>> Good morning, and welcome to the mobility committee, Wednesday, December the 20th, 8AM.
We've determined that a quorum is present, and we're going to convene in our regular
meeting this morning at 8AM.
Do we have any consent -- I'm sorry, citizens' comments on any agenda items, John?
Okay.
Then we'll move on to number two.
Commence for individual consideration, A, MC23-060, consider approval of the minutes
of November 29th, 2023.
Can we get a motion for approval?
>> I move approval.
>> I second, and -- or vote?
>> Aye.
>> All right.
Ayes have it.
On to B, MC23-061, receive a report, hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton Transportation
Mobility Project Status Report.
>> Mr. Polster is not able to attend today, so we're going to have to hold that item.
>> Okay.
All right.
Well, yes.
>> Will that -- will the -- any updates will be consolidated into the January update?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
All right.
Good.
Thank you for asking that question.
All right.
Well, then we'll move on to C, MC23-068, receive a report, hold a discussion and approve the
Mobility 2024 meeting schedule.
>> So staff --
>> Do you have some information on that?
>> Staff is proposing to have the meetings the fourth -- Wednesday of the month, and
we provided in your backup a calendar that shows when they were following a council meeting.
So council meeting on Tuesday, then we have back-to-back.
We have a couple of them, but we're also proposing to move them to 10 a.m., instead of 8 a.m.
>> At this point, as a chair, I am okay with that.
I'll --
>> Yeah.
I think the two of us, as I recall the previous discussion, were fine with 8, 9, or 10.
We were fine with Wednesdays or whatever.
I think the constriction was Councilor McGee, who unfortunately is not here.
So I don't know whether that will, you know, be --
>> You're making a decision?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, did Councilor McGee give any indication of what he would like to consider?
Okay.
So I am going to look for a motion for approval.
>> I think this is direction, Chair.
>> Direction.
>> But, yeah, I'm okay with this, and I guess we can ask Councilor McGee to come bring this
back if this is not tenable.
>> Yeah.
Let's do that.
So this is just -- we have, I guess, tentatively and -- or let's say permanently made a decision
to approve the Mobility Committee 2024 meeting schedule, and is this for a motion, or are
we just approving what we suggested on last --
>> I think you have to vote on it.
>> I have to vote on it?
Okay.
So we're going to just look for a motion.
Would you like to motion that?
>> Yeah.
I'll move it, please.
>> All right.
And I'll second.
So we will vote yes to the affirmative for both of us, and 10, 10 to 12 is what we're
approving.
So the ayes have it.
Can we not get an aye?
>> Aye.
>> All right.
We got ayes have it.
Okay.
So then we're going to move on to DMC 23-076, Discussion, Consideration, and Recommendation.
Regarding the composition and direction of the City of Denton Mobility Committee.
Yes.
We need to have that discussion.
>> So this item I added to the agenda in response to dissolving the Traffic Safety Commission.
Council had made some comments when we brought the item forward about having different representation
on the committee, so I wanted to discuss the possibility of adding two seats to the Mobility
Committee that are, you know, community members, possibly previous Traffic Safety Commissioners,
and then that would make this committee no longer a council subcommittee, but it would
be an advisory committee to council, but wanted to get the committee's input, direction on
what you would like to see moving forward.
>> Yes.
>> So I know some of the discussion centered around getting that additional community input.
Some of the things that I think we weren't sure on is was there any requirements that
there be a council subcommittee to handle any particular business if we were to dissolve
and reform this committee with additional members and an additional structure, would
that break anything?
>> Not that I'm aware of, but Hillary, do you know if there's any?
>> No.
I'm not aware of it, but I'm also very new.
>> Is this your new assignment?
>> No, I'm just covering Ben.
>> Oh.
>> I did talk to Mac about it, and while it's not, you know, we could go either way.
We could add members to the Traffic Safety Commission, dissolve Mobility Committee, but
the recommendation was to dissolve Traffic Safety because we're having quorum issues,
and a lot of the items that we're bringing, we're bringing to both committees.
>> I think there is generally, you know, a consensus and approval to having some sort
of joint thing, kind of like the DCRC in some ways, but the -- yeah, I just want -- I don't
personally mind that reorganization.
I just don't want us to make sure we don't break some sort of state requirement that
four Mobility Communities, four municipal government, but as long as there's not -- then -- I saw
staff in the AIS had a recommendation of five, so to add two citizens.
Yeah, odd numbers are better than even numbers, as we're finding on DCRC.
>> We are finding them.
>> Yes, I -- the only challenge will be how those two are nominated, I think, would be
the challenging aspect.
I guess that would have to come before all of council.
>> Yes.
>> And you all will make the recommendation for us.
>> We can make a recommendation on how the --
>> How they're going to be nominated.
>> Yes, how the nomination process goes.
>> Okay.
Well, as far as I'm concerned, you know, I think it would be great to have some additional
ears, eyes and ears, citizenry, eyes and ears on this committee.
But explain to me how this committee -- this is for educational purposes -- how this committee
with just city council members on it is going to change the value of this committee with
having additional two citizens on it.
What's going to change in terms of the value of what we're doing here?
>> I think, you know, you'll still hear and see the same items.
It's just whether or not you want a different type of representation on your committee.
So ultimately, right now, you're a subcommittee of council, so you see the things in a little
bit more detail than the full council sees, especially on some of the projects, you're
able to dig in a lot more.
If you would like some more citizen input, then adding a couple of seats to the committee
may give you a different perspective before they get to council items.
But that's --
>> That's pretty much all I have to say.
>> Thank you, Chair.
Are there -- two things -- are there legal differences when we're an entire body of council?
That membership is one thing, and if you're -- if citizen members -- does that change
the kinds of materials that we can see, the kinds of discussions we can have?
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> No, it's all open to the public.
And does this committee have executive session?
And would that committee --
>> I don't.
>> I don't believe you do.
>> I don't think we do.
>> Okay.
Well, we do have some boards and commissions that have a mix of council and citizens on
them.
So it would be very much similar to that.
It would no longer -- you know, it would just be an advisory committee, but like, EDP board
is one where you have a mix of current council members and community.
>> CRC.
>> Well, my biggest goal in the conversation and the things that went on in council is
to maintain that level of community input on these items.
You know, however we reduce the load on staff sort of was sort of up to staff to some degree.
That was my biggest concern about the dissolution of the traffic safety committee was keeping
that broader community feedback.
So if this isn't quite as broad as we had before, I think there was five members on
that committee?
>> Three.
>> Three?
Oh, then it is nearly as broad.
Then there's really not much to complain about there.
>> And two of the seats were vacant and have been vacant for a while, so we were having
quorum challenges on that.
>> The quorum for the new committee would be any member?
So if there were -- so for instance, councilmember McGee is not here, we can maintain this quorum
with two councilmembers, but quorum on the new committee would be any member of the committee?
>> I would think so, yes.
>> Okay.
I mean, any member -- any collection over 50% of the committee?
Okay.
>> Okay.
And just like in DCRC, where we have specific rules that the chair needs to be a member
of council, we could potentially fine tune and expanded mobility committee's procedural
rules as well.
>> That's what we'll need.
>> Yeah.
Like if there's a preference for -- to ensure that the chair is a member of council, or
if there is a preference to ensure that quorum is a specific mix of members, we could draft
accordingly.
>> Okay.
That's what we'll need.
>> Yeah.
I would encourage that modeling of the --
>> Quorum of council.
>> The leadership of council, or of the body being from council.
>> Okay.
Do you want chair and vice chair to be council, or just chair?
Does it matter?
>> Chair and vice chair.
>> Right.
Okay.
We can --
>> Definitely.
>> If only because that adds that extra layer to keep it sort of more, you know, well --
>> Okay.
>> Adding the advisory positions of the citizens to the committee, rather than -- I think that
helps with the merger and consistency with direction.
>> Okay.
So can we get a -- do we need -- we need a most -- is this -- we're just a recommendation
right now.
>> Just a recommendation.
>> Okay.
So yes, we -- I'd like to direct us to do that.
And it sounds like we have consensus here.
>> Yeah.
>> So we're going to move you off first and move forward with -- and then when this comes
-- this is going to come back to the council again.
>> Yes.
It will come to council.
>> And then we'll -- we can definitely be in agreement to dissolve the traffic safety
committee.
>> Are we -- are we coming back here first, or are we going straight to council?
>> I was planning on taking it to council just because I wanted to have the discussion
at the same time as the -- as dissolving traffic safety commission, so that the full council
kind of understood.
But if you'd prefer to bring it back here first.
>> No, I'm okay.
I was just asking for understanding the timeline.
I do have one other question, Chair, if you mind.
>> Yeah.
>> And that is the votes that we had on that item in council -- and I'll be mindful of
the agenda, but the -- were tied votes, which means -- makes that dissolution that you need
to come back.
>> Yes.
>> So this is a new -- completely new item to dissolve everything and then reform a new
hybrid committee?
Is that how we would handle everything?
As a new agenda item?
>> I think we could probably do it -- that's a good question.
I could see us, you know, taking the second whack at dissolving the traffic safety and
then a subsequent item to reform as the mobility/traffic safety -- yeah, committee.
Or it may just come down to what is simpler.
>> It would definitely be a separate item.
However, we can make sure that there's information provided in the agenda information sheet to
give some more context to dissolving traffic safety with, you know, the subsequent item
of changing the mobility committee makeup.
>> Okay.
>> Perfect.
>> Yeah, I -- yeah, if we can -- if that could come out in advance for council before we see
everything, that would be -- because I think a lot of the issues sometimes are surprises.
So.
>> Well, then, you know, we had to have the delay so we can have the discussion.
This is the discussion that we were kind of missing anyway.
>> Yes.
>> So it's time.
So, yes, please move forward with that.
Thank you very much for that item.
So we're going to move on to EMC 23-075.
>> Good morning.
Trevor Crane, director of capital projects.
>> Good morning.
>> And I will -- as soon as I find the exhibit.
Perfect.
So I'm going to go through some of the staff reports today.
A lot of this you've already seen before, but we do have some updates.
So Bonnie Brade Phase 3, that project is currently under construction.
No issues there.
So moving forward.
Bonnie Brade Phase 6, no real updates yet, but we are still on track to bid that project
out in Q1 of next year, working through the last utility relocations, and then finalizing
our plans with TxDOT.
So it's in TxDOT's court.
They're giving us a couple more comments, and then we'll be ready to bid that project
out.
>> Okay.
We have a question.
>> I don't have any problems with this, but something that occurred to me in a previous
meeting, I meant to bring it up, and I think it's germane to any of these times when we're
phasing our projects.
I don't know that the oversight board always knows how long particular projects are forecast
to be.
So when we see it's a one-year, two-year, we've got a three-month delay or a nine-month
delay or we're two months early or whatever.
We don't have a framework of context for the goodness or badness of that phasing.
So if there was a way that we could get the information that this is 30% through a three-year
contract or something like that to where we understood the framework and context of phasing
for this and a lot of the other things, too.
I was going to ask John for that if he presented today.
>> Yeah.
And so we are working on something that would probably help out, but we're looking at doing
construction estimate or construction updates throughout the life of the projects and with
our communications team doing videos and updates.
So it's not just at the beginning of a project we're saying, "Hey, we're starting," and
at the end of a project, "Hey, we're finished."
We want to show that update as we're going, "Hey, we're actually out here doing work.
This is what it looks like.
These are where we're at with the project," and those types of things.
So I think we can absolutely bring that back and start doing some outreach like that.
>> Thank you.
>> You know, even on a spreadsheet, you know, just something visual.
>> Sure.
No problem.
We can do that.
That's easy.
Yeah, we keep all that stuff internally, so we can absolutely share that.
>> That would be great.
>> So Ronnie Road -- I'll switch to the map here in a second, but in the last meeting,
we talked about the Ronnie Road and kind of all what's going on in that area and how it's
affecting everything there.
So there are currently three capital projects that are happening in that area.
Bonnebrae Phase 6, which I just talked about, that one's looking to start construction,
probably start construction in Q2 of next year.
We also have what we call the Ronnie Road East project, and so that is going to be -- it's
probably easier for me to show you on the map as I'm talking.
So Bonnebrae Phase 6 is this red line that's running from US 77 all the way to 380.
This blue line right here is Ronnie Road East.
That's what we're talking about.
So it's going to pick up kind of from where Bonnebrae Phase 6 stops on Ronnie Road, right
in front of where the new elementary school is going to be, and then it will continue
out to the east to US 77.
That project is going to complete that road.
It's going to widen it out to that full width, and there's also some parks trails that are
included in that project as well that will connect the new elementary school down to
North Lakes, and it will continue on down there.
So that project is currently slated to start in quarter one -- no, I'm sorry, quarter four
of 2024.
So it's currently under design right now.
We're almost at 30%.
That should be a pretty quick project to do, at least the roadway, and I'll get to kind
of some phasing here in a second.
And then the third project is the Westgate project.
So this is the one that will reconstruct North-South Westgate from Windsor up to Westgate.
It will also reconstruct the East-West Westgate, and it will connect East-West Westgate to
Bronco Way.
So this project will complete that North-South Westgate all the way up to Westgate -- East-West
Westgate connected to Bronco Way, and then we're going to work through renaming that
roadway to Bronco Way all the way from the frontage road to U.S. 77.
I have a question.
Sure, go ahead.
Very generic question.
Yeah.
When you all reconstruct a road like Riney Road and all of these roads that are no roads
and are becoming roads, how do you all determine the lighting?
I have a problem with lighting and trees.
Sure.
So we have started running photometric studies on all of our projects to determine what lighting
needs to happen, where it needs to go, all those types of things.
DME now has a new lighting standard that we design all our projects to.
So all these projects are going through that kind of -- including that complete streets
that we talk about a lot, is making sure that we are evaluating all the utilities, all the
pedestrian, all the roadway, lighting is included in that.
So those are one of the things that we're looking at as we design these projects and
adding into it if need be.
That's very helpful.
I think that one of my -- I guess I would call it a pet peeve that there is a lot of
lighting and then you drive down the roadway and then there's no lighting.
Right.
So hopefully this process that you all are going through --
Yes, ma'am, it's absolutely one of the things that we're considering.
We don't want to put in a bunch of pedestrian walkway and then it's dark and no one wants
to use it because they're -- absolutely.
And then trees, we try to save trees wherever we can.
We design around trees if possible.
We don't like to tear out trees if we don't have to.
Trees like on a boulevard, should this be like a boulevard?
Because up here on this east side of Rainey that's in the blue?
Yes, ma'am.
I think there's like a little center line there.
If it's not, I'm in the wrong spot.
Yeah, it's a very narrow road, Rainey.
You know, broken space like Baby Bronco Way is very wide.
Sure, so we coordinate with our parks department.
Historically, parks has not been a part of those conversations.
They kind of come in on the backside, on the back end of the projects and then start, you know,
do the landscaping, irrigation, those types of things.
We've started bringing them on the beginning of the project so that they can have --
they can start those conversations, include that in the project for us to complete while we're there.
It's cheaper, it's easier for us to do it while it's already there.
So we're bringing in our parks department and getting their feedback as a part of designing these projects.
Have you all ever done any kind of public input in regards to trees in the median?
So I would say not specific to trees if it comes up during those community meetings,
but that's absolutely a question we should be bringing up.
There's certain types of trees that work better in medians or work on the outside just because we don't want them to --
you know, we don't want them to grow out.
We want them to grow down because if you grow out, then you start breaking up concrete and those types of things.
So we work with parks department, our landscape, urban forestry -- I can't remember what its title is.
Haywood.
Yeah, I can't remember its title, but yeah, we have specific trees in our specifications that we allow in different areas.
And then the next question is, does all roadways that fits the criteria to possibly have trees,
will they have trees or is there a certain type of specification that they don't have trees?
Like I'm riding down the road, all the trees, then go down a little bit more, no trees.
How does that work?
Yeah, I'm not sure what the cutoff is for that, why we would have them or not have them.
So that's something I can look into and get back with you on.
I know we're adding them wherever we can.
Okay, we're adding them.
Yeah, but I'll definitely get you a more concrete answer on that.
Yeah, because I'm saying, okay, all the trees, no lighting.
No trees, all the lighting.
I don't know how that works.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you for allowing me that answer.
Sure.
And then the last piece of Westgate will also widen Windsor from Westgate all the way to I-35, so this little piece down here.
That project is currently slated to start construction quarter four of 2024.
So if you've been tracking along with me, we're going to have all three of these projects under construction at the same time.
So we're already working through phasing of those projects to make sure that we're keeping traffic into and out of DISD,
looking at what we can do first, what can we do second, and kind of make sure that there's still traffic flowing in and out.
We've already started preliminary conversations with UNT and DCTA about their routes, those types of things.
I actually sat on a meeting yesterday with both of them.
So keeping those lines of communication open, making sure that we're coordinating with them.
And kind of pivoting as we need to to make sure we keep their services running as well.
I have another question about Ronnie Road.
Sure.
Did ISD and the new school coming up, what's the connection with that road and when they're going to finish their project?
So they actually delayed the building of their elementary school a year to allow us to get out there and try to get this done as fast as we can.
It was a CMO priority to move forward with the Ronnie Road East project that wasn't a project before.
But the little red piece that you see right here is being done as a part of Bonnie Gray Phase 6.
We have an interlocal agreement with the ISD and they paid for that piece.
But we didn't want to have a fully constructed roadway right in front of the elementary school.
And then this little piece that goes off to the off to the east just be that road narrow.
So we wanted to get out there and finish that project as quickly as we could.
Yes, sir. Yeah, the phasing.
I'm getting a lot of feedback from the community about that.
There there's a lot of not heartburn.
There's a little concern about the phasing here because there's no way to avoid for the northwest side of town, the high school, the new elementary school.
There's limited arterials in that region.
So they're still in the trusting phase, but they're nervous as heck right now because there's already traffic issues on Bonnie Gray and Windsor through that whole corridor and West Gate.
So there if we we we need to be really mindful of this because otherwise everyone's going to get it in their email.
Absolutely. We're very cognizant of that.
That's why we've started those conversations now.
We've got almost nine months until two of those projects kick off.
But I want to make sure that we've got a plan for that before we start having possibly three separate contractors all out there all doing their own thing.
And football games and drop off and projects and everything else for a functional.
Right. It's going to be a lot of coordination.
Valo Center, everything.
A lot of coordination, but we're up to the challenge and we're going to make sure that we're we're doing our due diligence and keeping that open as much as possible.
All right.
Hickory Creek phase three.
So not much of an update here.
Still working through the issue with the railroad, but planning on being back to construction first of the year.
And we don't anticipate that delaying the project.
Jamie Street.
So we did some research.
Jamie Street is actually included in neighborhood 5A, one of our 2019 bond projects.
So we're looking to begin construction in quarter one of next year with a tentative construction start in quarter two.
So I'm sorry, we're going to start design in quarter one of next year.
Start construction in quarter two of 2025.
And that'll be full street reconstruction along with utility replacement and sidewalk connectivity where we can.
McCain Street safety issues.
So the McCain sidewalks was approved as part of the 23-24 bond process.
We have we've started design on that project.
It's going to complete the sidewalk connectivity from Woodrow to loop 288.
Depending on what the right of way we need to acquire is going to really drive the timeline there.
It's looking like we have a majority of the right of way we need on the south side.
So that's our plan right now.
We're looking at making that connectivity on the south side.
We've also had some conversations with DME about putting in some temporary lighting out there.
That was one of the concerns raised last meeting.
So putting up some temporary lighting and then also folding in the permanent lighting into that sidewalk project as well if our funds allow it.
So that will already have the connectivity on the south side and then putting the permanent lighting.
And then at some time in the future, we'll come back and do a full project to reconstruct bikini.
Does anybody have a question?
That's question educational question and I'll use McKinney Street as an example.
The majority the south side of McKinney Street between Woodrow and 288.
Those areas are developed for the most part, for the most part.
So this should be a kind of a no brainer type situation.
But then there is a certain section that is still not been sold or being used.
That's close to the park.
Yes. How does how does the city deal with or handle or resolve a situation where there is still land that hasn't been sold and not in a prospect of being sold right now.
And there is no sidewalk there.
How do we go about resolving something like sure. So that's kind of what I'm talking about is that right away acquisition.
So what will normally happen is through a development process, one of these buildings will come in as a part.
If we don't as a part of that construction, we require them to put in that sign right over there.
If we're ready to put in a sidewalk and no one has bought that partial yet or it's for sale,
then we will come in and buy the right of way that we need to put in the sidewalk and we'll make that connectivity.
So when I say depending on what right away we need, that's what I'm talking about.
We'll have to go and negotiate with those property owners and buy that piece of right away to install that sidewalk.
Okay. Yes, ma'am.
I'm going to bring this up in the matrix, but I have a question and exactly this for when when we do future items for the interchange of 380 and 288.
So I'm just sort of putting a pin in it now because I'm not sure it's for this agenda item.
But when we get to the right agenda item, I want to bring up this exact subject.
Perfect. Sounds good.
I'm going to hand it off to Korea to talk about signage.
Okay.
I bring this down a bit short.
Oh, yeah.
Carina Maldonado, Transportation Planner with Transportation Services.
So this item is a follow up from our last meeting.
There was the presentation on bicycle etiquette for our facilities in the city of Denton.
And the question came up regarding signage and where it's necessary when there's the allowance for bicycles to take up a full lane or have a share.
Oh, and maybe there's no signage there.
So staff did a little bit of that background research to make sure that if signage needed to be put up that we adequately did that and find out what regulating laws come into play.
So with this item, there's a couple of state requirements or state
legislation that that kind of speaks to what we would do.
So I provided that in the staff report and basically, you know, cyclists where they can take up the full lane, they would just go furthest to the right, whether they're signage or not.
The lack of signage would not determine the lack of a use of the facility.
And then something else that comes up in our Texas transportation code, I think, specific to limited access facilities and control facilities, which is, I think, particular to your question, Council Member Beck.
It would have to be by ordinance or by ordinance of the city or a resolution by the Texas Transportation Commission, limiting the ability of a cyclist to use those facilities, whether it be a frontage road off the or the actual use of that facility.
We know that it's dangerous, so we wouldn't really recommend a cyclist to use those facilities, but we can't really control their behavior at a certain point.
But for those instances, as for an example, if the city of Denton was to pass an ordinance specifically prohibiting the use of cyclists on Loop 288, for example, we would then have to go and put the signage ourselves.
Without the lack of signage by state law, they're allowed to use the facility as long as they use it correctly, which is to ride as far right as possible, unless there's a specific designation or separated facility.
So in general, you know, the signage wouldn't necessarily need to be up or not. However, we do proceed to use it just for wayfinding or education. We would just make sure that we follow the Texas manual on signage and I always forget the MUTCD, but we'll go ahead and find that.
We just dropped. Yes, they just the DOT just passed the 11th edition. So we'll see how Texas follows that.
So I don't know if there's any questions on this item, but generally staff just recommends evaluating on a case by case basis for signage for bicycle facilities.
And then just if we find additional educational information, we'll make sure to post that on our website or have that available.
Yes, sir. I think thank you for that cream I appreciate all that I think the if I remember the discussion last time that we're trying to get to improve safety more within our, our regular you know residential and arterials and collectors and things rather than
I mean I was using the example the highways as a, as a clear. This is bad idea to be anything but a car on a highway or a controlled access way. But,
although obviously they use them like when they they bike between Ray Roberts and Dallas they're going to take highways.
But I think the more issue is when there was conflicts because the issue came up with a like Parkway and Carol and some other places where there is ambiguity as to who who controlled the lane.
Like I think Carol and and see their oak or Parkway one of them, where they're sort of sort of a lane and sort of not a lane made it unclear like if a bike is going straight across an intersection the cars turning right.
You mean obviously the proper behaviors to yield to not kill people, but that it. I think we were more interested in what's the best practice signage in those cases.
I mean if you're, if staff feels like their comments address that then I'm good with letting letting it go but I feel like you, we will probably get feedback from the committee and from the community that there are pain points.
Yeah, we need to address, I'll say I didn't quite catch that specific request. It didn't quite come through.
But we can certainly look at that. As I mentioned, we do have to evaluate on a case by case basis for each facility.
The other thing we have to consider is sign clutter, because it would end up being counterintuitive to add additional signage in certain areas where maybe there's already five other signs.
So what we do need to look at is the context of those intersection the context of that facility, and then there's, there's multiple ways we could kind of come about with the way finding.
There's pavement markings we'd have to evaluate the maintenance cost of that and whether that's the right approach, or signage would be appropriate.
I think the other thing to consider is, we just mentioned this earlier is the adoption of the 11th edition of the MUT CD.
Prior to that the signage was not very, or the guidance on bike pit facilities I should say, was not up to date. And so that's what the city would have used for our city facilities on signage and pavement markings.
And so now with the new edition being out I think there's a little bit more options for us to consider on signage placement and type of appropriate signage.
So, we as staff and our traffic operations team would evaluate that. So if there's a specific area we need to look at and we mentioned Parkway in Oakland where it sort of transitions off, we'll look at that area and identify what the best signage is.
And then for other facilities, you know the community comes out and say there's a specific area that's not working for me we can evaluate that.
Question.
What part of the roadway construction process would the signage, or is the signage comes in after the project, and the you know it's put down and the houses are in and the, you know, the cars are coming, you know, like, like, like, like Bronco way.
Yeah, so I can speak to the development side of Trevor wants to speak on the capital project side but for development projects that come in. Typically the striping and the signage is reviewed during the civil engineering plans.
So they have to provide those plan sheets and provide them to us and we would evaluate based on those standards.
So, at least on the development review side that's when it would come in I would imagine that the capital project side it's just, again, during the design stage we would evaluate that, okay, so you're further up higher up into the process.
Thank you.
Anything else.
Anything else. I just want to confirm if we still want to follow up on.
We'll, we'll provide another update based on the specific these questions.
Thank you very much.
Well, we have the future items.
So we'll go through the future items for agenda. So by greater, the binary room update we'll keep that one on that's just a rolling update.
The right construction schedule map.
We would request to take that one off unless you want to just have a continual update on where we're at with those, those three projects.
I'm not sure we needed every month. Yeah.
The thing I was going to ask, and I made a note of is, and I went to look at discuss that and I see the map and there is like weekly street closure calendar but there's sort of, and correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't see a long term year long.
Two year long, three year long calendar to go along with the, the CIP map. So maybe we could have a calendar that just updated and have that discussed that.
So that we can reference the phasing specific to road closures or phasing or more of the capital projects and phasing because you already have the road closures.
Right. So that's weekly. That's nice.
But, but we, I can't look out into the future I'm like, oh in July, this road is going to be closed, even though I, you know that already.
Well I don't for those specifics so when a construction, when it's, when it's under construction we get a schedule from the contractor that says hey, within these two years, this is how we're going to structure our work.
And the problem with that is depending on all kinds of things they start moving things around. And we get those updates every month so our project team is reviewing those schedule updates, making sure that it makes sense making sure they're not doing things
we're not supposed to do, and all those types of things so I would be hesitant to post that because it changes so often. I don't want to be giving information that may change in the next week.
I think we can give an overall saying, well, I don't know. Let me think about that a little bit.
I would encourage us to do it anyway maybe with big bold letters that this may, this is subject to change.
Only, only because I think, you know, expectation management in my, in my career has been people digest changes better than surprises.
No, that makes sense. Yeah, let me let me think on that what's the best way to kind of present that and that we usually get that after we've been it out to construction so the contractor will come in on the C more projects that we're currently doing,
we get that a lot earlier so those will be a lot easier to kind of project out kind of where we're going to be within that project timeline but let me think on that a little bit I've got a note, and we'll see what's the best way to kind of present that information.
I'm thinking that since we talk on quarterly basis. Okay.
Then maybe you know, like a Janey Street, we don't need to continue to talk about that if we know, you know, I've already been given our, our notice that this quarter we're doing this on that quarter.
You know, just updating quarterly, you know, please consider that as well. Okay, and some maybe needed quarterly some maybe needed monthly I don't know. Okay, you all please make that determination but absolutely.
So, you know, things like Janey Street, you've already told us about that.
We've already got the McKinney Street.
And we know that we're still in the process of that will be a quarterly.
Yeah, and I'm looking at these and maybe it makes sense for kind of the construction projects to move those to quarterly instead of, you know, monthly because I've come and said the same thing, three times on Hickory Creek and Bonnie Bray so, and maybe.
So maybe move all the kind of construction one so 1234 and five to quarterly, and then also if there's any big updates we can bring those back and make sure we're, we're letting you know about them. Yeah, that looks like a lot of things there.
When they really are not right yeah it's a lot of the same updates. Unfortunately, we don't get a whole lot of changes from month to month.
Okay, so I think that takes care of one through five.
Number six, we will, I think we can remove that one but come back with a separate item specific to customer best question if you all are good with that.
downtown the city downtown parking study.
I think we have to bring that one back when when information is available.
The transportation service report that will start next month. Right. Yep.
Yes ma'am.
Mapping for sidewalk and bike corridor so we're going to bring that back once we complete GIS mapping layers.
Let me ask you something about that with them. So, you said once you complete the GIS mapping layers is will that that's an ongoing project right now. Yes ma'am.
And so, do you all think that you would be bringing that to us monthly or this that sounds like a monthly type thing.
I don't know what do you think. Sounds like it's, it's happening now. So they're working on completing the layers I think once we complete that then we'll come back and present that information maybe at that time we can determine how often you want to
get an update on that but I feel like it's a just a project that they're doing.
Yeah, just a one off. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think we would come back and just say hey we've completed this is where it's at this is where it's looking this is where it's at where it looks like and then you do that quarterly.
It'll be an ongoing it'll be ongoing later so the layers will be there. Yes ma'am.
Yeah, it's just layers that they're adding on to the GIS map so interesting.
Alright, ITS update so we'll have another ITS update next month when I'm john's back in town.
And then the Ryan road update.
Y'all know what's going on with Ryan road so we'll, we've actually kicked off the construction on Ryan road again.
I mean, the design, but we won't go into construction till Hickory Creek three is almost done.
And I know customer back had something you want to add. Yes. Yeah, so it's a parking back to that item earlier.
I've talked with some of the, the owners of the properties, west of the southbound on ramp, the plant factory say joke memory center.
And then there's our DME staging field north of the shelter.
At 288 380. Okay. And it's my understanding that some of those owners have put monies into escrow for sidewalks.
And I understand that that's a text off facility going into a text that facility, which is the perfect storm of not getting anything done sorry text.
But can with what can we, what are our options for side path mobility.
Along that region, because there is extra demand for bike pad, because we have the shelter there unusual demand.
Because the people that utilize those services tend to not be car based. Right. And so, there is there is, again, an overlap of bike pad issues both safety of people walking along on ramps.
And this has been brought up in council before. And then in addition to that flow traffic because now there's a bunch of dirt destination pathing that, as we try to get to services that are creating problems because the, there's, there's no sanctioned pathway.
There's only filtering through people's private property, and that is causing some heartburn as we try to stitch all these services together, especially with monies being paid by the owners into an escrow cap for side paths.
Absolutely, I realize that's not our exact issue it's a text that issue but can we have updates on how the levers we can pull the pressure we can apply when how we can do this because these kinds of side pathing are our responsibility to do.
I think, but yet, we have to ask permission from text up because these are these right away is controlled by text. Absolutely so we do do sidewalks on text that right away I mean text that roadways all the time we've got one coming up on 38.
And we're also currently doing the one on loop 288 right near the shelter so let me check with text on that that specific corner to see where that money is, and what's going on with it they have plans.
One of the issues you just named or what drives the sidewalk PPI index that tells us what sidewalks coming next. So let me check on that corner specifically, and talk with text out and see where they're at what if they have plans coming up in the future if not maybe
that's something we need to start looking at making as connection pieces. I would love that and it's a small corollary and I'm not sure if it's the same item or, or can technically different item but the south of the shelter.
The new that new subdivision is putting in sidewalks but then there's a gap to the apartment complexes, we're going to connect it, you're going to connect it okay good because that connectivity is, it's the same problematic issues that I just described right.
Yeah, we've got it being designed right now.
Perfect.
I saw a gentleman the other day.
Two days ago I was on 288 South going towards 35, but between the shelter.
Between the, between this, well between Morris, sorry, or Audra, or I would even say 380 and more history.
That was trying to maneuver between more street and.
And I mean this down there is just no sidewalk.
But he was really really having a hard time. Okay, nearly to the point of me wanting to pull over and put them in my car and take him to taking him to where he needed to go.
So the, the need is immediate. Right. And so whatever that that takes. I'm sure you all are going to do your very best to, you know, make something happen.
I could have easily just fallen over. Right. So, you know, so it's, it's very real and somebody that doesn't have the mobility opportunity, you know we're just doing ourselves a disservice for not making sure all of us.
So just wanted to put that on the books there. Yes sir. Thank you chair. The other thing I wanted to bring up that the chair's comments were reminded me is some developers have talked to me about.
They don't know whether we have five foot side paths or 10 foot side paths. And, and I'm like, I'm that put me into doubt that I know what our requirements are, and I'm not sure this is an agenda item but if staff could get back in touch with me with the regulations.
Maybe share it here, share it to the whole committee. What the regulations are regarding side path with in various areas, I would, I would appreciate that I encouraged them to talk with staff as the experts on that item, but I told them I couldn't, I couldn't address that.
And if, you know, just just for my education I'd like to be aware.
You know, like, so I could say, pretty sure it's 10 but please go talk to staff, absolutely we can bring that back with the requirements are what we were what we require what the different sizes all those types of things.
Thank you. Yep, no problem.
Anything else.
Any roadways you want them to take a look at anything on your mind right now. My the big one was the 3280. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Okay, so we're going to go on to concluding items.
Did you have any concluding items that you wanted to put out there for the people.
I don't have any additional items. Okay, I don't have any additional items either.
City, are we okay.
Alright, so I am going to conclude the meeting at 853.
Thank you.