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 Good evening, welcome to the June 21st Special Citizens Bond Advisory Committee, 20th, thank

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 you.

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 It's 6 p.m. and our first agenda item is consideration of the minutes for June 6th.

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 So any questions or comments on those meeting minutes?

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 Alright, would someone like to make a motion to approve?

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 Okay, Janet, thank you.

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 Second.

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 Second, Susan.

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 Any other discussion?

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 Alright, all in favor of approving the minutes as presented without amendment, say aye.

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 Aye.

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 Any opposed?

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 Same sign.

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 Thank you, motion carries.

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 Next on the agenda is our discussion on the topic of public art and we'll turn that over

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 to David.

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 Great, thank you everyone for being here this evening.

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 I want to point out what you have in front of you at the table to start off with.

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 We have a binder in front of you with all of the bond materials that have been presented

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 thus far and also kind of individual sheets on each one of the projects from streets to

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 sidewalks to public safety facilities with detailed information on each one of those

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 projects, information you've heard in the presentations but now you have it kind of

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 in a form in the binder as we move forward.

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 These will be, we kind of view these as living documents so each meeting that you come to

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 will give you the presentations to include in those in the binders, the financial information

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 as it gets updated will update those tabs as well so really just a good resource for

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 you all to keep everything together.

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 I'd like to thank our public affairs staff, our city manager's office staff, reprographic

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 staff on really working hard to get those binders ready for everyone.

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 Also on the two presentations we'll have tonight, just sent out a couple hours before the meeting

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 some revised presentations and you have those in front of you as well.

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 As we go through the public art presentation there's only one slide that's different.

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 We just added a slide with some comparisons that we'll get to here momentarily.

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 So unless there's any other questions I will get started with the public art presentation.

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 So we've been, we've been, sure.

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 So that was item D right now, item D was our sidewalks and street lighting today.

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 We've, we've, we'll get to that point but we're looking to move that to next week just

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 to answer some additional questions.

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 So we've had public art and included in our, in the 2012 and 2014 bond elections.

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 Each one was handled slightly differently so I'll go through how they were handled differently

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 but to start with just kind of a history of where we are with these, with these, these

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 pieces of public art in the bond programs.

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 In the 2012 program we had $400,000 allocated for public art and that was all within transportation

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 as that whole bond, whole bond was the transportation proposition.

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 And you can see these are fundings that we've, that we've currently allocated to some projects

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 within this bond proposition.

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 These are not, we have not spent these.

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 Some of these we haven't even started yet but at least right now we have these allocated

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 for these individual projects.

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 These all go, as we talk through this, these all go through the public art committee so

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 they can make decisions to move some of this, recommend moving some of this funding around

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 to different projects.

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 But you can, you can see what these, what the, what the intent is with having transportation

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 dollars for public art.

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 And I have a couple pictures I can switch, as we go through the 2012 and 2014 I'll show

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 you two or three pictures of what these look like.

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 And just to point out we have issued the entire $400,000 from that 2012 program for public

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 art.

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 In 2014 obviously we had, we had multiple propositions so we had more dollars to spend.

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 We also changed our policy, which I'll get to in the next slide, where we didn't have

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 any money allocated for streets but we did have public art in both the public safety and

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 in the parks propositions.

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 So you can see $325,000 total allocated for public safety and $180,000 total to be allocated,

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 total allocated thus far for parks, but we also have an additional $30,000 that we'll

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 be issuing next year as we close out the 2014 bond program completely with our final bond

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 issuance.

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 $30,000 of that bond issuance will be for public art.

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 So one of the big pieces here in the public safety was the 9/11 Memorial Bell Tower, which

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 again, as that was a public safety, in the public safety proposition all these dollars

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 had to be spent on public safety.

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 They did not have to be spent on a project within the bond, but it did have to be spent

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 in the world of public safety essentially.

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 I'll quickly just flip over and show you some of these pictures from the past.

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 There's the 9/11 Memorial Bell Tower.

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 Here's one of the medallions that's out there on the streets and then another piece right

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 there.

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 I'll go forward and talk a little bit about the policy, but these are for reference and

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 I can definitely answer any additional questions as we talk through this.

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 So the difference that you saw in the 2012 and 2014 bond programs as far as the funding

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 that was available was really due to a change in our public art policy in 2013 ahead of

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 the 2014 bond election.

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 At that time, the city made a decision to essentially only have 2% to 4% now in the

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 policy, 2% at the time, of vertical construction go to public art, whereas in 2012, it was

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 the entire cost of the bond program and that was a streets bond, so there was no vertical

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 costs at that time.

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 But in the 2014 program, and which is still our current policy, it only relates to essentially

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 vertical construction, does not relate to streets cost.

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 So as we look to the 2019 program, the only dollars that would be allocated in our current

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 policy would be those dollars related to the public safety facilities.

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 It would not have any percentage off of the streets proposition.

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 Another piece, as you saw in 2012 and '14, those percentages for public art stayed in

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 the proposition that the dollars came from.

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 So if it was in parks or public safety, they stayed within that proposition, thus as it

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 went through the art committee and we looked for projects for those funds, they had to

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 be related to the proposition.

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 There is an option within our current policy that we could create a third proposition or

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 fourth proposition that's just public art, and you could take that total if you say you

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 want it to be 2%, take that total amount and have it be its own proposition.

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 But if we went that route, that would mean that the voters would vote on that proposition

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 separately.

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 It is an option.

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 As we go through some comparisons, you'll see there is at least one city in the comparisons

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 that chose to do it that way, but just want to make sure we lay out all the options for

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 everyone.

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 Obviously, the benefit of doing that would be you have more options to spend the dollars

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 on.

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 So here's a new slide, and this is just kind of a quick analysis of some of these cities

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 that we know have had bond elections recently and that we view as comparison cities to show

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 that public art really ranges quite different from city to city, you can really go a lot

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 of different directions with it.

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 In Frisco, they have 1% to 2% of funding, but it's not necessarily for the entire proposition.

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 They really go project by project, and they say if we're going to go 1% on this project,

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 then we'll spend it with the project itself.

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 Allen is the example that they had their own bond proposition in there, I believe 2016

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 bond program, where they said we're going to do 2% of our total without land acquisition,

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 take that amount, put it in a bond proposition, and then the voters end up voting for the

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 bond proposition.

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 Then those dollars became available more wide-ranging.

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 McKinney, they have a public art program, but they don't allocate dollars from bond

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 programs.

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 They allocate other funding sources for their public art program.

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 You can see some options here with Dallas and Fort Worth.

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 Dallas does a 1.5% of project funding, but those are within each proposition, and then

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 their funding has to be near the site of the project that the funding was allocated to.

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 In Fort Worth, 2%, and it's within each proposition, similar to how we've done in the past couple.

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 Sure.

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 Did Allen's bond pass?

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 Yes.

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 Yeah, that bond proposition passed.

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 Do we have any examples of bonds where it was separate, that separate piece did not

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 pass?

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 I have not seen any in the comparisons I've looked at, but we can definitely keep looking

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 and trying to find what would be ... It would be interesting.

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 I don't know how frequent that happens, but we'll keep searching and see if we see one

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 like that.

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 Here are the options that we have right now.

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 Based on the charge from the committee, from the council to the committee, the charge was

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 to consider our public art funding at 2% or less, less than vertical construction as laid

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 out in our policy to be included in the bond program.

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 Here's an estimate of what that would be for our ... Just looking at our public facilities

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 portion would be about $900,000, and that would, if we kept it in public safety, obviously

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 only could be used for public safety projects.

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 Public art policy does allow, as I mentioned, the standalone bond proposition, so based on

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 the charge, it's set to follow the policy, so that does remain an option in the charge

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 that was given to the committee.

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 As we talk through this with city council, they were open to the committee talking this

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 through and coming back and recommending changes to our policy that would allow different routes

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 for public art.

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 I will say with that option, we would want to move fairly quickly on something like that

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 so that we can get a new policy in place before we get to the end of July, and we're making

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 that recommendation to council, but that is something the council was open to, of coming

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 back with revisions to the art policy as recommended by the committee.

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 In order to ... Sorry, I'm figuring out how I phrase this, you said if they were included

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 with one or two propositions that were proposed with, then they would be restricted to be

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 used along with projects that are similar in nature, is that correct?

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 Projects that would fall, so if it's public safety facilities, it would just need to be

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 at a public safety facility.

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 If it was the committee's desire to offer public art funding for projects that were

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 not necessarily earmarked for that particular use, but could be used for other ways in the

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 city, would that have to be a third bond proposition then?

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 That would have to be a separate proposition.

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 That would allow that flexibility.

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 Correct.

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 Thank you.

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 I was trying to figure out who picks out the art.

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 We have a public art committee, which ultimately they'll be the ones who recommend what we

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 move forward with.

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 They meet regularly, and options are presented to them, or they suggest things that they'd

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 like to see, and then they'll make those recommendations on what they want to move forward with.

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 They really are driven by the public art policy and how the ordinance had created the committee,

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 so those are their charges essentially of how they review those projects as they come

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 up.

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 Okay.

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 If you see art or whatever, no artists, then you would just actually go through that committee

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 and present, "Hey, I really feel like," or the public can actually ...

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 Sure.

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 Yeah, they could come and artists could come and present, would be a realm for them to

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 do that, sure.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 Any other questions?

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 So we have two options, and it sounds like if we're going to go to anything other than

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 option one, we need to make a decision in some time in the next ...

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 I would say in the next couple of meetings, obviously most of the decisions as we go through,

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 we don't have to make formal decisions till the end, but again, given the time on this

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 one, if you want to maybe at the next couple of meetings bring this back up, and we can

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 revisit with everyone and see if everyone's on the same page with keeping the policy itself

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 or going somewhere different.

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 So a similar question.

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 Could we suggest that the 2% be part of the public safety proposition but not part of

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 the roadways proposition?

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 With the policy itself now, that is the way it's written.

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 It's by default.

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 By then.

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 Because that's the only vertical construction.

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 Oh, right, right, right.

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 Yeah.

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 Because it makes a lot more sense to be doing color and art around a facility than the road.

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 Yeah.

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 Okay, got it.

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 Thank you.

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 So does the cost of the remodel of the police department, would that be considered vertical

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 construction?

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 It is.

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 Yeah.

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 It is.

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 The way it's written, it doesn't say vertical construction.

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 It doesn't have to be.

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 It essentially says not streets and transportation.

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 Oh, street.

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 Okay.

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 It doesn't say that is vertical construction, but it would essentially be that entire proposition,

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 2% of it.

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 Any other thoughts?

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 All right.

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 Okay.

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 Let's move on to the next item, then.

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 Okay.

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 Gary Packin, Director of Parks and Recreation, here this evening to talk to you about parkland

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 acquisition.

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 The presentation agenda, obviously we're here for consideration of a potential bond program

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 for land acquisition for future park space.

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 We're going to go over some reasons for land acquisition for the Parks Department, discuss

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 available resources that we currently have and that are available to us, provide a prioritized

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 list of real estate considerations and what we look at when we're looking for land, as

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 well as how we prioritize land when we're looking at it, and then receive feedback from

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 the board itself.

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 Some reasons for land acquisition, obviously, is for future parkland, preserve open space

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 and tree canopy, and connectivity of our trails and city assets, schools, public spaces.

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 A combination of some of those or all of the above could be included.

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 Some current acquisition mechanisms we have, we have a 2014 bond program, we have a little

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 over a million dollars that is planned to be available next year.

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 A tree mitigation fund, it's a $2.2 million is our last balance.

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 That can be used for land acquisition.

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 We have used it for tree planting, primarily, on the past, so we're currently going through

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 an urban tree plan at the direction of council from last November to go through that and

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 see how the recommendations are, how that's going to be used.

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 So it can be used for land purchases.

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 Land acquisition fund, which we call our 915 fund, that's part of our land development

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 and acquisition ordinance, and that is funding that comes in from development for land purchase

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 where a developer can either give us land or give us fee in lieu of, and they can give

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 us funding that we can go out and use that to buy land.

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 The downside of that is that it's sprinkled all over the city.

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 There's not lump sums.

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 So it could be more of a supplement or an assistance to a larger purchase.

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 Obviously, partnerships with development schools and businesses are an opportunity as well.

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 We have two park projects that are working through development.

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 One at Razor Ranch and one in South Denton, which is currently called Patrick Park, where

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 the development is going on and they're providing land and developing the park for us.

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 So that's another way to acquire land.

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 Obviously, a donation.

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 We're working through one land donation right now in southeast Denton.

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 Advancement or conservation easements is an opportunity, and then just a general lease

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 of property for park space.

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 So over the past, I guess, six, seven months, we've been working a lot on trying to get

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 a number of things assembled for our department.

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 I had mentioned earlier that we're working on our urban forest plan at direction of council.

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 That's going to give us some groundwork on how we plan to enhance and maintain our urban

00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:51.120
 tree canopy, but as well as how we can get some guidance on using the tree mitigation

00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:52.480
 fund.

00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:58.000
 Our parks master plan is really the foundation for our entire park system that typically

00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:02.600
 is renewed every five years and completely redeveloped every 10.

00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:08.840
 It was updated in 2009, so we're going through a complete overhaul of our master plan, and

00:18:08.840 --> 00:18:12.000
 part of that is looking at land acquisition and land needs.

00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.880
 Adoption of a 10-minute walk.

00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:19.520
 This is really kind of the foundation of how we're identifying where we need land.

00:18:19.520 --> 00:18:25.280
 NRPA, National Parks and Recreation Association and Trust for Public Lands, launched this

00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:32.360
 in 2017, and this is a tool that's aiming towards getting park space within a 10-minute

00:18:32.360 --> 00:18:35.960
 walk of every resident in the United States or a half mile.

00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:41.000
 So that's how we're identifying where our population is and where we're a void of park

00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.800
 space and that connectivity.

00:18:43.800 --> 00:18:50.000
 In March, we started identifying potential park property, and we continue to do this,

00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:56.000
 and assembling that and going through a process that we created this spring as well, and we're

00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.720
 calling it a Parks Property Algorithm, and how we go through, we evaluate, we have a

00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:06.920
 scorecard for each property, and then we rank those based on various considerations.

00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:10.440
 So we can kind of figure out what's the higher priority for us.

00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.120
 A 10-minute walk, obviously, is a major one of those, Urban Tree Canopy is, and I have

00:19:14.120 --> 00:19:16.760
 a slide I'll show you about that here in a little bit.

00:19:16.760 --> 00:19:22.600
 And then we're currently going through a complete rewrite of our park land acquisition and development

00:19:22.600 --> 00:19:26.960
 ordinance that was written in 1998, has not been updated.

00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:31.160
 That is where the developers pay for park land and development, where they donate that

00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.800
 land and build the park for us.

00:19:33.800 --> 00:19:40.040
 Again, that hasn't been touched since 1998, so it's outdated, and it's really 1988 values

00:19:40.040 --> 00:19:41.040
 as well.

00:19:41.040 --> 00:19:44.660
 So we're pretty underserved in regards to the return on investment that we're getting

00:19:44.660 --> 00:19:48.360
 from that.

00:19:48.360 --> 00:19:54.800
 Overview of the city, I'm going to jump out of here and go into a GIS program that we

00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:58.440
 have, just to kind of give you an idea of how we're looking at this, and then I'll

00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:03.320
 get into some more details.

00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:11.120
 So this is obviously the city, green is park property, and purple is city property.

00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:23.160
 And when we turn on our 10-minute walk, you can see where we have that half-mile radius

00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:28.660
 around each park property, and where we're void of those parks.

00:20:28.660 --> 00:20:32.780
 Now you can see there's city land here, that doesn't count because it's not park land.

00:20:32.780 --> 00:20:37.920
 You can partner with private organizations that have public parks, HOAs can be accessible

00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.260
 if you have a shared-use agreement, as well as schools.

00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:46.220
 So we're developing a list of potential opportunities we have there.

00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:50.700
 But this just gives you a general sense in regards to where our parks are and where those

00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:51.700
 voids are.

00:20:51.700 --> 00:20:55.080
 You can see where neighborhoods are underserved.

00:20:55.080 --> 00:21:00.760
 And then also, I can turn on where there's development going on, and this is through

00:21:00.760 --> 00:21:07.420
 our development services group, where these yellow boxes are where some forms of development

00:21:07.420 --> 00:21:09.200
 are happening in the city.

00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:13.160
 So you can see there's a lot of yellow boxes here, and these are various forms, whether

00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.680
 it's construction of new buildings, renovations, anybody that's pulled a permit, or that's

00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:19.900
 under evaluation right now.

00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:24.600
 So we use this tool here, as well as to identify where there's developments that are coming

00:21:24.600 --> 00:21:28.480
 that are going to have to be paying into our park land development fund, where there's

00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:33.200
 potential resources coming, and where we may be able to get park land in partnership with

00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.200
 that development.

00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:58.040
 So, our service areas.

00:21:58.040 --> 00:22:05.160
 This is the impact areas for our street impact fees, and we're proposing to use the same

00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.080
 zones for our new ordinance that's being written.

00:22:10.080 --> 00:22:15.080
 So what we've done the next couple slides is we've narrowed down to each zone and provided

00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:20.840
 some additional details in regards to what type of activity from park space is in that

00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:24.720
 area, population, and some analysis according to that.

00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:28.440
 I'm going to jump back to the presentation here, and we can jump back to this if you

00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.440
 have any questions.

00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:37.340
 So these are the zones that we just showed you.

00:22:37.340 --> 00:22:45.340
 So zone A, and this is the southwest denton on the west side of 35.

00:22:45.340 --> 00:22:51.800
 It's 100 coal ranches are at major portions of that space, as well as the ropes and area.

00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:56.080
 There's 3,500 residents there, so it's very small.

00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:59.680
 There's significant land needs as development would, future would occur.

00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.560
 We currently have 17 acres.

00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:03.360
 There's two parcels down there.

00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:05.720
 They are undeveloped at this time.

00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:12.760
 So when you figure out the numbers, that's 4.7 acres per thousand residents.

00:23:12.760 --> 00:23:18.240
 That's below the standard for NRPA, and there's significant trail opportunities.

00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.360
 Obviously, with future development going over there, we have an opportunity to start fresh

00:23:22.360 --> 00:23:24.600
 and tie into our current trail system.

00:23:24.600 --> 00:23:30.880
 Gary, do you take into consideration any of the areas with the end ropes and ranch proper

00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.220
 that are park-like?

00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:35.220
 They would have to be joint.

00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:36.220
 The 27 holes?

00:23:36.220 --> 00:23:37.220
 Just asking.

00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:41.240
 Yes and no.

00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:46.200
 From a master plan standpoint, we would consider that, but those are private parks, and the

00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.280
 general public does not have access to that.

00:23:48.280 --> 00:23:52.960
 If we could get a joint use agreement for use of their pickleball courts on a regular

00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:58.240
 basis where the public can come and go, then that would be considered as part of our 10

00:23:58.240 --> 00:23:59.240
 minute walk.

00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.520
 So from a 10 minute walk standpoint, obviously, this is poor.

00:24:01.520 --> 00:24:03.200
 We don't have any trails out there.

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:08.100
 There isn't a lot of residents, but from that standpoint, that's poor.

00:24:08.100 --> 00:24:17.400
 So impact zone B, and this is east of 35W, south of 35E, there's population is 42,000.

00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.920
 We're getting feedback from this area of the community that they want more.

00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:29.720
 At 35, the highway is really a barrier for access going north, just a mental barrier

00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.000
 and a physical barrier.

00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.520
 We do have a future southwest park, which is planned right in this area right here.

00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:39.760
 So that's 200 acres that's currently undeveloped.

00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:42.640
 There are no baseball fields on this side of town.

00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:43.640
 There's one soccer field.

00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.400
 So can you point to where Denia would be?

00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.680
 Denia is right here.

00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:53.240
 So we do have a rec center in this area, it's in the northern section.

00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.540
 There had been discussions, I guess, along the way once this property was purchased that

00:24:57.540 --> 00:25:00.920
 maybe a rec center, a future rec center, could go in that area.

00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.920
 We're going to be working on that master plan sometime later this year for that park.

00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.880
 So it's just north of Country Lake.

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:12.160
 Yes, it's right by Allred and Vintage, between Allred and Vintage and Bonnie Bray.

00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:18.920
 So not all of the grand spaces are necessarily developed, it's just spaces that are currently

00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:19.920
 parkland.

00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:20.920
 Yes, ma'am.

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.640
 We have nine undeveloped parks.

00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:29.560
 No, they're a little over.

00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:32.440
 So we have 636 acres.

00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:40.400
 With that amount of acreage in pretty much three large park areas, we're at 15.2 acres

00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:48.240
 and that is above the NRPA median for 1,000 residents.

00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.280
 Trail opportunity, even with the development that's going on there, there's still a significant

00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:53.560
 opportunity.

00:25:53.560 --> 00:25:57.660
 With some of the roads that are being rebuilt, we're working with other city departments

00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:03.160
 to make sure we include a 10-foot wide sidewalk or trail that could be shared use to get from

00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:14.120
 point A to point B along the roads and then try to tie in our park system at the same

00:26:14.120 --> 00:26:15.120
 time.

00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:18.240
 Is that land in the south part that's in between, or the undeveloped part, yeah, there.

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.240
 Right here?

00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:20.240
 Yeah.

00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:21.240
 Is that available for acquisition?

00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.840
 Is there a reason they're not connected?

00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:24.840
 Yeah, there is.

00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:26.720
 Is there a creek through there?

00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:27.720
 This is the creek here.

00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:28.720
 Okay.

00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.720
 This is city property.

00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.520
 This is where the fire station is and a proposed police station.

00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:35.460
 And then this is park land.

00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:38.960
 This is privately owned at this time.

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:39.960
 And they won't sell it?

00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:45.440
 We haven't talked to them about selling it, but that could be a discussion.

00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:54.320
 Are there environmental easements through there, like Hickory Creek?

00:26:54.320 --> 00:26:55.320
 ESAs?

00:26:55.320 --> 00:26:56.320
 Yeah.

00:26:56.320 --> 00:26:57.320
 I believe there are ESAs on the creek.

00:26:57.320 --> 00:26:58.320
 Yeah.

00:26:58.320 --> 00:27:02.480
 And they don't extend down any further, or they don't count as park land?

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:03.480
 Yeah.

00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:08.040
 Some of this is in the floodplain where this area is not.

00:27:08.040 --> 00:27:11.080
 Gary, can you define what an ESA is, please?

00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:12.080
 Environmentally sensitive area.

00:27:12.080 --> 00:27:16.320
 And those don't count as park land?

00:27:16.320 --> 00:27:22.200
 We can have park land that is also an ESA, yes.

00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:29.760
 And you can have private land that is also an ESA.

00:27:29.760 --> 00:27:37.040
 Zone C, this is kind of the northwest Denton population, 12,585 people.

00:27:37.040 --> 00:27:43.240
 This is where the property, a park in Razor Ranch, is currently being developed.

00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:49.000
 We do, again, have still a significant need for land.

00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.440
 And while it's still low, potential future development in that area.

00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.200
 We do have 444 acres.

00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.320
 Most of that is North Lakes Park.

00:27:59.320 --> 00:28:08.000
 And that puts us at 35.29 acres, way above the NRPA median at that point for 1,000 residents.

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.400
 A trail opportunity.

00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:14.440
 We haven't done enough research in that area, but I still think there's a tremendous opportunity

00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.440
 there.

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.140
 We just haven't kind of forecasted that.

00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:20.160
 And then the 10-minute walk, we consider to be poor.

00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.240
 And the park going in Razor Ranch now is not on there, correct?

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.000
 It's not on here yet.

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.440
 It's located right up, right here, right at the tip of the arrow.

00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.760
 It's just shy of 10 acres.

00:28:32.760 --> 00:28:37.040
 And it's located in the middle of apartment complex, mixed-use development, right there

00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:40.040
 by Albertsons.

00:28:40.040 --> 00:28:42.320
 And that's McKenna Park?

00:28:42.320 --> 00:28:45.440
 McKenna Park is the square, yeah, right here.

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.800
 And this is Bonnie Bray.

00:28:47.800 --> 00:28:50.940
 Some of that area is not residential.

00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:52.680
 It's not going to be residential.

00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.320
 It's zoned, partial or industrial.

00:28:56.320 --> 00:29:01.720
 So, there's not, we're not looking at that piece of gray and saying, okay, all that's

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.600
 going to be houses or apartments.

00:29:04.600 --> 00:29:10.800
 There's a number of apartments around it, and then there's some residential too, between

00:29:10.800 --> 00:29:18.720
 the park and Bonnie Bray, and everything primarily to the west is the commercial space.

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:27.160
 Zone D, this is kind of northeast Denton, population a little less than 17,000.

00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.960
 We have identified a number of opportunities for trails in this area.

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.640
 From a rec center standpoint, there is not a rec center.

00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.600
 We are, as part of our master plan, looking if we could not maybe add on to an auditorium

00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:43.500
 in the future and make that a rec center as well as opposed to just a swim facility.

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:46.840
 So that's an opportunity for consideration for the community.

00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:51.080
 There's no dedicated athletic space other than the competitive pool.

00:29:51.080 --> 00:29:56.960
 We do have 65 acres there, 3.89, that is below the NRPA standard.

00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:02.440
 A trail opportunity, again, we've identified a number of opportunities for trails up there,

00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.360
 especially as roads are developed.

00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:09.560
 And then from a 10-minute walk, with most of our parks in the lower left quadrant of

00:30:09.560 --> 00:30:13.000
 that sector, we consider that poor as well.

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:17.760
 So that's Nevy Schultz and Avondale there in the bottom?

00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:18.760
 Right in here.

00:30:18.760 --> 00:30:20.760
 And this is Cooper Creek.

00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:21.760
 Right.

00:30:21.760 --> 00:30:26.000
 And what's the pink and yellow?

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.600
 This pink here?

00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:33.840
 This is the city limits, and this is the ETJ.

00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:38.680
 We're concerned with parkland in the ETJ, or are we?

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.640
 Eventually, that will be turned over to the city.

00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.640
 That will become city land in 2021?

00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:43.640
 It's not right now.

00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.640
 It's not right now?

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.560
 They all have different timeframes.

00:30:47.560 --> 00:30:48.560
 Different timeframes?

00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:49.560
 Okay.

00:30:49.560 --> 00:30:56.680
 Is the ETJ playing into our calculations of acres per whatever?

00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:03.720
 Right now, our formula, I believe, is just pulling off of the city, not the ETJ.

00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:04.720
 Okay.

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:05.720
 That's a good question.

00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:06.720
 I need to double-check that.

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.720
 What's the purple right now?

00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:13.800
 It's a city on them, but is there anything there, or is it just land?

00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:15.680
 So this piece right here?

00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:21.120
 This property was purchased for a future wastewater treatment plant.

00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:25.040
 I think currently, they decided that that's not needed, that there's going to be a pump

00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:26.880
 station there.

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.880
 So that, we have had some discussions with the wastewater department utilities about

00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.320
 potentially putting some park space in there.

00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:40.240
 Some of the smaller ones are substations for DME.

00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.240
 Yeah.

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.240
 Various city land.

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.240
 Cooper Creek Trail?

00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.240
 Yeah.

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.240
 No.

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.240
 Sorry.

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:47.240
 Clear Creek.

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.240
 Thank you very much.

00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.240
 Yeah.

00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.320
 Clear Creek is basically all of this right here.

00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:52.320
 Okay.

00:31:52.320 --> 00:32:03.160
 And I can jump on the map and show you that.

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:09.240
 And that isn't included in the city parks because that's core property, right?

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.240
 It is core property.

00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.840
 It's managed by our environmental group.

00:32:13.840 --> 00:32:18.920
 We are not including that in some of our details because 2,000 acres of wood is raised, 25

00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:19.920
 acres.

00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.920
 It throws our numbers way off.

00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.000
 It creates a little bit of confusion numerically.

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.280
 So we don't include that in our neighborhood parks, our general park system.

00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:33.240
 So you have a committee for this?

00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.600
 For land acquisition?

00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:35.600
 Yes.

00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:39.960
 Well, anything that we buy, we would work with parks department or parks board as well

00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:40.960
 as city council.

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:41.960
 Okay.

00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:48.000
 For eventual approval.

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.420
 And then zone E, this is obviously the area that we're in right now.

00:32:53.420 --> 00:32:57.760
 It's the most densely populated, 63,000 people.

00:32:57.760 --> 00:33:01.960
 As we're doing our master plan, we have North Lakes and South Lakes and then eventually

00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.440
 Southwest Park.

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:07.120
 And we're considering those based on their size as city parks.

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:10.680
 And so we're looking at potentially an East and West Lakes Park.

00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:18.040
 So we kind of have a ring of city parks and those are typically 100 acres or more that

00:33:18.040 --> 00:33:20.200
 would have more services in them.

00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.440
 So this is a potential location for that.

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.880
 We do have 183 acres in this zone.

00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:33.620
 They're fairly smaller size parks at 2.87 acres, which is well below the median based

00:33:33.620 --> 00:33:35.600
 on the population and the density.

00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:38.620
 Again, trail opportunity with the number of small parks.

00:33:38.620 --> 00:33:44.280
 We have plotted out some locations for connectivity, which I'll show you here in a second for trails

00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:45.280
 in the future.

00:33:45.280 --> 00:33:47.400
 And then our 10 minute walk to consider this good.

00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.460
 Gary, sorry, can you orient us?

00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:54.240
 So this is Quaker Town right here.

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.240
 This is where we're at.

00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.500
 Anything on the far left is McKenna?

00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:02.080
 This is McKenna.

00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:06.560
 This is Mack Park over here.

00:34:06.560 --> 00:34:17.360
 And this is the landfill to give you an idea of the giant purple wall.

00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.080
 And I just mentioned about connectivity.

00:34:20.080 --> 00:34:26.040
 This was one of the first areas that we started to research and we're calling it Pecan Creek

00:34:26.040 --> 00:34:32.720
 Linear Trail where we're taking and we're following the creek itself in many areas and

00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:40.120
 we're trying to connect city assets, future development, city property, city parks, and

00:34:40.120 --> 00:34:43.360
 then eventually maybe even the Army Corps of Engineers property.

00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.840
 So to give you an idea, this is Fredmore Park here.

00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.800
 The Katy Trail runs parallel kind of up into this area here.

00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:56.200
 We could go from the Katy Trail through Fredmore across the street, through some city property

00:34:56.200 --> 00:35:01.240
 here across the drainage creek into Carl Young.

00:35:01.240 --> 00:35:08.560
 This purple is the county jail property, working to get an easement potentially from them.

00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:13.960
 Into city property, we have to get across Woodrow and then into this property, which

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:18.080
 is city property, and then eventually a development that we've had discussions to that would connect

00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:23.480
 all of that as well as to Mack and those parcels.

00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:28.420
 And then take us over to Pebblebrook Creek, which is a city undeveloped area.

00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:29.680
 And then this is the landfill.

00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:34.720
 So we'd work our way probably on the north side of the creek, of the landfill, and then

00:35:34.720 --> 00:35:39.960
 that connects into the Army Corps of Engineers so that could take us down to the lake.

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.920
 So we would have a trail eventually in some form or fashion.

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.920
 It's a long-term plan.

00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.480
 How many miles would that be?

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:51.720
 I haven't measured that yet because it would be obviously a guesstimate, but we haven't

00:35:51.720 --> 00:35:52.780
 done that yet.

00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:57.900
 So we're looking at areas like this throughout the city, whether it's adjacent to the street

00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:05.600
 on a 10-foot trail or completely off-road along creeks, which is an easier path because

00:36:05.600 --> 00:36:07.900
 typically it's in the floodplain and you can't develop there.

00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:12.280
 So it gives us that opportunity to put a trail through there.

00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.100
 So some of the considerations when we're looking at land, we have 18, 20 different ones here.

00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:21.400
 Our three main ones right now are our 10-minute walk that allows us to identify where we have

00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:27.500
 vacancies and we're underserving our tree canopy and trying to preserve our trees.

00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:30.080
 And then connectivity of our assets.

00:36:30.080 --> 00:36:34.360
 There's other things, whether it's culture or history, wildlife, habitat, corridors,

00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:40.720
 the location itself, how can we assist economic development, stormwater management.

00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:45.140
 Funding sources obviously help drive that where we may have 915 money, helps identify

00:36:45.140 --> 00:36:47.720
 that because that's kind of landlocked funding.

00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:53.720
 The quality and species of trees, underserved areas, and then any way we can achieve any

00:36:53.720 --> 00:36:55.720
 other city goal.

00:36:55.720 --> 00:36:59.240
 Quality costs and beautification are major factors as well and it could be something

00:36:59.240 --> 00:37:04.760
 that's waterfront, could be lakefront, it could be topography where there's some undulation

00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.860
 in the land where it's unique features for the city are all factors that we look at.

00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:15.400
 So we started this back in the spring and we really didn't have a way to look at land

00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:21.760
 and figure out how we feel it's better than another piece of land, other than just kind

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.480
 of a gut feeling.

00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.300
 So we created all those considerations and created a scorecard.

00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:33.640
 So we have a little evaluation sheet we go through and we score each parcel in regards

00:37:33.640 --> 00:37:41.400
 to its tree canopy, its location, its cost, its unique features, all of that.

00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:47.160
 And then we look at DCAD value, its DCAD value per acre, its total acre opportunity, the

00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:51.720
 percent of trees on the property, if we can have open space as well as preserved trees,

00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:57.840
 uniqueness of those trees, 10 minute walk and those other sources and we figure out

00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.080
 how we're going to rank those and we prioritize those.

00:38:00.080 --> 00:38:05.880
 So what we did with this scenario is we had a list of 35, 40 properties, we went through

00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:10.240
 and scored them and then we highlighted the top, I think it was the top 10, what you see

00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:14.680
 in green and then we added all the top 10s together just to kind of see what would surface

00:38:14.680 --> 00:38:18.880
 to the top, kind of what was the cream of the crop to identify where we may want to

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.080
 look at land.

00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:25.160
 So that's how we kind of came up with a prioritization process.

00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:30.520
 It's not perfect but it's better than what we had before which was really nothing.

00:38:30.520 --> 00:38:32.940
 It was just kind of a gut feeling.

00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:38.480
 So at least this gave us some direction on how to focus our time and prioritize how we're

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:43.740
 going to approach future land acquisition.

00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:45.640
 So I have two slides here.

00:38:45.640 --> 00:38:52.600
 Our PA has what they call park metrics and parks and recreation departments across the

00:38:52.600 --> 00:38:57.800
 country submit all their demographics, all their budgets, their park land, all their

00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:02.400
 features and the assets they have so they can use all the information and then share

00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.640
 it amongst everybody so you can kind of see how you can pair and rank with other departments

00:39:07.640 --> 00:39:14.920
 of similar size, demographics, land, government entity, etc.

00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:20.840
 And so we've been working on analyzing that for this process.

00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:26.400
 And the one thing that we've looked at is our developed and undeveloped land which from

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:34.480
 a park standpoint we have basically 1500 acres that does not include the 2500 at Clear Creek.

00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.120
 It does not include right-of-ways and medians as well.

00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:46.560
 So we first looked at our population of cities in the country of 100,249,000.

00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:51.740
 And then we took three considerations for the bond amount of $5, $10, and $15 million

00:39:51.740 --> 00:39:56.920
 at an average cost of $80,000 an acre and obviously that can fluctuate based on time

00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.860
 the bonds are sold to where the property is and what's going on around it.

00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:07.000
 And that would equate to about 62 acres if we did a $5 million bond program.

00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.000
 We currently have 14, I would say 1500 acres.

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:16.440
 Based on our current standard with a population of 136,000 people we actually have a surplus

00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.960
 of a little over 300 acres based on this formula.

00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:28.360
 If you look on 2025 with an average growth of 171,000 we're at 98 acres so that starts

00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:33.000
 to shrink a little bit assuming we're not buying any land other than the 62 acres that

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.120
 would be bond program.

00:40:35.120 --> 00:40:41.480
 And then at 2030, our 2030 plan projects of 207,000 people.

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.360
 We're now at a deficit of 203 acres.

00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.960
 Now this is the average.

00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.840
 This is the average city in the United States based on parkland.

00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.560
 That's not the upper quartile or trying to excel past that.

00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:58.760
 That's just being the average as a plateau.

00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:03.160
 And then the same goes on with 10 and 15 million.

00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:04.500
 You can see how it progresses.

00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:07.580
 So the green is positive and the red is negative scores.

00:41:07.580 --> 00:41:14.360
 So for the most part based off of population we're in good shape.

00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:23.400
 This is one of nine categories that NRPA has for us to look at in regards to land and acreage.

00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:31.760
 So what we did is we took all nine categories and figured out the average acre per thousand

00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:37.040
 and we came up with the same scenario but if you look at this in 2020 we're currently

00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:41.800
 40 acres in a deficit and again this is average.

00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:48.240
 This isn't you know being in a higher quartile of municipalities.

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:55.840
 And in 2025 we're 377 short and 2030 we're 778 short.

00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.200
 Again that's only accounting for no other land purchases other than the 62 acres that's

00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:03.440
 shown here that would be part of that initiative.

00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:10.480
 Now there's a number of ways that we could split the apple on this.

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:16.840
 If you look at this first slide in regards to the population it looks good.

00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.840
 And this could be our metric if that's what we want to do.

00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.740
 But we wanted to show you both options.

00:42:22.740 --> 00:42:24.700
 Good shape here.

00:42:24.700 --> 00:42:31.380
 This is the highest ranking category for us in regards to land and then this is the average

00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:37.280
 of all nine of the categories and those nine categories down here are all cities, population,

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.800
 budget size, acres maintained, FTEs, number of parks maintained, population per square

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:49.320
 mile, the jurisdiction whether it's a city county or a private park district and then

00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.540
 region for southern or southwest U.S.

00:42:52.540 --> 00:42:56.440
 So there's numerous ways to look at the numbers.

00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:03.600
 And we wanted to provide kind of more than one way to kind of look at this.

00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:05.600
 So that's the presentation.

00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:14.520
 I'm not sure I understand this one, if we're investing $15 million why wouldn't it make

00:43:14.520 --> 00:43:20.380
 a bigger dent in 2020, wasn't it supposed to be?

00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.720
 This assumes that land wouldn't be purchased in 2020.

00:43:22.720 --> 00:43:27.520
 So this category here is our current $1496.

00:43:27.520 --> 00:43:28.520
 Got it.

00:43:28.520 --> 00:43:31.600
 So then if we added $187.5, got it.

00:43:31.600 --> 00:43:37.240
 So we're adding and then we're losing a little bit because the population is going up.

00:43:37.240 --> 00:43:43.020
 So did you run it with one, two, three, four, five, I mean I'm wondering if there's one

00:43:43.020 --> 00:43:49.200
 metric in there that's kicking us down low or is there anything that we.

00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:50.200
 Sensitivity analysis.

00:43:50.200 --> 00:43:56.660
 Yes, so we didn't run it for each one.

00:43:56.660 --> 00:44:03.000
 This one here for the population was the one that we were the best in and that's why you

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.760
 see a lot of that green.

00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:11.400
 The other ones were five acres off per thousand so that's dragging us down a little bit when

00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.000
 you look at that category.

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.360
 But ultimately we just need to figure out what's the category we really want to classify

00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:21.160
 ourselves at and we thought this one was kind of one of the better ones.

00:44:21.160 --> 00:44:23.160
 Gary, Diana?

00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:24.160
 Hi.

00:44:24.160 --> 00:44:34.580
 Do we have an overlay of the development plan and the little green spaces?

00:44:34.580 --> 00:44:35.580
 We do actually.

00:44:35.580 --> 00:44:40.120
 I can jump back to this.

00:44:40.120 --> 00:44:48.440
 So let me turn some things off here.

00:44:48.440 --> 00:45:00.040
 Okay, so again I'll make this a little bit bigger, I'll zoom in here in a second.

00:45:00.040 --> 00:45:03.320
 The green is parks and the purple is city.

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:08.240
 When you turn into what we did is we took the map that development services has that

00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:12.760
 has all of their projects that are in the works whether it's permitting, construction,

00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:20.400
 whatever that is and we overlaid that so that's the yellow that you're seeing.

00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:30.200
 Those are various forms of development consideration.

00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:38.460
 So that gives you an idea of kind of what's going on in the city.

00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:39.460
 Sure.

00:45:39.460 --> 00:45:44.960
 The wildlife person is going to ask this question, right?

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.160
 Is there an overlay that shows where the ESA's are?

00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:52.760
 Have they been identified?

00:45:52.760 --> 00:46:00.040
 We do have, I don't have the ESA overlay on this but we can put that together.

00:46:00.040 --> 00:46:01.040
 Okay.

00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:05.320
 That is available on the city's website too.

00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.320
 There's an interactive map that's online.

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.320
 Awesome.

00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:10.320
 Okay.

00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:18.600
 Have we thought about partnering with, I was the one with the Veterans Village, we partnered

00:46:18.600 --> 00:46:21.160
 with UNT with that one.

00:46:21.160 --> 00:46:28.520
 Is there the possibility of partnering with them, they own a lot of land?

00:46:28.520 --> 00:46:29.520
 UNT?

00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:35.600
 There's, whether it's a school or a university or a private sector that has land that's not

00:46:35.600 --> 00:46:41.680
 going to be developed that maybe is underutilized, we could definitely approach that for consideration

00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:48.120
 especially if there's an area that we need to put a creek or a trail through an area

00:46:48.120 --> 00:46:50.120
 that's on a linear trail.

00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:56.160
 We could get an easement from them to help us go through there so there's more than one

00:46:56.160 --> 00:47:03.440
 way to peel the orange I guess, and we're trying to utilize all those opportunities

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.960
 to build our park system.

00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:13.160
 One last, the wildlife corridors, are we anticipating them going under or somehow going west to

00:47:13.160 --> 00:47:18.240
 east or are we only looking at north-south?

00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:24.800
 Well the interstates are big challenges.

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.480
 And that's going to take a little more work.

00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.880
 We're trying to figure out how to put trails across those or underneath those when roads

00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.000
 are built.

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:41.280
 There are one or two, I know there's one area on 35W that is a Corbin, could be an opportunity

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:45.700
 to get underneath there for trail connectivity.

00:47:45.700 --> 00:47:50.040
 Everything else is more or less along the roadside.

00:47:50.040 --> 00:48:00.200
 On the 9/15 funding, I think that may have come out of the dog park discussion, so if

00:48:00.200 --> 00:48:05.760
 you get money from the developer, how far away can you spend the money distance-wise?

00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.720
 It starts out at a half mile and it can go up to a mile.

00:48:09.720 --> 00:48:18.320
 I can turn on, so one of the things we worked on this past year is identifying where that

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:23.960
 funding is exactly located.

00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:33.320
 So all the blue dots are where our 9/15 funding is, where that's available for land acquisition.

00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:36.880
 So you're really limited on that space.

00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:41.920
 When we go through the redevelopment of the ordinance, we're hoping to switch to the

00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:47.200
 quadrants that we showed earlier so that money can be spent in one of those five geographic

00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:52.480
 locations that now open up a little more flexibility with funding.

00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:59.320
 But we still have some work to do on that.

00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:00.800
 Any other questions?

00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.680
 Is condemnation available to the Parks Department for acquiring land?

00:49:06.680 --> 00:49:17.960
 I guess it's an opportunity, but I don't think that's something that we'd want to consider.

00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:26.600
 Sorry, you mentioned the trails and connectivity and that sort of thing several times.

00:49:26.600 --> 00:49:36.960
 I noticed on the county long-term plan that they had identified some sort of a co-easement

00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:41.320
 trail along the Union Pacific Railroad that would go under 35E.

00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.840
 Is that something you're looking at and would that require additional purchases from the

00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.640
 Parks Department or is that something that would be handled by other departments?

00:49:49.640 --> 00:49:58.880
 So let me see if I can turn this on, giving me fits here.

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:06.880
 So we are, this is all conceptual at this point in time.

00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:31.920
 If I can find it, city trails, trails to trails, potential trails, here it is.

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.400
 So this is that trail that you're talking about.

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:42.340
 I was actually talking about the southern portion of that if you continue down the railway

00:50:42.340 --> 00:50:43.520
 to connect.

00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:46.240
 Oh, going this way down 377.

00:50:46.240 --> 00:50:48.280
 And between those two pieces, right?

00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:53.280
 Right now there's a pretty heavily densely populated area between Fort Worth and Dallas

00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.640
 Drive that has that railway going straight through it and it could be interesting if

00:50:59.640 --> 00:51:02.120
 that could get you under 35 to be able to.

00:51:02.120 --> 00:51:04.120
 So you're talking right here?

00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:05.120
 Yeah.

00:51:05.120 --> 00:51:06.120
 Yeah.

00:51:06.120 --> 00:51:07.120
 We can look at that.

00:51:07.120 --> 00:51:08.680
 I haven't explored that.

00:51:08.680 --> 00:51:14.640
 We've looked at Mingo as a way to get from downtown up to Clear Creek which would basically

00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:22.160
 get you from Dallas to downtown Denton to Lake Ray Roberts and then along the Katy Trail

00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:25.440
 or the DCTA corridor.

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:31.000
 But some of these is Bonnie Bray and how we could connect Bonnie Bray from Discovery Center

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.680
 all the way down to the new Southwest Park.

00:51:34.680 --> 00:51:37.080
 And then I can also turn on the bike layers.

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:43.520
 It has the bike, the road, trails for bikes and we can also use that as some connectivity

00:51:43.520 --> 00:51:44.520
 opportunities.

00:51:44.520 --> 00:51:45.520
 Okay.

00:51:45.520 --> 00:51:49.560
 Yeah, I was just thinking of it in context of there's already a 35-B overpass over that

00:51:49.560 --> 00:51:50.560
 railway, right?

00:51:50.560 --> 00:51:55.840
 And so if there's enough easement or can be some fencing so that we could safely have

00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.120
 a pedestrian bicycle connection under there, that would give an opportunity.

00:52:00.120 --> 00:52:09.840
 There's also some significant electrical easement and lines over there rendering that property

00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:10.840
 really not...

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:19.120
 Yeah, that's another good way to try to get accesses through existing utility easements.

00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:21.000
 Okay.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.640
 Any other questions or comments?

00:52:23.640 --> 00:52:25.440
 All right.

00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:26.440
 Thank you, Gary.

00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:27.440
 Thank you.

00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:28.440
 Very informative.

00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:43.920
 Next, we'll talk about sidewalks and street lights and the question is, for the group,

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:51.360
 do we want to table that for next week or are there any questions that you'd like to

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:57.160
 at least offer up now that David can capture and then be prepared next week to respond

00:52:57.160 --> 00:52:58.160
 to?

00:52:58.160 --> 00:52:59.160
 For lighting.

00:52:59.160 --> 00:53:00.160
 Pardon me?

00:53:00.160 --> 00:53:01.160
 For lighting.

00:53:01.160 --> 00:53:02.160
 For lighting and sidewalks, yes.

00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:03.160
 Something that we can ask staff to go research?

00:53:03.160 --> 00:53:04.160
 Right.

00:53:04.160 --> 00:53:05.160
 Yes.

00:53:05.160 --> 00:53:18.440
 I would like to know the lighting on Mayhill.

00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.560
 I'd like to see the lighting on Mayhill.

00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:21.560
 Okay.

00:53:21.560 --> 00:53:28.920
 I would like to know the crime stats for accidents, of course, after hours more than during the

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:30.360
 working day.

00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.400
 For just Mayhill or all of them?

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.400
 For right now.

00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:34.400
 Okay.

00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:39.160
 Right now until we have a list of the priorities that have been set forth for lighting.

00:53:39.160 --> 00:53:40.160
 Okay.

00:53:40.160 --> 00:53:42.240
 Does that make sense to you, David?

00:53:42.240 --> 00:53:43.240
 Sure.

00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:44.240
 We need to incorporate that.

00:53:44.240 --> 00:53:45.240
 All right.

00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:49.040
 Any other questions?

00:53:49.040 --> 00:53:54.480
 So if everyone's in agreement, we'll table any other discussion on sidewalks and lighting

00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.480
 until next week.

00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:56.480
 All right.

00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:57.480
 All right.

00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:58.480
 Very good.

00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:59.480
 Thank you.

00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:00.480
 All right.

00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:10.160
 Well, I think are there any other comments, questions, concerns that we need to discuss?

00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:17.800
 Pat, just a question that I'm not as experienced about how these things go, but given the schedule

00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:25.240
 that was shared about the need potentially for going back to council to get an amended

00:54:25.240 --> 00:54:30.560
 art policy within the next two weeks, does it make sense to spend a little bit of time

00:54:30.560 --> 00:54:35.640
 sharing some opinions on that so that we know if we need to address that in the next couple

00:54:35.640 --> 00:54:36.640
 weeks?

00:54:36.640 --> 00:54:37.640
 Sure.

00:54:37.640 --> 00:54:38.640
 We could do that.

00:54:38.640 --> 00:54:44.000
 I think it'd be more helpful to put that on the agenda for next week so everyone has an

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.840
 equal opportunity to come prepared to do that.

00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:47.840
 Sounds great.

00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:48.840
 Thank you.

00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:49.840
 All right.

00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.760
 We can definitely put public art on next week, and I'll just use that as an opportunity

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.400
 to say a thought process right now for next week would be public art, talk about streets

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:03.080
 and street lighting and sidewalks, and then also use that opportunity to any of the outstanding

00:55:03.080 --> 00:55:07.880
 questions that we've had from any of the presentations from Public Safety or from the streets, either

00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.960
 through memo or through maybe a revised presentation, just bring those back as well so that hopefully

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:17.560
 by next week we get to that point where we've looked at everything that is being presented

00:55:17.560 --> 00:55:23.200
 so far, and then use the following meetings as more follow-up, and then pointing to July,

00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:27.880
 start scheduling some public meetings where we invite the public to give comment.

00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:33.120
 So David, in the first meeting we asked for a list of the areas being considered for street

00:55:33.120 --> 00:55:35.680
 lights and sidewalks.

00:55:35.680 --> 00:55:41.440
 Is that in this book, or so that people could go visit that on their own, does that ring

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:42.440
 a bell?

00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:43.440
 Sure.

00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:44.440
 So obviously within the presentation we gave previously you have that material where we

00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:45.440
 go into that to some degree, and then within each of the sections on the street lighting

00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:46.440
 section and the sidewalk section you're going to have some of that information as well.

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:47.440
 And we'll obviously go into more detail next week, but you'll be able to find that in the

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:48.440
 book.

00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:49.440
 Okay.

00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:50.440
 Janet?

00:55:50.440 --> 00:56:11.440
 So we had a very interesting presentation from Parks, but I'm not sure how that relates

00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:12.440
 to the city council.

00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:13.440
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00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:14.440
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00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.440
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00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:25.440
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00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:26.440
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00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:27.440
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00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:49.480
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00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:36.480
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00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:41.480
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00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:47.480
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00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:50.480
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00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:53.480
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00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.480
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00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:56.480
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00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:57.480
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00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:58.480
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00:57:58.480 --> 00:57:59.480
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00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:12.480
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00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.480
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00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.480
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00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:15.480
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00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.480
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00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:17.480
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00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:18.480
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00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:19.480
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00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:20.480
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00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.480
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00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:22.480
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00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:24.480
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00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:25.480
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00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:26.480
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00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:29.480
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00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:30.480
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00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:31.480
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00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:32.480
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00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:33.480
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00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:34.480
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00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:35.480
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00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:36.480
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00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.480
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00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:38.480
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00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:39.480
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00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:40.480
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00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:41.480
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00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:42.480
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00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:43.480
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00:58:43.480 --> 00:59:04.480
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00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.480
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00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:06.480
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00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:07.480
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00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:08.480
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00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:09.480
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00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:10.480
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00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:11.480
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00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.480
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00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.480
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00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:14.480
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00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:15.480
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00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:16.480
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00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:17.480
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00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.480
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00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.480
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00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:20.480
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00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:21.480
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00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.480
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00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.480
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00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:24.480
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00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:25.480
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00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:26.480
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00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:27.480
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00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:46.480
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00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:47.480
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00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:48.480
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00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:49.480
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00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:50.480
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00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:51.480
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00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:52.480
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00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:53.480
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00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:54.480
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00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.480
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00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:56.480
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00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:57.480
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00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:58.480
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00:59:58.480 --> 00:59:59.480
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00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:00.480
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01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:23.360
 When you go and repair streets, concrete streets, and you tear up the curves, I've seen some

01:08:23.360 --> 01:08:29.920
 where they replace the concrete curves with black asphalt.

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:30.920
 Like Hillcrest, as an example.

01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:31.920
 Do you have plans to come back and put the concrete there, or is that a temporary or

01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.920
 a permanent?

01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:33.920
 What's going on there?

01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.920
 It's generally meant to be temporary, but I will definitely defer that one to Todd and

01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:35.920
 I'll come back and do that next week with the rash allies for that.

01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:36.920
 Typically, you'll replace it in kind.

01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:46.880
 The other thing that you're seeing neighborhoods ask about the sidewalk question is lately staffs

01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:55.040
 had a couple projects where they're designing very small like lifts on the road in lieu

01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:58.360
 of the curb and gutter to hold the roads in place a little bit more.

01:08:58.360 --> 01:09:01.880
 That's another thing that's starting to pop up more and more in the engineering just to

01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.040
 give that road a little more structural integrity.

01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:09.040
 But the sidewalk issue, while a lot of people like having those around, their neighborhoods

01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.000
 want nothing to do with them.

01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.640
 So we will tend to work with them on what they want.

01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:23.240
 So do we need to like on some of the neighborhoods that do want sidewalks, do we need to get

01:09:23.240 --> 01:09:25.760
 a list of the owners?

01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:26.760
 Yeah.

01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:31.040
 We'll typically go in and we'll do the pre-designed meetings and where we can get those sidewalks

01:09:31.040 --> 01:09:33.840
 slid in if we know where they are and we've got petitions.

01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:37.360
 That's what really helps us is when we have a neighborhood come to us with a petition

01:09:37.360 --> 01:09:42.080
 saying we know that we're on the road list, we'd like a sidewalk in place, we just need

01:09:42.080 --> 01:09:45.000
 to get those so we can budget them in as soon as we can.

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:51.200
 We always try to accommodate those neighborhoods that do that.

01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:53.200
 Any other questions?

01:09:53.200 --> 01:09:54.760
 All right.

01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.240
 Can I take a motion for adjournment?

01:09:57.240 --> 01:09:58.960
 So moved.

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:00.960
 All right.

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:13.800
 Do you get that Madam Secretary, Patty, and then Diana.

01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:17.320
 All right.

01:10:17.320 --> 01:10:18.320
 Have a good evening.

01:10:18.320 --> 01:10:18.320
 Thank you.