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 >> Good evening.

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 Welcome to the special citizens bond committee advisory meeting

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 for June 13th, 2019.

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 It's 6 p.m. and we're going to go ahead and get started.

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 I believe we have quorum with at least,

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 I think now 13 members present.

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 The first item on the agenda is consideration

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 of the meeting minutes from May 30th.

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 Does anyone have any comments or amendments?

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 >> I'd just like to offer one amendment on page four,

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 paragraph three.

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 It states a discussion followed

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 on leveraging approximately half a million dollars from federal

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 and state matching dollars.

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 I believe that is the wrong amount.

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 So I would suggest a discussion followed on leveraging bond funds

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 with 275 million federal and state dollars

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 for a total expenditure of roughly half a billion dollars.

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 >> Thank you for that correction.

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 Any other comments regarding that?

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 Okay. Any other general comments

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 about meeting minutes for May 30th?

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 Would anyone like to make a motion

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 to approve the minutes as amended?

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 >> So moved.

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 >> Second.

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 >> All right.

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 >> All in favor.

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 Any other comments or questions?

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 >> Any -- all right.

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 All in favor, say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Any opposed, same sign.

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 Minutes are approved.

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 All right.

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 Next is -- this is going to be a heavy lift tonight.

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 We got a lot of information to cover.

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 So we are going to take a break at a good breaking point

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 around 7 to rest our brains and our backsides for a minute.

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 And then we'll press on but we may go a little long tonight.

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 So there may not -- every question may not get answered

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 and the staff will be definitely tracking questions.

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 So this is the time to dig deep into these projects and feel free

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 to do your best to help thoroughly understand what is

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 I'm going to turn it over to David.

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 >> Sure. I'll just give a -- David Gaines, director of finance,

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 give a brief introduction.

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 As we head into this presentation,

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 this presentation is going to be slightly different

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 than the one that was on the agenda.

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 As we go along this process, we're going to sometimes --

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 costs are changing and different scopes are changing up to even

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 today with some of the roads that are on in the presentation.

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 So as Todd as this goes through the presentation,

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 he'll point out some of those differences.

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 But just so you're aware, there's a few new slides and a few changes

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 on the slides that were previously presented.

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 Following the meeting, we'll get those up later on the website

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 and have the agenda uploaded with the new presentation as well.

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 I'll turn it over to Todd Hellman,

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 our city manager for a couple minutes.

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 >> I just wanted to clarify tonight, after listening

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 to your comments at the first meeting, staff went back

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 and we've spent the last -- really up until about an hour ago,

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 spent the last couple of weeks reprioritizing the streets.

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 Somebody -- one of you had asked a question about, you know,

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 is there a way to prioritize these asks?

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 How would you think through them?

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 So you're going to be seeing our thought process tonight.

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 And obviously, the ones with the heavy federal leverage are going

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 to be the ones that we recommend the most.

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 But one of the debates we've been having internally,

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 and we want to include you in tonight, is just the issue

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 in terms of the local roads.

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 We had budgeted about $5 million, roughly a year,

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 for the local road program.

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 One of the questions that the council continues

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 to ask us is, you know, how do we continue moving up

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 and ratcheting up our OCI, the condition index or the streets?

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 And that's always a big issue with them.

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 So we went back and I met with the staff last week

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 and they have been feverishly putting together plans on trying

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 to attack those worst streets.

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 By the time we were done in five or six years, they've got a couple

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 of options for you, ways that we could scale the local road program

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 that would probably take adding some more money and dropping one

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 of the other roads out of the picture,

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 but to make a pretty marked difference.

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 So we think that was kind of the question we were asked the first time,

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 probably something that most people are interested in.

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 It's also got the advantage of having significant amount

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 of work done throughout the various parts of the community.

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 of context for how we're thinking this through

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 and what we need your feedback on.

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 which will eventually tie 2499 into I-35W,

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 on the other major collector roads such as Ryan in terms of how wide,

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 to six lane highway down the road.

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 thinking you might want to take the strategy we presented first,

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 maybe in a different route, no pun intended.

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 listening to the feedback that you're giving us.

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 >> Good evening.

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 I'm Todd Estes.

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 I'm the City Engineer.

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 I'm also Director of Capital Projects for a good number

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 of these projects we'll get delivered out of.

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 We have with us Danny Kramer who's the Deputy Director

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 for Streets and Drainage Operations.

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 There's a good reason they're up here.

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 They're not in trouble.

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 But they have a lot of information

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 that you might ask tonight.

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 And then Pritam Deshmukh is the Deputy City Engineer.

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 He's over the vast majority of these capital projects

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 and he's direct responsible.

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 He's making sure they get put in the ground amongst other things.

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 So tonight we're going to talk about proposition two,

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 more specifically the streets portion.

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 from that list you saw a couple weeks ago what proposition two

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 to the lowest priority projects on that proposition two.

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 It's just how do you take top priority one, one, one, one, one and say well,

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 which of those has to fall in knowing that we can't even attack all the rest

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 of the high priority projects, these are just that high.

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 that gets our citizens around internally and as well as they leave and go south

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 or east or north to wherever they go to work or live during the day.

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 So unlike what it didn't look like 20, 30 years ago and I had the advantage

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 of growing up here so I got to-- I've seen it and it's in all its forms so far.

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 But it used to be very much a bedroom community.

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 and our roads were not really set up for that volume of traffic

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 and we are suffering from that scenario today and now we're playing catch up.

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 So 2012, 2014 bonds, we absolutely started going down that pathway

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 but we've got to take the next step here.

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 the volume scenarios, the mobility throughout the city and the town as well

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 as take care of those safety issues, make it a much safer community for folks

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 to travel whether it's bicycles, walking, motoring in a car,

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 whatever their preference is.

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 of these roadways based on those categories.

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 That's really what our focus was, was how does it address those scenarios.

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 Then it also addresses the thing that I know we've heard for quite a while here

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 and then those OCI streets, now low OCI streets.

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 So just like your house has a foundation, so does the road.

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 The road surface is only as good as the foundation is.

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 And then you've got the top, that's the part we see that we put all the paint

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 and everything else on top of and that's the surface course or as we call it,

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 that asphalt or you'll see us later, we'll throw out a big engineering term,

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 bituminous pavement, it's asphalt, it's all it is, just a big engineering term.

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 and trying very hard to figure out all of our needs.

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 So you're also going to hear us talk about lane miles.

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 So segments, and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

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 Segments really come down to one intersection to another intersection.

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 And if I've got it in our big database of streets and we have a huge database

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 of streets, that's the way we start breaking it down for the computer

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 to help us analyze how we're going to attack this effort.

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 How are we going to go forward with this?

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 We have over 4,300 segments of roadway, 4,300 segments of roadway

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 All of them are in different conditions.

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 Some of them are very, very good.

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 Some of them are really, really bad and nobody's touched them in forever.

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 if you can picture a four lane road, take McKinney right out the street here,

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 or right at the window here, there are four lanes there.

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 and doing striping or putting signs down, we talk about lane miles.

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 That just means I took that street and I said, well, there's four lanes here.

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 So this just reiterates a slide that you have seen before.

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 But again, we reprioritize the projects.

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 So this was what you saw on May 30th.

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 It's what council saw in April, I think twice, maybe three times in work session.

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 So what you're seeing is that same slide.

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 We've just reprioritized those high priority streets, as we think of them,

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 because they do have the maximum amount of dollars

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 to leverage from other funding sources.

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 So Bonnie Bray phases five, six, and seven.

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 It carries us all the way out to loop 288 from scripture.

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 That's a long stretch of roadway that will be vital to the community,

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 not just when TechStat's working on it, but they are going to be working on I-35

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 for the next 10 to 15 years.

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 That road becomes a very important road for us.

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 It's our artery, our lifeline, when I-35 is under construction, north and south.

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 or if you're trying to get to the high school, if you're just trying to get home

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 or to shopping or come all the way back down to North Texas main campus,

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 there's a whole host of things that are all along that one roadway.

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 to 15 years, when I-35 is under construction, it's also got to help divert

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 some of that traffic and keep it out of our neighborhoods,

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 but on a roadway designed to handle that traffic.

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 So Hickory Creek, big safety improvement.

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 It's also a regional connection.

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 That's one of the ways we're leveraging those dollars with our partners,

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 This fills the gap, takes us all the way to 35W, straight as an arrow,

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 what efforts are going on at both of those.

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 this map right here shows what you're going to see in the next several slides,

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 but it's all of the development going on within the city of Denton.

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 of visiting with folks on staff or their own design engineers.

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 That's a lot of work going on.

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 our public works inspection staff was trying to juggle 38 to 40 projects

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 on a daily basis that were private development related.

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 So we have a lot going on.

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 it brings commuters, it brings business to the city of Denton.

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 It's folks that live here and they're now part of our community.

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 But it also means that the roadways are not big enough

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 They do that as they come in.

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 to close the gap for a variety of reasons.

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 where we're seeing development is in the south.

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 If you've ever driven out, and I'm sure a lot of you have, you go out Sherman

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 or you go out Locust and what used to be mostly pasture or empty land,

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 homes are almost every step of the way.

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 Well, now they're going past the loop because all you see right now going

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 It's just going to continue to go north.

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 You combine that with we have folks that live in Prosper and Sanger and Valley View

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 and a bunch of other cities that they come here to work.

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 They come here for medical services.

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 They come here for the entertainment, the recreation aspects.

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 It's a very different community than Denton was 30 years ago.

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 One of the other areas that's really hopping for us too is the area around the airport

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 and it's more of an industrial sector, but there is a lot of business coming here.

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 It generates a lot of traffic and in particular it generates a lot of heavy truck traffic.

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 So one of the concerns we have with a lot of these roadways is do you really want a lot

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 of heavy truck traffic driving through neighborhood streets or local arterial roadways?

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 Do we really want them where most of your commuters are going to be?

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 Or do you have them like we have?

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 We're lucky we're ideally situated to where the industrial sector is booming right off

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 of I-35.

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 But we still got to provide the connections so that they stay there and they don't start

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 wandering off the beaten path to find other ways to get where they need to go.

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 That's going to be really imperative again as the state continues to come through with

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 improvements to I-35 and that long term projection of how long they're going to be here.

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 So area one, this is just a blow up.

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 This was in your packet.

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 Now after these next couple of slides we're going to divert a little bit from what you

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 had seen on as far as Monday, as early as Monday.

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 So area one is just a blow up of that area and again you can see it here.

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 Area two, similar going to the north.

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 And this is a little misleading from the standpoint that we've had several discussions with folks

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 but nobody submitted anything yet that takes in a large chunk of this area right in here

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 for residential development.

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 So there's more coming.

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 We've just had preliminary conversations with those people.

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 We haven't seen anything tangible yet but we know it's coming.

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 that area as well.

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 So as we go forward we're also going to talk about what these projects cost.

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 So when we talk about the cost of these projects we're not just talking construction dollars

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 because there's an overall cost to deliver any single one of these projects that includes

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 staff time, includes right away acquisitions, the design consultant potentially that might

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 be doing the work, the contractor.

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 Then we've got to factor in things like inflation over time.

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 So if we pass the bond in November but we can't actually go to construction until say

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 2022, three years into the bond, there's construction inflation built into this.

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 We don't want to be in a place where we were with 2012 and 2014 where all that was really

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 in the cost estimate was what it cost to build the project.

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 And then six years later we're trying to make up the difference.

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 So one of the things that's amazing in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, really we're considered

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 part of that area, if you look nationally construction inflation is growing between

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 three and five percent year over year.

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 In Texas by and large you see the same rate overall.

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 But what's going on in Dallas and Fort Worth right now?

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 Eight to ten.

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 Easily because what's happening is, is TxDOT has invested billions upon billions of dollars

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 on the infrastructure here.

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 You've got development coming here in droves in the entire Metroplex area.

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 So contractors that just eight years ago, nine years ago coming out of the recession

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 who were very hungry and we were getting very good prices, they're not in that mode anymore.

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 They're much more in the mode of I've got more work than I can handle, it'd be nice

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 to get this job, but quite frankly I got more than I can handle.

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 So if I get it for this price, absolutely I'll take it.

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 Every now and then you get one that just says I want the job and I'll go for it.

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 We have a hard time filling street screws because contractors will come in and have

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 done.

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 They've walked onto a job site and said you guys are doing a bang up job, I'm going to

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 hire all six of you right now on the spot with benefits and a raise.

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 Construction historically, at least in Texas, is not going to generate benefits for an employee.

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 They do now.

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 That's how competitive a market is.

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 It's hard to get our contractors that we have worked historically with, they're having

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 a hard time getting people.

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 Our consulting engineers, our design professionals have a hard time getting people.

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 It is just that hot a market right now for people that's driving the cost up.

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 And the people they do get don't have very good skills, usually.

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 Could be.

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 From a previous experience, when you go through cycles like this, how long does it take the

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 supplier market to have people migrate into higher growth areas to equalize that labor

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 shortage?

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 That's a tough estimate to throw because we've not seen a market quite like this.

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 Even when the market was really booming coming out of the 90s and into the early 2000s, it

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 was not as dog eat dog as we're seeing right now when it comes to just cannibalizing people

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 and personnel.

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 You can't generate enough people coming out of school with any kind of want to go do something

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 on a professional basis, let alone folks who are willing to work an hourly wage on a job

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 that's very demanding physically.

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 When you can go get a similar wage or better and be air conditioned, there's a variety

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 of other benefits to that.

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 Nobody wants to work at 110 degrees heat next to a 165 degree asphalt hopper and that be

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 your job every day.

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 That's just, it's miserable.

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 It's a hard job and it's tough.

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 So you're definitely seeing this transition in the market right now.

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 My suspicion is that a lot of this is generated by the sheer influx of dollars that tech

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 stocks bring to the table to keep up with the demand.

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 So some of this is private development oriented.

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 Some of it is absolutely public works development generated.

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 The contractors you typically see on both sides of the fence stay in their vein typically.

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 Unless you go through a depression or a recession to where they're really hungry for work, they

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 might cross over the lines.

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 By and large, somebody who does public works projects sticks with public works projects.

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 Somebody who's a private developer contractor typically stays with private development.

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 You just have both markets going so hot and heavy.

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 What tech stock does with their general contractors, you'll see their general contractors come in

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 with these large projects, 20 billion, 30 billion, 35 billion, 45 billion dollar projects

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 and they'll get this very large consortium of a construction contractor.

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 That contractor wants to work the main lanes.

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 They want to be within tech stocks right away.

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 They don't want to deal with city of Denton on how many ramps we're going to have and

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 how much right away and the signals in the street.

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 They don't want to do that.

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 It's important to us.

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 That's not where they're making their money.

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 So what ends up happening invariably is that the subcontractors for them are our general

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 contractors.

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 They're our prime contractors typically.

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 So you have a lot of prime contractors doing subcontract work for tech stock and they're

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 busy.

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 They're flush with business.

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 There's all kinds of things to be doing.

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 So now not just us, but Lewisville, Firemount, Fort Worth, Dallas, Arlington, they're all

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 having the same problem.

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 If you're getting two, three, or four bidders on a project, when 10 years ago you would

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 have had 12 to 15 and you would have gotten 10 to 12 bidders on a project that was half

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 a million dollars less, now a good number of them won't even look at you unless it's

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 over a million dollars.

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 It's just the market we're in.

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 Now the bonus we have coming for us is tech stocks moving north.

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 They're going to be bringing the same guys with them north because that's where the gravy

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 train is right now.

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 They got experience with them.

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 That's where they got the experience making the money right now.

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 So the anticipation is they will come north, which should help to moderate our local competitiveness

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 going into the future.

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 Now we're still going to have to wait that out a little bit.

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 Tech stocks not really anticipating any of these projects in our area really going full

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 steam until you get into the 2024, 2026 time frame.

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 That's when they're here and not as focused in Dallas and Fort Worth.

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 So we got a little time before you start to see that really bubble over.

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 Does that answer your question?

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 Maybe more in depth than you wanted.

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 Well, would it be fair to say that you don't see much flexibility in the labor market?

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 It's more just wait until demand goes down?

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 Not for the foreseeable future, no, we just don't.

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 Okay.

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 So we're also building that inflation into these cost estimates as well as contingency.

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 So we build in a fairly high contingency upfront right now where we don't have a design consultant

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 or a professional design professional engaged in the project to find those major hurdles.

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 Do I have to deal with the United States Army Corps of Engineers and they're going to make

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 us go do jump through a lot of hoops, spend a lot of money on wetlands preservation, on

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 mitigation, on stream bank protection.

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 There's a variety of things that we'll get engaged in with all of these.

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 We don't know to what extent.

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 So there's a contingency built in that gets narrowed down as the project comes closer

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 to construction.

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 Right now we have factored in about 30% contingency since we just don't know the impact of those

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 efforts yet.

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 We have a general idea.

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 We know we're going to explore those.

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 We don't know to what depth yet.

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 And then the last component that we're building into every one of these budgets is incentives

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 and disincentives.

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 And that's a tool you use with the contractor to say we need to achieve the project in this

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 date, in this timeframe, and if you beat that, there's a little bonus here.

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 And I really want to pay you the bonus because then you're not out here for five years dragging

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 a project out that should have been done in a year and a half.

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 And then there's also the disincentive side, I can't offer the incentives without offering

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 the disincentive or I can't do the disincentives without offering the incentives, set it backwards.

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 So the disincentives is, okay, there's typically a limit on the incentives, $3,000 a day, $5,000

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 a day up to 30 or 45 days prior, or 30% of the contract, it just depends on the contract.

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 The disincentives has no limit.

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 It's the exact same amount, but it has no limit.

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 So it's a penalty to the contractor if you miss that date.

477
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,840
 It doesn't mean we don't work with them on change, they can't control the weather, they

478
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,440
 can't control certain things, it doesn't mean we don't work with them, but we build that

479
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,800
 into these budgets so we're not having to come back to council on a later date and ask

480
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,800
 for more money.

481
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:49,120
 So that's built into all of these pretty thorough breakdown of what we do know now, and it will

482
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,000
 whittle down as we get a design professional on board and you move forward into the design

483
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,260
 process much closer to construction.

484
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:59,780
 Any questions on this one?

485
00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,160
 Okay.

486
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,560
 So the first of the projects, our top priority, and really we could have interchanged both

487
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,960
 of these two top priorities, Bonnie Bray and Hickory Creek, if you just have to pick one,

488
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,480
 it's almost throw a dart at it and pick the one it lands on because they're that critical

489
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,480
 in our view.

490
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,400
 They also generate the maximum amount of leverage.

491
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,560
 So for this project, we're anticipating the 27 million dollars is all we're putting into

492
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,720
 the project, but we're leveraging almost 112 million dollars.

493
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,880
 That comes from our partners with the council of governments, with the state, with the county,

494
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,880
 the school district.

495
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,600
 There's a variety of partners that help us make that a reality and in all the discussions

496
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,360
 we're having right now, which will get more formalized as this process moves along, everyone's

497
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,440
 very interested in being a part of this.

498
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,940
 We already have some of that money committed.

499
00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:58,400
 We're working to get the rest of that committed.

500
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
 So what we've also presented here is just what this looks like.

501
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,480
 So the project, Bonnie Bray itself has seven phases.

502
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,380
 That's why there's five, six, and seven here.

503
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:12,360
 The other four phases are funded and they're either under construction, going to construction

504
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,240
 in the next six to nine months, or about to be complete.

505
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,040
 So Bonnie Bray phase one, way south, is almost complete and almost just meaning everything's

506
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,320
 in place, but we've got two gas lines there that got to be moved and we're ready to go.

507
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,880
 This focuses on that northern end.

508
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,020
 It goes from McKenna Park to the south.

509
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:34,960
 This is phase five and goes up to University Drive.

510
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,680
 Then from University Drive, it goes all the way to 77.

511
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:46,480
 In the 2014 bond, Bonnie Bray was identified as a project from University Drive to Windsor

512
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,360
 and that's where it stopped.

513
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,080
 The reason this project became eligible for some of our partners to really want to partner

514
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,940
 with us is University Drive is a state roadway and 77 and Loop 288 are state facilities.

515
00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:05,960
 When we made the connection to 77 and then ultimately Loop 288, that became of interest

516
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,580
 to our regional partners to want to put some money into this project and make it a reality.

517
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:14,520
 You combine that with the school district having a high school that's wanting to move

518
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,200
 up here to the north, I'm still going to have to get used to my alma mater being on the

519
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,160
 north side of town and not in the middle.

520
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,360
 So it's going to be up here on the north side of town that's going to generate a lot more

521
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,840
 traffic up here than what we've seen in years.

522
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680
 University Park absolutely changed that dynamic.

523
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:38,720
 So I did the growth in the parks there at McKenna and North Lakes Park and now you're

524
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,760
 going to add on top of that a high school with all its activities and everything that

525
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,880
 goes on year round.

526
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,620
 We're in a race to get there before they open.

527
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:52,840
 So with that being said, council did approve design dollars for this road and that's one

528
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
 of the other prime reasons why our regional partners are very interested in partnering

529
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280
 with us is we're well into the design process.

530
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:06,080
 I believe we're past 30%, almost into the 40% of the design process so we've answered

531
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,320
 the vast majority of what hurdles are in front of that project and we're moving into the

532
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,080
 full design of that project.

533
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,720
 All those technical issues are being resolved.

534
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,880
 The state has also come in and committed to this purple piece here.

535
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,280
 Really the city's commitment going forward would be working with the University of North

536
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,840
 Texas to acquire the right-of-way, but the state is going to fund the piece from 77 to

537
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760
 Loop 288 and we'll go over Loop 288.

538
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,520
 So it's cutting across the west edge of Discovery Park.

539
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,520
 Yes.

540
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,000
 So that park is, UNT actually owns this whole triangle and we're coming just inside of it.

541
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,520
 So Bonnie Bray, how many new Bonnie Bray goes under Loop 288?

542
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,840
 To be honest, and I've lived here a long time, I don't because I always go over it on Loop

543
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,360
 288 or I go sideways and never really pay attention to it going under Loop 288, which

544
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
 is in a flood-prone area.

545
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,280
 So this new alignment would take it up and over Loop 288 and the state has stepped in

546
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,080
 and said they will do the design and construction of that portion.

547
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,960
 The other point I would make is all along 77, that is rapidly filling in with apartments,

548
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,960
 homes.

549
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:21,240
 It's going to have a pretty high density all the way up to Loop 288.

550
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,040
 So currently today, you'll see this term on most of our slides here when it comes to these

551
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,440
 types of projects like the Bonnie Bray and the Hickory Creek, you'll see a level of service,

552
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,040
 peak hour level of service.

553
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,280
 So today, if you were to drive Bonnie Bray, peak hour just means the morning when everybody's

554
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,120
 commuting or dropping off kids at school and in the evenings when everybody's coming home

555
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,240
 or whatever they're doing, you've got those rush hour times.

556
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,080
 We call it, engineers, we call that the peak hour because it's when we see the maximum

557
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,800
 amount of traffic through a one hour time slot, that's what we design most roadways

558
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,800
 for.

559
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,440
 So throughout this corridor, you see level of service D and it's graded from an A to

560
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,840
 an F just like when you're in school, roadways and intersections get graded on a scale of

561
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,560
 an A being the best to an F being the worst, meaning you basically can't get through it.

562
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,360
 It's basically a parking lot or it's so rough, you basically have to be in a four by four

563
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,220
 to make sure you can get out without damaging the vehicle.

564
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:17,880
 So there's a variety of reasons why it might fall into that F category.

565
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,560
 Most of the time it's a capacity reason, how many cars are going through.

566
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,360
 That relates back to congestion.

567
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,280
 How likely are people to stop at an intersection and wait?

568
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,320
 What ends up happening when you're next to a residential subdivision if they're on a

569
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,160
 major roadway and they're waiting, they cut through the neighborhood and that's exactly

570
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,640
 what we don't want to have happen.

571
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,040
 We want our neighborhoods to be a safe place.

572
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,880
 We don't want vehicular traffic moving through like they do today.

573
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,120
 They do that a lot of times today because there's nowhere else to go.

574
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,400
 They're stuck in a light.

575
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,120
 University and Bonnie Bray is a nightmare at certain times of the day.

576
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,320
 It operates at a little bit less than a level of service D right now, almost into a level

577
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,160
 of service E and what this would do with this project is it would push it into an A for

578
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,960
 most of the day, but in those rush hour times, it pushed it into a B. Long-term, and we do

579
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,160
 these projections out into 2045 based on the Council of Government's regional model for

580
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160
 growth.

581
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,200
 That's all we have to work off of right now, and then we also compare that with the development

582
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,840
 services and planning model for planning with different zoning districts and the ultimate

583
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,040
 makeup of the entire city looks like from a development standpoint.

584
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,600
 How does that grow into volumes and capacities of cars moving down the roadway, people walking,

585
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,600
 people cycling?

586
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,360
 How do you grow these roadways so that I build today for what I know is coming in the short

587
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,360
 very near future?

588
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:50,800
 Todd, do we have the right of way already from Scripture to 380?

589
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,600
 Not all of it, no.

590
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,120
 We're working on that piece, but not all of it.

591
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,080
 It's with any project, there's always going to be right of way that needs to be acquired.

592
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,600
 There are easements that need to be acquired.

593
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,760
 Some of those easements are just temporary in nature because I've got to have 10 foot

594
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,320
 for the construction guy to be over that side of the property line while he's doing work

595
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,440
 on this side, and then we return it back to natural afterwards and that easement goes

596
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,440
 away.

597
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,440
 So there's a whole variety of those easements that we've also got to build into these schedules.

598
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,440
 Todd, at a high level, you mentioned earlier that I-35 is going to see significant changes

599
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,440
 or construction.

600
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,440
 Yes.

601
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480
 At a high level, can you share what those are?

602
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,540
 They're still developing a fair amount of those plans, and I know Preetam can talk to

603
00:35:34,540 --> 00:35:41,200
 quite a bit of those, but one of the significant changes you'll see in this area is the ramps

604
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,080
 that enter onto I-35 and exit.

605
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,240
 A prominent condition that's going to change is today we just have a ramp that dumps off

606
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,240
 and a ramp that gets back on.

607
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,920
 At University Drive in particular on I-35, that's a problem.

608
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,920
 The ramps are very close to the intersection.

609
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,200
 There's a lot of people trying to get off, and you have people trying to get off going

610
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,920
 into their neighborhoods up here.

611
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,720
 Some people trying to go get dinner at Cheddar's or wherever they're going.

612
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:07,720
 I like Cheddar's.

613
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,360
 It's probably going to come to mind.

614
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,720
 But there's a variety of things going on in this area that is generating that traffic.

615
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,880
 So what TxDOT will be doing with that project is they're going to build what they call braided

616
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,880
 ramps.

617
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,200
 So if you can imagine, if you've driven Dallas and Fort Worth at all, some ramps exit off

618
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,000
 the highway high, and some ramps come on underneath it, and it's a mishmash when you're looking

619
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
 at it.

620
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,880
 You're like, how in the world did they come up with this spaghetti noodle of a solution?

621
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,840
 But it works.

622
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,000
 And it's for these reasons that they do those braided ramps that the distances are so tight

623
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,000
 that you try to get enough room away from the intersection that people can safely exit,

624
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,240
 and you don't have that parking lot like we have on I-35 going north of the Y and onto

625
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,240
 the University Drive exit.

626
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:00,360
 So that goes away, plus they're looking to add additional ramps.

627
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,200
 They work with the city didn't in this case, but all communities.

628
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200
 If there are major intersections, and they can incorporate into the project, they have

629
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,260
 the same problems we do, they've got to be able to fund it.

630
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:11,880
 Are there some alternate locations?

631
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,560
 One of the ones that we have talked about with TxDOT and we're still working through

632
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:22,680
 would be an exit ramp at Windsor, because a lot of the people that are leaving the highway

633
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,780
 getting on University Drive trying to get to their homes.

634
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:31,160
 If I have an exit just beyond that, well, now they can get directly to their homes and

635
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,520
 not fight the traffic that's also trying to get to University Drive for wherever they're

636
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,520
 going.

637
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640
 So those are all going on in the background as we're talking about this.

638
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:48,280
 Todd, when I looked at the cost of this project, just looking at cost per lane mile, just isolating

639
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:54,220
 design and construction, not right away, none of the other columns in the later summary.

640
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:58,920
 This one came out around $5 million per lane mile, and all the other arterial projects

641
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,800
 came out at like $2.5 million ish.

642
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,920
 Can you speak to what is driving that difference?

643
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,240
 There are several things that are driving it.

644
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:11,480
 Some of it's right away assumptions, because there are right away costs that get tied into

645
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,280
 this and part of that right away cost.

646
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,520
 Sorry to interrupt, that was just the design and construction columns, not the right away

647
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,520
 column.

648
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,520
 I'd have to go back and look.

649
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,900
 I couldn't tell you right off the top of my head, because it's an all-inclusive cost.

650
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:28,640
 There's utilities, there's a variety of other things that get tied in that may not be true

651
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,640
 in other locations.

652
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,400
 For instance, there is a major water line that has to go in with this project.

653
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,440
 So a large water line and a booster pump station tied to it's going to inflate the number in

654
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,320
 a different way.

655
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,680
 Crossings at different elevations, if we have to do a significant amount of fill, raising

656
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,840
 and lowering, that may change it as well.

657
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,920
 So you're going to see that in some of these projects.

658
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,160
 But every project is just take it six inches down, put pavement on top.

659
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,600
 Yeah, and I've been to minor variations, it was just a 2X difference.

660
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:04,280
 Oh, and it has two bridges as well, so it throws some of those numbers off as well.

661
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:12,120
 Yeah, I mean, that's fine, I mean, Hickory Creek has a really big bridge too.

662
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,440
 You've also got the scenario where we're going up and over the interstate, the Luke 288 right

663
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,440
 there.

664
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,360
 It's a whole different set of construction than what you're talking about with Hickory

665
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,360
 Creek.

666
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,000
 It's still a bridge, but it's a full interchange with an interstate highway.

667
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,560
 They're projected volumes when they actually tie in 380 and swing 380 up to Luke 288 and

668
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,480
 comes around the outside of town combined with the outer loop traffic.

669
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,880
 I mean, there's some other factors there that are pushing that number in a different direction.

670
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:49,160
 But again, it's the most leveraged project we've had.

671
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,160
 Yes?

672
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,160
 I have a question.

673
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,160
 Yes, sir?

674
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,160
 I just want to ask, the bikeway is already four lanes, so how are you going to say that

675
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,360
 you're going to expand it to four lanes and increase your LOS from a D to an A?

676
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,640
 There's a lot of improvements that go on at the intersections, which is really what unlocks

677
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,020
 the roadway.

678
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:06,400
 So there's a widening to almost six lanes with bypass, there's a variety of things that

679
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,680
 happen at the intersections.

680
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,080
 They get wider, they get bigger to handle the amount of traffic.

681
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,240
 Anytime I put a signal up, I'm essentially creating a parking lot.

682
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,800
 So I got a couple of options for that parking lot.

683
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:23,980
 I may get wider so I can stack the cars even further up or I can make it narrower, but

684
00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:28,400
 try to find some way of providing extra avenues for people to get off of that roadway.

685
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080
 Is this supposed to be a six lane road eventually?

686
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080
 It's being built that way.

687
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,120
 Yes, it'll have a wide median so that at some point in the future when we do need six lanes,

688
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,240
 you can add the six lanes to the inside and we're not getting right away another day.

689
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,520
 So it'll be about as wide as Mayo is right now?

690
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,520
 Yes.

691
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,520
 Yes.

692
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,520
 Yes, ma'am.

693
00:40:46,520 --> 00:41:00,560
 Does the budget help with the state funds and I guess the city funds for, what is it

694
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,800
 called, Buc-E's?

695
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,720
 I know that's 288 areas for the ramp.

696
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:13,060
 I noticed that you guys didn't do the ramp until after they got here.

697
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:17,980
 Part of what you're seeing right now is a different staff than what was here when Buc-E's

698
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:21,220
 and the ramps for I-35E.

699
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:23,160
 That staff is a different staff.

700
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,720
 So there's a lot more proactivity going on now to make those things happen.

701
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:33,420
 Oh, if you want to.

702
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:35,440
 So there were things that happened after the construction.

703
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,480
 So Buc-E's came in after I-35 had been in the planning stages.

704
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,280
 I-35 has been in the planning stages for well over a decade.

705
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,360
 I mean, it's pushing 20 years in the planning phases, then the design process.

706
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,280
 Their processes that they're state and federally mandated to follow takes longer than what

707
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,280
 we can do.

708
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,560
 We can do some things faster because it just takes that long for them to get there.

709
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,360
 And if you can imagine expanding a multiple billion dollar roadway, it just takes a lot

710
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
 of planning, a lot of moving of things, a lot of getting things out of the way.

711
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,720
 So TxDOT had been planning that roadway way in advance of Buc-E's ever deciding they wanted

712
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,120
 to come put a Buc-E's here in Netton.

713
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,840
 So after that had already gone, been let, ready to go to construction, then Buc-E's

714
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,320
 came in and they started working with the state, trying to find a way to make it happen.

715
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,920
 Buc-E's started working with the state?

716
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,920
 No, Buc-E's the city.

717
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,360
 You had a variety of players that were involved in that.

718
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,360
 Okay.

719
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,560
 Because that's a crazy area right now.

720
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,560
 It is a crazy area.

721
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,160
 And that's why you're seeing the solutions go in there now.

722
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,360
 Staff worked very hard on several traffic studies to help prove to the state that some

723
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,520
 of the connections you're seeing come online now were warranted.

724
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,120
 I think the Brinker Road connection is the primary one we're talking about.

725
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:52,440
 Brinker really had no forward momentum until Pre-Tem really let the charge to go forward

726
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,840
 to do a traffic study in the area and prove to the state that that was needed.

727
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:07,920
 I'm sure that's a high dollar above all, like, you know, the expense and yeah.

728
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,640
 Are you guys trying to get HOV lanes here or no?

729
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,440
 I don't believe that was part of their, anywhere in their scope of work.

730
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,020
 And that's also been a challenge with the state from the top, from the governor's position.

731
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:26,080
 It's been a little bit of a change in the thought process.

732
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,120
 So we have no control over that part.

733
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,720
 That would help too.

734
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:34,720
 Okay.

735
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:35,720
 Any other questions on Bonnie Brady?

736
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:42,920
 Just real quickly, does all of this include like an improvement on the bike lanes or?

737
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,920
 Yes.

738
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,920
 Okay.

739
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,040
 So you'll see in this little schematic down here, we're playing for bike lanes, we're

740
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,240
 playing for sidewalks, side paths.

741
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,320
 The buildings, I have no idea what they're actually going to look like.

742
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,200
 So Pre-Tam had a lot of fun playing with it, so we don't know exactly what's going to be

743
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,200
 there.

744
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
 But there will be street lights, there will be sidewalks, there will be bicycle lanes.

745
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,000
 I mean, obviously we're designing so that all modes of transportation can get to the

746
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,640
 high school, to North Texas, to the residential homes, to the park, all the way down to Razor

747
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:21,080
 Ranch and all the amenities that are down that way.

748
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,920
 These primary, these arterial roadways, yes, they all include street lights.

749
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,920
 Okay.

750
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,800
 So that will be in Bonnie Brady, that's in Hickory Creek, Robinson, Ryan Road.

751
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,320
 So all the new ones there?

752
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,320
 Yes.

753
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,760
 DME just did a major improvement to the transmission lines along Bonnie Brady.

754
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,760
 Yes.

755
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,200
 Will those be impacted by this?

756
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,200
 Not many of them.

757
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,360
 It was planned for them to be set outside.

758
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
 There might be a few because development has changed the nature.

759
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,600
 When DME came in, they put their poles where they thought they were going to have to be

760
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,080
 and of course now, new developers, new development, they want to put a driveway where they want

761
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,720
 to put it and that's a negotiation constantly that we're working with them on.

762
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,840
 Do you make them move the street light?

763
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,400
 Developer or DME or who?

764
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,680
 No, do you make the developer move the street light?

765
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,720
 If they're impacting it, yes ma'am.

766
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:16,400
 Tom, is there any chance that these bike lanes could get raised up above the roadways so

767
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,680
 that we're not all sharing the same level?

768
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,680
 Absolutely.

769
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,000
 What you're saying right now is a concept.

770
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,280
 It is by no means the final design.

771
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,080
 This is just a concept to give you an idea of what the feel of the road might be but

772
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,880
 as far as the location of where the bicycles would be in relation to the road, one of the

773
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,720
 avenues that we are working through right now and we're working with DME on right now

774
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,400
 is where would say a side path like a bicycle path and a pedestrian path be off the roadway

775
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,900
 that wind down the right-of-way, that's one of the options we're considering right now.

776
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:47,900
 Good.

777
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:50,080
 Any questions over here, Tom?

778
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080
 Yes ma'am.

779
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:57,480
 Tom, do you know the volume of traffic car-wise is anticipated going up and down without a

780
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,480
 break?

781
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,480
 Yes, and that's why pre-tamp is sitting right up front.

782
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:15,880
 I think it's currently in the 11 to 15 hour range but once this is done with the school

783
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,880
 coming in, it will go beyond 22,000 to 25,000 vehicles per day.

784
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,880
 Vehicles.

785
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,280
 I don't know if you all heard that pre-tamp was saying that right now we're seeing 11

786
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:27,520
 to 12,000 vehicles per day on the existing roadway and where this would take us would

787
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,640
 be the capacity for 22,000 to 25,000 vehicles per day.

788
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,560
 One of the other things we didn't talk about and I think Mr. Pruitt brought it up, or somebody

789
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,800
 brought it up, it's four lane now and you're going to do four lane.

790
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,160
 It's four lanes now but what happens with a four lane divided roadway, and we'll dive

791
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:51,280
 into this a little bit with Ryan Road as well, when you have four lanes and people are trying

792
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,480
 to turn left, what happens is people stop in the left lane so everybody's forced to

793
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,480
 go around them, and now they're waiting to turn left, and that happens in both lanes,

794
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,920
 especially if I have a neighborhood here and a neighborhood here or whatever they're trying

795
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,080
 to get to.

796
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,700
 So what we have found over time is essentially those four lane roadways, unless there's nothing

797
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:17,640
 that is a destination for the driver to want to turn left, those four lane roadways really

798
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,680
 function like a three lane roadway or one in each direction with a center turn lane.

799
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,720
 So that's really how most four lanes work, with just a little bit more capacity to them.

800
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,440
 When you go down the pathway of what we're proposing here, it's a four lane road with

801
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,480
 a median, so you control where people actually turn left, and then you give them the side

802
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:43,040
 bays, those left turn bays to stack in that lane, and then you still allow two lanes of

803
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,440
 traffic to move through.

804
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:53,680
 Any other questions, most anticipated time, construction to completion?

805
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:00,440
 So for phase six, that would be our first target because of the high school.

806
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,640
 Phase six would be the first one to go into construction.

807
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,720
 We need to have that open by beginning of school of 2022, they actually would like it

808
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:13,080
 open by the end of the spring of 2022, so they can have some of their summer camps and

809
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080
 other things going on.

810
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,640
 So it's a very aggressive schedule, that's why we're already in the design process and

811
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,000
 working with property owners on where the right-of-way asks would be and where the easements

812
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,000
 would come from.

813
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,600
 Because I live right off Bonnie Bray.

814
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,600
 Yes, ma'am.

815
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,600
 This is why I'm asking.

816
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,600
 Sure.

817
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,400
 How am I going to be able to turn right or left as I come off, well not scripture because

818
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:40,360
 we'll have a roundabout, but it's a personal question, how am I going to get out of there?

819
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,720
 I understand and you will see us as we go through these projects, provided these are

820
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,480
 projects going forward, we will have multiple public meetings and early and upfront in that

821
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,120
 public meeting, we want that feedback, what are the impacts you perceive so that you can

822
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,580
 see the evolution of the design of that project.

823
00:48:56,580 --> 00:49:01,600
 You're not going to be totally inconvenienced, we will do our best to try to provide ways

824
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,040
 for people to get around, but we'll do our best to work together so you know what's coming,

825
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,200
 when it's coming, and where there are concerns, try our best to incorporate that into the

826
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,200
 project.

827
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,340
 Sorry, one more thing.

828
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:23,640
 One of the things just in general that I'd like to understand is how many people are currently

829
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:29,840
 impacted by lower levels of service and what that impact is in a number of minutes.

830
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:37,920
 So I know you had 10 to 12k people or 15 per day, I don't know how much of that breaks

831
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,920
 down within the peak hour where that level of service is really reduced and that sort

832
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,920
 of thing.

833
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,760
 It may be beyond the scope of right now, but in general I would like to see that.

834
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040
 I would say that would be something we could bring back at another time.

835
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,080
 I could not even begin to get into that.

836
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,280
 We have information when it relates to some of these projects, especially those that are

837
00:49:54,280 --> 00:50:01,560
 in design, but we're going to really get into the weeds on some of this where I don't know

838
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,400
 that it's going to have a bearing tonight and I definitely couldn't give you good answers

839
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,400
 right this second.

840
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,400
 Understood, thank you.

841
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,400
 I have one question.

842
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,400
 Yes ma'am.

843
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,920
 I'm glad that somebody raised the question about having the bikes and you guys raising

844
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,960
 the roads for the bikes.

845
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:27,560
 Are you guys leading in that with other cities with that idea or is it already out there?

846
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,560
 Have you seen other cities with the bike race?

847
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:36,240
 Every city has a slightly different take on where they want that to go.

848
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,480
 There are places where they like to have them on the street.

849
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:45,720
 There's definitely been a push in the transportation community here of late where I really don't

850
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:52,600
 want the bicycles to be worried about fighting a 6,000 pound vehicle coming up right behind

851
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,360
 them or right next to them.

852
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,240
 If I try to separate that, pull them off the roadway, you still by state law can travel

853
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,740
 in that lane if you're a cyclist.

854
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:02,740
 You have that right.

855
00:51:02,740 --> 00:51:05,400
 You're a vehicle like anybody else.

856
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,840
 Bicycle lanes provide a facility to where you don't have the two right on top of each

857
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,240
 other, but what we'd like even better is for that to be separate to have some safe distance

858
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:18,360
 between the two and the cyclist feel like they have more independence on where they're

859
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:19,440
 going to be.

860
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,960
 The trade off is that's a lot more right of way.

861
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:29,080
 It's a lot more space that you got to have to make all those things happen.

862
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,960
 There's definitely multiple schools of thought and it takes a lot of what I would term a

863
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,480
 complete streets philosophy, which is what our staff has when it comes to planning transportation

864
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,800
 projects.

865
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,800
 I'm not looking at just how I get a car from A to B. I'm looking at how I get people who

866
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,920
 are walking for a variety of reasons, how I get bicyclists there, how do I get the motorists

867
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,360
 there, how do I get public transportation there, how do I make sure EMS can get through.

868
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:58,680
 There's a whole host of things we're trying to balance all at one time.

869
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,680
 When you design the roadway, you also got to start taking into account what is the context.

870
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,640
 Am I near a residential neighborhood, am I a commercial district, am I near schools,

871
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,640
 where am I?

872
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,120
 All those things come into play when we're designing.

873
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,840
 It's definitely not done in a vacuum.

874
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:17,640
 When you do a roadway like Bonnie Bray, it goes from rural and the extreme southern end

875
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:24,000
 and the extreme northern end and it goes into school zones, it goes into university traffic,

876
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,080
 it goes into a medical district, it goes into a whole variety of settings that now we're

877
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,920
 challenged with working through.

878
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,560
 We're doing our best to do that as we bring these options forward.

879
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,960
 I just think it would be an innovative way for you guys to stand out among other cities

880
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,920
 and that people would want to definitely move here just because of the bikes.

881
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:53,320
 A lot of people like that lifestyle of being able to just ride their bike and not be congested

882
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,320
 with the traffic.

883
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,600
 If you guys are doing that, that's going to bring a lot of people to Denton, especially

884
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,520
 students for UNT.

885
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,080
 We're pushing seven o'clock and we have not gotten through the first project.

886
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:13,360
 I am more than happy to answer your questions, but we're going to be here a long time.

887
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,360
 All right.

888
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,360
 Bonnie Bray, let's move on.

889
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,920
 Hickory Creek Road, we talked about this one a little bit.

890
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,920
 It's been in the papers here of late.

891
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,640
 The road has just had an increased number of ... The fatalities have made the paper

892
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,440
 for sure, but the traffic has gone up significantly.

893
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,960
 What used to be a small country road is now handling commuter traffic that's trying to

894
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,640
 get to South, trying to get to school, trying to get to Guyer High School.

895
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,720
 They're trying to get to their jobs in Dallas, Fort Worth, or South Lake, or they're trying

896
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,680
 to come here for a variety of reasons, whether it's to work or it's to play, whatever they're

897
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:48,680
 doing.

898
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,960
 The roadway has taken on a whole new character and it's never been able to catch up.

899
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,720
 Residential development has taken off in this entire southern segment.

900
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,920
 You also have potential residential development coming in on the other side.

901
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,880
 It's just a matter of time before that fills in as well, catches up with ropes and ranch

902
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,880
 way out on the extreme.

903
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,000
 The roadway today, we have the yellow piece and the green piece.

904
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,640
 That's between 2499 and 2181 and then over to River Pass.

905
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,080
 Those are under construction.

906
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,840
 This yellow piece will be under construction later this year.

907
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,360
 Its design is 95% complete.

908
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,840
 By that we mean we know exactly what we're going to be putting out there.

909
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,560
 We're just closing the gap on some fine details to get it out to bid.

910
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,200
 The green piece is under construction.

911
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,360
 We are working through that segment now.

912
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,880
 Then everything you see in blue and red, that's what we're planning today.

913
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,600
 We have design dollars that are already being put into the ultimate alignment of this entire

914
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,600
 red segment.

915
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,480
 What we have today will carry us into 30% design of the entire length of this roadway.

916
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,840
 That also is what has given us the open door with our regional partners, Council, Government,

917
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:08,960
 County, to leverage the $34 million, $35 million we're asking to put into it to $160 million.

918
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,160
 This becomes a very important connection, not just for Denton, and it's extremely important

919
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,360
 for us from a safety reason for just getting people around on the south part of town, but

920
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,240
 there are other needs throughout the entire region that are met by this roadway.

921
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,080
 It takes some load off of an argyle who's seeing an increased amount of traffic because

922
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,360
 we have folks trying to get out to I-35W.

923
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,920
 There are a variety of reasons why this becomes a very important part of leveraging those

924
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,080
 dollars significantly.

925
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:45,280
 The project we're working on in total is 30% design all the way to I-35W.

926
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:50,680
 The dollars we were working with COG and several other resources this summer to nail down would

927
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,480
 carry us construction for the ultimate alignment all the way to 35W.

928
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,840
 What you're also seeing is partnerships coming to fruition with private development in this

929
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,600
 corridor, and that's because we have the planning already going.

930
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,000
 We're already working on the design, and as development comes in, they're picking

931
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,840
 up that piece and doing their share.

932
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,720
 They're building their half of that roadway.

933
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:15,160
 There are several of those developments that we're talking to today that are ready to go

934
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,640
 to construction as soon as they can get their plans together, and we're nailing down what

935
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,600
 does that alignment look like for them.

936
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,120
 That's an unknown quantity for them that's not resolved.

937
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,080
 We're a lot more willing to come help with that.

938
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,960
 We also are looking to build this initial piece.

939
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,340
 This is the piece that gets us over to 1830.

940
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:36,440
 It straightens out Hickory Creek Road, which has the big sweeping curve that has caused

941
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,760
 fatalities, has had multiple accidents.

942
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,360
 This would go straight over the floodplain.

943
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,200
 It would also go over the railroad tracks, so you don't have that conflict point either.

944
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,440
 We're going to go over both and then touch down back over at 1830.

945
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,640
 We are in conversation, matter of fact, we had a meeting this week with TechStot about

946
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,280
 1830, and what does this intersection look like going forward.

947
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,440
 All of those things are in the works.

948
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:08,040
 When you see this level of service D down here, what we're talking about is if you left

949
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,480
 the roadway alone today, because it's not level of service D right now, it's not that

950
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,880
 kind of traffic, but with all these developments coming online, when they come in, it will

951
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:24,440
 be, by the time you start pushing out into 2025 and into 2030, 2035, it will be.

952
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,760
 In some places, it will be a level of service F. You do have some places that are level

953
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,760
 of service D today with traffic.

954
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,240
 Hickory Creek Road now, and where it ties in to 1830, it's a very dangerous intersection

955
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,840
 because it's sharp turns right next to the creek, can hardly see what's coming and going

956
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,840
 around you.

957
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,000
 It operates very much at a level of service D right now.

958
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,860
 This roadway would push us into a level of service A with six lanes of roadway going

959
00:57:48,860 --> 00:57:54,520
 all the way to 35W, so it's going to move a lot of traffic.

960
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,640
 Here's what has changed, and this is what comes to bear with the remainder of the project,

961
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,120
 especially when we get into the remainder of these projects, when we talk about Ryan

962
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,960
 Road and the streets, neighborhood streets, things like that.

963
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,520
 We did a complete area study.

964
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,720
 We did a traffic study of the entire area from Hobson Road down south to Crawford Road

965
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,400
 all the way past I-35W just a little bit, and over to 2181, 2499, so that we would start

966
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:26,640
 to have an idea of as development comes in, as we see the growth, what does the entire

967
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,600
 roadway network do?

968
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,600
 Where do people go?

969
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,680
 They're going to find the path of least resistance, and then we use a series of models that allows

970
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,420
 us to figure out projected, I mean, it's still an estimate, but it's a very good educated

971
00:58:39,420 --> 00:58:41,640
 estimate of what's going to happen.

972
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,520
 Where's traffic going to go?

973
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,320
 By unlocking the southern segment, where most people are trying to get over to 35W, 35E,

974
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:54,880
 2499 to go south, you unlock it by putting Hickory Creek Road in.

975
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,480
 When it's four lanes, six lanes wide, people are not trying to go north to ultimately go

976
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,480
 south.

977
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,560
 They stay on Hickory Creek Road, and they go east and west.

978
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,360
 So this is the entire red segment?

979
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,320
 Yes, ma'am.

980
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,780
 The study actually goes all the way over to where the end of the yellow is.

981
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:19,480
 So it's planning for future growth out into 2045 as well.

982
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,440
 So what that does is it relieves a lot of the stress that a Ryan Road feels today.

983
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:31,800
 So when we run through those scenarios in this model, Ryan is a two-lane roadway.

984
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,880
 At worst, it becomes a three-lane roadway off in the future.

985
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:35,880
 It's a collector.

986
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,120
 It's a neighborhood street collector to get people to the school, to get them over to

987
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,000
 the larger roads, the 2181, the 1830.

988
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,280
 So TechStat's also looking to do four lanes divided along 1830.

989
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,480
 That's the conversation we had earlier this week.

990
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,880
 So now you've got two four-lane roadways on both sides of Hickory Creek and Ryan Road.

991
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,280
 People go down to Hickory Creek and then out to where they want to go.

992
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:06,240
 The strain that Ryan Road feels today really only during the peak hours, because most of

993
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,160
 the time you drive Ryan, there's not that many people on it.

994
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,640
 But when people are dropping off kids at school, it backs up significantly when people are

995
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,040
 trying to get to work or come home from work, it does back up at the intersections.

996
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,800
 And there's a new development, right?

997
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,880
 There are a lot of new developments.

998
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,880
 Yes, ma'am.

999
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,880
 Ryan Road, yes.

1000
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:24,880
 Yes.

1001
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,880
 Right on the other side.

1002
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,880
 Yeah, you can.

1003
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:27,880
 You can actually see it over here.

1004
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:28,880
 So there's Ryan Road that sits right there.

1005
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:29,880
 And that green spot.

1006
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,880
 And that green spot.

1007
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:31,880
 It is.

1008
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,880
 Right.

1009
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,880
 It's developed.

1010
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:42,760
 Are we still planning to do a park in the future along 377, just to the north of that?

1011
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:43,760
 Yes.

1012
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,560
 So that park is this square you see right here.

1013
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,000
 And that's part of the discussion that we're having with the development that is coming

1014
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,600
 in this area is how it connects to the park.

1015
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,440
 How do we connect the park and the trail system to the overall roadway network?

1016
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,760
 We're working with the Parks Department to make sure that that's not neglected.

1017
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,780
 It absolutely is a part of the overall plan.

1018
01:01:02,780 --> 01:01:06,360
 How do you get all modes of transportation throughout the network?

1019
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,040
 There's a fire station on that map right there.

1020
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,040
 It is.

1021
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,400
 It is just up here.

1022
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,400
 That's it right there.

1023
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,400
 That dot.

1024
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,400
 That's Vintage Boulevard right there.

1025
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,400
 Right.

1026
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:22,880
 Are there any projects in play to build up southeast end?

1027
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,880
 Where in particular?

1028
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,000
 I'm going to say off of Robertson, McKinney, in between those areas.

1029
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,880
 Robertson and McKinney, that really we're targeting with more of the neighborhood streets,

1030
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,400
 the local streets program, and we'll get into that here in a minute.

1031
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:43,000
 That's one of the areas that we have proposed to go into this bond program.

1032
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,040
 Okay.

1033
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,760
 So in general, that's the project we have for Hickory Creek Road.

1034
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,640
 Again, it's one of those that we're leveraging the most amount of dollars.

1035
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,760
 So we put the city's contribution to work in the biggest way.

1036
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,760
 Yes, ma'am.

1037
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,200
 So in the green segment, there's an elementary school.

1038
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,200
 Yes.

1039
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:06,200
 How is that being considered in the whole overall plan because that's going to be a

1040
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,200
 major thoroughfare?

1041
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,840
 So that's actually getting a signal at that intersection.

1042
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,760
 That's part of the current project going into construction today.

1043
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:20,240
 Boy, that goes through and I can get you pop a Murphy's like that.

1044
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,600
 Any other questions on this?

1045
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,600
 Just real quick.

1046
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:23,600
 Yes, ma'am.

1047
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:29,680
 Is there, will we be able to receive a breakout of where the funding is coming from?

1048
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,280
 Yes, that's a little bit later in the presentation.

1049
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,760
 It's more projected, but those conversations are happening.

1050
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,200
 While we don't have the dollars totally committed yet, it's conversations where everybody's

1051
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,200
 very interested.

1052
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,720
 Now, the money we're asking for here would build half of that roadway you see in blue.

1053
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,680
 It would get the bridges in place, it would build the road.

1054
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,840
 Unless you still have a complete roadway when these dollars are approved, you'd still have

1055
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,600
 a project that's a workable project, it would just be more of us relying on development

1056
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,600
 to come in the future to help build the rest of the roadway.

1057
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,440
 So with Bonnie Bray, we're just widening it for now, but we'll have space to expand to

1058
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,040
 possibly six lanes later.

1059
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,040
 Yes.

1060
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,040
 Here, we're going straight up to six.

1061
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,000
 Is there a specific reason that we didn't do four lanes?

1062
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,600
 That's an option we have presented to council.

1063
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,080
 The direction we got from council was for the marginal increase in cost, why not go

1064
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,000
 ahead and put the six lanes in today and just be ready for what's coming?

1065
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,400
 What's the design speed?

1066
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,400
 Design speed?

1067
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,800
 I don't have that in front of me right now.

1068
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,800
 Most likely.

1069
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,720
 How about we take a 10-minute break?

1070
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,280
 I think that'd be great, because the next one coming up is probably going to take all

1071
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,280
 of an hour.

1072
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,280
 Okay.

1073
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,280
 All right.

1074
01:03:50,280 --> 01:04:06,000
 So let's adjourn or let's reconvene at 714, and we're back.

1075
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,640
 All right.

1076
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,360
 So closing up the discussions of Hickory and Bonnie Bray, we're going to move on to local

1077
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,360
 streets.

1078
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,540
 Go ahead, Priti.

1079
01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:23,760
 Which is definitely the part we look forward to the most tonight, is talking about local

1080
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:24,760
 streets.

1081
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,640
 So on the top, there's two maps on the far left over there, my left and your right.

1082
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,800
 That map on the far left, your far right, my far left, is the same map you're seeing

1083
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,160
 up here on the screen.

1084
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:42,600
 What that map shows are all of the roadway segments that are city-owned roadway segments

1085
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:50,780
 within the city and their OCI, their overall condition index.

1086
01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:57,640
 So we rank each score based on a grade, 0 to 100, just like in school.

1087
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,280
 That score tells us basically the health of the road.

1088
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,920
 There are really two components to that score.

1089
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,360
 If it were just the pavement and how good a condition the pavement was in, it would

1090
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,400
 be a PCI, a pavement condition index.

1091
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:16,340
 This is an OCI, and what makes it an OCI, overall condition index, is that we're looking

1092
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:21,080
 at the ride quality of the road.

1093
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,680
 What that really means is, is it smooth?

1094
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,400
 Does it pass a certain test of how smooth that road is?

1095
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,080
 Why is that important?

1096
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,120
 It's important because it adds additional stress to the road.

1097
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:39,680
 So if you can imagine, if there's something sticking up in front of you when you're walking

1098
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,040
 and you stub your toe, you've done two things, right?

1099
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,820
 It's hurt you, and then whatever you've hit, it either moves or it falls away, or maybe

1100
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:51,400
 it doesn't if it's really that hard and you just didn't see it, but there's some damage

1101
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,400
 done to that.

1102
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:57,920
 So your kid leaves a toy out there or a variety of other things and might drop something away.

1103
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,480
 You kick it with your foot, it hurts you like it would a car when it's driving down the

1104
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,480
 roadway.

1105
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,320
 It takes more punishment throughout its drive if those conditions are not met, like potholes,

1106
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,320
 right?

1107
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,560
 Everybody's driven over those and you feel that one.

1108
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,960
 But the road takes a beating.

1109
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,840
 Now, not to the extreme as a pothole, when your tire goes into a pothole, it hits the

1110
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,360
 other side of the pothole and it can cause it to fracture more, which then allows other

1111
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,960
 things to happen.

1112
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,520
 But just being rough, so a piece of the roadway, say we build a concrete roadway and we don't

1113
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,720
 finish it appropriately, it's got some humps or some things in it, then your tire hits

1114
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,720
 that over time.

1115
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,440
 It does other things to the pavement that causes what we would call additional stress,

1116
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,080
 and it causes the road to break down a little faster.

1117
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:45,480
 So the smoother the roadway, the better the ride quality, the better the score, the better

1118
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,680
 life we expect to get out of that roadway.

1119
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:54,480
 Just like if you're walking and running down a really rough pavement, you feel it in your

1120
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,120
 legs and your knees.

1121
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:02,240
 If it's a nice smooth roadway or a nice smooth beach, then you don't feel it as hard on your

1122
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,240
 own body parts.

1123
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,800
 Cars are the same way, roads are the same way.

1124
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,560
 They have that same kind of condition.

1125
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,680
 Every five years or four to six years depends on where it falls in the budget schedule.

1126
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,360
 We have this nice truck that comes through by a company, IMS.

1127
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,800
 They drive throughout the city and they assess the condition, the overall health of the roadway,

1128
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,280
 the entire roadway network.

1129
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,700
 They also pick up a few other things that we get.

1130
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,560
 We don't do that just yet, but we will be in the next round.

1131
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:30,560
 We didn't last time.

1132
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:36,600
 The last time we assessed our pavement was in 2015.

1133
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:42,160
 As you can imagine, over time, roads have degraded from what their score was almost

1134
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,580
 five years ago, four years ago for sure.

1135
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:51,800
 The way we deal with that instead of spending $150,000 to $200,000 every year to have the

1136
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,960
 roadway reassessed, and it takes them three months to do that, so then how viable are

1137
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:03,120
 your results, is we also rely on some computer modeling that is tied into GIS, or geographic

1138
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,240
 information software, and it allows us to build in how's that roadway going to break

1139
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,080
 down over time, what we would expect.

1140
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:17,680
 If it already has a really low grade, if it's 25 or lower, then you would expect it to be

1141
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:22,680
 on the extreme lower health end, and any more damage that it gets over that next four or

1142
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,760
 five years, it's just going to get worse.

1143
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,080
 On the other side, very extreme high end, something that's really healthy, it can take

1144
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,880
 a lot more punishment before you have to do something to it, give it a rest, or let it

1145
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,040
 rehabilitate in some way.

1146
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:39,080
 Roadways do the exact same thing.

1147
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:44,240
 We use this assessment to double check where our roadways are, and we do that every five

1148
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,240
 years.

1149
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:50,280
 We have the next one coming up this next fiscal year, so you will see this truck driving around,

1150
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:55,920
 maybe two or three of them driving around town to collect that data.

1151
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,800
 So the pavement life cycle, so we just talked about that software that in 2015, all the

1152
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:08,320
 roadways that we had an assessment for, what was its actual health grade in the field,

1153
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,520
 what we've done since then is we do visual inspections, or when we go do construction,

1154
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:13,960
 we actually go and test it.

1155
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,680
 We drill holes in it to see what's actually under there, and we get a better idea of what

1156
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,400
 to build in its place.

1157
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,360
 Most pavements, so you notice there's no timeline here, that's because pavements come in different

1158
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,360
 varieties, right?

1159
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:31,200
 So there's concrete and asphalt are the two primary versions of a roadway you see.

1160
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,360
 They typically have a similar life cycle pattern.

1161
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,660
 So when they're brand new, they get a score of 100, they're in excellent condition.

1162
01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:44,920
 They perform really well, but just like anything, over time as you drive more cars over it,

1163
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:51,840
 as it's exposed to the weather, things settle underneath it, that road starts to degrade.

1164
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:57,200
 So over 40% of its pavement life, you're going to see a small degradation.

1165
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:02,300
 It's going to move into this very good range, on that 85 range, 80 to 85.

1166
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:06,280
 Still a good road, but we need to do some minor maintenance to it, and I can push that

1167
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,800
 back up closer to 100.

1168
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,960
 I'm not going to get back to perfect.

1169
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,240
 That's just almost impossible to always get, but I'll get close.

1170
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,480
 That prolongs the life of the pavement the earlier I catch it.

1171
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,720
 So to give you an idea, asphalt, we expect typically to last 20 to 25 years if I don't

1172
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,200
 do anything to it.

1173
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:30,240
 Now 20 to 25 years means that at 40% of its life, by the time I hit eight years, I need

1174
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:35,000
 to do something to it, or I'm going to fall into this range here, where I go very quickly

1175
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,000
 from very good to poor.

1176
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,000
 And then if I neglect it even further, I move further down that curve to where I'm in that

1177
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000
 very poor range.

1178
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,280
 And that's where we get into these OCI scores of 30 and less.

1179
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,200
 There are those roadways that have the big potholes.

1180
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,920
 You start to see whole sections seem to have big ruts and grooves in it, and that's where

1181
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,740
 the foundation has failed for a variety of reasons.

1182
01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:02,200
 There are a whole host of things that can happen to the pavement, and if we don't stay

1183
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,120
 on top of it, then you start to see things like we've seen historically.

1184
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,600
 Now what you have seen is City of Denton has been very good over the last six years, eight

1185
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,360
 years of really investing in a maintenance program.

1186
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:20,280
 So these bond projects, these debt-funded shots in the arm, so to speak, allows us to

1187
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:26,040
 take those really bad streets and push them back up into a high category so that I can

1188
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,760
 then do heavy maintenance to it.

1189
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:33,320
 We can put them under a real robust maintenance program like we're operating today, so those

1190
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,680
 roadways will last longer.

1191
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,580
 I'll give you an idea of what we're talking about.

1192
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:43,480
 So this lovely chart here, I'm sure it was an engineer who put it together, because it

1193
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:48,800
 makes all the sense in the world to me, and I will attempt to interpret as much as I can.

1194
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:54,080
 So the blue line you see here, we're grading now one segment of roadway, some fictional

1195
01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:02,640
 roadway, a lane of it, that lasts over, we're just looking at a 50-year snapshot, okay,

1196
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,280
 50 years of an asphalt roadway.

1197
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,280
 Concrete is similar.

1198
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,580
 It's just a little bit longer lifespan.

1199
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:11,160
 We expect concrete to last 30 to 40 years.

1200
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,200
 So if I do, and this is what I warned you earlier, we'd see some of these engineering

1201
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:23,000
 terms, BST, so if that's bituminous or asphalt, surface treatment, that's a very technical

1202
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,400
 term that makes it sound like we actually went to college and know what we're talking

1203
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,400
 about.

1204
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,520
 What it really means is I'm basically changing the oil in the car, okay?

1205
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,720
 These are the things that are fairly low cost, very quick, that I can turn around a roadway

1206
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,680
 in a day or less.

1207
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,360
 You may have seen one of these trucks that run through town, Intermountain Slurry Seals,

1208
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,000
 our current contractor, you'll see it on the sides of the truck.

1209
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,040
 He drives down the street and everybody calls in and says, "Hey, why are you shutting our

1210
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,040
 road down?

1211
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,640
 You just were out here five years ago."

1212
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,120
 Then the next time they go outside, they're already gone.

1213
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,200
 That's a surface treatment.

1214
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,800
 That's designed to prolong the life of that roadway.

1215
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,640
 What we had done five years ago had taken us months to reconstruct from the foundation

1216
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:05,880
 all the way back up.

1217
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,640
 I've now given it new life for another five or six years before I got to do it again that

1218
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,880
 will potentially allow that roadway to last 40 years or 50 years in the future, as long

1219
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,880
 as I keep it under that continuous maintenance program.

1220
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,920
 Is that basically the oil on the rocks, like they do on the highways where they just pour

1221
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:24,920
 oil?

1222
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:25,920
 That's chip seal.

1223
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:26,920
 No, that's chip seal.

1224
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:27,920
 That's different.

1225
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:28,920
 I hate that, but yeah.

1226
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:29,920
 No, that's chip seal.

1227
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,040
 I hate that too, but yes, that's chip seal.

1228
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,260
 What you will see is if you have a very robust maintenance program, and we do, we have one

1229
01:13:37,260 --> 01:13:38,260
 that has been in place.

1230
01:13:38,260 --> 01:13:42,640
 Now, there are a variety of reasons why we haven't made as much progress.

1231
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,080
 It's a long history of roadways that have just needed to be redone.

1232
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,980
 When you start putting a maintenance program together, you're going to have to give it

1233
01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:54,040
 some shots in the arm to get these really poor streets up into that upper range where

1234
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:58,080
 the maintenance program can run it.

1235
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:03,280
 Let's take our fictional street, if I were to put, say, $9,000 one year, five or six

1236
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:08,160
 years later, I put another $9,000 into it, and then I give it what we call an overlay.

1237
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,560
 What that really means is I'm just going to put a little bit of asphalt on top.

1238
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,960
 I might even mill an overlay, which means I'll shave a couple of inches off and add

1239
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,880
 two more inches of asphalt on top.

1240
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,040
 I've basically given that road another massive shot in the arm.

1241
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,440
 That's why you see it shoot up a little higher.

1242
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:27,640
 Those are different gradations or different levels of maintenance.

1243
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:28,640
 It's not just an oil change.

1244
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,600
 Now I'm rotating the tires and changing the oil all at the same time.

1245
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:39,840
 Those things are occurring in the same 25-year span where if I just let that road go, I might

1246
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,960
 have to spend $300,000 on it.

1247
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,060
 I've spent a third of that cost.

1248
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:50,160
 You project that over 50 years, it just compounds on top of itself.

1249
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,120
 That's what the two programs are trying to do.

1250
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,960
 You've got roadways that are still falling into the poor condition.

1251
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,840
 You're never going to have a roadway like this chart seems to imply that you can have

1252
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,120
 a road that lasts for thousands of years.

1253
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,960
 That will not happen.

1254
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,680
 It might still be in existence like the roads are, but would you really want to drive it?

1255
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,840
 I guarantee if you drove those roads today, there wouldn't be a road behind it when you

1256
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:14,840
 drove over it.

1257
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,560
 There just wouldn't be.

1258
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:22,080
 They do have a lifespan ultimately, but we can prolong their life and minimize the cost,

1259
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:27,000
 marginalize the cost to our residents and our businesses by putting it down to a really

1260
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,920
 robust program that's not debt funded.

1261
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,840
 That's our operations and maintenance budget.

1262
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:38,680
 That's what we do every year to keep those roadways in a very healthy condition.

1263
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,760
 Then I get to these roadways that they just need the help.

1264
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,280
 That's what this program is seeking to do.

1265
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,040
 Give another shot in the arm to these roadways that need to be brought back up to where I

1266
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,920
 can maintain them over the long-term.

1267
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,080
 We have ... Somebody asked for a histogram.

1268
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,720
 We have a histogram today.

1269
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,200
 That is what this is right here, but it's a very good suggestion and it's a good way

1270
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:05,200
 to break this out.

1271
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:10,760
 I'm glad it was brought up, and me as an engineer, I love them.

1272
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,560
 What you have are the different gradations we just talked about and a description of

1273
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,640
 what they really mean.

1274
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,760
 For an asphalt street, you're going to have a 25-year lifespan.

1275
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,600
 I can change those years that I expect to do these work based on concrete by taking

1276
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:28,920
 the 40 years and then applying that 40%, 15, of the things on the other chart, and do the

1277
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:33,000
 same thing here, and I can do the exact same thing for concrete.

1278
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,000
 Different levels of maintenance.

1279
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,440
 If I have to do very light maintenance, that slurry seal we talked about, coming in and

1280
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:44,880
 just putting it ... You see the little funny looking lines we put on the roadway, dark

1281
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:45,880
 pavement.

1282
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,960
 All of a sudden, you all come out and trace with something on the ground.

1283
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,440
 That's to fill in cracks that appear in the pavement, whether it's concrete or asphalt.

1284
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,120
 We do that for a very big reason.

1285
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:57,480
 You don't want water getting in there.

1286
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,880
 If water gets in there, especially if water gets in there and then it freezes, like we

1287
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:07,080
 get once a year for about an hour, it does cause that pavement because water expands

1288
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,160
 when it freezes.

1289
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,360
 It causes that pavement to then start break in those conditions.

1290
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,640
 Once that break gets bigger, then the tires themselves start to make it bigger and bigger

1291
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,500
 and it just gets worse.

1292
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:21,920
 Those crack seals are there for that reason to try to prevent that water from getting

1293
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:22,920
 in.

1294
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,800
 It's a normal part of maintenance.

1295
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:30,240
 The roadways we're talking about going into the next bond program, this bond program,

1296
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,680
 are these roads that have an OCI or a health score of 30 or less.

1297
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,640
 They're in this red end right here.

1298
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:45,640
 It totals to about 360 segments.

1299
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:50,160
 In total, what we're proposing as part of this program is an assessment of about 115

1300
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,160
 lane miles.

1301
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,920
 You see at the top here, it says 162.

1302
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,400
 That was the snapshot when this was put together two or three months ago based on projects

1303
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,340
 in the 2012 bond that we're finishing.

1304
01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:06,120
 Those get pulled out and get pushed up to the green side, and that's why they're not

1305
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:12,120
 into the equation when we start talking about what are we proposing to do going forward.

1306
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,120
 Any questions here?

1307
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,120
 Okay.

1308
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,120
 All right.

1309
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,680
 We wore you out with bonny brain hickory creek.

1310
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:20,680
 Sorry.

1311
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:33,840
 I'll come up with one if you ... So you said 115 lane miles that fall in that very low

1312
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,840
 range.

1313
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:35,840
 Oh, okay.

1314
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,320
 I thought you were saying 115 that you were proposing to redo with the 35 million.

1315
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,320
 No, no.

1316
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:42,320
 Okay.

1317
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,320
 Got it.

1318
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:44,320
 We're about to get into that.

1319
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,320
 Okay.

1320
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,320
 I have a question.

1321
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,320
 Yes, ma'am.

1322
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:52,900
 Is there any plan to change your asphalt to concrete or any other practice surface?

1323
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:55,280
 It depends on where you are.

1324
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,240
 Our current philosophy and for a variety of reasons is that we would really prefer that

1325
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:03,540
 the major roadways go down the asphalt pathway and that your residential neighborhood streets

1326
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:05,760
 go down a concrete pathway.

1327
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,920
 That being that the traffic is lighter so the need to actually do any kind of maintenance

1328
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,720
 to reconstruct is very minimal.

1329
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,640
 So you have 40 years where we don't have to come park in your driveway and make it impossible

1330
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,400
 to go to the grocery store for a little while while we river the road.

1331
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,760
 Then on a major roadway, the advantage of an asphalt roadway, the cost is about the

1332
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,080
 same.

1333
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,560
 Over the long term, the maintenance is about the same.

1334
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:35,400
 The difference is I have to maintain asphalt roadways more frequently.

1335
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,440
 It's just more expensive to maintain a concrete road because I have to replace a whole piece

1336
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,560
 of the road versus asphalt.

1337
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,320
 I got a lot of other options that can be done very quickly.

1338
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:52,720
 If I reconstruct an asphalt roadway, if you think of Carroll Boulevard, it's all concrete.

1339
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:57,600
 If I have to go replace something in Carroll, I've got to shut down a whole lane of Carroll

1340
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,320
 for a month to a month and a half on waiting on concrete to get set up.

1341
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:07,080
 Now, if I do asphalt, the trade-off of asphalt is you could be driving on it within a couple

1342
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:11,560
 of days and I can do long stretches very quickly.

1343
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,920
 If I think about where the heaviest traffic is and the high volume users where I want

1344
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,480
 to have the least amount of impact where I'm really doing this work, I want to do it where

1345
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:24,280
 I can turn the road back over to use much quicker.

1346
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,720
 So any concept of that going down for Bonnie Bray or any of the other road projects?

1347
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:29,720
 Yes, ma'am.

1348
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,720
 Awesome.

1349
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,720
 I have a question.

1350
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:38,420
 So of the 115 lane miles that are under 30 OCI right now, let's say we had the money

1351
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:43,560
 and the time and the staffing and all of that to just redo them all tomorrow.

1352
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,760
 Approximately how much would that cost based on the average cost to reconstruct a lane

1353
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,760
 mile?

1354
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,360
 If you'll bear with me, we're going to get to that.

1355
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,360
 Oh, we're going to get to that.

1356
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:52,360
 Okay.

1357
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,440
 We absolutely are going to get there.

1358
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:02,160
 All right, so what you have in front of you here are three options that as a staff we've

1359
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:07,080
 been digging into as to what can we do?

1360
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:13,200
 There are multiple ways that we can go about trying to get our arms around and fixing those

1361
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,280
 OCI streets that have a health score lower than 30.

1362
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:21,040
 One way is what we did in 2012 and 2014 and I would call the shotgun approach.

1363
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,860
 I just said, what are the worst streets?

1364
01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:24,640
 I don't care where they are.

1365
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,440
 I don't care who it impacts, where are the worst ones and we'll go do those.

1366
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:30,440
 Worst first.

1367
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:31,440
 Worst first.

1368
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,440
 Here's the problem.

1369
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:39,760
 If the worst one ends up here and then another worst one ends up over here, I haven't done

1370
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,660
 anything with the roadway in between it.

1371
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:49,680
 So the reality is, is I go do this project in 2014 on this side and on this side and

1372
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,920
 then I come back in 2019 or 2020 after I've already made everybody mad once and guess

1373
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:55,920
 what?

1374
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,820
 I'm going to come back and do it again and I might do another segment because it hadn't

1375
01:21:58,820 --> 01:22:00,160
 fallen into that range yet.

1376
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:05,480
 I might come back again another five years later to do that segment.

1377
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:09,600
 So part of where our maintenance dollars have gone over the last five or six years is try

1378
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,680
 to close that gap where we could by taking those segments that weren't accounted for

1379
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:19,040
 in the 2012 and 2014 bond program and connecting them.

1380
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:23,920
 It's also why it's taken us longer to get through the 2012 and 2014 bond program.

1381
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:29,840
 We've actually done more roads than what was just identified in those programs.

1382
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,960
 Does that make sense?

1383
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,360
 So that is one option.

1384
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:37,500
 We could do that again.

1385
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:41,600
 We could do the shotgun approach and we could just go hit everything that's low because

1386
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,480
 they are the neediest children out there.

1387
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,080
 We could go do that.

1388
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:51,160
 Another option would be okay, let's partner with our other infrastructure providers like

1389
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:56,720
 water, wastewater, drainage and let's say what's on their host of projects, what's their

1390
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,240
 CIP program look like because a water line has the same problem a roadway has, right?

1391
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:02,840
 It's going to fall apart over some time.

1392
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,440
 It will last 40, 50 years and at some point you've got to go replace it or it breaks a

1393
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,440
 lot.

1394
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:11,500
 Once you get one break, the likelihood you get another one is very good.

1395
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:15,480
 So you end up replacing segments of other pieces of utilities and what's been a problem

1396
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:20,080
 in the past is the water department had their program, the wastewater department had their

1397
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,080
 program, streets had their program, and drains had their program and everybody's doing their

1398
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:29,600
 program and nobody's looking at a cohesive way of doing them together.

1399
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:36,440
 So I go tear up your street now and then four months later wastewater comes in and they

1400
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:40,240
 do the same thing and you think well I'm done with construction, where did you guys come

1401
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:41,240
 from?

1402
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,680
 And then six months after they're done, streets comes in and they do their part.

1403
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:49,840
 So we're there for a very long time and every time one of us leaves you think I'm done but

1404
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,400
 then somebody else comes.

1405
01:23:53,400 --> 01:24:00,080
 That is one problem with having aging infrastructure throughout the entire city limits, all of

1406
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,080
 them at different ages.

1407
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:05,880
 It's things from 100 years old all the way up to just installed yesterday and they all

1408
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:06,880
 have different issues.

1409
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,340
 They have different problems that we're trying to deal with and try to merging those efforts.

1410
01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:15,600
 So one of the options we put together was what I would call the most efficient way of

1411
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,480
 doing it, at least our version of it I'm sure, there are other options and that was we work

1412
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,760
 with water, we work with wastewater, where are their needs, where are the lowest OCI

1413
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:29,280
 streets, how do we combine those two efforts together and while I may not be able to get

1414
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:35,360
 every one of the lowest OCI streets, I'm only going to impact a certain area for the maximum

1415
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,200
 amount of time, one time, and then I don't come back for say 20 or 30 years unless I'm

1416
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,240
 doing maintenance, you know, there's a main break or something happens that I need to

1417
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,600
 go take care of, I might come back then but I'm not totally tearing up the roadway for

1418
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,360
 long periods of time and then coming back and doing it again.

1419
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:59,160
 I think that's the most efficient way of all of the user fees and tax dollars is doing

1420
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:00,760
 it that way.

1421
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:01,760
 That's one option.

1422
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,160
 Then there's another option and the other option is kind of a mix of both and when you

1423
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:11,600
 start getting into the mix of both, we do locations, we can combine all those efforts

1424
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:16,120
 all together, take on what I would call take on an entire neighborhood at one time.

1425
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,040
 So if I'm coming into your neighborhood, I'm taking into your entire neighborhood for one

1426
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,160
 period of time, we get all this work done and then I don't want to come back and bother

1427
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,760
 you for another 30 years.

1428
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,760
 That's one way.

1429
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:32,640
 If I combine the two, then I'm going to be leaving some of the neediest out but not as

1430
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:37,200
 many as I would when I'm in that most efficient state, the more efficient way of doing it,

1431
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,720
 at least in our opinion.

1432
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:44,600
 But I'm also not going to miss some of the opportunities of being as efficient as possible.

1433
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:51,080
 So we're going to dive into those just a little bit and get into that a little bit more.

1434
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:58,600
 So if I go with the shotgun approach, everything under 30 when it comes to an OCI.

1435
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:04,520
 And one of the things I do want to make sure that we're cognizant of is when we're talking

1436
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:10,160
 about a 30 OCI today or lower, that's that projected OCI we talked about.

1437
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,280
 The machine came through and told us what the health was five years ago, almost five

1438
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,280
 years ago.

1439
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,480
 We've projected what its health is today, both through visual inspection and what our

1440
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:23,060
 models are telling us is most likely happening under the pavement.

1441
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:24,360
 So they're projecting.

1442
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:29,660
 When we actually get the revised survey done, we may find some of these are better shaped

1443
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:32,280
 than others and others may be worse than what we think.

1444
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,920
 That'll dovetail with making a better model for the future as well.

1445
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:42,320
 But that being the case, if we take what we are projecting today to be those 30 OCI streets

1446
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,220
 and less, you have several advantage going down that path.

1447
01:26:46,220 --> 01:26:48,400
 We get the lowest, the worst done first.

1448
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:49,960
 We get them all done.

1449
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:54,080
 So we take those 30 OCI streets and we move them into the very good column, the excellent

1450
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,760
 column and say, those are finished.

1451
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:56,760
 I'm not coming back to touch them.

1452
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,120
 And now they're in a good maintenance program.

1453
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:03,360
 So I shouldn't have to deal with that for a much longer time period.

1454
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,320
 There are some disadvantages to that.

1455
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,440
 I'm not getting those connections necessarily, right?

1456
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,800
 So I'm here, I'm here, I'm there.

1457
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,880
 I'm also losing some economies of scale, right?

1458
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,840
 So economies of scale.

1459
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,480
 If I can keep a contractor from driving from this side of town to that side of town and

1460
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,200
 figuring out where he's going to store his materials and when he's got to have available

1461
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:26,040
 when and where I'm going to get a better price because he can stay here in a much smaller

1462
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,520
 area for longer and then move on to the next project.

1463
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,960
 If he's moving all over town, he's paying fuel prices.

1464
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,560
 He's trying to get his suppliers to pay the exact same.

1465
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,880
 There's a lot of things that happen and making much more difficult.

1466
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,240
 Combine that with when I take the shotgun approach, I'm going to have a lot of streets

1467
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,760
 under construction and all kinds of different areas.

1468
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:50,720
 And it's very hard for us to start planning what would alternative routes be.

1469
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,520
 That leads to that construction fatigue, right?

1470
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,120
 So you get tired of seeing the orange cones and the orange cones are going to be here

1471
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,160
 for a while.

1472
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,720
 Those orange cones, when they're everywhere, get you frustrated because it's like, where

1473
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:03,720
 do I go next?

1474
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,720
 Right?

1475
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:05,720
 Where do I go now?

1476
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:11,240
 As opposed to I get into a methodology that allows me to plan more strategically where

1477
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,320
 that construction is going to happen and I can give better alternative routes for longer

1478
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:16,320
 periods.

1479
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,080
 I can adjust signal timing.

1480
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:22,480
 I can take advantage of some natural flow patterns that would change.

1481
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,800
 And I can make those improvements strategically along the way.

1482
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:31,240
 So I lose that when I take the shotgun approach because I'm basically putting out fire everywhere

1483
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,160
 I go and I'm just going.

1484
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:41,080
 To give you an idea of the cost, if I were in these ranges are zero to five, take the

1485
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,080
 absolute worst.

1486
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:48,080
 We got three streets that fall into that category, they have an OCI projected less than five.

1487
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,080
 Right?

1488
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,040
 I don't know how they're holding together is what we're basically saying.

1489
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:57,320
 So to redo those roads, now there are less traveled roadways.

1490
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,200
 They're kind of on the outskirts town so they really hadn't had as much of the maintenance

1491
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:02,200
 over time.

1492
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,400
 And that's part of the reason why they're incurring that cost.

1493
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,400
 It's got a lower cost because they are smaller segments.

1494
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,880
 They're not as heavily traveled.

1495
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,860
 So it's a different, it's not like I'm replacing four lanes of a roadway, right?

1496
01:29:12,860 --> 01:29:14,720
 It's a very small roadway.

1497
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,740
 You got a million dollar cost wrapped up in those three roads because they are that bad.

1498
01:29:17,740 --> 01:29:19,600
 And then we got to redo it.

1499
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,800
 You got the next category, zero to ten, that includes the zero to five and adds the next

1500
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,280
 category or projecting that's about a five million dollar investment to bring those roadways

1501
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,280
 up.

1502
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:34,720
 This is, as you come down, you're just seeing the overall cost of if I went zero to 15,

1503
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,680
 zero to 20, zero to 30.

1504
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:42,920
 So if I did all the things, all of the roadways that are under that 30 cap, I'm looking at

1505
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:49,200
 a 95 million dollar outlay to bring those roads back up into that excellent condition, ready

1506
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,520
 to engage in the maintenance program.

1507
01:29:53,520 --> 01:30:02,600
 What drives the difference in dollar per lane mile as you step through the table here?

1508
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:07,520
 We've generated a cost based on those roadways that's built into the program and that's a

1509
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:08,520
 variety of issues.

1510
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:13,480
 And Danny can actually get into that a little bit more detail, but it might be better to

1511
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:14,800
 issue that as a separate statement.

1512
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:19,000
 We just want to hear all of it, but it's probably more interesting to you and me.

1513
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,200
 Well, I mean, I could imagine at a high level that the roads that are worse off now probably

1514
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,520
 need more work than the roads that are...

1515
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,520
 They do.

1516
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,520
 To repair the sensor.

1517
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,760
 It's a variety of things that go into that and there's a projected amount.

1518
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:36,040
 So the issue is that I'm not going to be able to resolve all of those.

1519
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,560
 I have a contingency built into these numbers just like we did with the other roadways,

1520
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,320
 but there are a variety of conditions we're dealing with.

1521
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:50,480
 So coming off of Bell Street, turning onto Robertson, I know I'm stuck on Robertson Street.

1522
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:54,440
 So the first thing you see is welcome to Southeast Denton.

1523
01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:59,560
 The second thing you see is a huge crater pothole that's right there that's been there

1524
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,360
 for ages.

1525
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,880
 When are we going to repair that or get that fixed?

1526
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:09,240
 Because I know we've been going and having different meetings and we've been saying that

1527
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,920
 it's going to get on the maintenance list and it's going to get done.

1528
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,080
 Just be patient.

1529
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,660
 This has been a year since I've been going.

1530
01:31:17,660 --> 01:31:19,760
 So this pothole has been there before then.

1531
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,240
 So when is that going to get repaired?

1532
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,160
 We'll go take a look at it tomorrow.

1533
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,800
 I can't tell you the timeline on that right here, right this moment.

1534
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,800
 I'd have to...

1535
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,680
 Danny and his team would have to go assess that.

1536
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,960
 But you've got the right two guys in here to say, "Hey, somebody go take a look at this

1537
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:33,960
 now."

1538
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:34,960
 Please.

1539
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:35,960
 Thank you.

1540
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:42,320
 So would that be an example of the zero to five for the OCI?

1541
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,320
 It might not be.

1542
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,320
 There's a variety of reasons.

1543
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,120
 When we're looking at this OCI score, it's the entire segment.

1544
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,880
 So it'd be from one intersection to another intersection.

1545
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,600
 A pothole might have a variety of causes.

1546
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,640
 And when it starts small and you don't catch it small, it just gets bigger and bigger and

1547
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:57,640
 bigger.

1548
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,080
 And obviously, this is one that needs to be taken care of.

1549
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,400
 Other things could have happened too.

1550
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,680
 You could have had what we call a base failure, which means the foundation of the road for

1551
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:09,200
 whatever reason starts to crumble or it fails or subsides.

1552
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:14,240
 And then the pavement, which is just a bridge over a gap now, falls with it.

1553
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:15,640
 That could have happened for some other reasons.

1554
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:20,560
 There's a whole host of conditions that could happen to make that work.

1555
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:24,080
 And assessment of that on an individual basis is really what it calls for.

1556
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,680
 So we just have to go out and take a look at it and see what's really causing it.

1557
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,640
 Are you talking about like sinkholes?

1558
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,240
 No, not like a sinkhole.

1559
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,240
 That can happen.

1560
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,200
 But a pothole can develop for a variety of reasons.

1561
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,880
 So sometimes you do have water that flows through the dirt, right?

1562
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:38,880
 So it's groundwater.

1563
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,040
 We've all heard of that.

1564
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,640
 If something may have changed in a drainage pattern, that might have caused it.

1565
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,040
 More traffic than normal.

1566
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:50,380
 So for instance, I know we've had a lot of concrete panels on Bell under construction

1567
01:32:50,380 --> 01:32:54,280
 being repaired to that segment, which has caused some diversion of traffic as they try

1568
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,640
 to figure out how to get around.

1569
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,680
 When you got more traffic than normal, the pavement's been sitting dormant for a while.

1570
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,120
 And I know that roadway is on one of these low OCI scores.

1571
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,840
 So now it's got excessive traffic on it that it wasn't intended to have.

1572
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:09,840
 And it's old.

1573
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:10,840
 It needs some work.

1574
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:15,080
 So it just sped up the process of what might have happened if you had just left it alone

1575
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,560
 for another five years.

1576
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:17,560
 Yeah.

1577
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:26,840
 So can I get a map or a list of all the streets that have been repaired or faked by the bond

1578
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:27,840
 projects?

1579
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,960
 And then which ones are part of Southeast Denton?

1580
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:31,560
 As far as the 2012 and 2014?

1581
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:32,560
 Yes, sir.

1582
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:33,560
 There was a map.

1583
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:39,720
 No, there was a list that was published, but the bond booklets in 2014 and 2012.

1584
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:40,720
 And they are available, yes.

1585
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:41,720
 Okay.

1586
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:42,720
 I think they're available on the website, right?

1587
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,720
 You have the 2014?

1588
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,720
 Yeah.

1589
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:45,720
 We can get something to you.

1590
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:46,720
 Thank you.

1591
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,880
 It's also in the first packet right here.

1592
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:51,880
 Okay.

1593
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:59,240
 Also with the part of the bond projects, I know we are fixing quite a few other streets,

1594
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,760
 but is there any part of this bond money going to fix Southeast Denton?

1595
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,240
 I've talked to a few of the people in the community.

1596
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,480
 There's areas in Southeast Denton outside of the tracks that haven't been repaired or

1597
01:34:11,480 --> 01:34:14,480
 had any pavement since the 1960s.

1598
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:16,780
 There's roads still over there that are dirt roads.

1599
01:34:16,780 --> 01:34:20,080
 So do we plan on correcting that or fixing it or paving them?

1600
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:27,000
 In all three of these options, there are roads in that Southeast Denton sector that is in

1601
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,000
 this program.

1602
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,000
 Yes.

1603
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,000
 Okay.

1604
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,000
 Now one is more focused than the others.

1605
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,000
 And you'll see that here in a minute.

1606
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,160
 When we get into the more efficient use, it's more focused to a neighborhood wide solution

1607
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:41,160
 as opposed to let me fix the worst ones here and I'll fix the worst one over here and some

1608
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,880
 of those fall in that Southeast Denton category.

1609
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:44,880
 Okay.

1610
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:51,840
 Any other questions on this scenario?

1611
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,100
 All right.

1612
01:34:56,100 --> 01:35:00,600
 So now let's move into what we were calling the more efficient way of getting these projects

1613
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,600
 done.

1614
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:06,920
 So this was taking a look at where the overall, from a neighborhood perspective, overall worst

1615
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:12,600
 OCIs throughout the city and then centering in on neighborhoods so that when we go into

1616
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:18,840
 the neighborhood, we work an entire neighborhood one time and the intent being that we bring

1617
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:24,040
 all infrastructure up to new or virtually new.

1618
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:29,160
 And that includes water, wastewater, includes storm water and in the streets.

1619
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:34,480
 So what you're seeing here is our first shot at that is you've got different sectors and

1620
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:39,680
 this is not, the numbers on the sectors here has nothing to do with what we deem to be

1621
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,360
 the most important or least important.

1622
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,040
 This is just how it was numbered from top to bottom, somebody threw a number on it.

1623
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:49,360
 So one of those sectors that we're talking about is Southeast Denton, it's that section

1624
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:57,240
 four where there's been an inattention over time from a variety of infrastructure improvements.

1625
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:58,960
 Water, wastewater is included in that.

1626
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,400
 So one of the things you don't see in these numbers here is that there's an additional

1627
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:09,280
 expenditure of funds that come from water and wastewater revenues to make this happen.

1628
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:15,960
 So when we get into say doing, say we're doing section four, we do the roadways, the roadway

1629
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:17,880
 number is here.

1630
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:22,160
 So that's 51 segments, it's approximately 13 lane miles and it's almost $11 million

1631
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:23,840
 worth of roadway improvements.

1632
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:31,120
 What you don't see is the $12 million in water and wastewater improvements that also get

1633
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,200
 tied to that as well because these are just the bond dollars.

1634
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:38,440
 That's a totally different revenue stream but it has an impact because now the water

1635
01:36:38,440 --> 01:36:43,400
 and wastewater program, they have made some changes based on this plan.

1636
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:48,920
 They have a CIP that says well they're going to work their worst and work through that.

1637
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:54,040
 Now we're changing the game saying okay we'll hold off on some of the roadway worst conditions

1638
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,600
 to help you with some of your water and wastewater worst.

1639
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:01,820
 If you'll help us even though your water line might not be bad where our OCI is really bad,

1640
01:37:01,820 --> 01:37:06,600
 if you'll go ahead and do what improvements need to be done there so we don't have to

1641
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:13,680
 come back and do that improvement in 30 years, then what this is is balancing the priorities

1642
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,440
 between the different departments and how do we get the best economies of scale from

1643
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:22,960
 contractors because I've got one contractor in an area so I'm going to get a better price.

1644
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:28,120
 They're there for one time and then I shouldn't have to come back for another 30 or 40 years.

1645
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,920
 If I do, it's for a very specific maintenance, it's somebody had a water main break or a

1646
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,640
 new house got built which is even better, right?

1647
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,700
 A new house gets built and I've got to put in a new water line.

1648
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:41,560
 So those kinds of things are happening but it's not total reconstruction and tearing

1649
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,880
 up the roadways and utilities that are in the ground.

1650
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,800
 So that is what this option is and if you were to take the seven sections presented,

1651
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,520
 we did evaluate these seven sections based on how does that overcome both challenges

1652
01:37:54,520 --> 01:38:00,120
 for the water/wastewater department as well as the needs that we have on the roadway side

1653
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:05,720
 and localize, focus those efforts as efficiently as possible, that's what this option is.

1654
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:13,160
 So the total there would be about a 70 million dollar expenditure to put that into the ground.

1655
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:20,120
 Now one of the things that is a downside here and I don't have a good number, we're working

1656
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:24,600
 on that number, is what does that mean to the overall city's OCI?

1657
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:32,640
 So we talked about 64 is the overall city OCI which across the nation, 60, anything

1658
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:39,280
 between 60 and 70 is considered a very good condition for your entire city network, it's

1659
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:40,280
 a good condition.

1660
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,940
 That's on average, that's what people shoot for, we're shooting for better because the

1661
01:38:44,940 --> 01:38:53,480
 overall cost long term are much more marginalized if I go for a better overall score.

1662
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:59,540
 If I take the shotgun approach, I can get a more efficient means of shooting the OCI

1663
01:38:59,540 --> 01:39:03,840
 up quickly, but the problem is right behind that is that whole group of roads that's in

1664
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,280
 the 30 to 45 range, they're going to start falling into the 0 to 30 range and now I've

1665
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:12,880
 got another 300 or 400 segments that I've got to go do the exact same thing to in six

1666
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:13,880
 years.

1667
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,880
 How is this blue smears?

1668
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,880
 So blue is just…

1669
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,080
 Are there other streets under there?

1670
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:27,360
 So the short answer is that blue line is rich, we should have just put street because that's

1671
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,360
 all it really is.

1672
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:32,960
 It's those roadways under that blue line is the roadway that exists there between 0

1673
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,640
 and 45 on the health score.

1674
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,160
 So all streets under the blue.

1675
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,680
 If it's still above the 45, that's what we would consider part of the maintenance

1676
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:46,820
 program because I have an ability to arrest its degradation quickly and shoot it back

1677
01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:50,500
 up into an acceptable range in that 80 to 90 range.

1678
01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:52,200
 That's why it's not in there.

1679
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,120
 These would be roads we'd do something much more significant to.

1680
01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:02,040
 But it would, again, it would bring the entire neighborhood up to a range where I can prolong

1681
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,440
 its maintenance over the life cycle of its expected life.

1682
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:11,160
 How many of the very poor streets, you've already said it and I didn't catch it, are

1683
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,160
 not going to be addressed?

1684
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,160
 We're going to get there on the next slide.

1685
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:16,160
 Okay.

1686
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:20,880
 All the great questions, perfect segue into the next option.

1687
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:26,160
 So under the next option, and this just gives you an example of if we were to take one of

1688
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,040
 those sections, what would that do?

1689
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:32,920
 We would project it on average because there's also roadways we're not going to touch.

1690
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:40,120
 On average, it would bring the entire neighborhood from say a 30, 27 to 30 OCI up to a 75.

1691
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:46,080
 That would be fairly typical of what we're talking about in this method.

1692
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:51,280
 So this would be staff's recommendation is that we combine both.

1693
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,440
 So that's the hybrid.

1694
01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:54,840
 This is the hybrid option.

1695
01:40:54,840 --> 01:41:01,400
 So if we go into working all purely sections or segments of town or neighborhoods of town,

1696
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:07,600
 which is where we want to be long-term, recognizing that you got roadways that just, they need

1697
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,680
 help now.

1698
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:15,640
 So how do I combine both this neighborhood approach with I got to get some of the absolute

1699
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:21,520
 worst off the books today, but I can't do all of it because if I were to do all of it,

1700
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:28,000
 that's $70 million plus $95 million and that's the whole proposition to right there.

1701
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,440
 So our recommendation is, is you take certain neighborhoods, those that really do have the

1702
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:37,920
 worst worst case scenario infrastructure needs, their roads are deteriorating, their water

1703
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:42,880
 wastewater pieces are older, they're deteriorating and they need to be done.

1704
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:48,440
 So those sectors or neighborhoods of town, we would go do first.

1705
01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:53,520
 Those to me would be the for sure that we go with that approach, but then we still have

1706
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:58,680
 another whole segment of those roadways that fall under 30 OCI that I need to go do something

1707
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:03,640
 to so they don't just, they don't become a safety concern at that point, right?

1708
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,000
 Accidents, damages to vehicles, we don't want that to happen either.

1709
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:11,720
 So I want to go address those other issues and then I'm going to be forced to deal with

1710
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:15,140
 some of the I'll do here and I'll do there and I'm going to miss the in between.

1711
01:42:15,140 --> 01:42:19,400
 I'll be forced to deal with that over the next five or six years as we transition from

1712
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:25,600
 one methodology to a new more efficient methodology where we have less impact on the neighborhoods.

1713
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:31,200
 So what we would propose is if I can get some savings or even potentially on one project

1714
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:37,560
 in the proposition and then potentially maybe there's an increase in the overall, see where

1715
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:45,480
 this where your conversations lead us, that we would take at least the OCI of 15 and less,

1716
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:47,440
 even better 20 and less.

1717
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:55,280
 If I were to take 15 and less, you add up 10.7, 17.9 and 10.8 on these neighborhoods.

1718
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,920
 So those are the three neighborhoods we would recommend today.

1719
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,800
 That's roughly about 39 to $40 million.

1720
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:07,520
 Then you would tag on another 18.2 to hit the 15 and under that are not included in

1721
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:08,520
 those neighborhoods.

1722
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:13,040
 So it's a little bit of both.

1723
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,120
 Are these estimates including inflation and some of the other things?

1724
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:17,120
 Yes.

1725
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:18,120
 Okay.

1726
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:24,160
 And how did you, just out of curiosity, roll out section two versus one, three and four?

1727
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:29,520
 The average on general throughout the neighborhood, the OCI was higher than the others.

1728
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:30,520
 It was very close.

1729
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:35,560
 I mean, you could take any one of these seven and be like, we just need to do all seven.

1730
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,540
 So how do you start picking and choosing, it really came down to where were the most

1731
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:46,020
 coincidence of water, wastewater improvements that needed to be done, worse streets overall

1732
01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:47,940
 throughout the neighborhood.

1733
01:43:47,940 --> 01:43:50,000
 That's where we picked those top three.

1734
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,200
 Total construction fatigue.

1735
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:57,200
 Where's the biggest bang for the buck across all of those improvements?

1736
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:01,920
 And then I want to still plug in those gaps on those really bad streets so that we don't

1737
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,040
 lose some ground on those.

1738
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,740
 We kind of get a little bit of both in this scenario and that's where we would recommend

1739
01:44:08,740 --> 01:44:12,800
 is that we go down this pathway, gearing us up for future bond programs where we get more

1740
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,800
 into the more efficient way of doing these improvements.

1741
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,440
 But this would give us a little bit more of that push to take care of the older, worse

1742
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:22,880
 off streets and put them in the new category.

1743
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:29,640
 So if we went with these highlighted blue sections, can you draw us a map for next time?

1744
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:30,640
 Sure.

1745
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:31,640
 Didn't you have one?

1746
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:32,640
 No.

1747
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,560
 We didn't have one in this presentation.

1748
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,800
 But we can put together a map of what that looks like.

1749
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:41,440
 We just want to come to you with these because we set this up in such a way that we can talk

1750
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,800
 a little bit about how far do you want to go.

1751
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,000
 So we can pick and choose and before we start really laying out a map and what does that

1752
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,840
 really mean, that's really we want to have the conversation with you.

1753
01:44:52,840 --> 01:45:04,280
 Sorry, just to clarify, this staff recommended option, you're still suggesting taking care

1754
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:09,240
 of everything below 20 and those three sections.

1755
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:10,240
 Yes.

1756
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:11,240
 Yes.

1757
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:12,240
 Any feedback?

1758
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:13,240
 Thoughts?

1759
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:14,240
 No, I'm good.

1760
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:15,240
 Southeast end.

1761
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,240
 Southeast end.

1762
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:29,880
 I would note just knowing that area one is between Sherman and Locust.

1763
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:36,360
 That's a low to moderate income neighborhood.

1764
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:44,440
 Three is pretty much north of University, west of Carroll, south of University, west

1765
01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:45,440
 of Carroll.

1766
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:46,440
 Right.

1767
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:47,440
 That's Hagen Hill Grounds.

1768
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:48,440
 Right.

1769
01:45:48,440 --> 01:45:53,320
 And then four is southeast end and downtown end.

1770
01:45:53,320 --> 01:46:05,160
 Basically, east of Carroll and all the way over to just not Woodrow, but just east of

1771
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,160
 Woodrow.

1772
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:07,160
 West of Woodrow.

1773
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:19,200
 I was going to ask, can you make a list of the streets that are in this recommended

1774
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:20,200
 option?

1775
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:25,200
 I think that's what I would need to see because I know there was some streets in red on another

1776
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:29,640
 map that should be in that less than 20 and I just want to make sure they're still in

1777
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:30,640
 that.

1778
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:31,640
 Sure.

1779
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:32,640
 That would help I think.

1780
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:33,640
 We can do that.

1781
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:34,640
 Or mapping.

1782
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:35,640
 A map.

1783
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:36,640
 I'm good with a list.

1784
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,200
 Cause I know where most of the streets are.

1785
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:40,200
 We can provide both.

1786
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:41,200
 It's not that hard.

1787
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,200
 We can do that.

1788
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,880
 Or a really big map with the names of the streets on it.

1789
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:45,880
 Yeah.

1790
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:46,880
 We'll do our best.

1791
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,480
 That might be a really big map, as many streets as we're talking about.

1792
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:51,480
 Okay.

1793
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:52,480
 Excuse me.

1794
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:53,480
 What's that?

1795
01:46:53,480 --> 01:46:59,960
 If we're going to do the streets, sidewalk sliding?

1796
01:46:59,960 --> 01:47:04,720
 These are typically not included in this program.

1797
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,580
 This money is for rebuilding the existing pavement.

1798
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,800
 Where we would normally get into would be old curb and gutter because we still got to

1799
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:17,840
 drain it and you don't want gaps or fractures in the curb and gutter to be the place where

1800
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,640
 the new road starts to fail because the water's worked its way in and now we've got the freeze

1801
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:22,640
 thaw cycle.

1802
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:28,040
 There's a variety of reasons but this is really just rebuilding what's there so that it can

1803
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:29,040
 have a much longer lifespan.

1804
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:30,040
 My son's an engineer.

1805
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,040
 I am so in this.

1806
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:38,480
 So could we have, and this can be completely separate for another conversation perhaps,

1807
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:43,600
 but would it be possible to look at what a complete package would look like?

1808
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,560
 We could do, sure, we can do that.

1809
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:53,920
 We do have a separate program for that, there's a sidewalk program that got off to a slow

1810
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:59,280
 start in the 2014 bond program and we're proposing, and we're going to get into that next, we're

1811
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:04,320
 proposing to get into a much more ambitious sidewalk program and do similar to what we

1812
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:12,240
 did with the streets where we leverage state and federal dollars to make it go further.

1813
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,240
 And lighting as well.

1814
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:14,240
 Yes.

1815
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:15,240
 Thank you.

1816
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:16,240
 I just have a broad question.

1817
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:20,960
 So as far as our very poor streets are poor, I know we've been accelerating and improving

1818
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:21,960
 those.

1819
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:26,160
 Do you all have any historical data on, you know, in previous years, what percentage were

1820
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:31,160
 very poor, poor, and kind of how we've been improving the gap, hopefully?

1821
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:32,160
 We can do that.

1822
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:33,160
 Okay.

1823
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,400
 Or if there's somewhere I can look, I'm happy to look.

1824
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:39,680
 So part of the struggle that we've been working through is we have a mountain of data, literally

1825
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:41,300
 a mountain of data.

1826
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:45,640
 Some of it is hard copies of paper that hasn't been digitized and we still have to go through

1827
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,560
 that to give exact results.

1828
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:52,880
 Some of it we do have data that's digital back to about 30 years, including our GIS,

1829
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,100
 where we can get a better semblance of that.

1830
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:59,880
 The problem with that data is while it gives us some things, certain other details it doesn't

1831
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:00,880
 have.

1832
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,880
 Sometimes it has dates, sometimes it doesn't.

1833
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:07,800
 We can look into that, but it's definitely a very big effort.

1834
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:08,800
 Okay.

1835
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:09,800
 It's eight o'clock.

1836
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:10,800
 How are we, how's everyone feeling?

1837
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:11,800
 You want to go?

1838
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:12,800
 Can I ask one more question?

1839
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:13,800
 Sure.

1840
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:14,800
 Everybody's like, gosh.

1841
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:22,840
 Can I get something to show me the last time the streets in Southeast Denton were repaired?

1842
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:23,840
 I can look for it.

1843
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,880
 I don't know if we have records for that.

1844
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:26,880
 Okay.

1845
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,640
 Some of those, like you talked about, they were redone in the 60s and the 70s.

1846
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:31,680
 They're going to be hard copies.

1847
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,560
 I might have those.

1848
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,280
 I would just have to look into that.

1849
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:36,840
 I don't know.

1850
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:37,840
 Okay.

1851
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:39,440
 Thank you.

1852
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:40,440
 Right.

1853
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:41,800
 Good point.

1854
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:56,600
 So one of the things we haven't gotten to yet, but it's part of this discussion.

1855
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,920
 So you see the first time we put 35 million out there for streets, and now we're at 70.

1856
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:01,920
 Where is that coming from?

1857
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:06,720
 So Ryan Road, some of the other roads in this discussion, that is what this dialogue is

1858
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:12,000
 about is are there things that trade off to make the streets portion a bigger portion

1859
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,840
 of this package than was originally set out?

1860
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,880
 So that's part of this discussion is for us to determine how big does this package get?

1861
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:23,760
 Do you want to let a Ryan or a Robinson go?

1862
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,400
 Is that something you want to do?

1863
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:34,740
 We don't want to, but that's part of the dialogue here is where does this go?

1864
01:50:34,740 --> 01:50:36,760
 So Todd, how many more packages?

1865
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,760
 We're about two-thirds away through your presentation.

1866
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:45,840
 We have one more really fun one that probably take a good 30 minutes to get through, and

1867
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,880
 then the others are pretty quick.

1868
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:53,600
 Just one option, and we'll staff definitely stay here when we go through the entire presentation

1869
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:54,600
 tonight.

1870
01:50:54,600 --> 01:51:00,320
 Next week the plan is to focus on open space and public art and whatever else we have left

1871
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:01,320
 over.

1872
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:05,600
 I didn't mention finance, but as we talk about the finance task force later that may come

1873
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:10,920
 into that sort of maybe room next week if we want to push sidewalk and street lighting

1874
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:16,600
 or just lighting next week, so that's definitely up to you all, but we could push sidewalks

1875
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,600
 to next week.

1876
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:20,600
 Okay.

1877
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:26,440
 Is that acceptable to everyone or do you want to go ahead and dive into the sidewalks?

1878
01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:37,080
 I also want everyone to have to be fully conscious at the end of the presentation.

1879
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:46,120
 So we do have to talk a little bit about finance task force, why don't we pause on sidewalks

1880
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:54,760
 and roll that into next week, and then we'll talk, cover briefly the finance task force

1881
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,680
 and then adjourn, does that sound reasonable?

1882
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:02,240
 Do you want to get through the remainder of the projects on here, excluding sidewalks

1883
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:17,120
 and street lights, or do you want to just stop here and pick up?

1884
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:20,160
 I don't think it'll take that long, but again, that's up to you.

1885
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,160
 Is that as long as five minutes or 20 minutes?

1886
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,960
 I can go as fast as you want to go.

1887
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:29,520
 So it's really Robes Robinson Road, Ryan Road, and Jim Crystal?

1888
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:30,520
 Yes.

1889
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:36,920
 All right, let's do, let's go, Ryan, what's next after the sidewalks, Robinson?

1890
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,760
 So Robinson would be the next.

1891
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,160
 Okay.

1892
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:46,560
 So Robinson Road, there is a missing piece, so the state came in and did 2499, they put

1893
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:52,040
 in that nice six-lane facility that provides a nice connection south and north.

1894
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:58,440
 They also put in four lanes from just west of 2499 and tied back into the city of Corinth

1895
01:52:58,440 --> 01:52:59,440
 on the other side.

1896
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:06,480
 And we have this segment here in the middle, going over to 2181, that's two lanes.

1897
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,440
 So what we're proposing here is to go ahead and complete the two lanes that are missing.

1898
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:13,160
 The existing two lanes are fine, they're where they're supposed to be.

1899
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,120
 We just need to go forward and put the other two lanes in and that puts that connection

1900
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:21,040
 there between 2181 and 2499.

1901
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,400
 That's really all this project is.

1902
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:24,400
 Okay.

1903
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:25,400
 All right.

1904
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:26,400
 Any questions?

1905
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:31,960
 I need to make it the same design as the other two, with the median in the middle so we go

1906
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:32,960
 to six.

1907
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:37,400
 It would be an exact mirror of what you see out there, we'll just progress on that.

1908
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:39,600
 Any questions or comments on this?

1909
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:40,600
 Okay.

1910
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:41,600
 All right.

1911
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,960
 So Ryan Road, this is the one we talked about earlier.

1912
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:50,440
 What you saw, this slide here is what was in your backup, the presentation you saw on

1913
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:55,600
 Monday and we did just, I mean, we had the results of this come in Monday and we dove

1914
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,080
 into it Tuesday and Wednesday.

1915
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:03,960
 So now we're coming back to where's there some flexibility in this proposed program.

1916
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:11,120
 When Hickory Creek is built out, the demands on Ryan are minimized, long term.

1917
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:14,080
 That's pushing us out into the 2045 timeframe.

1918
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:24,000
 So at most, what we see as a staff is a three lane section with trails and bike side paths.

1919
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:29,520
 I mean, just a very connectable, walkable scenario that ties you into an existing trail

1920
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:34,640
 corridor and then a three lane roadway in between both intersections and doing major

1921
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:40,360
 improvements at only the two major intersections at 2181 and 1830.

1922
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:41,760
 So it's a much smaller project.

1923
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,320
 Now there's a range down there.

1924
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,440
 You see the range from 10 million to 25 million.

1925
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:50,360
 That really depends where you want to go and how much flexibility you want to build into

1926
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,920
 the overall bond program for other items.

1927
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,980
 So you could do a two lane roadway.

1928
01:54:55,980 --> 01:54:59,600
 The reason we're recommending a three lane is you do have more residential neighborhoods

1929
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,720
 coming into that area and not all of their entrances line up.

1930
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,240
 That's a history of allowing them to be disjointed.

1931
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:11,660
 So one of the easiest ways to solve that is you leave the center lane open for people to

1932
01:55:11,660 --> 01:55:17,600
 turn left and they get them off the main lane so people can still continue to drive.

1933
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:21,280
 If we were to stay with a two lane roadway, at some point they'll get congested enough

1934
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,280
 that it starts backing up traffic a little bit.

1935
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,760
 So we're recommending the three lane.

1936
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,360
 That's the $25 million option.

1937
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:30,680
 There is some leveraging going on.

1938
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:33,360
 That's why you see the city cost being 19 million.

1939
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:39,560
 The state will typically invest within 600 feet of any intersection.

1940
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:40,560
 They'll put money into it.

1941
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,020
 They're going to be doing $18.30.

1942
01:55:42,020 --> 01:55:44,080
 They are doing $21.81.

1943
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:48,920
 And then we just have the 600 feet on both sides that are city streets that we'd be working

1944
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:50,520
 with them to fund.

1945
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:51,920
 That's an endeavor we're working on.

1946
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:57,200
 It's about a $5 million, $5 to $6 million gap for those intersections.

1947
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,880
 There's also some utility work that's another funding source.

1948
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:01,880
 There's a water line that runs through there.

1949
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,640
 That would be another place that also makes up part of that $6 million delta.

1950
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:10,560
 That's where we get the difference that we could then move this money over to.

1951
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:14,720
 The $10 million option would be we just do the intersection improvements at both ends

1952
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,520
 and we just leave a two lane roadway.

1953
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:20,840
 We would just come in and overtop the existing roadway to give it a longer life.

1954
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:26,600
 But that doesn't give you the walking space.

1955
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:31,160
 For $10 million it wouldn't because it would really be focused on the roadway utility improvements

1956
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:32,160
 in the intersections.

1957
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:41,040
 So the $25 million resolves the drainage issues.

1958
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:45,580
 It adds curb and gutter so I can put the sidewalks and the side paths all out there.

1959
01:56:45,580 --> 01:56:49,840
 If I go with the $10 million option I'm leaving the bar ditches that are there for the majority

1960
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:54,480
 of that stretch because the drainage is one of the cost differences here that really drive

1961
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:55,480
 it up.

1962
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,280
 It makes it more expensive when I got to start handling the drainage.

1963
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:00,720
 So that's why you see this range here.

1964
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,640
 The $10 million would be a very bare bones.

1965
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:09,640
 We'll do the intersections and then we'll redo the roadway and then we'll move on.

1966
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:14,400
 The $25 million would do some improvements to the entire length of the roadway as well

1967
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:18,400
 as some aesthetic and recreational improvements.

1968
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,400
 Other things, quality of life improvements is really where we would be going.

1969
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:31,600
 It would make it a lot safer for the schools and the neighborhoods at the $25 million level.

1970
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:35,840
 The difference being when we were originally pricing this project we were seeing it as

1971
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:42,200
 being around a $44 million cost to the city under the four lane divided roadway.

1972
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:47,320
 So if you go with the more expensive option you're taking about $20 million out of that

1973
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:51,720
 project and it's available now to go somewhere else like streets.

1974
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:56,660
 If you were to go to the $10 million which is still going to service the area it'll still

1975
01:57:56,660 --> 01:57:59,960
 bring the level of service up to an A long term.

1976
01:57:59,960 --> 01:58:04,360
 Now you've got that much more room you could put towards streets.

1977
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:20,480
 They're just things to consider as we go forward.

1978
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:26,040
 That was in a previous study that looked at the overall movement of traffic.

1979
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:31,400
 What that study also did is it looked at Hickory Creek going up and stopping at 1830 and you

1980
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:36,600
 having to get on 1830 and go south like you do today to Country Club Road and Crawford.

1981
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:43,740
 That was the major road to get you to 35W so it still pushed traffic back up to Ryan.

1982
01:58:43,740 --> 01:58:48,320
 If we don't connect Ryan to Vintage which has a lot of challenges, one being that you'd

1983
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:54,360
 have two rail crossings at an intersection which makes it really hard to deal with, you'd

1984
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:58,600
 have that scenario but now you almost guarantee it's got to be a four lane divided because

1985
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:03,560
 Vintage then ties in on the other end and you really don't need a six lane facility

1986
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:04,560
 further south.

1987
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:09,600
 So you've got to trade off here because the system is trying to equalize itself out.

1988
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:13,520
 The prime draw is going to be the homes to the south are trying to get east and west

1989
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:18,680
 and that's why when you take Hickory Creek to a six lane roadway long term in the 2045

1990
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:24,720
 time frame and beyond you still don't need a big Ryan Road and you don't even need to

1991
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:25,720
 connect it.

1992
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,000
 It's a huge expense trying to bridge over the floodplain, over the railroads, doing

1993
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,720
 a whole slew of things to make that connection.

1994
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:36,200
 You could do it one time with Hickory Creek and you resolve the vast majority of the mobility

1995
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:37,200
 issues in the area.

1996
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:43,840
 What would be the timing on those two if we did them both together in a patch?

1997
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:44,840
 Hickory Creek and Ryan?

1998
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:45,840
 Would we want to?

1999
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:52,400
 If we did, I'm just curious.

2000
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:56,760
 The advantage of a Hickory Creek is so much of the proposed Hickory Creek is offline or

2001
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:58,580
 where the current road is.

2002
01:59:58,580 --> 02:00:03,120
 So Hickory Creek now goes up and we're going to go straight.

2003
02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:06,840
 So we could be building the vast majority of Hickory Creek Road while traffic is still

2004
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:09,600
 doing what they're doing today.

2005
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:13,640
 And then once you turn some of those lanes over to traffic, then you can take old Hickory

2006
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:18,720
 Creek Road off line and you move traffic on there.

2007
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,920
 Part of our concept is also that you'd have two bridges for that six lane.

2008
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,840
 So we'd build one bridge and I can put all the traffic there and then I can be working

2009
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:26,840
 the other bridge.

2010
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:29,360
 So there's a lot more flexibility because there's nothing out there.

2011
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:35,640
 Ryan, we could do at the same time and when it's less expensive to do the roadway, then

2012
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:40,720
 there's more flexibility in how we spend the bond funds to be able to get it done faster.

2013
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:46,160
 I'm not regulated on when those dollars become available and David can talk more about this

2014
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:47,160
 than I can.

2015
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:57,920
 But of course one advantage of one of my pet projects, tying advantage to Ryan as you mentioned,

2016
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:01,560
 is that the fire station is already there and we're going to have a police substation

2017
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:06,160
 there and it would be a straight shot over to Ryan to serve that neighborhood because

2018
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:14,280
 the fire station that is now off Teasley spends an awful lot of time going out to 35 and serving

2019
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:19,280
 the retirement communities that are on Wind River.

2020
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:27,680
 There's a continual need for emergency services provided throughout the community, yes ma'am.

2021
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:28,680
 Okay.

2022
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:32,880
 Any other questions or comments on this?

2023
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,000
 Okay.

2024
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:41,280
 Jim Crystal Road, this is that section three or sector three of the development zone is

2025
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:47,400
 where all the infrastructure is going as far as industrial development, large scale commercial

2026
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,280
 distribution centers.

2027
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:53,840
 Where we're trying to go with this project is ask for the design dollars to get this

2028
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:59,820
 in place so that when these large developments come in that US cold storage or whoever else

2029
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:02,960
 might come in after them, the designs are incomplete.

2030
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,640
 They just have to build their piece of the road, not their piece of the road and design

2031
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:07,640
 it.

2032
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:12,340
 The disadvantage when they do both things is now whoever's in first starts dictating

2033
02:02:12,340 --> 02:02:14,920
 where the road's going to go.

2034
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:19,800
 Whereas if we design it now, we set where the road's going to be and then we enter

2035
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:21,920
 into more of these public private partnerships.

2036
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:29,280
 That piece, there's a value to that that developer, they're absolutely cognizant of.

2037
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:34,080
 So there's a more willingness to jump into that we'll all build it because I'm not going

2038
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:40,040
 to put $300, $400, $500,000 into designing my piece of the road.

2039
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,540
 That part's done.

2040
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:45,720
 So that's where this money is being leveraged is development as it comes in and continues

2041
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:48,860
 to come in, brings impact fees into the area.

2042
02:02:48,860 --> 02:02:52,680
 Other partnerships that do exist out there that have an interest here would allow us

2043
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,480
 to immediately go to construction as quickly as possible.

2044
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:58,760
 So this would relieve pressure off of Airport Road?

2045
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:01,280
 Airport Road, especially when it goes into construction because that will be going into

2046
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,200
 construction in the next three to four years?

2047
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:05,200
 When was that?

2048
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:06,200
 Pre-Temps 9?

2049
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:07,200
 He's off his own road.

2050
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:08,200
 So Airport Road is starting and there's schematic things so it does not have a date.

2051
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:09,200
 They're designing it and laying the schematic so they can move forward with right-of-way

2052
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:10,200
 and from this point.

2053
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:11,200
 And this is, and that's a textile project?

2054
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:12,200
 That is a textile project.

2055
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:13,200
 When it's done though, it will be a city street.

2056
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:14,200
 So it's going to be a city street.

2057
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:15,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2058
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:16,200
 That's going to be a city street.

2059
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:17,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2060
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:18,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2061
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:19,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2062
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:20,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2063
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:21,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2064
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:22,200
 It's going to be a city street.

2065
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:35,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2066
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:36,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2067
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:37,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2068
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:38,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2069
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:39,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2070
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:40,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2071
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:41,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2072
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:42,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2073
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:43,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2074
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:44,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2075
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:45,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2076
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:46,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2077
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:47,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2078
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:48,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2079
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:49,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2080
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:50,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2081
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:51,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2082
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:52,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2083
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:53,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2084
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:54,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2085
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:55,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2086
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:56,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2087
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:57,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2088
02:03:57,880 --> 02:03:58,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2089
02:03:58,880 --> 02:03:59,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2090
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:00,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2091
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:01,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2092
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:02,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2093
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:03,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2094
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:04,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2095
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:05,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2096
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:06,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2097
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:07,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2098
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:08,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2099
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:09,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2100
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:10,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2101
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:11,880
 It's going to be a city street.

2102
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:23,880
 Okay.

2103
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:31,080
 Any other questions on Jim Kristol?

2104
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:33,120
 And then the last, this is purely an update.

2105
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:36,720
 So Sherman, it was originally on our discussion with Council.

2106
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,320
 It's been in the books for a long time.

2107
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:43,080
 The Outer Loop has a lot of attention by the Council of Governments.

2108
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:47,920
 It's being a priority focus, especially in this segment of the North Texas area.

2109
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:51,720
 They would like to get from 35 all the way over to McKinney.

2110
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:53,800
 Just to clarify, the Outer Loop is not Loop 288.

2111
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:54,800
 It is not Loop 288.

2112
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:55,800
 It's the other loop.

2113
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:56,800
 Right.

2114
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:57,800
 It is.

2115
02:04:57,800 --> 02:04:59,220
 It's the future loop that's not looped yet.

2116
02:04:59,220 --> 02:05:04,520
 It's about a 235-mile loop around the entire Metroplex area.

2117
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:09,080
 So it's designed to get people quickly around the entire Metroplex and give an alternative

2118
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:14,760
 route, much like you see in Austin where they've got multiple avenues to get all the way around.

2119
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,520
 Depends on how badly you want to get there.

2120
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:22,720
 But what we do anticipate is that that Outer Loop, as you're seeing a lot of traffic come

2121
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:26,920
 in these farm-to-market roads from Prosper and from other communities to the North Valley

2122
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:33,420
 View, they're taking other roadways to get into downtown Denton.

2123
02:05:33,420 --> 02:05:37,920
 So when we started talking this through with the state and with the Council of Governments,

2124
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:42,480
 does a four-lane or a six-lane roadway really make sense, seeing as how we're seeing a ton

2125
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:46,680
 of residential neighborhoods coming and there's a lot of commuter traffic coming?

2126
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:51,200
 What this really looks like is a spur between the Outer Loop and Loop 288.

2127
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:54,400
 So we've talked to both parties.

2128
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:56,480
 Council of Governments said that sounds like a great idea.

2129
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:02,020
 So they're really pushing TextDOT to take on that project as their own project.

2130
02:06:02,020 --> 02:06:06,360
 And in the long run, what it would be would be a highway, main lanes with frontage roads

2131
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:08,040
 that connect those two loops.

2132
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:14,320
 Then once you get inside Loop 288, it'd be back to a primary arterial roadway.

2133
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:17,760
 So this is free to us?

2134
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:18,760
 Yes.

2135
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:19,760
 Okay.

2136
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:21,520
 Is that an upbringing?

2137
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:22,520
 It is.

2138
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:27,040
 I mean, we're doing some minor improvements right now.

2139
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:30,240
 There's no such thing as free.

2140
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:32,040
 You'll live with the construction when they do it, right?

2141
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:33,040
 Overall, yeah.

2142
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,040
 We just don't have to buy for it.

2143
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,040
 People at Hartley Field are going to want to buy for it.

2144
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:36,040
 Question?

2145
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:37,040
 Yes, ma'am.

2146
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:43,200
 Is there a schematic that shows this artery?

2147
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:45,400
 There is, exists in a variety of places.

2148
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:47,800
 It does show up on our mobility plan.

2149
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:49,820
 It's outlined out there.

2150
02:06:49,820 --> 02:06:53,640
 It's a little hard to see because it's a weird color mixed in with some other things.

2151
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:54,640
 But it is on there.

2152
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:55,640
 Yes.

2153
02:06:55,640 --> 02:07:01,320
 I know most of the roads that are owned by TextDOT, this one I don't remember.

2154
02:07:01,320 --> 02:07:05,320
 Once this is all built, who will be maintaining it, TextDOT or us?

2155
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:08,120
 So that's part of the discussion we're having with TextDOT right now.

2156
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:12,960
 When it goes from Loop 288 to the outer loop, it will remain TextDOTs.

2157
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:17,780
 When it comes inside the loop and improvements are completed along that Sherman Drive all

2158
02:07:17,780 --> 02:07:27,380
 the way into downtown, the anticipation is it will be turned over to the city.

2159
02:07:27,380 --> 02:07:29,360
 Those were the last of the projects except sidewalks.

2160
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:30,360
 Okay.

2161
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:31,360
 And streetlights.

2162
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:32,360
 Yes.

2163
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:34,460
 We'll do next.

2164
02:07:34,460 --> 02:07:37,760
 So we'll defer sidewalks and streetlights till next week?

2165
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:39,320
 Yes, sir.

2166
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:50,320
 I'd like to move on to agenda item C. So we all approved forming a finance task force

2167
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:56,800
 to look at some key questions, some of which were in the charter from the council.

2168
02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:05,240
 We met last week and discussed and basically outlined what we see is the questions we're

2169
02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:10,160
 going to pursue and we're going to get with David and the staff and try to work through

2170
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:12,620
 these over the next two to three weeks.

2171
02:08:12,620 --> 02:08:21,000
 So one key assumption that we concluded upon is that there's a 4% cost growth, which is

2172
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:26,120
 what we're using, correct me if I'm wrong, David, in the current projections, correct?

2173
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:27,120
 Assess value.

2174
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:32,040
 Yes, assess value, growth and assess value.

2175
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:39,680
 And that may appear conservative compared to approximately a 10% growth in appraised

2176
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:42,000
 value over the last few years.

2177
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:46,760
 So some of the questions that we're going to work through are first, and this is what

2178
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:52,360
 the council asked us to do, is look at what does it take to stay at the effective tax

2179
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:53,360
 rate?

2180
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:57,200
 In other words, what would be included or not included if we stayed at just the effective

2181
02:08:57,200 --> 02:08:58,800
 tax rate?

2182
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:06,640
 And city managers had some comments on that or some legislative changes that will certainly

2183
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:07,640
 impact that.

2184
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:13,640
 Then other questions that we developed are what are the growth assumptions that avoid

2185
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,680
 a tax rate increase?

2186
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:19,240
 What will be the future tax base?

2187
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:26,600
 So when you start seeing all these green areas, what should we expect and not expect in a

2188
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:30,240
 reasonable time frame, say four to five years?

2189
02:09:30,240 --> 02:09:37,000
 And then the next is what can we achieve without increasing citizens' tax rates?

2190
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:41,960
 And then lastly, how much of a tax rate increase would we be willing to propose?

2191
02:09:41,960 --> 02:09:47,720
 So we as a formal body collectively.

2192
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:49,360
 So those are the questions that we're going to work through.

2193
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:55,360
 We're going to bring back recommendations to this group for consideration.

2194
02:09:55,360 --> 02:10:03,240
 And then so that when we come hopefully bringing this all together, where we have a list of

2195
02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:09,200
 projects and what we think the funding level should be and can bring that complete package

2196
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,720
 to the city council.

2197
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:14,160
 Any questions or comments on that?

2198
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:18,520
 Could we have a list of the people who are on that subcommittee in case those of us who

2199
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:24,680
 don't want to be on the subcommittee, if we have something we want to ask or contribute.

2200
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:29,360
 I'll just mention it right now, but I'll have to send a list of data so he can send that

2201
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:30,360
 out.

2202
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:32,880
 John, can you raise your hand, John?

2203
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:45,480
 And then Janet, Susan, Eric, myself, Tim Crouch, and Randy Robinson, but we'll send that out

2204
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:47,280
 through David if that's all right.

2205
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:48,280
 Sure.

2206
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:52,680
 And our intent is for these meetings to be open meetings, and our goal would be to have

2207
02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:56,360
 them here so that they're recorded, and we're as transparent as possible with those meetings

2208
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:57,360
 as they go forward.

2209
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:01,980
 So there'll be public meetings and open just like these.

2210
02:11:01,980 --> 02:11:07,360
 As far as the content, as we look at those scenarios with the growth, as we have those

2211
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:13,280
 meetings, we can get to a point where we see what different scenarios do to the model and

2212
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:18,840
 talk through why we have the projections we do and everything goes along with that.

2213
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:24,760
 Have you all determined when you all will meet?

2214
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:34,160
 Right now we've tentatively planned for Thursday, June 27th at 3, but that's new news to David,

2215
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:35,160
 so he ...

2216
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:37,160
 You don't have anything else to do?

2217
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:40,160
 That's what we're shooting for.

2218
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:41,160
 Same day-ish?

2219
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:42,160
 Right.

2220
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:50,720
 So that's all, that's something I was going to talk to him after this meeting, so we'll

2221
02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:51,720
 get that out to you.

2222
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:52,720
 Sorry.

2223
02:11:52,720 --> 02:12:00,480
 All right, any other questions, comments for the good of the group?

2224
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:05,080
 I just would like to thank you all, the presentation was very helpful.

2225
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:08,080
 I really enjoyed the graphs.

2226
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:16,440
 You know, I think it's good to see these different options, right, to see what the priorities

2227
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:20,340
 are and that sort of thing.

2228
02:12:20,340 --> 02:12:25,960
 One thing I'll just mention, I don't have the details to know what the scope would be,

2229
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:32,120
 but I know over the past decade, maybe Susie can chime in, the mobility plan and the bike

2230
02:12:32,120 --> 02:12:37,200
 plan have kind of started to come together, and my impression is that they've taken advantage

2231
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:42,760
 of existing projects and some wider streets here or there that they could do something

2232
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:49,000
 with with some paint, right, and so I guess what I would like to see is a proposal for

2233
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:55,080
 maybe a very small portion of the streets program could be allowed to be used for streets

2234
02:12:55,080 --> 02:13:03,700
 that are maybe in between the 20 and 45 range, if it directly aids making those missing connections

2235
02:13:03,700 --> 02:13:10,580
 in the mobility plan for multimodal access?

2236
02:13:10,580 --> 02:13:12,880
 Could it be there's always to do?

2237
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:18,360
 Sure, and really it's just a question of scope, of would a small investment there make a big

2238
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:19,360
 difference or not?

2239
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:24,480
 Well, the biggest thing I would throw out there would just be that the mobility plan

2240
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:29,880
 as it stands is pretty questionable the way it was put together and really implemented.

2241
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:33,000
 There were a lot of missing pieces in a variety of places.

2242
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:39,120
 We currently have under contract a design professional to help us do a complete overall

2243
02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:45,120
 of the mobility plan where we would have a master thoroughfare plan, a bike plan, a pedestrian

2244
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:50,600
 plan, and then combine that with the ADA transition plan so you have a complete mobility plan

2245
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:56,280
 keeping in mind that I need to be context sensitive where I'm supposed to be, a complete

2246
02:13:56,280 --> 02:14:02,760
 streets methodology, and then that develops a much better and more comprehensive CIP.

2247
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:04,200
 So could you do it now?

2248
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:08,880
 I could, but I'd be doing a lot of band aid that I might undo later, whereas if I take

2249
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:13,980
 a much more comprehensive approach and put something in for future planning so we do

2250
02:14:13,980 --> 02:14:17,680
 it right going forward, I think that would be a better option.

2251
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:19,080
 And that's where we're proceeding now.

2252
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:22,760
 We have that professional on board over the next six months to a year.

2253
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:27,240
 You'll see multiple ways of being involved in that through some public meetings and other

2254
02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:28,240
 things.

2255
02:14:28,240 --> 02:14:37,280
 Now I know we may have gone over this, don't everybody look at me like, oh here she goes.

2256
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:44,040
 But about the map again, I know I asked about getting the map to the distribution of the

2257
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:49,960
 bond funding, felling street projects, can we get a map of that, or is it online as well?

2258
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:50,960
 The streets that were--

2259
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,300
 That are felling like--

2260
02:14:53,300 --> 02:14:55,240
 That one's an overwhelming amount of data.

2261
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:57,320
 It would be hard to put that online.

2262
02:14:57,320 --> 02:15:01,640
 We can provide those maps to you, absolutely, but trying to put that on a web portal where

2263
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:04,160
 somebody can get it, it is a lot of information.

2264
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:09,340
 It's part of what makes it so challenging for us to be prepared to have this discussion

2265
02:15:09,340 --> 02:15:12,880
 is it's a lot of information all in one place.

2266
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:15,720
 But we can provide what you would like to see, absolutely.

2267
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:17,720
 Okay, could you please, thank you.

2268
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:18,720
 David?

2269
02:15:18,720 --> 02:15:20,680
 I just want to make one note.

2270
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:26,760
 We've gotten a lot of great questions in the meetings so far, and also via email from everyone.

2271
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:31,360
 We were trying to address as many of those questions as possible during the presentations.

2272
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,520
 After we get through next week, we would have then gone through kind of the detail of each

2273
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:37,280
 of the presentations, a lot of the follow-up meetings.

2274
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,000
 So we have a list of all those questions.

2275
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:40,240
 We're working through them.

2276
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:45,080
 So we'll either get those back to you during presentations, or we'll provide memos in future

2277
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:46,960
 meetings where you can kind of see all that written out.

2278
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,960
 So we are keeping track of those, and those will come back to you.

2279
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:56,920
 I was just going to ask you, because I saw that you had emailed us, you know, what we

2280
02:15:56,920 --> 02:15:59,640
 said previously for May 30th.

2281
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:02,640
 So that's going to be on a week.

2282
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:08,320
 Every week you're going to let us know all the audio that's been taken, what questions

2283
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:09,320
 we've asked.

2284
02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:10,320
 Sure.

2285
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:11,320
 So I guess two answers.

2286
02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:15,440
 Yes, we'll have minutes that will be approved at each meeting.

2287
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:19,520
 Just given our short turnaround time, to give the agendas posted on Monday and having these

2288
02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:23,280
 on Thursdays, a lot of times it'll be just kind of two meetings back.

2289
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:28,480
 But we always have last meeting recorded, and in this room we have better capabilities

2290
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:29,480
 with the recording.

2291
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:34,800
 It's going to be available online very quickly, and the recording quality and sound will be

2292
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:35,800
 much better.

2293
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:40,640
 So obviously they'll be there to go back and view if you want to see in detail.

2294
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:45,000
 And I guess to that point I would just ask, is everyone comfortable with the meeting in

2295
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:46,000
 here?

2296
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:50,000
 Yes, we have a short turnaround to make sure it works.

2297
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:51,000
 Great.

2298
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:52,000
 It's better.

2299
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,000
 Yeah.

2300
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:54,000
 Perfect.

2301
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:58,000
 Because I'd like to see like a contribution of everybody included in the discussion on

2302
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:03,000
 paper, if that makes sense.

2303
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:04,000
 Sure.

2304
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:05,000
 Yeah.

2305
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:06,000
 All right.

2306
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:07,000
 Thank you.

2307
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:08,000
 Any other comments or questions?

2308
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,000
 Can I have a motion to adjourn?

2309
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:10,000
 So moved.

2310
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:11,000
 So moved.

2311
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:17,240
 Thank you.