Feb 20, 2024 City Council on 2024-02-20 2:00 PM

[00:00:02] GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. [WORK SESSION] TODAY IS FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024. IT IS 2 P.M.. WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS WILL JOIN US IN A BIT, BUT WITH THAT, WE'LL THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS. SEEING NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. THAT TAKES US TO CONSENT AGENDA QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CONSENT AGENDA. [A. Meeting Questions, Responses & Handouts] MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PULL AB JUST ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW OF A CLOSED SESSION BEFORE THAT COMES UP AND I WOULD RATHER, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF THAT BEFORE WE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM THANK THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T THINK THESE ARE DEAL BREAKERS. THESE ARE JUST EDUCATING ME. AND THEY CAME TO ME AFTER. AFTER THE DEADLINE. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS ON I ON THE THE LANDFILL GAS AND I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY BRIEF. DOES DOES THAT'S 24 268. WHAT, WHAT I THERE YOU GO. I HE'S HERE JUST. HERE COMES BRIAN BONNER NOW. AND IT MAY BE A MICHAEL GAGNER QUESTION, SO I, I ASK THAT IN ADVANCE OR HINT THAT IN ADVANCE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY MY QUESTION IS FOR IF IF FOR THE CELLS OF OF THE LANDFILL GAS OR THE PROPOSITION THAT WE HAD IN THE ITEM VERSUS FLARING, WHICH IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND WE DO NOW, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR CARBON TOTALS FOR OUR FUTURE CAP GOALS? SO THERE'S PROBABLY A HIGHER LEVEL QUESTION, THE CAP GOALS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT FLARING ALTHOUGH IT'S THE CLEANEST IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE RETURN AS A GAS TO ENERGY. SO BRIAN PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER OUT WITH THAT TO FULLY ANSWER THAT. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY, IT'S NET ZERO. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY DISPLACING EXISTING NATURAL GAS THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE BEING USED DOWN. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAVING ANY EMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY FROM THE FLARE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY IMPROVEMENT AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A GAIN FROM OUR GOAL STANDPOINT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW THAT THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S ALL I NEED I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT ITEM SIR. THANK YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON T AND THEN I'LL HAVE A COMMENT ON F AND K. BUT FOR T THIS IS 24 280. THIS IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACT AMENDMENT GT PUBLIC SAFETY. I MISSED THE QUESTION. I DIDN'T ASK IT YET. IT'S AGAIN, IT'S REAL BRIEF. I DON'T THINK IT'S A DEAL BREAKER, BUT OF THE 98,000 BEING PROPOSED FOR THE AMENDMENT THE SUBJECT MATTERS WERE DESCRIBED, BUT NOT THE RELATIVE PROPORTIONS. GOTCHA. DO WE KNOW? IS IT 50, 50? 60? 80? WHERE WHERE ARE WE LANDING ON THAT? IT'S NOT 5050, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 36 WAS FOR FIRE AND THE REST WAS FOR POLICE FOR THAT ADDITION. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SUFFICIENT. AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ON THAT ITEM. AND THEN I I HAVE A COMMENT REAL QUICK ABOUT KAY AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE DME ADMS SYSTEM. I WILL JUST SAY THAT I THINK THAT THESE, THESE ADVANCEMENTS AND THESE ENHANCEMENTS IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE CITIZENS INFORMED AND EDUCATED AND INVOLVED AND SEE THAT WE ARE STAYING UP WITH THE CUTTING EDGE. AND I REALLY LOVE IT. IF WE COULD SPEND A LITTLE EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND TRAINING TIME SAYING, YOU KNOW, REALLY ENHANCING, WE'RE DESCRIBING OUR, YOU KNOW, THE CAPABILITIES THAT WE'RE ADDING. AND THEN SORT OF SIMILARLY, ON A NEGATIVE SIDE, I WILL SAY FOR EF 232291 [00:05:02] I'M, I'M SORT OF LESS THAN EXCITED ABOUT THE 48% PRESERVATION BUYOUT PLAN. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S THE RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE. I ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF TO TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT WAYS TO HAVE LESS BUYOUT AND INTO THE TREE FUND AND MORE ACTUAL PRESERVATION. AND THAT'S THE TOTALITY OF MY COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. THIS IS FOR D I'D 23-130. AND I'M RECOGNIZING THAT THE CITY IS PARTNERING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO PROVIDE THE HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT FOUR NEW HOME BUYER UNITS. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO? FUTURISTICALLY. OR IS THIS A ONE TIME OPPORTUNITY AND JUST JUST AN EDUCATIONAL EXPLANATION OF WHAT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM IS FOR THE PEOPLE? WHICH IS REALLY GREAT, BY THE WAY. CHRISTINE TAYLOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, BUT WE MAY NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH DANNY. MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROGRAM THAT WE RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR, AND THEY DO HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE HOMEOWNERS CAN APPLY. AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THOSE CONTRACTS COME BACK THROUGH. SO THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS. THIS IS ALLOTTING HOW MANY HOMES WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IN THE FUTURE. OH THIS IS OH SAY THAT AGAIN. THIS IS HOW MANY HOMES WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK ON FOR YES, THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR UNITS FOR THAT. AND SO THEY DO HAVE FUNDS FOR THIS ANNUALLY. AND WE TYPICALLY SEE THESE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO COMPLETE THE WORK. OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM. FIRST IS ITEM A ID 24109 RECEIVE REPORT HOLD DISCUSSION. [A. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding potential subject matter to be discussed by a future Charter Review Committee. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]] GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL SUBJECT MATTER TO BE DISCUSSED BY FUTURE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. MAYOR. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME CHRISTIE'S PRESENTING HERE. CHIEF OF STAFF. AND I SHOUT OUT TO RYAN, HE'S HOME WITH A SICK KID OR HE WOULD BE HERE. SO I KNOW HE'S WATCHING. BUT IT'S HER FIRST TIME, SO SHE'S GOING TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH THIS IF YOU'LL BE PATIENT WITH HER, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH ON THE FIRST ONE. SO WHAT DOES IT SAY? THE FIRST ONE THROUGH THE WALL IS THE HARDEST, SO SHE'LL DO GREAT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRISTIE FOGLE, CHIEF OF STAFF. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE. THIS WILL BE A QUICK PRESENTATION OF THE HIGH LEVEL SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER, LEAVING THE MAJORITY OF THE ALLOTTED TIME FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON WHAT SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN, IN DEPTH ANALYSIS IN FUTURE WORK SESSIONS. AS A REMINDER STAFF RECEIVED DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS AT THE DECEMBER 5TH MEETING LAST YEAR. AND YOUR LAST DISCUSSION WAS AT THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING, WHERE COUNCIL APPROVED THE MAY 2025 ELECTION TIMELINE AND THE 14 PERSON CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. AS A PART OF THE APPROVED TIMELINE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE FOUR WORK SESSIONS BEFORE CONVENING THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF THE CHARTER, AND THOSE WORK SESSIONS WILL INFORM YOUR COMMITTEE CHARGES. HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. TODAY'S DISCUSSION WILL INITIATE THE HIGHLIGHTED STEP WHICH IS COUNCIL DEVELOPING THE COMMITTEE CHARGES. THE OBJECTIVE TODAY IS TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF THE CHARTER THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, AND HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS OF AT FUTURE WORK SESSIONS. SO I'LL QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE SESSION SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER WITH SOME BULLET POINTED HIGHLIGHTS. YOU DO HAVE A HANDOUT ON YOUR TABLE IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT. STARTING WITH ARTICLE TWO. THE COUNCIL NUMBER, SELECTION AND TERM OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. QUALIFICATIONS AND STIPENDS, VACANCIES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, REGULAR MEETINGS, QUORUM AND VOTING AND POWERS OF THE COUNCIL. ARTICLE THREE. NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS. MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS ARE HELD EACH YEAR ON THE UNIFORM ELECTION DAY FOR MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS IN MAY, WHICH IS ESTABLISHED BY THE ELECTION CODE. NOMINATIONS. THE OFFICIAL BALLOT CANVASING THE RESULTS AND REGULATION OF ELECTIONS FALLS HEAVILY UNDER THE ELECTION CODE OF THE STATE OF [00:10:06] TEXAS. ARTICLE FOUR. INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM AND RECALL. THE SIGNATURE THRESHOLDS FOR ALL THREE IS 25% OF VOTES CAST IN THE MOST RECENT ELECTION AND REFERENDUM DEADLINES IS 20 DAYS AFTER ENACTMENT OF THE REFERENDUM. FORM OF PETITION AND COMMITTEE OF PETITIONERS DIRECTS FORM, CONTENT AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE PETITIONS AND PETITIONERS, AND FILING, EXAMINATION AND CERTIFICATION OF PETITIONS. INSTRUCTS THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE ON THE EXAMINATION AND CERTIFICATION AND PETITIONS CAN BE AMENDED UP TO TEN DAYS AFTER SUBMISSION. REVENUE AND TAXATION AND THE BUDGET. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO LEVY TAXES, THE POWER OF TAX BASED DEBT, AND THEN THE BUDGET. THE CITY MANAGER SUBMITS A PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL EACH YEAR. COUNCIL THEN HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A VOTE ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET. DURING A FISCAL YEAR, THE CITY MANAGER CAN TRANSFER FUNDS WITHIN DEPARTMENTS, BUT NOT BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL AND AMENDMENT AMENDING THE BUDGET. IT MUST BE APPROVED BY AT LEAST FIVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. BORROWING AND ISSUING BONDS. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO ISSUE BONDS, BOND ORDINANCE AND ELECTIONS, AND EXECUTION AND SALE OF BONDS. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE COMMISSION IS REGULATED PRETTY HEAVILY BY STATE LAW. THE DUTIES, POWERS AND DUTIES ARE OUTLINED IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THE MASTER PLAN. THE COMMISSION WILL INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE MASTER PLAN. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL APPOINT A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, PLATTING AND SUBDIVISION CONTROL AND BUILDING PERMITS, USE AND OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATES. PUBLIC UTILITIES IS ALSO REGULATED, SOME BY STATE LAW. SO YOU HAVE THE POWER OF THE UTILITY RATES, EXCESS REVENUES OF UTILITY SYSTEMS AND THE PUB BOARD AND THEN FRANCHISES. THE CITY MAY GRANT, RENEW AND EXTEND ALL FRANCHISES OF PUBLIC UTILITIES OPERATING WITHIN THE CITY. THEY MAY GRANT FRANCHISES PERMITS FOR USE OF OCCUPANCY OF STREETS. FRANCHISE FEES AND REGULATION OF UTILITIES, AND THEN GENERAL PROVISIONS. THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER SHALL BE AN ANNUALLY SELECTED IN WHICH ALL CITY ORDINANCES AND NOTICES ARE PUBLISHED. THE ETHICS ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. CITY COUNCIL SHALL ADOPT AN ETHICS ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF PUBLIC OFFICE FOR PRIVATE GAIN, AND INCORPORATES CONFLICT OF INTEREST STANDARDS, THE OATH OF OFFICE THAT EVERYONE TAKES BEFORE ENTERING OFFICE. AMENDING THE CHARTER MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS IN THE MANNER PROVIDED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND APPOINTMENTS. ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DON'T FALL WITHIN ONE SECTION OF THE CHARTER WOULD JUST BE TO RESOLVE CONFLICTS WITH ANY STATE LAWS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE 2017 AMENDMENTS. RESOLVING ANY VAGUE OR UNCLEAR LANGUAGE AND REPLACING GENDERED LANGUAGE WITH NON-GENDERED LANGUAGE. THESE ARE STAFF'S ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT TO INCLUDE IN THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMITTEE CHARGES. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE DRIVEN BY COUNCIL. SO FROM THESE NINE AREAS I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TODAY TO RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON THE ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE FOR MORE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS. MOST OF THESE SECTIONS WOULD LIKELY TAKE UP ONE HOUR OF A WORK SESSION, THOUGH SOME MAY BE MORE ABBREVIATED, AND ALLOW TO DO TWO SECTIONS IN ONE WORK SESSION. IF COUNCIL IDENTIFIES MORE THAN 3 TO 5, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THAT INTO THE SCHEDULE, BUT IT MAY MEAN SHIFTING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND PRIORITIES. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST YOU CAN, AS BEST I CAN. OTHERWISE I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST WANT TO BE A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE THREE ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T COUNT TOWARDS OR DO COUNT TOWARDS THE 3 OR 5 DO NOT COUNT. PERFECT. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN I FOR THE COUNCIL, THE BEST WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS IS EVERY. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 3 TO 5 EVERYONE. SO GIVE ONE ONE OF YOUR GIVE YOUR TOP PRIORITY TO START WITH. THAT'LL GIVE US SEVEN. AND THAT'S BEYOND CAPACITY. AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE THERE'S SYNERGIES. TO THEN BEGIN A PROCESS OF, OF GETTING SOMETHING TO PUT FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE THESE THESE HEARINGS. WHAT IS THE DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DROP DEAD DAY TO SUBMIT SOMETHING? [00:15:02] YEAH. SO DROP DEAD DATE I THINK WOULD BE AFTER OUR FIRST WORK SESSION DATE, WHICH WOULD BE MARCH 19TH. OKAY. SO IF SOMETHING HITS YOU TODAY OR PARDON ME AFTER TODAY, THAT WOULD BE THE DATE THAT YOU'D NEED TO SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF OR BEFORE THAT DATE SO THAT THERE'S A HARD DEADLINE. WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT. AND THEN TWO, ALL THESE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO IT WOULD BE BASED ON LEARNING FROM SCAR TISSUE FROM THE BOND, THE BOND COMMITTEE DISCUSSION. ALL THESE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS. IF SOMETHING HITS YOU AFTER THE 319 DATE, YOU CAN ATTEND ANY OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND HAVE THAT VETTED BY THE THE BODY. SO THERE'S THERE'S PLENTY THERE'S THE TIME NOW BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19TH THAT YOU COULD SUBMIT THOUGHTS. THEN THERE'S PUBLIC HEARINGS AFTER THE 19TH THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT THOUGHTS. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING. I'M TRYING TO AVOID ANYTHING THAT WOULD NOT HAVE CITIZEN INPUT FOR US TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS PROCESS TO GET THAT BODY'S THOUGHTS. SO WITH THOSE WITH THAT KIND OF LAY OF THE LAND TOP ONE WILL GO AROUND AND NOTE THOSE AND HAVE COMMENT. AROUND THAT SO THE STAFF CAN TAKE NOTES AND GET A FEEL FOR TRACTION. SO WE'LL GO COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER, MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR, WHAT LEVEL OF GRANULARITY LIKE YOUR TOP ONE? NO, NO, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ARTICLE TWO. ENOUGH INFORMATION OR OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ARTICLE TWO? NO. YOU WOULD NEED TO. YEAH. WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO. YEAH OKAY. SO SO NUMBER SELECTION AND TERM. YES. YES. DO OTHER PARTS OF THAT I'M INTERESTED IN TOO. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONE. THEY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE FIRST ITEM IS SECTION 2.01 AND IT'S TITLED NUMBER SELECTION AND TERM AND REFERS TO THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND HOW HOW LONG THEIR TERMS ARE AND HOW IT'S DIVIDED BETWEEN GEOGRAPHIC AND AT LARGE. OKAY. IT'S A TOPIC FOR THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE UP. GOT IT. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM OKAY, SO JUST FOR MY APOLOGIZE. SO SO YOU WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DECIDING ON AREAS YOU WANT IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TO SUBSECTIONS. NOT NECESSARILY. SO THE VISION WAS FOR OF THESE NINE SECTIONS IDENTIFYING 3 TO 5. BUT IF THERE ARE SUB SECTIONS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER IDENTIFIED SUBSECTION A THEN YOU CAN DEFINITELY NOTE THAT AND STAFF WILL TAKE NOTE OF IT. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY BECAUSE AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE YOU LISTED THESE LIKE THIS. AND TO LINE UP. SO I MEAN IF I'M PICKING A TOPIC AREA THEN ARTICLE TWO, I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY FIRST CHOICE. BUT THAT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU THEN WE GO BACK TO COUNCILOR MELTZER TO BECAUSE I'M, I'M OVERRIDING IT BY SAYING THE WHOLE AREA THAT HE'S IN. I ASKED THE MAYOR'S INDULGENCE ON ON THAT ONE. SO MY, MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS THE ARTICLE TWO. YEAH. BUT SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN IN MY MIND, YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILOR MELTZER. THAT'S NOTED. SO THEY THEY HAVE KIND OF THAT TRACTION. BUT THEN YOU HAVE WHAT IS YOUR PRIORITY WITHIN THERE SO THAT IT. IF YOU WANT TO JUST. THIS IS THE OTHER THING TO NOTE. THERE'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE SOME LEVEL OF DETAIL. IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH TWO, YOU CAN. BUT YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO READ FROM AND THEY'LL WATCH THIS WORK SESSION, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO READ FROM WHAT YOU GIVE THEM. AND SO SPECIFICITY HELPS THEM MAKE DECISIONS ON INTENT AND AND PRIORITIZATION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE IT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR LOVE IT. AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF MAKING SURE YOU YOU'RE HEARD. SO IF YOU'RE YOUR ANSWERS TO THAT CAN BE TWO. GREAT. BUT IF YOU IF YOU HAVE SOME LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY, I'D SOLICIT THAT. AND IF I MIGHT, IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THAT SPECIFICITY, ARE YOU STILL WANTING US TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO ONE? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEN THEN IF, IF, IF YOU WANT SOME ADDITIONAL SPECIFICITY BEYOND GENERALLY TWO, WHICH I GENERALLY LIKE ALL OF THOSE AS MY HIGH PRIORITIES, I'LL SAY TWO TWO AS AS MY PRIORITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. ONE QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. [00:20:01] ARE WE GOING TO PICK TOP PRIORITIES IN EVERY ARTICLE? NO. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I'M GOING TO SAY ARTICLE TWO, SECTION TWO AS WELL. QUALIFICATIONS. THANK YOU. OH OKAY. IS THERE A SIMILAR SITUATION. STAFF WILL NOTE THAT YOU YOU'RE IN LINE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUT THEY'LL NOTE YOU'RE IN LINE WITH WITH WITH. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE EQUATION, THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE PICKED THE TOP PRIORITY. I CAN PICK A DIFFERENT TOP PRIORITY. YES. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER PICKED 2.01. RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND HE PICKED 2.02. THAT'S CORRECT. DO YOU MIND COMING BACK TO ME, PLEASE, SIR. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT. AND JUST FOR THE FOR FOR CONSIDERATION, STAFF, WHEN YOU COME BACK. ON. WELL, NO, LET'S LET'S GET THROUGH THIS FIRST. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR HOLLAND? STREETS IS MY THING. SO ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 13.02 USE OF STREETS. TWO. 13.02. 13. 813. ITS FRANCHISES. PAGE 1234. ITS FRANCHISES. 1302 OKAY. YEAH. 1302 YES! THANK YOU. 1302 YEAH. 1302. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. I AM GOING TO ASK US TO LOOK AT ARTICLE NINE BORROWING FOR PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS. AND I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN REVIEWING THE 9.02 BOND ORDINANCE AND ELECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU OR AND IS THERE AND LET ME DO THIS. THOSE THAT HAVE SPOKEN. SO LET'S STAY WITH YOU. COUNCILMAN. BYRD. IS THERE ANYTHING? NO, NO. GENERALLY YOU SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CALL OUT SPECIFIC THAT YOU HAVE SUPPORT FOR? YES. I WANT TO CALL OUT THE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE. I'M TRYING TO KIND OF FAST, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN IN HERE IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO A BOND COMMITTEE. DO YOU ALL SEE THAT? I'M MISSING THAT. SO THAT IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO TO KIND OF NARROW DOWN BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD LIKE 40 PEOPLE. 20 PEOPLE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY. THEN. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE, ARE YOU AT A POINT WHERE YOU CAN. MAYOR, CAN I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? SURE. GO AHEAD. IF YOU DON'T MIND. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO ON A COUPLE OF THESE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON 9.02. WE ARE THE THING YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, WHICH IS FINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON ALL OF THOSE THREE BULLETS. WE ALREADY DO THAT. WE ALREADY APPROVED BONDS TO THE MAJORITY OF QUALIFIED VOTERS. YOU COULD THE COUNCIL CAN DO APPROVE OTHER TYPES OF BONDS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. MACK. AND THEN USUALLY A BOND COUNCIL, WHICH IS AN ATTORNEY, WILL LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN PASSED AND THEN OR EVEN BEFORE GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON LANGUAGE AND THEN ON THE NOW IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON, ON THE 1302 USE OF STREETS. I GUESS JUST BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO DIFFERENT. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT FALLS WITHIN THAT FROM YOU WANT TO SET ASIDE CERTAIN FEES OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT FOR THE USE OF STREETS. JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT BUT ON THE, ON THE BONDS, WE ALREADY DO THOSE THINGS UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO IT DIFFERENT. YEAH. THAT'S IT. OKAY. I WILL SAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED THUS FAR. SO PUT ME DOWN FOR THOSE THINGS. CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THEN BUT IF TO BE NUANCED DIFFERENT IN THAT THERE WILL BE OTHER STUFF THAT MAY HIT ME LATER, SO I MAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER PROVISION THAT'S ABOUT FOR THOSE TRACKING ALONG [00:25:10] ABOUT $11,000 A YEAR. LAST I ASKED, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US INVEST THAT IN EITHER UNT OR TWU TO GIVE THEM REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE AND INVEST THAT MONEY INTO THOSE COLLEGES. AND SO I I'D LIKE TO I DON'T I'M NOT EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'LL PUT FORWARD UNDERSTANDING OTHERS ARE AND THAT'S UNDER GENERAL PROVISIONS HERE. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. SO. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS WILL WILL SUBMIT WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO SUBMIT. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION OR WE GOT TO PLUG IN THOSE THINGS. BUT BEFORE WE PLUG IN DATES, I WANT TO HAVE GENERAL DISCUSSION AND MISS ANYTHING. THE MAYOR. OH, COUNCILMEMBER. YES. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER. MCGEE THANK YOU. MAYOR. YOU GOT MINE AGAIN WITH NEWSPAPER. SO THEN I'M GOING TO DROP DOWN AND SAY ETHICS. SO THAT'S 1404. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE FOR US TO TO BE CONSIDERED OF. GOT IT. DO I NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT, OR IS THAT ENOUGH? THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DIDN'T SEE. AND SO CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME? I KNOW WE SAY WE HAVE ARTICLE FOUR FOR RECALL, BUT I'M NOT SURE OF THE SECTIONS THAT APPEAR TO GOVERN THAT. YES. AND SO IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S MISSING. SO IF YOU IF IT'S NOT MISSING, IF SOMEONE COULD LET ME KNOW. YES. SO THE THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF EACH SECTION. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT INCLUDING ALL OF THEM I CAN GIVE. I HAVE COPIES OF THE CHARTER IF ANYBODY WANTS ONE. TO REVIEW KIND OF THE ADDITIONAL SECTIONS. BUT THEY ARE BASICALLY THE DEADLINES AND THRESHOLDS IS WHAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOTED AT ANOTHER MEETING THAT THE SIGNATURE THRESHOLD IS 25% OF THE PREVIOUS VOTE FOR INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM AND RECALL. SO LET ME CAN LET ME ROLL IT BACK SLIGHTLY. REQUIREMENTS FOR RECALL PETITION WOULD GO WHERE IN THIS IN ARTICLE FOUR THERE FOR CORRECT. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SECTIONS 4.064.07 AND SO FORTH THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THIS INITIAL DOCUMENT. THIS IS JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS OF EACH SECTION. OKAY. AND I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO BE PEDANTIC. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, IS ALIGN WITH WHAT THE MAYOR HAS ASKED US TO DO, WHICH IS IF THERE'S A NUMBER HERE, CHOOSE IT AND DIALOG ABOUT IT. BUT IF IF IT'S MISSING, THEN HE ASKS US TO SAY. AND SO I'M NOT CLEAR IF YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S MISSING OR NOT. IT'S NOT MISSING. IF IF YOU'RE. TELL ME IF YOU GIVE US WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT UNDER ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 4.03 IS THE FORM OF PETITION COMMITTEE OF PETITIONERS. THEN IT GETS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. THEN IT GETS INTO THE FILING, THEN IT GETS INTO THE AMENDMENT. AFTER THAT IS 4.0, 6.4.4.07. AND IT GOES ON INTO OTHER SPECIFICS RELATED ABOUT PETITIONS, REFERENDUMS, RECALLS. SO IF THERE'S A CERTAIN THING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IF YOU'LL SAY THAT, WE CAN PROBABLY FIND WHAT THAT IS. BUT I WANT TO ADD THE CAVEAT THAT THAT WOULD BE SECOND TO IF THE IF THE YOU GOT TO ENVISION THE BODY THAT'S THE CITIZENS THAT WILL APPOINT WILL BE WATCHING THIS MEETING AND THEY'LL SAY. 2.02 IS YOUR PRIORITY. AND SECOND TO THAT IS SECTION FOUR, ETC., ETC.. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY AND I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT THAT AT ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY. SURE. SO WHAT I AM IN OUR COMMUNITY, THERE WAS THERE WAS HEARTBURN ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR RECALL AND WHAT WHAT CREATED A WHAT WERE THE WHAT WERE THE THRESHOLDS AND NEEDS AND RATIONALE FOR WHAT IS DEEMED A LEGITIMATE RECALL? AND I COULDN'T QUITE SEE, I MEAN, LIKE, NOT SIGNATURES BUT MORE FOCUSED ON THE RATIONALE. AND SO IF THAT'S IN, IN A, IN A SECTION 6 OR 7 THAT I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ONE OF MY SECONDARY PRIORITIES. AND IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S IN ONE OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I'LL, I'LL SIGN OFF ON ONE OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS. OKAY. IT IS, IT'S IN SECTION 4.12 RECALL PETITION AND COMMITTEE OF PETITIONERS. [00:30:07] AND I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF THE CHARTER IF THAT'S HELPFUL, I CAN WE CAN NOTE THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU WORK ON IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I WOULD. MAYBE IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO GET IT TO COUNCIL IN THIS SAME FORMAT THAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THIS. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. WE TRIED TO BE AS HIGH LEVEL AS POSSIBLE IN CREATING THE DOCUMENT. IT WAS INITIALLY A ONE PAGER OF MAJOR SECTIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A 37 PAGE CHARTER. SO TRYING TO BE AS ABBREVIATED AS POSSIBLE. AND IF YOU GET THAT TO YOU, I APOLOGIZE FOR TALKING OVER YOU. NO, YOU'RE GOOD IF YOU WILL. JUST LET ME BE PEDANTIC AND CONFIRM THAT SECTION 412 HAS HAS THIS IN IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COUNCILWOMAN. MELTZER AND COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. YEAH. IN RELATED AREA JUST, YOU KNOW, WATCHING FROM THE CHEAP SEATS DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THERE'S A QUESTION THAT APPEARED TO HAVE TO GO TO COURTS BECAUSE IT WAS THERE WAS LACK OF CLARITY IN THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE ABOUT WHO IS QUALIFIED TO SIGN A PETITION WHEN DISTRICTS CHANGE, WHEN LINES CHANGE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY CHANGING NUMBER OF SEATS, THAT WILL CHANGE LINES. SO IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT CLEARED UP. YOU KNOW IN TANDEM WITH THAT, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE. ABSOLUTELY. COUNCIL MEMBER BURT, ALSO KEEPING WITH THE SAME THEME THAT I HAD EARLIER IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE BEING ON COMMITTEES, I DO WANT TO BRING BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ON SECTION 14.16 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. YES, MA'AM. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND THERE. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD SAY AS, AS A, AS A SECOND OPTION FOR ME OR, AND THIS WOULD BE A NEW ADDITION, I BELIEVE. I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THE CHARTER A AGENDA. BASICALLY REWORKING THE TWO MINUTE PITCH AND PUTTING IT IN THE AGENDA. I MEAN, PARDON ME, PUT IT IN IN THE CHARTER. SO IT WOULD BE A CHARTER PROCESS TO GOVERN HOW THE AGENDA ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA ARE MADE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE'LL GET A FEEL FOR THAT. OKAY. ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE START TRYING TO THE EXERCISES TO PULL FILL IN THE WORK SESSIONS AND, AND NOT LISTED HERE IS THE JUNE DATE, JUNE ISH 1ST OF JUNE. FIRST PART OF JUNE IS WHEN THE COMMITTEE WILL BE SAT. SO THERE'LL BE THESE WORK SESSIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT. FOR THE KIND OF TOP PRIORITIES. YES. AND THEN THE AFTER COUNCIL WORKS THROUGH THOSE TOP PRIORITIES, IT'LL GO TO THE CITIZENS THAT THAT COMMITTEE WILL HAVE THE, OUR PRIORITIES AND THEN THEY'LL, IT'LL BE THEY HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO PULL IN WHAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY AS WELL. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT LIMITED AT ALL TO THIS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A WE'LL CLEARLY COMMUNICATE PRIORITIES TO THEM, AND THEN THEY'LL ADD OR SUBTRACT TO THAT AS THEY WILL. OKAY. DID I SEE. OKAY, SO THINK THAT'S. AND SO QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHAT I'M SEEING. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO START TO FILL IN THOSE DATES. SO WE HAVE SECTION 2.01 FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MELTZER COUNCIL MCGEE IS NO. PARDON ME. MAYOR PRO TEM IS 2.02. COUNCILMAN MCGEE IS 1404. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND IS 1302. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD 902. MINE IS. I GAVE A TITLE. I DIDN'T GIVE A NUMBER, SO FORGIVE ME. THAT'S THE 1403. AND THEN WE SKIPPED DOWN TO THE SECOND LEVEL, AND THAT'S FOR 4.12. FOR MAYOR PRO TEM SIMILARLY I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NUMBER IT WAS, BUT BUT COUNCILMAN MELTZER WAS IN FOR 15. FOR 13. THANK YOU. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD WAS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT NUMBER THAT IS 1416. THANK YOU. AND THEN MINES IN THERE, IT WOULD BE A NEW ADDITION TO THE CHARTER. [00:35:05] SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WHERE IT WOULD GO, BUT THAT'S THE AGENDA. THE TWO MINUTE PITCH MOVING TO THE CHARTER. SO THAT'S WHAT IS BEFORE US. THE HEAVY LIFT NOW IS TO PLUG THOSE INTO WORK SESSIONS. SO I. LET'S SEE. THERE'S A LOT OF TRACTION AROUND 2.01. THAT IS THE NUMBER SELECTION AND TERM FOR FOR CITY COUNCIL. IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S. NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. IF NOT, THEN WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND PLUG THAT IN. OKAY. AND CAN I TRAVEL? DUSTIN, CAN I TROUBLE YOU FOR A COPY OF THAT, PLEASE? AND THANK YOU. OH. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN THANK YOU. AND THEN LET'S SEE. THE NEXT IS 2.02 MAKES. MAYBE IT'S THAT GOOD TO HAVE IT AS A CONTINUUM. SAME DAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. OKAY, IT'S JUST DOING SECTION BY SECTION, UNLESS IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THEM AROUND. COUNCIL 2.01 AND 2.02 AND WE CAN GO OVER ON THOSE DATES. WE CAN GO OVER THE FULL SECTION, BUT WE'LL FOCUS MOST OF OUR DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION ON THE ONES YOU IDENTIFIED. YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO STICK TO THE ONES THAT THEY'RE SELECTING. AND SO SINCE IT'S 201 AND 202, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THOSE IN THE SAME DISCUSSION. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU SAID TWO PER DATE ON THAT IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR WORK SESSIONS I THINK. SO SOME OF THEM MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. SO WE MAY HAVE TO EITHER PUSH OUR DATES OUT IF WE HAVE MORE THAN FIVE, I THINK A COUPLE OF THE ONES, THE GENERAL PROVISION ONES AND MAYBE THE FRANCHISE SECTION WE COULD DOUBLE UP ON. SO. SO THE GOAL HERE THOUGH IS TO HAVE 3 TO 5. YOU'VE ALREADY PASSED THREE. IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TWO, EVERY ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT ITEMS, THAT'S EIGHT ITEMS THAT IS PASSED ON TO YOUR, YOUR PUBLIC COMMITTEE. AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE NO MORE THAN FIVE, MAYBE SIX. SO IF YOU PUT TWO ON EVERY DATE IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN AN HOUR THAT'S ALLOTTED AS WELL, WHICH WE CAN DO. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU DISCUSS AND WHAT GOES ON, AND THEN IT HAS TO GO ON TO THE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS. AND IT'S WAY BEYOND THE FIVE THAT WAS THE PRIORITY OR THE TOP FIVE. RIGHT. AND, AND I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S SYNERGIES AROUND THAT. YES. BUT THERE'S. YES. YEAH. SO LET'S DO THAT. AND THAT SHOULD BE FAIRLY SHORT. HOPEFULLY THE NEWSPAPER AND ETHICS AND ALSO IF YOU WANT TO DO SO. YEAH. GENTLEMEN THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN IF WE GO DOWN TO THE 16TH, LET'S SAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER FOR MINE. SECTION NINE, WHEN I ASK ABOUT THE BOND COMMITTEE. YES. THAT COULD JUST BE PUT DOWN HERE WITH THE 14.16. IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME RELATIVE IDEA. OKAY, THAT I'M UNDER THE GENERAL PROVISIONS AREA. OKAY? SO THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CUTS ONE DOWN. BE COMBINED. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S OKAY. SO I'M KIND OF TALKING ABOUT A COMMITTEE ANYWAY. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN SO THAT LEAD THAT WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS? AROUND 1302, I DIDN'T HEAR MANY. I DIDN'T HEAR ON THAT. SO THAT'S A STREET COMPONENT, RIGHT? BUT 1302 CAN YOU CAN YOU SHARE SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THAT WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER, WHAT WOULD THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT AREA SO THAT EVERYONE CAN KIND OF EVALUATE. SO I GUESS I JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE. AND MAYBE CASSIE, YOU CAN HELP. I MEAN, THE CITY ALREADY HAS PERMITS FOR THE USE AND OCCUPANCY OF STREETS, AVENUES, ALLEYS, PUBLIC GROUNDS BY ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW THAT THINGS HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL BEFORE THEY DO FOR ANY KIND OF FRANCHISES OR PERMITS. WE DON'T JUST ARBITRARILY DO FRANCHISES OR PERMITS WITHOUT USUALLY GOING THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS OR A PRESENTATION THAT THEN ALLOWS THE COUNCIL TO SAY YES OR NO, THUMBS UP, THUMBS [00:40:02] DOWN, AND THEN I GUESS IF WE DO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE ONCE, YOU CAN DO ON THIS. IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS YOU WANT TO DO REGARDING STREETS, WE'D HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT. BUT IF IF I GUESS I. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. LET'S SWITCH. I'M LOOKING FOR MORE MONEY AND MORE TIME TO TO BE SPENT ON ON STREET CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO ASK MACK TO HELP, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THE MORE MONEY AND THE MORE TIME IS MORE ABOUT PRIORITIES THROUGH COUNCIL, WHICH YOU'LL DO IN JUNE, COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND MONEY WILL BE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS OR THROUGH BONDS THAT WE DO. AND JESSICA, I'M SEEING YOU NOD. THAT'S REALLY THE WAY TO HANDLE THAT. NOW, IF YOU WANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD EVEN DO AN ORDINANCE, A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT SAID, WELL, YOU COULD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY BUDGET GOES TOWARDS STREETS. I MEAN, YEAH, I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING NO, I'M GIVING HIM WELL OR MAYBE, MAYBE ANY, ANY AMOUNT NOT OTHERWISE SPENT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO WOULD PLUG INTO STREETS. AND THAT ALMOST COULD BE DONE THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS. $1,000 WAS BUDGETED AND WE ONLY SPENT 900. WE COULD, WE COULD WE COULD SPEND THE OTHER OTHER OTHER HUNDRED. PARDON ME. ON STREETS. THERE'S CASSIE, SHE'S HERE TO RESCUE CASSIE, OUR GOOD ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. WHILE YOU COULD DO THAT THROUGH A CHARTER AMENDMENT, YOU COULD ALSO DO THAT THROUGH A COUNCIL POLICY BECAUSE WE BRING THE FINANCIAL POLICIES TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. SO THAT COULD BE ADOPTED THROUGH THE FINANCIAL POLICY. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'D BE FASTER AND LESS ONEROUS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE VOTERS. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, IF AND IF THAT'S NOT, IT STILL DOES WITH THE BUDGET. BUT NOT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THIS, CREATE IT, GO TO THIS GROUP AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PLACED ON A BALLOT. YOU COULD STILL DO THIS THROUGH A COUNCIL MEASURE TO TAKE A PERCENTAGE TO IF I CAN GET MORE WORKERS AND MORE MONEY, THEN THEN I HAVE NO NO HEARTBURN TO REMOVE TO REMOVE MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY, SO. COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? ARE YOU IS THIS AKIN TO KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT EXCESS PERCENTAGE OF MONEY, LIKE GOING TO STREETS VERSUS CATALYST FUND VERSUS A CONTINUATION OF THAT. AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE. THE DECK. IT IS. EXACTLY. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. SO WHEN WE HAVE. THIS IS A GOOD. THE BUDGET PROCESS IS A VERY GOOD TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, TO LOOK AT WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU WANT TO GO TO STREETS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO YES, IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THAT MEASURE, JUST HOW WE DID BEFORE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN WE GET INTO THE SECOND TIER AND LET'S LOOK AT ON APRIL 16TH, IF WE PUT ON THE FOUR. DOT 12, FOR DOT 13 AND FOR DOT 16. I KNOW 416 WAS ALREADY DONE. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO THAT'S A SECOND ONE. YEAH BUT THAT WAS 12 AND 13. YEAH. SO 1412 AND 13 IF WE HAVE IS THAT APRIL 16TH OKAY. YEAH. THE INTO THE SECOND TIER. SO THIS IS SO THIS WOULD BE THE RECALL. YEAH I WAS THINKING 14. ALL RIGHT? YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO FOR THE RECORD, I. I'M REAL HESITANT. TO START USING THIS. THE CITY OF DENTON CHARTER. TO JUSTIFY PEOPLE'S REASON TO PETITION THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I DON'T WANT TO I'M I'M CITING WHAT WAS REQUESTED, BUT I WANT TO I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WE'RE NOT I DON'T WANT TO BE THE JUSTICE POLICE ON. PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO BE REAL, REAL CLEAR THAT I'M NOT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF TO TALK ABOUT THERE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A HARD NO FOR ME. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT RIGHT IN MY MIND, BUT WORTHY DISCUSSION. THEN LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DOES THAT. DO WE NEED? WE? IS THERE A DATE? WE NEED THAT LAST DATE? IS THAT A SUMMARY KIND OF WRAP UP TYPE THING, OR IS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A SUMMARY WRAP UP DATE? YEAH. THE SUMMARY, THE WRAP UP DATE AND FINAL CHARGES WILL BE THE MEETING FOLLOWING THIS 21ST. [00:45:04] SO THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T PLUGGED IN YET IS BORROWING. IF WE STILL WANT TO ADD THAT AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR IF IT WAS WITHDRAWN BORROWING WHAT WHERE DOES THAT SECTION NINE. YEAH. SO I THINK SHE COUNCILMAN BYRD WAS 9.2. AND SHE SAID THAT COULD BE CAPTURED IN 4.16. BECAUSE IT'S MORE BOARDS COMMITTEE AM I RIGHT? AND THEN I DON'T SEE ANOTHER NINE NOW. COUNCILMAN. YEAH, YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH, I HAVE IT HERE. AND SO COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS IS NOT HERE. INEVITABLY, HE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO SUBMIT. AND BUT. YES, THAT'S INCLUDED IN GENERAL PROVISIONS. RIGHT? YEAH. TO ME IT'S IN THE GENERAL PROVISIONS. MY, MY. THANK YOU. HOW? AGENDA OF THE AGENDA ITEM. YES. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY UNDER ASSUMING COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE THAT YOU ENVISION DISCUSSING ON A, ON THAT MAY 21ST DATE? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ON THE AND PERHAPS THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR CITY MANAGER. AS I REMEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, STAFF HAD SOME PRIORITIES OF THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE MAY 21ST DATE. WILL SOME OF THOSE BE BROUGHT UP AS WELL? WELL, I THINK WE, WE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE RESOLVED. THE CONFLICTS WITH THE STATE LAW WHERE APPLICABLE. THERE MAY BE SOME CONFLICTS JUST FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED AT THE LEGISLATURE. VAGUE AND UNCLEAR LANGUAGE TO CLEAR THAT UP, WE'D WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TO TRY TO DO THAT AND THEN REPLACE THE GENDERED LANGUAGE TO NON-GENDERED GENDERED LANGUAGE, WHICH IS WHAT STANDARD USUALLY DO MOST WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAR UP YOUR LANGUAGE ISSUES, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT'S BEST TO DO. AND THOSE ARE OURS. ALL THE OTHER THINGS WERE IT'S ALL UP TO YOU ALL. WE'RE OKAY WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. WE'LL OUR GOAL IS THEN TO TAKE EACH ONE OF THESE AND BE PREPARED FOR THAT DATE. 2.012.02 TO PREPARE FACT INFORMATION FOR YOU. ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE, WHAT THEY MEAN? GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND. WHAT? FOR INSTANCE? ON A STIPEND, I THINK YOU CAN, WITHOUT A CHARTER AMENDMENT, GO UP TO 30% ON THE STIPEND. ALSO MAYBE DO A LITTLE RESEARCH OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK FOR YOU, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IT'LL BE TURNED OVER TO YOU ALL TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, AND THEN TO PUT THE FINAL CHARGE FROM THAT DATE ONTO THE, ONTO THE LITTLE SLATE FOR THE YOUR APPOINTEES. BUT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. SO BUT ON THE ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST UP OR DOWN. THAT'S NOT A WORK SESSION. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. YES. OKAY. GOT IT, GOT IT. YEAH. SORRY, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T CATCH IT. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DO WE HAVE ANY? AND THIS QUESTION GOES TO TO WHETHER I WANT TO, LIKE, TALK ABOUT THIS BLANK OR NOT. DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE UPDATED CITIES RIGHTS TO SWITCH THEIR WHICH REGULAR ELECTION YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE? I KNOW THERE WAS A THERE WAS A TIMELINE RESTRICTION AND THEY HAD TO UPDATE THAT EVERY YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IF THEY DIDN'T, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. THEY DID NOT. THEN I'LL I'LL BE QUIET. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT MAYBE SO YOU CAN JUST TYPE IN COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS AND AN EMAILS THAT WILL COME IN AFTER THE FACT. EVERYONE HAS. THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLETE COPY OF THE THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, SUBMIT THOSE AND WE'LL, WE'LL RESHUFFLE IF WE NEED TO. BUT THAT'LL GIVE US AND AS YOU GET INTO THOSE, YOU MAY FIGURE OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE 19TH IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT. AND SO WE MAY NEED THAT TIME. AND THAT BUMPS EVERYTHING DOWN. YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO ABSOLUTELY. NOW IS THERE, IS THERE ANY THING THAT YOU WANT STAFF TO NOTE WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH INFORMATION? OR IS THERE ANYTHING? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL YOUR NOTES FOR STAFF TO. SO NOT SOLICITING ANYTHING, JUST ASKING. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL YOUR KIND OF THOUGHTS AS THEY GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND REVIEW IT AND BRING IT BACK. WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE INCLUDING WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION OR TO EVALUATE OR PREPARE FOR WORK SESSION. SO ANYTHING LISTED HERE THAT ADDITIONAL INSIGHT FOR STAFF TO KNOW WHEN THEY COME BACK. [00:50:02] COUNCILMAN BYRD. FOR THE ONE THING THAT I. WHICH I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THIS. THE ONE THING THAT I'VE ADDED ON THERE WAS THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I WANT TO REVISIT THAT. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND SOME THINGS CHANGE IN REGARDS TO AN ORDINANCE, BUT I NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN. I WASN'T SATISFIED AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND FOR ME, I'LL SAY WHEN WE GET TO THE TO 2.1, I ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND AT WHAT POINT STAFF OR BEST PRACTICES SAY WE NEED TO ADD A SEAT. AS A CITY GROWS, RIGHT? DO WE NEED A NINE PERSON COUNCIL AT SOME POINT? I KNOW FORT WORTH WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND ADDED A FUTURE SEAT. AND THAT COULD BE FORWARD LOOKING, BUT JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BEST PRACTICES SAY AROUND THAT. AND IF THAT'S SINGLE MEMBER, IF THAT'S ALL AT LARGE, WHATEVER KIND OF IN THAT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR IN THAT SECTION. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. YES, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER. MELTZER. YEAH. IF IT'S SORT OF TOO LATE TO PITCH IN A LATE BREAKING. THOUGHT I CAN WRITE AN EMAIL. NO, I MEAN, WE'RE HERE. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. AND NOT JUST COMING FROM ME, BUT TO HAVE TO HAVE THE THE IDEA BE TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE EVALUATE ELIMINATING RUNOFF ELECTIONS BY ADOPTING A RANKED CHOICE SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK IT IS. OKAY. SO JUST. BRING BACK THAT INFORMATION. YES, SIR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO THEN IF YOU CAN MAYBE REDUCE TAKE THAT SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT HE CAN THEN. NO, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SELECTED. THAT WILL INFORM IF HE HAS A NEW THOUGHT. AND THEN THAT'LL ALL COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE ABLE. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT, I HAVE A CAN'T FORGET BECAUSE YOUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING WITH THEM, DID YOU REALLY I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T. IT WAS THE HARD, HARD ONE TO GIVE RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, BUT YOU DID. WELL, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO WE HAVE A ELEPHANT FOR YOU. JUST KIND OF REMEMBER YOUR FIRST TIME YOU PRESENTED TO US, AND SO HERE WE GO. WE'LL GET A PICTURE HERE. CHIEF OF STAFF. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU ALL. MY. GOD, I THOUGHT YOU WERE BETTER THAN MARY. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WELL DONE. TAKES US TO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. [B. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the FY 2023-24 Operating Budget, Capital Improvement Program, and Five-Year Financial Forecast for Denton Municipal Electric. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 45 minutes]] ITEM BE ID 24114. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE FY 20 2324 OPERATING BUDGET, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND FIVE YEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST FOR DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL TONY PUENTE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY JUST RUNDOWN ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. AND WHAT DM HAS DONE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. SO THE LAST SEVEN YEARS DM HAS CERTAINLY BROUGHT IN NEW REVENUES TO THE UTILITY AND TO THE CITY. WE'VE RECOVERED QUITE A BIT OF, OF EXPENSES THAT NEEDED TO BE REIMBURSED TO THE UTILITY, REDUCED OPERATING EXPENSES REPRIORITIZE CIP, AND THEN WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WE'VE ALSO PURSUED LITIGATION WITH THE PCT AND A NUMBER OF OTHER ENTITIES OUT THERE. WELL, IN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO RECOVER OR RETAIN AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. ALL THAT WAS DONE IN THE FACE OF INCREASING ENERGY COSTS, INCREASING TRANSMISSION COSTS, AS YOU KNOW, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD AND COME TO YOU ASKING FOR MORE AUTHORITY TO BUY MORE TRANSFORMERS. TRANSFORMERS TODAY COST 250% MORE THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO. AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH COMING. SO CERTAINLY GROWTH IS IS A BIG PRESSURE ON THE UTILITY. AND THEN FINALLY, I KNOW WE DON'T THINK ABOUT COMPETITION AS SOMETHING THAT WE FACE, BUT WE CERTAINLY FACE COMPETITION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW DEVELOPMENT, EXPANDING OUR SERVICE TERRITORY BUT ALSO IN RECRUITING AND HIRING QUALIFIED ENGINEERS AND LINEMEN AS WELL. IT'S PRETTY COMPETITIVE OUT THERE. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT COMPETITIVE PAY ISSUES AND WE'VE WITH, WITH YOUR APPROVAL AND CERTAINLY WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT'S SUPPORT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. [00:55:04] AND, AND I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH LINEMEN, QUALIFIED LINEMEN TO PUT UP THE TRANSFORMERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE COSTING US 250% MORE. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO GO THROUGH TODAY'S PRESENTATION AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. I WANT TO START OFF QUICKLY, JUST SHOWING YOU KIND OF WHERE THE WHERE THE AVERAGE UTILITY RATE BILL HAS BEEN AND WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE PRIOR TO 2018 DME WAS ACTUALLY INCREASING RATES SINCE 2018 AND 19, WE ACTUALLY DECREASED RATES. AND AND THEN WE'VE WE'VE HELD THOSE RATES STEADILY OVER THE LAST FOUR, ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW. AND THEN WHERE DO WE WHERE DO WE STAND IN THE MARKETPLACE. SO IN THE MARKETPLACE, DME IS ONE OF THE LOWEST COST MSAS IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS. OUR CURRENT AVERAGE BILL FOR AN AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER AT 1000 KILOWATT HOURS A MONTH IS $106 ONLY. KERRVILLE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN THAN WE ARE. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE ALL THE OTHER MOU. SO CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN A STEADY INCREASE IN RATES ACROSS THE ENTIRE MOU INDUSTRY, BUT CERTAINLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE ELECTRIC INDUSTRY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. ON THE RIGHT SIDE HERE WILL BE SHOWN TO YOU IS HOW DO WE COMPARE? WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER OURSELVES AND CERTAINLY WITH OUR RENEWABLE RESOURCE PLAN, 100% RENEWABLE UTILITIES. SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT IS BEING OFFERED BY BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHEN IT COMES TO 100% RENEWABLE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE THE CHEAPEST WHEN WE COMPARE OURSELVES TO, TO THE PRIVATE AND PRIVATE SECTOR WHEN IT COMES TO THAT TYPE OF RATE. THEN WE FURTHER WENT AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT, WHAT'S BEING OFFERED IN THE OVERALL COMPETITIVE MARKET. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO CHOICE WITHIN, WITHIN MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. BUT WE DO COMPARE OURSELVES. AND SO OUR CURRENT RATE IS ABOUT 10.7 CENTS. THIS IS AS OF DECEMBER OF 23 OUT IN THE COMPETITIVE MARKET FOR A 12 MONTH CONTRACT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 15.1 CENTS PER KILOWATT AND 24 MONTH CONTRACT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 14.7. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE EBB AND FLOW. BUT CERTAINLY I THINK WHEN WHEN OUR RATEPAYERS LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF COMPARISONS, THEY CERTAINLY GET A LOT MORE BANG FOR THEIR BUCK. BEING CUSTOMERS OF MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC AND BEING IN THE CITY OF DENTON. SO, SO WHY ARE WE HERE? SO, SO ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THAT WE HAD A WE HAD A TOUGH SUMMER, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PRESENT TO YOU DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE LET YOU KNOW THAT USUALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS IS WHEN WE HAVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR EXPENSES, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR REVENUES. AND SO MANY TIMES WE'RE WAITING BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION UNTIL AFTER AFTER THAT SUMMER PERIOD. AND SO AFTER WE'VE CLOSED THE YEAR OUT WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE END OF THE YEAR. AND, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT WHAT WE SAW PRINCIPALLY DURING THE MONTH OF AUGUST, BUT CERTAINLY JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, WE ACTUALLY SAW AN INCREASE IN LOAD THAT WE HAD TO SERVE. SO POWER TO OUR CUSTOMERS INCREASE AS YOU MIGHT. RECALL, TEMPERATURES WERE IN EXCESS OF 110 DEGREES, AND THEY STAYED HOTTER OR HOT EVEN LATER INTO THE EVENINGS, INTO THE SIX AND 10 P.M. TIME FRAME, WHEN NORMALLY WE START SEEING A DECREASE IN DEMAND, WE ACTUALLY SAW AN INCREASE IN DEMAND FROM OUR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE INTERMITTENCY THAT EXIST IN THE MARKET TODAY. THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL THERMAL ENERGY THAT HAD TO BE BROUGHT ONLINE AS A RESULT PRICES HIT THE CAP. NOW, FORTUNATELY, THE ERCOT DID CHANGE THE CAP. THE LEGISLATURE DID CHANGE THE PRICE CAP FROM 9000 THAT WE SAW, IF YOU REMEMBER, DURING YURI, DOWN TO $5,000. BUT CERTAINLY WE WERE BUYING ENERGY DURING THAT TIME AND MANY HOURS OF THAT TIME AT $5,000 A MEGAWATT HOUR. WE DID. WHILE THE DEC DID PERFORM VERY WELL, WE DID SEE SOME D RATE OF, OF THE OF SOME OF OUR ENGINES. AND WE LOST ABOUT 20MW OF POTENTIAL POWER, COSTING US ABOUT ALMOST $10 MILLION IN REVENUE. BUT OVERALL THE FACILITY PERFORMED WELL. AND SO WHAT, WHAT ATTRIBUTED TO SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THIS CERTAINLY ERCOT AND IN THE OVERALL ELECTRIC MARKET, THERE'S BEEN CHANGES. MANY OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH A FOCUS ON RELIABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE POWER STAYS ON AT ANY COST. AND SO THE WHAT'S CALLED THE INDEPENDENT MARKET MONITOR, THE IMN HAS PROJECTED THAT THROUGH SOME OF THESE MORE CONSERVATIVE PRACTICES THAT ERCOT HAS ENGAGED IN, AND CERTAINLY WITH THE OFFERING OF NEW ANCILLARY SERVICES, THERE'S BEEN AN ADDITIONAL 8 TO $12 BILLION OF COST INTO THE TEXAS ELECTRIC MARKET, INTO THE INTO THE ERCOT GRID MARKET. IF WE TAKE THAT, THAT 8 TO 12 BILLION AND WE COMPARE IT TO WHAT OUR LOAD SHARE IS OF OF THE TOTAL MARKET, THAT WOULD REPRESENT ABOUT 40 TO $60 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL COST TO OUR RATEPAYERS HERE LOCALLY. SO CERTAINLY THAT HAD AN IMPACT THIS SUMMER. AND CERTAINLY WHAT HAPPENED, THE FINANCIALS THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND. [01:00:04] AND WE'RE NOT ALONE. CERTAINLY AUSTIN ENERGY HAS PUBLICLY COME OUT AND SAID THAT DURING THAT PERIOD, THEY LOST IN EXCESS OF $151 MILLION. OTHER UTILITIES. AS WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, BOND COUNCILS THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO VERY SIMILAR THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN FINANCING SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL COST THAT WAS UNPLANNED AND NOT PREDICTABLE DURING THIS SUMMER. SO IN LOOKING AT OUR FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE LOOK AT THIS FUND AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THIS FUND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS WE REALLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FUND ON AN AGGREGATE BASIS. CERTAINLY. I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY HOW WE MORE TRADITIONALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS FUND. BUT OVERALL, THE FUND LOST $31 MILLION. AND AS WE LOOK AT, AT THAT PERFORMANCE AND HOW THAT BROKE OUT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE COST CENTERS THE WAY WE'VE BROKEN THIS OUT FOR YOU IS WE'VE WE HAVE A FACILITY CHARGE AND A USAGE CHARGE THAT GO TO PAY FOR FIXED OPERATING EXPENSES. THAT ACTUALLY MADE ABOUT $33 MILLION. THE DATA CENTER. AND CERTAINLY WE CAN TALK IN CLOSED SESSION IF WE NEED TO ABOUT THE SPECIFICS HERE, BUT THE DATA CENTER CORE SCIENTIFIC ACTUALLY NETTED $2.3 MILLION OF POSITIVE NET INCOME TO THE CITY. THAT WENT TO OFFSET SOME OF THIS LOSS. AND THEN I SEPARATED OUT THE TRANSMISSION TO OTHERS. SO THESE ARE COSTS THAT WE'RE PAYING TO OTHER CUSTOMERS. EXCUSE ME, TO OTHER TRANSMISSION SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE STATE. AND I BROKE THAT OUT TO JUST SHOW YOU WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE GOING INTO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING HERE TODAY. YES, SIR. I'M SORRY, TONY, I WOULD I WOULD NORMALLY NOT INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO STAY THE REPORTING. I WANT IT TO BE TIGHT. WE DIDN'T LOSE 31 MILLION. WE SPENT MORE THAN BUDGETED. RIGHT? IS THAT WHEN YOU SAY LOST, THAT MEANS MORE THAN JUST. WE SPENT MORE THAN WE HAD BUDGETED. BUT. SO WE HAVE MORE EXPENSES THAN WE DID REVENUES. SO WE HAVE TO DRAW DOWN FUND BALANCE. THERE WE GO. OKAY. JUST JUST WANTED TO BECAUSE I COULD ALREADY SEE IT. THEY LOST THEM. YEAH. YOU KNOW SO I WENT OKAY THANK YOU. AND THEN AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT OUR ENERGY COSTS, WE HAVE TWO, TWO SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT GO TO OFFSET ENERGY COSTS. AND THAT'S OUR ECA REVENUE AND ALSO REVENUE FROM OUR DENTON ENERGY CENTER. OBVIOUSLY WE ALSO HAVE REVENUES FROM FROM OUR RENEWABLES AS WELL. BUT THE NET LOSS THERE FOR FOR THE ENERGY COST WAS $42 MILLION. AND SO THE NET OF THIS WAS $31 MILLION. AND WE'VE BROKEN THIS OUT BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING AS IT RELATES TO THESE PASS THROUGH CHARGES BOTH FOR ENERGY AND FOR TRANSMISSION AS WELL. AND SO THEN WE PROVIDE IT TO YOU AS PART OF A LEGAL STATUS REPORT, WHAT THE FRANCHISE FEE AND ROIS WERE FROM FROM CORE SCIENTIFIC. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. SO, SO GOING INTO KIND OF THE FINANCIAL ASSUMPTIONS GOING INTO THIS NEW PROFORMA. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CERTAINLY WE'VE LOOKED AT HOW WE'RE MANAGING THIS FUND, MOVING AWAY FROM MORE OF AN AGGREGATE MANAGEMENT OF FUND TO MORE TRADITIONAL LOOKING AT THOSE FIXED COSTS, ENERGY COSTS DATA CENTER COSTS, TRANSMISSION COSTS, AND LOOKING AT THOSE INDEPENDENTLY AND HOW WE MANAGE THE FUND OVERALL. PART OF THIS ASSUMPTION INCLUDES FINANCING OVER, OVER FIVE YEARS, THE $31.26 MILLION DRAWDOWN AND FUND BALANCE, AS THE MAYOR HAS ACCURATELY IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU RELATED TO THE ENERGY COST ADJUSTMENT RATE IMPLEMENTING BASICALLY A HALF A MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT TO THAT RATE AND THEN GOING FULL YEAR RECOVERY THEREAFTER. SAME WITH THE TRANSMISSION COST RECOVERY. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT I'LL MENTION HERE IN THESE ASSUMPTIONS, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU THIS LAST SUMMER ABOUT A $75 MILLION DME CAMPUS RENOVATION. WE'VE ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT PROJECT FROM THIS PROFORMA AND ACTUALLY ONLY REDUCED IT TO $10 MILLION. THAT $10 MILLION WILL BE TO TO DO LAND ACQUISITION AND ALSO THEN DO A CONCEPT PLAN. AND THEN AS WE GO FORWARD AND THE BUDGET PROCESS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WE'LL SEE. WE'LL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO KIND OF PIECEMEAL THAT PROJECT IN BY PRIORITIZING SOME OF OUR NEEDS. AND THEN KIND OF DOING THAT VERY SYSTEMATICALLY AND, AND CERTAINLY WITH OUR RATEPAYERS IN MIND. SO OUR PROFORMA THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DEVELOPED AND PRESENTED HERE TO YOU TODAY REALLY IS, IS IS REALLY LOOKING AT A FIVE LOOKING AT THIS AT A FIVE YEAR BASIS IS HOW CAN WE GET BACK TO FINANCIAL STABILITY OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. AND SO THIS IS WHAT THIS PROFORMA DOES THAT BY FISCAL YEAR 2030 WE MEET ALL OUR METRICS BEING THAT WE ARE ABOVE OUR DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE RATIO REQUIREMENT OF 1.5 TIMES, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ABOVE THE MINIMUM FUND BALANCE. SO OUR FUND BALANCE WOULD BE 170 MILLION BY FISCAL YEAR 20 OF 2030. [01:05:06] WHEN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS 169. AND SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE DO THAT PRINCIPALLY BY FINANCING THIS $31 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. THAT'S AN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE OF INITIAL $7 MILLION THAT WE WOULD PAY OVER THAT FIVE YEAR TERM. WE ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, WHAT'S EMBEDDED IN HERE, IT ASSUMES THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, WE'RE RECOVERING HALF OF THE PURCHASE POWER COST AND HALF OF THE TRANSMISSION COST. BUT THEN BEGINNING FISCAL YEAR 25, THEREAFTER, IT'S 100% RECOVERY. SO WE WILL HAVE AN ECA RATE, A TCF RATE THAT RECOVERS 100% OF THOSE COSTS GOING FORWARD. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE STILL ASSUME AN ADDITIONAL 5.5% BASE RATE INCREASE. AND I JUST WANT TO CAUTION THAT THAT IS AN ESTIMATE. IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE'VE NOT REALLY TAKEN A LOOK, A DEEP DIVE AT ALL OUR BUDGET. AND WE CERTAINLY NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH OUR O&M SIDE, OUR OPERATING SIDE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE FROM A CIP STANDPOINT. THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO TO TO MOVE OUT AND REPRIORITIZE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON WHAT THAT FINAL PERCENTAGE IS THAT WE PRESENT BACK TO YOU SOMETIME THIS SUMMER. SO FISCAL YEAR 24 BACKWARDS. SO SO THE ECA, THIS IS WHAT THE ECA LOOKS LIKE. SO WHAT IS THE ECA? SO THE ECA IS REALLY A A PASS THROUGH. SO CHARGES OR POWER THAT WE BUY ON BEHALF OF OUR CUSTOMERS, THEN WE HAVE TO RECOVER. AND SO IT'S SIMPLY A PASS THROUGH. RIGHT. SO SO THAT'S WHAT THE ECA IS INTENDED TO TO PAY FOR. SAME THING WITH THE TCF. THE TCF, THE TRANSMISSION COST RECOVERY FACTOR IS ALSO A PASS THROUGH. WE HAVE CHARGES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY TO OTHER TRANSMISSION SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE STATE, AND THEY'RE PAID FOR BY OUR CUSTOMERS. SO WE HAVE TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS TO WHAT WE'RE CHARGING OUR CUSTOMERS EVERY MONTH. AND SO THE ECA CURRENTLY SITS AT THREE POINT FOUR ONE CENTS. IT WOULD GO TO 4.4 $0.07 AND AND 24 AGAIN BASED ON OUR CURRENT ESTIMATES. AND THEN YOU SEE WHERE IT GOES GOING FORWARD INTO FISCAL YEAR 23, ALL THESE ARE ESTIMATES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE YEAR, REALLY EVERY QUARTER. BECAUSE THE CALCULATION IS DONE EVERY QUARTER THE TCF HAS BEEN SUSPENDED WHEN IT WAS BACK IN 2018 WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT THAT WAS IN EFFECT, WAS ACTUALLY LESS THAN A CENT AT .37 OF A CENT IT WOULD GO TO .88 IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND IN FISCAL YEAR 24, BEGINNING IN APRIL. AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO 1.7 $0.09 THEREAFTER IN FISCAL YEAR 25 AND, AND BEYOND. WE DO HAVE CURRENTLY A RATE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE DO PLAN TO COME BACK TO YOU IN MARCH TO ASK YOU ASK THE PUB AND ASK YOU TO SET THAT RATE. AND SO WE'LL BE RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES ON THAT RATE ORDINANCE AND PROPOSING A RATE SETTING DELEGATION PROCESS FOR THE COUNCIL ON HOW HOW WE NEED TO SET THAT. AND WHO'S AUTHORIZED TO DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S THE PUB OR THE COUNCIL WANTS TO RETAIN THAT AUTHORITY. WE'LL WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU FOR FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. AND WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE AVERAGE BILL? CERTAINLY OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION. SO BACK BACK IN FISCAL YEAR 2014, THE AVERAGE BILL THAT 1000 KILOWATT HOUR CUSTOMER WAS PAYING WAS ABOUT $100.93. THAT EQUATED TO ABOUT A 10.1 CENT PER KILOWATT CHARGE EVERY MONTH. WE'VE BEEN AT $106.59 IN FISCAL YEAR 2019, SO ABOUT 10.7 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR IS WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN PAYING ON A MONTHLY BASIS AT THIS AVERAGE CUSTOMER. OUR PROPOSAL TODAY WOULD TAKE THAT BILL TO AN ANNUALIZED $116.29. THAT'S ABOUT AN 8.3% INCREASE ANNUALIZED, OR ABOUT 11.6 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. AND IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WHEN WE GO TO A FULL, FULL RECOVERY ON THE ECA AND TCF, THAT WOULD GO TO $137.59. THAT'S ABOUT $21.30 COMPARED TO WHERE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THAT'S ABOUT A 15.1 CENT 51, 15.1% INCREASE, OR 13.8 CENTS, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT 13.8 CENTS COMPARES TO ABOUT A 15 CENT PER KILOWATT HOUR ON A 12 MONTH CONTRACT. OUT IN THE OUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WHAT THE IOUS ARE CHARGING. AND THEN WHERE DO WE COME? HOW DO WE COMPARE AFTER THIS RATE? SO WE CERTAINLY FALL TO THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMPARATIVE MAS. JUST REMEMBER THAT THESE RATES THAT THE OTHER MAS ARE CHARGING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO INCREASE THEIR RATES. AND SO WE WON'T BE QUITE, QUITE IN THE MIDDLE. WE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT STILL ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THE OTHER MAS. [01:10:01] AND THEN WE FALL A LITTLE BIT BELOW WHERE WE WERE AT THE TOP ON OUR COMPARABLE 100% RENEWABLE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD END UP IN FISCAL YEAR 25, ONCE, ONCE THE ECA AND THE TCF IS FULLY RECOVERING COSTS. SO GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, CERTAINLY THERE'S A NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH. WE HAVE A COST OF SERVICE STUDY THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE FIXED COSTS. AND HOW ARE THOSE ALLOCATED ALLOCATED ACROSS OUR OUR RATE CLASSES? WE DO ALSO HAVE A VALUE OF SOLAR STUDY THAT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. THAT'S TO ADDRESS HOW THE UTILITY COMPENSATES THOSE THAT HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR. AND THEN CERTAINLY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT PROCESS THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING GROUP. AND IN LOOKING AT OUR OPERATING REVIEW ALONG WITH POSSIBLE COST REDUCTION OPTIONS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT GOING INTO, INTO THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. SO TODAY, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE THAT YOU GIVE US AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A $31.626 MILLION ISSUANCE OF COMMERCIAL PAPER INITIALLY, AND THEN WE WOULD FINANCE THAT WITH LONG TERM BONDS WITH A TERM OF FIVE YEARS. ALSO ADJUSTING THE ECA AND REINSTATING THE TCF TO MAKE THE EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST. WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU IN MARCH TO FORMALLY DO THAT EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST. AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE TO AMEND THE BUDGET BASED ON OUR ON OUR NEW FORECAST. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DECIDES TO BRING THAT NOW OR WAIT TILL AFTER THE BUDGET PROCESS OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE THEIR THEIR PREROGATIVE, AND WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THAT. SO WITH THAT CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. AND BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO I DO WANT TO CIRCLE BACK. JUST HOUSE CLEANING FINANCIAL STABILITY. THE THE DME IS STABLE. IT'S BASICALLY MEANING GETTING BACK TO THE SUGGESTED FUND BALANCE, THAT SORT OF THING. RIGHT. JUST BUILDING THAT BACK UP SO THAT IT'S WHERE THE WHERE THE SUGGESTED LEVELS. YES, SIR. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS TRACKING WITH YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND THEN COUNCILMAN MELTZER. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION. WHY ARE WE WAITING TILL 25 TO START FULL RECOVERY OF THE TCCF AND PCA? YEAH, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF KEEPING OUR CUSTOMERS IN MIND AND TRYING TO TO EASE, EASE INTO THAT COST AND WHAT THE RATE IMPACT WOULD BE. OKAY, I ASSUME SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS PURELY WITH THE CUSTOMERS AND NINE NOT HITTING THEM IN THE POCKET WITH A STARK DROP OR STARK INCREASE. AND. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO ON ON SOME OF THE TABLES THAT WE SAW, WERE THOSE CPI ADJUSTED? SO LIKE ON THE, ON THE THE BILL. 3 OR 4 BACK. THAT ONE. ARE THOSE $2014 OR $2020 OR THEY'RE JUST DOLLARS? YEAH, THEY'RE CURRENT DOLLARS. THAT'S ALL $2,024. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO I ASKED SO THEY'RE COMPARABLE WITH CPI ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. THEN A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. BECAUSE THE CLIMATE PROJECTIONS ARE YOU ALL KNEW I WAS GOING TO GO HERE, THAT THE CLIMATE PROJECTIONS ARE GOING UP IF OUR ENERGY COSTS ARE GOING UP DUE TO BOTH CLIMATE AND POPULATION INCREASES, THEN DO WE EXPECT THE THE DECK GOING OFFLINE? AS MUCH OR MORE BECAUSE THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES HAPPENED AS LAST SUMMER? WELL, SO SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN IS THAT, I MEAN, TRADITIONALLY OUR LOAD GROWTH PROJECTIONS HAVE BEEN ABOUT 2.5%. WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR WAS IN EXCESS OF 8%. AND SO WE'VE ADJUSTED THE AMOUNT OF LOAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SERVE OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO 8% AND THEN 2% THEREAFTER. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU AS IT RELATES TO THE DECK IS THAT WE ACTUALLY ANTICIPATE THE DECKS LIKELY GOING TO RUN MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE OF RENEWABLES IN THE MARKET AND SOME OF THE INTERMITTENCY THAT EXISTS IN THE MARKET TODAY. YEAH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE EFQM MODEL. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BRING THAT BACK AS SOME SORT OF STAFF REPORT TO COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE REST OF US. AND THEN THE DON'T DUMBING DOWN KEEP KEEP IT GET KEEP IT AT A HIGH LEVEL. AND SO TWO MORE QUESTIONS. [01:15:01] THE THE IT AND YOU. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS AN OPEN OR CLOSED SESSION, SO I'LL ASK IT WITHOUT SAYING A NUMBER. THE, THE FUEL COSTS. IS THAT A IS THAT A CLOSED SESSION. NUMBER. SO SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CLOSED SESSION NUMBER, BUT WE'VE BUT WE HAD TO AGGREGATE IT AND BECAUSE OF THE POWER COST FOR, FOR CORE. AND SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR CLOSED SESSION PACKET. OKAY. AND THEN. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT A CLOSED SESSION, BUT AS I RECALL THEN IT WAS ABOUT 12 MILLION IN FUEL COSTS. YEAH. YEAH, ABOUT 12 TO 16 MILLION. I'M TRYING TO YEAH. SO SO WE SO SO LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE BIT OVER 11 MILLION. AND WHAT WE PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR IS ALMOST $29 MILLION OF FUEL EXPENSES FOR THE DECK. OKAY. AND SO THAT AND NEAR OR OVER DOUBLING. YEAH. OKAY. AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE FORWARD PROGRESSION FOR, FOR GASES. ARE WE EXPECTING THAT TO GET WORSE? TO GET BETTER? YEAH. YEAH. THE PRICE HAS ACTUALLY COME DOWN QUITE A BIT. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER $5 I THINK A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO NOW IT'S BELOW $2 AN MMBTU. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS I APPRECIATE THAT. WE'RE TO TO MAKE A POND. WE'RE CURTAILING THE THE CAMPUS IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE SELF CONTAINMENT, BUT I 5 MILLION. I KNOW YOU GUYS FIVE, 5 MILLION FOR LAND ACQUISITION SEEMS FAIRLY REASONABLE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND 5 MILLION IN IN CONCEPT PLANS. IT'S REALLY 5 MILLION TO DESIGN A CAMPUS. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, NORMALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 10% OF THE TOTAL COST IS KIND OF WHAT YOU LOOK AT FOR CONCEPT AND DESIGN AND THAT THAT SORT OF WORK. SO AGAIN, IT'S IT'S A BALLPARK FIGURE THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. BUT CERTAINLY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $5 MILLION, WE WON'T. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL BE I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE WE GET TO ON ON THE FINAL NUMBERS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER. YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO CLARIFY ONE POINT THAT THE $2,024 ARE 20, $24 AND I'M SURE OR I'M, I'M THINKING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT EACH YEAR IS THE ACTUAL BILL OF THAT YEAR. CORRECT? YES. IT'S NOT ADJUSTED. YES. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN RETROSPECT, LIKE, WOW, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PRICE DECREASES AND KEEP IT SO LOW. I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ANYTHING AROUND WE CAN THINK OF THAT'S STILL OPERATING AT 2015, BETTER THAN 2015 PRICES. I MEAN, AND SO INVARIABLY SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER. WE'RE BEARING SOME RISK, RIGHT? IT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR ERROR. NOW, THE PART OF THE HIGH LEVEL, IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THE HIGH LEVEL MATH, AND I'M SURE ALL THE NUMBERS ARE THERE, BUT AS I JUST TRY TO FOLLOW, HAD WE BEEN 10% HIGHER, LIKE, I FORGET WHO ELSE YOU SAID HAD A 10%, MISS WE WOULD HAVE COVERED. I GET THAT WE HAVE TO FINANCE THE MISS TO GET TO OUR PREFERRED RESERVE LEVELS. WE HAVE TO FINANCE THE MISS, AND THEN WE WANT A LITTLE. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO NOT BE AS EXPOSED GOING FORWARD. SO I GET HOW 10% WOULD. YOU KNOW, I SHOULD PUT YOU IN THAT KIND OF BETTER PROTECTED POSITION. BUT I DON'T GET HOW WE NEED TO GO TO 25 AND 30%. YOU KNOW, WHEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRUING UP TO THE REAL OPERATING RISKS AND COVERING THE ONE YEAR'S MISS, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE THE THE BIG PARTS OF THE MATH. YEAH, I THINK CERTAINLY WHAT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON ON THE OVERALL RATE IS THE FINANCING THE $7 MILLION A YEAR THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE HIT. IT'S ABOUT TEN, ROUGHLY 10% OF THAT OVERALL. YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY WHAT, 2020 SOME ODD PERCENT INCREASE. THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE HERE IS, IS WE STILL HAVE THE WINTER STORM URI THAT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SERVICE WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT THE DATA CENTER PROJECT WAS GOING TO COVER A MAJORITY OF THAT. WHAT'S WHAT'S ASSUMED HERE IS NOT NOT THAT THE DATA CENTER HAS FULLY DEVELOPED, BUT IT JUST THAT CONTINUES TO OPERATE AT THE CURRENT LEVEL. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO TO OPERATE AND ALSO BUILD OUT THE REST OF THE FACILITY. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF ONE DATA POINT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WE GO. HERE IS WHAT WHAT IS COR GOING TO DO? WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE EXCESS REVENUES. AND SO CERTAINLY THOSE TWO ARE THE BIGGEST PRESSURES GOING ON HERE. IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, WE'D BE LOOKING PROBABLY AT A 2.5% TYPE OF RATE INCREASE EVERY YEAR JUST TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION AND STAFF INCREASES. SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE HERE AND. [01:20:04] AND SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO A FINAL RECOMMENDATION, WE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE MORE ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT REALLY TOO SOON. YES, SIR. SO, SO SO WE'RE HOPING THAT BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO YOU IN THE SUMMER, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE LINE OF SIGHT ON THAT. SO ALTHOUGH I JUST WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DANGER, IF YOU WILL, IN TAKING SOME OF THESE FINITE REVENUE SOURCES AND COUNTING THEM TO OFFSET OPERATING EXPENSES. AND SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE COMMUNICATED IN THE PAST IS THAT IT PROBABLY WILL MAKE MORE SENSE AS THOSE REVENUES GO TO OFFSET FUTURE CAPITAL, AND THEREBY THE BENEFIT IS REDUCED DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. AND THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT COUNTING ON IT FOR FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS. AND SO AGAIN, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT WHAT WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE DATA CENTER HAPPENS. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OF THE MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THE REGIONAL BENEFITS THAT DME PROVIDES, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT DENTON FINDS ITSELF CITY OF DENTON AND DME BY PROXY IN THE MIDDLE OF A KIND OF WE SERVE BOTH BOTH ROLES. WE'RE A LARGE CITY TO OUR SMALLER NEIGHBORS. WE'RE A SMALL CITY TO OUR DALLAS FORT WORTH, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT WE REALLY ARE LEANED ON BECAUSE OF THE POSITION WE'RE IN. AND SO I THINK WE'VE HELPED PEOPLE WITH TRANSFORMERS, AND THEN THEY KIND OF HAVE SUPPLEMENTED THOSE BACK TO US. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP KEEP ALL PLATES SPINNING. BUT CAN YOU TOUCH ON KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE FROM A REGIONAL ASPECT? YEAH. SO, SO CERTAINLY THERE IS A MUTUAL AID THAT, THAT, THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN, NOT JUST HERE INTRASTATE, BUT CERTAINLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HELPING OTHER UTILITIES WITH RESOURCES AND CERTAINLY PERSONNEL DURING TIMES OF DISASTER. WE'VE RECENTLY ENTERED INTO A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH, WITH COSERV. THAT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE CALL OR CALL THEM OUR SISTER UTILITY. THEY'RE A COASTER RIGHT HERE NEXT DOOR TO US AND AND WORKING WITH THEM TO, TO PARTNER, TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT DURING EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. WE'VE ALSO WORKED CLOSELY WITH, WITH THE UNIVERSITIES TO ADDRESS CHALLENGES. BOTH UNIVERSITIES ACTUALLY HAVE SELF-CONTAINED DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS FOR, FOR, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEIR CAMPUSES. AND SO SOMETIMES WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING NEW FACILITIES, THEY RUN INTO SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AS WELL, JUST LIKE WE ARE. AND SO WE TRY TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON TRANSFORMERS AND POLES AND WIRES AND OTHER THINGS. AND WE ALSO TRY TO MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF OUR LINEMAN ENGINEERING EXPERTISE TO, TO HELP THEM MANAGE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND SO NOW REGIONALLY AND, AND STATEWIDE, WE CERTAINLY ARE PART OF A MUCH LARGER GRID. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON THE TRANSMISSION SIDE THAT NOT ONLY HELP OUT WITH OUR OUR LOCAL CUSTOMERS, BUT CERTAINLY CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS, AS ENERGY IS GOING THROUGH THESE LINES. AND SO AS, AS AS, AS THE STATE CONTINUES TO GROW, AN INTERESTING FACT THE STATE AS MUCH GROWTH AS WE'VE HAD IN THE CITY OF DENTON, THE STATE ACTUALLY GREW FASTER THAN WE DID, AND IT GREW SO MUCH FASTER THAN WE DID THAT OUR THAT WAS CALLED OUR LOAD RATIO. SHARE WHAT? OUR PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL GRID WE MAKE UP ACTUALLY WENT DOWN. RIGHT. AND SO SO THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING ISSUE THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE SO MUCH GROWTH HAPPENING HERE, BUT ACROSS THE STATE THERE'S SO MUCH ADDITIONAL GROWTH. AND SO SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS KIND OF REGIONALLY AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO HELP OUT NOT JUST SOME OF OUR, OUR PARTNER FACILITIES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT CERTAINLY WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN UTILITIES, WE'RE ALSO ASSISTING THEM WHERE WE CAN. AND IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND PROVIDING QSC SERVICES OR SERVICES RELATED TO TRANSMISSION OR DISTRIBUTION, WE'RE CERTAINLY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. NOTHING TO REPORT TO YOU AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ARE HAVING SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES HERE LOCALLY. EXCELLENT, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT, AND I MAY HAVE THE WRONG TERM, BUT I KNOW THAT THE THE FUNCTION IS IS ACCURATE. AND YOU'VE TOUCHED ON IT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT YOU MENTIONED THE D RATE. AND SO THAT I THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE AND GIVE ME THE RIGHT TERM IF I'M OFF. BUT KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DECK TO RUN AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO INCREASE THAT RUN TIME. BUT WHAT AFFECTS THAT RUN TIME OR JUST THOSE THOSE CAPS WHEN WE CAN AND CAN'T RUN IS WHAT I WANT TO TRY TO GET GET CLARITY ON. YEAH, THE ENGINEERS ARE JUST GOING TO KILL ME FOR SAYING THIS, BUT BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF HORSEPOWER, RIGHT. FOR FOR YOUR CAR IT'S VERY SIMILAR. SO THAT SO THE DECK, ALL 12 ENGINES CAN PRODUCE 225MW INSTANTANEOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN FIVE MINUTES. AND SO THOSE 12 ENGINES DURING THE HOTTEST TIME OF, OF THE DAY, PRODUCED 20MW LESS THAN THAT. [01:25:02] AND THEY WERE READY. SO THEY WERE PRODUCING 205MW INSTEAD OF 225. THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY D RATE. SO, SO THE HORSEPOWER THAT THE ENGINES HAD, BECAUSE IT GOT SO HOT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN. GOT IT. OKAY. THE ENGINEERS WILL KILL ME LATER BY COMPARING IT TO THE. YEAH I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT HIT FOR ME. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU ANSWERED MY LAST QUESTION ALREADY. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE WINTER STORM URI COMMERCIAL PAPER. AND SO WE'RE STILL MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS. SO? SO. GOT IT. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WELL POSITIONED. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMAN. BYRD. THIS IS A KINDERGARTEN LEVEL QUESTION. TRANSFORMERS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE PARTNER, I GOT THAT, BUT WHENEVER WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE, DO WE ALWAYS PURCHASE NEW OR. OR IS THERE A SUCH THING AS A REFURBISHED TRANSFORMER? THERE ARE REFURBISHED TRANSFORMERS, AND WE'RE ALSO NOT ONLY REFURBISHING OUR OWN TRANSFORMERS, BUT WE'RE ALSO BUYING REFURBISHED TRANSFORMERS WHEN WE CAN FROM OTHER PLACES. SO WE PREFER TO BUY REFURBISHED TRANSFORMERS FOR THE SAKE OF, YOU KNOW, FINANCING OR. NO, WE WOULD WE WOULD PREFER NEW. WE WOULD PREFER BRAND NEW TRANSFORMERS. YOU GET THE MAXIMUM LIFE OUT OF THOSE. AND SO THE FAILURE RATE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THOSE AND ON THE REFURBISHED. BUT BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK, I THINK RIGHT NOW, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT TRANSFORMERS THAT ARE MADE IN CHINA. WE ARE LIMITING SOME OF THOSE PURCHASES, BUT WE'RE BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CREATIVE AND PUTTING A LOT OF A LOT OF ORDERS IN PLACE. SOME, SOME OF THE, THE LEAD TIMES ON THESE ARE 3 TO 5 YEARS. AND SO, SO, SO WHAT WE WHAT WE ORDER TODAY, WE WON'T SEE FOR ANOTHER 3 TO 5 YEARS OKAY. BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO STAY IN LINE. GET GET IN LINE SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE TRANSFORMERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT VISION IN MY HEAD. YES, MA'AM. APPRECIATE THE KNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MCGEE. THE BIG TRANSFORMER SALESMAN. OKAY. SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION. LAST YEAR, LED BY THE MAYOR, A FEW OF US WENT TO DC TO ADVOCATE FOR BRINGING DOWN THE THE THE LEAD TIME ON BEING ABLE TO GET TRANSFORMERS. DID ANYTHING ACTUALLY HAPPEN WITH THAT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE WERE SAYING WE WERE 2 TO 3 YEARS OUT. I HEARD YOU JUST SAY, NOW WE'RE 3 TO 5 YEARS OUT. YEAH. SO SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A VERY POSITIVE MOVEMENT. AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND WE HAVE ANDREW KIEFER. THAT'S ON STAFF THAT'S BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH OUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS ON THAT ISSUE. INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE THAT THAT DID NOT PASS. BUT WHAT WHAT IS MOVING FORWARD IS A SUSPENSION ON SOME EPA REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THE TRANSFORMER SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE EVEN WORSE. RIGHT. AND SO SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS INTERESTING FEDERAL LEGISLATION TO SUSPEND THOSE EPA REQUIREMENTS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN LET THE THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES SUBSIDE. I THINK EVENTUALLY THOSE RULES WILL GO INTO EFFECT. BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO SUSPEND THEM FOR NOW. AND A NUMBER OF LOCAL SENATORS HAVE HELPED US WITH THAT PROCESS. AND SO, SO THERE'S MOVEMENT ON THAT POSITIVE MOVEMENT THAT WE THINK THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. SO AS WE, MADAM CITY MANAGER, AS WE MAKE OUR PILGRIMAGE THIS YEAR, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN COACH US ON ADVOCATING FOR? I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN ALWAYS ADVOCATE NOT ONLY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT CERTAINLY AT THE STATE LEVEL, TO PUSH THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO SUPPORT. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THIS AND THIS, WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY AND THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING IN, IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR THEM TO FIND THE TRANSFORMERS TO PUT THE ELECTRICITY IN. SO IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US FROM AN ECONOMIC VITALITY STEP A LOT. SO YES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO TALK TO ANYONE YOU CAN TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF TRANSFORMERS, BECAUSE I KNOW EVEN OUR OWN FRIENDS AT TWU HAD TROUBLE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD TROUBLE, AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T REACH A POINT WHERE WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS. CAN YOU BY ANY CHANCE PUT SOMETHING IN A FRIDAY REPORT? JUST SO I WE ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WE NEED TO SAY AND HOW WE NEED TO ADVOCATE. YES, THAT WOULD BE I'LL ASK TONY AND HIS STAFF TO PUT SOMETHING IN. THE ONE ITEM THAT I WILL TELL YOU IS QUICKLY. SO SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZING OUR INVENTORY. AND SO, SO WE'VE SET AN INVENTORY THAT PREPARES US FOR TWO CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENTS THAT WOULD HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY HERE [01:30:02] IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, SO THE PRIORITY THERE IS TO PROTECT OUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS. AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE THEN PASSING FORWARD ANY DELAYS TO NEW DEVELOPMENT. NOW, WE'VE NOT HAD TO DO THAT. WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN TRANSFORMERS IN AND WE'VE GOTTEN CREATIVE IN THE TYPE OF TRANSFORMER WE, WE NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, WILL PUT IN A CERTAIN SIZE OF TRANSFORMERS WHAT WE, WHAT WE LIKE TO PUT IN. BUT BUT IF WE HAVE LARGER WE'LL DO THAT. AND SO WE, WE'VE TRIED TO GET CREATIVE TO ENERGIZE THOSE PROJECTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT STOPPING DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M GOING TO TRY MY NEW DME OUT THERE WITH THE MAYOR KNOWLEDGE. RIGHT? SO SO EVERYONE GET REAL NERVOUS. BUT SO THE TRANSFORMER SITS AT THE TOP OF THE POLE WHERE THE THE HIGHER VOLTAGE IS AND IT BRINGS IT STEPS DOWN THE VOLTAGE SO THAT THEN WE CAN RUN A LINE TO THE HOUSE AT THE LOWER VOLTAGE, EXCEPT WHEN THE LINES ARE UNDERGROUND AND IT'S ON THE GROUND. MAYOR THERE YOU GO. YEAH. LOOK AT THAT. OUTSTANDING. AND I LEARNED THAT HIGHER VOLTAGE DOESN'T CHARGE YOUR IPHONE FASTER. IT'S DANGEROUS. YES. SO MARK ZIMMER DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN. THAT WAS MY TWO TAKEAWAYS. YES SIR. YES SIR. AND THE SQUIRRELS AREN'T ACTIVE AT NIGHT. THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE ACTIVE DURING THE DAYTIME. SO IF SOMETHING GETS INTO THE BOX AT NIGHT IT'S NOT A SQUIRREL. I'M GOING TO GET INTO THE SQUIRREL BUSINESS. I'M GOING TO GET INTO BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE REAL MONEY IS. SO BECAUSE THEY'RE A PROBLEM. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM C OUR LAST WORK SESSION IS ITEM C. [C. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding a Crypto Mining Data Center Project. [Estimated Presentation/Discussion Time: 30 minutes]] ID 24217. RECEIVE REPORT, WHOLE DISCUSSION. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A CRYPTO MINING DATA CENTER PROJECT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM BILL SHEPHERD. I'M THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER OF BUSINESS SERVICES AT DMV. AND TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A PROPOSED CRYPTO MINING PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN NEXT TO OUR DD WELLS SUBSTATION. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS BACK IN 2022, WE WERE APPROACHED BY A MULTITUDE OF CRYPTO MINING COMPANIES WANTING PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME THING. THEY ALL WANTED TO LOCATE NEXT TO OUR SUBSTATION. THEY ALL WANTED ABOUT 20MW, AND THEY ALL WANTED TO BE ON CITY PROPERTY. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE EQUITABLE AMONGST THAT GROUP, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A CREATIVE APPROACH AND WE PUT OUT A WHAT WE CALLED A CAPACITY RFP OR A REVERSE RFP, AND WE GOT SOME SOLICITATIONS FROM THAT. AND WE HAVE IN THE LAST ABOUT A YEAR OR SO, WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE TOP PROSPECT OF THOSE OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT RFP. AND NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START SPENDING SOME SUBSTANTIAL MONEY, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU A LITTLE EARLIER THAN HAVING SOME OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION. SO THE PROJECT LOCATION, IT'S A LITTLE WELL, IT'S PROBABLY BIGGER ON YOURS, BUT LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE. THAT RED LINE IS IS THE OUTLINE OF OUR DD WELL, SUBSTATION THAT IS OUT IN OUR AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL PARK. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BEARINGS. THIS BOTTOM RIGHT IS THE PETERBILT PLANT. AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF OUR LOCATION IS THE TETRAPAK FACILITY. SO PRETTY MUCH NESTLED RIGHT IN AMONGST THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA. IT'S GOING TO BE AGAIN, HIGH SPEED COMPUTING, ABOUT 20MW IS THE LOAD VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT THAT WE ARE USED TO SEEING WITH THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSE UP OF OUR SUBSTATION. YOU CAN SEE THE THE TWO ACRES ROUGHLY BEHIND THE SUBSTATION, WHICH IS WHERE PREDOMINANTLY THE PROJECT'S GOING TO BE. AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THE MODULAR SETUP. SO THE ANT BOXES TYPE ARRANGEMENTS, WHICH YOU SEE A PICTURE OF RIGHT THERE. SO WITH THIS SIZE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DIRECT BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF DENTON ONE, IT'S ALIGNED WITH THE DENTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN BOTH IN ATTRACTING NEW BUSINESSES AND ATTRACTING THOSE BUSINESSES WITH THE HIGH ELECTRICITY DEMAND. IT ALSO PRODUCE A NET INCOME TO DME OF ABOUT $2.5 MILLION OVER THE FIVE YEAR INITIAL TERM. AND OVER THAT SAME TIME FRAME, EXPECT ESTIMATED REVENUE TO THE CITY FROM ROI AND FRANCHISE FEE JUST UNDER $5 MILLION FOR THE SAME TIME FRAME. MAJOR TERMS AND CONDITIONS. FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH A MUTUALLY AGREED UPON OPTION TO RENEW FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. LEASE RATES ABOUT $12,000 A YEAR, WHICH IS A MARKET RATE. AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESCALATE THAT DURING RENEWABLE RENEWABLE RENEWAL BASED ON CPI. GOT RENEWABLES ON THE GREEN. [01:35:01] AND THEN OF COURSE, THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS WILL ALL BE FULLY SECURITIZED AND WILL UTILIZE A PREPAY MODEL. SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE PREPAYING FOR THE BILLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUT THE NEXT MONTH. SO WITH THAT REALLY, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TO SEE IF WHAT YOUR DIRECTION FOR US MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE ON OUR PATH. THE CUSTOMER WILL START SPENDING SOME MORE MONEY ON ON THE GETTING THE PROJECT TO TO HOME PLATE ADDRESS ANY ZONING ISSUES IF NECESSARY. AND THEN I'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU VERY SHORTLY WITH A FINALIZED LEASE AND PPA TO BE EXECUTED. AND OF COURSE, THE ALSO THE RFP BID AWARD AND THEN THE OPTION TWO IS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, THAT IS THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR YOU. ALL GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM. COME ON. ALL ALL OF THAT SOUNDED VERY EXCITING, AND I'M REAL PLEASED TO HEAR ALL THAT. AND AND SO THEN YOU PUT DANNY MOVING FORWARD. PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THEN, AND TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD. WHY WE SHOULD DENY MOVING FORWARD. WELL, STAFF SUGGEST YOU DO MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I DID WANT TO AT LEAST PUT THAT UP THERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THE CUSTOMER IS AT A POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO START INVESTING SOME SUBSTANTIAL MONEY IN. WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS GET ALL THAT TOGETHER, HAVE THEM INVEST A LOT OF MONEY, AND THEN US COME FORWARD AND THE COUNCIL NOT BE FAVORABLE. AND SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY MEANS, MEANS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND WITH WITH WITH SOMETHING. YES, SIR. OKAY COUNT ME DOWN AS A AS A GO FOR IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE THE SAME SORT OF AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY STOPPED ME. IF WE, IF WE DRIFT OVER INTO CLOSED SESSION AREAS. BUT THE SAME SORT OF ARGUMENT IN TERMS OF WE WILL BE SUPPLYING POWER UNDER OUR EXISTING RENEWABLES POLICY TO THESE FOLKS. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT DIDN'T CHANGE FROM ANY PRIOR MINING FACILITY VERSUS THIS ONE. OKAY. AND THEN AND I THIS MAY BE A SCOTT QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE WE APPROVED THE DATA CENTER USE AS A NEW USE LAST YEAR, AND WE SET 60DB AT THE PROPERTY LINE OR THREE, THREE DECIBELS ABOVE AMBIENT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THREE THREE DECIBELS ABOVE AMBIENT. AGAIN, IT'S IN THE AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE FACTORIES. I DOUBT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT AT ALL IN THE AMBIENT, BUT THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. AND THEN ARE THESE AIR COOLED OR WATER COOLED? THESE ARE AIR COOLED. OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS THE REVENUE THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE FROM THAT IS THAT FOLLOW THE SAME BREAKDOWN PROPORTIONS THAT WE'RE USING THE REVENUE FOR CORE SCIENTIFIC. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN THAT FAR. I MEAN, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AS PART OF THE FINANCE PACKAGE MOVING FORWARD FOR THE BUDGET CYCLE. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT OUR BREAKDOWNS ARE FOR CORE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO HAVE THOSE. BUT THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION. IS THAT IS THE INTENT TO DO IT THE SAME DIFFERENT OR OR YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DIFFERENT YOU'LL BRING IT BACK. YEAH. YES. OKAY. THEN, I MEAN. I'M NOT GOING TO RELITIGATE THE ARGUMENTS OF TWO YEARS AGO. IT'S IF WE'RE NOT USING ADDITIONAL WATER AND WE'VE WE'VE COMPENSATED FOR SOUND BY PUTTING IT INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT'S, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA ANYWAY, THEN I THINK THE SAME ARGUMENTS HOLD. SO YOU CAN MARK ME DOWN AS MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WELL DONE. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MILFORD. YEAH, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. BUT IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE IS LISTENING IN. SO IF WE SAID NO, WE PRESUME THEY WOULD BUILD SOMEWHERE ELSE. YES. YES, SIR. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD ASSUMPTION. YEAH. AND IF AND IF THEY BUILD HERE WE'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW RETURNS WILL INCREASE TO RENEWABLE ENERGY PROVIDERS IF THEY WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHAT? NOT THAT REVENUE SOURCE. CERTAINLY. YEAH. REGULAR GENERATION. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A WEIRD TOPIC. I WISH I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE MADE ZILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. [01:40:04] AND EXCEPT IN A SCENARIO WHERE, YOU KNOW, FAITH IN ALL CURRENCIES GOES AWAY OR SOMETHING. BUT IF IF THESE GUYS HAVE RUN INTO THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEMS THAT CORE SCIENTIFIC DID, OR IF THE WORLD WAKES UP ONE DAY AND SAYS, OH, THIS ISN'T EVEN REAL MONEY. WHAT EXPOSURE DO WE HAVE? FINANCIAL EXPOSURE? LITTLE. NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LITTLE TO NO EXPOSURE. WE'RE GOING TO BE FULLY SECURITIZED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR FULL FREIGHT TO CONNECT TO US. SO REALLY OUR, OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS MANAGING THAT REVENUE STREAM. SO IT DOESN'T HURT IF AND WHEN IT GOES AWAY. RIGHT. BUT IN TERMS OF WE'RE NOT MAKING AN OUTLAY THAT'S AT RISK BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO OPERATE. CORRECT. AND IT'S A SMALLER IT'S MUCH SMALLER PROFILE THAN, THAN THE OTHER DATA CENTERS. SO I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT THEIR RISK PROFILE IS MUCH SMALLER AS WELL. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRY DOES MAKE SENSE. BUT FROM THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED AND FROM THE THE FACT THAT WE'RE TAKING A REALLY RIDICULOUS THING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE VERY HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTALLY AND PUTTING THEM ON RENEWABLES, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WE'LL DO WELL AND DO GOOD. SO I'M A YES. OKAY. ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE A YES, SO GO AHEAD AND PUT ME DOWN THERE. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. SO THAT'S YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOME RESULTS. WE'RE GOING TO REZONE. IT SEEMED LIKE IF IT'S IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA, WE WOULD ALREADY BE READY FOR THAT. SO IS THIS FOR THE MODULAR TYPE UNITS? IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. OKAY. SO THAT'LL COME. THAT'LL FLOW THROUGH ITS NORMAL CHANNELS. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. AND THEN DID WE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT A TIME FRAME WHEN WE SHOULD BE I'M MAKING MONEY OR LOSING MONEY OR, YOU KNOW, I EXPECT AS SOON AS THIS THIS MEETING IS DONE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM SO THEY CAN GO PUSH FAST FORWARD ON THEIR BUTTONS. OKAY. OPTIMISTICALLY, WE WANTED THEM TO BE UP AND RUNNING BY APRIL 1ST. I THINK REALISTICALLY, GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR ADDED THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DO FINALIZE PPA AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT MORE LIKE MAY OR JUNE. OKAY. AND THEN I SEE SOMETHING HERE ABOUT THE LEASE RATE, $12,000 A YEAR. THAT SEEMS KIND OF LIKE REALLY LOW TO ME EITHER WAY, WHICHEVER WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE $12,000, $500 A YEAR IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. NO, IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT'S A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. IT'S IT'S JUST OVER TWO ACRES. SO NOT A LOT. THAT'S LIKE $1,200 OF THAT ACREAGE IS AT MARKET RATE. THAT'S WHAT IT COMES OUT TO BE. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ABOVE MARKET RATE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA CUSHION. YEAH. BEYOND MARKET RATE WE TRY TO KEEP. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO FOR ANY KIND OF CITY PROPERTY THAT GOES AVAILABLE. IT HAS TO BE AT THE MARKET AT THE MARKET RATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN PREPAY ACCOUNT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY US AHEAD LIKE AND THEN SO OKAY, I KNOW THAT. AND THEN IF, IF IT'S MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING, IS THERE A REBATE BACK TO THEM OR DO WE KNOW IT'LL JUST STAY IN THE FUND. IT'LL BE THERE'LL BE A CUSHION THERE SO WE CAN ABSORB ANY KIND OF VARIABILITY FOR THAT NEXT MONTH'S USAGE. OKAY. AND DID WE DID I MISS SOMETHING ABOUT RATE OF RETURN OR RETURN? HOW WHEN WHEN SHOULD WE START SEEING AGAIN? YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE. YES. AS SOON AS THE THE METERS START FLOWING, THE CITY WILL START SEEING ITS RATE OF RETURN AND FRANCHISE FEES, REVENUES. AND THEN DME WILL START SEEING ITS REVENUES AS WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER, YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, YEAH. THANKS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWERS, BUT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE OF OF SUPPLYING RENEWABLE ENERGY, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE BACKED ENERGY TO THIS PROJECT IS PART OF THE BRINGING ON OF ADDITIONAL RENEWABLES INTO PRODUCTION. IT WAS THAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT? IT'LL BE ABSORBED INTO OUR NORMAL PORTFOLIOS MOVING FORWARD. AND TERRY'S GROUP IS YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD AT LOOKING AT THAT FUTURE REQUIREMENT FOR SUPPLYING THOSE NEEDS. BUT, I MEAN, IN TERMS OF LIKE LOOKING AT IT MORE GLOBALLY, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THIS COMPETING FOR THE RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT'S BEING PRODUCED NOW OR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE MORE ENERGY, MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY PRODUCTION COMING [01:45:01] ONLINE? SO LET'S SAY IN TEXAS THAT SO THAT THIS IS THIS IS PART OF TAPPING INTO THAT ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION CAPACITY THAT'S COMING ONLINE. TERRY, YOU WANT TO TAKE A TAKE A HIT AT THAT? I HAVE A FOLLOW UP. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIGHT FALLING AND WIND BLOWING THROUGH THE TEXAS THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING CAPTURED AND TURNED INTO USABLE. ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER. YEAH. SO GREAT THING ABOUT LIVING IN TEXAS. WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE PRODUCER OF WIND ENERGY IN THE NATION, SOON TO BE THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF SOLAR ENERGY IN THE NATION AS WELL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. ERCOT CURRENTLY HAS INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENTS THAT WILL PRODUCE ANOTHER 200,000,000 MEGAWATT HOURS PER YEAR OF ADDITIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY. THIS FACILITY WILL USE LESS THAN 1%. SO THERE'S THERE'S LOTS MORE COMING. YEAH. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CORRESPONDING QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF IN THOSE PEAK USAGE MOMENTS IN A HURRY TYPE SITUATION. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BROWNOUTS BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY DOING ENERGY INTENSIVE PRINTING OF FUNNY MONEY? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO JUST LIKE MOST OF THE BUSINESSES IN THIS SPACE, THEY'RE VERY PRICE SENSITIVE. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH BITCOIN IS A CURRENTLY TRADING AT $45,000 A BITCOIN. THEY ARE THE NUMBER ONE COST OF PRODUCTION IS ELECTRICITY. AND SO WHEN ELECTRICITY PRICES GO ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, THEY SHUT DOWN. AND THE WAY THAT THE POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS STRUCTURED THEY WILL CURTAIL THEIR OPERATION DURING THOSE HIGH PRICE PERIODS AND PERIODS WHERE THERE'S HIGH DEMAND. AND IF THEY DON'T, IF IT'S A GREAT EMERGENCY SITUATION, WE CAN CURTAIL THEM. SO SO IT CAN EFFECTIVELY FUNCTION LIKE A DIMMER SWITCH WHEN WE NEED MORE ENERGY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BARTER. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BATTERY. IT IT SITS THERE. AND IF THE IF THE GRID NEEDS MORE ENERGY, THEY COME OFF. AND THAT ENERGY THAT WAS BEING CONSUMED BY THEM COULD BE USED BY OTHERS. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE MAYOR PRO TEM. TERRY, THIS IS FOR YOU, I THINK NOT, NOT FOR BILL. SORRY, BILL. SIMILAR. I'M FOLLOWING UP FROM THE CURTAILMENT. DO? WILL WE BE REQUIRED TO GET FXM CREDITS FOR ALL OF OUR OUR LOAD, INCLUDING THIS? BUT IF THEY CURTAIL, THOSE CREDITS ARE APPLICABLE TO OUR OTHER DEMAND? NO, WHAT WE DO IS WE DO A TRUE UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL SEE EXACTLY HOW MANY MEGAWATT HOURS THEY CONSUME. BECAUSE WE DON'T AGAIN, IT'S THEY'RE PRICE SENSITIVE. AND SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS WE EXPECT THAT THEY'LL CURTAIL THEIR PRODUCTION FOR ABOUT 700 HOURS A YEAR. THAT'S WHERE OUR MODELS PROJECT. SO BUT SO WE'LL WE'LL PURCHASE THOSE RENEWABLE CREDITS TO OFFSET THAT WHAT WE EXPECT IT TO BE EITHER AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHEN WE CAN GET THEM FOR THE MOST VALUE. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE'S A FOUR MONTH PERIOD WHERE YOU CAN TRUE UP YOUR ACCOUNTS. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN FINALIZE ALL THE ACCOUNTING AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SETTLEMENTS ARE THE SAME AS WHAT ERCOT HAS, AND THAT THE RENEWABLE CREDITS ARE TRANSFERRED INTO THE PROPER ACCOUNTS. AND FORGIVE ME, I DIDN'T MEAN THE RECS, BUT I ACTUALLY MEANT THE NEW FXM CREDITS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PURCHASING DURING THE PEAK LOAD HOURS. OH, YEAH, THAT THAT THAT PROGRAM, THIS ASSET OR THIS, THIS CUSTOMER WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE. I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW YOUR QUESTION. I PROBABLY SAID IT WRONG. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR? MCGEE. BILL, I KNOW YOU SAID IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE COMPANIES THAT CAME AND AND WANT TO LEASE OUT SPACE. YES, SIR. IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH MULTIPLE COMPANIES? ARE WE GOING TO DO ONE AT A TIME? FOR THE CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE WELLS SUBSTATION, AND THE FOOTPRINT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IS PRETTY MUCH JUST ONE. OKAY. AND I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH THIS NEXT QUESTION WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPAL OWNED, YOU KNOW, MOUS AROUND THE STATE, ARE THEY EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING? IS THERE LOTS OF. YES. CRYPTO MINING HAS TEXAS ON ITS SITES. OKAY. SO WE CAN WE CAN EXPECT THIS TO ESSENTIALLY BE THE WAY WE GO TO DO, DO BUSINESS GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. POSSIBLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. BILL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE I WANT TO GET YOU ON THE RECORD AS FAR AS LESSONS LEARNED FROM OUR FIRST EXPERIENCE IN THE THIS AND KIND OF ESTIMATION, THAT SORT OF THING, [01:50:04] WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR IT. AND WE'VE KIND OF LEARNED FROM CORE SCIENTIFIC TO THIS POINT DOS DON'TS AS FAR AS ESTIMATION AND HOW WE STRUCTURE THESE DEALS. YES, SIR. AND TERRY MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO IT, BUT I THINK JUST WITH THE SMALLER SIZE CUSTOMER AND THE AND THE WAY THEY HAVE A MODULAR SETUP, THEY'RE MUCH QUICKER TO START UP, MUCH QUICKER TO MANIPULATE MANEUVER WITH THE MARKET AVAILABILITY. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE JUST FINE. AND AS FAR AS THE PRICING STRUCTURE, YES, MAYOR, JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR, CORE SCIENTIFIC, DESPITE THEIR BANKRUPTCY, HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS FOR THIS COMMUNITY FOR, FOR, FOR DME, IN TERMS OF NET INCOME AND THE REVENUES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING TO THE CITY, THE JOBS, THE TAX BASE. AND IT'S A IT'S A VIRTUALLY A RISKLESS DEAL TO US BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. THIS DEAL IS STRUCTURED EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. SO I LOOK AT THESE TRANSACTIONS AS ONLY UPSIDE NO DOWNSIDE RISK. GOT IT OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS TO YOUR POINT EARLIER MY AGAIN MY UNDERSTANDING ERCOT MANAGES THE ENERGY GRID HERE IN TEXAS. SO ANYWHERE IN TEXAS, IT'S THE SAME USAGE ON THE SAME GRID, RIGHT. SO IF THEY'RE IN DENTON, THEY'RE IN DALLAS OR IN FORT WORTH, THEY'RE IN AMARILLO. IT'S THE SAME, SAME ENERGY POOL. YEAH. RIGHT. YES. GOT IT. BUT WE JUST DON'T GET THE BENEFIT IF CORRECT. OKAY. GOT IT. AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY THIS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BITCOIN EITHER, BUT WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND IS THE NEED FOR HIGH SPEED COMPUTING AND THAT NEVER GOES AWAY. AND SO THAT IS WHERE I, I'M COMFORTABLE BEYOND JUST THE CRYPTO USE IS IF EVER THERE'S A SITUATION, I THINK WE PROBABLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. BUT EVEN IF CORE SCIENTIFIC DIDN'T MAKE THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT COULD USE HIGH SPEED COMPUTERS THAT HAVE POWER FORMS TO THE LEFT. AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THE OPPORTUNITIES I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM AMAZON TO WHATEVER. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST THAT'S A NEED. AND SO THAT'S REALLY FOR THOSE THAT WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CRYPTO SIDE OF THINGS. JUST THINK OF IT AS HIGH SPEED COMPUTING. AND I THINK COMPUTERS ARE HERE TO STAY. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL WE'LL SEE IF THEY IF THEY CATCH SO OKAY. VERY GOOD. WELL THAT GIVES YOU YOU HAVE MAJORITY SUPPORT THERE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO AND FOR THE GROUP THAT'S THAT'S WATCHING I'M SURE. WELCOME. PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL BE BACK SOON WITH THE OTHER STUFF. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [1. Closed Meeting:] SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THAT DON'T REQUIRE CLOSED SESSION. THOSE THOSE ARE PLACEHOLDERS, BUT I'LL WE'LL GET READY. WE'LL SET THE ROOM FOR A CLOSED SESSION. WE'LL TAKE A QUICK TEN MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK AT IT'S 354 NOW LET'S COME BACK AT LIKE FOUR. WE'LL STRETCH IT OUT. IT'S CALLED LIKE 410, BUT THE CITY OF DENTON WILL NOW, AT 3:54 P.M., CONVENE IN CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE CLOSED MEETING ITEMS SET FORTH ON THE AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDE ITEM C, ID 24325, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND ITEM D, ID 24374. CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071. AGAIN, WE'LL GET. I WANT TO JUST JUMP INTO IT. OH, REALLY? OKAY. WELL THEN WE'LL JUST SCRATCH THE BREAK. HE CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T THINK IT'LL TAKE US LONG, SO. SO WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST GO RIGHT IN AND WE'LL POWER THROUGH. SO WE'LL SET THE ROOM AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL KEEP IT GOING. OKAY. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. [AFTER DETERMINING THAT A QUORUM IS PRESENT, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF DENTON CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 215 E. MCKINNEY STREET, DENTON, TEXAS AT WHICH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED:] TODAY IS FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024. IT IS 631 AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO CALL THE MEETING THIS PORTION OF OUR MEETING TO ORDER. THE FIRST THING IS PLEDGES TO THE UNITED STATES AND TEXAS FLAG. PLEASE STAND WITH ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. OH. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. OKAY. AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROCLAMATIONS. THAT TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKER PRESENTATION. [2. PRESENTATIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC] [01:55:03] THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. FIRST IS STEVEN DILLENBURG. STEPHEN. DILLENBURG. DOWN THERE GOING ONCE. OKAY. NEXT IS. AMARA RASOOL I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM LAST TIME. SORRY IF I MESSED IT UP. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. IT'S A MIRA. MIRA. SORRY. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AMIR RASOOL. I'M A PROUD PALESTINIAN-AMERICAN. AND AS I PROMISED, I AM BACK TO URGE YOU TO ADOPT A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION FOR PALESTINE. SINCE I SPOKE TO YOU LAST, SOME OF YOU STILL DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS A DENTON ISSUE, ONE THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE IMPACTED BY. TODAY, I'M GOING TO BE DISCUSSING A TOPIC THAT MAY MAKE SOME OF YOU UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT HOPEFULLY ILLUSTRATES WHY THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINIANS IMPACTS EVERY SINGLE DENTON NIGHT AT THE PROTEST HELD ON THE SQUARE LAST MONTH, I GAVE A SPEECH. IN ONE PART OF MY SPEECH, I MENTIONED THAT OUR BLACK, BROWN AND QUEER BROTHERS AND SISTERS KNOW VERY WELL THAT THE LIBERATION FOR PALESTINIAN PEOPLE IS INTIMATELY TIED TO THE LIBERATION OF THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEANT BY THAT, STARTING WITH MY EXPERIENCE GROWING UP AS A PALESTINIAN AMERICAN HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. YOU SEE, I AM INCREDIBLY PRIVILEGED. FOR STARTERS, I AM 26 YEARS OLD AND I AM ALIVE. THAT IS EIGHT YEARS OLDER THAN THE AVERAGE AGE OF AN INDIVIDUAL IN GAZA. ADDITIONALLY, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL YEAR AFTER YEAR WITH MY FRIENDS AND CLASSMATES. CLASSMATES THAT NEVER FACED THE REALITIES OF GROWING UP UNDER AN APARTHEID. CLASSMATES THAT NEVER HAD TO REGULARLY MOURN THE DEATHS OF THEIR PEERS. I WON'T LIE, I, LIKE MOST KIDS, NEVER LIKED GOING TO SCHOOL. HOWEVER, ONE CLASS. WAS ALWAYS THERE THAT I LOOKED FORWARD TO AND THAT WAS ART CLASS. NOW I KNOW EVEN THE TOOLS TO DRAW IS A PRIVILEGE THAT THE CHILDREN OF GAZA ARE NOT AFFORDED, AS THERE HAS BEEN A DECADE DECADE LONG BLOCKADE ON CRAYONS, ON CRAYONS SANCTIONED BY ISRAEL. COUNCIL, I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE PUT A BLOCKADE ON CRAYONS FOR CHILDREN. YOU SEE, DEMORALIZATION WITHIN THE APARTHEID STARTS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE. THIS IS A REALITY I DIDN'T HAVE TO FACE GROWING UP HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. I WAS LUCKY THE STRUGGLES I FACED HERE WERE NOTHING COMPARED TO THOSE OF THE CHILDREN OF PALESTINE. BUT NEVERTHELESS, I EXPERIENCED BULLYING AND RACISM HERE IN NORTH TEXAS PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AS A CHILD, IT WAS NOT HARD FOR ME TO RECOGNIZE THAT I WAS DIFFERENT THAN MOST OF MY CLASSMATES IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I NOTICED THAT THE LUNCHES MY MOM PACKED ME, FILLED WITH MY FAVORITE FOODS, WAS DIFFERENT FROM MY CLASSMATES LUNCHES. I NOTICED THAT MOST OF THE LITTLE GIRLS IN MY CLASS HAD STRAIGHT HAIR, AND HOW MY CURLY HAIR ALWAYS SEEMED MESSY AND FRIZZY IN COMPARISON. TO MAKE IT WORSE, MY CLASSMATES HAD NO PROBLEM POINTING OUT THESE DIFFERENCES, AND I LEARNED VERY QUICKLY THAT TO FIT IN, I NEEDED TO CHANGE THE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF THAT MADE ME DIFFERENT. I LEARNED TO PACK PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY SANDWICHES FOR LUNCH INSTEAD OF GRAPE LEAVES. I LEARNED TO STRAIGHTEN MY HAIR SO THAT I FIT IN WITH THE OTHER GIRLS AT SCHOOL. BUT EVEN CHANGING THESE PARTS OF MY IDENTITY DID NOT SAVE ME AS I GREW OLDER AND ENTERED HIGH SCHOOL. THE KIDS GOT OLDER AND THE KIDS GOT MEANER. MY PEERS WOULD CALL ME NAMES LIKE TERRORIST, LIKE SAND AND WORD. THIS WAS COMMON AND FREQUENT FOR A LOT OF MY ARAB CLASSMATES AS WELL. MY ARAB IDENTITY BECAME SOMETHING THAT I NEEDED TO HIDE, AND THAT INTERNALIZED SHAME OF WHO I WAS, WHO I AM HAS TAKEN ME YEARS TO UNRAVEL AND OVERCOME. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE I WAS LUCKY I GOT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND MAKE FRIENDS, AND I AM FOREVER GRATEFUL FOR THE CHILDHOOD I WAS ABLE TO HAVE HERE. A CHILDHOOD THAT HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM 12,300 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MURDERED BY ISRAEL, AN ATROCITY THAT WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN HERE. SO WHY IS IT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO PALESTINIAN CHILDREN? THE CULTURE OF WHITE SUPREMACY IS DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN AMERICA, AND IT IS NOT ONLY APPARENT WHEN LOOKING BACK AT OUR HISTORY OF INDIGENOUS GENOCIDE AND SLAVERY, BUT TODAY IN REGARDS TO PALESTINE. IT IS A CULTURE THAT FUELS THE DEVASTATION AND COLONIZATION OF PALESTINE, AND IT IS A CULTURE THAT HARMS ALL MARGINALIZED PEOPLE HERE IN DENTON THAT INCLUDES YOUR CHILDREN. SO AGAIN, I IMPLORE YOU TO SEE THE HUMANITY OF PALESTINIANS AND ADOPT A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS JUSTIN W E I S SEEING. THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JUSTIN WEISS. [02:00:02] BEFORE TWO WEEKS AGO, I HAD NEVER SPOKEN TO A REPRESENTATIVE BODY IN PERSON. NOR DID I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BEING POLITICALLY ACTIVE. AND I JUST WANT TO IMPART UPON YOU HOW IMPORTANT REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT POLITICALLY ACTIVE DO FIND THIS ISSUE. IN THE TIME SINCE WE LAST SPOKE, I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO PUT OUR RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA. IN THE TIME SINCE WE LAST APPEARED HERE, THE DEATH TOLL IN GAZA HAS RISEN ABOUT 4000 CASUALTIES. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THERE HAS HAD THEIR LIVES TOUCHED BY DEATH. DEATH FUNDED BY OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN THE TIME THAT OVER 4000 MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND OVER HALF OF THEM YOUNGER THAN 18. YOU HAVE CHOSEN ACTIVELY TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. NOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME AMONG YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT THIS GENOCIDE IS WRONG. IF YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES THAT THIS SHOULD STOP BUT HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU HOW YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS HAVE BEEN WORKING PREVENTING MASS SHOOTINGS IN THIS COUNTRY TOO. IF YOU MANIFEST YOUR GOOD VIBES A LITTLE HARDER, MAYBE THIS WILL ALL GO AWAY. YOU SEE, IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PERSONALLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING. IT IS A NECESSITY TO USE YOUR VOICE AND YOUR POSITION OF POWER TO STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT. YOU CAN BE THE VOICE TO THE POWERLESS OR YOU CAN BE THE COMPLIANT OPPRESSOR. IF YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES THIS SHOULD STOP BUT YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION, YOU ARE COMPLIANT, WHICH IS AS VILLAINOUS AS THOSE WHO ARE PERPETRATING AND SUPPORTING MASS SLAUGHTER. YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, WELL, I'M NOT BOMBING ANYBODY. BUT YOU'RE STANDING BY AND ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. YOU THINK? WELL, IT FALLS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF MY JOB. DO YOU THINK THIS IS PART OF MY JOB AS A MUSIC EDUCATOR? WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE OUR VOICE FOR CHANGE. NOW THE REFRAIN THIS ISN'T MY JOB OR IT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT I DO. I REALLY WANT TO STRESS THIS THE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO DECIDE IF WE SHOULD BE FUNDING A BOMBING CAMPAIGN HAVE CHOSEN TO FUND A BOMBING CAMPAIGN. DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM HERE? THAT'S WHY THIS IS A LOCAL MATTER. THAT'S WHY WE COME TO YOU, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE NEED YOU TO STAND IN SOLIDARITY AND BE THE VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS. IF WE LEFT THIS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHOSE JOB IT IS, THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD DO WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT ISN'T RIGHT, AND THEY'D KEEP DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL. IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES THIS SHOULD STOP BUT HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION YET, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. DON'T LET YOURSELF BE THE COMPLIANT OPPRESSOR, ESPECIALLY IF YOU IDENTIFY DIFFERENTLY IN YOUR HEART. IF YOU THINK GENOCIDE IS WRONG, SHOW US AT THE LEAST, PUT THIS RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN GO HOME KNOWING YOU DIDN'T STAY SILENT. THROUGH A DEATH TOLL, CLIMBING HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER 21ST CENTURY CONFLICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARLA. I THINK IT'S RIGHT. MALEK. ABU. S H E H. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MALAK. ON FEBRUARY 6TH I CAME TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU AND I TOLD YOU THE STORY OF THE SIX YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL NAMED HIND, WHO WAS MISSING, ALONG WITH THE RED CRESCENT TEAM THAT WAS DISPATCHED TO RESCUE HER. I HAVE THE ENDING TO THE STORY OF HIND AND THE RED CRESCENT TEAM FOR YOU. IT TOOK 12 DAYS TO GET ANSWERS. THE BURNT SHELL OF THE AMBULANCE WAS FOUND WITH THE BURNT REMAINS OF THE MEDICAL TEAM. THE CAR WAS FOUND BURNED AND RIDDLED WITH BULLETS WHILE HEN'S BODY WAS FOUND DECOMPOSING IN THE CAR. I'VE SEEN THE PICTURE AND I WILL NEVER GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD. A CEASEFIRE YESTERDAY WOULD HAVE SAVED THE CHILDREN BEING MURDERED TODAY. A CEASEFIRE A MONTH AGO COULD HAVE SAVED COUNTLESS CHILDREN, PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS AND COULD HAVE SAVED AND MEDICAL PERSONNEL INCLUDING HIND, HER FAMILY AND THE CRESCENT TEAM. WHEN IS ENOUGH? ENOUGH? WE ARE JUST STANDING BY ALLOWING THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS TO BE MURDERED. I'M SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, CHICAGO SAID. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SEATTLE SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SAN FRANCISCO SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. DETROIT SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. ALBANY, ATLANTA, MINNEAPOLIS, MADISON, SAINT LOUIS AND AT LEAST 60 MORE CITIES HAVE PASSED CEASEFIRE RESOLUTIONS AND SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. WHEN WILL DENTON CITY? WHEN WILL THE DENTON CITY SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? WHEN WILL WHEN WILL THE DENTON CITY COUNCIL PUT THE CEASEFIRE RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA? WHEN WILL WE VOTE AND PASS THIS RESOLUTION? WHEN WILL WE SHOW OUR HUMAN EMPATHY AND SAVE COUNTLESS LIVES? THE CEASEFIRE RESOLUTION PETITION HAS BEEN SIGNED BY OVER 821 OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS SO FAR. IF YOU BELIEVE YOUR CONSTITUENTS DO NOT WANT A CEASEFIRE, YOU ARE WRONG. WE WANT ALL PEOPLE TO LIVE, GROW OLD, ACHIEVE THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS. WE WANT THE PALESTINIAN CHILDREN TO LIVE AND TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR DREAMS. [02:05:03] YOUR DENTON CONSTITUENTS ARE SAYING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. WHEN WILL YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO DEB. AMATEUR. HI, MY NAME IS DEB ARMENTOR. I LIVE AT 2003 MISTY WOOD LANE IN DENTON. TODAY I'M HERE TO READ A SPEECH WRITTEN BY A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING IT TO YOU TODAY, BUT SHE LEARNED THAT SHE MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO RETALIATION AT HER WORKPLACE FOR DOING SO. SO ASKED ME TO READ THIS FOR HER INSTEAD. SO THESE ARE HER WORDS. SHE SAYS. HELLO EVERYONE. I'M A PROUD PALESTINIAN AMERICAN. I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN DENTON FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION FOR GAZA, AND STOP SENDING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY TO ISRAEL TO SLAUGHTER INNOCENT CIVILIANS AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK. THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION STARTED BECAUSE AMERICAN COLONIES REFUSED TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION FROM THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. IMAGINE THAT WE, THE PEOPLE IN DENTON, TEXAS, DO NOT WANT OUR TAX MONEY TO GO TO A FOREIGN ENTITY THAT IS AN APARTHEID REGIME. FOR THE ONES WHO DO NOT KNOW, IT DIDN'T START ON OCTOBER 7TH. IT STARTED BACK IN 1947, WHEN TERRORIST GANGS LIKE HAGANAH AND STERN STARTED THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINIANS. THEY COMMITTED HORRIBLE MASSACRES, AMONG THEM DEIR YASSIN, IN APRIL OF 1948. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, WHERE, AS FORMER US SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY PUT IT, QUOTE, MILLIONS OF PALESTINIANS ARE PERMANENTLY LIVING IN SEGREGATED ENCLAVES IN THE WEST BANK WITH NO POLITICAL RIGHTS. THEY HAVE SEPARATE LEGAL EDUCATION AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS AND VAST INCOME DISPARITIES UNDER A PERMANENT, BRUTAL, RUTHLESS MILITARY OCCUPATION THAT DEPRIVES THEM OF THEIR MOST BASIC FREEDOMS, SEPARATE AND UNEQUAL. END QUOTE WOULD YOU ACCEPT LIVING THIS WAY FOR A DAY? HOW ABOUT 75 YEARS? GAZA HAS BEEN UNDER ISRAELI BLOCKADE SINCE 2007. NO GOODS, FOOD OR TRAVELING ARE PERMITTED. NOT EVEN MATERIALS TO BUILD ARE ALLOWED. ISRAEL CONTROLS EVERY ASPECT OF GAZANS DAILY LIFE. THEY CONTROL GAZA AIR, SEA AND LAND. THEY ALLOW 2 TO 4 HOURS OF ELECTRICITY A DAY. 98% OF GROUNDWATER DOESN'T MEET WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION STANDARDS FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. THE UN DECLARED GAZA TO BE UNINHABITABLE BY 2020. OVER 45% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. OVER 7% OF THE CHILDREN SUFFER FROM STUNTED GROWTH, AND MOST OF THE CHILDREN ARE TRAUMATIZED FROM ISRAEL'S CONSTANT WARS ON GAZA, A PREEMPTIVE MILITARY STRATEGY THAT IDF MILITARY STRATEGISTS HAVE FAMOUSLY CALLED MOWING THE LAWN. ISRAEL'S WARS ON GAZA IN 2008, 2012, 2014, 2021 AND 2003 TO 2024. SINCE OCTOBER AND STILL COUNTING BEFORE OCTOBER 7TH, THERE WAS MARCH 2018. PALESTINIANS WERE FED UP WITH THE BLOCKADE AND DECIDED TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST, CALLING IT THE MARCH TO RETURN. SINCE SEVEN OUT OF TEN PALESTINIANS RESIDE IN GAZA, ARE RESIDING IN GAZA, ARE REFUGEES FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE OCCUPIED PALESTINE WHERE THEY WERE KEPT IMPRISONED. IT'S THE DEFINITION OF A CONCENTRATION CAMP. THEY WERE DEMANDING THE END OF THE ISRAELI BLOCKADE AND RETURN TO THEIR HOME. THOUSANDS GATHERED BY THE FENCE EVERY FRIDAY. IN RESPONSE, ISRAEL'S MILITARY SHOT TEAR GAS, RUBBER BULLETS AND LIVE AMMUNITION, MOSTLY BY SNIPERS. THEY SHOT JOURNALISTS, MEDICS, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. AS A RESULT, OVER 300 PALESTINIANS, INCLUDING 46 CHILDREN, WERE KILLED AND OVER 36,100, NEARLY 8800 CHILDREN WERE INJURED. 1 IN 5 OF THOSE INJURED WERE HIT BY LIVE AMMUNITION AND I WILL BE BACK TO CONTINUE HER. I OR SOMEBODY ELSE WILL CONTINUE THE REST OF HER SPEECH AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'LL PUT A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA BEFORE THEN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE BRAY. CHRISTINE. CHRISTINE. BRAY. YEAH. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES AND YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY. THE CLOCK THERE IS FROZEN, SO YOU HAVE TO USE THE ONE UP ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHT. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE BRAY. I'M FOLLOWING UP ON THE PRESENTATION I GAVE YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO REGARDING THE DCTA TRIP FUNDS TRIPS FUND, WHICH IS FUNDING THAT DCTA PROVIDES TO THE CITY IN ORDER FOR US TO SPEND IT ON IMPROVEMENTS THAT BENEFIT OUR BUS SYSTEM AND ITS RIDERS. [02:10:01] PREVIOUSLY, THESE HAVE BEEN SPENT ON SIDEWALK ROAD EXPANSION. I CAME TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY SPEND IT ON TWO NEW BUS ROUTES FOR TWO YEARS, ONE WHICH WOULD GO DOWN MCKINNEY TO THE END TOWARDS VACATION VILLAGE, AND ONE WHICH WOULD GO FROM LOOP TO 88 AT THE INTERSECTION OF 380 DOWN TO THE MALL. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF UNITS OF HOUSING AND SHOPS AND BUSINESSES AND CITY SERVICES ALONG THESE TWO ROUTES ALREADY, AND THOUSANDS MORE UNITS OF HOUSING ARE COMING IN. THERE IS A NEW MOBILE HOME PARK COMING IN ALONG EAST MCKINNEY. THERE ARE APARTMENTS COMING IN ALONG LOOP 288, ESPECIALLY JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH MCKINNEY. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NEED TRANSPORTATION. THAT CAN BE CARS WHICH CLOG OUR ROADS, OR IT CAN BE BUSSES WHICH ARE CLEAN IN TERMS OF THEIR EMISSIONS AND ARE AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF US NOT NEEDING FURTHER ROAD EXPANSIONS. I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE ROAD EXPANSIONS ARE HERE AND REALLY ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO AVOID THEM. SO I WANTED TO PRESENT NEW INFORMATION TO YOU. WE RECEIVED 250 OVER 250 PETITIONS, SIGNATURES ON OUR PETITION TO HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL DO THAT. I KNOW THAT THAT VOTE IS COMING UP, AND I ALSO KNOW WE PROJECTED AN INITIAL COST OF ABOUT $3 MILLION BECAUSE WE WERE NOT SURE WHAT THE TRIPS FUND WOULD BE. WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD LIKELY BE SMALLER THIS YEAR. THE TRIPS FUND WE'VE HEARD IS $5.5 MILLION THIS YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. SARAH. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THAT NUMBER, NOT ONLY IS THERE FUNDING TO DO THAT, BUT THERE IS FUNDING TO DO THINGS LIKE BUS STOPS AND OTHER THINGS THE CITY MIGHT WANT TO DO BENCHES, SIDEWALKS, AT BUS STOPS, THAT SORT OF THING. AND SO THERE IS ABUNDANT FUNDING FOR THIS. THESE WOULD SERVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DENTON NIGHTS, PROVIDE HIGH SCHOOLERS THE ABILITY TO STAY AFTER SCHOOL AND DO EXTRACURRICULARS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE THE BUS HOME. THEY WOULD PROVIDE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WAITING AT HOME NEEDING THE CAR TO RETURN HOME. MAYBE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR AT THEIR HOME. THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO RUN ERRANDS, TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, TO PICK UP GROCERIES BY THEMSELVES. AND SO I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER SPENDING A PORTION, NOT EVEN THE WHOLE A PORTION OF THIS YEAR'S TRIP FUNDS ON NEW BUSSES FOR THE CITY, AND PUTTING IN AN AGREEMENT WITH DCTA SO THAT IF THOSE PERFORM WELL, WE CAN KEEP THEM IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU THEN. RICKY. RICKY BURNETT, IS IT RICKY BURNETT? BARNETT. YEAH. THINK OF YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. GOOD TO SEE YOU. HOWDY. I'M RICKY BARNETT. I I'M GONNA MAKE THIS REALLY, REALLY QUICK AND SIMPLE. I COME TO YOU AS A FATHER. I COME TO YOU AS A HUSBAND, AND I COME TO YOU AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER HERE. AND BASICALLY, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE REST OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE THE CEASEFIRE IN GAZA AND. IF YOU IF YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, KILLING PEOPLE IS BAD AND ESPECIALLY KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS BAD, THEN I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN LEVEL WITH EACH OTHER, LIKE KILLING. KILLING PEOPLE IS NOT GOOD. AND I, I FULLY EXPECT MY GOVERNING BODY HERE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. SAME PAGE. WE ALL HAVE KIDS HERE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE WE ALL HAVE KIDS HERE, RIGHT? AND IF WE CANNOT USE OUR VOICE. TO SPEAK OUT, THEN I. EXCUSE ME. OUR VOICE IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN USE. I HAVE NOTHING THAT I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO HALFWAY ACROSS THE WORLD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE MURDER, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE, AND THE MOST AMERICAN THING THAT WE CAN DO, IS TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE MURDER OF INNOCENT CHILDREN. I LEAVE YOU WITH THAT? THANK YOU. AARON. TAYLOR. AARON. AARON. TAYLOR. AARON. TAYLOR. GOING ONCE. OH. I'M GONNA BRING THIS DOWN TO MY HEIGHT. MY NAME IS AARON TAYLOR. I LOVE DENTON. I FEEL A SENSE OF BELONGING HERE. AND I WANT ALL PEOPLE TO FEEL SAFE AND RESPECTED HERE. PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS AND ALL NATIONALITIES. IT MATTERS WHEN A CITY IN DENTON DECLARES THAT WE WANT A CEASE FIRE. WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE CARE ABOUT HUMANITY, ALL HUMANS. WE'RE SHOWING PALESTINIAN AMERICANS THAT THEY CAN FEEL SAFE HERE. WE ARE SHOWING MUSLIM AMERICANS THAT THEY CAN FEEL SAFE HERE IN DENTON. WE'RE DECLARING THAT REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENCES IN DENTON, HUMANITY COMES FIRST. HUMANITY IS A DENTON VALUE. [02:15:02] LET'S KEEP DENTON HUMANE AND LET'S CALL FOR A CEASEFIRE. I TELL MY CHILDREN THAT EVERY LITTLE THING THEY DO COUNTS. EVERY KINDNESS MATTERS. CHECKING ON YOUR FRIENDS WHEN THEY FALL DOWN, OR HOLDING UP A HEART WITH THE COLORS OF THE PALESTINIAN FLAG. THESE THINGS MATTER AND THEY ADD UP, EVEN IF THEY'RE SYMBOLIC. BY JANUARY, OVER 70 US CITIES HAD PASSED CEASE FIRE RESOLUTIONS. LET'S JOIN THE GROWING GROUP OF CITIES, ORGANIZATIONS, COUNTRIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE. THIS IS A DENTON ISSUE. DENTON RIGHTS CARE. THERE IS A SLAUGHTER OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE FUNDING IT. A CEASE FIRE IS REALLY JUST THE BARE MINIMUM SUPPORT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND DECENCY. AT THIS POINT. EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY, HUNDREDS MORE NEEDLESS DEATHS STAIN AMERICAN HANDS, TEXAN HANDS, DENTON HANDS, MY HANDS DENTON CITIZENS DON'T WANT OUR MONEY SPENT ON THE DEATHS OF CHILDREN AND JOURNALISTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND MEDICAL STAFF, AND WE DON'T WANT OUR MONEY SPENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF SCHOOLS AND REFUGEE CAMPS AND HOSPITALS AND UNIVERSITIES, AND THE CONTINUED DESTABILIZATION OF THE MIDDLE EAST. I CAN THINK OF LOTS OF BETTER WAYS TO SPEND OUR MONEY. LET'S JOIN THE GROWING VOICES THAT ARE DEMANDING A CEASEFIRE WILL BRING MORE PRESSURE TO END THE CARNAGE. SOONER MORE PEOPLE WILL STAY ALIVE BECAUSE OF YOU, BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE YOU HELPED BRING. THINK OF THAT. THE STATEMENTS YOU MAKE HERE CAN REVERBERATE AROUND THE COUNTRY, AMPLIFYING OTHER VOICES, REACHING OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, BRINGING THE GENOCIDE TO AN END SOONER, SAVING LIVES. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAVE LIVES AND TO SAVE THEM SOONER. YOUR WORDS ARE THAT IMPORTANT. YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT IS NOT ONLY OUR RIGHT, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO STAND UP FOR OTHER HUMANS TO DECLARE THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE AND DENTON CARE ABOUT JUSTICE. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN SILENCE IS BETRAYAL. LET'S NOT BE SILENT. LET'S USE THE POWER WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE CAN. DENTON WANTS A CEASE FIRE AND WE WANT IT NOW. I WANT TO SHOW MY KIDS THAT THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF OUR TOWN. WE DON'T JUST CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN. WE CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. WE LOVE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, AND WE DO WHAT WE CAN, EVEN IF IT'S LITTLE, EVEN IF IT'S SYMBOLIC TO SAY WE STAND WITH HUMANITY. PLEASE HELP ME BE ABLE TO SAY TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THE WORLD THAT MY HOMETOWN, DENTON CARES AND MY HOMETOWN STANDS UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND OUR CITY COUNCIL VOTED FOR OUR SHARED HUMANITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. [3. CONSENT AGENDA] IF THOSE TRACKING ALONG, WATCH THE WORK SESSION. AB WAS PULLED, BUT IT'S BEEN RE RE IT'S BEEN ASKED TO BE INCLUDED. THAT QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. NOTHING'S BEEN PULLED. COUNCILMAN. MCGEE. I HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN MELTZER, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO OUR FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. [A. Consider a motion to reconsider the February 6, 2023 approval of a resolution of the City of Denton supporting Denton Affordable Housing Corporation’s 9% housing tax credit application to Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs for proposed new construction of the Stella Haven Apartments to provide affordable rental housing; committing to provide fee reductions in an amount of $500.00; and providing an effective date.] IT'S ITEM A, IT'S ID 24376. CONSIDER A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE FEBRUARY 6TH, 2023 APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON SUPPORTING DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION'S 9% HOUSE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR THE PURPOSE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE STELLA HAVEN APARTMENTS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DANNY SHAW. COMMUNITY SERVICES. THIS ITEM IS A CONSIDERATION OF A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE APPROVAL THAT WAS GIVEN ON FEBRUARY 6TH FOR A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE STELLA HAVEN PROJECT. JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FOR THIS FIRST ITEM. IF THE MOTION IS TO RECONSIDER IS APPROVED, THEN THE MOTION AND THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS SUPPORTED ON FEBRUARY 6TH WILL BE INVALIDATED, AS IF IT WAS NEVER VOTED ON. THEN COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR DENTON AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORP'S 9% HOUSING TAX CREDIT [02:20:03] APPLICATION, AND THAT'S SCHEDULED LATER THIS EVENING. IF THE MOTION DOESN'T PASS, THEN THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT THAT WAS VOTED ON ON FEBRUARY 6TH WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT, AND THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER ACTIONS NEEDED TODAY. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE IT DOWN AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, SO IT'S BEFORE WE GET STARTED. EVERYONE CLEAR ON THAT AT THE DAIS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON PROCESS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE. SO JUST TO REITERATE IF IT PASSES, THEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED LATER. YES. IN THIS MEETING. YES. AND THEN IF IT FAILS THEN IT WOULD JUST. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE. REMAINS IN LAST WEEK. STANDS. GOOD TO GO. OKAY. CORRECT. GREAT. OKAY. ARE THERE QUESTIONS? WELL, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN WATTS OR DISCUSSION. ANY ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION. I'LL HOLD MY. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY RATIONALE FOR FOR THE MOTION, BUT I WANT TO HEAR THE PUBLIC INPUT. AND THEN IF THERE'S DISCUSSION UP HERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE DISCUSSION AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S UP TO YOU. THAT'S FAIR. FAIR POINT. IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF SHARE THEN YOU'RE MORE THAN WILLING IF YOU WANT TO. YEAH. WELL LET LET ME DO THAT TO MAYBE CLEAR UP SOME YOU KNOW, SOME EITHER ASSUMPTIONS OR, OR THINGS SUCH AS THAT. FOR YOU, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE THERE LAST ON FEBRUARY 6TH OR HAVE HEARD, I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE THE ORDINANCE. AND WHEN I GOT BACK HOME AND BEGAN TO RELOOK AT THE MEETING AND BEGAN, SOMETHING JUST DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT. SO QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS ME BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY RECONSIDERATION OF WHY DID I NOT PUT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER AS WELL AS I COULD HAVE. SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS NOT ABOUT. IT'S NOT ABOUT A CHANGE OF VOTE FOR ANYBODY UP HERE. THE REASON I MADE IT WAS BECAUSE I FELT THE PROCESS HAD BEEN FLAWED. FLAWED IN THE SENSE OF HOW WERE THE PEOPLE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. NOW, UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY TO SEND OUT NOTICES IN THIS REGARD. THERE'S NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SEND OUT NOTICES IN THIS REGARD. BUT WHAT I FOUND IS I WENT BACK AND WENT THROUGH THE HEARING AND LISTENED TO THE TESTIMONY AND LISTEN TO OUR COMMENTS WAS THAT IT WAS PRESENTED. THE APPLICANT CAME UP AND MADE A PRESENTATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND WE ALSO HAD A STAFF PRESENTATION, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE HAD ASKED THE DEVELOPER, DID YOU REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER WAS, WE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE HOA OR SOMEBODY IN EARLY DECEMBER, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE IN JANUARY WITH NO RESPONSE. THERE WAS A CONTINUED EFFORT TO REACH OUT, BUT SINCE THE PROJECT WAS BEING PRESENTED WITH THAT KIND OF DETAIL, I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY COULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED? BECAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS IN THIS CITY WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY, WHO DON'T LIVE IN THIS CITY BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING. THEY HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT INDICATES I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY VOTE. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ANYBODY UP HERE CHANGED THEIR VOTE. IT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE PROCESS HAD BEEN FLAWED BECAUSE OF THE OPENING OF THE DOOR. NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT ON A MOTION FOR RESOLUTION TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A POINT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD ON AN APPLICATION WITH THE STATE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF THAT. BUT IF THAT IS ATTEMPTED. I THINK IT SHOULD BE ATTEMPTED IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES MORE OPPORTUNITY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT IN ORDER TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC. NOW, THERE'S A SECOND REASON THAT DEVELOPED FOR MY MOTION TO RECONSIDERATION, WHICH CAME UP AFTER IT, AND THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT THE MONDAY AFTER THE FEBRUARY THE 6TH MEETING, THERE WAS A ZOOM MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER TEAM DEVELOPER OR THE TEAM AND OR THE TEAM, AND THAT DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD CHANGES MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PLAN. AND SO ALL THIS HAPPENED AFTER THE FACT. THIS IS BACKWARDS. IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED ON THE FRONT END. NOW, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME AND THAT'S FINE. I HAVE TO DO THIS FOR MY OWN BENEFIT TO STAND TRUE TO OUR PLEDGE, AS WE ALL DID TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PROTECTION MEANS SAYING NO. WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES, AND TO ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES MEANS THEY HAVE TO HAVE INFORMATION, AND THEY CAN'T HAVE IT. THREE DAYS PRIOR TO WHEN THERE'S BEEN A REPORT THAT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT MADE, BUT SOMEHOW IT DIDN'T COME TO [02:25:07] FRUITION. SO I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY. IF I BLAME ANYBODY, I BLAME MYSELF BECAUSE WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO, PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 6TH, WHEN WE GAVE SOME GRACE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION FOR A CHURCH. THEY HAD NOTICES FROM THE CITY, THEY HAD MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND IT CAME TO A MEETING. THERE WAS A MOTION MADE TO POSTPONE BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE MADE THAT MOTION TO POSTPONE, TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY, TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AGAIN. AND TO SEE IF THEY CAN'T COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT'S COMING UP, I THINK LATER ON IN THE AGENDA. SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS. BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, HOW CAN WE GIVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AN OPPORTUNITY WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW? BUT WE DON'T GIVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT MADE. THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY LAW, BUT THE LAW IS THE FLOOR. IT'S NOT THE CEILING. IN FACT, I MADE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON AN OIL AND GAS WELL, SETBACK BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES. OUR FIRST MEETING, WE HAD TEN PEOPLE. AFTER THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER, WE HAD 150 TO 200 PEOPLE. WHEN PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, IT GIVES THEM A CHOICE TO SHOW UP. SO THAT'S MY RATIONALE. THAT'S MY REASONING. AND IT GIVES ME, AND IT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE THIS COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT CLEAN. BECAUSE IF THE MOTION TO POSTPONE HAD BEEN MADE, IF I WOULD HAVE MADE IT, WE'D BE HAVING THIS MEETING TODAY ON A NEW MOTION TO POSTPONE, TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOME COMMON GROUND. POSSIBLY. WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED OR NOT, BUT THAT PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED. ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS. MY MANTRA IS I TRUST THE PROCESS. SO I'LL NEVER PUT A PROJECT ABOVE A PROCESS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PROCESS, YOU HAVE NOTHING. AND THIS IN NO WAY IS AN INDICATION THAT I'M NOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OR THIS PROJECT, PLUS OR MINUS. I'M PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PROPONENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THIS DAIS. THIS IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT I. I CAN ONLY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR MYSELF, AM TRUE TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS A GOOD PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR FAIRNESS AND EQUITY TO COME BEFORE US AND GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THINGS OUT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE A JURY. DO YOU WANT 12 PEOPLE DECIDING YOUR FATE WHO KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S PRESENTED IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME? OR DO YOU TRY TO GET TOGETHER AND FIND A WAY TO WORK IT OUT? SO, MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT IS MY REASON FOR THAT. AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MISCONSTRUE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS DAIS, THAT THAT MY INTENTION IS TO CHANGE, MODIFY THEIR VOTE, OR IT'S SIMPLY TO SAY, FOR MYSELF, I WANT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO MAKING SURE THAT I GIVE THE PROCESS THE RESPECT AND HONOR THAT IT'S DUE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE FIND GOOD AND FAIR SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. MAHALO. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS, IT'S IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK. I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK. I HOPE YOUR HEALTH CONTINUES TO IMPROVE. I SINCERELY MEAN THAT. THANK YOU. SINCERELY MEAN THAT. WHAT WAS YOUR EMOTION? FEBRUARY 6TH. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE. THE ORDINANCE, THE RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT IN SUPPORT OF WHAT? SUPPORT OF THAT PROJECT THAT IS REQUIRED OR NOT? IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S HIGHLY SOUGHT TO PUT AN TO PUT ON AN APPLICATION TO THE STATE FOR TAX CREDIT. CONSIDERATION ON PROJECTS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. THAT GIVES, I BELIEVE, AN EXTRA POINT 17 POINTS TO BE 17 POINTS. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S THE MOTION. THE MOTION WAS MADE THAT THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE THE THE NOTION THAT THEY WERE GOING THAT THE A DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. WELL I'M ASKING THAT'S A QUESTION. REPEAT THAT QUESTION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOTION WAS THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT, AND NEEDED THE CITY COUNCIL TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. THAT IS TECHNICALLY WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM STATED. BUT IN THE DELIBERATION OF THAT, I BELIEVE IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE, I DON'T RECALL HARDLY ANY OF THE RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT IN THE PAST THAT WE'VE HAD SUCH AN EXTENSIVE SORT OF PRESENTATION, WHICH [02:30:01] IS FINE. I'M NOT HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE PRESENTATION. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS SIDE GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS IN MY IN LEGAL TERMS, OPENING THE DOOR TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT CONSIDERING THE PROJECT. THIS VOTE FOR MOTION RECONSIDERATION IS NOT SAYING WHETHER THE PROJECT IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT. I WANT EVERYBODY I THINK WE UNDERSTAND IT UP HERE. I WANT EVERYBODY OUT THERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN. AGAIN AS I UNDERSTOOD IT. RIGHT. YOUR EMOTION WAS THAT THAT THIS COUNCIL WAS GIVING THE DEVELOPER PERMISSION TO SEEK A AFFORDABLE HOUSING TAX CREDIT. THAT'S RIGHT. BASED UPON. BUT THAT'S. BUT THAT WAS ALL THE MOTION BASED UPON THE HEARING AND THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WE HAD IN THESE CHAMBERS. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. HARLAN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YOU HAVE STATEMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT A LOT. LET'S GET THEM. THE DEVELOPER CAME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND ASKED FOR A LAWFUL, SOMETHING LAWFUL THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DO. THEY SAID, CAN I GET A TAX CREDIT ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT, WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY WANTED TO GET, GET A TAX CREDIT AND WE APPROVED IT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I VOTED FOR IT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. AND. AND THAT'S ALL WE VOTED FOR. WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR. WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR PARKING. WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING. THE ONLY THING THAT I REMEMBER THAT WE VOTED FOR WAS TO ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT. AND THAT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? OKAY. I'M JUST I'M JUST I HAVE A PROBLEM. THAT THAT THE VOTE WAS FLAWED. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, THEN THERE IS AND BUT BUT I THINK, I THINK THE I THINK YOUR MOTION SHOULD BE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, IF YOUR INTENTION IS TO, IS TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER MORE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THIS THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. YOU SAY THERE HAS, BUT. BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. I'M JUST I'M JUST VERY, VERY CONFUSED AS TO THE SPIRIT WITH WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU. I'M JUST CONFUSED WITH WITH WHAT? YOU'RE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T WANT THESE GUYS TO GET A TAX CREDIT. AND AND IT'S A LAWFUL IT'S A LAWFUL TOOL THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP THE LINE, BUT I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER. YEAH. I THINK THE CONCERN FOR FOLLOWING THE PROCESS IS, IS RIGHT THAT IN GENERAL. BUT SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYONE HERE, INCLUDING US, TO HEAR WHAT THE FULL PROCESS. IS SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDING THIS STEP THAT WAS TAKEN AT THE LAST MEETING, AND WHAT ARE THE POINTS AT WHICH THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER, COME TO A MEETING OF THE MINDS, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AS COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND POINTED OUT, THIS IS NOT SETBACKS. THIS IS NOT SITE PLAN. THIS IS THIS WAS SOLELY SAYING WE'RE OKAY WITH THEM APPLYING FOR A TAX CREDIT. BUT SO WHAT WHAT IS THE YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GIVE IT AT A HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE STAGES. BECAUSE BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHAT I SAID FROM THE DAIS WAS THAT I WOULD BE VERY VIGILANT AT EACH OF THOSE GATING POINTS. BUT WHAT ARE AT A HIGH LEVEL ARE THOSE GATING POINTS WHERE THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DIALOG WITH THE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND COME TO A MEETING OF THE MINDS? SO I'LL ANSWER FROM THE TAX CREDIT PERSPECTIVE FIRST. BUT I SEE SCOTT'S READY TO COME UP TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE PROJECT. SO WITH THE TAX CREDIT APPLICATION, THEY CAN SCORE UP TO 170, 180 POINTS. AND THEY GET THOSE POINTS THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. AND SOME OF THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO WHAT THE CITY WILL DO IN SUPPORT. SO TWO OF THOSE ITEMS, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT GIVES THEM 17 POINTS, RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION, WHICH IS AN ALTERNATIVE. WE GIVE THEM 14 POINTS. AND THEN THE LETTER THAT WE INCLUDED TO OFFER SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE MINIMUM IS BY THE LAW IS REQUIRED IS $500. SO WE DO THAT AND THAT GETS THEM AN EXTRA POINT THAT HELPS THEM BE MORE COMPETITIVE. THE OTHER POINTS THAT THEY DISCUSSED DURING THE PRESENTATION WERE THINGS LIKE PROXIMITY TO OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S A GROCERY STORE, A HIGH PERFORMING SCHOOL, A LIBRARY, WHATEVER. THOSE THINGS ARE JUST HOW OUR COMMUNITY IS BUILT, AND THEY CAN ACHIEVE THOSE POINTS SO THEY APPLY TO THE STATE, AND IF THEY ARE COMPETITIVE, THEN THEY MAY HAVE A CHANCE TO GET HOUSING TAX CREDITS. SO ALL WE'RE DOING AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS IS HELPING THEM MAKE THAT APPLICATION BY PROVIDING A LETTER OF SUPPORT, WHICH HELPS THEM GET ADDITIONAL POINTS IN ORDER TO BE [02:35:08] COMPETITIVE IN THAT TAX CREDIT PROCESS. IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE FINANCING OF THE PROJECT AND THE FINANCING ONLY. SO I'LL LET SCOTT COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BECAUSE IT CAN VARY. THIS PROJECT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER PROJECT YOU HEARD THAT NIGHT. AND JUST SUPER. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SCOTT MCDONALD, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND THAT CUT OFF FOR THAT, THAT REQUEST WILL BE MARCH THE 1ST. CORRECT, DANNY. AND SO THAT THAT'S THE FIRST PIECE OF THE EQUATION. THE SECOND PIECE TO THAT WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BE A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN, AND THEN WE'D EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE WOULD WORK, AND THEN WE'D START JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO DETAILS. SO IT'S A MULTI TIERED MULTI STEP PROCESS THAT COULD COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING IN THIS BODY BASED UPON WHAT IT IS THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PLANS. WE DON'T KNOW. AND IF AND IF IT WERE TO GO BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN THIS BODY, THOSE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. AND THERE MIGHT THERE COULD BE. I WANT SOMETHING IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED. LIKE FORMALLY PROPOSED. THERE COULD BE PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY IS PROPOSED. I MEAN, SO THIS ISN'T LIKE THE PROCESS IS. WE APPROVE THE TAX CREDIT AND THEN THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC VOICE. WE ULTIMATELY SEE A NUMBER OF THESE THAT COME THROUGH DANNY'S GROUP THAT MAY NEVER EVEN COME ACROSS OUR DESK. AND SO AGAIN, IT'S IT'S A PROCESS. AND PRIOR TO SUBMITTING A ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN, WE WE ASK THAT THEY GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, ETC.. AND IF YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE LATITUDE, MAYOR. GEE, I WENT OUT OF MY HEAD. YEAH. I'M GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM THIS IS THIS IS PICKING UP RIGHT FROM THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A SCOTT OR A DANNY QUESTION. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE DEADLINES THE TAX APPLICATION DECISION FROM US HAS TO BE MADE ESSENTIALLY AT TONIGHT'S MEETING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ENOUGH LEAD TIME THAT THEY CAN MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO APPLY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL THESE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS BY MARCH 1ST. BUT THAT APPLICATION PROCESS IN NO WAY GETS IN FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PROCESS THAT SCOTT DESCRIBED. SO IF THEY FAIL TO MEET, EVEN IF THEY ACHIEVE A HIGH SCORE AND ARE COMPETITIVE AND GET THE TAX CREDIT IF THEY FAIL TO MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEN IT WON'T PROCEED. CORRECT. AND ALTERNATIVELY, IF THEY DO GET THE TAX CREDIT, BUT THEY MODIFY THEIR CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE IT ORIGINALLY WASN'T GOING TO SUCCEED. AND THEN THEY MODIFIED AND IT DOES THEN SUCCEED. I MEAN NOT SUCCEED, BUT THEN DOES MATCH OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEN THEY THAT THAT LATER PROCESS OF OUR OUR TWEAKS TO OUR TO THEIR CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T THAT THEIR ORIGINAL TAX CREDIT IS NOT CONTINGENT ON THE FINAL CONCEPT PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO NO, THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT WHAT THEY DO TO THE STATE. THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH US. WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO WITH THE STATE ARE THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE PROJECT. SO THEY'RE NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 3 STORIES HIGH OR ANY OF THAT. THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS FOR TDHCA. THEIR PROCESS IS JUST ARE THEY OFFERING THE RIGHT MIX OF AFFORDABILITY FOR THE PROJECT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX CREDITS THAT THEY'RE SEEKING AND THAT THE PROJECT CAN DEVELOP? SO, NO, I THINK THAT THAT NO, THAT THERE'S A REALLY GREAT ANSWER. SO SO LET ME JUST PARROT IT BACK A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO ONLY THE MIX IS GOING INTO THEIR TAX CREDIT REQUIREMENTS, NOT THE PRECISE CONCEPT PLAN THAT CAN BE CHANGED. WELL THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS ON UNIT SIZES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DO COME INTO PLAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE WHAT THE SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE ENOUGH TREES, PARKING, TRAFFIC IMPACT. NONE OF THAT REALLY PLAYS TO THEIR. IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE HABITABILITY OF THE UNIT, THE AFFORDABILITY OF IT AND THOSE THINGS WHO CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR AS FAR AS THE POPULATION BEING SERVED AND. WELL, THIS THIS MAY BE UNFAIR, BUT I'LL ASK IT ANYWAY IN CASE SOMEONE KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THIS IN IN ANY OF THE INTERACTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER, HAVE THEY CHANGED THOSE THE MIX AND OTHER THINGS THAT THE, THE TAX CREDIT REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT CHANGED, BUT THEY'VE INDICATED THEY MAY NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, BUT IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE OVERALL RATIOS OF 30, 50 AND 60. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE, OCCASIONALLY DEVELOPERS, WHETHER THEY'RE MARKET RATE OR AFFORDABLE, HAVE TO CHANGE THE MIX TO MAKE THE THE NUMBERS WORK ESSENTIALLY. SO THERE MAY BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS LIKE THAT, BUT THE STATE WILL LOCK THEM IN TO THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET THE TAX [02:40:05] CREDITS. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION ON THE TAX CREDIT PORTION. THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE. CHANGES FORTHCOMING ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT THOSE ARE REALLY TWO SEPARATE ITEMS, RIGHT? AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO HELP THEM ACCESS ESSENTIAL FINANCING THROUGH STATE TAX OR THROUGH NATIONAL TAX CREDITS, FEDERAL TAX CREDITS THAT ALLOW THEM TO FINANCE THE PROJECT. SO IT'S BRINGING, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES HERE THAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE TO IN ORDER TO BUILD AFFORDABILITY. THAT'S ALL THIS IS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU DANNY SCOTT. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. PAUL, I'M GOING TO SKIP YOU. YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. COUNCILWOMAN. BYRD. OKAY, SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT. THAT ARE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND, OUR VOTE WAS FOR THE INCLUSIVITY. THAT WE ALL SAID. THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN OUR CITY. WE HAVE NOTED THAT WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE SAY THAT EVERY DAY. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE SAY WE WANT TO BE AN INCLUSIVE CITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE, AND THEY WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE OWNERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY FLAVOR THAT WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS OUT THERE THAT ARE WILLING TO BRING PROJECTS TO US THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THAT. AND THEY HAVE TO START WITH THE TAX CREDIT. AND SO WE VOTED ON THAT. AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, NOT BY WHERE I LIVE, WE WANT TO HELP THEM, BUT NOT NEAR US. I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY BECAUSE I DID THE SAME THING. I LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO A WOODED, WOODED THE WOODS. AND WHEN I SAW THOSE PINK FLAGS COME UP BEHIND MY HOUSE, I FREAKED OUT. SO I UNDERSTAND I HAVE THAT PART, BUT I'M WANT TO SAY THAT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TAX CREDIT. AND IT IS TWO SEPARATE THINGS. BUT I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAN HEAR MY VOICE. WHEN YOU SAY, I WANT TO HELP YOU. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO LIVE NEAR ME BECAUSE I DON'T GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I SAID IT. I SAID IT, OKAY? AND SO, YEAH, I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK, MAYOR, BUT I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SAID, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING IT. AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE CARDS HERE, BUT LET ME GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. YEAH, AND WE'LL COME TO YOU. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK. YEAH, I IT'S RIGHT HERE. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. I'LL USE YOUR WORDS AND I'LL QUOTE. I HAVE A PROBLEM. THERE'S A SERIES OF OTHER STATEMENTS SIMILAR TO THAT. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS. WHO DO YOU REPRESENT? THERE'S. THERE'S PRECIOUS LITTLE I GET TO DO UP HERE THAT I WANT TO DO. YOU REPRESENT THAT VERY DISTRICT. SO IF YOU COME TO ME AND YOU SAY THE DISTRICT HAS A PROBLEM, YOU HAVE MY COMPLETE ATTENTION. WHEN YOU USE THE WORD I PERSONALLY EVERY TIME YOU TALK. YOU LOSE ME A LITTLE BIT THAT WE WE I THERE'S A LOT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT I DON'T GET TO DO. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT ORDINANCES THAT I DON'T WANT TO SIGN THAT I HAVE TO SIGN. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU LOSE ME. AND THAT'S THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YOU REPRESENT THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY. AND BY MY COUNT. FOUR PEOPLE ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE TO HEARING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THREE AT LARGE AND ONE SINGLE MEMBER. THAT'S FOUR VOTES. BY JUST BY HAVING CHANCE FOR VOTES GET STUFF PASSED. SO I SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAID NAH. AND I SEE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SAYS, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. THAT'S JUST NOT HOW I DO BUSINESS. BUT THAT THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. THEN I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LET'S STAY ON POINT, WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM IS IT'S A STATEWIDE PROCESS. SO IF I DISINGENUOUSLY TURN A BLIND EYE TO IF I THINK THIS PROJECT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. [02:45:03] I TAKE AWAY FROM ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S VIABLE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT COULD ALLOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS THING IS NOT GOING TO WORK. I'VE DRIVEN IN A NUMBER OF TIMES. I'VE DONE THE MATH. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK OUT. AND SO THIS APPLICANT APPLICATION DEADLINE WILL PASS. AND IF. BLESS THEM IF THEY GO FORWARD, BUT YOU DON'T. I SAT IN ON THAT PRESENTATION AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. MATTER OF FACT, THE VERY THING I TALKED ABOUT WAS THE CURB CUTS WENT AWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THREE CURB CUTS ON TEASLEY LANE TWO, IN ADDITION TO THE ONE AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ONE YOU'RE JUST IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. SO. IF IF THIS IF THE MAJORITY OF THIS GROUP WANTS TO DISREGARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WANTS TO DISREGARD THE OBVIOUS FLAWS WITH THIS PROJECT, AND TAKE AWAY FROM THE HOUSING THE TAXING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STATE. BUT HERE'S HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT I WILL THAT I THINK IS VERY NOTEWORTHY. DANNY, ARE WE IN CHARGE OF THIS TIMELINE WHEN THIS CAME TO US? NO, SIR. THIS IS SET BY THE STATE, RIGHT? NO, NO, I MEAN, WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME TO US, DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE OR DO WE STIPULATE WHEN THEY COME TO US? YES, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE TIME TO PREPARE IT FOR COUNCIL AND TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOTICE WE DO HAVE A TIMELINE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO SUBMIT IT TO US IN JANUARY, AND THEN WE TAKE THE REQUISITE DAYS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND REVIEW THE THE INFORMATION, AND THEN PUT IT TOGETHER IN A PRESENTATION AND THEN SET IT UP TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL. BUT HOW DO WE GET UP AGAINST THIS TIMELINE? SO DID THEY SUBMIT IT IN JANUARY? THEY SUBMITTED TO US IN JANUARY SO THAT WE CAN PRE SO WE CAN PREVIEW IT BEFORE WE SUBMIT IT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I UNDERSTAND, BUT NORMALLY THESE AREN'T THIS TYPE LIKE. YES THEY ARE. IT'S JUST NORMALLY WE DON'T GET 9% APPLICATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALWAYS COMPETITIVE IN THE STATEWIDE VIEW THE WAY IT'S SCORED. SO THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS LOCATION IS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, IT'S MAKING IT COMPETITIVE JUST LIKE THE OTHER PROJECT. SO THIS YEAR WE GOT FIVE TWO WE BROUGHT FORWARD. LAST YEAR WE GOT NONE FOR THE YEAR. TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT WE GOT NINE APPLICATIONS WHERE SEVEN WENT FORWARD. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE YEAR AND HOW COMPETITIVE PROJECTS CAN BE IN OUR AREA FOR THEM TO DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT HERE. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME EVERY THOSE SEVEN, LET'S SAY LET'S GO BACK THREE. THOSE SEVEN ALL CAME WITHIN A WEEK OF NOT BEING ABLE OR TWO WEEKS, LET'S SAY YES BECAUSE IT TAKES THAT MUCH TIME. THE SHIP FROM THE STATE ISN'T EVEN APPROVED USUALLY UNTIL MID DECEMBER. SO IT'S A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE FOR THEM TO THEN GET THAT INFORMATION TO US SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A REASONABLE DECISION ON THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. SO WE'RE ALWAYS ON THAT TIMELINE FOR 9%. NOW THERE'S A 4% TAX CREDIT PROGRAM AS WELL THAT WE JUST ASK THEM TO GIVE IT TO US 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF WHEN THEY NEED THE INFORMATION. SO THOSE CAN COME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BUT THE 9%, THIS IS A TIGHT TIMELINE AND IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR AND IT WILL HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. OKAY. AND BUT THAT'S NOT US. THAT'S THE STATE. IT IS THE STATE OKAY. CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION. AND THEN THE THE LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BANG THE DRUM ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THAT IS THAT'S VALID TO DO. SO. BUT I'VE NOT I'VE HEARD NO ONE POINT THIS OUT, SO I'LL POINT IT OUT. I. I ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE IN DENTON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKED TO DO. THAT'S THAT'S MY TASK. AND THIS THE THE FAIR HOUSING RULES SAY THAT. WE'RE MAKING THESE AFFORDABLE FOR ANYONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T WE CAN'T SEQUESTER THIS COMPLEX FOR CITY OF DENTON RESIDENTS. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE DENTON RESIDENT TAX. WHAT ARE THE WHO'S WHOSE TAXES ARE THAT THAT ARE BEING. SO THESE ARE FEDERAL TAX CREDITS FROM THE TREASURY THAT BUSINESSES BY. OKAY. RIGHT. I THINK MEGAN WENT THROUGH THIS KIND OF IN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS BUY INTO. SO THEY'RE PROVIDING PRIVATE EQUITY TO THE CITY OF DENTON. THAT DOESN'T COME FROM THE CITY OF DENTON. THERE'S NO TAX DOLLARS FROM THE CITY COMING INTO THESE PROJECTS. IT IS PRIVATE EQUITY TO SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS. AND SO THEN ONCE THE CORPORATION INVESTS IN THAT EQUITY, THEN THEY GET THE TAX CREDIT AND CAN, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THEIR TAX LIABILITY IN THE FUTURE FOR THESE TAX CREDITS. OKAY. AND SO SO IT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO APPLY UNLESS IT'S SPECIFIC TO SOMETHING LIKE SENIORS WHICH IS ALLOWABLE UNDER FAIR HOUSING. RIGHT. SO BUT SOMEONE FROM DALLAS COMES INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MY POINT IS WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES IN DENTON, AND THEY'RE SAYING NO, AND THEY'RE HERE AND THEY'RE PAYING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE RATES. AND THEN I GOT TO COMPARE THAT TO. WHO WHOMEVER QUALIFIES, RIGHTFULLY SO, CAN MOVE HERE. [02:50:01] AND DO I WANT TO? IS THAT IS THAT WHERE I WANT TO FOCUS AND THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION. BUT SO FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD. I THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM OTHERS THAT ARE THAT ARE APPLICABLE. AND I REPRESENT THE AT LARGE, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF DENTON AND SPECIFICALLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WHERE THEY FALL. SO THOSE TWO TOGETHER, THERE'S A CONSULTANT THAT CAME TO US LAST THING AND SAID WE WERE IN A RETREAT. HE SAID, YOUR THE DUTY IS TO GET TO YES OR NO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S HOW WE THAT'S HOW WE MAXIMIZE TIME. AND SO FOR ME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT FITS THERE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET THE CURB CUTS. AND BASED ON THE WEEK CHANGE, THE CHANGE IN A WEEK IS STUNNING. I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE BACKUP TODAY, BUT IN THAT PRESENTATION IT'S NIGHT AND DAY. THEY TOOK AWAY THE TWO DRIVEWAYS. THEY USED ONLY THE ONE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. THERE'S A PLAYGROUND UPSTAIRS NOW. THERE'S THERE'S JUST A MYRIAD OF CHANGES IN A WEEK. AND SO THAT THAT WORRIES ME, THAT WHAT WAS PUT BEFORE US WAS JUST A SHELL OF WHAT THEY A BARE MINIMUM. THAT'S MY READ. NOT NOT ACTUALITY, JUST THAT'S HOW I FEEL. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERNS. COUNCILMEMBER MELTZER, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THESE CARDS. I SEE COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. THEN WE'LL GO TO THE CARDS. COUNCILMAN MELTZER YEAH, THANKS. MAYOR. OCCURRED TO ME WHAT ELSE I WANTED TO ASK THAT I THINK WILL HELP FRAME THE DISCUSSION FOR EVERYONE. THIS. TAKE THIS AS A QUESTION. THIS VOTE, THIS MEASURE THAT WAS PASSED LAST WEEK. WHETHER THAT SUCCEEDED OR FAILED OR WHETHER IT SUCCEEDS OR THIS RECONSIDERATION SUCCEEDS OR FAILS, TONIGHT WILL NOT HAVE ANY BEARING ON WHETHER APARTMENTS ARE BUILT ON THIS SITE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT QUESTION TO CLARIFY. BUT THIS IS ZONED SO THERE'S IT WOULD IT'S BY RIGHT. YEAH. SO APARTMENTS COULD GO THERE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER APARTMENTS CAN GO THERE. I MEAN IF IT WAS YOU KNOW PAUL MELTZER'S LAW IT WOULD BE GRADUAL TRANSITION OF SCALE AND INTENSITY. RIGHT. IT'S MULTI-USE. SO IT COULD ALSO BE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO MULTI, BUT THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING IT FROM WHICHEVER WAY THIS GOES, NOTHING PREVENTING OTHER APARTMENTS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO I HOPE CLEAR UP IF ANYONE HAD MISCONCEPTIONS YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS. 30 THE THE PERCENT, 3050 AND 60, 30, 50 AND 60. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE THAT THIS IS INTENDED FOR MUST HAVE INCOME. THEY'RE WORKING PEOPLE WITH INCOME. THIS IS WHAT, PERCENT OF THE AVERAGE THEY ARE. SO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT JOBS THAT DON'T PAY AS MUCH AS OTHER JOBS. SO WHETHER THEY'RE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SCHOOL TEACHERS, TRUCK DRIVERS, WHATEVER, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WORK AND HAVE INCOME. SO IF ANYONE THINKS THAT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT THIS PROJECT DOES INCLUDE 30%, WHICH ISN'T TYPICAL, WHICH IS THE DEEPEST AFFORDABILITY. SO IT IS BENEFICIAL IN THAT WAY. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU. THE VOTE WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW. THE DEVELOPER TO GET TAX CREDITS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING IT WAS. SOME ON THIS DAIS ARE, ARE ARE LOADING UP ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN THERE THAT SIMPLY WERE NOT ON THE VOTE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURB CUTS AND AND PLAYGROUNDS AND SWIMMING POOLS AND STUFF LIKE THIS. ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT THAT IS LAWFULLY AVAILABLE TO THEM. THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT KNOWS HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, ON THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. ULTIMATELY, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE IS THAT THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES AND THEY LAWFULLY APPLIED FOR A TAX CREDIT THAT'S THEIRS TO APPLY FOR. I JUST I JUST DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM. AND AND AND, MR. MAYOR, I LOOK FORWARD TO SHAKING YOUR HAND AFTER THIS MEETING, BUT BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU THAT I RESENT YOU SUGGESTING THAT I'M NOT REPRESENTING MY MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE I LOVE THE I LOVE DENTON. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID THAT, BUT BUT BUT IF. OKAY, BUT IF THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID THAT CAME AND HAD A REASONABLE MOTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IF IT WAS LAWFUL, I'D LIKE TO THINK. I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO TO APPROVE IT IF IT'S LAWFUL. AND THAT'S ALL WE ARE. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE ARE AT THIS POINT. TWO SEPARATE THINGS. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD SAID SAID THAT VERY THING. THERE'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THERE'S THE TAX CREDIT AND THEN THERE'S THE AND THEN THERE'S THE BUILDING PERMIT, TWO SEPARATE THINGS, TWO SEPARATE THINGS. [02:55:05] THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S. WELL, I'M SORRY IT'S TURNED INTO THIS KIND OF REFERENDUM ON THIS PROJECT, BUT LET ME I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED MULTI-FAMILY BY. RIGHT. TECHNICALLY BY BY CODE, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS. IF THEY IF THEY EXCEED HEIGHTS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP. WELL, OKAY. WELL, THOSE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY BY RIGHT, WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNLESS THERE'S SOME CODE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF OR THEY WANT ONE. BUT THIS BUT THIS IS MY POINT, BECAUSE SOME SAY THAT THAT'S MORE OF A RATIONALE OF, HEY, THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. IT'S A GOOD DEVELOPER. THIS IS IT. HOWEVER IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO COME ANYWAY. LOOK, UNLESS ANYBODY ON THIS DAIS HAS APPLIED TO BUILD APARTMENTS, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE HAS DONE THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE MARKET ANALYSIS, THE INVESTMENT ANALYSIS, AND I HAVE. YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE, YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE OF THE LAND. THERE'S NOT ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY FOR A MARKET RATE. ON THAT SIDE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THE DENSITY. AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S GOOD OR BAD ON THIS. THEY CAN'T GET THE DENSITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SURFACE PARKING. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT DOESN'T WORK FINANCIALLY. THAT'S FOR A MARKET RATE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE STATE COMES ALONG AND SAYS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PROJECTS, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TAX CREDITS TO PEOPLE SO THEY CAN BUILD TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE AT 30, 50 OR 65% TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE SOMETHING DECENT AND AFFORDABLE. SO AS FAR AS ARE YOU ALL AWARE THAT THERE'S APARTMENTS GOING UP EVERYWHERE? ADUS ARE GOING UP EVERYWHERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF SOMEONE EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BUILD A SITE THAT YOU CAN BUILD WITHOUT COMING TO THE CITY, YOU CAN PLOP A PERMIT DOWN. THAT IS VALUABLE. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT EVERYWHERE. THE DEVELOPERS LOOK, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S. THE GOLD PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT BUILT ON, AND IT HASN'T BEEN BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE INVESTMENT CRITERIA FOR THE MARKET VALUES. SO AND I WANT TO SAY THIS AND I'M GOING TO BE QUIET AFTER THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT TRYING TO DEBATE ANYBODY. I'M NOT TRYING TO REFUTE THINGS, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE MY RATIONALE BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT SAID A LOT. THE DISTINGUISHMENT BETWEEN WE HAD A LAWFUL RESOLUTION THAT WAS VERY PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE ALL SUPPORT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. FOR OR A SUPPORT RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. FOR A PROJECT FOR THE 9% TAX CREDIT. VERY BASIC. YEAH. IT WAS LAWFUL. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TOLD WHEN ZONING CASES COME TO US NOW, PEOPLE USED TO PRESENT ALL THESE THINGS. HERE'S THE FACADE. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE TOLD NOW ZONING CASES. THEY'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST ABOUT ZONING. SO MY, MY, MY OBSERVATION IS NOT CHALLENGE. BUT WHEN THIS BECAME MORE THAN JUST THAT, WHEN WE HAVE SPECIFIC KIND OF PRESENTATIONS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, SPECIFIC KIND OF PRESENTATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN, THE CURB CUTS WHEN WHEN WE DIDN'T OPEN THE DOOR ON THAT. AND THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE FOR THEIR SIDE TO CONVINCE US TO DO THIS, THAT'S THE REASON THEY USED HERE'S A GOOD PROJECT. IT'S ONLY FAIR. IF THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE TO THE STORY. TO HEAR IT. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER I APPROVE OF IT OR NOT. I COULD VOTE THE SAME WAY I DID. BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS AND BECAUSE OF THIS, WHAT I PERCEIVE JUST ME. AN INEQUITY IN THE PROCESS. THAT'S ALL MY MOTION IS ABOUT. IT'S NOT ABOUT A REFERENDUM ON HOUSING DISCRIMINATION. SEGREGATION. IT'S NOT ME TRYING TO SAY WHAT IT IS ABOUT. WHETHER THE PROJECT'S VIABLE OR NOT, I HAVE NO IDEA. IT'S SAYING I PLEDGED IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE RUN FOR COUNCIL, ONE OF MY ISSUES IS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I REJECT THINGS BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT IT. WHAT IT DOES MEAN IS THAT I BELIEVE EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SHAKE. [03:00:04] AND SO WHEN WHEN IN MY OPINION, A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT BECOMES SOMETHING BIGGER. THEN I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THE OTHER SIDE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH IT'S GOING, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY AND A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY. AND WHEN I HEAR THAT WAS REACHED, SO I'M JUST REPEATING MYSELF. SO I'M GOING TO BE QUIET. AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY, MAYOR, SO I APOLOGIZE. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. MEGAN LASH, THE APPLICANT. YOU CAN. THERE'S. HELP ME OUT. HOW MUCH TIME? BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TRUE RIGHT. THREE MINUTES. IF YOU CAN COME UP, GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MEGAN LASH, PRESIDENT OF ROSA INDUSTRIES. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORDS. A COUPLE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY ON. THE CITY OF DENTON, AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW HAS A HOUSING POLICY THAT IS PUT OUT IN THE FALL THAT WE ALL STUDY. IN GOING THROUGH THAT HOUSING POLICY, IT ACTUALLY ASKS FOR SPECIFIC THINGS, SUCH AS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. AND THAT PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN IS ONE OF THE CHECK THE BOX ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. THAT HAPPENS WITH OUR APPLICATION DEADLINE TO THE CITY OF DENTON. JANUARY 9TH, I BELIEVE, WAS THE DEADLINE. I THINK WE SUBMITTED A COUPLE DAYS EARLY. OKAY. AND SO FROM JANUARY 9TH TO, YOU KNOW, THE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 30 DAYS, AS WE GATHER MORE INFORMATION ON THE SITE, THINGS DO CHANGE. SO FROM THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS SAW ON FEBRUARY 6TH, WE HAD ALREADY MADE SOME REALLY GOOD CHANGES. THAT BEING SAID, WE BUSTED OUR TAIL TO MAKE CHANGES AFTER THAT MEETING BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO I WANT TO NOT HAVE THAT MISCONSTRUED AS THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES AFTER WE WERE DOING THAT TO TO TRY TO BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR AND TRY TO DO THINGS. WE EXCHANGED 18 DIFFERENT EMAILS TRYING TO SET A MEETING PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 6TH. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE, WE THINK MADE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FOUND THROUGH OUR TENURE IN THIS BUSINESS IS LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WITH DIFFERENT ITEMS WILL ACTUALLY HELP MAKE A BETTER SITE. AND SO ALIGNING THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND INSTALLED BY TEXAS IN THE PAST YEAR, THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND SO WE DID THAT AND WE HEARD THEM AND WE MADE CHANGES ADJUSTING THE BUILDING AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE LOST TWO UNITS, SO THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS SHORTER. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE DID AN EFFORT TO SAY, WE HEARD YOU, AND IT'S NOT EASY TO PULL THAT OFF IN A VERY QUICK TIME FRAME. BUT BUT WE DID IT IN EFFORT TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SET. AND SO WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO VISIT WITH THE BOARD ONCE I FOUND A PHONE NUMBER FOR THE BOARD PRESIDENT AND WE WERE ABLE TO HOST A MEETING THAT HAD 85, 84, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PARTICIPANTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME LAST, LAST WEEK. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE. YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY WELCOME CONTINUED CONVERSATION. WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE PERCEIVED AS NOT AT LEAST TRYING BECAUSE WE WE REALLY ARE. AND WE WANT TO BRING A GOOD QUALITY PROJECT TO THE CITY OF DENTON. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. THE TEAM BEHIND ME PUTS THEIR HEART AND SOUL IN EVERY SINGLE THING WE DO, AND WE BUILD BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITIES. IF THIS SITE WAS NOT ZONED, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE, BUT. WE WE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS ISN'T RIGHT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S RIGHT FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE BUILT BY. RIGHT. TELL ME WHY. BUT WE WILL WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO GOOD WORK. WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. OKAY. THANK YOU. TIM URBAN, TIM URBAN. NOPE. NOPE. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. TIM URBAN I'M A RESIDENT OF SUNDOWN RANCH FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK ON THIS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? BETTER. OKAY. SORRY. I GUESS I GUESS THE ONE ISSUE AND IS NOT THE. YOU'RE ASKING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT BIASED. IT'S NOT THAT. IT'S. YOU HAVE 1.7 ACRES AND PUTTING 90 UNITS IN THERE WHEN DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE LESS THAN A MILE. THERE'S PROBABLY TEN ACRES OF LAND. THAT WAS I THINK IT WAS A MOBILE HOME PARK. THEY USED IT FOR CONSTRUCTION. NOW IT'S FOR SALE. AND I KNOW THEY HAVE A CERTAIN CRITERIA, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LIBRARY IS MOVING CLOSER THAT WAY. AND IF YOU CAN BUILD 90 APARTMENTS AND THAT'S GOOD FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHY ARE WE NOT? WHY IS THAT PLACE NOT USED? [03:05:02] OR WHEN YOU COULD BUILD 2 OR 300 APARTMENTS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'S CLOSER TO LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART THERE'S IT'S CLOSE TO THE LA NELSON. THERE'S ALSO RYAN RIGHT THERE. AND LIKE WE'RE SUNDOWN RANCHES RIGHT NOW. WE ARE THE MOST SOUTHERN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GOES TO DENTON HIGH SCHOOL. SO YOU'RE TALKING THE THIS LOCATION IS EIGHT AND A HALF MILES FROM WHERE THE NEW DENTON HIGH SCHOOL IS, WHICH IS I MEAN, WE'VE DRIVEN BY IT'S BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS. I MEAN AND MY SON'S GOING TO GO THERE, BUT FOR TO HAVE LOW INCOME HOUSING AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S EIGHT AND A HALF MILES AWAY FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. OR YOU HAVE GUYER THAT'S TWO MILES AWAY. AGAIN, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BUILD MORE APARTMENTS, THAT OTHER LOCATIONS WOULD BE ZONED FOR GUYER, THAT YOU COULD GO TO, YOU KNOW, TWO MILES AWAY FROM. THAT'S THE POINT THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT TRYING TO PUT THAT MANY APARTMENTS IN IN 1.7 ACRES IS 50 APARTMENTS PER ACRE. THE OTHER LOCATION, IF YOU HAD TEN ACRES, YOU COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, 500 APARTMENTS THERE OR BUILD WHATEVER YOU NEEDED. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. APPRECIATE IT. KRISTEN. KRISTEN. BRAY. ALRIGHTY. HELLO. I SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THIS LAST TIME. IT CAME UP TWO WEEKS AGO I BELIEVE. HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL REMEMBER SOME TIDBITS OF MY COMMENTS FROM THEN. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROPOSE A THOUGHT EXERCISE FOR YOU GUYS TO PARTICIPATE IN AS WE HEAR THESE COMMENTS, ANYTIME SOMEBODY PROPOSES THAT THESE GO ELSEWHERE, JUST IMAGINE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THERE WOULD SAY, OR SPECIFICALLY THE NEIGHBORS THAT COME TO COUNCIL. WE KNOW FROM SURVEYS THAT ABOUT 70% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MORE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE DON'T TYPICALLY SUPPORT IT SO STRONGLY THAT THEY COME OUT TO MEETINGS. AND SO JUST IT'S IT'S A GAME THAT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY, HAVE THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND REREAD THE DENTON CITY COMMITMENTS, THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS COME UP WITH FOR THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT THE CITY NEEDS AND THE THOUSANDS AND DETERMINE WHERE THOSE SHOULD GO. AS A COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT SOME PEOPLE BEING UPSET. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PROBLEMS. AS I POINTED TO LAST WEEK, THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PROBLEMS THAT CAN BE POINTED TO WITH SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS, TRAFFIC, WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS A MUCH GREATER PROBLEM THAN MOST NOT ALL OF THE PROBLEMS PRESENTED. FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE COME UP TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF NOT DEVELOPING NORTHEAST END BECAUSE IT'S AN ECOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE AREA. BUT IN GENERAL I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT TRAFFIC IS A GREATER PROBLEM THAN HOMELESSNESS. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE BUS ROUTES AND GOES ON ROUTES? I'M AWARE. AND DOES IT REACH THIS SPACE? NO. AND IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR YOU? YES. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. CAN I SPEAK FURTHER ON THAT? CERTAINLY. BY ALL MEANS. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ADVOCATE THAT GO ZONE BE MOVED AWAY FROM THE AREAS WHERE THE BUSSES ARE, WHERE IT'S IN COMPETITION WITH THE BUSSES AND OUT TO THE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE BUSSES, SO THAT THAT WAY THE BUSSES CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE IN THE DENSER AREAS. AND THE URBAN CORE AND THE GO ZONES CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE URBAN CORE. BUT BUT YOU SPECIFICALLY WILL COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, THESE COMPLEXES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RANGE, RIGHT? AND AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THEY NEED TO BE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS. OKAY. I JUST, I JUST I'M LISTENING. YEAH. OKAY. AS THE SCHOOL BUS DRIVER, I WOULD BE PROUD TO DRIVE THESE STUDENTS TO DENTON HIGH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. DEB. AMATEUR. IF YOU CAN COME UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HI DEB BARMAN 2003 MISTY WOOD LANE IN DENTON. AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU VOTED TO ALLOW THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A TAX CREDIT APPLICATION TO THE STATE. TODAY THERE'S A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ON THE GROUNDS THAT, AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTOOD IT THAT THERE WAS TOO MUCH OF A LEVEL OF DETAIL PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING BY THE DEVELOPER. AND THAT SOMEHOW THAT SHIFTED, SHIFTED THE BALANCE OF FAIRNESS AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME KIND OF FLAW IN THE PROCESS. [03:10:05] I, I FEEL FOR ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDER WHO IS IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO JUST APPLY, HAVING TO COME BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL TO ASK TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO DO BY. RIGHT. AND THAT IS JUST APPLY FOR A TAX CREDIT WITH THE STATE. RIGHT. NONETHELESS, THAT IS THE PROCESS. RIGHT. AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND AND SURELY THEY'RE WELL AWARE THAT THAT Y'ALL COULD VOTE NO. AND THEY HAVE PROBABLY SEEN AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HEARD THAT IN THE PAST, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS HAVE COME TO THIS COUNCIL AND, AND OTHER DENTON COUNCILS AND BEEN TOLD, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NO AT THIS REALLY EARLY POINT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DETAIL. SO THEN THEY COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DETAIL AND BE TOLD THAT THERE IS TOO MUCH DETAIL. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF A CATCH 22. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. I WANTED TO, TO POINT OUT ALSO THAT THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE HAVING INCLUDING THE COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NOT ONLY IS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER WATCHING, BUT OTHERS ARE TOO I MEAN, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE WATCHING BUT OTHER DEVELOPERS AFFORDING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN COMING TO DENTON ARE WATCHING THESE MEETINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, TO FIND OUT WHAT DOES DENTON CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT DO THE PEOPLE OF DENTON THINK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? ARE WE REALLY WELCOME HERE? AND IT REALLY SENDS A STRONG KIND OF SIGNAL, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND ALL OF THESE BOUNDARIES I'M SORRY, OBSTACLES PLACED AT THIS REALLY EARLY. AND, YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY MINISTERIAL PHASE OF THE PROCESS. IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD ADVERTISEMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELCOMENESS. THAT'S YOUR TIME, NATHAN GOLDSMITH. OKAY. NATHAN GOLDSMITH, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. LIKE LAST TIME, SOME PEOPLE HERE. I WAS HERE LAST TIME SPEAKING ON THIS LAST MONDAY, I WENT TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS COMMISSION'S MEETING TO TALK ABOUT AND ADDRESS MAKING THE OLD FARMERS RANCH HAND HOUSE PART OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION'S MAP COMING UP. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL MEET ON THAT COME MARCH 18TH. ON THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION. I THINK MISTER HOLLAND COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, I BELIEVE THAT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT. OR MAYBE IT WAS YOU, COUNCILMAN BECK AND I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER? AND A LOT OF IT IS WELL, WE MET WITH THEM ONE MONDAY NIGHT AFTER THE ORIGINAL HEARING. AND SO SINCE THEN, OVER THE LAST SEVEN DAYS, WE'VE PUT SOME FAIRY DUST ON THIS THING, AND WE SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THESE MAJOR RENOVATIONS TO WHAT WE WERE INITIALLY GOING TO DO. BUT AT THE END OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL SPECIFICALLY KNOW THAT WHEN WHEN ASKED, WHERE IS THIS PART GOING TO BE, THE INDIVIDUAL LITERALLY SPECIFICALLY SAID, DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THIS. THIS IS JUST SOME GENERIC THING THAT WE'VE THROWN UP ON HERE SO THAT YOU'LL APPROVE. US GETTING THESE EXTRA POINTS. THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE PARK OVER AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISTANCE AND IT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A. PUBLIC PLAYGROUND THAT WE CAN CLASSIFY AS OUR PARK. THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES RIGHT THERE AT SUNDOWN RANCH AND THE TEASLEY, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE. THAT'S ONE THING. SECOND, REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE REACHED OUT TO DENTON ISD. THIS DEVELOPER HAS NOT MADE ANY CONTACT WITH THEM REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE TXDOT. AND I GET THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS WITH THIS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPER COMING IN, AND LIKE, LIKE WAS JUST SAID BY MISS MEGAN. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS ALREADY. BUT TALKING WITH TEXDOT AND ACCESS PERMIT COORDINATORS, THEY SAID THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A NEW INLET IN AT THAT AREA OF TEASLEY BECAUSE OF [03:15:02] THE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE. AND MY, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHO GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO CITY COUNCIL TO EVEN APPROVE THIS OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT SEEMS LIKE ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY COUNCIL IS OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDS ON WHAT THEIR REPRESENTATION ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF. THE THE FROM WHAT I'M READING UNDER THE LAWS OF. AND THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE CARDS. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE DISCUSSION. NO THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE ITEM BEING CALLED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS LATER IF SHE CHANGED THE NUMBER OF. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? LET ME I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T TAKE THESE. GIVE ME, BY THE WAY. HOLD ON, GIVE ME, GIVE ME A NAME OF SOMEONE THAT SAID THEY FILLED OUT. IT'S OKAY. OKAY, OKAY OKAY, OKAY. HOLD ON. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY. MAN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WITH RESPECT TO THIS MOTION. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING BACK WITH US IN PERSON TODAY. OKAY. AS OKAY AS SOMEONE WHO'S IN THEIR FIRST TERM. OKAY. POINT OF ORDER. CAN WE CAN WE PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC? I, WE APPRECIATE THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN CONCLUDING ITEMS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CALLING OUT AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID IT A NUMBER OF TIMES LET'S WE'RE ALL HAPPY ON POINT. GO RIGHT AHEAD I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GOING TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DID IS YOU TAUGHT A MASTER CLASS AND SOMEONE LIKE ME ABOUT UNDERSTANDING PROCESS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY AND SPEAKING AS TO WHY YOU MADE THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. I'VE NOT GONE THROUGH ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO THAT AND REMINDING US ALL HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO FULFILL THE INTEGRITY OF AND THE OATH OF OUR OFFICE. SO THANK YOU, CHRIS. ALL RIGHT, LET'S FIVE MINUTES. GIVE ME FIVE MINUTES. SO WE'LL BE BACK AT EIGHT. THANKS. IT IS 8:00. WELCOME BACK TO THIS MEETING ON DENTON CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE LEFT OFF. AND SO FOR THE CONFUSION WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THESE OTHER IT IS VERY CONFUSING AND VERY UNIQUE. WHAT WHAT'S BEFORE US? SO BEAR WITH US AS WE WE WORK THROUGH IT. SO I DO HAVE FIVE MORE NAMES HERE, SO I'LL CALL THOSE IN ORDER THAT I HAVE THEM. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE LAST OF OUR SPEAKERS THE FIRST OF WHICH IS SUE PALENCIA. AND. CORRECT ME IF I SAID IT WRONG. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. SUE PALENCIA AND I LIVE IN SUNDOWN RANCHO, 2900 FRONTIER DRIVE. THE FRONTIER IS ONE OF THE FEEDER STREETS AND CLUBHOUSE GOES AROUND IT. AND THEN SUNDOWN IS ANOTHER. AND RANCH MAN, SUNDOWN AND RANCH MAN HAVE HEAVY TRAFFIC. AND IF THE APARTMENTS GO IN THE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS NOT AMENABLE TO HAVING MORE CARS. AND I SAT THROUGH FOUR SIGNAL LIGHT CHANGES THE OTHER DAY AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON TRYING TO TURN LEFT ONTO TEASLEY. AND SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN. AND IT'S NOT I'M NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WAS TELLING THE YOUNG LADY FROM THE DEVELOPERS, I LIVED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MY MOTHER LIVED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M ALL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT, AND I HOPE THE CITY OF DENTON WILL CONSIDER THAT AS YOU CONSIDER THE THE GOING FORWARD. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR RESOURCES AND TO GO TO THE STATE TO INVOLVE ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF WHEN, AS YOU SAID, MAYOR, THERE ARE OTHER [03:20:03] PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GO FORWARD, I HOPE, AND DENTON WE CAN HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A BETTER LOCATION BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, BEING A MOM, HAVING TO TELL MY CHILD THEY CAN'T PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND OVER AT SUNDOWN RANCH, BUT THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER 6:00 TO GO TO THE PLAYGROUND AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR. SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A GOOD PLACE TO PUT FAMILIES WHERE THEY'LL HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES THAT THEY NEED TO SUCCEED. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN MONA WHITE. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I'M MONO WHITE. I LIVE IN SUNDOWN RANCH. I ALSO HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE PROPERTY AT 3300 SUNDOWN BOULEVARD. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT MAKING THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT LOW INCOME HOUSING OR BEING ANTI APARTMENT, I THINK THAT REALLY MUDDIES THE WATER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A 1.7 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PUTTING ABOUT 400 PEOPLE LIVING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS REALLY NOT FAIR TO THOSE PEOPLE, THE THE TENANTS THAT MIGHT LIVE THERE. THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THEM. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. NOW IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE OPPOSED BECAUSE IT BRINGS TOO MANY PEOPLE LIVING TOGETHER IN A SPACE THAT CAN'T SUPPORT THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THEY DON'T HAVE PLACES TO TAKE THEIR KIDS IS NOT FAIR OR SAFE FOR THEM OR THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. ALSO, THE DEVELOPERS OUTLINED A PUBLIC PARK LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY AND THEIR PLANS, NEITHER OF WHICH WILL EXIST WHEN THIS WILL BE BUILT. THE. THE DENTON ISD PLAYGROUND IS NOT A PUBLIC PARK, AND THE LIBRARY WILL BE GONE. AND THE DEVELOPERS WERE TOLD THAT THE RESPONSE WAS IT ONLY HAD TO BE THERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN SO THEY CAN GET THE POINTS. WHEN ASKED, THE DEVELOPERS ALSO NOTED THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WASN'T RATED HIGH BY THE STATE, SO IT WASN'T A PRIORITY TO THEM. SO TO US THAT THAT INDICATES THAT WHETHER THE RESIDENTS HAD ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION OR NOT WAS NOT A PRIORITY AND INDICATES THAT THAT REALLY THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE THE RESIDENTS, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY A FACT OR IMPORTANT TO THEM. THEY DID NOT DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN REPORTING. WHAT KIND OF ZONING WAS THERE? THEY REPORTED IT AS MULTI-FAMILY WHEN IT IS MIXED USE. SO THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THE DEVELOPER DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND FINDING OUT ABOUT THE PROPERTY. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAFELY ENTER AND LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WILL SUFFER THE INEVITABLE WEAR AND TEAR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY ADDING 400 EXTRA PEOPLE USING IT. AND ADDITIONALLY, STELLA HAVEN RESIDENTS WILL NOT HAVE A PARK OR LIBRARY. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAFELY ENTER AND LEAVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE TRAFFIC. THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE SQUEEZED INTO ALREADY OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS, AND THE FAMILIES WILL BE CROWDED INTO AN AREA THAT IS UNABLE TO MEET ANY OF THEIR NEEDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO POINT OUT SO IN IS WHAT IT'S SO IT'S MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT IT IS. SO IT'S IT'S ONE AND THE SAME JUST KIND OF LANGUAGE. BUT BUT THAT WE WERE TOLD WAS NO MATTER WHAT APARTMENTS WILL BE THERE. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. NO, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT TRUE. BUT YES. BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE TITLE IS ACCURATE, WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE PROJECTS DON'T MAKE IT FOR FAMILY. IT'S MIXED USE, WHICH MEANS IT'S THE SAME OFFICE. IT COULD BE AN OFFICES, IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT, IT COULD BE APARTMENTS, IT COULD BE A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS. THAT IS CORRECT, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. COUNCILMAN. MCGEE TOLD US NO MATTER WHAT APARTMENTS ARE GOING UP, THAT'S WHAT THE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND AND COUNCILMAN MCGEE SAID. NO MATTER WHAT APARTMENTS ARE GOING UP, WELL, IF STAFF CAN MAYBE PUT TOGETHER A SEND OUT AN EMAIL OF TO THE HOA, SOMETHING THAT HAS A LIST, EVERYTHING THAT FALLS IN THE MUD. SO WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO THE CONTACT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY ARE. POTENTIALLY DONE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER THERE'S ALL THE KIND OF STEPS OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF YOU WANT THIS OR THAT. SO. RIGHT. BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU A LIST AT LEAST. OKAY. WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU. THANK YOU. AND DO YOU DO YOU OWN THE BUSINESSES ON THE PROPERTY? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I YES, WE LEASE IT. I OWN THE BUSINESS. YES. THERE. CURRENTLY. YES. OKAY. GOT IT. I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS FOR LATER, BUT I'LL JUST TELL YOU, I SAT IN ON A MEETING. [03:25:01] I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS. RIGHT. AND I KNOW HOW STRESSFUL THAT CAN BE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I WOULDN'T. WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO SAY I WOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AMY HUFFMAN. YOU'RE TALL. OKAY. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. MY NAME IS AMY HUFFMAN. I AM A HOMEOWNER IN SUNDOWN RANCH. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR NINE YEARS, AND OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE HAVE BEEN REALLY INVOLVED WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GETTING THEIR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THIS PROJECT. AND IN DOING SO, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS AND INFORMATION BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. LET'S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS. THE APPLICATION WE SUBMITTED OR WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION, RIGHT? THE CITY DID. THE CITY BACKED AN APPLICATION FOR THIS. THERE WAS INFORMATION ON THAT APPLICATION STATING THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC PARK AVAILABLE 0.21 MILES AWAY. THERE'S NOT. AND I HAVE PROVIDED THE CITY OF DENTON. YOU GUYS THE ISDS INFORMATION STATING THAT EXPLICITLY FROM LEGAL THAT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC PARK. THERE SHOULD BE A FENCE AROUND IT. THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE PROMISING AMENITIES THAT ARE NOT THERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I HAVE WORKED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I RIGHT NOW MY INCOME LEVEL, I CAN I WOULD QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I AM FOR IT. BUT I THINK ABOUT IF I AM GOING TO BE LIVING IN THAT KIND OF A COMMUNITY. I WANT TO HAVE ACCESS SAFELY, TO GET TO A PARK, TO GET TO A LIBRARY, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THINGS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IF I'M RELEGATED TO A SMALL SPACE WHERE THERE IS LIMITED ABILITY BY A DEVELOPER TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS, FOR ME, THAT'S THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THERE. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS COME IN TO VERIFY THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE. WE KNOW THAT LIBRARY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, AGAIN, WE'RE STATING THAT THERE'S A PARK THERE WITH WITHIN LIKE A TWO MINUTE WALK. HOWEVER, THE CLOSEST, CLOSEST PARKS, BOTH OF THEM ARE OVER A MILE AWAY. IT'S GOING TO BE OVER A 30 MINUTE WALK, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN AND THAT IT ULTIMATELY RAISING OUR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THERE. WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY REALLY WORKING TO GET TO VISION ZERO, RIGHT? WE WANT TO HAVE ZERO PEDESTRIAN DEATHS, ZERO BICYCLIST DEATHS AND KNOWINGLY WALKING INTO THIS, IF WE LOOK AT OUR POINT AND 1.4 OF OUR GOALS UNDERNEATH VISION ZERO. WE LOOK AT OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANNING AND WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR PEDESTRIAN SCORES, HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT REDUCING THESE ACCIDENTS. I IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO GO VISIT THIS COMMUNITY. GO DRIVE THIS DRIVE. LOOK AT ALL OF THE FIGHTS WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE 2017 WITH THE EXPANSION OF 24.9 OR NOT 24. I'M SO SORRY. 2181 RIGHT THERE. OKAY. WE CAN'T GET A LIGHT FOR OUR OWN SAFETY. WE CAN'T GET OUR SIDEWALK COMPLETED AT THE CORNER OVER THERE, SO WE HAVE A CONTINUED SIDEWALK. WE NEED TO WORK ON WHAT IS ALREADY THERE, FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY RESIDING IN THIS AREA AND VERIFYING THE INFORMATION, THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH A PROJECT AND BRINGING MORE IN HERE. I THINK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND I THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. LIAM. LIAM WAKEFIELD, THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS LIAM WAKEFIELD. I I'M AT 411 PONDER AVENUE OR PONDER STREET, DEPENDING ON WHICH BUT I'M COMING OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. THERE IS A SIMPLE ECONOMICS EQUATION. IF YOU WANT HOUSING TO BE AFFORDABLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUPPLY. AND THE REASON RIGHT NOW, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, OREGON AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PLACES, I MEAN, LIKE EVEN BOISE, IDAHO IS HAVING A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRISIS IS BECAUSE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOUSING. LIKE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE PLACES THEY DON'T GO AND THEY NEED PLACES TO LIVE, ESPECIALLY IF WE WANT EDUCATED WORKERS. WE WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT OUR TRASH OR FIX OUR PLUMBING. THEY NEED PLACES TO LIVE. BUT PART OF THE REASON WHY THE WEST COAST SPECIFICALLY HAS A HOUSING ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY WERE GIVEN TO HAVE SOME FORM OF DENSITY OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THERE'S LIKE, NO, THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PLACE. BECAUSE AS CHRISTINE SAID EARLIER, WHERE WHERE IS THE PLACE? [03:30:02] WHERE IS THIS GAME OF HOT POTATO GOING TO END UP? LIKE, I WAS AT A COMMUNITY MEETING AND A PERSON AI PERSON SAID TO ME SAID, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT BY THE LOOP OR I 35 YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE OR PUT A PUT A FLOOR UNDERNEATH THE GROUND. AND LIKE AT THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, I SAID LIKE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME? MY BREATH STINK. I'M UGLY. DO I CAUSE A CHILL IN YOUR SPINE WHEN I WALK BY? IT'S LIKE I LIVE IN APARTMENTS. IT'S LIKE I KNOW SOME. AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. DOES IT SUCK LIKE THAT? THERE MIGHT NOT BE A PARK AND THAT THERE'S. IT'S NOT A SAFE ROAD. YEAH. TEASLEY I'VE LIVED ON TEASLEY. I WENT TO GUYER LIKE I'VE HAD PEOPLE. I'VE HAD CLASSMATES DIE ON TEASLEY. BUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO LIVE. IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE VISION ZERO AND HAVE PARKS, THAT IS SOMETHING FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS. I'VE BEEN OUT HERE SUPPORTING PUBLIC TRANSIT, WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY. BUT PEOPLE NEED PLACES TO LIVE, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT ALWAYS IN PLACES. THIS IS. AND LIKE TO ME IT'S LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO AND LIKE CHRIS SORRY, DON'T. BUT AS THE PROCESS GOES, IT'S LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO PUNISH PEOPLE THAT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, LIKE THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS? LIKE, ISN'T THAT SORT OF LIKE LIKE CUTTING THE HIGHEST GROWING WILDFLOWERS THERE? IT'S LIKE THAT. THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. I MEAN, I CAN I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF VIEW OF IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. BUT AND THERE'S OTHER PLACES IN THIS PROCESS IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN DO INPUT. IT IS MULTIFACETED PROCESS. BUT IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND SEE IF WE CAN CHANGE IT, IF WE'RE NOT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE A STATE PROCESS, BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE AFFORDABLE CRISIS. THE HOUSING CRISIS HERE IS GOING TO GET WORSE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR CARDS. AND SO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY FROM STAFF. CAN Y'ALL FIND OUT? YEAH, SOMEBODY FOUND OUT THAT I CAN. OKAY. GO AHEAD. ME. I'M SORRY. NO, NO. COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M JEALOUS. I HAVE SOME STATEMENTS FOR NO QUESTIONS. I'M SURE YOU DO. NO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M THE ONE THAT SUBMITTED THE REQUEST, SO I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT I SHOULD BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL. FOR THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YEAH, WELL, YOU'RE LISTED THERE, SO I WASN'T SURE IF YOU HAD COMMENTS ON MOTION. OKAY. MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS. IS THERE IS THERE A SECOND? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I SHOULD HIT THE OTHER ONE. YEAH. NO WORRIES. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. GOODNESS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS. SECOND BY MAYOR HUDSPETH DISCUSSION. I'LL GO. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS. WE HAVE WE HAVE A LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF US. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS. AND THIS WAS DUE. THIS IS IN A FRIDAY REPORT. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? RIGHT. AND WE SEE ALL THE THERE'S A NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF DENTON. WE'RE THE MOST ACCEPTING CITY THAT I KNOW. I'M PROUD TO BE BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND I WANT TO ADD SOME DATA BEHIND THAT. SO THIS IS IN A FRIDAY REPORT. SO IT'S PUBLIC RECORD. YOU WOULD FIND IT. IT GOT EMAILED OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I ASKED STAFF AT THE AT THE SAFETY PHASE, WHICH IS THE LAST PHASE BEFORE BUILDING. IS THAT RIGHT IN THE BUILDING PROCESS? IS SCOTT AROUND? HE MAY HAVE LEFT THAT SAFETY PHASE OF OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. IS THAT KIND OF TOWARDS THE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS? IF YOU LOOK AT FERGUS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I WAS TALKING TO THE RESIDENT. CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? CERTAINLY. YEAH. SO THE SAFETY PHASE. SO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, YOU HAVE REVIEW AND ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. WHEN YOU GET TO THE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO SAFETY CONCERNS, THAT'S TOWARDS THE TAIL END OF BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO GET READY TO BUILD. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO SAFETY IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC NO SAFETY BUILDING SAFETY KIND OF ANALYSIS REVIEW. YES. SO SO THE BUILDING CODE REVIEW. SO SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT. SO YOU DO THE SITE WORK, GET APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING COMPLIANCE PLAN, THE PLAT CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS. BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED. THE APPLICANT ALSO SUBMITS BUILDING PLANS TO OUR BUILDING SAFETY TEAM. THEY DO REVIEW IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT WE, THE CITY, FOLLOW. AND THEN ONCE ALL OF THEIR PLANS ADDRESS ALL OF THE CITY'S BUILDING CODES AS WELL AS OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES, THEN THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT. THEY GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. WE HAVE INSPECTIONS THAT OCCUR AT KEY POINTS. AND THEN ULTIMATELY THERE'S A FINAL INSPECTION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. GOT IT. SO JUST BEFORE THE AUTHORIZATION TO BUILD IS THAT SAFETY REVIEW IF YOU WILL, THE BUILDING SAFETY REVIEW. BUILDING SAFETY REVIEW. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT IN MIND, CITY OF DENTON RIGHT NOW 2236 UNITS IN THE SAFETY PROCESS, [03:35:07] 2236 THEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. THAT'S. BEING BUILT 4314 SO IN THE PIPELINE 6500 PLUS UNITS. SO. THERE IS NO NIMBY. THERE IS NO WE ARE FULL GO. PROBABLY MAXING OUT. SO I JUST WANT TO PUSH BACK WITH NUMBERS AND DATA ON WHERE WE ARE TO THAT ARGUMENT. THEN. I WANT TO SAY AGAIN TO THAT, TO THAT BUSINESS OWNER THAT'S PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND DENTON NOW. THAT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU'RE IN THIS SITUATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A. YOU'RE IN A GOOD SITUATION BASED ON THE HURDLES THAT TO COME, I CAN'T. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE IT IF YOU JUST GOT TO DRIVE IT BECAUSE YOU IF YOU LOOK ON A GIS MAP, THERE'S A RETENTION AREA THAT EATS UP THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE IT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP ON A MAP. IT'S JUST A SUNKEN AREA. TRUST ME. YOU JUST HAVE TO DRIVE IT AND LOOK AT IT. BUT IT'S A SUNKEN AREA IN THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE A RETENTION AREA. BUT IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP ON A MAP LIKE A BECAUSE I TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FLOODPLAIN AREA, IT'S JUST AN AREA THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO RETAIN THE RUNOFF, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LARGER. AND SO THERE'S JUST BY EYEBALL TEST THAT JUST THE APPLICANT NO DISRESPECT, I JUST. DON'T FEEL IT WAS. COMPLETE FOR WHATEVER REASON. BE THAT THE TIME THAT IT TAKES ALL THOSE THINGS. NO ONE'S FAULT, JUST I WANT OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAD FIVE, OTHER 3 OR 4 OTHER PROJECTS THAT DROPPED OUT BECAUSE OF THIS ONE. THEY FELT THIS ONE HAD A GOOD CHANCE TO GO FORWARD AND OTHERS HAD. SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN ABOUT. IT'S JUST I HAVE TO HONESTLY RECONCILE WITH MYSELF. DO I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN CLEAR ALL THE HURDLES? BECAUSE I CAN'T TURN A BLIND EYE TO THAT, TO KNOWLEDGE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DECIDE IF THIS OR THAT. I MEAN, IT'S COMING. WE ALL KNOW IT. WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT. AND LOOKING AT THE SITE AND STUDYING THE SITE AND KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW I JUST DON'T THINK IT CAN CLEAR THOSE HURDLES. AND SO I'D RATHER COMMUNICATE THAT EARLY SO THAT OTHER PROJECTS CAN GET IN THE QUEUE TO GET THIS CREDIT SO THAT WE CAN SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. WELL, WITH THESE DOLLARS. SO THAT'S MY POSITION. OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE, HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN WATTS. SECOND BY MYSELF COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE. COUNCILMAN BYRD. I KNOW FOR SURE THAT I'M GOING TO YOU KNOW, SAY NO TO THIS BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE. WELL, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY I. I WANT TO SAY WE US WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE, THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. AND WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DEPEND A LOT ON THESE UNIVERSITIES. THOSE ARE THE CORE ALONG WITH OUR BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO BRING IN NEW BUSINESS HERE FOR US, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ARE WORKING VERY HARD, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND WE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER BUSINESS TO COME IN AND WANT TO HIRE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. THEIR QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE? WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM $65,000 A YEAR. WHERE CAN THEY LIVE? WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM $50,000 A YEAR. WHERE DO THEY LIVE? SO AGAIN, WE'RE VOTING ON THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY TO GET THIS CREDIT SO WE CAN PUT A PRODUCT OUT HERE. AND IF WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT. YOU KNOW. BUT WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THESE DEVELOPERS AN OPPORTUNITY. NOBODY'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S IN ANYBODY'S POCKET. OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING HERE, UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS IS NOT GETTING ANY SMALLER, AND THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE ON THEIR CAMPUS, AND THEY'RE PUSHING THOSE STUDENTS OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, SAME AS TEXAS WOMAN'S UNIVERSITY. SO TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE AGENCIES, WE'VE GOT TO BE IN THE MINDSET THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. YES, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS, UPWARDS OF 7000 UNITS THAT ARE NEEDED TODAY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE FOLKS. [03:40:05] I KNOW IF I WAS MAKING 60 OR $70,000 A YEAR, I DON'T WANT A ROOMMATE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE $70,000 A YEAR PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO BE ROOMMATES, AND SO THAT'S DIFFICULT. SO I AM GOING TO NOT VOTE FOR THIS, AND I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE INCLUSIVITY THAT WE NEED HERE SO WE CAN ALL HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. MOTION TO RECONSIDER FAILS. 5 TO 2 MOVES FORWARD AS IS. AND SO THERE WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR FIVE B. THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC HEARING A WHICH IS. [A. Hold a public hearing and consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, Texas, regarding an amendment to an existing Planned Development District (PD 174, Country Lakes), with amendments including but not limited to, modification to the development plan to increase seating and parking capacity and modify access, on approximately 28 acres of land generally located at the northeast corner of Crawford Road and Carnegie Ridge Road in the City of Denton, Denton County, Texas; adopting an amendment to the City’s official zoning map; providing for a penalty in the maximum amount of $2,000.00 for violations thereof; providing a severability clause and an effective date. The Planning and Zoning Commission voted (4-0) to recommend approval of the request. Motion for approval by Commissioner Smith and second by Commissioner Villareal. (PDA23-0001b, St Mark, Julie Wyatt)] IS MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT ONE. YES. PDA 230001. BE. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PD 174 COUNTRY LAKES. GOOD EVENING. I'M JULIE WYATT, PRINCIPAL PLANNER. THIS IS PDA 23 ONE SAINT MARK'S. WE. YOU SAW THIS ONE A FEW WEEKS AGO. I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. WHAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. SO IF YOU RECALL THIS, THIS IS A PD WHERE WHERE A DETAILED PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2012. IT WAS FOR 1400 SEATS FOR A RELIGIOUS FACILITY. THEY ARE THEY ARE WANTING TO ADD 400 SEATS WITH THE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE SEATS. THE ORIGINAL PLAN INCLUDED SHIFTING ONE OF THE DRIVEWAYS TO THE NORTH SO THAT WEST DRIVEWAY, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO SHIFT IT TO THE NORTH. AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING ALONG THIS WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AT THAT PUBLIC MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC ON CARNEGIE RIDGE, THAT, THAT ROAD THAT THAT BORDERS THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. AND SO THE APPLICANT THAT THE ITEM WAS POSTPONED SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD GO BACK AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE THAT COULD BE REACHED. THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME CHANGES TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, AND HAS ALSO HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO PRESENT THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. SO WITH THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING JUST TO MOVE THAT, THAT THAT DRIVEWAY CONNECTION OR JUST ACTUALLY KEEP IT IN THE, IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED. SO A REALLY OUR IT IS PROPOSING TO CONNECT TO CARNEGIE RIDGE. MIDBLOCK BETWEEN CEDARHURST AND WOODMERE. SO BACK IN THAT ORIGINAL LOCATION, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO SHIFT 68. SORRY. YES. 68 OF THOSE OF THOSE PARKING LOT SPACES TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE SO YOU COULD SEE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION IN THIS LOCATION, AND THEN THE SHIFTING OF THE PARKING IN THIS LOCATION TO TRY TO DISPERSE THAT TRAFFIC A LITTLE MORE EVENLY THROUGHOUT ALL OF THOSE ALL OF THOSE DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS. THEY ALSO ARE STILL REFLECTING THAT GATE ON CARNEGIE RIDGE. AND THAT IS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN. THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THEY HAD. OKAY. THIS WAS AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT'S ALREADY OPEN TO REOPEN OR REJUVENATED, WHATEVER THE PROPER TERM IS REINVIGORATED. SO, SO LET'S SEE, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION OR. NO NO PRESENTATION THERE. OKAY. THEN WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO SPEAKERS. KEVIN. DEAR AMY. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD REAL QUICK OR. NO. JUST REAL QUICKLY. BY ALL MEANS. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT REVISED SITE PLAN, ALSO CAME A REVISION TO OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO HOW WE ARE GOING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE SITE. SO WE'RE ABLE TO MODIFY THAT TO DIRECT MORE OF OUR TRAFFIC OUT TO CRAWFORD ROAD AND NOT OUT TO CARNEGIE RIDGE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE ALMOST 70 CARS, THOSE 68 SPACES, DIRECTING THEM OUT TO CRAWFORD ROAD VERSUS CARNEGIE RIDGE, WHICH I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY APPRECIATED. SO, OKAY, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD. NOW, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS? SO AT YOUR SUGGESTION AT THE AT THE LAST COUNCIL, WE ARE PROPOSING THOSE OFFICERS TO BE AT THE INTERSECTION OF CRAWFORD AND 35 W. [03:45:06] OKAY. OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD. GOOD UPDATES. THANK YOU. SO THEN IS THAT. CATHY MUNDY ARE. KATY. YOU GOOD? OH. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE'S OKAY, I'M TRACKING WITH YOU, AND THEN MARK. COWAN. COWAN. COWAN. DANG IT! COME ON DOWN. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. I WON'T NEED NEARLY THAT MUCH. BLESS YOU. MARK COWAN, I DO LIVE IN CARNEGIE RIDGE. FIRST OF ALL, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LISTENING TO OUR VOICE AND HEARING OUR CONCERNS. WHEN THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE LAST WEEK OR LAST MEETING THAT WE TRY TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK AGAIN, SOMEONE MADE THE COMMENT. WELL, THAT WAS POINTLESS. WELL, THEY'VE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CHURCH HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND IN TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HEAR WHAT WE SAID, AND MAKE THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WILL MEET THE ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE THAT. THEY HAVE WORKED IN GOOD FAITH. THEY HAVE PROMISED TO HOLD TO THEIR ORIGINAL PLEDGE TO BLOCK OFF CARNEGIE RIDGE UNLESS THE CHURCH HAS AN EVENT GOING ON. AND SO THAT KEEPS TRAFFIC OFF OF THAT. THE POLICE OFFICERS, ONCE AGAIN I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT HAS WORKED VERY WELL, HOPEFULLY FOR THE CHURCH. AND CERTAINLY I BELIEVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN HEARD. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING GOING ON. DO WE HAVE A WORKING DEFINITION OF THAT? DO WE GET INVOLVED IN THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT THAT TO COME BACK. THAT THE GATE WAS OPEN. SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OPEN. DO WE HAVE A WORKING DEFINITION OF SOMETHING GOING ON WHEN IT WILL BE OPEN? BASICALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THERE IS AN EVENT, A CHURCH SERVICE GOING ON, OKAY, THAT THERE YES, IT WILL BE OPEN BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ACCESSED. BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE TRAFFIC THAT BEING USED AS A CUT THROUGH FOR THE SAFETY AND TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH. SO UNLESS THERE IS A CHURCH SERVICE GOING ON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OPEN FOR GENERAL USE JUST FOR SOMEBODY TO DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED. OKAY. YES, SIR. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? YES, SIR. SO WE WORKED THROUGH KIND OF A DEFINITION WITH STAFF THAT INCLUDED WEEKEND SERVICES, HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION CHURCH EVENTS LIKE THAT. SO. GOT IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO IS THOSE THOSE MAJOR THINGS. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YES. BETTER TO GET IT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ANITA. FREEZE! I COULD HAVE STAYED HOME. YEAH. I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T. IT'S SO GREAT TO SEE YOU SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY, I. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR HEARING OUR VOICES. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CHURCH AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR WORKING WITH US AND CHANGING THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC TO TAKE IT OFF OF CARNEGIE RIDGE ROAD, MORE ONTO CRAWFORD AND THE EGGS AND ONTO JOHN PAYNE. I FELT LIKE I OWED IT TO THEM, TO ALL OF YOU TO AT LEAST COME AND SPEAK FOR THEM THIS TIME INSTEAD OF AGAINST THEM. SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE, AND WE ARE FOR IT NOW. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. JOSEPH. FOR. COME, COME, COME BACK UP. I GUESS WE GOT TO. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT. CERTAINLY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. SURE. IT'S LAWFUL REQUEST. YEAH. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU WERE DESIGNATED TO SORT OF SPEAK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR JUST YOU'RE SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL. I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. SO WHEN I SAY WE. YEAH, I'M SPEAKING FOR THEM, TOO, OKAY. BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I YEAH, EARS DECEIVE ME HEARING THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE DEVELOPER LISTENING TO EACH OTHER ON THE SAME SIDE. I CAN ONLY SAY HOSANNA JOSEPH. COME ON DOWN. IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. [03:50:03] MY NAME IS JOSEPH DRAKE. I LIVE ON CEDARHURST COURT, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MY NEIGHBOR SAID. I SPOKE LAST TIME IN STRONG SUPPORT AND I CONTINUE TO HAVE STRONG SUPPORT TO COUNCIL MEMBER METZLER'S OUR MELTZER'S, I APOLOGIZE. COMMENT. THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, SAINT MARK HAS BEEN EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'VE OFFERED MULTIPLE MEETINGS REQUESTING INPUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. WHENEVER NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE REASONABLE REQUESTS TO THEM, THEY HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS EACH AND EVERY TIME OFFERING MEETINGS BOTH BEFORE THE COUNCIL PROMPTING AND AFTER THE COUNCIL PROMPTING. AS YOU SEE IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN, THEY'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EACH TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BROUGHT THOSE UP, THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES AS COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE STATED, AS WELL AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I THINK IT REPRESENTS AN EXEMPLAR OF WHAT WE WANT COMMUNITIES TO DO TO COME TOGETHER AND COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY. SO I DO SPEAK ALSO ON BEHALF OF MANY NEIGHBORS WHO CAN'T BE HERE AND WHO HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT SINCE THE BEGINNING. AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS, AS I HAVE BEEN ABOUT BUILDING COMMUNITY AND COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY. AND I THINK THIS REPRESENTS THAT. SO I THANK THE COUNCIL FOR HAVING THAT THOUGHT TO GO FORWARD OF BUILDING A COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE. THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION. THIS ISN'T FOR THE SPEAKER. ARE WE DONE? GO AHEAD. OKAY. I TOO WANT TO ECHO. WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE TURN FROM GOING BEING AGAINST THE PROJECT TO THEN NOW SHOW UP AND ADVOCATE FOR IT. I THINK BEING AT THE THE MEETING THAT THE CHURCH HELD, MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WAS REALLY INSTRUCTIVE. I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THE EXTRA STEP AND WE WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. I WANT TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE. BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THAT THE CHURCH DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS. AND IT WAS MY EMOTION. SO I FEEL I AM HAPPY TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE EXTRA TIME AND BEARING THE EXTRA COST TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND I'LL FINISH WITH THIS. IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM AFTER THE DINNER BREAK, I WAS SITTING WITH A FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES, AND WE WERE JUST HAVING CASUAL CONVERSATION, AND I NOTED THAT TEN COMMANDMENTS WAS OBVIOUSLY TOO HARD FOR US. SO JESUS TOOK IT AWAY AND ONLY GAVE US TO LOVE HIM AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. THIS IS THE BEST REPRESENTATION THAT I CAN SEE OF LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE CHURCH. I WANT TO THANK THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BEING HERE IN SUPPORT. AND I WILL WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. MAYOR, I HAPPILY WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, SO THANK YOU. AND THEN GREG JOHNSON, YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GIVE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR SERVICE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LOVE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT AND WORKING TOGETHER AND ALL THAT, WHICH KIND OF SENDS THE CONNOTATION THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, LIKE, OUR PASTOR IS THE SWEETEST, KINDEST HUMAN BEING ON EARTH. FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. NOBODY CAME. NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, VOICE OF CONCERNS, REQUESTS, ETC. I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY MISLED WITH WHAT WAS POSTED. AND SO I THINK THEY WERE MISLED TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAD SORT OF A ROLE IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS OF WHETHER THIS DRIVEWAY COULD HAPPEN OR NOT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR IT WASN'T AN ACTION OF THIS COUNCIL. TA TA FOR THE CHURCH AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO START WORKING TOGETHER. RIGHT. THAT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING. AND, AND I THINK FACTS MATTER. AND CHOOSING WORDS MATTER. RIGHT. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE WAS ABOUT 3 OR 4 HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION. THERE WERE MORE IN FAVOR, 3 OR 4 OUT OF 250 ISH. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, LIKE THE CHURCH FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR SOMETHING. QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO. OKAY. SO SAINT MARK IS AN UNPLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A FORM OF ZONING. CHURCHES DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY ZONING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT IN A PD. SO WHY AM I BEING A WET BLANKET TONIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE. MY REQUEST OF YOU IS AFTER THIS TO REMOVE THIS PD FOR AN EXAMPLE. THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS. FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF BUILDING OR SIZE OF BUILDING. RIGHT OCCUPANCY IS DETERMINED BY A VERY COMPLICATED FORMULA, AND THE CITY ISSUES THE OCCUPANCY ON A BUILDING. SO THIS NEW BUILDING HAS AN OCCUPANCY OF 800 AND 1885. FOR SOME REASON, OUR PD SAYS YOU CAN SIT 1465 CHAIRS IN THERE. [03:55:01] SO I GUESS WE SAY THE OTHER 420 GOT TO SIT ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE IN THERE. IT'S AN OCCUPANCY. YOUR. THE PD SAYS THIS MANY PARKING SPACES. OUR CODE SAYS PARKING SPACES ARE DETERMINED BASED ON NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING AND THE USE TYPE. WE HAVE 28 ACRES OUT HERE, BUT THERE'S A PD THAT SAYS THIS MANY PARKING SPACES. WHY IT'S IN THERE, I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT THERE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A PD, AND I AND I SPOKE AGAINST IT WHEN IT HAPPENED IN 2012 BECAUSE IT'S A FORM OF ZONING. I HAVEN'T FOUND ANOTHER CHURCH IN THE CITY THAT'S GOT A PD ON IT. MAYBE THERE IS ONE. I COULDN'T FIND IT. AND SO MY POINT TO YOU IS THIS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT PNC. WE SPENT A LOT OF STAFF TIME WORKING ON THIS PD AMENDMENT. NONE OF WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED IF THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IT BY THE CODE. RIGHT. WE CAN PARK ON THE GRASS FOR AN HOUR. NOTHING STOPS YOU FROM THAT. WE WANT TO BUILD SOME PARKING. WE HAVE TONS OF GREEN SPACE AND OUR PASTOR, BEING THE MAN THAT HE IS, HAS SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, GREG, WE WILL, BECAUSE I WENT TO HIM AND I SAID, WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION. BUILD THE DADGUM DRIVEWAY. IT'S OUR RIGHT. AND HE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO WALK OUT OUR FAITH AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK HE'S PROVEN IT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE MIDST OF ALL THIS, THAT IT'S IT'S STATED. IT WASN'T SOME ACTION THAT TOOK PLACE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT CAUSED THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHURCH COMMUNICATION TO HAPPEN. IT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING. CHANGES HAD BEEN MADE ALONG THE WAY. BUT BUT I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE YOU TO FIRST ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION. IS THE PD EVEN APPLICABLE HERE? BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE. AND WHAT I AND THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND OUR EDUCATION BUILDING. PRAISE GOD. EXCEPT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS CRAP AGAIN. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. THE THERE ARE MORE NEIGHBORS IN FAVOR THAN OPPOSED. THAT'S YOUR TIME. AND SO I WILL SAY SCOTT, WILL YOU GET WITH GREG ON THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT'S A FAIR DISCUSSION. AND, AND WHAT I'M GLEANING FROM THE CONVERSATION BEFORE IS THE PD WAS WHEN THERE WAS A SCHOOL, AND THEN IT JUST CARRIED OVER. SINCE IT WAS A CHURCH, IT NEVER CHANGED. AND SO IT IS IT'S A WORTHY CONVERSATION TO HAVE. CERTAINLY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT. AND SCOTT WILL GET WITH YOU AND AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD A LITTLE SMOOTHER. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. MCGEE. THANK YOU. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. IN NO WAY DID I INSINUATE THAT ANYTHING WAS DONE WRONG HERE, OR WE CAUSED THIS. IN FACT, THAT PUBLIC APOLOGY THAT I JUST ISSUED WAS TO YOU SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE YOU FEEL INJURED BY THE FACT THAT WE DELAYED ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. SO THAT'S WHY I ISSUED THAT. IN NO WAY WAS I INSINUATING THAT THE CHURCH WAS NOT ALREADY INCLINED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. I WAS SIMPLY THANKING YOU ALL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU ALL CREATED THROUGH HAVING AN EXTRA MEETING. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I WANT TO BE MISCONSTRUED. OKAY, GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAPPILY MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND BEFORE WE DO ALL THAT. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? YOU DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. SEEING NO SUBTLE SUDDEN MOVEMENTS. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THAT TAKES US TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. [A. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming Dylan Dorrell Memorial Trail located in South Lakes Park; and providing an effective date. [Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommended approval (5-0).]] [B. Consider approval of a resolution of the City of Denton naming Jeff LaQuey Memorial Trail located in Hartlee Field Mountain Bike Park; and providing an effective date. [Parks, Recreation and Beautification Board recommended denial (5-0)]] SIX A ID 24321. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON NAMING DYLAN DORRELL MEMORIAL TRAIL, LOCATED IN SOUTH LAKE PARK. OKAY. AND THERE'S AND SO THERE'S ONE PRESENTATION FOR BOTH OF THESE. SO I'LL CALL THE OTHER JUST IN CASE ID 24322 CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF DENTON NAMING JEFF LAKEWAY. IS THAT RIGHT. MEMORIAL TRAIL LOCATED IN HARTLEY FIELD MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK. HE. SUP, POPS? YOU'RE LATE. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO I WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A POLICY AND PROCESS ON BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE SUBSTANCE OF EACH APPLICATION. [04:00:02] SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND. IN 2020, THE CITY APPROVED A NEW NAMING PROCESS THAT HAD A NUMBER OF GUIDELINES, INCLUDING PARK, NAMING FOR TRAILS AND PARK FACILITIES AND ACTUAL PARKS. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LINKS HERE FOR YOU TO REFERENCE OUR NAMING POLICY AND THE NAMING APPLICATION THAT INDIVIDUALS FILL OUT BEFORE THEY THEIR APPLICATIONS ARE CONSIDERED. THE PROCESS INVOLVES A FEW STEPS. AFTER THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, WE HAVE A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, AND THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS WAS HELD FEBRUARY 1ST. THEN WE BRING THE APPLICATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE PARK RECREATION AND BEAUTIFICATION BOARD, AND THEY PROVIDE THEIR INPUT ON EACH APPLICATION. AND THEN FINALLY WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE POLICY HIGHLIGHTS UNDER THE NEW POLICY, GENERALLY, WE DO NOT RENAME EXISTING PROPERTIES. WE ALSO SEEK WITHIN NAMING TO NAME PARKS AND FACILITIES AND CITY PROPERTIES AFTER A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN A RESIDENT IN DENTON, WHO HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY IN GOOD STANDING AND WHO HAS MADE AN EXCEPTIONAL POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO SOCIETY AT THE LOCAL, STATE, NATIONAL OR GLOBAL LEVEL. CITY PROPERTIES MAY ALSO BE NAMED AFTER INDIVIDUAL WHO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DIED IN THE SERVICE OF THE CITY, THE STATE OR THE COUNTRY, OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED UNDER EXTRAORDINARY ACTS OF BRAVERY AND COURAGE, OR AFTER SOMEONE WHO HAS MADE A LASTING CONTRIBUTION TO HUMANITARIAN CAUSES. SO THE FIRST APPLICATION WE'RE CONSIDERING IS TO RENAME A TRAIL AT SOUTH LAKES PARK AFTER DYLAN DURRELL. OKAY. SO SADLY, DYLAN DIED AT SOUTH LAKES PARK AFTER EXPERIENCING A SUDDEN CARDIAC ARREST WHILE PRACTICING CROSS COUNTRY. WHILE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE MEANING OUT OF SUCH A TRAGEDY, HIS FAMILY HAS POWERFULLY MOVED FORWARD AND ESTABLISHED THE RUN FOR DYLAN FOUNDATION TO PROVIDE HEART SCREENINGS AND CPR TRAINING AND CARDIAC ARREST AWARENESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE FAMILY HAS ALSO WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OF DENTON OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS TO INSTALL AEDS AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM. WE RECENTLY INSTALLED ONE AT SOUTH LAKES PARK, SO THIS APPLICATION IS SEEKING TO NAME A PORTION OF A TRAIL AT SOUTH LAKES PARK, WEST OF THE TENNIS COURTS, AFTER DYLAN DARYL. THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVING THIS BY A VOTE OF 5 TO 0. SO THAT'S THE FIRST APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION OKAY. YEAH. SO. WELL LET'S GET LET'S GET THE. DO YOU HAVE HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE FOR THE SECOND ONE? THERE'S JUST ONE MORE SLIDE. YEAH. JUST LET'S KNOCK THAT OUT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. SOUNDS GOOD. PLEASE. NOPE. THERE WE GO. THE SECOND APPLICATION WAS TO RENAME A PORTION OF THE TRAIL AT HARTLEY FIELD MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK, AFTER JEFF LACROIX. JEFF PASSED AWAY WHILE RIDING HIS MOUNTAIN BIKE. HE WAS A FAN OF MOUNTAIN BIKING AND VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AT HARTLEY FIELD. HE HELPED DESIGN SEVERAL TRAILS IN NORTH TEXAS, INCLUDING AT THE DUBOIS, JOHNSON BRANCH AND BEULAH ACRES CENTER. THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED DENIAL BY A VOTE OF 5 TO 1, DUE TO JEFF LACROIX NOT BEING A RESIDENT OF DENTON. SO THOSE ARE OUR TWO APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY, SO I WANT TO ASK THE DURRELL FAMILY IF THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK MORE THAN WELCOME. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. AND IF SAME, I'LL EXTEND THE SAME TO THE FAM. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE REPRESENTING THE FAMILY OR A RELATIVE, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, DO YOU WANT US TO COMMENT ON THE SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER? I CALLED THEM BOTH. YOU CAN SPEAK ON BOTH AT THE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ONE AT A TIME OBVIOUSLY. BUT YES YOU CAN SPEAK INTERCHANGEABLY. ALL RIGHT I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. SO I ATTENDED THE THE DORAL CELEBRATION AND IT WAS EXTREMELY MOVING. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE TO FOLLOW THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE AND, AND CONTINUE AND NAME THE TRAIL IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN HONORABLE YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATION OF THE COMMUNITY'S COMMITMENT TO THE DORAL FAMILY AND [04:05:01] THIS YOUNG MAN ESPECIALLY DRAW ATTENTION TO THE EADS. SO I I'LL BE HONESTLY REALLY SURPRISED IF THERE'S ANY RESISTANCE TO THE DORAL ONE. AND REGARDING JEFF LACROIX I THINK WE THE PEOPLE IN THE BIKING COMMUNITY, CYCLING COMMUNITY REALLY RECOGNIZING THE PARKS COMMUNITY, REALLY RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTION OF JEFF LACROIX. AND, AND IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS I UNDERSTAND WHY THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE WE WE STICK TO OUR GUIDANCE. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND, AS PART OF THESE COMMENTS THAT I THINK WE HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT. AND, AND WHERE WE CAN BOTH FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF OUR PARKS BOARD, BUT HONOR THE MEMORY OF JEFF LACROIX. AND I'M HOPING THE THE MAYOR WILL AGREE TO DO A PROCLAMATION IN HONOR OF JEFF LACROIX AND ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HE'S MADE TO THE CITY OF DENTON. AS IN, IN THAT SENSE, WE GO AHEAD AND WE GET THE, THE RECOMMEND THE THE HONORING AND AND RECOGNITION OF THE CONTRIBUTION TO OUR, OUR PARKS, OUR BIKE SYSTEM. AND YET AT THE SAME TIME, WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW OUR GUIDANCE AND RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF OUR PARK BOARD. COUNCILMAN MELTZER. YES, SEVERAL OF US WERE AT THE INSTALLATION OF THE DEFIBRILLATOR IN SOUTH LAKES PARK, AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE OF. THE LOVE OF DYLAN'S PARENTS AND HIS FRIENDS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEM. THAT HIS NAME HAS COME TO MEAN SOMETHING EVEN MORE THAN HIMSELF. IT'S HIS NAME STANDS FOR A CARING FOR OTHERS IN DISTRESS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'D BE VERY MEANINGFUL TO HAVE THE TRAIL NAMED FOR HIM. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. I, I DID NOT KNOW DYLAN, BUT BUT DYLAN AND ALL THE GANG FROM THE GUYER CROSS COUNTRY TEAM RAN IN THE AREA THAT I WALKED MY DOG AND AND I WAS ALWAYS. I WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSED. I'D SAY GOOD MORNING TO THEM. THEY'D GO, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. BUT YOU KNOW, 2020 KIDS VERY, VERY PLEASANT AND VERY RESPECTFUL. I, I SAW THE AMBULANCE THERE THAT MORNING AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON, SO. SO AS A DAD. MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU. I'VE RIDDEN MY BICYCLE WITH JEFF LACROIX MANY TIMES IN THE ALBANY AREA. NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FRONT OF HIS BICYCLE LOOKED, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I COULD EVER SEE WAS THE BACK OF HIS BICYCLE. BUT. BUT HE WAS ALWAYS A GENUINE GUY AND VERY, VERY DOWN HOME. AND I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH HIS WIFE, AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO SO I FEEL I FEEL A CONNECTION WITH THESE TWO, WITH THESE TWO MEMORIALS. AND I'M AND I'M PLEASED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM BOTH. OKAY. SO WE'RE TAKING SIX A FIRST, WE'LL COME BACK TO SIX B BUT THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND FOR SIX A? COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR SIX A DISCUSSION. I'LL SAY THE SAME. I APPRECIATE THE DURRELL FAMILY SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO SIX-A FOR NOT ONLY THEIR COMMITMENT BUT PUTTING THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS, THEIR, THEIR FOCUS ON MAKING THE CHANGES THAT THAT WE SO SORELY NEED AND FOCUSING ENERGY ON THOSE CHANGES AND REALLY AROUND MAKING SURE THE CITY OF DENTON BY PROXY IS SAFER. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF CONTINUING THE WORK THAT THAT DYLAN STARTED. AND SO REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THAT, THAT MISSION. AND I WOULD ASK, AS DO WE DO A SIGN OR SOMETHING THERE? IS THAT WHAT WE DO? RIGHT? OKAY. SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE KIND OF PARTNER WITH IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY BUT WE CAN LEVERAGE OFF OF THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME WHERE THEY HAVE THAT QR CODE AND IT LINKS TO THE BIO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR. YES. WE DID WANT TO LINK TO SOME BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT CARDIAC AWARENESS. GOT IT WITH THE QR CODE. I'D LOVE THAT. OR MAYBE A VIDEO OF SOME SORT. [04:10:02] I MEAN, ANYWAY, WHATEVER WE DO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A DIGITAL COMPONENT BECAUSE THEN THAT ALSO CONTINUES. IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW OF THIS OR THAT, BUT THEY COME ACROSS THIS TRAIL, HEY, THERE'S A QR CODE, LET ME SEE. AND THEN OFF WE GO. AND THAT'S ANOTHER PERSON THAT'S IMPACTED POSITIVELY. SO GREAT. GREAT TO HEAR THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WITH THAT LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO SIX B THERE'S NO PRESENTATION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO IT SAYS A PERSON MUST HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF DENTON UNDER THAT NAMING AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL. ARE ALL THOSE BULLETS REQUIREMENTS OR IS IT ONE OR THE OTHER OR HOW DO WE EVALUATE THAT. SO ULTIMATELY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO APPROVE ANY APPLICATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. BUT THIS IS THE POLICY THAT WE'VE SORT OF BEEN WORKING WITH. SO UNDER THESE TWO DIFFERENT GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS AND SOMEONE WHO LIVED IN DENTON. BUT THE FIRST SORT OF SET OF GUIDELINES ARE MEANT TO ALL BE SORT OF PART OF THE PERSON'S CRITERIA WITHIN THIS APPLICATION. SO THEY SHOULD BE UNDER THE POLICY, A RESIDENT OF DENTON, THEY SHOULD BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE SOME SORT OF EXCEPTIONAL POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN THE OTHER CRITERIA BELOW THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SORT OF OFFERED TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NAMING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD WHO HAVE MADE SORT OF THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR THE CITY OF DENTON. OR THE STATE OR THE NATION. OKAY. GOT IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR? FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO IF WE NAME SOMETHING FOR WOODROW WILSON OR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. THAT GOES IN THAT SECOND CATEGORY. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FROM HERE. SURE. THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT SECOND CATEGORY. YEAH. ACCORDING TO YOUR OPINIONS OF WOODROW WILSON, I SUPPOSE. OKAY. YEAH. I SHOULDN'T HAVE PICKED THAT ONE. THAT'S. THAT ONE WAS PROBLEMATIC, I APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE FOR USING THAT AS AN EXEMPLAR. AS A TERRIBLE EXEMPLAR. SO THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. HERE'S HERE'S HERE'S HOW I CAN GET ON. I JUST FROM FROM THE THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS THE. THE MASTER WHEN WE FIND IT AND MAKE SURE. YEAH. MASTER NATURALIST, WE PULL PEOPLE IN FROM FROM ALL OVER FOR THAT, FOR SERVICE THERE AND AND THEN THAT THE, THE THE BUILDING OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL WAS VOLUNTEERS. RIGHT. DID WE WAS IT ONLY DENTON VOLUNTEERS? NO, I THINK IT WAS REGIONAL VOLUNTEERS. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE, HEY WE, YOU KNOW. HEY, YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER? ARE YOU FROM DENTON? YOU, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WHOLE AREA TO ME IS, IS MORE OF A REGIONAL ASSET. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NAMING YOU NAME IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY THAT THAT IS KIND OF EXCLUSIVE. AND THEN I I'LL JUST TELL YOU JUST FOR ME, FOR ME TO JUST GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT. IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR. COUNCIL APPOINTEES ARE LIVE IN DENTON, RIGHT? THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S GRACE THERE. AND SO I'M WILLING TO KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE HIS SERVICE. IT'S UNDENIABLE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT AFFECTED THE CITY OF DENTON DIRECTLY, SO THAT I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, FOR THAT HELP. BUT DO YOU KNOW. OKAY. COUNCILMAN HOLLAND. I MOTION THAT THIS THAT THIS. ORDINANCE. WHAT? BE HAPPY. BE APPROVED. OKAY. THIS IS SIX. BE FOUR. JEFF. LAKEWAY. MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COUNCILMAN HOLLAND. COUNCILMAN BECK. YEAH, I HAPPILY APPROVE. OKAY, WE GOT A SECOND BY SO MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HOLLAND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BECK. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON SCREEN. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT TAKES US TO SIX. [C. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a contract with Hawk Construction, LLC., for the construction of precast concrete security/screening walls for Denton Municipal Electric; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFP 8370 - awarded to Hawk Construction, LLC., for three (3) years, with the option for two (2) additional one (1) year extensions, in the total five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $6,000,000.00).] C ID 24275. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH HAWK CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PRECAST CONCRETE SECURITY SCREENING WALLS FOR DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC. [04:15:04] GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MARK ZIMMER DAM ENGINEERING. AS YOU MENTIONED, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS A CONTRACT TO CONSTRUCT A SECURITY FENCING WALLS AROUND DME SUBSTATIONS. SECURITY FENCING IS INSTALLED AROUND DME SUBSTATIONS FOR PERIMETER SECURITY TO SHIELD EQUIPMENT FROM PUBLIC VIEW, AND IS REQUIRED BY THE DENTON DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR ALL NEW SUBSTATION PROJECTS. THIS FENCING IS ABOUT TEN FEET TALL, CONSTRUCTED OF CONCRETE, AND THE WALLS CONSTRUCTED UNDER THIS CONTRACT WILL BE SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO THE ONE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND TO WALLS AROUND EXISTING SUBSTATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THE HICKORY GIS SUBSTATION ON MONTGOMERY. DMU HAS EIGHT APPROVED CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF SECURITY FENCING TO OUR NEW SUBSTATIONS, AND SIX ARE EXISTING SUBSTATIONS THAT HAVE CHAIN LINK INSTALLED AT THEM. AT THIS TIME, DMU IS PLANNING TO PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A WALL AROUND THE UNDERWOOD SUBSTATION. THAT'S A NEW ONE WE'RE BUILDING ON THE SOUTHWEST PART OF TOWN. THE OTHERS WILL PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION AS APPROVED BY OUR MANAGEMENT OR DIRECTED BY YOU. DMA SOLICITED A CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THESE FENCES AND RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL FROM HAWK. HAWK HAS BUILT SEVERAL OF THESE WALLS FOR US IN THE PAST AND PERFORMED QUITE WELL. DMA RECOMMENDS AN AWARD OF CONTRACT WITH HAWK CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PRECAST CONCRETE SECURITY SCREENING WALLS FOR DENTON MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC, AND THREE YEAR OPTIONAL ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS, AND A TOTAL FIVE YEAR NOT TO EXCEED OF $6 MILLION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SEEING NONE. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM, I MOVE APPROVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MCGEE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. THAT PASSES 7 TO 0 TAKES US TO SIX. [D. Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas home-rule municipal corporation, authorizing the City Manager to execute a Professional Services Agreement with HR Green, Inc., for engineering review of private development projects for the Development Services Department as set forth in the contract; providing for the expenditure of funds therefor; and providing an effective date (RFQ 8401 - awarded to HR Green, Inc., in the five (5) year not-to-exceed amount of $12,000,000.00).] D ID 24323. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DENTON, TEXAS, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH HR GREEN, INC. FOR ENGINEERING REVIEW OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHARLIE ROSENTHAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. I'M BRINGING FORWARD TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION A CONTRACT FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ENGINEERING. THE CITY ORIGINALLY STARTED CONTRACTING THIS SERVICE WITH HR GREEN IN 2018. THERE WAS A SECOND CONTRACT AWARDED IN 2020. THIS IS FOR ON-SITE ENGINEERING FACILITATORS WHO ARE WORKING IN OUR BUILDING OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE CENTER, AS WELL AS OFF SITE ENGINEERING STAFF WHO COMPLETE THE REVIEWS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WE ISSUED A RFQ ON NOVEMBER 10TH. IT WAS SENT TO 270 OH, EXCUSE ME, 275 FIRMS. AND WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE. THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ENGINEERING OPERATES ON A COST RECOVERY BASIS. WE CHARGE FEES INTENDED TO RECOVER THE COST FOR THESE. WE'VE BEEN OPERATING AT AN 80% COST RECOVERY. OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT THESE THIS COST RECOVERY LEVEL IS GOING TO INCREASE ONCE WE ADOPT A NEW FEES WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT FEE STUDY. SOME DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT. SO THIS CONTRACT IS SCALABLE BASED ON THE NEED. CURRENTLY WE HAVE UP TO THREE ON SITE FACILITATORS, AND WE HAVE FOUR OFF SITE ENGINEER REVIEWERS WHO ARE PRIMARILY SUPPORTING DENTON. THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE SIX SPECIALIZED ENGINEERING REVIEW STAFF. AND THEN ALSO WITH HR GREEN. THERE'S ADDITIONAL REVIEW STAFF AVAILABLE IF NEEDED. SO THEY REVIEW TO OUR CITY OF DENTON CODES CRITERIA, MANUAL MANUALS AND DETAILS. AND THEN ALSO IN THIS CONTRACT WE'VE PROPOSED ONGOING TRAINING SESSIONS. SO THAT'S MULTI-DAY ON SITE WORK SESSIONS ANNUALLY. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S AN INCREASED REPORTING PROVIDED IN THIS CONTRACT THAT WOULD ALLOW US A NOTIFICATION ONCE WE RECEIVE OR ONCE WE REACH A CITY DEFINED COST THRESHOLD. HERE BEFORE YOU ARE SOME METRICS SINCE 2020 OF THE CONTRACT. SO HR GREEN STAFF HAS REVIEWED ALMOST 5200 PERFORMED ALMOST 5200 REVIEWS ON 1900 PROJECTS. AND THEN ANNUALLY THEY AUGMENT ABOUT 6000 HOURS OF STAFF TIME. [04:20:01] THEY'VE COMPLETED THESE REVIEWS ON TIME 98% OF THAT TIME. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU IS TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THE AMOUNT OF $12 MILLION TO AIR GREEN. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND, PLEASE. HOW MANY RFQS WERE SENT OUT? WE SENT OUT ONE RFQ TO 275 POTENTIAL FIRMS, 275 AND ONE RESPONDED. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THIS IS A $12 MILLION PROJECT. YES, SIR. THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH RESPONSE. WHY IS THAT? I CAN ANSWER THAT, CHARLIE. I CAN HELP YOU. SO THAT'S A BROAD CATEGORY IN WHICH VENDORS CAN SIGN UP TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS. SO THEY'RE IN A BROADER CATEGORY. THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE THESE SERVICES. AND ALL LIKELIHOOD 275 CANNOT. SO WE'RE SENDING OUT CASTING A WIDE NET TO SEE WHAT RESPONSES WE CAN GET BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER. WHAT'S. YEAH. QUICK QUESTION. AND I'M SURE WHENEVER THESE THINGS COME AROUND, THERE'S ALWAYS THE QUESTION OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE THE COST SAVINGS OR THE SAVINGS TO STAFF TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE SPENDING 25, 2.5 MILLION POTENTIALLY OVER FIVE YEARS. IF WE WE USED TO STAND UP OUR OWN ENGINEERING FIRM OR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEN WE CONTRACTED IT ALL OUT. AND SO IT SORT OF FLIPS BACK. AND SO WHAT'S THE COST BENEFIT RATIO HERE? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IF WE HAD TO DUPLICATE THESE SERVICES WITH HIRED STAFF THAT WORKED FOR THE CITY. WHAT WOULD THAT EQUATE TO BASED UPON. NOT JUST SALARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING PEOPLE $12 MILLION MAXIMUM OVER FIVE YEARS. WHAT? WHAT ARE WE AVOIDING IN COST OF THE CITY IF WE DID IT OURSELVES? YEAH. SO A GOOD QUESTION. WE LOOKED AT THAT. SO IT SAVES US ABOUT 200,000 A YEAR IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT OURSELVES. BUT THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THE SCALABILITY. AND SO THERE'S BEEN YEARS WHERE WE HAVEN'T NEEDED AS MUCH OF THE SERVICES. SO IF WE HAD STAFF ON SITE, THAT WOULD BE A FIXED COST. WHEREAS THIS IF WE DON'T NEED THREE ON SITE FACILITATORS OR THE REVIEWS THAT WE NEED DROP, WE'RE ABLE TO WE DON'T HAVE THAT THAT ONGOING STAFF COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE HAVING STAFF IN-HOUSE. JUST CURIOUS WHAT IS I MEAN WE'VE GOT THE THREE IN-HOUSE AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE FOUR REMOTE IF WE NEED THEM OR TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. WHAT ARE WE PAYING ON AN AVERAGE HOURLY RATE? I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACTS BASED ON IS JUST HOW MANY HOURS THEY'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED, WHAT DO WE HAVE? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. JUST EMAIL IT TO ME OR SOMETHING. I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH, YEAH, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE EXACT NUMBER. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN. MCGEE. I'M GOING TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER WATTS LEFT OFF. ON THIS I AM. I AM INCLINED TO VOTE NO. WE ARE A CITY OF 151,000 PEOPLE ON OUR WAY TO 300,000 PEOPLE. AT SOME POINT, WE REALLY NEED TO EVALUATE BRINGING THIS IN HOUSE, AND I AM MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE SPENDING THIS MONEY TO HIRE PEOPLE IN HOUSE REGULARLY. WE'VE HEARD FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS THAT WE HAVE, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. WHEN WE TALK TO OUR FRIENDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THEY REGULARLY SAY, THIS IS ONE THING THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF DENTON, WITH $200,000 OFFSET, I BELIEVE THAT THAT COULD BE MADE UP BY INCREASING THE SPEED OF PROJECTS. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE. I FEEL I FEEL PRETTY PRINCIPALLY ABOUT THIS. SO WHEN YOU ALL SEE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST ONE NO VOTE, I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO BE CAUGHT WONDERING WHY BRANDON VOTED THE WAY HE DID. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M LEADING. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. YEAH. REAL QUICK, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL CONTEXT. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A WHILE. WE DID HAVE IT IN HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WE VACILLATE. AND I'LL BE TRUTHFUL. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW WE DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET THOSE COMPLAINTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T STRIVE TO HELP IT. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THIS VACILLATION BETWEEN CONTRACT IN HOUSE TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, A YEAR OR SOME COMMENT PERIODS WHERE THAT WASN'T A REGULAR COMPLAINT. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE. IT JUST MEANS THAT. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL CONTEXT. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MISTER MAYOR. YES. IF I MIGHT, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS TO THAT. OFTEN WE WILL HEAR AND I ASK THE QUESTION ROUTINELY, WE WILL HEAR THAT THE ENGINEERING REVIEW IS SLOWING US DOWN OR ENGINEERING IS SLOWING, SLOWING US [04:25:10] DOWN. WELL, IT IS THE MOST COMPLICATED PORTION OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, I WILL SAY I WAS HERE WHEN IT IS THAT WE HAD STAFF ON SITE. AND ONE OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS IS STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY. A COUPLE OF THEM ARE NOT. THEY LEFT. WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY TERMINATE ANYONE, BUT YOU HAD THREE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE ON STAFF, AND THOSE THREE EMPLOYEES ARE ENTITLED TO TWO WEEKS OR, EXCUSE ME, THREE WEEKS OF OF ANNUAL LEAVE A YEAR, THREE WEEKS OF SICK LEAVE A YEAR. AND SO YOU MULTIPLY THAT, YOU KNOW THAT MINIMALLY, THAT THREE WEEKS OF SICK LEAVE, YOU'VE GOT NINE WEEKS THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE OFFICE. THE QUALITY OF SERVICE AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE COULDN'T MANAGE IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, SO WE WOULD BE ADDING MORE STAFF THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON SITE, LET ALONE THE LEVEL OF EXPERTISE. SO WE WOULD HIRE GENERALISTS TO DO THESE REVIEWS. AND WE ARE MUCH MORE TECHNICALLY SAVVY, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR MORE TECHNICAL ITEMS ON OUR REVIEWS TODAY THAN WE EVER HAVE IN THE HISTORY OF DENTON. SO WE HAVE MORE STRINGENT STANDARDS AND MORE SOPHISTICATED CODES THAN WE HAVE EVER HAD. WE HAVE UPDATED ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS, AND OUR REVIEWS ARE MORE COMPLICATED. SO THE SERVICES THAT WE THAT WE OUTSOURCE ARE FOLLOWING ALL OF OUR CODES AND STANDARDS. THEY REPORT THROUGH ME, TO ME, AND WE USE THEM BY NAME. WE TREAT THEM LIKE CITY STAFF. JUST THE BENEFIT TO US AS HAVING THE ABILITY, THE ABILITY TO BE SCALABLE. AND IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS, THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO BE FORWARDED MY DIRECTION. AND I TREAT I TREAT THE CONTRACT SERVICES NO DIFFERENT THAN I WOULD ANY OF OUR STAFF AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF SERVICE DELIVERY. YES. SCOTT, IS THERE IS THERE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD TO WHICH THAT CORRELATES TO POPULATION OF A CITY TO PERHAPS BRINGING ENGINEERING IN-HOUSE? NO, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WE MIGHT BE A MINORITY. I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF AND I'D LIKE TO THINK MAYBE MORE OF CUTTING EDGE WHERE A LOT OF A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THE SERVICES IN-HOUSE, BUT THEY RELY ON 1 OR 2 STAFF PERSONS TO DO THAT WORK. AND THEN YOU'LL GET OTHERS THAT WILL HAVE A HYBRID. BUT NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY GENERAL STANDARD FOR THAT. AND HR GREEN, THESE FOLKS ARE IN ILLINOIS. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? NO. THEY HAVE OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS, WE TRAVELED TO CALIFORNIA TO GO TO SOME CITIES TO SEE HOW IT IS THAT THEY WERE INTERACTING WITH THOSE CITIES. SO THEY HAVE OFFICES IN CALIFORNIA, COLORADO, IOWA ILLINOIS. SO THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND, AND HERE IN TEXAS, IS THERE AN OFFICE IN DFW? YES. OKAY. REGULARLY. HOW OFTEN ARE THESE FOLKS IN THE CITY OF DENTON? EVERY DAY. OKAY. THANKS, GOD. COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S YOUR. OH, NO. I'M SORRY. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SCOTT, IF I MIGHT SINCE YOU WERE LAST SPEAKING ON THIS, I THINK OR CHARLIE. BUT I'LL ADDRESS IT TO SCOTT. I THINK ONE THING THAT MIGHT HELP US FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH OUR OVERSIGHT ROLE IS IF WE REGULARLY HAD FOR SOME OF THESE ENGINEERING CONTRACTS, THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED TO COUNCIL. WHAT'S THIS THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE IN-HOUSE THIS BECAUSE COUNCILOR DAVIS ASKED THAT QUESTION? I ASKED THAT QUESTION, COUNCILOR. WHAT'S ASKED THAT QUESTION? COUNCILOR MCGEE ASKED THAT QUESTION. IT'S A IT'S A PERENNIAL QUESTION OF WHEN DO WE SWITCH FROM IN-HOUSE TO TO CONSULTING? SO IF WE HAD A FEEL FOR THE COSTS OF IN HOUSING VERSUS CONSULTING ON WHEN THESE KINDS OF CONTRACTS COME UP, I THINK WE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT, THAT PIECE OF THAT OVERSIGHT ROLE. SO IF THAT'S NOT TOO ONEROUS, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT IN FUTURE CONTRACTS. WE WELL, WE HAVE ALL OF THAT DATA. WE HAVE THAT DATA EASILY AVAILABLE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. SO WE HAVE SET RATES FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF REVIEWERS. SO IF IT'S AN ON SITE ENGINEER VERSUS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW VERSUS SOMEONE THAT'S DOING TRAFFIC OR TRANSPORTATION OR AN ITE, SO THEY CHARGE US ROUTINELY AT DIFFERENT RATES FOR THE DIFFERENT QUALIFICATIONS OR EXPERTISE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING. SO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS WHAT THAT AVERAGE IS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE HAVE A FIXED SCHEDULE OF WHAT IS ATTACHED AS PART OF THIS, THIS CONTRACT. IF THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION, SORT OF IT TELLS ME YOU CAN GET THE NUMBER THAT I'M ASKING FOR, WHICH WHICH IS ALL I REALLY NEED IN MOST CASES. [04:30:02] BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO INCLUDE IT IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT NUMBER. SO IF IT'S WE, WE WOULD SAVE 200,000, BUT IT WOULD COST US 500,000 BECAUSE OF X, Y, Z. SO WE'RE HAVING A NET SAVINGS OF 300,000 BY CONSULTING. AND I'M WAVING MY HANDS HERE. THEN THAT MAKES IT EASY FOR US TO TO SAY, OKAY, NO, THIS IS A NET POSITIVE FOR THE CITY, WHEREAS OTHERWISE WE'RE ASKING YOU EVERY TIME THESE CONTRACTS COME UP, IS THIS STILL A NET POSITIVE FOR THE CITY? AND I THINK WE JUST NEED SOME METRICS. ABSOLUTELY. NO, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COUNCILMAN. WHAT'S. I'M OUT OF PRACTICE ON HERE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. I'LL SECOND. DISCUSSION. I'LL JUST SAY I DON'T, I DON'T THINK. TO EVERYONE'S POINT. THERE'S NOT UTOPIA DOESN'T EXIST. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CHALLENGES. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFERING WORLD'S VIEWS ON THINGS. I'VE HEARD LESS LATELY ISSUES. CERTAINLY A LOT OF ISSUES BEFORE. SCOTT'S BEEN GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH THAT. AND, AND I'LL SAY THIS JUST TO SAY TO SAVE AN EMAIL BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER PROBLEM IS. THE INCONSISTENCY ON PROJECTS. WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT BY THE LETTER OF THE CODE SHOULD GO FORWARD AND SOMEONE TAKES AN ISSUE WITH, WELL, THE CODE SAYS THIS, BUT I STILL WANT TO SAVE SOME MORE TREES EVEN THOUGH THEY MEET CODE OR I WANT TO. I WANT IT TO BE DIFFERENT THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE. BUT IF YOU DON'T SEGREGATE THOSE OUT, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE PUTTING THAT AT THE STAFF'S LAP. STAFF'S LIKE, HEY, WE RECOMMENDED IT. IT MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS. AND IF THE COUNCIL SAYS, WELL, I KNOW IT MEETS REQUIREMENTS, BUT I WANT MORE. AND SO I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, RIGHT. THOSE THINGS COMPLICATE THE DISCUSSION PROCESS VERSUS IF SOMEONE SITS DOWN WITH STAFF AND THEY SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE CODE. IF WE CAN PROCESS THROUGH THE CODE AND THESE GRAY AREAS IN THE CODE, THEN WE'RE GOOD TO GO. THEY CAN'T GIVE THOSE ASSURANCES NOW. SO MY REQUEST IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SAVE ME AN EMAIL FOR A FRIDAY REPORT. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS FRIDAY. TAKE YOUR TIME. BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. I KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THAT GOT VOTED DOWN BY COUNCIL. LET'S SAY GIVE IT A YEAR, RIGHT? YEAR TO YEAR. SO FROM THIS DAY, GO A YEAR BACK AND LET'S JUST SEE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. BUT I SURE AM CURIOUS BECAUSE I THINK INCONSISTENCY HERE CREATES INCONSISTENCY THERE. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE IT, THEN WE NEED TO THEN PROPERLY WEIGHT IT BASED ON STAFF VERSUS. CONFUSION HERE, SO THAT'LL BE A GOOD METRICS FOR ME TO WORK FROM. OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST DECIDING FACTOR FOR ME, CREDIT TO CREDIT TO SCOTT BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. I SAID. INITIALLY THINGS WERE GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS. SCOTT GOT TO FIX IT. OKAY, WE'RE WORKING ON IT. MAIER GREAT. THEN I WENT BACK TO HIM AND SAID, SCOTT, MAN, I'M GETTING LESS EMAILS. I APPRECIATE YOU WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. GREAT. HERE'S THE KICKER. START. AN EMAIL STARTED SPINNING BACK UP AGAIN, SAID SCOTT. MAN, I'M GETTING EMAILS AGAIN. WHAT'S GOING ON? HEY, I THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. OPEN AND HONEST ANSWER. TOOK ACCOUNTABILITY. DIDN'T SAY HEY, NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE. SAID YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING TO SEE HERE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND WE'LL GET IT BACK IN LINE. AND SURE ENOUGH THAT THAT IS SETTLED IN. AND SO TO ME THAT'S A BIG DISTINCTION IN THAT WHEN WHEN THERE WAS AN ISSUE, HE DIDN'T HE DIDN'T SHUCK AND JIVE. HE SAID, HEY, YEAH, THERE'S AN ISSUE AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND I CAN RESPECT THAT AND I CAN WORK WITH THAT. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. MATT PASSES SIX ONE. [E. Consider adoption of an ordinance amending Chapter 25 "Streets, Sidewalks, And Public Places", Article I "In General", Section 25-4 "Painting or marking on public property; permit for painting address numbers for pay", of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Denton, to remove the requirement to obtain a permit; providing a repealer clause; providing a savings clause; providing a severability clause; providing a penalty clause; providing for publication; providing codification; and providing an effective date.] THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX E ID 24128. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 25 STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC PLACES. ARTICLE ONE. IN GENERAL, SECTION 20 5-4 PAINTING OR MARKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. PERMIT FOR PAINTING. ADDRESS NUMBERS FOR PAY. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS. I'LL PROMISE I'LL BE BRIEF ON THIS. [04:35:01] THIS IS RELATED TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. SO YOU USUALLY SEE ME WITH THE DDC. SO THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TONIGHT. SO THIS IS RELATED TO SECTION 25 FOR PAINTING OR MARKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY PERMIT FOR PAINTING ADDRESS NUMBERS FOR PAY. THERE IS A PICTURE ON YOUR SCREEN SHOWING REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT IS PAINTING THE HOUSE NUMBERS ON, ON THE CURB. OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT. HOWEVER, WE REALIZE THAT THAT PERMIT HASN'T BEEN ISSUED SINCE 2019. WE CHECKED WITH FIRE STAFF. IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES TO FIND HOMES. NOR DO THEY REVIEW THAT PERMIT FOR FOR COMPLIANCE. SO REALLY, THIS IS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO MAKE MAKE THE CODE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICES AND REMOVING THAT THAT PERMIT PIECE KEEPING EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME. SO I WON'T READ ALL OF THAT ON YOUR SCREEN. BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS. I HAD A QUESTION. WE HAD THAT LINE SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY RETURN AND AS SORT OF YOUR PICTURING. BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS THEIR DRIVEWAY RETURN AT THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BY THEIR MAILBOX, AND AND SO WE'RE ONLY WE ARE ONLY ALLOWING NUMBERS BY THE DRIVEWAY. SO THOSE ARE THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. AND SO WE JUST REALLY JUST LEFT EVERYTHING IN PLACE AS THEY'VE BEEN EXCEPT FOR THAT PERMIT. IF, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, OF COURSE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF WE NEED TO REFINE THAT FURTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADEQUATELY CAPTURE WHAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES NEED IN TERMS OF, OF THESE PAINTING ON THE CURBS. YEAH. I HAVE NO HEARTBURN ABOUT IF WE'RE NOT ENFORCING AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO NOT ENFORCE, THEN THEN WHY HAVE IT IN THERE? BUT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY, I MOVE APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? MAYOR PRO TEM A SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR HOLLAND, PLEASE. SO A VOTE. A VOTE. YES. HELP! HELP ME WITH. HELP ME WITH THIS I IT JUST SEEMS. IT JUST SEEMS SORT OF ARBITRARY. THE THE PHRASING. A VOTE. YES. SUPPORTS WHAT? THE THE REMOVAL, THE THE AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REMOVE THE PORTION MARKED OUT FOR THAT PERMIT, ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE TO CLEAR IT UP. SO IT WOULD JUST REALLY ESSENTIALLY REMOVE THAT PERMIT REQUIREMENT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE ON THE SCREEN. I THOUGHT IT WAS ME. DON'T ANSWER IT, GUY. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO TAKES US TO CONCLUDING ITEMS. [7. CONCLUDING ITEMS] MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, I WORE MY PIN. I REMIND EVERYONE, I THINK SEVERAL OF US HERE ON THE, ON THE DAIS WENT AND VOTED TODAY BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONVENIENT FOR US AT THE CIVIC CENTER. BUT EARLY VOTING STARTS TODAY. SO I REMIND ANYONE WHO'S STILL WATCHING AT 921 THAT EARLY VOTING IS UNDERWAY. I WANT TO WISH A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TRUSTEE. CHERYL ENGLISH AND REPRESENTATIVES STUCKEY AND HAYES. IT'S THEIR BIRTHDAY. AND MY BIRTHDAY IS THURSDAY, SO. YEAH. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER. BYRD. YES. I WANT TO REMIND THE CITIZENS TO USE THE ENGAGE DENTON APP. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO THAT. AND OUR CITY IS VERY RESPONSIVE. I USE ENGAGED IN APP WHENEVER I'M KIND OF TOOLING AROUND AND I SEE SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF ORDER, I JUST PUT IT ON. ENGAGE. DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PLEASE DO THAT, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND HELP THE CITY OUT AND BE SURE AND TAKE PICTURES BECAUSE THEY LIKE PICTURES AS WELL. [04:40:01] AND YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE ENGAGE DATING APP. ALSO GO TO DISCUSS DENTON TO FIND OUT THE LATEST INFORMATION THAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY, A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE CITY WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO THAT'S A LOCATION THAT YOU CAN GO TO. IT'S CALLED DISCUSS DENTON AND YOUR LATEST INFORMATION THERE. AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE THE CITIZENS TO GO TO THE, THIS DASHBOARD THAT THE CITY HAS, IT'S IT'S IT GIVES YOU THE LATEST INFORMATION ON OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES. I BELIEVE EVERY YEAR WE COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A PRIORITY. WE FOUND OUT ONE OF OUR IN OUR LAST MEETING, THAT WE HAD 129 PRIORITIES OUT THERE. SO FOR YOU TO KIND OF HELP US PUSH THOSE ALONG, BRING THOSE FORWARD, REMIND US OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IN REGARDS TO THOSE 129 PROJECTS. SO YOU CAN HELP ALSO UNDERSTAND THE UNDERTAKING THAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND DO THINGS FOR US AND HELP US BE WHO WE ARE. I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT DASHBOARD TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THOSE OUT THERE FOR YOU. PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT YOU HAVE A VOICE. WE'VE HEARD OUR VOICE TONIGHT, AND IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU STAY ON TOP OF THINGS. YOU CAN STILL CALL US, EMAIL US, TEXT US. YOU ALL KNOW YOU DO THAT. SO WE CONTINUE TO WANT YOU TO DO THAT. BUT YOU ALSO MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE QUESTION ANSWERED QUICKER. IF YOU GO THROUGH THOSE THOSE, THOSE WAYS OF GETTING YOUR INFORMATION. THANK YOU ALL. AND YOU ALL HAVE A PLEASANT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE EACH OTHER HERE. MY ANNIVERSARY IS COMING UP 35 YEARS. THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 39 TOGETHER. SO JUST MY HUSBAND IS WATCHING. I LOVE YOU, HONEY. SO Y'ALL TAKE CARE. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGEE 39 TOGETHER. 39. WELL, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF WAS HAPPENING IN 1985. THAT WAS A REAL GOOD YEAR. SHOUT OUT TO 1985. AGAIN, I WANT TO ECHO I. IT'S GREAT HAVING YOU BACK IN PERSON. IT HELPS ME PARTICULARLY LEARNING THE HISTORY OF THINGS WHICH SOME OF US ORDINARILY UP HERE WOULD NOT GET THAT IF NOT FOR YOUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK IN PERSON. AND TO ECHO WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM DOCTOR BECK SAID YES. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GO AND VOTE. AND WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO VOTE BECAUSE AS I'VE SAID SO MANY TIMES FROM THIS DAIS, IF VOTING DIDN'T MATTER, SOME PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. SO LET'S GO VOTE. OKAY. MAKING THAT NOTE. OKAY. IS THAT OLD COUNCIL MEMBER RIGHT? YEAH, JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY. SO I WANT TO REAL QUICK START OFF BY SAYING REST IN PEACE TO THE PEBBLE ROCK WALL THAT WAS ON THE FACADE OF THE MCNEIL'S BUILDING. POUR OUT A DIET COKE FOR IT, MY HOMIE. BLACK HISTORY PROGRAM IS ON THE 29TH OF THIS MONTH AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING CENTER. THAT'S A THURSDAY. NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK AND PAC ARE TEAMED UP TOGETHER FOR SOME SOME TRUCKS AND THEIR AMAZING TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE THE ENTIRE REGION WELL. SO I WAS HONORED TO BE THERE TO CELEBRATE THAT. AND THEN GRATEFUL FOR HOME DEPOT'S SECOND LOCATION, JUST FROM A, FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT AND INTRODUCING PEOPLE. THEY HAD A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE THAT MAYBE HADN'T BEEN IN DENTON FOR A WHILE OR HADN'T BEEN IN DENTON AT ALL. AND SO THEY'RE THERE FOR THAT GRAND OPENING. SO THAT WAS GREAT TO EXPOSE THEM TO DENTON AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THEM COME BACK AND HOPE THEY ENJOYED THEIR TIME HERE. THE TEXAS VETERANS HALL OF FAME HAD THEIR GOLDEN TRIANGLE MALL HOSTED A COFFEE. LAST I THINK IT WAS LAST FRIDAY OR WHATEVER IT WAS, BUT IT WAS IT WAS A LOT OF IT WAS GREAT. I APPRECIATE THEM DOING THAT. AND GARY STEEL'S ALWAYS FANTASTIC ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. AND THEN THIS PAST SATURDAY I WAS ABLE TO GO TO UNT'S LACROSSE MATCH. THEY HAVE, I THINK, THREE MORE HOME GAMES. AND I WAS ABLE TO SUPPORT A MUTUAL FRIEND, A FRIEND OF A FRIEND, ROY SANDERS. HE'S 45. HE'S A UNT STUDENT, WHICH IS AWESOME. AND HE PLAYS WITH HIS SON, ALSO PLAYS ON THE TEAM. HE'S HIS NAME IS WESLEY. HE'S A MIDFIELDER ON THE TEAM. AND THEN I'LL SHARE OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT BARSTOOL SPORTS WROTE A STORY ABOUT HIM. REALLY NEAT. AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S A YOUNG MAN'S GAME. BUT HE WAS IN THE HE WAS IN GOAL AND HE DID AMAZING WORK. SO IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF BE OUT THERE WITH SOME FRIENDS AND SUPPORT HIM, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SUPER COLD. [04:45:02] AND THEN MY MIDDLE DAUGHTER IS. MUST BE THE MIDDLE FOR JORDAN. HER BIRTHDAY IS TOMORROW, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JORDAN ASHLEY. AND THEN SATURDAY IS A COPA FAMILIA. AND THAT'S IT. CALHOUN. AND THAT'S KIND OF ALL DAY EVENT. I THINK IT STARTS AROUND NINE FOR. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT GOLD DENTON, PLEASE DO SO. LOTS OF LOTS OF FAMILY FUN OUT THERE ALL DAY. AND THEN PRIDE AND GLORY PRO WRESTLING. IF YOU'RE A PRO WRESTLING FAN AT DENTON CALVARY, THAT'S ON SATURDAY AS WELL. THAT EVENING I THINK IT'S SIX. SO YOU CAN GO WATCH THE SOME EXCITING WRESTLING THERE AT SO THAT'S PRIDE AND GLORY PRO WRESTLING EVENT FOR IT'S A FUNDRAISER HERE IN TOWN. AND SO AT 927, I WILL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.