WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.720 can't see anymore all right all right i am going to call the meeting to order for the regular 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:15.840 meeting on monday february 12 20 24 it is 5 30 and so if we would i am calling it to the order 00:00:15.840 --> 00:00:17.920 if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:28.320 i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:35.280 it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:46.240 honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to be texas one state under god one and indivisible 00:00:49.120 --> 00:01:00.480 appreciate that all right moving along our agenda is we are going to consider the approval of the 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:07.360 minutes of the january 8th 2024 has everyone had a chance to look over those minutes i mean 00:01:11.440 --> 00:01:22.960 i think you got that one down there all right if you um i've had a chance to read those 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:29.520 minutes if there's any things we need to know if not i will take motions to approve i move approval 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:39.120 all right thank you all right all in favor raise your hands say aye all right carries unanimous 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:47.440 thank you for that all right item 3a number hlc 24-005 on our agenda is to receive a report 00:01:47.440 --> 00:01:55.440 and hold a discussion on this new historic eligible structure map so that's why we got the gs 00:01:55.440 --> 00:02:04.480 so before jacob begins i just want to introduce jacob um crocker he's our grs analyst he has been 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:12.320 of huge help on this he's like the mastermind behind this map um we've been working through 00:02:12.320 --> 00:02:18.960 since october october we're working on this map so we're really excited to launch it in front of 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:25.360 you all today so you can kind of go through it all um jacob's gonna be here to kind of break it all 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.000 down for you guys but i'm very excited and i will be here to assist him any questions 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:39.200 evening y'all um so a couple of the goals here were to make the map a little bit more usable 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:46.160 um so the first thing we did was the built-in web map for the website here we decided to just 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:54.000 simply down do just what you need to know that's really just you've got the homes and you can click 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:01.760 on a bit pops up and it gives you um kind of like a paragraph breakdown of what the home is um this 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:06.640 is contrary to the past one where it had it more of as a table felt like this was a better for just 00:03:06.640 --> 00:03:11.920 people are looking at it it reads more like a story a little bit easier to digest um than just 00:03:11.920 --> 00:03:19.120 an attribute table uh now if we click on either you know this button here or the link they'll both 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:28.240 take you to the same now you get more of what y'all saw in the old map um we've got our you know our 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:35.360 table down here so you can look through if you really wanted to dive deep into the data um 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:45.040 and we were a big focus of this map was to go and show homes that have been 00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:54.160 demolished or are renovated in some way where they lose they can possibly lose the fact that 00:03:54.160 --> 00:04:01.120 they're historically eligible um so that's kind of how we we changed the symbology um how the map 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:07.920 looks so you're seeing green shows ones are still historically eligible um the gold shows exterior 00:04:07.920 --> 00:04:14.320 modifications red shows that the structure was demolished um that's too much red yeah 00:04:16.960 --> 00:04:24.080 so and we added some some filters so if you wanted to say um you know filter the map by the year the 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:33.680 survey was done you could so you could just see what was filtered in 1996 versus 2012 versus 2015 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:39.680 or if you wanted to filter through the different types of alterations that we have gone through 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:48.480 and then we just gave the community some text here just to kind of say you know what's what's 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:56.400 this map about it's to help us designate properties do you want to walk me through how when you zoom 00:04:56.400 --> 00:05:02.160 in all of these information yeah so a lot of this information including the table and the chart does 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:09.440 adjust automatically as you move in and out that way you're getting your data with your map you 00:05:09.440 --> 00:05:15.920 don't have to to guess you know here you can see there's okay in this map the u18 structures have 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:30.960 been demolished since the 1996 survey whereas if you zoom out so you're up to 216 um now part part 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:38.240 of this wasn't just the uh i guess the the front of the map we also went into the actual data of 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:45.040 the map and kind of started from scratch so we went back to all three surveys took all the data 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:51.920 combined them all and then tried to get as accurate as we could to where that 00:05:51.920 --> 00:06:00.880 house was when that service the original server is taken in 1996 so we we ended up 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:10.480 partnering up with the Emily Fowler library they had a map from 1958 that took pictures of combined 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:16.000 it all together you know had the house footprints so we used that as a backdrop to really help 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.960 you know get our home locations as accurate as possible for those that have been demolished 00:06:20.960 --> 00:06:28.960 so that's why we're as accurate as we can be at this point and 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:38.560 for the modifications that's that information is going to be updated bi-weekly we're going 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:43.280 to go through and look at permits and see if any permits have been pulled for any of these structures 00:06:43.280 --> 00:06:50.320 and update this map as those are done so we look and just see we look at the permit and see what 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:55.280 was done to the house to see if it you know if it's interior modifications and it's 00:06:56.640 --> 00:07:01.360 nothing with the exterior but we categorize it into our exterior modifications or 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:11.200 primary structure demo or secondary structure so any questions about the the user capabilities or 00:07:11.200 --> 00:07:23.040 process we went through yes sir just on the map i don't know we don't usually allow public comment 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:29.040 during the work session it's a question just why that is that the border on the south side of them 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:38.560 like historic homes which the west of Sarco district well long teesley there's an old home 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:44.320 that used to be a farmhouse it's not recognized it means it was not surveyed for any of those surveys 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:56.640 at the time of the class it's registered i was just thinking it was a lot of good information 00:07:56.640 --> 00:08:04.560 and better organized before it could be useful so i was thinking had you ever considered going out 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:11.200 to the black neighborhood associations getting on their calendar going out explaining to the 00:08:11.200 --> 00:08:22.240 neighbors with a focus on their area so that's definitely something that we can do um we just 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:30.880 when did we just publish this last week yes so we're very empathy of it being just online but i 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:34.880 think if you think that would be a great idea we'd be more than happy to go to the different 00:08:34.880 --> 00:08:41.440 neighborhood associations and kind of give them information regarding this map saying hey you know 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.720 you're for idiot cell you're an idiot cell look at how many eligible properties you have in that 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.640 area you know are you interested in designating and as jacob pointed out we've kind of listed 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:59.040 those property owner and community benefits right up front so people understand what are the benefits 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:06.800 of designating your property but also um sorry jacob here um one of the great things that jacob 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:13.840 did is that so obviously as you scroll in you'll see some of those structure alterations as you 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:20.160 scroll in but it also is showing us a year built and from what we've been able to determine a lot 00:09:20.160 --> 00:09:27.760 of our homes were built throughout the 1920s and 30s for the most part and so if we start to see 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.800 more and more demolitions you know we're starting to see a lot of demolitions around UNT's campus 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:39.280 which that happens as the universities grow we see some of that around TWU's campus 00:09:39.280 --> 00:09:47.280 um so i think it's really good not only for the data but it also helps tell a story so right now 00:09:47.280 --> 00:09:56.000 we're also in the process of getting the film from the 1996 survey digitized so we can add it 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:05.520 to these um points because some of these points um as jacob was saying we kind of had to figure out 00:10:05.520 --> 00:10:09.920 based off the photography where these homes were especially for the demolished because 00:10:09.920 --> 00:10:17.040 our street layouts have changed in some areas um just the buildings in general have changed so we 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:24.880 were kind of having to do educational research guessing in a way that's getting as accurate as 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:32.480 possible as we could get um but we're hoping that this map not only helps with the designation 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:39.840 process but it helps to tell a story of Denton you know obviously the sole purpose not the sole 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:46.240 purpose but the main purpose is we want people to see how many historically eligible properties 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:52.960 have been demolished which 216 that's that's pretty significant especially since we've only 00:10:52.960 --> 00:11:01.600 designated about i believe 20 properties since 1996 so you've seen more demolitions by a long shot 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:08.560 than we've seen designations um and then with the addition of the photographs and some additional 00:11:08.560 --> 00:11:14.080 data as you all start to go through it you know i think we're more than happy to take the feedback 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:20.320 Jacob can let me know whether or not the software can handle it but we're hoping that this is just 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.920 a good start and you know not only people can use it for research but just get interested in what's 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:34.320 going on in the city especially with permits. I was thinking that that house that we recently 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:46.560 approved on Mariana I was thinking that that was a different thing than we had usually seen in terms 00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:55.200 of historical properties you know enlarging but yet maintaining right what was there and if people 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:01.040 could understand that that was a possibility when somebody says well that structure is just not 00:12:01.040 --> 00:12:08.400 suitable for me it's too small that there may be a way to incorporate that into a larger structure 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:18.880 that would serve you and would have the advantages of a historic designation but i think that people 00:12:18.880 --> 00:12:26.800 just don't know right so that that's why it occurred to me that that it might make a good 00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:33.040 program for a neighborhood association monthly or whatever however often they need 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:41.120 Miami. And maybe add realtors to that. Yes, yes. 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:52.640 I have a couple questions. On the first map or the previous map that I saw there was a priority 00:12:52.640 --> 00:12:59.280 designation is that still listed anywhere there was like a medium low and high priority for 00:13:00.400 --> 00:13:07.280 preservation? So right now we don't have that showing on the public side we still we still 00:13:07.280 --> 00:13:14.560 retain that information of course but just because all three surveys didn't record that data we 00:13:14.560 --> 00:13:24.000 decided just to not show it publicly. Does this map show properties in Denton that are designated? 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:31.280 Yes so it has them as this light blue color here. So we have a legend key right here we just noticed 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:38.720 that we need to get 314 period updates so yeah but yeah so everything is color proven so you'll see 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:46.080 historically designated primary yeah but if you think that needs to live somewhere else 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:52.080 this the software that Jacob uses is actually very like versatile and it's very helpful so we he can 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.640 pick and choose where everything lives on the screen we just kind of put it to the edge because 00:13:56.640 --> 00:14:00.720 we didn't want that to be the main focus. No I think it's great I love that it's on the map my 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.760 maybe I'm just too far away and if I was on a computer I was getting lost for me with the 00:14:05.760 --> 00:14:11.520 green I couldn't see the blue for all the green right but I think it's a again a powerful 00:14:11.520 --> 00:14:18.000 storytelling tool to say this is all that's eligible these are the you know the fewer many 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:26.400 fewer that have actually been designated. And that that kind of was was the kind of goal for 00:14:26.400 --> 00:14:33.120 with the the color of the dots you know you and then you've kind of got to look for those 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.280 historically eligible properties so it's kind of that's how it's portrayed in the map and 00:14:37.280 --> 00:14:44.640 we wanted the the modifications and demolitions to really pop out of the that be the the focus of 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:50.960 of the map so you can see you know hey all this changes happen in these neighborhoods. 00:14:50.960 --> 00:15:03.680 Yeah so just for both of you number one great word this is fantastic I'm I'm digging it and 00:15:03.680 --> 00:15:11.760 I can't wait to dig in into this but I'm I'm a communications professor so I'm like okay 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:18.320 communication plan how are we gonna use it what types of different uses because I can I can look 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:24.560 at this and kind of not be afraid to like jump in look at it but then I share Lenny's concern 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:30.560 about like outreach and awareness right like how does your average LA person how would they be able 00:15:30.560 --> 00:15:35.840 because I I feel like I couldn't share this in like a like a Facebook community group and say hey 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:42.720 go check out this map and you know it might be a little much might be a little much however if I 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:47.600 shared a video walkthrough it was just like three to five minutes you see what I mean like that that 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:55.440 could be a difference maker and I'm just I'm just doing that out as ideas to explore when we think 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:00.160 about how we can best put this in front of the public to maybe work with our you know city 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:06.080 television production video production maybe make some of those things and then 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:12.320 Cameron you mentioned that or who mentioned that like real estate agents I feel like if we could 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.680 get some real estate agents who may be specialized in properties in these historic districts to kind 00:16:17.680 --> 00:16:25.360 of understand this as a way to also educate people that they're interacting with that might they they 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.200 might see this as a useful tool because then that opens that conversation about whoa whoa what do you 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:34.000 mean historic designation what do you mean that might mean money for renovation for you know 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:41.040 renovations and things like that right as well as you know Lenny suggested to take the recent 00:16:41.040 --> 00:16:46.560 what I think is is a very interesting win to kind of open people's minds of course most people when 00:16:46.560 --> 00:16:50.480 you're talking about historic designation you're like whoa whoa whoa you're going to make you change 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:59.040 all my stuff right I mean that's real like you know you're into that so um yeah just some ideas 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:05.120 about a communication plan you know we can help with that um that might be something to put in 00:17:05.120 --> 00:17:12.720 future genus to explore and I think most people when he's talking about historic they immediately 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:20.160 think oh yeah right yeah and they don't realize that there are these designations around 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:29.120 and all the corners and properties like over by twu I think they mistake ancient history too you 00:17:29.120 --> 00:17:38.640 know it's like no no whoa whoa but I think it's a fascinating uh yeah tool that you have and so 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:46.800 now I'm thinking um how do we get it out to the public get them aware of it because I find that 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:52.880 most times when people are reluctant to do something it's because they just don't know 00:17:52.880 --> 00:18:03.920 great work I want to celebrate the win yes yes it's a wonderful two yes yeah nice 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:14.880 if no one else has questions I do have a question so you you said um it went bad 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:22.400 how many years did you say that not the survey but structure wise you're looking at the are you 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:28.720 talking about the majority of the year built yes mostly 1920s and 30s and 30s that's what I thought 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:34.480 that's what I thought I was saying so is there anything yeah so that's great there you go I just 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:42.320 anything like where would we go beyond that like at what point would we say okay we have now 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:55.120 1962 which by the way is not that long ago just saying no that's recent history yes 00:18:55.120 --> 00:19:01.680 I just wonder past that but I think this is great and that's something you can look at for 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:07.520 future but I think that's a great tool to have over beyond when we want to you know put another 00:19:07.520 --> 00:19:15.040 year on there too yeah I think that's fantastic yeah I think that something that we were talking 00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:21.760 about with um I can't remember what month it is may I think it's always may that's historic 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:29.200 preservation month preservation that's it so that would be good and the mariana house that 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:35.280 you have on there um if we did a video it'd be good to have an interview with that one too just 00:19:37.040 --> 00:19:43.760 yeah is that all great ideas yeah I have a question that could be more free camera so um 00:19:43.760 --> 00:19:50.560 you were talking about like the in terms of knowing what's happened to the buildings interior exterior 00:19:50.560 --> 00:19:57.040 sort of when permits are pulled that's when it gets flagged I I'm I'm thinking about right 00:19:57.040 --> 00:20:01.520 realistically what are the steps that somebody's going to take to preserve their home right to 00:20:01.520 --> 00:20:07.280 convince them go ahead and go spend ten thousand dollars or more to then qualify I wonder if there's 00:20:07.280 --> 00:20:13.040 a way talking about communication strategy or appealing to a captive audience of people that 00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:18.240 are already thinking about right they're already pulling permits they're buying homes and they're 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:24.960 already thinking about what what might I invest in this to make it um is there a thought or a 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:30.320 strategy about capturing people that are figuring out who it is that's already working to spend that 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:35.440 money and then having that conversation about preservation versus going at it the other way 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:41.360 um so I was gonna say I feel like in the past we've had conversations about maybe kind of having 00:20:41.360 --> 00:20:48.400 like a town hall and saying if you're interested in designing your property um you know come to 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:55.680 this town hall learn more about that process what that looks like I think right now our tax incentives 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:02.000 this is something I'll talk about more at the matrix when we get to the matrix but um I think 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:09.120 our tax incentives need to be um kind of heightened or elevated especially for owner-occupied yes 00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:17.200 for owner-occupied lands is all about it but for those owner-occupied homes um because those are 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:23.440 really the people that I'm having conversations with I think Lacey's had conversations when I 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:28.160 haven't been at the office so those are people that we're constantly hearing from are those 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:34.160 owner-occupied so I think we can tell them and share with them what we have now and kind of that 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.400 town hall setting but I think there are a lot of things that we need to do behind the scenes 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:45.760 to make our local benefits even better so I know that doesn't directly answer your questions but 00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:53.760 I think there's still maybe a step or two before we yeah yeah yeah make sense and there was a time 00:21:53.760 --> 00:21:58.720 to your point there was a time back when ten thousand dollars was unlocked that sounds like 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:05.600 a lot I'm going to tell you put a roof on you know wait insurance is now I need to you know 00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:12.960 deductibles are huge and stuff it's like man it doesn't take long that's a great point unfortunately 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:18.640 but we can think of a range of incentives so I mean because they're that's that's the thing 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:26.160 it's like to get yes outside of I mean tax yes got it money yes but there are other 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:32.320 yeah great discussion great job it's a fine stuff it is 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:49.120 I didn't I didn't do that to make you sit down oh sorry all right it was a five-star average 00:22:49.120 --> 00:22:59.840 yes okay moving along on item 3b number hlc 24-003 on our agenda is to receive a report and hold a 00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:04.960 discussion and give staff direction on the historic landmark commission's request 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.800 for local historic designation of eligible historic properties 00:23:11.280 --> 00:23:19.440 maybe on that same topic so this is where has anyone found any a property that you would like 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:35.440 to put on the list maybe next time so I think the map is helpful for that very reason because the 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:40.000 three properties that I had my eye on that I think to give you homes so I don't think we can but I 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:46.160 don't know for sure but that would map I can go directly to that map now and look to see instead 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:53.040 of having to do all of that research so I think that that's helpful if you have enough information 00:23:53.040 --> 00:23:56.560 can I ask about related like any follow-up on the viewers farm 00:23:56.560 --> 00:24:06.080 so they haven't turned in any applications or anything they are going to preserve the farmhouse 00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:12.960 the cemetery portion of it I believe that the planner on the project did inform them and they 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:20.000 just plan on avoiding that area right now until they actually turn in applications but I believe 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.200 they are have been made aware by the planner she told me they were going to she was going to tell 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:30.000 them last week so and they are preserving the farmhouse correct yeah they're going to integrate 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:38.720 that into the overall feature yes we have that in writing sometimes this is via teams discussions 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:44.080 and I do have some emails of saying there's interest in turning into an amenity center 00:24:44.080 --> 00:25:03.520 you bet okay baby steps any other discussion on on item three b I'm sorry I think it's on I 00:25:03.520 --> 00:25:09.840 think it's still on just item have have has staff heard back from any of the African American 00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:13.920 churches I approached them during the Quaker Town celebration and they all received envelopes 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:20.240 yes gave them a little bit of information and yes so thank you for reminding me I've heard 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:26.240 from Pleasant Grove Baptist Church they are interested in getting designated primarily at 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:32.960 the state level because they are eligible for a tax exemptions at the state level so they have 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.680 reached out to me one of their members of their congregation actually works for the city 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:46.000 so we had a meeting and conversation and she said that they they were going to vote to kind of 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:52.160 inquire more and she said that they had that discussion last week and so I'm hopefully going 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:57.280 to meet with her this week or next week to kind of move through that process yeah all right thank 00:25:57.280 --> 00:26:05.360 you for doing that too sometimes you got to be a vet and see you know I remember it was called that 00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:18.080 day okay next item on the agenda is 3c number hlc 24-004 on our agenda is to hold a discussion 00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:26.480 regarding the historic landmark commissions project matrix so um I know two of the requests 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:31.200 that quantify the economic impact of preserving historic properties and then the discussion 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:35.520 regarding benefits for preserving historic properties and how other cities are incentivizing 00:26:35.520 --> 00:26:43.760 owners that was supposed to be for this month we are still in the process of working on that data 00:26:43.760 --> 00:26:48.880 but I think the March 18th will be pretty interesting conversation so hopefully everyone 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:57.040 can be in attendance for that but Jacob and his team are working on all the data information and 00:26:57.040 --> 00:27:04.320 cleaning and diving into that so we'll talk about kind of the economic impact and incentivizing 00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:11.600 property owners and everything in March and then the presentation for preliminary guidelines I've 00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:18.720 just put that on hold just because we no longer have that subcommittee in place and then the 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.760 walking tour and our focus group for historic property owners we will schedule that sometime 00:27:23.760 --> 00:27:29.840 in the spring so Lacey will reach out to you all via email with a few dates and go from there 00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:37.840 we're thinking primarily just because we're still dealing with you know the light or the sun going 00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:42.960 down a little bit earlier so we might need to do it towards the end of a work day I know that can 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.240 be very difficult for people and their schedules so that's why we're going to throw out a few dates 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.120 I don't know if anyone is available on Saturdays and Sundays also I know it's everyone's weekend 00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:59.600 maybe not exactly what you want to do because this is volunteer based but just trying to work in where 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:03.920 we can maybe have those two meetings but we'll be in touch with you all in the next week 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:14.880 and then this was the item from January that Commissioner McAdams have to place on 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:21.120 for HLC's consideration so you all can take a vote on that tonight if you want to and then 00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:31.520 obviously our annual updates with our 2024 work goals well I think that what Commissioner McAdams 00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:39.120 had on here for the quarterly HLC meetings to educate property owners that goes along with the 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:48.960 map that you discussed for sure absolutely I would like us adding to that not just quarterly but to 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:57.360 expand because of the great things that have happened with Marietta Street possibly doing if 00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:05.520 and I don't I think that homeowner would do a video for us he seems very willing and I would 00:29:05.520 --> 00:29:15.040 like to see if that would could possibly do that on what his experience was I do what a testimonial 00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:21.280 absolutely yes absolutely and if we could start with that and like when you say pictures 00:29:21.280 --> 00:29:28.080 if he would allow to go in for updates on his project and what's what's going on with it I 00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:35.280 consider that a win I think realtors would love that as well but just what all he went through 00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:40.720 his experience yeah because I think that is yeah provide training to local realtors and makers is 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:52.160 one of y'all's 2024 goals so so if you if I guess we need to decide what we kind of want the wording 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:57.840 to be or I guess the general idea for those quarterly HLC meetings so that we can vote on 00:29:57.840 --> 00:30:02.320 it and then I can add it to the matrix as a request that we kind of have living on there 00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:10.960 so we do need to get a vote okay all right do I have a motion for us to keep this to put this on 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:17.200 the matrix I'll make that motion to put this on the matrix and this would be as a quarterly target 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.160 correct well we can word it that's what we're saying your motion you can help word that okay 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:30.400 quarterly HLC meetings to discuss and educate the story so okay yeah I'll make a motion for us to 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:37.440 create an agenda or a template with such a project okay 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:50.640 any discussion agenda slash in next month or by by March or April as as staff's schedules 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:58.640 or second second all right all in favor are you ready to say yes 00:31:02.560 --> 00:31:08.960 are there any others that we've talked about wanting to add to this anything with it matrix 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.160 tag on to it 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:22.480 related to this can we request staff can can we like get a meeting with the 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.960 videographers or maybe they come and we ask about their schedule and availability to maybe 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:35.520 record some little things for us oh with denton television yeah I would say I can speak with 00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:44.480 the director of denton television and see I did have a briefing with him back in January after 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:54.560 our January meeting and we can't do an introductory video just because no other 00:31:54.560 --> 00:31:58.640 boards or commissions have really done something like that and once we do it for 00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:06.080 HLC we'd have to do it for everyone right also it would change it would also require if you know 00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:12.080 boards and commissions if someone resigns someone is removed the next day they're going to constantly 00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:19.680 having to re-update that so um but there is interest and that they do want to assist us in 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.560 getting the positive news out there about the historic landmark commission um they just said we 00:32:24.560 --> 00:32:29.920 might need to do some moly over and think about how we kind of display that so we can definitely 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:35.360 have that kind of larger conversation with them and just see what are some of their ideas of getting 00:32:35.360 --> 00:32:42.880 the good news out there let's focus on what we can do so could we do that video so if we had a 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:52.320 testimonial could it go on the dentin website for testimonials under the HLC tab something like that 00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:57.920 yeah that if that's doable I would say I can definitely ask I know that would be partially 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:03.920 city secretary's office um and they did when I spoke to them they did say that we can add 00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:11.040 additional information under like our historic landmark commission board tab but I don't know if 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:18.080 that includes videos but I can ask them about that as well yeah because maybe we might be 00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:25.840 or maybe the property owner could find a filmmaker who wants to do a little documentary 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:34.160 like the um wants to open a film festival in line there you go welcome festival and also we 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:40.880 have of course media production at UNT that they're always curious about possible student 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:50.800 projects so yeah we might also ask about an internship or something at some point 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:55.360 but that would be a great conversation to have with them if that becomes a project that would 00:33:55.360 --> 00:34:05.360 help them attract and train interns and absolutely I have one other question on this matrix well we 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:14.080 talked about the walking tour yes I think it's great I'm just thinking with the walking tour limit 00:34:14.080 --> 00:34:22.640 like not everything is within walking distance that's just what my mind went correct so um we 00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:29.680 would have to split it into two different days okay and um that's kind of why Lacey's going to 00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:36.400 send out a couple different dates just to see um you know I know not every date will work for 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:43.440 everyone um we'd also have to put a notice of possible forum out for these kind of tours 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:51.760 but it we do not expect everyone to walk every single historic district in one day 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:57.440 and put on your walking shoes that well but we're also trying to get it completed before the summer 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:03.520 because it's gonna be way too hot yeah and I don't expect anyone is I'm not I'm not gonna do it 00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:09.200 I know you guys don't want to do it it's too warm here um to do that during the summer so um 00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:15.520 I can kind of mull it over a little bit more and work with Lacey and we'll kind of figure out 00:35:15.520 --> 00:35:20.800 what makes most sense and maybe do some mapping and but um we'll send those dates within the next 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:28.400 week but it definitely won't be um all at once okay and just to clarify that is for this committee 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:35.680 to go and explore historic yeah yes yes explore those properties that you all have jurisdiction 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:42.960 over and see kind of where we are in terms of maintenance how it's looking um just to kind of 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:50.640 piggyback off just real quick as a so long just sorry but just to in terms of like historic 00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:57.600 districts um you know I'm getting complaints or calls about like the streets themselves so a lot 00:35:57.600 --> 00:36:02.720 of people are saying hey our our streets are part of our historic districts but they're not being 00:36:02.720 --> 00:36:08.640 maintained or they're over you know saturated with too many cars on the streets but you're asking us 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:13.520 to maintain our properties which are connected straight to the streets so you know we're getting 00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:18.160 arguments like that from historic property owners so I think it'll just be very interesting to walk 00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:24.240 around especially during the school day work day especially around the different campuses which 00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:29.040 are closer to the universities to kind of get a feel for what our historic districts are dealing 00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:36.480 with on a daily basis but also just to see what properties you all are working with we had a 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:43.920 council member not very long ago our members say but we have to remind the people who live in 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:48.560 historic districts they don't own the streets 00:36:48.560 --> 00:37:01.600 just like the rest of us don't you don't own the street because I know they're they're discussing 00:37:01.600 --> 00:37:07.520 what they're going to do about parking on some of those on oak street in particular 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:18.800 so you know we might want to invite council members to come join us on the block 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:26.560 hey I think that's a great idea why not or at least the district you know the different district 00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:33.440 council members that were walking I think that's a great idea yeah they are 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.720 but I think it's valid points we need to take under consideration so yeah keep an eye out 00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:51.520 this training for this matrix is it anywhere down in like the annual goals I'm just curious if you 00:37:51.520 --> 00:37:57.840 you had mentioned previously training opportunities yes so a lot of training opportunities are 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:05.360 actually online now so I'm going to be sending those out as they're sent to me but I do not 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:11.520 have any requests for a training session but I'm more than happy to do kind of a preliminary dive 00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:18.000 and do a overall um especially for our new commissioner student kind of overhaul of 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:23.040 everything that HLC has jurisdiction over but also just the different levels of destinations 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:36.560 and all that so I'm happy to do that if we want to add it to the majors um I mean are we am I 00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:43.200 correct in that we are required to do training annually yes one commissioner from uh is required 00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:48.880 to do training each year as part of the certified local government a minimum of one yes 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:57.120 and that is something that we have um struggled with in the past and that we have received lower 00:38:57.120 --> 00:39:09.680 scoring on um to complete the training it's just regular educational training continuing education 00:39:09.680 --> 00:39:16.960 so um I believe for my first two years I did usually a topic um training topic each 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:25.600 agenda in 2021 and 2022 but then we didn't have any new commissioners 00:39:25.600 --> 00:39:31.040 so we kind of had gotten through our training um and then from there it was just the requirement 00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:37.120 of the one commissioner at minimum doing annual but I'm more than happy to kind of bring some of 00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:46.240 those um past presentations back just to give you all get you up to speed and we did some training 00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:54.160 on our own so we know what what I mean is that wasn't like part of the this is what you have to 00:39:54.160 --> 00:40:01.680 do we did training on solar panels yes yes we did so we probably didn't get credit for that 00:40:01.680 --> 00:40:10.160 some things like that right I mean we did so yeah so we could do that too if you were looking 00:40:10.160 --> 00:40:18.720 you wanted something specific which we found very enlightening I don't know that I have any specific 00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:27.280 things in mind but they're half of us are pretty thinking new to this right so 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:33.520 maybe it would be helpful to do some training to get some knowledge about what we 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:40.720 you're gonna make that request oh we don't think the rest of us all like up on these things 00:40:40.720 --> 00:40:49.520 we're not we're just being longer okay so I make a request how do I do that how do I say that 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:58.880 properly you would like to request additional training moving forward topics I was gonna say 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:04.720 topics to be determined topics to be determined yeah like I can bring I can basically bring like 00:41:04.720 --> 00:41:09.360 some type of training each session topics of general interest to relevance of service on the 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:34.080 computer okay so we need that in a motion for us we need that in a motion and then we need to put 00:41:34.080 --> 00:41:42.640 training on the calendar for general topics to be determined thanks for is relevant to 00:41:42.640 --> 00:42:05.120 these interests in the commission I'll second that one anyone else have anything any other business 00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:27.040 to discuss if there's no other business we're adjourned at 6 12 p.m so before you guys leave 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:38.960 I got the commission of present oh shoot it just went 314 I didn't want to put the whole 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.640 address on there because I thought maybe they would be a little freaked out on the cake but 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:53.520 that just looks like a very early pie day yeah it has actually dang it that's also me