexation back in 2013 what information can we provide to

1488
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:27,360
 him and his family about getting city services I've already spoken to him and

1489
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:31,200
 he's already actually been more proactive than than where I was he's

1490
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:35,920
 already spoken to our director of utilities so I just advise him to present

1491
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:39,600
 it's talked more about it but he's already made contact with again director

1492
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,800
 of public utilities great

1493
02:25:58,360 --> 02:26:03,800
 just yeah stick to the stuff that step up to the mic please I'm sorry yeah the

1494
02:26:03,800 --> 02:26:09,640
 only reason we have water is because the neighbors behind us have a separate well

1495
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:15,960
 that they've been providing water to us while the city does what they need to do

1496
02:26:15,960 --> 02:26:20,920
 yeah I I certainly understand your desire and the urgency of it I just want

1497
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:24,720
 to make sure that you're being connected to the right people I don't think this

1498
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,160
 Christian has authority just to hook up a water line for you but if we have if

1499
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:32,280
 we have the ability to get you the right people and support your cause then I

1500
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:37,240
 don't I mean I think we're all for getting the water when I talk to it's

1501
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:46,000
 Frank Pugsley I mean he did so he he made a proposal to the city on what the

1502
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:52,440
 cost would be to get those those water lines the sewage lines that that there

1503
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:58,200
 and so a proposal was made that's that's all I've heard about it but he only told

1504
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:01,840
 me he's like he's trying to find money in the budget I mean that to me that's

1505
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:05,820
 money should have already been in the budget when they decided to make that

1506
02:27:05,820 --> 02:27:10,200
 expansion on that mayho project well what I can't say is this item doesn't

1507
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:14,520
 remain here it's gonna go to council so you're you will have an opportunity to

1508
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:19,280
 come in front of City Council who has some of the highest authority in the

1509
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:23,200
 city to advocate your case as well so I would think continue down the line with

1510
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:26,260
 the people you've been connected with this step one but you still have the

1511
02:27:26,260 --> 02:27:30,720
 ability to come back and advocate to the City Council about getting this this

1512
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:34,960
 situation taken care of I would highly encourage you to come back to council

1513
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:42,200
 when this gets here and so we can follow up with you on that Scott MacDonald did

1514
02:27:42,200 --> 02:27:51,200
 you have something to add perfect yeah I don't see any other cards on this item

1515
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:58,600
 is there anyone else wants you to speak on this public item seeing none I'll

1516
02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:02,040
 close the public hearing and turn to the days for motion or discussion

1517
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:10,520
 commissioner Beck I move to approve this agenda item to jail all of it we have

1518
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:14,040
 a first mr. Pernetta I'll second the motion we have a first and a second any

1519
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:19,760
 discussion seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board

1520
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:28,960
 motion carries 7-0

1521
02:28:36,680 --> 02:28:43,480
 mr. McQuade can you tell us what's going on with item you yes I'm 44 staff is

1522
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:46,760
 requesting that this be postponed indefinitely we'll come back and we

1523
02:28:46,760 --> 02:28:51,560
 notice it we are just wanting to make sure we have this area correct there are

1524
02:28:51,560 --> 02:28:56,520
 some parcels that we want to include no action is required other than we had

1525
02:28:56,520 --> 02:28:59,920
 noticed this for a public hearing and therefore we just want to make sure that

1526
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:06,680
 we get the Commission's vote to postpone indefinitely great coaster Smith motion

1527
02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:13,240
 postpone indefinitely we have a first for postpone to indefinitely critical

1528
02:29:13,240 --> 02:29:17,360
 second we have a first and a second to postpone indefinitely seeing no

1529
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:20,680
 discussions I call for a vote on the board

1530
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:31,400
 motion carries 7-0 that concludes our agenda for this evening I'll close the

1531
02:29:31,400 --> 02:29:36,200
 social called session at 825 thank you