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 Good evening, welcome to the June 21st Special Citizens Bond Advisory Committee, 20th, thank

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 It's 6 p.m. and our first agenda item is consideration of the minutes for June 6th.

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 So any questions or comments on those meeting minutes?

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 Alright, would someone like to make a motion to approve?

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 Okay, Janet, thank you.

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 Second.

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 Second, Susan.

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 Any other discussion?

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 Alright, all in favor of approving the minutes as presented without amendment, say aye.

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 Aye.

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 Same sign.

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 Thank you, motion carries.

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 Next on the agenda is our discussion on the topic of public art and we'll turn that over

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 to David.

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 Great, thank you everyone for being here this evening.

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 I want to point out what you have in front of you at the table to start off with.

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 We have a binder in front of you with all of the bond materials that have been presented

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 thus far and also kind of individual sheets on each one of the projects from streets to

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 sidewalks to public safety facilities with detailed information on each one of those

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 projects, information you've heard in the presentations but now you have it kind of

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 in a form in the binder as we move forward.

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 These will be, we kind of view these as living documents so each meeting that you come to

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 will give you the presentations to include in those in the binders, the financial information

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 as it gets updated will update those tabs as well so really just a good resource for

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 you all to keep everything together.

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 I'd like to thank our public affairs staff, our city manager's office staff, reprographic

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 staff on really working hard to get those binders ready for everyone.

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 Also on the two presentations we'll have tonight, just sent out a couple hours before the meeting

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 some revised presentations and you have those in front of you as well.

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 As we go through the public art presentation there's only one slide that's different.

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 We just added a slide with some comparisons that we'll get to here momentarily.

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 So unless there's any other questions I will get started with the public art presentation.

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 So we've been, we've been, sure.

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 So that was item D right now, item D was our sidewalks and street lighting today.

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 We've, we've, we'll get to that point but we're looking to move that to next week just

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 to answer some additional questions.

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 So we've had public art and included in our, in the 2012 and 2014 bond elections.

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 Each one was handled slightly differently so I'll go through how they were handled differently

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 but to start with just kind of a history of where we are with these, with these, these

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 pieces of public art in the bond programs.

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 In the 2012 program we had $400,000 allocated for public art and that was all within transportation

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 as that whole bond, whole bond was the transportation proposition.

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 And you can see these are fundings that we've, that we've currently allocated to some projects

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 within this bond proposition.

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 These are not, we have not spent these.

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 Some of these we haven't even started yet but at least right now we have these allocated

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 for these individual projects.

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 These all go, as we talk through this, these all go through the public art committee so

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 they can make decisions to move some of this, recommend moving some of this funding around

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 to different projects.

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 But you can, you can see what these, what the, what the intent is with having transportation

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 And I have a couple pictures I can switch, as we go through the 2012 and 2014 I'll show

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 you two or three pictures of what these look like.

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 And just to point out we have issued the entire $400,000 from that 2012 program for public

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 art.

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 In 2014 obviously we had, we had multiple propositions so we had more dollars to spend.

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 We also changed our policy, which I'll get to in the next slide, where we didn't have

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 any money allocated for streets but we did have public art in both the public safety and

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 in the parks propositions.

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 So you can see $325,000 total allocated for public safety and $180,000 total to be allocated,

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 total allocated thus far for parks, but we also have an additional $30,000 that we'll

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 be issuing next year as we close out the 2014 bond program completely with our final bond

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 issuance.

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 $30,000 of that bond issuance will be for public art.

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 So one of the big pieces here in the public safety was the 9/11 Memorial Bell Tower, which

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 again, as that was a public safety, in the public safety proposition all these dollars

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 They did not have to be spent on a project within the bond, but it did have to be spent

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 in the world of public safety essentially.

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 I'll quickly just flip over and show you some of these pictures from the past.

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 There's the 9/11 Memorial Bell Tower.

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 Here's one of the medallions that's out there on the streets and then another piece right

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 I'll go forward and talk a little bit about the policy, but these are for reference and

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 I can definitely answer any additional questions as we talk through this.

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 So the difference that you saw in the 2012 and 2014 bond programs as far as the funding

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 that was available was really due to a change in our public art policy in 2013 ahead of

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 the 2014 bond election.

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 At that time, the city made a decision to essentially only have 2% to 4% now in the

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 policy, 2% at the time, of vertical construction go to public art, whereas in 2012, it was

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 the entire cost of the bond program and that was a streets bond, so there was no vertical

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 But in the 2014 program, and which is still our current policy, it only relates to essentially

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 vertical construction, does not relate to streets cost.

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 So as we look to the 2019 program, the only dollars that would be allocated in our current

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 policy would be those dollars related to the public safety facilities.

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 It would not have any percentage off of the streets proposition.

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 Another piece, as you saw in 2012 and '14, those percentages for public art stayed in

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 the proposition that the dollars came from.

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 went through the art committee and we looked for projects for those funds, they had to

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 There is an option within our current policy that we could create a third proposition or

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 fourth proposition that's just public art, and you could take that total if you say you

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 want it to be 2%, take that total amount and have it be its own proposition.

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 But if we went that route, that would mean that the voters would vote on that proposition

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 It is an option.

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 As we go through some comparisons, you'll see there is at least one city in the comparisons

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 that chose to do it that way, but just want to make sure we lay out all the options for

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 Obviously, the benefit of doing that would be you have more options to spend the dollars

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 So here's a new slide, and this is just kind of a quick analysis of some of these cities

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 that we know have had bond elections recently and that we view as comparison cities to show

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 that public art really ranges quite different from city to city, you can really go a lot

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 of different directions with it.

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 In Frisco, they have 1% to 2% of funding, but it's not necessarily for the entire proposition.

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 They really go project by project, and they say if we're going to go 1% on this project,

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 then we'll spend it with the project itself.

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 bond program, where they said we're going to do 2% of our total without land acquisition,

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 take that amount, put it in a bond proposition, and then the voters end up voting for the

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 Then those dollars became available more wide-ranging.

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 programs.

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 They allocate other funding sources for their public art program.

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 You can see some options here with Dallas and Fort Worth.

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 Dallas does a 1.5% of project funding, but those are within each proposition, and then

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 their funding has to be near the site of the project that the funding was allocated to.

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 In Fort Worth, 2%, and it's within each proposition, similar to how we've done in the past couple.

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 I have not seen any in the comparisons I've looked at, but we can definitely keep looking

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 and trying to find what would be ... It would be interesting.

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 I don't know how frequent that happens, but we'll keep searching and see if we see one

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 Here are the options that we have right now.

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 Based on the charge from the committee, from the council to the committee, the charge was

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 to consider our public art funding at 2% or less, less than vertical construction as laid

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 Here's an estimate of what that would be for our ... Just looking at our public facilities

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 portion would be about $900,000, and that would, if we kept it in public safety, obviously

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 only could be used for public safety projects.

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 Public art policy does allow, as I mentioned, the standalone bond proposition, so based on

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 the charge, it's set to follow the policy, so that does remain an option in the charge

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 that was given to the committee.

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 As we talk through this with city council, they were open to the committee talking this

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 I will say with that option, we would want to move fairly quickly on something like that

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 so that we can get a new policy in place before we get to the end of July, and we're making

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 that recommendation to council, but that is something the council was open to, of coming

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 used along with projects that are similar in nature, is that correct?

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 Projects that would fall, so if it's public safety facilities, it would just need to be

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 at a public safety facility.

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 If it was the committee's desire to offer public art funding for projects that were

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 not necessarily earmarked for that particular use, but could be used for other ways in the

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 city, would that have to be a third bond proposition then?

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 That would have to be a separate proposition.

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 That would allow that flexibility.

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 I was trying to figure out who picks out the art.

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 We have a public art committee, which ultimately they'll be the ones who recommend what we

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 They meet regularly, and options are presented to them, or they suggest things that they'd

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 like to see, and then they'll make those recommendations on what they want to move forward with.

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 They really are driven by the public art policy and how the ordinance had created the committee,

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 and present, "Hey, I really feel like," or the public can actually ...

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 Gary Packin, Director of Parks and Recreation, here this evening to talk to you about parkland

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 The presentation agenda, obviously we're here for consideration of a potential bond program

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 for land acquisition for future park space.

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 We're going to go over some reasons for land acquisition for the Parks Department, discuss

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 available resources that we currently have and that are available to us, provide a prioritized

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 list of real estate considerations and what we look at when we're looking for land, as

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 Some reasons for land acquisition, obviously, is for future parkland, preserve open space

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 and tree canopy, and connectivity of our trails and city assets, schools, public spaces.

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 A combination of some of those or all of the above could be included.

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 Some current acquisition mechanisms we have, we have a 2014 bond program, we have a little

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 A tree mitigation fund, it's a $2.2 million is our last balance.

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 an urban tree plan at the direction of council from last November to go through that and

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 see how the recommendations are, how that's going to be used.

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 So it can be used for land purchases.

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 Land acquisition fund, which we call our 915 fund, that's part of our land development

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 and acquisition ordinance, and that is funding that comes in from development for land purchase

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 where a developer can either give us land or give us fee in lieu of, and they can give

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 us funding that we can go out and use that to buy land.

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 The downside of that is that it's sprinkled all over the city.

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 There's not lump sums.

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 So it could be more of a supplement or an assistance to a larger purchase.

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 Obviously, partnerships with development schools and businesses are an opportunity as well.

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 We have two park projects that are working through development.

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 One at Razor Ranch and one in South Denton, which is currently called Patrick Park, where

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 the development is going on and they're providing land and developing the park for us.

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 So that's another way to acquire land.

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 Obviously, a donation.

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 We're working through one land donation right now in southeast Denton.

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 Advancement or conservation easements is an opportunity, and then just a general lease

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 of property for park space.

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 So over the past, I guess, six, seven months, we've been working a lot on trying to get

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 a number of things assembled for our department.

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 I had mentioned earlier that we're working on our urban forest plan at direction of council.

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 That's going to give us some groundwork on how we plan to enhance and maintain our urban

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 tree canopy, but as well as how we can get some guidance on using the tree mitigation

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 Our parks master plan is really the foundation for our entire park system that typically

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 is renewed every five years and completely redeveloped every 10.

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 It was updated in 2009, so we're going through a complete overhaul of our master plan, and

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 part of that is looking at land acquisition and land needs.

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 Adoption of a 10-minute walk.

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 This is really kind of the foundation of how we're identifying where we need land.

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 NRPA, National Parks and Recreation Association and Trust for Public Lands, launched this

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 in 2017, and this is a tool that's aiming towards getting park space within a 10-minute

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 walk of every resident in the United States or a half mile.

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 So that's how we're identifying where our population is and where we're a void of park

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 space and that connectivity.

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 In March, we started identifying potential park property, and we continue to do this,

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 and assembling that and going through a process that we created this spring as well, and we're

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 calling it a Parks Property Algorithm, and how we go through, we evaluate, we have a

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 scorecard for each property, and then we rank those based on various considerations.

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 So we can kind of figure out what's the higher priority for us.

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 A 10-minute walk, obviously, is a major one of those, Urban Tree Canopy is, and I have

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 a slide I'll show you about that here in a little bit.

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 And then we're currently going through a complete rewrite of our park land acquisition and development

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 ordinance that was written in 1998, has not been updated.

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 That is where the developers pay for park land and development, where they donate that

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 land and build the park for us.

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 Again, that hasn't been touched since 1998, so it's outdated, and it's really 1988 values

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 as well.

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 So we're pretty underserved in regards to the return on investment that we're getting

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 from that.

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 Overview of the city, I'm going to jump out of here and go into a GIS program that we

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 have, just to kind of give you an idea of how we're looking at this, and then I'll

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 get into some more details.

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 So this is obviously the city, green is park property, and purple is city property.

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 And when we turn on our 10-minute walk, you can see where we have that half-mile radius

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 around each park property, and where we're void of those parks.

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 Now you can see there's city land here, that doesn't count because it's not park land.

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 You can partner with private organizations that have public parks, HOAs can be accessible

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 if you have a shared-use agreement, as well as schools.

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 So we're developing a list of potential opportunities we have there.

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 But this just gives you a general sense in regards to where our parks are and where those

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 voids are.

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 You can see where neighborhoods are underserved.

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 And then also, I can turn on where there's development going on, and this is through

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 our development services group, where these yellow boxes are where some forms of development

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 are happening in the city.

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 So you can see there's a lot of yellow boxes here, and these are various forms, whether

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 it's construction of new buildings, renovations, anybody that's pulled a permit, or that's

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 under evaluation right now.

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 So we use this tool here, as well as to identify where there's developments that are coming

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 that are going to have to be paying into our park land development fund, where there's

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 potential resources coming, and where we may be able to get park land in partnership with

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 that development.

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 So, our service areas.

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 This is the impact areas for our street impact fees, and we're proposing to use the same

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 zones for our new ordinance that's being written.

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 So what we've done the next couple slides is we've narrowed down to each zone and provided

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 some additional details in regards to what type of activity from park space is in that

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 area, population, and some analysis according to that.

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 I'm going to jump back to the presentation here, and we can jump back to this if you

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 have any questions.

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 So these are the zones that we just showed you.

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 So zone A, and this is the southwest denton on the west side of 35.

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 It's 100 coal ranches are at major portions of that space, as well as the ropes and area.

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 There's 3,500 residents there, so it's very small.

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 There's significant land needs as development would, future would occur.

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 We currently have 17 acres.

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 There's two parcels down there.

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 They are undeveloped at this time.

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 So when you figure out the numbers, that's 4.7 acres per thousand residents.

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 That's below the standard for NRPA, and there's significant trail opportunities.

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 Obviously, with future development going over there, we have an opportunity to start fresh

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 and tie into our current trail system.

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 Gary, do you take into consideration any of the areas with the end ropes and ranch proper

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 that are park-like?

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 They would have to be joint.

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 The 27 holes?

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 Just asking.

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 Yes and no.

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 From a master plan standpoint, we would consider that, but those are private parks, and the

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 general public does not have access to that.

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 If we could get a joint use agreement for use of their pickleball courts on a regular

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 basis where the public can come and go, then that would be considered as part of our 10

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 minute walk.

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 So from a 10 minute walk standpoint, obviously, this is poor.

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 We don't have any trails out there.

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 There isn't a lot of residents, but from that standpoint, that's poor.

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 So impact zone B, and this is east of 35W, south of 35E, there's population is 42,000.

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 We're getting feedback from this area of the community that they want more.

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 At 35, the highway is really a barrier for access going north, just a mental barrier

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 and a physical barrier.

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 We do have a future southwest park, which is planned right in this area right here.

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 So that's 200 acres that's currently undeveloped.

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 There are no baseball fields on this side of town.

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 There's one soccer field.

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 So can you point to where Denia would be?

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 Denia is right here.

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 So we do have a rec center in this area, it's in the northern section.

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 There had been discussions, I guess, along the way once this property was purchased that

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 maybe a rec center, a future rec center, could go in that area.

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 We're going to be working on that master plan sometime later this year for that park.

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 So it's just north of Country Lake.

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 Yes, it's right by Allred and Vintage, between Allred and Vintage and Bonnie Bray.

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 So not all of the grand spaces are necessarily developed, it's just spaces that are currently

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 parkland.

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 We have nine undeveloped parks.

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 No, they're a little over.

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 So we have 636 acres.

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 With that amount of acreage in pretty much three large park areas, we're at 15.2 acres

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 and that is above the NRPA median for 1,000 residents.

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 Trail opportunity, even with the development that's going on there, there's still a significant

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 opportunity.

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 With some of the roads that are being rebuilt, we're working with other city departments

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 to make sure we include a 10-foot wide sidewalk or trail that could be shared use to get from

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 point A to point B along the roads and then try to tie in our park system at the same

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 time.

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 Is that land in the south part that's in between, or the undeveloped part, yeah, there.

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 Right here?

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 Yeah.

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 Is that available for acquisition?

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 Is there a reason they're not connected?

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 Yeah, there is.

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 Is there a creek through there?

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 This is the creek here.

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 Okay.

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 This is city property.

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 This is where the fire station is and a proposed police station.

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 And then this is park land.

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 This is privately owned at this time.

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 And they won't sell it?

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 We haven't talked to them about selling it, but that could be a discussion.

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 Are there environmental easements through there, like Hickory Creek?

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 ESAs?

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 Yeah.

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 I believe there are ESAs on the creek.

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 Yeah.

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 And they don't extend down any further, or they don't count as park land?

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 Yeah.

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 Some of this is in the floodplain where this area is not.

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 Gary, can you define what an ESA is, please?

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 Environmentally sensitive area.

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 And those don't count as park land?

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 We can have park land that is also an ESA, yes.

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 And you can have private land that is also an ESA.

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 Zone C, this is kind of the northwest Denton population, 12,585 people.

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 This is where the property, a park in Razor Ranch, is currently being developed.

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 We do, again, have still a significant need for land.

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 And while it's still low, potential future development in that area.

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 We do have 444 acres.

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 Most of that is North Lakes Park.

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 And that puts us at 35.29 acres, way above the NRPA median at that point for 1,000 residents.

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 A trail opportunity.

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 We haven't done enough research in that area, but I still think there's a tremendous opportunity

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 there.

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 We just haven't kind of forecasted that.

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 And then the 10-minute walk, we consider to be poor.

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 And the park going in Razor Ranch now is not on there, correct?

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 It's not on here yet.

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 It's located right up, right here, right at the tip of the arrow.

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 It's just shy of 10 acres.

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 And it's located in the middle of apartment complex, mixed-use development, right there

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 by Albertsons.

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 And that's McKenna Park?

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 McKenna Park is the square, yeah, right here.

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 And this is Bonnie Bray.

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 Some of that area is not residential.

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 It's not going to be residential.

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 It's zoned, partial or industrial.

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 So, there's not, we're not looking at that piece of gray and saying, okay, all that's

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 going to be houses or apartments.

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 There's a number of apartments around it, and then there's some residential too, between

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 the park and Bonnie Bray, and everything primarily to the west is the commercial space.

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 Zone D, this is kind of northeast Denton, population a little less than 17,000.

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 We have identified a number of opportunities for trails in this area.

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 From a rec center standpoint, there is not a rec center.

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 We are, as part of our master plan, looking if we could not maybe add on to an auditorium

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 in the future and make that a rec center as well as opposed to just a swim facility.

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 So that's an opportunity for consideration for the community.

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 There's no dedicated athletic space other than the competitive pool.

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 We do have 65 acres there, 3.89, that is below the NRPA standard.

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 A trail opportunity, again, we've identified a number of opportunities for trails up there,

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 especially as roads are developed.

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 And then from a 10-minute walk, with most of our parks in the lower left quadrant of

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 that sector, we consider that poor as well.

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 So that's Nevy Schultz and Avondale there in the bottom?

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 Right in here.

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 And this is Cooper Creek.

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 Right.

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 And what's the pink and yellow?

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 This pink here?

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 This is the city limits, and this is the ETJ.

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 We're concerned with parkland in the ETJ, or are we?

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 Eventually, that will be turned over to the city.

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 That will become city land in 2021?

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 It's not right now.

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 It's not right now?

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 They all have different timeframes.

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 Different timeframes?

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00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,560
 Okay.

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 Is the ETJ playing into our calculations of acres per whatever?

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 Right now, our formula, I believe, is just pulling off of the city, not the ETJ.

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 Okay.

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 That's a good question.

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 I need to double-check that.

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 What's the purple right now?

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 It's a city on them, but is there anything there, or is it just land?

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 So this piece right here?

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 This property was purchased for a future wastewater treatment plant.

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 I think currently, they decided that that's not needed, that there's going to be a pump

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 station there.

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 So that, we have had some discussions with the wastewater department utilities about

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 potentially putting some park space in there.

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 Some of the smaller ones are substations for DME.

471
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,240
 Yeah.

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 Various city land.

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 Cooper Creek Trail?

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,240
 Yeah.

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 No.

476
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,240
 Sorry.

477
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,240
 Clear Creek.

478
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,240
 Thank you very much.

479
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,240
 Yeah.

480
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,320
 Clear Creek is basically all of this right here.

481
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,320
 Okay.

482
00:31:52,320 --> 00:32:03,160
 And I can jump on the map and show you that.

483
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:09,240
 And that isn't included in the city parks because that's core property, right?

484
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,240
 It is core property.

485
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,840
 It's managed by our environmental group.

486
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,920
 We are not including that in some of our details because 2,000 acres of wood is raised, 25

487
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,920
 acres.

488
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,920
 It throws our numbers way off.

489
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,000
 It creates a little bit of confusion numerically.

490
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,280
 So we don't include that in our neighborhood parks, our general park system.

491
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,240
 So you have a committee for this?

492
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,600
 For land acquisition?

493
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,600
 Yes.

494
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,960
 Well, anything that we buy, we would work with parks department or parks board as well

495
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,960
 as city council.

496
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,960
 Okay.

497
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:48,000
 For eventual approval.

498
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,420
 And then zone E, this is obviously the area that we're in right now.

499
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:57,760
 It's the most densely populated, 63,000 people.

500
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,960
 As we're doing our master plan, we have North Lakes and South Lakes and then eventually

501
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,440
 Southwest Park.

502
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,120
 And we're considering those based on their size as city parks.

503
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,680
 And so we're looking at potentially an East and West Lakes Park.

504
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:18,040
 So we kind of have a ring of city parks and those are typically 100 acres or more that

505
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200
 would have more services in them.

506
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
 So this is a potential location for that.

507
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,880
 We do have 183 acres in this zone.

508
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:33,620
 They're fairly smaller size parks at 2.87 acres, which is well below the median based

509
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,600
 on the population and the density.

510
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,620
 Again, trail opportunity with the number of small parks.

511
00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:44,280
 We have plotted out some locations for connectivity, which I'll show you here in a second for trails

512
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280
 in the future.

513
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,400
 And then our 10 minute walk to consider this good.

514
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,460
 Gary, sorry, can you orient us?

515
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:54,240
 So this is Quaker Town right here.

516
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240
 This is where we're at.

517
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,500
 Anything on the far left is McKenna?

518
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,080
 This is McKenna.

519
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,560
 This is Mack Park over here.

520
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:17,360
 And this is the landfill to give you an idea of the giant purple wall.

521
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,080
 And I just mentioned about connectivity.

522
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,040
 This was one of the first areas that we started to research and we're calling it Pecan Creek

523
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:32,720
 Linear Trail where we're taking and we're following the creek itself in many areas and

524
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:40,120
 we're trying to connect city assets, future development, city property, city parks, and

525
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,360
 then eventually maybe even the Army Corps of Engineers property.

526
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,840
 So to give you an idea, this is Fredmore Park here.

527
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,800
 The Katy Trail runs parallel kind of up into this area here.

528
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:56,200
 We could go from the Katy Trail through Fredmore across the street, through some city property

529
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,240
 here across the drainage creek into Carl Young.

530
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:08,560
 This purple is the county jail property, working to get an easement potentially from them.

531
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,960
 Into city property, we have to get across Woodrow and then into this property, which

532
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,080
 is city property, and then eventually a development that we've had discussions to that would connect

533
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,480
 all of that as well as to Mack and those parcels.

534
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,420
 And then take us over to Pebblebrook Creek, which is a city undeveloped area.

535
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:29,680
 And then this is the landfill.

536
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,720
 So we'd work our way probably on the north side of the creek, of the landfill, and then

537
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:39,960
 that connects into the Army Corps of Engineers so that could take us down to the lake.

538
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,920
 So we would have a trail eventually in some form or fashion.

539
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,920
 It's a long-term plan.

540
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,480
 How many miles would that be?

541
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,720
 I haven't measured that yet because it would be obviously a guesstimate, but we haven't

542
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:52,780
 done that yet.

543
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:57,900
 So we're looking at areas like this throughout the city, whether it's adjacent to the street

544
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:05,600
 on a 10-foot trail or completely off-road along creeks, which is an easier path because

545
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,900
 typically it's in the floodplain and you can't develop there.

546
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:12,280
 So it gives us that opportunity to put a trail through there.

547
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,100
 So some of the considerations when we're looking at land, we have 18, 20 different ones here.

548
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:21,400
 Our three main ones right now are our 10-minute walk that allows us to identify where we have

549
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,500
 vacancies and we're underserving our tree canopy and trying to preserve our trees.

550
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,080
 And then connectivity of our assets.

551
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,360
 There's other things, whether it's culture or history, wildlife, habitat, corridors,

552
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:40,720
 the location itself, how can we assist economic development, stormwater management.

553
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:45,140
 Funding sources obviously help drive that where we may have 915 money, helps identify

554
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:47,720
 that because that's kind of landlocked funding.

555
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:53,720
 The quality and species of trees, underserved areas, and then any way we can achieve any

556
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,720
 other city goal.

557
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:59,240
 Quality costs and beautification are major factors as well and it could be something

558
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,760
 that's waterfront, could be lakefront, it could be topography where there's some undulation

559
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,860
 in the land where it's unique features for the city are all factors that we look at.

560
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:15,400
 So we started this back in the spring and we really didn't have a way to look at land

561
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,760
 and figure out how we feel it's better than another piece of land, other than just kind

562
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480
 of a gut feeling.

563
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,300
 So we created all those considerations and created a scorecard.

564
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:33,640
 So we have a little evaluation sheet we go through and we score each parcel in regards

565
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:41,400
 to its tree canopy, its location, its cost, its unique features, all of that.

566
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,160
 And then we look at DCAD value, its DCAD value per acre, its total acre opportunity, the

567
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,720
 percent of trees on the property, if we can have open space as well as preserved trees,

568
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:57,840
 uniqueness of those trees, 10 minute walk and those other sources and we figure out

569
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,080
 how we're going to rank those and we prioritize those.

570
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,880
 So what we did with this scenario is we had a list of 35, 40 properties, we went through

571
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,240
 and scored them and then we highlighted the top, I think it was the top 10, what you see

572
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,680
 in green and then we added all the top 10s together just to kind of see what would surface

573
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,880
 to the top, kind of what was the cream of the crop to identify where we may want to

574
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,080
 look at land.

575
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,160
 So that's how we kind of came up with a prioritization process.

576
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,520
 It's not perfect but it's better than what we had before which was really nothing.

577
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,940
 It was just kind of a gut feeling.

578
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:38,480
 So at least this gave us some direction on how to focus our time and prioritize how we're

579
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,740
 going to approach future land acquisition.

580
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:45,640
 So I have two slides here.

581
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:52,600
 Our PA has what they call park metrics and parks and recreation departments across the

582
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,800
 country submit all their demographics, all their budgets, their park land, all their

583
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,400
 features and the assets they have so they can use all the information and then share

584
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,640
 it amongst everybody so you can kind of see how you can pair and rank with other departments

585
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:14,920
 of similar size, demographics, land, government entity, etc.

586
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,840
 And so we've been working on analyzing that for this process.

587
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,400
 And the one thing that we've looked at is our developed and undeveloped land which from

588
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:34,480
 a park standpoint we have basically 1500 acres that does not include the 2500 at Clear Creek.

589
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,120
 It does not include right-of-ways and medians as well.

590
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:46,560
 So we first looked at our population of cities in the country of 100,249,000.

591
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,740
 And then we took three considerations for the bond amount of $5, $10, and $15 million

592
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:56,920
 at an average cost of $80,000 an acre and obviously that can fluctuate based on time

593
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,860
 the bonds are sold to where the property is and what's going on around it.

594
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:07,000
 And that would equate to about 62 acres if we did a $5 million bond program.

595
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,000
 We currently have 14, I would say 1500 acres.

596
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,440
 Based on our current standard with a population of 136,000 people we actually have a surplus

597
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,960
 of a little over 300 acres based on this formula.

598
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:28,360
 If you look on 2025 with an average growth of 171,000 we're at 98 acres so that starts

599
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,000
 to shrink a little bit assuming we're not buying any land other than the 62 acres that

600
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120
 would be bond program.

601
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,480
 And then at 2030, our 2030 plan projects of 207,000 people.

602
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,360
 We're now at a deficit of 203 acres.

603
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,960
 Now this is the average.

604
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,840
 This is the average city in the United States based on parkland.

605
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
 That's not the upper quartile or trying to excel past that.

606
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,760
 That's just being the average as a plateau.

607
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,160
 And then the same goes on with 10 and 15 million.

608
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,500
 You can see how it progresses.

609
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,580
 So the green is positive and the red is negative scores.

610
00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:14,360
 So for the most part based off of population we're in good shape.

611
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:23,400
 This is one of nine categories that NRPA has for us to look at in regards to land and acreage.

612
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:31,760
 So what we did is we took all nine categories and figured out the average acre per thousand

613
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,040
 and we came up with the same scenario but if you look at this in 2020 we're currently

614
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,800
 40 acres in a deficit and again this is average.

615
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:48,240
 This isn't you know being in a higher quartile of municipalities.

616
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:55,840
 And in 2025 we're 377 short and 2030 we're 778 short.

617
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,200
 Again that's only accounting for no other land purchases other than the 62 acres that's

618
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,440
 shown here that would be part of that initiative.

619
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,480
 Now there's a number of ways that we could split the apple on this.

620
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,840
 If you look at this first slide in regards to the population it looks good.

621
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,840
 And this could be our metric if that's what we want to do.

622
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,740
 But we wanted to show you both options.

623
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:24,700
 Good shape here.

624
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:31,380
 This is the highest ranking category for us in regards to land and then this is the average

625
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:37,280
 of all nine of the categories and those nine categories down here are all cities, population,

626
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,800
 budget size, acres maintained, FTEs, number of parks maintained, population per square

627
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:49,320
 mile, the jurisdiction whether it's a city county or a private park district and then

628
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,540
 region for southern or southwest U.S.

629
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:56,440
 So there's numerous ways to look at the numbers.

630
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:03,600
 And we wanted to provide kind of more than one way to kind of look at this.

631
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
 So that's the presentation.

632
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:14,520
 I'm not sure I understand this one, if we're investing $15 million why wouldn't it make

633
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,380
 a bigger dent in 2020, wasn't it supposed to be?

634
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:22,720
 This assumes that land wouldn't be purchased in 2020.

635
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:27,520
 So this category here is our current $1496.

636
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,520
 Got it.

637
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,600
 So then if we added $187.5, got it.

638
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,240
 So we're adding and then we're losing a little bit because the population is going up.

639
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:43,020
 So did you run it with one, two, three, four, five, I mean I'm wondering if there's one

640
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:49,200
 metric in there that's kicking us down low or is there anything that we.

641
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,200
 Sensitivity analysis.

642
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:56,660
 Yes, so we didn't run it for each one.

643
00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:03,000
 This one here for the population was the one that we were the best in and that's why you

644
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,760
 see a lot of that green.

645
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:11,400
 The other ones were five acres off per thousand so that's dragging us down a little bit when

646
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,000
 you look at that category.

647
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,360
 But ultimately we just need to figure out what's the category we really want to classify

648
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,160
 ourselves at and we thought this one was kind of one of the better ones.

649
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,160
 Gary, Diana?

650
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,160
 Hi.

651
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:34,580
 Do we have an overlay of the development plan and the little green spaces?

652
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:35,580
 We do actually.

653
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:40,120
 I can jump back to this.

654
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:48,440
 So let me turn some things off here.

655
00:44:48,440 --> 00:45:00,040
 Okay, so again I'll make this a little bit bigger, I'll zoom in here in a second.

656
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,320
 The green is parks and the purple is city.

657
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,240
 When you turn into what we did is we took the map that development services has that

658
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,760
 has all of their projects that are in the works whether it's permitting, construction,

659
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:20,400
 whatever that is and we overlaid that so that's the yellow that you're seeing.

660
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:30,200
 Those are various forms of development consideration.

661
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:38,460
 So that gives you an idea of kind of what's going on in the city.

662
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:39,460
 Sure.

663
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:44,960
 The wildlife person is going to ask this question, right?

664
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,160
 Is there an overlay that shows where the ESA's are?

665
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,760
 Have they been identified?

666
00:45:52,760 --> 00:46:00,040
 We do have, I don't have the ESA overlay on this but we can put that together.

667
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,040
 Okay.

668
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,320
 That is available on the city's website too.

669
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,320
 There's an interactive map that's online.

670
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,320
 Awesome.

671
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,320
 Okay.

672
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:18,600
 Have we thought about partnering with, I was the one with the Veterans Village, we partnered

673
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,160
 with UNT with that one.

674
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:28,520
 Is there the possibility of partnering with them, they own a lot of land?

675
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,520
 UNT?

676
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,600
 There's, whether it's a school or a university or a private sector that has land that's not

677
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,680
 going to be developed that maybe is underutilized, we could definitely approach that for consideration

678
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:48,120
 especially if there's an area that we need to put a creek or a trail through an area

679
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,120
 that's on a linear trail.

680
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:56,160
 We could get an easement from them to help us go through there so there's more than one

681
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:03,440
 way to peel the orange I guess, and we're trying to utilize all those opportunities

682
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,960
 to build our park system.

683
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:13,160
 One last, the wildlife corridors, are we anticipating them going under or somehow going west to

684
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,240
 east or are we only looking at north-south?

685
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:24,800
 Well the interstates are big challenges.

686
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,480
 And that's going to take a little more work.

687
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,880
 We're trying to figure out how to put trails across those or underneath those when roads

688
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,000
 are built.

689
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:41,280
 There are one or two, I know there's one area on 35W that is a Corbin, could be an opportunity

690
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,700
 to get underneath there for trail connectivity.

691
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:50,040
 Everything else is more or less along the roadside.

692
00:47:50,040 --> 00:48:00,200
 On the 9/15 funding, I think that may have come out of the dog park discussion, so if

693
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,760
 you get money from the developer, how far away can you spend the money distance-wise?

694
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,720
 It starts out at a half mile and it can go up to a mile.

695
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:18,320
 I can turn on, so one of the things we worked on this past year is identifying where that

696
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,960
 funding is exactly located.

697
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:33,320
 So all the blue dots are where our 9/15 funding is, where that's available for land acquisition.

698
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,880
 So you're really limited on that space.

699
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,920
 When we go through the redevelopment of the ordinance, we're hoping to switch to the

700
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,200
 quadrants that we showed earlier so that money can be spent in one of those five geographic

701
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,480
 locations that now open up a little more flexibility with funding.

702
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:59,320
 But we still have some work to do on that.

703
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,800
 Any other questions?

704
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,680
 Is condemnation available to the Parks Department for acquiring land?

705
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:17,960
 I guess it's an opportunity, but I don't think that's something that we'd want to consider.

706
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:26,600
 Sorry, you mentioned the trails and connectivity and that sort of thing several times.

707
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:36,960
 I noticed on the county long-term plan that they had identified some sort of a co-easement

708
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,320
 trail along the Union Pacific Railroad that would go under 35E.

709
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,840
 Is that something you're looking at and would that require additional purchases from the

710
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,640
 Parks Department or is that something that would be handled by other departments?

711
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:58,880
 So let me see if I can turn this on, giving me fits here.

712
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:06,880
 So we are, this is all conceptual at this point in time.

713
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:31,920
 If I can find it, city trails, trails to trails, potential trails, here it is.

714
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,400
 So this is that trail that you're talking about.

715
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:42,340
 I was actually talking about the southern portion of that if you continue down the railway

716
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:43,520
 to connect.

717
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,240
 Oh, going this way down 377.

718
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,280
 And between those two pieces, right?

719
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,280
 Right now there's a pretty heavily densely populated area between Fort Worth and Dallas

720
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,640
 Drive that has that railway going straight through it and it could be interesting if

721
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,120
 that could get you under 35 to be able to.

722
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,120
 So you're talking right here?

723
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,120
 Yeah.

724
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,120
 Yeah.

725
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,120
 We can look at that.

726
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,680
 I haven't explored that.

727
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:14,640
 We've looked at Mingo as a way to get from downtown up to Clear Creek which would basically

728
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:22,160
 get you from Dallas to downtown Denton to Lake Ray Roberts and then along the Katy Trail

729
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,440
 or the DCTA corridor.

730
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,000
 But some of these is Bonnie Bray and how we could connect Bonnie Bray from Discovery Center

731
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,680
 all the way down to the new Southwest Park.

732
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
 And then I can also turn on the bike layers.

733
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:43,520
 It has the bike, the road, trails for bikes and we can also use that as some connectivity

734
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,520
 opportunities.

735
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,520
 Okay.

736
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,560
 Yeah, I was just thinking of it in context of there's already a 35-B overpass over that

737
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,560
 railway, right?

738
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,840
 And so if there's enough easement or can be some fencing so that we could safely have

739
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,120
 a pedestrian bicycle connection under there, that would give an opportunity.

740
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:09,840
 There's also some significant electrical easement and lines over there rendering that property

741
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,840
 really not...

742
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:19,120
 Yeah, that's another good way to try to get accesses through existing utility easements.

743
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,000
 Okay.

744
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640
 Any other questions or comments?

745
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,440
 All right.

746
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,440
 Thank you, Gary.

747
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,440
 Thank you.

748
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,440
 Very informative.

749
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:43,920
 Next, we'll talk about sidewalks and street lights and the question is, for the group,

750
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,360
 do we want to table that for next week or are there any questions that you'd like to

751
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:57,160
 at least offer up now that David can capture and then be prepared next week to respond

752
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,160
 to?

753
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,160
 For lighting.

754
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,160
 Pardon me?

755
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,160
 For lighting.

756
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,160
 For lighting and sidewalks, yes.

757
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,160
 Something that we can ask staff to go research?

758
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,160
 Right.

759
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,160
 Yes.

760
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:18,440
 I would like to know the lighting on Mayhill.

761
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,560
 I'd like to see the lighting on Mayhill.

762
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,560
 Okay.

763
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:28,920
 I would like to know the crime stats for accidents, of course, after hours more than during the

764
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,360
 working day.

765
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,400
 For just Mayhill or all of them?

766
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,400
 For right now.

767
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,400
 Okay.

768
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,160
 Right now until we have a list of the priorities that have been set forth for lighting.

769
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,160
 Okay.

770
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,240
 Does that make sense to you, David?

771
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,240
 Sure.

772
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,240
 We need to incorporate that.

773
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,240
 All right.

774
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:49,040
 Any other questions?

775
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,480
 So if everyone's in agreement, we'll table any other discussion on sidewalks and lighting

776
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,480
 until next week.

777
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,480
 All right.

778
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,480
 All right.

779
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,480
 Very good.

780
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,480
 Thank you.

781
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,480
 All right.

782
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:10,160
 Well, I think are there any other comments, questions, concerns that we need to discuss?

783
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:17,800
 Pat, just a question that I'm not as experienced about how these things go, but given the schedule

784
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:25,240
 that was shared about the need potentially for going back to council to get an amended

785
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:30,560
 art policy within the next two weeks, does it make sense to spend a little bit of time

786
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,640
 sharing some opinions on that so that we know if we need to address that in the next couple

787
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,640
 weeks?

788
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,640
 Sure.

789
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,640
 We could do that.

790
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,000
 I think it'd be more helpful to put that on the agenda for next week so everyone has an

791
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,840
 equal opportunity to come prepared to do that.

792
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:47,840
 Sounds great.

793
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,840
 Thank you.

794
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,840
 All right.

795
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,760
 We can definitely put public art on next week, and I'll just use that as an opportunity

796
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,400
 to say a thought process right now for next week would be public art, talk about streets

797
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,080
 and street lighting and sidewalks, and then also use that opportunity to any of the outstanding

798
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,880
 questions that we've had from any of the presentations from Public Safety or from the streets, either

799
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,960
 through memo or through maybe a revised presentation, just bring those back as well so that hopefully

800
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,560
 by next week we get to that point where we've looked at everything that is being presented

801
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:23,200
 so far, and then use the following meetings as more follow-up, and then pointing to July,

802
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,880
 start scheduling some public meetings where we invite the public to give comment.

803
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,120
 So David, in the first meeting we asked for a list of the areas being considered for street

804
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
 lights and sidewalks.

805
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,440
 Is that in this book, or so that people could go visit that on their own, does that ring

806
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,440
 a bell?

807
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,440
 Sure.

808
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,440
 So obviously within the presentation we gave previously you have that material where we

809
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,440
 go into that to some degree, and then within each of the sections on the street lighting

810
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,440
 section and the sidewalk section you're going to have some of that information as well.

811
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,440
 And we'll obviously go into more detail next week, but you'll be able to find that in the

812
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,440
 book.

813
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,440
 Okay.

814
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,440
 Janet?

815
00:55:50,440 --> 00:56:11,440
 So we had a very interesting presentation from Parks, but I'm not sure how that relates

816
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,440
 to the city council.

817
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

818
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

819
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

820
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

821
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

822
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

823
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

824
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

825
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

826
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

827
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

828
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

829
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

830
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

831
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,440
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

832
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

833
00:56:49,480 --> 00:57:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

834
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:36,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

835
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

836
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

837
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

838
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

839
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

840
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

841
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

842
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

843
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

844
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

845
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

846
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

847
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

848
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

849
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

850
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

851
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:12,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

852
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

853
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

854
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

855
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

856
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

857
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

858
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

859
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

860
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

861
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

862
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

863
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

864
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

865
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

866
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

867
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

868
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

869
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

870
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

871
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

872
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

873
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

874
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

875
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

876
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:39,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

877
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:40,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

878
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

879
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

880
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

881
00:58:43,480 --> 00:59:04,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

882
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

883
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

884
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

885
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

886
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

887
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

888
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

889
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:12,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

890
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

891
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

892
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

893
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

894
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:17,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

895
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

896
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

897
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

898
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

899
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

900
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

901
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

902
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

903
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:26,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

904
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

905
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:46,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

906
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

907
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

908
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

909
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

910
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

911
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

912
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

913
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:54,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

914
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

915
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

916
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

917
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

918
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

919
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

920
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

921
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

922
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

923
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

924
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

925
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

926
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

927
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

928
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

929
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

930
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

931
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:26,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

932
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:48,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

933
01:00:48,480 --> 01:01:00,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

934
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

935
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

936
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:03,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

937
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

938
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

939
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

940
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

941
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

942
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

943
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

944
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

945
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

946
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

947
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

948
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

949
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:20,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

950
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

951
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

952
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

953
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

954
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

955
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

956
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

957
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

958
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

959
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

960
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

961
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

962
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

963
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:44,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

964
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

965
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

966
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

967
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

968
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

969
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

970
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

971
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

972
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

973
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

974
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

975
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:00,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

976
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

977
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

978
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

979
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

980
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

981
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

982
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

983
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

984
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

985
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

986
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

987
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

988
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

989
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

990
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

991
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

992
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

993
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:36,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

994
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

995
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:50,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

996
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

997
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

998
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

999
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1000
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1001
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1002
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1003
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1004
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1005
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1006
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1007
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1008
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1009
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1010
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1011
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1012
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1013
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1014
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1015
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1016
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1017
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1018
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1019
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1020
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1021
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1022
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1023
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1024
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:40,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1025
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1026
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1027
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1028
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1029
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1030
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1031
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:49,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1032
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1033
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1034
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1035
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1036
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1037
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1038
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:56,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1039
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:57,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1040
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:58,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1041
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1042
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:00,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1043
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1044
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:02,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1045
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1046
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,480
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1047
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:21,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1048
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:28,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1049
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:35,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1050
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1051
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:43,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1052
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1053
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1054
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1055
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1056
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1057
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1058
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1059
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1060
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1061
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1062
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1063
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1064
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1065
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1066
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1067
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1068
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1069
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1070
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1071
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1072
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1073
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1074
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1075
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1076
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1077
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1078
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1079
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:31,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1080
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:53,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1081
01:05:53,280 --> 01:06:12,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1082
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1083
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1084
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1085
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1086
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1087
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1088
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1089
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1090
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1091
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1092
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1093
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1094
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1095
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1096
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:27,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1097
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1098
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1099
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1100
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1101
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1102
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1103
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:34,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1104
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1105
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1106
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1107
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:52,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1108
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1109
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1110
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1111
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1112
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1113
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1114
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1115
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1116
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1117
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1118
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1119
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1120
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:05,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1121
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1122
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1123
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:08,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1124
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1125
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1126
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1127
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1128
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1129
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1130
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1131
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1132
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1133
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1134
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1135
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1136
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1137
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:37,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1138
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1139
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1140
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1141
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1142
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1143
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:43,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1144
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1145
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1146
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1147
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1148
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1149
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1150
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1151
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1152
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1153
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1154
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1155
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1156
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1157
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1158
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1159
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1160
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1161
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1162
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1163
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1164
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1165
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,280
 I'm not sure how that relates to the city council.

1166
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:23,360
 When you go and repair streets, concrete streets, and you tear up the curves, I've seen some

1167
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:29,920
 where they replace the concrete curves with black asphalt.

1168
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,920
 Like Hillcrest, as an example.

1169
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:31,920
 Do you have plans to come back and put the concrete there, or is that a temporary or

1170
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:32,920
 a permanent?

1171
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:33,920
 What's going on there?

1172
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,920
 It's generally meant to be temporary, but I will definitely defer that one to Todd and

1173
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:35,920
 I'll come back and do that next week with the rash allies for that.

1174
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,920
 Typically, you'll replace it in kind.

1175
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:46,880
 The other thing that you're seeing neighborhoods ask about the sidewalk question is lately staffs

1176
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:55,040
 had a couple projects where they're designing very small like lifts on the road in lieu

1177
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,360
 of the curb and gutter to hold the roads in place a little bit more.

1178
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,880
 That's another thing that's starting to pop up more and more in the engineering just to

1179
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,040
 give that road a little more structural integrity.

1180
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:09,040
 But the sidewalk issue, while a lot of people like having those around, their neighborhoods

1181
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,000
 want nothing to do with them.

1182
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,640
 So we will tend to work with them on what they want.

1183
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:23,240
 So do we need to like on some of the neighborhoods that do want sidewalks, do we need to get

1184
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,760
 a list of the owners?

1185
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:26,760
 Yeah.

1186
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:31,040
 We'll typically go in and we'll do the pre-designed meetings and where we can get those sidewalks

1187
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,840
 slid in if we know where they are and we've got petitions.

1188
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,360
 That's what really helps us is when we have a neighborhood come to us with a petition

1189
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:42,080
 saying we know that we're on the road list, we'd like a sidewalk in place, we just need

1190
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,000
 to get those so we can budget them in as soon as we can.

1191
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:51,200
 We always try to accommodate those neighborhoods that do that.

1192
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,200
 Any other questions?

1193
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,760
 All right.

1194
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,240
 Can I take a motion for adjournment?

1195
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,960
 So moved.

1196
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,960
 All right.

1197
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:13,800
 Do you get that Madam Secretary, Patty, and then Diana.

1198
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,320
 All right.

1199
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,320
 Have a good evening.

1200
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:18,320
 Thank you.