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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, December 13, 2023.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5.07 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioners McDade and Cole are absent this evening.

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 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 Anyone here for that?

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 We will move on to clarification of tonight's agenda.

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 First item is minutes for the 15th.

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 Anybody have any issues, questions for that?

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 Our consent agenda, any questions on that?

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 >> Just a minor thing on item D on the consent agenda.

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 >> You were.

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 >> I noticed that there's some illegible wording.

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 >> That was my next thing that I was going to say.

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 I actually saw that earlier and had a discussion.

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 What we're going to do is clarify that verbally that what we are considering there is a final

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 plat not a preliminary plat.

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 Legal is good with verbally doing that.

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 So the motion, if we could have the -- we're approving the consent agenda, clarifying that

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 that item is a final plat.

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 Moving on to items for individual consideration.

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 For A, being a minor plat, they had asked for an extension and staff can do that themselves.

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 So we will not be needing to take any action on that tonight.

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 For B, I will -- is Mia here?

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 I'll let Mia come up and give a little synopsis of that.

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 >> Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, associate planner.

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 This is for B. FP23-0033 is a final plat for Hickory -- where is it?

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 Hickory Grove, phase 1B, formally known as Legends Ranch.

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 This site is located just north of West University and west of Thomas J. Egan Road.

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 At this time, they are not meeting our criteria for approval, so we are recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to the requested extension that could be granted until a date

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 certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 With that, I'll take any questions.

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 Commissioner Villarreal.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Just really quick, are they all first extension requests unless otherwise noted?

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 Oh, you have the next one anyway, but I'll let you stay up there for 4C.

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 This final plat is a final plat for Club Car Wash Denton, located at the southwest corner

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 of the intersection of East University Drive and Mockingbird Lane.

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 Similarly, this project or this final plat is not meeting all of our criteria for approval

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 as provided for you in your backup.

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 So staff is recommending denial.

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 However, we have no objection to their requested extension, which could be granted to a date

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 certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 With that, I'll take any questions.

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 Thank you, Mia.

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 Next we have 4D, FR230016.

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 Erin's making her way up for that one.

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 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Erin Stanley, Assistant Planner.

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 This is a final replat of the Beoway addition for two lots.

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 This is generally located at Beoway and Abram Avenue, generally south of Loop 288.

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 At this time, they are not meeting our criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to

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 the extension, which could be granted to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

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 Okay, next we've got 4E, FP230030, Sean's item today.

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 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission, and we'll make sure we got that one here.

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 Yeah, so this is a requested final plat for the 100-loop North Loop 288 addition, a multiple

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 I did want to address your question earlier.

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 This is a repeated extension request, and it specifically due not to any intransigence

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 had some back and forth about who wants which easement where, so we expect they'll have

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 That's taking some time, but again, they've been more than responsive to our concerns.

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 They're just having to work some things out internally and we're comfortable.

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 We do not object to their request for an additional extension.

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 Last item under individual consideration is 4F, FR230018.

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 Hello, Julie.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

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 This is FR23-0018.

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 You're probably familiar with this project.

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 It is the Agave Ranch project.

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 It is for a little portion of that development.

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 They are proposing to replat an area into residential lots.

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 They do have some items that they need to correct, and so we have no objection to their

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 It should say January 10th, not 9th.

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 It's my night for typos, but so anyway, yes, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 And I think you're staying right up here anyway, because we're going to see if we've got some

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 questions on our public hearing for tonight, 5A, PDA 230001.

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 I'm a member of St. Mark's Parish.

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 Is that the correct one?

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 I've been a 20-year member of the parish, and I'm a patron, so I'm going to step outside.

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 I think we're -- when we are finished, thank you.

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 So this is regarding an amendment to a development plan for Plan Development 174.

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 The property is located on the north side of Crawford between John Payne and 35W, so

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 it's situated on the west side of town, kind of on the southwest side of town, actually.

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 It's right there on the boundary between Denton and the town of Argyle.

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 They are proposing to amend their detail plan that was approved in 2012.

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 The PD was established in 1999, and this is a detail plan that was approved in 2012.

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 They would like to add 400 additional seats to the sanctuary.

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 The original PD contemplated 1,400 seats, so they'd like to move that to 1,800.

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 Add 136 additional parking spaces.

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 The original PD had 380, 2,000-square-foot covered entrances.

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 Those wouldn't increase the size of the air-conditioned part of the building, really just allow people

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 And then realign that west driveway, so really everything you're seeing in purple here.

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 The Denton 2040 plan designates the area as low density.

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 It is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

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 And so staff has analyzed the proposal and determined it complies with the criteria for

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 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 The applicant will also be here with their team tonight to answer any questions as well.

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 Thanks, Julie.

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 Julie, if this was a brand new site, building the church from scratch, would that development

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 Because we're adding a new access piece there, is there any TIA piece that-- if you're creating

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 a new access into on and off, you can't imagine that everyone goes out that one single access.

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 But what's the rules around that for access?

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 So we actually did require a TIA.

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 of the increase in number of seats, we did require a TIA.

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 And so that was reviewed and approved by our engineering staff.

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 A word of caution, that driveway to the west actually was part of that original 2012 approval.

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 What they're proposing is just to shift it actually to the north, about 120, 130 feet,

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 depending on how I measure on any given day.

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 So the original driveway aligned mid-block here, they're proposing to align it with that

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 street so that they have an intersection there.

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 So they did-- engineering did review that TIA.

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 And they do have a couple of suggestions regarding that.

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 One would be a right turn lane here on Crawford to go into that main access point.

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 Crawford's an interesting road in that, as you can see, that this is on the edge of Argyle.

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 So Argyle actually owns the majority of Crawford Road.

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 There is a sliver that's within the city of Denton.

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 I think there's also some slivers that are within the county.

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 meets their standards and make sure that that is something that they would approve.

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 So really, that's what that TIA yielded.

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 Carnegie Ridge would be classified as a collector?

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 It is not.

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 It functions as a collector, and that's something that we talked about with our transportation

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 Gotcha.

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 There's no traffic mitigation that we can do within there.

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 So if you're coming out of there based on that site location, you're going to need to

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 You're not going to want to turn right into the neighborhood.

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 For traffic's sake, you're going to want to go left to get to Crawford.

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 So there's no traffic mitigation we can do on that.

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 Well the applicant will be here along with their engineering group that reviewed it,

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 and they might be able to speak to how the site functions.

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 We anticipate, or the TIA indicates, that the majority going out of that driveway would

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 head to the south toward Crawford Road and then points beyond.

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 So it is anticipated that those who use that driveway, the majority at least, would go

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 Can you point out, I couldn't tell when I was looking at the site map, can you point

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 out other connectivity around the parking lot?

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 So that parking lot that's on the northwest side of that property, there is the speckled

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 That does connect all the way around to the front side, to those parking lots on the south

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 I think this one's a little bit better.

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 So this shows what's kind of constructed out there now.

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 That parking lot was always conceived to be that loop.

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 As they phased their project, it really kind of stops right here and right here right now,

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 but that loop will continue on to the north so that it connects all the way through.

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 Right now, the existing driveways are the one to Meandering Creek to the north, and

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 then to the south to Crawford, and then that third driveway would be in this location.

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 The one that was approved in 2012 would connect here.

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 What they're proposing is to connect to the north.

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 Tina, yes?

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 I know Julie alluded to this just a moment earlier, but this graphic is a great depicter

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 of the streets within the area.

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 So we've talked in the past about how traffic is like water, right?

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 It follows the path of least resistance.

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 So absent the drive connection to Carnegie Ridge, one of our concerns is that patrons

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 leaving the site would, and yeah, Julie, if you can help me out, if they were, they could

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 leave that north entrance that's already existing, and they can take, I believe it's called Meandering

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 So folks that are trying to avoid potentially having to interact with Crawford at their

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 main entrance, especially if they are trying to get back towards the west, towards I-35W,

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 that a path of least resistance is going to be to go to the north, go through the residential

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 street, because it's going to get me back to Carnegie Ridge, right?

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 And then it allows me to go south.

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 So if we're trying to minimize that from incurring, one of our concerns is that would be the unintended

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 consequence of not having the drive connection directly out to Carnegie.

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 That makes sense.

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 Commissioner Smith?

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 I think the other part behind that then, Tina, just to know is that, I mean, if you're turning

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 down Meandering Creek coming down from John Page, you can even say, well, I'm not coming

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 down to Crawford, but if I don't want to interact with traffic going in on that one entrance

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 on Crawford there, that I can go up John Page and then turn down Meandering Creek and go

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 then down the backside of Carnegie Ridge and then get into that back parking lot.

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 That otherwise, you know, there's traffic in and out there in between services.

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 It kind of it does it does create a feels like no matter what we do, which I get it.

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 They need more parking.

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 They got space for parking.

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 It's a church.

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 It's supposed to be a residential.

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 It just makes sense to me.

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 But I feel like there's no real good way to slice the pie without directing traffic through

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 And it gets a little funky.

248
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 So but yeah, I don't feel anything the inside on that other than just like it's it's there.

249
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 So maybe I'm crazy and thinking that someone's got a willing to be go around three sides

250
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 of church to get to the same parking lot.

251
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 I mean, I think it would.

252
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 I think.

253
00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,200
 Sorry.

254
00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,200
 Yeah.

255
00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:03,720
 I think it's probably more of an issue leaving than necessarily coming.

256
00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760
 But it's I absolutely agree with you.

257
00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,760
 It seems a problem.

258
00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:07,760
 Either way.

259
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,080
 Obviously, when this was approved, all of these houses were not here.

260
00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:18,040
 Yeah, so this drive to the west is I mean, it's it's in the plan as we currently know

261
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 it.

262
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 So aligning it.

263
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 So this might show show that and this is my drawing skills.

264
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 So forgive me.

265
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 But this is kind of ghosted in about that location where that existing drive.

266
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 This is what they're proposing now here in purple.

267
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 So we think it's better to align with that street, because why we do have our traffic

268
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 engineer here who could probably also speak to that in a much more technical way.

269
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 In terms of the applicant, what they have expressed is aligning toward the north to

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 add that additional curve for the driveway does give a little more storage on site so

271
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 that more cars could remain on site, 14 cars as opposed to nine cars.

272
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 I would say and Chandra might say, and I correct me, but generally, we like those intersections

273
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 to align it.

274
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 It just reduces those conflict points and makes for a less less complexity in that area.

275
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 I mean, I see that being complex, regardless, at mass.

276
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 You know, I do remember when St. Mark's Church was in my neighborhood and the way that it

277
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 backed up on Pennsylvania Drive, it was significant.

278
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 So and this is a lovely campus, it's a lovely parish, but it is that's going to be a problem.

279
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 And I'm trying to understand if aligning it is actually better or worse for the neighborhood.

280
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 There was some thought, not thought, some questions with regard to citizens who responded

281
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 with regard to another access point onto Crawford.

282
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 Is that a possibility or are we just too close to that roundabout to have that happen?

283
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:28,920
 I mean, did anyone think about that or discuss that?

284
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 I can try to answer, but if once again, jump up.

285
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 I checked with engineering, I believe it meets those minimum separation, but I think the

286
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 concern was that it would not disperse the traffic adequately, that having those three

287
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 driveways in those different directions would disperse the traffic and maybe not put it

288
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 all in one pinch point.

289
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 Do we think I captured it there?

290
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,400
 Okay.

291
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,160
 Tina, did you want to add anything to that?

292
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,160
 No.

293
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,120
 And I was just saying, Shawna gave you a thumbs up.

294
00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,120
 Okay.

295
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,120
 Anybody else?

296
00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,680
 Commissioner Perot, do you have a question?

297
00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,680
 Yeah.

298
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,680
 Thank you, Chair.

299
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,400
 I'll leave my other comments for the public hearing, but just procedurally, since we don't

300
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 have a full compliment, can you remind us what is considered a approval and denial based

301
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 on how that works out?

302
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,160
 Oh, with having four people?

303
00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,160
 Yeah.

304
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,160
 Yeah.

305
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,160
 That's what I'm going to say.

306
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,160
 Okay.

307
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,160
 All right.

308
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,160
 Okay.

309
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,160
 Yeah.

310
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,160
 So, yeah, majority.

311
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,160
 Okay.

312
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,160
 Thank you.

313
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,160
 Yeah.

314
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,160
 Yeah.

315
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,160
 And I guess if it-

316
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,160
 Yeah.

317
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,160
 That's very true.

318
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,160
 And I guess-

319
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,160
 I'm sorry.

320
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:48,000
 And obviously, Ty would put us at the next meeting because we do have two commissioners

321
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 here, because of other issues, they'll be here at the next meeting.

322
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,360
 Any other questions at this time?

323
00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:04,840
 I feel like I had one that I lost that I wanted to ask, and let's see, I asked about Crawford,

324
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,880
 asked about that alignment.

325
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,440
 I guess if I'll just have to ask it at the public meeting.

326
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,440
 Okay.

327
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,440
 That's fine.

328
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,440
 We'll get back to it then.

329
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,440
 Thank you very much, Julie.

330
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,440
 Thank you.

331
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,440
 Appreciate it.

332
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:30,880
 And we're going to ask Commissioner Thager to join us again.

333
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:38,100
 Okay.

334
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:43,960
 It is 5.26 PM, and at this time, the Planning and Zoning Commission will convene in a closed

335
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:55,040
 meeting to deliberate the closed meeting item that is on our agenda, which is IDPZ23-238,

336
00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:02,160
 consultation with attorneys under Texas Government Code Section 551.071.

337
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,420
 We will reconvene in council chambers at 630.

338
00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:07,640
 We will now go into closed session.

339
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,080
 Good evening.

340
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,080
 Thank you for your patience.

341
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:25,880
 The Planning and Zoning Commission has now reconvened from closed session at 639 PM.

342
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,400
 No official action was taken in that closed session.

343
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:36,640
 So I'll welcome you to our regular meeting for Wednesday, December 13th, 2023.

344
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,680
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 639 PM.

345
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,880
 I'll let the record show that Commissioner Cole and Commissioner McDade are absent from

346
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,160
 tonight's meeting.

347
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,640
 And I did want to welcome our new Commissioner Kimberly Thager to the dais.

348
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,320
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

349
00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:04,400
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

350
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:12,680
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

351
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:25,000
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible.

352
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280
 Thank you.

353
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,920
 I just wanted to note that we will be hand voting.

354
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,920
 We've got a little bit of a problem on our screens today.

355
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,320
 So we'll be hand voting by roll call this evening.

356
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:43,760
 First item on our agenda is consider approval of our minutes from the November 15th meeting.

357
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760
 Commissioner Villarreal.

358
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,120
 I move approval.

359
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,120
 Commissioner Smith.

360
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:49,120
 Second.

361
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,120
 Okay.

362
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,840
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

363
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:52,840
 Any discussion?

364
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,840
 Okay.

365
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,840
 Commissioner Pruitt.

366
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,840
 Aye.

367
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,840
 Commissioner Smith.

368
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,840
 Aye.

369
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,840
 Commissioner Villarreal.

370
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,840
 Aye.

371
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080
 Commissioner Thaggard.

372
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,080
 Aye.

373
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,080
 And chair is also an aye.

374
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,600
 That motion carries five zero.

375
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,680
 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening.

376
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,680
 Commissioner Smith.

377
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,440
 Make a motion to approve.

378
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,680
 We talked about clarification at work session.

379
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,680
 That's B, correct?

380
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,680
 It is D.

381
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,680
 Thank you.

382
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,000
 The vote for approval for consent agenda sans agenda item D.

383
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,440
 Well, we're not going to remove it per legal.

384
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,840
 We're just going to clarify the agenda title.

385
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,800
 It's a closed item.

386
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,560
 It is a preliminary plaque, correct?

387
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,560
 Correct.

388
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,560
 It is.

389
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,560
 But it's supposed to be a final plaque.

390
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,560
 It's supposed to be a final plaque.

391
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,560
 You're right.

392
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,560
 Okay.

393
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,560
 We got it, eventually.

394
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,560
 Okay.

395
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,400
 I believe we have a motion for approval of the consent agenda correcting item 3D to read

396
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,520
 that it is a final plaque that we are taking action on.

397
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,520
 Commissioner Villarreal.

398
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,520
 Second.

399
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,520
 Okay.

400
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,840
 We've got a first and a second to approve the consent agenda clarifying item 3D that

401
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,040
 we are voting there on a final plaque.

402
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,040
 Any questions?

403
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,040
 Okay.

404
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,520
 Go ahead and vote.

405
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,520
 Commissioner Pruitt.

406
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,520
 Aye.

407
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,520
 Commissioner Smith.

408
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,520
 Aye.

409
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,520
 Commissioner Villarreal.

410
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,520
 Aye.

411
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,520
 Commissioner Thaggard.

412
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,520
 Aye.

413
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,520
 Chair is also an aye.

414
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,280
 That motion carries five zero.

415
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960
 That will take us to our items for individual consideration.

416
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,800
 First being 4A on the agenda which is MP230023.

417
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:39,000
 That is a minor plaque and the applicant had asked for an extension which staff by our

418
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
 rules can grant.

419
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,780
 So we will not be taking action.

420
00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:45,480
 No action by us is needed on 4A.

421
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:52,760
 So that will move us to 4B which is FP230033 and Mia is here for presentation.

422
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,200
 Good evening.

423
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:03,520
 It doesn't seem there better.

424
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,520
 Test, test, test.

425
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,520
 Yep.

426
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,520
 There we go.

427
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,520
 Thank you.

428
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520
 Okay.

429
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:16,080
 This item FP23-Mia Hines, Associate Planner, this item FP230033 is a final plaque for Hickory

430
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,240
 Grove Phase 1B, formerly known as Legends Ranch.

431
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:28,240
 At this time the site is located just north of University and west of Thomas J. Egan Road.

432
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,440
 At this time it does not meet all of our criteria for approval so staff is recommending denial.

433
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,760
 However, we have no objection to their requested extension which could be granted to a date

434
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,560
 certain of January 10th, 2024.

435
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,660
 With that I will take any questions that you have.

436
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:42,660
 Thank you, Mia.

437
00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:44,680
 Any questions for Mia?

438
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,680
 Okay.

439
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,680
 Thank you.

440
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,680
 Commissioner Smith.

441
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,960
 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain of January 10th, 2024.

442
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960
 Okay.

443
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,960
 Commissioner Pruitt.

444
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,960
 Second.

445
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,240
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

446
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,320
 10th, 2024.

447
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,320
 Any discussion?

448
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,320
 Okay.

449
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,640
 Let's go ahead and vote please.

450
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,640
 Commissioner Pruitt.

451
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,640
 Aye.

452
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,640
 Commissioner Smith.

453
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,640
 Aye.

454
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,640
 Commissioner Villarreal.

455
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,640
 Aye.

456
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,640
 Commissioner Thaggard.

457
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,640
 Aye.

458
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,640
 Chair is also an aye.

459
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,640
 That motion carries 5-0.

460
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,360
 That will take us to 4C FP23-0034.

461
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,360
 Mia is here again for presentation.

462
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,680
 Good evening again, Chair, members of the commission, Mia Hines, Associate Planner.

463
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,280
 This item is the final plat for the Club Car Wash East located at the southwest corner of

464
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,040
 East University Drive and Mockingbird Lane.

465
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,200
 Similarly, at this time the plat does not meet all of staff's criteria for approval

466
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800
 so we are recommending denial.

467
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,940
 However, we have no objection to the requested extension which should be granted to a date

468
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:46,720
 certain of January 10th, 2024.

469
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,200
 With that, I will take any questions or comments that you have.

470
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,200
 Thank you, Mia.

471
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,200
 Questions?

472
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,200
 Okay.

473
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,080
 I do not see any.

474
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,080
 Commissioner Villarreal.

475
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,080
 Move approval of the extension request to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

476
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,080
 Commissioner Smith.

477
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,080
 Second.

478
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,080
 Okay.

479
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,200
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

480
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,360
 10th, 2024.

481
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,360
 Any discussion?

482
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,360
 Okay.

483
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,480
 Let's go ahead and vote by roll call.

484
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

485
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,480
 Aye.

486
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,480
 Commissioner Smith.

487
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,480
 Aye.

488
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,480
 Commissioner Villarreal.

489
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,480
 Aye.

490
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

491
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,480
 Aye.

492
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,480
 Chair is also an aye.

493
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,480
 That will carry 5-0.

494
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,600
 That will take us to 4-D, FR2-30016.

495
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,480
 Erin is here for presentation.

496
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,480
 Yes.

497
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,480
 Hello.

498
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,480
 Hello.

499
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,900
 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission, Erin Stanley, Assistant Planner.

500
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:39,280
 This is FR23-0016.

501
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,040
 This is a final replat of Beale Way addition.

502
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,760
 It's located at Beale Street and Abram Avenue, south of Loop 288.

503
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,360
 At this time, the plat does not meet our conditions for approval, but we have no objection to

504
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:59,040
 the requested extension to the date certain of January 10th, 2024.

505
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,040
 Thank you, Erin.

506
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,040
 Any questions?

507
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,040
 Appreciate it.

508
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040
 Thank you.

509
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,040
 Commissioner Smith.

510
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,600
 Make a motion to approve the extension request to date certain of January 10th, 2024.

511
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,600
 Thank you.

512
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

513
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,600
 Second.

514
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,600
 Okay.

515
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,480
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

516
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,480
 10th, 2024.

517
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,480
 Discussion?

518
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,480
 Okay.

519
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,480
 Let's go ahead and vote.

520
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,480
 Commissioner Pruitt.

521
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,480
 Aye.

522
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,480
 Commissioner Smith.

523
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,480
 Aye.

524
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,480
 Commissioner Villarreal.

525
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,480
 Aye.

526
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,480
 Commissioner Thaggard.

527
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,480
 Aye.

528
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,480
 Chair is also an aye.

529
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,480
 5-0.

530
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,480
 That's how that motion carries.

531
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,840
 That will take us to 4-E, FP2-30030.

532
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,800
 Hello, Sean.

533
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320
 Good evening, Chair.

534
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:46,320
 And members of the Commission, Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner, here to present FR23-0030A,

535
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040
 which is a final plat for the 100 North Loop 288 addition.

536
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,080
 This is a multi-lot commercial addition at the intersection of McKinney and Loop 288.

537
00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,360
 At this time, their plat does not meet all of our requirements for approval.

538
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,440
 Staff is recommending denial, but does not object to their request extension, which could

539
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000
 be to a date certain of January 10th, 2024.

540
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,000
 I can answer any questions.

541
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
 Thank you, Sean.

542
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000
 Questions for Sean?

543
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000
 Okay.

544
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,000
 Thanks.

545
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,640
 Do you have a question for Sean, Commissioner Smith?

546
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,640
 Okay.

547
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,640
 Thank you very much.

548
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,640
 So, Commissioner Smith.

549
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,400
 Make a motion to approve the extension request to date certain of January 10th, 2024.

550
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,400
 Okay.

551
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

552
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,400
 Oh.

553
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,400
 Go ahead.

554
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,400
 Second.

555
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,400
 Okay.

556
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,280
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

557
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,440
 10th, 2024.

558
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,440
 Any discussion?

559
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,440
 Okay.

560
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,440
 Thank you.

561
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,440
 Commissioner Pruitt?

562
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,440
 Aye.

563
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,440
 Commissioner Smith?

564
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,440
 Aye.

565
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,440
 Commissioner Villarreal?

566
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,440
 Aye.

567
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,440
 Commissioner Thaggard?

568
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,440
 Aye.

569
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,440
 Chair is also an aye.

570
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,440
 That motion carries 5-0.

571
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,360
 That will take us to 4-F, FR2-30018.

572
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,800
 Julie is here for presentation.

573
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800
 Hi, Julie.

574
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,800
 Hello.

575
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,640
 Julie Wyatt, principal planner, and this is FR23-0018.

576
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,720
 This is a residential replat for a common area lot in the Agave Ranch subdivision you're

577
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,080
 probably all familiar with.

578
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:15,160
 It is situated on the northeast side of town, just off of Sherman Drive.

579
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,240
 There are some things that they do need to correct in order for it to meet the minimum

580
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,480
 requirements for platting, so staff is recommending denial.

581
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,720
 However, we have no objection to an extension to a date certain of January 10th, and I will

582
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,960
 be happy to answer any questions.

583
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,960
 Thank you, Julie.

584
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,960
 Thank you.

585
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960
 Okay.

586
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,960
 Thank you.

587
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,960
 Appreciate it.

588
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,960
 Thank you.

589
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,960
 I make a motion to approve.

590
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,960
 Commissioner Thaggard, thank you.

591
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,960
 We've got a motion to approve the extension request to a date certain of January 10th,

592
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,960
 2024.

593
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,960
 Commissioner Villarreal?

594
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,960
 Second.

595
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,960
 Okay.

596
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,520
 We've got a first and a second to grant the extension request to a date certain of January

597
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560
 10th, 2024.

598
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,560
 Discussion?

599
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,560
 Okay.

600
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,120
 Let's go ahead and vote.

601
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,120
 Commissioner Pruitt?

602
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,120
 Second.

603
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,120
 Commissioner Smith?

604
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,120
 Aye.

605
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,120
 Commissioner Villarreal?

606
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,120
 Aye.

607
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,120
 Commissioner Thaggard?

608
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,120
 Aye.

609
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,120
 Chair is also an aye.

610
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,000
 That motion carries 5-0.

611
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400
 That will take us to our public hearing item for the evening.

612
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,340
 That is 5A PDA 230001.

613
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:28,560
 Commissioner Thaggard will be recusing herself, so I'll give her a few minutes.

614
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:39,760
 I will go ahead and open the public hearing and invite Julie up for presentation of this

615
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,760
 item.

616
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,760
 Good evening.

617
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,760
 Here we go.

618
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,760
 Good evening.

619
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:58,720
 I'm Julie Wyatt, principal planner, and this is PDA 230001, St. Mark's.

620
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,320
 So a little bit of PD history before we get into the request tonight.

621
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,360
 This is the subject property, which is 28 acres.

622
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:14,600
 It's located on the north side of Crawford Road between John Payne Road and I-35W.

623
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,680
 It's a part of PD 174, and it was established in 1999.

624
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,080
 The original PD intended a school site for this subject property, along with some residential

625
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,080
 lots.

626
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:33,720
 In 2012, the property owner came forward with a PD amendment to approve the current use

627
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:40,120
 on the property, which is that church use, the religious facility use.

628
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,600
 And also as part of that, there was a detail plan approved by council, and that detail

629
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,920
 plan is shown on your screen right here.

630
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,680
 And it included six buildings, and that includes buildings that have already been constructed.

631
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,920
 So we've got the administration building has been constructed, along with the religious

632
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,360
 education building, a maintenance building.

633
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,040
 There are a couple of other buildings that have not been constructed, the rectory on

634
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760
 the west side of the property.

635
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
 There's also a youth building.

636
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,840
 So those are intended to be phased in.

637
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:19,320
 That original plan also included a looped driveway, which is shown in yellow on your

638
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,320
 screen.

639
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,080
 A lot of that has already been constructed.

640
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,640
 There is a little portion that hasn't been constructed on the north side, and that's

641
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,180
 where that hatch mark is.

642
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,600
 There's also some construction going on on the property right now.

643
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,280
 The PD allowed for a sanctuary to be constructed to accommodate 1,400 seats.

644
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,060
 And so that is currently under construction.

645
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:47,760
 As part of that, or in order to serve that, the PD included 380 parking spaces, three

646
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,720
 driveway connections, and also a detention area and some conceptual architecture.

647
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,360
 I've got a picture on your screen that shows kind of what that conceptual architecture

648
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,440
 was intended to look like and how it's been constructed.

649
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,080
 Those three driveways, one was to the south connecting directly to Crawford Road.

650
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:14,000
 There was also a driveway connecting to Meandering Creek to the north, and then finally a driveway

651
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,600
 to the west connecting to a future roadway, which is now Carnegie Ridge.

652
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,160
 Two of those driveways have been constructed, the one to the north and one to the south.

653
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,580
 The one to the west is actually a subject of what we're going to be talking about tonight

654
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:30,360
 that has not been constructed.

655
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,640
 Just to talk a little bit about the area roadways, John Payne is to the east of the subject property.

656
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,760
 That's a secondary arterial.

657
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,520
 That connects to Crawford Road with a roundabout that is actually within the city of Argyle.

658
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:52,280
 And then Crawford Road is also an arterial, generally a secondary arterial within the

659
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,240
 town of Argyle, and that runs along the south of the property.

660
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,660
 So what are they proposing?

661
00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:06,280
 They are proposing to modify that approved development plan to add an additional 1,400

662
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,600
 seats within the sanctuary.

663
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:14,560
 So increasing the number of seats in the sanctuary from 1,400 to 1,800, it wouldn't require that

664
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,600
 the sanctuary be made any larger.

665
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,320
 It really just would be how they would configure the inside.

666
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,880
 To accommodate those additional 4,000 seats, they are proposing 136 additional parking

667
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:32,520
 spaces, 2,000 square foot covered entrances just to cover that drop-off area, and then

668
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,280
 also proposing to realign that west driveway.

669
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,820
 I want to take just a little time to talk about that west driveway.

670
00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:46,200
 So those areas of change are shaded in purple on your screen.

671
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,880
 The original driveway location is ghosted in about here.

672
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,600
 I drew that in, so it's not perfect, but it's generally in that area.

673
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,840
 And that driveway was originally intended to connect to that roadway mid-block between

674
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640
 two residential streets.

675
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,040
 They are proposing to shift that to the north about 120, 130 feet in order to align with

676
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,160
 an existing residential street.

677
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:17,880
 It would allow them to add a little more storage on site to allow more cars queuing from about

678
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,200
 9 to about 14.

679
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,520
 There are impacts that we always look at when we talk about these and when we analyze these

680
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,520
 projects.

681
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,000
 So first of all, in looking at what they're proposing, it wouldn't introduce any new uses

682
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
 on the site.

683
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,640
 It would just be a continuation of that existing use, and it would not increase that square

684
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,760
 footage of that sanctuary.

685
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,920
 It would increase the on-site parking intended to minimize overflow in the neighborhood,

686
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,840
 so that they can accommodate those cars on their site.

687
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,800
 But we do understand that with those increased seats that there are traffic impacts.

688
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,980
 So they were required to submit a traffic impact analysis.

689
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:05,520
 It has been reviewed by city staff, our engineering and transportation folks.

690
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,080
 I'm going to do my best to explain this, but I am not an expert in transportation.

691
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,880
 So we do have some members of our transportation team here if there's any really technical

692
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,260
 questions.

693
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:22,940
 So in looking at the traffic impact analysis, their use is a little different.

694
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:27,600
 We're usually looking at peak impacts Monday through Friday, that morning hour and that

695
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,120
 evening hour.

696
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:35,220
 But because of the way their use functions, really their peak time is Sundays.

697
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:42,440
 And so their TIA not only included just those weekday peak trips and 24-hour trips, it also

698
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
 included Sundays.

699
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:52,240
 And so what you've got on your screen is a quick table looking at what the trips that

700
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,080
 would be generated with the approved 1,400 seats versus the requested -- and then adding

701
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,140
 those requested 400 seats.

702
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:06,560
 So under the approved plan, it would generate on Sundays about 3,000 trips.

703
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:13,040
 The additional 400 seats would generate about 884 trips, and that's on Sunday.

704
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:21,240
 Weekday is quite a bit less with 1,200 for the 1,400 -- 1,200 trips for the 1,400 seats

705
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:26,060
 and then 360 for the 400 seats.

706
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:30,200
 As I mentioned, Crawford Road is primarily within the town of Argyle.

707
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,920
 I believe there are some slivers that are within the city of Denton.

708
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,360
 But it's primarily operated, maintained, and owned by Argyle.

709
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,000
 It was reconstructed in 2021 and currently has those two travel lanes, both east and

710
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,000
 west.

711
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,480
 They also have left-turn lanes at intersections, and there's a left-turn lane at the subject

712
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,160
 property entrance as well as on Carnegie Ridge.

713
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,480
 Currently the TIA estimates that there are about 5,600 trips, probably closer to 6,000

714
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,920
 -- or 5,700 trips on Crawford Road now.

715
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600
 But it isn't expected to increase.

716
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:14,200
 There's a lot of growth in this area, a lot of development, not only within the PD and

717
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,200
 the residential growth with that to the north, but also to the west across 35.

718
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,880
 So there are -- those trips are expected to increase.

719
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:33,240
 So based upon those impacts, those Sunday morning impacts, there were some TIA recommendations.

720
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,240
 Before I talk about those, I want to talk quickly about the level of service.

721
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:44,760
 So as I mentioned, there's those three driveways, and those kind of all lead toward Crawford,

722
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,760
 right?

723
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,080
 They all go south.

724
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:53,840
 So we've got Meandering Creek, which goes out to John Payne and then intersects with

725
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,800
 the roundabout.

726
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:03,840
 We have the church, the main driveway, and then we have the Carnegie Ridge intersection.

727
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,520
 So they did an analysis not only of what's existing, but also what is projected out.

728
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,160
 And when they project it out to 2029, and that's that current background traffic with

729
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,360
 the growth and with the additional seating in the church, they do anticipate that on

730
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:26,280
 Sunday mornings, that Carnegie Ridge connection to Crawford would be a level of service of

731
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:32,040
 C, and that's about a 15 to 25 second delay at that intersection.

732
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:40,520
 That main driveway would be a level of service F, and that's about a 56 to 128 second delay.

733
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,600
 And then a level at that roundabout as well.

734
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,600
 So in order to accommodate the traffic and mitigate those impacts, the TIA does recommend

735
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:58,280
 a westbound right turn lane on Crawford Road, so kind of in this area right here, to allow

736
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,320
 cars to get out of the flow of traffic and make that right-hand turn in the development.

737
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,400
 They also propose an off-duty law enforcement officer to direct that traffic.

738
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,900
 It is a recommendation.

739
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:14,080
 That turn lane, because that property, that road is in Argyle, that's something that they

740
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,880
 would have to coordinate with Argyle.

741
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,840
 Of course, we would be in the mix.

742
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,920
 We want to make sure that we're all coordinating, but that would have to be designed and approved

743
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,240
 through Argyle.

744
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,240
 And then that off-duty enforcement officer, that would be something that would be a little

745
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,240
 bit challenging to enforce as part of zoning, because zoning, we often think about what's

746
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:33,640
 physically on the site.

747
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,640
 It's more of an operational characteristic, but it is something that the TIA does recommend.

748
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,000
 Public outreach westbound.

749
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,720
 I know you got, I believe, an email from me today.

750
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:50,040
 We thus far have received 20 letters in opposition.

751
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:56,600
 Six of those are within 200 feet of the request, and that's where that supermajority requirement

752
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,640
 could kick in.

753
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:04,880
 Right now, it's at about 1.66%, getting close to 2%.

754
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,060
 We've received three letters in favor.

755
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:09,240
 This one is a little different.

756
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,860
 This is my first case that's had an online petition.

757
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:18,760
 So we did hear from the community that there was a change.org petition that was launched

758
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:25,360
 about a week ago, I think, a couple weeks ago, and they do have 137 signatures on that.

759
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,140
 So I just wanted to let you all know that.

760
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:28,880
 It's also in your backup as well.

761
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,080
 The applicant had two neighborhood meetings.

762
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,520
 They had one in January, nobody attended.

763
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,080
 They did have one on Monday that I believe about 11 members of the community came.

764
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,800
 They did, their primary concerns were that driveway connection to Carnegie Ridge and

765
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,720
 just traffic overall.

766
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:51,100
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff does recommend approval of the request.

767
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,640
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

768
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,160
 The applicant is also here.

769
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,560
 I don't believe they have a presentation, but they'd like to come up and just speak

770
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,560
 briefly.

771
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,680
 >> Any questions right now for Julie?

772
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,680
 Commissioner Smith?

773
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,680
 >> Thank you, Chair.

774
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,760
 Julie, just to make sure I'm clear, the existing PD that was approved in 2012 has that driveway

775
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,680
 on the west that we've already seen that has a capacity of about nine cars.

776
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:20,320
 So technically you could say that right now the applicant could build by right that driveway

777
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,520
 there right now with no changes whatsoever to the PDA, with no approval of this PDA,

778
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,520
 for example.

779
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,520
 >> Correct.

780
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,520
 >> So okay, understood.

781
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,520
 Thank you.

782
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,520
 >> Sure.

783
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,520
 Commissioner Pruitt?

784
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,520
 >> Thank you, Chair.

785
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:41,440
 Just about that drive, can you clarify for us in our current code, right, for a non-PD

786
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:49,080
 application, don't we require those drives to align with adjacent intersections, is that

787
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,080
 correct?

788
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,440
 >> I'm going to ask transportation to come up and answer that for me.

789
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,440
 You got too technical for me.

790
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,440
 >> Sorry.

791
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:07,000
 >> Good evening, Chair and commissioners, Chandra Muruganandam, traffic engineer.

792
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,040
 >> Did you hear the question?

793
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,040
 >> Yes.

794
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,040
 >> Okay.

795
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:18,160
 >> For connectivity and safe operations, it is suggested and encouraged to have connectivity

796
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,880
 with the existing intersection rather than adding another leg, where the drivers encounter

797
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:32,000
 the driver expectancy is to have a four-legged intersection, having multiple three-legged

798
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:38,240
 or multiple connections would cause driver confusion, so it is to have minimal connections.

799
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:43,920
 So it is recommended, but it's not uncommon to have separate intersections.

800
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,920
 >> Okay.

801
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:45,920
 Thank you.

802
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,920
 >> Sure.

803
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,920
 >> Thank you.

804
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,920
 >> Thank you.

805
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,800
 >> Any other questions at this time for Julie?

806
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,800
 Okay.

807
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,800
 Thank you.

808
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,800
 >> Thank you.

809
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,800
 So this is a public hearing.

810
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,640
 I do have several cards in front of me.

811
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,960
 The first being from the applicant, Rich Olson.

812
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,360
 Hello, there.

813
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,680
 >> Hello, there.

814
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,760
 Members of the Planning Commission, my name is Richard Olson.

815
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,600
 I live at 10412 Cascade here in the City of Denton.

816
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,240
 I'm a member of St. Mark's Building Committee, and I'm here to represent the applicant on

817
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,880
 this particular matter before you.

818
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,640
 This project has been a team effort.

819
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,400
 I may be the mouthpiece of the organization, but we do have individuals in the crowd that

820
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,560
 can answer any of your technical questions.

821
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,080
 We do have our traffic engineer, Jason Williamson and Justin Wells from Donoway.

822
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,520
 We do have our architect and civil engineer, Darryl Vickers.

823
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,720
 We have Kevin Imming, who is with LEMBREC, our construction manager, and most importantly,

824
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:54,920
 we do have our director of construction facilities for the Diocese of Fort Worth and Tom Ross.

825
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:01,040
 The City of Denton staff has provided the Planning Commission a very detailed report

826
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:09,560
 concerning what is occurring there, and St. Mark's would like to concur with that recommendation.

827
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,440
 We are asking for a favorable recommendation to the City Council.

828
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,240
 The major amendments, as Julie has already mentioned, included 400 additional seats.

829
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:26,500
 The reason for the additional seats is our church is a growing church, and unfortunately,

830
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,600
 we don't have a lot of priests around, so we have to stack them all in one area for

831
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,600
 that reason.

832
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:38,880
 139, 136 additional parking spots really is for the additional 400 seats.

833
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,120
 The 2000 square foot portables that will be built sometime in the future, right now, we

834
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,800
 really can't afford to put those in right now, but they are planned for in the future.

835
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:54,400
 And of course, the realignment of the entrance on to Carnegie Ridge allows us to stack traffic

836
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,260
 internally, plus your traffic engineer basically just alluded to the geometry of the intersections

837
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:06,800
 a lot better if you do not have a mid-block intersection and stuff.

838
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,840
 Julie had mentioned we had two outreach meetings, one in January and one on December 11th.

839
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,840
 We did have roughly 11, 12 people from the neighborhood.

840
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,160
 We understand and we appreciate the neighborhood's concerns on this particular matter.

841
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,160
 We have developed an internal traffic plan, but if you have ever been involved in one

842
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,720
 of those, until you actually build it, you have to tweak it, you know, looking at different

843
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,720
 entrance way, how you should send some traffic and how you should send other traffic.

844
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,200
 We are committed to having off-duty police officers there, especially at Crawford Road.

845
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,840
 Maybe even that Carnegie Ridge, that's something that will have to be evaluated in the near

846
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,720
 future.

847
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,440
 But we're asking for your support on this particular project and I'll be happy to answer

848
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600
 any questions if it's appropriate at this time.

849
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,600
 Appreciate that.

850
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,880
 Thank you very much.

851
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,880
 Any questions right now?

852
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,800
 Do you know if currently there's an officer that is used?

853
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,400
 No, we do not presently use an officer.

854
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,840
 Right now we have a number of different masses, and let me just give you the existing accounts.

855
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,280
 At our 5 o'clock Saturday mass, we have 400 people attend.

856
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,200
 We have a 7 o'clock, we have about 200, that's our Hispanic mass.

857
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:28,600
 We have a 7 a.m. meeting Sunday, we have about 200, 930 and excuse me, 9, 11, 30 are our

858
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,000
 major masses, that's because that's where most of our youth are involved.

859
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,080
 And they have about 600 to 650 people attend those.

860
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,760
 Then we have a 2 o'clock mass that has about 200 people.

861
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,860
 Then we have our life team mass at four, which has about 400 to 500 people.

862
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:55,620
 So we have done, we have a lot of masses for our church to help spread the traffic out.

863
00:47:55,620 --> 00:48:02,240
 So earlier you said that you'd be open to having an officer, but what would trigger

864
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,620
 that in your opinion?

865
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:08,460
 Our parishioners will get upset if they have to wait too long at Crawford and they'll let

866
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:09,460
 you know.

867
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:10,460
 I see.

868
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:14,020
 Yeah, it's just one of those issues.

869
00:48:14,020 --> 00:48:19,040
 As with most churches, people gradually come, but they all want to leave at the same time.

870
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,720
 So that's the issue is more when they leave the church, not when they come to the church.

871
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,160
 And that's when that officer most likely would have been on duty.

872
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:34,440
 We do have a little jurisdictional issue because the road is technically owned by Argyle/City

873
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,440
 of Denton.

874
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,300
 Right now there's some paperwork that needs to be done on that.

875
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:46,040
 But we realize that most likely we do not want to hinder our parishioners and we would

876
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,920
 like to get them out of the church as quickly as possible.

877
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,920
 Gotcha.

878
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,920
 Understood.

879
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,760
 Any other questions of the applicant at this time?

880
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,760
 Okay.

881
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,760
 We may call you back up.

882
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,760
 Thank you.

883
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,760
 Thank you very much.

884
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,400
 I do have a card from Mr. Ross.

885
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,920
 Did you want to speak?

886
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,920
 No.

887
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,920
 With him I'm the director of construction facilities for the diocese.

888
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,920
 Okay.

889
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:17,320
 He does not wish to speak, but obviously is in favor of the request.

890
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:26,480
 And the next card I have is from Father George.

891
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,440
 Father George is in support.

892
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,880
 Does not wish to speak.

893
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,880
 Okay.

894
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,480
 The next card I have is -- don't know if I'll get this last name right.

895
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,560
 It's Joseph.

896
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,120
 It starts with a D, I think.

897
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,840
 I'm having a little hard time reading it.

898
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,680
 Yeah, I'm sorry.

899
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,840
 Come on up and state your name correctly in your time.

900
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,160
 My name is Joe Dracobly and I live on Cedars Court and I'm also a parishioner of St. Mark.

901
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,900
 I would like to thank the Planning and Zoning Commission for their work in evaluating this

902
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,120
 amendment and the opportunity for public comment.

903
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,880
 I would also like to thank all of my neighbors, especially those who are here tonight, for

904
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,240
 their thoughtful consideration of the amendment and their comments about the amendment.

905
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,920
 Although I share my neighbor's concern for the safety of everyone in the neighborhood,

906
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,600
 as noted in the exceptional report from the city staff, the amendment represents a substantial

907
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,000
 reduction in risk and increase in safety for the neighborhood.

908
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,960
 Additionally, Father George and the St. Mark Building Committee have sought to address

909
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,740
 any and all concerns brought to their attention, and for these reasons, I fully and strongly

910
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:38,680
 support the amendment.

911
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,480
 St. Mark is an important part of the community and has opened up their facilities to the

912
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,320
 neighborhood, including for conducting HOA meetings and inviting residents to parish

913
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,560
 events.

914
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,480
 I think the staff report very nicely represents how the repositioned driveway and increased

915
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,200
 parking are, for a variety of reasons, of benefit to the neighborhood and help reduce

916
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,800
 neighborhood impact of the increased attendance at St. Mark's.

917
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,400
 I would like to briefly highlight three important additional considerations.

918
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,800
 First, the addition of seats within the new sanctuary and the covered entrances have benefits

919
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,280
 with no discernible impact on the safety of the neighborhood.

920
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,760
 The increased seating allows a greater number of parishioners to worship together in the

921
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,280
 same building rather than being seated in multiple buildings.

922
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,880
 Second, the interways further enhance the aesthetics of St. Mark.

923
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,080
 They continue the attractive, unified look of St. Mark, which positively supports the

924
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,520
 property values of homes in the neighborhood.

925
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,560
 Second, the movement of the third driveway to intersect with Cedarhurst Court reduces

926
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,600
 the impact on residents of the neighborhood.

927
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,400
 No houses currently face Carnegie Ridge and no cars regularly park on Carnegie Ridge.

928
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,600
 When walking on the Carnegie Ridge sidewalks, the two streets on which one must look both

929
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,800
 ways, Meandering Creek and, should the amendment be approved, Cedarhurst Court, would be close

930
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,940
 together and furthest from the park, reducing the conflict point and allowing for more vehicles

931
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:03,240
 in the driveway, further reducing impact on the neighborhood.

932
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:07,280
 Additionally, this driveway will keep more cars off Meandering Creek, the neighborhood

933
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,320
 street with dozens of houses that face the street.

934
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,320
 On bike rides with my children and neighbors in the community, I regularly see children

935
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,960
 playing on Meandering Creek, something I have not observed on Carnegie Ridge.

936
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,680
 Even for brief periods around masses and events at St. Mark, the addition of cars on Meandering

937
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,580
 Creek would present substantially more risk than those same vehicles on Carnegie Ridge.

938
00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:33,600
 The slow moving vehicles exiting St. Mark would be clearly visible to people going to

939
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,560
 and from the park and adding the driveway at Cedarhurst Court places that driveway at

940
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,640
 the furthest possible street from the park.

941
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,240
 Third and perhaps most importantly, St. Mark is a growing and there will be more vehicles

942
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,920
 regardless of the decision on the amendment.

943
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,060
 By expanding the parking lot, more vehicles will be able to remain in the St. Mark property

944
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:54,440
 rather than parking in the neighborhood streets.

945
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,680
 This has two benefits.

946
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,960
 First, the expanded parking better ensures vehicles do not disrupt neighborhood activities

947
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:04,720
 such as children playing in the street, something that I truly find joy in seeing.

948
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,240
 Second, by having vehicles in St. Mark's property, safety is enhanced because there

949
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,040
 are fewer cars parked on the street that could unexpectedly begin moving and catch a pedestrian

950
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,200
 off guard.

951
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,920
 Additionally, the fewer vehicles on the street reduces the risk of accidents, both from people

952
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,360
 pulling out or from cars traveling as they navigate a street with reduced width from

953
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,680
 parked vehicles.

954
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,000
 Again, I'd like to thank the commission for the opportunity to speak and commend the staff

955
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,800
 of the city for their exceptionally well-conducted study and clear and concise reports, and again

956
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,000
 voice my strong support for the amendment.

957
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,000
 Thank you for your time.

958
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000
 Thank you.

959
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,000
 Any questions at this time?

960
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,280
 I'm going to ask you a quick question.

961
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,880
 Do you walk to church when you go?

962
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,560
 At this point I don't currently because there's no way to enter the church.

963
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,160
 I would be walking to church when the new driveway opens.

964
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,360
 So run me through.

965
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,360
 I don't know what mass you go to.

966
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,880
 Is it one of the high times on Sundays?

967
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,360
 Typically we go to nine or 11.

968
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,360
 Okay.

969
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,720
 So one of the most visited masses.

970
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,800
 So how is it to get back to your house?

971
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:15,280
 Right now, we typically go down Meandering Creek because that's the easiest access back

972
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,520
 to Cedarhurst Court rather than going out the main entrance.

973
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,360
 With the driveway, we would go in and out of that driveway most of the time except for

974
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,360
 when it's very cold.

975
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,520
 We go in the northwest so we don't mind the cold as much.

976
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,200
 Most likely walk down and go into the driveway and if we drove we would drive into that driveway

977
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,840
 directly from Cedarhurst Court crossing over Carnegie Ridge and into St. Mark's property.

978
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,840
 Thank you for sharing that.

979
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,840
 I appreciate it.

980
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,840
 Thank you for the time.

981
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,280
 Thank you.

982
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920
 Next card I have is Clyde Cotton.

983
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:55,840
 Could you display the slide that shows the public outreach?

984
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,520
 If you will state your name and address and your time will begin then.

985
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,520
 Yes.

986
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,320
 My name is Clyde Cotton and I'm a resident on Woodmere Court.

987
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,400
 That would be the street right here.

988
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:22,280
 The first thing, two things, the red boundary suggests only the people that their vote counts

989
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:29,240
 with respect to requiring the three-fourths super majority vote.

990
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:34,880
 When you look at this, all of those people on Meandering Creek will likely not be affected

991
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,120
 by any of the traffic on Carnegie Ridge much.

992
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:49,160
 Most of those people that enter the Carnegie Ridge new driveway, well, a lot of them will

993
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,280
 go north, or I'm sorry south, that would be toward Crawford Road.

994
00:55:54,280 --> 00:56:01,080
 So the Meandering Creek people, I doubt if any of them voted, only the people, there's

995
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:07,200
 about two or three houses on each of these cul-de-sac streets, Woodmere, Cedarhurst,

996
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,840
 and this first one up here, there's only two or three houses on each of those that get

997
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,820
 to vote in that.

998
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:19,440
 That's not quite right because all of these people that live up in this area right here

999
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,640
 are going to have to use Carnegie Ridge.

1000
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:29,960
 So they need to at least have a public voice in that.

1001
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:30,960
 I can't vote.

1002
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,020
 I'm about where that red house is right here.

1003
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:35,480
 That's about where I live.

1004
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:41,160
 So I'm probably within the 500 feet boundary, but not the 200 foot.

1005
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,520
 So my vote doesn't count.

1006
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,240
 Then the second thing, that's all on that.

1007
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:51,080
 A lot of the questions that I had weren't answered by Julie, thank you, and the other

1008
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:57,360
 people that spoke, but this Carnegie Ridge right here at Carnegie Ridge and Crawford

1009
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,120
 Road is already a dangerous intersection, and I'll tell you why.

1010
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:09,720
 There's a hill right here, it peaks about right here where I'm pointing, Woodmere.

1011
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:18,360
 That's about 500 or 600 feet, 600 feet maybe down from Carnegie Ridge, and if you are coming

1012
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:25,340
 down Carnegie Ridge and you want to go east on Crawford, you have almost, well, you do

1013
00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:29,560
 have some visibility with respect to the top of that hill, but if there's a car coming

1014
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,760
 over that hill fast, it's dangerous.

1015
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,440
 It already is, and it's going to be more dangerous because there's most of the people coming

1016
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,680
 out of Carnegie Ridge, and I think some of the research showed they're going to want

1017
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:54,040
 to go east here on Crawford, and that means they've got to cross the westbound traffic.

1018
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,240
 I don't know what the solution is, but it needs to be mitigated some way because there's

1019
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,340
 going to be an accident there eventually.

1020
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:05,960
 I wouldn't say almost had an accident, but it scares me to death to go through that because

1021
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,600
 during prime time when there's a lot of cars coming over that hill, you don't know how

1022
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:18,680
 fast they're coming, and if you're not pretty quick, you may have an issue.

1023
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,400
 I believe that's all I have to say.

1024
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:28,360
 We're talking about putting an officer here at Crawford and the south entrance to the

1025
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,360
 church.

1026
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,280
 There may have to be another one down here.

1027
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:38,120
 There's a problem there, a warning light at the top of the hill or something to help control

1028
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,760
 that traffic flow there because it is dangerous.

1029
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,280
 I use it every day, and it worries me.

1030
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,460
 It just so happens I have a standard shift car, and that makes it even doubly worse trying

1031
00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:53,280
 to get through that intersection, and thank you for hearing me.

1032
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,280
 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1033
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,280
 We appreciate it.

1034
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,280
 Next card I have is Brian Rush.

1035
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,280
 Good evening.

1036
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,280
 - Thank you.

1037
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:17,900
 Planning and zoning commission, thanks for allowing me to speak on the matter.

1038
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,800
 I live in the neighborhood at 6309 Meandering Creek Drive.

1039
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,560
 I am a parishioner of the church.

1040
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:32,720
 I don't have any second thoughts about anything that's being proposed by the church, as I

1041
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:39,920
 think they've worked well with the community, have been a positive impact on our neighborhood.

1042
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:48,920
 I was very impressed that our neighborhood reacted and created a petition with an extreme

1043
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:56,420
 amount of people who signed, but I think that boils down to the fact that people moved in.

1044
00:59:56,420 --> 01:00:03,760
 The PD was already accepted before the neighborhood was even thought about, so we've been watching

1045
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,960
 the construction going on, and basically the letter that came out from the city, and I

1046
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:16,740
 paraphrase says that the bishop has requested to increase seating, parking, and to modify

1047
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:23,980
 access, where that's a little bit distressing to someone who would read this, because they

1048
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:32,880
 didn't know that per the PD, access was granted to Carnegie Ridge, so I think that's the reason

1049
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,960
 we have such a number of people who are against the proposal.

1050
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,960
 Thank you so much.

1051
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,960
 >> Thank you.

1052
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,960
 Can I ask you a quick question?

1053
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:41,960
 >> Sure.

1054
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,360
 >> So do you think that people were confused at what the request was?

1055
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,360
 Is that what you mean?

1056
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:53,120
 >> Well, no, I'm just thinking that the letter should have stated what had already prior

1057
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,120
 been approved.

1058
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,120
 >> I see.

1059
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,380
 >> Because when you read the letter, you're thinking, oh, they're wanting to put access

1060
01:00:59,380 --> 01:01:05,080
 to Carnegie Ridge, not knowing that it had actually already been approved.

1061
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,080
 >> Yeah.

1062
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,080
 Very good.

1063
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,080
 >> Thank you.

1064
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,080
 >> Thank you.

1065
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:14,240
 Next card I have is a Diane Priest.

1066
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:23,160
 Hello, if you'll give your name and address, your time will begin.

1067
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,160
 >> My name is Diane Priest.

1068
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:32,960
 I'm at 6505 Ridge Lea Court, so I'm the very first -- I'm right here and I'm on the second

1069
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:39,360
 house, and I am for the church plan.

1070
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,080
 St. Mark is my parish.

1071
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,000
 That's actually why I bought there.

1072
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:49,960
 I knew the church was expanding, I was told, when we purchased the home, and that's the

1073
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,560
 very reason why we're there.

1074
01:01:54,560 --> 01:02:01,280
 I was on the fence, actually, until I went to the meeting on the 11th.

1075
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:10,840
 I heard lots of pros and cons on our Facebook page, was well aware of the petition, wasn't

1076
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,380
 something I wanted to sign because I didn't have all the information yet.

1077
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:20,200
 And then going to the meeting, it was very well done.

1078
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,480
 It was explained that, yes, in 2012 it was already voted on way before our homes even

1079
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,280
 existed or were even a thought.

1080
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:38,080
 And the only thing that was changing was we're adding a few more parking and relocating for

1081
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:44,560
 the benefit of traffic and the community.

1082
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,560
 I don't think anybody wants traffic in their neighborhood.

1083
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,160
 But we bought a cross from a church, so that was inevitable.

1084
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,760
 My backyard is Crawford Road.

1085
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:03,160
 I am very impacted by the last four years, all the added traffic from the community.

1086
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,360
 But that's progress, nothing I can do.

1087
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:12,680
 I was impacted by the expansion and redevelopment of that road, nothing I could do.

1088
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:20,840
 We took eight trees behind my home, and I realized that's progress.

1089
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:35,400
 I think what really helped me make my decision was knowing that in the future we are having

1090
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,640
 this growth period.

1091
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:48,080
 Our church will grow, the community will grow, and what concerns me is parking on that street.

1092
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:54,720
 If we don't have the parking in the parking lot, it'll be on Meandering Creek here, it'll

1093
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,980
 be on Carnegie Ridge, and it could even be up our cul-de-sac.

1094
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:07,100
 Right now, that little park, we have people who come and will park on the street.

1095
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:14,320
 So I can just imagine once we grow and we don't have room for parking in here, it will

1096
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,360
 overflow up our street and down the street.

1097
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:27,540
 I'm not concerned with a lot of talk about it impacting children.

1098
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:31,560
 I see children with their parents when they're on bikes.

1099
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:36,540
 This park is not used very often, and certainly on Sundays.

1100
01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:38,480
 It's very quiet.

1101
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:46,760
 So from my house here, I see all of this, and so I'm just sharing that I don't see

1102
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,680
 an impact of a lot of children.

1103
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,120
 Of course, I care about children.

1104
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:58,960
 No one wants to see anyone hurt, but I don't think they're running around wild anywhere,

1105
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:11,960
 as we're talking a couple of masses with maybe a 15-minute period with controlled professionals

1106
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,320
 taking care of that.

1107
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:20,040
 So with that, that really helped me make my decision that I think it feels safe.

1108
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:29,880
 I think it's a great projection for the future, for safety, and thank you for listening.

1109
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,880
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1110
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:38,560
 Next card I have is Greg Mundy.

1111
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:39,560
 Somehow you knew that.

1112
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:40,560
 That's great.

1113
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,560
 Before I even called your name.

1114
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,560
 I'm Greg Mundy.

1115
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:50,480
 I live at 6517 Noname Street, which is Ridgely Court, and we're at the top of the hill there.

1116
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,760
 And I really wasn't going to say anything until I listened to some of this, but the

1117
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:01,600
 access to get from Carnegie Ridge into the church, we now have to go down to Meandering

1118
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,320
 Creek, drive down, and we come around in the back side.

1119
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,000
 We don't go out on Crawford Road, so we're going all the way around.

1120
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,480
 And so, of course, when we leave, we come back that way.

1121
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:22,040
 And yeah, Carnegie Ridge is going to be impacted some, but for 10 or 15 minutes, two or three

1122
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,480
 times during the weekend, it's not going to be a big deal, especially if the church is

1123
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:34,320
 willing to possibly put an off-duty officer out there to help control some of the traffic.

1124
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,280
 I did hear, I didn't make the meeting at the church the other night, but I did hear that

1125
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:44,700
 there was one proposal that if anybody was parking around the back side of the church

1126
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:53,320
 on the north side, we park in this parking lot, wherever it's at, where is it, anyway,

1127
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,240
 we park in this parking lot right here.

1128
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:04,520
 And then if that access is not granted here at all, they were talking about one way, Meandering

1129
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,800
 Creek, to funnel it out to John Payne.

1130
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:14,240
 So we live here, we'd have to come down and around, park, and then we'd have to funnel

1131
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:20,120
 out and come all the way back around, getting into the Crawford Road traffic at the entrance

1132
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,920
 of the church, back to Carnegie Ridge, and then to our house.

1133
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:30,340
 And I think that this access to the parking lot will be nice for everybody that lives

1134
01:07:30,340 --> 01:07:33,980
 on the west side, because right now, there's nothing there.

1135
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:38,880
 We either have to go out on Crawford Road and in or around Meandering Creek to park

1136
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,120
 in the back parking lot.

1137
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,680
 So if we have that access there, it would be a great benefit to, I think, everybody

1138
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,640
 that lives on the west side of the church.

1139
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,920
 So that's my two cents.

1140
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,920
 Thank you for sharing.

1141
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,920
 All righty.

1142
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,920
 Very much appreciated.

1143
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:57,920
 Thank you.

1144
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:04,040
 The next card I have is Cathy Mundy.

1145
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,640
 Hello.

1146
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,640
 Good evening.

1147
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,440
 I'm Cathy Mundy, and I live at 6517 Ridgeley Court.

1148
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:21,400
 I also would love to have access onto Carnegie Ridge.

1149
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,440
 If there was a way for us, we would be able to walk to church rather than having to drive.

1150
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:30,560
 And I think there's other people on that end that would be doing the same.

1151
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,360
 I'm not worried about kids during mass times at the park.

1152
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,880
 There's virtually no kids there on Sunday mornings, particularly.

1153
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:47,040
 And even in the afternoons, that park is rarely used.

1154
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,800
 And we need the parking places, otherwise people will be on the streets.

1155
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:58,360
 And there are a lot of walkers, and crossing the street in between cars can always be dangerous.

1156
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,320
 So I just want to say I'm in favor of it, and I think it would be good for the neighborhood

1157
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,320
 and the parish.

1158
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,320
 Okay.

1159
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,320
 Thank you very much.

1160
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,320
 Thank you.

1161
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:20,240
 Next card I have is Greg Johnson.

1162
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,240
 Good evening.

1163
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,240
 Good evening, Chair, commissioners.

1164
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,240
 As always, thank you for your service.

1165
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,040
 My address is 3198 Teesley Lane in Denton.

1166
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,040
 You've seen me before.

1167
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,040
 We have.

1168
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,560
 I just wanted to make a couple of comments.

1169
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,360
 One, sometimes the meeting can become about something that it's not about.

1170
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,100
 So for clarification, for everyone in the room.

1171
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,880
 So the application is really about more seats, more parking spaces.

1172
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,360
 It's not about whether we get a driveway on Carnegie, because the driveway on Carnegie

1173
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,360
 is already approved.

1174
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,040
 The church could just build it where it's already approved.

1175
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,960
 But moving it makes a lot of sense for a lot of people.

1176
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,760
 So this is really about more seats, more parking spaces.

1177
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,740
 And sometimes facts help.

1178
01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:09,360
 So we've got 1,173,000 square feet of land, to kind of put it in perspective.

1179
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,120
 Right now we've got 20,000 feet of building, adding the new church sanctuary, which we've

1180
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,000
 only been waiting like 30 years for.

1181
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:25,220
 At 20% coverage of our land area, that would be 300,000 square feet covered.

1182
01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:29,120
 So we've got a lot of space, is what I'm saying.

1183
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,360
 And what we're talking about is adding seats, not making the building bigger.

1184
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,280
 And we're talking about adding some parking spaces, which we have gobs of room to do.

1185
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:44,080
 And so I think it's helpful to kind of get that visual.

1186
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:52,760
 25% coverage of our lot would be 300,000 square feet.

1187
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,000
 We could argue all day about whether this thing should have ever even been a PD in the

1188
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,480
 first place.

1189
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:02,200
 But that was in vogue at the time, and the church was amenable, and that's all great.

1190
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,960
 The neighborhood on the west side came later.

1191
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:10,600
 I can tell you from experience, there's nobody flying out of there on Sunday.

1192
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:15,360
 So danger to children at the playground should not be a concern because you inch your way

1193
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,980
 out of there.

1194
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:24,200
 And today, you can see like half of the parking lot, the east side, can get out to Meandering

1195
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,200
 Creek.

1196
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,640
 And they've gotten smart because it's a nightmare to get out on Crawford, which we don't control

1197
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:29,640
 Crawford.

1198
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,840
 The city of Denton doesn't control Crawford.

1199
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,800
 Crawford is what it is.

1200
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,720
 And so what's happened is now many of the people park on the east side.

1201
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,840
 Well, the entire parking lot is full at 1130.

1202
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,520
 That's about the only mass the entire thing is full.

1203
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:51,000
 And I won't try to repeat what other people said, but if we get an entrance onto Carnegie

1204
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,560
 Ridge is not the topic for conversation.

1205
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:55,560
 It's already approved.

1206
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,640
 We could just go build it.

1207
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,960
 But there's a lot of reasons why it makes sense to move it.

1208
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,700
 But let's say you didn't, which is what some people are advocating for.

1209
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:08,920
 You're going to throw half the people out onto Meandering Creek, which is already in

1210
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,680
 this neighborhood.

1211
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,320
 And when you turn right to get to John Payne, it's a nightmare.

1212
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,320
 So what do you think people are going to do?

1213
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,080
 They're going to turn left to go to Carnegie Ridge, which is exactly where the other driveway

1214
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,680
 was going to be anyway.

1215
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,720
 So I just wanted to say like I'm in full support of this.

1216
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,880
 St. Mark has been a wonderful neighbor to this community.

1217
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:34,320
 St. Mark was already there when the west side of that neighborhood was built.

1218
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:41,240
 And I would also say that this is another, well, just an example of clarity in what gets

1219
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:46,080
 sent out in the letter is super important.

1220
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,640
 And that the statement that went out in the letter about modification to access, well,

1221
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,640
 that is true.

1222
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,360
 We're saying let's move the thing.

1223
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:59,160
 And I think moving the driveway probably was a city request because it now lines up with

1224
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,280
 a street, which makes a ton of sense.

1225
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,660
 And it makes a ton of sense for stacking and all that stuff within the parking lot and

1226
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:09,040
 keeping people off the street, you can stack more in the parking lot.

1227
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,640
 But that statement in the letter could be really confusing to a resident that doesn't

1228
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,880
 do this all the time.

1229
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,360
 So obviously I'm in support of this.

1230
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:24,760
 I think it's the conversation really is about, do we have enough land to add some parking?

1231
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,240
 And do we have enough building to add some seats?

1232
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:28,740
 That's where we are.

1233
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:29,740
 Thank you so much for listening.

1234
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:32,040
 Thank you very much, Mr. Thompson, appreciate it.

1235
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,160
 Any questions?

1236
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,360
 Thank you.

1237
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:47,160
 Next card I have is Mark Cohen, Cohen, Cohen.

1238
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,160
 I think.

1239
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,160
 Good evening.

1240
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,160
 Chair, committee.

1241
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,840
 Thank you very much for having this meeting.

1242
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,840
 I live at 6705 Cedarhurst Court.

1243
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,880
 I'm at the top of the court, so I'm not in that impacted area directly.

1244
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,620
 However, I am a little concerned.

1245
01:14:04,620 --> 01:14:09,840
 First of all, I want to say I have nothing against the church expanding in its growth

1246
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:10,840
 and its parking.

1247
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,840
 I think it's wonderful.

1248
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:12,840
 We need that.

1249
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:18,800
 I have been concerned about what is the traffic going out on Carnegie Ridge.

1250
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,840
 I understand the initial decision was made at the time when the only people who could

1251
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:27,760
 have made an objection or the only things that could have made an objection were coyotes

1252
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,800
 and deer.

1253
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,040
 That was it.

1254
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,080
 These decisions were made when those houses weren't there.

1255
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:41,080
 I wonder what would have happened if you'd had homeowners there at the time, what you

1256
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,600
 would have heard.

1257
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,560
 But that is what it is.

1258
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,180
 I understand what the traffic study is saying, but I can tell you, I have tried to get out

1259
01:14:50,180 --> 01:14:54,560
 of Carnegie Ridge at the same time mass is letting out.

1260
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,760
 That's a long sit.

1261
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:57,760
 You wait.

1262
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,760
 Now, I go west.

1263
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:01,760
 I'm lucky.

1264
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,680
 I can usually catch a break somewhere.

1265
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,280
 If I have to go the other way, I'm going to have to go down, go around Meandering Creek,

1266
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:16,080
 come out John Payne, go around and round about, forcing traffic down that way.

1267
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,480
 I still am ambivalent about it.

1268
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:23,560
 I realize that there's going to be an entrance there one way or the other.

1269
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:29,040
 I'm not real crazy about it, but I just feel like I needed to get it on the record.

1270
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:36,360
 I will say that at Monday's meeting, a suggestion was made, and there seemed to be some acceptance

1271
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:42,880
 by the church to the idea of only opening up that entrance on Carnegie Ridge for the

1272
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:51,360
 times of highest use, primarily Christmas, Easter, any special holy days that were there.

1273
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,880
 And there seemed to be an indication that the church might be willing to do that, to

1274
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:01,620
 keep that exit blocked off so you didn't have people going out and just letting the existing

1275
01:16:01,620 --> 01:16:04,480
 traffic use the two exits over there.

1276
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:10,200
 I don't know if they still are willing to hold to that, but the suggestion was made

1277
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,440
 and there was an indication on Monday night they would be willing to do that.

1278
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:17,480
 I don't know if that can have any impact on your decision or not, but I thank you very

1279
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:19,480
 much for your time.

1280
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:20,480
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1281
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:21,480
 Any questions?

1282
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:22,480
 No.

1283
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:23,480
 Thank you.

1284
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:29,480
 Thank you.

1285
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:54,400
 Next card I have is from Richard and Anita Fries.

1286
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,400
 You have to excuse me a little bit.

1287
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:58,400
 Hi.

1288
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,400
 Nice.

1289
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,400
 Nice to meet you.

1290
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,400
 Nice to meet you.

1291
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,400
 It's great enough to you.

1292
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:07,320
 I probably have, I have nothing against the church, give me right on that, okay?

1293
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:08,840
 I think it's great and everything.

1294
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:17,600
 I just don't like the entrance coming out of there to Cedarhurst, because guess what?

1295
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,560
 I'm right there on the corner.

1296
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,480
 I'm 6,500 Cedarhurst Court.

1297
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:29,240
 If I would have known that, I would have never bought that house, because if you look down

1298
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,720
 the street, it's a closeout lot.

1299
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,680
 Pulte got her approval, I guess, to put this big house on that lot.

1300
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:42,960
 So between my house and the sidewalk, I got 9 feet.

1301
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:48,240
 All the other homes are 21 feet.

1302
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:53,440
 So yes, if I look out my dining room window, I'm looking right there at the driveway.

1303
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:56,320
 They're coming out of the church.

1304
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,240
 So that's just going to be jammin'.

1305
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:05,880
 And when I get company, okay, because I have a small driveway, they use Carnegie Ridge to

1306
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:06,880
 park on.

1307
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,240
 Well, that's going to be right there too.

1308
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,760
 So I just think it's going to be a major problem.

1309
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,120
 Another thing, I don't know if anybody's told you, but when you go up Carnegie Ridge to

1310
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:24,720
 Crawford, especially in the wintertime, that gets blocked up.

1311
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,880
 Because they can't make the hill.

1312
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,840
 And then if they can get out and they get on Crawford, that's another hill, like Keith's

1313
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,140
 talking about.

1314
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:35,440
 And they just spin and spin and spin, and sand is not the answer.

1315
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:41,200
 I mean, if it rains, the sand's covered up, and it does the same thing again.

1316
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,720
 That's just going to be a major problem, and it's going to be a backup.

1317
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:51,520
 And I can see a major problem if we do get an ice storm and that church leaves out.

1318
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:52,520
 Maybe it won't happen.

1319
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:53,520
 I don't know.

1320
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,740
 But if you get 10, 12 cars pulled up Carnegie Ridge trying to get out of Crawford, and they

1321
01:18:57,740 --> 01:19:01,760
 can't make it, they're going to come back downhill.

1322
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,120
 There's no other place to go.

1323
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:12,560
 But I think that when they had that house approved through Poulty, I'm sure he got with

1324
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,200
 the city and everything, and they realized the church had that approval for the next

1325
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:23,000
 street up, for the driveway to come out of there, Melbrook or whatever it is, that might

1326
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,080
 have been okay, because it didn't interfere with my house.

1327
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:35,960
 But if you look on the map, where my house is, I got nine feet from there to the sidewalk.

1328
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:43,960
 So I get company comes, they park out there, and then I'm going to tell my people to move.

1329
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,840
 I mean, where am I going to park?

1330
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:48,840
 I guess that's it.

1331
01:19:48,840 --> 01:20:00,640
 That's one of the biggest things, okay?

1332
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:01,960
 I have nothing against the church.

1333
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,960
 I just think that they should keep it back up at the other entrance.

1334
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,800
 That's what was approved for them.

1335
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,440
 I just think the Cedarhurst one's the wrong one.

1336
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:18,800
 The only thing I want to add is they're talking about 187 parking spaces coming out of that

1337
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,160
 entrance, or that exit.

1338
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:32,080
 If it could be reconfigured to where not so many, I mean, that's 187 versus larger amounts

1339
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,840
 than the other exits.

1340
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:39,360
 That's more than all the other two exits will exit out of.

1341
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,600
 Do you follow me?

1342
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:48,760
 And if they could move it up again, go back to Woodmere, reconfigure the parking spaces

1343
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:55,680
 -- I don't have an objection there, but 187 cars coming out of that exit right there at

1344
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:01,160
 our house, I don't see how it could not cause a cluster.

1345
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,320
 >> Let's just say it's not 187, let's just say it's half of them, that's still a ton

1346
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:06,320
 of cars coming out.

1347
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,320
 >> Well, it is.

1348
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:12,520
 But if they could just reconfigure it somehow to where not that many is coming out and move

1349
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,560
 the exit back up to Woodmere.

1350
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,580
 >> Thank you for sharing your thoughts, both of you.

1351
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:23,320
 Next card I have is Travis Clemens.

1352
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:24,320
 Hello.

1353
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:31,520
 >> I don't know how -- did I just give them to you?

1354
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,520
 >> No.

1355
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,520
 >> Thank you.

1356
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:40,480
 >> Put them on the -- this is very amateur, because I did this today, so.

1357
01:21:40,480 --> 01:22:00,560
 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

1358
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:15,760
 >> Thank you.

1359
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:16,920
 >> Thank you, guys, for taking the time.

1360
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,600
 My name is Travis Clemens.

1361
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,960
 My family and I have lived here for about three years.

1362
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:27,520
 I live on 6520 Woodmere Court, so it's a couple feet off of the red line where my vote matters.

1363
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,960
 I want to highlight that I'm a very religious person.

1364
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,000
 I've attended religious masses every week of my whole life.

1365
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,600
 I've dedicated two years of my life to missionary service in the impoverished region of Argentina.

1366
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:42,920
 I have studied religion in college, and I've paid 10% of my income to religious charities

1367
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,640
 since the day I could do household chores.

1368
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,900
 So I want to implore you that my opinion in no way, shape, or form is against St. Mark

1369
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:51,520
 Catholic Church nor its divine purpose.

1370
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,720
 Also this is my first experience doing something like this, so forgive me.

1371
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:02,080
 So I just learned about this reading shortly, so my info is probably a little spotty.

1372
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:07,560
 My qualm here is against the exit.

1373
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:12,200
 I don't care how much parking they have, but I care about the exit onto my street.

1374
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:13,200
 I'm no lawyer.

1375
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,840
 I'm not an expert in urban planning, nor was I here when all this was approved back in

1376
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:17,840
 2012.

1377
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,280
 I'm an investment banker, and if my profession has taught me one thing, it's about trying

1378
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,040
 to find common ground between both parties that makes sense.

1379
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:30,800
 I believe that this exit is a negative externality, ill-affecting the neighborhood and not improving

1380
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:31,800
 traffic flow.

1381
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,600
 If you look at exhibit one, which is a Google Maps of the area question with some little

1382
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,160
 marks by me, I'd like to direct your attention to the little blue rectangles which are meant

1383
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,200
 to represent traffic from the church.

1384
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,400
 I've lived here long enough and seen thousands of times and experienced hundreds of times

1385
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:49,000
 that traffic is woefully congested on Crawford Road, and to a lesser extent, John Payne Road.

1386
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,600
 The reason for this is that there are only two main exits from this area, a single lane

1387
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,900
 stop sign at 35 West or a single lane stop light with a railroad on Fort Worth Drive,

1388
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:01,280
 which is further congested by the Argyle Sixth Grade Center as well.

1389
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,000
 These exits are the only options we have in this neighborhood as well as the members of

1390
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,000
 the church have to exit this area.

1391
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,440
 This is where my problem lies.

1392
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:11,560
 Ultimately, the church might minutely alleviate congestion outside its main south exit, but

1393
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,800
 ultimately this is not the problem, as traffic will remain congested on Crawford Road.

1394
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,920
 The proposed exit might save someone 15 seconds as they zip along Carnegie Ridge, but ultimately

1395
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,160
 will have to merge onto the congested Crawford Road just the same.

1396
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,340
 This is where my point of common sense comes up, constructing an exit on the west side

1397
01:24:27,340 --> 01:24:31,920
 of the property on Carnegie Ridge will not aid in reducing traffic along Crawford Road,

1398
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,400
 rather it will just insert more dangerous traffic into that community.

1399
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,040
 Now looking towards the neighborhood more broadly, you will see that there are only

1400
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,680
 two entrances into our neighborhood, one which already serves as an entrance to the church.

1401
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,160
 Adding another exit or entrance on Carnegie Ridge will now disrupt the only two entrances

1402
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:47,720
 this neighborhood has.

1403
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,640
 And to quote my neighbor who lives outside the entrance on Meandering Creek, who did

1404
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,160
 not know about this meeting, "When the church services are starting and ending, we can't

1405
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,720
 even get out of our own driveway."

1406
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,040
 Looking towards Exhibit 2, you will see an image of this area back in 2013, a couple

1407
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,280
 months after this proposal was approved, and you'll notice there was no community here

1408
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:06,800
 to even vote on this matter.

1409
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,520
 Why should the community here today, who previously had no idea this was part of the plan, be

1410
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,840
 beholden to this proposal when there wasn't even representation for them at that time?

1411
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,560
 Further, when this proposal was approved back in 2012, the community pool was not part of

1412
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,560
 the plan.

1413
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,360
 Additionally, we have our community park just a block away.

1414
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,120
 We are proposing ejecting an exit, which will then have numerous cars entering and exiting

1415
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,960
 into the single most congested area of our neighborhood, as families frequently gather

1416
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,120
 at that pool and park.

1417
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,240
 I've heard many times that no one is there on the weekend, but I work the weekdays.

1418
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,080
 And so on the weekends, it's the only time I can go there with my family.

1419
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:43,600
 I also want to add that Meandering Creek, another street in our neighborhood that will

1420
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,840
 receive undeserved traffic, does not even have a sidewalk on the north side of the street,

1421
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,680
 if you look to Exhibit 3.

1422
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,680
 We are then proposing ejecting additional traffic on Meandering Creek, which is a street

1423
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,080
 that misses a sidewalk, which I don't have to say, but that doesn't make sense and is

1424
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,080
 more dangerous.

1425
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:05,160
 Now, if there was an exit on the northwest side of this neighborhood, going under 35

1426
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,160
 yards, I'd understand more inserting an exit on this side.

1427
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,760
 However, this doesn't exist, and cars will go the same way they go anyway onto Crawford

1428
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:13,760
 Road.

1429
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,640
 So why root Carnegie Ridge in the process?

1430
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:20,360
 In closing, I'm going to skip a little bit because I've got five seconds here, but I

1431
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,160
 don't understand why we are prioritizing the supposed more convenience of a meeting house

1432
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,960
 rather than the desires and safety of the communities and children in which it lies,

1433
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,280
 especially when that community did not have a voice back during the approval process back

1434
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,280
 in 2012.

1435
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,600
 But I hope you hear our voice now and the board understands the worries and concerns

1436
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,600
 of our community.

1437
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,920
 As I understand it, it's too late to change the addition of an exit, but it can be amended

1438
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,960
 by how much parking and where that exit lies.

1439
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,880
 I implore to the board to move the exit away from their neighborhood or eliminate it entirely,

1440
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:48,880
 otherwise they can have all the parking they want.

1441
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:49,880
 Sorry.

1442
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:50,880
 I went over.

1443
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:51,880
 That's all I got.

1444
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,880
 >> No, you're fine.

1445
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:53,880
 Thank you.

1446
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,360
 Any questions before I ask mine?

1447
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,360
 I have a question for you.

1448
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:03,440
 So it's your opinion that by moving -- so the driveway, as you've heard already, is

1449
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:04,440
 already approved.

1450
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:05,440
 >> Yes.

1451
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,440
 >> It was approved.

1452
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:07,440
 It's there now.

1453
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,960
 And it just hasn't been built yet, but it can be.

1454
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,000
 So you're saying with the realignment, you think that's going to invite more people to

1455
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,480
 come through meandering and down?

1456
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:21,000
 Because, I mean, they could -- >> From Woodland to Cedarhurst?

1457
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,000
 >> Yeah.

1458
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,680
 So you're thinking they're going to make a right out of there and go through your neighborhood

1459
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,680
 that way?

1460
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,160
 >> Well, my problems is I don't particularly care where that exit comes out of.

1461
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:35,080
 If it comes out of my street in Woodmere or Cedarhurst, I'm okay.

1462
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,920
 My thing is I don't want an exit altogether.

1463
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,160
 I know the proposal is to add more parking.

1464
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:41,760
 I'm completely fine with that.

1465
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,820
 Obviously, I'm a religious person.

1466
01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:45,280
 More people in the church, the better.

1467
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:50,920
 I'm just trying to avoid congesting the only other street that's not already congested.

1468
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,440
 So if they want more parking, I'm totally in favor of that.

1469
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:58,960
 I just wish they would not put an exit on the only "clean street" that we have in this

1470
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,960
 neighborhood.

1471
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:00,960
 >> Right.

1472
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,480
 I mean, except they can't already do that.

1473
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:03,480
 >> Exactly.

1474
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:04,480
 Yeah.

1475
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:05,480
 Completely understood.

1476
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:06,480
 I wanted my opinion on the record.

1477
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:07,480
 >> Sure, sure.

1478
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:12,480
 So are you thinking it's -- in your opinion, is it better with the way it is now with where

1479
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,640
 it's proposed versus that realignment to the north?

1480
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,640
 >> I'm indifferent.

1481
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,200
 I would believe where it is now on Woodmere is better because it's less in the neighborhood.

1482
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,600
 So the further out it can be, the better because that affects less people, less children.

1483
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,040
 I don't like that it's next to a park and I don't like it's next to the pool, but obviously

1484
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,480
 it's going to go somewhere.

1485
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:35,160
 So I want it as far away from the -- as further outside as possible.

1486
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:36,160
 That's my opinion.

1487
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,840
 But again, my opinion is I don't want one at all.

1488
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:39,840
 >> Very good.

1489
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:46,440
 Well, thank you very much for coming to speak and for the information.

1490
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:51,680
 Next card I have is Justin Hilton.

1491
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,680
 >> Evening.

1492
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,160
 >> Good evening.

1493
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:05,360
 >> My name is Justin Hilton and I live at 6505 Meandering Creek which is in that 200-foot

1494
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:06,360
 line.

1495
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:12,320
 First I want to start by saying St. Mark's, beautiful church, outstanding, they've done

1496
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,320
 a great job.

1497
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:14,320
 I'm in the construction industry.

1498
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,200
 I've been in it for 15 years, commercial construction.

1499
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:23,720
 I've worked with Lindbeck quite a bit on other projects, so I understand how things go.

1500
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:29,640
 What I don't understand is how it got approved in 2012 before the neighborhood was even a

1501
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:36,040
 concept and why this entrance or the layout for the parking wasn't revisited prior to

1502
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,040
 getting approval for the neighborhood.

1503
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:44,880
 I know work I do on other sites and everything else, all this goes into consideration once

1504
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,800
 something else pops up.

1505
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:54,000
 So I'm having a hard time understanding that.

1506
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,680
 You can go to hospitals across DFW, you can go to other churches across DFW.

1507
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:03,800
 Typically, there's one to two entrances, so I just, again, I know they need more parking.

1508
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:12,720
 I just don't understand why there's necessarily need for a third entrance.

1509
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,360
 I've heard from numerous people that probably don't have children.

1510
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,640
 I have a four-year-old son and a seven-year-old son.

1511
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,620
 I live right on the corner.

1512
01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:23,640
 That hinders their safety to me.

1513
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:24,920
 They ride bikes around the neighborhood.

1514
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,000
 They walk our dog around the neighborhood.

1515
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,400
 This is going to hinder my wife and myself, and we have to take our kids to baseball on

1516
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,400
 Saturday.

1517
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,040
 I go to church at the well on 30, 407 every Sunday.

1518
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,280
 This is an issue for us getting out of our neighborhood, and this is only going to hinder

1519
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,240
 it even more.

1520
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:50,440
 Yeah, you know, again, I've heard that this is a hindrance to their congregation, and

1521
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:51,440
 I get that.

1522
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:52,960
 But what about our community?

1523
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,320
 Because, you know, church is about community.

1524
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,280
 You know, Carnegie Ridge is a community.

1525
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:03,840
 So there needs to be a solution, and I know it's already approved and it's probably too

1526
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:04,840
 late, whatever.

1527
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,840
 I understand.

1528
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:11,620
 But I don't understand why we can't find some common ground here and try to make this right

1529
01:31:11,620 --> 01:31:17,360
 for both parties.

1530
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,680
 And my last point is, at the end of the day, saving the congregation at St. Mark's five

1531
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,520
 minutes from clearing out their parking lot, is that more important than the safety of

1532
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,000
 all the kids in our neighborhood?

1533
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,520
 Yes, that's kind of where I stand, bottom line.

1534
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,480
 So I appreciate y'all's time.

1535
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:33,480
 Thank you.

1536
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:36,480
 Can I ask you a question?

1537
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:37,480
 Yes, ma'am.

1538
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:42,520
 So, I mean, with your -- I mean, you're in the construction business and commercial property.

1539
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,520
 So what do you think -- let's just pretend that this driveway wasn't -- what do you think

1540
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:47,520
 the fix is?

1541
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:48,520
 I don't know.

1542
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,840
 I know that I've heard talks, and I haven't been to all the meetings and everything.

1543
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,880
 But there's a retainage detention area on the east side of the church.

1544
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,800
 I mean, there's other sites that they reworked at, and they could have another entrance coming

1545
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:08,800
 out over there on John Payne or coming out on Crawford, further east of where that entrance

1546
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:09,800
 and exit is now.

1547
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,640
 I don't know.

1548
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:17,480
 But I know there's other solutions that's just not being talked about.

1549
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:18,480
 Okay.

1550
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:19,480
 So.

1551
01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:20,480
 Okay.

1552
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:21,480
 Thank you.

1553
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:22,480
 Thank you.

1554
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:36,560
 Next card I have is Justin Quintana.

1555
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:37,560
 Good evening.

1556
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,240
 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

1557
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:47,040
 I live off of 6613 Cedarhurst Court, so just right outside of that 500-foot range.

1558
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,800
 However, this does greatly affect me, no matter what.

1559
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,920
 I think the church is a great thing in our neighborhood.

1560
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,100
 I think every neighborhood needs a church.

1561
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:56,400
 It creates a center stone to the community.

1562
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,880
 And it's a pretty amazing-looking church as well.

1563
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:05,800
 That being said, I think the growth is going to be a lot greater than what's expected.

1564
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:10,800
 They talk about the growth is only going to come in spurts during, you know, holidays

1565
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,800
 and things of that nature.

1566
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,200
 I think with the way the church looks and the way that the community is growing, I think

1567
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:22,280
 they're going to expect to use these overflow lots a lot more than what they believe.

1568
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:28,120
 You know, kind of to what you're saying, like one thing that we might be able to do to assist

1569
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,480
 with the traffic control is adding a second driveway out for Crawford.

1570
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:35,720
 The reality is having that other driveway, there's no artery for cars to flow out of

1571
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,720
 there.

1572
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,760
 It flows right into another artery, which is Crawford, which is already going to be

1573
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,600
 congested during those times.

1574
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:45,160
 I believe if there was some other alternate route in the back that cars were able to get

1575
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:49,840
 out of there, that alternate exit would be an option.

1576
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,680
 And I think we also forget that cars are going to be using Carnegie Ridge to get into there

1577
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,680
 as well.

1578
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,720
 There's also an island or a raised median that is there right off of Crawford.

1579
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,640
 It gets hit pretty regularly.

1580
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,320
 There's rocks, the big boulders that are there, they get hit.

1581
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:04,920
 The landscaping is constantly getting damaged.

1582
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,960
 And that's just by people who live in the area.

1583
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,680
 As more and more cars go through there trying to be in a rush, we all know everyone's never

1584
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,120
 on time to go to church.

1585
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,120
 That's also going to get hit.

1586
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:19,240
 And we're going to start to see a higher propensity for accidents that are there.

1587
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,240
 And I believe the driveway is also looking to get moved from Woodmere to Cedarhurst,

1588
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,440
 a little bit closer towards the pool.

1589
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,600
 I think that's also another area where we're going to have more congestion.

1590
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:33,360
 There's the stop sign that's located off Carnegie Ridge and Meandering.

1591
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,120
 As we move that driveway closer, that's just going to be more congestion in the area, not

1592
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,760
 allowing cars to flow out of that parking lot if that driveway is going to be used.

1593
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,840
 So it's just going to continue to flow, cause more traffic back up.

1594
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,360
 That being said, as well, if an officer is going to be used off of Crawford in front

1595
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:53,960
 of the church, the point of that's going to be mitigated by allowing cars to exit off

1596
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,760
 of Carnegie at this point.

1597
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,400
 If he's controlling traffic and then we have another uncontrolled access at Carnegie Ridge,

1598
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,260
 we're kind of messing with ourselves and not really allowing that officer to do the job

1599
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:07,760
 that they're going to do to allow proper flow coming out of there.

1600
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,520
 Again, I think the church is awesome.

1601
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:16,320
 I think it's a great thing, but I do believe that in 2012 the growth was unforeseen in

1602
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:21,520
 the area and here we are 12 years later with a big community that surrounds it that's continuing

1603
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,640
 to grow and we only know that parishioners are going to continue to grow in that area

1604
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:26,640
 as well.

1605
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:33,400
 I think if we are looking to expand 180 cars or spots in there, that driveway I'm sure

1606
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:38,780
 can be taken a look at to say, "Hey, you know what, maybe that should be taken down as any

1607
01:35:38,780 --> 01:35:39,780
 other church."

1608
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:43,760
 I think the churches all over the community use one access point to get in and out.

1609
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:49,480
 We can have a controlled access point with an officer there mitigating traffic issues

1610
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:53,600
 and here we're only adding more by allowing more and more cars to flow out of there and

1611
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,720
 I understand that yeah, cars can park on the street, but the reality is, I mean what, we

1612
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,380
 might get 60 cars that can park on Carnegie Ridge total or are we going to get 180 coming

1613
01:36:02,380 --> 01:36:05,380
 out of that parking lot?

1614
01:36:05,380 --> 01:36:07,040
 So thank you for your time everyone.

1615
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,880
 Thank you very much.

1616
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:20,520
 Let's see, next card I have is Sam Schoeniefeldt.

1617
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:28,640
 Good evening.

1618
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:29,640
 Good evening.

1619
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,080
 Thanks for allowing me to speak.

1620
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:35,520
 I'm Sam Schoeniefeldt, like the record said, and I live at 157 Hidden Valley Airport over

1621
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:36,520
 in Shady Shores.

1622
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,040
 But I just moved this summer out of Argyle.

1623
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,240
 We made our home after returning from the Air Force back in 2014.

1624
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:49,840
 One of the biggest draws of moving to Argyle was the Argyle ISD in St. Mark's Parish, which

1625
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:51,440
 was just started.

1626
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:55,120
 We got there obviously that the housing community hadn't been built completely around it yet,

1627
01:36:55,120 --> 01:37:00,240
 but you could see that there was a potential for growth that would match the vision of

1628
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:05,120
 the community, which was I think one of the most warmest and welcoming communities that

1629
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:10,420
 we've ever been a part of, and we saw that that growth would be beneficial to the community

1630
01:37:10,420 --> 01:37:11,420
 at every level.

1631
01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:19,040
 You know, the church likes to say that it's a hospital for sinners, and we help people

1632
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,080
 on many levels, not just financially or from a charity or anything like that, but building

1633
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,200
 them up and making them better citizens.

1634
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:35,400
 So I think that and that growth and the mission of the church in bringing people to a better

1635
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,680
 state is something that's worth considering.

1636
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:43,320
 Having grown up in Argyle for the last nine years, or raised my kids in Argyle and sent

1637
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:48,440
 my youngest through Argyle ISD until he graduated in 2020, Crawford Road's the problem here.

1638
01:37:48,440 --> 01:37:50,440
 It's not St. Mark's.

1639
01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:51,840
 Crawford's a nightmare either way.

1640
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:57,680
 It used to be just 377, it was a problem, but now trying to get underneath the bridge

1641
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,880
 on 35W, it's just, it's crazy.

1642
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:06,360
 Go there at seven o'clock in the morning or five o'clock, four o'clock in the afternoon,

1643
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:07,680
 and it's just itched in.

1644
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:14,460
 St. Mark's footprint within that congestion really isn't even, it's not significant.

1645
01:38:14,460 --> 01:38:19,480
 So I would just bring that for your consideration.

1646
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:21,040
 So the community was destined to grow.

1647
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:26,040
 We knew that when we got here, but we also think that St. Mark's should as well because

1648
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,780
 of the benefits that it gives to the community.

1649
01:38:28,780 --> 01:38:29,780
 And that's all I have to say.

1650
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:30,780
 Thank you for your time.

1651
01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:33,760
 Thank you as well.

1652
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:51,760
 Next card I have is Joyce Steiner.

1653
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:52,760
 Hello.

1654
01:38:52,760 --> 01:39:03,400
 Hi, my name is George Steiner and I live at 6501 Richley Court, first house by the stop

1655
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:08,720
 sign right across the street from the church.

1656
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,160
 I have no problem with the church.

1657
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,000
 All my neighbors go to the church.

1658
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,260
 I drove with them here.

1659
01:39:20,260 --> 01:39:26,080
 My problem is the traffic.

1660
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:36,360
 My house sits about eight feet from the street.

1661
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:43,600
 The city of Denton took 26 feet of my backyard and eight feet.

1662
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:44,880
 So I don't have a backyard.

1663
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:55,880
 So I'm sitting in my side yard facing, facing Carnegie Ridge.

1664
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:02,840
 I've seen the traffic in the mornings when I'm out drinking hot chocolate.

1665
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:07,200
 I see the traffic in the evening.

1666
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:15,960
 And to turn on Carnegie Ridge from Crawford, we don't have really a turning lane.

1667
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,160
 We have a turning spot.

1668
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,840
 One car can get to that spot.

1669
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:34,740
 And if the traffic coming from Crawford Road to Carnegie, it's going to back up to that

1670
01:40:34,740 --> 01:40:39,560
 hospital, because it already does.

1671
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:44,040
 And the cars, they go real fast.

1672
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,560
 I've seen several accidents.

1673
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:53,620
 I've seen a truck go in the ditch on the cross by the church.

1674
01:40:53,620 --> 01:41:00,680
 So the traffic for me is the big problem.

1675
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,520
 Like I said, I don't have a backyard.

1676
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,160
 I just have a side yard.

1677
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:08,840
 And when I sit out there, I smell the fumes.

1678
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:18,280
 I hear the noise and the line in the mornings and in the evenings, it's just, I don't have

1679
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:19,960
 a buffer.

1680
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,960
 There's no buffer.

1681
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:36,000
 So I don't know what the solution is, but that traffic is going to be incredible.

1682
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,180
 And it's going to impact me.

1683
01:41:39,180 --> 01:41:41,880
 I can't get away from it.

1684
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:46,920
 My patio faces Carnegie Ridge.

1685
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:52,320
 My backyard, which is eight feet, is up against Crawford.

1686
01:41:52,320 --> 01:42:00,160
 So if they could do something, I would be happy.

1687
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,640
 That's all I got to say.

1688
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:09,840
 Thank you very much, Ms. Dyna.

1689
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:20,000
 Next card I have is from the Stokes.

1690
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
 Hi there.

1691
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,000
 Yes.

1692
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:29,360
 My name is Tito Stokes, and I sit right there, or I reside right there at 5779 Meandering

1693
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:30,360
 Creek.

1694
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:31,360
 I'm sorry.

1695
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:32,360
 6501 Meandering Creek.

1696
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:39,040
 I put an old address, I was thinking about another house, maybe thinking about moving.

1697
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:40,040
 Just kidding.

1698
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:46,240
 So yes, I'm at 6501 Meandering Creek, and my house sits right next door to Justin and

1699
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,360
 right next behind my neighbor Richard.

1700
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:58,360
 And one of the impacts that I do see with that parking being sitting there, coming out

1701
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:04,820
 of the new parking that's proposed for it to come out further north, is that it's also

1702
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:09,120
 going to have a major impact on Meandering Creek.

1703
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:16,560
 It's also a main wayfare of neighborhood traffic that are trying to get out of there, or even

1704
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:20,080
 just coming back home from wherever they've been going.

1705
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,280
 And again, I don't have a problem with the church.

1706
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:24,280
 I love the church.

1707
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:30,640
 I'm a church-goer myself, and I see this being an impact for the neighborhood, for us to

1708
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:36,480
 go to church, as they're also having their different masses at different times and things

1709
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:37,480
 like that.

1710
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:44,720
 So I see that being a major, major issue with us also trying to get to church and wherever

1711
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:48,320
 we may be trying to go on Sunday.

1712
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:56,480
 The other thing that I know I can stand there, look out my window as well, or in my yard,

1713
01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,800
 there's church functions going on throughout the year.

1714
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,660
 It's not just on Sunday.

1715
01:44:00,660 --> 01:44:06,160
 There's major things that happen at all churches, different functions, different things that

1716
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:10,080
 happen that go on at the church, so they don't just happen on Sunday.

1717
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:16,600
 And I think we also need to just also know that the neighborhood isn't just laying there

1718
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:21,400
 or watching out our windows, watching everybody come to St. Mark's.

1719
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:26,200
 We're also trying to get to church ourselves on Sunday morning, some go on Saturdays as

1720
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,200
 well.

1721
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,200
 There's also services on Saturdays as well.

1722
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:33,880
 So they're not just on Sunday, it's throughout the week.

1723
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,480
 There's Wednesday night services, Tuesday night, you know what I mean?

1724
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:41,640
 So there's different services and activities that continue to happen.

1725
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:51,360
 But again, to have that, to move that parking entrance and exit further north into the belly

1726
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:56,700
 of the neighborhood is going to have a major impact to stop all of that traffic from everyone

1727
01:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,440
 coming from their own homes that are going up and down Meandering Creek.

1728
01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:04,240
 They're going to make that left or that right on Carnegie Ridge and they're going to be

1729
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:05,280
 stuck.

1730
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:12,240
 So it's not going to just be five or six or seven minute if you've got 186 cars trying

1731
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:16,040
 to get out of there or you have 50 cars trying to get out of there.

1732
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:22,400
 It is a major traffic zone right there at Carnegie Ridge and Meandering Creek.

1733
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:28,000
 And I see it because I see it every day, all day for the past five years.

1734
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:32,520
 And there was one time Carnegie Ridge wasn't open.

1735
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:38,200
 It was a closed street at one point before all the houses that were built on our west

1736
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:39,200
 end.

1737
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,680
 It was a closed street when I first moved there.

1738
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:47,280
 So most of the traffic and everyone had to go around to John Payne to get out of the

1739
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:48,900
 neighborhood as well.

1740
01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:56,200
 So just something to put into consideration that to move that entrance and exit further

1741
01:45:56,200 --> 01:46:00,400
 down into the neighborhood is going to have a major, major impact on the neighborhood

1742
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:01,460
 as well.

1743
01:46:01,460 --> 01:46:03,560
 So that's all I wanted to add.

1744
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:05,480
 Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.

1745
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:09,160
 Did you get my new address?

1746
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:13,400
 6501.

1747
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:21,880
 I'm changing it now.

1748
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,760
 That's the last card that I have here, but this is a public hearing.

1749
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,920
 And even if you didn't fill out a card, you are welcome to come and speak.

1750
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,520
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

1751
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,520
 Yeah, come on.

1752
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,400
 You can fill out a card after.

1753
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:38,160
 Just come up here and state your name and address and your time will begin.

1754
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:41,640
 I wasn't going to speak, but now I'm going to.

1755
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:42,640
 My name is Kathy Henderson.

1756
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,880
 I live at 6501 Woodmere, so I'm the third house in.

1757
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:46,880
 Oh, sorry.

1758
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:51,840
 I was at his house, 6509 Woodmere.

1759
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,080
 I'm the third house in.

1760
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,560
 My house backs the park, okay?

1761
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,840
 So from my backyard, I can see the park.

1762
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:03,240
 And to say that the kids that don't play there on the weekend, I watch out my back porch

1763
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,440
 and they're out there constantly.

1764
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:07,280
 There is no parking for the park.

1765
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,120
 They park on the streets.

1766
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:15,040
 That Carnegie Ridge is a two-lane street, so if anyone parks on that street, you have

1767
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:16,720
 to use the other lane.

1768
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:24,800
 So to put on that massive amount of exiting church traffic, that does completely impact

1769
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,200
 our street, whether it's on Meander or Woodmere.

1770
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:33,360
 The Woodmere one, at least, was between the streets, so they couldn't just pull into somebody's

1771
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,880
 neighborhood.

1772
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:42,920
 And then the pool is also on one end of the Carnegie, and the park is on the other.

1773
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:48,280
 Neither one has sufficient parking in our HOA, which was nothing we could have changed

1774
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:49,280
 at the time.

1775
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,960
 When I bought the house, they didn't mention anything about this new exit, or I would not

1776
01:47:53,960 --> 01:48:03,760
 have purchased that house either.

1777
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:11,160
 They say that the traffic will only be Sundays and Saturdays.

1778
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:15,760
 I went out yesterday in the afternoon, and they must have had a funeral or something.

1779
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:23,280
 So there was traffic backed all the way up Crawford to 35 past their church entrance.

1780
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:27,160
 So to say it's going to be minimal traffic, that's not true.

1781
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:31,760
 There needs to be some kind of change, because all that does is push the traffic to Crawford

1782
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:42,320
 at a faster rate, at least having two exits, they can flow the traffic a little slower.

1783
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:47,120
 Thank you for sharing it.

1784
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:53,640
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not filled out a card?

1785
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:54,640
 Howdy.

1786
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:55,640
 Hi.

1787
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:56,640
 I'm Marshall Jennings.

1788
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,080
 I live at 6408 Roaring Creek Drive.

1789
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:02,680
 I don't go to church.

1790
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:04,320
 I'm not affiliated with the church.

1791
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:11,280
 However, I do think that it's something to discuss the future prospects of this, given

1792
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:16,820
 that many people have, oh, the community's growing, oh, the 10-year plan.

1793
01:49:16,820 --> 01:49:22,400
 So if you look at the total volume of parking spots, it would be 456 spots for all the lots

1794
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,000
 that are planned or being built.

1795
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:33,520
 So given the very extreme situation of having nigh 500 vehicles parked there and trying

1796
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:40,360
 to leave all at the same time, because that's just how church services go, I think that

1797
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:47,200
 having 180 of those going through practically the heart of the neighborhood and 140 of those

1798
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:52,980
 going through Mandarin Creek, which they already do since that's already an exit, I think that's

1799
01:49:52,980 --> 01:50:01,800
 an issue that in the future that if the total capacity is dealing with that and then already

1800
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:10,680
 Crawford is already an issue, so that having all those vehicles going through it and so,

1801
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:11,680
 okay, back up.

1802
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:16,680
 So 130 of those already go immediately or they have plans to go immediately on to Crawford.

1803
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:23,280
 140 of those go through Education Meandering, John Payne to Crawford, and then proposed

1804
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:27,320
 187 of those are going to go to Carnegie to Crawford.

1805
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:31,200
 Everybody's going to Crawford, so regardless of where they go, it's already going to be

1806
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:36,600
 an issue and it's already an issue as a road anyways, regardless of what the future prospects

1807
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,040
 might be.

1808
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:44,920
 And again, 187 of those going into the heart of the neighborhood, even at an intersection

1809
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:50,560
 or into a T-intersection into the middle of the block.

1810
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:55,320
 For example, you're already going to have people stuck at Carnegie and Crawford, given

1811
01:50:55,320 --> 01:51:02,320
 the hill situation, given it's a left turn, right turn only intersection.

1812
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:07,520
 I think that if I were in a situation coming off onto Crawford from this new parking lot

1813
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:13,460
 at this new intersection and I look left and I see 20, 30 people waiting to turn onto Crawford,

1814
01:51:13,460 --> 01:51:18,280
 I'm going to go through the neighborhood, which of course disadvantages everyone living

1815
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:22,080
 there, everyone living across the street at this intersection, everyone on Meandering Creek

1816
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:28,320
 who has to deal with it, and there's already people here at this hearing that have voice

1817
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:32,300
 complaints about living at the Meandering Creek intersection already.

1818
01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:38,200
 So add, what, half of 180 going the other way down Meandering, they're going to have

1819
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,880
 an even bigger issue.

1820
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:46,080
 And then again, I think it's also worth considering that these are three cul-de-sacs that are

1821
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:53,240
 at the whim of whatever traffic might be on Carnegie Ridge, and again, the smallest intersection

1822
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:58,600
 there right, smallest cul-de-sac right at the intersection already has to deal with

1823
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:04,020
 all the things going on turning onto Crawford, let alone again having the maximum possible

1824
01:52:04,020 --> 01:52:10,340
 capacity of 180 vehicles coming down through there additionally on top of whatever might

1825
01:52:10,340 --> 01:52:14,240
 already going through given regular neighborhood traffic.

1826
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:19,440
 I think it's also worth bringing up the known St. Mark's schedule, which is to say that

1827
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:25,800
 on Sunday, they have 7 a.m. service, 9 a.m. service, 1130 a.m. service, and a 4 p.m.

1828
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:26,800
 service.

1829
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:27,800
 Monday, none.

1830
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:29,160
 Tuesday, they have a 730 a.m.

1831
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:33,160
 Wednesday, they have a 7 p.m. and a confessional service later.

1832
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,280
 Thursday, they have a 730 a.m.

1833
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,080
 Friday, they have a 730 a.m.

1834
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:42,680
 Saturday, they have a 5 p.m. and a 7 p.m. and then an earlier confessional.

1835
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:49,320
 And that's not even including Holy Days, special occasions, fundraisers, what have you.

1836
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:57,640
 So given, again, thinking of the future, 450 vehicles at this time throughout the entire

1837
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:04,680
 week on top of Holy Days, that's a lot to deal with with a neighborhood that already

1838
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:06,440
 deals with what they deal with.

1839
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:10,920
 So thinking future maximum possible, the worst case scenario, it's going to be horrible

1840
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:13,680
 for everyone, not just the churchgoers.

1841
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:18,080
 Yeah, that's my two cents.

1842
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,080
 Thank you.

1843
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:24,840
 Do you see a better solution than what is being proposed this evening?

1844
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:33,680
 Just where, I think, okay, I think what would be interesting is instead of having the intersection,

1845
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,920
 the road go off into here, into the heart of the neighborhood basically, and then this

1846
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:43,720
 intersection is already bad enough, is else to have take the tangent of these curves and

1847
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:49,240
 go straight on to Crawford or else have the opposite tangent and go all the way across

1848
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,120
 to John Payne.

1849
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:56,800
 This all the way across to Carnegie wouldn't make sense given the topography of the hill

1850
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,680
 and already right there into an intersection.

1851
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:05,120
 But I think having three main ones and then just splitting the traffic as you will onto

1852
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:09,880
 Crawford, which everyone's going to go anyway, so might as well already push them there,

1853
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:11,360
 would help.

1854
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:16,880
 Another solution I think would be expanding this intersection to be more like this, have

1855
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:23,960
 it wider, more lanes, what have you, onto Crawford, and then also make it a, let's see,

1856
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:27,060
 looking south, have it be right turn.

1857
01:54:27,060 --> 01:54:31,360
 Everyone going westbound would be in the right lane and everyone going eastbound would be

1858
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:32,640
 in the left lane.

1859
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:36,760
 So on special days, Sunday, what have you, and especially if we have the officer there

1860
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:42,800
 directing traffic or monitoring, have it be, instead of an actual intersection, have everyone

1861
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,120
 going right, go west, everyone going left, go east.

1862
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:51,240
 And then of course, especially with this loop we have around the church, the complex, split

1863
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:52,480
 it at the back.

1864
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:59,680
 So everyone in this north parking lot, figure out what you're doing, go the according direction,

1865
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:01,840
 and then go left or right.

1866
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,560
 Everyone here, go around, or through there, everyone here, go around, wherever you need

1867
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:11,480
 to be, instead of having an intersection here and dealing with the neighborhood, which I

1868
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:17,120
 would think would be more trouble than it's worth, honestly.

1869
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:21,360
 Thank you very much, appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

1870
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,800
 I don't have any more cards.

1871
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:29,200
 If you haven't spoken already, you may come down and do so.

1872
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:33,120
 Hello.

1873
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:36,360
 My name is Rick Villarreal, I live here in the city, but I go to St. Mark's, I don't

1874
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:37,360
 live in that neighborhood.

1875
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:43,240
 One of the things I do want to point out is that I go on to Mass there regularly on Sundays.

1876
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:47,640
 We don't have large traffic pileups, we don't, I mean, we do have, Crawford Road gets backed

1877
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:48,880
 up, it gets backed up every day.

1878
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:54,360
 I try to go down on 35, and that's not church traffic that's holding me up to the back of

1879
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:58,360
 the church, it's just regular traffic trying to get down that road, it is a bad problem.

1880
01:55:58,360 --> 01:55:59,360
 Crawford Road is the problem.

1881
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:02,920
 But one thing I want to make sure that everybody understands is that we're talking about these

1882
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,160
 numbers of 456 parking spots.

1883
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:09,880
 It's only being built that for on those days when you have the maximum amount of people

1884
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:14,200
 that you wouldn't want parking on streets or parking in grass or parking any other place.

1885
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,720
 As the numbers were given out earlier, most of the time you have 600 people at Mass.

1886
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:22,040
 When you break that down to the number of people per cars, that usually rounds out to

1887
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:29,320
 about probably 185 to 200 total cars in the parking lot at a particular mass when you

1888
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,640
 have 600 people, because it's family, church has a lot of families, you have two people,

1889
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:34,600
 four people, five people in a car.

1890
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:39,280
 So when you're departing the parking lots out of there, it is not 180 people coming

1891
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:43,360
 out of one exit at one time, 140 people coming out of another exit at the other time.

1892
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:47,200
 When you divide those numbers up out of those exits, you will find that those numbers are

1893
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:48,200
 going to be much less.

1894
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:51,780
 And having had to deal with parking problems at other places before, I think sometimes

1895
01:56:51,780 --> 01:56:52,920
 that gets a little overblown.

1896
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,680
 I understand being in a neighborhood and I understand concerns about the traffic, but

1897
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,640
 I also want to make sure that people understand that it is not all of that happening every

1898
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:04,360
 Sunday, every mass where you've got those kinds of cars coming out on that traffic is

1899
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,840
 just not realistic.

1900
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:08,840
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1901
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:09,840
 Appreciate it.

1902
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:25,280
 My name is Robert Cosas, I live at 6700 Woodmere Court.

1903
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:29,360
 And I'm a parishioner, good father there.

1904
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,120
 I have no problems with the church.

1905
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:38,080
 The additional parking spaces, if you drive by on our major feasts, Sundays, holidays,

1906
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,560
 you're parking a park on the grass, so give them concrete to park on versus parking on

1907
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:42,880
 the lawn, right?

1908
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:47,120
 So it makes sense.

1909
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:52,440
 Making the sanctuary bigger, it makes sense to allow the people to come and participate

1910
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:54,320
 together instead of different groups, right?

1911
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:58,080
 The other thing I bring up that no one's talked about, which I think is interesting is, so

1912
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:04,480
 I live at the very end of Woodmere, but if you could somehow zoom in, I live at the top

1913
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:05,480
 of the hill.

1914
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:06,480
 Okay?

1915
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:07,480
 I think Julie can help you with that.

1916
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:08,480
 Can you help me make it bigger?

1917
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,480
 I just want to point out something that's unique, no one's said yet.

1918
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:16,160
 On Cedar, okay, yeah, that's perfect.

1919
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:22,600
 If you look at the streets, Cedarhurst and Woodmere, and I know we've got a number of

1920
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:27,680
 people from it, and Clive lives two houses away from me, you go up when you come up,

1921
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,840
 so if you move the intersection, wherever you put it, if you put it at Cedarhurst, you

1922
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:31,840
 put it at Woodmere.

1923
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:38,560
 The other thing, and I called the county and I've never gotten responses on it, on signage,

1924
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:40,600
 they're dead ends.

1925
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:45,200
 So if you're in a hurry leaving church and you're going to go up to Cedarhurst thinking

1926
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:49,040
 I'm going to go out that way, right, you're going to create problems.

1927
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:52,280
 So there needs to be the signage that should say on those streets right now, there's no

1928
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:53,280
 outlet, right?

1929
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:56,880
 And the same thing, if you think you're going to cut down Meandering Creek and you're going

1930
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:00,800
 to take Russian Creek, you're going to go in a circle and come back out.

1931
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:06,360
 The only outlet is Meandering Creek at John Payne and Carnegie Ridge.

1932
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:11,840
 So and maybe the Good Father can help us educate our parishioners that when you're going to

1933
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:16,640
 leave church, those are your exits, because all you're going to do is drive up and we

1934
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:21,440
 see people come up, Woodmere, come flying up and realize that there's no place to go.

1935
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:24,300
 And they get to turn around real fast and drive back down the hill.

1936
01:59:24,300 --> 01:59:30,780
 So and especially if it's on the street, wherever it ends up being, whether it's Woodmere or

1937
01:59:30,780 --> 01:59:32,560
 Cedarhurst, there needs to be signage.

1938
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:36,880
 And the other thing you heard a lot about is on that would be the east side of Carnegie

1939
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:40,720
 Ridge is part of, I would think is part of the study.

1940
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:43,040
 They've talked about restricting parking.

1941
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:48,040
 So there'd be, again, signage for people, you know, and it says that you shouldn't,

1942
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:52,320
 like during the services, you're not going to want people parking on Carnegie Ridge on

1943
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:57,600
 the east side, which creates a problem because on the west side of Carnegie is the park.

1944
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:03,160
 So people want to use a park on Sunday morning, which is our ability to do so.

1945
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:07,600
 I don't have any small children, but you know, they're going to have to park, they're going

1946
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:08,600
 to park by the park.

1947
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:09,960
 So you're going to have a parking issue.

1948
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:13,280
 So you have to think about restricting parking, because it is true.

1949
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:20,920
 If you got the playground on the west side of Carnegie, and if you're having church services

1950
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:24,920
 and you have some type of like, we have events at the park, right, we have food truck come,

1951
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:29,600
 we have events, people park both sides, it will create problems during when they're both

1952
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:31,680
 competing for the same space.

1953
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:37,160
 But my biggest request from what you do here in the commission is to put more signage up

1954
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:41,520
 and let people know that whatever you're going to end up agreeing to and whatever gets permitted,

1955
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,440
 that they put up a public signs so we don't have a bunch of people running up and down

1956
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:49,680
 the streets and turn around and coming back, which creates more congestion at the intersection.

1957
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,880
 Because there's nothing that tells people those are dead ends.

1958
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:53,880
 Thank you.

1959
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:55,360
 Can I ask you a question?

1960
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:56,360
 Sure.

1961
02:00:56,360 --> 02:01:00,400
 So are you in favor of the request before us?

1962
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:05,600
 I look at it this way, and I know there's been a lot of good exchange, okay, and that

1963
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:06,600
 makes it healthy.

1964
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:10,640
 I'm in favor of the fact that it's approved already, right?

1965
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:18,800
 So I agree wholeheartedly that it was poorly communicated that people don't know what we

1966
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:21,480
 thought we had an ability to change.

1967
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,120
 It's already been granted.

1968
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:29,720
 The issue is surely the church can have those seats, surely the church can have the additional

1969
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:30,720
 parking spaces.

1970
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:31,720
 It's on their land.

1971
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:33,400
 Like they said, it's a small percentage.

1972
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:36,000
 And you don't have to make people park on the grass.

1973
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,560
 They're going to still attend church, and like the others said, they're going to park

1974
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:39,560
 on our sidewalks.

1975
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:40,560
 I mean, on our streets, right?

1976
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,460
 So they're going to be going into our neighborhoods more.

1977
02:01:42,460 --> 02:01:44,600
 So it makes all the sense in the world.

1978
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:45,600
 And it was granted.

1979
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:49,920
 I don't know whether it makes more sense to have it on Cedarhurst, so you have more of

1980
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,400
 a flow before it gets to Carnegie Ridge, that if you try to put it at Woodmere, you're shortening

1981
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:58,120
 the distance of how many cars between, you know, it gets to Crawford.

1982
02:01:58,120 --> 02:01:59,600
 I don't know if that helps.

1983
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:01,160
 That's not my specialty.

1984
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:02,160
 But it's been approved.

1985
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:03,160
 So I'm supportive.

1986
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:08,040
 All I'm trying to say is that the education piece is what's hurt us a little bit.

1987
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:11,360
 And that's why we got so many people here, because we didn't know what was already approved,

1988
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:12,360
 right?

1989
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:16,920
 So I support, Father, what you're trying to do, but I understand for our neighborhoods

1990
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:20,520
 of safety and security, everything, there's a lot of education that would need to take

1991
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:22,880
 place beyond what we're doing right now.

1992
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:24,880
 But I hope, thanks for listening.

1993
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:26,760
 Thank you as well.

1994
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,000
 This is a public hearing.

1995
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,620
 I don't have any cards in front of me.

1996
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:36,760
 But if you would like to speak and have not done so already, please come on down.

1997
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:37,760
 Good evening.

1998
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:38,760
 Hi.

1999
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:43,000
 So first, I live with the gentleman at 6501 Meandering Creek.

2000
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:44,000
 We've been there.

2001
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:45,000
 I understand.

2002
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:46,000
 That is my husband.

2003
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:47,000
 Yes.

2004
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:48,000
 We have been there for five years.

2005
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,000
 Yes.

2006
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,180
 That was interesting, the new address that we have.

2007
02:02:52,180 --> 02:02:54,400
 So we live at the corner, right?

2008
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:59,280
 And it was, you know, I've been listening all evening to what everyone had to say.

2009
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:01,760
 It is a bit disheartening as a homeowner.

2010
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:05,020
 The communication hasn't been great.

2011
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:08,960
 It's disheartening as a homeowner to know that something was approved prior to or even

2012
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,200
 thought of living in this community.

2013
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:13,400
 It's a wonderful community.

2014
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:18,600
 We have the advantage, like some others, to be able to look out our dining room window.

2015
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:20,960
 And we've been watching the church grow today.

2016
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,560
 We were super excited to see the dome go on.

2017
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:25,280
 So we're super in support.

2018
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:26,760
 We're Christians.

2019
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:27,760
 We go to church.

2020
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:32,680
 All of the things that everyone has said, I don't want to belabor that point.

2021
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:36,160
 I just think that there's got to be a way.

2022
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:43,040
 My biggest personal concern is, as we've all determined, Crawford Road is an issue.

2023
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:44,600
 That stop sign is an issue.

2024
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:49,920
 I personally, on a quiet day, have almost had an accident with the people flying down

2025
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,280
 Crawford Road.

2026
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:57,920
 So for me, for my sake, I would love that we could commit to having an officer at the

2027
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:01,880
 stop sign, because we can't do anything about the fact that there will be a driveway in

2028
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:02,880
 and out.

2029
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:03,880
 Right?

2030
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:04,880
 So there's no argument here.

2031
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:07,200
 I don't think that we're going to get that change.

2032
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:13,640
 But how we deal with it now is the most important thing to me as a homeowner, before I put a

2033
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:17,800
 for sale sign and move to 5779, wherever that is.

2034
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:22,660
 I would love to see a commitment from the church to help us with our community in terms

2035
02:04:22,660 --> 02:04:30,200
 of getting out at those times that we have the larger mass times, even if it was the

2036
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:33,120
 morning mass and then in the evening mass.

2037
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:37,480
 I do know as a person that lives in the community, I'll leave not thinking about the church has

2038
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:42,200
 let out and then get out on Crawford Road and get stuck trying to go across 377.

2039
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:45,000
 I'm like, oh gosh, the church let out.

2040
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,400
 And so it's all a lot.

2041
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:52,240
 So I'm just hoping that as a community, and I wanted it to be on record, if the church

2042
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:59,840
 can commit to helping us, putting an officer not only at the Crawford exit, but at the

2043
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:06,000
 Carnegie Ridge exit for the safety of all of us and our children and the community and

2044
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:10,560
 the parishioners, I personally would be satisfied with that.

2045
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:16,800
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

2046
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:17,800
 This is a public hearing.

2047
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:30,960
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not done so?

2048
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:31,960
 Hello.

2049
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:32,960
 Hello.

2050
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:33,960
 Good evening.

2051
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:34,960
 My name is Kevin Eming.

2052
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:39,640
 I'm the applicant that's been working with Julie to get all this information filled out.

2053
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:45,600
 So I was just talking with Father and he wanted me to come up and share that we will commit

2054
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:49,960
 to putting that officer out on Crawford Road at the church entrance.

2055
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:54,300
 So he just wanted to make sure that that was perfectly clear that we will make that commitment

2056
02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:55,300
 today.

2057
02:05:55,300 --> 02:05:59,200
 Thank you for sharing that.

2058
02:05:59,200 --> 02:06:00,920
 Excuse me.

2059
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:05,840
 And the other thing that Father George wanted me to communicate is on the connection to

2060
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:12,720
 Carnegie Ridge from our parking lot that Monday through Friday that we will have a gate there

2061
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:19,560
 so that way people cannot exit out of our property out onto Carnegie Ridge Monday through

2062
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:20,640
 Friday.

2063
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:26,080
 So it also benefits St. Mark too because people can't cut through and use that as a cut through

2064
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:27,080
 pass.

2065
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:34,160
 So we will commit to that of restricting that exiting off of to Carnegie Ridge Monday through

2066
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:35,160
 Friday.

2067
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:42,400
 Thank you very much for conveying that.

2068
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:56,320
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not done so?

2069
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:57,320
 Okay seeing none.

2070
02:06:57,320 --> 02:07:03,320
 I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion

2071
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:04,320
 with the commissioners.

2072
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:05,320
 Commissioner Smith.

2073
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:06,320
 Thank you Chair.

2074
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:11,320
 Julie, can I ask you a quick question and then I will want to talk to the applicant,

2075
02:07:11,320 --> 02:07:15,080
 whoever wants to represent the applicant after this question.

2076
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:18,280
 You probably can't see it on there but just looking at Google maps and being out there

2077
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:23,640
 on that site there is a stretch of sidewalk that goes down from near the public pool down

2078
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,920
 to the property line of the church.

2079
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:33,520
 This PDA has nothing to do with that sidewalk connectivity down to that driveway at this

2080
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:35,160
 time correct?

2081
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:36,720
 Correct.

2082
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:42,000
 They have constructed the sidewalk, I'm sorry the sidewalk on Carnegie Ridge right?

2083
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,320
 Yes, on the on the east side of it though.

2084
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:48,560
 Yes, they have constructed that sidewalk.

2085
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,160
 They left a gap there.

2086
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:53,880
 Does it go all the way down to like Cedarhurst or does it go down to Woodmere or where does

2087
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:55,640
 it go down to?

2088
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:58,720
 Right now and oh can you see is that?

2089
02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:00,600
 That's what I can see on Google Maps.

2090
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:05,480
 They left that there with the expectation they would be coming forward with this plan

2091
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:11,160
 development amendment if it didn't get approved then that would they would have to maybe reconfigure

2092
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:16,480
 that okay complete that sidewalk and it's not but it's that extension of that sidewalk

2093
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:23,640
 is not part of the PDA in front of us correct okay would the applicant be amenable to that

2094
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:29,100
 being a condition made to expand that sidewalk stretched down to that that extension?

2095
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:34,120
 I would argue that it's already a condition because it was part of the original 2012 approval

2096
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:37,920
 that we have to provide a 10-foot sidewalk around the perimeter of the church and that's

2097
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,080
 the church property okay so it is it's something we have to do anyway.

2098
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,600
 It's in the 2012 okay that's what I was trying to ask earlier so stay up there real quick.

2099
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:49,640
 Is that sidewalk just to that that extension or to that that that entrance way or it's

2100
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:53,600
 to the entrance way wherever it is whether it's at its current alignment on the plan

2101
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:57,360
 or to the proposed alignment the sidewalk stops there at that entrance or does it go

2102
02:08:57,360 --> 02:08:59,360
 all the way down to Crawford?

2103
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:00,680
 It goes all the way to Crawford.

2104
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:08,480
 Okay if I it's it's it's already on the west on the west side correct on the yeah on the

2105
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:16,040
 west side it's already been constructed except for there's probably a 60-foot Kevin.

2106
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:22,200
 Could you come up to the mic please yeah just because we're we're on we're on camera thank

2107
02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:29,080
 you so what we've constructed to date is on the east side of Carnegie Ridge starting at

2108
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:33,680
 Meandering Creek the sidewalk existed about 40 foot down so we started picking up from

2109
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:40,240
 there report a section we left the gap where this future roadway would connect so we continued

2110
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:45,720
 that all the way up to Crawford down Crawford and then back John John Payne that's all been

2111
02:09:45,720 --> 02:09:49,880
 constructed within the last eight months that was that was all I was asking I didn't on

2112
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:53,760
 the Google aerial couldn't see that so what I hear what I hear is on the east side there's

2113
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:57,560
 a sidewalk there there's a stretch there for an entrance so yeah it's part of the city

2114
02:09:57,560 --> 02:10:02,640
 of Denton's trail and path system we requested that we were required to do a 10-foot wide

2115
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:06,960
 sidewalk around the entire perimeter of the church okay thank you very much I appreciate

2116
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:12,920
 it no other questions for me okay anybody else at this time Mr. Olson while you're up

2117
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:17,760
 there I guess I've got a question for you so I'm assuming you've studied this with your

2118
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:26,180
 engineers as to you know that drive yeah is there in the 2012 you know it's it's kind

2119
02:10:26,180 --> 02:10:32,960
 of there where it's supposed to be no one really exactly knows but I assume you've studied

2120
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:37,840
 this site to understand the best flow of traffic not only for your parishioners but obviously

2121
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:42,900
 taking the neighborhood into consideration as well yeah because I think your traffic

2122
02:10:42,900 --> 02:10:47,800
 engineer kind of alluded to when he gave his testimony that we're concerned about the geometry

2123
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:53,640
 of the intersection no one wants to have a t inner a t driveway especially when that

2124
02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:59,800
 potentially has high value going mid-block so we'd much rather have it at the intersection

2125
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:05,680
 to allow free flow of traffic and stuff that that's why that was done and it was moved

2126
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:13,600
 north just because it allows more internal sacking as I mentioned to to allow us to

2127
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:20,800
 internalize the stacking on our property instead of trying to do it someplace else okay understood

2128
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:29,240
 great thank you anything else okay thank you thank you commissioner Smith I'm gonna make

2129
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:34,200
 a motion before I say so I think that just to say thank you to those that came out and

2130
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:40,040
 spoke tonight greatly appreciate it I think that it was heard by myself and the commissioners

2131
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:48,400
 that safety was a key issue that was raised and because of the the right of the already

2132
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:53,080
 billed by right approval of that driveway that's there and the city staff and traffic

2133
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:57,800
 engineers taking taking obviously safety always into consideration the move to having it a

2134
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:04,920
 line there at Cedarhurst makes the most amount of sense for safety purposes and so if it's

2135
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:10,980
 a already can be built there then what's the safest way for it to exist in my mind and

2136
02:12:10,980 --> 02:12:15,400
 to the point of increased seats and that's really what the the three factors of this item

2137
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:20,440
 in front of us is the realignment of the already approved driveway then the increased seats

2138
02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:25,580
 as well as the increased parking I think that's it's certainly something that could have been

2139
02:12:25,580 --> 02:12:30,600
 envisioned maybe a little bit before but it was 10 11 years ago and you know it's it's

2140
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:35,600
 hard to make three-year projections in today's climate as it is to make 11-year projections

2141
02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:40,320
 and so and with that being said due to the nature of this being a planned development

2142
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:47,400
 a PD if this was not a PD and it was just a straight zoning case because of the land

2143
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:53,400
 use the amount of space that this property takes up now on the piece of property this

2144
02:12:53,400 --> 02:13:00,720
 realignment this this the amount of parking spots and the amount of seats in the building

2145
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:04,640
 increase wouldn't even be up for consideration and discussion it would have been able to

2146
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:10,520
 be done without anything in a public forum and so the nature of it being planned development

2147
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:14,480
 makes it to where we have this which I think is good discussion that we had tonight but

2148
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:18,820
 I think also leans into the fact that there isn't anything that would restrict it from

2149
02:13:18,820 --> 02:13:23,720
 a DDC requirement standpoint that if this wasn't a PD this property would be able to

2150
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:30,240
 do this as it is and so and I also like to thank the church for stepping in to take in

2151
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:36,120
 some encouragement that I was going to give in this conversation here that you know nothing

2152
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:41,440
 in the purview this commission says hey you know we would like to review this PDA and

2153
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:47,240
 think that it would be an approval or put it up for approval in a vote but we would

2154
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:51,920
 make a requirement to have an officer make a requirement to close it for certain days

2155
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:55,720
 only could encourage and so thank you for stepping up before we even got to that point

2156
02:13:55,720 --> 02:14:00,160
 to say to do it and if you want to look at it one way if you get you know more seats

2157
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:03,880
 and more parking spots you have more parishioners and more tithing and you can afford your officers

2158
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:09,560
 so that's that's one way to look at it so what that said again thank you to those from

2159
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:13,840
 the community that came out I know it's not maybe what you envision when you when you

2160
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:18,640
 purchased your home and that you were not there whenever this came through and this

2161
02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:23,760
 this PD was originally approved but it does seem like it is the the best case scenario

2162
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:28,040
 for this to be approved and so therefore I make the motion to approve thank you Commissioner

2163
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:35,920
 Smith did you want to speak before let's find out what are you seconding okay very good

2164
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:39,760
 Commissioner Villarreal I wasn't seeing it on there I would like to second and second

2165
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:43,240
 a lot of the comments made by Vice Chair Smith I really do appreciate the community coming

2166
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:47,960
 out and having a real positive dialogue you don't always see that so thank you all for

2167
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:52,840
 coming out and speaking in favor or opposition to this and thank you to the church for you

2168
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:56,720
 know being proactive and taking some of those considerations you know right here from the

2169
02:14:56,720 --> 02:15:00,880
 dais and taking that to heart we really do appreciate you all being an active member

2170
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:05,600
 of the community so with that I'm gonna second the approval request thank you we've got a

2171
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:10,760
 first and a second for approval we'll open for discussion and I know I've got a question

2172
02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:16,920
 for Julie Commissioner if you have a question go ahead okay thank you Julie is there anything

2173
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:20,280
 that we can do I know you mentioned there's not a whole lot we can do about requiring

2174
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:24,800
 your officer there's not we can't really do that with this is there anything that we can

2175
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:34,680
 do about adding the gate issue to this I'm looking to Tina she might be better regarding

2176
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:41,400
 the gate we could have the applicant modify their plan to reflect gate obviously we want

2177
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:48,880
 to look at the location to make sure that that it's put in the right place and try not

2178
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:54,080
 to create any additional issues out onto Carnegie as we've as we've heard this evening you know

2179
02:15:54,080 --> 02:16:01,080
 in terms of the operational aspects we could include language within the plan development

2180
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:09,080
 district regarding it being closed I'll be honest with you that's not my preferred thing

2181
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:14,000
 just from because it becomes challenging from an enforcement but I mean technically is it

2182
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:19,480
 something that we could put in there yes I know we have some older PDs that we have similar

2183
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:27,560
 type language that might have been added and if the if the church ever wanted to have the

2184
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:35,880
 ability to have that gate open Monday through Friday when they had a peak time service then

2185
02:16:35,880 --> 02:16:39,240
 technically they would be in violation of their ordinance in order to be able to have

2186
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:46,000
 that gate open so hence why I would hope that we could rely on the church to be good faith

2187
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:51,880
 neighbors no pun intended but but good good effort there by the church to respect that

2188
02:16:51,880 --> 02:16:57,600
 commitment without us having to codify language in the PD well I just had to ask because you

2189
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:02,440
 know we've had discussion before in a myriad of thing over the years that I've been sitting

2190
02:17:02,440 --> 02:17:07,920
 here and and you know if it's not something that we can put down I mean it's something

2191
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:13,520
 like oh well we discussed that in City Hall but oh it's not written anywhere so it's it

2192
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:17,960
 doesn't matter if it's done or not done so but I understand what you're saying that there's

2193
02:17:17,960 --> 02:17:23,520
 not necessarily a good way for us to be able to enforce it one of the things we will need

2194
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,840
 to confirm and I don't know Julie if you know this off the top of your head is that a fire

2195
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:36,320
 lane we double check with fire department because if if that is a fire lane system that is looping

2196
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:43,920
 through the site then we would need to work with our fire department fire marshal's office

2197
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:48,320
 in particular regarding how we can allow for that gate there may be some mechanisms that

2198
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:53,300
 we can be able to work with the church on having installed in the event that they needed

2199
02:17:53,300 --> 02:17:59,920
 to respond to the site and use that but we've worked with developers on other projects and

2200
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:02,960
 I know there's some mechanisms out there but I think that's something that we could also

2201
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:08,640
 work with the church on between now and when this request goes to City Council and then

2202
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:14,760
 another question would be signage you know there's probably no ideal signage though I

2203
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:19,520
 mean except for sure with those closed streets I think that is absolutely something that

2204
02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:25,320
 needs to be done by a thousand percent whether the church was here or not that's a great

2205
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:31,960
 idea to have that signage and I guess there's no ideal way to put a sign on the church property

2206
02:18:31,960 --> 02:18:34,600
 because you can't very well say everybody has to turn right because what if they live

2207
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:39,040
 in the neighborhood they need to go left so I know that's not ideal either so I guess

2208
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:45,520
 to I guess paraphrase what Commissioner Smith was saying I would encourage you to continue

2209
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:51,080
 to educate your parishioners on all of the concerns that you heard here tonight which

2210
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:58,840
 are all valid I don't you know I think this is probably the best case scenario with with

2211
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:03,240
 what we're dealing with here of course in 2012 nobody knew that all these beautiful

2212
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:08,880
 homes would be built all around this beautiful church so I think everybody's working the

2213
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:15,360
 best they can to figure out the best way to be able to control the flow of traffic so

2214
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:19,320
 it does seem that the city is limited in some of these things that we can at least codify

2215
02:19:19,320 --> 02:19:27,120
 and enforce but I would certainly encourage you to continue remembering this and educating

2216
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:32,920
 all of your parishioners they are to be respectful of the neighborhood that they're a part of

2217
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:39,340
 and I know Commissioner Pruitt had some thoughts thank you chair I appreciate the the attention

2218
02:19:39,340 --> 02:19:47,600
 to detail there I and I want to echo the statements of of this being the most agreeable group

2219
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:53,120
 of concerned people that we've seen here at least in my time on the Commission so thank

2220
02:19:53,120 --> 02:20:01,460
 you and and I really mean that right I understand that we've designed these neighborhoods such

2221
02:20:01,460 --> 02:20:09,320
 that you you have one way out right most of the homes in this community have you know

2222
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:16,000
 are on a long cul-de-sac they have one road to get out of their neighborhood that that

2223
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:23,880
 puts people in a position where they feel very vulnerable when there's uncertainty and

2224
02:20:23,880 --> 02:20:31,240
 concern about the convenience but also the safety and the livelihood of of their family

2225
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:40,300
 I understand that right I I was mentally preparing something that I will not go on at length

2226
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:45,780
 about if you've seen me before you will be glad but suffice it to say that my my view

2227
02:20:45,780 --> 02:20:53,160
 on that is that we ever since 1938 when the Department of Housing and Urban Development

2228
02:20:53,160 --> 02:21:01,600
 decided to start subsidizing mortgages there was a report that they released that recommended

2229
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:08,840
 a number of things intended to unify the value and income levels of neighborhoods in order

2230
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:15,800
 to keep undesirables and people who might be renting out and that eventually led to

2231
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:21,160
 the subdivision design that we have today where there's a lack of connectivity and a

2232
02:21:21,160 --> 02:21:31,640
 lack of ways that people can get out so I hope we continue a trend toward reversing

2233
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:36,200
 those wrongs but when we build buildings and we build roads they're here for 40 to 400

2234
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:45,280
 years and so I'm sorry I wasn't here 15 years ago when this this division got got

2235
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:57,640
 planted I will say that while while I I understand the the desire to ensure that a gate be present

2236
02:21:57,640 --> 02:22:05,640
 or that it be closed at certain times that is not something I could support being attached

2237
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:12,160
 to the PDS is I would I would rather see that off we have a wonderful group of people here

2238
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:20,620
 everybody's on the same page we are here in in some ways because the people who are going

2239
02:22:20,620 --> 02:22:32,200
 to live in these homes 15 years 25 years from now sorry we are here because 10 years ago

2240
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:36,200
 these people weren't living in these homes and you can imagine a situation similarly

2241
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:44,240
 in one or two decades from now where the the inclusion or lack of a gate who's to say I

2242
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:50,220
 am not smart enough to know that a particular schedule for a gate in 15 years is the best

2243
02:22:50,220 --> 02:22:56,280
 thing for the neighborhood and I think just from principles of subsidiarity and and other

2244
02:22:56,280 --> 02:23:02,560
 reasons I prefer that this community to continue working together as well as they have shown

2245
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:09,480
 that they are so thank you okay that we've got a first and a second for approval I will

2246
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:14,640
 just thank everyone again for sharing their thoughts and opinions and for coming out and

2247
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:20,360
 reaching us online and and for the petition and all of that I mean staying involved and

2248
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:26,900
 having a voice is is absolutely imperative to working together as a community which you

2249
02:23:26,900 --> 02:23:31,560
 are all one community so thank you very much with that we're going to go ahead and take

2250
02:23:31,560 --> 02:23:36,560
 a roll call vote because that's what we've been doing all evening so Commissioner Pruitt

2251
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:44,480
 I Commissioner Smith I Commissioner Villarreal I and the chair is also an I that will pass

2252
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:55,320
 for zero and that will move on to City Council for final approval on January 9th it'll be

2253
02:23:55,320 --> 02:24:02,800
 a public hearing in City Council they will have final action on this so thank you very

2254
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:07,200
 much we do have one more item but I'm going to go ahead and take a recess because I'm

2255
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:12,120
 sure you all are ready to go home so we're in a recess at 843 and as soon as the room

2256
02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:26,720
 clears we will reconvene good evening and I will call us back to order at eight for not

2257
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:33,620
 forty eight forty nine p.m. after that short recess appreciate it we've got one item left

2258
02:24:33,620 --> 02:24:38,280
 and it is our planning and zoning Commission matrix and I will give it to Tina sure thing

2259
02:24:38,280 --> 02:24:44,600
 so a couple of items for this evening so in reviewing the matrix I believe we can satisfactorily

2260
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:49,080
 address the legal opinion regarding the enforceability of the DDC's general and plat specific criteria

2261
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:57,160
 for approval so we'll take that one off the list and as we so yes we can we can take that

2262
02:24:57,160 --> 02:25:03,760
 one off the list otherwise I believe we refined some of the dates on the matrix which we've

2263
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:07,160
 been trying to make sure we keep this updated as as we've had to reschedule I think one

2264
02:25:07,160 --> 02:25:12,420
 of the items that may have had a date update was with respect to the land use decisions

2265
02:25:12,420 --> 02:25:16,720
 on debt and sustainability goals on the second item on there so I think that we made an update

2266
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:23,520
 there otherwise the matrix pretty much remains intact from that perspective so since your

2267
02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:26,520
 last meeting we've had a couple of council meetings so I was just going to go through

2268
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:30,920
 my past meeting agendas just to let you know the outcome so this was from the Tuesday December

2269
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:38,600
 5th meeting.

2270
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:47,000
 So that evening we had so we had the reconsideration request associated with the specific use permit

2271
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:54,480
 for the multifamily development at the southwest corner of Stewart and loop 28 so that was

2272
02:25:54,480 --> 02:26:03,000
 approved by council with a vote of four to two and so and then we also had a rezoning

2273
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:08,040
 from a plan development district to suburban quarter district this was the the one acre

2274
02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:13,520
 our one point zero nine acre out parcel if you will in an area that otherwise the rest

2275
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:19,440
 of the PD had been developed this was Sean's case if you recall and that was they were

2276
02:26:19,440 --> 02:26:25,880
 seeking just a reason that to straight suburban quarter and so that was approved by council

2277
02:26:25,880 --> 02:26:35,200
 also on that same agenda we had a so we had amendments okay this was the privacy I'm sorry

2278
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:39,320
 like reading through the entire cap so we had the zoning amendment related to the private

2279
02:26:39,320 --> 02:26:47,160
 cemeteries and so that ended up being approved six zero word of note on that one following

2280
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:52,880
 the planning and zoning commission's agenda I know commissioner LSU were still here but

2281
02:26:52,880 --> 02:27:01,760
 rose lawn cemetery there was representatives there and given their business model in how

2282
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:05,560
 with their perpetual care cemetery and they had expressed some concern and so we made

2283
02:27:05,560 --> 02:27:11,360
 one one or two refinements to the ordinance to be able to define cemetery elements so

2284
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:17,280
 that way it allows for existing cemeteries to be able to continue operating consistent

2285
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:23,400
 with the state statute in terms of cemetery type or cemetery elements that would not trigger

2286
02:27:23,400 --> 02:27:28,680
 the specific use permit so if you recall we were making them conforming by acknowledging

2287
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:35,360
 their existence and but if they ever wanted to expand it would trigger the specific use

2288
02:27:35,360 --> 02:27:40,320
 permit requirement so there was some concern regarding you know items that are typically

2289
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:45,520
 customary on cemeteries and being able to provide for those elements without necessarily

2290
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:50,000
 triggering the specific use permit so we felt like that was a minor change to the ordinance

2291
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:53,480
 nothing significant that would have required that bring brought back to the planning and

2292
02:27:53,480 --> 02:27:59,360
 zoning commission so but just wanted to share that with you we also had another zoning change

2293
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:04,280
 request that evening on the agenda to rezone property from general office to a mixed use

2294
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:10,520
 regional 19 and a half acres of land this is at the northwest corner Spencer and in

2295
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:15,000
 Bridges Street this was Julie's case this was one that we knew that we would need to

2296
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:21,800
 come back and do when we did all of the updates earlier this year with our reasonable reasonable

2297
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:26,920
 combinations group homes community homes at all we knew that we were making this property

2298
02:28:26,920 --> 02:28:31,840
 non-conforming as a result of those changes and so we initiated a zoning change so that

2299
02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:37,840
 we could get them back into a conforming status so that was also approved by City Council

2300
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:45,720
 in addition so then on the Tuesday December 12th agenda we had one item on that agenda

2301
02:28:45,720 --> 02:28:52,680
 and that I wanted to bring to your attention it is an annexation request for about roughly

2302
02:28:52,680 --> 02:28:59,440
 7.25 acres located about 200 feet north of McKinney Street and about 1,100 feet east

2303
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:04,880
 of Trinity Road we anticipate we'll be receiving a future zoning case on that so that that

2304
02:29:04,880 --> 02:29:11,640
 annexation was actually complete last night council did approve that and so they are anticipating

2305
02:29:11,640 --> 02:29:15,280
 developing that property for townhomes and we'll need a zoning change in order to be

2306
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:18,960
 able to establish a permanent zoning classification on that property so I would anticipate that

2307
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:24,240
 coming forth also on the agenda wanted our last night's agenda just wanted to bring to

2308
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:30,560
 your attention so in case you were reviewing these in light of changes in the state statute

2309
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:36,580
 earlier this year coming out the 88th legislative session as you are aware of from past conversations

2310
02:29:36,580 --> 02:29:40,560
 that we've had with legislative updates there was a bill that was passed that allows for

2311
02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:46,480
 property owners within the ETJ to petition to remove themselves within the ETJ and so

2312
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:52,800
 we had 12 items on council's agenda last night on the consent agenda those items were recommended

2313
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:58,960
 for denial and council did deny those those requests part of that is due to the city being

2314
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:07,360
 involved in a lawsuit with other communities so hence our action on that but otherwise

2315
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:11,740
 that is that takes care of all the action that we've had on council's agenda since we

2316
02:30:11,740 --> 02:30:15,960
 last met so happy to answer any questions you may have great thank you questions or

2317
02:30:15,960 --> 02:30:28,000
 additions to the matrix real quick just if possible could we have the number of times

2318
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:33,320
 something's already been reconsidered listed for those items of individual consideration

2319
02:30:33,320 --> 02:30:38,160
 for any reconsideration requests coming before us would that be possible sure thing is there

2320
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:42,040
 a particular time frame that you're wanting me to look back towards like no I mean I mean

2321
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:47,160
 going forward Oh being advised if something's been approved for reconsideration so that

2322
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:52,360
 you're aware of right and how many times because I know that the rules been changed and they

2323
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:55,960
 can apply for reconsideration as many times are you talking about um extension request

2324
02:30:55,960 --> 02:31:03,160
 extension yeah I'm sorry I'm tired yeah that's exactly what I meant I apologize yes extension

2325
02:31:03,160 --> 02:31:06,800
 request so maybe having that part of the backup you mean exactly just saying that this is

2326
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:11,600
 the second request or the third or what have you right okay yes we can we can include that

2327
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:16,880
 in the backup apologies for the confusion that's all right uh Commissioner Smith something

2328
02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:24,080
 that was brought up in that last that last the uh the uh public hearing case we had what

2329
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:30,480
 is our regulation on development uh initiated parks and pools and amenities like that for

2330
02:31:30,480 --> 02:31:35,080
 parking uh I think there was an offhanded comment that just got me thinking about the

2331
02:31:35,080 --> 02:31:40,060
 fact that that park that's there that's in that development that we saw isn't a city

2332
02:31:40,060 --> 02:31:46,520
 of Denton Park um and neither is the pool obviously uh what is our requirements from

2333
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:53,680
 a development code standpoint for requiring parking for neighborhood amenities and something

2334
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:58,000
 like this while small and I know it's not big this doesn't have to be a true blue work

2335
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,960
 session piece but do we have something in the development code for parking for neighborhood

2336
02:32:01,960 --> 02:32:06,200
 amenities what is that amount what triggers that that's something that I've never we've

2337
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:10,140
 never seen never had to see but I could see something like in that neighborhood specifically

2338
02:32:10,140 --> 02:32:13,880
 a park that's along a main thoroughfare one of the two main thoroughfares get in and out

2339
02:32:13,880 --> 02:32:18,840
 of that neighborhood that has no parking therefore it's forcing people to park on a thirty three

2340
02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:25,120
 and a quarter wide street which seems unsafe of us as a city from not having some sort

2341
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:29,320
 of standard like that in our development code tell you what um since we're not posted for

2342
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:33,520
 it I'd be more than happy to bring that back and and we could do I mean I think we could

2343
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:36,440
 do just a quick work session briefing for you that's what we're talking about in the matrix

2344
02:32:36,440 --> 02:32:40,880
 Tina that's right so absolutely but yeah we could bring that back and I think that might

2345
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:44,560
 be something that we could probably put on your agenda um sooner than later I think that

2346
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 would be a quick education and we can talk about also how we work with the development

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 community on where they cite those um because um as part of our review we try to take that

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 in consideration in influencing that I can't speak to the past but I know we've had some

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 conversations here on some other projects more recently so we can address that as part

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 of that conversation great anything else for the matrix any concluding items okay um well

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 I will just say uh welcome again to Commissioner Thaggard thank you for volunteering your time

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 with us um and I will say happy holidays to everybody because we will not meet again until

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 the new year so hope everyone enjoys everything this season has to offer and with that I thank

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 everyone for their time and we'll adjourn at 8 58 p.m.