1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,720 can't see anymore all right all right i am going to call the meeting to order for the regular 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,840 meeting on monday february 12 20 24 it is 5 30 and so if we would i am calling it to the order 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,920 if we could please stand for the pledge of allegiance 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:28,320 i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:35,280 it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:46,240 honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to be texas one state under god one and indivisible 7 00:00:49,120 --> 00:01:00,480 appreciate that all right moving along our agenda is we are going to consider the approval of the 8 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:07,360 minutes of the january 8th 2024 has everyone had a chance to look over those minutes i mean 9 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:22,960 i think you got that one down there all right if you um i've had a chance to read those 10 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:29,520 minutes if there's any things we need to know if not i will take motions to approve i move approval 11 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:39,120 all right thank you all right all in favor raise your hands say aye all right carries unanimous 12 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:47,440 thank you for that all right item 3a number hlc 24-005 on our agenda is to receive a report 13 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:55,440 and hold a discussion on this new historic eligible structure map so that's why we got the gs 14 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:04,480 so before jacob begins i just want to introduce jacob um crocker he's our grs analyst he has been 15 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:12,320 of huge help on this he's like the mastermind behind this map um we've been working through 16 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:18,960 since october october we're working on this map so we're really excited to launch it in front of 17 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:25,360 you all today so you can kind of go through it all um jacob's gonna be here to kind of break it all 18 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,000 down for you guys but i'm very excited and i will be here to assist him any questions 19 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:39,200 evening y'all um so a couple of the goals here were to make the map a little bit more usable 20 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:46,160 um so the first thing we did was the built-in web map for the website here we decided to just 21 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:54,000 simply down do just what you need to know that's really just you've got the homes and you can click 22 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:01,760 on a bit pops up and it gives you um kind of like a paragraph breakdown of what the home is um this 23 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,640 is contrary to the past one where it had it more of as a table felt like this was a better for just 24 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:11,920 people are looking at it it reads more like a story a little bit easier to digest um than just 25 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:19,120 an attribute table uh now if we click on either you know this button here or the link they'll both 26 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:28,240 take you to the same now you get more of what y'all saw in the old map um we've got our you know our 27 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:35,360 table down here so you can look through if you really wanted to dive deep into the data um 28 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:45,040 and we were a big focus of this map was to go and show homes that have been 29 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:54,160 demolished or are renovated in some way where they lose they can possibly lose the fact that 30 00:03:54,160 --> 00:04:01,120 they're historically eligible um so that's kind of how we we changed the symbology um how the map 31 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,920 looks so you're seeing green shows ones are still historically eligible um the gold shows exterior 32 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:14,320 modifications red shows that the structure was demolished um that's too much red yeah 33 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:24,080 so and we added some some filters so if you wanted to say um you know filter the map by the year the 34 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:33,680 survey was done you could so you could just see what was filtered in 1996 versus 2012 versus 2015 35 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:39,680 or if you wanted to filter through the different types of alterations that we have gone through 36 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,480 and then we just gave the community some text here just to kind of say you know what's what's 37 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:56,400 this map about it's to help us designate properties do you want to walk me through how when you zoom 38 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,160 in all of these information yeah so a lot of this information including the table and the chart does 39 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:09,440 adjust automatically as you move in and out that way you're getting your data with your map you 40 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:15,920 don't have to to guess you know here you can see there's okay in this map the u18 structures have 41 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:30,960 been demolished since the 1996 survey whereas if you zoom out so you're up to 216 um now part part 42 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:38,240 of this wasn't just the uh i guess the the front of the map we also went into the actual data of 43 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:45,040 the map and kind of started from scratch so we went back to all three surveys took all the data 44 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:51,920 combined them all and then tried to get as accurate as we could to where that 45 00:05:51,920 --> 00:06:00,880 house was when that service the original server is taken in 1996 so we we ended up 46 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:10,480 partnering up with the Emily Fowler library they had a map from 1958 that took pictures of combined 47 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:16,000 it all together you know had the house footprints so we used that as a backdrop to really help 48 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,960 you know get our home locations as accurate as possible for those that have been demolished 49 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:28,960 so that's why we're as accurate as we can be at this point and 50 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:38,560 for the modifications that's that information is going to be updated bi-weekly we're going 51 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,280 to go through and look at permits and see if any permits have been pulled for any of these structures 52 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:50,320 and update this map as those are done so we look and just see we look at the permit and see what 53 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:55,280 was done to the house to see if it you know if it's interior modifications and it's 54 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,360 nothing with the exterior but we categorize it into our exterior modifications or 55 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:11,200 primary structure demo or secondary structure so any questions about the the user capabilities or 56 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:23,040 process we went through yes sir just on the map i don't know we don't usually allow public comment 57 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,040 during the work session it's a question just why that is that the border on the south side of them 58 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:38,560 like historic homes which the west of Sarco district well long teesley there's an old home 59 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,320 that used to be a farmhouse it's not recognized it means it was not surveyed for any of those surveys 60 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:56,640 at the time of the class it's registered i was just thinking it was a lot of good information 61 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:04,560 and better organized before it could be useful so i was thinking had you ever considered going out 62 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:11,200 to the black neighborhood associations getting on their calendar going out explaining to the 63 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:22,240 neighbors with a focus on their area so that's definitely something that we can do um we just 64 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:30,880 when did we just publish this last week yes so we're very empathy of it being just online but i 65 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,880 think if you think that would be a great idea we'd be more than happy to go to the different 66 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:41,440 neighborhood associations and kind of give them information regarding this map saying hey you know 67 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,720 you're for idiot cell you're an idiot cell look at how many eligible properties you have in that 68 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,640 area you know are you interested in designating and as jacob pointed out we've kind of listed 69 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,040 those property owner and community benefits right up front so people understand what are the benefits 70 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:06,800 of designating your property but also um sorry jacob here um one of the great things that jacob 71 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,840 did is that so obviously as you scroll in you'll see some of those structure alterations as you 72 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:20,160 scroll in but it also is showing us a year built and from what we've been able to determine a lot 73 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:27,760 of our homes were built throughout the 1920s and 30s for the most part and so if we start to see 74 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,800 more and more demolitions you know we're starting to see a lot of demolitions around UNT's campus 75 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:39,280 which that happens as the universities grow we see some of that around TWU's campus 76 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:47,280 um so i think it's really good not only for the data but it also helps tell a story so right now 77 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:56,000 we're also in the process of getting the film from the 1996 survey digitized so we can add it 78 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:05,520 to these um points because some of these points um as jacob was saying we kind of had to figure out 79 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,920 based off the photography where these homes were especially for the demolished because 80 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:17,040 our street layouts have changed in some areas um just the buildings in general have changed so we 81 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:24,880 were kind of having to do educational research guessing in a way that's getting as accurate as 82 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:32,480 possible as we could get um but we're hoping that this map not only helps with the designation 83 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:39,840 process but it helps to tell a story of Denton you know obviously the sole purpose not the sole 84 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:46,240 purpose but the main purpose is we want people to see how many historically eligible properties 85 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,960 have been demolished which 216 that's that's pretty significant especially since we've only 86 00:10:52,960 --> 00:11:01,600 designated about i believe 20 properties since 1996 so you've seen more demolitions by a long shot 87 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:08,560 than we've seen designations um and then with the addition of the photographs and some additional 88 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:14,080 data as you all start to go through it you know i think we're more than happy to take the feedback 89 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Jacob can let me know whether or not the software can handle it but we're hoping that this is just 90 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,920 a good start and you know not only people can use it for research but just get interested in what's 91 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:34,320 going on in the city especially with permits. I was thinking that that house that we recently 92 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:46,560 approved on Mariana I was thinking that that was a different thing than we had usually seen in terms 93 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:55,200 of historical properties you know enlarging but yet maintaining right what was there and if people 94 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:01,040 could understand that that was a possibility when somebody says well that structure is just not 95 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:08,400 suitable for me it's too small that there may be a way to incorporate that into a larger structure 96 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:18,880 that would serve you and would have the advantages of a historic designation but i think that people 97 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:26,800 just don't know right so that that's why it occurred to me that that it might make a good 98 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:33,040 program for a neighborhood association monthly or whatever however often they need 99 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Miami. And maybe add realtors to that. Yes, yes. 100 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:52,640 I have a couple questions. On the first map or the previous map that I saw there was a priority 101 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:59,280 designation is that still listed anywhere there was like a medium low and high priority for 102 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:07,280 preservation? So right now we don't have that showing on the public side we still we still 103 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:14,560 retain that information of course but just because all three surveys didn't record that data we 104 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:24,000 decided just to not show it publicly. Does this map show properties in Denton that are designated? 105 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Yes so it has them as this light blue color here. So we have a legend key right here we just noticed 106 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:38,720 that we need to get 314 period updates so yeah but yeah so everything is color proven so you'll see 107 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:46,080 historically designated primary yeah but if you think that needs to live somewhere else 108 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:52,080 this the software that Jacob uses is actually very like versatile and it's very helpful so we he can 109 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,640 pick and choose where everything lives on the screen we just kind of put it to the edge because 110 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,720 we didn't want that to be the main focus. No I think it's great I love that it's on the map my 111 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,760 maybe I'm just too far away and if I was on a computer I was getting lost for me with the 112 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:11,520 green I couldn't see the blue for all the green right but I think it's a again a powerful 113 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:18,000 storytelling tool to say this is all that's eligible these are the you know the fewer many 114 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:26,400 fewer that have actually been designated. And that that kind of was was the kind of goal for 115 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:33,120 with the the color of the dots you know you and then you've kind of got to look for those 116 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,280 historically eligible properties so it's kind of that's how it's portrayed in the map and 117 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:44,640 we wanted the the modifications and demolitions to really pop out of the that be the the focus of 118 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,960 of the map so you can see you know hey all this changes happen in these neighborhoods. 119 00:14:50,960 --> 00:15:03,680 Yeah so just for both of you number one great word this is fantastic I'm I'm digging it and 120 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:11,760 I can't wait to dig in into this but I'm I'm a communications professor so I'm like okay 121 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:18,320 communication plan how are we gonna use it what types of different uses because I can I can look 122 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,560 at this and kind of not be afraid to like jump in look at it but then I share Lenny's concern 123 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,560 about like outreach and awareness right like how does your average LA person how would they be able 124 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,840 because I I feel like I couldn't share this in like a like a Facebook community group and say hey 125 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:42,720 go check out this map and you know it might be a little much might be a little much however if I 126 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,600 shared a video walkthrough it was just like three to five minutes you see what I mean like that that 127 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:55,440 could be a difference maker and I'm just I'm just doing that out as ideas to explore when we think 128 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,160 about how we can best put this in front of the public to maybe work with our you know city 129 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,080 television production video production maybe make some of those things and then 130 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Cameron you mentioned that or who mentioned that like real estate agents I feel like if we could 131 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,680 get some real estate agents who may be specialized in properties in these historic districts to kind 132 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:25,360 of understand this as a way to also educate people that they're interacting with that might they they 133 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,200 might see this as a useful tool because then that opens that conversation about whoa whoa what do you 134 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,000 mean historic designation what do you mean that might mean money for renovation for you know 135 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,040 renovations and things like that right as well as you know Lenny suggested to take the recent 136 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:46,560 what I think is is a very interesting win to kind of open people's minds of course most people when 137 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,480 you're talking about historic designation you're like whoa whoa whoa you're going to make you change 138 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:59,040 all my stuff right I mean that's real like you know you're into that so um yeah just some ideas 139 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:05,120 about a communication plan you know we can help with that um that might be something to put in 140 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:12,720 future genus to explore and I think most people when he's talking about historic they immediately 141 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:20,160 think oh yeah right yeah and they don't realize that there are these designations around 142 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:29,120 and all the corners and properties like over by twu I think they mistake ancient history too you 143 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:38,640 know it's like no no whoa whoa but I think it's a fascinating uh yeah tool that you have and so 144 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:46,800 now I'm thinking um how do we get it out to the public get them aware of it because I find that 145 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:52,880 most times when people are reluctant to do something it's because they just don't know 146 00:17:52,880 --> 00:18:03,920 great work I want to celebrate the win yes yes it's a wonderful two yes yeah nice 147 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:14,880 if no one else has questions I do have a question so you you said um it went bad 148 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:22,400 how many years did you say that not the survey but structure wise you're looking at the are you 149 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,720 talking about the majority of the year built yes mostly 1920s and 30s and 30s that's what I thought 150 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,480 that's what I thought I was saying so is there anything yeah so that's great there you go I just 151 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:42,320 anything like where would we go beyond that like at what point would we say okay we have now 152 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:55,120 1962 which by the way is not that long ago just saying no that's recent history yes 153 00:18:55,120 --> 00:19:01,680 I just wonder past that but I think this is great and that's something you can look at for 154 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,520 future but I think that's a great tool to have over beyond when we want to you know put another 155 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:15,040 year on there too yeah I think that's fantastic yeah I think that something that we were talking 156 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,760 about with um I can't remember what month it is may I think it's always may that's historic 157 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:29,200 preservation month preservation that's it so that would be good and the mariana house that 158 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:35,280 you have on there um if we did a video it'd be good to have an interview with that one too just 159 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:43,760 yeah is that all great ideas yeah I have a question that could be more free camera so um 160 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:50,560 you were talking about like the in terms of knowing what's happened to the buildings interior exterior 161 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:57,040 sort of when permits are pulled that's when it gets flagged I I'm I'm thinking about right 162 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,520 realistically what are the steps that somebody's going to take to preserve their home right to 163 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,280 convince them go ahead and go spend ten thousand dollars or more to then qualify I wonder if there's 164 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:13,040 a way talking about communication strategy or appealing to a captive audience of people that 165 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,240 are already thinking about right they're already pulling permits they're buying homes and they're 166 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,960 already thinking about what what might I invest in this to make it um is there a thought or a 167 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,320 strategy about capturing people that are figuring out who it is that's already working to spend that 168 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:35,440 money and then having that conversation about preservation versus going at it the other way 169 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,360 um so I was gonna say I feel like in the past we've had conversations about maybe kind of having 170 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:48,400 like a town hall and saying if you're interested in designing your property um you know come to 171 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:55,680 this town hall learn more about that process what that looks like I think right now our tax incentives 172 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:02,000 this is something I'll talk about more at the matrix when we get to the matrix but um I think 173 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:09,120 our tax incentives need to be um kind of heightened or elevated especially for owner-occupied yes 174 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:17,200 for owner-occupied lands is all about it but for those owner-occupied homes um because those are 175 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:23,440 really the people that I'm having conversations with I think Lacey's had conversations when I 176 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,160 haven't been at the office so those are people that we're constantly hearing from are those 177 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:34,160 owner-occupied so I think we can tell them and share with them what we have now and kind of that 178 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,400 town hall setting but I think there are a lot of things that we need to do behind the scenes 179 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:45,760 to make our local benefits even better so I know that doesn't directly answer your questions but 180 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:53,760 I think there's still maybe a step or two before we yeah yeah yeah make sense and there was a time 181 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,720 to your point there was a time back when ten thousand dollars was unlocked that sounds like 182 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:05,600 a lot I'm going to tell you put a roof on you know wait insurance is now I need to you know 183 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:12,960 deductibles are huge and stuff it's like man it doesn't take long that's a great point unfortunately 184 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,640 but we can think of a range of incentives so I mean because they're that's that's the thing 185 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:26,160 it's like to get yes outside of I mean tax yes got it money yes but there are other 186 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:32,320 yeah great discussion great job it's a fine stuff it is 187 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,120 I didn't I didn't do that to make you sit down oh sorry all right it was a five-star average 188 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:59,840 yes okay moving along on item 3b number hlc 24-003 on our agenda is to receive a report and hold a 189 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,960 discussion and give staff direction on the historic landmark commission's request 190 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,800 for local historic designation of eligible historic properties 191 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:19,440 maybe on that same topic so this is where has anyone found any a property that you would like 192 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:35,440 to put on the list maybe next time so I think the map is helpful for that very reason because the 193 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,000 three properties that I had my eye on that I think to give you homes so I don't think we can but I 194 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:46,160 don't know for sure but that would map I can go directly to that map now and look to see instead 195 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:53,040 of having to do all of that research so I think that that's helpful if you have enough information 196 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,560 can I ask about related like any follow-up on the viewers farm 197 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:06,080 so they haven't turned in any applications or anything they are going to preserve the farmhouse 198 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,960 the cemetery portion of it I believe that the planner on the project did inform them and they 199 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:20,000 just plan on avoiding that area right now until they actually turn in applications but I believe 200 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,200 they are have been made aware by the planner she told me they were going to she was going to tell 201 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:30,000 them last week so and they are preserving the farmhouse correct yeah they're going to integrate 202 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:38,720 that into the overall feature yes we have that in writing sometimes this is via teams discussions 203 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:44,080 and I do have some emails of saying there's interest in turning into an amenity center 204 00:24:44,080 --> 00:25:03,520 you bet okay baby steps any other discussion on on item three b I'm sorry I think it's on I 205 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,840 think it's still on just item have have has staff heard back from any of the African American 206 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,920 churches I approached them during the Quaker Town celebration and they all received envelopes 207 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:20,240 yes gave them a little bit of information and yes so thank you for reminding me I've heard 208 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,240 from Pleasant Grove Baptist Church they are interested in getting designated primarily at 209 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,960 the state level because they are eligible for a tax exemptions at the state level so they have 210 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,680 reached out to me one of their members of their congregation actually works for the city 211 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:46,000 so we had a meeting and conversation and she said that they they were going to vote to kind of 212 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:52,160 inquire more and she said that they had that discussion last week and so I'm hopefully going 213 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,280 to meet with her this week or next week to kind of move through that process yeah all right thank 214 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:05,360 you for doing that too sometimes you got to be a vet and see you know I remember it was called that 215 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:18,080 day okay next item on the agenda is 3c number hlc 24-004 on our agenda is to hold a discussion 216 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:26,480 regarding the historic landmark commissions project matrix so um I know two of the requests 217 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,200 that quantify the economic impact of preserving historic properties and then the discussion 218 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,520 regarding benefits for preserving historic properties and how other cities are incentivizing 219 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:43,760 owners that was supposed to be for this month we are still in the process of working on that data 220 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,880 but I think the March 18th will be pretty interesting conversation so hopefully everyone 221 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:57,040 can be in attendance for that but Jacob and his team are working on all the data information and 222 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:04,320 cleaning and diving into that so we'll talk about kind of the economic impact and incentivizing 223 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:11,600 property owners and everything in March and then the presentation for preliminary guidelines I've 224 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,720 just put that on hold just because we no longer have that subcommittee in place and then the 225 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,760 walking tour and our focus group for historic property owners we will schedule that sometime 226 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,840 in the spring so Lacey will reach out to you all via email with a few dates and go from there 227 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,840 we're thinking primarily just because we're still dealing with you know the light or the sun going 228 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,960 down a little bit earlier so we might need to do it towards the end of a work day I know that can 229 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,240 be very difficult for people and their schedules so that's why we're going to throw out a few dates 230 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,120 I don't know if anyone is available on Saturdays and Sundays also I know it's everyone's weekend 231 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:59,600 maybe not exactly what you want to do because this is volunteer based but just trying to work in where 232 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,920 we can maybe have those two meetings but we'll be in touch with you all in the next week 233 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:14,880 and then this was the item from January that Commissioner McAdams have to place on 234 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:21,120 for HLC's consideration so you all can take a vote on that tonight if you want to and then 235 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:31,520 obviously our annual updates with our 2024 work goals well I think that what Commissioner McAdams 236 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:39,120 had on here for the quarterly HLC meetings to educate property owners that goes along with the 237 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:48,960 map that you discussed for sure absolutely I would like us adding to that not just quarterly but to 238 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:57,360 expand because of the great things that have happened with Marietta Street possibly doing if 239 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:05,520 and I don't I think that homeowner would do a video for us he seems very willing and I would 240 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:15,040 like to see if that would could possibly do that on what his experience was I do what a testimonial 241 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:21,280 absolutely yes absolutely and if we could start with that and like when you say pictures 242 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:28,080 if he would allow to go in for updates on his project and what's what's going on with it I 243 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:35,280 consider that a win I think realtors would love that as well but just what all he went through 244 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,720 his experience yeah because I think that is yeah provide training to local realtors and makers is 245 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:52,160 one of y'all's 2024 goals so so if you if I guess we need to decide what we kind of want the wording 246 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,840 to be or I guess the general idea for those quarterly HLC meetings so that we can vote on 247 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,320 it and then I can add it to the matrix as a request that we kind of have living on there 248 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,960 so we do need to get a vote okay all right do I have a motion for us to keep this to put this on 249 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:17,200 the matrix I'll make that motion to put this on the matrix and this would be as a quarterly target 250 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,160 correct well we can word it that's what we're saying your motion you can help word that okay 251 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:30,400 quarterly HLC meetings to discuss and educate the story so okay yeah I'll make a motion for us to 252 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:37,440 create an agenda or a template with such a project okay 253 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:50,640 any discussion agenda slash in next month or by by March or April as as staff's schedules 254 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:58,640 or second second all right all in favor are you ready to say yes 255 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,960 are there any others that we've talked about wanting to add to this anything with it matrix 256 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,160 tag on to it 257 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:22,480 related to this can we request staff can can we like get a meeting with the 258 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,960 videographers or maybe they come and we ask about their schedule and availability to maybe 259 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:35,520 record some little things for us oh with denton television yeah I would say I can speak with 260 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:44,480 the director of denton television and see I did have a briefing with him back in January after 261 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:54,560 our January meeting and we can't do an introductory video just because no other 262 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,640 boards or commissions have really done something like that and once we do it for 263 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:06,080 HLC we'd have to do it for everyone right also it would change it would also require if you know 264 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,080 boards and commissions if someone resigns someone is removed the next day they're going to constantly 265 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:19,680 having to re-update that so um but there is interest and that they do want to assist us in 266 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,560 getting the positive news out there about the historic landmark commission um they just said we 267 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,920 might need to do some moly over and think about how we kind of display that so we can definitely 268 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,360 have that kind of larger conversation with them and just see what are some of their ideas of getting 269 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:42,880 the good news out there let's focus on what we can do so could we do that video so if we had a 270 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:52,320 testimonial could it go on the dentin website for testimonials under the HLC tab something like that 271 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,920 yeah that if that's doable I would say I can definitely ask I know that would be partially 272 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,920 city secretary's office um and they did when I spoke to them they did say that we can add 273 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:11,040 additional information under like our historic landmark commission board tab but I don't know if 274 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,080 that includes videos but I can ask them about that as well yeah because maybe we might be 275 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:25,840 or maybe the property owner could find a filmmaker who wants to do a little documentary 276 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:34,160 like the um wants to open a film festival in line there you go welcome festival and also we 277 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,880 have of course media production at UNT that they're always curious about possible student 278 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:50,800 projects so yeah we might also ask about an internship or something at some point 279 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,360 but that would be a great conversation to have with them if that becomes a project that would 280 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:05,360 help them attract and train interns and absolutely I have one other question on this matrix well we 281 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:14,080 talked about the walking tour yes I think it's great I'm just thinking with the walking tour limit 282 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:22,640 like not everything is within walking distance that's just what my mind went correct so um we 283 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,680 would have to split it into two different days okay and um that's kind of why Lacey's going to 284 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:36,400 send out a couple different dates just to see um you know I know not every date will work for 285 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:43,440 everyone um we'd also have to put a notice of possible forum out for these kind of tours 286 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:51,760 but it we do not expect everyone to walk every single historic district in one day 287 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,440 and put on your walking shoes that well but we're also trying to get it completed before the summer 288 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,520 because it's gonna be way too hot yeah and I don't expect anyone is I'm not I'm not gonna do it 289 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,200 I know you guys don't want to do it it's too warm here um to do that during the summer so um 290 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,520 I can kind of mull it over a little bit more and work with Lacey and we'll kind of figure out 291 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,800 what makes most sense and maybe do some mapping and but um we'll send those dates within the next 292 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:28,400 week but it definitely won't be um all at once okay and just to clarify that is for this committee 293 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:35,680 to go and explore historic yeah yes yes explore those properties that you all have jurisdiction 294 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:42,960 over and see kind of where we are in terms of maintenance how it's looking um just to kind of 295 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:50,640 piggyback off just real quick as a so long just sorry but just to in terms of like historic 296 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:57,600 districts um you know I'm getting complaints or calls about like the streets themselves so a lot 297 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,720 of people are saying hey our our streets are part of our historic districts but they're not being 298 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,640 maintained or they're over you know saturated with too many cars on the streets but you're asking us 299 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,520 to maintain our properties which are connected straight to the streets so you know we're getting 300 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,160 arguments like that from historic property owners so I think it'll just be very interesting to walk 301 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,240 around especially during the school day work day especially around the different campuses which 302 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,040 are closer to the universities to kind of get a feel for what our historic districts are dealing 303 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:36,480 with on a daily basis but also just to see what properties you all are working with we had a 304 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:43,920 council member not very long ago our members say but we have to remind the people who live in 305 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,560 historic districts they don't own the streets 306 00:36:48,560 --> 00:37:01,600 just like the rest of us don't you don't own the street because I know they're they're discussing 307 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,520 what they're going to do about parking on some of those on oak street in particular 308 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,800 so you know we might want to invite council members to come join us on the block 309 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:26,560 hey I think that's a great idea why not or at least the district you know the different district 310 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:33,440 council members that were walking I think that's a great idea yeah they are 311 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,720 but I think it's valid points we need to take under consideration so yeah keep an eye out 312 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:51,520 this training for this matrix is it anywhere down in like the annual goals I'm just curious if you 313 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,840 you had mentioned previously training opportunities yes so a lot of training opportunities are 314 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:05,360 actually online now so I'm going to be sending those out as they're sent to me but I do not 315 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:11,520 have any requests for a training session but I'm more than happy to do kind of a preliminary dive 316 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,000 and do a overall um especially for our new commissioner student kind of overhaul of 317 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,040 everything that HLC has jurisdiction over but also just the different levels of destinations 318 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:36,560 and all that so I'm happy to do that if we want to add it to the majors um I mean are we am I 319 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:43,200 correct in that we are required to do training annually yes one commissioner from uh is required 320 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,880 to do training each year as part of the certified local government a minimum of one yes 321 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,120 and that is something that we have um struggled with in the past and that we have received lower 322 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:09,680 scoring on um to complete the training it's just regular educational training continuing education 323 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,960 so um I believe for my first two years I did usually a topic um training topic each 324 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,600 agenda in 2021 and 2022 but then we didn't have any new commissioners 325 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:31,040 so we kind of had gotten through our training um and then from there it was just the requirement 326 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,120 of the one commissioner at minimum doing annual but I'm more than happy to kind of bring some of 327 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:46,240 those um past presentations back just to give you all get you up to speed and we did some training 328 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:54,160 on our own so we know what what I mean is that wasn't like part of the this is what you have to 329 00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:01,680 do we did training on solar panels yes yes we did so we probably didn't get credit for that 330 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:10,160 some things like that right I mean we did so yeah so we could do that too if you were looking 331 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:18,720 you wanted something specific which we found very enlightening I don't know that I have any specific 332 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:27,280 things in mind but they're half of us are pretty thinking new to this right so 333 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,520 maybe it would be helpful to do some training to get some knowledge about what we 334 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,720 you're gonna make that request oh we don't think the rest of us all like up on these things 335 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:49,520 we're not we're just being longer okay so I make a request how do I do that how do I say that 336 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:58,880 properly you would like to request additional training moving forward topics I was gonna say 337 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,720 topics to be determined topics to be determined yeah like I can bring I can basically bring like 338 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,360 some type of training each session topics of general interest to relevance of service on the 339 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:34,080 computer okay so we need that in a motion for us we need that in a motion and then we need to put 340 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:42,640 training on the calendar for general topics to be determined thanks for is relevant to 341 00:41:42,640 --> 00:42:05,120 these interests in the commission I'll second that one anyone else have anything any other business 342 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:27,040 to discuss if there's no other business we're adjourned at 6 12 p.m so before you guys leave 343 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:38,960 I got the commission of present oh shoot it just went 314 I didn't want to put the whole 344 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,640 address on there because I thought maybe they would be a little freaked out on the cake but 345 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:53,520 that just looks like a very early pie day yeah it has actually dang it that's also me