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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, December 13, 2023.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5.07 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioners McDade and Cole are absent this evening.

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 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 Anyone here for that?

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 We will move on to clarification of tonight's agenda.

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 First item is minutes for the 15th.

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 Anybody have any issues, questions for that?

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 Our consent agenda, any questions on that?

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 >> Just a minor thing on item D on the consent agenda.

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 >> You were.

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 >> I noticed that there's some illegible wording.

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 >> That was my next thing that I was going to say.

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 I actually saw that earlier and had a discussion.

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 What we're going to do is clarify that verbally that what we are considering there is a final

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 plat not a preliminary plat.

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 Legal is good with verbally doing that.

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 So the motion, if we could have the -- we're approving the consent agenda, clarifying that

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 that item is a final plat.

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 Understood?

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 Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 Great.

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 Moving on to items for individual consideration.

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 For A, being a minor plat, they had asked for an extension and staff can do that themselves.

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 So we will not be needing to take any action on that tonight.

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 For B, I will -- is Mia here?

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 Yeah.

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 I'll let Mia come up and give a little synopsis of that.

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 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, associate planner.

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 This is for B. FP23-0033 is a final plat for Hickory -- where is it?

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 Hickory Grove, phase 1B, formally known as Legends Ranch.

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 This site is located just north of West University and west of Thomas J. Egan Road.

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 At this time, they are not meeting our criteria for approval, so we are recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to the requested extension that could be granted until a date

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 certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 With that, I'll take any questions.

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 Great.

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 Commissioner Villarreal.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Just really quick, are they all first extension requests unless otherwise noted?

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 Correct.

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 Perfect.

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 Thank you.

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 We can do that.

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 Okay.

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 Anything else from you?

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Oh, you have the next one anyway, but I'll let you stay up there for 4C.

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 This final plat is a final plat for Club Car Wash Denton, located at the southwest corner

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 of the intersection of East University Drive and Mockingbird Lane.

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 Similarly, this project or this final plat is not meeting all of our criteria for approval

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 as provided for you in your backup.

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 So staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to their requested extension, which could be granted to a date

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 certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 With that, I'll take any questions.

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 Thank you.

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 Questions?

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 No.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you, Mia.

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 Okay.

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 Next we have 4D, FR230016.

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 Erin's making her way up for that one.

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 Yes.

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 Hi.

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 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Erin Stanley, Assistant Planner.

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 This is a final replat of the Beoway addition for two lots.

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 This is generally located at Beoway and Abram Avenue, generally south of Loop 288.

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 At this time, they are not meeting our criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to

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 the extension, which could be granted to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 Questions for Erin?

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 Thank you.

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 Okay, next we've got 4E, FP230030, Sean's item today.

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 Hello.

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 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission, and we'll make sure we got that one here.

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 Yes.

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 All right.

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 Yeah, so this is a requested final plat for the 100-loop North Loop 288 addition, a multiple

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 lot commercial addition.

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 I did want to address your question earlier.

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 This is a repeated extension request, and it specifically due not to any intransigence

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 on the part of the developers, but simply because there are multiple owners and they've

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 had some back and forth about who wants which easement where, so we expect they'll have

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 that resolved.

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 That's taking some time, but again, they've been more than responsive to our concerns.

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 They're just having to work some things out internally and we're comfortable.

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 We do not object to their request for an additional extension.

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 Great.

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 Questions?

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 Okay.

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 Thanks, Sean.

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 Last item under individual consideration is 4F, FR230018.

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 Hello, Julie.

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 Hello.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 This is FR23-0018.

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 You're probably familiar with this project.

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 It is the Agave Ranch project.

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 It is for a little portion of that development.

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 They are proposing to replat an area into residential lots.

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 They do have some items that they need to correct, and so we have no objection to their

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 requested extension.

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 It should say January 10th, not 9th.

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 It's my night for typos, but so anyway, yes, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 Thanks, Julie.

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 Questions?

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 Thank you very much.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 And I think you're staying right up here anyway, because we're going to see if we've got some

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 questions on our public hearing for tonight, 5A, PDA 230001.

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 You want to give us the summary on that?

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 All right.

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 So this --

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 Sorry.

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 I'm going to recuse myself from this.

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 I'm a member of St. Mark's Parish.

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 Is that the correct one?

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 That is.

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 I've been a 20-year member of the parish, and I'm a patron, so I'm going to step outside.

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 Okay.

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 Very good.

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 I think we're -- when we are finished, thank you.

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 All right.

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 So this is regarding an amendment to a development plan for Plan Development 174.

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 The property is located on the north side of Crawford between John Payne and 35W, so

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 it's situated on the west side of town, kind of on the southwest side of town, actually.

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 It's right there on the boundary between Denton and the town of Argyle.

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 They are proposing to amend their detail plan that was approved in 2012.

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 The PD was established in 1999, and this is a detail plan that was approved in 2012.

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 They would like to add 400 additional seats to the sanctuary.

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 The original PD contemplated 1,400 seats, so they'd like to move that to 1,800.

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 Add 136 additional parking spaces.

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 The original PD had 380, 2,000-square-foot covered entrances.

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 Those wouldn't increase the size of the air-conditioned part of the building, really just allow people

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 to exit their cars.

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 And then realign that west driveway, so really everything you're seeing in purple here.

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 The Denton 2040 plan designates the area as low density.

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 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

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 And so staff has analyzed the proposal and determined it complies with the criteria for

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 approval.

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 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 The applicant will also be here with their team tonight to answer any questions as well.

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 Great.

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 Thanks, Julie.

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 Commissioner Smith.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Julie, if this was a brand new site, building the church from scratch, would that development

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 require a TIA?

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 Yes, due to the number of trips they generated.

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 Because we're adding a new access piece there, is there any TIA piece that-- if you're creating

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 a new access into on and off, you can't imagine that everyone goes out that one single access.

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 But what's the rules around that for access?

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 So we actually did require a TIA.

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 Because of the time that had passed since the original project was approved, because

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 of the increase in number of seats, we did require a TIA.

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 And so that was reviewed and approved by our engineering staff.

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 A word of caution, that driveway to the west actually was part of that original 2012 approval.

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 What they're proposing is just to shift it actually to the north, about 120, 130 feet,

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 depending on how I measure on any given day.

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 So the original driveway aligned mid-block here, they're proposing to align it with that

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 street so that they have an intersection there.

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 So they did-- engineering did review that TIA.

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 And they do have a couple of suggestions regarding that.

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 One would be a right turn lane here on Crawford to go into that main access point.

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 Crawford's an interesting road in that, as you can see, that this is on the edge of Argyle.

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 So Argyle actually owns the majority of Crawford Road.

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 There is a sliver that's within the city of Denton.

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 I think there's also some slivers that are within the county.

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 But any improvements to Crawford Road will have to go through Argyle to ensure that it

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 meets their standards and make sure that that is something that they would approve.

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 So really, that's what that TIA yielded.

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 Carnegie Ridge would be classified as a collector?

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 It is not.

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 It functions as a collector, and that's something that we talked about with our transportation

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 group.

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 But as it was planned and constructed, it is a neighborhood street.

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 Gotcha.

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 There's no traffic mitigation that we can do within there.

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 So if you're coming out of there based on that site location, you're going to need to

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 turn left.

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 You're not going to want to turn right into the neighborhood.

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 For traffic's sake, you're going to want to go left to get to Crawford.

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 So there's no traffic mitigation we can do on that.

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 Well the applicant will be here along with their engineering group that reviewed it,

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 and they might be able to speak to how the site functions.

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 We anticipate, or the TIA indicates, that the majority going out of that driveway would

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 head to the south toward Crawford Road and then points beyond.

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 So it is anticipated that those who use that driveway, the majority at least, would go

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 toward the south.

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 Can you point out, I couldn't tell when I was looking at the site map, can you point

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 out other connectivity around the parking lot?

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 So that parking lot that's on the northwest side of that property, there is the speckled

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 pieces there.

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 That does connect all the way around to the front side, to those parking lots on the south

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 side of the building, or no?

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 Let me get a better map.

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 I think this one's a little bit better.

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 So this shows what's kind of constructed out there now.

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 That parking lot was always conceived to be that loop.

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 As they phased their project, it really kind of stops right here and right here right now,

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 but that loop will continue on to the north so that it connects all the way through.

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 Right now, the existing driveways are the one to Meandering Creek to the north, and

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 then to the south to Crawford, and then that third driveway would be in this location.

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 The one that was approved in 2012 would connect here.

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 What they're proposing is to connect to the north.

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 Got it.

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 Thank you.

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 You bet.

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 Other questions?

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 Tina, yes?

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 I know Julie alluded to this just a moment earlier, but this graphic is a great depicter

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 of the streets within the area.

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 So we've talked in the past about how traffic is like water, right?

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 It follows the path of least resistance.

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 So absent the drive connection to Carnegie Ridge, one of our concerns is that patrons

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 leaving the site would, and yeah, Julie, if you can help me out, if they were, they could

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 leave that north entrance that's already existing, and they can take, I believe it's called Meandering

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 Creek to the top, and then come down to Carnegie Ridge.

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 So folks that are trying to avoid potentially having to interact with Crawford at their

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 main entrance, especially if they are trying to get back towards the west, towards I-35W,

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 that a path of least resistance is going to be to go to the north, go through the residential

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 street, because it's going to get me back to Carnegie Ridge, right?

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 And then it allows me to go south.

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 So if we're trying to minimize that from incurring, one of our concerns is that would be the unintended

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 consequence of not having the drive connection directly out to Carnegie.

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 That makes sense.

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 Commissioner Smith?

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 I think the other part behind that then, Tina, just to know is that, I mean, if you're turning

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 down Meandering Creek coming down from John Page, you can even say, well, I'm not coming

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 down to Crawford, but if I don't want to interact with traffic going in on that one entrance

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 on Crawford there, that I can go up John Page and then turn down Meandering Creek and go

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 then down the backside of Carnegie Ridge and then get into that back parking lot.

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 That otherwise, you know, there's traffic in and out there in between services.

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 It kind of it does it does create a feels like no matter what we do, which I get it.

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 They need more parking.

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 They got space for parking.

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 It's a church.

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 It's supposed to be a residential.

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 It just makes sense to me.

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 But I feel like there's no real good way to slice the pie without directing traffic through

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 residential areas.

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 And it gets a little funky.

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 So but yeah, I don't feel anything the inside on that other than just like it's it's there.

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 So maybe I'm crazy and thinking that someone's got a willing to be go around three sides

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 of church to get to the same parking lot.

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 I mean, I think it would.

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 I think.

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 Sorry.

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 Yeah.

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 I think it's probably more of an issue leaving than necessarily coming.

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 But it's I absolutely agree with you.

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 It seems a problem.

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 Either way.

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 Obviously, when this was approved, all of these houses were not here.

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 Yeah, so this drive to the west is I mean, it's it's in the plan as we currently know

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 it.

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 So aligning it.

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 So this might show show that and this is my drawing skills.

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 So forgive me.

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 But this is kind of ghosted in about that location where that existing drive.

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 This is what they're proposing now here in purple.

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 So we think it's better to align with that street, because why we do have our traffic

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 engineer here who could probably also speak to that in a much more technical way.

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 In terms of the applicant, what they have expressed is aligning toward the north to

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 add that additional curve for the driveway does give a little more storage on site so

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 that more cars could remain on site, 14 cars as opposed to nine cars.

00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:19.120
 I would say and Chandra might say, and I correct me, but generally, we like those intersections

00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.040
 to align it.

00:16:21.040 --> 00:16:30.360
 It just reduces those conflict points and makes for a less less complexity in that area.

00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:37.120
 I mean, I see that being complex, regardless, at mass.

00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:42.340
 You know, I do remember when St. Mark's Church was in my neighborhood and the way that it

00:16:42.340 --> 00:16:47.840
 backed up on Pennsylvania Drive, it was significant.

00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:57.400
 So and this is a lovely campus, it's a lovely parish, but it is that's going to be a problem.

00:16:57.400 --> 00:17:03.720
 And I'm trying to understand if aligning it is actually better or worse for the neighborhood.

00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:11.840
 There was some thought, not thought, some questions with regard to citizens who responded

00:17:11.840 --> 00:17:15.640
 with regard to another access point onto Crawford.

00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:21.840
 Is that a possibility or are we just too close to that roundabout to have that happen?

00:17:21.840 --> 00:17:28.920
 I mean, did anyone think about that or discuss that?

00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.800
 I can try to answer, but if once again, jump up.

00:17:32.800 --> 00:17:37.400
 I checked with engineering, I believe it meets those minimum separation, but I think the

00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:43.360
 concern was that it would not disperse the traffic adequately, that having those three

00:17:43.360 --> 00:17:48.240
 driveways in those different directions would disperse the traffic and maybe not put it

00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.080
 all in one pinch point.

00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:52.400
 Do we think I captured it there?

00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.400
 Okay.

00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.160
 Tina, did you want to add anything to that?

00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.160
 No.

00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.120
 And I was just saying, Shawna gave you a thumbs up.

00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:00.120
 Okay.

00:18:00.120 --> 00:18:01.120
 Anybody else?

00:18:01.120 --> 00:18:03.680
 Commissioner Perot, do you have a question?

00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:04.680
 Yeah.

00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:05.680
 Thank you, Chair.

00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:10.400
 I'll leave my other comments for the public hearing, but just procedurally, since we don't

00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:18.640
 have a full compliment, can you remind us what is considered a approval and denial based

00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.640
 on how that works out?

00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.160
 Oh, with having four people?

00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.160
 Yeah.

00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.160
 Yeah.

00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.160
 That's what I'm going to say.

00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:28.160
 Okay.

00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:29.160
 All right.

00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:30.160
 Okay.

00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:31.160
 Yeah.

00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:32.160
 So, yeah, majority.

00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.160
 Okay.

00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.160
 Thank you.

00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:35.160
 Yeah.

00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:36.160
 Yeah.

00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.160
 And I guess if it-

00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.160
 Yeah.

00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:39.160
 That's very true.

00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:40.160
 And I guess-

00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:41.160
 I'm sorry.

00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:48.000
 And obviously, Ty would put us at the next meeting because we do have two commissioners

00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:55.600
 here, because of other issues, they'll be here at the next meeting.

00:18:55.600 --> 00:18:57.360
 Any other questions at this time?

00:18:57.360 --> 00:19:04.840
 I feel like I had one that I lost that I wanted to ask, and let's see, I asked about Crawford,

00:19:04.840 --> 00:19:06.880
 asked about that alignment.

00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.440
 I guess if I'll just have to ask it at the public meeting.

00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:11.440
 Okay.

00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:12.440
 That's fine.

00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:13.440
 We'll get back to it then.

00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.440
 Thank you very much, Julie.

00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:15.440
 Thank you.

00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:16.440
 Appreciate it.

00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:30.880
 And we're going to ask Commissioner Thager to join us again.

00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:38.100
 Okay.

00:19:38.100 --> 00:19:43.960
 It is 5.26 PM, and at this time, the Planning and Zoning Commission will convene in a closed

00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:55.040
 meeting to deliberate the closed meeting item that is on our agenda, which is IDPZ23-238,

00:19:55.040 --> 00:20:02.160
 consultation with attorneys under Texas Government Code Section 551.071.

00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.420
 We will reconvene in council chambers at 630.

00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:07.640
 We will now go into closed session.

00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.080
 Good evening.

00:20:18.080 --> 00:20:19.080
 Thank you for your patience.

00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:25.880
 The Planning and Zoning Commission has now reconvened from closed session at 639 PM.

00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.400
 No official action was taken in that closed session.

00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:36.640
 So I'll welcome you to our regular meeting for Wednesday, December 13th, 2023.

00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:40.680
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 639 PM.

00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.880
 I'll let the record show that Commissioner Cole and Commissioner McDade are absent from

00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.160
 tonight's meeting.

00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:51.640
 And I did want to welcome our new Commissioner Kimberly Thager to the dais.

00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:55.320
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

00:20:55.320 --> 00:21:04.400
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:12.680
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:25.000
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible.

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.280
 Thank you.

00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:29.920
 I just wanted to note that we will be hand voting.

00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:31.920
 We've got a little bit of a problem on our screens today.

00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:36.320
 So we'll be hand voting by roll call this evening.

00:21:36.320 --> 00:21:43.760
 First item on our agenda is consider approval of our minutes from the November 15th meeting.

00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:44.760
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:47.120
 I move approval.

00:21:47.120 --> 00:21:48.120
 Commissioner Smith.

00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:49.120
 Second.

00:21:49.120 --> 00:21:50.120
 Okay.

00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:51.840
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

00:21:51.840 --> 00:21:52.840
 Any discussion?

00:21:52.840 --> 00:21:53.840
 Okay.

00:21:53.840 --> 00:21:54.840
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:21:54.840 --> 00:21:55.840
 Aye.

00:21:55.840 --> 00:21:56.840
 Commissioner Smith.

00:21:56.840 --> 00:21:57.840
 Aye.

00:21:57.840 --> 00:21:58.840
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:21:58.840 --> 00:21:59.840
 Aye.

00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:02.080
 Commissioner Thaggard.

00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:03.080
 Aye.

00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:04.080
 And chair is also an aye.

00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:07.600
 That motion carries five zero.

00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:12.680
 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening.

00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:13.680
 Commissioner Smith.

00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:19.440
 Make a motion to approve.

00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.680
 We talked about clarification at work session.

00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:22.680
 That's B, correct?

00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.680
 It is D.

00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:24.680
 Thank you.

00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:30.000
 The vote for approval for consent agenda sans agenda item D.

00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.440
 Well, we're not going to remove it per legal.

00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.840
 We're just going to clarify the agenda title.

00:22:36.840 --> 00:22:38.800
 It's a closed item.

00:22:38.800 --> 00:22:40.560
 It is a preliminary plaque, correct?

00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:41.560
 Correct.

00:22:41.560 --> 00:22:42.560
 It is.

00:22:42.560 --> 00:22:43.560
 But it's supposed to be a final plaque.

00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:44.560
 It's supposed to be a final plaque.

00:22:44.560 --> 00:22:45.560
 You're right.

00:22:45.560 --> 00:22:46.560
 Okay.

00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:47.560
 We got it, eventually.

00:22:47.560 --> 00:22:48.560
 Okay.

00:22:48.560 --> 00:22:54.400
 I believe we have a motion for approval of the consent agenda correcting item 3D to read

00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:59.520
 that it is a final plaque that we are taking action on.

00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:00.520
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:23:00.520 --> 00:23:01.520
 Second.

00:23:01.520 --> 00:23:02.520
 Okay.

00:23:02.520 --> 00:23:07.840
 We've got a first and a second to approve the consent agenda clarifying item 3D that

00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:10.040
 we are voting there on a final plaque.

00:23:10.040 --> 00:23:11.040
 Any questions?

00:23:11.040 --> 00:23:12.040
 Okay.

00:23:12.040 --> 00:23:13.520
 Go ahead and vote.

00:23:13.520 --> 00:23:14.520
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:15.520
 Aye.

00:23:15.520 --> 00:23:16.520
 Commissioner Smith.

00:23:16.520 --> 00:23:17.520
 Aye.

00:23:17.520 --> 00:23:18.520
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:19.520
 Aye.

00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:20.520
 Commissioner Thaggard.

00:23:20.520 --> 00:23:21.520
 Aye.

00:23:21.520 --> 00:23:22.520
 Chair is also an aye.

00:23:22.520 --> 00:23:24.280
 That motion carries five zero.

00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:26.960
 That will take us to our items for individual consideration.

00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.800
 First being 4A on the agenda which is MP230023.

00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:39.000
 That is a minor plaque and the applicant had asked for an extension which staff by our

00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.000
 rules can grant.

00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.780
 So we will not be taking action.

00:23:42.780 --> 00:23:45.480
 No action by us is needed on 4A.

00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:52.760
 So that will move us to 4B which is FP230033 and Mia is here for presentation.

00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:56.200
 Good evening.

00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.520
 It doesn't seem there better.

00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:04.520
 Test, test, test.

00:24:04.520 --> 00:24:05.520
 Yep.

00:24:05.520 --> 00:24:06.520
 There we go.

00:24:06.520 --> 00:24:07.520
 Thank you.

00:24:07.520 --> 00:24:08.520
 Okay.

00:24:08.520 --> 00:24:16.080
 This item FP23-Mia Hines, Associate Planner, this item FP230033 is a final plaque for Hickory

00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:20.240
 Grove Phase 1B, formerly known as Legends Ranch.

00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:28.240
 At this time the site is located just north of University and west of Thomas J. Egan Road.

00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:32.440
 At this time it does not meet all of our criteria for approval so staff is recommending denial.

00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:36.760
 However, we have no objection to their requested extension which could be granted to a date

00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:39.560
 certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:24:39.560 --> 00:24:41.660
 With that I will take any questions that you have.

00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:42.660
 Thank you, Mia.

00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:44.680
 Any questions for Mia?

00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:45.680
 Okay.

00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:46.680
 Thank you.

00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:47.680
 Commissioner Smith.

00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.960
 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.960
 Okay.

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:53.960
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:54.960
 Second.

00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.240
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.320
 10th, 2024.

00:25:00.320 --> 00:25:01.320
 Any discussion?

00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:02.320
 Okay.

00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.640
 Let's go ahead and vote please.

00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:04.640
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:05.640
 Aye.

00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:06.640
 Commissioner Smith.

00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:07.640
 Aye.

00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:08.640
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:09.640
 Aye.

00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:10.640
 Commissioner Thaggard.

00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:11.640
 Aye.

00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.640
 Chair is also an aye.

00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:13.640
 That motion carries 5-0.

00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:19.360
 That will take us to 4C FP23-0034.

00:25:19.360 --> 00:25:20.360
 Mia is here again for presentation.

00:25:20.360 --> 00:25:24.680
 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:30.280
 This item is the final plat for the Club Car Wash East located at the southwest corner of

00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:33.040
 East University Drive and Mockingbird Lane.

00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:38.200
 Similarly, at this time the plat does not meet all of staff's criteria for approval

00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.800
 so we are recommending denial.

00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:43.940
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension which should be granted to a date

00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:46.720
 certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.200
 With that, I will take any questions or comments that you have.

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.200
 Thank you, Mia.

00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:51.200
 Questions?

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:52.200
 Okay.

00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.080
 I do not see any.

00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:56.080
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:25:56.080 --> 00:26:02.080
 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:03.080
 Commissioner Smith.

00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:04.080
 Second.

00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:05.080
 Okay.

00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:07.200
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.360
 10th, 2024.

00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:10.360
 Any discussion?

00:26:10.360 --> 00:26:11.360
 Okay.

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:13.480
 Let's go ahead and vote by roll call.

00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:14.480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:15.480
 Aye.

00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:16.480
 Commissioner Smith.

00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:17.480
 Aye.

00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:18.480
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:19.480
 Aye.

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:20.480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:21.480
 Aye.

00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.480
 Chair is also an aye.

00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.480
 That will carry 5-0.

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:26.600
 That will take us to 4-D, FR2-30016.

00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:29.480
 Erin is here for presentation.

00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:30.480
 Yes.

00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:31.480
 Hello.

00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:32.480
 Hello.

00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.900
 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission, Erin Stanley, Assistant Planner.

00:26:35.900 --> 00:26:39.280
 This is FR23-0016.

00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:43.040
 This is a final replat of Beale Way addition.

00:26:43.040 --> 00:26:48.760
 It's located at Beale Street and Abram Avenue, south of Loop 288.

00:26:48.760 --> 00:26:54.360
 At this time, the plat does not meet our conditions for approval, but we have no objection to

00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:59.040
 the requested extension to the date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:26:59.040 --> 00:27:00.040
 Thank you, Erin.

00:27:00.040 --> 00:27:01.040
 Any questions?

00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:02.040
 Appreciate it.

00:27:02.040 --> 00:27:03.040
 Thank you.

00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:04.040
 Commissioner Smith.

00:27:04.040 --> 00:27:08.600
 Make a motion to approve the extension request to date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:09.600
 Thank you.

00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:10.600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:27:10.600 --> 00:27:11.600
 Second.

00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:12.600
 Okay.

00:27:12.600 --> 00:27:14.480
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.480
 10th, 2024.

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:18.480
 Discussion?

00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:19.480
 Okay.

00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:20.480
 Let's go ahead and vote.

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:21.480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.480
 Aye.

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.480
 Commissioner Smith.

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:24.480
 Aye.

00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.480
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.480
 Aye.

00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:27.480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.480
 Aye.

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.480
 Chair is also an aye.

00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:30.480
 5-0.

00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.480
 That's how that motion carries.

00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.840
 That will take us to 4-E, FP2-30030.

00:27:33.840 --> 00:27:35.800
 Hello, Sean.

00:27:35.800 --> 00:27:38.320
 Good evening, Chair.

00:27:38.320 --> 00:27:46.320
 And members of the Commission, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FR23-0030A,

00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:50.040
 which is a final plat for the 100 North Loop 288 addition.

00:27:50.040 --> 00:27:55.080
 This is a multi-lot commercial addition at the intersection of McKinney and Loop 288.

00:27:55.080 --> 00:28:00.360
 At this time, their plat does not meet all of our requirements for approval.

00:28:00.360 --> 00:28:04.440
 Staff is recommending denial, but does not object to their request extension, which could

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.000
 be to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.000
 I can answer any questions.

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.000
 Thank you, Sean.

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.000
 Questions for Sean?

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.000
 Okay.

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.000
 Thanks.

00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.640
 Do you have a question for Sean, Commissioner Smith?

00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:17.640
 Okay.

00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.640
 Thank you very much.

00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:19.640
 So, Commissioner Smith.

00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:24.400
 Make a motion to approve the extension request to date certain of January 10th, 2024.

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.400
 Okay.

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.400
 Oh.

00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:28.400
 Go ahead.

00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.400
 Second.

00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:30.400
 Okay.

00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.280
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:35.440
 10th, 2024.

00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.440
 Any discussion?

00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:37.440
 Okay.

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.440
 Thank you.

00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:39.440
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:40.440
 Aye.

00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.440
 Commissioner Smith?

00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.440
 Aye.

00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:43.440
 Commissioner Villarreal?

00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.440
 Aye.

00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:45.440
 Commissioner Thaggard?

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.440
 Aye.

00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:47.440
 Chair is also an aye.

00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.440
 That motion carries 5-0.

00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.360
 That will take us to 4-F, FR2-30018.

00:28:52.360 --> 00:28:53.800
 Julie is here for presentation.

00:28:53.800 --> 00:28:55.800
 Hi, Julie.

00:28:55.800 --> 00:28:56.800
 Hello.

00:28:56.800 --> 00:29:01.640
 Julie Wyatt, principal planner, and this is FR23-0018.

00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:07.720
 This is a residential replat for a common area lot in the Agave Ranch subdivision you're

00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.080
 probably all familiar with.

00:29:09.080 --> 00:29:15.160
 It is situated on the northeast side of town, just off of Sherman Drive.

00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.240
 There are some things that they do need to correct in order for it to meet the minimum

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.480
 requirements for platting, so staff is recommending denial.

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.720
 However, we have no objection to an extension to a date certain of January 10th, and I will

00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:29.960
 be happy to answer any questions.

00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:30.960
 Thank you, Julie.

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:31.960
 Thank you.

00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:32.960
 Okay.

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.960
 Thank you.

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:34.960
 Appreciate it.

00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:35.960
 Thank you.

00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:36.960
 I make a motion to approve.

00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:37.960
 Commissioner Thaggard, thank you.

00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:43.960
 We've got a motion to approve the extension request to a date certain of January 10th,

00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.960
 2024.

00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:47.960
 Commissioner Villarreal?

00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.960
 Second.

00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.960
 Okay.

00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.520
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:55.560
 10th, 2024.

00:29:55.560 --> 00:29:56.560
 Discussion?

00:29:56.560 --> 00:29:57.560
 Okay.

00:29:57.560 --> 00:29:59.120
 Let's go ahead and vote.

00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:00.120
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:01.120
 Second.

00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:02.120
 Commissioner Smith?

00:30:02.120 --> 00:30:03.120
 Aye.

00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:04.120
 Commissioner Villarreal?

00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:05.120
 Aye.

00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:06.120
 Commissioner Thaggard?

00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:07.120
 Aye.

00:30:07.120 --> 00:30:08.120
 Chair is also an aye.

00:30:08.120 --> 00:30:10.000
 That motion carries 5-0.

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.400
 That will take us to our public hearing item for the evening.

00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:18.340
 That is 5A PDA 230001.

00:30:18.340 --> 00:30:28.560
 Commissioner Thaggard will be recusing herself, so I'll give her a few minutes.

00:30:28.560 --> 00:30:39.760
 I will go ahead and open the public hearing and invite Julie up for presentation of this

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:40.760
 item.

00:30:40.760 --> 00:30:41.760
 Good evening.

00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:42.760
 Here we go.

00:30:42.760 --> 00:30:43.760
 Good evening.

00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:58.720
 I'm Julie Wyatt, principal planner, and this is PDA 230001, St. Mark's.

00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:03.320
 So a little bit of PD history before we get into the request tonight.

00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:07.360
 This is the subject property, which is 28 acres.

00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:14.600
 It's located on the north side of Crawford Road between John Payne Road and I-35W.

00:31:14.600 --> 00:31:19.680
 It's a part of PD 174, and it was established in 1999.

00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:25.080
 The original PD intended a school site for this subject property, along with some residential

00:31:25.080 --> 00:31:26.080
 lots.

00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:33.720
 In 2012, the property owner came forward with a PD amendment to approve the current use

00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:40.120
 on the property, which is that church use, the religious facility use.

00:31:40.120 --> 00:31:45.600
 And also as part of that, there was a detail plan approved by council, and that detail

00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:48.920
 plan is shown on your screen right here.

00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:54.680
 And it included six buildings, and that includes buildings that have already been constructed.

00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.920
 So we've got the administration building has been constructed, along with the religious

00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.360
 education building, a maintenance building.

00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:06.040
 There are a couple of other buildings that have not been constructed, the rectory on

00:32:06.040 --> 00:32:07.760
 the west side of the property.

00:32:07.760 --> 00:32:10.000
 There's also a youth building.

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.840
 So those are intended to be phased in.

00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:19.320
 That original plan also included a looped driveway, which is shown in yellow on your

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:20.320
 screen.

00:32:20.320 --> 00:32:22.080
 A lot of that has already been constructed.

00:32:22.080 --> 00:32:25.640
 There is a little portion that hasn't been constructed on the north side, and that's

00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.180
 where that hatch mark is.

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:31.600
 There's also some construction going on on the property right now.

00:32:31.600 --> 00:32:38.280
 The PD allowed for a sanctuary to be constructed to accommodate 1,400 seats.

00:32:38.280 --> 00:32:41.060
 And so that is currently under construction.

00:32:41.060 --> 00:32:47.760
 As part of that, or in order to serve that, the PD included 380 parking spaces, three

00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:54.720
 driveway connections, and also a detention area and some conceptual architecture.

00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.360
 I've got a picture on your screen that shows kind of what that conceptual architecture

00:32:58.360 --> 00:33:02.440
 was intended to look like and how it's been constructed.

00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:08.080
 Those three driveways, one was to the south connecting directly to Crawford Road.

00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:14.000
 There was also a driveway connecting to Meandering Creek to the north, and then finally a driveway

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.600
 to the west connecting to a future roadway, which is now Carnegie Ridge.

00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:23.160
 Two of those driveways have been constructed, the one to the north and one to the south.

00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.580
 The one to the west is actually a subject of what we're going to be talking about tonight

00:33:27.580 --> 00:33:30.360
 that has not been constructed.

00:33:30.360 --> 00:33:36.640
 Just to talk a little bit about the area roadways, John Payne is to the east of the subject property.

00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.760
 That's a secondary arterial.

00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:45.520
 That connects to Crawford Road with a roundabout that is actually within the city of Argyle.

00:33:45.520 --> 00:33:52.280
 And then Crawford Road is also an arterial, generally a secondary arterial within the

00:33:52.280 --> 00:33:58.240
 town of Argyle, and that runs along the south of the property.

00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.660
 So what are they proposing?

00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:06.280
 They are proposing to modify that approved development plan to add an additional 1,400

00:34:06.280 --> 00:34:07.600
 seats within the sanctuary.

00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:14.560
 So increasing the number of seats in the sanctuary from 1,400 to 1,800, it wouldn't require that

00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:16.600
 the sanctuary be made any larger.

00:34:16.600 --> 00:34:20.320
 It really just would be how they would configure the inside.

00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:25.880
 To accommodate those additional 4,000 seats, they are proposing 136 additional parking

00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:32.520
 spaces, 2,000 square foot covered entrances just to cover that drop-off area, and then

00:34:32.520 --> 00:34:35.280
 also proposing to realign that west driveway.

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:40.820
 I want to take just a little time to talk about that west driveway.

00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:46.200
 So those areas of change are shaded in purple on your screen.

00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:50.880
 The original driveway location is ghosted in about here.

00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.600
 I drew that in, so it's not perfect, but it's generally in that area.

00:34:55.600 --> 00:35:00.840
 And that driveway was originally intended to connect to that roadway mid-block between

00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.640
 two residential streets.

00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:08.040
 They are proposing to shift that to the north about 120, 130 feet in order to align with

00:35:08.040 --> 00:35:11.160
 an existing residential street.

00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:17.880
 It would allow them to add a little more storage on site to allow more cars queuing from about

00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.200
 9 to about 14.

00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:26.520
 There are impacts that we always look at when we talk about these and when we analyze these

00:35:26.520 --> 00:35:27.520
 projects.

00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:32.000
 So first of all, in looking at what they're proposing, it wouldn't introduce any new uses

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.000
 on the site.

00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.640
 It would just be a continuation of that existing use, and it would not increase that square

00:35:37.640 --> 00:35:40.760
 footage of that sanctuary.

00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:46.920
 It would increase the on-site parking intended to minimize overflow in the neighborhood,

00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.840
 so that they can accommodate those cars on their site.

00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.800
 But we do understand that with those increased seats that there are traffic impacts.

00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:00.980
 So they were required to submit a traffic impact analysis.

00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:05.520
 It has been reviewed by city staff, our engineering and transportation folks.

00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:11.080
 I'm going to do my best to explain this, but I am not an expert in transportation.

00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:16.880
 So we do have some members of our transportation team here if there's any really technical

00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.260
 questions.

00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:22.940
 So in looking at the traffic impact analysis, their use is a little different.

00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:27.600
 We're usually looking at peak impacts Monday through Friday, that morning hour and that

00:36:27.600 --> 00:36:29.120
 evening hour.

00:36:29.120 --> 00:36:35.220
 But because of the way their use functions, really their peak time is Sundays.

00:36:35.220 --> 00:36:42.440
 And so their TIA not only included just those weekday peak trips and 24-hour trips, it also

00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.160
 included Sundays.

00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:52.240
 And so what you've got on your screen is a quick table looking at what the trips that

00:36:52.240 --> 00:36:58.080
 would be generated with the approved 1,400 seats versus the requested -- and then adding

00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:01.140
 those requested 400 seats.

00:37:01.140 --> 00:37:06.560
 So under the approved plan, it would generate on Sundays about 3,000 trips.

00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:13.040
 The additional 400 seats would generate about 884 trips, and that's on Sunday.

00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:21.240
 Weekday is quite a bit less with 1,200 for the 1,400 -- 1,200 trips for the 1,400 seats

00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:26.060
 and then 360 for the 400 seats.

00:37:26.060 --> 00:37:30.200
 As I mentioned, Crawford Road is primarily within the town of Argyle.

00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:33.920
 I believe there are some slivers that are within the city of Denton.

00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:39.360
 But it's primarily operated, maintained, and owned by Argyle.

00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:45.000
 It was reconstructed in 2021 and currently has those two travel lanes, both east and

00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.000
 west.

00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.480
 They also have left-turn lanes at intersections, and there's a left-turn lane at the subject

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:56.160
 property entrance as well as on Carnegie Ridge.

00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:01.480
 Currently the TIA estimates that there are about 5,600 trips, probably closer to 6,000

00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.920
 -- or 5,700 trips on Crawford Road now.

00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.600
 But it isn't expected to increase.

00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:14.200
 There's a lot of growth in this area, a lot of development, not only within the PD and

00:38:14.200 --> 00:38:19.200
 the residential growth with that to the north, but also to the west across 35.

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:24.880
 So there are -- those trips are expected to increase.

00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:33.240
 So based upon those impacts, those Sunday morning impacts, there were some TIA recommendations.

00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:38.240
 Before I talk about those, I want to talk quickly about the level of service.

00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:44.760
 So as I mentioned, there's those three driveways, and those kind of all lead toward Crawford,

00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:45.760
 right?

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.080
 They all go south.

00:38:47.080 --> 00:38:53.840
 So we've got Meandering Creek, which goes out to John Payne and then intersects with

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:55.800
 the roundabout.

00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:03.840
 We have the church, the main driveway, and then we have the Carnegie Ridge intersection.

00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:09.520
 So they did an analysis not only of what's existing, but also what is projected out.

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:14.160
 And when they project it out to 2029, and that's that current background traffic with

00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:19.360
 the growth and with the additional seating in the church, they do anticipate that on

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:26.280
 Sunday mornings, that Carnegie Ridge connection to Crawford would be a level of service of

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:32.040
 C, and that's about a 15 to 25 second delay at that intersection.

00:39:32.040 --> 00:39:40.520
 That main driveway would be a level of service F, and that's about a 56 to 128 second delay.

00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:45.600
 And then a level at that roundabout as well.

00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:51.600
 So in order to accommodate the traffic and mitigate those impacts, the TIA does recommend

00:39:51.600 --> 00:39:58.280
 a westbound right turn lane on Crawford Road, so kind of in this area right here, to allow

00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:03.320
 cars to get out of the flow of traffic and make that right-hand turn in the development.

00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:07.400
 They also propose an off-duty law enforcement officer to direct that traffic.

00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.900
 It is a recommendation.

00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:14.080
 That turn lane, because that property, that road is in Argyle, that's something that they

00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:15.880
 would have to coordinate with Argyle.

00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.840
 Of course, we would be in the mix.

00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.920
 We want to make sure that we're all coordinating, but that would have to be designed and approved

00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.240
 through Argyle.

00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:28.240
 And then that off-duty enforcement officer, that would be something that would be a little

00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:32.240
 bit challenging to enforce as part of zoning, because zoning, we often think about what's

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:33.640
 physically on the site.

00:40:33.640 --> 00:40:39.640
 It's more of an operational characteristic, but it is something that the TIA does recommend.

00:40:39.640 --> 00:40:42.000
 Public outreach westbound.

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.720
 I know you got, I believe, an email from me today.

00:40:45.720 --> 00:40:50.040
 We thus far have received 20 letters in opposition.

00:40:50.040 --> 00:40:56.600
 Six of those are within 200 feet of the request, and that's where that supermajority requirement

00:40:56.600 --> 00:40:57.640
 could kick in.

00:40:57.640 --> 00:41:04.880
 Right now, it's at about 1.66%, getting close to 2%.

00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.060
 We've received three letters in favor.

00:41:08.060 --> 00:41:09.240
 This one is a little different.

00:41:09.240 --> 00:41:12.860
 This is my first case that's had an online petition.

00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:18.760
 So we did hear from the community that there was a change.org petition that was launched

00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:25.360
 about a week ago, I think, a couple weeks ago, and they do have 137 signatures on that.

00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.140
 So I just wanted to let you all know that.

00:41:27.140 --> 00:41:28.880
 It's also in your backup as well.

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.080
 The applicant had two neighborhood meetings.

00:41:31.080 --> 00:41:33.520
 They had one in January, nobody attended.

00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:39.080
 They did have one on Monday that I believe about 11 members of the community came.

00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:43.800
 They did, their primary concerns were that driveway connection to Carnegie Ridge and

00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.720
 just traffic overall.

00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:51.100
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff does recommend approval of the request.

00:41:51.100 --> 00:41:52.640
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:41:52.640 --> 00:41:54.160
 The applicant is also here.

00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:57.560
 I don't believe they have a presentation, but they'd like to come up and just speak

00:41:57.560 --> 00:41:58.560
 briefly.

00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:01.680
 >> Any questions right now for Julie?

00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:02.680
 Commissioner Smith?

00:42:02.680 --> 00:42:03.680
 >> Thank you, Chair.

00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:09.760
 Julie, just to make sure I'm clear, the existing PD that was approved in 2012 has that driveway

00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.680
 on the west that we've already seen that has a capacity of about nine cars.

00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:20.320
 So technically you could say that right now the applicant could build by right that driveway

00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:25.520
 there right now with no changes whatsoever to the PDA, with no approval of this PDA,

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:26.520
 for example.

00:42:26.520 --> 00:42:27.520
 >> Correct.

00:42:27.520 --> 00:42:28.520
 >> So okay, understood.

00:42:28.520 --> 00:42:29.520
 Thank you.

00:42:29.520 --> 00:42:30.520
 >> Sure.

00:42:30.520 --> 00:42:31.520
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:32.520
 >> Thank you, Chair.

00:42:32.520 --> 00:42:41.440
 Just about that drive, can you clarify for us in our current code, right, for a non-PD

00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:49.080
 application, don't we require those drives to align with adjacent intersections, is that

00:42:49.080 --> 00:42:50.080
 correct?

00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:53.440
 >> I'm going to ask transportation to come up and answer that for me.

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.440
 You got too technical for me.

00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:57.440
 >> Sorry.

00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:07.000
 >> Good evening, Chair and commissioners, Chandra Muruganandam, traffic engineer.

00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.040
 >> Did you hear the question?

00:43:10.040 --> 00:43:11.040
 >> Yes.

00:43:11.040 --> 00:43:12.040
 >> Okay.

00:43:12.040 --> 00:43:18.160
 >> For connectivity and safe operations, it is suggested and encouraged to have connectivity

00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:23.880
 with the existing intersection rather than adding another leg, where the drivers encounter

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:32.000
 the driver expectancy is to have a four-legged intersection, having multiple three-legged

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:38.240
 or multiple connections would cause driver confusion, so it is to have minimal connections.

00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:43.920
 So it is recommended, but it's not uncommon to have separate intersections.

00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:44.920
 >> Okay.

00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:45.920
 Thank you.

00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:46.920
 >> Sure.

00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.920
 >> Thank you.

00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:48.920
 >> Thank you.

00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.800
 >> Any other questions at this time for Julie?

00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:51.800
 Okay.

00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:52.800
 Thank you.

00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.800
 >> Thank you.

00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:54.800
 So this is a public hearing.

00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.640
 I do have several cards in front of me.

00:43:56.640 --> 00:44:00.960
 The first being from the applicant, Rich Olson.

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.360
 Hello, there.

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.680
 >> Hello, there.

00:44:06.680 --> 00:44:08.760
 Members of the Planning Commission, my name is Richard Olson.

00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.600
 I live at 10412 Cascade here in the City of Denton.

00:44:13.600 --> 00:44:18.240
 I'm a member of St. Mark's Building Committee, and I'm here to represent the applicant on

00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:22.880
 this particular matter before you.

00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.640
 This project has been a team effort.

00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:29.400
 I may be the mouthpiece of the organization, but we do have individuals in the crowd that

00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.560
 can answer any of your technical questions.

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:39.080
 We do have our traffic engineer, Jason Williamson and Justin Wells from Donoway.

00:44:39.080 --> 00:44:43.520
 We do have our architect and civil engineer, Darryl Vickers.

00:44:43.520 --> 00:44:47.720
 We have Kevin Imming, who is with LEMBREC, our construction manager, and most importantly,

00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:54.920
 we do have our director of construction facilities for the Diocese of Fort Worth and Tom Ross.

00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:01.040
 The City of Denton staff has provided the Planning Commission a very detailed report

00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:09.560
 concerning what is occurring there, and St. Mark's would like to concur with that recommendation.

00:45:09.560 --> 00:45:14.440
 We are asking for a favorable recommendation to the City Council.

00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:19.240
 The major amendments, as Julie has already mentioned, included 400 additional seats.

00:45:19.240 --> 00:45:26.500
 The reason for the additional seats is our church is a growing church, and unfortunately,

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:30.600
 we don't have a lot of priests around, so we have to stack them all in one area for

00:45:30.600 --> 00:45:31.600
 that reason.

00:45:31.600 --> 00:45:38.880
 139, 136 additional parking spots really is for the additional 400 seats.

00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:45.120
 The 2000 square foot portables that will be built sometime in the future, right now, we

00:45:45.120 --> 00:45:48.800
 really can't afford to put those in right now, but they are planned for in the future.

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:54.400
 And of course, the realignment of the entrance on to Carnegie Ridge allows us to stack traffic

00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.260
 internally, plus your traffic engineer basically just alluded to the geometry of the intersections

00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:06.800
 a lot better if you do not have a mid-block intersection and stuff.

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:12.840
 Julie had mentioned we had two outreach meetings, one in January and one on December 11th.

00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.840
 We did have roughly 11, 12 people from the neighborhood.

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:22.160
 We understand and we appreciate the neighborhood's concerns on this particular matter.

00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:27.160
 We have developed an internal traffic plan, but if you have ever been involved in one

00:46:27.160 --> 00:46:32.720
 of those, until you actually build it, you have to tweak it, you know, looking at different

00:46:32.720 --> 00:46:37.720
 entrance way, how you should send some traffic and how you should send other traffic.

00:46:37.720 --> 00:46:42.200
 We are committed to having off-duty police officers there, especially at Crawford Road.

00:46:42.200 --> 00:46:45.840
 Maybe even that Carnegie Ridge, that's something that will have to be evaluated in the near

00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.720
 future.

00:46:48.720 --> 00:46:52.440
 But we're asking for your support on this particular project and I'll be happy to answer

00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.600
 any questions if it's appropriate at this time.

00:46:54.600 --> 00:46:55.600
 Appreciate that.

00:46:55.600 --> 00:46:56.880
 Thank you very much.

00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.880
 Any questions right now?

00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.800
 Do you know if currently there's an officer that is used?

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.400
 No, we do not presently use an officer.

00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:11.840
 Right now we have a number of different masses, and let me just give you the existing accounts.

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:16.280
 At our 5 o'clock Saturday mass, we have 400 people attend.

00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.200
 We have a 7 o'clock, we have about 200, that's our Hispanic mass.

00:47:20.200 --> 00:47:28.600
 We have a 7 a.m. meeting Sunday, we have about 200, 930 and excuse me, 9, 11, 30 are our

00:47:28.600 --> 00:47:33.000
 major masses, that's because that's where most of our youth are involved.

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:37.080
 And they have about 600 to 650 people attend those.

00:47:37.080 --> 00:47:40.760
 Then we have a 2 o'clock mass that has about 200 people.

00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.860
 Then we have our life team mass at four, which has about 400 to 500 people.

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:55.620
 So we have done, we have a lot of masses for our church to help spread the traffic out.

00:47:55.620 --> 00:48:02.240
 So earlier you said that you'd be open to having an officer, but what would trigger

00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:04.620
 that in your opinion?

00:48:04.620 --> 00:48:08.460
 Our parishioners will get upset if they have to wait too long at Crawford and they'll let

00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:09.460
 you know.

00:48:09.460 --> 00:48:10.460
 I see.

00:48:10.460 --> 00:48:14.020
 Yeah, it's just one of those issues.

00:48:14.020 --> 00:48:19.040
 As with most churches, people gradually come, but they all want to leave at the same time.

00:48:19.040 --> 00:48:23.720
 So that's the issue is more when they leave the church, not when they come to the church.

00:48:23.720 --> 00:48:27.160
 And that's when that officer most likely would have been on duty.

00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:34.440
 We do have a little jurisdictional issue because the road is technically owned by Argyle/City

00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:35.440
 of Denton.

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.300
 Right now there's some paperwork that needs to be done on that.

00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:46.040
 But we realize that most likely we do not want to hinder our parishioners and we would

00:48:46.040 --> 00:48:48.920
 like to get them out of the church as quickly as possible.

00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:49.920
 Gotcha.

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:50.920
 Understood.

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.760
 Any other questions of the applicant at this time?

00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:55.760
 Okay.

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:56.760
 We may call you back up.

00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:57.760
 Thank you.

00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.760
 Thank you very much.

00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.400
 I do have a card from Mr. Ross.

00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.920
 Did you want to speak?

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:04.920
 No.

00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.920
 With him I'm the director of construction facilities for the diocese.

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:10.920
 Okay.

00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:17.320
 He does not wish to speak, but obviously is in favor of the request.

00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:26.480
 And the next card I have is from Father George.

00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.440
 Father George is in support.

00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:29.880
 Does not wish to speak.

00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.880
 Okay.

00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:37.480
 The next card I have is -- don't know if I'll get this last name right.

00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.560
 It's Joseph.

00:49:41.560 --> 00:49:43.120
 It starts with a D, I think.

00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:45.840
 I'm having a little hard time reading it.

00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.680
 Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:55.840
 Come on up and state your name correctly in your time.

00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:01.160
 My name is Joe Dracobly and I live on Cedars Court and I'm also a parishioner of St. Mark.

00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:04.900
 I would like to thank the Planning and Zoning Commission for their work in evaluating this

00:50:04.900 --> 00:50:08.120
 amendment and the opportunity for public comment.

00:50:08.120 --> 00:50:11.880
 I would also like to thank all of my neighbors, especially those who are here tonight, for

00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.240
 their thoughtful consideration of the amendment and their comments about the amendment.

00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:19.920
 Although I share my neighbor's concern for the safety of everyone in the neighborhood,

00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:24.600
 as noted in the exceptional report from the city staff, the amendment represents a substantial

00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:28.000
 reduction in risk and increase in safety for the neighborhood.

00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.960
 Additionally, Father George and the St. Mark Building Committee have sought to address

00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.740
 any and all concerns brought to their attention, and for these reasons, I fully and strongly

00:50:36.740 --> 00:50:38.680
 support the amendment.

00:50:38.680 --> 00:50:42.480
 St. Mark is an important part of the community and has opened up their facilities to the

00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:47.320
 neighborhood, including for conducting HOA meetings and inviting residents to parish

00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:48.560
 events.

00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:53.480
 I think the staff report very nicely represents how the repositioned driveway and increased

00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.200
 parking are, for a variety of reasons, of benefit to the neighborhood and help reduce

00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:02.800
 neighborhood impact of the increased attendance at St. Mark's.

00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.400
 I would like to briefly highlight three important additional considerations.

00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:11.800
 First, the addition of seats within the new sanctuary and the covered entrances have benefits

00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.280
 with no discernible impact on the safety of the neighborhood.

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.760
 The increased seating allows a greater number of parishioners to worship together in the

00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.280
 same building rather than being seated in multiple buildings.

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.880
 Second, the interways further enhance the aesthetics of St. Mark.

00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.080
 They continue the attractive, unified look of St. Mark, which positively supports the

00:51:30.080 --> 00:51:32.520
 property values of homes in the neighborhood.

00:51:32.520 --> 00:51:36.560
 Second, the movement of the third driveway to intersect with Cedarhurst Court reduces

00:51:36.560 --> 00:51:39.600
 the impact on residents of the neighborhood.

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:45.400
 No houses currently face Carnegie Ridge and no cars regularly park on Carnegie Ridge.

00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.600
 When walking on the Carnegie Ridge sidewalks, the two streets on which one must look both

00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:54.800
 ways, Meandering Creek and, should the amendment be approved, Cedarhurst Court, would be close

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.940
 together and furthest from the park, reducing the conflict point and allowing for more vehicles

00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:03.240
 in the driveway, further reducing impact on the neighborhood.

00:52:03.240 --> 00:52:07.280
 Additionally, this driveway will keep more cars off Meandering Creek, the neighborhood

00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.320
 street with dozens of houses that face the street.

00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.320
 On bike rides with my children and neighbors in the community, I regularly see children

00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.960
 playing on Meandering Creek, something I have not observed on Carnegie Ridge.

00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.680
 Even for brief periods around masses and events at St. Mark, the addition of cars on Meandering

00:52:24.680 --> 00:52:29.580
 Creek would present substantially more risk than those same vehicles on Carnegie Ridge.

00:52:29.580 --> 00:52:33.600
 The slow moving vehicles exiting St. Mark would be clearly visible to people going to

00:52:33.600 --> 00:52:37.560
 and from the park and adding the driveway at Cedarhurst Court places that driveway at

00:52:37.560 --> 00:52:40.640
 the furthest possible street from the park.

00:52:40.640 --> 00:52:45.240
 Third and perhaps most importantly, St. Mark is a growing and there will be more vehicles

00:52:45.240 --> 00:52:47.920
 regardless of the decision on the amendment.

00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.060
 By expanding the parking lot, more vehicles will be able to remain in the St. Mark property

00:52:52.060 --> 00:52:54.440
 rather than parking in the neighborhood streets.

00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:55.680
 This has two benefits.

00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:59.960
 First, the expanded parking better ensures vehicles do not disrupt neighborhood activities

00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:04.720
 such as children playing in the street, something that I truly find joy in seeing.

00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:09.240
 Second, by having vehicles in St. Mark's property, safety is enhanced because there

00:53:09.240 --> 00:53:14.040
 are fewer cars parked on the street that could unexpectedly begin moving and catch a pedestrian

00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:15.200
 off guard.

00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:19.920
 Additionally, the fewer vehicles on the street reduces the risk of accidents, both from people

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:25.360
 pulling out or from cars traveling as they navigate a street with reduced width from

00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.680
 parked vehicles.

00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:31.000
 Again, I'd like to thank the commission for the opportunity to speak and commend the staff

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.800
 of the city for their exceptionally well-conducted study and clear and concise reports, and again

00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.000
 voice my strong support for the amendment.

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.000
 Thank you for your time.

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.000
 Thank you.

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.000
 Any questions at this time?

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:45.280
 I'm going to ask you a quick question.

00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.880
 Do you walk to church when you go?

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.560
 At this point I don't currently because there's no way to enter the church.

00:53:50.560 --> 00:53:55.160
 I would be walking to church when the new driveway opens.

00:53:55.160 --> 00:53:57.360
 So run me through.

00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.360
 I don't know what mass you go to.

00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.880
 Is it one of the high times on Sundays?

00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.360
 Typically we go to nine or 11.

00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:05.360
 Okay.

00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.720
 So one of the most visited masses.

00:54:07.720 --> 00:54:09.800
 So how is it to get back to your house?

00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:15.280
 Right now, we typically go down Meandering Creek because that's the easiest access back

00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.520
 to Cedarhurst Court rather than going out the main entrance.

00:54:18.520 --> 00:54:21.360
 With the driveway, we would go in and out of that driveway most of the time except for

00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.360
 when it's very cold.

00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.520
 We go in the northwest so we don't mind the cold as much.

00:54:25.520 --> 00:54:29.200
 Most likely walk down and go into the driveway and if we drove we would drive into that driveway

00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:34.840
 directly from Cedarhurst Court crossing over Carnegie Ridge and into St. Mark's property.

00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:35.840
 Thank you for sharing that.

00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:36.840
 I appreciate it.

00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:37.840
 Thank you for the time.

00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.280
 Thank you.

00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.920
 Next card I have is Clyde Cotton.

00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:55.840
 Could you display the slide that shows the public outreach?

00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:01.520
 If you will state your name and address and your time will begin then.

00:55:01.520 --> 00:55:02.520
 Yes.

00:55:02.520 --> 00:55:06.320
 My name is Clyde Cotton and I'm a resident on Woodmere Court.

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:11.400
 That would be the street right here.

00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:22.280
 The first thing, two things, the red boundary suggests only the people that their vote counts

00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:29.240
 with respect to requiring the three-fourths super majority vote.

00:55:29.240 --> 00:55:34.880
 When you look at this, all of those people on Meandering Creek will likely not be affected

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.120
 by any of the traffic on Carnegie Ridge much.

00:55:38.120 --> 00:55:49.160
 Most of those people that enter the Carnegie Ridge new driveway, well, a lot of them will

00:55:49.160 --> 00:55:54.280
 go north, or I'm sorry south, that would be toward Crawford Road.

00:55:54.280 --> 00:56:01.080
 So the Meandering Creek people, I doubt if any of them voted, only the people, there's

00:56:01.080 --> 00:56:07.200
 about two or three houses on each of these cul-de-sac streets, Woodmere, Cedarhurst,

00:56:07.200 --> 00:56:11.840
 and this first one up here, there's only two or three houses on each of those that get

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.820
 to vote in that.

00:56:13.820 --> 00:56:19.440
 That's not quite right because all of these people that live up in this area right here

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.640
 are going to have to use Carnegie Ridge.

00:56:22.640 --> 00:56:29.960
 So they need to at least have a public voice in that.

00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:30.960
 I can't vote.

00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.020
 I'm about where that red house is right here.

00:56:34.020 --> 00:56:35.480
 That's about where I live.

00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:41.160
 So I'm probably within the 500 feet boundary, but not the 200 foot.

00:56:41.160 --> 00:56:44.520
 So my vote doesn't count.

00:56:44.520 --> 00:56:46.240
 Then the second thing, that's all on that.

00:56:46.240 --> 00:56:51.080
 A lot of the questions that I had weren't answered by Julie, thank you, and the other

00:56:51.080 --> 00:56:57.360
 people that spoke, but this Carnegie Ridge right here at Carnegie Ridge and Crawford

00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:02.120
 Road is already a dangerous intersection, and I'll tell you why.

00:57:02.120 --> 00:57:09.720
 There's a hill right here, it peaks about right here where I'm pointing, Woodmere.

00:57:09.720 --> 00:57:18.360
 That's about 500 or 600 feet, 600 feet maybe down from Carnegie Ridge, and if you are coming

00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:25.340
 down Carnegie Ridge and you want to go east on Crawford, you have almost, well, you do

00:57:25.340 --> 00:57:29.560
 have some visibility with respect to the top of that hill, but if there's a car coming

00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:33.760
 over that hill fast, it's dangerous.

00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:38.440
 It already is, and it's going to be more dangerous because there's most of the people coming

00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:41.680
 out of Carnegie Ridge, and I think some of the research showed they're going to want

00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:54.040
 to go east here on Crawford, and that means they've got to cross the westbound traffic.

00:57:54.040 --> 00:57:58.240
 I don't know what the solution is, but it needs to be mitigated some way because there's

00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:00.340
 going to be an accident there eventually.

00:58:00.340 --> 00:58:05.960
 I wouldn't say almost had an accident, but it scares me to death to go through that because

00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.600
 during prime time when there's a lot of cars coming over that hill, you don't know how

00:58:10.600 --> 00:58:18.680
 fast they're coming, and if you're not pretty quick, you may have an issue.

00:58:18.680 --> 00:58:21.400
 I believe that's all I have to say.

00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:28.360
 We're talking about putting an officer here at Crawford and the south entrance to the

00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:29.360
 church.

00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.280
 There may have to be another one down here.

00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:38.120
 There's a problem there, a warning light at the top of the hill or something to help control

00:58:38.120 --> 00:58:40.760
 that traffic flow there because it is dangerous.

00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.280
 I use it every day, and it worries me.

00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:50.460
 It just so happens I have a standard shift car, and that makes it even doubly worse trying

00:58:50.460 --> 00:58:53.280
 to get through that intersection, and thank you for hearing me.

00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:54.280
 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:55.280
 We appreciate it.

00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.280
 Next card I have is Brian Rush.

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.280
 Good evening.

00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:01.280
 - Thank you.

00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:17.900
 Planning and zoning commission, thanks for allowing me to speak on the matter.

00:59:17.900 --> 00:59:21.800
 I live in the neighborhood at 6309 Meandering Creek Drive.

00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.560
 I am a parishioner of the church.

00:59:24.560 --> 00:59:32.720
 I don't have any second thoughts about anything that's being proposed by the church, as I

00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:39.920
 think they've worked well with the community, have been a positive impact on our neighborhood.

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:48.920
 I was very impressed that our neighborhood reacted and created a petition with an extreme

00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:56.420
 amount of people who signed, but I think that boils down to the fact that people moved in.

00:59:56.420 --> 01:00:03.760
 The PD was already accepted before the neighborhood was even thought about, so we've been watching

01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:09.960
 the construction going on, and basically the letter that came out from the city, and I

01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:16.740
 paraphrase says that the bishop has requested to increase seating, parking, and to modify

01:00:16.740 --> 01:00:23.980
 access, where that's a little bit distressing to someone who would read this, because they

01:00:23.980 --> 01:00:32.880
 didn't know that per the PD, access was granted to Carnegie Ridge, so I think that's the reason

01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.960
 we have such a number of people who are against the proposal.

01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:38.960
 Thank you so much.

01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:39.960
 >> Thank you.

01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.960
 Can I ask you a quick question?

01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:41.960
 >> Sure.

01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.360
 >> So do you think that people were confused at what the request was?

01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:45.360
 Is that what you mean?

01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:53.120
 >> Well, no, I'm just thinking that the letter should have stated what had already prior

01:00:53.120 --> 01:00:54.120
 been approved.

01:00:54.120 --> 01:00:55.120
 >> I see.

01:00:55.120 --> 01:00:59.380
 >> Because when you read the letter, you're thinking, oh, they're wanting to put access

01:00:59.380 --> 01:01:05.080
 to Carnegie Ridge, not knowing that it had actually already been approved.

01:01:05.080 --> 01:01:06.080
 >> Yeah.

01:01:06.080 --> 01:01:07.080
 Very good.

01:01:07.080 --> 01:01:08.080
 >> Thank you.

01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:09.080
 >> Thank you.

01:01:09.080 --> 01:01:14.240
 Next card I have is a Diane Priest.

01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:23.160
 Hello, if you'll give your name and address, your time will begin.

01:01:23.160 --> 01:01:24.160
 >> My name is Diane Priest.

01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:32.960
 I'm at 6505 Ridge Lea Court, so I'm the very first -- I'm right here and I'm on the second

01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:39.360
 house, and I am for the church plan.

01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:41.080
 St. Mark is my parish.

01:01:41.080 --> 01:01:44.000
 That's actually why I bought there.

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:49.960
 I knew the church was expanding, I was told, when we purchased the home, and that's the

01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.560
 very reason why we're there.

01:01:54.560 --> 01:02:01.280
 I was on the fence, actually, until I went to the meeting on the 11th.

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:10.840
 I heard lots of pros and cons on our Facebook page, was well aware of the petition, wasn't

01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:15.380
 something I wanted to sign because I didn't have all the information yet.

01:02:15.380 --> 01:02:20.200
 And then going to the meeting, it was very well done.

01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:25.480
 It was explained that, yes, in 2012 it was already voted on way before our homes even

01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.280
 existed or were even a thought.

01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:38.080
 And the only thing that was changing was we're adding a few more parking and relocating for

01:02:38.080 --> 01:02:44.560
 the benefit of traffic and the community.

01:02:44.560 --> 01:02:48.560
 I don't think anybody wants traffic in their neighborhood.

01:02:48.560 --> 01:02:53.160
 But we bought a cross from a church, so that was inevitable.

01:02:53.160 --> 01:02:55.760
 My backyard is Crawford Road.

01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:03.160
 I am very impacted by the last four years, all the added traffic from the community.

01:03:03.160 --> 01:03:05.360
 But that's progress, nothing I can do.

01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:12.680
 I was impacted by the expansion and redevelopment of that road, nothing I could do.

01:03:12.680 --> 01:03:20.840
 We took eight trees behind my home, and I realized that's progress.

01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:35.400
 I think what really helped me make my decision was knowing that in the future we are having

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.640
 this growth period.

01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:48.080
 Our church will grow, the community will grow, and what concerns me is parking on that street.

01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:54.720
 If we don't have the parking in the parking lot, it'll be on Meandering Creek here, it'll

01:03:54.720 --> 01:03:58.980
 be on Carnegie Ridge, and it could even be up our cul-de-sac.

01:03:58.980 --> 01:04:07.100
 Right now, that little park, we have people who come and will park on the street.

01:04:07.100 --> 01:04:14.320
 So I can just imagine once we grow and we don't have room for parking in here, it will

01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:19.360
 overflow up our street and down the street.

01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:27.540
 I'm not concerned with a lot of talk about it impacting children.

01:04:27.540 --> 01:04:31.560
 I see children with their parents when they're on bikes.

01:04:31.560 --> 01:04:36.540
 This park is not used very often, and certainly on Sundays.

01:04:36.540 --> 01:04:38.480
 It's very quiet.

01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:46.760
 So from my house here, I see all of this, and so I'm just sharing that I don't see

01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.680
 an impact of a lot of children.

01:04:48.680 --> 01:04:52.120
 Of course, I care about children.

01:04:52.120 --> 01:04:58.960
 No one wants to see anyone hurt, but I don't think they're running around wild anywhere,

01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:11.960
 as we're talking a couple of masses with maybe a 15-minute period with controlled professionals

01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:13.320
 taking care of that.

01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:20.040
 So with that, that really helped me make my decision that I think it feels safe.

01:05:20.040 --> 01:05:29.880
 I think it's a great projection for the future, for safety, and thank you for listening.

01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:31.880
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:38.560
 Next card I have is Greg Mundy.

01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:39.560
 Somehow you knew that.

01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:40.560
 That's great.

01:05:40.560 --> 01:05:41.560
 Before I even called your name.

01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:42.560
 I'm Greg Mundy.

01:05:42.560 --> 01:05:50.480
 I live at 6517 Noname Street, which is Ridgely Court, and we're at the top of the hill there.

01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:55.760
 And I really wasn't going to say anything until I listened to some of this, but the

01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:01.600
 access to get from Carnegie Ridge into the church, we now have to go down to Meandering

01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:05.320
 Creek, drive down, and we come around in the back side.

01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:10.000
 We don't go out on Crawford Road, so we're going all the way around.

01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.480
 And so, of course, when we leave, we come back that way.

01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:22.040
 And yeah, Carnegie Ridge is going to be impacted some, but for 10 or 15 minutes, two or three

01:06:22.040 --> 01:06:26.480
 times during the weekend, it's not going to be a big deal, especially if the church is

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:34.320
 willing to possibly put an off-duty officer out there to help control some of the traffic.

01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:39.280
 I did hear, I didn't make the meeting at the church the other night, but I did hear that

01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:44.700
 there was one proposal that if anybody was parking around the back side of the church

01:06:44.700 --> 01:06:53.320
 on the north side, we park in this parking lot, wherever it's at, where is it, anyway,

01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.240
 we park in this parking lot right here.

01:06:56.240 --> 01:07:04.520
 And then if that access is not granted here at all, they were talking about one way, Meandering

01:07:04.520 --> 01:07:08.800
 Creek, to funnel it out to John Payne.

01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:14.240
 So we live here, we'd have to come down and around, park, and then we'd have to funnel

01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:20.120
 out and come all the way back around, getting into the Crawford Road traffic at the entrance

01:07:20.120 --> 01:07:24.920
 of the church, back to Carnegie Ridge, and then to our house.

01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:30.340
 And I think that this access to the parking lot will be nice for everybody that lives

01:07:30.340 --> 01:07:33.980
 on the west side, because right now, there's nothing there.

01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:38.880
 We either have to go out on Crawford Road and in or around Meandering Creek to park

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:40.120
 in the back parking lot.

01:07:40.120 --> 01:07:45.680
 So if we have that access there, it would be a great benefit to, I think, everybody

01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:49.640
 that lives on the west side of the church.

01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:53.920
 So that's my two cents.

01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:54.920
 Thank you for sharing.

01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:55.920
 All righty.

01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:56.920
 Very much appreciated.

01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:57.920
 Thank you.

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:04.040
 The next card I have is Cathy Mundy.

01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:07.640
 Hello.

01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:08.640
 Good evening.

01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:13.440
 I'm Cathy Mundy, and I live at 6517 Ridgeley Court.

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:21.400
 I also would love to have access onto Carnegie Ridge.

01:08:21.400 --> 01:08:25.440
 If there was a way for us, we would be able to walk to church rather than having to drive.

01:08:25.440 --> 01:08:30.560
 And I think there's other people on that end that would be doing the same.

01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:35.360
 I'm not worried about kids during mass times at the park.

01:08:35.360 --> 01:08:39.880
 There's virtually no kids there on Sunday mornings, particularly.

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:47.040
 And even in the afternoons, that park is rarely used.

01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:51.800
 And we need the parking places, otherwise people will be on the streets.

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:58.360
 And there are a lot of walkers, and crossing the street in between cars can always be dangerous.

01:08:58.360 --> 01:09:02.320
 So I just want to say I'm in favor of it, and I think it would be good for the neighborhood

01:09:02.320 --> 01:09:04.320
 and the parish.

01:09:04.320 --> 01:09:05.320
 Okay.

01:09:05.320 --> 01:09:08.320
 Thank you very much.

01:09:08.320 --> 01:09:09.320
 Thank you.

01:09:09.320 --> 01:09:20.240
 Next card I have is Greg Johnson.

01:09:20.240 --> 01:09:21.240
 Good evening.

01:09:21.240 --> 01:09:22.240
 Good evening, Chair, commissioners.

01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:23.240
 As always, thank you for your service.

01:09:23.240 --> 01:09:28.040
 My address is 3198 Teesley Lane in Denton.

01:09:28.040 --> 01:09:29.040
 You've seen me before.

01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:30.040
 We have.

01:09:30.040 --> 01:09:33.560
 I just wanted to make a couple of comments.

01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:37.360
 One, sometimes the meeting can become about something that it's not about.

01:09:37.360 --> 01:09:41.100
 So for clarification, for everyone in the room.

01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:45.880
 So the application is really about more seats, more parking spaces.

01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.360
 It's not about whether we get a driveway on Carnegie, because the driveway on Carnegie

01:09:49.360 --> 01:09:50.360
 is already approved.

01:09:50.360 --> 01:09:53.040
 The church could just build it where it's already approved.

01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:55.960
 But moving it makes a lot of sense for a lot of people.

01:09:55.960 --> 01:10:00.760
 So this is really about more seats, more parking spaces.

01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:02.740
 And sometimes facts help.

01:10:02.740 --> 01:10:09.360
 So we've got 1,173,000 square feet of land, to kind of put it in perspective.

01:10:09.360 --> 01:10:13.120
 Right now we've got 20,000 feet of building, adding the new church sanctuary, which we've

01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:17.000
 only been waiting like 30 years for.

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:25.220
 At 20% coverage of our land area, that would be 300,000 square feet covered.

01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:29.120
 So we've got a lot of space, is what I'm saying.

01:10:29.120 --> 01:10:33.360
 And what we're talking about is adding seats, not making the building bigger.

01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:39.280
 And we're talking about adding some parking spaces, which we have gobs of room to do.

01:10:39.280 --> 01:10:44.080
 And so I think it's helpful to kind of get that visual.

01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:52.760
 25% coverage of our lot would be 300,000 square feet.

01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:56.000
 We could argue all day about whether this thing should have ever even been a PD in the

01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:57.480
 first place.

01:10:57.480 --> 01:11:02.200
 But that was in vogue at the time, and the church was amenable, and that's all great.

01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:04.960
 The neighborhood on the west side came later.

01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.600
 I can tell you from experience, there's nobody flying out of there on Sunday.

01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:15.360
 So danger to children at the playground should not be a concern because you inch your way

01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:16.980
 out of there.

01:11:16.980 --> 01:11:24.200
 And today, you can see like half of the parking lot, the east side, can get out to Meandering

01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:25.200
 Creek.

01:11:25.200 --> 01:11:28.640
 And they've gotten smart because it's a nightmare to get out on Crawford, which we don't control

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.640
 Crawford.

01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:31.840
 The city of Denton doesn't control Crawford.

01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:33.800
 Crawford is what it is.

01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:38.720
 And so what's happened is now many of the people park on the east side.

01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:41.840
 Well, the entire parking lot is full at 1130.

01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:45.520
 That's about the only mass the entire thing is full.

01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:51.000
 And I won't try to repeat what other people said, but if we get an entrance onto Carnegie

01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:54.560
 Ridge is not the topic for conversation.

01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:55.560
 It's already approved.

01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:57.640
 We could just go build it.

01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.960
 But there's a lot of reasons why it makes sense to move it.

01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.700
 But let's say you didn't, which is what some people are advocating for.

01:12:04.700 --> 01:12:08.920
 You're going to throw half the people out onto Meandering Creek, which is already in

01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:10.680
 this neighborhood.

01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.320
 And when you turn right to get to John Payne, it's a nightmare.

01:12:14.320 --> 01:12:16.320
 So what do you think people are going to do?

01:12:16.320 --> 01:12:20.080
 They're going to turn left to go to Carnegie Ridge, which is exactly where the other driveway

01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:21.680
 was going to be anyway.

01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.720
 So I just wanted to say like I'm in full support of this.

01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.880
 St. Mark has been a wonderful neighbor to this community.

01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.320
 St. Mark was already there when the west side of that neighborhood was built.

01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:41.240
 And I would also say that this is another, well, just an example of clarity in what gets

01:12:41.240 --> 01:12:46.080
 sent out in the letter is super important.

01:12:46.080 --> 01:12:50.640
 And that the statement that went out in the letter about modification to access, well,

01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:51.640
 that is true.

01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.360
 We're saying let's move the thing.

01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:59.160
 And I think moving the driveway probably was a city request because it now lines up with

01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:02.280
 a street, which makes a ton of sense.

01:13:02.280 --> 01:13:05.660
 And it makes a ton of sense for stacking and all that stuff within the parking lot and

01:13:05.660 --> 01:13:09.040
 keeping people off the street, you can stack more in the parking lot.

01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:12.640
 But that statement in the letter could be really confusing to a resident that doesn't

01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.880
 do this all the time.

01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:17.360
 So obviously I'm in support of this.

01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:24.760
 I think it's the conversation really is about, do we have enough land to add some parking?

01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.240
 And do we have enough building to add some seats?

01:13:27.240 --> 01:13:28.740
 That's where we are.

01:13:28.740 --> 01:13:29.740
 Thank you so much for listening.

01:13:29.740 --> 01:13:32.040
 Thank you very much, Mr. Thompson, appreciate it.

01:13:32.040 --> 01:13:34.160
 Any questions?

01:13:34.160 --> 01:13:36.360
 Thank you.

01:13:36.360 --> 01:13:47.160
 Next card I have is Mark Cohen, Cohen, Cohen.

01:13:47.160 --> 01:13:48.160
 I think.

01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:49.160
 Good evening.

01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:50.160
 Chair, committee.

01:13:50.160 --> 01:13:51.840
 Thank you very much for having this meeting.

01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:54.840
 I live at 6705 Cedarhurst Court.

01:13:54.840 --> 01:14:00.880
 I'm at the top of the court, so I'm not in that impacted area directly.

01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.620
 However, I am a little concerned.

01:14:04.620 --> 01:14:09.840
 First of all, I want to say I have nothing against the church expanding in its growth

01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.840
 and its parking.

01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:11.840
 I think it's wonderful.

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:12.840
 We need that.

01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:18.800
 I have been concerned about what is the traffic going out on Carnegie Ridge.

01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:22.840
 I understand the initial decision was made at the time when the only people who could

01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.760
 have made an objection or the only things that could have made an objection were coyotes

01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:29.800
 and deer.

01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:32.040
 That was it.

01:14:32.040 --> 01:14:36.080
 These decisions were made when those houses weren't there.

01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:41.080
 I wonder what would have happened if you'd had homeowners there at the time, what you

01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:42.600
 would have heard.

01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.560
 But that is what it is.

01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:50.180
 I understand what the traffic study is saying, but I can tell you, I have tried to get out

01:14:50.180 --> 01:14:54.560
 of Carnegie Ridge at the same time mass is letting out.

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.760
 That's a long sit.

01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:57.760
 You wait.

01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.760
 Now, I go west.

01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:01.760
 I'm lucky.

01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.680
 I can usually catch a break somewhere.

01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:07.280
 If I have to go the other way, I'm going to have to go down, go around Meandering Creek,

01:15:07.280 --> 01:15:16.080
 come out John Payne, go around and round about, forcing traffic down that way.

01:15:16.080 --> 01:15:18.480
 I still am ambivalent about it.

01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:23.560
 I realize that there's going to be an entrance there one way or the other.

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:29.040
 I'm not real crazy about it, but I just feel like I needed to get it on the record.

01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:36.360
 I will say that at Monday's meeting, a suggestion was made, and there seemed to be some acceptance

01:15:36.360 --> 01:15:42.880
 by the church to the idea of only opening up that entrance on Carnegie Ridge for the

01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:51.360
 times of highest use, primarily Christmas, Easter, any special holy days that were there.

01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:54.880
 And there seemed to be an indication that the church might be willing to do that, to

01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:01.620
 keep that exit blocked off so you didn't have people going out and just letting the existing

01:16:01.620 --> 01:16:04.480
 traffic use the two exits over there.

01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:10.200
 I don't know if they still are willing to hold to that, but the suggestion was made

01:16:10.200 --> 01:16:13.440
 and there was an indication on Monday night they would be willing to do that.

01:16:13.440 --> 01:16:17.480
 I don't know if that can have any impact on your decision or not, but I thank you very

01:16:17.480 --> 01:16:19.480
 much for your time.

01:16:19.480 --> 01:16:20.480
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:21.480
 Any questions?

01:16:21.480 --> 01:16:22.480
 No.

01:16:22.480 --> 01:16:23.480
 Thank you.

01:16:23.480 --> 01:16:29.480
 Thank you.

01:16:29.480 --> 01:16:54.400
 Next card I have is from Richard and Anita Fries.

01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:57.400
 You have to excuse me a little bit.

01:16:57.400 --> 01:16:58.400
 Hi.

01:16:58.400 --> 01:16:59.400
 Nice.

01:16:59.400 --> 01:17:00.400
 Nice to meet you.

01:17:00.400 --> 01:17:01.400
 Nice to meet you.

01:17:01.400 --> 01:17:02.400
 It's great enough to you.

01:17:02.400 --> 01:17:07.320
 I probably have, I have nothing against the church, give me right on that, okay?

01:17:07.320 --> 01:17:08.840
 I think it's great and everything.

01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:17.600
 I just don't like the entrance coming out of there to Cedarhurst, because guess what?

01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.560
 I'm right there on the corner.

01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:23.480
 I'm 6,500 Cedarhurst Court.

01:17:23.480 --> 01:17:29.240
 If I would have known that, I would have never bought that house, because if you look down

01:17:29.240 --> 01:17:32.720
 the street, it's a closeout lot.

01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:37.680
 Pulte got her approval, I guess, to put this big house on that lot.

01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:42.960
 So between my house and the sidewalk, I got 9 feet.

01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:48.240
 All the other homes are 21 feet.

01:17:48.240 --> 01:17:53.440
 So yes, if I look out my dining room window, I'm looking right there at the driveway.

01:17:53.440 --> 01:17:56.320
 They're coming out of the church.

01:17:56.320 --> 01:17:59.240
 So that's just going to be jammin'.

01:17:59.240 --> 01:18:05.880
 And when I get company, okay, because I have a small driveway, they use Carnegie Ridge to

01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:06.880
 park on.

01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:10.240
 Well, that's going to be right there too.

01:18:10.240 --> 01:18:12.760
 So I just think it's going to be a major problem.

01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:17.120
 Another thing, I don't know if anybody's told you, but when you go up Carnegie Ridge to

01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:24.720
 Crawford, especially in the wintertime, that gets blocked up.

01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:26.880
 Because they can't make the hill.

01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:30.840
 And then if they can get out and they get on Crawford, that's another hill, like Keith's

01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.140
 talking about.

01:18:32.140 --> 01:18:35.440
 And they just spin and spin and spin, and sand is not the answer.

01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:41.200
 I mean, if it rains, the sand's covered up, and it does the same thing again.

01:18:41.200 --> 01:18:45.720
 That's just going to be a major problem, and it's going to be a backup.

01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:51.520
 And I can see a major problem if we do get an ice storm and that church leaves out.

01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:52.520
 Maybe it won't happen.

01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:53.520
 I don't know.

01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.740
 But if you get 10, 12 cars pulled up Carnegie Ridge trying to get out of Crawford, and they

01:18:57.740 --> 01:19:01.760
 can't make it, they're going to come back downhill.

01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.120
 There's no other place to go.

01:19:05.120 --> 01:19:12.560
 But I think that when they had that house approved through Poulty, I'm sure he got with

01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:17.200
 the city and everything, and they realized the church had that approval for the next

01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:23.000
 street up, for the driveway to come out of there, Melbrook or whatever it is, that might

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:28.080
 have been okay, because it didn't interfere with my house.

01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:35.960
 But if you look on the map, where my house is, I got nine feet from there to the sidewalk.

01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:43.960
 So I get company comes, they park out there, and then I'm going to tell my people to move.

01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:47.840
 I mean, where am I going to park?

01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:48.840
 I guess that's it.

01:19:48.840 --> 01:20:00.640
 That's one of the biggest things, okay?

01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:01.960
 I have nothing against the church.

01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.960
 I just think that they should keep it back up at the other entrance.

01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:07.800
 That's what was approved for them.

01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.440
 I just think the Cedarhurst one's the wrong one.

01:20:10.440 --> 01:20:18.800
 The only thing I want to add is they're talking about 187 parking spaces coming out of that

01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:22.160
 entrance, or that exit.

01:20:22.160 --> 01:20:32.080
 If it could be reconfigured to where not so many, I mean, that's 187 versus larger amounts

01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:33.840
 than the other exits.

01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:39.360
 That's more than all the other two exits will exit out of.

01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:42.600
 Do you follow me?

01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:48.760
 And if they could move it up again, go back to Woodmere, reconfigure the parking spaces

01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:55.680
 -- I don't have an objection there, but 187 cars coming out of that exit right there at

01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:01.160
 our house, I don't see how it could not cause a cluster.

01:21:01.160 --> 01:21:05.320
 >> Let's just say it's not 187, let's just say it's half of them, that's still a ton

01:21:05.320 --> 01:21:06.320
 of cars coming out.

01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:07.320
 >> Well, it is.

01:21:07.320 --> 01:21:12.520
 But if they could just reconfigure it somehow to where not that many is coming out and move

01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:17.560
 the exit back up to Woodmere.

01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:20.580
 >> Thank you for sharing your thoughts, both of you.

01:21:20.580 --> 01:21:23.320
 Next card I have is Travis Clemens.

01:21:23.320 --> 01:21:24.320
 Hello.

01:21:24.320 --> 01:21:31.520
 >> I don't know how -- did I just give them to you?

01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:32.520
 >> No.

01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:33.520
 >> Thank you.

01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:40.480
 >> Put them on the -- this is very amateur, because I did this today, so.

01:21:40.480 --> 01:22:00.560
 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:15.760
 >> Thank you.

01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:16.920
 >> Thank you, guys, for taking the time.

01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:18.600
 My name is Travis Clemens.

01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:20.960
 My family and I have lived here for about three years.

01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:27.520
 I live on 6520 Woodmere Court, so it's a couple feet off of the red line where my vote matters.

01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.960
 I want to highlight that I'm a very religious person.

01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:33.000
 I've attended religious masses every week of my whole life.

01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:37.600
 I've dedicated two years of my life to missionary service in the impoverished region of Argentina.

01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:42.920
 I have studied religion in college, and I've paid 10% of my income to religious charities

01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.640
 since the day I could do household chores.

01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.900
 So I want to implore you that my opinion in no way, shape, or form is against St. Mark

01:22:48.900 --> 01:22:51.520
 Catholic Church nor its divine purpose.

01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:54.720
 Also this is my first experience doing something like this, so forgive me.

01:22:54.720 --> 01:23:02.080
 So I just learned about this reading shortly, so my info is probably a little spotty.

01:23:02.080 --> 01:23:07.560
 My qualm here is against the exit.

01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:12.200
 I don't care how much parking they have, but I care about the exit onto my street.

01:23:12.200 --> 01:23:13.200
 I'm no lawyer.

01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:16.840
 I'm not an expert in urban planning, nor was I here when all this was approved back in

01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:17.840
 2012.

01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:21.280
 I'm an investment banker, and if my profession has taught me one thing, it's about trying

01:23:21.280 --> 01:23:25.040
 to find common ground between both parties that makes sense.

01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:30.800
 I believe that this exit is a negative externality, ill-affecting the neighborhood and not improving

01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:31.800
 traffic flow.

01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.600
 If you look at exhibit one, which is a Google Maps of the area question with some little

01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:39.160
 marks by me, I'd like to direct your attention to the little blue rectangles which are meant

01:23:39.160 --> 01:23:41.200
 to represent traffic from the church.

01:23:41.200 --> 01:23:44.400
 I've lived here long enough and seen thousands of times and experienced hundreds of times

01:23:44.400 --> 01:23:49.000
 that traffic is woefully congested on Crawford Road, and to a lesser extent, John Payne Road.

01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.600
 The reason for this is that there are only two main exits from this area, a single lane

01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:57.900
 stop sign at 35 West or a single lane stop light with a railroad on Fort Worth Drive,

01:23:57.900 --> 01:24:01.280
 which is further congested by the Argyle Sixth Grade Center as well.

01:24:01.280 --> 01:24:04.000
 These exits are the only options we have in this neighborhood as well as the members of

01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:06.000
 the church have to exit this area.

01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.440
 This is where my problem lies.

01:24:07.440 --> 01:24:11.560
 Ultimately, the church might minutely alleviate congestion outside its main south exit, but

01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:15.800
 ultimately this is not the problem, as traffic will remain congested on Crawford Road.

01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:19.920
 The proposed exit might save someone 15 seconds as they zip along Carnegie Ridge, but ultimately

01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:23.160
 will have to merge onto the congested Crawford Road just the same.

01:24:23.160 --> 01:24:27.340
 This is where my point of common sense comes up, constructing an exit on the west side

01:24:27.340 --> 01:24:31.920
 of the property on Carnegie Ridge will not aid in reducing traffic along Crawford Road,

01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:35.400
 rather it will just insert more dangerous traffic into that community.

01:24:35.400 --> 01:24:38.040
 Now looking towards the neighborhood more broadly, you will see that there are only

01:24:38.040 --> 01:24:42.680
 two entrances into our neighborhood, one which already serves as an entrance to the church.

01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:46.160
 Adding another exit or entrance on Carnegie Ridge will now disrupt the only two entrances

01:24:46.160 --> 01:24:47.720
 this neighborhood has.

01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:51.640
 And to quote my neighbor who lives outside the entrance on Meandering Creek, who did

01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.160
 not know about this meeting, "When the church services are starting and ending, we can't

01:24:55.160 --> 01:24:57.720
 even get out of our own driveway."

01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.040
 Looking towards Exhibit 2, you will see an image of this area back in 2013, a couple

01:25:02.040 --> 01:25:05.280
 months after this proposal was approved, and you'll notice there was no community here

01:25:05.280 --> 01:25:06.800
 to even vote on this matter.

01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.520
 Why should the community here today, who previously had no idea this was part of the plan, be

01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.840
 beholden to this proposal when there wasn't even representation for them at that time?

01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.560
 Further, when this proposal was approved back in 2012, the community pool was not part of

01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:20.560
 the plan.

01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:23.360
 Additionally, we have our community park just a block away.

01:25:23.360 --> 01:25:27.120
 We are proposing ejecting an exit, which will then have numerous cars entering and exiting

01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:30.960
 into the single most congested area of our neighborhood, as families frequently gather

01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:32.120
 at that pool and park.

01:25:32.120 --> 01:25:36.240
 I've heard many times that no one is there on the weekend, but I work the weekdays.

01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:39.080
 And so on the weekends, it's the only time I can go there with my family.

01:25:39.080 --> 01:25:43.600
 I also want to add that Meandering Creek, another street in our neighborhood that will

01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:47.840
 receive undeserved traffic, does not even have a sidewalk on the north side of the street,

01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:50.680
 if you look to Exhibit 3.

01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:54.680
 We are then proposing ejecting additional traffic on Meandering Creek, which is a street

01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:59.080
 that misses a sidewalk, which I don't have to say, but that doesn't make sense and is

01:25:59.080 --> 01:26:00.080
 more dangerous.

01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:05.160
 Now, if there was an exit on the northwest side of this neighborhood, going under 35

01:26:05.160 --> 01:26:09.160
 yards, I'd understand more inserting an exit on this side.

01:26:09.160 --> 01:26:12.760
 However, this doesn't exist, and cars will go the same way they go anyway onto Crawford

01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:13.760
 Road.

01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:15.640
 So why root Carnegie Ridge in the process?

01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:20.360
 In closing, I'm going to skip a little bit because I've got five seconds here, but I

01:26:20.360 --> 01:26:24.160
 don't understand why we are prioritizing the supposed more convenience of a meeting house

01:26:24.160 --> 01:26:27.960
 rather than the desires and safety of the communities and children in which it lies,

01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.280
 especially when that community did not have a voice back during the approval process back

01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:32.280
 in 2012.

01:26:32.280 --> 01:26:35.600
 But I hope you hear our voice now and the board understands the worries and concerns

01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.600
 of our community.

01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:40.920
 As I understand it, it's too late to change the addition of an exit, but it can be amended

01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:42.960
 by how much parking and where that exit lies.

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.880
 I implore to the board to move the exit away from their neighborhood or eliminate it entirely,

01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:48.880
 otherwise they can have all the parking they want.

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:49.880
 Sorry.

01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:50.880
 I went over.

01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:51.880
 That's all I got.

01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:52.880
 >> No, you're fine.

01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:53.880
 Thank you.

01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.360
 Any questions before I ask mine?

01:26:56.360 --> 01:26:58.360
 I have a question for you.

01:26:58.360 --> 01:27:03.440
 So it's your opinion that by moving -- so the driveway, as you've heard already, is

01:27:03.440 --> 01:27:04.440
 already approved.

01:27:04.440 --> 01:27:05.440
 >> Yes.

01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:06.440
 >> It was approved.

01:27:06.440 --> 01:27:07.440
 It's there now.

01:27:07.440 --> 01:27:09.960
 And it just hasn't been built yet, but it can be.

01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.000
 So you're saying with the realignment, you think that's going to invite more people to

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.480
 come through meandering and down?

01:27:16.480 --> 01:27:21.000
 Because, I mean, they could -- >> From Woodland to Cedarhurst?

01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:22.000
 >> Yeah.

01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:26.680
 So you're thinking they're going to make a right out of there and go through your neighborhood

01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:27.680
 that way?

01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:31.160
 >> Well, my problems is I don't particularly care where that exit comes out of.

01:27:31.160 --> 01:27:35.080
 If it comes out of my street in Woodmere or Cedarhurst, I'm okay.

01:27:35.080 --> 01:27:37.920
 My thing is I don't want an exit altogether.

01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.160
 I know the proposal is to add more parking.

01:27:40.160 --> 01:27:41.760
 I'm completely fine with that.

01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.820
 Obviously, I'm a religious person.

01:27:43.820 --> 01:27:45.280
 More people in the church, the better.

01:27:45.280 --> 01:27:50.920
 I'm just trying to avoid congesting the only other street that's not already congested.

01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.440
 So if they want more parking, I'm totally in favor of that.

01:27:53.440 --> 01:27:58.960
 I just wish they would not put an exit on the only "clean street" that we have in this

01:27:58.960 --> 01:27:59.960
 neighborhood.

01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:00.960
 >> Right.

01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:02.480
 I mean, except they can't already do that.

01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:03.480
 >> Exactly.

01:28:03.480 --> 01:28:04.480
 Yeah.

01:28:04.480 --> 01:28:05.480
 Completely understood.

01:28:05.480 --> 01:28:06.480
 I wanted my opinion on the record.

01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:07.480
 >> Sure, sure.

01:28:07.480 --> 01:28:12.480
 So are you thinking it's -- in your opinion, is it better with the way it is now with where

01:28:12.480 --> 01:28:15.640
 it's proposed versus that realignment to the north?

01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:16.640
 >> I'm indifferent.

01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:21.200
 I would believe where it is now on Woodmere is better because it's less in the neighborhood.

01:28:21.200 --> 01:28:25.600
 So the further out it can be, the better because that affects less people, less children.

01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:29.040
 I don't like that it's next to a park and I don't like it's next to the pool, but obviously

01:28:29.040 --> 01:28:30.480
 it's going to go somewhere.

01:28:30.480 --> 01:28:35.160
 So I want it as far away from the -- as further outside as possible.

01:28:35.160 --> 01:28:36.160
 That's my opinion.

01:28:36.160 --> 01:28:38.840
 But again, my opinion is I don't want one at all.

01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:39.840
 >> Very good.

01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:46.440
 Well, thank you very much for coming to speak and for the information.

01:28:46.440 --> 01:28:51.680
 Next card I have is Justin Hilton.

01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.680
 >> Evening.

01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:57.160
 >> Good evening.

01:28:57.160 --> 01:29:05.360
 >> My name is Justin Hilton and I live at 6505 Meandering Creek which is in that 200-foot

01:29:05.360 --> 01:29:06.360
 line.

01:29:06.360 --> 01:29:12.320
 First I want to start by saying St. Mark's, beautiful church, outstanding, they've done

01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:13.320
 a great job.

01:29:13.320 --> 01:29:14.320
 I'm in the construction industry.

01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:17.200
 I've been in it for 15 years, commercial construction.

01:29:17.200 --> 01:29:23.720
 I've worked with Lindbeck quite a bit on other projects, so I understand how things go.

01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:29.640
 What I don't understand is how it got approved in 2012 before the neighborhood was even a

01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:36.040
 concept and why this entrance or the layout for the parking wasn't revisited prior to

01:29:36.040 --> 01:29:38.040
 getting approval for the neighborhood.

01:29:38.040 --> 01:29:44.880
 I know work I do on other sites and everything else, all this goes into consideration once

01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:47.800
 something else pops up.

01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:54.000
 So I'm having a hard time understanding that.

01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.680
 You can go to hospitals across DFW, you can go to other churches across DFW.

01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:03.800
 Typically, there's one to two entrances, so I just, again, I know they need more parking.

01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:12.720
 I just don't understand why there's necessarily need for a third entrance.

01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:15.360
 I've heard from numerous people that probably don't have children.

01:30:15.360 --> 01:30:18.640
 I have a four-year-old son and a seven-year-old son.

01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:21.620
 I live right on the corner.

01:30:21.620 --> 01:30:23.640
 That hinders their safety to me.

01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:24.920
 They ride bikes around the neighborhood.

01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:27.000
 They walk our dog around the neighborhood.

01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:30.400
 This is going to hinder my wife and myself, and we have to take our kids to baseball on

01:30:30.400 --> 01:30:31.400
 Saturday.

01:30:31.400 --> 01:30:36.040
 I go to church at the well on 30, 407 every Sunday.

01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:39.280
 This is an issue for us getting out of our neighborhood, and this is only going to hinder

01:30:39.280 --> 01:30:41.240
 it even more.

01:30:41.240 --> 01:30:50.440
 Yeah, you know, again, I've heard that this is a hindrance to their congregation, and

01:30:50.440 --> 01:30:51.440
 I get that.

01:30:51.440 --> 01:30:52.960
 But what about our community?

01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.320
 Because, you know, church is about community.

01:30:55.320 --> 01:30:58.280
 You know, Carnegie Ridge is a community.

01:30:58.280 --> 01:31:03.840
 So there needs to be a solution, and I know it's already approved and it's probably too

01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:04.840
 late, whatever.

01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:05.840
 I understand.

01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:11.620
 But I don't understand why we can't find some common ground here and try to make this right

01:31:11.620 --> 01:31:17.360
 for both parties.

01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:21.680
 And my last point is, at the end of the day, saving the congregation at St. Mark's five

01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:24.520
 minutes from clearing out their parking lot, is that more important than the safety of

01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:27.000
 all the kids in our neighborhood?

01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.520
 Yes, that's kind of where I stand, bottom line.

01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.480
 So I appreciate y'all's time.

01:31:32.480 --> 01:31:33.480
 Thank you.

01:31:33.480 --> 01:31:36.480
 Can I ask you a question?

01:31:36.480 --> 01:31:37.480
 Yes, ma'am.

01:31:37.480 --> 01:31:42.520
 So, I mean, with your -- I mean, you're in the construction business and commercial property.

01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.520
 So what do you think -- let's just pretend that this driveway wasn't -- what do you think

01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:47.520
 the fix is?

01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:48.520
 I don't know.

01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:52.840
 I know that I've heard talks, and I haven't been to all the meetings and everything.

01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:57.880
 But there's a retainage detention area on the east side of the church.

01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:02.800
 I mean, there's other sites that they reworked at, and they could have another entrance coming

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:08.800
 out over there on John Payne or coming out on Crawford, further east of where that entrance

01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:09.800
 and exit is now.

01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:12.640
 I don't know.

01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:17.480
 But I know there's other solutions that's just not being talked about.

01:32:17.480 --> 01:32:18.480
 Okay.

01:32:18.480 --> 01:32:19.480
 So.

01:32:19.480 --> 01:32:20.480
 Okay.

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:21.480
 Thank you.

01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:22.480
 Thank you.

01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:36.560
 Next card I have is Justin Quintana.

01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:37.560
 Good evening.

01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.240
 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

01:32:40.240 --> 01:32:47.040
 I live off of 6613 Cedarhurst Court, so just right outside of that 500-foot range.

01:32:47.040 --> 01:32:49.800
 However, this does greatly affect me, no matter what.

01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:51.920
 I think the church is a great thing in our neighborhood.

01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:54.100
 I think every neighborhood needs a church.

01:32:54.100 --> 01:32:56.400
 It creates a center stone to the community.

01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:59.880
 And it's a pretty amazing-looking church as well.

01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:05.800
 That being said, I think the growth is going to be a lot greater than what's expected.

01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:10.800
 They talk about the growth is only going to come in spurts during, you know, holidays

01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:11.800
 and things of that nature.

01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:15.200
 I think with the way the church looks and the way that the community is growing, I think

01:33:15.200 --> 01:33:22.280
 they're going to expect to use these overflow lots a lot more than what they believe.

01:33:22.280 --> 01:33:28.120
 You know, kind of to what you're saying, like one thing that we might be able to do to assist

01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:31.480
 with the traffic control is adding a second driveway out for Crawford.

01:33:31.480 --> 01:33:35.720
 The reality is having that other driveway, there's no artery for cars to flow out of

01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:36.720
 there.

01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:39.760
 It flows right into another artery, which is Crawford, which is already going to be

01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:41.600
 congested during those times.

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:45.160
 I believe if there was some other alternate route in the back that cars were able to get

01:33:45.160 --> 01:33:49.840
 out of there, that alternate exit would be an option.

01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.680
 And I think we also forget that cars are going to be using Carnegie Ridge to get into there

01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:54.680
 as well.

01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:58.720
 There's also an island or a raised median that is there right off of Crawford.

01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:00.640
 It gets hit pretty regularly.

01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.320
 There's rocks, the big boulders that are there, they get hit.

01:34:03.320 --> 01:34:04.920
 The landscaping is constantly getting damaged.

01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:06.960
 And that's just by people who live in the area.

01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:10.680
 As more and more cars go through there trying to be in a rush, we all know everyone's never

01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:12.120
 on time to go to church.

01:34:12.120 --> 01:34:13.120
 That's also going to get hit.

01:34:13.120 --> 01:34:19.240
 And we're going to start to see a higher propensity for accidents that are there.

01:34:19.240 --> 01:34:23.240
 And I believe the driveway is also looking to get moved from Woodmere to Cedarhurst,

01:34:23.240 --> 01:34:25.440
 a little bit closer towards the pool.

01:34:25.440 --> 01:34:28.600
 I think that's also another area where we're going to have more congestion.

01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:33.360
 There's the stop sign that's located off Carnegie Ridge and Meandering.

01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:37.120
 As we move that driveway closer, that's just going to be more congestion in the area, not

01:34:37.120 --> 01:34:40.760
 allowing cars to flow out of that parking lot if that driveway is going to be used.

01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:45.840
 So it's just going to continue to flow, cause more traffic back up.

01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.360
 That being said, as well, if an officer is going to be used off of Crawford in front

01:34:49.360 --> 01:34:53.960
 of the church, the point of that's going to be mitigated by allowing cars to exit off

01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:55.760
 of Carnegie at this point.

01:34:55.760 --> 01:35:00.400
 If he's controlling traffic and then we have another uncontrolled access at Carnegie Ridge,

01:35:00.400 --> 01:35:04.260
 we're kind of messing with ourselves and not really allowing that officer to do the job

01:35:04.260 --> 01:35:07.760
 that they're going to do to allow proper flow coming out of there.

01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:10.520
 Again, I think the church is awesome.

01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:16.320
 I think it's a great thing, but I do believe that in 2012 the growth was unforeseen in

01:35:16.320 --> 01:35:21.520
 the area and here we are 12 years later with a big community that surrounds it that's continuing

01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.640
 to grow and we only know that parishioners are going to continue to grow in that area

01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:26.640
 as well.

01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:33.400
 I think if we are looking to expand 180 cars or spots in there, that driveway I'm sure

01:35:33.400 --> 01:35:38.780
 can be taken a look at to say, "Hey, you know what, maybe that should be taken down as any

01:35:38.780 --> 01:35:39.780
 other church."

01:35:39.780 --> 01:35:43.760
 I think the churches all over the community use one access point to get in and out.

01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:49.480
 We can have a controlled access point with an officer there mitigating traffic issues

01:35:49.480 --> 01:35:53.600
 and here we're only adding more by allowing more and more cars to flow out of there and

01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:57.720
 I understand that yeah, cars can park on the street, but the reality is, I mean what, we

01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:02.380
 might get 60 cars that can park on Carnegie Ridge total or are we going to get 180 coming

01:36:02.380 --> 01:36:05.380
 out of that parking lot?

01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:07.040
 So thank you for your time everyone.

01:36:07.040 --> 01:36:08.880
 Thank you very much.

01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:20.520
 Let's see, next card I have is Sam Schoeniefeldt.

01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:28.640
 Good evening.

01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:29.640
 Good evening.

01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.080
 Thanks for allowing me to speak.

01:36:31.080 --> 01:36:35.520
 I'm Sam Schoeniefeldt, like the record said, and I live at 157 Hidden Valley Airport over

01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:36.520
 in Shady Shores.

01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:40.040
 But I just moved this summer out of Argyle.

01:36:40.040 --> 01:36:43.240
 We made our home after returning from the Air Force back in 2014.

01:36:43.240 --> 01:36:49.840
 One of the biggest draws of moving to Argyle was the Argyle ISD in St. Mark's Parish, which

01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.440
 was just started.

01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:55.120
 We got there obviously that the housing community hadn't been built completely around it yet,

01:36:55.120 --> 01:37:00.240
 but you could see that there was a potential for growth that would match the vision of

01:37:00.240 --> 01:37:05.120
 the community, which was I think one of the most warmest and welcoming communities that

01:37:05.120 --> 01:37:10.420
 we've ever been a part of, and we saw that that growth would be beneficial to the community

01:37:10.420 --> 01:37:11.420
 at every level.

01:37:11.420 --> 01:37:19.040
 You know, the church likes to say that it's a hospital for sinners, and we help people

01:37:19.040 --> 01:37:23.080
 on many levels, not just financially or from a charity or anything like that, but building

01:37:23.080 --> 01:37:26.200
 them up and making them better citizens.

01:37:26.200 --> 01:37:35.400
 So I think that and that growth and the mission of the church in bringing people to a better

01:37:35.400 --> 01:37:38.680
 state is something that's worth considering.

01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:43.320
 Having grown up in Argyle for the last nine years, or raised my kids in Argyle and sent

01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:48.440
 my youngest through Argyle ISD until he graduated in 2020, Crawford Road's the problem here.

01:37:48.440 --> 01:37:50.440
 It's not St. Mark's.

01:37:50.440 --> 01:37:51.840
 Crawford's a nightmare either way.

01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:57.680
 It used to be just 377, it was a problem, but now trying to get underneath the bridge

01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:01.880
 on 35W, it's just, it's crazy.

01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:06.360
 Go there at seven o'clock in the morning or five o'clock, four o'clock in the afternoon,

01:38:06.360 --> 01:38:07.680
 and it's just itched in.

01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:14.460
 St. Mark's footprint within that congestion really isn't even, it's not significant.

01:38:14.460 --> 01:38:19.480
 So I would just bring that for your consideration.

01:38:19.480 --> 01:38:21.040
 So the community was destined to grow.

01:38:21.040 --> 01:38:26.040
 We knew that when we got here, but we also think that St. Mark's should as well because

01:38:26.040 --> 01:38:28.780
 of the benefits that it gives to the community.

01:38:28.780 --> 01:38:29.780
 And that's all I have to say.

01:38:29.780 --> 01:38:30.780
 Thank you for your time.

01:38:30.780 --> 01:38:33.760
 Thank you as well.

01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:51.760
 Next card I have is Joyce Steiner.

01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:52.760
 Hello.

01:38:52.760 --> 01:39:03.400
 Hi, my name is George Steiner and I live at 6501 Richley Court, first house by the stop

01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:08.720
 sign right across the street from the church.

01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.160
 I have no problem with the church.

01:39:12.160 --> 01:39:15.000
 All my neighbors go to the church.

01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:20.260
 I drove with them here.

01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:26.080
 My problem is the traffic.

01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:36.360
 My house sits about eight feet from the street.

01:39:36.360 --> 01:39:43.600
 The city of Denton took 26 feet of my backyard and eight feet.

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:44.880
 So I don't have a backyard.

01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:55.880
 So I'm sitting in my side yard facing, facing Carnegie Ridge.

01:39:55.880 --> 01:40:02.840
 I've seen the traffic in the mornings when I'm out drinking hot chocolate.

01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:07.200
 I see the traffic in the evening.

01:40:07.200 --> 01:40:15.960
 And to turn on Carnegie Ridge from Crawford, we don't have really a turning lane.

01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:19.160
 We have a turning spot.

01:40:19.160 --> 01:40:22.840
 One car can get to that spot.

01:40:22.840 --> 01:40:34.740
 And if the traffic coming from Crawford Road to Carnegie, it's going to back up to that

01:40:34.740 --> 01:40:39.560
 hospital, because it already does.

01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:44.040
 And the cars, they go real fast.

01:40:44.040 --> 01:40:46.560
 I've seen several accidents.

01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:53.620
 I've seen a truck go in the ditch on the cross by the church.

01:40:53.620 --> 01:41:00.680
 So the traffic for me is the big problem.

01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:02.520
 Like I said, I don't have a backyard.

01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:04.160
 I just have a side yard.

01:41:04.160 --> 01:41:08.840
 And when I sit out there, I smell the fumes.

01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:18.280
 I hear the noise and the line in the mornings and in the evenings, it's just, I don't have

01:41:18.280 --> 01:41:19.960
 a buffer.

01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:23.960
 There's no buffer.

01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:36.000
 So I don't know what the solution is, but that traffic is going to be incredible.

01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.180
 And it's going to impact me.

01:41:39.180 --> 01:41:41.880
 I can't get away from it.

01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:46.920
 My patio faces Carnegie Ridge.

01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:52.320
 My backyard, which is eight feet, is up against Crawford.

01:41:52.320 --> 01:42:00.160
 So if they could do something, I would be happy.

01:42:00.160 --> 01:42:03.640
 That's all I got to say.

01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:09.840
 Thank you very much, Ms. Dyna.

01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:20.000
 Next card I have is from the Stokes.

01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:21.000
 Hi there.

01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:22.000
 Yes.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:29.360
 My name is Tito Stokes, and I sit right there, or I reside right there at 5779 Meandering

01:42:29.360 --> 01:42:30.360
 Creek.

01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:31.360
 I'm sorry.

01:42:31.360 --> 01:42:32.360
 6501 Meandering Creek.

01:42:32.360 --> 01:42:39.040
 I put an old address, I was thinking about another house, maybe thinking about moving.

01:42:39.040 --> 01:42:40.040
 Just kidding.

01:42:40.040 --> 01:42:46.240
 So yes, I'm at 6501 Meandering Creek, and my house sits right next door to Justin and

01:42:46.240 --> 01:42:49.360
 right next behind my neighbor Richard.

01:42:49.360 --> 01:42:58.360
 And one of the impacts that I do see with that parking being sitting there, coming out

01:42:58.360 --> 01:43:04.820
 of the new parking that's proposed for it to come out further north, is that it's also

01:43:04.820 --> 01:43:09.120
 going to have a major impact on Meandering Creek.

01:43:09.120 --> 01:43:16.560
 It's also a main wayfare of neighborhood traffic that are trying to get out of there, or even

01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:20.080
 just coming back home from wherever they've been going.

01:43:20.080 --> 01:43:23.280
 And again, I don't have a problem with the church.

01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:24.280
 I love the church.

01:43:24.280 --> 01:43:30.640
 I'm a church-goer myself, and I see this being an impact for the neighborhood, for us to

01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:36.480
 go to church, as they're also having their different masses at different times and things

01:43:36.480 --> 01:43:37.480
 like that.

01:43:37.480 --> 01:43:44.720
 So I see that being a major, major issue with us also trying to get to church and wherever

01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:48.320
 we may be trying to go on Sunday.

01:43:48.320 --> 01:43:56.480
 The other thing that I know I can stand there, look out my window as well, or in my yard,

01:43:56.480 --> 01:43:58.800
 there's church functions going on throughout the year.

01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:00.660
 It's not just on Sunday.

01:44:00.660 --> 01:44:06.160
 There's major things that happen at all churches, different functions, different things that

01:44:06.160 --> 01:44:10.080
 happen that go on at the church, so they don't just happen on Sunday.

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:16.600
 And I think we also need to just also know that the neighborhood isn't just laying there

01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:21.400
 or watching out our windows, watching everybody come to St. Mark's.

01:44:21.400 --> 01:44:26.200
 We're also trying to get to church ourselves on Sunday morning, some go on Saturdays as

01:44:26.200 --> 01:44:27.200
 well.

01:44:27.200 --> 01:44:29.200
 There's also services on Saturdays as well.

01:44:29.200 --> 01:44:33.880
 So they're not just on Sunday, it's throughout the week.

01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:37.480
 There's Wednesday night services, Tuesday night, you know what I mean?

01:44:37.480 --> 01:44:41.640
 So there's different services and activities that continue to happen.

01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:51.360
 But again, to have that, to move that parking entrance and exit further north into the belly

01:44:51.360 --> 01:44:56.700
 of the neighborhood is going to have a major impact to stop all of that traffic from everyone

01:44:56.700 --> 01:45:00.440
 coming from their own homes that are going up and down Meandering Creek.

01:45:00.440 --> 01:45:04.240
 They're going to make that left or that right on Carnegie Ridge and they're going to be

01:45:04.240 --> 01:45:05.280
 stuck.

01:45:05.280 --> 01:45:12.240
 So it's not going to just be five or six or seven minute if you've got 186 cars trying

01:45:12.240 --> 01:45:16.040
 to get out of there or you have 50 cars trying to get out of there.

01:45:16.040 --> 01:45:22.400
 It is a major traffic zone right there at Carnegie Ridge and Meandering Creek.

01:45:22.400 --> 01:45:28.000
 And I see it because I see it every day, all day for the past five years.

01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:32.520
 And there was one time Carnegie Ridge wasn't open.

01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:38.200
 It was a closed street at one point before all the houses that were built on our west

01:45:38.200 --> 01:45:39.200
 end.

01:45:39.200 --> 01:45:41.680
 It was a closed street when I first moved there.

01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:47.280
 So most of the traffic and everyone had to go around to John Payne to get out of the

01:45:47.280 --> 01:45:48.900
 neighborhood as well.

01:45:48.900 --> 01:45:56.200
 So just something to put into consideration that to move that entrance and exit further

01:45:56.200 --> 01:46:00.400
 down into the neighborhood is going to have a major, major impact on the neighborhood

01:46:00.400 --> 01:46:01.460
 as well.

01:46:01.460 --> 01:46:03.560
 So that's all I wanted to add.

01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:05.480
 Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.

01:46:05.480 --> 01:46:09.160
 Did you get my new address?

01:46:09.160 --> 01:46:13.400
 6501.

01:46:13.400 --> 01:46:21.880
 I'm changing it now.

01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:25.760
 That's the last card that I have here, but this is a public hearing.

01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.920
 And even if you didn't fill out a card, you are welcome to come and speak.

01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:31.520
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:33.520
 Yeah, come on.

01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:35.400
 You can fill out a card after.

01:46:35.400 --> 01:46:38.160
 Just come up here and state your name and address and your time will begin.

01:46:38.160 --> 01:46:41.640
 I wasn't going to speak, but now I'm going to.

01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:42.640
 My name is Kathy Henderson.

01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.880
 I live at 6501 Woodmere, so I'm the third house in.

01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:46.880
 Oh, sorry.

01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:51.840
 I was at his house, 6509 Woodmere.

01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:54.080
 I'm the third house in.

01:46:54.080 --> 01:46:56.560
 My house backs the park, okay?

01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:58.840
 So from my backyard, I can see the park.

01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:03.240
 And to say that the kids that don't play there on the weekend, I watch out my back porch

01:47:03.240 --> 01:47:05.440
 and they're out there constantly.

01:47:05.440 --> 01:47:07.280
 There is no parking for the park.

01:47:07.280 --> 01:47:09.120
 They park on the streets.

01:47:09.120 --> 01:47:15.040
 That Carnegie Ridge is a two-lane street, so if anyone parks on that street, you have

01:47:15.040 --> 01:47:16.720
 to use the other lane.

01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:24.800
 So to put on that massive amount of exiting church traffic, that does completely impact

01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:29.200
 our street, whether it's on Meander or Woodmere.

01:47:29.200 --> 01:47:33.360
 The Woodmere one, at least, was between the streets, so they couldn't just pull into somebody's

01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:35.880
 neighborhood.

01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:42.920
 And then the pool is also on one end of the Carnegie, and the park is on the other.

01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:48.280
 Neither one has sufficient parking in our HOA, which was nothing we could have changed

01:47:48.280 --> 01:47:49.280
 at the time.

01:47:49.280 --> 01:47:53.960
 When I bought the house, they didn't mention anything about this new exit, or I would not

01:47:53.960 --> 01:48:03.760
 have purchased that house either.

01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:11.160
 They say that the traffic will only be Sundays and Saturdays.

01:48:11.160 --> 01:48:15.760
 I went out yesterday in the afternoon, and they must have had a funeral or something.

01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:23.280
 So there was traffic backed all the way up Crawford to 35 past their church entrance.

01:48:23.280 --> 01:48:27.160
 So to say it's going to be minimal traffic, that's not true.

01:48:27.160 --> 01:48:31.760
 There needs to be some kind of change, because all that does is push the traffic to Crawford

01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:42.320
 at a faster rate, at least having two exits, they can flow the traffic a little slower.

01:48:42.320 --> 01:48:47.120
 Thank you for sharing it.

01:48:47.120 --> 01:48:53.640
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not filled out a card?

01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:54.640
 Howdy.

01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:55.640
 Hi.

01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:56.640
 I'm Marshall Jennings.

01:48:56.640 --> 01:49:01.080
 I live at 6408 Roaring Creek Drive.

01:49:01.080 --> 01:49:02.680
 I don't go to church.

01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:04.320
 I'm not affiliated with the church.

01:49:04.320 --> 01:49:11.280
 However, I do think that it's something to discuss the future prospects of this, given

01:49:11.280 --> 01:49:16.820
 that many people have, oh, the community's growing, oh, the 10-year plan.

01:49:16.820 --> 01:49:22.400
 So if you look at the total volume of parking spots, it would be 456 spots for all the lots

01:49:22.400 --> 01:49:26.000
 that are planned or being built.

01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:33.520
 So given the very extreme situation of having nigh 500 vehicles parked there and trying

01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:40.360
 to leave all at the same time, because that's just how church services go, I think that

01:49:40.360 --> 01:49:47.200
 having 180 of those going through practically the heart of the neighborhood and 140 of those

01:49:47.200 --> 01:49:52.980
 going through Mandarin Creek, which they already do since that's already an exit, I think that's

01:49:52.980 --> 01:50:01.800
 an issue that in the future that if the total capacity is dealing with that and then already

01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:10.680
 Crawford is already an issue, so that having all those vehicles going through it and so,

01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:11.680
 okay, back up.

01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:16.680
 So 130 of those already go immediately or they have plans to go immediately on to Crawford.

01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:23.280
 140 of those go through Education Meandering, John Payne to Crawford, and then proposed

01:50:23.280 --> 01:50:27.320
 187 of those are going to go to Carnegie to Crawford.

01:50:27.320 --> 01:50:31.200
 Everybody's going to Crawford, so regardless of where they go, it's already going to be

01:50:31.200 --> 01:50:36.600
 an issue and it's already an issue as a road anyways, regardless of what the future prospects

01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:39.040
 might be.

01:50:39.040 --> 01:50:44.920
 And again, 187 of those going into the heart of the neighborhood, even at an intersection

01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:50.560
 or into a T-intersection into the middle of the block.

01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:55.320
 For example, you're already going to have people stuck at Carnegie and Crawford, given

01:50:55.320 --> 01:51:02.320
 the hill situation, given it's a left turn, right turn only intersection.

01:51:02.320 --> 01:51:07.520
 I think that if I were in a situation coming off onto Crawford from this new parking lot

01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:13.460
 at this new intersection and I look left and I see 20, 30 people waiting to turn onto Crawford,

01:51:13.460 --> 01:51:18.280
 I'm going to go through the neighborhood, which of course disadvantages everyone living

01:51:18.280 --> 01:51:22.080
 there, everyone living across the street at this intersection, everyone on Meandering Creek

01:51:22.080 --> 01:51:28.320
 who has to deal with it, and there's already people here at this hearing that have voice

01:51:28.320 --> 01:51:32.300
 complaints about living at the Meandering Creek intersection already.

01:51:32.300 --> 01:51:38.200
 So add, what, half of 180 going the other way down Meandering, they're going to have

01:51:38.200 --> 01:51:40.880
 an even bigger issue.

01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:46.080
 And then again, I think it's also worth considering that these are three cul-de-sacs that are

01:51:46.080 --> 01:51:53.240
 at the whim of whatever traffic might be on Carnegie Ridge, and again, the smallest intersection

01:51:53.240 --> 01:51:58.600
 there right, smallest cul-de-sac right at the intersection already has to deal with

01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:04.020
 all the things going on turning onto Crawford, let alone again having the maximum possible

01:52:04.020 --> 01:52:10.340
 capacity of 180 vehicles coming down through there additionally on top of whatever might

01:52:10.340 --> 01:52:14.240
 already going through given regular neighborhood traffic.

01:52:14.240 --> 01:52:19.440
 I think it's also worth bringing up the known St. Mark's schedule, which is to say that

01:52:19.440 --> 01:52:25.800
 on Sunday, they have 7 a.m. service, 9 a.m. service, 1130 a.m. service, and a 4 p.m.

01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:26.800
 service.

01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:27.800
 Monday, none.

01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:29.160
 Tuesday, they have a 730 a.m.

01:52:29.160 --> 01:52:33.160
 Wednesday, they have a 7 p.m. and a confessional service later.

01:52:33.160 --> 01:52:35.280
 Thursday, they have a 730 a.m.

01:52:35.280 --> 01:52:37.080
 Friday, they have a 730 a.m.

01:52:37.080 --> 01:52:42.680
 Saturday, they have a 5 p.m. and a 7 p.m. and then an earlier confessional.

01:52:42.680 --> 01:52:49.320
 And that's not even including Holy Days, special occasions, fundraisers, what have you.

01:52:49.320 --> 01:52:57.640
 So given, again, thinking of the future, 450 vehicles at this time throughout the entire

01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:04.680
 week on top of Holy Days, that's a lot to deal with with a neighborhood that already

01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:06.440
 deals with what they deal with.

01:53:06.440 --> 01:53:10.920
 So thinking future maximum possible, the worst case scenario, it's going to be horrible

01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.680
 for everyone, not just the churchgoers.

01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:18.080
 Yeah, that's my two cents.

01:53:18.080 --> 01:53:19.080
 Thank you.

01:53:19.080 --> 01:53:24.840
 Do you see a better solution than what is being proposed this evening?

01:53:24.840 --> 01:53:33.680
 Just where, I think, okay, I think what would be interesting is instead of having the intersection,

01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:37.920
 the road go off into here, into the heart of the neighborhood basically, and then this

01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:43.720
 intersection is already bad enough, is else to have take the tangent of these curves and

01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:49.240
 go straight on to Crawford or else have the opposite tangent and go all the way across

01:53:49.240 --> 01:53:51.120
 to John Payne.

01:53:51.120 --> 01:53:56.800
 This all the way across to Carnegie wouldn't make sense given the topography of the hill

01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:59.680
 and already right there into an intersection.

01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:05.120
 But I think having three main ones and then just splitting the traffic as you will onto

01:54:05.120 --> 01:54:09.880
 Crawford, which everyone's going to go anyway, so might as well already push them there,

01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:11.360
 would help.

01:54:11.360 --> 01:54:16.880
 Another solution I think would be expanding this intersection to be more like this, have

01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:23.960
 it wider, more lanes, what have you, onto Crawford, and then also make it a, let's see,

01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:27.060
 looking south, have it be right turn.

01:54:27.060 --> 01:54:31.360
 Everyone going westbound would be in the right lane and everyone going eastbound would be

01:54:31.360 --> 01:54:32.640
 in the left lane.

01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:36.760
 So on special days, Sunday, what have you, and especially if we have the officer there

01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:42.800
 directing traffic or monitoring, have it be, instead of an actual intersection, have everyone

01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:46.120
 going right, go west, everyone going left, go east.

01:54:46.120 --> 01:54:51.240
 And then of course, especially with this loop we have around the church, the complex, split

01:54:51.240 --> 01:54:52.480
 it at the back.

01:54:52.480 --> 01:54:59.680
 So everyone in this north parking lot, figure out what you're doing, go the according direction,

01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:01.840
 and then go left or right.

01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:06.560
 Everyone here, go around, or through there, everyone here, go around, wherever you need

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:11.480
 to be, instead of having an intersection here and dealing with the neighborhood, which I

01:55:11.480 --> 01:55:17.120
 would think would be more trouble than it's worth, honestly.

01:55:17.120 --> 01:55:21.360
 Thank you very much, appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

01:55:21.360 --> 01:55:22.800
 I don't have any more cards.

01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:29.200
 If you haven't spoken already, you may come down and do so.

01:55:29.200 --> 01:55:33.120
 Hello.

01:55:33.120 --> 01:55:36.360
 My name is Rick Villarreal, I live here in the city, but I go to St. Mark's, I don't

01:55:36.360 --> 01:55:37.360
 live in that neighborhood.

01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:43.240
 One of the things I do want to point out is that I go on to Mass there regularly on Sundays.

01:55:43.240 --> 01:55:47.640
 We don't have large traffic pileups, we don't, I mean, we do have, Crawford Road gets backed

01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:48.880
 up, it gets backed up every day.

01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:54.360
 I try to go down on 35, and that's not church traffic that's holding me up to the back of

01:55:54.360 --> 01:55:58.360
 the church, it's just regular traffic trying to get down that road, it is a bad problem.

01:55:58.360 --> 01:55:59.360
 Crawford Road is the problem.

01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:02.920
 But one thing I want to make sure that everybody understands is that we're talking about these

01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:06.160
 numbers of 456 parking spots.

01:56:06.160 --> 01:56:09.880
 It's only being built that for on those days when you have the maximum amount of people

01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:14.200
 that you wouldn't want parking on streets or parking in grass or parking any other place.

01:56:14.200 --> 01:56:17.720
 As the numbers were given out earlier, most of the time you have 600 people at Mass.

01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:22.040
 When you break that down to the number of people per cars, that usually rounds out to

01:56:22.040 --> 01:56:29.320
 about probably 185 to 200 total cars in the parking lot at a particular mass when you

01:56:29.320 --> 01:56:32.640
 have 600 people, because it's family, church has a lot of families, you have two people,

01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:34.600
 four people, five people in a car.

01:56:34.600 --> 01:56:39.280
 So when you're departing the parking lots out of there, it is not 180 people coming

01:56:39.280 --> 01:56:43.360
 out of one exit at one time, 140 people coming out of another exit at the other time.

01:56:43.360 --> 01:56:47.200
 When you divide those numbers up out of those exits, you will find that those numbers are

01:56:47.200 --> 01:56:48.200
 going to be much less.

01:56:48.200 --> 01:56:51.780
 And having had to deal with parking problems at other places before, I think sometimes

01:56:51.780 --> 01:56:52.920
 that gets a little overblown.

01:56:52.920 --> 01:56:56.680
 I understand being in a neighborhood and I understand concerns about the traffic, but

01:56:56.680 --> 01:57:00.640
 I also want to make sure that people understand that it is not all of that happening every

01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:04.360
 Sunday, every mass where you've got those kinds of cars coming out on that traffic is

01:57:04.360 --> 01:57:07.840
 just not realistic.

01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:08.840
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:09.840
 Appreciate it.

01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:25.280
 My name is Robert Cosas, I live at 6700 Woodmere Court.

01:57:25.280 --> 01:57:29.360
 And I'm a parishioner, good father there.

01:57:29.360 --> 01:57:32.120
 I have no problems with the church.

01:57:32.120 --> 01:57:38.080
 The additional parking spaces, if you drive by on our major feasts, Sundays, holidays,

01:57:38.080 --> 01:57:41.560
 you're parking a park on the grass, so give them concrete to park on versus parking on

01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:42.880
 the lawn, right?

01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:47.120
 So it makes sense.

01:57:47.120 --> 01:57:52.440
 Making the sanctuary bigger, it makes sense to allow the people to come and participate

01:57:52.440 --> 01:57:54.320
 together instead of different groups, right?

01:57:54.320 --> 01:57:58.080
 The other thing I bring up that no one's talked about, which I think is interesting is, so

01:57:58.080 --> 01:58:04.480
 I live at the very end of Woodmere, but if you could somehow zoom in, I live at the top

01:58:04.480 --> 01:58:05.480
 of the hill.

01:58:05.480 --> 01:58:06.480
 Okay?

01:58:06.480 --> 01:58:07.480
 I think Julie can help you with that.

01:58:07.480 --> 01:58:08.480
 Can you help me make it bigger?

01:58:08.480 --> 01:58:12.480
 I just want to point out something that's unique, no one's said yet.

01:58:12.480 --> 01:58:16.160
 On Cedar, okay, yeah, that's perfect.

01:58:16.160 --> 01:58:22.600
 If you look at the streets, Cedarhurst and Woodmere, and I know we've got a number of

01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:27.680
 people from it, and Clive lives two houses away from me, you go up when you come up,

01:58:27.680 --> 01:58:30.840
 so if you move the intersection, wherever you put it, if you put it at Cedarhurst, you

01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:31.840
 put it at Woodmere.

01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:38.560
 The other thing, and I called the county and I've never gotten responses on it, on signage,

01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:40.600
 they're dead ends.

01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:45.200
 So if you're in a hurry leaving church and you're going to go up to Cedarhurst thinking

01:58:45.200 --> 01:58:49.040
 I'm going to go out that way, right, you're going to create problems.

01:58:49.040 --> 01:58:52.280
 So there needs to be the signage that should say on those streets right now, there's no

01:58:52.280 --> 01:58:53.280
 outlet, right?

01:58:53.280 --> 01:58:56.880
 And the same thing, if you think you're going to cut down Meandering Creek and you're going

01:58:56.880 --> 01:59:00.800
 to take Russian Creek, you're going to go in a circle and come back out.

01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:06.360
 The only outlet is Meandering Creek at John Payne and Carnegie Ridge.

01:59:06.360 --> 01:59:11.840
 So and maybe the Good Father can help us educate our parishioners that when you're going to

01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:16.640
 leave church, those are your exits, because all you're going to do is drive up and we

01:59:16.640 --> 01:59:21.440
 see people come up, Woodmere, come flying up and realize that there's no place to go.

01:59:21.440 --> 01:59:24.300
 And they get to turn around real fast and drive back down the hill.

01:59:24.300 --> 01:59:30.780
 So and especially if it's on the street, wherever it ends up being, whether it's Woodmere or

01:59:30.780 --> 01:59:32.560
 Cedarhurst, there needs to be signage.

01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:36.880
 And the other thing you heard a lot about is on that would be the east side of Carnegie

01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:40.720
 Ridge is part of, I would think is part of the study.

01:59:40.720 --> 01:59:43.040
 They've talked about restricting parking.

01:59:43.040 --> 01:59:48.040
 So there'd be, again, signage for people, you know, and it says that you shouldn't,

01:59:48.040 --> 01:59:52.320
 like during the services, you're not going to want people parking on Carnegie Ridge on

01:59:52.320 --> 01:59:57.600
 the east side, which creates a problem because on the west side of Carnegie is the park.

01:59:57.600 --> 02:00:03.160
 So people want to use a park on Sunday morning, which is our ability to do so.

02:00:03.160 --> 02:00:07.600
 I don't have any small children, but you know, they're going to have to park, they're going

02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:08.600
 to park by the park.

02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:09.960
 So you're going to have a parking issue.

02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:13.280
 So you have to think about restricting parking, because it is true.

02:00:13.280 --> 02:00:20.920
 If you got the playground on the west side of Carnegie, and if you're having church services

02:00:20.920 --> 02:00:24.920
 and you have some type of like, we have events at the park, right, we have food truck come,

02:00:24.920 --> 02:00:29.600
 we have events, people park both sides, it will create problems during when they're both

02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:31.680
 competing for the same space.

02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:37.160
 But my biggest request from what you do here in the commission is to put more signage up

02:00:37.160 --> 02:00:41.520
 and let people know that whatever you're going to end up agreeing to and whatever gets permitted,

02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:45.440
 that they put up a public signs so we don't have a bunch of people running up and down

02:00:45.440 --> 02:00:49.680
 the streets and turn around and coming back, which creates more congestion at the intersection.

02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:52.880
 Because there's nothing that tells people those are dead ends.

02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:53.880
 Thank you.

02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:55.360
 Can I ask you a question?

02:00:55.360 --> 02:00:56.360
 Sure.

02:00:56.360 --> 02:01:00.400
 So are you in favor of the request before us?

02:01:00.400 --> 02:01:05.600
 I look at it this way, and I know there's been a lot of good exchange, okay, and that

02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:06.600
 makes it healthy.

02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:10.640
 I'm in favor of the fact that it's approved already, right?

02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:18.800
 So I agree wholeheartedly that it was poorly communicated that people don't know what we

02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.480
 thought we had an ability to change.

02:01:21.480 --> 02:01:23.120
 It's already been granted.

02:01:23.120 --> 02:01:29.720
 The issue is surely the church can have those seats, surely the church can have the additional

02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:30.720
 parking spaces.

02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:31.720
 It's on their land.

02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:33.400
 Like they said, it's a small percentage.

02:01:33.400 --> 02:01:36.000
 And you don't have to make people park on the grass.

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.560
 They're going to still attend church, and like the others said, they're going to park

02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:39.560
 on our sidewalks.

02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:40.560
 I mean, on our streets, right?

02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:42.460
 So they're going to be going into our neighborhoods more.

02:01:42.460 --> 02:01:44.600
 So it makes all the sense in the world.

02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:45.600
 And it was granted.

02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:49.920
 I don't know whether it makes more sense to have it on Cedarhurst, so you have more of

02:01:49.920 --> 02:01:54.400
 a flow before it gets to Carnegie Ridge, that if you try to put it at Woodmere, you're shortening

02:01:54.400 --> 02:01:58.120
 the distance of how many cars between, you know, it gets to Crawford.

02:01:58.120 --> 02:01:59.600
 I don't know if that helps.

02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:01.160
 That's not my specialty.

02:02:01.160 --> 02:02:02.160
 But it's been approved.

02:02:02.160 --> 02:02:03.160
 So I'm supportive.

02:02:03.160 --> 02:02:08.040
 All I'm trying to say is that the education piece is what's hurt us a little bit.

02:02:08.040 --> 02:02:11.360
 And that's why we got so many people here, because we didn't know what was already approved,

02:02:11.360 --> 02:02:12.360
 right?

02:02:12.360 --> 02:02:16.920
 So I support, Father, what you're trying to do, but I understand for our neighborhoods

02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:20.520
 of safety and security, everything, there's a lot of education that would need to take

02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:22.880
 place beyond what we're doing right now.

02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:24.880
 But I hope, thanks for listening.

02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:26.760
 Thank you as well.

02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:28.000
 This is a public hearing.

02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:29.620
 I don't have any cards in front of me.

02:02:29.620 --> 02:02:36.760
 But if you would like to speak and have not done so already, please come on down.

02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:37.760
 Good evening.

02:02:37.760 --> 02:02:38.760
 Hi.

02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:43.000
 So first, I live with the gentleman at 6501 Meandering Creek.

02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:44.000
 We've been there.

02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:45.000
 I understand.

02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:46.000
 That is my husband.

02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:47.000
 Yes.

02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:48.000
 We have been there for five years.

02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:49.000
 Yes.

02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:52.180
 That was interesting, the new address that we have.

02:02:52.180 --> 02:02:54.400
 So we live at the corner, right?

02:02:54.400 --> 02:02:59.280
 And it was, you know, I've been listening all evening to what everyone had to say.

02:02:59.280 --> 02:03:01.760
 It is a bit disheartening as a homeowner.

02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:05.020
 The communication hasn't been great.

02:03:05.020 --> 02:03:08.960
 It's disheartening as a homeowner to know that something was approved prior to or even

02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:11.200
 thought of living in this community.

02:03:11.200 --> 02:03:13.400
 It's a wonderful community.

02:03:13.400 --> 02:03:18.600
 We have the advantage, like some others, to be able to look out our dining room window.

02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:20.960
 And we've been watching the church grow today.

02:03:20.960 --> 02:03:23.560
 We were super excited to see the dome go on.

02:03:23.560 --> 02:03:25.280
 So we're super in support.

02:03:25.280 --> 02:03:26.760
 We're Christians.

02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:27.760
 We go to church.

02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:32.680
 All of the things that everyone has said, I don't want to belabor that point.

02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:36.160
 I just think that there's got to be a way.

02:03:36.160 --> 02:03:43.040
 My biggest personal concern is, as we've all determined, Crawford Road is an issue.

02:03:43.040 --> 02:03:44.600
 That stop sign is an issue.

02:03:44.600 --> 02:03:49.920
 I personally, on a quiet day, have almost had an accident with the people flying down

02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:51.280
 Crawford Road.

02:03:51.280 --> 02:03:57.920
 So for me, for my sake, I would love that we could commit to having an officer at the

02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:01.880
 stop sign, because we can't do anything about the fact that there will be a driveway in

02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:02.880
 and out.

02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:03.880
 Right?

02:04:03.880 --> 02:04:04.880
 So there's no argument here.

02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:07.200
 I don't think that we're going to get that change.

02:04:07.200 --> 02:04:13.640
 But how we deal with it now is the most important thing to me as a homeowner, before I put a

02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:17.800
 for sale sign and move to 5779, wherever that is.

02:04:17.800 --> 02:04:22.660
 I would love to see a commitment from the church to help us with our community in terms

02:04:22.660 --> 02:04:30.200
 of getting out at those times that we have the larger mass times, even if it was the

02:04:30.200 --> 02:04:33.120
 morning mass and then in the evening mass.

02:04:33.120 --> 02:04:37.480
 I do know as a person that lives in the community, I'll leave not thinking about the church has

02:04:37.480 --> 02:04:42.200
 let out and then get out on Crawford Road and get stuck trying to go across 377.

02:04:42.200 --> 02:04:45.000
 I'm like, oh gosh, the church let out.

02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:47.400
 And so it's all a lot.

02:04:47.400 --> 02:04:52.240
 So I'm just hoping that as a community, and I wanted it to be on record, if the church

02:04:52.240 --> 02:04:59.840
 can commit to helping us, putting an officer not only at the Crawford exit, but at the

02:04:59.840 --> 02:05:06.000
 Carnegie Ridge exit for the safety of all of us and our children and the community and

02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:10.560
 the parishioners, I personally would be satisfied with that.

02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:16.800
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:17.800
 This is a public hearing.

02:05:17.800 --> 02:05:30.960
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not done so?

02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:31.960
 Hello.

02:05:31.960 --> 02:05:32.960
 Hello.

02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:33.960
 Good evening.

02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:34.960
 My name is Kevin Eming.

02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:39.640
 I'm the applicant that's been working with Julie to get all this information filled out.

02:05:39.640 --> 02:05:45.600
 So I was just talking with Father and he wanted me to come up and share that we will commit

02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:49.960
 to putting that officer out on Crawford Road at the church entrance.

02:05:49.960 --> 02:05:54.300
 So he just wanted to make sure that that was perfectly clear that we will make that commitment

02:05:54.300 --> 02:05:55.300
 today.

02:05:55.300 --> 02:05:59.200
 Thank you for sharing that.

02:05:59.200 --> 02:06:00.920
 Excuse me.

02:06:00.920 --> 02:06:05.840
 And the other thing that Father George wanted me to communicate is on the connection to

02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:12.720
 Carnegie Ridge from our parking lot that Monday through Friday that we will have a gate there

02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:19.560
 so that way people cannot exit out of our property out onto Carnegie Ridge Monday through

02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:20.640
 Friday.

02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:26.080
 So it also benefits St. Mark too because people can't cut through and use that as a cut through

02:06:26.080 --> 02:06:27.080
 pass.

02:06:27.080 --> 02:06:34.160
 So we will commit to that of restricting that exiting off of to Carnegie Ridge Monday through

02:06:34.160 --> 02:06:35.160
 Friday.

02:06:35.160 --> 02:06:42.400
 Thank you very much for conveying that.

02:06:42.400 --> 02:06:56.320
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not done so?

02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:57.320
 Okay seeing none.

02:06:57.320 --> 02:07:03.320
 I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion

02:07:03.320 --> 02:07:04.320
 with the commissioners.

02:07:04.320 --> 02:07:05.320
 Commissioner Smith.

02:07:05.320 --> 02:07:06.320
 Thank you Chair.

02:07:06.320 --> 02:07:11.320
 Julie, can I ask you a quick question and then I will want to talk to the applicant,

02:07:11.320 --> 02:07:15.080
 whoever wants to represent the applicant after this question.

02:07:15.080 --> 02:07:18.280
 You probably can't see it on there but just looking at Google maps and being out there

02:07:18.280 --> 02:07:23.640
 on that site there is a stretch of sidewalk that goes down from near the public pool down

02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:26.920
 to the property line of the church.

02:07:26.920 --> 02:07:33.520
 This PDA has nothing to do with that sidewalk connectivity down to that driveway at this

02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:35.160
 time correct?

02:07:35.160 --> 02:07:36.720
 Correct.

02:07:36.720 --> 02:07:42.000
 They have constructed the sidewalk, I'm sorry the sidewalk on Carnegie Ridge right?

02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:45.320
 Yes, on the on the east side of it though.

02:07:45.320 --> 02:07:48.560
 Yes, they have constructed that sidewalk.

02:07:48.560 --> 02:07:50.160
 They left a gap there.

02:07:50.160 --> 02:07:53.880
 Does it go all the way down to like Cedarhurst or does it go down to Woodmere or where does

02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:55.640
 it go down to?

02:07:55.640 --> 02:07:58.720
 Right now and oh can you see is that?

02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:00.600
 That's what I can see on Google Maps.

02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:05.480
 They left that there with the expectation they would be coming forward with this plan

02:08:05.480 --> 02:08:11.160
 development amendment if it didn't get approved then that would they would have to maybe reconfigure

02:08:11.160 --> 02:08:16.480
 that okay complete that sidewalk and it's not but it's that extension of that sidewalk

02:08:16.480 --> 02:08:23.640
 is not part of the PDA in front of us correct okay would the applicant be amenable to that

02:08:23.640 --> 02:08:29.100
 being a condition made to expand that sidewalk stretched down to that that extension?

02:08:29.100 --> 02:08:34.120
 I would argue that it's already a condition because it was part of the original 2012 approval

02:08:34.120 --> 02:08:37.920
 that we have to provide a 10-foot sidewalk around the perimeter of the church and that's

02:08:37.920 --> 02:08:41.080
 the church property okay so it is it's something we have to do anyway.

02:08:41.080 --> 02:08:44.600
 It's in the 2012 okay that's what I was trying to ask earlier so stay up there real quick.

02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:49.640
 Is that sidewalk just to that that extension or to that that that entrance way or it's

02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:53.600
 to the entrance way wherever it is whether it's at its current alignment on the plan

02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:57.360
 or to the proposed alignment the sidewalk stops there at that entrance or does it go

02:08:57.360 --> 02:08:59.360
 all the way down to Crawford?

02:08:59.360 --> 02:09:00.680
 It goes all the way to Crawford.

02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:08.480
 Okay if I it's it's it's already on the west on the west side correct on the yeah on the

02:09:08.480 --> 02:09:16.040
 west side it's already been constructed except for there's probably a 60-foot Kevin.

02:09:16.040 --> 02:09:22.200
 Could you come up to the mic please yeah just because we're we're on we're on camera thank

02:09:22.200 --> 02:09:29.080
 you so what we've constructed to date is on the east side of Carnegie Ridge starting at

02:09:29.080 --> 02:09:33.680
 Meandering Creek the sidewalk existed about 40 foot down so we started picking up from

02:09:33.680 --> 02:09:40.240
 there report a section we left the gap where this future roadway would connect so we continued

02:09:40.240 --> 02:09:45.720
 that all the way up to Crawford down Crawford and then back John John Payne that's all been

02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:49.880
 constructed within the last eight months that was that was all I was asking I didn't on

02:09:49.880 --> 02:09:53.760
 the Google aerial couldn't see that so what I hear what I hear is on the east side there's

02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:57.560
 a sidewalk there there's a stretch there for an entrance so yeah it's part of the city

02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:02.640
 of Denton's trail and path system we requested that we were required to do a 10-foot wide

02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:06.960
 sidewalk around the entire perimeter of the church okay thank you very much I appreciate

02:10:06.960 --> 02:10:12.920
 it no other questions for me okay anybody else at this time Mr. Olson while you're up

02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:17.760
 there I guess I've got a question for you so I'm assuming you've studied this with your

02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:26.180
 engineers as to you know that drive yeah is there in the 2012 you know it's it's kind

02:10:26.180 --> 02:10:32.960
 of there where it's supposed to be no one really exactly knows but I assume you've studied

02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:37.840
 this site to understand the best flow of traffic not only for your parishioners but obviously

02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:42.900
 taking the neighborhood into consideration as well yeah because I think your traffic

02:10:42.900 --> 02:10:47.800
 engineer kind of alluded to when he gave his testimony that we're concerned about the geometry

02:10:47.800 --> 02:10:53.640
 of the intersection no one wants to have a t inner a t driveway especially when that

02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:59.800
 potentially has high value going mid-block so we'd much rather have it at the intersection

02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:05.680
 to allow free flow of traffic and stuff that that's why that was done and it was moved

02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:13.600
 north just because it allows more internal sacking as I mentioned to to allow us to

02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:20.800
 internalize the stacking on our property instead of trying to do it someplace else okay understood

02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:29.240
 great thank you anything else okay thank you thank you commissioner Smith I'm gonna make

02:11:29.240 --> 02:11:34.200
 a motion before I say so I think that just to say thank you to those that came out and

02:11:34.200 --> 02:11:40.040
 spoke tonight greatly appreciate it I think that it was heard by myself and the commissioners

02:11:40.040 --> 02:11:48.400
 that safety was a key issue that was raised and because of the the right of the already

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:53.080
 billed by right approval of that driveway that's there and the city staff and traffic

02:11:53.080 --> 02:11:57.800
 engineers taking taking obviously safety always into consideration the move to having it a

02:11:57.800 --> 02:12:04.920
 line there at Cedarhurst makes the most amount of sense for safety purposes and so if it's

02:12:04.920 --> 02:12:10.980
 a already can be built there then what's the safest way for it to exist in my mind and

02:12:10.980 --> 02:12:15.400
 to the point of increased seats and that's really what the the three factors of this item

02:12:15.400 --> 02:12:20.440
 in front of us is the realignment of the already approved driveway then the increased seats

02:12:20.440 --> 02:12:25.580
 as well as the increased parking I think that's it's certainly something that could have been

02:12:25.580 --> 02:12:30.600
 envisioned maybe a little bit before but it was 10 11 years ago and you know it's it's

02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:35.600
 hard to make three-year projections in today's climate as it is to make 11-year projections

02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:40.320
 and so and with that being said due to the nature of this being a planned development

02:12:40.320 --> 02:12:47.400
 a PD if this was not a PD and it was just a straight zoning case because of the land

02:12:47.400 --> 02:12:53.400
 use the amount of space that this property takes up now on the piece of property this

02:12:53.400 --> 02:13:00.720
 realignment this this the amount of parking spots and the amount of seats in the building

02:13:00.720 --> 02:13:04.640
 increase wouldn't even be up for consideration and discussion it would have been able to

02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:10.520
 be done without anything in a public forum and so the nature of it being planned development

02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:14.480
 makes it to where we have this which I think is good discussion that we had tonight but

02:13:14.480 --> 02:13:18.820
 I think also leans into the fact that there isn't anything that would restrict it from

02:13:18.820 --> 02:13:23.720
 a DDC requirement standpoint that if this wasn't a PD this property would be able to

02:13:23.720 --> 02:13:30.240
 do this as it is and so and I also like to thank the church for stepping in to take in

02:13:30.240 --> 02:13:36.120
 some encouragement that I was going to give in this conversation here that you know nothing

02:13:36.120 --> 02:13:41.440
 in the purview this commission says hey you know we would like to review this PDA and

02:13:41.440 --> 02:13:47.240
 think that it would be an approval or put it up for approval in a vote but we would

02:13:47.240 --> 02:13:51.920
 make a requirement to have an officer make a requirement to close it for certain days

02:13:51.920 --> 02:13:55.720
 only could encourage and so thank you for stepping up before we even got to that point

02:13:55.720 --> 02:14:00.160
 to say to do it and if you want to look at it one way if you get you know more seats

02:14:00.160 --> 02:14:03.880
 and more parking spots you have more parishioners and more tithing and you can afford your officers

02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:09.560
 so that's that's one way to look at it so what that said again thank you to those from

02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:13.840
 the community that came out I know it's not maybe what you envision when you when you

02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:18.640
 purchased your home and that you were not there whenever this came through and this

02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:23.760
 this PD was originally approved but it does seem like it is the the best case scenario

02:14:23.760 --> 02:14:28.040
 for this to be approved and so therefore I make the motion to approve thank you Commissioner

02:14:28.040 --> 02:14:35.920
 Smith did you want to speak before let's find out what are you seconding okay very good

02:14:35.920 --> 02:14:39.760
 Commissioner Villarreal I wasn't seeing it on there I would like to second and second

02:14:39.760 --> 02:14:43.240
 a lot of the comments made by Vice Chair Smith I really do appreciate the community coming

02:14:43.240 --> 02:14:47.960
 out and having a real positive dialogue you don't always see that so thank you all for

02:14:47.960 --> 02:14:52.840
 coming out and speaking in favor or opposition to this and thank you to the church for you

02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:56.720
 know being proactive and taking some of those considerations you know right here from the

02:14:56.720 --> 02:15:00.880
 dais and taking that to heart we really do appreciate you all being an active member

02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:05.600
 of the community so with that I'm gonna second the approval request thank you we've got a

02:15:05.600 --> 02:15:10.760
 first and a second for approval we'll open for discussion and I know I've got a question

02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:16.920
 for Julie Commissioner if you have a question go ahead okay thank you Julie is there anything

02:15:16.920 --> 02:15:20.280
 that we can do I know you mentioned there's not a whole lot we can do about requiring

02:15:20.280 --> 02:15:24.800
 your officer there's not we can't really do that with this is there anything that we can

02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:34.680
 do about adding the gate issue to this I'm looking to Tina she might be better regarding

02:15:34.680 --> 02:15:41.400
 the gate we could have the applicant modify their plan to reflect gate obviously we want

02:15:41.400 --> 02:15:48.880
 to look at the location to make sure that that it's put in the right place and try not

02:15:48.880 --> 02:15:54.080
 to create any additional issues out onto Carnegie as we've as we've heard this evening you know

02:15:54.080 --> 02:16:01.080
 in terms of the operational aspects we could include language within the plan development

02:16:01.080 --> 02:16:09.080
 district regarding it being closed I'll be honest with you that's not my preferred thing

02:16:09.080 --> 02:16:14.000
 just from because it becomes challenging from an enforcement but I mean technically is it

02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:19.480
 something that we could put in there yes I know we have some older PDs that we have similar

02:16:19.480 --> 02:16:27.560
 type language that might have been added and if the if the church ever wanted to have the

02:16:27.560 --> 02:16:35.880
 ability to have that gate open Monday through Friday when they had a peak time service then

02:16:35.880 --> 02:16:39.240
 technically they would be in violation of their ordinance in order to be able to have

02:16:39.240 --> 02:16:46.000
 that gate open so hence why I would hope that we could rely on the church to be good faith

02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:51.880
 neighbors no pun intended but but good good effort there by the church to respect that

02:16:51.880 --> 02:16:57.600
 commitment without us having to codify language in the PD well I just had to ask because you

02:16:57.600 --> 02:17:02.440
 know we've had discussion before in a myriad of thing over the years that I've been sitting

02:17:02.440 --> 02:17:07.920
 here and and you know if it's not something that we can put down I mean it's something

02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:13.520
 like oh well we discussed that in City Hall but oh it's not written anywhere so it's it

02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:17.960
 doesn't matter if it's done or not done so but I understand what you're saying that there's

02:17:17.960 --> 02:17:23.520
 not necessarily a good way for us to be able to enforce it one of the things we will need

02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:26.840
 to confirm and I don't know Julie if you know this off the top of your head is that a fire

02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:36.320
 lane we double check with fire department because if if that is a fire lane system that is looping

02:17:36.320 --> 02:17:43.920
 through the site then we would need to work with our fire department fire marshal's office

02:17:43.920 --> 02:17:48.320
 in particular regarding how we can allow for that gate there may be some mechanisms that

02:17:48.320 --> 02:17:53.300
 we can be able to work with the church on having installed in the event that they needed

02:17:53.300 --> 02:17:59.920
 to respond to the site and use that but we've worked with developers on other projects and

02:17:59.920 --> 02:18:02.960
 I know there's some mechanisms out there but I think that's something that we could also

02:18:02.960 --> 02:18:08.640
 work with the church on between now and when this request goes to City Council and then

02:18:08.640 --> 02:18:14.760
 another question would be signage you know there's probably no ideal signage though I

02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:19.520
 mean except for sure with those closed streets I think that is absolutely something that

02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:25.320
 needs to be done by a thousand percent whether the church was here or not that's a great

02:18:25.320 --> 02:18:31.960
 idea to have that signage and I guess there's no ideal way to put a sign on the church property

02:18:31.960 --> 02:18:34.600
 because you can't very well say everybody has to turn right because what if they live

02:18:34.600 --> 02:18:39.040
 in the neighborhood they need to go left so I know that's not ideal either so I guess

02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:45.520
 to I guess paraphrase what Commissioner Smith was saying I would encourage you to continue

02:18:45.520 --> 02:18:51.080
 to educate your parishioners on all of the concerns that you heard here tonight which

02:18:51.080 --> 02:18:58.840
 are all valid I don't you know I think this is probably the best case scenario with with

02:18:58.840 --> 02:19:03.240
 what we're dealing with here of course in 2012 nobody knew that all these beautiful

02:19:03.240 --> 02:19:08.880
 homes would be built all around this beautiful church so I think everybody's working the

02:19:08.880 --> 02:19:15.360
 best they can to figure out the best way to be able to control the flow of traffic so

02:19:15.360 --> 02:19:19.320
 it does seem that the city is limited in some of these things that we can at least codify

02:19:19.320 --> 02:19:27.120
 and enforce but I would certainly encourage you to continue remembering this and educating

02:19:27.120 --> 02:19:32.920
 all of your parishioners they are to be respectful of the neighborhood that they're a part of

02:19:32.920 --> 02:19:39.340
 and I know Commissioner Pruitt had some thoughts thank you chair I appreciate the the attention

02:19:39.340 --> 02:19:47.600
 to detail there I and I want to echo the statements of of this being the most agreeable group

02:19:47.600 --> 02:19:53.120
 of concerned people that we've seen here at least in my time on the Commission so thank

02:19:53.120 --> 02:20:01.460
 you and and I really mean that right I understand that we've designed these neighborhoods such

02:20:01.460 --> 02:20:09.320
 that you you have one way out right most of the homes in this community have you know

02:20:09.320 --> 02:20:16.000
 are on a long cul-de-sac they have one road to get out of their neighborhood that that

02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:23.880
 puts people in a position where they feel very vulnerable when there's uncertainty and

02:20:23.880 --> 02:20:31.240
 concern about the convenience but also the safety and the livelihood of of their family

02:20:31.240 --> 02:20:40.300
 I understand that right I I was mentally preparing something that I will not go on at length

02:20:40.300 --> 02:20:45.780
 about if you've seen me before you will be glad but suffice it to say that my my view

02:20:45.780 --> 02:20:53.160
 on that is that we ever since 1938 when the Department of Housing and Urban Development

02:20:53.160 --> 02:21:01.600
 decided to start subsidizing mortgages there was a report that they released that recommended

02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:08.840
 a number of things intended to unify the value and income levels of neighborhoods in order

02:21:08.840 --> 02:21:15.800
 to keep undesirables and people who might be renting out and that eventually led to

02:21:15.800 --> 02:21:21.160
 the subdivision design that we have today where there's a lack of connectivity and a

02:21:21.160 --> 02:21:31.640
 lack of ways that people can get out so I hope we continue a trend toward reversing

02:21:31.640 --> 02:21:36.200
 those wrongs but when we build buildings and we build roads they're here for 40 to 400

02:21:36.200 --> 02:21:45.280
 years and so I'm sorry I wasn't here 15 years ago when this this division got got

02:21:45.280 --> 02:21:57.640
 planted I will say that while while I I understand the the desire to ensure that a gate be present

02:21:57.640 --> 02:22:05.640
 or that it be closed at certain times that is not something I could support being attached

02:22:05.640 --> 02:22:12.160
 to the PDS is I would I would rather see that off we have a wonderful group of people here

02:22:12.160 --> 02:22:20.620
 everybody's on the same page we are here in in some ways because the people who are going

02:22:20.620 --> 02:22:32.200
 to live in these homes 15 years 25 years from now sorry we are here because 10 years ago

02:22:32.200 --> 02:22:36.200
 these people weren't living in these homes and you can imagine a situation similarly

02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:44.240
 in one or two decades from now where the the inclusion or lack of a gate who's to say I

02:22:44.240 --> 02:22:50.220
 am not smart enough to know that a particular schedule for a gate in 15 years is the best

02:22:50.220 --> 02:22:56.280
 thing for the neighborhood and I think just from principles of subsidiarity and and other

02:22:56.280 --> 02:23:02.560
 reasons I prefer that this community to continue working together as well as they have shown

02:23:02.560 --> 02:23:09.480
 that they are so thank you okay that we've got a first and a second for approval I will

02:23:09.480 --> 02:23:14.640
 just thank everyone again for sharing their thoughts and opinions and for coming out and

02:23:14.640 --> 02:23:20.360
 reaching us online and and for the petition and all of that I mean staying involved and

02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:26.900
 having a voice is is absolutely imperative to working together as a community which you

02:23:26.900 --> 02:23:31.560
 are all one community so thank you very much with that we're going to go ahead and take

02:23:31.560 --> 02:23:36.560
 a roll call vote because that's what we've been doing all evening so Commissioner Pruitt

02:23:36.560 --> 02:23:44.480
 I Commissioner Smith I Commissioner Villarreal I and the chair is also an I that will pass

02:23:44.480 --> 02:23:55.320
 for zero and that will move on to City Council for final approval on January 9th it'll be

02:23:55.320 --> 02:24:02.800
 a public hearing in City Council they will have final action on this so thank you very

02:24:02.800 --> 02:24:07.200
 much we do have one more item but I'm going to go ahead and take a recess because I'm

02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:12.120
 sure you all are ready to go home so we're in a recess at 843 and as soon as the room

02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:26.720
 clears we will reconvene good evening and I will call us back to order at eight for not

02:24:26.720 --> 02:24:33.620
 forty eight forty nine p.m. after that short recess appreciate it we've got one item left

02:24:33.620 --> 02:24:38.280
 and it is our planning and zoning Commission matrix and I will give it to Tina sure thing

02:24:38.280 --> 02:24:44.600
 so a couple of items for this evening so in reviewing the matrix I believe we can satisfactorily

02:24:44.600 --> 02:24:49.080
 address the legal opinion regarding the enforceability of the DDC's general and plat specific criteria

02:24:49.080 --> 02:24:57.160
 for approval so we'll take that one off the list and as we so yes we can we can take that

02:24:57.160 --> 02:25:03.760
 one off the list otherwise I believe we refined some of the dates on the matrix which we've

02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:07.160
 been trying to make sure we keep this updated as as we've had to reschedule I think one

02:25:07.160 --> 02:25:12.420
 of the items that may have had a date update was with respect to the land use decisions

02:25:12.420 --> 02:25:16.720
 on debt and sustainability goals on the second item on there so I think that we made an update

02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:23.520
 there otherwise the matrix pretty much remains intact from that perspective so since your

02:25:23.520 --> 02:25:26.520
 last meeting we've had a couple of council meetings so I was just going to go through

02:25:26.520 --> 02:25:30.920
 my past meeting agendas just to let you know the outcome so this was from the Tuesday December

02:25:30.920 --> 02:25:38.600
 5th meeting.

02:25:38.600 --> 02:25:47.000
 So that evening we had so we had the reconsideration request associated with the specific use permit

02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:54.480
 for the multifamily development at the southwest corner of Stewart and loop 28 so that was

02:25:54.480 --> 02:26:03.000
 approved by council with a vote of four to two and so and then we also had a rezoning

02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:08.040
 from a plan development district to suburban quarter district this was the the one acre

02:26:08.040 --> 02:26:13.520
 our one point zero nine acre out parcel if you will in an area that otherwise the rest

02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:19.440
 of the PD had been developed this was Sean's case if you recall and that was they were

02:26:19.440 --> 02:26:25.880
 seeking just a reason that to straight suburban quarter and so that was approved by council

02:26:25.880 --> 02:26:35.200
 also on that same agenda we had a so we had amendments okay this was the privacy I'm sorry

02:26:35.200 --> 02:26:39.320
 like reading through the entire cap so we had the zoning amendment related to the private

02:26:39.320 --> 02:26:47.160
 cemeteries and so that ended up being approved six zero word of note on that one following

02:26:47.160 --> 02:26:52.880
 the planning and zoning commission's agenda I know commissioner LSU were still here but

02:26:52.880 --> 02:27:01.760
 rose lawn cemetery there was representatives there and given their business model in how

02:27:01.760 --> 02:27:05.560
 with their perpetual care cemetery and they had expressed some concern and so we made

02:27:05.560 --> 02:27:11.360
 one one or two refinements to the ordinance to be able to define cemetery elements so

02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:17.280
 that way it allows for existing cemeteries to be able to continue operating consistent

02:27:17.280 --> 02:27:23.400
 with the state statute in terms of cemetery type or cemetery elements that would not trigger

02:27:23.400 --> 02:27:28.680
 the specific use permit so if you recall we were making them conforming by acknowledging

02:27:28.680 --> 02:27:35.360
 their existence and but if they ever wanted to expand it would trigger the specific use

02:27:35.360 --> 02:27:40.320
 permit requirement so there was some concern regarding you know items that are typically

02:27:40.320 --> 02:27:45.520
 customary on cemeteries and being able to provide for those elements without necessarily

02:27:45.520 --> 02:27:50.000
 triggering the specific use permit so we felt like that was a minor change to the ordinance

02:27:50.000 --> 02:27:53.480
 nothing significant that would have required that bring brought back to the planning and

02:27:53.480 --> 02:27:59.360
 zoning commission so but just wanted to share that with you we also had another zoning change

02:27:59.360 --> 02:28:04.280
 request that evening on the agenda to rezone property from general office to a mixed use

02:28:04.280 --> 02:28:10.520
 regional 19 and a half acres of land this is at the northwest corner Spencer and in

02:28:10.520 --> 02:28:15.000
 Bridges Street this was Julie's case this was one that we knew that we would need to

02:28:15.000 --> 02:28:21.800
 come back and do when we did all of the updates earlier this year with our reasonable reasonable

02:28:21.800 --> 02:28:26.920
 combinations group homes community homes at all we knew that we were making this property

02:28:26.920 --> 02:28:31.840
 non-conforming as a result of those changes and so we initiated a zoning change so that

02:28:31.840 --> 02:28:37.840
 we could get them back into a conforming status so that was also approved by City Council

02:28:37.840 --> 02:28:45.720
 in addition so then on the Tuesday December 12th agenda we had one item on that agenda

02:28:45.720 --> 02:28:52.680
 and that I wanted to bring to your attention it is an annexation request for about roughly

02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:59.440
 7.25 acres located about 200 feet north of McKinney Street and about 1,100 feet east

02:28:59.440 --> 02:29:04.880
 of Trinity Road we anticipate we'll be receiving a future zoning case on that so that that

02:29:04.880 --> 02:29:11.640
 annexation was actually complete last night council did approve that and so they are anticipating

02:29:11.640 --> 02:29:15.280
 developing that property for townhomes and we'll need a zoning change in order to be

02:29:15.280 --> 02:29:18.960
 able to establish a permanent zoning classification on that property so I would anticipate that

02:29:18.960 --> 02:29:24.240
 coming forth also on the agenda wanted our last night's agenda just wanted to bring to

02:29:24.240 --> 02:29:30.560
 your attention so in case you were reviewing these in light of changes in the state statute

02:29:30.560 --> 02:29:36.580
 earlier this year coming out the 88th legislative session as you are aware of from past conversations

02:29:36.580 --> 02:29:40.560
 that we've had with legislative updates there was a bill that was passed that allows for

02:29:40.560 --> 02:29:46.480
 property owners within the ETJ to petition to remove themselves within the ETJ and so

02:29:46.480 --> 02:29:52.800
 we had 12 items on council's agenda last night on the consent agenda those items were recommended

02:29:52.800 --> 02:29:58.960
 for denial and council did deny those those requests part of that is due to the city being

02:29:58.960 --> 02:30:07.360
 involved in a lawsuit with other communities so hence our action on that but otherwise

02:30:07.360 --> 02:30:11.740
 that is that takes care of all the action that we've had on council's agenda since we

02:30:11.740 --> 02:30:15.960
 last met so happy to answer any questions you may have great thank you questions or

02:30:15.960 --> 02:30:28.000
 additions to the matrix real quick just if possible could we have the number of times

02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:33.320
 something's already been reconsidered listed for those items of individual consideration

02:30:33.320 --> 02:30:38.160
 for any reconsideration requests coming before us would that be possible sure thing is there

02:30:38.160 --> 02:30:42.040
 a particular time frame that you're wanting me to look back towards like no I mean I mean

02:30:42.040 --> 02:30:47.160
 going forward Oh being advised if something's been approved for reconsideration so that

02:30:47.160 --> 02:30:52.360
 you're aware of right and how many times because I know that the rules been changed and they

02:30:52.360 --> 02:30:55.960
 can apply for reconsideration as many times are you talking about um extension request

02:30:55.960 --> 02:31:03.160
 extension yeah I'm sorry I'm tired yeah that's exactly what I meant I apologize yes extension

02:31:03.160 --> 02:31:06.800
 request so maybe having that part of the backup you mean exactly just saying that this is

02:31:06.800 --> 02:31:11.600
 the second request or the third or what have you right okay yes we can we can include that

02:31:11.600 --> 02:31:16.880
 in the backup apologies for the confusion that's all right uh Commissioner Smith something

02:31:16.880 --> 02:31:24.080
 that was brought up in that last that last the uh the uh public hearing case we had what

02:31:24.080 --> 02:31:30.480
 is our regulation on development uh initiated parks and pools and amenities like that for

02:31:30.480 --> 02:31:35.080
 parking uh I think there was an offhanded comment that just got me thinking about the

02:31:35.080 --> 02:31:40.060
 fact that that park that's there that's in that development that we saw isn't a city

02:31:40.060 --> 02:31:46.520
 of Denton Park um and neither is the pool obviously uh what is our requirements from

02:31:46.520 --> 02:31:53.680
 a development code standpoint for requiring parking for neighborhood amenities and something

02:31:53.680 --> 02:31:58.000
 like this while small and I know it's not big this doesn't have to be a true blue work

02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:01.960
 session piece but do we have something in the development code for parking for neighborhood

02:32:01.960 --> 02:32:06.200
 amenities what is that amount what triggers that that's something that I've never we've

02:32:06.200 --> 02:32:10.140
 never seen never had to see but I could see something like in that neighborhood specifically

02:32:10.140 --> 02:32:13.880
 a park that's along a main thoroughfare one of the two main thoroughfares get in and out

02:32:13.880 --> 02:32:18.840
 of that neighborhood that has no parking therefore it's forcing people to park on a thirty three

02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:25.120
 and a quarter wide street which seems unsafe of us as a city from not having some sort

02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:29.320
 of standard like that in our development code tell you what um since we're not posted for

02:32:29.320 --> 02:32:33.520
 it I'd be more than happy to bring that back and and we could do I mean I think we could

02:32:33.520 --> 02:32:36.440
 do just a quick work session briefing for you that's what we're talking about in the matrix

02:32:36.440 --> 02:32:40.880
 Tina that's right so absolutely but yeah we could bring that back and I think that might

02:32:40.880 --> 02:32:44.560
 be something that we could probably put on your agenda um sooner than later I think that

02:32:44.560 --> 02:32:49.200
 would be a quick education and we can talk about also how we work with the development

02:32:49.200 --> 02:32:55.160
 community on where they cite those um because um as part of our review we try to take that

02:32:55.160 --> 02:32:59.480
 in consideration in influencing that I can't speak to the past but I know we've had some

02:32:59.480 --> 02:33:02.440
 conversations here on some other projects more recently so we can address that as part

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 of that conversation great anything else for the matrix any concluding items okay um well

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 I will just say uh welcome again to Commissioner Thaggard thank you for volunteering your time

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 with us um and I will say happy holidays to everybody because we will not meet again until

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 the new year so hope everyone enjoys everything this season has to offer and with that I thank

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 everyone for their time and we'll adjourn at 8 58 p.m.