1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,620 >> Good morning, and welcome to the mobility committee, Wednesday, December the 20th, 8AM. 2 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:16,300 We've determined that a quorum is present, and we're going to convene in our regular 3 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:19,180 meeting this morning at 8AM. 4 00:00:19,180 --> 00:00:26,260 Do we have any consent -- I'm sorry, citizens' comments on any agenda items, John? 5 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:27,260 Okay. 6 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:29,860 Then we'll move on to number two. 7 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:39,160 Commence for individual consideration, A, MC23-060, consider approval of the minutes 8 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:41,000 of November 29th, 2023. 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,960 Can we get a motion for approval? 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,960 >> I move approval. 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,680 >> I second, and -- or vote? 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,680 >> Aye. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,680 >> Aye. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,680 >> All right. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,680 Ayes have it. 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:01:02,740 On to B, MC23-061, receive a report, hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton Transportation 17 00:01:02,740 --> 00:01:05,080 Mobility Project Status Report. 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:12,300 >> Mr. Polster is not able to attend today, so we're going to have to hold that item. 19 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:13,300 >> Okay. 20 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:14,300 All right. 21 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:15,300 Well, yes. 22 00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:20,340 >> Will that -- will the -- any updates will be consolidated into the January update? 23 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:21,340 >> Yes. 24 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:22,340 >> Okay. 25 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:23,340 All right. 26 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:24,340 Good. 27 00:01:24,340 --> 00:01:25,340 Thank you for asking that question. 28 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:26,340 All right. 29 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:33,180 Well, then we'll move on to C, MC23-068, receive a report, hold a discussion and approve the 30 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:36,740 Mobility 2024 meeting schedule. 31 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:37,740 >> So staff -- 32 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:38,740 >> Do you have some information on that? 33 00:01:38,740 --> 00:01:46,080 >> Staff is proposing to have the meetings the fourth -- Wednesday of the month, and 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:51,860 we provided in your backup a calendar that shows when they were following a council meeting. 35 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:54,860 So council meeting on Tuesday, then we have back-to-back. 36 00:01:54,860 --> 00:02:03,140 We have a couple of them, but we're also proposing to move them to 10 a.m., instead of 8 a.m. 37 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:06,940 >> At this point, as a chair, I am okay with that. 38 00:02:06,940 --> 00:02:07,940 I'll -- 39 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:08,940 >> Yeah. 40 00:02:08,940 --> 00:02:14,020 I think the two of us, as I recall the previous discussion, were fine with 8, 9, or 10. 41 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:18,180 We were fine with Wednesdays or whatever. 42 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:24,300 I think the constriction was Councilor McGee, who unfortunately is not here. 43 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:29,940 So I don't know whether that will, you know, be -- 44 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:33,420 >> You're making a decision? 45 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:34,420 >> Yeah. 46 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:40,820 >> Well, did Councilor McGee give any indication of what he would like to consider? 47 00:02:40,820 --> 00:02:41,820 Okay. 48 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:46,940 So I am going to look for a motion for approval. 49 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:49,740 >> I think this is direction, Chair. 50 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:50,740 >> Direction. 51 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:57,780 >> But, yeah, I'm okay with this, and I guess we can ask Councilor McGee to come bring this 52 00:02:57,780 --> 00:02:59,820 back if this is not tenable. 53 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:00,820 >> Yeah. 54 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:02,820 Let's do that. 55 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:14,980 So this is just -- we have, I guess, tentatively and -- or let's say permanently made a decision 56 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:22,200 to approve the Mobility Committee 2024 meeting schedule, and is this for a motion, or are 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,340 we just approving what we suggested on last -- 58 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:27,340 >> I think you have to vote on it. 59 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:28,340 >> I have to vote on it? 60 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:29,340 Okay. 61 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:30,340 So we're going to just look for a motion. 62 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:31,340 Would you like to motion that? 63 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:32,340 >> Yeah. 64 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:33,340 I'll move it, please. 65 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:34,340 >> All right. 66 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:35,340 And I'll second. 67 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:44,620 So we will vote yes to the affirmative for both of us, and 10, 10 to 12 is what we're 68 00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:47,620 approving. 69 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:48,620 So the ayes have it. 70 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:49,620 Can we not get an aye? 71 00:03:49,620 --> 00:03:50,620 >> Aye. 72 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:51,620 >> All right. 73 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:52,620 We got ayes have it. 74 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:53,620 Okay. 75 00:03:53,620 --> 00:04:02,220 So then we're going to move on to DMC 23-076, Discussion, Consideration, and Recommendation. 76 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:06,860 Regarding the composition and direction of the City of Denton Mobility Committee. 77 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:07,860 Yes. 78 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:10,100 We need to have that discussion. 79 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:19,860 >> So this item I added to the agenda in response to dissolving the Traffic Safety Commission. 80 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:26,060 Council had made some comments when we brought the item forward about having different representation 81 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:31,580 on the committee, so I wanted to discuss the possibility of adding two seats to the Mobility 82 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:38,900 Committee that are, you know, community members, possibly previous Traffic Safety Commissioners, 83 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:44,060 and then that would make this committee no longer a council subcommittee, but it would 84 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:55,060 be an advisory committee to council, but wanted to get the committee's input, direction on 85 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:57,620 what you would like to see moving forward. 86 00:04:57,620 --> 00:04:58,620 >> Yes. 87 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:10,180 >> So I know some of the discussion centered around getting that additional community input. 88 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:16,980 Some of the things that I think we weren't sure on is was there any requirements that 89 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:25,140 there be a council subcommittee to handle any particular business if we were to dissolve 90 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:31,460 and reform this committee with additional members and an additional structure, would 91 00:05:31,460 --> 00:05:32,460 that break anything? 92 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:36,780 >> Not that I'm aware of, but Hillary, do you know if there's any? 93 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:37,780 >> No. 94 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:43,540 I'm not aware of it, but I'm also very new. 95 00:05:43,540 --> 00:05:46,540 >> Is this your new assignment? 96 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:49,540 >> No, I'm just covering Ben. 97 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:50,540 >> Oh. 98 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:56,420 >> I did talk to Mac about it, and while it's not, you know, we could go either way. 99 00:05:56,420 --> 00:06:01,980 We could add members to the Traffic Safety Commission, dissolve Mobility Committee, but 100 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:07,460 the recommendation was to dissolve Traffic Safety because we're having quorum issues, 101 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:12,540 and a lot of the items that we're bringing, we're bringing to both committees. 102 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:22,380 >> I think there is generally, you know, a consensus and approval to having some sort 103 00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:32,980 of joint thing, kind of like the DCRC in some ways, but the -- yeah, I just want -- I don't 104 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:34,580 personally mind that reorganization. 105 00:06:34,580 --> 00:06:40,780 I just don't want us to make sure we don't break some sort of state requirement that 106 00:06:40,780 --> 00:06:48,980 four Mobility Communities, four municipal government, but as long as there's not -- then -- I saw 107 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:56,820 staff in the AIS had a recommendation of five, so to add two citizens. 108 00:06:56,820 --> 00:07:02,100 Yeah, odd numbers are better than even numbers, as we're finding on DCRC. 109 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:05,000 >> We are finding them. 110 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:13,980 >> Yes, I -- the only challenge will be how those two are nominated, I think, would be 111 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:17,300 the challenging aspect. 112 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:21,100 I guess that would have to come before all of council. 113 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:22,100 >> Yes. 114 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:26,980 >> And you all will make the recommendation for us. 115 00:07:26,980 --> 00:07:29,300 >> We can make a recommendation on how the -- 116 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,740 >> How they're going to be nominated. 117 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:35,340 >> Yes, how the nomination process goes. 118 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:36,340 >> Okay. 119 00:07:36,340 --> 00:07:41,420 Well, as far as I'm concerned, you know, I think it would be great to have some additional 120 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:51,380 ears, eyes and ears, citizenry, eyes and ears on this committee. 121 00:07:51,380 --> 00:07:58,740 But explain to me how this committee -- this is for educational purposes -- how this committee 122 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:08,020 with just city council members on it is going to change the value of this committee with 123 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:11,780 having additional two citizens on it. 124 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:18,220 What's going to change in terms of the value of what we're doing here? 125 00:08:18,220 --> 00:08:22,260 >> I think, you know, you'll still hear and see the same items. 126 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:26,460 It's just whether or not you want a different type of representation on your committee. 127 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:32,420 So ultimately, right now, you're a subcommittee of council, so you see the things in a little 128 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:37,220 bit more detail than the full council sees, especially on some of the projects, you're 129 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:39,700 able to dig in a lot more. 130 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:44,900 If you would like some more citizen input, then adding a couple of seats to the committee 131 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:48,500 may give you a different perspective before they get to council items. 132 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:49,500 But that's -- 133 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:52,500 >> That's pretty much all I have to say. 134 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:54,460 >> Thank you, Chair. 135 00:08:54,460 --> 00:09:04,620 Are there -- two things -- are there legal differences when we're an entire body of council? 136 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:09,660 That membership is one thing, and if you're -- if citizen members -- does that change 137 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:15,980 the kinds of materials that we can see, the kinds of discussions we can have? 138 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:16,980 >> No. 139 00:09:16,980 --> 00:09:17,980 >> Okay. 140 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:21,180 >> No, it's all open to the public. 141 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:29,100 And does this committee have executive session? 142 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:30,100 And would that committee -- 143 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:36,420 >> I don't. 144 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:37,420 >> I don't believe you do. 145 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:39,340 >> I don't think we do. 146 00:09:39,340 --> 00:09:40,340 >> Okay. 147 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:41,340 >> Okay. 148 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:51,900 Well, we do have some boards and commissions that have a mix of council and citizens on 149 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:52,900 them. 150 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:56,520 So it would be very much similar to that. 151 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:02,860 It would no longer -- you know, it would just be an advisory committee, but like, EDP board 152 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:07,340 is one where you have a mix of current council members and community. 153 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:08,340 >> CRC. 154 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:09,340 >> CRC. 155 00:10:09,340 --> 00:10:16,020 >> Well, my biggest goal in the conversation and the things that went on in council is 156 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:21,740 to maintain that level of community input on these items. 157 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:30,640 You know, however we reduce the load on staff sort of was sort of up to staff to some degree. 158 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,380 That was my biggest concern about the dissolution of the traffic safety committee was keeping 159 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:39,860 that broader community feedback. 160 00:10:39,860 --> 00:10:46,860 So if this isn't quite as broad as we had before, I think there was five members on 161 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:47,860 that committee? 162 00:10:47,860 --> 00:10:48,860 >> Three. 163 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:49,860 >> Three? 164 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:50,860 Oh, then it is nearly as broad. 165 00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:53,700 Then there's really not much to complain about there. 166 00:10:53,700 --> 00:11:00,100 >> And two of the seats were vacant and have been vacant for a while, so we were having 167 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:01,100 quorum challenges on that. 168 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:06,700 >> The quorum for the new committee would be any member? 169 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:11,780 So if there were -- so for instance, councilmember McGee is not here, we can maintain this quorum 170 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:18,940 with two councilmembers, but quorum on the new committee would be any member of the committee? 171 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:19,940 >> I would think so, yes. 172 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:20,940 >> Okay. 173 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:26,700 I mean, any member -- any collection over 50% of the committee? 174 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:27,700 Okay. 175 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:28,700 >> Okay. 176 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:34,500 And just like in DCRC, where we have specific rules that the chair needs to be a member 177 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:42,340 of council, we could potentially fine tune and expanded mobility committee's procedural 178 00:11:42,340 --> 00:11:43,340 rules as well. 179 00:11:43,340 --> 00:11:44,340 >> That's what we'll need. 180 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:45,340 >> Yeah. 181 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:48,860 Like if there's a preference for -- to ensure that the chair is a member of council, or 182 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:56,700 if there is a preference to ensure that quorum is a specific mix of members, we could draft 183 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:57,700 accordingly. 184 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:58,700 >> Okay. 185 00:11:58,700 --> 00:11:59,700 That's what we'll need. 186 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:00,700 >> Yeah. 187 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:01,700 I would encourage that modeling of the -- 188 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:02,700 >> Quorum of council. 189 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:03,700 >> The leadership of council, or of the body being from council. 190 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:04,700 >> Okay. 191 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:05,700 Do you want chair and vice chair to be council, or just chair? 192 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:06,700 Does it matter? 193 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:07,700 >> Chair and vice chair. 194 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:08,700 >> Right. 195 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:09,700 Okay. 196 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:10,700 We can -- 197 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:11,700 >> Definitely. 198 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:22,700 >> If only because that adds that extra layer to keep it sort of more, you know, well -- 199 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:23,700 >> Okay. 200 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:31,700 >> Adding the advisory positions of the citizens to the committee, rather than -- I think that 201 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:36,700 helps with the merger and consistency with direction. 202 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:37,700 >> Okay. 203 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:42,700 So can we get a -- do we need -- we need a most -- is this -- we're just a recommendation 204 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:43,700 right now. 205 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:44,700 >> Just a recommendation. 206 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:45,700 >> Okay. 207 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:47,700 So yes, we -- I'd like to direct us to do that. 208 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:50,700 And it sounds like we have consensus here. 209 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:51,700 >> Yeah. 210 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:55,700 >> So we're going to move you off first and move forward with -- and then when this comes 211 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:56,700 -- this is going to come back to the council again. 212 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:57,700 >> Yes. 213 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:58,700 It will come to council. 214 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:03,700 >> And then we'll -- we can definitely be in agreement to dissolve the traffic safety 215 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:04,700 committee. 216 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,700 >> Are we -- are we coming back here first, or are we going straight to council? 217 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:12,700 >> I was planning on taking it to council just because I wanted to have the discussion 218 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:18,700 at the same time as the -- as dissolving traffic safety commission, so that the full council 219 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:19,700 kind of understood. 220 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,700 But if you'd prefer to bring it back here first. 221 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:23,700 >> No, I'm okay. 222 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:26,700 I was just asking for understanding the timeline. 223 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,700 I do have one other question, Chair, if you mind. 224 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:30,700 >> Yeah. 225 00:13:30,700 --> 00:13:36,700 >> And that is the votes that we had on that item in council -- and I'll be mindful of 226 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:45,700 the agenda, but the -- were tied votes, which means -- makes that dissolution that you need 227 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:46,700 to come back. 228 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:47,700 >> Yes. 229 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:55,700 >> So this is a new -- completely new item to dissolve everything and then reform a new 230 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:56,700 hybrid committee? 231 00:13:56,700 --> 00:13:59,700 Is that how we would handle everything? 232 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:01,700 As a new agenda item? 233 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:09,700 >> I think we could probably do it -- that's a good question. 234 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:15,700 I could see us, you know, taking the second whack at dissolving the traffic safety and 235 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:28,700 then a subsequent item to reform as the mobility/traffic safety -- yeah, committee. 236 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:35,700 Or it may just come down to what is simpler. 237 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:37,700 >> It would definitely be a separate item. 238 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:43,700 However, we can make sure that there's information provided in the agenda information sheet to 239 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:48,700 give some more context to dissolving traffic safety with, you know, the subsequent item 240 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:51,700 of changing the mobility committee makeup. 241 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:52,700 >> Okay. 242 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:53,700 >> Perfect. 243 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:58,700 >> Yeah, I -- yeah, if we can -- if that could come out in advance for council before we see 244 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:03,700 everything, that would be -- because I think a lot of the issues sometimes are surprises. 245 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:04,700 So. 246 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:14,700 >> Well, then, you know, we had to have the delay so we can have the discussion. 247 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:17,700 This is the discussion that we were kind of missing anyway. 248 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:18,700 >> Yes. 249 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:19,700 >> So it's time. 250 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,700 So, yes, please move forward with that. 251 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:23,700 Thank you very much for that item. 252 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:38,700 So we're going to move on to EMC 23-075. 253 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:39,700 >> Good morning. 254 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,700 Trevor Crane, director of capital projects. 255 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:42,700 >> Good morning. 256 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:46,700 >> And I will -- as soon as I find the exhibit. 257 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:47,700 Perfect. 258 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:51,700 So I'm going to go through some of the staff reports today. 259 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:55,700 A lot of this you've already seen before, but we do have some updates. 260 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:59,700 So Bonnie Brade Phase 3, that project is currently under construction. 261 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:00,700 No issues there. 262 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:01,700 So moving forward. 263 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:08,700 Bonnie Brade Phase 6, no real updates yet, but we are still on track to bid that project 264 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:14,700 out in Q1 of next year, working through the last utility relocations, and then finalizing 265 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:15,700 our plans with TxDOT. 266 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:17,700 So it's in TxDOT's court. 267 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,700 They're giving us a couple more comments, and then we'll be ready to bid that project 268 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:21,700 out. 269 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:22,700 >> Okay. 270 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:23,700 We have a question. 271 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:27,700 >> I don't have any problems with this, but something that occurred to me in a previous 272 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:31,700 meeting, I meant to bring it up, and I think it's germane to any of these times when we're 273 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:33,700 phasing our projects. 274 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:41,700 I don't know that the oversight board always knows how long particular projects are forecast 275 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:42,700 to be. 276 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:47,700 So when we see it's a one-year, two-year, we've got a three-month delay or a nine-month 277 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:50,700 delay or we're two months early or whatever. 278 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:58,700 We don't have a framework of context for the goodness or badness of that phasing. 279 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:06,700 So if there was a way that we could get the information that this is 30% through a three-year 280 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:13,700 contract or something like that to where we understood the framework and context of phasing 281 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,700 for this and a lot of the other things, too. 282 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,700 I was going to ask John for that if he presented today. 283 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:19,700 >> Yeah. 284 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:23,700 And so we are working on something that would probably help out, but we're looking at doing 285 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:28,700 construction estimate or construction updates throughout the life of the projects and with 286 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:32,700 our communications team doing videos and updates. 287 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:35,700 So it's not just at the beginning of a project we're saying, "Hey, we're starting," and 288 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,700 at the end of a project, "Hey, we're finished." 289 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:41,700 We want to show that update as we're going, "Hey, we're actually out here doing work. 290 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:42,700 This is what it looks like. 291 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:45,700 These are where we're at with the project," and those types of things. 292 00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:50,700 So I think we can absolutely bring that back and start doing some outreach like that. 293 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:51,700 >> Thank you. 294 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,700 >> You know, even on a spreadsheet, you know, just something visual. 295 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:55,700 >> Sure. 296 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:56,700 No problem. 297 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:57,700 We can do that. 298 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:58,700 That's easy. 299 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,700 Yeah, we keep all that stuff internally, so we can absolutely share that. 300 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:03,700 >> That would be great. 301 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:07,700 >> So Ronnie Road -- I'll switch to the map here in a second, but in the last meeting, 302 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:11,700 we talked about the Ronnie Road and kind of all what's going on in that area and how it's 303 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,700 affecting everything there. 304 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:17,700 So there are currently three capital projects that are happening in that area. 305 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:22,700 Bonnebrae Phase 6, which I just talked about, that one's looking to start construction, 306 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:25,700 probably start construction in Q2 of next year. 307 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:30,700 We also have what we call the Ronnie Road East project, and so that is going to be -- it's 308 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:34,700 probably easier for me to show you on the map as I'm talking. 309 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:40,700 So Bonnebrae Phase 6 is this red line that's running from US 77 all the way to 380. 310 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:43,700 This blue line right here is Ronnie Road East. 311 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:44,700 That's what we're talking about. 312 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:49,700 So it's going to pick up kind of from where Bonnebrae Phase 6 stops on Ronnie Road, right 313 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:53,700 in front of where the new elementary school is going to be, and then it will continue 314 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,700 out to the east to US 77. 315 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:59,700 That project is going to complete that road. 316 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:04,700 It's going to widen it out to that full width, and there's also some parks trails that are 317 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:10,700 included in that project as well that will connect the new elementary school down to 318 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:13,700 North Lakes, and it will continue on down there. 319 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:22,700 So that project is currently slated to start in quarter one -- no, I'm sorry, quarter four 320 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:24,700 of 2024. 321 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:26,700 So it's currently under design right now. 322 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:28,700 We're almost at 30%. 323 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:33,700 That should be a pretty quick project to do, at least the roadway, and I'll get to kind 324 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:35,700 of some phasing here in a second. 325 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,700 And then the third project is the Westgate project. 326 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:45,700 So this is the one that will reconstruct North-South Westgate from Windsor up to Westgate. 327 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:52,700 It will also reconstruct the East-West Westgate, and it will connect East-West Westgate to 328 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:53,700 Bronco Way. 329 00:19:53,700 --> 00:20:00,700 So this project will complete that North-South Westgate all the way up to Westgate -- East-West 330 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:05,700 Westgate connected to Bronco Way, and then we're going to work through renaming that 331 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:12,700 roadway to Bronco Way all the way from the frontage road to U.S. 77. 332 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:13,700 I have a question. 333 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:15,700 Sure, go ahead. 334 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:17,700 Very generic question. 335 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:18,700 Yeah. 336 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:24,700 When you all reconstruct a road like Riney Road and all of these roads that are no roads 337 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:29,700 and are becoming roads, how do you all determine the lighting? 338 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:34,700 I have a problem with lighting and trees. 339 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:35,700 Sure. 340 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:40,700 So we have started running photometric studies on all of our projects to determine what lighting 341 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,700 needs to happen, where it needs to go, all those types of things. 342 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:48,700 DME now has a new lighting standard that we design all our projects to. 343 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:53,700 So all these projects are going through that kind of -- including that complete streets 344 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:58,700 that we talk about a lot, is making sure that we are evaluating all the utilities, all the 345 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:02,700 pedestrian, all the roadway, lighting is included in that. 346 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,700 So those are one of the things that we're looking at as we design these projects and 347 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:08,700 adding into it if need be. 348 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,700 That's very helpful. 349 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:17,700 I think that one of my -- I guess I would call it a pet peeve that there is a lot of 350 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:22,700 lighting and then you drive down the roadway and then there's no lighting. 351 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:23,700 Right. 352 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,700 So hopefully this process that you all are going through -- 353 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,700 Yes, ma'am, it's absolutely one of the things that we're considering. 354 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:32,700 We don't want to put in a bunch of pedestrian walkway and then it's dark and no one wants 355 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:35,700 to use it because they're -- absolutely. 356 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:39,700 And then trees, we try to save trees wherever we can. 357 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:43,700 We design around trees if possible. 358 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,700 We don't like to tear out trees if we don't have to. 359 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,700 Trees like on a boulevard, should this be like a boulevard? 360 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:54,700 Because up here on this east side of Rainey that's in the blue? 361 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:55,700 Yes, ma'am. 362 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,700 I think there's like a little center line there. 363 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,700 If it's not, I'm in the wrong spot. 364 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:04,700 Yeah, it's a very narrow road, Rainey. 365 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:09,700 You know, broken space like Baby Bronco Way is very wide. 366 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:12,700 Sure, so we coordinate with our parks department. 367 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,700 Historically, parks has not been a part of those conversations. 368 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,700 They kind of come in on the backside, on the back end of the projects and then start, you know, 369 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:22,700 do the landscaping, irrigation, those types of things. 370 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:25,700 We've started bringing them on the beginning of the project so that they can have -- 371 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:30,700 they can start those conversations, include that in the project for us to complete while we're there. 372 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:33,700 It's cheaper, it's easier for us to do it while it's already there. 373 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:38,700 So we're bringing in our parks department and getting their feedback as a part of designing these projects. 374 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:47,700 Have you all ever done any kind of public input in regards to trees in the median? 375 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:52,700 So I would say not specific to trees if it comes up during those community meetings, 376 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:55,700 but that's absolutely a question we should be bringing up. 377 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,700 There's certain types of trees that work better in medians or work on the outside just because we don't want them to -- 378 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:01,700 you know, we don't want them to grow out. 379 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,700 We want them to grow down because if you grow out, then you start breaking up concrete and those types of things. 380 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:13,700 So we work with parks department, our landscape, urban forestry -- I can't remember what its title is. 381 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:14,700 Haywood. 382 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:21,700 Yeah, I can't remember its title, but yeah, we have specific trees in our specifications that we allow in different areas. 383 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:33,700 And then the next question is, does all roadways that fits the criteria to possibly have trees, 384 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:42,700 will they have trees or is there a certain type of specification that they don't have trees? 385 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:48,700 Like I'm riding down the road, all the trees, then go down a little bit more, no trees. 386 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:50,700 How does that work? 387 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:55,700 Yeah, I'm not sure what the cutoff is for that, why we would have them or not have them. 388 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,700 So that's something I can look into and get back with you on. 389 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:00,700 I know we're adding them wherever we can. 390 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:01,700 Okay, we're adding them. 391 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:04,700 Yeah, but I'll definitely get you a more concrete answer on that. 392 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,700 Yeah, because I'm saying, okay, all the trees, no lighting. 393 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,700 No trees, all the lighting. 394 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,700 I don't know how that works. 395 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:13,700 Yes, ma'am. 396 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:15,700 Thank you for allowing me that answer. 397 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:16,700 Sure. 398 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:26,700 And then the last piece of Westgate will also widen Windsor from Westgate all the way to I-35, so this little piece down here. 399 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:32,700 That project is currently slated to start construction quarter four of 2024. 400 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:37,700 So if you've been tracking along with me, we're going to have all three of these projects under construction at the same time. 401 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:47,700 So we're already working through phasing of those projects to make sure that we're keeping traffic into and out of DISD, 402 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:52,700 looking at what we can do first, what can we do second, and kind of make sure that there's still traffic flowing in and out. 403 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:58,700 We've already started preliminary conversations with UNT and DCTA about their routes, those types of things. 404 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,700 I actually sat on a meeting yesterday with both of them. 405 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:06,700 So keeping those lines of communication open, making sure that we're coordinating with them. 406 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:12,700 And kind of pivoting as we need to to make sure we keep their services running as well. 407 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:14,700 I have another question about Ronnie Road. 408 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:15,700 Sure. 409 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:24,700 Did ISD and the new school coming up, what's the connection with that road and when they're going to finish their project? 410 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:32,700 So they actually delayed the building of their elementary school a year to allow us to get out there and try to get this done as fast as we can. 411 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:38,700 It was a CMO priority to move forward with the Ronnie Road East project that wasn't a project before. 412 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:45,700 But the little red piece that you see right here is being done as a part of Bonnie Gray Phase 6. 413 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:50,700 We have an interlocal agreement with the ISD and they paid for that piece. 414 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:57,700 But we didn't want to have a fully constructed roadway right in front of the elementary school. 415 00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:02,700 And then this little piece that goes off to the off to the east just be that road narrow. 416 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:07,700 So we wanted to get out there and finish that project as quickly as we could. 417 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:09,700 Yes, sir. Yeah, the phasing. 418 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,700 I'm getting a lot of feedback from the community about that. 419 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:18,700 There there's a lot of not heartburn. 420 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:28,700 There's a little concern about the phasing here because there's no way to avoid for the northwest side of town, the high school, the new elementary school. 421 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,700 There's limited arterials in that region. 422 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:43,700 So they're still in the trusting phase, but they're nervous as heck right now because there's already traffic issues on Bonnie Gray and Windsor through that whole corridor and West Gate. 423 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:53,700 So there if we we we need to be really mindful of this because otherwise everyone's going to get it in their email. 424 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:55,700 Absolutely. We're very cognizant of that. 425 00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,700 That's why we've started those conversations now. 426 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:02,700 We've got almost nine months until two of those projects kick off. 427 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:11,700 But I want to make sure that we've got a plan for that before we start having possibly three separate contractors all out there all doing their own thing. 428 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:16,700 And football games and drop off and projects and everything else for a functional. 429 00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:18,700 Right. It's going to be a lot of coordination. 430 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:19,700 Valo Center, everything. 431 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:30,700 A lot of coordination, but we're up to the challenge and we're going to make sure that we're we're doing our due diligence and keeping that open as much as possible. 432 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:31,700 All right. 433 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,700 Hickory Creek phase three. 434 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,700 So not much of an update here. 435 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:41,700 Still working through the issue with the railroad, but planning on being back to construction first of the year. 436 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:45,700 And we don't anticipate that delaying the project. 437 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:46,700 Jamie Street. 438 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:47,700 So we did some research. 439 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:53,700 Jamie Street is actually included in neighborhood 5A, one of our 2019 bond projects. 440 00:27:53,700 --> 00:28:01,700 So we're looking to begin construction in quarter one of next year with a tentative construction start in quarter two. 441 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:06,700 So I'm sorry, we're going to start design in quarter one of next year. 442 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,700 Start construction in quarter two of 2025. 443 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:18,700 And that'll be full street reconstruction along with utility replacement and sidewalk connectivity where we can. 444 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,700 McCain Street safety issues. 445 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:25,700 So the McCain sidewalks was approved as part of the 23-24 bond process. 446 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,700 We have we've started design on that project. 447 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:33,700 It's going to complete the sidewalk connectivity from Woodrow to loop 288. 448 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:39,700 Depending on what the right of way we need to acquire is going to really drive the timeline there. 449 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:43,700 It's looking like we have a majority of the right of way we need on the south side. 450 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:45,700 So that's our plan right now. 451 00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,700 We're looking at making that connectivity on the south side. 452 00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:53,700 We've also had some conversations with DME about putting in some temporary lighting out there. 453 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,700 That was one of the concerns raised last meeting. 454 00:28:55,700 --> 00:29:03,700 So putting up some temporary lighting and then also folding in the permanent lighting into that sidewalk project as well if our funds allow it. 455 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,700 So that will already have the connectivity on the south side and then putting the permanent lighting. 456 00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:15,700 And then at some time in the future, we'll come back and do a full project to reconstruct bikini. 457 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,700 Does anybody have a question? 458 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:26,700 That's question educational question and I'll use McKinney Street as an example. 459 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:32,700 The majority the south side of McKinney Street between Woodrow and 288. 460 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:38,700 Those areas are developed for the most part, for the most part. 461 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:43,700 So this should be a kind of a no brainer type situation. 462 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:51,700 But then there is a certain section that is still not been sold or being used. 463 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,700 That's close to the park. 464 00:29:53,700 --> 00:30:15,700 Yes. How does how does the city deal with or handle or resolve a situation where there is still land that hasn't been sold and not in a prospect of being sold right now. 465 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,700 And there is no sidewalk there. 466 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:23,700 How do we go about resolving something like sure. So that's kind of what I'm talking about is that right away acquisition. 467 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:28,700 So what will normally happen is through a development process, one of these buildings will come in as a part. 468 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:33,700 If we don't as a part of that construction, we require them to put in that sign right over there. 469 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,700 If we're ready to put in a sidewalk and no one has bought that partial yet or it's for sale, 470 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:42,700 then we will come in and buy the right of way that we need to put in the sidewalk and we'll make that connectivity. 471 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,700 So when I say depending on what right away we need, that's what I'm talking about. 472 00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:52,700 We'll have to go and negotiate with those property owners and buy that piece of right away to install that sidewalk. 473 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,700 Okay. Yes, ma'am. 474 00:30:55,700 --> 00:31:05,700 I'm going to bring this up in the matrix, but I have a question and exactly this for when when we do future items for the interchange of 380 and 288. 475 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:10,700 So I'm just sort of putting a pin in it now because I'm not sure it's for this agenda item. 476 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,700 But when we get to the right agenda item, I want to bring up this exact subject. 477 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,700 Perfect. Sounds good. 478 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,700 I'm going to hand it off to Korea to talk about signage. 479 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:26,700 Okay. 480 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,700 I bring this down a bit short. 481 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,700 Oh, yeah. 482 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:33,700 Carina Maldonado, Transportation Planner with Transportation Services. 483 00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:37,700 So this item is a follow up from our last meeting. 484 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:42,700 There was the presentation on bicycle etiquette for our facilities in the city of Denton. 485 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:52,700 And the question came up regarding signage and where it's necessary when there's the allowance for bicycles to take up a full lane or have a share. 486 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,700 Oh, and maybe there's no signage there. 487 00:31:54,700 --> 00:32:06,700 So staff did a little bit of that background research to make sure that if signage needed to be put up that we adequately did that and find out what regulating laws come into play. 488 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:14,700 So with this item, there's a couple of state requirements or state 489 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,700 legislation that that kind of speaks to what we would do. 490 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:30,700 So I provided that in the staff report and basically, you know, cyclists where they can take up the full lane, they would just go furthest to the right, whether they're signage or not. 491 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:35,700 The lack of signage would not determine the lack of a use of the facility. 492 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:48,700 And then something else that comes up in our Texas transportation code, I think, specific to limited access facilities and control facilities, which is, I think, particular to your question, Council Member Beck. 493 00:32:48,700 --> 00:33:04,700 It would have to be by ordinance or by ordinance of the city or a resolution by the Texas Transportation Commission, limiting the ability of a cyclist to use those facilities, whether it be a frontage road off the or the actual use of that facility. 494 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:12,700 We know that it's dangerous, so we wouldn't really recommend a cyclist to use those facilities, but we can't really control their behavior at a certain point. 495 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:28,700 But for those instances, as for an example, if the city of Denton was to pass an ordinance specifically prohibiting the use of cyclists on Loop 288, for example, we would then have to go and put the signage ourselves. 496 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:41,700 Without the lack of signage by state law, they're allowed to use the facility as long as they use it correctly, which is to ride as far right as possible, unless there's a specific designation or separated facility. 497 00:33:41,700 --> 00:34:03,700 So in general, you know, the signage wouldn't necessarily need to be up or not. However, we do proceed to use it just for wayfinding or education. We would just make sure that we follow the Texas manual on signage and I always forget the MUTCD, but we'll go ahead and find that. 498 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:14,700 We just dropped. Yes, they just the DOT just passed the 11th edition. So we'll see how Texas follows that. 499 00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:22,700 So I don't know if there's any questions on this item, but generally staff just recommends evaluating on a case by case basis for signage for bicycle facilities. 500 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:31,700 And then just if we find additional educational information, we'll make sure to post that on our website or have that available. 501 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:49,700 Yes, sir. I think thank you for that cream I appreciate all that I think the if I remember the discussion last time that we're trying to get to improve safety more within our, our regular you know residential and arterials and collectors and things rather than 502 00:34:49,700 --> 00:35:02,700 I mean I was using the example the highways as a, as a clear. This is bad idea to be anything but a car on a highway or a controlled access way. But, 503 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:09,700 although obviously they use them like when they they bike between Ray Roberts and Dallas they're going to take highways. 504 00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:24,700 But I think the more issue is when there was conflicts because the issue came up with a like Parkway and Carol and some other places where there is ambiguity as to who who controlled the lane. 505 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:40,700 Like I think Carol and and see their oak or Parkway one of them, where they're sort of sort of a lane and sort of not a lane made it unclear like if a bike is going straight across an intersection the cars turning right. 506 00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:55,700 You mean obviously the proper behaviors to yield to not kill people, but that it. I think we were more interested in what's the best practice signage in those cases. 507 00:35:55,700 --> 00:36:11,700 I mean if you're, if staff feels like their comments address that then I'm good with letting letting it go but I feel like you, we will probably get feedback from the committee and from the community that there are pain points. 508 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:18,700 Yeah, we need to address, I'll say I didn't quite catch that specific request. It didn't quite come through. 509 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:27,700 But we can certainly look at that. As I mentioned, we do have to evaluate on a case by case basis for each facility. 510 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:38,700 The other thing we have to consider is sign clutter, because it would end up being counterintuitive to add additional signage in certain areas where maybe there's already five other signs. 511 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:51,700 So what we do need to look at is the context of those intersection the context of that facility, and then there's, there's multiple ways we could kind of come about with the way finding. 512 00:36:51,700 --> 00:37:00,700 There's pavement markings we'd have to evaluate the maintenance cost of that and whether that's the right approach, or signage would be appropriate. 513 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:09,700 I think the other thing to consider is, we just mentioned this earlier is the adoption of the 11th edition of the MUT CD. 514 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:26,700 Prior to that the signage was not very, or the guidance on bike pit facilities I should say, was not up to date. And so that's what the city would have used for our city facilities on signage and pavement markings. 515 00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:36,700 And so now with the new edition being out I think there's a little bit more options for us to consider on signage placement and type of appropriate signage. 516 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:50,700 So, we as staff and our traffic operations team would evaluate that. So if there's a specific area we need to look at and we mentioned Parkway in Oakland where it sort of transitions off, we'll look at that area and identify what the best signage is. 517 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:59,700 And then for other facilities, you know the community comes out and say there's a specific area that's not working for me we can evaluate that. 518 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,700 Question. 519 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:26,700 What part of the roadway construction process would the signage, or is the signage comes in after the project, and the you know it's put down and the houses are in and the, you know, the cars are coming, you know, like, like, like, like Bronco way. 520 00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:39,700 Yeah, so I can speak to the development side of Trevor wants to speak on the capital project side but for development projects that come in. Typically the striping and the signage is reviewed during the civil engineering plans. 521 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:45,700 So they have to provide those plan sheets and provide them to us and we would evaluate based on those standards. 522 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:59,700 So, at least on the development review side that's when it would come in I would imagine that the capital project side it's just, again, during the design stage we would evaluate that, okay, so you're further up higher up into the process. 523 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,700 Thank you. 524 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,700 Anything else. 525 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:08,700 Anything else. I just want to confirm if we still want to follow up on. 526 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:15,700 We'll, we'll provide another update based on the specific these questions. 527 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:23,700 Thank you very much. 528 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:35,700 Well, we have the future items. 529 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:43,700 So we'll go through the future items for agenda. So by greater, the binary room update we'll keep that one on that's just a rolling update. 530 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:46,700 The right construction schedule map. 531 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:54,700 We would request to take that one off unless you want to just have a continual update on where we're at with those, those three projects. 532 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,700 I'm not sure we needed every month. Yeah. 533 00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:18,700 The thing I was going to ask, and I made a note of is, and I went to look at discuss that and I see the map and there is like weekly street closure calendar but there's sort of, and correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't see a long term year long. 534 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:29,700 Two year long, three year long calendar to go along with the, the CIP map. So maybe we could have a calendar that just updated and have that discussed that. 535 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:37,700 So that we can reference the phasing specific to road closures or phasing or more of the capital projects and phasing because you already have the road closures. 536 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:39,700 Right. So that's weekly. That's nice. 537 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:49,700 But, but we, I can't look out into the future I'm like, oh in July, this road is going to be closed, even though I, you know that already. 538 00:40:49,700 --> 00:41:02,700 Well I don't for those specifics so when a construction, when it's, when it's under construction we get a schedule from the contractor that says hey, within these two years, this is how we're going to structure our work. 539 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:15,700 And the problem with that is depending on all kinds of things they start moving things around. And we get those updates every month so our project team is reviewing those schedule updates, making sure that it makes sense making sure they're not doing things 540 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:25,700 we're not supposed to do, and all those types of things so I would be hesitant to post that because it changes so often. I don't want to be giving information that may change in the next week. 541 00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:32,700 I think we can give an overall saying, well, I don't know. Let me think about that a little bit. 542 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:39,700 I would encourage us to do it anyway maybe with big bold letters that this may, this is subject to change. 543 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:51,700 Only, only because I think, you know, expectation management in my, in my career has been people digest changes better than surprises. 544 00:41:51,700 --> 00:42:03,700 No, that makes sense. Yeah, let me let me think on that what's the best way to kind of present that and that we usually get that after we've been it out to construction so the contractor will come in on the C more projects that we're currently doing, 545 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:16,700 we get that a lot earlier so those will be a lot easier to kind of project out kind of where we're going to be within that project timeline but let me think on that a little bit I've got a note, and we'll see what's the best way to kind of present that information. 546 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:22,700 I'm thinking that since we talk on quarterly basis. Okay. 547 00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:35,700 Then maybe you know, like a Janey Street, we don't need to continue to talk about that if we know, you know, I've already been given our, our notice that this quarter we're doing this on that quarter. 548 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:50,700 You know, just updating quarterly, you know, please consider that as well. Okay, and some maybe needed quarterly some maybe needed monthly I don't know. Okay, you all please make that determination but absolutely. 549 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,700 So, you know, things like Janey Street, you've already told us about that. 550 00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,700 We've already got the McKinney Street. 551 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:04,700 And we know that we're still in the process of that will be a quarterly. 552 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:18,700 Yeah, and I'm looking at these and maybe it makes sense for kind of the construction projects to move those to quarterly instead of, you know, monthly because I've come and said the same thing, three times on Hickory Creek and Bonnie Bray so, and maybe. 553 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:35,700 So maybe move all the kind of construction one so 1234 and five to quarterly, and then also if there's any big updates we can bring those back and make sure we're, we're letting you know about them. Yeah, that looks like a lot of things there. 554 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:46,700 When they really are not right yeah it's a lot of the same updates. Unfortunately, we don't get a whole lot of changes from month to month. 555 00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:49,700 Okay, so I think that takes care of one through five. 556 00:43:49,700 --> 00:44:01,700 Number six, we will, I think we can remove that one but come back with a separate item specific to customer best question if you all are good with that. 557 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,700 downtown the city downtown parking study. 558 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:10,700 I think we have to bring that one back when when information is available. 559 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:16,700 The transportation service report that will start next month. Right. Yep. 560 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:20,700 Yes ma'am. 561 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:28,700 Mapping for sidewalk and bike corridor so we're going to bring that back once we complete GIS mapping layers. 562 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:40,700 Let me ask you something about that with them. So, you said once you complete the GIS mapping layers is will that that's an ongoing project right now. Yes ma'am. 563 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:51,700 And so, do you all think that you would be bringing that to us monthly or this that sounds like a monthly type thing. 564 00:44:51,700 --> 00:45:05,700 I don't know what do you think. Sounds like it's, it's happening now. So they're working on completing the layers I think once we complete that then we'll come back and present that information maybe at that time we can determine how often you want to 565 00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:10,700 get an update on that but I feel like it's a just a project that they're doing. 566 00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:22,700 Yeah, just a one off. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think we would come back and just say hey we've completed this is where it's at this is where it's looking this is where it's at where it looks like and then you do that quarterly. 567 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,700 It'll be an ongoing it'll be ongoing later so the layers will be there. Yes ma'am. 568 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:33,700 Yeah, it's just layers that they're adding on to the GIS map so interesting. 569 00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:41,700 Alright, ITS update so we'll have another ITS update next month when I'm john's back in town. 570 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:45,700 And then the Ryan road update. 571 00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:50,700 Y'all know what's going on with Ryan road so we'll, we've actually kicked off the construction on Ryan road again. 572 00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:57,700 I mean, the design, but we won't go into construction till Hickory Creek three is almost done. 573 00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:05,700 And I know customer back had something you want to add. Yes. Yeah, so it's a parking back to that item earlier. 574 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:17,700 I've talked with some of the, the owners of the properties, west of the southbound on ramp, the plant factory say joke memory center. 575 00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:23,700 And then there's our DME staging field north of the shelter. 576 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:33,700 At 288 380. Okay. And it's my understanding that some of those owners have put monies into escrow for sidewalks. 577 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:42,700 And I understand that that's a text off facility going into a text that facility, which is the perfect storm of not getting anything done sorry text. 578 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:54,700 But can with what can we, what are our options for side path mobility. 579 00:46:54,700 --> 00:47:08,700 Along that region, because there is extra demand for bike pad, because we have the shelter there unusual demand. 580 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:27,700 Because the people that utilize those services tend to not be car based. Right. And so, there is there is, again, an overlap of bike pad issues both safety of people walking along on ramps. 581 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:48,700 And this has been brought up in council before. And then in addition to that flow traffic because now there's a bunch of dirt destination pathing that, as we try to get to services that are creating problems because the, there's, there's no sanctioned pathway. 582 00:47:48,700 --> 00:48:06,700 There's only filtering through people's private property, and that is causing some heartburn as we try to stitch all these services together, especially with monies being paid by the owners into an escrow cap for side paths. 583 00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:31,700 Absolutely, I realize that's not our exact issue it's a text that issue but can we have updates on how the levers we can pull the pressure we can apply when how we can do this because these kinds of side pathing are our responsibility to do. 584 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:47,700 I think, but yet, we have to ask permission from text up because these are these right away is controlled by text. Absolutely so we do do sidewalks on text that right away I mean text that roadways all the time we've got one coming up on 38. 585 00:48:47,700 --> 00:49:00,700 And we're also currently doing the one on loop 288 right near the shelter so let me check with text on that that specific corner to see where that money is, and what's going on with it they have plans. 586 00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:15,700 One of the issues you just named or what drives the sidewalk PPI index that tells us what sidewalks coming next. So let me check on that corner specifically, and talk with text out and see where they're at what if they have plans coming up in the future if not maybe 587 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:28,700 that's something we need to start looking at making as connection pieces. I would love that and it's a small corollary and I'm not sure if it's the same item or, or can technically different item but the south of the shelter. 588 00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:42,700 The new that new subdivision is putting in sidewalks but then there's a gap to the apartment complexes, we're going to connect it, you're going to connect it okay good because that connectivity is, it's the same problematic issues that I just described right. 589 00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,700 Yeah, we've got it being designed right now. 590 00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,700 Perfect. 591 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,700 I saw a gentleman the other day. 592 00:49:51,700 --> 00:50:01,700 Two days ago I was on 288 South going towards 35, but between the shelter. 593 00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:25,700 Between the, between this, well between Morris, sorry, or Audra, or I would even say 380 and more history. 594 00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:36,700 That was trying to maneuver between more street and. 595 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:40,700 And I mean this down there is just no sidewalk. 596 00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:50,700 But he was really really having a hard time. Okay, nearly to the point of me wanting to pull over and put them in my car and take him to taking him to where he needed to go. 597 00:50:50,700 --> 00:51:02,700 So the, the need is immediate. Right. And so whatever that that takes. I'm sure you all are going to do your very best to, you know, make something happen. 598 00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:21,700 I could have easily just fallen over. Right. So, you know, so it's, it's very real and somebody that doesn't have the mobility opportunity, you know we're just doing ourselves a disservice for not making sure all of us. 599 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:36,700 So just wanted to put that on the books there. Yes sir. Thank you chair. The other thing I wanted to bring up that the chair's comments were reminded me is some developers have talked to me about. 600 00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:55,700 They don't know whether we have five foot side paths or 10 foot side paths. And, and I'm like, I'm that put me into doubt that I know what our requirements are, and I'm not sure this is an agenda item but if staff could get back in touch with me with the regulations. 601 00:51:55,700 --> 00:52:20,700 Maybe share it here, share it to the whole committee. What the regulations are regarding side path with in various areas, I would, I would appreciate that I encouraged them to talk with staff as the experts on that item, but I told them I couldn't, I couldn't address that. 602 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:26,700 And if, you know, just just for my education I'd like to be aware. 603 00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:36,700 You know, like, so I could say, pretty sure it's 10 but please go talk to staff, absolutely we can bring that back with the requirements are what we were what we require what the different sizes all those types of things. 604 00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,700 Thank you. Yep, no problem. 605 00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:39,700 Anything else. 606 00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:50,700 Any roadways you want them to take a look at anything on your mind right now. My the big one was the 3280. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much. 607 00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:54,700 Okay, so we're going to go on to concluding items. 608 00:52:54,700 --> 00:53:00,700 Did you have any concluding items that you wanted to put out there for the people. 609 00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:05,700 I don't have any additional items. Okay, I don't have any additional items either. 610 00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:09,700 City, are we okay. 611 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:16,700 Alright, so I am going to conclude the meeting at 853. 612 00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:18,700 Thank you.