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 Good afternoon, and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting

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 for Wednesday, January 24th, 2024.

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 This is our work session, and with the quorum present, I will call us to order at 510 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioners Cole and Thagard are absent at this time.

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 First item on our agenda is clarification for tonight's regular meeting.

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 First we have the minutes from January 10th, any questions, problems, okay.

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 That will take us to consent agenda, any questions, issues there, okay.

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 Items for individual consideration, we did have some emails come in, I don't know if

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 everyone saw that, so I'll go ahead and call up Mia, oh, Haley's going to be here for Mia,

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 number 4A, FP23-0036, hi Haley.

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 Good evening, yes, so this item, you did receive an extension request emailed this morning,

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 if granted that extension could be to February 14th, there are just a few remaining items

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 to be worked out on the plan, most of them are fairly simple in nature relating to just

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 labeling of things and depicting easements correctly, so we are hopeful that they could

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 get this to an approval state by the next meeting if the extension were granted, and

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 this would be a second extension, great, any questions, thanks Haley, you're going to stay

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 up here for 4B, absolutely, okay, FP23-0033, yes, and you also received an update on this

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 plat, this is the Hickory Grove project formerly known as Legends Ranch, if that rings any

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 bells for anyone, this has been changed to a recommendation of approval, as they were

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 able to work through the outstanding items since the packet posted last week, and that

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 final plat was submitted in email this afternoon, yes, okay, thank you Haley, last item for

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 items of individual consideration is 4C, FP24-0002, hi Erin, good evening, bless you, Erin Stanley

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 Assistant Planner, this is FP24-0002, this is a final plat for the Denton Shady Shores

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 Edition located east of South I-35E, yeah, a lot of directions there, they have a few

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 items to work through, it's mostly checklist items as well, and adding some easements that

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 are required, they have requested an extension request which could be granted to a date certain

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 of February 14th, thank you, any questions for Erin, okay, thank you very much, we've

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 got one public hearing this evening, that's 5A HL23-0002, hi Cameron, good evening Commissioners,

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 Cameron Robertson, Historic Preservation Officer, this is for a historic landmark designation

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 of 314 Marietta Street, so I'm sure some of you all have seen some designations in the

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 past, but a lot of y'all are new to this process, so I'm going to take you through a little

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 bit of background of what a historic landmark is, and what are some of the benefits, and

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 then give you a quick summary.

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 So what is a historic landmark, it is a building, district, object or site or structure that

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 is officially recognized by the City of Denton, the state or the United States, and it's for

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 outstanding architectural, archaeological, cultural, social, economic, ethic or political

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 historical significance, currently the City of Denton does have 64 local historic landmark

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 designations, and it is a zoning action, so that is why it's in front of PNZ this evening,

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 it first goes to the Historic Landmark Commission who then recommends approval which comes to

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 the Planning and Zoning Commission and then on the City Council.

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 So what are the benefits of a historic landmark, obviously I think there's lots of benefits

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 of a historic landmark, but there are property owner benefits, it does, there are studies

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 showing that historically designated properties do appreciate a greater rate, properties are

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 eligible for local historic tax exemption, in this case for the City of Denton that is

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 a 50% assessed property value for up to 10 years and then they can reapply.

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 They also protect the investment of owners and residents from incompatible development,

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 you get the historic landmark plaque, so that is some visible recognition there, but also

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 some of the community benefits are it does protect from swift demolition, it would have

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 to go in front of the Historic Landmark Commission, it does help with neighborhood revitalization

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 and it does discourage sprawl among some other benefits.

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 So the summary is that it is a request for historic landmark designation at 314 Marietta,

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 it is zoned OR3, so and that's due to the fact that it's in the West Oak Area Historic

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 District, which is highlighted there by the yellow border, it is compliant with our goals

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 in our Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan, so our Community Character Goal 2, as well as

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 our 2019 Historic Preservation Plan, our goal number 1, policy 1.3, so staff is recommending

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 approval as it complies with our criteria for historic landmark designation 2.9.4B in

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 the Denton Development Code, as well as those two plans.

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 Commissioner Smith?

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 Oh I couldn't find the backup, Cameron, was how many other HLCs, or Historic Landmark

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 designation, sorry, are in that area right there, on the West Oak Historic District?

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 So the, I believe it is around approximately 60 properties, I can look that up so I can

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 present that later during the public hearing session, but I think it is around 60 properties.

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 I can confirm that.

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 And you're going to go through in the full presentation the reasoning and the processing?

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 So the HLC is undergoing renovation, right, or is going to go under renovation?

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 So their building permit is presently on hold.

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 No building permits can be approved and given to the applicants at this time due to the

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 fact that they want to go through the designation process.

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 That COA, because it is in the West Oak Area Historic District, that certificate of appropriateness

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 was approved back in November by the Historic Landmark Commission due to the fact that they

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 felt that it met the West Oak Area design standards as well as the Secretary of Interior

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 Until the designation process is complete.

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 So this is in addition to.

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 So it is already in the Historic District.

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 It is a contributing property to our local Historic District, but they're just looking

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 The reason I had the follow-up question was going through the process was just if there

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 I just know in the area, but how does this one compare to the one or two that we've already

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 So, you know, as Cameron pointed out, because they've chosen, the applicant has chosen to

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 review, had done the building addition and finished that process, and then come back

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 after the fact and requested the designation.

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 this designation request, because we had that conversation with them, but they were wanting

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 That, you know, that they would be in the middle of, or certainly wanting to, you know,

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 that we reviewed in November, they had come to me back in July wanting to demo the property.

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 Receive a report.

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 Hold a discussion regarding demographic and housing data, as well as City of Denton's

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 affordable housing needs assessment.

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 I serve as the housing program's coordinator on the community services team.

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 A while ago, there was a request for some demographic data and housing stock data from

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 And around the same time, an affordable housing bond was passed by the Denton voters.

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 work session, going over that demographic and housing stock data, as well as the affordable

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 that demographic information and housing stock data, which ties really nicely into our affordable

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 Those go hand-in-hand.

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 Getting straight into that timeline, in January of 2021, the affordable housing needs assessment

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 and market value analysis was initially completed.

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 city Dentonites only of vacant or underutilized properties, assessed for their viability as

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 Jumping into that demographic information, the city of Denton is a majority white city

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 This is higher than the state average.

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 Only 11% of Denton residents identify as black or African American, while smaller percentages,

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 And then a rough 20-ish percent identify as two or more of those races or some other race

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 Additionally, oh, yes.

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 Sorry, do we have a breakdown of what percentage of the white population is Latino?

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 That's the information I believe I could get from the census as well.

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 However, it does also say Hispanic, any race is about 25%, so a quarter of Denton residents.

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 Yeah, of any race, a quarter of residents are Hispanic or Latino.

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 Thanks.

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 Commissioner Villarreal, next time, raise your hand, please.

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 And then also, you'll need to turn your mic on when you want to talk to him.

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 So that's all right.

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 I'm just reminding you.

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 No, that's my fault.

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 I just...

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 That's my fault.

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 I just really love questions.

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 the ages of 20 and 29 in comparison to 14% of Texas residents overall being between those

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 age ranges of 20 to 29.

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 overall being the top, 20 to 29-year-olds are in dark blue.

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 Directly tied to this and pretty majorly affecting our housing stock are household type.

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 In Denton, 41% of households are what the census considers non-family households, which

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 needs.

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 Do I have questions about this or the race demographics before?

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 What is other family?

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 I looked this up and now it's left my brain.

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 the household who is related by blood or adoption, or two adults who are not related by marriage

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 but are co-parenting a child or things like that.

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 Also like two siblings or a parent and child living together, adult child.

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 So other situations like that.

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 Does that answer that appropriately?

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 Anybody else?

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 So this can look a little bit confusing at first, so if you'll allow me to walk through

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 it.

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 56% of housing units in Denton are single-family homes.

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 So essentially if we rounded up 100 Denton residents and said, "Hey, how many units,

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 how many homes are in the building that you live in," 56 would say, "I live in a single-family

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 home."

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 It's only us.

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 Smaller percentages, about 10% of our units are in duplexes or triplexes or quadplexes.

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 Additionally, about 9% are in buildings with five or nine units.

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 Approximately 8% are in buildings with 10 or 19 units.

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 Approximately 7% are in buildings with 20 to 49 units.

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 4% of units are mobile homes in Denton.

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 You can see that in comparison, Denton is in the light green in comparison to the lighter

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 blue of Dallas and the darker blue of Texas.

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 So as you might expect, Texas has a much larger proportion of single-family homes, whereas

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 Dallas has a much smaller proportion of single-family homes than Denton.

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 If you look over here to 50 or more units, you'll see Denton and Texas overall actually

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 have about the same proportion of units, 50 or more.

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 I believe you pointed this out when we went over it, Tina, in comparison to Dallas, which

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 has a much larger proportion of buildings with 50 or more units in it.

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 Does this make sense to everybody?

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 Do I have questions?

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 Commission for it?

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 And so this is existing housing units within the city right now, right?

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 Correct.

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 Existing housing units.

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 And if I recall, I'm sorry if I'm asking someone who wasn't close to the data, but if I recall

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 from our mid-year update, it was something around a 50/50 split between single-family

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 homes constructed in the previous calendar year versus multifamily and I think all but

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 one of those projects with 50 plus units, something like that.

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 That's my recollection, anyway.

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 If somebody wants to correct me, that's fine.

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 But I'm just trying to get a concept of what we have historically versus what we're building.

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 Unfortunately, I was not with the city at that time, but I would love to dig into that

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 data and get back to you with it.

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 Yeah.

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 A few other data points about our housing stock in Denton.

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 A very, very slight majority, about 51% of our units in Denton are renter occupied.

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 So the household living there is renting.

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 They do not own the place, but it's a pretty slim majority.

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 Additionally, in Denton, 3% of housing units are studios or efficiencies with no bedroom.

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 15% are one bedrooms, and the vast majority at 60% are two or three bedrooms.

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 That's the majority of our housing stock.

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 An additional 22% of our units have four or more bedrooms.

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 And then kind of lastly on this slide, just talking about the age, kind of to your point, of housing units in Denton.

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 A pretty slim 9% were built before 1960, 55% were built between the years of 1960 and 1999, so that's the bulk of our housing stock.

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 If you actually look a little bit closely, between the years of 2000 and 2019, 37% of our housing stock was built.

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 Which by itself is a pretty large chunk, but also, you might note,

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 is larger than any other 20 year period indicated on this chart.

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 Kind of just speaking to that exponential growth we've had in the 20 years prior to 2020.

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 Any questions here?

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 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 If you're going to get through this in a minute, then just say wait.

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 But the renter occupied versus owner occupied, that's occupation of the unit, not number of people, right?

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 >> Correct. >> Do we have data on number of residents?

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 >> Individuals broken down by renter.

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 I do not have that at this time.

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 My understanding is that that's not how the census asks that question.

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 In the American Community Survey, that's where the stat is being pulled from.

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 But I can certainly, again, go back and double check and look for that.

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 >> Okay, thanks.

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 >> So touching on transportation.

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 The average commute for a Denton resident who does not work from home is 26 minutes.

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 50%, so half of Denton residents do work in Denton, which I think is pretty cool.

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 13% of those are working from home.

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 And then if you'll allow me to touch on vehicles before I get into transportation costs,

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 4% of Denton households have no vehicle available to them.

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 35% of Denton households have one vehicle, 41% have two vehicles available to them.

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 Again, this is household, not individual.

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 And then lastly, 20% of households have three or more vehicles available to them.

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 But again, that can be one of those non-family households, three roommates,

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 possibly in college, living together each with their own vehicle.

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 Lastly here, the Center for Neighborhood Technology has what they call the Housing and Transportation Cost Index.

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 It's essentially their way of saying, if housing is supposed to take up no more than 30% of a household's budget,

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 then housing and transportation combined should take up no more than 45% of a household's expenses.

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 This is kind of their way of measuring the difference between urban household costs versus suburban or rural household costs.

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 In Denton, 42% of residents do spend more than 45% of their income on housing.

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 You can see that in comparison to Denton County overall and Dallas itself.

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 Do I have any questions about this?

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 Yeah, 45% of Denton residents, sorry.

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 I mixed my percentages up, 42% of Denton residents spend more than 45% of their income on housing.

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 I have to do a lot of math, and I'm so sorry.

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 >> It's housing and transportation, right?

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 >> Yes, on housing and transportation combined.

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 >> Thank you, and sorry, Chair, I did not.

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 >> You're good.

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 >> All right, and if you're interested in more information about that,

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 the Center for Neighborhood Technology has a really great data explorer on their website.

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 So rent, it's gone up a bit.

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 As you may be able to see here, between the years of 2015 to about 2020, rent was pretty steady.

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 It was increasing, but slightly and slowly.

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 And then something happened between the years of 2021 and 23, so January 21 to January of 23, rent rose about $300 on average.

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 You may see on here, it stayed off a little bit after that, which is the trend we're kind of expected to see moving forward.

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 And it's not necessarily continuing to increase at that steep incline, but also not returning to pre-pandemic levels.

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 >> These numbers are average, is that what you're taking some kind of median?

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 >> Yes, not broken down by size of unit, just average overall.

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 There's a similar story with home sales price.

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 This data does go back a bit further.

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 Between the years of 2000 to, you know, 2010, 2015, home sales prices were fairly average, were holding fairly steady.

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 And then they start to go up a little bit in 2015 to 2020, debt is growing.

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 And so home prices go up a little bit, and then something happened.

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 And between the years of January 2020, from January to 2023, home prices on average rose about $100,000.

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 You can see again, those kind of studying off towards the end there, not returning to pre-pandemic levels, but not continuing to increase at the same rate.

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 Do I have any questions on these last two slides?

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 Okay.

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 All right, so here's where it gets a little complicated.

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 So, Danny and I are asked pretty frequently, what is affordable housing?

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 What does that even mean?

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 And I will answer that question, I promise you.

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 That a architect who's working on affordable housing development in Denton right now recently rephrased that question as for

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 whom is housing affordable, which I think is a pretty good lens of looking at this.

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 Housing is considered affordable if a household is spending no more than 30% of their income on their housing.

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 So from a development perspective, if I want to build affordable housing, I'm building housing that is

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 affordable at that metric, 30% of your income or less, for a household that's living at 80% area median income or lower.

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 Area median income is how the US Department of Housing and Urban Development measures income and also qualifies for their housing programs.

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 Subsequently, that's also how the city of Denton measures income and qualifies for our federally funded housing programs.

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 So this is an important metric for us.

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 It is measured at the regional level, so Denton falls into the greater DFW region, which affects these numbers.

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 And that median is considered $105,600.

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 HUD sets that as for a family of four, and then breaks it down further by household size.

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 So a household at 100% of the area median income for

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 a family of four is $105,600 collectively each year.

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 Is everyone tracking so far?

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 Okay, so if I am a four person household and

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 we're living at the 80% area median income mark, we're making $82,500 together collectively each year and so on.

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 At that extremely low income, 30% of the median income mark, we're making $30,000 and $950 each year.

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 Now that extremely low income category is where we see the most vulnerability when we talk about housing.

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 At that level, it gets extremely difficult to afford housing.

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 For example, for that family of four, if we're making $30,950 each annually,

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 that comes down to about $2,600 each month.

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 So 30% of that means that we have $775 to spend on housing.

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 I don't know if any of us are renters in this room, but you would have an incredibly difficult time

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 finding a studio for that price, much less housing for a family of four.

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 In Denton, this breaks down a little bit differently.

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 48% of Denton residents actually do live below that 80% area median income mark.

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 So a different way to say that is about half of Denton residents could potentially qualify for affordable housing.

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 We estimate there's approximately 57,000, I shouldn't say we.

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 The census estimates, much more reputable source, estimates about 57,000 households in Denton.

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 So about 27,000 are living below that 80% area median income mark struggling with housing.

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 Of those, 18% are at the low income level, so they're between 50 and 80%, AMI.

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 Between those two, the mic doesn't follow me.

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 Between those two lines, and then 14% are very low income,

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 living between those two, the light blue and the green lines, in terms of their household income.

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 And then 16%, about 9,000 households are extremely low income and

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 living with incomes below this chart, lower than the chart.

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 Do I have any questions?

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 There's a lot here, it's so much.

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 >> Commissioner Perrett.

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 >> There's a lot, you've done an extremely good job laying this out.

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 I have a related question that will help me interpret all the data.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> I've always been confused about how and

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 with what confidence the census and

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 ACS data incorporates all of this stuff from nine months student residents in the city of Denton.

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 >> How should I think of that?

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 >> Danny's coming up, because she's got more knowledge.

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 Danny Shaw, Director of Community Services.

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 So the census data on this calculation is actually two and a half years behind.

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 So it's actually not even current to what you're looking at, so

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 it does calculate older data to get to that average.

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 >> Sorry, maybe I asked it confusingly.

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 It's not so much how old is the data.

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 It's when they collect the data, do they intentionally try to capture

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 students who are here on April 1st of the census year, or ACS date?

476
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,600
 >> Well, yeah, the ACS date, yes.

477
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,600
 They'd be calculating that database on people who are responding in their surveys

478
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,600
 based on whomever responds at the time at that date.

479
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,800
 >> So under normal circumstances, we would expect the student population to be sampled for ACS reasons.

480
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,840
 >> Yes. >> But at the 2020 census,

481
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,800
 do you think we had a lower student population than normal?

482
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,440
 >> We did have lower responses here, yes.

483
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,800
 >> So we would assume at 2020 data to have a little dip just from sampling, perhaps.

484
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,240
 >> I think you could make that statement, yeah.

485
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:03,800
 >> All right, thank you.

486
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,360
 >> Anybody else?

487
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,880
 Okay, thank you all so much.

488
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,320
 So to put a little bit more context to all that math, we gave you more math.

489
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,040
 We actually, the community services team collaborated with the economic development

490
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,800
 team to put this chart together.

491
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:31,600
 This is showing some common occupations in Denton with 30% of their monthly income when set at the 25th percentile.

492
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,960
 So for example, 30% of the typical child care

493
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,880
 worker's income is going to be $568 and so forth.

494
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,760
 In comparison, we have the median costs of a studio in the light green, one bedroom in the purple,

495
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,920
 and a two bedroom in the teal in Denton for comparison.

496
00:31:52,920 --> 00:32:00,360
 So as you can see here, there's a lot of occupations that in general are really struggling to afford even a studio,

497
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,880
 including our hairdressers, pharmacy technicians, restaurant cooks, and

498
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,240
 child care workers who are non-profits are telling us are really essential and in deep need right now.

499
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,000
 Furthermore, if you want to afford a one bedroom, there's a few more occupations that struggle to afford that,

500
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,520
 such as librarians, electricians, and clergy, even though they studied for quite some time to do what they do.

501
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,280
 And even our middle school teachers are struggling to be able to afford a two bedroom apartment.

502
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,520
 Do I have any questions here?

503
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360
 Okay, thanks.

504
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,640
 Breaking that math down a little bit further, just to go step by step.

505
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,560
 If I want to rent a studio in Denton, the median cost for that is about $950.

506
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,120
 So in order to afford that, on an annual basis, I have to make about $38,000.

507
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,840
 Translated into wage, that is about $18 an hour.

508
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,640
 So on average, you have to be making $18 an hour to afford a studio in Denton.

509
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,040
 Here I've got that AMI chart from earlier broken down.

510
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,440
 So you can see in the lighter colors are households that can afford that studio.

511
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,600
 It's the majority, which is good.

512
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,720
 But for those extremely low income households, and also some very low income households,

513
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,120
 it can be difficult to afford even a studio.

514
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,800
 Some occupations that are typically represented in that population are going to be our cashiers,

515
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,360
 those child care workers, cleaners, substitute teachers, and school bus drivers.

516
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160
 Do I have any questions here?

517
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,000
 Okay.

518
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,320
 So for households that may need a two bedroom, possibly they have children in the household,

519
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,640
 that situation increases a bit.

520
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,440
 So the median cost for a two bedroom is going to be about $1,500.

521
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,960
 On average, in order to afford that, a household would need to collectively make $61,000 annually.

522
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,200
 As you can see, a lot more households really struggle with that.

523
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,720
 So commonly represented in here are firefighters, electricians, plumbers, social workers,

524
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:17,760
 vocational nurses, teachers, and welders are struggling to make rent for a two bedroom in Denton.

525
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,280
 Do I have questions here?

526
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,760
 Commissioner Pruitt.

527
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,320
 >> Thank you, Chair.

528
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,320
 Sorry, just another interpretation question.

529
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:37,200
 It strikes me that I may have been misinterpreting all of these charts of household sizes and AMIs in the past,

530
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200
 not just this presentation, but years past.

531
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,240
 >> That's okay.

532
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:48,080
 >> Because I noticed that, for instance, the 60% AMI for four person families is higher than the five person families.

533
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:55,200
 That makes me think that this is all sampled data, as opposed to the --

534
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:07,040
 >> I had assumed before -- sorry for my rambling, that the scaling from single person to multi persons was a scaling of cost of living.

535
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,440
 And this doesn't appear to be like that.

536
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,400
 Can you explain why it's not like that?

537
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,240
 >> I'm going to let Danny take that one.

538
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,880
 >> Sorry, I just -- I want to learn.

539
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,880
 >> No, no, no, the little dip bothers me as well.

540
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,760
 >> It is based on a formula calculation that incorporates poverty factors.

541
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,440
 So at the four person household, it does have a variation in the calculation that HUD does.

542
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,800
 The actual formula calculation is available on the HUD side if you're interested in learning the background.

543
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
 But I can't answer if it's a sampling or not.

544
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,640
 So I'm curious about that as well.

545
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,520
 So I appreciate that question.

546
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:49,600
 But it does -- the formula does change at the different income levels because of those poverty calculations and how they're calculated in different programs.

547
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,800
 >> I will go have some fun with math.

548
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,800
 >> Yes.

549
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,000
 >> You can check it.

550
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,120
 Yes, please do.

551
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,160
 Any further questions here?

552
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,280
 Okay.

553
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,440
 Commissioner Smith.

554
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,560
 >> Thank you, Chair.

555
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:09,880
 So let me just make sure I understand the data you've given me so far and not making a conjecture and more of just surmising.

556
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:24,920
 What I've seen so far is that we have -- you said the number was -- we have the highest number of single adult, non-family, 41% are non-family, single adults are unrelated, something like that, right?

557
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,680
 >> Correct, yes.

558
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:36,880
 >> And that the further down the household size you go and the definition of affordability that we're using, the faster housing becomes unaffordable.

559
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,920
 Is that correct?

560
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,920
 >> Correct, yeah.

561
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:49,320
 The -- you can -- the way to say it that I would say it is it's just increasingly difficult to afford housing alone is the best way I could fix it, yes.

562
00:36:49,320 --> 00:37:02,560
 >> And not all 41%, but from the measure we can have, there's 41% of population that is, if you want to say it correctly, at higher risk of being -- of being in that more susceptible population.

563
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,560
 >> I would agree with that, yes.

564
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,480
 >> Got it, understood.

565
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480
 >> Okay.

566
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,480
 So what is the result of -- wait, was there an additional question?

567
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,480
 >> Commissioner Haggard.

568
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
 >> I apologize.

569
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480
 >> Thank you, Chair.

570
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,480
 Take the opportunity also to apologize for my tardiness.

571
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
 Quick question, you may have already reviewed this.

572
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,480
 Again, I'm also trying to understand the math.

573
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:33,480
 When you're looking at combined household income, I guess, what are the opportunities where you may have like four electricians living together or where you may have three teachers living together?

574
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:43,480
 >> I'm trying to understand because if the numbers you suggest is that we have a lot of people that are walking around and they don't have anywhere to live when obviously --

575
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,480
 >> Right.

576
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:53,480
 And a little bit we will go over that together, but it is actually pretty related to what we were saying before and that, yes, people live together.

577
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,480
 I have two roommates, all of whom are -- all of us are working.

578
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,480
 And so that -- we're a household of three and we're represented on here, right?

579
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,480
 So I hope that answers that.

580
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480
 >> Okay, perfect.

581
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,480
 Any other questions?

582
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480
 Okay.

583
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
 >> Thank you.

584
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480
 >> So the result of this is cost burden.

585
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:23,480
 If we've been saying that 30% of a household's income is the budget for housing, when a household is spending more than 30% of their income on housing, they are considered cost burdened.

586
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:34,480
 In Denton, of the 48% who are living below that 80% area median income mark, 69% are cost burdened in some fashion.

587
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:46,480
 In fact, the largest portion are severely cost burdened at 38%, which means that they're spending more than half of their income towards housing.

588
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480
 Do you have any questions on this before I move forward?

589
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,480
 >> Could I just have you clarify because you keep saying towards housing, also transportation?

590
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,480
 >> This is just housing specifically.

591
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,480
 >> This is just housing?

592
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:55,480
 >> Yes.

593
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,480
 >> Okay.

594
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,480
 >> Yeah, just on the one transportation slide where we're discussing housing and transportation together.

595
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,480
 >> Understood.

596
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,480
 Okay, thank you.

597
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,480
 >> No, no, thank you.

598
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
 All right.

599
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480
 But, of course, that cost burden is not dispersed equally.

600
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,480
 We talked about our more vulnerable households that are extremely low income.

601
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:20,480
 Of those extremely low income households in Denton, which again that's 16% of households, about 9,000,

602
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,480
 88% are severely cost burdened and every single month paying more than half of their income towards their housing.

603
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:44,480
 When our nonprofits talk about Alice households and households living paycheck to paycheck, unable to save for retirement or medical bills, this is a huge, huge part of that story.

604
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,480
 In conclusion, we learned that the majority of units in Denton are single family homes.

605
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,480
 About half of units in Denton are rented, not owned.

606
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:02,480
 Both rents and home prices rose significantly between the months of January 2020 and December 2022.

607
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:11,480
 Most, many, it's not most, many common occupations can't afford to rent a studio in Denton on the whole.

608
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:21,480
 Of about the half of Denton residents who are considered low income, 69% are cost burdened and paying more than 30% of their income towards housing.

609
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:34,480
 And of that 16%, that 9,000 Denton households who are extremely low income, 88% are extremely cost burdened and spend more than half of their monthly income on housing.

610
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:43,480
 It's a bit of a downer, but this is the findings that our affordable housing needs assessment presented to us in 2021.

611
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:56,480
 And this is why city council chose to approve our affordable housing strategic toolkit in 2022, and ultimately I believe this is why Denton residents voted to approve the affordable housing bond last fall.

612
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:06,480
 I'm really looking forward to seeing you all next time and talking about solutions and what will be coming your way for consideration in the upcoming few years.

613
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480
 Do I have any questions?

614
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
 >> Questions as we finish out?

615
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,480
 Commissioner Smith?

616
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:26,480
 >> I know we're talking about solutions on the 14th, but just a question that came up in my mind earlier was when we talk about affordable housing initiatives coming from the bond package as approved, essentially that's bond money.

617
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,480
 So it's going to be city initiated, city led.

618
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:38,480
 Are some of those solutions including working with developers that we've already seen come into the city before with affordable housing?

619
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:47,480
 Okay, I didn't know what percentage was going to be that, or it's going to be, I'm just thinking of solutions that are probably not as feasible as working with private sector.

620
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,480
 >> I'm going to let Danny talk to you because she's excited.

621
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:57,480
 >> Danny, I'm just looking at it as like, if the city could go build $15 million of housing and run a city owned housing project.

622
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,480
 >> It wouldn't be a very big one.

623
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,480
 >> No, it wouldn't be.

624
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480
 No, and it wouldn't be very effective.

625
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:11,480
 >> No, I think that's what I'm most proud of in our toolkit and the strategies that were developed there because it really is looking at how we incentivize the private market to be the partner in this because we can't.

626
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:20,480
 It's $15 million at $275,000 per unit is not going to build very many units, so it's absolutely important for us to be working through strategies.

627
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,480
 So you'll be looking at incentive packages that are designed to incentivize that behavior from developers.

628
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,480
 We can't mandate it, state law ties our hands there, but we can incentivize that.

629
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:39,480
 So we say, we're going to offer you some incentives, if you all approve those, that will allow developers to get a little bit of bonuses in what they're doing in exchange for affordability.

630
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480
 And not just short term, but long term affordability over time.

631
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,480
 And those funds will help us with those incentives drastically.

632
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,480
 >> I'm going to put you on the spot here, Danny.

633
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,480
 >> Yeah.

634
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
 >> I know how it works on bond committees.

635
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,480
 >> Yeah.

636
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,480
 >> When you guys came in with this idea to the bond committee, was 15 your target?

637
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,480
 >> No, we came in at 10 million.

638
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480
 >> Oh, wow, okay, cool.

639
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,480
 >> The bond committee was nice enough to say.

640
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,480
 >> I was, yeah.

641
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,480
 >> Okay.

642
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,480
 >> We'll give you a couple more dollars.

643
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,480
 >> I didn't know if it was, you know, you guys came in with 30, and they said, look, all we can really do together is 15.

644
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480
 And that just kind of helps me with scope and understanding, but they did a 50% increase.

645
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,480
 >> No, they felt like we maybe came in low and offered that we could have some additional money to put towards that effort.

646
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,480
 >> We thought we could make an impact with 10, but now we're going to make even more of 15 is what we got.

647
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,480
 >> Yeah, yeah.

648
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,480
 We'll do what we can with it.

649
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,480
 >> Cool.

650
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,480
 Thanks, Danny.

651
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,480
 >> Yeah, thank you.

652
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,480
 >> Anybody else?

653
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480
 Commissioner Perot.

654
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,480
 >> Thank you, Chair.

655
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,480
 First of all, just thank you for this overview.

656
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480
 I would like to ask if we could have a copy of this.

657
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,480
 I know it's just a snapshot in time, but sometimes we don't always get a copy of the work session presentations.

658
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:54,480
 I think this would be a very helpful one to look back on.

659
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480
 And I guess just a couple of questions.

660
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,480
 If there are more things that we'll cover in the part two, that's fine.

661
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:14,480
 Commissioner Thaggart brought up the concept of co-housing and how people mitigate these challenges.

662
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:28,480
 I imagine the data is incredibly hard to get, but I would appreciate if you could at least introduce the concepts of sort of the difference in the housing speak of

663
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:36,480
 over-crowdedness versus density of families and how that works.

664
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,480
 And then -- yeah, sorry, if you want to say something.

665
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,480
 >> Just to answer that very quickly.

666
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,480
 We can and we actually include that in our five-year consolidated plan, so that data is relatively available as well.

667
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,480
 >> Okay.

668
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,480
 That's great.

669
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,480
 And then -- uh-oh.

670
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,480
 This is dangerous.

671
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,480
 I should have taken notes.

672
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,480
 >> You should have taken notes.

673
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,480
 I'm sorry.

674
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,480
 You're all --

675
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,480
 >> I got a question.

676
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,480
 You can think about it.

677
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,480
 >> Hang on.

678
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,480
 Commissioner Pruitt has the floor.

679
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,480
 Are you truly stuck at the moment?

680
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,480
 >> I'll take a break, yes.

681
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,480
 >> Okay.

682
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,480
 Okay.

683
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,480
 Anybody on this side?

684
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,480
 Yes?

685
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,480
 Okay.

686
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,480
 Commissioner Smith.

687
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,480
 >> Thanks.

688
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,480
 >> Okay.

689
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,480
 You're next.

690
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:24,480
 >> It was slightly mentioned in the presentation, but there was nothing really explicitly in the data that was presented that was directly student-related in looking at -- I mean,

691
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:34,480
 outside of the percentage of folks between 20 and 29, which we can correlate to student or most recently was student, right?

692
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:47,480
 Was there any data that came from the census that we could extrapolate that could help our understanding a little bit more about housing and the impact of being a heavily student population housing area?

693
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,480
 >> I'll answer that.

694
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480
 And if Dani has follow-up, yeah.

695
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:56,480
 I would be surprised if we were able to confidently extrapolate that from the census.

696
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,480
 However, we can look at internal data and see if there's anything there.

697
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,480
 Do you have anything to add to that?

698
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,480
 Yeah.

699
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:11,480
 >> I only ask that we -- Leadership Denton, which was almost eight years ago that I was on Leadership Denton, affordable housing was our project.

700
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:19,480
 And we wanted to address variables that hadn't been addressed by other organizations and entities in the city already.

701
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:31,480
 And our focus was on the impact of student housing, or student housing, the impact that students and housing students -- I don't want to say student housing, but housing students makes on the city.

702
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:41,480
 And so I didn't know, and as comprehensive as this is, if there was data that was related to that, to show that as an interesting and significant point.

703
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,480
 >> No, but we can use the university data on enrollment in the housing in those areas.

704
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,480
 We can also look at a couple of other parameters in that discussion to see.

705
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:58,480
 Because we do know that Denton is unique also in that we don't have as much naturally occurring affordable housing because it is taken up by students.

706
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:06,480
 And also the larger housing product is not available to families as frequently here because students are taking up larger housing because they're co-housing.

707
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,480
 So we can try to pull some more definitive data.

708
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,480
 Those are just anecdotal statements based on what we know from the numbers.

709
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,480
 But we'll see if we can get it to be something that you can be more confident in.

710
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480
 >> Gotcha. Thanks, Danny.

711
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,480
 >> Anything else?

712
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
 >> Commissioner Thacker.

713
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,480
 >> Thank you, Chair.

714
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,480
 I had the privilege of seeing Danny's presentation on the bond where I served.

715
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480
 It was a beautiful presentation.

716
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,480
 A couple of questions, and I believe, Danny, I may have asked you this one when I served on bond.

717
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:41,480
 Do you guys have data on the folks that are in long-term versus short-term housing, sort of like maybe a breakdown of what those families look like?

718
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,480
 And also the tenure that they are in both long-term and short-term.

719
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,480
 >> Yeah, and I appreciate that question.

720
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,480
 We have the tenure of the housing stock, but not of the people who are in it that we can pull.

721
00:47:53,480 --> 00:48:01,480
 But thank you for clarifying exactly what context you were looking for there because let us look at that to see if there's some way we can identify that.

722
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
 Because I think it would be important in our rental conversations for assistance, too.

723
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,480
 So thank you.

724
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,480
 >> I believe, yeah.

725
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
 Thank you.

726
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,480
 >> Commissioner Perutt.

727
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,480
 >> Thank you, Chair.

728
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,480
 I have recollected my thoughts.

729
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480
 These may be just hopeful requests for part two.

730
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:34,480
 I think one thing that we haven't really talked about is specifically with the LIHTC, sorry, Low Income Housing Tax Credit, WordSoup, the federal program that gives us -- gives private developers money when they offer affordable housing.

731
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:50,480
 The projects -- I think there's something called the Qualified Census Districts that changes the rules of that program and to some degree influences where those location -- or where those projects get requested.

732
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,480
 I think that would be helpful for us to see.

733
00:48:52,480 --> 00:49:07,480
 And then just some more information about, you know, we talk about transportation data, some kind of staff suggestion of how we should think about location in terms of land uses for these types of things.

734
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,480
 I know that's a huge concept.

735
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,480
 >> It's not.

736
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,480
 It's something we already have completed, but I'm going to let Dani say it because it's her brainchild.

737
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,480
 >> Yeah.

738
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,480
 Well, and I just wanted to kind of qualify.

739
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,480
 There's a couple of reasons why those census districts are important.

740
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:28,480
 There was a Supreme Court ruling in Dallas around the scoring and how it concentrated, inadvertently concentrated folks in certain areas.

741
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,480
 We're already experiencing that just by virtue of the way land costs are.

742
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,480
 So it's a good question.

743
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,480
 Let's let us, like, sit like that with the other things, too.

744
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:49,480
 >> I was thinking through -- because the qualified census track does incentivize, right, because there are people who are low mod income.

745
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
 Our goal is to diversify that, right?

746
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,480
 And so we're not prioritizing that in ours, but the state prioritizes it in the qualified action plan, the QAP.

747
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,480
 So that's how it actually happens through the state.

748
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,480
 >> Would you also want to throw in there information about our GIS?

749
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:15,480
 >> Yeah, I was going to say also additionally in that GIS map that was mentioned earlier, that is our internal assessment of vacant properties or underutilized properties.

750
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,480
 We are really looking directly at how close is this to a bus stop?

751
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,480
 Is this in walking distance of a school or a library or a potential workplace?

752
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,480
 And that's one of our major factors.

753
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,480
 So, yes.

754
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,480
 >> So it's really good to know that all that analysis is getting done.

755
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,480
 I understand why all that needs to keep -- stay in house.

756
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:51,480
 If there were some way of including relative scoring of projects where we have land use decisions on to give us an idea of is this sort of above median or below compared to other hopes, that would really help me.

757
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,480
 >> Yeah, that's definitely what we're trying to do.

758
00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:03,480
 And additionally, in the presentation as we have it scheduled for next time, we do go over the market value analysis and the kind of regions that they outlined, and that's all public data.

759
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:09,480
 And so kind of just discussing what characterizes each district and what we're hoping for that area.

760
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,480
 >> Yeah, I lay ahead and nail on the head just to go one step further, though.

761
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,480
 Our goal is to make sure we are making those recommendations in the future as you look at projects.

762
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,480
 Why is it being recommended on our side for these incentives?

763
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,480
 Because it does score this way.

764
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,480
 And so that's exactly where we're headed.

765
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,480
 Yes.

766
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480
 >> Thank you.

767
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,480
 >> Any additional questions?

768
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
 Anybody else?

769
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,480
 >> Okay.

770
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,480
 Thank you very much.

771
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,480
 Outstanding.

772
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,480
 Look forward to the part two.

773
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,480
 >> Just a shout out to Lea.

774
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,480
 This is really -- she's only been with us a few months.

775
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,480
 And so as you can see, she's amazing.

776
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,480
 Great team.

777
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,480
 And so she did a great job.

778
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,480
 So this is our first presentation in front of the city group.

779
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,480
 >> You did great.

780
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,480
 Thank you very much.

781
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,480
 Okay.

782
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,480
 That concludes our work session.

783
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,480
 So I'll go ahead and adjourn us at 6.01 p.m.

784
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:10,480
 We will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30 for our regular meeting.

785
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:17,480
 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, January 24th, 2024.

786
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,480
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.30 p.m.

787
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,480
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags.

788
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:39,480
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

789
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,480
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

790
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,480
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

791
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,480
 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

792
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,480
 >> Thank you.

793
00:52:45,480 --> 00:53:05,480
 First order of business is the consider approval of our minutes from our January 10th meeting.

794
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,480
 Are we having technical difficulties?

795
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,480
 Okay.

796
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,480
 We are going to have to do hands then.

797
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

798
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,480
 >> I make a motion to accept the minutes.

799
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,480
 >> Okay.

800
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,480
 Commissioner Villarreal.

801
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,480
 >> Second.

802
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,480
 >> Okay.

803
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,480
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

804
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,480
 We'll go ahead and vote via roll call.

805
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:23,480
 Commissioner Cole.

806
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,480
 >> Aye.

807
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,480
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

808
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,480
 >> Aye.

809
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,480
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

810
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,480
 >> Aye.

811
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,480
 >> Commissioner Smith.

812
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,480
 >> Aye.

813
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,480
 >> Commissioner Perrett.

814
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,480
 >> Aye.

815
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,480
 >> Chair is also an aye.

816
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,480
 That motion carries 6-0.

817
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,480
 We'll move to our consent agenda for this evening.

818
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,480
 Commissioner Perrett.

819
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,480
 >> I'll move to adopt the consent agenda.

820
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,480
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

821
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,480
 >> Second.

822
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,480
 >> We've got a first and a second for approval of our consent agenda this evening.

823
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,480
 Questions?

824
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,480
 Okay.

825
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,480
 Let's do roll call vote.

826
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,480
 Commissioner Perrett.

827
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,480
 >> Aye.

828
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,480
 >> Commissioner Smith.

829
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,480
 >> Aye.

830
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,480
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

831
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,480
 >> Aye.

832
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,480
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

833
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,480
 >> Aye.

834
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,480
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

835
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,480
 >> Second.

836
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,480
 >> Chair is also an aye.

837
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,480
 That motion carries 6-0.

838
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,560
 That will take us to our items for individual consideration.

839
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,320
 Our first is 4A, FP230036.

840
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,240
 Haley is here for presentation.

841
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:25,000
 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission.

842
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,480
 Haley Zagorski, Assistant Planning Director.

843
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,760
 The plat before you this evening is the final plat for the Denton West Joint Ventures.

844
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,700
 You may recall this property in the last year has gone through a zoning change for plan

845
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:40,200
 development with a suburban corridor based zoning located at the corner of Teasley and

846
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,640
 Ryan Road.

847
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,240
 At this time, staff is recommending denial of the plat as there are still some outstanding

848
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,120
 comments that need to be cleared.

849
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,040
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension to February 14th, 2024.

850
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,680
 I'm happy to answer any questions.

851
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:54,680
 >> Thank you, Haley.

852
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,680
 Any questions for Haley?

853
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,680
 Okay.

854
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,680
 Thanks, Haley.

855
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,680
 Commissioner Smith.

856
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,480
 >> I make a motion to approve the extension of date certain to February 14th, 2024.

857
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,480
 >> Thank you.

858
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

859
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,480
 >> I'll second.

860
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,400
 >> We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of

861
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,280
 February 14th, 2024.

862
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,280
 Any questions?

863
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,280
 Okay.

864
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,280
 Commissioner Cole.

865
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,280
 >> Aye.

866
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,280
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

867
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,280
 >> Aye.

868
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,280
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

869
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,280
 >> Aye.

870
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,280
 >> Commissioner Smith.

871
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,280
 >> Aye.

872
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,280
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

873
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,280
 >> Aye.

874
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,280
 >> Chair, is an aye.

875
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,280
 That's 6-0.

876
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:32,480
 >> In favor of that extension request, next item is 4B, FP230033.

877
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,320
 Hello again, Haley.

878
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,320
 >> Yes.

879
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,320
 Good evening.

880
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,500
 So this is a final plot for Phase 1B of the Hickory Grove addition.

881
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:43,800
 This property is located in the city's ETJ on the just west of the city limits along

882
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,920
 University Drive.

883
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,160
 At this time, staff is recommending approval of this plot as they've managed to clear all

884
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,120
 of their comments since the agenda was posted.

885
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,280
 I'm happy to answer any questions.

886
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,280
 >> Thanks, Haley.

887
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,280
 Any questions for Haley?

888
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,280
 >> No.

889
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,280
 >> Okay.

890
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,280
 Thank you very much.

891
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,280
 Commissioner Smith.

892
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,280
 >> Make a motion to approve.

893
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,960
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

894
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,960
 >> Second.

895
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,040
 >> And a first and a second for approval.

896
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,040
 Any discussion?

897
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,040
 Okay.

898
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,400
 Let's vote via roll call.

899
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,400
 Commissioner Pruitt.

900
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,400
 >> Aye.

901
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,400
 >> Commissioner Smith.

902
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,400
 >> Aye.

903
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,400
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

904
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,400
 >> Aye.

905
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,400
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

906
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,400
 >> Aye.

907
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,400
 >> Commissioner Cole.

908
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,400
 >> Aye.

909
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,400
 >> Chair, is an aye.

910
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,400
 That motion carries 6-0.

911
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,560
 The second is 4C, FP 240002.

912
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,520
 Hi, Erin.

913
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,520
 >> Hello.

914
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,520
 Let's see.

915
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:38,680
 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission, Erin Stanley, assistant planner.

916
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:44,640
 This is FP 23000 -- oh, that one's not it.

917
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,520
 This one, 240002.

918
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,840
 This is a final plot for the Denton Shady Shores edition.

919
00:56:51,840 --> 00:57:02,160
 This is east of I-35E and north of Shady Shores Road Street, I'm not sure.

920
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,400
 And at this time, staff is recommending denial of the final plot as it does not meet all

921
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,440
 of our criteria for approval.

922
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:14,520
 They have requested an extension which could be granted to the date of February 14th, 2024.

923
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,920
 >> Thanks, Erin.

924
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,560
 Any questions for Erin?

925
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:18,560
 Okay.

926
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:19,560
 Thank you.

927
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,640
 Commissioner Smith.

928
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,600
 >> Make a motion to approve the extension to date certain February 14th, 2024.

929
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,600
 >> Commissioner Cole.

930
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,600
 >> Second.

931
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,600
 >> Okay.

932
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,800
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the extension request to a date certain

933
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
 of February 14th, 2024.

934
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:35,960
 Any questions?

935
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,960
 Okay.

936
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,160
 Let's vote via roll call.

937
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,160
 Commissioner Cole.

938
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,160
 >> Aye.

939
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,160
 >> Commissioner Thaggard.

940
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
 >> Aye.

941
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,160
 >> Commissioner Villarreal.

942
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,160
 >> Aye.

943
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,160
 >> Commissioner Smith.

944
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,160
 >> Aye.

945
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,160
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

946
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,160
 >> Aye.

947
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,160
 >> Is there a second?

948
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,160
 I also an aye.

949
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,160
 That motion carries 6-0.

950
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,120
 That will take us to our public hearing portion for this evening.

951
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:02,360
 We have one item there, it's 5A, HL230002.

952
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,080
 Cameron is on her way up to make a presentation.

953
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,360
 I'll open the public hearing.

954
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,000
 >> Thank you, Chair and commission.

955
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,200
 Okay.

956
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,840
 As I said, this is Cameron Robertson, historic preservation officer.

957
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:29,480
 This is HL23-002B and this is for historic landmark designation of 314 Marietta Street.

958
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,280
 During the work session, I gave you all some background about what his historic landmark

959
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,880
 designation was and what are some of the benefits, so I'm going to jump right into the background

960
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,760
 information.

961
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,920
 So this property is located on the east side of Marietta Street, just south of Houston

962
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,080
 Place, so it's highlighted there in red.

963
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:51,520
 The owners are Travis and Sarah Rigsby and the construction date is circa 1940.

964
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,440
 Some of the building's history, it was originally constructed for Ms. Susie Shepard.

965
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,040
 The architectural style is a minimal traditional style.

966
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,760
 Since 1940, there have been 14 property owners and it has been used largely as a rental property

967
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,580
 since the 1960s to present day.

968
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:15,960
 So kind of referring back to that work session item, when we talked about that certificate

969
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,080
 of appropriateness that was approved by the Historic Landmark Commission in November of

970
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:26,280
 2023, the new addition that you can see highlighted in red, that was approved by the Historic

971
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:31,000
 Landmark Commission due to the fact that it did meet the Secretary of Interior standards

972
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,800
 as well as our West Oak Area Historic District design standards.

973
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,160
 So the request is for that historic landmark designation.

974
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:46,760
 You can see the property as it is today, and then that OR3 zoning.

975
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:54,640
 This is the front west and that north facades along Marietta Street, and then the south

976
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:03,360
 and rear east facades, and that rear facade shows the current sun porch, which is where

977
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,660
 the new addition is being added.

978
01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:12,560
 This is a survey of the property there, and you see the original abstract.

979
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,700
 But diving into staff analysis, I know there's a lot on this page right here, but we're focusing

980
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,360
 on the areas highlighted in red.

981
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:24,520
 So we're looking at A, J, K, and L, and this correlates to, when we're looking at the debt

982
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,380
 and development code, that correlates to 1, 10, 11, and 12.

983
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:31,720
 So I'm going to run through these.

984
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:38,520
 So the first area of criteria that we're looking at in section 2.9.4B is that character, interest,

985
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,200
 or value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural characteristics of the city, state,

986
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,760
 or the United States.

987
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,640
 The next one we're going to be focusing on is the location as the site of a significant

988
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,980
 historic event.

989
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:57,040
 Then K, looking at identification with a person who has significantly contributed to the culture

990
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,040
 and development of the city, state, or the United States, and then lastly, a building

991
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,320
 or structure that, because of its location, has become a value to the neighborhood, community

992
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,400
 area, or the city.

993
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:16,440
 So looking at that approval criteria A/1, much of the neighborhood north of the University

994
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:22,340
 of North Texas was plotted during the 1920s and the early 1930s, but most of those residents

995
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:25,840
 weren't built until the 1930s and the early 1940s.

996
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,760
 So kind of on Marietta Street and some of those higher streets along Houston Place,

997
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,560
 we do see a lot of minimal traditional house styles.

998
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:39,480
 In some examples, you can see above that 314 Marietta circa 1940s photo.

999
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,600
 These types of houses were intentionally designed to be simple, economical, and be mass produced,

1000
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,440
 especially during the Great Depression and following World War II.

1001
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,960
 And then as we kind of move through the 1940s, obviously we have a lot of servicemen returning

1002
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,640
 from war and their families, and as stated on the screen, the Federal Housing Administration

1003
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,920
 ensured long-term, low-interest home loans for these types of houses.

1004
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,000
 And then as you kind of move through the 1940s to the 1950s, that's when you start to see

1005
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,000
 the ranch style house come.

1006
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:21,400
 So moving on to Approval Criteria J/10, this is a Dens Le Leche League International Means

1007
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:27,320
 were originally hosted at 314 Marietta Street starting in the late 1960s.

1008
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,640
 One of the renters, Ms. Leroy Ball, she was the original leader of the group and was a

1009
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:38,160
 renter of 1314 Marietta Street from 1968 to approximately 1977, and one of the fun facts

1010
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,760
 was one of our historic landmark commissioners actually knew Ms. Leroy Ball, and so she said

1011
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,680
 this was really exciting to see.

1012
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,920
 Just to give you a little bit of background about the La Leche League International, it

1013
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:56,440
 is a non-governmental, non-profit organization that organizes advocacy, education, and training

1014
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,800
 related to breastfeeding, and it still exists today.

1015
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:08,440
 Moving on to Approval Criteria K/L, we did have two very significant families that did

1016
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,620
 occupy the house and were those owners of 314 Marietta Street.

1017
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:17,960
 We had the Shepard family, and that was Susie Shepard, who was the original owner.

1018
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,400
 Her family contributed largely to the education system in the North Texas region, both her

1019
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,520
 sons and her husband, as well as they owned a lot of multiple properties along Marietta

1020
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,460
 Street, which was pretty fascinating, and it's all in their backup, so I'm not trying

1021
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,920
 to go into too much detail, but if you want to learn more, feel free to check that out.

1022
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,220
 Also, there's the Hall family.

1023
01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:42,520
 They were the fifth owners of 314 Marietta.

1024
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,920
 They were heavily involved at UNT and in Denton.

1025
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,120
 They did own a printing press that ran until the 1940s, and they were heavily involved

1026
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,960
 with the yearbook at University of North Texas.

1027
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:59,280
 They also were owners of more than one property along Marietta Street.

1028
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:06,480
 And then Approval Criteria L/12, this is actually one of the criteria that the Historic Landmark

1029
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,860
 Commission asked to be added before it came to P&Z.

1030
01:04:12,860 --> 01:04:16,920
 They felt that this was really significant and that they felt that this property specifically

1031
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:22,560
 helped tell the story of development in Denton in the first half of the 20th century, specifically

1032
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:29,760
 as I said, the area north of UNT, as well as its connection with the La Leche League

1033
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,480
 and persons of interest to the community.

1034
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,440
 And as you can see kind of from the photo, from the sandborn map from 1921 to 1942, you

1035
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:45,120
 do see that large development moving west, so it is part of that kind of story.

1036
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,680
 In addition to staff's analysis, it is consistent with our 2019 Historic Preservation Plan,

1037
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:56,360
 specifically looking at Goal 1, Policy 1.3, which states we should prioritize and designate

1038
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,900
 eligible buildings and areas for potential landmarks and historic districts.

1039
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:05,840
 In addition, it is also consistent with our Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan, specifically

1040
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,400
 looking at Community Character Goal Number 2, which is preserve and maintain the unique

1041
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,800
 character of Denton for long-term sustainment of community character.

1042
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,760
 We did do public outreach.

1043
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,640
 We did post both the newspaper and websites in early January with a property sign posted

1044
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,640
 on January 11th.

1045
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:33,520
 We mailed notices to 19 within the 200 feet, 83 within the 500 feet, and then we did receive

1046
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,240
 one response in favor yesterday afternoon via email.

1047
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,160
 So staff is recommending approval of the request for the historic landmark designation at 314

1048
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,300
 Marietta Street, as it does meet our goals and objectives of the Denton 2040 Comprehensive

1049
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:53,220
 Plan and that 2019 Historic Preservation Plan, as well as meets that criteria for historic

1050
01:05:53,220 --> 01:05:58,120
 landmark designation outlined in 2.9.4(b) of the DDC.

1051
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,120
 As I stated previously, Historic Landmark Commission did recommend approval with conditions

1052
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,880
 5-0, and that was with the addition of that criteria 12.

1053
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:12,600
 So next steps would be going to public area and city council meeting on February 6.

1054
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:13,600
 Any questions?

1055
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,600
 >> Thank you.

1056
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,560
 Any questions right now for Cameron?

1057
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,560
 Thank you very much.

1058
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:30,560
 I do have one card wishing to speak, and it is the property owner, Mr. Rigsby.

1059
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,560
 Good evening.

1060
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,560
 >> Good evening.

1061
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,000
 Thank you all for having me.

1062
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:42,460
 I don't exactly know all I should say, but it was great working with Cameron, and this

1063
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:43,800
 is David here.

1064
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,680
 He's the architect, and he's sitting in the back here.

1065
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,400
 And originally, my wife and I, we wanted to purchase the house and build on it because

1066
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,240
 we'd like to be closer to the campus.

1067
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,400
 I was a student at the University of North Texas.

1068
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:06,140
 I graduated in 2015 with an engineering degree, but during that time, I met a group of Christian

1069
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:15,200
 believers, and I wanted to be involved more with the Christian community in Denton, Texas.

1070
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:22,320
 And so buying this house and adding to it, I think, fulfills the Susie Shepard name to

1071
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:27,520
 shepherd some students in the community in Denton and give back in this way.

1072
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:33,800
 So I appreciate the time to be here, and thank you all for your consideration.

1073
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:34,800
 >> Thank you.

1074
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,680
 >> Do we have any questions for him?

1075
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:37,680
 >> Yeah.

1076
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,880
 Do you have any questions?

1077
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,080
 >> I do not see any.

1078
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,080
 Thank you very much.

1079
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,080
 >> Yes, ma'am.

1080
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,080
 >> Okay.

1081
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:51,680
 I don't have any other cards wishing to speak, but this is a public hearing.

1082
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,480
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

1083
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,480
 Okay.

1084
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:00,720
 I'll go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1085
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,680
 Commissioner Villarreal, the board is working again.

1086
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,680
 >> It's working.

1087
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,680
 >> I move approval of the -- sorry, I move approval of the recommendation.

1088
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,680
 >> Commissioner Cole?

1089
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:11,680
 >> Second.

1090
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:12,680
 >> Okay.

1091
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:13,680
 We've got a first and a second.

1092
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,400
 To be consistent, we're going to go ahead and vote via roll call.

1093
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,000
 Is there any discussion before we go ahead and vote?

1094
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
 Okay.

1095
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
 Commissioner Cole?

1096
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
 >> Aye.

1097
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,560
 >> Commissioner Thaggard?

1098
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,560
 >> Aye.

1099
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,560
 >> Commissioner Villarreal?

1100
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:29,560
 >> Aye.

1101
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:30,560
 >> Commissioner Smith?

1102
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,560
 >> Aye.

1103
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,560
 >> Commissioner Pruitt?

1104
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,560
 >> Aye.

1105
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:34,560
 >> All in favor?

1106
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:35,560
 >> Aye.

1107
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,560
 >> All in favor?

1108
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,560
 >> Aye.

1109
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,560
 >> All in favor?

1110
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:39,560
 >> Aye.

1111
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,560
 >> All in favor?

1112
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,560
 >> Aye.

1113
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,560
 >> All in favor?

1114
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,560
 >> Aye.

1115
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:44,560
 >> All in favor?

1116
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,560
 >> Aye.

1117
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,560
 >> All in favor?

1118
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,560
 >> Aye.

1119
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,560
 >> All in favor?

1120
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,560
 >> Aye.

1121
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,560
 >> All in favor?

1122
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:51,560
 >> Aye.

1123
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,560
 >> All in favor?

1124
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,560
 >> Aye.

1125
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:54,560
 >> All in favor?

1126
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,560
 >> Aye.

1127
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,560
 >> All in favor?

1128
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,560
 >> Aye.

1129
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:58,560
 >> All in favor?

1130
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,560
 >> Aye.

1131
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,560
 >> All in favor?

1132
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,560
 >> Aye.

1133
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,560
 >> All in favor?

1134
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:03,560
 >> Aye.

1135
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,560
 >> All in favor?

1136
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,560
 >> Aye.

1137
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,560
 >> All in favor?

1138
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:07,560
 >> Aye.

1139
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,560
 >> All in favor?

1140
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,560
 >> Aye.

1141
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,560
 >> All in favor?

1142
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,560
 >> Aye.

1143
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,560
 >> All in favor?

1144
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:13,560
 >> Aye.

1145
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:14,560
 >> All in favor?

1146
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,560
 >> Aye.

1147
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,560
 >> All in favor?

1148
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:17,560
 >> Aye.

1149
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:18,560
 >> All in favor?

1150
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:19,560
 >> Aye.

1151
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,560
 >> All in favor?

1152
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,560
 >> Aye.

1153
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,560
 >> All in favor?

1154
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:23,560
 >> Aye.

1155
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,560
 >> All in favor?

1156
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:25,560
 >> Aye.

1157
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,560
 >> All in favor?

1158
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:27,560
 >> Aye.

1159
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,560
 >> All in favor?

1160
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,560
 >> Aye.

1161
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:30,560
 >> All in favor?

1162
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:31,560
 >> Aye.

1163
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,560
 >> All in favor?

1164
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,560
 >> Aye.

1165
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,560
 >> All in favor?

1166
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,560
 >> Aye.

1167
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:36,560
 >> All in favor?

1168
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,560
 >> Aye.

1169
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:38,560
 >> All in favor?

1170
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:39,560
 >> Aye.

1171
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,560
 >> All in favor?

1172
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,560
 >> Aye.

1173
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,560
 >> All in favor?

1174
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,560
 >> Aye.

1175
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,560
 >> All in favor?

1176
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,560
 >> Aye.

1177
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,560
 >> All in favor?

1178
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:47,560
 >> Aye.

1179
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:48,560
 >> All in favor?

1180
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,560
 >> Aye.

1181
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,560
 >> All in favor?

1182
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:51,560
 >> Aye.

1183
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,560
 >> All in favor?

1184
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,560
 >> Aye.

1185
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:54,560
 >> All in favor?

1186
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,560
 >> Aye.

1187
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,560
 >> All in favor?

1188
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:57,560
 >> Aye.

1189
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:58,560
 >> All in favor?

1190
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,560
 >> Aye.

1191
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,560
 >> All in favor?

1192
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,560
 >> Aye.

1193
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,560
 >> All in favor?

1194
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,560
 >> Aye.

1195
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:05,560
 >> All in favor?

1196
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:06,560
 >> Aye.

1197
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:07,560
 >> All in favor?

1198
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:08,560
 >> Aye.

1199
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:09,560
 >> All in favor?

1200
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,560
 >> Aye.

1201
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,560
 >> All in favor?

1202
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,560
 >> Aye.

1203
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,560
 >> All in favor?

1204
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:14,560
 >> Aye.

1205
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,560
 >> All in favor?

1206
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,560
 >> Aye.

1207
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:17,560
 >> All in favor?

1208
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,560
 >> Aye.

1209
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,560
 >> All in favor?

1210
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:20,560
 >> Aye.

1211
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,560
 >> All in favor?

1212
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:22,560
 >> Aye.

1213
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,560
 >> All in favor?

1214
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:24,560
 >> Aye.

1215
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,560
 >> All in favor?

1216
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:26,560
 >> Aye.

1217
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:27,560
 >> All in favor?

1218
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,560
 >> Aye.

1219
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,560
 >> All in favor?

1220
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,560
 >> Aye.

1221
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:32,560
 >> All in favor?

1222
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,560
 >> Aye.

1223
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,560
 >> All in favor?

1224
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,560
 >> Aye.

1225
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,560
 >> All in favor?

1226
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,560
 >> Aye.

1227
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,560
 >> All in favor?

1228
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:39,560
 >> Aye.

1229
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,560
 >> All in favor?

1230
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,560
 >> Aye.

1231
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:42,560
 >> All in favor?

1232
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,560
 >> Aye.

1233
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:44,560
 >> All in favor?

1234
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,560
 >> Aye.

1235
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:46,560
 >> All in favor?

1236
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,560
 >> Aye.

1237
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:48,560
 >> All in favor?

1238
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:49,560
 >> Aye.

1239
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,560
 >> All in favor?

1240
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,560
 >> Aye.

1241
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,560
 >> All in favor?

1242
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,560
 >> Aye.

1243
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,560
 >> All in favor?

1244
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,560
 >> Aye.

1245
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,560
 >> All in favor?

1246
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,560
 >> Aye.

1247
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:58,560
 >> All in favor?

1248
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,560
 >> Aye.

1249
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:00,560
 >> All in favor?

1250
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,560
 >> Aye.

1251
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,560
 >> All in favor?

1252
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,560
 >> Aye.

1253
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,560
 >> All in favor?

1254
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,560
 >> Aye.

1255
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,560
 >> All in favor?

1256
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,560
 >> Aye.

1257
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:08,560
 >> All in favor?

1258
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,560
 >> Aye.

1259
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:10,560
 >> All in favor?

1260
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,560
 >> Aye.

1261
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,560
 >> All in favor?

1262
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,560
 >> Aye.

1263
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:14,560
 >> All in favor?

1264
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,560
 >> Aye.

1265
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:16,560
 >> All in favor?

1266
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,560
 >> Aye.

1267
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,560
 >> All in favor?

1268
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,560
 >> Aye.

1269
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:20,560
 >> All in favor?

1270
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,560
 >> Aye.

1271
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:22,560
 >> All in favor?

1272
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:41,560
 >> Aye.

1273
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:42,560
 >> All in favor?

1274
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:43,560
 >> Aye.

1275
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,560
 >> All in favor?

1276
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,560
 >> Aye.

1277
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,560
 >> All in favor?

1278
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,560
 >> Aye.

1279
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,560
 >> All in favor?

1280
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,560
 >> Aye.

1281
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,560
 >> All in favor?

1282
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,560
 >> Aye.

1283
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,560
 >> All in favor?

1284
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,560
 >> Aye.

1285
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,560
 >> All in favor?

1286
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:55,560
 >> Aye.

1287
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,560
 >> All in favor?

1288
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,560
 >> Aye.

1289
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:58,560
 >> All in favor?

1290
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,560
 >> Aye.

1291
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,560
 >> All in favor?

1292
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:01,560
 >> Aye.

1293
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,560
 >> All in favor?

1294
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,560
 >> Aye.

1295
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,560
 >> All in favor?

1296
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,560
 >> Aye.

1297
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,560
 >> All in favor?

1298
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,560
 >> Aye.

1299
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:08,560
 >> All in favor?

1300
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,560
 >> Aye.

1301
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,560
 >> All in favor?

1302
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,560
 >> Aye.

1303
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,560
 >> All in favor?

1304
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,560
 >> Aye.

1305
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,560
 >> All in favor?

1306
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:15,560
 >> Aye.

1307
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:16,560
 >> All in favor?

1308
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:17,560
 >> Aye.

1309
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,560
 >> All in favor?

1310
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,560
 >> Aye.

1311
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,560
 >> All in favor?

1312
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:23,560
 >> Aye.

1313
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,560
 >> All in favor?

1314
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,560
 >> Aye.

1315
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,560
 >> All in favor?

1316
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,560
 >> Aye.

1317
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:28,560
 >> All in favor?

1318
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,560
 >> Aye.

1319
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,560
 >> All in favor?

1320
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,560
 >> Aye.

1321
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,560
 >> All in favor?

1322
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,560
 >> Aye.

1323
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,560
 >> All in favor?

1324
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:35,560
 >> Aye.

1325
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:36,560
 >> All in favor?

1326
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,560
 >> Aye.

1327
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,560
 >> All in favor?

1328
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,560
 >> Aye.

1329
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:40,560
 >> All in favor?

1330
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,560
 >> Aye.

1331
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:42,560
 >> All in favor?

1332
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:43,560
 >> Aye.

1333
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,560
 >> All in favor?

1334
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:45,560
 >> Aye.

1335
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,560
 >> All in favor?

1336
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,560
 >> Aye.

1337
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,560
 >> All in favor?

1338
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,560
 >> Aye.

1339
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:50,560
 >> All in favor?

1340
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,560
 >> Aye.

1341
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:52,560
 >> All in favor?

1342
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:53,560
 >> Aye.

1343
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,560
 >> All in favor?

1344
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:55,560
 >> Aye.

1345
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:56,560
 >> All in favor?

1346
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,560
 >> Aye.

1347
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,560
 >> All in favor?

1348
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,560
 >> Aye.

1349
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:00,560
 >> All in favor?

1350
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:01,560
 >> Aye.

1351
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,560
 >> All in favor?

1352
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:03,560
 >> Aye.

1353
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:04,560
 >> All in favor?

1354
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:05,560
 >> Aye.

1355
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:06,560
 >> All in favor?

1356
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:07,560
 >> Aye.

1357
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:08,560
 >> All in favor?

1358
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:09,560
 >> Aye.

1359
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,560
 >> All in favor?

1360
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,560
 >> Aye.

1361
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:17,560
 >> All in favor?

1362
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,560
 >> Aye.

1363
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,560
 >> All in favor?

1364
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:20,560
 >> Aye.

1365
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:21,560
 >> All in favor?

1366
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:22,560
 >> Aye.

1367
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,560
 >> All in favor?

1368
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:24,560
 >> Aye.

1369
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,560
 >> All in favor?

1370
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,560
 >> Aye.

1371
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:27,560
 >> All in favor?

1372
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,560
 >> Aye.

1373
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,560
 >> All in favor?

1374
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:30,560
 >> Aye.

1375
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,560
 >> All in favor?

1376
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,560
 >> Aye.

1377
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,560
 >> All in favor?

1378
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,560
 >> Aye.

1379
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,560
 >> All in favor?

1380
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:36,560
 >> Aye.

1381
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,560
 >> All in favor?

1382
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:38,560
 >> Aye.

1383
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,560
 >> All in favor?

1384
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:40,560
 >> Aye.

1385
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,560
 >> All in favor?

1386
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,560
 >> Aye.

1387
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,560
 >> All in favor?

1388
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:44,560
 >> Aye.

1389
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:45,560
 >> All in favor?

1390
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,560
 >> Aye.

1391
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,560
 >> All in favor?

1392
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,560
 >> Aye.

1393
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,560
 >> All in favor?

1394
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,560
 >> Aye.

1395
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:51,560
 >> All in favor?

1396
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:52,560
 >> Aye.

1397
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,560
 >> All in favor?

1398
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,560
 >> Aye.

1399
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,560
 >> All in favor?

1400
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,560
 >> Aye.

1401
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:57,560
 >> All in favor?

1402
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,560
 >> Aye.

1403
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,560
 >> All in favor?